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211 - Krampus (2015)
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“Honey, I just got my ass kicked by a bunch of Christmas cookies, so trust me when I say I can take it!”
Guten Krampusnacht, friends! Today’s the day we celebrate St. Nicholas and his “dark shadow,” the Krampus… so we’ve elected to discuss this 2015 holiday horror comedy! Along the way, we’ll discuss Tucker’s frustrations with his vape cartridge, Stephen’s initial thoughts on a thematically appropriate beer selection, how to become a foley artist, and debate whether or not it’s okay to laugh at characters like Howard and Linda after the 2024 election! TRIGGER WARNING: This one gets a bit political!
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Transcript
Introduction to the Disenfranchised Podcast
00:00:21
Speaker
A franchise right below will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams. Guten Krampuschnacht everyone, and welcome to the disenfranchised podcast, where that podcast all about those franchises have won those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me today, as always, he wasn't sure if he was gonna make it through this movie, but after getting his ass kicked by a bunch of Christmas cookies, he trusted himself that he could take it. It's Tucker, hey Tucker!
00:00:57
Speaker
Hello, Steven. How are you doing? I am well, sir. Thank you for asking, sir. That's great. How about yourself?
Tucker's Marijuana Cartridge Misadventures
00:01:07
Speaker
Well, let me tell you, um, this may seem a little, a little nitpicky, but you see, I like to, um, smoke the devil's lettuce. Oh, a thing that is legal in New Hampshire where you reside.
00:01:24
Speaker
No, actually, it's not. Oh, it's legal in Maine, and I live 10 minutes from Maine, so fuck off, whatever. So as you can see, this cartridge that I have that cartridge in the pear tree there. Yep. There you go. You see how it's about a third of the way full? Mm hmm. Look at all that sweet, sweet ah marijuana vapor right there. Just vape juice right there encased in this little glass cartridge. Well, this cartridge does not like to work.
00:01:55
Speaker
And over the last two days, I've had some frustrating moments with it. Um, and I'm not sure what's going on with it, but what worked last night was to take this little device, which is, um, as you can see, yeah you'll recognize it as a a SIM card thingy for a cell phone. You put it in the little hole and the compartment comes out. Correct. It's the perfect size for these contacts.
00:02:23
Speaker
And so I clean those out and try it again and it it usually works, but it's very frustrating. Very, very frustrating. um And the reason I bring it up is because since I cleaned it out last night, both ends, the cartridge and the battery, um it's worked fine since last night. And then as soon as we started this podcast and I heated it enough heed it up enough to where it had unclogged itself.
00:02:53
Speaker
It is decided not to work again. That is frustrating. And the second frustrating thing is I forgot last night that I can't just clean this little thing with my fingers because it's all so sticky. I need a tissue to help me out. Do you need to take a pause for the cause and grab a tissue? Well, I don't need to pause because I'm sure, you know, I'm sure you can hear me from all the way over here.
Foley Art and Voiceover Observations
00:03:21
Speaker
And I'm back. You heard me, right? Just a master of Foley work there. Yes, we did. I really am. Here you just receding into the background there. How does how does one become a Foley artist? Because I've always wanted to, but I guess it seems like it's just something that you probably just there's probably a lot of people who are Foley artists who would have at least a few interesting chapters of a memoir for sure. Because like, well, I was just walking down the street and I bumped into this guy and And, uh, and then the story would just go from there because I don't like, do you, can you go to school for that? I don't think you can, um like you like audio production or whatever. Sure. For like the recording and all that, but like.
00:04:05
Speaker
figuring out what noise makes a good noise, a substitution noise for like this thing or that thing. According to ScreenSkills.com, there are no set routes to becoming a Foley artist, but many people work their way up from being runners in a post-production or audio post-production house. A background in sound recording is useful. And you have that. A little bit, yeah. I don't know, I've always kind of wanted to do that,
00:04:34
Speaker
I've always I wondered I used to be on this um one of those ah gig websites for like artists and stuff. Mm hmm. And there was always stuff for like voiceover and shit. And like the qualification seems to be really low. And it's like how voice will travel. Yeah. But then. I realized how all of these people who have no talent or no experience are getting all this voice work.
00:05:04
Speaker
because I have a toddler who watches YouTube. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And there there's a lot of toddler brain rot. Oh, yeah. That comes from specifically from the Ukraine, which is weird. I don't know why it specifically comes from there. But some of them do talking about Masha and the Bear. Oh, no, I like Masha and the Bear. That's not brain rot. That's that's quality children's television. This is.
00:05:30
Speaker
like absolute fucking brain. You can't even imagine this shit. But anyway, some of them don't speak English or their accents are too thick, so they hire voiceover artists to do the voiceover. And it is it's all really terrible. They paid the least amount of money for it, I'm sure. Oh, I'm sure. Well, look at that. and I clean both contacts and it works. Let it go.
00:05:55
Speaker
i don't I mean, and while while you are prone to smoking, while marijuana is legal in Illinois, where I live, I have opted for a different drug of choice today because we are covering a film tonight. Are we? We know that is a thing that according to the intro, that is a thing that we do. um But I have a a relevant beverage for tonight's recording topic. What movie are we covering tonight before I reveal my beverage to
Exploring Krampus: The Film and Legend
00:06:23
Speaker
the world? We are watching the Krampus. The movie's not called the Krampus, but it's called Krampus, but I'm saying it's the Krampus because it is the it is the big, well, not big budget, but modestly budgeted Hollywood backed by an actual studio and names that you've heard of movie about the Krampus. Correct. Because the Krampus is a public domain figure, so anyone can make a movie about the Krampus.
00:06:50
Speaker
Look, don't ask your grandma for Krampus on Blu-ray, because who knows what the fuck you're going to do? She's going to pick up the first thing to say, Krampus, and boy, that's a crapshoot. I tell you what. You're going to have a bad time. um But no, we are talking about the 2015 film Krampus.
00:07:06
Speaker
Directed by Michael Daugherty, and written by Todd Casey, Michael Daugherty, and jat zak excuse me Zach Shields, and starring MJ Anthony, Adam Scott, Tony Collette, Dave Keckner, Alison Tolman, Conchata Farrell, the late, great Conchata Farrell, Stefania LaVie-Owen, Krista Stadler,
00:07:29
Speaker
And many, many others, including some vocal cameos by the likes of ah Seth Green, ah Gideon Emory as the Krampus, and ah Justin Roiland. Very cancelled person, Justin Roiland. Which I didn't even...
00:07:46
Speaker
pick up on like I knew they were in it and pick up on it because I couldn't understand anything that any of the little minion guys were saying. And it it was all during scenes where people were shouting and stuff and they had pitched their voices up so high, they could have gotten anybody and I wouldn't have given a fuck. I didn't matter. ah Breen Burns from invaders in as well. Wasted, wasted every single one of those voice actors. waste um But because of that, I spent a amount of money that I do not feel comfortable disclosing on a podcast to purchase this Tucker. It's it's a crampus.
00:08:24
Speaker
beer It's called, it's ah from Old Irving Brewery here in Chicago. It is a barrel-aged imperial stout with vanilla and cacao nibs called Krampus Cookies. It is their 2004 edition, they do a different version every year, and so I have elected to purchase two cans of this rather pricey beverage.
00:08:48
Speaker
one
00:08:51
Speaker
There we go. To enjoy on this podcast recording and the other to enjoy on Krampus Knocked itself. So chances are very good that if you are listening to this podcast on the day it releases in the evening, then you may be listening to it at the exact time I'm enjoying my second Krampus Cookies beer. So wait, is that a stout? It looks real thick. It is an imperial stout. Yes, sir. It looks real, real thick. It is hella thick. I'm going to do like it.
00:09:17
Speaker
like but little little bit into the glass. It kind of kind of kind of glug out there. Not much of a head on this thing. I would say it glorped. It's sort of glorped into the glass. Is it good? Oh, basic is it sweet? It's very tasty, very sweet, but also very sharp. Oh. ah Because it it is an imperial stout, so you've got some of those hoppy notes, too. But you can taste you can taste the barrel aged for it, and it does have kind of a kind of a Christmas cookie kind of taste to it. Like it's, it's very, very tasty, very chocolatey. ah Just a hint of vanilla running through to kind of lighten it up a little bit. That is a damn good beer. It is also and just for the record, 15% alcohol by volume. Oh, boy. So anybody drink that slow, I can't have you slur and like halfway through. That's a sipper.
00:10:13
Speaker
So I need like another beer to sort of like drink in between sips of that. I do. I do have my water bottle here. Like a
Debates on Showtime Subscriptions and Dexter
00:10:22
Speaker
regular ass beer. Like get yourself a like a straight up high life or something to drink. and ah ah Well, it when in when in Rome, we drink old style. So, yeah. Well, obviously, obviously. But I don't have one of those on my person, I'm afraid.
00:10:37
Speaker
Oh, that's too bad. But that is that is my drink of choice for 2015's Krampus. Now, this is a film that I watched last year around this time for The Pot and the Pendulum. ah We did they did a Christmas episode on this movie last year, and I covered it with them there. ah This will be a different discussion, obviously, because I'll be talking about um things relevant to this podcast versus things relevant to that one. If you do want to listen to that discussion, though, I did do a huge old deep dive into the lore and history of Krampus. I'll probably get into some of that during this record, but that would touch on it. Sure. Yeah. But that would be a good companion piece to this episode with friend of the show, Rachel Reeves on that episode. So it was a good time. Now, was that your was that your first time watching it?
00:11:25
Speaker
That was my first time watching this movie. um I had not seen it before then, but I i think this is a fun little little Christmas movie, spoilers. I had a good time watching this one when I watched it initially. ah Tucker, what is your history with this film? What is your history with Krampus Lore in general? And what did, yeah, initial impressions, first thoughts? I have no history with the Krampus Lores.
00:11:51
Speaker
um trick or treat was a big hit in the horror community. And that was a big deal around the time I was frequenting conventions. So I've seen that and I'm familiar with that quite a bit. So um when this came out, I wasn't able to see it at the movie theaters, but I was excited to see it because of trick or treat. And and I went ahead and bought it on Blu-ray. Yeah.
00:12:21
Speaker
You did. About like damn near 10 years ago, I bought this motorbike around for the right. Just waiting for this episode to release. And can I tell you something? I had never watched it until today. Yeah. Not once had I ever looked at it. So that of like l so you're coming into this one hella fresh. Very fresh, but I did watch it twice today. So you did. You watched it once with the commentary and once without.
00:12:47
Speaker
I did. And I'll tell you, I'm, I'm pretty disappointed that I didn't watch it sooner because I think I would have liked it a lot, lot more because this is a fantastic movie. Like do not get me wrong, but some of the things just don't hit the same now as they would have when it came out.
00:13:07
Speaker
There's a bit of the experience. for Yeah, there are certainly elements of this film that do not age particularly well. And I have a feeling we're going to talk about them as we get into this. So and we have to, you know, like 15 minutes into it, I was ready to quit. You were you were about ready to tap out glad that I didn't. So am I, because then I'd be talking about this movie by myself. And I don't want that.
00:13:33
Speaker
We did, we did have a guest that needed to pull out today due to scheduling conflicts, which was a bummer, but nevertheless, we persist. Indeed. And yeah, we watched, we watched Krampus, a dark comedy. We watched a Krampus. We watched a Krampus. Some people bought a zoo, we watched a Krampus.
00:13:54
Speaker
exactly what I was thinking. It's kind of hard with that with that title structure. um Yeah, this one. um Yeah, I had a lot of fun with this one. I really do enjoy this film. I really like the cast, um especially for the time that it came out and sort of now because like I've always liked Adam Scott and Tony Collette and everything. And and ah David, I can never pronounce his last name from Run Ronnie Run and Saturday Night Live. Kekner. There you go.
00:14:23
Speaker
ah But ah Alison Talman was just coming off season one of Fargo. Right. Which was a big fucking deal for me. Yeah. Like I normally like every time I think of her, like I have to look up her actual name because um all I can think to call her is her character's name from Fargo. I mean, fair. Yeah. Also, um that gal that plays the older sister whose sister plays one of the cousins.
00:14:57
Speaker
Wait, is that? Oh, oh, my gosh. OK, yeah. Owen
Tony Collette: Modern Scream Queen
00:15:02
Speaker
and her sister Lolo plays ah one of the cousins. Oh, that's really funny. I didn't realize that. That's hilarious. She was in um that Netflix series. ah What was it called with the the kid with the deer antlers? Sweet Tooth. so Sweet Tooth. Yeah, there you go.
00:15:20
Speaker
And I initially watched that because Will Forte was in it and he was gives a fantastic dramatic performance in that show. Holy crap. Nice. And then, like, I really liked the first season, but I got about halfway through the first episode of the second season. and I was like, oh, wow, I just really don't care. And then I stopped watching. Yeah, I i couldn't get into Sweet Tooth. i I think I started watching it and then got distracted and was like, I'm OK. I don't I don't need this I don't need to. I'm good. This gal.
00:15:50
Speaker
um makes me uneasy because she is the exact doppelganger of some someone that I dated when I was younger. um Like exactly. Oh my. Exactly that same person. And it's just, it's weird. It's hard. I'm kind of glad they got rid of her early in this movie because it's distracting because all I can think of is like,
00:16:15
Speaker
all these times in the past, which, you know, I'm not a guy who's like, oh, nostalgia, let's talk about the past. Right. Because I'm one of those people who's like, yeah, nostalgia is the opiate of the boring. Exactly. Et cetera, et cetera. Right. But and it's very distracting. Like, it was very distracting and sweet, too. Yeah. Because I'm like, oh, maybe I should call her. No, you know, like the whole time.
00:16:41
Speaker
No wonder you had to tap out of that show. Very weird. Yeah. um But there was somebody else in this film that I wanted to mention. Oh, yeah. Yeah. MJ Anthony, the kid that plays the main kid. Yes. and Yeah. Let's talk about him for a little bit for sure. I know him from a show I very recently watched called Hysteria um Peacock, which is a really weird fun little show that I don't really know how to describe. But Bruce Campbell's in it. so Oh, right. I've heard of this show. I i do need to watch the show. I think I would enjoy this show. And that girl from that other movies in it too, but I can't remember what the other movie was.
00:17:27
Speaker
But yeah, it's a really good movie, a really good show. I really enjoyed it. I actually just suggested it to my roommate and she's watching it right now. Oh, nice. See, now I know this um actor from his role in the 2014 film Chef.
00:17:41
Speaker
the Jon Favreau movie. Oh, with Jon Favreau. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He plays the Jon Favreau son in that movie and is really good. He's very good. Yeah. He goodness. That movie is really good, but that whole movie is just like Jon Favreau has got a huge chip on his shoulder because people didn't like Cowboys and aliens. Like that is what that movie is about. Like that movie is a 4K of Cowboys and aliens. So Jon Favreau should be happy that there's enough people who like it, I guess, or it's recent enough to get a 4K, I guess. Yeah, I guess he's he's one of those like that movie comes out kind of bomb. We'll talk about it when we whenever we eventually cover Cowboys and Aliens because it's going to happen. It's just aggressively mediocre, that movie. That's and that's the problem. But like he is.
00:18:28
Speaker
he plays the title chef and it's a chef who's kind of gotten in a rut. And he's just like got a chip on his shoulder about how upset he is that a critic gave him a bad review. And so he decides to reinvent himself and make a new kind of food like he gets a food truck and I starts taking it around the country and becomes inspired to cook again and his sons along for the ride with him and he he's dating Scarlett Johansson but then leaves Scarlett Johansson for Sofia Vergara.
00:18:59
Speaker
um So, I mean, it in the movies right it's one of those things where you're like, there are two directors that I know of that directed a film, cast themselves as the lead and then cast Scarlett Johansson as the main love interest. And it's chef and it's Don John, which is directed by your boy, Jogo. I own that still haven't watched it. itin I agree to.
00:19:24
Speaker
I don't know, but I've heard so many bad things. Yeah, though, that's and kind of so much same. Right. As a human, not even just as an actor, I really like him as a human being. Right. So like, I don't want to watch it and be like, oh, no, Joe, go. What? I'm so disappointed. I never saw a chef, though, because um chef i just I always wanted to. But I feel I think when it came out, I had just discovered and watched the movie Ten Inch Hero.
00:19:55
Speaker
Mm hmm. Which is another movie about a sandwich shop. um And I don't know, like the. I was like, well, I can't I was like, well, I can't watch too many sandwich movies. You know, there's a limit in its hero being notable because it's a really good little indie movie.
00:20:18
Speaker
And Supernatural's Jensen Ackles plays um a very against type part. something I always like to see, especially for people who have been doing a show for so long, who, you know, them is just like this one thing. And that's that's why I wanted to watch it. And that's why I really enjoyed it, because Jensen Ackles really kind of proves that he's not just fucking Dean Winchester. It also has to do the gravelly voice like he can do he has range.
00:20:45
Speaker
Claire Duvall from Lemmy's Check Here, everything. Dude, yeah, it's really good. It's really, really good. I recommend it to anybody. I don't remember what it's about. I just remember it was really. fucking Well, according to IMDB, an artist gets a job at a beachside sandwich shop where she hangs out with a techie, a flirt, a rocker, a hippie and a Wiccan. Oh, yeah, that sounds about right. That's like an empire records in a sandwich shop. Yeah, like a Gen X disaffected version of Mystic Pizza. Yeah, there you go.
Krampus' Cinematic Popularity
00:21:16
Speaker
I like that. Yours was better. Yeah, I like that. Oh, thank you. But, yeah, I'll go see it and I'll go see Shep at some point. You should. I think it's on Netflix, so it's like not a difficult movie to see. So one of those. I mean, what what movie? I mean, Teddy Chiro is on Fossum. ah That's apparently a streaming service setting that is. Yeah, I saw McDonald's streaming service. It's so bad. It's odd. I didn't even know McDonald's had a streaming service.
00:21:49
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. But Chef may not be on Netflix anymore. Let me let me check. That's too bad. Let me check with real good here real quick. I'm sure I have a look on there. I'm sure it wouldn't take too much. I see it everywhere, though. I feel like I've missed my shot now because I'm like, oh, I should watch it. But now it's just not anywhere. It is it is free with ads on Pluto TV.
00:22:15
Speaker
Oh, it's on Paramount. I'm looking at it right now. i'm not false for test dude Okay. Yeah. dude Oh, can I tell you, I feel like I've told you this before, but I would just want to like, I just want to tell you again, because it's such a cool thing. So like I never had Paramount plus, right? Right. But I had showtime. I had showtime because you know' yellow jackets, Dexter, twin peak dying up here twin peaks, the return,
00:22:40
Speaker
all that stuff. Um. Big fan of Showtime original series is as this is this is and a lot of those shows I'll rewatch. So I just I maintain a Showtime like for years since like you were Dexter, I've maintained a Showtime. Nice. And see, I fell off on Dexter after the fourth season. I watched through, I think, the seventh and then like right as the eighth season was starting. I was like, fuck this. No, I can't. Well, there's a lot. There's a lot in the latter seasons that is not good.
00:23:13
Speaker
Um, but I'm not somebody, um, when it's a, a main character focused series like that, or even a franchise stuff like Halloween, I'm not somebody who can just walk away from it. ive I gave myself after the lost, I gave myself permission to walk away from. Yeah. No, I, I, I get that. I get that for sure. But like with Dexter, I mean, it does suck for a good portion of the last half of it, but there's stuff in there that I.
00:23:44
Speaker
liked that, uh, the, the reboot series season. Uh, I liked that quite a bit because I had the last thing I saw of Dexter wasn't that shitty ending to the original series. Right. Which I heard was actually people complain about the ending of of new blood, but I thought it was quite fitting and I liked the way it ended.
00:24:06
Speaker
Aren't they doing like a young Dexter show now? Yes. And that's actually the opposite reason of why I liked how it ended, because I was like, okay, good. They can't make any more Dexter. This was fine. Right. They can't make any more. So that's great. But no, now they're doing a prequel, which I'll have to fucking watch. I hope it's good. um But anyway, I steady stay having a show time since it's been available. And when it folded into Paramount Plus.
00:24:31
Speaker
I got grandfathered into Paramount Plus. I did. I don't pay for Paramount Plus. I just pay for the Showtime add on and I get Paramount Plus. That's amazing. It's pretty rad. That is pretty rad, dude. And Paramount Plus has got some it's got all the Nickelodeon stuff on it, all the Viacom stuff, MTV stuff, like all that shit. Road Rules. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yes. Yes.
00:24:58
Speaker
That's ah that's like that Paramount Plus. I don't use it very much outside of Showtime, but damn it, I don't pay for it. So whatever. I see now for me, the big the the cast member that I was most excited for in this one is Conchata Farrell, the great. Oh, she tried everything, dude. She was in two and a half men for like yeah this is her like coming off of the end of two and a half men.
00:25:25
Speaker
Um, but she, she did that show for like over a decade. Uh, she was on that show the entire run. Uh, and then she was also, but before that she was in like LA law. She was in the aforementioned mystic pizza. Yeah. Um, funny how that works. Uh, she was in network, which I really, the first time I saw network, I was like, holy shit, is that Conchana Farrell?
00:25:49
Speaker
That's what got her casted in this movie is the director was like, like, I love network. And like, when we wrote this part, this is exactly who we wanted. And she is part perfect for it. um Recently passed away, passed away in 2020 during the pandemic at the age of 77. No idea. Yeah. But is ah you had complications following cardiac arrest?
00:26:16
Speaker
was 77 years old, but just just an incredible career that spanned basically from the 70s right up until she died. Like her last movie came out in 2020 after she passed. um So like just an incredibly ah versatile um player, but best known probably for just those kind of brassy, no-nonsense kind of broads, which um and Dorothy 100% is. And as soon as she walks through the door, you know exactly what character she's playing, you know exactly what she's here for. um And when she goes into the kitchen to make ah to teach the kids how to make peppermint schnapps, you know exactly that you you know those kids are getting drunk tonight. You know that's gonna happen.
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah, dude. And if if grandma weren't so worried about the Krampus, she she might have stopped it, but she was a little out of it at that point. That and that I mean, that that's kind of she's the the Ezekiel, I guess, is the the trope in this, like the the one that kind of, oh, watch out, because that is Krampus coming. ah And she and of course, no one listens because why on earth would anyone listen to a crazy old lady talking about a goat demon opposite of Santa?
00:27:32
Speaker
um But ah but yeah, murdered her parents apparently. five um i like there There are a couple different endings for this movie and there's a part of me that really kind of likes the one that ends on her voiceover talking about how she was left alive to like as ah as a cautionary tale about keeping the spirit of Christmas. and like it It's like everyone else is dead and it's just the kids standing there out by the snowmobile and you just kind of get this slow pan across the snow as she says that and then it kind of fades and then
00:28:08
Speaker
He like goes running after the Krampus or whatever. Like, I kind of like that ending. It feels a little cheap, but I still kind of dig it as just a very dark ending. We're going to talk about the ending of this movie as well. ah Which version of this film did you watch, Steven?
00:28:27
Speaker
because I watched the version that is on HBO Max. I probably watched the PG-13 cut as well because not a lot of fucks and a lot of fudges and people getting cut off before they can say fuck.
00:28:43
Speaker
Yes, and not a lot of violence that you see. Right. Either. And I think do you think that's something that holds this movie back? Is the PG-13 raining? OK, not at all, because it's not it. I like. Well. No, it doesn't. I think it fits it perfectly um because.
00:29:09
Speaker
It's ambiguous what happens right to to everyone. Except for the one gal that's gets, gets it. But even then you don't know what that means. Like, right I don't know. I, I think it's perfectly fine as a peachy 13 film. In fact, like if it were gorier than it is, I probably think that was forced. I think there is a naughty cut of it.
00:29:43
Speaker
from what I've heard, but I don't know what is involved with that. um But the director in the commentary said o that while ah he agrees that horror films being neutered huh to to get a PG-13 is not a rad thing, that this movie was never meant to be like an R rated movie. This was always supposed to be kind of kind of, kind of a little bit, kind of maybe a little bit of a family fill. Right. I mean, because depending on how you read the ending, even though they all get kind of taken down by the Krampus, they're all still together.
00:30:27
Speaker
Yeah, and they all mimby it too. And he's watching them like, don't jump all out of line again. Well, and see, that's and that's it because I have the other reading, the other popular reading of the the ending, which is that they're they're in a basically a Krampus-esque hell where they're like cursed to repeat Christmas over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Wait, which part of Christmas? Christmas morning, obviously. obvious like Oh, well, that's fine.
00:30:57
Speaker
What's wrong with that? It seems like they're all having a good time until they all remember what happened to him the night before. Right. And I think that's that's that's the hellish part is that, oh, we have to go through this remembering that we all died, that we all got, you know, fucked over. um And then we have to do it again and again and again. It's fun to be had and with time loops, though. I mean, ask Bill Murray. At some point, you probably want to just kill yourself, right? Well, yeah.
00:31:27
Speaker
Yeah, do palms brains Palm Palm Springs. Happy day to you and happy death day. Yeah. Yeah. Time loop movies are fun. I like those timet movies are usually fun. What was that one with Tom Cruise that we watched? We watched that. We haven't we haven't covered that one live. I am sure because we they they keep threatening us with a sequel and Tom Cruise is the guy that's crazy enough to get it made.
00:31:57
Speaker
And but lived, I repeat, I think is well, no, that's the name of the book. What's the name of the movie? Edge of tomorrow. There you go. Yeah. I knew I knew it would come to me recently played a time loop video game. Oh, that's fun. I didn't I didn't play it, actually. um So, you know how I was I. Yearly, I play all the Malinweight games and control and all that. I've spoken about that. You have.
00:32:26
Speaker
Well, the second Alan Wake game, not Alan Wake 2, but Alan Wake American Nightmare is a time loop game. Yeah, dude. Oh, spoiler. Sorry. Oops. So ah American Nightmares time loop game. I just recently purchased Alan Wake and Alan Wake American Nightmare ah for my PC so that I can play it at some point. And it's old enough that I'm sure ah your PC will play it.
00:32:54
Speaker
ah My PC is old enough that maybe it won't. Oh, ouch, ouch. It's like 2013 when this when those games came out. That might have been right around the time I purchased my PC, to be honest with you. ooof oh hey you Oof, oof, oof. Does it does the first game come with the DLC chapters as well? I don't know. I have not cracked it open yet.
00:33:21
Speaker
I actually it's it's funny that you bought that because I bought that exact same thing for a coworker at UPS. He was trying to be a Twitch streamer. Oh, I was like, hey, you should check out this game. So I bought it for him to support the channel. um I oh, there's not even any like cover on this. Nope. That's why the slip case is there, I guess. Is there a manual? No, no manual. Nothing. Nothing in here.
00:33:49
Speaker
Oh, Stephen, I wish I had the time to show you my special edition of the first Alan Wake. It looks like a book, dude. If it were on my bookshelf, you wouldn't know it was a video video game. But yeah, I can't tell if it's got the DLC on it or not. Well, well, I'll tell you what, there's six chapters to the game proper and then there's two special episodes, which are the DLC, so.
00:34:14
Speaker
If there are special episodes after the six episodes of the game proper, then you have the DLC. Then I have the DLC. And if there's not, then I don't. If there's not, it doesn't. I mean, it it kind of those two DLC chapters give you a better idea of of how The Dark Place works and and what Alan Wake is is doing now after the game. But it's not it's not necessary. You don't have to play those.
00:34:43
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kind Not really. Good to know. Yeah, dude. But yeah, Krampus. Anyway, Krampus. Krampus. I first found out about Krampus from the Christoph Waltz appearance on Jimmy Fallon in 2014.
00:35:04
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Oh, yeah. Where Christoph Waltz goes on Jimmy Fallon's show and talks about the Krampus legend. And I think I don't have any evidence to back this up, but I think that's where the kind of memification of Krampus came from. So then we were talking about this a little bit before we hit record on this podcast. But at the time this movie comes out, Krampus has kind of become a meme. Yeah, that's what we call it these days. Like it it had been like a fad or a meme or like something that does. but I mean, it just kind of a bit. Would you say it it came it became viral? The idea of can't cramp us became viral in this global community that we now live in? That sounds like something I would say, yes.
00:36:03
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um But there are a number of films called Krampus. This is not even the first one. um There are so many of these damn things. And none of them are well, I can't say none of them, but like so many of them have nothing to do with that none of them have anything to do with this and movie, I guess I should say. Yeah.
00:36:27
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um But yeah, there there are so many of these movies that feature Krampus as a character or as a um I don't know, as as an entity, a villain, something. I mean, there's Krampus the Christmas Devil that comes out in 2013. Krampus the Devil returns in 2016. Krampus Unleashed also in 2016. 2015 brings us Krampus, colon, the Reckoning. Krampus Origins in 2018. Rare Exports in 2010, maybe the earliest appearance of Krampus on screen.
00:37:04
Speaker
I always forget about that movie. Yeah, that one's fun. That one's weird. That one's fucking weird. Yeah. You get Mother Krampus in 2017, and then that one has a sequel in 2018 called Mother Krampus 2, colon, Slay Ride, S-L-A-Y. Obviously. Obviously. And then you get an anthology, a anthology Krampus movie called A Christmas Horror Story, also in 2015.
00:37:30
Speaker
ah But this is, I think, the the mainstream one. This is the big one. Which one did asylum do? Oh, god. Which one was that? Which ones didn't asylum do, honestly? Probably all of them. What did I say before? I'm interested in that. I'm interested in things I said.
00:37:50
Speaker
You usually are. What did I say? This is the only one that is like a, backed by a major Hollywood studio and has actors that anyone would deem recognizable. It's a mainstream film, if you will. Yeah. It was theatrically released. Which many of these are not. In fact, if I just type in Krampus into the numbers, um most of the movies that come up have nothing to do, like have no box office. This is the only Krampus movie with any kind of box office to it.
00:38:21
Speaker
I can't believe this didn't get a sequel it did really well, right? I guess we'll get into that. But I mean, we will. Yeah, that that will come up. But yeah I mean, it it does. It did well enough. It made enough of a return back on its budget that you would think it would have. But some Michael Dougherty is the kind of guy who seems to have trouble getting sequels off the ground because by all accounts, he's been trying to get a trick or treat sequel made since 2007. I can't believe that hasn't been made because the support in the horror community is Mm hmm. Overwhelming. I mean, they they give him, you know, fifteen, twenty million dollars to make that they're going to at least triple their profits. I was going to say and video release that he puts that on Kickstarter. It's getting funded within a week. Immediately. It's the the ah the the Sackboy Sam, the ah yeah, the merchandiseable character from that film. Yeah.
00:39:20
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everywhere at horror convention, a fucking icon in I would say when people do like shirts with all the horror horror icons on it, nine times out of 10, Sam is on there. Yeah, he has become a modern horror icon. And I see no reason why this version of Krampus could not also become a modern horror icon. Well, I think I think I don't know.
00:39:49
Speaker
Because and maybe that's why we need a sequel, because we need to spend more time with Krampus. Yeah, because like it. Well, I think this is a great thing. It's it's everything about the creature itself and all of its minions and things outside of like the legends told by the grandma. It's very ambiguous, right?
00:40:09
Speaker
Very, very ambiguous. Also that ending, like what what's all the snow globes? What's that mean? Where is where is he? Where is his house? What's going on? Where does he get these twisted toys and these demon possessed gingerbread men? She said he's a shadow of St. Nicholas. So does that mean like it's a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde sort of deal, which I would be sorry. Spoiler, Stephen, cover your ears like an Alan Wake, Mr. Scratch kind of deal like. Oh, sorry, I didn't hear that.
00:40:39
Speaker
That's the thing is like, that's why I want to sequel to this, because while some of this stuff didn't set well with me, and that's my fault for not watching it sooner, but I'm really interested. I want, I would want to see something or maybe even like, give me something direct to video with just like, um, sort of a history, a real history of it. And then how that applies to like the actual.
00:41:07
Speaker
the what they're trying to do in the film, kind of like, ah well, not really like it at all, but sort of like what they did with Blair Witch, where you had the Blair Witch Project and then that that little special documentary aired on sci-fi Curse of the Blair Witch. They did that with just like a supplemental.
00:41:24
Speaker
What was which which Shyamalan movie wasn't it? No, but it was I think it was right before the village came out. It was like the twisted mind of and that Shyamalan or the hidden door of them. I saw something like that where adrian Brody's only misstep. ah The village, I absolutely agree that that is a huge fucking misstep. Oh, my gosh. Thanks at own age.
00:41:52
Speaker
I am reminded of Robert Downey Jr. Alina, I will not repeat, but ah Robert Downey Jr. and Tropic Thunder. um You never go full simple Jack. Yeah, we're yeah. Adrian Brody went full simple Jack is what happens. Full simple Jack. Yeah. ah You don't do that. You don't. You don't. You don't. Not even if you're Sean Penn, you don't know. Nominated didn't win as as down the track has not aged well. No.
00:42:22
Speaker
Fantastic soundtrack. Yeah. You know, an Apple's contribution to that soundtrack. I will tell you any veterans as well. Like, holy shit. Like, which one did he do? um You've got to hide your love away. Oh, that's right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Because I was like, wait, wait, wait. I know this. I know this. Yeah. I had to have you tell me, though. Yes. Yes. And it's amazing. Oh, my God. It's so good. Like one of the best covers of that song. Like, holy shit.
00:42:49
Speaker
Eddie Vedder. And I'm not a big Pearl Jam guy, but like, holy shit, that sounds amazing. I am a big Pearl Jam guy, and I will say that Eddie Vedder could probably cover just pretty much anything because he approaches it with such reverence. um Pearl Jam did a cover of um Crazy Mary by Victoria Williams. And not only did they fucking nail it, but in the recording,
00:43:19
Speaker
They had Victoria Williams come in and sing it with Eddie Vedder. Oh my God. Like who does that? Who gets the original artist in the cover? And it's brilliant. It's fucking brilliant. Last kiss. Have you heard Pearl Jam's version of Last Kiss? Have I heard Pearl Jam's version of Last Kiss? She's Louise. Eddie Vedder can remake any song. I'm convinced of it. Show me a song you can't remake.
00:43:42
Speaker
um I yeah probably something really upbeat. I think you'd have a hard time. Gangnam style, I think. Gangnam style. Yeah, there that's not one I'd be interested in. No, but um like for my money, Eddie Vedder is kind of the copper king at this point. Everyone he has been a part of has been just knocked it out of the park. You know, I heard a rumor that Weird Al's baby is in love with Eddie Vedder. Oh, yeah, that's true. I heard that she's just crazy about that, Eddie Vedder. Yeah, du that was ah that was a Was that a poodle hat? So not a poodle hat. No. um Running with scissors. Maybe wasn't how much hair or a fuck. It it wasn't bad hair day. No, it was post bad hair day. It was definitely post a bad hair day. Oh, man. Beat it came on. i was watching this I was watching a movie. I don't know what the fuck I was watching, but beat it came on.
00:44:38
Speaker
as a needle drop in a movie I was watching, and it made me think of the scene in Weird, the Al Yankovic story, where they're pretending like, of course, that Eat It is a parody of Beat It. Right. And Weird Alice, the Scotty Bros. executive is like, and Daddy Radcliffe's like, well what's the song about? It's like, so it's like ah fighting or trying not to fight. Like, I don't I don't really know, like,
00:45:07
Speaker
I told you don't you ever come around here. Um... Yeah, I I once heard a a pastor use beat it the music video as a allegory for Jesus as he's walking through the streets and everyone's like, yeah, let's follow Jesus the way that everyone goes. Yeah, let's follow Michael Jackson. And I was like, we're not comparing Michael Jackson to Jesus right now, please. We're not doing that. Actually, now that you say that he is kind of Christ like in that video.
00:45:40
Speaker
because the boys are trying to get each other and he's like, no, no, no, no, no, look, it's okay, we're all friends. And that's straight up Jesus would have done that for sure. He was stepped in and been like, you guys come on, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. I just turned this straight up water into wine, let's get drunk. Don't mind if I do. Yeah, dude. You know, it's very Christlike. Take a big old sip of campus cookies. Especially the dancing in that video, very Christlike.
00:46:11
Speaker
I know some people that would disagree with you on that point, but sure. Hey, there's no historical data of how good of a dancer Jesus was. And I'd like to believe that he could bust an MF and move.
00:46:25
Speaker
Okay. That's just what I'd like to believe. Okay. I would, I, okay. I'd like to make myself believe that planet Earth turns slowly, but you don't see me like freaking out about it. No, the whole thing is just I want to I want a deleted scene from Last Temptation with Willem Dafoe, like breakdancing. That's all. That would be cool. Or just like an on on set tape. It's like something recording something on set. Hit with the axe. Just like do it. The the the coffee grinder. You know what I mean? I do believe it is.
00:47:02
Speaker
That'd be fantastic. I'd watch the shit out of that. Um, Tony Collette is a modern day scream queen. Yeah, she got like, uh, I feel like she had an early start and didn't really go anywhere for a while. And then people started appreciating her early work as she was doing newer stuff that was hitting as well.
00:47:27
Speaker
So it was kind of a weird like a revival and hit all at the same time. Right. Her in this, her era at this point when she's making Krampus. Like this is three years before Hereditary. Hereditary, yeah. Which I think it's her like just to stratosphere. Yeah, absolutely. But she's also around this time doing the the show United States of Terra. Or no, I guess that had been that ended in 2011.
00:47:53
Speaker
Um, but then after hereditary, she gets nights out or knives, nights, knives out. Damn you, Krampus cookies. that's Um, no, that's a combination between night's tail and knives out. If we could just get Alan Tudjic in knives out, we wouldn't even need to.
00:48:12
Speaker
Combine those two movies. He would be a good addition to a. Put him in a Nolan movie. Let's do it. ah Well, I'm going to say a Rian Johnson movie to one of those like big cast murder mysteries that he's doing now with Daniel Radcliffe. Yeah, dude. Like I'm I'm I'm stoked for Wake Up Dead Man. Can't can't say that. I'm not can't even pretend the next knives out. Dude, yes. And Danny Radcliffe in it, Weird Al himself.
00:48:42
Speaker
Um, is he? Well, you just said that you, that's what you implied. I feel like, well or maybe I misunderstood. No, I think you did. Cause I was saying Alan Tudyk would be great in it. Daniel Craig is in them. Uh, well, yeah. redli You did say Radcliffe. I know. when you I'm blaming the Krampus cookies. And you're not even like a third of the way through it. I am, i'm saying I am sipping.
00:49:10
Speaker
Barely sipping. You guys, it's December. You're just going to have to expect expect us to be a little drunker than we normally are. Also, we we know what's coming. we We have seen the future and yeah fuck this.
00:49:26
Speaker
um But Daniel Craig, Josh O'Connor, Glenn Close, Josh Brolin, Mila Kunis, Jeremy Renner, Kerry Washington, Andrew Scott, Kaley Spaney, Darryl McCormick, and Thomas Hayden Church. And I will say what I said last episode when we discussed this very same thing and Noah Sagan. Right. Because you know that motherfucker is going to be up in there. You can't make a Ryan Johnson movie without Noah Sagan.
00:49:52
Speaker
If you make a Ryan Johnson movie without knowing Sagan, you're not making a Ryan Johnson movie, which is why cabin fever two, even though, um, Ty West has, um, Alan Smith eat it. Well, not technically because his name's still on it. He's tried to disown it. Yeah.
00:50:13
Speaker
It's a Noah Sagan tour de force that and dead girl. I feel like I brought this up like two or three times in the last, like, I feel like this many episodes. We're always talking about Noah Sagan and dead girl and cabin fever too. Let's just talk some more about. I think we're just excited about the new knives out moving. Honestly, anything that Noah Sagan's in because Ryan Johnson is the only person that puts him in shit. Honestly, yes. And he's so good. He's fun in everything that he's in.
00:50:42
Speaker
but he's not in a lot of like mainstream shit, which is why I'm always parroting the same fucking three or four movies every time I mention him. He's great in Looper. He's great in Looper. future episode of this podcast looper
00:50:56
Speaker
I'm so excited. Oh no. Sorry, not Looper. I confused Looper with Jumper. I'm sorry. Krampus Cookies. I'm sorry. You got me so excited. There's no sequel to Looper though. There's not, but I don't think there was ever intended to be a sequel to Looper. Fuck! Is that why we're not doing Prick? Ever? Yes. Unless it's a straight up. Unless it's a straight up, yes. You took the words right out of my mouth. The thing about brick is I'd feel weird about doing it as a straight up because it does have a cult following. Like it's not like mainstream popular, but the people who matter like myself like have tattoos and shit. You know what I mean? You do have a tattoo. It's a it's a big deal for a certain group of people of which there are probably thousands, if not millions.
00:51:46
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. That's fair. and um But I say modern scream queen for Tony Collette because we've got her like she's kind of one of those like low key like horror icons. You got six cents. You've got the um you got the Fright Night remake. This movie, Hereditary. That was so good.
00:52:08
Speaker
nightmare alley like, she's got a body of work, but the the moment in the attic where they're all in the attic and, like, she looks up and sees the Christmas angel, the little cherub, and just lets out that blood-curdling scream, I'm like, we don't have scream queens that do it quite like Toni Collette anymore. Like, just from the depths of her soul, that blood-curdling scream.
00:52:37
Speaker
like And she said, unlike most scream queens, which makes me hesitant to call her when I want to call her scream mom, because like scream queens are usually like at least they start out as like teenagers or in their 20s. But Tony Collette was very like mom age, like almost middle age when she became a quote unquote, like scream queen.
00:52:59
Speaker
I mean, like that's my scream. I'm right there. We notice her collectively. We as a society, as a culture collectively recognize her in ninety nine with The Sixth Sense, which earned her her. Yeah. I think to to to this date, only Academy Award nomination, which is a yeah travesty. Well, she's just not in the right movie. She's killing it, but not in movies that the Academy would ever fucking look at.
00:53:25
Speaker
Well, exactly. And she feels so off in this movie because your other three leads are all exclusively comedy people. Adam Scott, Dave Koechner and... I'd say Koechner wasn't Scott, but Scott definitely, yeah. I mean, Scott was on Parks and Rec for like yeah five and a half years. Like he's a comedy guy. Yeah, no, he is. he He will occasionally do some non-comedic stuff like Big Little Lies and he's fucking great in it. But I consider him more of a comedy guy. and Well, and that's the only difference between them is that Keckner is a comedian. Right. And I would say Adam Scott is a comedic actor. Sure. I mean, yeah, if we want to get nit picky about it, then I'm I am. I'm a nit picker and I apologize for that. I am as a person. And I feel like it's it's beneficial to this podcast. It pats out the runtime. It is.
00:54:23
Speaker
um But yeah, I mean, Keckner playing kind of the role that he plays, like the the loud mouth blowhard here. um And I love that he's paired with Alison Tolman, who has just this great, she's hilarious, but she's also got this great sensitivity to her as a performer. That is got a lot of heart that she can't like erase you. i i I can never see her playing a villain. Right. Because She's just got too much heart. Like from the moment that family stepped in, I hated every one of them, except for her. Yes. Just because number one, I knew her as as ah what's her nuts, Linsky from Fargo, the police chief. And. I don't know, it just. I couldn't see her as a villain because she's just too
00:55:23
Speaker
I don't know. I trust her. I just immediately trust her. Whatever I see. her and And in this family, she's the one who's like, Oh, I don't know. Like she's in it with them. She's de she definitely voted for Trump, but she's she's the one. She absolutely is. She's the one that says the like the I don't know, probably the Democrats or something when someone's like, why is this happening or whatever? It's just like when when her family gets too much for people who aren't into that, she's the one who tries to rein them back. But I think that's kind of the perfect role for her in this movie. And I think she was perfectly cast.
00:55:59
Speaker
She's she's um i honestly, I think everyone is kind of very perfectly cast in this. This movie is agreed the casting is really, really, really well done. Very well done. Very solid. yeah i I enjoy all of these performers doing really what they do best. And I like that this You get these comedic actors in here because the movie then does become a genuine horror comedy. And you you you find those funny moments inherent within and it's not just the fact that the gingerbread men are goofy as shit. It's not just the fact that, you know, there's there's these, you know, visual gags that they're pulling off like as a pre like a precursor to the
00:56:40
Speaker
marshmallow buddies or whatever in the new Ghostbusters movies. yeah right Like they because they kind of have that that's kind of the role they play, but they're not suicidal. ah um um Homicidal, like the image of the the gingerbread man with the sharpened candy cane lunging at Dave Keckner's face is such a but while on fire is such a fun image. Like I laugh just at that image. It's so well done. Well, see, for me, um that was something that I was surprised to realize about this movie is the way that I
00:57:23
Speaker
viewed this movie, I guess, the way I perceived it is that it didn't really seem like a comedy to me at all. And that's kind of what I expected it to be, was a comedy. But it was it was kind of truly horrifying and and terrifying in some parts, of course, towards when you get towards the end of the second act and the beginning of the third act, it gets so absurd that it's funny. Right.
00:57:49
Speaker
But there's never like there's not really like jokes in this movie. There's not a lot of jokes. For me, the comedy comes more from like like this is horrifying and terrifying. And it's happening to this family that we've kind of grown very close to over the last couple of hours. Right. Because we've been forced to spend this time with them. But it's funny because of how ridiculous this shit is, not because of what they're going through or because they're telling jokes.
00:58:18
Speaker
But because it's a fucking gingerbread man and a cherub and a robot with a knife, that's the comedy is the absurd. It certainly have it for me. And for me, it's also the relationships between the characters like the.
00:58:32
Speaker
the Everyone's sniping about Aunt Dorothy and how awful she is. like the The shit with the son who's constantly getting in trouble defending Christmas all the time. like they They straight up bring up the Calvin and Hobbes noodle incident in this movie.
00:58:50
Speaker
Like, oh, the the like they're like, these neighbors are in Florida, these may neighbors are in Cancun, and these neighbors won't talk to us since Max had his little noodle incident, which is absolutely a reference to Calvin and Hobbs, and you cannot convince me other otherwise. and I did not catch that when I watched it.
00:59:07
Speaker
But now that you mentioned it, yes, that's totally a Calvin Hobbs thing. And you never in Calvin and Hobbs, you never learn what the actual noodle incident was. Right. And when Adam Scott asked for clarification, the subject gets changed. So it's the same in this movie as well.
00:59:23
Speaker
That's fantastic, I love that. it It's the shit like that. like It's not even the absurdity of the situation. like it becomes That becomes the humor. But I also like i love that Keckner and Tolman are basically like the Cousin Eddie for like the 2010s. The Cousin Eddie's family. like the Dave Keckner is the Randy Quaid. Allison Tolman is ah you know the actress that plays his... you know forbearing wife who's just kind of, you know, has to put up with all of his inanities. And then you've got, you know, the three redneck kids, the two girls that he clearly wishes were boys, and the boy who's just the least effectual human being on the planet. Like,
01:00:06
Speaker
It's that kind of like that. That's the kind of humor that I love the scene where Max is like asking his cousin Howie all these questions and how he's just staring like dead-eyed at him like not registering any Recognition that there's a human being talking to him at all. Like I find that very funny Yeah, I enjoyed that too um Though that first act
01:00:35
Speaker
The first act almost kind of. They almost lost me. Let's let's get into this. Why did they lose you, Tucker? Well, and as I mentioned before, this is not the fault of the filmmakers, because when this movie came out in 2015, first, the first act of this film would have been hilarious to me. Right. Hilarious. The absurdity of these people, right?
01:01:03
Speaker
People like this actually exist. Haha. Maybe a few idiots. Right. That's how I would have thought of it. But I haven't really had much of a reaction publicly or even privately around my friends or family about the most recent recent election. But the results of that election.
01:01:31
Speaker
um I'm about to get real. The results of that election. Really damaged, like severely damaged. My faith in humanity, like for real, for real, like I am a changed person, like and I'm a goofy guy, so that's why I don't like, you know, talk about this shit a lot. I kind of keep it to myself because it's not like when you when you come to talk to me, that's not the shit You want to talk about you're coming to hang out with me for a good time. You're not coming to me to talk about how much despair is. Right. to So if if if you if you came here for a good time, you might want to skip ahead a little further in the episode because where you would get real for a while. But that that really my faith in humanity took a huge hit. I understand. And I ever thought that it could. Right. Like my my sort of
01:02:29
Speaker
hopes and dreams and expectations for the reality of the average human being for the last, gosh, at least 20, 25 years shattered. Yeah, completely fucking shattered. ah And so. When this movie. Tried to sort of make comedy out of these sort of ah stereotypical right wing. You're you're you're you're stereotypical red state voters, as it were. The only thing it did, it just depressed me. i I finished the first act of this movie and I don't know how, but I timed it perfectly. I stopped the movie and I went out and I had a smoke. I just kind of decompressed for a minute.
01:03:24
Speaker
Then I came back to the movie and Steven, I had a fantastic time after that. Good. Cause cause you texted us. I was sitting, like I was sitting at a brewery with my partner straw and I got a text saying, um, if I didn't have to watch this turd for the podcast, I would have walked out after the first 15 minutes is what you turned it off. and I would, if I were watching this ah as just a ah dude,
01:03:52
Speaker
instead of as a podcast guy watching it for a podcast, I would have turned it off and that would have been a mistake. But the biggest mistake that I made was not watching this motherfucker until now. This is kind of since I've i I've I've owned it. I've owned this whole time. This is your hot rod, basically. This entire time, kind of, but like with with the.
01:04:16
Speaker
with a monkey's paw ending. Right. oh Yeah. Or it's like, yeah, fuck you. You waited two logs. Right. Now this shit isn't funny anymore. um Yeah, it's it's it's tough to laugh at at this kind of shit anymore, knowing what we now know in 2024, which is, again, it is kind of a bummer. And and what what Brett and I essentially were saying to you in the group chat is, yeah, it's really unfortunate that you feel that way because this movie is really fun and really great. um But yeah, in 2024, knowing that
01:04:54
Speaker
this is apparently a large enough subset of America that we can elect this actually give this awful guy the the the popular vote is um disconcerting to be sure. Well, I do appreciate you and Brett um validating me, though, because I really felt like I was overreacting, but it was one of those situations to where like I was just so upset. I mean, no, I didn't care if I was overreacting. I had to express myself and luckily you guys understood.
01:05:26
Speaker
And I felt validated and I didn't feel like an over emotional idiot. like I mean, no, and we get it like it fucking sucks. Like I was ah and was had before i I we started the recording tonight, I came home from a party with some friends here in the city and we had a good long talk about the state of the world and lots of like gesturing around at how awful everything is or how awful it likely will get to be calm. One of our friends announced tonight that she was expecting a child and is terrified because she has to travel a lot for work and if she ends up in a red state and something happens to go wrong, like is she going to get the medical attention that she needs? like oh It's fucking terrifying. It's a scary place we live.
01:06:18
Speaker
I was thinking while I was outside right before we started recording that I think as a person of my age, a lot of times when I, you know, complain about all the world's on fire and like, this is wild and I can't believe this. It, my first reaction is that I'm just like being an old man about things. Right.
01:06:44
Speaker
But then I remember that I'm not that person. Like I'm not a change resistant person. Like I'm not someone who still, well, I still do, but I'm not someone who only listens to like the shit I listened to when I was a teenager. Like I'm someone who's constantly trying to grow with the world. I'm not that person. So I'm concerned and upset.
01:07:07
Speaker
then there's probably something fucking wrong. There's cause. There's a reason. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm not a curmudgeon. I can be curmudgeonly about certain things as we know. Absolutely. I want to affirm that moment of self-realization for you, Tucker. though i canremudgeon No, I can do curmudgeonly things. Like the best of them.
01:07:33
Speaker
Hey, if you're going to do something, you might as well do it well. Right. ah But it's not it's not a core part of my personality. It's a side hustle, you know. ah Generally, I'm a pretty forward thinking guy. Like I'm like I was saying before the podcast, I'm not a nostalgic person. I think that in a lot of cases, nostalgia can be very harmful for people and maybe maybe a little part of the reason and no offense to anyone who is a very nostalgic person. I think that can be a very valid way to be. But I think in some ways, maybe our proclivity to want to ignore everything by burying ourselves in our childhood is maybe part of the reason why we're fucking here in the first place. Right.
01:08:20
Speaker
No, saying you're you're absolutely right. Like the it it is and it's part of the reason why Brett and I have said since the beginning of this podcast that there is something inherently toxic within a lot of fandoms because anytime like fan is short for fanatic and anytime you're that committed to ah something that is ultimately meant for entertainment, there's a there's a there's an element of of toxicity of arrested development within that that keeps you from engaging with the world around you, that keeps you from being aware of what's happening in various parts of this world. um I was talking to a friend tonight who' so who's like, yeah, and you you you you can you Americans can probably not name another world leader, to which I said correct.
01:09:13
Speaker
um And he was like everyone in the world. Do what current farmer? I mean, I can't I'm sorry, I don't mean it dearly. I don't say I probably knew about eight to ten. No anyway, the current. I listen to a lot of NPR. OK, well, then I would say you're the exception that proves the rule then.
01:09:32
Speaker
I'm so sorry, Steven. I didn't mean to, but I was like, wait a minute. and I can totally come on. OK, you're the exception, Tucker. You're you're you're a higher class of American than most of the ones that I deal with on a daily basis. Maybe, but don't tell me that because I'll get a big head. You know how I am. OK, then you suck and you're terrible. and And why do you even bother? Oh, that's so much better thing.
01:09:56
Speaker
Thank you for putting me in check, dude. Don't don't let me get on my high horse. That's a really tall fucking horse. dude You don't want me to get a motherfucker. I don't know if you realize how high this horse really is. It gets me up there.
01:10:09
Speaker
um But he's like everyone in um everyone in the world knows about Trump and knows about whoever Harris who's running against him like yeah, we we have to like the rest of the world has to And he's not from America. He's he's he's from ah another country But like he's like the rest of the world kind of has to know who these people are um Because you are the world superpower at this point um and as America go, like there's there's there are stakes for the rest of the world and what happens in this country beyond just us and the and the the fact that our lives are probably going to get worse that has actual ramifications for other parts of the world as well. And that's something that I think we often don't think about. Well, and I mean, even the the most primal survival of the rest of the world, like we've we've elected someone
01:11:08
Speaker
who is a climate change denier. the The person that he's putting into the EPA is someone who's just going to.
01:11:20
Speaker
Can we talk about fucking Krampus, Steven? I don't want to talk about this shit anymore, man. I'm trying to have a good time, man. Absolutely. I want to talk about Krampus. Fuck that. Fuck all that shit. We needed to address that because that was a big part of your experience with this movie this time. and We can move on, for sure.
01:11:40
Speaker
Like it's yeah, it's all right to stop mid-sentence, but I just realized like fuck I do not want to talk about this at all And not that not really ever if I don't have to honestly if I could just internalize all this that'd be fantastic sure Understood. um' I'm probably gonna have to put a political trigger warning on this episode on the show notes for this one If you feel like you need to I will publish it All right, I'll throw it on there. um So yeah, just just so the people know, because it's not usually a thing that we do on this podcast, but we're also not a podcast that's going to shy away from something difficult, talking about something difficult just because it comes up in a movie that we're talking about. So um I mean, this is that absolute, ever that topic is absolutely relevant to this movie and what we're talking about today. So I think it, I think it fits.
01:12:31
Speaker
And I'll probably hate myself for saying this, but if you do have, uh, a rebuttal or maybe something different to say, um, from a different perspective, we'd love to hear that in the comments because I, I think a lot of the reason why we are where we are right now is because seeds of division have been sown and I'd rather talk to someone and try to find a common ground.
01:13:00
Speaker
then just hate everyone blindly. So let me know in the comments, if you think that I'm overreacting, maybe I am. you know If you think I'm an idiot, maybe I am. Let's straight up talk about it.
01:13:14
Speaker
You can find the comments at patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod. If you join at the free level, you get access to the official conversation of the disenfranchised podcast costs nothing to join. Although if you do want to throw us a few extra bucks, there's a lot more in it for you if you do. ah But you can get all of your main feed episodes dropped directly to Patreon, and you can actually comment there and share your thoughts with us. You can also email us disenfranchpod at gmail dot.com. not throw everything off with the plugs early but this is this I'd say this is this has gotten too serious Steven I'm not a serious person okay quick say something silly hoop stank that works
01:14:01
Speaker
um what So this is a question that I i want i i will actually thought about wanting to ask you this while this movie was playing for me today. sure um What do you think about, because I know you're ah you're a Christmas music guy. you're You're a man who enjoys listening to Christmas music. um What are your thoughts about the use of Christmas music within the context of this movie? Do you think it's used well? Do you think it could be used better? like what are What are kind of your thoughts then?
01:14:34
Speaker
Well, I hate to disappoint you, Steven, but I don't really have a strong opinion on and outside of the fact that I didn't, I, I thought the lyrics to, um, the Krampus song during the credits were not as clever as they could have been, but I thought, I thought the usage of all the Christmas music in this film fit the tone and what was happening. Like it never felt out of place. Um, I enjoyed the, the bright eyes song at the end. That was fun.
01:15:02
Speaker
When I was like, Ooh, that's nice. That sounds like something I liked. And I was like, Oh, it's bright eyes. Yeah. The tracks. That makes sense. That's why. Yeah. Like I thought it was all fine. Like it was either it either worked or it. I was indifferent about it. Okay.
01:15:19
Speaker
yeah Yeah, no, I just i I don't know if it was maybe it was just the second watch through but like I was very intrigued by like choice of Christmas Carol and and things like that over certain parts.
01:15:32
Speaker
of the film and the way that they would use certain mixes of certain carols to kind of create almost a sense of foreboding in certain scenes. And I think specifically of the ending, like that Christmas Carol comes on the record completely apropos of nothing. The power kind of flashes back on. Yeah.
01:15:51
Speaker
Yeah, for a second and you get that kind of that record just starts playing again out of nowhere. And everyone starts to kind of look at each other like, oh, shit, where are we? What have we done? And you zoom out and realize they're all in a snow globe like that.
01:16:09
Speaker
That song in particular creates kind of a sense of unease that the actors I think really maximally. And then that's why I go with the hell interpretation of the ending, just because again, that look on all of their faces of just such unease is so palpable that I can't think of that ending any other way.
01:16:29
Speaker
I really appreciate the ambiguity of this ending because it's it, it really gives you a scenario where whatever your interpretation of it is, it's going to be satisfying for your takeaway of right. Right. And there's the very there's the super vanilla ending where um they don't stop and all look at each other and realize that they all like got murdered the night before. Right. So unsatisfied. He just like he just opens the box and it's the Krampus bell and grandma looks at him and like winks at him or something. It's like it's out the window. And I'm like, I I don't know whose idea that was, but have them fired, maybe. Right. Because like, oh, my God, the the ending that's on there, it's so good.
01:17:20
Speaker
It's so good. I love it. It's kind of a perfect ending for the sort of film that this was for the tone that it was going for, ah for where the film had been heading since the beginning of the second act. Right. It was the perfect wrap up. Yeah. i think And that, I think, I mean, we we love an ambigu ambiguous ending here on disenfranchised.
Ambiguous Endings: Love or Hate?
01:17:42
Speaker
So most of the time. Yeah. ah Oh, let me caveat. We we all we do enjoy a good ambiguous ending here on the disenfranchised podcast. Um, if, if you can pull it off, I think then we, we would appreciate, we appreciate that you have pulled it off. Um, a use better verse to fix your shit. That's not really an ambiguous ending. You know exactly where they're going from there.
01:18:09
Speaker
You know, it's ambiguous because you've got to wait for it. They blue balls you, Stephen, is what they do in that movie. That's what and that's what I'm saying. Like, you know exactly where they're going after this. They're just making you wait for it. I I just. I was having such a good time. I watched that movie. I was having so after I told those kids to shut the fuck up. I was having such a good time watching that movie in the theater.
01:18:36
Speaker
And oh boy, I was pumped. And like they got the group back together. Here, they're coming to get your boy. And there's the reveal of the end. Then it's just over. And you're like, wait, no, no, no, you can't. No, no. You can't stop there. And now you have to wait three years for the next one. Yeah. I'm look, this is the opposite of Krampus, which I'm glad I brought up across the spider verse. Is that what it's called? The second one across the spider across the spider verse? Yes. Because it's the opposite. Of this movie. Where like
Stereotypes in Movies: Boon or Bane?
01:19:16
Speaker
I liked across the spider verse all the way through until the end. Hmm. And in this movie. The first act really turned me off and I had an incredible time the rest of the film.
01:19:30
Speaker
Once Krampus introduces himself and once the family starts getting picked off, I think this movie really picks up steam. I think for me, it's when they stop being like stereotypes and become actual characters is when it it pops off for me, which is about the time they go and look for the first gal yeah that goes to check on her boyfriend. that's For me, that's when the movie starts to be good right for me because that's when those characters become actual characters instead of basically just being stereotypes.
01:20:10
Speaker
Right. And I mean, again, I and I've said this before, stereotypes are useful in that they kind of give us they they do a lot. they're They're a crutch for the lazy, but in the hands of someone who's skilled, it gives you an idea of where these characters are and who they are. It gives you a bit of a foundation for sure. Without feeling the need to completely flesh it all out. So that said, we're not against stereotypes in general. We're against characters that are simply their stereotypes.
01:20:36
Speaker
Well, and I'm not without even against I'm not even like I said before, I'm not even against the first act of this movie. The only reason it doesn't work, they did it fine. Right. Just doesn't work for me because it hasn't aged well. Right. That's not their fault. Like it's not it's not like a it's not a Looney Tunes thing where it's like this hasn't aged well because are these are racial stereotypes. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
01:21:00
Speaker
No, this was not wrong then. and It's not wrong now. It's just not fucking funny anymore. Right. Yeah. You know, which makes again, it was perfect at the time. I wish I had seen it when it came out because I would have loved the first act along with the rest of the movie. Yeah. But my dumb ass bought the motherfucker like 10 years ago and never watched it. I mean, and then that's where the monkey paw comes in. So oh that's me. It's all on me.
01:21:29
Speaker
Nothing, nothing else. i get you Nothing. What else? What else can you possibly say? um At this point, Tucker, because we are an hour and 20 minutes in, we're we're fixing to wrap up here. We haven't done the plot yet. How often do I get to veto the plot in 60? Did we determine that as it was a year? I don't think we have bylaws for that yet. We should definitely come up with something. I don't know that we did. If we did, I just made
60-Second Movie Plot Challenge
01:21:57
Speaker
them up on the spot last time.
01:22:00
Speaker
Um, I mean, we can do, it only takes 60 seconds. it That's true. It does. And I do have, I do have the coin of justice right here. And you have the official, the official egg timer of the disenfranchised podcast. It's right here.
01:22:14
Speaker
It's right there. So I mean, we might as well. and And while you set the minute on the clock, I'll let the listeners know that ah this is the part of the show where we recount the plot at the behest of the coin of justice in 60 seconds or less of the movie that we're covering. ah In this case, 2015's Krambusch, directed by Michael Doherty. I have the coin of justice in my hand. Let's see that if I in my let's say two thirds consumed glass of- Three quarters, Steven, be honest, three quarters. Fine, three quarters consumed glass of Krampus cookies. Half of that glass is much bigger than the bottom part. That's true, it is. I've got one of those Sam Adams pint glasses here, so. It is a lot bigger on the top than it is on the bottom. I'm gonna flip the coin of justice and we'll see which of us will be recounting the plot. Tucker, go ahead and call that in the air.
01:23:07
Speaker
It's head. Oh, he dropped. I fumbled the flat. Let me try that again. I've had three quarters of a glass of a 15 ABV beer. Back off.
01:23:20
Speaker
Heads. It is heads. Yay. I was like, I would have been fine if I had to do it. Now I have to drunkenly try to and I don't know if I'm going to be fine. That's the point. I have to drunkenly recount the plot of this movie. Do you want me to do it, Steven? No, the coin decided that I get to. The coin decided that I get to choose who doesn't. I won. That's never how we've done. It's like in the footballs. It's like in American footballs.
01:23:48
Speaker
Like if you win the coin toss, it's not you get to straight up go first, it's you get to pick if you want to defend or offhand. But I feel like this is the same thing. I will do it. It will. This is probably gearing up to be a just a disaster on par with our speed racer episode. If you insist, if you insist. I kind of do. It's just I have the power, Steven, and I would be more than willing to do it. I got the power. I do.
01:24:19
Speaker
So you say the word, you let me know. Who's gonna do it, Steven? I'll do it. It's my choice, but it's up to you. Okay. No, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Okay. All right, you ready? I got it on here. You just start. All right, here we go. Give me the 30 and the 10 second warnings. I will, you know I will. All right.
01:24:38
Speaker
It's Christmas season, and everyone's getting tased at them all, trying to fight each other for presents and shit. And Max is getting in a fight with some dude who's ruining Christmas for first graders, and his parents are kind of pissed at him. Then his aunt and uncle, or yeah, his aunt and uncle show up out of fucking nowhere with their with the cousins, and they bring Aunt Dorothy along, who's a bitch.
01:25:00
Speaker
Um, and then, you know, Max is like, Oh, I want to keep everyone in the Christmas spirit. But eventually everyone kind of like the, his cousins steal the letter to Santa and read it aloud at the dinner table and everyone gets kind of pissed off. That's halfway. Fuck. Uh, so then Krampus attacks. and his grandma knows all about Krampus and tells him about Krampus, but everyone starts getting picked off one by one, starting with his sister. And then like all of Krampus' minions show up and they start killing off people too. And eventually they try to make a run for it, um but then everyone ends up dying. ah Max gets tries to stop them, but ends up getting chucked into the hell with the rest of the family. And they have to relive Christmas and it turns out that- And that is time. but
01:25:44
Speaker
And then we get the worst fucking kind of ending ever, which is the everyone jumps out jump scare. I fucking hate those. I hate that like last second jump scare. I think Crazies did it like and in the apocalypse does it. Everything does it. And those those films that you mentioned, though, it is unfortunate, unfortunate that the filmmakers decide to do that. At least they did it decently enough.
01:26:11
Speaker
You've got movies like Steve Miner's remake of Day of the Dead. Yes, that was another one. They're just driving away and you're like, I know what's going to happen. I know. it's Yeah. I hear it fucking comes. I know what's going to happen. It's it's going to be really bad. I'm going to hate it. I know it's going to. Oh, there it is. Yep. There it is. Hate it. Yeah. Hey, credits. The one time that ending actually worked on me and I felt was earned and deserved is Scott Derrickson's Insidious.
01:26:40
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. But Carrie's the OG though, the original Carrie. That's the OG like, it's not a face in the frame coming in a frame. That's more what I'm talking about, but yeah. Okay, all right. i mean and And there are other like final moment jump scares that I think work well, like like Carrie, Friday the 13th, the original Nightmare on Elm Street, I think all of those work really well. You know what once really is really bad?
01:27:11
Speaker
Do tell. The rage carry to. I love that movie with all of my heart. You sure do. Their attempt to recreate that final scare is laughable at best. That's the best thing I can say about it is this laughable. Hmm.
The Krampus Sequel That Never Was
01:27:32
Speaker
There's an alternate version that makes so much more sense, but we'll talk about that next year when we revisit the rage carry to in next October. God, don't make me do that. um
01:27:43
Speaker
We did it. We're done. We're moving on and every year. No, we skipped this year because I'm nice. I'm a nice man. ah Look, if if we have to revisit it, it will be because ah they make a sequel to The Rage Carry 2 and we have to cover it on this podcast. No, Stephen, I have absolute straight up power and I believe that there's a straight up during next October.
01:28:09
Speaker
And ah I mean, I mean, it's it's one we've already covered on Patreon, though. So really, you're you're just I mean, we could just re-release that episode on the main feed for free. That sounds lazy. That sounds lazy. I want to talk about it again. It's been a couple of years. We're different. It hasn't. It's been. or It was earlier this year. What? No, it was last year. We didn't do the rage carry to this year, you silly bastard.
01:28:36
Speaker
it was last year we didn't 2023 spooky thought well actually didn't January of this year that's what I said forward I know but the way you said it was like it was during spook-a-thon but no it's it'll have been more than a year almost two years since we talked about it next October and we'll be different people then like I so i mean there's been a whole election since then like maybe it'll hit different for us maybe we'll have to have my doubts okay all right I'll tell you what, here's my, here's my promise. My solemn promise to you, Steven, I will watch the rage carry to in the third week of September of 2025 and determine then whether we need to talk about it again or not. And I'll give it a fair shake. I won't do it just to spite you, Steven. You know, I love you. I would never do anything like to, I only want you to have a good time. I tease you, but I would never like do a bad thing to you is what I'm saying.
01:29:33
Speaker
So if you say so, I'm putting it in my calendar.
01:29:40
Speaker
September Krampus was released in theaters on December 2nd, 2015. So almost almost nine years ago today. Well, I guess a little over nine years ago today. Yeah, dude.
01:30:01
Speaker
Um, it is a, it earned, it had a. Wow. that Yeah. That campus cookies are doing their good work. Um, oh yeah the.
01:30:12
Speaker
Budget was 15 million and it does end up grossing 61.8 million worldwide, 42.7 domestic, another 19.1 international. So does a good bit of business at the box office, which is kind of, again, to to kind of piggyback off of a point we made earlier, kind of surprising we didn't get the franchise on this one.
01:30:42
Speaker
And you could, you would like have feels a layout it could like you could expand on this story or this could very easily be an anthology series. Yes. Very, very easily. So easily. How is it as equal to this? Exactly. There there are multiple ways to sequel as a story like this. And the fact that it hasn't been done yet is kind of ah absurd to me. um But here we are ah in first place. Now, Krampus does open at number two at the box office.
01:31:11
Speaker
ah It opens ah number two opposite the Hunger Games Mockingjay part two in its third weekend. ah That gross is eighteen point nine. It's opening weekend to the Krampus is sixteen point three. What was it again? The Hunger Games Mockingjay part two. Yeah.
01:31:33
Speaker
So I am sending you a screenshot of the calendar event I put. You don't need to do that, but OK. Oh, gosh, it's too late. I wish you would have said that a second earlier. Oh, I sent it.
01:31:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I bet if I'd said it said it earlier, you wouldn't have sent it. Those hoker games, movies, they ain't bad, but boy they're not really all that good. it's It's really the it's the Stanley Tucci of it all for me that brings me to him. He's so good in those. He's so good. It's no one's bad in them. I don't care how good he is in those. Like he is the best part of all of them by far. My boy, Josh Hutchinson, is in them. So like you obviously like that. You do like that. For sure.
01:32:14
Speaker
um And then the the the lesser Hemsworth is in there as well yeah Not the least Hemsworth but the lesser Smaller and younger, right um And then we get in third place we get the good dinosaur down from number two in its second weekend ah Grossing 15 million dollars and it's I don't think that did very well did it ah The Pixar film, let me check. I feel like it probably, if there's a list of Pixar films and how much money they have made, I feel like it's probably closer to the bottom than it is to the top. Well, let me see if the numbers has one. I want to look into that. I mean, it grossed 123 million domestic, another 210 international for a total of $334 million dollars worldwide.
01:33:04
Speaker
That's not bad, but it's not good for a Pixar movie, I'd say. um Sometimes they have on that. What's the budget? um Not to get on a good dinosaur tangent or anything, because I really don't give a fuck, but I'm just curious. You must give something of a fuck. um The production budget is estimated at one hundred and eighty seven point five million. Yeah, they didn't. Doesn't even doesn't even make its production budget back domestic, which is usually a good indication of a flop.
01:33:34
Speaker
Um, in fourth place, Creed. What if there was a crew at the movie theater and I cry? There you go. And in fifth place, Buffalo, New York. Oh, is that the one where they tried to make sin city, but with something different? that's No, that's the spirit. Yeah, that's the, yeah. A few trips of the podcast spirit. gonna Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait to watch that movie because I'm probably going to hate it. But what if I don't?
01:33:58
Speaker
You would hate it just, as you would not hate it just to spite me is what I think. I would never do that. Never. No, Spectre is the is the James Bond movie where they make Christoph Waltz Blofeld, but not Blofeld. Oh, man, I could not begin to express to you how much I don't give a fuck about James Bond.
01:34:20
Speaker
I think there's no way to express it. I watched all those movies during the pandemic. I still have not seen the new one, the Carrie Fukunaga one that came out like two years ago. Oh, it's laughable how much I don't care. Rounding out the top 10, we've got The Night Before in sixth place, future episode of the podcast, The Peanuts movie in seventh place. I want to try to get I know one of the animators on that movie. I want to try to get him on. I'm really curious about that film because I don't know why, but it didn't do well, which, if it's true to the original Peanut Spirit, would track, so maybe it's good. Like
Saoirse Ronan's Filmography Tangent
01:35:01
Speaker
I said, I know one of the animators, and I would love to be able to get him on to talk about that movie with us. um In 8th Place, ah future, ah or I guess eventual, yeah, future Academy Award winner, Spotlight,
01:35:16
Speaker
Um, and ninth place future Academy award nominee Brooklyn starring Saoirse Ronan and in 10 place secret in their eyes. I have not, I've never heard of those last three films once really, really spotlights the movie about the, um, uh, the, the Catholic church scandal and the newspaper guys that broke it. Like the, uh, the molesting little boys thing.
01:35:44
Speaker
I do like movies like that where it's like newspaper guys breaking stories and shit. but Oh, yeah. I I've never heard of that. It won the Oscar at all. And then Brooklyn is the one where Saoirse Ronan plays a little Irish immigrant girl who comes to America. yeah I have no idea. I've never heard of it.
01:36:02
Speaker
And then a secret in their eyes apparently has Nicole Kidman, which is usually a recipe for greatness in my book. No, I know who Nicole Kidman is. That's the first thing you've said while talking about these through films that I've been able to. You don't know who Saoirse Ronan is. No, who's that? You know who Saoirse Ronan is. The next sings that song about her.
01:36:22
Speaker
She was in Charonin. No, Saoirse. She's in Lady Bird. She was nominated for an Oscar for Lady Bird. I have to see it because somebody's in it. It's the mom from Life Goes On. She's in it, right? Is that why I have to see it? Laurie Metcalf. Laurie Metcalf is in it. Yes. OK, that's even better. Even fucking better. Let's go. She was the little girl in Atonement.
01:36:48
Speaker
Yeah, and see that she's the girl that got kidnapped in The Lovely Bones, that movie that is awful. You didn't see that one. That movie is the reason that I am reticent to do a Christopher Guest watch through. ah She was she worked. She was in the French dispatch, your boy, Wes Anderson's French dispatch. I only saw that once and I really, really liked it. And then I bought it and I haven't watched it again. But I I'm always this close to watch. It's always my second choice.
01:37:14
Speaker
of what I'm going to watch. I'm like, I could watch this, but I could also watch the front. No, I'm going to watch this. ah She's ah she's in Muppets Most Wanted. Didn't see that one. Oh, dude, she's in future episode of this podcast, The Host. Am I going to have to fast track The Host? Which which The Host? ah Not the but not the Bong Joon Ho one, the Stephanie Myers one. I feel like. Did Julie make me watch that? When did that come out?
01:37:45
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2013, so maybe. That sounds like something Julie would have made you watch. It would have have to been after that, but yeah, probably. What's that about? i I'm sure I watched that. What's that about? Aliens. It's about aliens. And it's like a YA sort of thing. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, Julie made me watch that. Yeah, that I was going to say that sounds exactly like something Julie would have made you watch. I remember not hating it, but also like not being obsessed with it, like it was fine. Sure. you know She's in the musical video for Ed ah edit Sheeran's Galway Girl and Hosea's Cherry Wine. Well, you know, i those are music videos I've watched on standard rotation, Steven. She's in the movie The Way Back, a future episode of this podcast, City of Ember. Didn't see any of those movies. Really? She's in.
01:38:41
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I mean, she's she's kind of one of those great up and coming actresses now. she's I was mad that the way back wasn't about Peabody and Sherman, so I didn't see it. ah No, that would be the way way back, which is actually another actual movie title about Peewee and Peewee, Peewee and Peabody and Sherman. Peewee, Peabody and Sherman. Peabody and Sherman. Future episodes podcast Peabody and Sherman and Peewee.
01:39:09
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Not Peewee. Peewee's a big adventure out of sea today. I love that story.
01:39:18
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um So, yeah, Krampus came out. um that um that's that's your That's your top 10. Where was Krampus on it, though? I missed that. Number two. Number two. Number two. Nice. Fantastic. Good job, everybody. Well done. High fives all around.
01:39:32
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The Tomatometer score on Krampus is a 66% critics consensus. Krampus is gory, good fun for fans of non-traditional holiday horror with a fondness for Joe Dante's B-movie classics. Even if it doesn't quite have the savage bite, its concept calls for. It's got a- I didn't think to compare it to Dante and Tilden, but yeah, there's, yeah. There's a lot there to sink your, yeah. There's, I mean, the- Do I love this movie?
01:40:02
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You might. What the fuck? Particularly like the damn. The like the gingerbread men have kind of a gremlins kind of. Oh, well, yeah, kind of. Yeah. Yes. Just in terms of their chaoticness. Metascore is a 49 based on mixture average reviews from 21 critics. I'm starting to slur, Tucker. I'm very sorry. We're getting there. We're almost there, Steven. We're almost there. Hold on just a little longer. I'm powering through. I'm so sorry.
01:40:32
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And the letterbox score, Tucker, wanna take a stab? I'm gonna say this gets between a three point, oh wow.
01:40:43
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I'm gonna say that this gets between a 3.3, fuck no, people like this movie. I'm gonna say that this, fuck, this has got me stumped, Steven. I'm gonna say 3.6 and 4.0.
01:41:02
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2.9. Really? Are you sure you're on the right one? on the me Oh, because it's a meme site, not like an actual critical review site. It's just memes. Got it. Just joke reviews. I see. Because if it's something people like, then it would... Yeah, that's reverse psychology. I forgot. First rule of letterboxed. It's about the memes. It's all about the memes.
01:41:29
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If only there were someplace like letterbox where people actually reviewed movies. That'd be so rad. Well, I mean, it's ah letterbox to the social media site first and foremost. So I'm going to start letterbox for real dot com letterbox. But like, let's let's be serious, guys. Dot com.
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and And you will personally go through and moderate every review and delete all the ones that you think are joking. Yes, yes. No, I personally vet anyone who wants to review on the side. Oh, good God. So Tucker, out of five stars, how are you rating 2015's Krompusch? Look, this is a three for me, and I think it's a better film than that, but I don't think that it caught me.
01:42:21
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at the time it needed to catch me. And maybe that will change in the future. This is a film that I could see myself watching either next Christmas or the Christmas after. I love Christmas media because it's such a limited thing, not limited as in there's not a lot of it, but as in you, you can only enjoy it for a certain like maybe six to eight weeks of the year. Outside of that, it doesn't make any sense. There's no reason to engage with it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, it makes sense. And that's why I love Christmas music. That's why I have so many Christmas records. I listened to three Christmas records yesterday, Steven.
01:43:07
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That no surprise there. I listened to Brenda Lee's Christmas record. I listened to the Beach Boys Christmas record. I listened to motherfucking Diana Ross, the Supremes Christmas record. The one that has that very famous version of ah my favorite things on it. That's all over the radio this time of year. The rest of that record's are real good too. You should check it out.
01:43:29
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It's just called Merry Christmas, Diana Ross and the Supremes. This has been Tucker's movie review corner. um It's three letterboxed for real dot com. It's a three point five for me.
01:43:43
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Yeah, it's good. Yeah, it's fun. It's a fun movie. I really enjoy it. I get a kick out of it. I think it's fun. I think it's funny. And yeah, I this could become a holiday staple for me. um But you know, with with today, the day the day of this release being Krampusch knocked, I felt what better time to talk about Krampusch than than Krampusch knocked. So here we are. Time.
01:44:09
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on St. Nicholas Day slash Krampusnacht talking about talking about Krampus. So here we go. Are you saying straight up Krampus night, dude? Yeah, that's what it's called, dude. Krampus night, dude. Yeah, you would know you lived in in Germany. I know the most basic of German. You know German like I know Spanish, not like less than 20 words. Yeah. Not counting, counting from one to nine.
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because I
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01:44:39
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can't remember what 10 is. um Shit, I can't either. i I learned I learned that in elementary school and I have slept a lot since then. It's funny because I can count much higher, though, because like if I can't say 10, but I can say 2004. That's a much higher number. It is. Yeah. Yeah, dude.
01:45:05
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Numbers are rad. Languages are the shit, basically. So, yeah, we're the disenfranchised podcast. This has been our episode on Krampus. You can find us on most ah social media platforms, except for Twitter. Fuck Twitter at disenfranch pod.
01:45:22
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01:45:46
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01:46:01
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01:46:26
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i um You could find us where... No, I already did the social media plugs. It's your social media now, Steve. My social media now, OK. Damn you, Krampus cookies. um what Straight to my head. Strong shit. I am going to need to like eat like a leftover Thanksgiving dinner roll or something. You're going to need a loaf of bread, Steven, basically. Soak all of that up. Just eat an entire loaf like a bucket. I'll probably have some ah some ah some turkey, some smoked turkey with some red.
01:47:02
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And then maybe like a roll. dude Yeah, dude, I've got so many leftovers. Hit that roll first. That's going to soak it up quick. Maybe maybe a couple of mouthfuls mashed potatoes, too. little My sister made the smoked gouda mashed potatoes that are decadence personified. They are so good. You say it's mashed potatoes, but like they're straight up smoked gouda in that shit? A wheel and a half of smoked gouda. Plus a whole thing of butter and like half a pint of heavy cream.
01:47:32
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It seems excessive, but I I'm here for it. ah As you should be. It's fucking amazing. Damn it. My partner tried them and said they were the best mashed potatoes she'd ever had in her life, so. Damn, Gouda though. Gouda. I've never thought of that. That's brilliant. i I got it from Emeril Lagasse and as as much of a fad as that guy was. Oh, you made him, Steven?
01:47:59
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My sister made them, but using the recipe that I had used for years. But can you send me the recipe? I certainly can. Yeah, absolutely, dude. it's cool Yeah, I got you. In fact, maybe I'll post it in the show notes. Who knows? And see, that's something actually maybe. Yeah, that's something this Thanksgiving I i did as i I normally do. I made the Thanksgiving meal.
01:48:20
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this year for my friends and family that joined me for Thanksgiving. And one of the only things that I did not make from scratch outside of the pie crust was the mashed potatoes because I've never i've never done mashed potatoes before. And I'd really like to, I need something to motivate me to like do that.
01:48:47
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And if you have a good recipe, like that would go a long way. Next, Thanksgiving. Just dropped it in the chat there for you. I'm looking at it right now. Oh, yeah, I can do that. I can do all of this. Wait. OK, yeah. Yeah, I can. That's so I even have taty mashers, but I use them for other things. I daren't ask what.
01:49:15
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Uh, well, it's not really that weird. Like whenever I make, um, like the plant-based, uh, ground beef or the plant-based, uh, sausage, ground sausage, or even when I make stuff for meat, for tacos, for meat eaters and stuff, I haven't had Mako. I haven't had tacos since I've been on this little omnivore thing that I'm doing for a couple months, right but, um,
01:49:44
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Any kind of meat or plant-based meat that's like ground, it's really good. It's a really good way to like get it into finer pieces, like crumble it finer. Not such a big, like if you're making taco meat, it's good because it makes it smaller instead of like big chunks. Right.
01:50:01
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You get it to a certain point and you just start using that taty masher. It really separate, separates it really well. My sister doesn't use a potato masher. She's got one that's got like a little cross on the end and she uses that and kind of like does like a little twist. ah Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I could see kind of using both actually like using that one to start it out and then using the taty masher to kind of finish it off. I feel like that'd be a good combination. Well, I'm going to make some smash taties next year. You guys get ready.
01:50:31
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Do it. With some Gouda. That recipe, I do stand by that recipe. That was like my go-to recipe for many years. I think I considered that. I'm hooked and I haven't even tried it. There you go. You can find me on most forms of social media, except for Twitter, fuck Twitter, ah at Chewy Walrus. You can find the absent Brett Wright, who um may or may not be answering the door right now.
01:50:59
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for for a Krampus type figure. May he survive the night? ah You can find him on Letterboxd and on Blue Sky. Letterboxd at sus underscore warlock, Blue Sky at sus warlock. Tucker, where can we find you on socials these days? Oh, the usual places. I'm on Instagram and I'm on YouTube at ice 909. That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine.
01:51:28
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Uh, also tuck mugs, tuck underscore mugs. We haven't done anything in a while, but we'll drop something soon. I'm sure. Yeah. I i keep meaning to send that one over to the social media, uh, manager and I just keep, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it's still there.
01:51:51
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We still intend on updating it. It's not dead. It's not. Definitely not dead. Definitely not. I keep forgetting that I have a couple of things to add to it, honestly. Maybe I should put that in my calendar too. There you go. Put that in your calendar too, and then send me screenshots of those for no reason. Just for fun. Visual aids.
01:52:15
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to prove to you that I've done it. I'm man of my word. I don't just say I'm going to put it in my calendar. I put it in my G.D. calendar, Stephen September. twenty I'll never forget it. Twenty four. Yeah. Why not? It's the perfect day for it. Yeah.
01:52:30
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All right. Well, fantastic. That is our episode on 2015's Krampus. Join us next week. we've got a we Honestly, I'm kind of excited for this month. We've got a fun month coming up. And I'm excited to cover next week's movie, um a ah more recent release, which we don't do too often. So I'm kind of excited for that one. In the meantime,
01:52:56
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You know where to find us. you've We've already done all that. So for my co-host Tucker and the absent Brett Wright, until next time I saved the very last drink of Krampus cookies for the end of the podcast. I'll take a shot of granddad with that. There you go. So here we go to Krampus and to the the last month of 2024. Cheers. Guten Krampuschnacht everyone. We'll see you next week. Take care. Bye. And also to you.