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Imagine Me & You
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Emma & Katie discuss the premier lesbian-romcom-written-by-a-straigh-man Imagine Me & You, and also lots of book chat, TV for old people, cockney rhyming slang, "dogging," and whether or not the guy from this movie hooks up with a ten year old, (ten years in the future)
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Anniversary Plans and Movie Choices
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Yeah. Here we are. got notes. On a hump day. Oh God, there it is again. Yep. Yep. Here we are Happy hump day, Katie.
00:00:12
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i haven't heard the phrase hump day since the last time you said it to me. Eight, ten episodes ago, however long ago it was. And while you're not disappointed, happy hump day. Boom.
00:00:23
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you say so. you have any fun plans for this hump day? Yeah, it's our anniversary. Oh my happy anniversary. Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah. What are you guys doing?
00:00:35
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We're going to see Mission Impossible. That seems like a strange choice, but okay. It's... we're to go to the Alamo. So like they have food there and we'll eat dinner and watch the the movie.
00:00:50
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um Yeah, we don't really ever do anything for Anniversary. We usually just go to dinner somewhere. And this was that was Caitlin's idea. That's what she wanted to do. so But like Mission Impossible? Yeah, they're they're good. We've had this conversation before. We like the Mission Impossible movies.
00:01:05
Speaker
Again, once again, proving you and Jeremy are the same brain. He as well, when we went and saw Sinners, we were sitting through the trailers and the Mission Impossible came up and I oh, and he goes, yeah, here's the thing.
00:01:19
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i know they're bad. You haven't seen them. They're not bad. they're yeah They're quite good. They're very good. And I know that um he was like, I know that Tom Cruise is really bad, but like, I can't stop watching him.
00:01:32
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No, because they're great. Yeah. if you would you're gonna you're gonna I was having this conversation with some some friends on Sunday about the Fast and the Furious movies. like
00:01:42
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like If you watch them, you'll get into it. like the first The first Fast and the Furious movie is about these... The movie was took came out in 2001, I believe. It is about thieves who steal DVD players.
00:01:55
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That is what that movie is about. And in the ninth one, in the ninth one, Ludacris and Tyrese go to outer space.
00:02:05
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Like that they do the art of those movies.
00:02:12
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and Mission Impossible is is similar. Mission Impossible is, mean, Mission Impossible movies are on the whole, like much better made and like, like,
00:02:23
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really really well done versions of that they're they're less silly than the fast and the furious movies but they are um but there are still like just very impressive like action filmmaking yeah yeah gotcha huh how about that the second one is the only one that i think is bad okay i just still like tom cruise makes me feel weird and not in a good way Oh, yeah, that's understandable. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but like so many of his movies are so good. Did you see um Edge of to Tomorrow?
00:02:56
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No, I refuse to. and The movie rules. It's so good. Emily Blunt, it's like a sci-fi Groundhog Day.
Tom Cruise and Moral Dilemmas in Cinema
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Yeah, I know. I know. i know. I'm, I give myself, I put myself through this.
00:03:08
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Uh, I deprive myself from Tom Cruise movies because out of principle, Katie. Okay. So, so does that mean you don't watch any movies by all of the other horrible people in Hollywood?
00:03:20
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Like, you know, i try not to. What about all the, uh, the rapists? And, uh, so do you never watch a Miramax movie? You know, it's a jump scare when it comes on um And this coming from the girl who, ah are my last request for a movie featured Donald Trump cameos.
00:03:43
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That's a good point, Emma. ah The last movie we watched on this podcast had Donald fucking Trump in it. So... I don't know. Jesus fucking Christ. um I have a book recommendation. Okay.
00:03:56
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I finished this book. I think I've already told you about it because I was reading it when I saw you. um But I finally finished it and it's really, really good. Oh my God, Katie, I cried so much. You're going to cry so
Book Recommendations and Bookstore Adventures
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much. You're going to fucking love this book.
00:04:08
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It's called Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow. and Oh, yeah. it It basically is if Merrily We Roll Along was um about video games.
00:04:20
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but Yeah, that's a great way to describe it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, ah and not backwards. It's like chronologically makes sense. but Unlike Merrily Rural Along, which is backwards.
00:04:32
Speaker
um So it's, I mean, basically, it sounds like it's a like the TV show Halt and Catch Fire, one of my favorite TV shows of all time. I still have not watched it. And now I must go watch it. Yeah, it's the the sub the the setting is is the same at least. Yeah.
00:04:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, it's so heartbreaking. It's about friendship and like the turmoils that, you know, you go through and you know, how um what love is in different sort of contexts, like a friendship, love, a um, collaborator love and like a romantic love. It's just, oh, so heartbreaking.
00:05:10
Speaker
It's so good. So fucking good. um so yeah highly recommend tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow and now i'm trying to decide what i'm going to read next i think it's going to be this nonsense paperback book uh that i got called fearless which or solace which is about a victorian lady who kills vampires
00:05:32
Speaker
so oh you have it is it good i haven't read it Oh, damn it. I got it at the book barn the other day, which is this great, it's that bookstore I told you about.
00:05:43
Speaker
There's goats. They got goats. Yeah. And they have cat. They used to have many cats. Now it's just a cat. um And her name is Cheese Puff. And she is the manager as a fixionado.
00:05:59
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And she's, it's super fun. It's like, it's all used books. And it's like, a thousand different little barns of different like genres of used books. And it's just, you could be there for days.
00:06:15
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It's so cool. And you can get books for like a dollar. i got one book called Connecticut Lore, which is all like spooky stuff in Connecticut. And so I'm going to try and like hit all of those.
00:06:28
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all the spooky and weird. You're to a ghost tour of Connecticut? Yeah, but like self-led. And this is book one of two, Katie. I know. um I got a signed copy of The Girls, ah which is about like that like 60s cult girl friendship book by like Jessica Klein, something Klein. I don't know.
00:06:51
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It's got... Is it about the Manson family? it's Yeah, it's kind of about the Manson family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But they had a signed copy for like five bucks. Nice.
00:07:03
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I know, right? So I bought it. And i've it's been on my list. So I was like, why not? But I got Solace. And so I think that's the next book going read. Nice. Yeah, I bought this. I mean, look at how yellow that is. Like, I bought this 15 years ago and never got around to it. 2009. I probably bought it in like maybe.
00:07:25
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Yeah. Maybe should read that through. It's a whole series. And then we can talk about it. Yeah. Well, I got i got i gotta to keep reading War and Peace. Sorry, wait, what? Have we not had this conversation?
00:07:36
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No, why are you reading War and Peace? I could swear we had we said we talked about this in the podcast. No! Many, several, yeah like, i cut not many, a few years ago, I decided, like, I love Natasha Pierre the Great Comet of 1812. So I'm going to read, which is based on a chapter of War and Peace for the listeners.
00:07:56
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um And so, like, I'm going to read War and Peace. And my friend Cassie was like, you should read it. It's really good. And she reads, like, tons of classic literature and stuff. Yeah. I'm like, okay. So I got, like, 150 pages into it a few years ago and then stopped.
00:08:09
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And so now I decided, you know, like I'm going to try it again. I'm going to get through it this time. And so I'm yeah currently reading
Reading War and Peace with Language Challenges
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War and Peace and I'm like 80 pages in and, you know, 1200 to go.
00:08:22
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So yeah. Why not just do like the audio book?
00:08:27
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I don't do audio books. Oh, really? Because then, like, that's how I like to do my classics these days is because then you can sort of disassociate when they get into sort of the sweeping descriptions of the Moors.
00:08:39
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Mm-hmm. Not a lot of Moors in Russia. the um More like a taiga, I think. the um The interesting thing about this is that a lot of the book is in French and because they're because it was written and because it was written in French. like the movie the but i mean The book was originally written in Russian and French because he upper class of the the the Russian aristocracy would speak to each other in French.
00:09:05
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um It was you know high class to speak in French. And a lot of the movie... God, I keep calling it a movie because it's a podcast. The podcast is about movies, I guess. Yeah. A lot of the book is about the Napoleonic invasion of Russia.
00:09:18
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So there's also a lot of like French there. So the translation that I'm reading didn't translate the French in the book, but like a lot of translations just translate it straight into English, just like they translate the Russian into English, like in the text of the book.
00:09:33
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In this, it remains in French. And then this this the the translation is... this is um ah footnote so you have to constantly go down to the footnotes and like I can understand some French like yeah so it is it is it's kind of practice for that like because you know I was go to say are you like trying to purposely read it in French to sort of like help you
The Appeal of Action Films
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keep up with it I mean it's it's honestly it's not that much it's it's not like you know I would say it's maybe like three percent of the book I mean so far I don't think it gets it gets
00:10:07
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worse as it goes along by any chance but um it is it's a few invades russia well it's a few lines per page um that are um that are in in french and yeah some of them i i don't need to look down to the the footnote for and most of them i still do so yeah yeah well you'll be fluent in french by the time you finish war and peace i doubt it what is war and peace in french uh gale gale a pay or would it be pay yeah i don't know if it matters which one is first yeah i just always assume in french it's always flipped i don't know why it depends um you use the uh the acronym bangs to determine whether the adjective comes before or after the noun oh yeah what does bang stand for
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You know, i thought I knew and now I'm going to have to go because I would always get it wrong in French class. I kept wanting to use this the acronym bland instead of banks. Bland.
00:11:12
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um ah It's um it's beauty, age, number, goodness and size. And that all means it comes before.
00:11:24
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And if it's anything that's not one of those things, it comes after. Gotcha. Gotcha. yeah Cool. Beauty age, number, goodness, size. Yeah. Beauty age, number, goodness, size.
00:11:35
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Yeah. Cool. Well, now we know. Yeah. Anyways. um French. So color, for for instance, comes after. oh so beauty age. Like Moulin Rouge.
00:11:48
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Yes. Red windmill. Oh, is that what it means? Yeah.
00:12:00
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Red Windmill.
00:12:03
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Anyways, you guessed it, guys. French. It's so, so relevant to today's film if you think about um geography.
00:12:16
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I mean, yeah. France is closer to England than America is, so... Exactly! Exactly! So, that's right, guys. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where...
00:12:28
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Emma and Katie are at their wedding. And yes, they have a wedding la Bride War style. And... Oh, it's a double wedding. It's a double wedding. Okay. And they both see... It's either that or we're conjoined twins. One of the two.
00:12:44
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Pick your adventure. Choose your own adventure. Uh-huh. um And they make eye contact with the florist and there's a moment. And at first they think, oh my gosh, are we best friends with this florist? And we just, it's one of those friendships that like, you just feel like, you know, this person forever and ever and ever.
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And then slowly, but surely they realize, no, wait, I think I'm gay. And they fall in love with the florist and then their life implodes. That's right, guys. Pesky husband. Yeah. Because their pesky husband who's a good guy with a shitty job.
00:13:17
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And by shitty, I don't mean it doesn't pay well. It pays very, very well. I just mean morally shitty. ah That's right, guys. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie.
00:13:28
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And today we are talking about the 2005 rom-com Imagine Me and You, which was originally called Click, and they had to change it because of the Adam Sandler movie of the same name.
00:13:41
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Oh. Yeah, because the title doesn't really make sense. I mean, I guess Click isn't that great of a title either. Yeah. Do you think they put the song in the end just so that the title would make sense?
00:13:54
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Well, I mean, he sings it. So no, I think it was the, the, the song was already in the, the movie because that's the bicycle messenger is singing it. Yeah. So they filmed that already.
00:14:07
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um So, so no, I don't think so, but like happy together is already a gay romance movie too. So they couldn't call it that, which is the name of that song.
00:14:18
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So yeah, it's a whole thing. Gays really love that song. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's, um, Happy Together, also a gay movie made by a straight man, just like this movie.
00:14:29
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Yep. Made by straight man. It is written written and directed by Al Parker, who we have covered a film of his before. because we have? he and Yes, he directed Mamma Mia, Here We Go Again.
00:14:42
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shut up! Another gay movie made by a straight man. He also made The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel, which we have discussed on this movie way too many times.
00:14:54
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Multiple times. Yeah. And he is married to Tandway Newton.
00:15:02
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Oh! Yeah. Oh, I love that. And their daughter, is it his daughter? Or it's his daughter that's on The Last of Us. You couldn't tell? I don't know. Tandway Newton's daughter is on The Last of Us?
00:15:12
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You didn't know that? No. Tandaway's daughter is Joel's OG daughter before she gets shot. And then he goes traumatized. By the police.
00:15:23
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Spoilers for The Last of Us. Spoilers for the first 10 minutes of Last Us. The first 10 minutes of The Last of Us. It's Joel's daughter that gets shot by the police because they think she's infected. But that's Tandaway Newton's daughter.
00:15:36
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ah Yeah. Yeah. And she looks just like her mom. It's... Okay. Yeah. freaky i don't know i don't know if if all parker is her her dad or not um ah this movie uh stars piper parabo from uh coyote ugly yeah and apparently she's now on yellowstone which is like the most popular show on tv which i've never seen yellowstone and like 1912 and then like all the chicago shows like who's watching that oh no when i know
00:16:07
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Yeah. 1912 is a spinoff of Yellowstone. I know! All of those date shows. There's like 1933 and like... 1912. 1889. They're all Yellowstone spinoffs. And like... Yeah.
00:16:21
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Harrison Ford is in one of them? I don't know what the fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And Helen Mirren. Yeah. It's fucking... It's... What's his name? It's that guy, Taylor Sheridan, the actor who has like an empire of television shows for conservatives on Paramount+. plus Jesus fucking Christ.
00:16:38
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Well, it's that and like Chicago Fire, Chicago PD and Chicago Med. I've never met a person that, well, actually that's a lie. My parents watch Yellowstone. So that's, that's a case in point. Old people.
00:16:50
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My mom watches all the Chicago shows. She doesn't watch Yellowstone. It's too violent. Apparently. i don't know what it's about. But the Chicago shows aren't?
00:16:58
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I don't fucking know. Well, the Chicago shows are on network TV, so they can only be so violent, you know? I've auditioned for those shows though. And like. Yeah, but. But they can like show stuff on Yellowstone because it's on like it's on streaming, you know?
00:17:12
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but I don't know. i haven't seen it.
Chicago-based TV Shows and Audience Preferences
00:17:14
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She might not even be violent. That's just what she says. She doesn't The first episode, I was doing research for an audition for Chicago Med, and I watched the first episode of Chicago Med, and you know what the first incident on Chicago Med is? It's some Final Destination shit.
00:17:29
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Somebody gets impaled by a glass, like a blown glass chandelier. It lands on them, and it's like coming out of their chest, and they have- ah No, they miraculously survive.
00:17:44
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Okay. Because Chicago Med. Okay, Dick Wolf. Yeah. Because what's his name from, oh my God, who's the famous guy that's on that? Who's like everybody's dad.
00:17:57
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On Chicago Med? I don't know who's Chicago Med. Yeah. But it's the only reason why I ever want to be on Chicago Med is, and the only reason why I would ever want to be on Chicago Fire was because of Sophia Bush, but now she's gone.
00:18:08
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So that's. Oliver Platt is Med? Oliver Platt! Okay. That guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Sophia Bush, lesbian. Bringing back to. Bringing us back, baby.
00:18:20
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boom, boom. Yes. um ah Queen of the Segways. So, yes, Piper Perabo, Lena Headey, who is Cersei Lannister.
00:18:32
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um And it's also got Tony Head, Giles from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Celia Emery, who's in a ton of stuff, including the Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. oh Yeah, yeah.
00:18:44
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Literally every single actor in this is, like, someone that I've seen in a British show, and I'm like, oh, it's that person. Oh, it's that person. Yeah. This is, like, a low-budget... indie rom-com from 2005 in England.
00:18:58
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So it's going to have like a certain level of of B-list actor in it. yeah yeah Like Sharon Horgan is her best friend? Sharon Horgan is in it, yeah. And then they both have an Irish best friend who disappears halfway through the movie. Halfway through the movie.
00:19:16
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um um And Piper Parabo is not English. No, she's not. But she does a very good job. She does a really good accent. Yeah. I was very impressed by, ah by her accent. Um, apparently her dad is Irish.
00:19:31
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Oh, okay. Yeah. Charlie had to look it up and he goes, Oh, she's American. Yeah, which is very uncommon. You see a lot of British people do American accents in movies, and you really don't see that many Americans do do British accents and in in British movies. a lot of times you'll have just a random American in ah in a British movie, yeah like Andy McDowell in awardings For Weddings and a Funeral, for example.
00:19:52
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Exactly, because they're like, who just don't just don't do it. yeah Well, I mean, it and andy mc if Andy McDowell would try to do a British accent on top of everything else she was trying to do in that movie, like... were I'm in four weddings and a funeral that's my impression of Andy McDowell doing yeah yeah yeah that was a little too natural though okay
00:20:17
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listen I think Andy McDowell is great in other movies and I think that she's quite bad in that movie yeah we love Margaret Qualley we have an episode about it you can listen to it why don't you stop this episode go listen to the four weddings and a funeral episode and then come back Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you'll be caught up.
00:20:34
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um Yeah, so this is about um these these two ladies. Piper Perabo is getting married to Matthew Goode.
00:20:45
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Yeah. Hot little scarecrow, Matthew Goode. Right? Previously from the famous episode of ours, the Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society.
00:20:56
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He is, yeah. He's much older in that one, yeah. Yep. And he's gay. ah In that one, yes. In that one, not real life. And Caitlin thought that he was gay, by the way.
00:21:09
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She's like, isn't Matthew Goode gay? No. It's just the Guernsey literary and potato peel. The haircut in I can see it but you know yeah apparently he's he's not Um, yeah. So she's getting married to Matthew Goode. They've been together for a long time.
00:21:26
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um There's a man named Coop who is also there, who is his best friend sucks. Matthew Goode should be known. His name is Heck. I assume short for Hector.
00:21:39
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Hector. they they They say it's Hector at the at beginning. yalling But he goes by Heck. Which, I mean, it's better than Tor. That's true. Like nobody goes by their full names in this.
00:21:51
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ah Yeah, it's Luce and Heck and Coop and and Rachel. H. And H. And her sister's name is H. And it's not because of Henrietta or Hermione or anything. It's because when my mom found out she was pregnant with me, she went, Jesus H. Christ!
00:22:09
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Well, I mean, they must have been in their late 50s when they yeah thought they were pregnant with hers. Yeah. She was a surprise. No, I guess not. I don't know how old... Let's find out how old Celia Emery was in 2005. Yeah. Well, Celia Emery right now, she's born in 1952, which would make her... So in two thousand she'd be 53 in 2005. And that girl is, what, 10? So she was 43? Yeah. Yeah, it's not that bad, I That tracks.
00:22:32
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That tracks. Yeah. 15 years older than her little sister? Yeah. I mean, she was a surprise from God. Yeah. um ah And, yeah, she's a little precocious little science girl who is just...
Exploring 'Imagine Me & You' and Its Themes
00:22:48
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going to come out as non-binary five years after this movie comes out. like Exactly. There's no way. Yeah. And ah so, yeah, and Tony Head and Celia Emery are her parents, Piper Parabo's parents, whose name is Rachel.
00:23:02
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yeah And Luce is the florist. Yeah. Yeah. With her Irish best friend who is barely in it.
00:23:15
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And she has to be as the florist at every wedding. And then she's somehow just like also very you in the wedding. i don't think the florist stays for the reception usually. I really don't think the florist stays for the reception.
00:23:29
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I don't think the florist stays for the wedding. Like the florist comes to the wedding and puts the flowers out everywhere. And then during the ceremony is prepping the reception area. Yep. And will like say goodbye to the the bride and groom like when they arrive at the reception and leave.
00:23:45
Speaker
That is my understanding from the weddings that I have been to and in. Yes, that they definitely don't um have time to make eye contact with the bride as she's walking down the aisle and then run into the bride's little sister who weirdly becomes obsessed with her and makes her sit next to her.
00:24:02
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Almost like the little sister is going to learn something about herself soon. It's like a real ring of keys situation. I mean, that is actually a really good point. I feel that um H learns a lot in this movie. And i would like to see the spinoff movie from H's point of view.
00:24:19
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And then goes through her coming of age or their coming of age. We don't know what pronouns they use. That's true. Yeah. of discovering their sexuality because i feel like she had a lot of things against lesbians at first because she didn't understand them that's true yes um but now her her sister is a lesbian and she's gonna have some some a great sister and sister i want to keep on to call them aunts but i guess it's her sister sister sister and sister-in-law yes
00:24:50
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Um, yes. So, um, she goes to the wedding and they have like this like little, little glance. It's this, this whole movie is, it's a, it's a cheating rom-com. It's a lesbian rom-com and it's a love at first sight rom-com. That is the, those are the tropes that we're dealing with here.
00:25:08
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Yeah. And within that, ah we have the lesbian movie rom-com tropes, which ah there's got to be a lot of glances, a lot of hands brushing across each other, a lot of almost kisses, lot of bad looks.
00:25:25
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Not to be vulgar, but you know, like lesbians. Hands. yeah they hands and so it's so There's a lot about hands with lesbians. the ah um The thing about, it's not just specifically a lesbian rom-com, it's also a, like, first first lesbian experience rom-com. Because, like, I read a lot of lesbian rom-coms.
00:25:50
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And there's there's a ton of genres in in those as well. And I i kind of am over the ah the the straight girl, ah you know, quotation marks, lesbian rom-com. It's just kind of... yeah it's kind of tiresome um because so much of the, of the book is about identity, which is like, you know, that's great for, for someone who is, you know, newly queer or, you know, reading about these kinds of things from a, from a different perspective. But I think that like, once you, it's it much like, um you know, much like teen rom-coms. Like, i don't want to read a teen rom-com anymore. know what I mean? Like when I was a teen, I would read teen rom-com.
00:26:32
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Exactly. But like, I feel like the straight girl discovering she's a lesbian rom-com is just, it's such a huge chunk of like what's mainstream lesbian rom-coms.
00:26:50
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that I mean, the only that's going to get made into a movie is going to be like the most palatable version of the the gay rom-com. And like, there's not a lot of gay rom-coms. Like there's still,
00:27:02
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a handful of gay rom-coms um that exist, period. So my first note is this is British. And then Charlie comes in real strong with a thousand gajillion notes.
00:27:17
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It should be said. Actually, this is an excellent segue to Charlie's Corner, Charlie's Corner, Charlie's Corner. govna... Charlie thought this movie was great.
00:27:29
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Of course he did. yeah It was and was British. um He was cackling the entire time at all the jokes and Britishisms that were happening. And every single actor, he goes, oh, it's that person.
00:27:42
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And so my second note is, Sue Johnson, she is a treasure. Is that Luce's mom? Luce's mom. Yeah. Yeah. was like, I don't know who. Okay.
00:27:53
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I don't know. who i didn't know who she was. Yeah. Yeah. He would also like to say that he thought this movie was great with the normal exceptions of too early two thousand s homophobia. He did not think that was great.
00:28:05
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um He does not think that anyone can be fucked into not being a lesbian. like i don't. think the movie thinks that either though like I think that we're supposed to find that ridiculous it's interesting like this is this is this is on the the list of did a straight man make the best lesbian rom-com um it's it's very strange um There are, of course, a few others. I mean, like this movie is better than Happiest Season, which was made by a lesbian. That's
00:28:36
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That's very true. And I mean, like both of them are less toxic than your girl. I mean, listen, my girl is the actress who played her, Mackenzie Davis.
00:28:48
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The character of Harper from Happiest Season is not my girl. Let's be real. Mackenzie Davis did nothing wrong. ah Harper did lots of things wrong.
00:29:00
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Well, yeah. yeah i die Okay, so listeners, stop this episode. Go listen to the Happiest Season episode and then come back to us.
00:29:12
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So where were Katie? Oh, I don't know. um At the wedding, I think. So they have like a meet cute. um She's dropped her wedding ring in the punch bowl immediately, which some might call a sign.
00:29:25
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And she needs Lena Headey Who's ah Four and a half feet tall I don't know why she's the one who has to reach into this Punchbowl to get the The ring i mean we yeah but like surely She could find somebody that she knows Like Coop would have done it you know Yeah but like she ah she doesn't want to seem like I guess she doesn't want to like some better trouble She's embarrassed It's that like very British thing of like I don't want to bother anyone No no no It's fine I'll figure it Yeah.
00:29:55
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So she reaches into the punch bowl and gets her wedding dress and um fights Wedding ring. Wedding ring. Yeah. Her wedding dress was in the punch bowl. Can imagine? That's how you dye it.
00:30:08
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Her and while, um while Rachel fights off the advances of her husband's boss, who's yeah hitting on her at her wedding.
00:30:19
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Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, on that scale, like Coop is not as terrible as Greg or whatever. Ron, I think, as ah as his boss. So he seems like a normal person. and Yeah.
00:30:35
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They were like, we need to give him a job where he makes lots of money so they can have a nice, fancy apartment in central London and they can buy nice, fancy furniture that they yeah have to go to an auction house for.
00:30:46
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um I mean, she had paid $400 for it, though. 400 pounds for it. I was going to say, 400 pounds in 2005 is like $800. That's still not that much for a big, giant couch.
00:30:57
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A leather couch, too. i You can't buy a new shitty couch for under $1,000. Not in 2025, least. Not in this economy. Yeah. not this economy this economy But they're like, they obviously wanted to give him a job where they're like, what's, what's something that makes a lot of money, but like, he can like, I don't know, be tied up at work and have like work functions. But then also he doesn't always have to be at work, but like what, where this like works.
00:31:22
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And they were like, I know a um, a stockbroker. yeah. Or a portfolio guy. He works in finance. He works in finance, but he, he wants to write travel books.
00:31:37
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Yes. Um, is his ah goal. And like, we should say like when you do a cheating rom-com, there's a couple of options that you can do. You can have the guy be terrible.
00:31:48
Speaker
Yep. Or you can have like them and have never been right for each other in the first place. Right. yeah yeah And this movie kind of realistically doesn't really do either of those things.
00:32:03
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um They kind of go do this line where, I mean, like, I guess the idea, I mean, we don't actually really get into like sex in this movie. Also, this movie is rated R for lesbianism. There is nothing in this movie that would be, it would not be, it's rated R for strong sexual content. There's no sex in this movie. They don't have sex. no sex There's no nudity. There's nothing. It's just because they're gay.
00:32:25
Speaker
That is why this movie was rated R, which like, fuck you, Jack Valenti. i'm pretty sure jack valenti was still the head of the mpaa in 2005 so he's dead now so fuck you dude i mean there are fuck words in this though there's there's there's two and she calls her husband a burke which is um which is uh cockney rhyming slang for cunt um and is i from what i understand that is the bad word in in england like burke like like but we've discussed this before like the cunt is not a is not a bad word in in england so and but i think i believe that burke is considered worse uh is burke bad oh charlie's already texting me actually oh he is in british why did she word it like that i didn't even say those specific words i don't know what he's talking about
00:33:25
Speaker
is Burke bad and British. And what's the rhyming? This is great content. Well, the rhyming slang is Berkshire hunt is a cunt. Oh, boxer.
00:33:37
Speaker
Boxer. Yeah. Is a cunt. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, there were some really great ones, some really great insults though, here, uh, in this movie. One of them was gay as a tennis player.
00:33:51
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Gay as a tennis player is good. Yeah. Charlie had to look up and go, that's not a thing. That's not a saying. um no it's not a saying. Yeah. And then fuck me if I'm wrong. Yeah. I wrote that one down too.
00:34:04
Speaker
Fuck me if I'm wrong, but I think you want to kiss me is what he said. Right. Fuck me if I'm wrong. um And then Charlie's favorite was the one about um you're about as like fresh as a fart in a jam jar or something like that.
00:34:18
Speaker
He thought that one was great. Yeah, I mean, I guess they do say fuck three times, which is too many for a PG-13 movie. But strong sexual content is listed as one of the reasons, and that is not present in this movie whatsoever. There's no sex in this movie.
00:34:32
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No. There's only, like, should we fool around? End of sex. And there's one of those things where, like, even if somebody, like, talks about things, like, if somebody talked about, like, ah blowjobs or, um you know, a DP, what a one of your favorite subjects.
00:34:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, buddy. Yeah. That would be strong sexual content. Like, it doesn't have to be, like, say, but none of that happens in this movie either. There's no discussions of, like... think the dogging scene?
00:35:01
Speaker
The, um, where they go out to, uh, where they go out and find those guys, but they don't show, I mean, maybe. Maybe. They don't show it. But then they don't show it. yeah and And they don't even, like, say it.
00:35:13
Speaker
Like, they both go, oh, we were, ah and they go, oh, yes, we were, ah It's all in the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. um do you want to explain to the listeners what dogging is? Okay.
00:35:23
Speaker
I don't know if that was actually dogging. So like technically what dogging is, is
00:35:31
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If I specifically say in England, Charlie's going to give me such a fucking hard time. But I had never heard of this until i i met Charlie. um And it's not because Charlie does this. Charlie does not do this. He just thinks that this is like, it's like a funny, it's like a joke thing among but like middle-aged people do to like spice up their sex life.
00:35:49
Speaker
Right. But basically you drive out to a car park. And you... A park is a parking lot. Sorry, a parking lot. And ah you meet up with people and you hook up with someone one in your car while your spouse is watching with binoculars.
00:36:09
Speaker
Oh, heavens. and um I thought dogging just meant having sex outside, so... Well, I I mean, like, that's what I know it as.
00:36:19
Speaker
Yeah. or you Or you go there with a specific you or intention of having sex with you in your car knowing that somebody else is watching you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:32
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Interesting, interesting. Well, see, because I think these gay guys are just having sex in the park, which is a classic, like, gay male, like, thing, yeah. I mean, what's his name? um George...
00:36:45
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that with the jeans George Michael George Michael George Michael got arrested for um for for doing that in a in a in a public bathroom and in in in uh in the park right in like yeah yeah and yeah exactly and you can go to that bathroom oh that's nice yeah um Happy Pride Month.
00:37:06
Speaker
Well, because... That's right, yeah. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to come out in June. Well, I mean, because... they i mean, they they had had to have sex in parks and stuff because they couldn't go home, right? Yeah, exactly. A lot of times these guys are were married and stuff. This is, you know, um something that would happen for, you know, down low um gay guys who had wives and stuff in the 50s and 60s. And, you know, they still do it today probably. But, you know, it's a part of the culture.
00:37:32
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yes. So that is not where we are in the plot of this movie, though. In the plot of this movie, they are... um She has... yeah and then Lena Headey walks home from the wedding.
00:37:46
Speaker
Yeah. Which is weird because she drove there. Like, it showed her drive there. So why is she walking home? And then she walked home.
Cheating Rom-Com Dynamics and Tropes
00:37:55
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Um... Yes. So, um...
00:37:57
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yes so um Then we have Cooper, who is yeah ah Matthew Good's best friend, who is a problem. yeah he's so He sucks and he he sucks and pucks.
00:38:11
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yeah And is constantly trying to hook up with with women. And he has his eye on Loose. and does not stop hitting on her which nope she like kind of finds charming which is wild yeah she's like you know what let's let's just be friends you can be my best friend like just just be my best friend and and and then like i again i would love to see a spinoff movie where it's just like them being like best friends like buddy cops like i want to see a coop and loose buddy cop movie
00:38:44
Speaker
Or maybe like we find out what's going on with him and the baby and then like she's the best friend and character. that Like if this was a romance, ah you know, a series of books, that's what they do, right? It's a different character. But the ah the main characters in the first book are are side characters in the second book, et cetera, et cetera.
00:38:59
Speaker
Yeah. But if this was like a series of books, that means that like hypothetically, one of the paths they could take is Coop and H getting together in 10 years. Yeah.
00:39:11
Speaker
Why would they do that, Emma? Because of the conversation at the end of the movie. You mean, you mean her a heck and H. No.
00:39:24
Speaker
Oh yeah. Sorry. Heck and H. I meant heck and H. Um, no, no. It was an airport girl. She's a little girl, Emma. Um,
00:39:36
Speaker
but she says you know i marry you in 10 years and i was just like if this is a series yeah it doesn't like oh see i missed that line um it was a problem because i couldn't get subtitles to work on this movie ah and so i didn't understand half what these british people were saying um she was like trying to cheer him up at the end she's ah i remember that yeah yeah yeah you're a great guy Yeah.
00:39:59
Speaker
You're a great guy, heck. There's plenty of us here. She said, I'll marry in 10 years. Yeah, she was like, you're really nice. And I'll marry you and I'd marry you if it was 10 years in the future.
00:40:12
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And I was like, and this is Bridgerton. Boy, oh boy. Except he's like 30. thirty So he would be in his 40s and she would be 18. He, yeah, that would be gross.
00:40:23
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That would be gross. Yeah. We don't approve of that. Don't do that. No, we're going to have her lesbian coming out book with in 10 years 15 years with a. Yeah.
00:40:35
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ah and aged other characters all supporting her through it. yeah How funny would it be if like she did the same thing that her sister did?
00:40:46
Speaker
and like she marries she marries the little boy from the playground and then... No, she gets in a relationship with Heck and then they're about to get married and then she realizes that she's off today.
00:41:02
Speaker
That would be funny. Yeah. And Rachel and Luce is like, well, you deserve that. I mean, like, I mean, but does he, the thing is, is at the end of the day, he does the right thing.
00:41:14
Speaker
Well, no, he deserves it. If he dates her sister, that's 17, 20 years younger than him. I was going to say, he's a good guy in most of this movie. He's a good guy. Unless that happens in the sequel where he dates the 10 year old sister.
00:41:34
Speaker
So yes, Matthew Goode is very sweet. And there's all these little clues throughout the movie. Like they constantly talk about, we've been together forever. You're my best friend, but they don't have passion, right? They talk about- There's no passion.
00:41:45
Speaker
like their best friends and they kind of fell into this relationship, but they don't have, but there's no, there's no spark. There's no passion. um And that is, you know that happens.
00:41:57
Speaker
um Yeah, exactly. And that's okay. And that's nobody's fault. um Exactly. She is very charming at the wedding and she gives, he gets too nervous to give the speech. So she gives the speech for him. um I've never been at a wedding where a groom gives a speech or a bride.
00:42:13
Speaker
Uh, we chose to give a speech because I just like attention. Well, same. And Caitlin and I performed at our wedding where I sang a song to her and then she sang a song to me, but they weren't speeches.
00:42:24
Speaker
No, ours was thank you all so much for coming and thanks dad for paying for this. Bye. Yeah, that's, that, yeah, that, that's, that's what you say. But like, this was like a speech speech and yeah you know, they have this thing where she's like Lena Headey is like watching her give this speech and it's very like, you know, electric.
00:42:42
Speaker
Um, she says it's been smooth all the way. Like they've never had any like conflicts in their relationship or anything. And like, that's a thing. Like if you're not fighting about something, it means you don't care enough.
00:42:53
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Um, that's what a therapist will tell you. Um, and then like over the course of a few months, I think, cause I think they get married in the summer and it ends in maybe before Christmas because they don't do a Christmas, um,
00:43:07
Speaker
No, but they do show like the sort of the seasons changing to show the. They do. They do. They do. They show bonfire night, which we'll get to. Yes. and But she keeps finding reasons to like come see loose. So she comes to see loose at the flower shop and I wrote God her dykey outfits.
00:43:25
Speaker
I know. Safety pins, cardigan, arm warmers, and the thinnest scarves you've ever seen. The thinnest of thin scarves. Like this movie, I mean, maybe it's because it was 2005 and British, but there's Love Actually vibes all over this fucking movie.
00:43:41
Speaker
I was like, yeah, it was like the year after or two years after. Yeah. She wears these like super low rise jeans that shows off her like back tattoo all the time.
00:43:52
Speaker
She's got like this big thick belt and just scarves and arm warmers. And the tiniest little kitten heels. Yeah. You know, It's ludicrous. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I was talking about loose.
00:44:05
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I'm just talking about the costumes in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, Rachel wears the kitten heels. Yeah. Yeah. Or the the boots with the fishnets and the, yeah, the like multiple layers. I mean, I guess layers is a thing in London, though, because of the weather.
00:44:21
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because it's constantly changing. But I mean, like any smart person living in a city knows layers is what you need. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's also, like, that millennial kind of um style with the... need layers!
00:44:34
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah Yeah, so she asks her to dinner, um presumably because she's, like, thanking her for helping her with the wedding ring. Yeah. Yeah. Which is really cool.
00:44:46
Speaker
But mostly because she wants to spend time with her. And it's this thing, it's like, when you when you have this attraction to somebody, like, you do, you you find reasons to to hang out. Like, you... yeah Like you just, and sometimes sometimes you don't know it sometimes. And especially if you're queer, like there is that, cause they talk about this thing and she's like, have you ever seen anybody?
00:45:04
Speaker
And then just immediately like, oh, I want to be that person's friend. Yeah. You know, because I think that exists too. I think I've, I've had that with people where it's like, Like, you meet somebody and you're like, oh, we would be friends. Like, I felt that with that way with you when we met in Helvetica. Right.
00:45:19
Speaker
I did, too. And I was just like, my gosh. Best friends forever. Exactly. But especially when you're queer, it can sometimes be hard to to tell the difference between...
00:45:31
Speaker
um attraction and like you just want to hang out with somebody because you think they're cool right yeah yeah and a lot of a lot of early queer relationships and a especially lesbian relationships I don't I obviously can't speak for gay men and they seem to have a whole different thing going on um but especially with with with with women in relationships there's always this like you know You've been on like five dates and you're like you're still wondering, like is this a date? like Are we on a date? like
00:46:05
Speaker
That's a meme. and WLW um meme. yeah We're married and have children. like Is this a date? Does she like me?
00:46:16
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Yeah. So she comes to dinner and then they invite Coop because Rachel and um and ah Herc hack hack are deranged and think that any woman would want to be with Cooper.
00:46:31
Speaker
Well, they're like, oh yeah, we'll hook them up. That married person thing of like, oh, it's our other single best friend. Obviously we want them to be dating now. I don't care that he's terrible. Yeah. they just sent me a like But like Rachel, I mean, it's one of those things where I guess it's kind of like...
00:46:46
Speaker
like barney on how i met your mother yeah which is like the the adorable creep like they all they all hang out with this this like sex monster because they find him charming yet for some reason yeah i don't know for some reason it is yeah i've never had a friend who was a sex monster who's a sex monster um that i'm aware of at least um
00:47:13
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Oh yeah, I wrote, when you've you've just met someone, but you feel as if they're going to be your friend, then I said, that's called being gay, bitch.
00:47:21
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That's called being gay. um So she comes to their house for dinner. The four of them have a conversation. She tells um Matthew Goode that she's gay.
00:47:32
Speaker
um And he's like, he says, lovely, well done. yeah It's very similar to um Call Me Maybe ah or Call Me Your Maybe or that movie.
00:47:46
Speaker
Always Be My Maybe. Always Be My Maybe. Where just like, oh, thank you for your service. Yes, thank you for your service. It's a very good thing to say to a gay person. and um And should more often. Happy Pride Month, everyone. Happy Pride Month. I don't even think about this movie doing this movie because it's Pride Month.
00:48:04
Speaker
I know, right? Look at that. um And they have this conversation where Luz believes in love at first sight and argues about, with Rachel about it, because Rachel, you know, doesn't feel that with Matthew Goode. She doesn't feel that, like, yeah a passion is the best way to describe it. And, like, they don't have sex throughout this whole movie.
00:48:24
Speaker
um And they've immediately, after they've gotten married, stopped having sex. And then she suggested that she wants to have sex outside as a way to, like, recapture some of this passion. And then it doesn't work because they run into a ah gay couple also fucking yeah like we met tonight they said yeah and i mean like matthew good has some really good points he's like you know we don't have to do this we can go back to our apartment our flat to our bed yeah a nice like you know but that's not good enough for her because she's not feeling it with him anymore it feels like she wants the spontaneity to do something
00:49:00
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Yeah, she says that love feels warm and comfortable um and and doesn't have like adversity or or um you know fights or or yelling or passion. And all of those things are are are fine in moderation in a relationship.
00:49:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you gotta kind of be excited and passionate about something. yeah um i see the coop says that he tells coop that she's gay and he goes well anyone can change teams yep well not anyone because i it's just funny they have an absurd london condo that's yeah that's gorgeous fours it has a roof like it's yeah i have no idea how much that nonsense costs because She's a journalist, I believe.
00:49:53
Speaker
i assume they don't go into any of her. Yeah. she She reads a newspaper article and I think that she corrects it. I think she's maybe like an editor. Maybe. Yeah. She goes in and types something in it while she's reading it aloud to them. So I think that she's, you get the feeling like this movie was like maybe 15 minutes longer and they cut some stuff out.
00:50:13
Speaker
Cause there's a lot of like jumps. Yeah. Yeah. and Not to mention the fact that they don't have sex, which like... Girl, if you're going to leave your husband for a woman, think you need to have sex with her first.
00:50:30
Speaker
like need to You need to test drive the car before you put a down payment in. Yes, but like a especially if you've never had sex with a woman before. You gotta know how the mechanisms work.
Character Development in 'Imagine Me & You'
00:50:47
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Not that I'm saying it's like, what if she doesn't like it? But like that, like, like that's a big thing to blow up your life because like you kissed this girl once, you know, like. Yeah. And I mean, like they, they kissed and then, and then they, they kiss and then they have a very, like very passionate roll around, but still no sense.
00:51:08
Speaker
Yeah, a passionate roll around. Sometimes you just need a passionate roll around. Just passionate roll around. I love a passionate roll around. Yeah, like you know, you just go roll and row yeah roll and roll some flowers. On a bunch of loose flowers that are in the back of her flower shop. I feel like this movie doesn't care much about her flower shop. and that Yeah, it doesn't care much about her flower shop any of the professions except for Hex.
00:51:31
Speaker
Hex is the only one that we find out the most information about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, i mean, that that's his little, like his tiny little, you know, sea plot or whatever is about him, um you know, following his passion for writing for traveling and writing traveling but travel books.
00:51:47
Speaker
He hates lying to people, but his whole job is lying to people. yeah Exactly, yeah. um they're they they meet They run into them at the grocery store um and ah that's where he tells her that Luce is gay. He goes, you didn't twig?
00:52:02
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You're so uncool.
00:52:06
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and of course he didn't know either. And she had to tell him. Right. And he he goes, she's as gay as a tennis player. Yeah. And then he asks her Irish friend, are you gay?
00:52:17
Speaker
And she goes, am I gay? I'm ecstatic. Which is also a great response. I love that. I love that so much. Yeah. Yeah. So like at multiple, yeah. At the flower shop, multiple times, she just gives somebody something, closes the flower shop. They're constantly closing the flower shop.
00:52:36
Speaker
At the end, her mom gives the keys and the apron to a customer and leaves without locking the door. yeah They do not care about this flower shop.
00:52:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but again, they don't care. Maybe one of the clues that we should have been clued in that this was written and directed by a straight man is the only person whose job we find out details about Hex. Yeah.
00:53:02
Speaker
I mean, we find out about Luce's job. Like, we spend more time at Luce's job than his job, for sure. But I never see money exchanging hands. For all I know, that would be... gives away a lot of stuff. Well, the guy gets the cactus that looks like a cock and balls and hands her um ah a tenner or something yeah that she doesn't even look at no change, walks out. Yeah, it's... yeah it's real they're playing real fast and him loose with the operations at the flower shop i just suddenly can't remember the name of the flower shop but yeah it's like twigs and nonsense i don't know i don't think it's twigs and nonsense um but yeah then uh h somehow has the contact information for an adult stranger it's weird
00:53:53
Speaker
Like there's this whole scene like where H invites Luce to her presentation on space at school, which is like another opportunity for Luce and Rachel. She said that Luce helped her with it, implying that they she hung out with a strange adult woman without anyone knowing.
00:54:15
Speaker
I was so confused. I was like, why does this child in 2005 have the contact information for an adult stranger? She is very independent now. So I guess maybe she did it herself. I don't know.
00:54:29
Speaker
But they are, there's they're sitting there, like they're sitting on a on a counter or something and their hands are next to each other and like their their hand, their pinkies almost touch it's yeah ah have you seen the portrait of a woman on fire portrait of a lady on fire i immediately thought of that when i saw this scene is it a woman or a lady portrait of a lady on fire woman on fire i think it's a lady on fire yeah there's portrait of a lady then the the jane campion movie and then there's portrait of a lady on fire Have we not talked about this movie?
00:55:00
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Yes, I have seen it. Yes, I know how beautiful it is. However, my thoughts on Portrait of a woman i'm sorry portraitr Lady Empire is that I just want, and I know that we've talked about this on the podcast, I want more gay cinema about ladies that don't have to rip up their entire lives to be together and uh don't have to be a secret from society because it would ruin them like the umpteenth movie it was just like the umpteenth movie because it's like that and then there's um oh my god the handmaiden and then there's like um like all of those like
00:55:44
Speaker
costume the handmaiden rules i love the handmaiden so fucking good love the handmaiden at least in the handmaiden they get together in the end but like with freaking portrait of a lady on fire it's just stairs and it's like gentle caresses and it's like they fuck in that movie though like yeah i know but 99 of the rest of the movie is just like oh
00:56:11
Speaker
yeah but that's the that's the genre it's that's your genre that you love so much that's like ah Georgian uh it's a um Regency yeah Regency it's not my favorite drama I love love an outlander where it has all the pretty costumes but they just fuck yeah they fucking portrait of a lady on fire they absolutely fuck Yeah, but I mean, like, it was just, I just got so, I think that I must have watched, it must have been, like, in, like, a roundabout of, like, a bunch of costume dramas that I had watched, and like, where it was that same plot of ladies love each other, but they can't be together.
00:56:52
Speaker
sad yeah yeah yeah i mean that's that's always gonna be the case and obviously yeah i mean um you ah so many gay movies and tragically and this one i mean nobody dies in that movie but it is like they they can't be together and it's it's sad but all that's left is portrait i think that movie is the is the best example of uh of the sad lesbian longing can't be together movie yeah um But obviously we would prefer them to to have a happy ending because gay people need a happy ending sometimes. That's the handmaid rules.
00:57:23
Speaker
Handmaid and they get together. They go off to Korea. And they kill a bunch of people. There's an octopus. It's crazy, man. Oh, it's great. Oh, it's nuts. So good. So their hands are bare are barely touching. Piper Parabo turns to her and tucks her hair behind her ear, which is one of the sluttiest things you can do to somebody.
00:57:43
Speaker
And... Then like loose bails on her afterward. They're like, afterward, she's like, Hey, I need to talk to you. And she's like, Oh, I suddenly have somewhere to be. I can't do this. Gotta go. Bye.
00:57:54
Speaker
Great job. a you too She tells her best friend coop that she's fallen for somebody in a relationship. And he's like, Oh, who cares? so It doesn't matter. You should, if that's their problem, not yours.
00:58:06
Speaker
um And she's like, I'll take that under advice. yeah She decides to rent some, ah some gay porn. yeah um Or is it gay porn? I think it's just or is it porn.
00:58:19
Speaker
It's just porn, yeah. Georgie's Bush. Yeah. she Well, she's looking at the lesbian magazine and doesn't get it. No. yeah And she gets porn instead so that I guess she can see ladies?
00:58:34
Speaker
She wants to look at it from a of a different perspective, I suppose. Exactly. exactly And this is 2005 where you had to rent your porn and you couldn't just go on the internet. um They... You definitely could find porn on the internet in 2005. Well, then why did you go on the internet?
00:58:51
Speaker
I have no idea. Because they, because old people are going to watch it, I guess. I don't know. um see Because they needed her mom to catch her at the video store. They needed her mom to catch her at the video store. yeah Exactly.
00:59:03
Speaker
Like video stores in 2005 in general is like not yeah super common. I mean, I guess they were still there. I'm trying to remember if I rented movies. 2005? Yeah, they were still around.
00:59:14
Speaker
I guess, but they were not as common for sure. No, I mean, you had like your blockbuster. Yeah, I think blockbusters were mostly gone by then, yeah.
00:59:27
Speaker
Yeah, then they have a Bonfire Night, right? yeah and No, no, no, they go on a date. They go on a date. um She is, she calls, Matthew Goode has to go to work and she calls loose and then hangs up.
00:59:42
Speaker
Yeah. And Luce calls them back and Matthew Good answers the phone. He's like, oh, hey, why don't you take my wife on this thing? Because I can't do it. And Piper Perabo is like, no no no no, no, no, no. Don't do that.
00:59:55
Speaker
And so they end up going to a um ah soccer Football match! A soccer game. A football match! And Piper Perabo is really passionate.
01:00:08
Speaker
This is another clue that this was written and directed by a straight man because... lesbians must love sports well she's the one who doesn't know she's a lesbian i know but she figures out she's a lesbian like this is a clue she loves football and she loves harassing the football players and so like she's she's yelling and um loses just like you're doing it wrong you're doing it wrong and and she's just like what you need to do is you need to use your diaphragm let me sluttily touch your diaphragm my what
01:00:41
Speaker
My what? Let me slightly touch your diaphragm and teach you how to project like a theater. She's like, oh, maybe if you use both hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:52
Speaker
And then, oh, and then they have the best post date date. She's like, feel like Perabo is like, oh, you feel like dancing?
01:01:04
Speaker
I feel like dancing. Let's go dancing. Monty Python does these people's like, what is is that Michael Palin playing loose in this? Right. But then they go they play DDR.
01:01:15
Speaker
And I was like, DDR. They go to an arcade and play DDR and like rub up against each other. Yeah. so Such a fun time. That is not my playing DDR is not sexy. Playing DDR is a lot of jumping around and sweating and getting out of breath.
01:01:30
Speaker
Yeah. And like trying to like match your foot at the right time. And like, there's no hand choreography because the machine can't see your hands. Yeah. Yeah, but like you can dance, but like it is it is hard. you have to be very good at DDR to ah to be able to like dance and look graceful doing it. And they managed to do that, which I know maybe they're both really good DDR players. Maybe maybe they both have it like at their houses and practice all the time. We don't see that.
01:01:57
Speaker
We don't see that.
Film Ending Analysis and Conclusions
01:01:59
Speaker
We never see Luce's house at all, actually, come to think of it. oh Because she goes to see her mother. Yeah. Yeah. yeah All we know, she could be living in that flower shop.
01:02:10
Speaker
Yeah. maybe Maybe she is. Maybe she is. Or maybe she lives in car. They talk about the secret language of flowers. and Yeah. And Lily, she um Rachel wants to know what a lily means. And Luce is like, no, you don't want to know. And she's like, tell me. And she goes, it means i dare you to love me.
01:02:26
Speaker
slutty. Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
um she asks some of her her friends at work you ever cross the street yeah like what have you ever wondered what it would be like to be with a woman and one of her friends goes um you know i always thought that i would sleep with a woman but i always kind of thought i'd go to norway and i don't think either of those things is ever happening and like that's a good way to put it yeah there you go that's an excellent way to put it
01:02:55
Speaker
um And then they go, and then that that's when she's with Matthew Goode and they're driving and she's like, hey, let's fuck in the dirt. And he's like, okay. He's like, ah why? Okay. I mean, if you want to fuck, let's fuck. But like, do we have to do it in the dirt?
01:03:06
Speaker
And then he's just like, I don't know what's going on with my wife. Things are strange. Things are weird. What is happening? He's starting to spiral. Yeah. And that is when Rachel goes to, to find Luce at the flower shop.
01:03:19
Speaker
And, um, says that she's, she's Mary, is she but, and they can't do it. And she's like, okay, so goodbye. And she walks out and then she walks right back in and they start making out. It's great.
01:03:31
Speaker
Yeah. And then they make out over a bunch of roses, which is the worst flower to make out on because even Cersei Lannister at one point goes, ow, there's thorns at my side. Yeah. Yeah. um ah Yeah. So they, they, yeah, they make out and that is, that's it.
01:03:45
Speaker
That's all that happens between them physically in this, in this movie. Yeah. And then while they're making out, they get interrupted because fucking Matthew Good comes into the flower shop. To buy her flowers.
01:03:57
Speaker
Because he's like, I don't know what's wrong. Something's wrong. And he's like, she's like, well why don't you ask? And he says, I can't ask her if anything's wrong. And she says, why? And he's like, well, because what if there is? Yeah.
01:04:09
Speaker
And Rachel slips out the window. And so she goes chasing her into the park and um they have this conversation where she's like, we can't, I can't do it. Like, it's not going to happen. Yeah.
01:04:20
Speaker
Which is like, okay. Yeah. And they're both heartbroken because they both realize how much that they love each other and how instant this connection is. But like, it's just, they're two star crossed lovers.
01:04:34
Speaker
Things are happening. And then Matthew Goode explodes at work. Yeah. Yeah. Because his boss is just like, yeah, keep telling him to give you more money. deep Keep telling to give him more money. And he's just like, why are we doing this? Why am I doing this? Why am I lying? Why?
01:04:50
Speaker
why And then he just walks out and he he like goes on a bender and goes and gets wasted. And the entire time Piper Perabo has been waiting at home so that she can admit her wrongdoings to him.
01:05:05
Speaker
And he shows up wasted. and she goes, ah fuck and so she still wants to talk to him he doesn't tell her that he quit his job he does not he's just like oh i'm drunk blah blah blah i need eight pints of water that's a lot of water eight pints of water is a lot of water charlie said he goes that's a lot of water
01:05:28
Speaker
Charlie, who I've been trying, I'm constantly on a journey to get him to drink more water. And his biggest complaint is, I just, I feel better, but like, you just always have to pee.
01:05:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's true. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of the ah the downside of being hydrated. um But yeah, so he he's, she starts giving this monologue with her back turned to him.
01:05:57
Speaker
because she can't look at him because she's so distraught about, you know, how she, she did this thing with, she never names loose. She uses hype, you know, a lot of like Lucy goosey terms.
01:06:11
Speaker
And she's just like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I did this. and but and andda um And Charlie immediately goes, ah she's going to turn around and he's going to be asleep.
01:06:22
Speaker
And she turns around and he is asleep, but he's not. He was lying. Which sucks, man. Like, what the fuck? Don't do that. Don't do that.
01:06:33
Speaker
Because he didn't want to have the conversation. And he he didn't want there to be something wrong. And there was something wrong. And she's trying to tell him that there's something wrong. And she's avoidant, which makes their whole relationship make sense.
01:06:44
Speaker
Yeah. Exactly. And so she gives him a blanket and puts him to bed on the couch. And then you see him shove the blanket off and open his eyes.
01:06:55
Speaker
And then it smash cuts to Coop. cooper going up to, um, Luce being like, are you her? Yeah. Yeah. He, he figured it out pretty quickly and he calls her a slut, yeah which like, dude, dude, fuck.
01:07:12
Speaker
Come on. Um, uh, yeah he ah Yeah, he has no right to to do that whatsoever. That's ridiculous. He said he could fuck the lesbianism out of her.
01:07:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. um he needs The movie needs needs him her to feel bad, I guess. So that's what happens. Luce cancels on h to take her to the museum.
01:07:39
Speaker
um And they're all at her birthday party, which is... really awkward. boy. real bad. With her parents, her parents also who have been having trouble. um Apparently, Tony Head can't get hard. And her- they talk about it a lot because know there's this there's this bonfire night that they're all at where like we get way too much information about all of the the sex that they're having and not having well heck tries to have a conversation about sex after marriage with uh piper parabo's dad and he goes and it's just like this is i don't feel like you should be having this conversation especially not giving hot dogs
01:08:18
Speaker
And he goes, well, we can talk about a lot of things and we can even be friends, but you can't talk to me about this because sometimes I'm just going to think this is the the hand that's putting it to up my daughter is what he's.
01:08:31
Speaker
Which was another moment where Charlie went. Tony's great in this. We love we love Giles. Giles is great. We love Giles. He, yeah, and so this is when Matthew Goode, like, basically stands up and is like, yeah, I can't do this. I'm leaving.
01:08:48
Speaker
and And then she admits to, because Luce is leaving ah town. She's going on a long holiday. And hi Rachel suddenly gets very upset, and she tells her parents, like, what happened, basically. yeah And her mom is like,
01:09:06
Speaker
Well, are you sure you can't be with a boy? yeah her dad her dad gives her the go-get-your-girl speech. And her dad has been this kind of, like, drunken buffoon, like, the whole movie. yeah He's, like, kind of barely in and out. And he really, like, decides this is...
01:09:21
Speaker
um said He gives her this speech saying like, you know, I never thought I was good enough for your mom. And, you know, I still think that way. But and if you believe that you have found this like true love, like you can't let anything stop you. And he's like, I'll drive. And so her and her parents all loaded to the car.
01:09:38
Speaker
and drive how we have the airport scene where they're driving to try to to go to the florist shop where she's not there she's already left but her mom is there and her mom is like all right i'm coming with you yeah she's like are you her you're her um do you love my daughter and then they all go yeah and then it's all packed in the car and um they're trying to to get to Luce.
01:10:03
Speaker
But of course, central London traffic sucks, baby. um they get stuck in a traffic jam caused by construction that Luce is also stuck in. b And also, while she is in the cab, her cab driver is having a sex, a phone sex conversation.
01:10:22
Speaker
Yeah. The, ah oh, Charlie is still explaining to me. About Burke.
01:10:35
Speaker
Oh, I love this man so much. He first sent me a screenshot of the description of it, which is in British slang, Burke or Burke spelled with either a K or C is a term for a stupid or foolish person. It is considered a mild insult, often used a friendly whale.
01:10:53
Speaker
The term has roots in Cockney rhyming slang. um and then he copied and pasted that or he typed it out i don't know why he did that and then he that was sent at uh like 20 minutes ago now then he texted me just now the original cockney rhyming slang is rude though and now he's typing something else Okay, so I have it wrong. Then there's there's some other Cockney rhyming slang that is worse than the the other word. I don't know what it is, but I feel like... don't know Maybe I just made that up. I feel like there's some example where there's there's a word that is Cockney rhyming slang for um for a um you know a swear where the the Cockney rhyming slang version is considered worse, but I don't know.
01:11:43
Speaker
don't know. I'll ask Charlie. he He confirmed the rhyming slang is Berkshire Hunt. Yeah. yeah so uh so yeah so thanks charlie um uh yeah so tony uh and celia in the back seat are talking about their relationship and he's she's like i'm not too you're not not good enough for me and he goes well he goes you know maybe i could take viagra if you could be a bit nicer to me and she's like okay and then immediately insults him like five minutes later yeah yeah yeah he's like well that lasted about three minutes
01:12:16
Speaker
Yep. And so they're in traffic and she calls her and she's like, she doesn't want to talk to her. She hangs up. And while she's on the phone with her, she hears a bike messenger singing Happy Together, the old song the turtles. Something like that. Yeah, something that.
01:12:32
Speaker
So happy together! yeah duh something like that yeah some yeah um
01:12:45
Speaker
Yeah. And then the bike messenger passes her and she's like, oh my God, she's she's close to us. I just heard that bike messenger on on her end. She Sherlock's it.
01:12:56
Speaker
Yeah. And then she gets up on top of the cab, on top of their car and uses the the skill that she taught her about projecting. Yeah. But and she do so she yells, ah because for a while she's going, loose, loose, loose, loosey there, loose. And everyone's like, who's this weirdo?
01:13:17
Speaker
And then she goes, oh, no, the diaphragm. I need to use my diaphragm. And then she, like, takes a breath, and you have this dramatic moment. And then she, he like, yells some sort of, like, football insult. You're a wanker, number nine, is what she said.
Post-Credits Scene Speculations
01:13:32
Speaker
You're a wanker, number nine!
01:13:35
Speaker
And then she hears that and comes out and they kiss on the street and boom, movie's over. Yeah. Boom, movie's over. Blackout. Love that. I mean, there's there's some there's a little bit of mid-credits stuff, but.
01:13:46
Speaker
Yeah. But it's very cute. It's very cute. Because you've got the whole like scene with ah Heck and H where she's like, I think you're very nice. I'm not going to lie. There was a moment that I was like, is this going to turn? Is Heck just going to jump off the roof right now?
01:14:02
Speaker
Oh, Jesus. I thought that he was going to jump off the roof. And um instead, he just he's sitting there with with a um with H and, you know, maybe they'll down the line. She brings him.
01:14:14
Speaker
She brings him sweets. No, they won't down the line. Emma, stop it. What happens after the credits? is we see a bunch of flashes between everybody like a little while later yeah see rachel and loose in the park sitting on a bench snuggling yeah we see h with a little boy on the playground and we see um koopa's got a baby some somehow he knocked somebody up i guess yeah and then we've got um uh
01:14:46
Speaker
heck on a plane and he's going to travel to write his travel books and he sits down next to this this woman um and she like starts flirting with him and then he turns to the camera and smiles there you go but how do we know that that's not 10 years in the future and that's not h well because that woman is black emma oh sorry i didn't see the post-credit scene you didn't see any of the post-credit stuff no Oh my God.
01:15:16
Speaker
I watched this late last night. And so then it's only like seconds after the title, the, the, the directed by card. It's not like a mid credit scene.
01:15:28
Speaker
Well, now I know. you know, Hopefully that lady doesn't also discover she's gay. thought were going to be like, I don't see color, Katie. I couldn't tell that she was.
01:15:40
Speaker
what I'm not going to. I'm not going to Karen it. um Yes. So that's Imagine Me
Personal Anecdotes and Actor Mix-ups
01:15:51
Speaker
and You.
01:15:51
Speaker
Anything else? So happy to get... No, that's all my notes. Yeah. Yeah. Had a lovely time. was a good time.
01:16:03
Speaker
it was a good time
01:16:06
Speaker
It was a good time. I will say it. So my cousin who loves this movie, she, I told her cause we spent Memorial day with her and her boyfriend Ben and we had a lovely day going so like, uh, little weird towns in Connecticut.
01:16:20
Speaker
And I told her, yeah, the book barn. And then we went to Chester. We went to this cute little brewery. It was very cute. Um, and I told her that we were doing this movie. She goes, Oh, it's got, well, yeah, I love that movie. It's got, um, uh, Cersei.
01:16:37
Speaker
It's got two people from Game of Thrones in it. And she, for a hot second, thought that Piper Paribos was, um, Daenerys Targaryen. And I was like, Oh, no, no, she's much older than her. I think. Yeah. I was like, no, it's, um, it's, you know,
01:16:53
Speaker
Coyote Ugly Girl. And she goes, oh, yeah, I'm wrong. Okay, cool. just thought that was a fun little tidbit. Because I felt like I needed to mention Madeline because she loves this movie.
01:17:05
Speaker
Uh... There
Future Podcast Plans and Outro
01:17:07
Speaker
you go. So next week, I'm going to keep us going in the, I mean, this is going to, we're going bleed out of Pride Month, but it's going to, I don't know why it's a bleed out of Pride Month.
01:17:18
Speaker
That's a terrible term. We're going to, this isn't going to be all June because of the way that things work. um But I'm going to try and keep us in Pride Month and keep the theme going. We're going do another gay one. We're going to do another gay one.
01:17:31
Speaker
We're going to do bros. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Complicated um ah release of that movie, which we'll we'll talk about. But yeah, yeah, cool.
01:17:44
Speaker
Yeah, we're going do bros, baby. Yeah. Shall we outro? Yeah. Thank you for listening to Go Get Your Girl. If you like us, tell your friends and please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
01:18:01
Speaker
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01:18:16
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01:18:28
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