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“What happened to your face?”
For Week 3 of our American Superhero theme month, we’re headed back to the wild, wild West for an unlikely comics hero! While we work on talking around the movie, Brett and Tucker geek out about “Supernatural,” Brett breaks down the deep lore of Jonah Hex, the boys gush about the SNL 50 weekend presentations, and Tucker and Brett try to make sense of the Silent Hill video game and film franchises. Join us, won’t you?
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Transcript
Chaotic and Humorous Introduction
00:00:22
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The franchise rights alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams. Things I want to say. It's right. it's It's like when you're so full and you can't swallow, so you can't take another bite.
00:00:33
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like Everything I have to say about this movie is like rants and topple my throat right now. Anyway, sorry, Steven. Please introduce this podcast. Take it away.
00:00:45
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Thank you for your permission. i appreciate it. Oh, God. um
00:00:56
Speaker
i don't even know how to start this thing. no We get a cold open and he doesn't know how to start the podcast. I gave you time, Steven. I know. i That's why I hadn't hit record yet because I was looking for a fucking quote to open this thing with and you're just like, hit record now. And I'm like, fine.
00:01:11
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do You asked for this. This is your fault.
Theme and Co-host Introduction
00:01:15
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Wowzers, yeah. Yeehaw, Western. Yeehaw. Yeehaw. There's a snake in my boots. It's the Disenfranchise Podcast. All right.
00:01:27
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We're that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film. i am your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me, as always, the man who we always wonder how he gets through life with a face like that, it's Tucker. Hey, Tucker.
00:01:46
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oh hi, Stephen. How's it going? Oh, it goes. It goes. That's good. It's very very windy here tonight. um So if I just drop out and you don't hear from me for a while, it's because my power went out and I'm outside digging out my generator.
00:02:08
Speaker
Sounds fun. So we got the generator set up this year, um but it's just sitting outside. And we didn't think to like put it under something. No, why would you? And now it's, and it hasn't gotten below like 30 degrees in a month here. And the snow has just been like piling on.
00:02:28
Speaker
So it's under about three feet of snow right now, my generator. So I really hope my electricity doesn't go out. ah We also hope that that would not be the first time that's happened. And yeah.
00:02:41
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So every time I hear that gust of wind, I'm like, oh shit, is this the one? Is this it? So far, it's been fine, though. Also, joining me tonight, ah the man who looks at five coffins and thinks it should probably be eight, especially after spending time with us.
00:03:02
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It's our very good friend, Brett Wright. Hey, Brett, how's it going tonight, buddy? Hello,
Brett's Movie Criticism
00:03:08
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Steven. There it is. ah salve for my weary soul. Yes, I did.
00:03:14
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Truly, we love to hear it. Brett, always a pleasure to have you back. And thank you for joining us on this most auspicious episode. is this ah Why?
00:03:25
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Why is it? Because you're here. That's why it's auspicious. Oh, okay. I thought there was some other reason they were covering this terrible movie. Which, spoilers, I didn't finish it.
00:03:36
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I'm going to tell you all right now. Then you missed the worst part, Brett. Look, man, I got a lot of shitty things to say about the first hour of this movie. and Which is the bearable one. Honestly, that's the bearable part of the movie. I saw the writing on the wall. I was like, this could only go down from here. And I got work to do, and I don't have the mental capacity for this. So I didn't i didn't finish it. Look, much like David Spade in his SNL 50 sketch. I got gist.
00:04:08
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ah sc
00:04:11
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ah like it' exist Just sat down. um and and but I'm going to be honest here, Brett. That's that's the the the wildest thing is that this is probably one of the shortest movies we've ever covered for the podcast.
00:04:25
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Poodie Tang is 10 minutes shorter. Oh my, Poodie Tang is, that's barely a feature. Good Lord. i know. This movie is 80 minutes long. But God, I'd rather watch Poodie Tang like five times.
Western Setting and Director's Background
00:04:38
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I mean, i I too would also much rather then then then watch Tang. Than watch this film, which is very upsetting. But we all know how... upset I get about, you know, adaptation movies completely throwing out the source material.
00:04:53
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Yeah. Just chucking the source material out the window. i mean, for the most part, yeah. I mean, they keep they keep some things, like there's a guy named Jonah Hex, who has a distributed face.
00:05:05
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that He's in the Old West. Yeah. And he fought in the Civil War. Yeah. For the Confederacy. For both sides for a minute. That's what they don't mention. Right. He's he's sort of, he's a traitor to both sides.
00:05:19
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That's, yeah, that's his whole thing. Yeah. But he, don't know. Nevermind. We'll get into that later. i got too much to say. i time to stay yeah i can't fucking wait, Brett. I'm so excited. I'm glad you're here to cover 2010's Jonah Hex, film directed by Jimmy Hayward in his live action film debut.
00:05:45
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Jimmy Hayward. Who dat?
00:05:50
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That is the director of this film. We're going to get into him more. Yeah, but... With a screenplay by Neville Dean and Taylor, starring Josh Brolin, John Malkovich, Megan Fox, Michael Fassbender, Will Arnett, Michael Shannon, blinking, you fucking miss Michael Shannon in this movie.
00:06:08
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Although I don't know how anyone could miss Michael Shannon than in this movie. Wes Bentley, Aidan Quinn, the great, and the late, great Lance Reddick... John Gallagher Jr., Tom Wopat, Julia Jones, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, and yes, that's that is him, Rance Howard.
00:06:30
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This fucking cast does not deserve this movie. This cast is The movie doesn't deserve this movie. Either way. It doesn't matter. The movie doesn't deserve this cast. The cast does not deserve this movie on their resumes, I think is what he was trying to say.
Themed Months and TV Diversion
00:06:45
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i see let's see. This movie doesn't deserve to exist. There, about that? um Yeah, so Jimmy Hayward, let's let's answer your initial question, Tucker. Jimmy Hayward was a Pixar animator.
00:06:58
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ah he had He had worked on a Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo. That always goes well, doesn't it? Brad, like, Tomorrowland, John Carter, huh, huh. I was going to say, yeah. when those Now, Brad Bird did direct a pretty serviceable Mission Impossible film, so I will give him that.
00:07:21
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Which one did he do? He did, i think, those Ghost Protocol. No, that was J.J. Abrams. He did Ghost Protocol. The one where he had to hold his breath for a long time?
00:07:32
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I think so, yeah. Okay. I only remember the ones based on their stunts and when henrynd Henry Cavill cocks his fists. I fucking love that. and I love it so much. Fucking rad as shit.
00:07:45
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ah yeah So cool. And there's like an explanation behind it and everything. like Oh, yeah. he has if There's interviews with him where he's like explaining and you're like, I believe you. You didn't even have to tell
Jonah Hex Origins and Character Arc
00:07:56
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me I believe you. Henry Cavill, it just looks fucking rad. you Just shut up and let us enjoy it. Just sit down, son. It's so cool.
00:08:03
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You're doing great. um And then his his he did ah sequence editor or yeah sequence director for a future episode of this podcast, Robots. Who buts?
00:08:14
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Robots. ah The Ewan McGregor animated film where he's a robot. There's a... Wait, isn't ah Robin Williams in that? um I think yes. And Halle Berry and Mel Brooks and Greg Kinnear. Two summers ago, ah my friend Ray, who used to work here, um we were listening to... I was listening to my playlist that has just like every song I like on it. it There's thousands of songs on this playlist.
00:08:43
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And I'll shuffle it sometimes. And um straight up, um Tom Waits came on. 16 Shells from a thirty ah six Fucking a Love Tom Waits.
00:08:54
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And she was like, wait, this sounds like the robots guy. I'm like, fuck you mean the robots guy. And apparently has like a... I would have accepted the mystery men guy.
00:09:08
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wrist cutters. The wrist cutters guy. He was good in that too. Even the domino guy I would accept. The coffee and cigarettes guy? That too, yes. Yeah.
00:09:20
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bill but Groundhog Day, Ghostbusting Ass, Bill Murray.
00:09:26
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Fucking coffee and cigarettes. I love Tom Waits. Tom Waits is the man. yeah Swordfish Trombones is a top five album of all time for me. That's a really good record, yeah. It's fucking great album. I couldn't believe that that someone knew Tom Waits from a children's movie. That just struck me as...
00:09:44
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Really wild. Yeah, that's bizarre. That's really awesome. on Tom Waits? Oh, Robots. Robots. His directorial debut is future episode of this podcast, Horton Hears a Who.
00:09:56
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Really? Yes. He follows that up with this movie. This is his second film ever. And then his third and likely final film, um or potentially final film, is the 2013 film Free Birds, which I don't know if we'll cover on this podcast or not. It's the turkey movie. It's with turkeys?
00:10:18
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Yes, correct. With Indy Polar and Woody Harrelson and Owen Wilson, yes. But do like Chicken Run. And then he got diagnosed with cancer in 2023 with bone cancer. That's odd.
00:10:31
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with bone cats And um did actually end up surviving, has now been declared cancer-free, which we love. Good job, Jimmy.
00:10:42
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ah We don't like this movie, but we like you. i so and Speak for yourselves. Speak for yourselves, because... i am i don't I don't care about this movie. like Here's the weird thing about this movie.
00:10:55
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I had a really good time watching it, and there were particular parts where I was like, man, that's pretty cool. And that's real dumb, but like I'm kind of rolling with it because it's also kind of cool.
00:11:07
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But...
00:11:11
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it's um It's a mess. It's it's definitely that. kind of lost my train of thought there. I had a bigger point. is If somebody took was like, hey, like they took the Wild Wild West move, somebody's like, hey, could you make Wild Wild West again? And they were like, sure.
00:11:30
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like Let me let me copy copy your homework, but don't like make it obvious. it I was getting mad Wild Wild West. but The only difference is Kenneth Branagh is having a good time, and John Malkovich is not.
00:11:42
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Well, the another difference is, I remembered what I was saying before, is that um I lost it again, you guys. I straight up lost it again right then.
00:11:54
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Can you believe that? Do you have a pen? I haven't hit it once. It's just sitting there. A pen that you can write an idea down with once the thought occurs to you. Actually, i have notes about things I do want to say about this movie.
00:12:10
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Just not thing that you've been trying to say for 10 minutes?
Cinematography and Comic Lore
00:12:13
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No, because it comes and as I'm building it up again, it goes away. Just it. It's happened three times while we've been talking in the last like 20 seconds.
00:12:22
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Just fucking say it and then double back to build it oh build it back up. The thing is, I had a really good time watching this movie, but as soon as it was over, I didn't give a fuck about it. Right.
00:12:33
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I will never think if I if we hadn't if we weren't doing this podcast about it, I would never think of it again. had a blast. That's why I felt like I was like, hey, I should put down some notes because this is going to like go right out the back of my brain as soon as the credits start rolling.
00:12:49
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Yeah, it's it's super duper disposable. So disposable in a way that's almost frustrating. Right. But I still think. that it would be worth revisiting as a triple feature with Maverick and Wild Wild West.
00:13:05
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And I don't know what order I'd put them in. As the worst of those three movies? Agreed. No, it is ah objectively, yeah, it is. But I think it would. order is Maverick, Wild Wild West, and way down, like down further than the other two, like go a little bit, like maybe a few miles lower. Subterranean. We're underground. i' See, in watch order, though, i'm go i'm I'm going the opposite way. I'm starting with Jonah Hex so I can get the worst one out the way first, then going Wild Wild West, then Maverick.
00:13:37
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you don't want You don't want the last memory of that trilogy to be this. well Not that this will inspire memory. No, that's the thing. is I think it would be better the other way around where you watch Maverick first and then Wild Wild West and then Jonah Hex because you start with something good and kind of grounded.
00:14:00
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You move on to Wild Wild West, which gets silly and kind of not good. but still really enjoyable to ease you in into Jonah Hex, which is, it's everything that made those other two films fun to watch.
00:14:15
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It's that just like strained through the filters so much, but it's still very much the same vibe. You know what I mean? That's what saying.
00:14:26
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And the soundtrack boys, what was that psych doom metal soundtrack doing in this movie? Well, apparently Jimmy Hayward's a big Mastodon fan. That was, i don't know. i I understand how that would take some people out of it.
00:14:42
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And I get why maybe it doesn't work, but boy, it was working for me. There
Creative Decisions and Soundtrack Debate
00:14:47
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are times when it worked, but most of the time I could i could have just left it. i So much fuzz on that bass. It was only one of the only times I've had to turn my soundbar down while watching a movie just because that bass was so dirty, dude. It was nasty. It was really gross. And I do love a nasty tone.
00:15:07
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You do. So like just tonally speaking, with the music, I was i was set up to to enjoy It was really kind of blowing my mind. So this is week three of our four week um American superheroes kind of theme month. Our first of probably two or three consecutive theme months that we have on the books right now. Yeah. Yeah.
00:15:32
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Yeah, next next month is a Brett-centric theme month. Wink. And then the month after that, also a Brett-centric theme month. Wink. We're doing everything we can to get Brett back in the back in the driver's seat here. Ladies gentlemen, it's the first time hearing about this.
00:15:47
Speaker
No, it's not, because you chose everything we're covering next month. told this for the first time right here on the podcast. I literally said for the theme month next month, I said, give me four movies in this particular subgenre, and you handpicked the four.
00:16:05
Speaker
Cool, yeah. I don't remember any of that. Cool. I think I'm sick in April. I think I'm scheduled to be sick in April. so dip man I don't know if I can make it to any of those recordings, dude. So what's going on? Hold on. Let me just check and go breath taking the Brett checking the calendar in real time. I love this. It's the easiest way for me to figure out what the hell's going on here. April,
00:16:32
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yeah All four of those. March. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense too. Actually. Yeah. Yeah. No, that yeah March totally makes sense. I get that. Yeah. Yeah. first picked allie thoughs bret Yeah. That makes sense. um The first half of April, I'm not sick, but the second half, I'm definitely sick.
00:16:51
Speaker
Well, one of those we're going have to switch out because one of our guests had to cancel in air in early April. no i mean, I made the, like the last episode of April, I could see me choosing, but the other three, I'm not really sure what you're talking I mean, I picked those, but the whole theme month is Brett theme month. Yeah, really, no, march is march is March is my month, really. It's just... It is.
00:17:17
Speaker
Yeah, I guess I gotta be there for all of those, don't I? I mean, it would be nice. It would be nice if you could be there for all of March and all of April, honestly.
Performance Critiques and Genre Comparisons
00:17:28
Speaker
We'll see about April, but I got a lot going on in April, but we'll see about March. We'll see.
00:17:34
Speaker
April is the cruelest month. And blue is the warmest color. What? Um... So what is everyone's history with the character and comics of Jonah Hex? Brett, you seem and like... left you ah So let me start by saying that I have been a Jonah Hex fan for quite some time.
00:17:55
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Fucking a um Now, I mean, to be fair, I was not... I mean, I got in in the 90s like I did for everything comic book-based.
00:18:05
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um So, like, I came in... when ah when would if i recall my memory's real shit so people forgive me um when he was starting to interact with the rest of the dc universe because of some crises on various infinite earths um and some time travel fuckery um We do love that time travel fuckery.
00:18:33
Speaker
ah So, and and, you know, me being a fan of the Western genre, ah mainly the spaghetti Western variety, but that's, I mean, that's where Jonah Hex firmly falls.
00:18:46
Speaker
um Or though the weird West um or the dark West, whatever genre you want to call it. Um, it's just, which is just, you know, Western stories with supernatural shit.
00:18:59
Speaker
Right. Um, you do love that supernatural shit. I do. Um, shout out Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Uh, saving people, hunting things, the family business, family business. Um,
00:19:14
Speaker
Which I got that drilled into my head because Ash and I are watching through Supernatural. Her for the first time. Yes. The millionth time. Oh, yes. Where are you? I stopped at season five when I did my watch a few years ago. I really don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
00:19:29
Speaker
It's a canonical ending of the show. It gets better, Stephen. It gets so much better. It turns into a well-oiled machine. well Well, sometimes it does.
00:19:41
Speaker
And then other times well-oiled machine falls apart for a little bit. And then and they put it back together. and it's well-oiled machine again. the the first half of season seven sucks. Outside of that, it just keeps getting better.
00:19:56
Speaker
If Mitch Pileggi's there, just like turn around and walk the other way. But whenever he's not there, which hurts me because I love Mitch love Mitch Pileggi. Mitch Pileggi's my boy.
00:20:07
Speaker
He's the best. But like that first half a season seven, woof. Go fuck out of here, Grandpa. Damn. Yeah. is I mean, there's, there's, yeah.
00:20:17
Speaker
but Like i guess it gets, it stops taking itself like oh look over the course of the series, it stops taking itself seriously more and more and more until you get to the Scooby-Doo episode. And then it's just like complete off the wall bullshit.
00:20:31
Speaker
And it's great. It's a hundred percent. Great. I love it. But we're on we're halfway through season two right now. okay So, you know.
00:20:42
Speaker
She wasn't a huge fan of season one because it season one really takes itself too seriously. It it drags a bit. It surely does. um But anyway, well, I think if if you don't have season one to set up all of those emotions, the the relationship between Sam and Dean, the sillier stuff doesn't come off as sincere as it would without it.
00:21:05
Speaker
And I think that's why the latter seasons. They do all that silly shit, but it never really feels like they jumped the shark because the characters are so grounded. and Those relationships are still like very strong and easy to see. That's why I say a well-oiled machine because these motherfuckers, they could do this show in their sleep and it would still be phenomenal.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah. COVID killed the ending though. Jumping the shark. did Yeah. It's a called jumping with sherk it's pretty funny. The French mistake is my favorite.
00:21:34
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good b COVID did kill the ending. The ending we were supposed to get sounded amazing. So much better. yeah so thanks Thanks to COVID, nobody's happy about it.
00:21:45
Speaker
But anyway, back to what I was doing. Sorry, I forget about Supernatural sometimes and when somebody brings it up, I'm like, oh fuck, I love that so much. So, Stephen, we encourage you to watch the other ten seasons after season five. Who the fuck has time to watch ten seasons of television? Good lord.
00:22:04
Speaker
we do, apparently. Apparently. Those are like 22 episode seasons, too. just you watch an episode or two while you're eating dinner and you're you're good like what i mean come on it's fine you don't have to like binge it like yeah you don't have binge it could take you years no big whoop it took them years to make it like after season three i watched it as it aired so your boy was his ass on the couch for about half of that and then just streaming at the rest Yeah. We're probably... if If she doesn't get burnt out, if she doesn't tap out of it, like I did Game Thrones at the end, i tapped out of Game of Thrones in season six. Six? Six?
00:22:46
Speaker
um But as long as she doesn't tap out at some point, then we're watching Supernatural for like maybe the rest of our lives. Who knows? and that And that episode from the from the perspective of the car, like they just. Oh, God, that's such a good episode. Like you think that like an episode from the perspective of their car would not be good. But God it's so good.
00:23:08
Speaker
That's the thing about, another thing about them being on for so long is they've done everything. So in the later seasons, they get so fucking creative. And I mean, some of the times they miss, but most of the time boy, it's, it's real, real good.
00:23:23
Speaker
It's wow. Just, just thinking about watching that show makes me happy because like I had such a good time watching it. Huh? I miss my boys. I do. yeah I miss those Winchester boys.
00:23:36
Speaker
Look, Steven. We promise. you you You'd like it. You'd have a good time. like I enjoyed the first five seasons. i just look up the ten more i looked at the rest of the order and I went, you know what?
00:23:50
Speaker
I don't have time for that. You're a third of the way there. I'm okay. I'm okay. don't know. All right. Well, Tucker and I disagree. so you're outvoted. So you now have to watch. What else is you new? Tucker are playing on something. Don't you just love it when I'm back?
00:24:15
Speaker
That never happens. It's great. Anyway, Jonah Hex. Jonah Hex. We're back to Jonah Hex, unfortunately. So anyway, let me just start by saying he never had the ability to speak to the dead in the comics. What the fuck was that?
00:24:34
Speaker
What? Because apparently they they they just had to give him something cool because he's a quote-unquote DC
Production Choices and Actor Analysis
00:24:44
Speaker
superhero. i was going to say, it's a comic book movie, so he has to have powers. He can't just be a badass gunslinger guy like he is in the comics.
00:24:54
Speaker
nobody He has to have some sort of special power. Not that it really makes a lot of impact on the plot here, but yeah. It's fun. It's a fun power. Yeah, like, if if this if this movie hadn't been named Jonah Hex, I bet I would have liked it more.
00:25:09
Speaker
I really liked how he brought back that guy's brother, and, like, they had a very, like, reasonable conversation, even though there was, like, a lot of emotion between them.
00:25:21
Speaker
Like, they were still both very reasonable while they were talking, but, like, you could... You guys, this movie has so much potential. i think this is I think this is another one of those movies like Blair Witch 2.
00:25:33
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is It's not that it's good. It's just that when I watch it, I see how good it could be. like I'm like, man, the potential on this motherfucker. Maybe that's your superpower. You can see a movie's potential.
00:25:45
Speaker
I agree. This does have potential, but when I look at it, I see all the potential it wasted rather than all the potential it has. So many good ideas just ruined by so many inconsistencies.
00:25:58
Speaker
By a bunch of bullshit. I mean, artistic inconsistencies. I mean, like the cinematography and the editing in this movie are so inconsistent. One minute, it'll be something where you're like, that's kind of a cool shot. And that was a really cool transition. And then the next minute, it's like, did these do these people even know what they're doing?
00:26:19
Speaker
Well, and there was, we'll get into it, but there's a lot of behind the scenes shit on this movie that is, that I think is is part of the reason why it fails as spectacularly as it does.
00:26:30
Speaker
This is like, you know, in Hook, when the one lost boy is like, there you are, Peter. And like, that's me with this movie. Like, it's not what it should be, but can see it. And then I'm like, there you are, a good movie.
00:26:43
Speaker
I see you in there. i know not everybody can, but I see Tucker's like smashing all the wrinkles down on this movie. yeah There's too many. There's too many. Sorry, Brett. Continue. This is what I'm here for, to keep us on track. I apologize for Tucker's behavior. He is very big, very rooted and sensitive tonight. I'm the worst.
00:27:08
Speaker
I dare you. um Anyway, um I come back to the show and this is the welcome I get. I was going to say, Brett, like you asked how we do it without you. i will tell you not well, not well at all. That's what I've heard.
00:27:24
Speaker
We are. yeah
00:27:28
Speaker
like, I haven't heard anything. don't listen to this show. anyway
00:27:37
Speaker
But anyway, look, and I mean, I did read up on the end of this movie. I hear that Megan Fox's character is actually character from the comics, and that makes me even angrier. Yeah.
00:27:48
Speaker
Ish. What? They have the same name. i mean, they don't look the same at all. And it's really just the, the writers probably going out. We need to yeah make this character significant. Somehow. I know we'll name her after his girlfriend in the comics. um Right.
00:28:04
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So, so there's that.
00:28:08
Speaker
I mean, the way he gets his scar is dumb the movie. Yeah. Which they tried... there's Here's the weird thing. i don't know if they just didn't want to like have any sort of Native American stereotypes. Maybe they didn't want to do that.
00:28:24
Speaker
You missed that part, Brett, because they absolutely do. Oh, great. So then them changing his origin is completely useless. Cool. Correct. no um No, they did it so they could have a villain attached to the origin like you know every other superhero out there.
00:28:42
Speaker
Right. Okay. Got it. That's tough. hu okay It's the same reason why they made the Joker the killer of Batman's parents in Batman 89, because they need the villain to tie into the origin.
00:28:57
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well, at least that case... case there's There's been some discussion about is that just how Batman sees every villain? like There's a bit ambiguity there. there's like is is it did it Was it really him? Or is that just how Batman sees everybody?
00:29:12
Speaker
sure right But in this, it's just like, no, straight up. We're just going to fuck up his origin because we need to. hu But we'll reference it by him using the heated tomahawk to cut off the branding.
00:29:26
Speaker
like what I mean, sure, whatever. um I think they didn't want to make the Native Americans the villains, but they do come along and heal him later and make a crow fly out of his mouth. In the origin, not villains.
00:29:45
Speaker
Well, the one is The one guy is. Well, yeah. is I mean, well so how much do you know? How much do you know about the origin of Jonah Hex? Simply what I have researched in preparation for this podcast, Jonah Hex is not one of my guys.
00:29:59
Speaker
This is all new to me. um I've never seen anything outside of Batman, Brave and the Bold, the cartoon. He shows up a few times. I know. I don't know anything about Jonah Hicks.
00:30:11
Speaker
Okay, so... School. Take us to school....my history so that you could really give us the lore here. Well, from what i what I've heard, his origin gets wonky later, but like what comic book character's origin doesn't get wonky later? Correct.
00:30:25
Speaker
So his his original origin is that his mom leaves because his dad's a terrible alcoholic. Yeah. his dad eventually sells him into slavery to an Indian tribe because he is, uh, to pay off his gambling debts because he's a terrible alcoholic.
00:30:44
Speaker
Um, then, uh, so the, uh, Native American tribe that he is sold to, um, him and, uh, uh, his, his adopted brother, I guess, um,
00:31:03
Speaker
Both have feelings for the same woman. um And so they fight and he leaves, I think. I think that he leaves um to go fight in the Civil War. Right. um who i mean he he similar to the movie um this is something that writers of the comics explore much better than this movie does um why he doesn't like the government and right you know once you know he's cool with you know what the south wants to do because fuck the government correct um
00:31:43
Speaker
But then over time realizes, like well, the South, is it's not so much fuck the government as we just want to keep owning slaves. So he's as a former slave himself, he's like, wait a minute, hold on. right This is not what I signed up for.
00:31:55
Speaker
well and there's ah this Did you get to the scene with Lance Reddick, Brett? I did. That's the part where he absolves him of any racism. Right. thats his like like His whole part in this movie is being like, Jonah Hex, you not racist.
00:32:10
Speaker
That's it. Literally, that's why that part's in the movie. Which is what I mean. If you sure wondered if Joda Hex racist, we're going to have a black guy tell you that he's not. So we're good, right?
00:32:22
Speaker
And not just any black guy, Lance Ma fucking Reddick. It means a lot coming from Lance Reddick. It john does. Gravitas. The man just oozes gravitas. That's what he's there for.
00:32:33
Speaker
He does. R.I.P. Absolutely. But that's what I mean by like the movie does a shittier job of what better comic book writers tried to do over time is sort of explore that better. Right.
00:32:45
Speaker
I mean, redemption is, ah from what I understand, a big part of the character's like arc, like, altogether. Like, redemption is kind of, like, the thing that drives him. Yeah. I love a good redemption arc. That's why he has such a strong code. Like, he has a Batman-level code of ethics.
00:33:00
Speaker
Like, he he will defend the innocent to a fault. Yo, but a lot of people die in this movie. Like, a lot. But John Malkovich would be killing all those motherfuckers. Stop. He had trains full, towns full of people. yeah People coming out of church, man.
00:33:18
Speaker
There were kids on that train, man. and So many people died. like Is there anybody left in the U.S. after this movie? President Grant, Lance Reddick, and his kids. That's it.
00:33:30
Speaker
pretty If only they'd gotten What's-His-Nuts from Wild Wild West to play President Grant. would Kevin Kline? Kevin Kline. Yeah. That would have been fantastic. Oh, that's his nuts. Gotcha. Yeah.
00:33:45
Speaker
I couldn't think of his name, but isn't he married to Jamie Lee Curtis? No, that's Christopher Gast. Kevin Kline is married to Phoebe Cates of Gremlins. There it is. There it is.
00:33:57
Speaker
Sorry, please. bre Gremlins, Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead, Brett. Anyway. ah So. um So, yeah, he he desserts, which I mean, the movie gets this part of the origin, right? At least he does dess desert his platoon.
00:34:13
Speaker
um He surrenders to a Union garrison, but then finds out that the general of that Union garrison is also a corrupt piece of shit. um Attempts to kill him, and but you know the the Union soldiers don't know that their general is a corrupt piece of shit, so they're like, this... this Southern defectors is a spy and they, so now he's a traitor to both sides.
00:34:36
Speaker
Right. A man without a country. Basically. Yeah. Um, but for some reason continues to wear the Southern colors. Uh, who knows why that is? I'm sure they explored in the comics, but the movie sure doesn't, um, movie doesn't care.
00:34:54
Speaker
we don't care. It's just a cool outfit, right? Right. Uh, this is what he looks like in the comics. It doesn't matter. He's not racist. Lance Reddick told us he's not racist.
00:35:06
Speaker
It's whatever. Lance Reddick's like, look, you didn't like slaves. You just didn't like the government telling you what to do. So the union garrison fucks him up real bad, but it just so happens that the old ah Native American tribe that rescued him, rescued him again.
00:35:24
Speaker
um And so this time um he's not taking his adopted brother's shit. and fights him in Mortal Kombat.
00:35:35
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um And so the brother tries to cheat, though, and give him like a broken tomahawk. Right, defective tomahawk. Defective tomahawk.
00:35:46
Speaker
um So Jonah figures this out and murders the dude with a knife, which is against the rules of this Native American Mortal Kombat. Right. You have to like stick with the weapon you brung or something.
00:35:59
Speaker
Yeah, the weapon you're given has to be a tomahawk. ah So as penance, um he is disfigured on the side of his face with a superheated tomahawk.
00:36:14
Speaker
um So that's how he gets his scars, as the Joker would say. Another DC Comics character. See what I did there, folks? Hey, you did it.
00:36:25
Speaker
That's what we call synergy, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. um But after that, I mean, the beginning of the movie isn't too much different than what he does on a regular basis. The dude is just a bounty hunter.
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah. he who just has, like, Batman-level quote-unquote powers just because he did what Batman did. Like, he just trained...
00:36:47
Speaker
and went through all this shit as a regular dude for so long that he's just like really good at what he does he's like an expert marksman and yeah oh wait Lance Reddick also made him weapons I forgot because he was so busy absolving him from racism I forgot that he was like his Q And not only was he absolving Jonah Hex of racism, he was absolving all of us of our white guilt along the way. Thank you, Lance Reddick. Thank you so much. Thank you for your service.
00:37:16
Speaker
While also playing this weird Q role, where here's these really fancy, weird weapons. Yo! Brett and I, before the recording, we were talking about Resident Evil 4 and the infinite ah ammo rocket launcher that you could buy in the game.
00:37:33
Speaker
And the scene in this movie after he gets the two special guns from Lance Reddick, like I had just started doing my playthrough with the Infinite Ammo rocket launcher. And that whole scene, I was like, oh, man, that's that's what I'm doing with that with that rocket launcher in the game. Because he's just like, there's 100 dudes. He's like point shoot, point shoot, not worried about anything. Just blowing everybody up with no regard for anything. And that was me in the game.
00:38:00
Speaker
Just booping my little rocket launcher all over the place. Which is dumb, because he he could have done that without explosive crossbow guns. Yeah, but it was cooler with that, though. I was going to say, but explosive crossbow guns are awesome.
00:38:14
Speaker
no i got I would argue, no, they aren't. Because, like... Brett, why do you hate fun? do you but hate fun? I don't hate fun. For a reason, stranger.
00:38:30
Speaker
Thank you, Tucker. You're welcome. I appreciate that ah i that. We got me. um I win.
00:38:42
Speaker
No, because like, look, a really badass dude doing really badass shit with a couple revolvers is like, that's like my fetish. So like...
00:38:55
Speaker
It's just, I love it. like Like, for example, the most recent Dark Tower movie. Was that movie absolute shit and didn't deserve to be anything ever? Yes. But the scene at the end where he reloads his guns by throwing the bullets into the air and catches them in the barrel. and That sounds cool.
00:39:13
Speaker
It's so fucking badass. like is I can't, I just can't. Or the scene in the third John Wick movie where like he finds that antique revolver and has to jimmy it so that it works.
00:39:25
Speaker
only to shoot one guy with it really quick. Really fucking cool. he um It's in the first 15 minutes of John Wick 3, so you don't have to watch the whole thing if you don't want.
00:39:36
Speaker
Here's the thing about the John Wick movies, though. They rule. They do. Interesting side note about The Dark Tower. I've never seen that movie because I was too busy editing that episode as my first episode ever edited for Disenfranchised Podcast.
00:39:55
Speaker
Well, hey, look at that. Ever. Because Steven was like, oh, the audio is all fucked up. And I was like, hey, man, I could probably fix that. And now here we are. And look, look what we hath wrought.
00:40:10
Speaker
Look, we did it. We made it, you guys. And and that was that was the the first episode that my partner guested on as well. So yeah, I had to piece that motherfucker. Yeah, that was difficult.
00:40:22
Speaker
yeah I'm still not sure it's all correct. We're not going to make it easy for you, Tucker. When have we ever made it easy for you of Sometimes, but mostly you make me watch bad movies I don't like.
00:40:35
Speaker
Yeah. that's not easy. I know. But then every now and again, we you get a a Captain America or a Jonah Hex that you get some enjoyment out of. Jonah Hex, I had a good time, but it's not going to go down in history as a Tucker movie. It's not something I'm going to be revisiting and and like shouting to the heavens about everyone that I know.
00:40:57
Speaker
and Like Captain America? Now, Captain America, that's that's a good time right there. That was a fun movie. I will i will be watching that again. For sure. Brett, have you seen the 1990 Matt Salinger Captain America film?
00:41:11
Speaker
In bits and pieces of syndicated television. but it's It's totes free on YouTube. You should absolutely watch the whole damn thing. It's it's a it's it's a good time. Oh man, I had so much fun with it.
00:41:23
Speaker
Jonah Hex, though, that, like, i know it's a little too late for that era, but it's definitely like a cable TV movie. Like, I'd catch this on cable and be like, yo, that was pretty alright.
00:41:35
Speaker
I'm gonna go make a sandwich now. There are elements of this movie, particularly within the first hour of this film, that I'm having fun with. I know it's not accurate to the comics, but Like, I get that, but I'm still enjoying... I'm enjoying Josh Brolin's performance.
00:41:53
Speaker
I'm enjoying the the riff on the west ah Wild Wild West motif that they they set up here. I'm enjoying that John Malkovich is in a movie. I can tell he's not having fun at all.
00:42:05
Speaker
Well, I thought he was good in this. he's He's phoning it in, but he's he's here. He's doing his Malkovich thing. i And this is like baby baby Michael Fassbender too. This is like Michael Fassbender right before he hits. Like right before he hits. I want to i want to do a little sidebar on on Michael Fassbender if I may. Please do.
00:42:30
Speaker
Briefly before he becomes Magnetus. Right. This is honestly like only a year or two before, I think, if I'm not mistaken. Like he... he's He's already done Inglourious Bastards. That's the year before, which I had seen him in and I really enjoyed.
00:42:49
Speaker
Um, he's in 300 in 2006, uh, hunger in 2008. Like he has done his, his stuff leading up to this Jonah hex hits. And then 2011, the next year he does Jane air, the meal was a Kouska Jane air.
00:43:10
Speaker
He does X-Men first class. And he does the David Cronenberg film A Dangerous Method where he plays Carl Jung opposite Keira Knightley and Viggo Mortensen.
00:43:25
Speaker
wait wait wait Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Hold. Stop everything.
00:43:31
Speaker
Have you never seen A Dangerous Method? The philosopher? Yeah. The psychologist. yeah David motherfucking Cronenberg. What the fuck?
00:43:42
Speaker
ah hold and Viggo Mortensen plays Sigmund Freud I'm so into that that's so in my alley what's this called again it's called a dangerous method Keira Knightley is Sabina Spielrein who is the woman who is fucking both Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud a dangerous what now method method a dangerous method that's all of those things interest everything about that interests me yeah i've heard of this it's a good movie what the fuck did uh i did a cunberg watch through in 2022 and it's good it's solid
00:44:22
Speaker
i don't like I don't mind interrupting a little bit, but I try not to interrupt that violently and aggressively, Stephen. But damn it, I had never heard of that, and I needed to know more. you You need to watch it, Tucker. I want to put it on my list. I visit we want to know your thoughts.
00:44:37
Speaker
Good. I want to know your thoughts. It's a fucking good movie. okay um Then it also in 2011, he does the Steve McQueen film Shame, which gets him a ton of like awards buzz and attention. Not that Steve McQueen, the other Steve McQueen. Right. The Steve McQueen who gave us 12 Years a Slave.
00:44:56
Speaker
Yes. that um And then the year after that, he does Prometheus. And the year after that, he does 12 Years a Slave, the aforementioned 12 Years a Slave. Yeah.
00:45:07
Speaker
And then Frank and then Days of Future Past. And like he just kind of keeps building momentum. But this is like the last moment where he's kind of ambiguous, where he's kind of like not unknown.
00:45:21
Speaker
And then he just like the next movie he does after this is Jane Eyre. And he just kind of blows up after that. Yo, Steven, did you see that Fincher movie he was in, The Killer on Netflix? Boy, that's good. it's Not yet.
00:45:33
Speaker
Not yet. I need to watch Have you seen that yet? I haven't seen it yet. No, I need to. The letter Brett. Have you seen that yet? What do you think, Tucker? Okay, I'll take that as a no.
00:45:44
Speaker
um It's really good, you guys. i Actually, i think you would like it, Brett. You should check it out I appreciate you asking me, but you should know the answer to that question. It is the most recent David Fincher film. It was released on Netflix. It's called The Killer, and it's really good. and i think you'd I think you'd like it, Brett. I think you'd appreciate it.
00:46:02
Speaker
I think you'd both like it. It's my favorite Fincher movie since, well, for a while, but I didn't see that black and white one. Marv watched that. Yeah, Marv watched that. He was like, I haven't seen it, but Marv has is what I'm saying.
00:46:17
Speaker
Like, how weird is that? I'm the guy showing him movies. Don't don't get ahead of me, dude. Come on. Don't tell me. Tell him. Damn, I did. I was like, hey, you need to calm the fuck down.
00:46:30
Speaker
Because I haven't even seen that shit. It's okay. You can still show him a dangerous method once you see it. I will. It will be a double feature with a dangerous mind. There you go. George Clooney starring Sam Rockwell.
00:46:44
Speaker
That would be a very bad double feature. I just have a feeling. ah I do like Confessions of a Dangerous Mind, though. That's a really good movie. That makes sense. really good. It's based on a true story kind of, sort of, maybe, depending on who you believe.
00:46:58
Speaker
Yeah. The Gong Show. Anyway. Anyway, Jonah Hank! so Who doesn't love Jonah Hex? You were talking about Michael Fassbender, but I feel like we had kind of gotten to the end of that. No, we we kind of wrapped. This is like Michael Fassbender right before he's getting ready to hit.
00:47:16
Speaker
like This is kind of the last thing he does in obscurity. And then the next thing is Jane Eyre. Carrie Fukunaga is Jane Eyre, and he just kind of blows up after that. I'll give it to him. He's a pretty talented fella.
00:47:28
Speaker
And easy on the eyes, too. I don't mind looking at him. I don't mind at all. Doesn't bother me. if you want to If you want to see his dong, watch Shame, because it's all over that movie.
00:47:39
Speaker
I don't know if I'm that interested. le If it serves the story, I'm not going to scoff at it, but I'm not going to be like, please show me his dong. I'm going to quote Charlize Theron here. She said to him on it at an awards presentation, she said, and I quote, your cock was a revelation.
00:47:57
Speaker
i see. that's i mean that's what you i don't know really how to take that. I mean, if you're like if you're Michael Fassbender, you take that very well. J.K. Simmons, what?
00:48:13
Speaker
J.K. Simmons, who played Milton Berle in Saturday Night. let's Let's close that loop, please. That wasn't his wiener, though. It was a fake wiener. I haven't seen Saturday Night yet. I know it's on Netflix. I just haven't gotten there yet.
00:48:26
Speaker
ah Can I tell a side note? And I don't give a fuck. Look, so this was my weekend, right? Like, Brett's face. I know. He was like the audacity, the nerve of this kid. jesus No, it's just like, why why did you have to preface it by like, I don't give a fuck, I'm doing a sidebar? Like, we do them all the time. No, Brett's right. it's it's nowhere It's nowhere near on topic. There's no segue, anything. i just want to talk about how cool this weekend was.
00:48:55
Speaker
Because Friday night, you had the SNL 50 homecoming concert, which was insane. It was pretty good. Where else where else are you going to see the Backstreet Boys transition into Devo?
00:49:09
Speaker
Right. The B-52s to the Backstreet Boys is to Devo. like And I'll tell you what, like when they were like, a Nirvana with Post Malone, I was like, really? with And then I was like, oh shit, okay.
00:49:23
Speaker
ah Okay. i good I'm eating my words right now. With the lights out, this looks dangerous. That's all I can say. It was all really, really good. And then Saturday night, of course, they aired the premiere episode from the first season um during the regular time slot on Saturday night.
00:49:44
Speaker
And so when I got home from work, I watched Saturday night. And that led into... episode so it was like watching lead up the 90 minutes leading up to the episode
00:50:01
Speaker
and then watching the episode and it was really cool it was really really cool but how accurate is the movie though like uh well from what i understand um The broad strokes are accurate.
00:50:17
Speaker
um Some of the details are accurate, but there's a lot played up for entertainment.
00:50:26
Speaker
So we're we're gonna do a 70-30 is what I would say.
00:50:32
Speaker
Yeah. 70-30 that it's not accurate or accurate? No, so about 70% accurate. okay Some of it, it's just timeline stuff. like Maybe it's something that happened, but it didn't specifically happen you know that night.
00:50:47
Speaker
like Maybe it's a fun story from later that they wanted to kind of bring in there for entertainment value. like ah there There is a lot of truth to it, but it is a film meant to be entertaining.
00:50:59
Speaker
And it's really good. i think it's really I think the cast in particular is fantastic. it's It's kind of... um It's a ah film fans film because it's doing crazy things all over the place. Like it's, it's not half-assing anything.
00:51:19
Speaker
Everything is like, everybody's doing their best in this movie and it, it really shows. And you guys should see it. I saw it. I didn't know it was on Netflix. yeah i saw it yeah I saw it at the movie theater and it blew my mind.
00:51:36
Speaker
And then I watched it on Netflix before I watched the first episode. And I was kind of afraid to watch it again because it's such a frantically paced film that I thought that a second viewing wouldn't be as exciting because I knew everything that was going to happen, but it was still...
00:51:56
Speaker
It was still really good. Like Ransom. no many how No matter how many times I watch Ransom, I'm still in the on the edge of my seat. like Physically on the edge of my seat during that movie. And Saturday Night is similar to where it the momentum isn't killed by um repeat viewings.
00:52:16
Speaker
Cool. Then did you think of the 50th anniversary special?
00:52:21
Speaker
I thought it was fine. Steven and I were talking about this before the record, and i think that the 40th anniversary special, really, they kind of they kind of blew their wad with that one.
00:52:32
Speaker
it It definitely feels that way to me. like I liked the 50th, but it pales in comparison to the 40th. Yeah, 40th was the sweet spot. It feels like they were searching for content for the 50th because they'd already done all of it at the 40th.
00:52:47
Speaker
o Everything that mattered. You had Californians, you had Wayne's World. like you had You had everything. everything that and ever like um Not everything that ever mattered to that point, but the things that people were going to remember and that people were still talking about.
00:53:03
Speaker
yeah And now there was a mix of a few newer things, which was fun. i liked the blending of the new and the old, for sure. Yeah, I thought that was... They did that really well on the 40th with the Californian sketch.
00:53:17
Speaker
Right. But, I mean, you get, like, the Bronx Beat Girls with Linda Richman, which is... That was a highlight, for sure. i told I told Tucker, like, if if we get... yeah know i As soon as Bronx Beat showed up, I'm like, if Linda Richman doesn't show up, then what are we fucking doing in here?
00:53:32
Speaker
um like But Robert Goulet and Denise, that was really, really fun. like That was a really fun pairing. like there were There were really fun like generational pairings throughout the night that I thought were really well observed.
00:53:48
Speaker
A few more of those probably would have been better. um but you know i like the Debbie Downer sketch, too. i I wasn't as big a fan of that one, but I'm glad you liked it.
00:53:59
Speaker
That's all in – it doesn't matter how those sketches are written. It's all in Rachel Dratch's face and whoever's doing the sound effects. The sound design makes or breaks those sketches.
00:54:13
Speaker
It does. Ooh, they were on it last night, man. i I was talking to my – Meow, meow, meow. I was talking to my partner and she's like, it works better when it's like a, like ah like a, like celebratory kind of thing.
00:54:27
Speaker
So having her as a bartender, even though it is like, Hey, we're celebrating the 50th anniversary of Saturday Night Live. It kind of fell flat because what she doing, she's just getting them drinks. Like it, i don't know.
00:54:39
Speaker
it didn't It didn't work as well for me. I thought it was fine. And i'm I'm glad to see Drash doing something. But yeah. Absolutely. Some people were doing a lot more than others. Like Eddie Murphy was like in almost every other sketch.
00:54:55
Speaker
Eddie Murphy fucking killed Making up for lost time. Right. because um Murphy fucking killed it. I was so thrilled with everything they gave him to do.
00:55:06
Speaker
I'm really glad that that he kind of feels comfortable there again because the episode episode that he hosted a couple years ago was really, really good.
00:55:19
Speaker
Agreed. they brought back they brought back all of those characters without it feeling forced or nostalgia bait. like it It really fit in with what they were doing on the show at the time as well.
00:55:31
Speaker
And his his sketches last night, or I guess from the 50th show, were probably my favorites. Like, I loved him doing ah Tracy Morgan in front of Tracy Morgan. That was amazing. Unexpected.
00:55:48
Speaker
Unexpected, but absolutely, like, slam dunk. And then the Scared Straight, that sketch might have been my favorite one from last night.
00:55:59
Speaker
That was Will Ferrell was putting a lot of effort into everything he did last night. But I think that that came off the best. Like he really nailed it in that sketch. Like the Robert Goulet was fun. I like him as Robert Goulet.
00:56:14
Speaker
But I didn't think the idea was that fresh, but I really liked him in Scared Streeper. My favorite joke of the night was when Eddie Murphy's like, they call me all the way Ray or whatever his name was because I don't do anything halfway.
00:56:28
Speaker
And only half of his hair is in cornrows and the other half is this giant, completely untamed Afro. yeah And they just like, let it sit for a second while the audience just like catches up to it. And it's such a great moment.
00:56:42
Speaker
Again, probably my favorite joke of the, of the performance. Hooray for live television. yeah <unk> Dying art. Good job, you guys.
00:56:54
Speaker
We did it, everybody. did ah Jonah Hex! No, we're we're talking about Jonah Hex. Anybody in Jonah Hex was anybody that was in Jonah Hex at the SNL 50th celebration last night?
00:57:12
Speaker
Maybe Josh Brolin. I was going to say he might have been there, but he wasn't in anything. i didn't no but There was a lot of people over there that weren't in anything. Right. Including former cast members like Billy Crystal. Yeah. and They kept cutting to in the audience. and John Lovitz. Let's across the street.
00:57:31
Speaker
if and the american girl doll stuff I love how much they disrespect him. It's fantastic. It's the best. It's the best. Like, I'm not mad. I just want to know why.
00:57:45
Speaker
While he's like sipping tea with a bunch of American girl dolls. Yeah. Phenomenal. um Like this is kind of, again, I feel like this movie is really bizarre in a lot of ways. Like we get Megan Fox in this movie.
00:58:04
Speaker
Megan Fox would later say this is the worst movie that she's ever done. and Oh, I don't know. I'd take this over a Transformer any day. Any Transformer. You know, honestly, same.
00:58:18
Speaker
Okay. And i'm a might you know I'm a Michael Bay apologist. And still, i don't i don't do them Transformers. This comes... Hot garbage. No thanks.
00:58:30
Speaker
This comes the year after Jennifer's body, which for my money is the best thing she's ever done. Yes, 100%. She's fantastic in it too.
00:58:41
Speaker
That movie is, there's there is no false beat in that movie. That movie is amazing. It is a massive. The two leads carry that film. Without those two gals, you don't have a movie.
00:58:54
Speaker
It's perfection. They carry it on their shoulders. <unk> Such an incredible movie. But then after the, like, this is kind of her last movie for a while. She does like some ah like passion play, the trip friends with kids, the dictator wedding band before she does like Judd Apatow kind of reclaims her a little bit for this is 40 in 2012.
00:59:18
Speaker
And then after that, she's in teenage, the teenage mutant Ninja turtles movies. Like, but she, this is kind of the, the end of her initial, like Megan Fox is the next big thing. Hottest woman on the planet run really.
00:59:34
Speaker
Yeah. is this movie. And it feels like she gets it because she's hot, not because she's really the right person for the film. And honestly, if there is a weak link in this movie, I think it's her performance. And I feel bad saying that because I know for a long time, she was just like,
00:59:55
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like the picture of like hotness or whatever. And I, I don't want to objectify her and I'm not going to, but like, I just don't feel like her performance really lands in this movie.
01:00:06
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Well, I don't think she had really anything to work with. I mean, she, she's not bad. She's not bad in this movie. There's just nothing really for her to do. Like she hits the beats. Like she's, she's a professional. She comes in and clocks in and does her thing.
01:00:23
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And it's fine, but the character's just nothing. It doesn't serve any purpose, but for there to be a a lady in there for him to have to rescue at the end.
01:00:37
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Right. she's She's a prostitute, and then later she shoots guns. Which another, like, I really like the i idea of her character. you know, like, you know, strong woman prostitute that you find out is like a crack shot and like, maybe they can have some adventures and shit, but they just squander that by like, they, they turn her into first. She's a bad-ass and then she's a damsel in distress. Like make up your fucking mind. Like you'd hit, you can't, you can't have a character like that. That just serves the scene. Like whatever, whatever you need them for.
01:01:14
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Their abilities and personality completely change. You build her up as a badass at the beginning of the movie with like, like I bought you fair and square and I'm not much to be an owned, like all that stuff like that happens at the beginning of the movie. She's a feisty one for sure.
01:01:29
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And then as soon as Michael Fassbender's freak show of a character shows up, she's like completely powerless and then doesn't do anything to try to escape, doesn't do anything to try to, like she's only as good as whatever weapon she happens to have stashed on her person at any given time.
01:01:47
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She goes somehow she goes from Barbara 1990 to Barbara 1968.
01:01:54
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And how do you do that? Like, that's not a great transition. She's completely helpless at the end of this movie. Catatonic almost. right sitting there like oh gosh this hope this guy doesn't kill me cool i'm just a prop at this point but she ah i had such a good introduction and now i'm just a fucking prop yeah they don't know what to do with me now i'm just here it's it's like a bunch of men it's like i'm the only woman in this production right This production full of misogynistic, like, lay-dots assholes.
01:02:29
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She's the Carol Cleveland of Jonah Hex. There it is. Is what she is.
01:02:36
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Cool, I didn't miss anything. Yeah. or the The ending, honestly, the beginning, like, the first hour of this movie, I feel like, is the part with the most promise. Like, that part, I think...
01:02:49
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it It sets itself up well. Like, we have a good setup for the movie. And then by the end, just like, what the fuck are we even doing here at this point? Like...
01:03:01
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ah It's a very stock standard ending. Like the bad guy starts to blow stuff up. The heroes figure out a way to get around it. And then it's over.
01:03:13
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Like that's basically how the movie ends. You didn't really miss much because it's every superhero movie ending up to that point. Like this movie comes at a really weird space for DC comic movies.
01:03:29
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Because it is the year after, it's two years after The Dark Knight, the year after Watchmen, and the year before Green Lantern. Like, kind of where it falls in that breakdown is just super weird. Like, DC's in the middle. This movie literally comes right between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.
01:03:48
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I'd rather watch this than Green Lantern. I mean, yes. Hot take. No, not that hot. No, even, yeah, even I would agree with that. like green lan And Green Lantern was the one that was supposed to kickstart the new like shared universe franchise.
01:04:05
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um But Nolan's doing his successful Batman thing, and I feel like dc puts the shared universe on hold while Nolan's doing his thing until he's done, and then they're like, now we can start the shared universe.
01:04:22
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But... I don't understand why you choose Jonah Hex as the one to make the movie out of.
01:04:34
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Like with all the DC superheroes that have just never gotten movies up to this point, like why do you pick Jonah Hex as the one to, to like jump into? Now, the reason I would pick him and i haven't seen the budget on this movie, so I'm speculating here.
01:04:52
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I'm probably wrong. but because you could do Jonah Hex the best cheap.
01:05:03
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Because as long as it's it's just strictly Jonah Hex, if they spend a lot of money on this movie, I'm going to be mad. like How much money would you say is too much money for this movie, Tucker?
01:05:16
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In 2010... God...
01:05:19
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god If they spent more than 50 million on this, but I'll bet they spent more than a hundred million on it. Didn't they? They didn't. How much? 47. Okay.
01:05:30
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okay This is a $47 million dollars movie. And that's, that's the thing. It's Jonah hex. It's low. It's low tech. Like you got some CG shots and shit, but it's all analog man.
01:05:44
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Dusters and cowboy hats and revolvers. That's it. Yeah. You don't have people flying around. you don't have people shooting lasers. There's no big monsters.
01:05:56
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You have pretty orange balls. There's a few effects, but they're easy and they're cheap. You get trains exploding. you get cities blowing up.
01:06:08
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i like I like Michael Fassbender when he was just kind of chilling there on the track, just waiting. And it just got closer and he didn't care. he was he knew how long it was going to take him.
01:06:20
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He knew exactly how long. People were getting worried, but I believed in him. That's... And that that's his whole... Again, like, he... he's really good at playing freaky little weirdos and it's something he doesn't now that he's like a a household name and we'll talk about we'll cover another michael fassbender movie here within the next month what is um oh i know what it is calendar you know exactly what it is i know what it is and i don't like eating it hopefully it'll surprise me oh well i never brett picked that movie specifically for you tucker
01:06:58
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I need to see it. It's possible it could be a Tucker movie. Look, I didn't pick it because of Tucker. I picked it because it's one of the few video game movies I'll defend.
01:07:10
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Oh, okay. It's up there with the first Silent Hill. Team Brett. Oh, that first Silent Hill is good as hell, though, Brett. like There's no denying that. Damn.
01:07:21
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Damn, it's so good. It's a whole mood. As the kids would say these days, it's a whole motherfucking vibe. The first Silent Hill. o we It is. You enter that atmosphere. You turn it on.
01:07:36
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And
01:07:39
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and until the Last of Us TV series came out, I i did say the first Silent Hill movie was the best video game adaptation. But not anymore. Last of Us just kind of blew that shit right out the fucking morning. Should I see the second one, Brett?
01:07:54
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The Silent Hill movie? No, you don't need to. Okay, alright. We'll cover it for Unenfranchised one of these days.
01:08:04
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There's another one coming out based on Silent Hill 2. Oh, cool. People like Silent Hill 2. They do. Is it connected to the first film? Or is it a complete reboot? I think it's a complete reboot.
01:08:15
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Just because Silent Hill 2 isn't connected to the first Silent Hill. Oh, so we wouldn't even have to do an Unenfranchised on it, Stephen. We could just do a Disenfranchised movie. Because it's its own thing.
01:08:28
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i mean, it's in the same franchise, but it's not a sequel.
01:08:32
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Well, I mean, the new the new one. good No, that okay. So we're getting confused. The Silent Hill 2, the video game, yeah is not connected to the first Silent home movie. But the second movie is connected the first movie. The movie is loosely based on Silent Hill 3, which is connected to the first Silent Hill game.
01:08:50
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So, wait a minute, but you're not answering my question. Are the first two films canonically connected in any way? no No. Okay, then we could do every single one of them as a disenfranchise.
01:09:03
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According to Wikipedia, it says the film was produced as a sequel to Silent Hill 20. That's why it's confusing. Because, okay, silent so so the main character of Silent Hill 3 is the little girl from Silent Hill 1.
01:09:20
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Yep. So... The game. You have to be specific. The game. The little girl from the first Silent Hill game. but Yes. Got it. Silent Hill 3, the game, the main character is the the teenage girl of the girl from the first Silent Hill game.
01:09:39
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Time jump, yeah. Yes. So... But... So the movies... They skipped over adapting Silent Hill 2 the game and went straight to 3.
01:09:51
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So Silent Hill 2 the movie is based on Silent Hill 3 the game.
01:09:57
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I see. Are you still with me? Probably not. I'm still with you. No, I see. Silent Hill 2 the game is Halloween 3.
01:10:07
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Yes. Silent Hill and Silent Hill 3 are Halloween 2 and 4.
01:10:12
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Is what you're telling me.
01:10:15
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So silent Silent Hill, the first game, is Halloween. Sure. silent hills Silent Hill 2 is Halloween 3.
01:10:26
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Okay, yeah. And then Silent Hill 3 is Halloween 2.
01:10:33
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But no, because... Okay, Brett. Sure, yeah. You know, either way is fine, I think. i mean It doesn't make any fucking sense, all right? Like, Silent Hill supposed to be this anthology. Like, it's a lot like Halloween, actually.
01:10:44
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Silent Hill is supposed to be this anthology series that does not follow a specific person. It's just centered around the town. But, like, for some reason, they had to go back and...
01:10:56
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Because people love Silent Hill 2. You know what i had never played any of them. Eventually I played one on the Xbox 360 called Silent Hill Homecoming and that sucked.
01:11:08
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Yeah, pretty much all of them after 3 suck. My only experience with the series is ah is a big suck. Yeah, everything after Silent Hill 3 sucks. So, which, I think they're going to remake some of them, right?
01:11:21
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They've remade the Silent Hill 2 game. That is out. Should I play that? Should I play it? Sure, I've heard good things about it. I i was i was a Resident Evil fan.
01:11:33
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So therefore, I never played Silent Hill. But did you play Dino Crisis? No, never played Dino Crisis either. I think that's because I played the first Dino Crisis for a little bit and it was like, this way too fucking hard. What the fuck?
01:11:46
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And I just never played it again. There's a big there's big fucking difference between zombies and dinosaurs. What the fuck? Dinos are fast. Yeah, I never played it after that because I didn't i didn't i didn't wasn't a fan.
01:12:01
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I played the first Silent Hill yeah and was and never finished it. But I dug it. what Kind of. I really liked that movie.
01:12:13
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I sure did. That first one. do Real good. and yeah But anyway, how did we get here? Who knows? I don't remember. Alluding to the fact that we're covering a Michael Fassbender movie. next time Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah as the The Creed of Asses is a good video game adaptation.
01:12:34
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Mainly because it's approved. I'll talk about this more. It is approved by the company that makes the franchise. That's the Ubisoft. It is Ubisoft, yes. And it is ah they consider it canon to the games, which is like unheard of.
01:12:49
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Hey, Brett, do you think Well, they're not an American company. Do they have... Is there a North American Ubisoft? Because i have the they have like France and Barcelona. don't remember.
01:13:05
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I don't know. They might have one other places. They've had a ton of different studios. i don't know if there's ever been one in America. I always really appreciated the the little blurb before the games where it's like... like all of our developers are some diverse motherfuckers from some diverse backgrounds and they all have some shit to say about this. So please enjoy.
01:13:26
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i was like going into it being like, yeah, dude, I'm into that. That is pretty cool. yeah Let's play those perspectives. Boy, I can't wait to get into how much that series shit the bed.
01:13:38
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Well, I'll tell you what, there are differing opinions on this because you see my roommate and ex-wife, she introduced me to the series, ah which is something we'll talk about on the episode. But very briefly, um she is now a fan of the newer types of Assassin's Creed games that all the OG fans don't like.
01:14:03
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Which makes her kind of weird because she has grown with the series instead of kind of wishing that it would be what it was instead of being these long ass open world RPGs and shit.
01:14:15
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My complaints are story-based. We'll get into that more later. you can't um I'll just say, you can't set up a really good story for three games and then absolutely throw that story out the window in the fourth one.
01:14:27
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so But anyway, as this you know we'll get into that later. Let's talk about Jonah Hex. I think I might see if I can get a voice note from her for that episode. That'd be cool. yeah Anyway, Jonah Hex, you guys, whatever.
01:14:42
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Who cares about Jonah Hex? Jonah Hex never been in a video game as far as I'm aware. Even being a DC character, i don't think he's ever been in a video game. Like I said, i had yeah a time I had a good time watching this movie, but I don't give a fuck about this at all, you guys. I don't care.
01:14:56
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Go read Jonah Hex comics. like that I actually, and this movie had kind of an Artemis Fowl reaction to me. Like, Brett, you'll remember in our early episode on Artemis Fowl, you're like, this movie makes me want to go read the books because I know the books have to be better than this.
01:15:13
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Like I have Jonah Hex comics queued up on my DC infinite app because I like the Jonah Hex comics have to be better than this movie. And I kind of want to know why they're good. So I actually have the Jimmy Pomiati, Justin gray run on Jonah Hex, like queued up and ready to go from like the early aughts, like 2006. Also, Steven, don't forget to check out Batman, brave and the bold.
01:15:41
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Another reminder here, this may be a consecutive week that I've reminded you to watch that show because Jonah Hex does show up a few times. He also shows up in the OG animated Batman the Ant-Man series.
01:15:54
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Does he really? that i do I actually do remember that episode, yeah. I have that whole series on the DVDs. I got it. Jonah Hex fights Batman multiple times and beats him multiple times.
01:16:06
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he should. To be fair, is Batman sort of fucked up both of the times? Like two of the two or three times they fight? Yes. But still. Still. Not many people can say they beat Batman.
01:16:20
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It's like Bane. and that's it Like some, nobody else, some production notes on this movie. ah Tom Jane really, really, really wanted to play um Jonah Hex to the, to the fact, except that he like got himself made up to look like Jonah Hex and took pictures ah as kind of a proof of concept.
01:16:44
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I, I think he would have been fine. i think, look, ah Josh Brolin, is doesn't do bad in this movie, but... He's he's good. Very interchangeable.
01:16:55
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He's probably the best part of this movie. There are many actors of his age and build that would do just as well. like It feels weird because normally when I'm speaking you know about actors filling certain roles, it's like, oh man, nobody else could have done that. but like Josh Brolin was good, but I feel like anybody really...
01:17:19
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in the line of usual suspects around that time would have they also looked at ah Matthew McConaughey and Emile Hirsch for the lead role also I don't know about McConaughey don't know about McConaughey maybe I think he could I'm gonna say no but also I'd be open to seeing what he does with it he's he's a I think he's a good enough actor I think he could pull it off Hirsch I think is a little too young um yeah personally.
01:17:50
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um the So Neville Dean and Taylor, who are the guys who had done um the movie Crank, I think that was kind of their big movie up
Producer Credit and Financial Failure
01:18:00
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to that point. They did that Ghost Rider too, that second Ghost Rider movie that's fucking wild.
01:18:05
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um right That movie's batshit insane, you guys. They're throwing cameras off of cliffs, dude. They did um Crank and Gamer, that movie Gamer, with... um ah Gerard Butler and Michael J. Hall.
01:18:22
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ah They did that one. ah Yes. Did direct Spirit of Vengeance, the Vatican tapes, Panama. Like they have a number of credits to their, to their name. um But they, they were the original directors attached.
01:18:37
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And then sometime during pre-production, they split due to those, those ever elusive creative differences. Yo, did nobody think, Hey, call, let's call Robert Rodriguez. What the fuck?
01:18:49
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That feels like an obvious choice. Come on. whole time I watched this movie, I was like, you know what would make this probably about at least 15% better consecutively if yeah Robert Rodriguez had directed it?
01:19:03
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hundred percent
01:19:06
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Warner Brothers gave them two weeks to find a director, during which time they landed Jimmy Hayward. At various points, they had also looked at other directors. TV director, was his name? Andy, starts with an F, F-I-C.
01:19:26
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I'm looking up his name right now.
01:19:30
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Hang on. Give me one second. Come on. I'm getting there. Andy Thickman. There you go. Considered Andy Thickman, mostly a TV director, and McG was also considered at one point.
01:19:45
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McG apologies here. You are. Shout out to Supernatural one more time. Yeah, dude. Josh Brolin really wanted to try to get Park Chan-wook to direct the film.
01:19:59
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ah Because hum familiar. Who's that old boy? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. He wanted something that looked and felt a little more like high planes drifter ah was what Josh Brolin was hoping for. Brolin apparently initially really hated the script and then kind of started. it started to grow on him and his particularly his more. He thought it felt more tongue in cheek.
01:20:27
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And so he liked that aspect of it and was hoping that – Jonah Hex can only do that on one side. my Hey. Hey. There it is.
01:20:38
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don't know what you did there. But yeah, I really, really wanted... but and And his love for Park Chan-wook really explains why he did the the Spike Lee version of Old Boy.
01:20:49
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Did we lose Steven? I'm right here. i is good I'm right here. I'm talking. no If he's still he's still talking, I'm assuming. Yeah, sure am. Yeah.
01:21:01
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Like when audio Let's keep all this in the episode just the way it is. Oh, of course. My server is. Am I, okay, am I back now? sure is making a silly face now. See, now you guys are still. I could hear you hear and see both of you guys before. Now I can't hear or see. That's always my big fear is if I freeze them, I'm like. well Wow. I got to timestamp this shit. Jesus.
01:21:24
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We almost made it. Almost made it without an edit. Nobody even said ****. Five minutes later. Yeah, I think that's you. That's you, buddy. I mean, we're all here now. so See, when you were talking about how like you love this movie secretly and you'll defend it to your death. So anyway, you were going to do the box office, I think, next.
01:21:45
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Yeah, and fortunately all that audio was lost to the annals of space. It's weird you didn't say any of that like on a live mic. I don't know why you're...
01:21:58
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You don't got to keep it to yourself, man. like i And yet I will continue to do so. That's just how that works. man sounds good super um oh I am still going to have to.
01:22:09
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Okay, never mind. Go ahead. Edit making mental editing notes. You can write those down, you know. I don't need to. I don't need to timestamp it because when I said ****, it was right before we cut off.
01:22:27
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And since I said it now within the first minute, like I'm good. I'll remember to cut that shit. I should probably write it down. Yeah, you probably should. on ah because Because then i'm I'm also going to bring up ****.
01:22:41
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Son of a bitch. You know what? I read an article last week that's like, hey, ah we think that if you smoke marijuana, it makes your memory bad. and I was like, oh, really?
01:22:53
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but You don't say. um That's the whole joke. Sorry. guys That's it.
01:23:05
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Um... So Jonah Hex made on a $47 million dollars budget, as we previously mentioned. um It opens on ah June 18th, 2010. It opens at number seven.
01:23:19
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um shit Yeah. Nobody cared. Nobody wanted. Like, again, why did they choose Jonah Hex? It's a DC character nobody cared about. That's it. Like in 2000, there was like an hour long TV special they were trying to get done.
01:23:34
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That never happened. So I think they had the movie rights and that eventually got optioned. Did you guys notice that Matt LeBlanc is a executive producer on this movie? did he get Was he going to be in the TV show?
01:23:47
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No. It was one of those things. like There's a quote from him on the IMDb trivia. I'm going to find it because it's actually like a really funny quote. Matt LeBlanc credited as an executive producer. In a 2011 interview with the Los Angeles Times, he explained how it came to be.
01:24:06
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The way that went down is so bizarre. When I did Joey, the spinoff from Friends, along with that deal was a production deal at Warner Brothers. So I had my own production company, which I didn't really enjoy. If I could go back, I would have looked to develop only projects for myself so that I had a vested interest in the thing and maybe I would have enjoyed it more.
01:24:26
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But to develop shows just to be a producer, it's a lot of meetings that amount to nothing. And Jonah Hex was one of them. It went away and then it came back after my company had shut its doors, but I still own the rights to it as a producer.
01:24:38
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So I got this credit and fee and was like, hey, right on. Nice. Good for him. ah but That's cool, though. You're like, oh, man, a Joey didn't do anything. And what am I going to do now? And nobody wants to cast me.
01:24:52
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Oh, shit. I'm getting ah ah a few Jonah Hex checks. he He had a good run on that show, that British show episodes. If you haven't seen that, check that out. He's very funny on that show. I probably won't. Yeah. And yet you expect me to watch 10 fucking seasons of Supernatural? Fuck you.
01:25:11
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Yes. Well, you watch Batman Brave and the Bold first. and Ease your way into it, you know. Plastic Man, Steven, come on. I love it. I'll watch the Plastic Man episodes. Opening at number one on June 2010 is Toy Story, which opens to $110 million dollars in its opening weekend. toys Toy Story 3.
01:25:35
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in so In second place, a potential future episode of this podcast, The Karate Kid. ah In its second weekend, it's earned over $117 million. no no, no. They're making that new Karate Kid with Jackie Chan and Ralph Macchio.
01:25:49
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That counts as a sequel to all of the Karate Kids, including the Jaden Smith one. Okay. So we can't... I would like to do... We should have already done it.
01:26:02
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I would like do it, but... We were saving it for when the new movie came out. You can't do that because that new movie is a sequel to the movie that we would be covering. Therefore, we would have to do a disenfranchised and then a re-enfranchised and look like idiots more so than usual.
01:26:23
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At number three, a movie we're definitely going to cover one day, The A-Team. Yeah. Okay. in in for In fourth place, a very weird pseudo-sequel, Get Him to the Greek.
01:26:38
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Oh, yeah. Spinoff sequel, sort of. Yeah. Yeah. Spinoff of Forgetting Sam Marshall. You don't that comedy lot. No. Yeah. It's more of a genre thing, usually. ah In fifth place, Shrek Forever After, the final Shrek film.
01:26:54
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ah In sixth place, previous episode of this podcast, ah Prince of Persia, colon, Sands of Time. um I'm so glad I didn't have to watch that movie. that was that was ah That was like an early, early that was like first 10 episodes of the podcast episode. Yeah.
01:27:11
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Pretty sure. he's lucky Alfred Molina's in that. And I remember us both really liking Alfred Molina. Oh, yeah. Whenever Alfred Molina's on screen, it's a fun time. That's it. Other than that, not really. But look, that'll set us up nice for next month.
01:27:25
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Yeah. In seventh place, ah Jonah Hex, the movie we've just been kind of talking around. Sort of. um and In eighth place, Killers. In ninth place, Iron Man 2. And in tenth place, another future episode of this podcast, Marmaduke. Not the one we've already covered, but another one.
01:27:44
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The live action one. What's this Killers? What's this Killers? What's that? Killers is a film. ah It's Ashton Kutcher and Katherine Heigl.
01:27:56
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Oh yeah, no thanks. So it is it is by definition a cursed film. already said no thanks. It's crazy. We're still talking about it. do you The only time you're going to catch me watching anything Ashton Kutcher is in is if it's Butterfly Effect. Thank you very much. Or that 70s show.
01:28:11
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Or that 90s show when he shows up for a minute. Not even those, honestly. i couldn't care less about Ashton Kutcher. You guys, that Nardie Show apologist right on here.
01:28:22
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It is good, Brett. I'm with you on that. Ethan Supley and that motherfucker. What? Oh, hell yeah. Ethan Supley, fantastic. and what's the Does it make sense? Not really, but gosh, it's so cool.
01:28:33
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Amy Smart. Amy Smart, yeah yes. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah, dudes. But yeah, no, it doesn't make any sense. But is it a fun time? It's sort of like a time travel movie? Do you prefer the original ending or the theatrical ending, Brett?
01:28:50
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I like the original ending. Me too. It's so dumb. but i agree Because it's so dumb. yes That's one of those movies that like it's so dumb but it works with its dumbness. It knows how dumb it is and it works within the parameters of that dumbness to make just a fantastic.
01:29:08
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I really love that movie. It's good. It's good stuff. It's real good. It got a sequel somehow, so we could never cover it It's got two sequels. Directivitia. Both them. forgot that it got two sequels. That's crazy.
01:29:22
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but Anyway, carry on, Steven. Number nine. No, you already did number nine. so we We're done. Yeah, we're done yeah we we did that we did the top ten. thanks Thanks for following along.
01:29:33
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This movie opened and at number seven to $5.4 million. God. On its way to $10.5 million domestic. my god on its way to ten point five million domestic Damn, it doubled its opening weekend.
01:29:53
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ah Whoa. it gets a out of It gets another 476 million or a thousand, sorry, international for a worldwide box office total of 11 million no dollars.
01:30:09
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And nobody watched that shit on video either. Nobody gives a fuck about that movie. This is what we call a cataclysmic bomb. Um, the Tone Metometer score is a 12%.
Box Office Impact and Reception
01:30:23
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The critics consensus, Josh Brolin gives it his best shot, but he can't keep the short unfocused Jonah Hex from collapsing on the screen.
01:30:33
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I will say this is also Josh Brolin, like shortly after his Oscar nomination for no country for old men, which came out in 2007. So this is just a few years after that.
01:30:45
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Like, oof.
01:30:49
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it it's it's it's a i mean It's a good thing he was able to – he had True Grit coming out later the same year, which I think is the thing that saved him. um Because the other movie that the other movies he did in 2010 were Wall Street colon Money Never Sleeps and the Woody Allen film You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger.
01:31:10
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So, the I mean, like, True Grit really saved his year after that, I would say. I feel like he was kind of... He wasn't really in True Grit that much.
01:31:23
Speaker
But he's really good in it. he's like the He's like the primary villain of that movie. Yeah, he's barely there. But but what when he is there, it matters.
01:31:35
Speaker
i suppose And then he was Thanos. Wasn't that cool? Anyway. maybe didn he stinos And then Cable. Oh, yeah. um the any to be cable The meta score for Jonah Hex is a 33 based on generally unfavorable reviews from 32 critics.
01:31:55
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ah Tucker, care to take a stab at the letterbox to score? Letterboxd ain't fucking with this movie. I'm going to put this between a 2.6 and a 3.0.
01:32:07
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i know And I'm high. You're very high. It's a 1.8. yeah Damn it, Letterboxd. Why'd you go so high? That was crazy. That's wild. You're better than this. The memes, man. I just figured the memes would pump me. This doesn't feel like a meme of a movie. This is not a movie meme.
01:32:30
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okay Okay. There are 210 five-star ratings versus one-star ratings. There are 7,263. Let it be known that for the past several times, I have been right on the money guessing Letterboxd.
01:32:48
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so Yeah, everybody has their off days. Even Michael Jordan has off days. Just saying. Just saying. Yeah. Brett, out of five stars, how many are you giving to Jonah Hacks?
01:33:01
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One.
01:33:05
Speaker
Tucker? I have nothing else to say. One. This gets a 2.5 because it's not good. But it was a good time that, if i like I said, if I hadn't been doing this podcast, I would have forgotten the second it was over.
01:33:24
Speaker
It's 1.5 for me. um just be Just because kind of enjoyed the first half but ah But yeah, I don't know that I would ever go much, much higher than that, honestly.
01:33:38
Speaker
i might have given it a 1.5 had I not had you know, a connection to the source material. Which I really didn't. And now I literally, i will be reading Jonah Hex comics before I go to bed tonight. That is the thing I will be doing.
01:33:54
Speaker
And this movie's done its job then. It has made you hate it so much. You have to go read the comics. yeah Just to cleanse the the bad taste of this film from my mouth. Dude, yeah. ah That...
01:34:10
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i think that's our episode, guys. That is our episode on Hex. Tune in next week for our very final episode of this theme month. Brett's already told us what next theme month is, so buckle up for that. That's going to be fun. haven't.
01:34:25
Speaker
I just told you what we're covering in the first week. Maybe you can extrapolate what the rest of the month is based on that one. it nevers is but We never explicitly said it. We danced around it and implied.
01:34:36
Speaker
Even talked about it. We never actually said The name of the film or the franchise. The name of was never uttered. No, but you know what the theme month is going to be. Maybe.
01:34:46
Speaker
ah we do. Yeah, we do. They don't. Probably. I'm so excited for next week. Brett, I hope you can join us for that one. Me too. We'll give it a shot. I know you've got some stuff planned, but yeah, we're gonna we're gonna it's going to be a fun week. It's going to be a fun record. and Sure.
01:35:07
Speaker
And we get we have a guest lined up for that episode, and it's a returning guest that we're very excited to have back. So many guests I'm so excited about in the next, like, three weeks.
01:35:21
Speaker
So many. We only have one guest in the next three weeks. Or the next three guests. I will be the guest. I'm excited. Brett counts. Yeah.
01:35:33
Speaker
Until he does two consecutive episodes, Brett counts. Yeah, fair enough. Touche. I'll take it. At any rate, this find us on on the internet wherever you get your podcasts. Find us on social media at YouTube and Letterboxd and BlueSky at DisenfranchPod.
01:35:51
Speaker
Shoot us an email, disenfranchpod at gmail.com. Leave us a... review and a rating over at Apple podcast, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcast to help us find other listeners just like you. And don't forget to join the official conversation of the disenfranchised podcast.
01:36:09
Speaker
Uh, you can join for free and get a main feed episodes directly into your Patreon feed that you can comment on and talk directly to your friends, Tucker and I, as we are both fairly active on there.
01:36:22
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And, uh, we just had a, uh, A ah comment from past and future guest ah patron ah Andy greetings over there as well. um We like that guy.
01:36:35
Speaker
Yeah, we do. He's a good dude. He's a cool dude, yeah. Yeah. And you can you can comment on to him as well. ah He's over there. So yeah, join at the free or for five bucks a month, you can also get access to all of our um behind the scenes Patreon content, more of which is coming at some point.
01:36:57
Speaker
ah Nebulous. ah Just, you know, whenever we can find the fucking time to record that shit, ah we'll get it recorded for you. Just know Just know that the Patreon is very important to me.
01:37:11
Speaker
It's very important to get contact content up there. So the fact that we haven't. put anything up there in a while it's taking us a while between means uh it i mean i just want people to know that it's not for lack of wanting to we want to do we do have lives outside of this podcast and unfortunately a lot of times they get in the way we do get very busy and our schedule it's it's it feels like it's harder than ever to align all three of our schedules these days Well, I'll tell you, we had a good run there um where we were doing consistent Patreon stuff.
01:37:46
Speaker
um But it's the last about year or so has everybody, it it just hasn't really aligned, but I'm confident that it will again in the future.
01:37:59
Speaker
There will be another surge. there's There's got to be a morning after. um Speaking of morning after, you can find me, your host, Stephen Foxworthy on social media at Chewy Walrus on Blue Sky and Letterboxd. I'm pretty much abandoning Meta at this point.
01:38:18
Speaker
I've already abandoned X, so it's just those two platforms. Brett, if we were to want to find you on social media, where white meat where might we go about doing that? You can't anymore.
01:38:30
Speaker
Ha! Take that, social media. Not even Letterboxd? I don't ever update it. Touche. There it is. Well, I say I don't ever update it, but I don't watch movies anymore. I don't know when this happened.
01:38:44
Speaker
ah Jonah Hex is the first movie I've watched in maybe a month or two. Holy shit. But wait, can I DM you on Letterboxd and you'd get it and respond to it?
01:38:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, then you're on there. You're on there. I mean, i don't know if I get notifications for Letterboxd. I might not see it until like next year sometime. Brett, if I posted something Letterboxd, I guarantee you would get a notification. Does Letterboxd have DMs? I don't think they do. I have no idea. don't think it does.
01:39:15
Speaker
banned my account for some reason, so I just gave up on it like two years ago. So if you want to follow my letterbox, it's Sus Warlock in case I update it maybe once every other month or so. Yeah, who knows? If I remember after I watch a movie, sure, do that.
01:39:33
Speaker
Otherwise, I'm nowhere to be found on the internet anymore. I love your commitment to it, Brett. Yeah. Fuck social media. it's It's a cancer. And I mean, I'm on Facebook only because I need to be for work.
01:39:48
Speaker
Yeah. If it wasn't for work, then I would not be on Facebook anymore either. But so other than that, fuck social media, burn it to the ground. I hate it all. It's a cancer for a number of reasons.
01:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, fuck TikTok. Steven knows one reason in particular that I posted about recently when I showed back up on Blue Sky briefly. Yeah. Rant about it. TikTok. Yeah. I don't know any details, but it sounds like a fucking mess. It is. Yeah, I'm real pissed off about it. And and look, i um I am on TikTok, but that's just because it's the easiest place to doom scroll.
01:40:23
Speaker
Yeah. and And I mean, it's not like Brett or I are really posting content on TikTok. Like we're there, but we're not posting content. So like don't i don't fucking can follow us there. but she does You're not going to get anything. feeding the machine, man.
01:40:37
Speaker
You're feeding the machine, dude. I'm not feeding anything to the machine other than my finger swiping up and down. like i'm hey Speaking of machine feeding, Tucker, where are you feeding the machine these days?
01:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, man. No, I'm on YouTube. Bullshit. You know your boy's on YouTube, right? But also, um I'm technically still on Instagram. i don't know what's up with that.
01:41:01
Speaker
Um... You're the only one of us still on Instagram, by the way. Which is crazy, to right considering how much you used to hate Instagram. Right? I still hate Instagram. I hate it more than anything in the world, but Tuckmugs, I feel very strongly about Tuckmugs.
01:41:17
Speaker
um And I don't know what I'm doing with it. but Maybe we should move Tuckmugs to Blue Sky for the time being. We'll have to talk about that. Oh my god, you guys, my volume went down a whole lot.
01:41:31
Speaker
I didn't do it. But did you notice it? No. I didn't really notice it, no But now I'm louder, right? You're like really epically loud now Significantly louder to where I should be.
01:41:46
Speaker
Okay, I'll timestamp that. ah Yeah, ah get with me about that though, because I would like to move it, but I don't know anything about No Blue Ski. So let's let's have a I have a little band meeting about it. Not tonight, because I have to pee, and like it's late.
01:42:04
Speaker
time But soon. Well, in that case, let's just call it. Let's call it That Is Jonah Hex. I didn't say what my handle was on these social medias, Stephen. Look, you're the one that has to pee. I'm trying to help you.
01:42:18
Speaker
One moment, please. on on On YouTube and Instagram for now, I am Ice909. That's I-C-E-N-I.
01:42:29
Speaker
N-I-N-E, the number zero and the number nine. And Tuck Mugs is on Instagram at Tuck underscore Mugs. ah When we do decide to move it or whatever we decide to do with it, I will post something on Tuck Mugs on Instagram about that so everyone will know where to go and what to do you can remain ah part of the community, the Tuck Mugs community.
01:42:52
Speaker
All 35 of us. There are dozens of us. Dozens. Yeah, dude. That's like three dozen, dude. it's That's dozen. That's plural. That counts.
01:43:04
Speaker
Which I have to, which really briefly I have to mention, that's the reason I couldn't take his character seriously in this movie. What's his name? That was in Arista Development. Oh, Will Arnett? Will Arnett. I could not take Will Arnett seriously this entire fucking movie.
01:43:18
Speaker
Who took the role because he doesn't get offered any dramatic roles, and yet you can't take him seriously as dramatic actor because all he does is comedy. Like that's great irony.
01:43:30
Speaker
i think he did too. He did a great job. He showed up and did the work. Yeah. sure He read his lines. Anyway, he read his lines. Just read them.
01:43:43
Speaker
Literally. You can see him with his script in hand and the reading glasses person in the bottom of his nose, literally reading the words off the page. That have been hilarious we've done that in the movie. They got cue card, guys.
01:43:58
Speaker
And with that, my friends, that is our episode on Jonah Hex. For my intrepid co-hosts, Brett Wright and Tucker, until next time, I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy, saying yippee-ki-yay, motherfuckers.
01:44:19
Speaker
There's not like any quote in the... You had quotes for our introductions, Steven. but I did. But like, what the fuck? An intro or a stinger? This is not a quotable movie. Like, it's really not. I'm sorry to say.
01:44:34
Speaker
like, oh, don't kill my family. ah And one of the best lines is straight out of the comics where they ask him what happened his face. He's like, cut myself shaven. That's right out of the comics. Hey, hey y' there it is. I like that one.
01:44:47
Speaker
that's That's good. Yeah. So until next time, I cut myself shaving. There you go. The end. Good job. Fuck it. Whatever. Bye, guys. Bye.
01:45:17
Speaker
Bye.