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213 - The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996) w/ Andrew Johnson
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“Life is pain. Get used to it.”
It’s our annual Holiday Spectacular and this year, we’re tackling our first ever Shane Black movie on the podcast! We break down exactly which of Black’s movies have the Christmas setting, distinguish between a Christmas movie and a movie set at Christmas, get into the dissolution of the Sony Spider-Man Universe after last week’s episode on Madame Web, and break down the careers of Shane Black, Geena Davis, and Samuel L. Jackson! All this and SO MUCH MORE on this year’s Disenfranchised Holiday Special!
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Transcript
Introductions & Personal Anecdotes
00:00:22
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franchise right below will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams. Ho, ho, ho. It's Christmas time, everybody, and we are the disenfranchised podcast. That podcast all about those franchises have won those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. I am your host, the man who did four years inside a shithole in Marion, Illinois, and I'm not going back!
00:00:48
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Steven Foxworthy and joining me as always, the man who's not always this dumb. No, he took lessons. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. Hello, Steven. How are you doing? It's gone, man. How are you? Well, I'm also okay. That's what I'm saying. i was little I was a little anxious earlier tonight, because I went outside.
00:01:12
Speaker
to get some fresh air. And. Sounds like you could use them right now. Goodness. Well, I ah and I looked up in the sky and there were all these little lights just like zipping back and forth above my house, not just above my house, because whatever these things were, they were very far up like it looked like they were higher up than the airplanes that I was seeing go past. And there was probably about 25 of them up there, just kind of zipping around.
00:01:41
Speaker
And with all this shit on the news about drones and stuff, I was like, that concerns me a bit. I was a bit concerned. Uh, but then when I went out there this last time before I came to record, I could only see like maybe two up there. So that's better. I mean, better than however many you saw before. Sure. I guess, man, I don't know what's going on, but I don't like it, man. I don't like it.
Holiday Traditions & Festive Attire
00:02:11
Speaker
like that's so well I'll tell you who does like it. Our special guest for tonight ah from the Ephesiology podcast way down in Houston. Please welcome back to the show, your friend and mine, Mr. Andrew Johnson. Hey, Andrew. Greetings, gentle folk. How you be? Be well and yourself, sir. I'm feeling merry.
00:02:34
Speaker
I'm feeling excited. For the listeners at home, Andrew is decked out in his Santa Claus regalia tonight. I had a friend help me actually chase down the timeframe here. I think it's either 14 or for 15 years, o every year when Thanksgiving happens.
00:02:57
Speaker
Either that night or starting the next day, I will put on my Santa stocking cap and I will wear it every single day until Christmas. Now I'm not saying like all day, every day, especially when I used to live down in Phoenix and now live in Houston.
00:03:18
Speaker
Let's just say the weather doesn't abide um as I would like. ah Sure. So there are times when when the sweat gets, it's a bit warm. It's a bit warm, so I pull it. But um yes, so I have my Santa hat on, same hat, 15 years. I actually love it. It's fantastic. That's amazing. Glad to be wearing it and sharing it with y'all. You're making me want to go put my Gremlin's Christmas sweater on right now.
00:03:45
Speaker
I mean, I'm not stopping you. Tucker might, but I'm not. No, I think that they make like a wool Santa hat like that. Oh, yes. That's your wicking. And you could possibly get something like that that would. But the wool would still be too warm, though. So let's first of all, 110 percent, because boy, does that wool hold heat. Secondly, this hat I still am amazed by was a purchase from Target.
00:04:15
Speaker
15 years ago. I think like near the dollar section. So I won't say that this is the highest quality item that I could have purchased, but I will tell you because we have ah purchased them for our children multiple times, ah the quality has gone down, down that's to be from Target over the years. And so could I get wool? Yes. Would it cost me a hundred times more than I paid for this? Maybe. In this economy, yes. i'm I'm good with mine. My wife washed the ah the white furry portion this year so that I didn't look as gross as it nice yellowed as it had become. so um But gentlemen, I don't think, I really don't think everybody wanted to get into the Christmas spirit by just talking about my hat.
00:05:11
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I mean, that's that's fair. We could also talk about my Christmas beer, which is a ah from a local brewery here in the Chicagoland area called Sketchbook. It's a barrel aged stout, much like ah what I drank on the crevice episode. ah But it's ah it's figgy pudding. So it's a barrel aged stout with ah fig and orange peel. And I think it is delightful. That's.
00:05:35
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As long as you like it, that's what matters. And I love that for you. Yeah. And I'm now wearing my grandma's Christmas sweater. So ah he did it. I appreciate you. Now, does it have Stripe clearly demarcated or is it just general gremlins?
00:05:52
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He is on here somewhere. Well, first of all, Gizmo is front and center. gives Yeah, yeah, yeah. As appropriate. Right. i I am pretty sure Stripe is on here somewhere. I just do not know where he is. Now, is this a Gremlins Gremlins 2 as well? Do we have like the goofy one? And the ones we have on the tool. At the bottom, we've got like regular one. We've got a popcorn bucket. Oh, yes. So so it's just the original Gremlins. Do we have blender?
00:06:20
Speaker
No, we do not have a blender. microwa That's a shame. Hey, I know that we are a, I am, I'm joining you on your podcast, but there was a very lovely podcast that just dropped. I think it was last week on the what went wrong pod, what went wrong podcast. And they, they covered gremlins. And so I was, I grinned ah the entire time. What a, what a trip was a wonderful reminder of how great that movie is.
00:06:50
Speaker
Gremlins is a wonderful film. Gremlins 2 is an even better film. um Hey, oh perfect masterpieces. Yes. Oh, I'm I'm that I'm the guy that has that hot take. Yes. I'm with you. You're going to have to start a new podcast um because that's a franchise and that's the second one. So you yeah clearly can't cover it here. No, but we do have a hot take. We do have a behind the paywall show called Unenfranchised, where we do talk about films that killed franchises. So Gremlins 2 would qualify.
00:07:20
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Yeah, there it is.
Impact of 'The Long Kiss Goodnight'
00:07:22
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Oh, but Gremlins is not the Christmas movie that we came here to talk about today. um So Andrew, this this whole episode started over a year ago. I want to say it was like two years ago. It was bad because you reach out to me and you're like, hey,
00:07:43
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I had Long Kiss Goodnight, and I was like, we're covering Long Kiss Goodnight from 1996, written by Shane Black, directed by Renny Harlan, starring Gina Davis, Samuel L. Jackson, Tom Amendez, Yvonne Zima, The Great Brian Cox, Patrick Malahide, Craig Bierko, and David Morse.
00:08:03
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Yeah, to name a few. To name a few. um And so you reached out to me and you were like, long kiss, good night. Have you guys covered it yet? And I was like, we have not. And you said, well, I would like to be honest. i was like Well, that's that's a Christmas movie. And we've pretty much got our next two Christmases spoken for last year, greg the blackest Christmas month. And the year before that, we had something else on the schedule. And I don't remember it off the top of my head. ah But I was like,
00:08:30
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I'm putting you on the schedule for 2024 and you said right on. and here sure Making good on my promise. Here we are. I was so thankful. Look, you guys have an absurd, wonderful document.
00:08:44
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with potential films that could slot in this. And ah my my mouth did start to froth. as i I reviewed some of these and it was like, oh, I enjoy that. That's fun. Never heard of it.
00:09:00
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you know But then when you come across the bangers, like A Long Kiss Goodnight, one that made an impact on me in my younger years, I said, this is for real. This is on this. And to my shock and surprise, this was supposed to be a franchise. ah I couldn't I couldn't wait. So I am honored that I could be on the podcast to talk about this movie.
00:09:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's I mean, it's been so long since we've had you back because we've kind of put the pin in this one for you. um And um it it's been a long time coming. We're thrilled like to get you back in the chair. So thanks so much for joining us. Wait, what was the other episode you were on? We talked about Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club. And there was one other one. That was early. Yeah, there was another one that I am forgetting right now, and I was trying to remember this earlier. Oh, Muppets from Space. Oh, yeah.
00:09:51
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I remember that episode. A movie that I will be watching on a massive planetarium screen ah in like two weeks. Are you serious? Dead serious, yeah. ah My partner and I are going to the Jim Henson exhibition in Peoria.
00:10:09
Speaker
And they're actually showing, doing planetarium screenings of the day we're going is Muppets From Space. So. That movie is so underrated. It is so, it's still funny. Cause I've shown that one to the kids multiple times. They love it. Yeah. Go back and listen to our episode on Muppets From Space. Uh, that, and that's been a couple of years ago. Cause I was, I think I was still an indie, uh, when we recorded that one. So, and I'm in Chicago now. That was like 2022, I think.
00:10:38
Speaker
Yes, would have been summer 2022 if I recall correctly. The city be windy. I'm glad I'm glad you're enjoying it there. It do. Yeah. I mean, I was kind of jealous when you were talking about weather in Arizona and and Houston. Not going to lie, because it's freaking cold up here right now.
00:10:57
Speaker
Um, when I say I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. Um, because we are experiencing spring, like late spring weather. And so like it hit over 80 today with like 70% humidity oh is right not, it's not fun. ah Gentlemen. It's not fun. It's not great in Arizona, man. I lived in Tucson and that heat is okay. I don't mind that heat at all. Yeah.
00:11:25
Speaker
Like, even 110 degrees, you find some shade, and you're doing all right. You're golden. But that humidity, and now we all sound like old men talking. We're like, well, it's a dry heat, so you know. I like how you say we sound like we're old men, right? Old men can make ourselves feel better that we're not actually old men. We're all north of 40 here. it's We're old. It's fine. I live a mile from a lake, so the humidity ain't missing me. Yep.
00:11:54
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I am middle aged. You can feel that one in your bones. And consistently do. Both cold and heat in the bones. So there you go. So Andrew, I got to ask, you said this movie was a big one for you. Why Long Kiss Goodnight? When did you come across this movie for the first time? What has it meant to you? How often do you return to it? Give us some of your history with this movie.
00:12:17
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So it certainly has been quite a few years since I've seen this. um I have watched it, I have probably watched it within the last five years. I mean, I definitely did watch it before we recorded, but. Right, I got that i got that text last night. I did my check-in, I did my check-in for a cause ah with Steven and sent him a text. um So I did rewatch, but um I think it was at some point in high school I think this was probably one of those go into blockbuster what's available type runs.
00:12:54
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um What made it endearing, first of all, Gina Davis is incredible yes in this. And um I didn't go back to her IMDB to see how many years removed this was ah from a league of their own.
00:13:16
Speaker
But we can get into all that. Yeah, that that was all that was a pivotal movie for me. Like I loved A League of Their Own. And so now it's this, oh, this you know main star that I've seen alongside Tom Hanks and ah they killed it. Oh, there's this. It's a shoot them up spy thriller type movie. I'm in. um When watching it, you also have Sam Jackson and Brian Cox.
00:13:47
Speaker
Both of them look for every opportunity to choose scenery. Wherever they are, they are just the full versions of themselves. And again, I know we're gonna get there, but it's like Brian Cox. This is his audition for all the Bourne movies, right? it's It's the same role, but even a little sassier. and and And then you just have Sam Jackson really before, I feel,
00:14:14
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before he goes huge. He's clearly known. He feels like he's just playing Sam Jackson, but it's so great. So the characters, how they act in the movie, the way they interact with each other, plot line is both engaging, entertaining, there's porous holes through all of it, but that's fine. ah yeah is It is a popcorn movie. And in in those younger years, all those penis jokes seem to land. I will tell you in my older years, so they did not land as well.
00:14:54
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um A few moments of, oh, I used to think that was the funniest joke ever. um So I do appreciate the the recent watching to be like, hmm, I may have grown up a little bit. So ah ah there's something there, there's something there. But this was a movie that I loved watching and ah loved rewatching. So I would say that it was watched and then during those college years,
00:15:23
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rewatched a lot. Yeah. It was it's it's it's an easy one. And yeah I love being able to show it to people like, oh, you're going to like this. You haven't seen this. You got to see this. Yeah. I mean, I would put this it's not in the same like tier of quality as Die Hard, but it's it is kind of like Die Hard's like little stepbrother or like little half brother. It's just that kind of it's got that kind of like action movie you set at Christmas.
00:15:52
Speaker
Um, over the top, like big bomb bass that you, that you love and die hard. Just, you know, but it's like trying, it's like trying to be like, yeah, my big brother's die hard. So I'm going to like lay it on really thick for you. Die hard to directed by Renny Harlan. Just saying. Correct.
00:16:14
Speaker
Well, and I feel like you're like youre feel like you disagree. Well, no, i ah first of all, your premise and how you set it up, right? Like it's not die hard, it's try hard, but ah I thought you would have gone with Lethal Weapon because that was written by Shane Black. Right, but like Die Hard is like the quintessential Christmas action film. Yes. So that's what I was parallel with. Totally, totally riding on that train with you.
00:16:44
Speaker
But the ah the back and the clever banter back and forth between our our shoot them up characters, you know, that it's it's Lethal Weapon. It's it's Long Kiss Goodnight, right? Like it's it's a it's a known. It's the Shane Black special, basically. Yeah, exactly. You know what you're getting. Yeah, exactly. um Tucker, what about you? What's your what's your history with Long Kiss Goodnight?
00:17:11
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Well, I never saw it. Until today. So I watched it for this podcast. Great. Yes. No, I will say that um I first saw Gina Davis in Tootsie when I was a kid, and I think that she's the first actress I really had a crush on. I mean, she's just so tall. Mm hmm. I find that very attractive that she's that tall. Not that that gives her value that she's attractive. Just saying.
00:17:43
Speaker
Hey, it's your story. You are allowed to talk about what your past was. Correct. I was very into her. um And I don't know why I never watched this movie because while I was watching it today. The thing I kept thinking was how much I would have dug this when I was like 17. Mm hmm. Specifically, not not just because that's how old I was around the time it came out.
00:18:13
Speaker
But it's, it's the kind of movie that I really would have identified with at that age, at that point in my, um, film fan journey, I guess you would say. I was really surprised that I had never watched it. Kind of a shame that I'd never watched it because I liked it and I'll probably watch it again at some point, but I feel like there was all that, all that time.
00:18:38
Speaker
where I would have enjoyed it so much more, and it's behind. This is your hot rod. Yes, kind of it's kind of my hot rod. Kind of, yeah.
Shane Black's Cinematic Style
00:18:49
Speaker
Because I don't think there's, I guess as we are getting older, gosh, sounding so old, you even making that comment. As we age.
00:18:59
Speaker
that we don't realize that jokes actually aren't always funny huh or or things that we enjoy are not evergreen. right In fact, they they are really written for a time hu and and the jokes have a whole shape and it fits best and you don't know when it's not going to fit. right And so I hear you Tucker talking about that and like, oh,
00:19:27
Speaker
I could have had that time. It would have fit just right, but now I might be a little past it, and I'm enjoying it just not as much as I could have. As much as you you probably would have, because this does have some some Tucker movie vibes at various points throughout the film. like I could absolutely see you digging this. There's some stuff I recognize in it too, but I wouldn't have recognized it then. um Things that enhanced my enjoyment was ah how a good ah big old action set p please set piece happened on the Rainbow Bridge, which is a bridge in Niagara Falls that connects, you know, Niagara Falls, Canada to Niagara Falls, United States. And I'm familiar with that bridge. I used to live in the Buffalo area. And when you used to go up to the falls all the time, you're kind of familiar with that bridge. I am because I straight up I did work at UPS in Buffalo. That's right. I remember now that I see my shirt in the camera.
00:20:25
Speaker
I had forgotten, ah but anyway, ah not just the Rainbow Bridge, but um when they're in the freezer and ah the daughter gives her the matchbook, it's it's a tops matchbook, which is ah just a Western New York grocery store.
00:20:45
Speaker
Hmm. That's still um its own thing. Like pretty much everybody else, everywhere else has been bought out by Kroger. Right. But tops is still just tops. It's still just this regional so regional store. That's awesome. And I used to shop there a lot because it was the closest one to my house. Always a good reason to go to a grocery store. Yeah, always. So the ice cream doesn't melt on the way home. Absolutely. Exactly. Oh, my gosh.
00:21:16
Speaker
um So this is my second watch of this food of this film. I watched this one for the first time during the pandemic, the year that I watched like 540 movies in a year. oh So it really stood out. Mm hmm. No, i I remember really enjoying this movie the first time I watched it. um I enjoyed it a little more this time, ah kind of being able to place it within Black's oeuvre helped a lot um for me.
00:21:45
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um But yeah, I watched it during I was trying to watch 25 Christmas movies between December 1st and 25th. And this was one of the ones that I watched. ah Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah, so I plugged in Long Kiss Goodnight and I think it is a good film.
00:22:02
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ah I enjoy this movie. um And it I like it because of the bombast. I like it because of the bombast. That is the charm of this movie, really. And also Gina ja Davis just kicks, not to not to steal your thunder, Andrew, but kicks so much ass in this movie. She is so good in this film. yep It's kind of hard to ignore what she's doing. And she herself said this is one of her favorite characters that she's ever played. And I get it. Like, she's like, it's this in Thelma from Thelma and Louise. Like, those are the two. And it's easy to see why, because she first of all, she embodies the character really well. um But the character or characters? Indeed, quite so, sir.
00:22:55
Speaker
um And I would I ah this feels like a career highlight for her looking at the rest of kind of her oeuvre and what she's done This I think might be her bright spot um Her high watermark as it were and she also was an uncredited producer on this one as well. Yes is great And this is also like her last big movie before she kind of just vanished for a while and Like this and this, which is weird because this is also Shane Black's last movie before he disappears for a while. His self-imposed exile. Right. Or making too much money. with the for a movie that For a movie that ended up bombing, right? Well, I better quit while I'm ahead.
00:23:45
Speaker
He because throughout the entire like the 80s and the 90s I think particularly the early 90s him and Joe Esterhaus are in this like arms race for who can sell a spec script for the most money. um And Esther House is the one who I think he admits that he was the one that fueled it. Like Black sold a script. Esther House sold one for a little more. Black sold one for a little more. And then Esther House in 92 sells the script that would become basic instinct for like three million dollars and calls Black to gloat. Right. And then calls Black to gloat about it. And then
00:24:24
Speaker
Black eventually comes out with this in 96 versus I think Esther House's 96 movie was Jade, William Friedkin's Jade, which is not that great. A movie that I have seen, I've watched and yeah it's it's better than some other erotic thrillers, but worse than a lot of other erotic thrillers as well. Man, you're really saying a lot there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:51
Speaker
um it it's it Well, I mean, it starts David Caruso and Linda Fiorentino are your two leads. So do with that information what you will. um But yeah, so it's I mean, it's not great.
00:25:07
Speaker
But then Black sells this for four million. Esther House gets between two and four for Jade. So not quite as much. Yeah. um And then after that, and like neither one of them are profitable anymore. It's really wild. Because studios won't touch them because it's like, wow, we have to pay you how many million just to get the script. Meanwhile, this Tarantino guy is coming out and doing great stuff and not demanding half as much money. So yeah.
00:25:35
Speaker
Let it be a tale of greed, a tale of greed. And so like Astorhouse keeps making movies just not getting paid as much and Black just kind of soft retires for about a decade after that until Kiss Kiss Bang Bang goes from Long Kiss Goodnight to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, ah which he also directs. It's his directorial debut and that's he's back on top after that. He likes kissing and he likes Christmas. I can't say what it is, no.
00:26:06
Speaker
i You know, just saying and I'm not mad. Just saying, man. Neither. He's done shame. You lack has written a lot of Christmas movies. You guys a lot. Let's talk about the majority of the films he's written. Take place. Let let me take that back. Not Christmas movies, because I feel there's a difference between Christmas movies, which are about Christmas or have something to do with Christmas and movies that take place at Christmas.
00:26:33
Speaker
um And I would consider this the latter. It's something I could watch any time of the year. Yeah. I couldn't watch an actual Christmas movie like in July, but I could watch this in July.
00:26:46
Speaker
Yeah. And there's something. Yeah. And that's the other funny thing with the with the things that are quote unquote Christmas movies, they typically are also going to have not just like I get to watch them and feel the the warm fuzzies at Christmas. But, you know, is it is it going to have something to do with Jesus? No. Is it going to have something to do with the the morals and treating one another really well?
00:27:15
Speaker
Because if it doesn't have either of those, probably not a Christmas movie. probably Probably not a Christmas movie. And I can I can at least vouch this movie doesn't have either of those things. Does not meet that qualification.
00:27:31
Speaker
Christmas is just the setting and that's fine. Yep, that's fine. But Shane Black, though, he's I don't know what it is, man. This guy just loves writing about things that happen during Christmas, but not actually about Christmas.
00:27:43
Speaker
but 87, his first script is Lethal Weapon. Set at Christmas. Christmas. Cremen. Is Cremen. His second movie, also 87, directed by Fred Decker, a future episode of this podcast, The Monster Squad. Set at Halloween. Set at Halloween. Not Cremen. Tis the season. it Tis Asina.
00:28:07
Speaker
But not the season. He writes the story. He has the story for Lethal Weapon 2. I don't remember if that one said at Christmas or not. It's been... We'll give that half a Christmas. Just in case. Just in case.
00:28:23
Speaker
Uh, his next movie, 1991's Tony Scott's, uh, movie, The Last Boy Scout with Bruce Willis and Damon Wayans. Not Christmas. Not Christmas. I was going to say, I don't think that one's Christmas. Uh, Lethal Weapon 3, Not Christmas. Uh, see our previous episode on Last Action Hero, his movie from 1993. Straight up.
00:28:45
Speaker
i don't I don't remember if that one's Christmas or not. Not Christmas, okay. Long Christmas, good night, though, Christmas. I'm thinking of Jingle all the way. Yes, long kiss, good night, it's Christmas. Yeah, exactly, right? you just you You don't just get to copy and paste Arnold. so He did a Christmas movie. Shane Black, you get credit for it. ah Kiss, kiss, bling, bang, Christmas. Christmas.
00:29:09
Speaker
Iron Man 3 Christmas Christmas. ah He did something called a wall in between those and I'm guessing not Christmas or maybe it's it's it's a short set in Vietnam. So I'm guessing probably not. um And then a TV movie called Edge. um For the whole channel. ah No, it was.
00:29:33
Speaker
I mean, he he wrote it with Fred Decker, though, and he did direct it. I do love Fred Decker, you guys. You do. You do. It's got Ryan Quanton from. Was the movie that we covered Dead Silence. You buried the lead. It's got Yvonne Strahovski. OK. Well.
00:29:54
Speaker
for for fans of of televisions, Chuck. it's For fans of Chuck. And she's just been trying to chase that glory ever since. She was honest anythingcing she was on the last season of Dexter I ever watched. And then ah Black's ah two most recent movies, he did The Nice Guys, which really good is set at Christmas at the end. Future episode of this podcast, The Nice Guys. That's half a Christmas. That's half a Christmas.
00:30:24
Speaker
And then Predator, that one said at Halloween. The Predator said at Halloween. We'll put the two Halloweens together for half a Christmas and put it at six total. OK, so there's there is your shame, Black Christmas movie of the. If the claim was chasing holidays, yeah then you could have had a much stronger claim. Right. Yeah. But I mean, that's the thing that Black kind of becomes known for is the holiday action movie.
00:30:53
Speaker
If I could just madam web my way back to that and say holidays instead of Christmas.
Exploring Geena Davis's Career
00:31:02
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her web puttings off you
00:31:05
Speaker
You guys, the Craven is not doing well. Future episode of this podcast, Craven. In fact, it's doing so poorly that before it even came out, Sony just straight up cancel that entire franchise to like piggyback off last week's episode on Adam Webb. Like, Oh, it's embarrassing. That's amazing. Look, as maybe the most prominent Spider-Man fan in your life.
00:31:35
Speaker
You're up there. i I'm just letting you know. All of us as Spidey fans are like, wow. So how about this one gonna be? Like we know what they're going to try to do to tell a story about a character that we know and love. We also know that they're going to miss it entirely. But that's okay. Go and try.
00:31:57
Speaker
waste your money and then get to that place where Amy Pascal is going to have to figure out a way to only work with Marvel. I mean, only work with Disney to make the stories that we all actually think are good because they care more about Spider-Man than Sony, the guys who own Spider-Man. Yeah. Spider-Man's color is actually just green. Mm hmm.
00:32:21
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so correct yeah um yeah god sorry i took this off no i took this off no you're no you're fine because i honestly needed it needed you took it it needed to happen After last week's episode, like literally, we recorded that episode a week ago today. So we recorded that episode on a Sunday. And then like Tuesday of that week, it's like, well, this is canceled now. And we're like, oh my gosh, like we just talked about this. They couldn't have done this like three days ago so we could actually talk about it? No. No. Would have been too easy. and
00:32:57
Speaker
But at least we're now confirmed that Craven is going to be a movie that we can cover. And I may promise that we'll cover it within the next year. I may just throw it on the schedule somewhere. And you know what we should do, Steven? Not to do too much BTS, behind the scenes, ah band meeting shit. But what if we did an unenfranchised on that new Venom movie that came out and I didn't even realize it had fucking come out? The Last Dance, yeah. That came out? Yeah.
00:33:26
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I think it's already a rabbit, right? Oh, yeah, it's in theaters and everything ah online. Now you can stream it if you rent it or buy it. And I was like, wait a minute. It that came out. Mm hmm. Sure did. Did that suck? We should do it on a franchise on it when we do. Everyone is. Everyone I've heard talk about it says it's the worst of the series.
00:33:48
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The Vatican series, to be clear, not the not the Sony universe series. It's it's weird because like I don't like those movies because they're good. The second one, the second one is bad, but it's also exactly it's the but you expected. It's the perfect 90s Marvel Comics movie. It's exactly what those I subscribe to those comics. They sent them to me in the mail in the 90s. I was the direct edition guy.
00:34:17
Speaker
So that like the Carnage Venom movie, it wasn't a good movie, but it was 90s Marvel comic books. I liked it. I liked it a lot better than the first one. Yes. But the thing that holds those movies together is um um fucking what's his name? Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. Yes.
00:34:40
Speaker
Um, he, if, if he's not bringing it, the movie doesn't work at all. Like it all hinges on him talking to himself. Yeah. And being like. Because he's so good at it. He's really good at like, do you, what was that movie where, um, he's twin brothers?
00:34:59
Speaker
And he plays the Cray brothers. Legend, is that it? Oh, good. Yes, it's so good. That's probably why they hired him for Venom, because he can talk to himself real well. He also is like he's in lock, which is a movie where he's literally just driving and he's on the phone. He's just talking on the phone in his car. I love that. I'm around on the phone. Yeah, just that's all he's doing in that movie.
00:35:20
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Tom Hardy's fantastic, man. he could He could polish a turd like nobody else, dude. I tell you. He doesn't even need Wilson. He doesn't need a volleyball. No. I need it. I need it. Tom Hardy. What a man. no one No one has talked to nothing better than Tom Hardy since Bob Hoskins and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. This is true. This is true. I'm going to go there. OK. But who talks to themselves better?
00:35:49
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then Tom Hardy, then Gina Davis in The Long Kiss Goodnight. I mean, there it is. um And it, I mean, for her, she's like playing off of like, it's like a shot reverse shot for her, right? Like it's close up and then close up and then she's got her like hair slicked back and like a lot of eye makeup on. Look at all severe and deranged, like. Yes. Severe indeed.
00:36:15
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what ah What a great look for her. like she is She is not an unattractive lady, um but like has she looked hotter than she does when she's like like just looking like she's about ready to just kill herself in that movie? in this past that's the time not option yeah say like Half of the times when she's ah in her mental state seeing that,
00:36:40
Speaker
persona. i There's she's murdering herself. She's murdering somebody else. Like all of them are her just murderous. Right. There's I mean, the the Samantha Cain side of it is pretty much very similar to the role she played in the fly. Like very kind of ah innocent, unassuming, very sweet. Yeah, okay.
00:37:04
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Uh, and then this is just, I don't think as something that she had had a chance to play before. And she does it so well that you it's hard to imagine. Well, I know why, but it's hard to imagine why people didn't see this and go, let's just put her in a bunch of action movies like this because it's something she's clearly very good at.
00:37:26
Speaker
But the problem is no one saw this movie. Spoilers for the box office, but no one saw this is the problem. um because and And I think it's a big part of it is because the last time she and her husband, then husband, Renny Harlan did anything, it was future episode of this podcast, Cutthroat Island, which is that like pirate movie that was a big passion project for Harlan. Is it really good though?
00:37:53
Speaker
Do people like it now on reappraisal? Because I always like. I just I just never got around to watching it. And I guess I forgot. It just kind of gets what we have scheduled for that episode is a big fan of that film. So we would have to ask so people like it. Some people like it. Some people do. At least one does. Some people. Yeah, it's not. I mean, there's some stuff that's just indefensible. I think like there's nobody's going to like it. But as long as one person likes it, like I was there's a possibility I might like it. I like some some really bad movies. I'm not proud. to
00:38:26
Speaker
I'm not. You kind of are. You're a little proud of it. Well, I, I appreciate it. You liked Pete Davidson's Marmaduke. I didn't like it. I just didn't hate it as much as you did. And about to say some, to as long as your level of enjoyment is vastly different than somebody else's, it will get termed as liking, but that's just because he hated it so passionately. Well, for me with with Marmaduke, it was just that I'm I'm kind of used to toddler brain rot.
00:39:02
Speaker
So like to watch something like Marmaduke is actually a relief sometimes when you've been like knee deep in that shit all day. So it's not so much that Marmaduke was good or that I liked it. It's that it hit me at the exact right time where I needed something to pull me out of the toddler brain rot. Something just a little bit, a little bit more intelligent than that.
00:39:29
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Yeah. Speaking of toddler brain rot, let's talk the career of Gina Davis for a little bit. Please. That's a strong transition. it I thought so. Thank you. ah Her first film role at her first role period screen role ever is Tootsie, which I knew. What a start. What an auspicious beginning. You know, I was telling you that I had a crush on her. I think that's probably the first lady I saw on a brassiere and underpants.
00:39:54
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Probably. I got to tell you. Makes sense. That'll leave an impression. It'll leave an impression. The first time you see her, he he goes into the changing room and he's tried to like not look. Because, you know, he's totally a dude. yeah He is. Absolutely. I'm Richard Kimberly. Her next movie is a TV movie called Secret Weapons with Sally Kellerman and Linda Hamilton.
00:40:20
Speaker
um I don't know what it's about, but there's a woman in a bra and a Soviet like sickle and hammer on the cover. She would have been perfect for it. Gina Davis in a bra. I'm all for it. Obviously. And speaking of Linda Hamilton, if I may, um Gina Davis was up for the T2 role.
00:40:38
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and lost it to Linda Hamilton. I don't know if you're aware of that. I was not, but I think the right person the right person got that role. ah Agreed. As much as I love Jean Davis. Right. It would have been so much brighter and not as dark. Agreed. And I think that's why you need, lin although it would have, pre if she had got, if Jean Davis had done T2, it would have given her a chance to do what she's doing in this movie a lot earlier.
00:41:07
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Also, though, like you you cast Gina Davis, though, you got to adjust the cinematography because that's a tall gal. Mm hmm. And Michael Bean, probably not that tall. But she'd be she'd be towering over Michael Bean, which honestly true. I kind of dig it. I kind of like that. Not going to lie. um In 85, she does Fletch and Transylvania six 5000.
00:41:33
Speaker
As somebody who is not yet subscribed, have you already covered Fletch 2 on the Unfranchised? We have not, nor have we covered Fletch Lives, the Jon Hamm Fletch movie that no one saw, that came out a couple years ago. But was it good though? Was it good? I'll bet it was good. It was good, wasn't it? That Jon Hamm one, it was good. It was good if you are not expecting Chevy Chase.
00:41:59
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If you're expecting Jon Hamm to do a Chevy Chase version of Fletch, then you'd be off. Also, did somebody watch Fletch Lives and enjoy it and then find out, oh, it's based off of a book series? And did that that person go and read every single Fletch novel? I did.
00:42:22
Speaker
I'm putting you on the schedule for the most recent Fletch movie. Yes, and I will say... Is it a sequel though? Would you consider that a sequel? So it's actually a prequel. It did come out. So the books did not come out in chronological order. So it's reinterpretation of the books. So it's not part of the series. And it's all from the same writer. The books are. Yeah, yeah.
00:42:47
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And so this one that Jon Hamm is in is technically set earlier than this fletch. Like a casino royale kind of reboot sort of thing.
00:43:01
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ah And now that I'm saying that, or is it set really, really late, it might have been, it might be set later. It's all fascinating because like I said, I literally just ran through all of the novels. And so, um, that's, that's on me. Um, that's a, but no, I'm absolutely putting you down for confess Fletch, the John Ham Fletch. There we go. Yeah. Cause Fletch lives is the second yeah that bombed with Chevy. Right.
00:43:29
Speaker
But it did bring back the underhills. And I will forever love Fletch Lives just because the underhills are in one scene dancing in a a music montage. And for that, it's almost redeeming of how bad of a movie it is. make But Gina Davis in Fletch, she is so great. And it's like, wow, you wasted Gina Davis. Oh, that's unfortunate. It is. Anyway.
00:43:54
Speaker
And she does the same year as Fletch, it's Transylvania 6, 5000, where she meets her second husband, Jeff Goldblum. um Which he mainly does the fly with. but Right, and does the fly with him right after. yeah um And I mean, just two of the just at that point, two of the sexiest people ever. like Gosh, those two people are...
00:44:16
Speaker
So hot. And not only are they attractive, but they're they're weird in a cool way. Of course, you've got your, ah you know, the um Jeff Goldblum's and. Well, there it is. Well, and Gina Davis. Thank you. And Gina Davis, she's she's got her own thing, too. Like there are moments in this movie where she just kind of is a little bit silly, but it doesn't come off weird.
00:44:40
Speaker
because Gina Davis can can hit that when she needs to, you know. Right. Whether she's Samantha or Charlie, there are some moments where she's just kind of a sweet, goofy gal. She's Gina. And that's a Gina thing. Like she does a lot of that in Beetlejuice. That's like mainly her character in Beetlejuice, which is her next move after the fly. But it's in everything that she does. Like that little part of her personality kind of shines through in every role that she does that I've seen her in.
00:45:12
Speaker
yeah After Beetlejuice, it's Earth Girls Are Easy, also with then husband Jeff Goldblum. ah The Accidental Tourist, Beetlejuice, Earth Girls Are Easy, and Accidental Tourists all come out in 88, which is kind of incredible. Is The Accidental Tourist a remake of something? um I think it got remade as The Tourist, the Johnny Depp Angelina Jolie film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. And then,
00:45:38
Speaker
In 1990, she does Quick Change, which is a Bill Murray film that Bill Murray also directed. That he directed because the director just like quit or was fired and he was the most experienced person on the set. And so he just ended up directing the movie. um And sometimes you just do that, I guess. The year after that, it's a one-two punch of Thelma and Louise in 91 and A League of Their Own in 92.
00:46:07
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just boom, boom, probably two of the biggest movies in her career, 91, 92. She's immediately at the top now and follows that up with Hero, also in 92, a movie where- With Dustin Hoffman. Dustin Hoffman saved some people on a plane, right? That's a good movie, you guys. I've never seen it. amazing. Crazy how nobody has seen it. And it's like it's a perfectly fine movie.
00:46:34
Speaker
for the time, like it's something that should at least be remembered a little bit. It's not great. It's not perfect, but it's not something you would expect to be languishing in like this hell where no one even remembers it existed. And then it happens. Yeah. Yeah. yup yeah Happens a lot because I mean, I think her next two movies are both probably under seen like it's Angie and saying for a hero and then speechless also in 94 speechless with looks like Michael Keaton on the poster there. Mm hmm.
00:47:11
Speaker
And then in 95, it's Cutthroat Island. Like, and this is like, I think the end. So it's these kind of, these few like rather inauspicious but inoffensive movies. And then it's Cutthroat Island, which is this big budget flop.
Movie Analysis: Genre & Setting
00:47:25
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And then The Long Kiss Goodnight, which is another big budget flop. Like two of those in a row. And then she takes a four year break before Stuart Little, where she plays Stuart Little's mom.
00:47:39
Speaker
In all three of those films. She is in all three of them. ah She she is does a season of a television show called the Gina Davis show. yeah She does an episode of Willing Grace, then she does after Stuart Little three, another TV show, another one season TV show called Commander in Chief. Oh, she's the president in that. She where she plays Madam President. And there was that T. Leone show called Madam President, too, that came out like right around the same time.
00:48:08
Speaker
And it was this what if a lady could be president kind of thing. Finding Nemo shark tail all over again. And then after that, it's just like these kind of smaller films like Accidents Happen and Exit 19 in 2009 in a world in 2013. That movie is so good. It's a fun really good. That is the movie that led me to discover the great Fred Melamed, and I will always thank it for that.
00:48:36
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Now, something she has been doing for the last 20 years, though she hasn't been doing as much acting as before, is she has the Gina dava in gina Davis Institute,
00:48:49
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which is a not-for-profit that ah kind of ah fights for diversity in film and TV representation. That's awesome.
00:49:00
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And, uh, it's, I think it's great because I saw a post from them today, actually on Instagram and they were talking about how like Sony was one of their biggest backers, like that gives them a lot of money and stuff. And I thought it was wild that the. The companies that they're trying to sort of not so much regulate, but sort of guide through proper representation are the ones that are paying them the most for it. I thought that was kind of wild. Hmm.
00:49:29
Speaker
Yeah. That is interesting. A day ah national treasure. That is that is her career. And I would love to see her get like a late career resurgence. I'd love to see her do like a.
00:49:40
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do something that's gonna like net her an Oscar nomination. She needs a Jean Smart revival, style revival. That's what we need. Yes, she does. I was trying to think of the right person and as usual, Tucker, you nailed it. Like the Jean Smart style reappraisal, 100%, 100%. And honestly, something like this would be like, this should have been it. This should have been her like,
00:50:08
Speaker
hitting that next echelon. And for whatever reason, it just didn't happen. Which is a bummer. No, I know we're gonna get to this later in more detail. But does it have to do with like when it came out? Like, well, why didn't people go to see this movie? What's the what's the deal? I mean, I'm looking at the box office around this time and it there are some big movies coming out, like it's mid October is when this movie gets released. So that may have something to do with it, but I'm looking at the competition and there is there's some good stuff on this list.
00:50:50
Speaker
Um, we'll cover that later for sure. But we'll get back there. Yeah. But I mean, there's some good stuff on this list. And I want to, I'm going to take just a sneak peek at the week after just to see if anything else is coming. I can't figure out with, with the sort of the climate at the time, like this was, this was a movie that should have done well.
00:51:11
Speaker
Like it came out at kind of the right time. And you know what? Maybe it's actually, I think I just figured it out as I was working through it in my brain. This movie is just like the game. They're nothing alike, but it's just like the game by David Fincher because it is the last movie of a certain type that has ever been made. Right.
00:51:33
Speaker
Like the game, that was like the, you know, late 90s, early 2000s, thriller sort of thing. And then right after that, that style changed completely. And I feel like this movie was right there sort of at the tail end of when movies like this were popular and action moved on to something else.
00:51:53
Speaker
Well, because this is this is the Tarantino era. Like, Pulp Fiction comes out two years before this movie and kind of cements Tarantino as this up-and-coming talent. And so, like, the way we do these kind of movies is very different from the way we did them in the early 90s and in the 80s. Yeah. When guys like Black and Esther House were, like, doing their thing, so.
00:52:20
Speaker
I just know when I, about halfway through this movie, I said to myself, just like I do every time I watch the game, man, they don't make up like this anymore. They sure don't. That's the thing I said.
00:52:32
Speaker
They sure don't. No, this is this is definitely a relic of a bygone era. And you can see that in the like the nine years between this and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, you can see the lessons that Black kind of takes from this and manages to make just a really compelling action drama with Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. like I love that movie. That's a such a good movie.
00:52:57
Speaker
Well, I think it's because he was able to he he stayed a good writer because he embraced sort of where that genre had progressed to by the time he had done that. You know what I mean? If he you couldn't have written um Long Kiss Goodnight, then it wouldn't have like, who cares? Right. But yeah, he evolved with it, which is why I think he's still while still keeping the things that made him distinct. Yeah. Well, and I've talked about the Shane Black directorial problem, which is Shane Black writes and directs a really great movie that's completely isolated from anything else. And, just ah you know, a big studio goes, hey, that's really cool. Do that with our IP. And then he comes in and does with the IP and they're like, oh, no, no, not like that. Yeah.
00:53:45
Speaker
It's Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. And then immediately after that, he does Iron Man 3, which gets the yeah like cut to shreds by Ike Perlmutter because a girl can't be the villain because girls don't sell action figures. And then after that, he follows that up with The Nice Guys, which is under a future episode of this podcast. An incredible, like critical success. Have we not talked about that?
00:54:08
Speaker
We've not done it yet. I thought I watched this for the no, I watched it independently because you guys tell me to all the time. That's why. i thought was podcast Yeah, it's good though. It's really good. i yeah I'm glad you watched it. Still haven't. There have been so many times, you know, where you scroll past it and you're like, oh, the nice guys. And you're, maybe not tonight. Yeah, it's so good. And in in another world and ah in the good timeline, we've got like five of those things um because Russell Crowe and Ryan Gosling are low key. Is low key still holding things together or no? I wouldn't be able to tell you. OK.
00:54:48
Speaker
hard to say, honestly. okay um but it's um And then after that, they're like, oh, do that do that with the Predator. And then you're like, oh, fuck no, not like that. like it's just That seems to be the given. And now he just like is not directing anything and hasn't directed anything since 2018. And they involved Fred Decker in that one. How dare they?
00:55:10
Speaker
Right. How dare they. But here's the thing, like we can cover half of those movies on this podcast. We can cover nice guys. Can't wait till we do. We'll talk. um I'll talk about Shane Black all day. Yeah. I've never I don't think.
00:55:23
Speaker
Even his movies that aren't that great, I still like them. I still like Iron Man 3. I haven't seen The Predator yet, but I'm sure I'll probably at least kind of like it. Like I won't wait, I don't think bad. There's stuff in it. I would say it's his least successful because that one had the most interference from the fun. I was going to say, that one has lots of expectations. Give us the black cut. You're not the first one, buddy.
00:55:47
Speaker
Mm hmm. Well, and I mean, he was he's one of the only people from the franchise to actually come back and do another Predator movie um because he was in the first Predator. He acted. Yeah, he was a character in the first one. Yeah. So like he's one of the few people that have actually come back to do a second Predator movie. um Fascinating. Right. It's kind of wild. Well, Danny Glover was going to, but then he realized that He was too old for that shit. There it is. There it is. To quote Jeff Goldblum, well, there it is.
00:56:27
Speaker
ah um We should probably talk the plot of this movie. do it. um I think we've already revealed it multiple times. We probably have. There's the whole ritual thing. and Yeah, you must. 60 seconds, baby. 60 seconds, baby. All right. And so this is the part of the show where one of us, usually at the behest of the coin of justice or the D6 of destiny will recount the plot in 60 seconds or less. But because we have a guest,
00:56:59
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He has graciously accepted the responsibility of recounting the plot of this film, which is to say 1996 is the one kiss good night, in 60 seconds or less. Andrew, are you ready? Game. Right on. ah The time Tucker's got the time set on the clock, it will start as soon as you do, and he will give you the 30 and 10 second warnings.
00:57:25
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Gina Davis stars as Samantha Kane, who has only existed for eight years. ah She comes to she's two months pregnant. She has a child. She is Caitlin's mother. However, she doesn't know who she was.
00:57:40
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but things are coming back. Things have happened in her life in which she's all of a sudden realizing who she was before. Could she be a chef or could she be an assassin? And we find out that in fact, Samantha Kane is not Samantha Kane. 30 seconds.
00:57:58
Speaker
In fact, she is a CIA agent who was a murderous, a very effective, murderous person. The movie carries on with the people who were trying to kill her before attempting to kill her still. And the movie culminates with Gina Davis's character, winning the day, saving America and being awesome with Sam Jackson. Oh, and that's the first time you've mentioned Sam Jackson. said What's that all about?
00:58:27
Speaker
Uh, we do love him. It was just the plot, right? Yeah. So I, how many, how many different roads do I need to go down? I can't do it all. I can't do it all. Not in 60 seconds. No, you did. You expect too much of me. That was, no, that was admirably done, Andrew, admirably done. That's, um, that is on Tucker and really he should know better.
00:58:48
Speaker
I should, but I don't, and I probably won't as well. I will say- You took less than we'll fucking do it again. and i I love the fact that in truth, Steven, if I had just written it down, all I had to do was just read Geena Davis' exposition from the first few minutes of the movie. Yep. and that It's it's literally the plot line of the entire movie. It's like if we ever cover and there is one we can cover any of the Edgar Wright Cornetto trilogy. um We could all we would really need to do for the plot synopsis is just read like in every one of those movies, there's just a block of text or monologue where they just give you the plot of the movie that you're about to watch. ye They every single one of them does it. And I love them for that. It's so great.
00:59:39
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Do you know what's coming? Are you paying attention? Good enough. Good enough. um and yeah And again, if you're locked in, like you can you'll you'll you'll be able to tick all those boxes. And it's so great. ah One of the many things I love about those movies, let's Andrew, it's we've been holding off on it. let's Let's finally do it. Let's talk Sam Jackson. Let's talk Sam Jack.
Samuel L. Jackson: Career Highlights
01:00:05
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Um, this is early, you'd like, you, you'd mentioned earlier, this is kind of right before he pops off, but like we're two years away for two years past pulp fiction at this point. Like, so he's kind of already popped.
01:00:22
Speaker
But this is I have to I have to call that back, right? Because he already has a step or two. But like the career this man has even before that, because in this is a man who just works constantly like he's constantly doing movies and his IMDB speaks to that. He's in.
01:00:44
Speaker
Most of Spike Lee's early films. Yep. Great role. Great role and do the right thing. Oh my gosh. Mr. Senior Love Daddy. ah ah yeah We stan. Mr. Senior Love Daddy. Absolutely. But he's also in school days. um He's the hold up man in Coming to America.
01:01:03
Speaker
Yep. He do the right thing, of course, obviously. I'm just going to hit the big ones because there's. Yeah, because the man always works. Mobetta Blues, um Exorcist 3 as Dream Blind Man, Goodfellas, The Return of Superfly in 1990, Jungle Fever. You have to say Superfly.
01:01:27
Speaker
Like, aren aren't you supposed to kind of, you know, not make it sound like you're just reading text? Well, Stephen, I but I don't want to. I'm trying to lead you into a trap. Look, and you did so well. Hold on way to avoid that. No, no. Here's a way around that trap, Stephen. Just throw a little Curtis Mayfield on it. That's just a falsetto. You know, for the theme song for Superfly, it's just a falsetto voice. It doesn't really.
01:01:55
Speaker
lent itself to any sort of... An ode to Curtis Mayfield. Yeah. Go on, just go on. ah Juice in 1992. Tupac Shakur is Juice. ah Patriot Games also in 92. Loaded, past episode of this podcast, Loaded Weapon 1. National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon 1. Amos and Andrew in 93 as well. And the fucking masterpiece that is Menace 2 Society. He also in 93 does True Romance and the biggest film of the year
01:02:31
Speaker
girass Jurassic Park. Hold on to your butt. He steals every scene. He takes it and he puts it in his back pocket and he just sprints away. He's so good in that movie. He doesn't want to put in the front he doesn't want to shoot his dick off. Exactly. I didn't know he was a shooter. shooter That's such a great line. Amazing. That's a dick joke I enjoyed from that. I was going to say, that is Shane Black dialogue. Premium dick joke. Great A. And here's the best part, is it was it was a joke that was recorded afterwards in ADR, right? Of course it was. It wasn't on set. It was just a punch line, like, hey, this is really funny. We've got the B roll of you guys walking away. We're just going to put this here. Exactly. And you can see Shane Black going,
01:03:22
Speaker
I can, I can, I can do one better. I got the, I got the button for the scene. Yeah. Um, that's his 93 is loaded weapon. One Amos and Andrew menace to society, Jurassic park and true romance. That is an unbelievable year for any actor.
01:03:40
Speaker
So ninety four is it, is it a bit of like, uh, is it like Shane black says, you can make fun of my movie, but now I will cast you in my movie. Right. Cause he does loaded weapon one and is like, why don't you just do an official Shane black movie? right Why don't you just do the same?
01:03:59
Speaker
But it also is very reminiscent of something he'll do in 95. Like, so 94, he does Hail Caesar, not that Hail Caesar. Pulp Fiction, which is, gets him his Oscar nomination. and That Pulp Fiction. The New Age and The Search for One-Eyed Jimmy.
01:04:16
Speaker
And then in 95, it's Losing Isaiah, it's Kiss of Death, it's Die Hard with a Vengeance. Oh, that's so good. This role owes a lot to his role of Zeus in Die Hard with a Vengeance. like there Hey, Zeus? What about Hey, Zeus? Zeus? I mean, it is Christmas time, but this one's just Zeus. Hey, Zeus.
01:04:41
Speaker
ah there yeah no This is not the right time to bring that up. um And then he does the voice of something called Rumbo in a movie called Fluke, which looks like it's about a puppy. A dog, maybe. um is Is he the voice of the puppy? I think he's the voice of the puppy. Might be. That's a puppy voice. I've never heard one. And then in 96, he does the first Paul Thomas Anderson film, Hard Eight.
01:05:05
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um with AKA Sydney, which he's great in. um That's a good, that's a good movie. You should check that out. 96, he does great white hype, trees lounge, a time to kill, and he closes out the year with a long kiss goodnight. Yes, they deserve to die. And I hope they burn in hell. God, he's so good and he's so good in a time to kill. Does Sam Jackson do anything without earnestness? No.
01:05:35
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Capital One commercials? Oh, but he's making money, you earnestly. Yes. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. And that's the thing. ah for all right For all intents and purposes to this day, Samuel L. Jackson remains one of the most prepared actors in Hollywood. Like when he shows up to a film, he is he's read his pages, he's memorized his dialogue, he knows his shit. Like he is the consummate professional on set and gets really mad when other people aren't.
01:06:07
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and makes really interesting choices. By the way, this is not the last Sam Jackson movie we're covering this year because he's in next week's movie as well. Oh, good. He is. Everybody's in that fucking movie, Tucker. But yes, he's in next week's movie. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I do want to see that, though, because I guess what? You're gonna. I know. I'm real excited to watch it. Andrew, I'll tell you what we're covering if Tucker beeps it in post.
01:06:35
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I can't go ahead. Next week, we're covering.
01:06:41
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Yeah. Godspeed. Yeah. i Yeah. Well, I mean, look, we've already covered Madam Web, so we've got to finish out the year somehow. So might as well. With a flaming flames coming out the back. Right. Flames on the side of my face. um Yes. No, absolutely. But like he he's one of those guys and he'll get really frustrated when other actors are not as prepared. and Like his his people have to pull him aside and be like look Sam not everyone is going to be as prepared as you you gotta like give him some grace man like it's okay but no he's just like and he works. Constantly in twenty twenty four alone he had one two three four five six seven seven different projects this year alone. Like the man just like him and Danny Trejo are the hardest working guys in showbiz.
01:07:31
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but The only difference between the two of them is Sam Jackson, Sam Jackson's quote is a little higher than Trejo's. That's it. I think there's a few extra zeros at minimum in most of those paychecks. Correct. Correct. And Trejo is one of those guys who will literally do anything like Trejo doesn't turn down work. The only reason Trejo is turning down your movie is if he's got another one scheduled. That's it. Like it's the only reason Trejo is turning anything down.
Brian Cox & Accent Versatility
01:07:56
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God, I love Danny Trejo. You love that guy.
01:08:01
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How can I not? I don't. Yeah. Is recipe book. I think my sister has it. I haven't looked through it. I should probably. I'm going to. I should probably add that to my Amazon cart. Not going to lie. I had to be honest of listening. I did go to an event where he was the speaker, so I have actually been in the room um with and listened to Danny Trejo just spit a whole bunch of game. That's amazing.
01:08:31
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It was a, uh, it was a fundraising event for the council on recovery. So they, they do, you know, all sorts of counseling for at addicts and families of addicts and something near and near to his heart. Yeah. Yep. And Trejo came in and telling all the stories and I'm almost guaranteeing he did not have notes and he just.
01:08:56
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he just talked off the cuff it was great listening to him we also wondered will this plane land and it eventually did and it was great the thing i love about trejo is that when he starts working he starts getting work because he looks like a criminal because he actually was a criminal like i think this is what i would have done he was hired as a consultant on Like I think a lot of movies in like the, ear like an Eric Roberts movie in the early nineties, like he gets hired on as a consultant. I think it's runaway train. And then just like, eventually they're like, you look.
01:09:34
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suitably imposing want to be in the movie. And he just parlays that into a career like he's in Michael Mann's heat at playing a guy named Trejo for like 10 minutes just because he looks like that. Robert Rodriguez uses him a bunch starting with a desperate Oh, yeah. But it's just kind of he's just one of those guys that because he looks the way he looks. He's in everything like that. That is one of the great all time great that guy actors is Danny Trejo.
01:10:04
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Hey, man, when we gonna get a machete three when we get machete in space? How they gonna cliffhanger me like that? da And then je we love much it there I Do like those movies both of them actually quite a bit. and I really enjoyed my house My favorite thing about much it's a is the fact that that is as a character. He he got his start and in the Spike my Kids movies. Yeah, dude, that's the same character. Yeah, it is. yeah See, you beat me. I was, I was not, you were, you were spitting game. So I wasn't going to interrupt with the Robert Rodriguez and Spike Kids. um But the thing is, ah my kids know who Machete is because I'm Spike Kids. Machete don't text.
01:10:50
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The problem is Machete kills only made 18 million dollars worldwide on a budget of 20. It's Robert Rodriguez. He'll he'll make a third one that's better for a third of the budget and we'll all be happy. So come on. It'll also go straight to Netflix. Straight to that's the bummer of it right there. What's yeah what's his network? What's Robert Rodriguez?
01:11:19
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It's the character from Planet Terror. The the main guy. I don't remember. You're going to look this up. Maybe El Rey. El Rey. That's what it I knew. It was the logo was a crown. I knew that the dude from Planet Terror. Yeah. El Rey. El Rey, the king. Brian Cox in this movie. Brian Cox has always been old. Prove me wrong. Yes, seriously.
01:11:49
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He, by the way, he comes out just humming. Like his first lines are gold. You know who his character is. You understand how much piss and vinegar he has as just a part of his ethos. All of it is the internet, all of the piss and all of the vinegar. He's sick of everything. He's sick of whatever anybody is bringing. He is just sick of it all. Welcome to Brian Cox character.
01:12:17
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I'm really sad that they killed him off so early because I did. I really was enjoying what he was doing. I wish there was a little bit more of it. Keep it around the third act, you know, at least. Exactly. No, I want I want Brian Cox in the third act of this movie. Like, God, what? a That would be amazing. Just a minute. This is this is going to take us far afield. So I'm inviting us to not really engage in my comment.
01:12:42
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Right. So we're going to do you know who they're talking to right now? We're the kings of tangents. We are how many times over how many decades are women's roles in action movies? Just plot device points. They only exist to give the character a reason to get to the next thing. Yeah. And Shane Black writes Brian Cox into a plot point, which gives Gina Davis, the action hero, the ability to get on to the next thing. Correct. So he does the flip. He is. Brian Cox is the is doing basically the fridge work in this movie. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Which again. God, God bless him. Brian Cox, what a what a legend is Brian Cox. Honest life. My favorite Hannibal Lecter.
01:13:41
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Same. see our put See our past episode on Manhunter. What? Have you not seen Manhunter, Andrew? I haven't. Brian Cox is Hannibal Lecter. with a can movie In a movie directed by Michael Mann.
01:14:00
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And it's the Michael Menius thing that you've seen this side of Miami Vice. It's so Michael, yes. It's like, it's the movie Red Dragon, if it was directed by the guy who came up with Miami Vice, because it was directed by the guy who came up with Miami Vice. Because it was, right. I guess A plus B. Right. Okay, I'll have, here's the thing. I became a Brian Cox defender because of this movie.
01:14:27
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just because, ah look, there are so many people, you know, insert every single Coen Brothers movie where anybody who shows up on a scene, you know, you have confidence. They are going to be that role, act perfectly in that role, give their lines, their mannerisms. Everything is going to be an 11 out of 10. And when I watched Brian Cox in this movie,
01:14:57
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long ago in yesteryear and many times since then, he has no bad scene. There are no wasted lines. yeah that Everything is crisp. and And here's the thing, he is that character. He is perfectly that character. He's not himself. yeah oh And yeah when you find out he's not American. Right. Right. And you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, this isn't you? Like with Sam Jackson, you're kind of like, you're just playing a different version of you.
01:15:27
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earnestly in a lot of these movies. Can you imagine if Sam Jackson was actually British? That'd be amazing. I would love that so much. Have you pulled Idris Elba on us? yeah No. you know Worse than Idris Elba, Christian Bale, because Christian Bale does a lot of interviews in his American accent just because I don't know, it makes him sound tougher. He knows that if people show up to the movie theater having heard him in an interview with his Welsh accent, they're going to get completely thrown for a loop. It throws me every time I hear him use his native accent, I have to take a moment and like readjust my entire perception of the entire world.
01:16:10
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Idris Elba got cast in The Wire and and they had said initially they did not want any British actors. So he lied about where he was from. I'll bet. And ah went in and did a pitch perfect Baltimore accent. Fantastic. Someone figured it out in the room and didn't tell the didn't tell the director until after he was cast. Like it's because he was that good. Like Idris Elba, when I learned that man was British, I was shook. Like just deeply to my core. Like watching Luther after watching The Wire shook me to my core.
01:16:50
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I love both, by the way. Both are incredible shows. Watch both. But oh my god, like, I could I like that stringer bell. Why is he talking like that? Why is your bell talking like this? Yeah. yeah Streeter, no. What are you doing? Even better. Wow, that's an amazing accent you're putting on for this Luther roll. That's that's so neat. It's so neat of you to do that. I didn't know you could put on that incredible British accent. Man, you are amazing. PCI John Luther. I love that show. Have you have you guys seen Luther?
01:17:28
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I have seen all but the last season and then the movie or the. Oh, you've watched more Luther than I have then. Yeah. Yeah, I've watched. I watched Luther's good. Tucker, watch Luther. Should I watch it? You should watch Luther physically putting it on my physical list right physically now. um but I mean, I'm just looking at Brian Cox's um like this is the year he does this the year after he does Braveheart like
01:17:59
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and love And of course the first thing I see him in is X-Men 2, X-Men United is the first thing I see him in. Striker. I think I saw him in Manhunter first because I remember seeing that pretty young. I didn't see Manhunter until much later. And then I think for me he stood out after that was Rushmore.
01:18:24
Speaker
That's when I was like, oh, hey, that's Hannibal Lecter. But then he ah he also does like your my heart born identity, the ring like movies I didn't watch until much later. And then, of course, I absolutely saw Troy in theaters. I'm sure you I still have not. Of course you did. That does not interest me in any way.
01:18:45
Speaker
I really what was really into like Greek mythology at the time. And so I was like, let's see Troy and Wolfgang Peterson's Troy. Oh, OK. And Stephen and Tucker both. Did you guys realize or didn't realize that you had actually probably seen him. In iron will.
01:19:08
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have i seen iron will i don't know that i've seen the iron i don't know that i've seen iron well what is iron well iron will a brave young man is thrust into adulthood as he and his courageous team of sled dogs embark embark on a grueling and treacherous cross-country marathon oh no that ain't that ain't white fang with ethan hawk that ain't white fang with ethan hawk you barking up the round tree No, definitely.
Nostalgic Film Discussions
01:19:34
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I mean, it's got Mackenzie Astin in it. Nice. And the severely canceled Kevin Spacey. Oh, just cancel him again for good measure. Canceled, but not convicted. Some would argue. Which is wild. Okay. Really wild, yeah. It's also got David Ogden Stires. Love that guy.
01:19:55
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Iron Will. I'm not saying this was like a staple of my childhood, but I will say that I did see this a few times as a kid. I just didn't realize that Brian Cox was in it. He is you know what i know is the first one that I saw. He plays Angus McTeague, which is a very Scottish name for a very Scottish actor. I would say so. He just ran it back. He just did himself.
01:20:23
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you know what i've noticed what did you notice tucker i don't even remember man i've been trying to save this shit for like so long and i think i lost it damn i bet it'll get it back to the movie no something that i i have noticed as i've gotten older is that some things that I thought were very popular just because they were in my orbit. else yeah child Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Are like the Apple dumpling gang. Like, I thought everybody loved the fucking Apple dumpling gang. But then, like, I was on social media about it like several years ago when I was still on social media and like nobody we like the what now? Yeah. like No, the with Don Knotts, man. And right on me from the show. And yeah, I like that movie. I have the VHS.
01:21:14
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do But how do you feel about the sequels? I never saw it and there I think there's only one right? Yeah, yeah, it's on Disney Plus and I it's on my list, but I don't know man I don't want to ruin it. I'd rather just watch the ghost and mr. Chicken and be done with it again credible Mr. Limbit though, and again into that too. I've been to that as well. No, go to Mr. Chicken.
01:21:40
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Oh, there are so many good lines in that movie. just v b dot dot Yes.
01:21:47
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But Don Knotts is not in the long kiss. Good night. No, unfortunately. Man, just a little cameo. Come on. He have played. Should he have been one of the CIA handlers? I was going to say the president of the United States. He would have had less. Please. Have they ever cast a president?
01:22:09
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with more skin. ah
01:22:15
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The man is not as like when they cast like he's normal is what I'm trying to get at. He looks like a normal person playing the president instead of like this perfectly coiffed manicured. Mm hmm. Every man. No, he isn't. man He's a normal person. Yeah. I like the president in this movie. He's good. He's like a dude.
01:22:38
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Yeah, he's all right, I guess. J.D. Spradlin is the guy who plays the president. Yeah, he's a big deal, don't you know? He's in stuff. He was an an American actor, attorney and businessman. But he's in stuff. I've seen him in stuff. I know I have.
01:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, that's so funny that that's it. This is a bit from the the podcast the row watchables with movies as well and they say essentially what role in this movie would be better and if Danny Trejo is one of the people that they often cite like what could you put what could make this movie better if you put Danny Trejo and What would, what would be better in this movie if you put Don knots in it? I honestly, president maybe, or one of the CIA guys, like at the end, one of the CIA guys on the Larry King show is uncle Frank from home alone. There's one answer. There's one answer. Okay. I'm, I'm all ears. The drunk old man that she has to drive home.
01:23:38
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Oh, that poor guy. that That poor guy. Poor Earl. Alan North is the actor that played the close girl. I mean, though, I'll tell you what, I say that poor guy, but it's his own fucking fault for being a drunken horny and like a huge fucking misogynist. Hey, to note, the two people that make sexual advances against Gina Davis have horrible things happen to them. That's in the movie. Just so rightly so. There is justice. And unfortunately, it is swift. It is. It's basically, I think, why i like ready? Unfortunately, right. With full stop. Renny Harlan directs this movie is like, look, any of the make a pass at my wife, I'm going to fucking kill you.
01:24:23
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And then he does. before Before we get too far away from it, can I bring us back to the actor that played the president, GD Spradlin? GD Spradlin, let's do it. let's talky brad Stephen, you know about him from Ed Wood. Because he's the Reverend from the church that he's yeah getting the money from. He's also been in two movies I have watched recently, The Gone Father Part Two and Apocalypse Now.
01:24:52
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Dude, yeah, he's a Coppola guy. He's an early Coppola guy. And I just, I have just finished watching, this is past week, watched Apocalypse Now for like the third time. And God, that movie's so good. Yeah, dude. So we've seen- He was also in the pilot of The Greatest American Hero, which might be one of the all time great television theme songs. That's true.
01:25:17
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Look at what's happened to me. he I can't believe it myself. Suddenly I'm up on top of the world. It should have been somebody else.
01:25:34
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Believe it or not, I'm walking on air I never thought I could feel so free he he Lying away on a wing and a prayer Who could it be? Believe it or not, it's just me Yes, there's a second verse. Yes, I know it. No, I'm not singing it right now. I was really surprised you didn't just go into, believe it or not, Georgia's not home. Please leave a message at the beat. I did that as my um answering machine message in college. That tracks. Yep.
01:26:12
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Yep. Uh-huh. Steven loves them Seinfeld's. I do love me some Seinfeld's. Sure do. Our friend GD Spradlin was also in something that I, by title alone, I'm leaning in. The Lords of Discipline. no Oh, really?
01:26:33
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What what a title. What a title. The Lords of Discipline, Lords of Discipline. And if you look at the poster, though, DB, like look at the poster. It's it's like the first thing that's at the top. It's the first video. And I will say, what a great color scheme. I think I'll have to check this out. There you go. um He's like the third lead.
01:26:59
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ah David Keith is the lead of this movie, not to be confused with the great Keith David. Keith David. Different person. The opposite, actually. Exactly. Opposite person. like Bizarro Keith David is the lead of this movie.
01:27:16
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Oh, man. Oh, and and one what one more thing. He was in an episode of Columbo. Ah, we love Colombo. This is his second to last movie. His final movie ever is Dick, 1999's Dick. I like that movie. I need to watch that movie. That movie has been invoked so many times. I'm like, that is a movie I just need to like just sit down and engage with. Kirsten Dunst, Michelle Williams, Dan Hadea as Nixon. As Nixon. It's so good and it's so silly. It's really fun and it is kind of a product of
01:27:52
Speaker
and that same kind of filmmaking that we appreciate and stuff like Josie and the Pussycats. Right. Or it's like and go on where it's like it's bubbly and fun, but it's meta and it's also kind of making fun of you at the same time. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah. No, it's it's really it's it's good. It's been on my list for years. I've just never gotten to it. Yeah. I'm going to.
01:28:17
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Is it? You really dropped the hammer there as the proud owner of Josie and the Pussycats soundtrack on vinyl. I do have that on vinyl. Tucker, too. Yeah. Yes. See our past episode on Josie and the Pussycats. Yeah. The ah the black and purple splatter vinyl. Yeah, it's so. And you get the du jour. Did yours come with the du jour 45? Almost definitely. Fantastic. Fantastic. I had that soundtrack on compact disc.
01:28:46
Speaker
Honestly, so that was different. So like what you had on Compact Disc was actually a soundtrack and it had other songs from the film in it. But like what we have on vinyl is the album from the film. Like there's no other it's all just Josie and the Pussycats songs. None of the other songs from the film were in it. The last two tracks are the Dejour tracks, but the rest are Josie and the Pussycats. Oh, I thought the even the old version was different. That's my bad. I was wrong.
01:29:16
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You are right that they didn't get rid of the du jour songs. They just put them on us because they're a separate smaller vinyl. On a seven inch disc, yeah. Andrew, this is me currently letting you know that Dick is currently streaming on Amazon Prime. Oh, nice. Appreciated. I got you. Appreciated.
Action Tropes & Absurdities in Cinema
01:29:35
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um so that we can all watch that, because that just seems like a really fun movie. um But no, you're right. ah Don Knotts' Earl is your right. That is the right role.
01:29:47
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that's Um, so you do it to to circle back there to circle back. Hey, this, this circle leads back to one spot and that's where we were and right talking about, look, we've done a lot of tangents tonight, but we do all, I think really enjoy the long kiss. Good night. This is a so fun action movie.
01:30:06
Speaker
Also, like that whole scene, like all the all of the her her inner demons are definitely going to come out. She gets thrown from the car. She snaps the neck of the deer. I mean, it all it's all in that opening scene. Like you see it all right there. It's so it's so you're like, you don't really know what's happening. And then it's happening. I gave it. Sorry. Go ahead, Tucker. I was going to say, I appreciate the fact that um this film it's you go ahead Steven because I completely forgot what I was gonna say
01:30:45
Speaker
But he is coming off the top rope soon, so wait for it. But not wait for it, but just be ready for it. Absolutely. My favorite scene is when she uses the matches to light the kara scene to blow up the hotel, and Sam Jack just goes flying out the window, through the motel sign, into the forest behind, and still manages to sit up completely unscathed. Well, he hit the tree. I love it.
01:31:12
Speaker
So much. He hit the tree with broke his fall and then the snow broke his fall. So that's movie logic. Tree, snow, you're good. Meanwhile, so many people hit trees at at lesser speeds and died instantly. I'm looking at you, Sonny Bono.
01:31:29
Speaker
But they're the bad guys. Oh, wait. Well, maybe. Yeah, sure. Sonny Bono in real life died in a skiing accident. It's true. I do. Why would you do that, Tucker? You just mock the man. I'm just kidding. I didn't. OK. So let the dead rest. At what point in the movie would you say definitely crossed that line when movie magic took over? That's it for me. So was that the first time?
01:31:57
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For me, yes, like where I'm just like, this is over the top. that This is where the try hard kicks in. Okay. We're like overcompensating diehards, you know, little step brother kind of stuff for me. Okay. Well, then I just, I just realized what I was going to say and and it has to do with what you were saying.
01:32:19
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See, go, go, go. Is that the transition from the first part of this film, like the sort of the intro um prologue sort of part of this film before shit gets real, real, real, saying a bad boy's movie.
01:32:37
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um It's a good transition and like I'm glad we got there, but this movie is so good that I could have stayed in that prologue for a little longer and I would have been mad at all. But I mean, you got to shift into that higher gear at some point because it is a Shane Black movie. So you got to shift into that higher gear.
01:33:01
Speaker
And I think if it happens at the right time personally. They're dropping. They're dropping so many hints. You have to make good on the hints that you're dropping. Exactly. Right. You just can't you can't keep teasing everybody like where is this coming from? Like, you know, she did threaten her daughter who broke her wrist right now on the ice for the sake of threatening her daughter and nobody else. It was not performative. Mm hmm.
01:33:27
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She went crazy on her eight-year-old yeah and tells him that life is pain. As I'm sure so many parents either have done or have wanted to do at various... I'm not a parent, so I don't know. Have fantasized about many, many times.
01:33:42
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I was gonna say, you guys are both parents, so I'll lie for you. There's a reason that scene gets all parents, because you're like, man, I may have thought about doing that, but there would be no circumstance in which I would ever do that right to my crying child, and it does exist as not reality, right? But you get to watch it in movies, and you're like, yeah, that's crazy.
01:34:10
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like oh that's fucked up but also that's fair like I would never do that but like I get it what would that I could though I say I say her we've all seen movies with Rex and things but her being just a little scraped up after that car wreck. Oh my gosh. She flew out the windshield, like 34 inches. Out the windshield, yes. And then down, what, a story and a half? Maybe, yeah. Yeah. And then walks through frozen water. In her bare feet. To go kill the deer. Barefoot, yeah. To kill the deer, yeah, barefoot.
01:34:55
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Well, I mean, there's a mercy kill, so respect, but also still a little absurd for someone to do after they just got shot out of a car and walked barefoot through the snow and a babbling brook.
01:35:11
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like I would say yeah it didn't hit me how ridiculous that was until this viewing, right? Like what I'm saying is I actually agree with you, Steven, that movie magic brain almost kicked off when, you know, yeah Sam gets blown out the window and and all of all of the gas canisters continue to fly up in perfect fashion and in a in a quadrant. Just these four at same heights all go north.
01:35:40
Speaker
and And it's all fine. And that was the point in the movie where I went, wait a second. right But this time it kicked in earlier and that's okay. And you know what? that's that's you're You're probably right. Absolutely. But then the fact that it all kind of... gets you know just kind of action movie like just yeah par for the course for an action movie exactly they could make that shot but like everything after that kind of just levels out and then it ramps way back up and then at the end it up it's one after another after another it's her like
01:36:14
Speaker
cutting the Christmas lights, flying up, shooting the dude in the helicopter, going down the Christmas lights again, like- Wait, wait, you didn't set this correct. You're right. Thank you for the lob. This is a lob. This is a softball. You have tossed it to me. You're welcome. I didn't even need to prep you. We are friends who go back. Correct. This movie was a thing for me. I loved this movie, and I could hold it dear in my heart.
01:36:44
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the finale happens here's the thing that i love the finale no no no don't get me wrong i love it right but there's a helicopter it's got two sharp shooters yep she shoots them both one of them then falls out. While on fire. On fire. Cause he like hits himself with a flare. Yes. Yes. That's right. I was like, how did he get on fire? That's right. The flare. So he's on fire, hanging from Christmas lights on the aforementioned rainbow bridge. Yep. He is hanging and a flame. Last night during my rewatch,
01:37:27
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I looked at the time in which that flare hit him. hu In movie time, which could be actual time or it could be a little bit longer. right But in movie time, Holmes was burning for five and a half minutes. He is hanging a blaze for five and a half minutes. That's a phosphorus burn though. Extra crispy. Yeah. so The gun special rest that she goes up the Christmas lights and grabs off of his burning body yeah has been a flame literally in the flame for five and a half. It has melted by now. So not only has it melted, but it's also melting all the skin on her hand because she's not wearing gloves. And so I got her that's involved. There's might be exploding as well. Yes.
01:38:26
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So I went and utilized the ever so hated chat GPT, because I needed it to resource some larger swath of knowledge that I did not possess. Now understand gentlemen, we can save the I hate AI for art conversation for another pod. I will lead the podcast. Okay, so I was gonna say, we're all on that boat. Let's be clear. A special episode where do all the podcasts come together like the Cartoon All-Stars and we fight against. Okay, if that's the case. that um all of us again All of us against Joe Rogan, really, pretty much. So, according to the questions that I asked yesterday, a handle on a gun
01:39:16
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would likely melt but if a gun was in that fireball for five and a half minutes it's reaching at minimum 500 degrees Fahrenheit correct and is getting up to around 800 degrees Fahrenheit yep And as you already stated, if she were to grab the gun at not just the 800 degree mark, but the 500 degree mark without specialized protective equipment. No, no bare handed. It's not just
01:39:52
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no hand con virgin davis no It is immediately incapacitating her hand her hand is done. Yes, yeah actually melting to the surface. Yeah, it's not even burning. It's just melting at that it's melting to it. And Like, she's done. She's done. just That gun is fused with her hand now. And she's in shock. yeah Exactly. like And so Gina Davis, action star, does not get shock. And she, in fact, grabs the gun off of body, points it, shoots it, but bla is totally awesome. You know why? Because it's a Shane Black action movie. Yes.
01:40:39
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And logic has no place in Shane Black action movies. None. None whatsoever. And we like it that way. and ah Correct. We would have it no other way. That is I mean, that's the that's the kind of suspension of disbelief that I'm willing to engage in, frankly. for sure And it's great. I am. I'm happy beyond happy to turn my brain off for that shit.
01:41:04
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And I love it so much. like this is This is my kind of action movie bullshit, honestly. It just it just is. yeah And again, it it it has that kind of diehard, like little brother, tryhard energy. And that's what I like about it. That really is what I love about it. um The scene where they're in like that like Vegas light kind of hotel,
01:41:32
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And she's like cutting her hair and like dyeing it and putting on her makeup in front of a fogged up mirror. um And then like yeah wiping it away like as though it's the reveal. It's the reveal. It's all about the reveal. She's putting on her makeup probably in the compact mirror and then wiping away the full and then opening and then closing and her hair is completely dyed. And I'm just like, yes, this is this is my bullshit. Like this is the kind of bullshit I absolutely love in an action.
01:42:00
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And I, damn it, if I don't have fun with this movie, like, yeah it's it's fun. Like when, like when she kicked Samuel L. Jackson out of the truck, because he's like, why do you need me anymore? Good like point. And she kicks him out. The fact that the camera stays on Sam and he lay, he laying on the street and lights up his cigarette.
01:42:22
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Well, cars are zooming past him at top speed. And he does nothing different. He just stays there until she comes back around again. Because he knows she's coming back. Like, God, it's so good. No, that's the yeah that's actually the best part. I think he doesn't know. he did Whatever. OK, she kicked me out. I guess this is where I am now. And instead of figuring out what I need to do next, I'm just going to smoke a cigarette. I'm just going to have my cigarette.
01:42:50
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I love it so much. He apparently in the original cut of the movie, they kill Sam Jackson. Yeah, someone in the test screening stands up and yells, you can't kill Sam Jackson there. I agree with him. And so they go, you know what?
01:43:11
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Fair enough. And so they change it so that he lives through the movie. If you did if you killed him, we would have been robbed of that Larry King interview. Exactly. Which is so good. It's it's so funny. And I mean, like you get the feeling that he's going to die when he's like, just do the one good thing, because he's like, I've never done one good thing, one thing right in my whole life. They wrote the movie to have him die.
01:43:38
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Yeah, it's clear, like it's very clear. But then the fact that he doesn't and then ends up saving the day by driving the car out of the back of that truck. Oh, and it's so great. It's so good.
01:43:51
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Okay, so there's three moments that I remember, and I actually I hope I'm not miss remembering the Sam Jackson one. One I Jack when he sees her on the screen in television. ah Craig beer cuss or beer beer.
01:44:08
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yuco beco when he waves at her from the helicopter that he's still alive and he's about to shoot her, and Sam Jackson coming out of the truck. It's all whammy bar on the guitar. It's a big guitar riff with a whammy bar.
01:44:25
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Like, you know, something serious is happening. My bar signals importance. Maybe my favorite moment of the movie is when Sam Jack is driving them through like after the truck has exploded and the cars are flying everywhere. And the little girl goes, don't hit the cars. And he just looks at her like, bitch.
01:44:45
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I just, I lost it. I was laughing so hard. I was like, this is great. This is cinema right here. Sam Jackson, National Treasure. Absolutely. Not everything he has done is great. ah We will talk up we at one point, we will talk about ah Frank Miller's The Spirit on this podcast. It's going to happen. the The only movie I've ever come close to walking out of the theater in. What if I like that, Steven, though? What if I i don't? ah I'm so scared. I'm so scared that I'm going to like it. I hope you do because when are we doing that soon? so I can put it on the schedule whenever. newishsh I'm so scared. That's why I've never watched this weekend in February. It's on the schedule. I just saw Steven write it down. That's why I've never watched it because I'm so afraid that I'm going to like it and I don't want to be that one guy.
01:45:39
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Because nobody there's no there's not a cult following. There's not an ironic meme following. There's nothing. It's just it's an aggressively bad movie. It really is an aggressively bad. What if I like it, though? Oh, so you're saying you're going to become a cult leader. Well, I mean, like, I don't have those kind of talents as much as I know, but I feel like I could do some kind kind of kind of kind of sometimes have those talents. I don't know, man.
01:46:07
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maybe but no what no i do have an opening the first weekend of the first week of february if you want to see i told you you were doing it look at that and yeah let's okay it needs to be done rip the band-aid off i have the question and it's the forcible forcible back to the long kiss good night but it's actually it's i didn't look into this because i depended on the two of you Dangerous. When was this ever going to be a franchise? like what Yes, I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you so much for asking the question. yeah um in Apparently in an early draft of the script, no, in the original script, the last page of the script, Shane Black stated that there would, would be a sequel called The Kiss After Lightning.
01:47:03
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okay His initial conceit for this film was that it would get a sequel. Because again, like given his given his track record up to this point, why what reason would he have not to think that?
01:47:18
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And it's worth mentioning that this is the most the largest amount of money that New Line had spent on a single film. Right up to this point. So this was a big
Financial & Critical Reception
01:47:29
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deal. This was supposed to be because New Line was doing just like like low to mid budget stuff. Like, you know, they started out with the like Last House on the Left, Night Run Out of Street, Evil Dead, stuff like that. Right. That's all cheap. Other stuff. But at up to that point,
01:47:45
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They hadn't made anything over like a mid-budget film and this was their first like...
01:47:50
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Insanely big budget bill film for them and we have and we have these huge action these big Shane black fuck-off action set pieces in this movie that are just like huge and so yeah, like this is this is out completely outside of New Line's wheelhouse at this point and So yeah, why wouldn't they be purchasing this unless there was hope for a sequel at some point?
01:48:17
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Yeah, they had a lot of faith in this to spend that much money on it for for them to spend that much money on it at that time. Look, they had to have Shane Black wasted way too much money on the special effects when Sam Jackson drives his car out of the truck.
01:48:34
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and there is the agent that dives out of the way and the explosion. It is a CGI agent jumping out of the way and his body actually contorts and bounces in the fire. So if if you rented it and have the ability to just to rewatch that scene, please go back and watch that because it's actually comic gold. That's amazing. That's fantastic.
01:49:01
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But yeah, like there was a sequel, like they were apparently working on a sequel in 2007. Shortly after Iron Man 3, Shane Black was trying to get this turned into like a prestige TV show. None of that ever happened. So like at this point, this is all that exists of Blanca's Goodnight. But you can absolutely see Gina Davis and Sam Jack like reuniting for another like balls out action movie. And I would watch it.
01:49:29
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not going to even know I would even if we're like some bullshit Netflix thing just. Yeah. Or maybe get Shane Black in there, do ah not a sequel, but like maybe a spiritual sequel where we get different characters, but maybe they have a similar relationship. They recruited Caitlin. Mm hmm. I mean, she's OK. Other Shane Black movies that I see. But why why couldn't why couldn't they do?
01:49:56
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the Gina Dave, you know, I'm sorry, Charlie, Charlie came back for one last job. Mm hmm. I mean, they've been never done one of those movies. Right. And so an almost retired, ah formerly retired Gina Davis has to come out of retirement. That's with her daughter to save her daughter. That's it the agent who's been compromised. Exactly.
01:50:23
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you just you just in it You just wrote a Shane Black movie. Me and the disenfranchised podcast would be happy to sell you this idea for only $2 million. dollars It is less than you previously did before. Exactly. and i want and I want residuals as well. yep Correct. It doesn't need to be much, just to know just a little bit. and We'll each settle for one percent each, honestly. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. One million and one percent on residuals. I think this is fair. I think this is a very recorded handshake. That's it.
01:50:56
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Those are our terms. Do with that what you will. We've done it. um The Long Kiss Goodnight, gentlemen, comes out on October 11th, 1996. Wow. And yeah, it it opens ah number three that week to $10.2 million. dollars um on its way to a a domestic gross of $33.4 million, dollars which is um about
01:51:28
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ah half of its production budget of 35 or sorry 65 million dollars so it worldwide though it made like almost 90 million right but like I was watching some YouTube videos and someone was like yeah you studios are looking to make 2.5 times the production budget in order to break even Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I mean, back then, I would say it may have been a little different. I think with this one, they probably almost broke even. So not so much a flop as more of a disappointment. like I mean, it's it's it was definitely seen as a flop at the time.
01:52:08
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Like a flop like that CGI. Like the CGI agent. Yeah. Like the guy, yeah. um It opens number three. Number one, a movie I have watched at least three times in my life, a movie that I rented on VHS starring Val Kilmer and Michael Douglas and a big ass fake lion.
01:52:31
Speaker
The Ghost and the Darkness. Oh, is that good? Should I watch that? That was very popular at our high school, Steven. It was. Steven loves that movie. I haven't seen it in decades. Check it out, man. I don't know what to tell you. Could be good. I haven't watched it in decades, so. Those lines are in Chicago, Steven. Them lines, they are. I should go see them. I have. That's why I know this. Right. And I should. Now that I'm here, I should.
01:53:02
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ah In second place, future episode of this podcast, The First Wives Club. ah Oh. so Goldie Hawn, Bette Midler and Diane Keaton. Diane Keaton, I know. I know. Don't sound so put out, Tucker. That's in its fourth weekend and it's at number two. It was down from number one the week before. That movie, a big old hit.
01:53:26
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Um, but even after four weeks, it's still only grossed about 73 million. So like, this is not a big, yeah was people go to the movies time. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, in fourth place, a movie I've never heard of called the chamber. No, it's a ah Gene Hackman, Chris O'Donnell, Faye Dunaway directed by James Foley.
01:53:50
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Barely straight to video. Right. um In fifth place, a a ah mid-90s classic. directorial debut of one Mr. Tom Hanks called That Thing You Do. Oh, I like that movie. We all love that movie. that movie so it's You know what? People use the term feel good movie. They just throw it around a lot. But that's a feel good. I feel good when I watch that movie, you guys. It's a good movie. It's a good movie. I feel good.
01:54:23
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I feel good. and and and and no and no And number six is D3, The Mighty Ducks. What if the Mighty Ducks all went to high school together, basically? What if there was a third Mighty Ducks movie? Yep. Basically. In seventh place, something called The Glimmer Man. It's a Steven Seagal movie. yeah You'll believe a man can glimmer? I doubt I would.
01:54:50
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in as In the title in the tagline.
01:54:56
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You I doubt you'll believe a man can glimmer in eighth place extreme measures. The Hugh Grant Gene Hackman. Yeah, with the that poster. Yeah, it's a classic poster. It is in ninth place. Anna Paquin and Jeff Daniels and fly away home. OK.
01:55:15
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and in 10th place in the picture for 15 weeks in 1996. Ollie, it's a big one. What is it? Come on. It's a big one. Roland Emmerich, it's grossed almost $300 million at this point. Speaking of our good friend Jeff Goldblum, it's a little movie called Independence Day. Oh boy, it's Independence Day. I would say I knew what it was when you said yeah. Oh, oh. Must go faster, must go faster.
01:55:42
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You guys. The second time he says that in the 90s. One of the first things that ever made me cry in a movie was that speech that Bill Paulman gives. We will not go quietly into the night. I'm Stephen. vaughn We will survive. Today we celebrate our Independence Day. Stop it, Stephen. Stop. Stop it right now.
01:56:09
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Oh, for those that don't see it, they're actually both crying tears on one side on the other with white snot coming out of the middle somehow. So that's and now like as as I get older, as I become an older man, I I cry at like a drop of a hat in a movie if it's trying to get me to cry. But that's the first time where like something just like punched me straight into my aorta.
01:56:35
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and like jiggled my body until tears came out. Mine came two years later and I'm almost embarrassed to say what it was. um But I will say it because because this is this is the contract that I've made with our podcasting audience. ah It was Michael Bay's Armageddon. Which part though?
01:56:54
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When Bruce Willis dies. Spoilers for a movie that came out in 1990. That's all right. They intentionally tried to make you cry. So you shouldn't feel bad about that. No, that's manipulating your emotions. That was the intended reaction. yeah As. does i for you I own that movie on criteria and DVD for the for the commentary. It's defensible.
01:57:19
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Cause that's the commentary where Ben Affleck is just like not giving a shit. He's really drunk. He's drunk as hell. He's really drunk. in that That's the drunkest I've ever heard anyone on a commentary. But they paid him to share his memories. Exactly. And boy, howdy.
01:57:37
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It's the version I rented from the library. And um I saw it at a half price books and there was not a price I was not willing to pay for that movie. Fortunately, they didn't want much. So it was it was easy to do.
01:57:51
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I don't really care for that movie, though I I I'd like Michael Bay in some context, but I don't really care for that movie, but that commentary. Michael Bay has two movies in the Criterion Collection, and I own the Criterion Editions of both The Rock and Armageddon. I own both in the Criterion Edition. The Rock's a good one. The Rock. Welcome to the Rock. Very special place in my heart. I had a truck that I named Stanley Goodspeed.
01:58:18
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Once that was a good name for a truck. It's a good name for a truck. Yeah. ah The Tomatometer score on Long Kiss Goodnight is a 68 percent. ah The critics consensus. No. Sharp low, isn't it? Smart, sharp, wooded and fueled by enjoyably over the top action. Excuse me. The Long Kiss Goodnight makes up an impact what it lacks in consistent aim.
01:58:46
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Which, but nobody got into it for consistent aim. Yeah, I don't completely disagree with that. It's just not relevant. Yep. Well put. Fuck off. Well put. um The Metascore is a 43 based on mixed or average reviews from 20 critics. And Tucker, it would you care to take a stab at the ah letterbox score for the long kiss? Good night.
01:59:14
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I am not gonna be precious about this one. I think that as much as I give the Letterbox community shit for being just meme reviews, I think they're gonna come through respectable on this one. I think it's gonna be somewhere between a... Adjust for memes. 3.7 and 4.1.
01:59:45
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It is a 3.4. Oh, fuck you. Fuck you, letterboxed. You motherfuckers. Ooh, I hate you. All you motherfuckers on letterboxed. Ooh, get off my lawn with your meme reviews. Messing up the- Tucker over here. You are the ones who are the ball lickers. Yes.
02:00:12
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Get outta here. so With your four point, or three point, what'd you say, 3.3? I said 3.4, 3.4, is what it is at the time of this recording. Shame. Shame. No, Shane Black is the guy who wrote this movie. i Yeah, Shane Black. There you go. You right, you right. You right. Andrew, as our guest, how would you, out of five stars, rate 1996's The Long Kiss Goodnight?
02:00:41
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it It would get active. So I was trying to guess and I totally forgot the decimal game. I was thinking they were going to fall at three because I think I would have put it higher.
02:00:54
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at 3.5, but that was me just going with the, I either get a three, a three, five, or a four. right It doesn't hit four for me. I actually would probably go with a three, seven, or a three, eight personally, if I was allowed to to pick some additional decimal places. I'll give you a 3.5. That's what I'll give you. I'll give you a 3.5.
02:01:16
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It is such a fun movie. And if you have your expectations set lower than, you know, and I said, I said, you know, this is like not just for Brian Cox, but the predecessor of what movies like the Bourne movies would become. Right. It's not as clean. It is not as as crisp no definitely but it holds up and it's entertaining and if you come into it wanting just a fun adventure thriller then you've got that right absolutely absolutely tucker what about yourself this is going to be a three from me though i almost want to give it a 3.5 because i know that if if i were reviewing this when it came out
02:02:03
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When I was the age that I was when it came out, it would be a solid four. So I think I think I'm going to give it a three point five. Hell, yeah, because I'm going to I'm going to throw a little stank on it for past me because that really sucks for him not seeing that, you know, that whole time just hanging out, not knowing this movie existed or not, at least not watching it.
02:02:27
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So the first time I watched this movie back in 2020, I gave it three stars. This time I'm giving it three and a half. I'm doing a 3.5 on this one. Wow, solid 3.5 all across the board.
02:02:41
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ah So I mean that that for me, that's that's kind of right, right where it is, which gives us all like a 3.58. So like just about a three and a half average between the three of us. So which sounds about right, objectively, honestly, respectable. um Yeah, this would be what a fun movie. And honestly, um may all your holidays be as great as this movie.
02:03:02
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Frankly, you know what? as i You know what? I know we're trying to wrap this up, but I just realized this um the cinematography of this movie um it was It was like it was shot to be converted into 4.3 pan and scan um I don't know why I just thought of that but That was Did you notice that at all? It just seemed like there weren't as many wide shots as you would get in something or really in anything. It just seemed like what I'm trying to say in a roundabout way is that I kind of want to watch this on VHS in full screen because I think
02:03:51
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there i'm I don't think VHS is a good format, but I think some films lend themselves to that format. And I think maybe in a weird way, this would be a fun movie for that format, just because of the way it's shot. like When I was watching it, I was like, oh, that would be so easy to pan and scan. Like they're already doing it and nothing is too wide. So you can always trim this off. You can trim that off. And I don't think it's a detriment to the film. It's just, it just seems like a strange way to film something. I don't know. It's not out to me.
02:04:32
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No, it didn't, and you're not wrong, because I think there's this reality that when we see some things, and I'll say before the area of the era of prestige television, um
02:04:45
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wow. I'll cut that out. Your network shows, yeah, you don't have to, we're human here. Your network shows always have a tighter look, like you can always tell the shot for network television, you know, and it's it's pretty tight around the main actors. And then you got the close up of the faces and, you know, and it kind of stays there. And there isn't a lot of scenery, there isn't a lot of you only need the scenery just to set the context. And then once you get that establishing shot, you're on faces and everything. So when you watch this movie,
02:05:24
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they do a lot more scenery shots, right? So it's not just established scenery and all faces, but at the same time, you're not pulling all the actors who are all around into the shot. It's two or three people. You get yeah get you get your two or three people, you get your three or four, and that's it. And actually, I think it i think it's kind of brilliant because it is shot in scope, which is like the the thinnest and the widest.
02:05:51
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way that you can shoot on film, but it does lend itself to the exact opposite of that, which is like the four by three pan and scan. I just think that's it's wild. Something I observed. Sorry. ah I didn't mean that observation. I didn't mean to put us on a tangent like when we were past actually talking about the movie.
02:06:11
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But it was something that just like struck me as so odd when I was watching it. And then I just remembered. So anyway, I mean, you want to start if if the editor wants to splice it and put it earlier, the editor can do that. He's not kind of though. I might. I know how much time I have. That's fair. I know how this work. um I only i I don't edit our podcast like I.
02:06:37
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I do when I have time or when it's necessary. Last week's episode, which I'm so disappointed that it's not really doing well on YouTube and it's doing kind of substandard numbers on the podcatchers because I put almost six hours into that. edge Oh, buddy. Yeah, it's unbelievable. That is a masterclass in editing what he did on our Madam Web episode.
02:07:04
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It like the entire time, the entire time we're talking over each other because Brett hasn't recorded with us in a couple of months. So we're kind of just kind of all over the place. And boy, I challenge you to hear anybody talking over each other in that episode.
02:07:22
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It doesn't happen like that. That is, again, a master class of editing
Podcast Promotion & Special Episodes
02:07:26
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there. So I ah I pre apologize for the editing you'll have to do on me over talking to you multiple times, Tucker, that I saw and I heard myself and we were both so excited about our points that we just kept going. Well, now I'll do it. It's the it's what I expect. No, there's no reason to apologize because that's kind of how this show is. So I've kind of expected.
02:07:49
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Sort of. Sometimes I have time to make it sound better than others, but sometimes I can really get in there and spend some time and clean it up and make it sound good. What about them socials, Steven?
02:08:02
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What about them socials, Tucker? We are the disenfranchised podcast. You can find us wherever you get your podcasts. And hey, while you're out there listening to us on your podcast of choice, if if your podcatcher allows for it, ah why don't you leave us a review? Why not? ah Five stars, please and thank you.
02:08:20
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Um, go ahead and do that. And, um, yeah, you can, uh, shoot us an email to some French pod at gmail dot.com. Let us know how we're doing, what failed franchise starters you'd like to see us cover. We've covered, this is our 200 and what 13th movie that we've covered for the main feed. So yeah, there's, we've got a lot of episodes, you guys, I don't know if there are new view viewers or listeners that don't realize.
02:08:46
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It's just that's a lot of content, the depth of the lore, the disenfranchised lore that exists and not just and it's a good transition into the Patreon because not only do you have like what, 213 episodes of this show, but then you have days, weeks, months of content on the Patreon. Correct. Our literal hours. And look, we've got two tiers on the Patreon.
02:09:14
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Sure. For the paid members, at least. We've got we've got two tiers on the Patreon. We've got the the paid tier, which is five bucks a month, which gives you access to shows like the aforementioned Uninfranchised, Disson 5 Chised, Upsall Video Game Corner, Upsall Christianity Corner. And what are we watching, which we finally recorded a new episode of this past week. It is dropped today. Right now to the day we are recording.
02:09:40
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is when it dropped and you can listen to us talk about all the television shows that Brett and I have watched in the last six months. And me also, I also said the ones that I had watched as well. And Tucker, but he got his own episode like a month ago where he got to talk about all that. So his list is a lot shorter.
02:09:55
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um But yeah, you can you can absolutely ah listen to that right now, patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod. And then there's also the free tier where you can join the official conversation of the disenfranchised podcast. Main feed episodes drop to that feed weekly, and Tucker and I actually respond in that feed. So you can you can get ah both of us commenting on your posts there.
02:10:19
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um And again, all that is to be found over at patreon dot.com slash disenfranch pod. You can find us we're on ah a lot of forms of social media. What is it? It's blue sky, it's letterboxed, it's YouTube, it's and gra Instagram, not not Twitter, fuck Twitter. um But all those other ones at disenfranch pod.
02:10:42
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um You can find us at all of those. ah Feel free to reach out, say, hey, we've actually gotten quite a few new followers over at Blue Sky lately, which is really, really great. Yeah, I think someone added us to like a podcast list. And so you can like just follow like a list. And we're apparently on it because we we're getting a decent amount of followers over there right now, which is kind of cool. God love those starter packs. Love them. Love them so much. And that someone put us on one of those. God bless whoever did that, because it wasn't me. I can assure you, it was not me. But God bless whoever did that. If it was Mike's Newton. God, I love that man. Mike, you're the best. I love you.
02:11:21
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um We're gonna have him on the podcast in February ah for our Valentine's Day episode. I already know what it is, it's gonna be great. um ah But yeah, um Andrew, where can we find you on social media these days? Tell us about what's coming you know what's coming up and going on over on the Physiology podcast. um So you can find me ah at the Discfan, at, well, at the Discfan, BSky,
02:11:49
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dot socials, whatever the handle is. I still haven't gotten the hang of saying that quickly, but I'm the disc fan. Disc with a C. Disc with a C. The Ephesiology Podcast is a podcast dedicated to the study of the early Christian movement and its implications for the church today. So Jesus Guy, Jesus Follower, very churchy podcast for those who are interested. Certainly you can chase after that.
02:12:17
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ah Dabbing our toes in some archaeology type stuff as well as What does it look like to actually follow Christ in your context? So these are forthcoming things. This will be next year awesome So you can you can check it out if that's your bag. Otherwise, I would love the interaction on all blue sky right on Fantastic. As your host, Steven Foxworthy, you can find me on ah Blue Sky Instagram and letterboxed at chewywalrus. You can find our absent friend Brett Wright, who has recently woken up not really remembering too much about himself on a cliff ah somewhere in the eastern United States. Because Oscar Isaac's there.
02:13:03
Speaker
No, that's the other one I Jack found. Right. That's the other one. Yeah, that's the other one. Sorry. um You can find him at suswarlock on Blue Sky, sus underscore warlock at Letterboxd and Instagram. ah Tucker, where could we find you these days? You can find me on Instagram but and YouTube. but at Ice 909, that's I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine. um Also, tuckmugs, I guess, is still a thing. Tuck underscore mugs, I guess we'll see. um I mean, it's never truly dead, but I don't know how long it's gonna be until there's another post. I hope it's soon. I guess I just i should just eat some soup. That's what it is. that's why I have a mug. I have a mug.
02:13:52
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I have a pint glass too, but I don't really use pint glasses this time of year. I pretty much just use the Sam Adams one that are the perfect pint glass that I got in Massachusetts. I just can it. It's it's a can thing, you know? right Cans are fine. Cans are fine? You just won't see them on tuck mugs very much.
02:14:14
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No, like I mean, maybe if it's sitting next to like something that is holding the liquid that used to be in that can, that would be permissible for Tuckmugs. That has happened a few times. But yeah, don't count Tuckmugs out like we're we're just kind of chilling like we'll be back. I would never I would never count out Tuckmugs. We'll be back. Tuckmugs is we're good. Watch out for Tuckmugs. Tuck underscore Mugs Instagram.
02:14:43
Speaker
Maybe we'll come back. That's the new tagline. Tuck mugs, maybe we'll come back. Maybe we will. Maybe we will. Maybe I'm logging into the account right now just to see what's going on.
02:14:55
Speaker
Oh, crap. I don't know if that tagline is as good as the glimmering, though. Are you telling me, though, Stephen, that you don't even know if people have sent us guest mugs because you haven't logged into that account, dude? I mean, the social media media manager hasn't logged into that account. That's definitely not you. Not since he got a new phone. Wow. That was a while ago. It's been a hot minute.
02:15:22
Speaker
Well, you know it's not like we've had a lot of lot of activity. so Well, I will say one more thing about Tuckmugs before we move on. And that is that if you would like to submit a guest mug, if you are a fan or if for some reason me talking about it just now has made you interested enough to check it out and you like it and you want to submit a guest mug, send it to us at the email. Steven mentioned it earlier, disenfranchised.
02:15:48
Speaker
disenfranchpod at gmail dot.com. That's the one you can send it as a direct message to us on Instagram at talk underscore mugs. So send us guest mugs. Tell me tell me about your mug and like straight up what's in it and like let me look at it. That's all I want. Just let me see it, though. No big whoop. I'm just trying to look at it. OK, but like, let me see it, though.
02:16:14
Speaker
Like Sam Jackson and that gal that was running down the street. It's the same kind of thing, but with mugs. Not jugs, mugs. Mugs, not jugs. There it is. There it is. And that's the new Tuck Bug slogan. Mugs, not jugs.
02:16:32
Speaker
any Anyway. Anyway. We've we've kind of stumbled bassacwards into the end of our episode. I love it. and Andrew, thank you for slumming it here on our heathen podcast. We we appreciate you so much and we will absolutely get you on for Confess Fletch if you want me to resend the documents so you know what else we can cover. I will we'll try to get you on just as soon as we possibly can for whatever you want to cover.
02:17:00
Speaker
Love hanging with you guys. Absolutely. love talking good Good, entertaining, hilarious, wonderful film. Correct. same yeah as As do we. And so with that having been said, this has been the disenfranchised podcast for my co-host Tucker, the absent Brett Wright in the very present, very special Andrew Johnson. Until next time.
02:17:25
Speaker
Um, I meant to have a quote from the movie here and I forgot to find one. There it is. I was I was going to say, you should just say it's a duck. The chef's do that, though. There you go. There it is. There it is. You've truly done it. yeah We did it. Goodbye. We did it. Bye, everybody.