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Down With Love
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Emma & Katie discuss the 2003 throwback to the 60's romcoms of Rock Hudson and Doris Day, along with contact lenses, baseball, La La Land, and Cut for Time: Whether or not Emma was actually banging on the wall..
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Mishap with Contact Lenses
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Speaker
down with love you may have noticed i'm wearing my glasses and there's a dumb reason for it yeah there is a dumb reason um why i was gonna say there's a dumb reason so back in october uh we ordered new contacts kaitlyn i ordered um kaitlyn a year's worth of contacts and me a year's worth my my iris was starting to like, you know, so I took out the old contact to put in the new later. So then later that day, I just took out I threw away the other one too and got fresh contacts like so in two, new two new ones in each eye.
00:00:51
Speaker
And I was like, No, this is wrong. And I checked the prescription. And I'm like, I don't think that that's my prescription. That doesn't seem like my prescription. yeah And um so I went ah to check my prescription, which I have in like an email, you know, something and it says, No, my prescription is not It's, my prescription is a four in both eyes and this is a 5.5 and a 5.75. So that's not right. And then I looked at the boxes and they were 5.5 and 5.75, but they were my brand of contacts, not Caitlin and I have two different brands of contacts. So what had happened was when I ordered new contacts, I ordered Caitlin's prescription in both her brand and my brand and none for Gretchen Wieners. Oh no.
Glasses and Personal Style Journey
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Speaker
So I have no contacts and Caitlin has two years worth so, which is good for her. um a Because she can wear, she can I mean, it's it's not gonna kill her to wear a different brand of the same prescription, I'm sure. um So yeah, so I spent $150 to ah reorder only six months, not a ah not a full year of contacts for Katie.
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Speaker
Dummy baby. um
Introduction to 'Go Get Your Girl' Podcast
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Speaker
I know. You just gotta, you gotta make glasses work for you. You gotta work it into your, uh, your ensembles. Yeah. I'm not, I work a lot like in, in like 2020 I was doing like a glasses thing. Like I got some new glasses and I was wearing glasses a lot. And then I'm, I got over it. I've never really been a huge fan of glasses.
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Speaker
I don't, yeah I'm the same way. I don't really like wearing my glasses. I'll wear wear your glasses a lot though. Well, you're seeing me on Zoom. If I'm like going out, I don't, I don't want to. But I feel like when we hang out in person, I've seen you wear glasses too. Have you? Am I just imagining that? Am I just recontextualizing all of the times I see you in your glasses on these, i think on these video calls?
00:02:54
Speaker
Yeah, because I I'll wear my glasses like when I'm at home, but I don't like wearing them to work. I don't like wearing them out. I don't like wearing them. Well, I like wearing sunglasses, too. So that's a big part of them. Well, I got some like finally got some like clip ons for my glasses because i I got new glasses, which are like black frame ones. But then as soon as I started wearing them, I was like, wow, that seems like because I hadn't had like thickly framed glasses in a while. I was like, I look weird.
00:03:22
Speaker
What is going on? And then I put these guys back on and these thin metal guys and I was like, Oh yeah, this feels better. Um, so I just, you just weren't used to the frames. I just weren't, wasn't used to the friends. I need to, I'll probably, yeah you just got to get used to it. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't like wearing my glasses out. Um, I don't like myself in glasses as well. Um, I'll wear them when I'm at home. Yeah. Yeah. Same. end of Pretty much. Yeah. Because then I can nap anytime. Yeah.
00:03:49
Speaker
I did get them overnighted, so I'm going to get them tomorrow. Oh, nice. Oh, sweet. Fantastic. Well, congratulations. This has been Katie's Glasses Corner. Katie's Financial Fumbles.
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Speaker
Katie's Financial Fumbles. I was going to say formulas, but email. No, that was good. Yeah. Yeah.
Analyzing 'Down With Love' - Themes and Satire
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Speaker
Oh, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. um We have a dotted half note in the middle there. yeah Right? That was totally on purpose. I did not yeah i did that on purpose. That's right, guys. You guessed it. ah this is the pot This is Go Get Your Girl. It's the podcast where um Emma and Katie are living in the 60s, and they write a bestselling book.
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Speaker
But like, it's all about women empowerment. But they're horny as fuck. And they realize this book isn't helping. So they're nemesis. Who's all about doing ladies tries to bring them down. But oh, no, there's more farcical things that happen. I don't know where I'm going with this. ah That's right. Emma.
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Speaker
And I'm Katie and this is Down With Love from 2003 directed by Peyton Reed, the director of Bring It On and the Ant-Man movies of all things. Yeah. Directed all three Ant-Man movies, yeah. Even the Quantum of Solace one? Even the Quantum of Solace one, yes.
00:05:31
Speaker
That one, have a day watch I watched it while I was on an Edible and it didn't help. Yeah, I've heard it's really bad. I didn't watch it. yeah it's um It's written by Eve Allard and Dennis Drake, who are a writing partnership who wrote for some sitcoms in the 90s and legal they wrote they wrote this. They have a story credit on Legally Blonde 2 and that is it. Nothing else other than this movie and that.
00:06:00
Speaker
Which Legally Blonde 2 is not very good, we should say. No, yeah. This movie I like a lot. I think this is super fun. I forgot how much I like this, yeah. But it was not successful. No, you hadn't i really. Oh, I've seen it several times. Yeah. Oh, nice. Well, I remember seeing it and like because I was so young when it came out. I remember number one, watching a behind the scenes making of on Entertainment Tonight. ahha um About it and then going to the theaters and seeing it with my mom.
00:06:30
Speaker
and um I remember thinking like, oh, this is a pretty movie and it's like fun and silly, but I'm not really getting all of the satire. Right, right. Oh, you had you hadn't watched pillow talk a million times by the time you were 13 or whatever.
00:06:49
Speaker
No, that's actually surprising. I'm not being sarcastic. That's surprising. yeah I would have pegged you as a, as a, as a pillow talk. I mean, like it felt very, how to succeed in business without really trying, which is a note that I wrote and it felt very, um, love how to succeed by Bernie. Um, yeah but that that, that was like my, that and like charade were my only sort of like grasp on films of that time.
00:07:13
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I had never seen any Doris Day movies. So I didn't fully grasp the satire until I watched it. Literally, I finished watching it about 20 minutes ago.
00:07:25
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. um Yeah, they they made several pillow talk is the is the most successful and most famous of them. But um they also did, ah what is it, send me send me no flowers and lover come back. And they were like all three of them kind of back to back.
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And this is explicitly a parody of of those movies, of the Rock Hudson, Doris Day, and honestly not really parody as much as like loving homage. Yeah, it felt more like an homage than a parody. I mean, there were like really funny moments where they sort of were like, remember, these movies are really horny, but it was the 60s. So we couldn't say that we couldn't talk about how horny we were.
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Exactly, exactly. um Yeah, that's kind of the game in all of this. um Yeah. they um But yeah, so it's, um yeah, I had definitely seen, at least Pillow Talk, either with my grandmother or with my mom um before. Actually, you know, it might've been one of those things where like we talked about going to see this movie and then my mom showed me Pillow Talk. I don't remember if that's how it went or or not, but I had seen it and before I saw this movie for sure. Yeah. Oh, nice. And I also saw this movie in theaters.
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And I owned it on DVD, it came in a pink box. Yeah, love that.
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um it ah It starts with the 1960s Fox logo, um and then the cinemascope thing, which I love. I love it when movies do that use the old ones because
Plot Exploration: Women's Roles in the 60s
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it's like You can use the whole library of fanfare for your movie when you get it released. So a lot of times filmmakers will pick a fun one. Question for you. Question for you. Do you love it when movies use the old school cinema scope? You love it? The old fanfare? Sure. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I mean, I don't think that excuses a movie being bad just because they did that. it's good That's not one of the problems we did it. That's not one of the problems I have with La La Land.
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Speaker
I was just going to say, um, Katie, actually, La La Land famously starts with it. Oh, you've got me. Yeah, you're right. One thing I praised happens to be it. Listen, listen, I love singing in the rain and the umbrellas of Sherbor and the young ladies of Rochefort, all of which are ripped off heavily by La La Land. That doesn't mean I like La La Land. There's lots of things that La La Land wants to do that I like. I just don't think it's successful at any of those things.
00:10:00
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I'm waiting for the perfect moment for us to do La La Land. That moment has not yet arrived. It'll be the last episode of the podcast because you'll get mad at me.
00:10:12
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I mean, we've done several movies that you've loved that I have not loved. That's true. That's true. Yeah. um ah Bull Durham. And i didn't I didn't hate you for disliking Bull Durham. Right? i Just keep that in mind.
00:10:28
Speaker
Okay, okay will do but I did however receives some text messages a text message from a listener and friend Erin Osnad and she said that um She was surprised. I did not enjoy bull Durham. She said I'm also surprised you didn't like bull Durham. Yeah, it's a it's a beloved movie. Yes too much fucking baseball man Fair enough yeah Anyways. Well, I've got another i've got another i've got another sports romance that you might not like. It's honestly going to be my next pick. So two episodes from now. Stay tuned, y'all.
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ah Fine. I guess I'll learn about sports. I don't care about sports. I don't like sports at all. But there's some movies that I i do, yeah. But you're a fan of sports rom-coms.
00:11:24
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Well, I'm a fan of these two, at least. I can't think. I mean, fever pitch with ah um Drew Barrymore and yeah um Jimmy Fallon. Haven't haven't seen it. Oh, I remember seeing it. I and then being shocked that it's actually based on it's based on a Nick Hornberry book. Yeah. You're right. And the book is about football, not baseball, soccer, football. I mean, soccer.
00:11:50
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Yes, which is, and they made a movie of that too, a British movie with Colin Firth, yeah. Oh, they did? Yeah, there's ah there's a fever pitch from like 1998 or something with Colin Firth based on the book, yeah. Oh, wow. And see, that's a that's a pun because in in soccer, they call the field the pitch. Oh. So it makes more sense to be about soccer then.
00:12:17
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but in But in baseball, you you pitch the ball. Oh my God, it works both ways. Yeah, it works both ways. Look at that. Not to praise a Jimmy Fallon movie, but. But there we go. We'll at least never do Taxi. Not Taxi. Wait, is it Taxi? It's Taxi. Yeah, we'll never do Taxi, yes. Calling it right now, we're never going to do the Jimmy Fallon remake of a French comedy called Taxi with him and Queen Latifah.
00:12:45
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which I have also never seen because why would any nobody's seen it. It's never been seen by anyone. I've seen it
Character Relationships and 60s Homage
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several times, but it's not good. Honestly, of course you have. I know.
00:13:00
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It's not good. um Yeah, I've heard. I've heard it's not good. You know what's in Taxi and this movie? And no, the answer is not Queen Latifah. The answer is New York City. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, so we start with like, with a narrator, uh, coming in and he's like, New York City, the time now 1962. And I'm like, I love this fucking movie. ah Immediately.
00:13:28
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Right off the bat, I'm like, yeah, this fucking rules. We start on Grand Central Terminal, Renee Zellweger comes out, she's wearing like. A gorgeous outfit. Yeah, Jackie Kennedy clothes. Like it's not a pillbox hat. It's like, I don't know what you call that hat that she's wearing, but it's it's very 1962. It's like pink checkered suit kind of thing. Yeah, it's got a weird neckline. and It's very 1960s.
00:13:56
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um And we are doing, it they do the song, um actually before that, I'm sorry, they there's a there's like an animated opening um with the song Down With Love, which which is an old song um written by Arlen and Harburg, which is um famously the guys who did The Wizard of Oz. Which is why Judy Garland sang it on The Ed Sullivan Show when they used that footage later in the movie, yeah.
00:14:23
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I was gonna say. And then they later used that footage as side-by-side comparison so that they could cast Renee Zellweger as Judy Garland. No, they didn't. But looking at it, um I was like, oh yeah, they do look a a lot alike. Yeah. Well, I mean, then she had heavily facial reconstructive surgery at some point. and Yeah. Before that movie ended, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But we meet Renee Zellweger, Barbara Zellweger.
00:14:50
Speaker
Barbara Novak, um who has come to New York from rural Maine because she wrote a bestseller, or she wrote a book that has just been accepted for publication called Down with Love, a how-to book for ah young women in the professional world of of super modern 1962. Yep, super, super modern. And this movie will remind you how modern that is.
00:15:19
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Yeah. So the first thing that happens is she meets Sarah Paulson, which, did you know she was in this? I forgot. Well, I guess I didn't know who she was at the time, but I was like, is Sarah Paulson in this? Everyone and their mom is in this. This cast is stacked. Yeah. It seems like it's about 10 years before Sarah Paulson became famous that she was in this movie. Oh, for sure. Yeah.
00:15:43
Speaker
Um, she is the editor of, uh, of the book Down With Love. She's, um, Renee Zelliger's editor and she takes her to the, the, the publishing house, um, which is all, it's obviously all run by men and they go into a board room where everybody has two initials. Uh, Matt Ross and Timothy Ondmanson are two of the, the faceless corporate guys that just kind of like pop out.
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um Who are people you would recognize? Tim Onmansen is ah Lassie from Site? Lassie, yeah. That's the first thing Charlie said. ah So Charlie and I had to watch this separately because he's working upstairs and I was watching it downstairs, but he needed both of his computers.
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So he was just watching it on his phone and like sending me text updates with his thoughts. um And he came downstairs to get a snack and he goes, last season this, last season. Yeah. yeah um And Matt Ross ah is probably best known for Silicon Valley, but he was also in ah Big Love and a bunch of other, like mostly like prestige TV shows and stuff. Yeah. A lot of comedies.
00:16:51
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um And then there's a portrait of Tony Randall, who is famously in Pillow Talk. ah And in I think he might be in all of those Doris Day Rock Hudson movies. I think he's like the third person in all of them, honestly. Really?
00:17:06
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who's like the head of the publishing house. And he has a cameo later. um But all of these men are horrified ah by the premise of her book, which is basically that women don't need love and don't need men. And they're like, well, what do you mean? Does that mean that like they're she's abstaining? And she's like, no, no, no, women can have sex. And that's like a very distinctive like point of this. It's like, yes, yeah women should be able to have sex the way that men have sex.
00:17:35
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Exactly. Which of course is not a la carte, yes, which is not something they could have made a movie about in 1962. But all of that was kind of subtext in the the sex comedies of ah the early 60s. Exactly. but um And she says, and if they can't, they can, ah they can pleasure themselves. and ever And it does this scene of every man leaning forward onto the table. She's like, with chocolate.
00:18:03
Speaker
It does the same thing to their brains, as love does. Why do I have not found that to be true? I don't know about you. I also have not found that to be true. it does I would prefer a vibrator.
00:18:16
Speaker
Chocolate just doesn't, it doesn't quite hit the same. Yeah, yeah. You know. As an orgasm. Yes, correct. Yes. Sound with love.
00:18:30
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But that is the, that's the you know, ah veiled premise of of this movie. um yes and And the third, that what is put us part three? So part one is cut off ah dating men. Part two is eating chocolate. And part three is like a la carte. Is a la carte, yeah. You have sex like i like a man.
00:18:56
Speaker
Yes, without falling in love and without marriage because then they are, oh, and then they're actualized enough to to be powerful in the workplace. That's the idea. Yeah. And the men are horrified by this and they're like, well, we're not going to market that like we may have already could like published it, but we're not going to market it. Yeah. And so Sarah Paulson has a plan and her plan is ah that she's already put forward She flirted with the owner of No Magazine for Men in the No, which is like an Esquire or like yeah you know Playboy or something something like that. More like Esquire than Playboy, because I don't think it's like pornography specifically, but yeah it's a men's magazine in the 60s. They're going to have a cover story written by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, woman's, what is it? Woman's man, man's man? Man on the street.
00:19:52
Speaker
Yeah, man Man About Town is the third one, but it's Ladies Man. Ladies Man, Man's Man, Man of About Town, Catcher Block, which is just one of the... So good. Love the name Catcher Block. We got to name people stupid ass shit in movies again. right movie um The movie Pacific Rim, yeah which I love with my whole heart. ah Absolutely dumb ass movie. People are like, well, that movie is i'm like the movie is great. and They're like, it looks stupid. And I said, Idris Elba's character's name is Stacker Pentecost. And that that's all you need to know. but And sock them, bop them robots.
00:20:33
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Yeah, yeah. um But more importantly, yeah, Catcher Block is up there with Stacker Pentecost in like the best names that a man has ever had in a movie. Yes. and then we get a pi And then we get him, which he is coming down into the building on a NASA helicopter with three, with three I think they're triplets, supposedly, like that in real life maybe, but um all trump be like begging him to stay as he has to go back to work. Ewan McGregor is attempting an English accent, which is not great. it's He's still Scottish. Yes, yes. he I mean, I'm trying to think, does he do an English accent in other movies? He's got to have done one. Yeah. um But it it slips a lot. um yeah I don't know why he bothered. like Why can't he just be Scottish?
00:21:30
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why I honestly didn't even realize he was doing an English accent. I thought he was just Scottish the entire time. The captions say English accent, and then I have i do notice that like some of his like he's dropping some Rs and picking some of them up too, so it's really inconsistent.
Catcher Block's Plan and Comedic Chaos
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Weirdly, I think his Southern American accent is better than his English accent.
00:21:53
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Ooey Magooey. Yeah, his zip his Zip Martin accent. Zip Martin, also a stupid name. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like it's it's that's what an astronaut would be named, you know, like Buzz Aldrin. Like that's not a real name. Yeah. Yeah. Zip. I did write one of my notes is what is Zip short for? Zip-tifer. Zip-tifer. Yeah.
00:22:20
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He comes down into his building where he's met with David Hyde Pierce, the fourth lead of the movie, um who is in the Tony Randall kind of role, ah the nebbish um kind of effeminate worthless man, his best friends with the hyper-toxic masculine main character. Yes.
00:22:45
Speaker
and um And he's he's so funny in this movie. he's I mean, David Hyde Pierce is great. I love David Hyde Pierce. um he And it's funny that he and Sarah Paulson are both gay as as they can be. And the yeah the second romance in this, yeah. Yeah. um Honestly, I feel like this script was made for David Hyde Pierce. I thought that he was the MVP of this movie. Absolutely, yes, yes, he is. He's yeah hilarious, as always. um and And he is kind of like the the parody of the Tony Randall kind of thing. like It's a little bit more um specifically map make mocking that character, I would say, than probably the other ones. um but it's ah But it's fun. And you still like him, because that's kind of the magic of David Hyde Pierce. No matter how obnoxious and and silly he is, you still like him. yeah
00:23:40
Speaker
And no matter how much he goes, he talks about him being a spinster. You still for him Yes, exactly. Um, so yeah, so there's the there's this great scene where he's like, you're fired catcher block because I told you you had to write this you were trying to expose Nazis and you're running off to cocoa beach with the triplets.
00:24:02
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And he goes, did I? He goes, you found Nazis at Coco Beach. And he goes, Argentina's not the only place they're hiding Nazis. Which is, of course, true. Like, so Casher Black exposed Operation Paperclip with Wernher von Braun, the Nazi lead scientist of NASA in the 60s. Love a little bit of like historical um coming together there.
00:24:28
Speaker
Right. Um, it was so good because Charlie and I both had the same note, which is David Hyde Pierce's line, which is, um, Nazis are bad. We're good. I was like, Oh, what a time. Yeah. Well, what a different time. Yeah. The 60s and also 2003 when people cared if people were Nazis or not. Um, exactly. Moving on.
00:24:54
Speaker
Then they have, we have one of the the great innuendo scenes where they're discussing garters on socks, where Eunice Gregor is explaining to him that you don't need garters in socks. And like, my sos socks will stay up with this elastic band. And he goes, well, how long are they? And then the secretary is listening in on the conversation, but only hears them discussing the length of a man's hose, as they describe.
00:25:20
Speaker
Yep, so she thinks that it's a plan. Yeah, that's 16 inches. And don't forget, I've got two of them. And then she passes out, which, understandable. And the whole thing, the whole point of that is to show that like, um, oh my God, um, what's his name? Ewan McGregor's character. Catch or block. Uh, catch or block goes through secretary's like Kleenex. Yes, exactly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:49
Speaker
And then we have the bit where they're trying to schedule this interview and they mostly excuse for Renee Zelliger and Sarah Paulson. Sarah Paulson, God damn it. Get a chance to show off incredible outfits one after another. Oh my God, every single outfit is just amazing. The first one, they both- The yellow coat and then the checkered, oh my God.
00:26:15
Speaker
And then the checkered coat and the yellow dress, like it's just like, can we get outfits like that so that when we go to somewhere, anywhere, people are just like, I don't think that would happen. If we ever do a convention, we should dress like Sarah Paulson and Renee Zellweger from this movie. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because it's phenomenal. And they just drop their coats everywhere they go. I love it so much. Yeah. Yes. And I think that the costumes in this movie are fantastic, obviously, because So that's that's hol a part of the point. The production design, the art direction, the colors, the cinematography. It's like, this is such a good example of they're like, well, you can't do like, you can't make a movie look like it's shot in Technicolor anymore. It's like, well, they did in 2003. That's true. um You can definitely do it. You're just not trying hard enough. Yeah. um It looks beautiful. It's so fun and bubbly. Yeah. You can tell that the
00:27:12
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the people that made this movie really had an appreciation for the source material. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um And like all the color coding between the apartments and stuff, and all the green with Sarah Paulson and David Hyde Peirce. Yes, absolutely gorgeous. It's all fantastic. um And he cancels on her repeatedly to hook up with various flight attendants.
00:27:39
Speaker
various flight attendants in public places. The first one is a matinee of Camelot. The second one is in a box. The pictures round, I think, at Yankee Stadium. And then the third one, he's at home, but that's fine. But like, what?
00:27:57
Speaker
Because he thinks that she's ugly, which is the the point here. He's like, why do I want to meet with this spenster and write ah this librarian spenster? and but had pierces like I don't want to waste my time. And we have this the the the split scene, there the split screen telephone calls, which is like a hallmark of pillow talk specifically. Lots of phone calls. The lightning bolt one in the middle where she gets mad at him and tells him to fuck off, basically. Yes. So good. Yeah.
00:28:28
Speaker
And then she goes on What's My Line and calls him out on national television. and ah turned well oh no that was for So first they get Judy Garland on the Ed Sullivan show to sing a song, Down With Love, which makes the book a hit, yes. Yeah, a best seller. And it's flying off the shelves. And they do of all the women buying it. Yeah. They're smuggling it into China and Russia, which is a little racist, but, you know. Yep, they're like, don't forget these places were communists. Yeah. Let's not forget the commies.
00:29:10
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And um so Catcher Block does not care for this. And now all of a sudden he can't ah get laid because all the women have turned against him because of ah Because of her because she because of Barbara Novak called him out. Yeah. Yeah yeah and um He's very upset and he's mad about it And so then and he realizes also that she's not a brunette ugly spinster. She's a blonde gorgeous lady There's a standy of her in the bookstores and she and he sees that she's hot and so he changes his mind So there's this
00:29:50
Speaker
Really great scene with him and ah you know a Neil Patrick Harris. David Hyde Pierce.
Revealing Barbara Novak's True Identity
00:29:56
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ah And he's like, ah listen, I got to go right now. He goes, what, I need to get my dry cleaning. He says, no no, get in the cab. We're going. And he's like, actually, never mind. I'll get your dry cleaning. You go to the office. He goes, I waited for you to eat your hot dog.
00:30:15
Speaker
Which absolutely, absolutely cracked me up. Yes. He throws David Hyde Pierce in the cabin, goes to the um dry cleaner yeah ah because he sees her going towards it.
00:30:31
Speaker
Right? Is that what happens? He sees her going towards it and he like crosses the street like inconspicuously and he goes into the dry cleaner and you find out that the dry cleaner and the dry cleaner is a husband and wife duo and the wife is a big fan of the book and she tells the husband, get back in there and you do the ironing. I'm gonna stay up front all day and I'm gonna mingle with the customers.
00:30:54
Speaker
And then Barbara Novak comes in and she, you know, of course is like, oh, thank goodness. Oh, my gosh, anything for you. And they're standing there waiting for their dry cleaning. And um he ah he pretends that he thinks that she's Kim Novak. And she goes, oh, the actress. Yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah, the actress. No, I'm Barbara Novak, the bestselling author. And he goes, I don't i don't know who that is. I don't know who you are. He's doing a Southern American accent, yes. Yeah, sorry. I don't know who you are. He's got David Hyde Pierce's glasses on, which later he goes, did you lose your glasses to David Hyde Pierce? He's so mean to him. Right? um So yeah, so he has his NASA security clearance badge from when he was down there exposing Nazis.
00:31:46
Speaker
And he introduces himself as Zip Martin, astronaut, who's been in space. And that's the reason why he hasn't heard of Barbara Novak or Down With Love. Yes, because he's been in space.
00:31:59
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because she can't get laid. That's the other thing. She's lamenting. she She can't find any men to fuck her because they're all mad at her because all the women have read the book and nobody wants to. It's it's created a schism in New York between men and women. Nobody's getting laid. It's terrible.
00:32:18
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um So she tries to pick him up immediately. um She's like, we can see what we have in common and what we have that's different. You get to know each other better. We can get to know each other all the way better is what she said. Yeah. There's so many puns and innuendos in this. It's so fucking good. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, oh, I couldn't do that. Not in any way.
00:32:42
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And um he goes, I'd have to I'd have to get to know before I got to know you all the way better. I don't have to get to know you much better. Yeah. So they go on a montage of dates all over the city. ah They go to see Camelot, ah where she's like, I can't believe we must be the only people in New York who haven't seen Camelot. And he goes, well, I can promise assure you, I can promise you that I have never seen it because he was having sex in the box the last time. Yeah, which must have been very distracting for the actors. Well, they're probably just giving each other hand jays, I'm guessing, you know, like,
00:33:14
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I think they were. You don't think they were straight up fucking in the box and Broadway, right? I don't know. I mean, I don't know what New York City was like in 1962. That's true. I mean, and all the ushers and security guards know him. So I don't know, maybe. Yeah, they know that that's one of his bang, his bang places. His.
00:33:37
Speaker
ah Yeah, the Shubert Theater is one of the places where he. Where he just loves to get laid. Must be nice. It seems uncomfortable. see um Yeah, cause like and then he tells the maitre d of the restaurant. He goes, call me Zip Martin from now on and tell all the other maitre d's and doorman. I'm like, what a world. I know, right? He just knows everyone, because he's a ladies man, a man's man, a man about town. A man about town. Yeah, and all these men are going to lie for him to help him ah trick a woman, which is accurate, I guess. Yes, exactly. They're like bros before hoes, baby.
00:34:15
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Yeah. um ah So then they go on a bunch of dates ah and then she they're they're at, oh, he switches apartments with David Hyde Pierce. um So he is pretending to have David Hyde Pierce's apartment and David Hyde Pierce, who's fallen in love with ah Sarah Paulson's character, the editor,
00:34:36
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has given, has got the keys to his swing and bachelor pad, which he doesn't know how to operate yeah because everything, like the bed is automatic and the record player and the bar comes out of the wall. It's one of those and he's like apartments where everything's by a button. And if you press a button yeah for like sex, like, um, like what's his name in, uh, I'm family guy. Quagmire. Yes. Yes. The, the serial rapist, uh, and on that cartoon show. Yes.
00:35:06
Speaker
Yes. I'm a. Giggity Giggity. Not really a family guy person myself. um
00:35:18
Speaker
So, yes, so he's been going out with her as well. Then we like kind of fast forward to a ah beatnik party. Yes, that there have it growing.
00:35:30
Speaker
ah David Pierce is throwing he's stoned out of his mind. He's calling everybody Daddio and um He gets me goes. Oh, yeah, we went to a coffee shop in the village, but they got raided So we everybody came here and there's all of these hippies and beatniks In the apartment She comes there and catches catcher About to have sex with this other woman and he manages to play it off and says that he's um he got drugged Uh, with weed. Yeah, drugged with weed. Well, we don't know. Like, I mean, I guess it could have been like LSD or something. I mean, the way he was wording it, it sounded like drugged with weed. She goes, she drugged you. He goes, yeah, she drugged me all the way here. Like, I appreciate that. Little wordplay. There's a bit later where she's like, where the magazines are called no. And now and he goes, well, we don't know now like we knew now. Yeah, it's just, it's so good.
00:36:32
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Oh, just like pristine writing here.
00:36:39
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But after that, what happens after that? Well, um she forgives him and then they make a date and he's like, I think I do love you. know I do know you now and well enough to know you all the way. oh yeah And she goes, great, let's do it. and um And then he tells David Hyde Pierce, he goes, I've got this plan. I'm going to write a book. i'm goingnna I'm going to write um an article for the magazine, a cover story.
00:37:03
Speaker
expose on Barbara Novak how she abandoned her principles and she fell in love. I got her to fall in love with me, Catcher Block. It'll ruin her. It'll end the battle of the sexes. And, um, but, and but, but David Hyde Pierce is like, but, but I'm in love with Sarah Paulson and Ewan McGregor does not care about that at all.
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah, and Sarah Paulson also reveals at this they go out on a date at a Chinese restaurant. And Sarah Paulson reveals she's like, you know, I know they have one of those things where he thinks she's talking about one thing and she thinks he's talking about another thing. And she thinks that he's gay or for Ewan McGregor because he has a picture of Ewan McGregor's parents. He went and cooked for Ewan McGregor.
00:37:51
Speaker
Because yeah, which are lies, which are lies that he told because of that. he could And and she's like, well, I thought we were i have for a moment, I thought we were in some kind of sex comedy where you would switch departments because no, that's exactly what we were doing. But then he has to reveal the plan that catcher has done for yes this like big expose. So, you know,
00:38:20
Speaker
um then we get to Barbara and catcher at not catcher's apartment. Yeah, at Peter's apartment at David Hyde Pierce's. And what they say is David Hyde Pierce's apartment, but is actually his apartment. Yes, yes, exactly. Well, because he's just like, um this guy's gonna write an expose on me. And so they go there thinking that they're gonna go on this dinner date with Catcher, what's his name? And um he wanted to call him Catcher Ry, but that's just because Catcher in the Ry. That's a different thing, yeah. Yeah. He claims that, oh yeah, that's another thing he said when she called him. He said that Catcher in the block, Catcher in the block, god damn it. Catcher in the block, I know once you hear it, you can't hear it. Catcher block is going to write um an article about the NASA secret project that he's working on. And so, um yeah.
00:39:18
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Yeah, and so they go there to his apartment to meet him for dinner, and there's a note on the door saying, oh, so sorry, like um I had to cancel, but feel free to drink the champagne that I got for us.
00:39:30
Speaker
It's inside, here's a key. And so they go in and you know start making out. And lo and behold, one of the um flight attendants that Kecher Block was hooking up with at the beginning of the movie uses the girlfriend key to let herself into the apartment to have some sex a la carte. But she sees that he's busy. Yeah, he's recording her saying that she loves him, yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker
Yeah, but not only does she love him, but she wants to marry him. She can't have sex with him until she marries him, which is completely against. And so then he's caught and he and he's just like, whoa, let me explain, let me explain. And then you think there's gonna be this huge fight, but no, the tides have turned again. Yeah, twist ending.
00:40:22
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Um, Barbara Novak knew all along because Barbara Novak isn't Barbara Novak. Barbara Novak is made up. Barbara Novak was originally one of the secretaries for catcher.
00:40:38
Speaker
for for catcher for it with McGregor and um catcher block and just like I wanna say catcher in the right and then I wanna say catcher Carlson and then I wanna say catcher Tarleton. I don't know why it's just not sticking in my brain. That's not good. Yeah.
00:40:54
Speaker
yeah It's one of the greatest names in all of fiction. I can't believe you can't remember it. It's been a week, baby. She was in love with him and decided. It's this it's a one shot monologue. It doesn't even cut back to him. It doesn't do like it doesn't show any flashbacks. It's all this one take.
00:41:14
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long monologue that she delivers directly to camera. Basically, it's really good. And she's like, but I realized that I had to write a number one bestseller denouncing men. And that was the only way that it's and it's this ridiculously convoluted yeah plan that she's She's known the whole time that he was catcher block. She was actually playing him to try to ah get him to fall in love with her because the only way that, the only person that he could fall in love with is a woman who was, um who could live up to the the person he cared about more than anyone, himself. yeah which is himself um yeah So she's just as conniving and self centered and arrogant as he is, which makes him realize that he's in love with her. yeah
00:42:01
Speaker
Exactly. And then he becomes a whole new man. And he's like, boy What? And she's like, I don't need you anymore. All right, bye. Well, Jerry Ryan comes back in the the flight attendant yeah comes back in and she's like, you're Barbara Novak. I just realized that, you know, you've done so much for women. And like, you've changed the world. And I just wanted you to know how much I respect you. And she's like, Oh, shit.
00:42:24
Speaker
Like, she didn't intend to become a feminist icon, really. She did this for the wrong reasons, but now she's kind of discovered that she has principles and wants to help women. Which is like, if this movie was in the 1960s, it would have ended before this came out, you know? Like, she would have she would have gone to marry him and given up her her life of feminism to be a housewife and a mother in the suburbs, for sure. But she can't do that. yeah um them kissing But she can't do that. And she's like, i I don't want you like I, it's more important that I do this for, for women. And then we like fast forward to months later or whatever. And it's, um, Sarah Paulson's like, I can't believe we remembered that you were a millionaire multitime multiple times over and we could start our own magazine. So now she started her own magazine called now different from no.
00:43:23
Speaker
And it's all the women in in New York have left to join to work for her. Like now, yeah no magazine doesn't have any secretaries because they've all left to work for Barbara Novak. Yes.
00:43:38
Speaker
ah So all the men don't know what to do with themselves. Yeah. Catcher wants to write a cover story saying he's he's telling David Hyde Pierce, I'm a new man. I want to um I went to write a cover story, like an expose on catcher block, how Barbara Novak falling in love with Barbara Novak made me a new man. And he's like, well, we can't publish it. We don't have anybody to work here. And so he applies for a job at now magazine where yeah um Renee Zellweger is interviewing applicants. She's like, I don't want to see him. And Sarah yeah is like, we have to see him. He applied for a job. We're an equal opportunity employer. Yeah. And she's wearing a what we'll call Chekhov's turban.
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah, it's Chekhov's turban. It was an outfit. to I remember when I first saw this movie, I was like, that's a choice. That is a wrong choice. Yes. Yeah. But it's revealed later why she's wearing that. Yes. Yes. It was like a big hat. They didn't need to do.
00:44:38
Speaker
even though i know Well, I mean, it was a six. It was totally a 60s thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Especially like, especially a feminist thing, I think specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I just feel like the all white was like maybe too much. Like the white outfit, the white turban, it just like felt too much. You know, it's round. It's definitely it's definitely over the top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:01
Speaker
So he comes in and interviews her and she's like, you're too, you you make too much money. We can't pay you anything. Like you can't do this. And he's like, well, this is the, read this. And he gives her like the article, like how falling love barber nobody made me a ah new man or whatever. And he's like, and she's like, Oh, so you exposed me as my, you know, real name, which I don't remember something Brown. Yeah. He's like, no, no, I,
00:45:24
Speaker
Yeah. He's like, I think that, that, you know, we can find, and she goes, you would expect me to, you know, go back and work in the, um, and live in, live in the suburbs and raise a family. He goes, no, we can both be career people. Like we can find a way between Brown haired, you know, Janet Brown and, or whatever her name was. And I see blonde Barbara Novak. And she's like, well, maybe or something, or something like she, she blows them off and he's like, okay. And he leaves.
00:45:53
Speaker
And he's like walking away and he does the thing earlier where he walked away and counted to three and then she stopped him, but he she doesn't stop him this time. And he gets to the elevator and I don't know, I guess she ran down the stairs and got on the elevator and came back. It doesn't matter. And she's in the elevator and she's like somewhere between brown and blonde and she pulls the turban off and her hair is red.
Conclusion of 'Down With Love' and Classic Rom-Com Tribute
00:46:16
Speaker
What about a red head? And he goes, that's perfect.
00:46:20
Speaker
and they could take the elevator to the roof and they get in his NASA helicopter, or rather, they don't. They dangle dangerously off the ladder. They fly out of Manhattan on what I presume is a 12-hour helicopter ride from ah New York to Las Vegas to get married. Atlantic City does state marriages. It's very close to New York City.
00:46:46
Speaker
That's way closer than going to Las Vegas, but you know, the sixties, you got to do Viva Las Vegas, but like, um, ah she yo but That's so dangerous on a ladder. I know she's in heels in every scene in this movie, to be fair. yeah even She has her after, yeah, she has her bedroom heels like that. She gets into out of the bathtub directly into those little fur lined, um, uh, little sandals.
00:47:13
Speaker
Um, also, oh my God, the lingerie that she's wearing in that with that robe. Fucking amazing. Her apartment also like her $50 million dollar in 1962 apartment that they give her just along with the book deal when she gets to New York. And she goes, ah yes she's like, I guess this is cute.
00:47:33
Speaker
Yeah, like it's adorable. That's what she says. This is adorable. My favorite scene is the split screen that they do about ah with just like her and Ewan McGregor. And it's there. He's like working out and she's just like lounging and it's made to look like they're like having sex but they're not. Uh huh. So fucking good. So fucking good.
00:47:58
Speaker
Um, and, uh, and then, uh, like there's a little bit of credits and then we get a quick scene with David Hyde Pierce and Sarah Paulson where they're like, I'm in love with you. Let's get married. I want to, I don't want to give up my career. Really? Okay. Deal. and they both Yeah. And they both say it exactly the same way and they hang up.
00:48:17
Speaker
And then yeah we have the um Chris Parnell, ah as the host of let's um of What's My Line, introduces them singing a song based on the new ah on the new book, Here's to Love. And this is a Mark Shaiman.
00:48:37
Speaker
song who did the music for this called Here's to Love and they do a duet, which apparently they shot much later because Ewan McGregor and Renee Zellweger, it wasn't in the script, Ewan McGregor and Renee Zellweger got together and they're like, hey, we should, we should do a song for this. Like, cause both of them had just been in Famous Beezo. He had been in Moulin Rouge and she had been in Chicago. Yeah. And they're like, we got to do a song. Like this song, this movie's like a musical with no songs in it. We should do a song.
00:49:05
Speaker
And so, and so it ends with them singing here's to love, which is super sweet over the credits. It's very cute. It's very, very cute. And they, they fucking crush it. And you're like, I love both of them. I love this movie. It's super fun, super dumb. Um, in homage to the sixties farce rom com. Um, and looks absolutely gorgeous. It makes you want to live in a little like, you know,
00:49:33
Speaker
box world of that 1960s. It's one of those things that's like, you know, there's so few movies and people complain, this isn't, this is a very common complaint, but like people complain about like the color correction on movies and stuff. And like Wicked was like this too, like It's supposed to be colorful. like How hard is it to make it look colorful? like I mean, Barbie did it. This movie did it. like i mean But I'm a cheerleader, did it on like no budget in the 90s. So like yeah it's certainly possible to remember that color is an important tool in making a movie, a visual medium, successful. yeah
00:50:12
Speaker
yeah um And I don't really... watch Yeah, and it doesn't have to be realistic. like yeah People don't care about that, I promise you, especially not in ah fantasy comedy movies. Exactly. Or musical. Exactly. Exactly. Goodness gracious. Any other thought? Oh, Charlie's Corner for this book, for this book, for this movie, um besides the whole, ah did you bang on the wall ah to situation?
00:50:50
Speaker
um Is $1.25 for a hardback book? Shocking. Yeah, I guess so. In 1962. One of my favorite websites, Inflation Calculator. Inflation Calculator.
00:51:13
Speaker
Let's see 1962 to today Mmm, that's only 1059 so that's still very sure. No, hold on. That was It's 1298 which is still a third of how much a hardback book costs. Yeah. Yeah, there's like $30 Yeah, so it's not just inflation or rather a dollar 25 was very cheap in 1962 for a hardback book also probably Yeah. Well, they're just flying off the shelves. Yeah. Well, every every woman in New York owns it. Yeah. And in China and in Russia. That's true. Yeah. I wonder if Anastasia would have bought this book.
00:51:58
Speaker
Well, she's living in Paris, so probably. Well, she was already married to Alexei at this point.
Episode Wrap-up and Upcoming Movie Announcement
00:52:03
Speaker
hey, many, many late of those married ladies were buying those books and helped them. That's true. And also he might have, uh, he might've died, you know, because, uh, 1962, it's been almost 40 years since Anastasia. They're in their sixties. So he could have died. Maybe Alexi's dead. And then she has like, uh, like a fun, uh, who was Alexi? Oh, Alexi's her brother. Yeah. Did me, Alexi's definitely dead. Uh, Dimitri. Yes.
00:52:35
Speaker
Yeah, there's ah there's a bit um where she's interviewing him and she goes, well, so how you you'd feel comfortable in that position? He goes, well, I've been on top for so long. I thought it might be fun to try a new position. Should be like under a woman.
00:52:51
Speaker
Classic. Amazing. um Any other thoughts, feelings, opinions? Sarah Paulson says, for as man crazy as I've been my entire life, I just can't stand him. I think I'll just get married.
00:53:05
Speaker
Yes. Relatable. um As two people who got married in their early 20s. I know. Mid 20s, I guess. Not that relatable. But boy, it's funny, fun to pretend. Yeah. um Yeah, that's ah that's down with love. It's ah it's a delight.
00:53:33
Speaker
start to finish, not really, I don't really think, I can't think of any criticisms. I think this is like a four star movie for me. Like it's just super fun. It's 95 minutes long, like. Yeah, I think it was ahead of its time, which seems insane. Oh, for sure. But I don't think it was the right, 2003 was not the right time for it to come out. um Yeah. Because I don't think that's what 2003 audiences wanted. Yeah. Post 9-11, like.
00:54:04
Speaker
They want an American Pie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. An American Pie 2, an American Pie 3. An American Pie 4, an American Pie Bandcamp. How many American Pie movies have you seen? I've seen, I think, at least four. I've seen zero American Pie movies. You've seen zero? Technically, it's a rom-com. Zero American Pie movies.
00:54:32
Speaker
We might have to do it on this podcast. Yeah, you can make me watch it, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. yeah ah Charlie loves the American Pie movies, which is the reason why I've seen four. That's unsurprising.
00:54:48
Speaker
you know I feel like I put the American Pie movies in the same camp as baseball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Another movie I haven't seen. painting baseball Yeah, I've not seen it. I will will know I have seen baseball and I hated it. Um, yeah Two of your least favorite things baseball and basketball Who's against vaccines Jenny McCarthy
00:55:23
Speaker
Jenny McCarthy, yeah, she's the one. Wow, I'm surprised I pulled that out. There's a lot of people to choose from there. I know, right? In this day and age. Yeah, I think that's about it.
00:55:40
Speaker
Yeah? for ah For Down With Love, yeah. What are we doing next week? um Next week, okay. So I have two okay on my mind. I'm gonna give you a choice.
00:55:54
Speaker
Okay. We can't decide. So one is a historical rom-com set in the 1940s. Oh. One is- Hold on, is it made in the 1940s or set in the 1940s? Set in the 1940s. Okay. Made in like 2017 or something like that, or 2016. Okay. I'm trying to think of what that could be. I don't know if you've seen it. um Not as commie, but definitely very rommy.
00:56:23
Speaker
Then we get modern day set in California, more commie than it is rommy. Okay, okay. um Okay, I'm gonna pick the modern, i because i know I know what I'm gonna pick is my next one, which is more rommy than commie. So let's do the more commie than rommy one, yeah. Amazing, beautiful. We're doing always be my maybe.
00:56:53
Speaker
Oh yeah. Okay. Fun. Yeah. Yeah. Super, super fun. Starring. Oh my God. Ali Wong and the guy from fresh off the boat. I forget his name, but I will remember because we will be talking Randall park. So always be my baby. Great. Love to hear it. Yeah. Amazing. Shall we outro? Yes.
00:57:18
Speaker
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00:57:48
Speaker
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