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Pride and Prejudice (2005 Joe Wright)
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It's the most Jane Austin-y of all Jane Austin Rom Coms! This week Emma and Katie dive into the 2005 Joe Wright Classic Pride and Prejudice. They discuss the importance of a hand flex, how men should be required to read Jane Austin and if this or the BBC miniseries is a better adaptation. They also take time to discuss The People's Joker, Hundreds of Beavers and the Chicago Improv Scene. It's an all around fun time!
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Podcast Kickoff with Feline Antics
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settle well we we just started recordinging
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This is great audio content of my cat trying to decide whether or not he's going be part of sitting on my lap or not sitting on my lap while I record.
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Yep. There we go. That was good. That was good. Can you do into the mic? I was waiting for him to speak. Yeah. Can you go into the mic? Can you hear that? He's purring.
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Yeah, he is. Good boy. Okay. I don't know if the audience will be able to hear that, but I don't know either. But, you know, hey.
Unplanned Camera Mishaps and Podcast Humor
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um Anyways, how are you, Katie? Oh, I'm good. um what have What have I been doing? i had't When I opened my laptop, the camera light came on because I hadn't opened my laptop since the last time we recorded an episode. Oh, jeez.
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So you just left your camera on this entire time? Well, no. I mean, it was closed. But, like, when I opened it, before I even put the password on, the camera thing came on because Zencaster was still the last thing that was up.
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hey You know, you're living life as a busy podcast-ass. A podcast-ass. Yeah, I guess I'd sound like you said podcast-ass.
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so No, a podcast-ass like a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. You know, because it's very telling for um today's episode. Um, is it?
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No, I mean, like, a lady. shit. ohsh A lady of podcasting. a capital L lady. Yes. Yes.
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Um, uh, That is, and you're segwaying us right into the movie with that. so I mean, i was going to say, you looked like you were going to say something else. And so I was like, do I do i dive
Movie Recommendations and Improv Comedy
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into it? Well, I wanted to tell you about Hundreds of Beavers, but... Oh, did you watch Hundreds of Beavers?
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No, tell me about have you it? started it because Jeremy recommended it. and Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, he said that and The People's Joker. This is why you and Jeremy are essentially the same person.
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um
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i And just, or all playwrights are the same people. um He said the People's Joker and Hundreds of Beavers were his favorite films of 2024. And so watched People's Joker and I really liked that. And so i was like, well, I might as well all give Hundreds of Beavers a shot.
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But like, I was not in the right mood for it. You got to be in the right mood for it. And I think the right mood is five milligrams of an edible. Yep. Yep. That's exactly what I decided I did not have in my body. So I decided not to watch it.
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Which is what Caitlin and I did the other night when we watched it. And um yeah, that movie is ah so fucking cool. It's actually, yeah, the first thing I thought of when I was watching it was The People's Joker. It is very much on the same kind of like DIY, partially animated, not like...
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really blurring the lines of like these people just put this thing up together and like a real movie. um Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like very adult. It's, it's, it's fucking incredible. It's amazing that they were able to make this and it's like, yeah, it's like cartoon, like video games, silent movie, uh, kind of thing. It's, it's, it's incredible. Yeah. We loved it.
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Um, it was i definitely it definitely think an edible will help though yeah yeah yeah because i started it and i was just like i i don't know i i think i need something with talking and plot yeah i mean and sometimes that's what you're that that's what that's that's true yeah you have to be in the right mood for for anything really yeah but uh but yeah definite uh recommend to um To you and the dozens of people listening this. Yes, the dozens of listeners. Go watch hundreds of beavers. And if you haven't already, go watch The People's Joker because The People's Joker is great.
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I recommended it to someone the other day. you we were talking about... um I came across a TikTok of one of those things that's like thoughts that I've had that like weirdly make sense but shouldn't make sense, which is...
Superhero Movie Themes and Dark Humor TV Shows
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um a Uh, this person was like, have you ever noticed that in superhero movies, the superhero is always fighting for things to stay the same. And the super villain is the one that's fighting for change.
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Yeah. Yeah, that's the the fascism at the at the heart of the superhero narrative. um That's, they yeah, I mean, that's that's i mean that's like that's what Watchmen was all about, you know? like Yeah. the um The book, at least.
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um And certainly the the the HBO show, yeah, which is yeah fucking incredible. um Yeah, you know, it's funny. I um i remember you you texting me saying you were watching People's Joker, but then we, like, never talked about it.
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We never talked about it. The People's Joker has one of my favorite throwaway gags in any movie I've seen in years, which is Suicide Cop, um which there are extra episodes of on the DVD, on the Blu-ray. Amazing. Can't recommend it enough.
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um Suicide Cop, for the but the listeners who may not be familiar, is a television show that exists in the universe of The People's Joker about a cop who every time he...
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kaie and time he Any time he encounters any kind of of stress or um ah or or problem, just kills himself. And he does it in every episode.
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Jesus Christ.
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um And I think that's the funniest thing I've ever seen, basically. It's it's hard to describe. Yeah. But it was a separate thing. vaguely remember that. Yeah, it was a I don't really remember it.
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We saw this movie in the theater, and Vera Drew, the the the ah writer and ah director and editor and star, was did a talkback. And she said she was immediately asked about Suicide Cop.
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It was like a dumb sketch that she and her her friends had made, and then they put into the movie. I love that so much. They put on the Blu-ray. Yeah, it's... It's a silly movie, I should say. Yeah, it's it's a very silly movie, but it's also not a silly movie.
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Like, yeah The People's Joker, I thoroughly enjoyed for a multitude of reasons. um One, it brought back many multitudes of nostalgia.
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One of those especially for you. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, nostalgia for first and foremost, that sort of adult swim late night DIY vibe, which we talked about. Like it's very like there's Aqua Teen Hunger Force vibes. There's like very like adult swim vibes of the way that well she feels.
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She worked for Tim and Eric. Like that's what her that's why experience is. Yeah. She was an editor. Yeah. Jesus, because I was like, this feels like the Tim and Eric show. This feels like like like a movie version of something that they would have put out in like their weird sort of like tone.
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Not in the same universe, but yeah. And so like that was bringing back nostalgia for me. And then also the... The nostalgia slash trauma um of going through the same Second City system ah and attempting to be an improv comedian with the intent of getting cast on Saturday Night Live.
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uh in my early 20s and all of the like nuances that come with that and all of the like bullshit that you go through and all the like toxic people it also brings in um to that sort of like world and uh yeah so there was a lot of like me vibing with that and being like Jesus Christ this just feels so fucking real The movie is very much about improv and specifically the kind of like cult improv of UCB or Second City or, yeah um you know, I imagine the Groundlings or any of the other yeah um ah big improv
Improv Comedy: Challenges and Anecdotes
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houses. ah The one specifically that she did was UCB, which is.
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What do they call it? It's not the uplight Upright Clowns Brigade, but it's like the United Clown... United Clowns Brigade? Something like that. yeah Yeah, they put clowns instead of citizens.
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But yeah, and then it's just... it It feels very real because, and I mean, to be fair, when you find your your sort of like troop, you're when you find your like close-knit friends in that community, it can be very rewarding and very great. Like some of my like best and oldest friends from Chicago are friends that I made while studying improv.
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Yeah. ah And we talk about how stupid it was all the time because none of us continue to do improv. I think maybe one of us still does it like for fun. But um but the rest of us like moved on to because we were like, this is not artistically fulfilling for us.
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um and and so like those are some of like the my like oldest and greatest friends uh however there is so much fucking bullshit that you have to go through because it is essentially built like a pyramid scheme is me getting on my soapbox But like you have to take class, which like makes sense. You got to pay.
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You got to pay to take class because obviously you have to take class to learn how to do improv if you've never done it before. That makes sense, right? Like go take class, learn how to do it.
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Um, But then they want you to tea keep taking class and like you're never quite good enough. And then like you have to once you take enough classes, you can then audition to get into their conservatory. Or in my case, it was their music improv conservatory, which they used to have. I don't know if they still have it, um which was all. i don't think so. I don't think they do have that yet.
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It was supposed to be on par with the regular conservatory, but instead of ah regular improv, this was music improv. So you learned how to improvise silly songs.
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You learned how to be Jess McKenna. Yeah, exactly. ah Or a less problematic version of Tim Minchin. Sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wayne Brady.
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Exactly, exactly. Is the less problematic version of Tim Minchin. Rachel Bloom. I wanted to be Rachel Bloom.
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Still problematic? Really? dang it! I know, yeah. Ah! Rachel Bloom, come on! We'll talk about it when we launch our our Patreon podcast about Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
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Yes, I love Crazy to Schoolfront. but um But yeah, so that that was sort of you know what it was. And then so then you have to do, and that's a whole year-long process of the conservatory built within four semesters and where you are taking, I want to say, and you're going once, maybe twice a week.
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I can't remember. So you audition for this, you get in, you still have to pay, correct? You still have to pay. Yeah. Yeah. You audition for this, you get in, you still to pay. And then you're like, oh well, that's fine because I can take my skills and then go do this, you know, do some shows in the meantime.
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Nope. Improv shows don't pay. Improv shows, unless it is Second City, Uh, you are my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful friend, Michu, who had, ah who had a show that and almost no one came to, but he still paid us anyways.
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Um, it was great. I thought that it was, it was such a good improv show. It was at, um, under the gun theater in Chicago. And I thought it was, it was very highbrow, which is very Michu. I love him so very much. He just started his own podcast.
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Go check it out. It's called mischief and mastery. i Emma is on an episode of it. Yeah. Yeah. But he he is like just the smartest person i know.
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and like the smartest person like comedy wise. And so he developed this show which was a dystopian improv show so it was all improv it was called out to get you and it was all improv based on like dystopian movie tropes and so like there would be like each night would be like a different kind of dystopia and each like scene was a different level of that dystopia so like you started out with like the poorest of the poor and then you worked your way up to like the fascists in charge was like the final scene
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um And within each one, it was like a different improv scene, but like an overhaul of what this world is. And like a combination of short and long-term improv.
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Exactly. and sure Long form, sorry. Long form. And it was super cool. And like I had, I met someone later on who like came to it and he was like, it was like way before its time, i think. And it's just like, I thought it was the most interesting and like most fun
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improv show to ever be a part of because it did have like this through line but nobody came and saw it because it's chicago and if you're an improv comedian if you're not doing the show you're gonna go see it and and yeah it's just it's bullshit it's all hard to get anybody it's hard to get anybody to come see anything and like i have i one of my very good friends who no longer lives in chicago but when she did she was very connected to the comedy scene, mostly stand-up and storytelling, but also improv and stuff. So I saw a lot of comedy in Chicago, especially when we first moved here, and so much of it is so fucking bad. It's so hard to watch.
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And, like, she was always great, but she would all, ah a lot of times, be the host or the emcee of, like, a night of stuff. And some of the stuff is just... Bad.
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It's... and it's it's since it's ah excruciating ah to try to to try to sit through that shit. But then like every, you know, 20 minutes someone would come on who was really good.
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And so it's just one of those things where like I talk a lot of shit about improv and I talk ah about it on this podcast. I think we have. But like,
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there's definitely There's definitely art in improv. It's just... It's been so taken over by people that want to make money from it.
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And, you know, like every industry. Yeah. And the unfortunate thing is that, like...
Evolving Comedy Landscape: Digital vs. Live Performance
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Chicago is known as like the improv city because, you know, of the 90s, because of the 80s and the ninety s Like for a while, almost everyone that got cast on SNL was coming out of Second City.
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Like you have that whole and then they just raved about their time being like indie um ah improv artists in Chicago, which I feel like I came in.
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When I was there from, i'm not going age myself, but it was a while ago. ah It was sort of the tail end of Tina Fey's book had come out.
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And so you had like, you were still getting waves of people that were specifically moving to Chicago to do improv, that were specifically moving to Chicago to do comedy. Yeah. I don't think that's the case anymore um because most people nowadays just need to TikTok and you can do that from anywhere.
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That's true. And so it's really decentralized, that sort of thing in a lot of ways, because, um yeah, it was like. comedy was Chicago, theater was New York, and film was LA for a long time.
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um And kind of all of that has kind of stopped. Like film and theater have also been decentralized to a certain extent. I would say theater the least, um just because of the nature of of theater as a live medium.
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um Because like, and again, but like, I think comedy, like live live comedy, being live is such an important, like, piece of context to to comedy and and improv as well so i think you are losing something there and you know maybe that's why saturday night live sucks now you know um but like every generation thinks saturday night live sucks you know like every every generation thinks that the saturday night live that they grew up with is the best saturday night live
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Right, right, right, right. um ah And, you know, we talk about Saturday Night Live on this podcast lot.
Moral Aspects and Culture Shifts in Comedy
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know! For someone who doesn't watch Saturday Night Live and i generally would generally say, I don't like it as a whole.
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i love it Like, I think it's bad, like, capital B bad. Like, if you take improv as, like, the the formation ground, I feel like Which way, Western man, like evil, Saturday Night Live, or good, drop out? Like, those are the two, like, possibilities.
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Yeah, drop out is great. For improv people. um And I mean that, and again, I don't, I'm talking about quality of comedy. I'm talking about, like, moral good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different rubric, I suppose.
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Yeah. I don't think everyone's looking at comedy and going moral, where are the morals here? Yeah. um I don't know. Like, I feel like that's a big part of comedy. It's like the problem with comedy in the past, especially the past 10 years, but really forever But like the the um the the hard right like turn of so much, especially stand up, you know, starting with like the people started to be canceled. And when these people like Louis C.K., you know, the comedian gets canceled and then immediately is like, OK, well, now I'm just going to only do like comedy for like
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um and trump people you know like that's the that's the turn because that's the only way you can make money now right so yeah it's those are the only people watching your stand-up and also like you know edgy comedy which is just you know misogynist racist comedy like that kind of thing has has always had like a home but it feels like it's becoming bigger and bigger and bigger and like let's not forget like joe rogan started as a comedian That's true.
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I take back my statement. No, no, no. I'm not arguing with you. I'm i'm just like, there's but you make some really good points. I've already changed my mind. There's like a poison in the well of like these people, like, like nothing, anything can be funny people like those, yeah like the, the toxicity of the, the, I mean, let's be honest, male standup comedian.
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True. Although, you know, I'm sure there are, um there are ah women who, who fall into that too. I'm trying to, is there a conservative woman comedian? Surely there is.
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There's got to be, but like, also i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't because I don't know. The only thing that's coming to my mind right now is not a comedy thing that's meant for comedy, but I need to send it to you, Katie.
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it I saw it on TikTok and it was one of my favorite things because I went to Christian private school is seeing bad Christian parodies of things.
Humor in Music and Christian Parodies
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Oh, sure. Yeah. And this was for Easter. And some ladies did um Defying Gravity.
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ah oh no. But but it's about Jesus. But it's about Jesus. But that's my idea of a conservative comedian.
Exploring Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice and Beyond
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I lamented earlier that we were getting to the movie too quickly. So then we had spend 20 minutes about something else.
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Yeah. But I mean, we had to talk about The People's Joker. um Obviously. ah But I mean, some there's tons of jokers in this movie.
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like oh and been The King's Jokers. so the king The Queen's Jokers. Who was the King? The King? 1813 was quite Victoria. We're at George.
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Yeah. George IV? I don't know. The King's Jokers. Including, I mean, Mr. Collins. Of course, the joker of all. Definitely. joker yeah um including i mean mr collins of course the biggest joke definitely
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uh that's right guys no one no one has ever described mr collins from pride and pet prejudice as the biggest joker of them all that is a completely unique statement you've just made your your garden state uh statement a sound that no one has ever made before A sound that no one has ever made before. Collins.
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If we named our episodes, this is what this episode would be named. Mr. Collins. Collins. but The greatest joker of them all.
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Just, Mr. Mr. Mr. Collins. The greatest joker of them all. I know that came in my head, too. I was like, oh, my God. This is just Bilbo Baggins. Uh...
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ah thats That's right, guys. um So this is the podcast. This is Go Get Your girl the podcast where Emma and Katie, they're just trying to live their lives, you know, as as ladies in a time when being ladies was hard. Oh, yeah, that time.
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but yeah The time in the past from being a lady was hard, yeah. ah Let me be not as specific so you can take any time and place and that's the time when being a lady is hard.
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Yeah. And we, our moms, really want us and our sisters to get married because there's just too many ladies in this house. Too many bitches.
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And some fancy people come to town. The original title. ah Jane Austen's Too Many Bitches. Too many bitches. Too many bitches in this house. um And some fancy people come to town and boy are they handsome.
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One of them some of really likes one of us. And ah we're like, ooh la la. And then the other one is kind of a dick because he doesn't know how to funnel his feelings.
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Yeah. That's right, guys. This is Go Get Your Girl. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie, and today we're talking about the absolute masterpiece, ah classic, 2005, Joe Wright's Pride and Prejudice.
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Yeah. One of the best movies of the 21st century? like i mean Absolutely. What can you say? ah Well, Charles had a lot to say about it.
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Oh, but you're kidding me. You're fucking kidding me. Emma. This is going to break your brain. Why is he versus me?
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Like, why is he? It's not as bad as you think. It's not. Hold on. Let me. Okay. Let me get through that. Let me get through this. We'll get through that. And then we'll get to Charles' Corner. directed by Directed by Joe Wright, who had a great run.
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um he This was his first feature film After this he directed Atonement Yep God Devastating movie Absolutely devastating but also Everybody wants that dress Yeah Atonement Anna Karenina um The much forgotten Pan Yeah And Hana Which I haven't seen but I hear is good I hear it's great yeah um And then kind of did the Winston Churchill movie that I ah care absolutely nothing about.
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And. our work Yeah, The Darkest Hour is what it's called. And then he's where he's got something coming out. Oh, no. so No, Cyrano was a couple years ago. And I really want to see that, but I haven't seen that. um Was that good?
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I've heard that it's good. it's ah Peter Dinklage as Cyrano. yeah And ah it's a musical. And the music is written by Bryce Dessner and Matt Berninger from The National.
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Okay. Because like they had me on board with like, because it's, you know, it's Cyrano starring Tyrion and ah what's her name from Secession.
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And I was like, I'm on board for this. Love it. what Wait, and then who from Secession is it? I didn't know that. Is it? um The Redhead. Oh, Sarah Snook, isn't it? Sarah Snook.
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I'm pretty sure it's Sarah Snook. um No, no. I mean, Roxanne is Roxanne is Haley Bennett, who is Joe Wright's partner. Oh, OK.
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I thought I thought it was Sarah Snook. I was wrong. No, that would have been even better. But ah but I was like, oh, bored with it. And then they were like, but it's a musical. And I was like, oh, what?
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You love musicals. What are you talking about? I I do. But like, i was like, but why do we have to do that? Cyrano is such a, is such a musical show. Like that I, I, I,
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I just eyes haven't gotten around to it. It seems like very much my thing. Anytime they have like mostly people that are you know broadway or not Broadway actors, not musical theater or like Hollywood actors that are known for their musical theater talents, I'm suspicious. Well, for sure. i'm suspicious and I'm nervous.
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Ben Mendelsohn is in it too. Who? Ben Mendelsohn? Yeah. he in it? Yeah, he's Dr. Geesh. Oh, he's sorry. He's DeGeesh.
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i don't know who that is. DeGeesh. I don't know. Yeah. But like, I was a little like, oh, oh, I don't know. It took it took the air out of my sails.
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Yeah. um For my excitement. Well, does it does it put air back in the sails to know that Bryce Dessner wrote the music? A little bit. A little bit. Yeah. Well, Bryce and Aaron Dessner, his his bro, his twin brother as well.
00:26:54
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Still makes me a little like. but you know i'll i'll watch it yeah i mean that's a that's that's a rom-com ish i mean technically we could could do it yeah it is um ah i mean the steve martin version uh roxanne would probably be the close closer to a comedy than traditional cyrano who probably yeah you know dies at the end Well, also Fire Island was way more of a comedy than ah the 2005 Joe Wright's and Prejudice.
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so Well, I mean, here's the thing. Like, classical version of a comedy, happy ending means comedy. And we've we've discussed on this show before that that is our definition of of comedy.
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Yes. Even though we did Shakespeare in Love, which doesn't have a happy ending. No, but it was comedy. There was enough comedy. Yeah, but it's but it's it's it's like there's laughs in that movie. Exactly.
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Exactly.
Cyrano Reflections and Creative School Productions
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um I do have to share that I was in a high school production of Cyrano that we did for competition.
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Cool. on Okay. Oh, oh, where's this? And my friend Stacy and I. Yeah. We're obsessed with Moulin Rouge. Oh, no.
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And we decided that we were given too much artistic control. We were given too much artistic control. Our theater director, the adults involved, should have stopped us. Yep. But we decided to add a bunch of music to it.
00:28:22
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my baby. the The general aesthetic of the Baz Luhrmann film, Moulin Rouge, including ribbon dancers. um We also had it set in like the 1930s as like gangsters.
00:28:38
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So like what what happened was in the fall, we did it where it called TTA, the the the Tennessee Theater Association. And we got second place, which means means that we got to go on to state.
00:28:50
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Yeah. In that version, it was very traditional. Like- You know, French medieval, like, you know, tights and big poofy dresses and everything um and swords.
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And then we said, okay, we only got second place. We need to step it up a notch for the spring state competition. And that's when we added all the musical stuff to it. We... We added a bit where Cyrano and Christian perform um Aerosmith slash Run DMC's Walk This Way.
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Why? Because Cyrano like teaches Christian how to like act like a gentleman, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. like we did We did the Tango de Roxanne directly from Moulin Rouge. oh It is, I am so glad they're that I am not aware of a filmed version of this because it is yeah so embarrassing.
00:29:40
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I mean, the only thing left is for you to get the the crew back together and to do a revival. Obviously. we and i mean, my my best friend, i Jessica, um my childhood best friend, Jessica, is the only person I'm is still like, am in like contact with who is aware of it, I think. Because like,
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My friend Brad played Christian um and and nothing against Brad, but we just like don't really talk anymore. um Nothing. Nothing happened. We can recast. We can recast. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:18
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Yeah. yeah We can recast people. Obviously. We don't need to do that. But like I had a, I had a, I, there was someone I dated from um another high school who ended up going to, to college with me and she would bring it up.
00:30:33
Speaker
constantly to to mock to mock me i mean we were friends we were friends we weren't yeah dating then we were friends then um and she would say hey remember when y'all did that really uh cringe like cyrano like years later i'm like yes yes i remember that thank you for bringing it up yes oh that yes absolutely and now i can bring it up Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's it's probably It's probably the most embarrassing theatrical credit on on my resume.
00:31:04
Speaker
you You still have it on your resume? ah No, no, no, no. On my on my like my life resume. It's that important that you've kept it all of these years.
00:31:15
Speaker
The most important, the most the most embarrassing thing I've ever done on stage. Gotta be, right? I mean, I did do some improv also, but like, I feel like this is worse. You get a pass for improv.
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah. You're just trying to make people laugh, you know? Sometimes we're desperate for laughs. You're just trying to make choices. Just trying to make choices. The worst is when your scene partners ignore you.
00:31:38
Speaker
Oh, God. thought you were going to have a flashback. I had it in my head and I decided not to bring it up. Emma just meaningfully looked like her eyes moved up and to the right.
00:31:52
Speaker
um Yeah. So it's crazy that we haven't talked about this movie because it's so important. It's so important. Directed by Joe Wright. Screenplay by Debra Mogach.
00:32:05
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my Mogach. I assume it's Scottish. my better um who doesn't really who doesn't really have any other screen credits. She wrote the novels that the movies The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel and Tulip Fever were based on, but she didn't write those screenplays.
00:32:24
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She has some other British TV credits, but that's pretty much it, um is this movie. But this movie also has an uncredited screenwriter in... Yes! Emma Thompson.
00:32:36
Speaker
Dame Emma Thompson? Is she a dame? she a dame? don't think she's a... I mean, surely she was offered it and refused it if she's not. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the great Emma Thompson. Great Emma Thompson. No, she is a dame. Dame Emma Thompson. Yes.
00:32:50
Speaker
Yeah. Which is the first of Emma's Fun Facts, Emma's Fun Facts, and probably Katie's, because it looks like Katie also knows this fact. She wrote the I'm 27 years old scene.
00:33:04
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That was an Emma Thompson rewrite. Did you know that? I did not know that. I did not know specifically what she That was Emma Thompson rewrite. She specifically rewrote the, I'm 27 years old.
00:33:15
Speaker
I'm a burden to my parents. I have no money and no prospects. And I'm frightened. Just like me. That's Emma Thompson, yeah. And you can like almost hear Emma Thompson say that.
00:33:25
Speaker
Like, it's when you know it. Emma Thompson famously won an Oscar for Sense and Sensibility, so it would make sense that they would have her come and and do this. um She has a few other screenwriting credits. She wrote the Nanny McPhee movies that she starred in, and she wrote Bridget Jones' Baby and did Last Christmas.
00:33:45
Speaker
Odd. yeah I don't know. Yeah. but She went a little too literal with Last Christmas. and I still haven't seen it. It's the thing where, like, I saw the trailer of that, and I i just went, like,
00:33:57
Speaker
oh, I bet he's dead, and then decided like I didn't need to watch it.
00:34:04
Speaker
Spoilers for last Christmas. Well, I mean, i didn't I don't know if it's spoilers. I haven't seen it. I don't know if that's what happened. But that's what the trailer seemed to imply heavily. Yeah. We'll do it at Christmas. but I'll put it on my list, and I'll make you watch it this Christmas.
00:34:20
Speaker
It's not a favorite in this household. but I'm sure there is. We only get four Christmas movies. ah So you should pick something. You should pick something better. um Listen, Netflix is going to introduce four or five new Christmas movies, like awful Christmas movies that we're going to have to watch. So I know. And we haven't even done all the Christmas movies from this year.
00:34:43
Speaker
and we did the important ones. Yeah, we didn't do the Lindsay Lohan one. Oh, we didn't. I just watched it. i I mean, I watched it, but we didn't do it. Yeah. Okay. Well, we'll see. We'll see. Yeah. That's months away. Yeah.
00:34:56
Speaker
and yeah So Pride and Prejudice. um Surely, if you're listening to a rom-com podcast, you're familiar with Pride and Prejudice. Right.
00:35:08
Speaker
Pride and Prejudice. like I mean, I guess enemies i guess shakesaw Shakespeare wrote rom-coms. I mean, Much Ado About Nothing is a rom-com.
00:35:19
Speaker
Are they as relatable as Pride and Prejudice? No. um ah I don't know. i Only one of us here is married to a grumpy British man. Yeah.
00:35:32
Speaker
Although Charlie did say, he said that when he was in his teens, ah yeah um people often alluded to him as a Mr. Darcy type. And I was like, oh, okay.
00:35:44
Speaker
um But then I rewatched the movie and realized which Mr. Darcy type he was alluded to. Early days, Mr. Darcy. Yeah, yeah. Grumpy Mr. Darcy.
00:35:56
Speaker
Grumpy Mr. Darcy who wants to ruin everything for everyone and doesn't know how to like filter his feelings and is just awkward about things.
00:36:08
Speaker
What's really great about this movie and, you know, I think that, you know, i like obviously Colin Firth does a great job of this as well in the the BBC miniseries that that preceded this. um But like, I just noticed a lot more in this watch, like how much is on his face? Like Matthew McFadden...
00:36:26
Speaker
Is it McFadden? I don't... McFadden? i mean Matthew McFadden, speaking of succession, yeah as Mr. Darcy in this movie, does so much to communicate to the camera How in over his head he is how, how much he's aware that he's saying the wrong thing immediately after he says it in such a subtle way, like in such a very tiny, like little, little, little tells and things that that you know, because you're looking for it, but like, ah the characters in the movie aren't picking up on.
00:37:02
Speaker
Um, not to mention the fact that the hand flex. The hand. The hand. Which is in every single, like, fucking romanticcy book of, like and like, the jaw twitch and, like, the hand. And it's just, like, you see it.
00:37:15
Speaker
And he's just, ugh, the hand! And it's this little it's this little cutaway to this, like, close-up. It's so, like, um... it's it's out of the context of the the the filmic narrative of the movie um and and so like fleeting and it's it's so much earlier than i remember every time i see it like i feel like it's later on in the movie but it's when he just feels it's when he put he let he holds her he takes takes her hand to let her up into the carriage and then it just quickly cuts to him like
00:37:51
Speaker
ah oh god gives me chills i um i know it makes me want to swoon that that's a yeah this moment this movie is so fucking sexy um to be regency and to be like so concerned with propriety and it's very and it's and it's it's not like it's not bridgerton you know like it's not it's not what i'm saying it's not a a um It's not an overly modern understanding of the Regency era. It's a very traditional ah Regency um romance, realistically ah portrayed and filmed and everything.
00:38:31
Speaker
Yeah, but and with the horny undertones there that you can't get unless you're there 17 minutes. It's so horny. It's so wet. um Yeah. There's lots of mist.
00:38:44
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. much fog. Yeah. On the moors. It's very like, and it's one of those things. It's like, as soon as we we see that house, um it's just like.
00:38:57
Speaker
It's alive. Like, that's the thing about it is that like, Joe Wright did an excellent job in this film of like, utilizing those moments of silence of non like structured scene work to show us the insights into the different parts of the household. Like the first shot is like just panning through the house and like, it feels live. It's very similar to how, uh, to, um,
00:39:22
Speaker
what's her name Greta Gerwig's Little Women and that like oh yeah it's like feels lived in you feel like you're just a voyeur in this person in these people's house um and I think that's so beautiful and it's just automatically it gets you into that world and it gets you into this sort of like I mean almost my first note is this movie is a cottagecore lover's wet dream oh absolutely I mean like Caitlin it's the first thing I mean this is one of Caitlin's favorite movies um Caitlin and our friend Luke went to see it in the theater um just this past week.
00:39:58
Speaker
I had to work or I would have been there. um But yeah, because it's the 20th anniversary of this movie. So it's running in theaters all over the country again. And lots of people are seeing and talking about it. i actually got an email.
00:40:09
Speaker
um I think it was the day after you told us that we were going to be doing it this week. I got an email from the New York Times, which I don't know why they send me emails. I don't give money to the New York Times. Like, fuck the New York Times.
00:40:22
Speaker
For some reason, they still send missing send me emails every day of like breaking news and headlines and stuff. And sometimes like articles and like, okay, so sometimes I'll click on the wire cutter and read about like, you know, the best windbreakers for spring, whatever.
00:40:35
Speaker
i Or like the wire cutter did a whole thing about quints recently. And i'm like, well, okay, I i have something from quints. Maybe I should read this. Um, And um
00:40:48
Speaker
it was about the hand flex. It was an article written about the hand flex. and i was like, oh my God, I'll read this and we'll talk about it on the podcast. And i clicked on it and it's like, you have reached your limit of articles. God damn it.
00:40:59
Speaker
It was the fucking windbreakers, wasn't it, Katie? No, it was Quince. It was the Quince article from Wirecutter. Yeah. We could have talked about how sexy the world thinks that hand flex is. um ah It's, ah yeah, so um we'll never know. If you have a New York Times subscription, you can find it, I'm sure. I'm sure if you just Google New York Times, Pride Prejudice 2005, hand flex, you can read the article for free without a paywall. Yeah, I'm sure somebody has says posted a gift article or something.
00:41:27
Speaker
um But yeah, so pride and Prejudice, ah it is about the Bennett family. yeah um We have, okay, I think I can do this off the top of my head. Yeah, I believe in you.
00:41:40
Speaker
Mrs. Bennett is played by Brenda Blethen, who's a British actress who's in everything. ah mr Mr. Bennett is played by the great Donald Sutherland, RIP. Yes, RIP. Which we'll get to later.
00:41:52
Speaker
um We've got Jane Bennett, played by Rosamund Pike. Rosamund Pike met ah Joe Wright on the set of this movie, and then they dated for several years and were engaged. yeah.
00:42:03
Speaker
And then ah broke up. oh um And then we'll talk about Joe Wright's other romantic ah stuff later. um Then we have Keira Knightley as Lizzie Bennett.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yep. We have um Jenna Malone as Lydia Bennett. We have Carrie Mulligan Mary.
00:42:28
Speaker
God damn it. I'm so close as Kitty, Kitty Bennett. um And then we have the other one as she was on an episode of Doctor Who. The one who's not famous.
00:42:42
Speaker
Charlie actually knew the name of the actress. He was like, well, of course so he did. ah Tallulah Riley is her name. riley who And she gorgeous. yeah She was married to Elon Musk twice.
00:42:55
Speaker
Oh, Oh, no. She's that. I knew her name sounded familiar. Yeah. Now she's married to puppy sad face from um Love Actually. oh Thomas Brody Sangster. She sure is. Well, that's definitely an upgrade no matter it's what. Oh, my God. Of course.
00:43:14
Speaker
ah but umm Oh, she's on west world old not has she Has she sued him for custody? I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, but nerds will know her from a famous episode of Doctor Who ah from the David Tennant era um called Silence in the Library.
00:43:34
Speaker
And she's the Yeah. She's in that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I used to know the name of her character because we used to watch that all the time. That's the first River Song episode. It's the first River Song episode. It's where we first meet River Song. And Charlie and I always, anytime the lights go out, we go...
00:43:50
Speaker
Who turned out the lights? Who turned out the lights? Which is a callback to that episode. ah She's in like some kind of steampunk get up on her Wikipedia ah picture.
00:44:01
Speaker
Okay. okay Yeah. go. She was also on a show that filmed at the drama school Charlie and I both went to That was about drama school.
00:44:13
Speaker
and Okay, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to say pilot, maybe show, they filmed it during the summer, Rose Bruford, and she was on it, and, like, some other people were on it. But, like, I watched it, and it's just, it's, it's, like, they tried to make fame, but, uh, oh, sure.
00:44:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Fine. Fine. I'm gonna live forever. Fine, innit? um And and ah yes, so that's the Bennett family. The thing about the Bennett family is that he didn't have any sons. so yeah theyre all later under the law of 1813 in ah England, the women can't inherit shit.
00:44:58
Speaker
yeah So they've got to get married. Yeah. And their mother, who is a nightmare, He just really wants them to succeed in life. And succeeding in life is getting husbands and being married.
00:45:15
Speaker
Sure. Which is very much a fact of life in the in the the world of this of this of this book, of this movie. um It's true that they do, if they don't get married, like, it will be bad.
00:45:27
Speaker
Like, they will probably starve. Exactly. ah Donald Sutherland's character, Mr. Bennett is, ah I think he's maybe older in this movie than he is in the book. I don't quite remember. Yeah. Because they're not that old. Because Jane is what, like 22 or something? 23. Yeah.
00:45:44
Speaker
Yeah. Jane's 23. Yeah. And Lizzie is like 21. Yeah. Yeah. Because i um Lydia is 15, is the youngest.
00:45:56
Speaker
So there are five daughters with between the ages 15. the youngest. I thought Mary was the youngest. Yeah. Uh, yeah, maybe. um she says in the movie that her young, her youngest sister is not quite 16. Yeah.
00:46:08
Speaker
um So when they said later that that um when they said later that Lydia is 15, I assumed that made her the youngest, but I could I could be wrong. It has been years since I've read the book. I should read the book again. Yeah, um yeah, So, um yes, they've got ah quite a task ahead of them. um She is desperately trying to get someone to marry Jane, the oldest daughter, and ah constantly referred to as the pretty one. um and on Everyone else is is okay, is what her mother says at the kitchen table in front of all of them.
00:46:46
Speaker
Which, I mean, Rosamund Pike is really pretty. Rosamund Pike probably is prettier than Keira Knightley. But, like, you don't and say that in front of your daughters.
00:46:57
Speaker
Yeah, but also, Mrs. Bennett, she don't give a fuck. She does not. um ah She is a nightmare. um ah um She sucks so bad.
00:47:09
Speaker
ah She's very much a mom. She's very much an overwhelming, like if you took the stereotype of like an overbearing helicopter mom and made her Regency era, that's Mrs. Bennett.
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. And she's very... She's very forceful in her um in her machinations. um so first up we have Mr. Bingley, ah who is adorable. Mr. Bingley?
00:47:36
Speaker
He's so cute. Just the cutest stupid ginger. Doofus little dumb doofus. Doofus little rich kid. um yeah He's so sweet. And he and Jane like love each other. Like pretty much immediately.
00:47:51
Speaker
They go to the, there's this big. love first like There's this big dance. um man ah Love it for slight would be a great name for a Regency rom-com. Love it for slight.
00:48:04
Speaker
um And they meet at this dance where also we meet Mr. Darcy. Played ah by Matthew McFadden, who plays... And he's got a big old stick up his butt.
00:48:16
Speaker
Tom Wamsgams. Wamsgams? I don't remember how to say it. From Succession. Have you seen Succession, Emma? Oh, yeah. course I've seen Succession. I think that this is that's actually probably his better role than how he played Mr. Darcy.
00:48:32
Speaker
really? Yeah. But that's just because Tom's hilarious. Yes, he is. And he's I resisted Succession for a long time because it's like, why do i want to watch a TV show about a bunch of terrible billionaires? so It's King Lear.
00:48:45
Speaker
And then I realized, well, in King Lear, they all die, which I would have preferred. yeah um The thing about Succession is that you watch it because you hate them. Exactly. And you want terrible things to happen to them. And sometimes they do.
00:48:59
Speaker
Sometimes terrible things happen to them, but not enough, in my opinion. Yeah.
00:49:07
Speaker
But it's it's it's it's fun. um It's fun because of how how terrible they are. Yeah, exactly. the Mr. Darcy is, yes, he's reserved and awkward socially awkward. he can't dance.
00:49:23
Speaker
He is and unintentionally unintentionally rude. And I think that unintentional is a bit more awkward. um It's a bit more, it's easier to see in this version of this than in others. um Just how, because like, I remember reading the book it was like, fuck this guy. This guy sucks so bad, which is always the problem in an enemies to lovers rom-com.
00:49:49
Speaker
Like a lot of times, especially in more contemporary enemies to lovers rom-coms, the person sucks so bad you don't want them to be happy by the end of it, even if they change a little bit. A lot of times people will do and And both of them will do such terrible things to one another. Like it's, it's, you don't want them to be together.
00:50:11
Speaker
i always still want them to be together. Enemies to lovers is Emma's favorite trope. It's my favorite rom-com trope. I know yours is fake dating. Mine is my favorite. Fake romance. Mine is enemies to lovers.
00:50:23
Speaker
I'm such a sucker for an and enemies to lovers. I want to hate the guy so so hard in the beginning. And then i want him to like fight against his feelings for her only to succumb to them.
00:50:35
Speaker
ah That by the end, you're just like, whoo, what did I just read, baby? Did you hate Charlie when you first met him? No, I was indifferent.
00:50:50
Speaker
No, actually, I liked Charlie. I was mad at Charlie because he didn't try to kiss me. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I think we had this conversation already. Because five hours talking and he didn't make a move.
00:51:01
Speaker
And so i was I was pissed off that he didn't make a move. Yeah, that's why sometimes we gotta make the move, you know? Yeah, I know, right? I mean, you're talking to the chick that ah proposed over but here.
00:51:12
Speaker
You pro proposed to Charlie? Yeah, I proposed to Charlie. Did I not tell you that story? Oh, I think we have talked about it before. I just i just forgot, I think, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a breakup or get married sort of situation.
00:51:25
Speaker
Well, there was a there was a um an intercontinental divide. yeah an intercontinental divide. We didn't want to break up. And so we were like, well, what's the worst thing that happens? You know, just get divorced.
00:51:38
Speaker
Just get married. Yeah. And it's been 12 beautiful years. Move to America.
00:51:46
Speaker
yeah Probably won't get worse than England in the next 12 years. No. Oops. Whoops-a-daisies. I mean, they're neck and neck. I think like England is is fighting hard to be as bad as America at the moment. We'll we'll see.
00:52:00
Speaker
But at least they have free health care. that Sure. Yeah. For now. ah For now. Yeah. Yeah. My mortal enemy, West Streeting, is going to do everything he can to to destroy it.
00:52:12
Speaker
How's that, Charlie? i bet you didn't know I knew that much about England's government. Boom, baby. I didn't even know who you were talking about. Mic drop, baby. ah should have called him Wesley because he doesn't like Wesley. he like He goes by Wes, and so I'm trying to call him Wesley Streeting intentionally. love that.
00:52:29
Speaker
I love that. This is actually the perfect segue. Are you ready for Charlie's Corner? Charlie's Corner? yeah Yeah, we're five minutes into the movie and an hour into the podcast. that's all john for Everybody knows this movie.
00:52:45
Speaker
I'm so sorry. i didn't mean to interrupt you going, i governor. I governor? That's okay. That's okay. ah The listeners will revolt, but that's fine.
00:52:56
Speaker
I'll cut it out. Okay. So it's not as bad as you think, but it is as bad as you think. So Charlie thoroughly enjoyed the movie.
00:53:09
Speaker
he hated the random zooms that Joe Wright did. Every time there was a random little zoom, like cinematography wise, like why there a random zoom? And I was like, it's just the style. It's the style of the movie, Charlie. It's just, yeah that's Joe Wright's style.
00:53:25
Speaker
That's his whole thing. don't understand. Oh, weird zoom again. Oh, weird zoom again. Has he seen Atonement or Anna Karenina? You don't think he's seen Atonement?
00:53:35
Speaker
No, he has not seen Atonement. Oh my God. Okay. I know. I know. We can't do that on this pod, but I will make him watch it, even though I've sworn to myself I can't cry that hard at a movie again.
00:53:48
Speaker
but Have you read the book? I haven't because I watched the movie and it destroyed me, Katie. It fucking destroyed me. Yeah. um Ian, I have some, some Ian McEwen.
00:54:00
Speaker
I think that's how you say his name. uh is a great writer he's written several books that i i really like and is a horrible person um ah so it's one of those things um so i have a complicated relationship with uh with ian mckeown but yeah um my dad i think gave me atonement for like christmas one year or something god absolutely oh god because i was in like a high school um ruined me yeah Oh my god.
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, yeah and I was like, have you read this? And he's like, no, I just, you know, it's a bestseller or whatever. And I gave it to him and he was like, oh, wow. Yeah, everything happens in that.
00:54:43
Speaker
Boy, oh boy. Ugh. Rough. But it's a beautiful film. um Highly recommend. ah So he thoroughly enjoyed it. He...
00:54:55
Speaker
did not like the chemistry between Keira Knightley and um Mr. Darcy. Why? He didn't believe it. He thought that they had zero chemistry.
00:55:07
Speaker
That was my face. Oh my God. That was my face. This one of the like chemistry movies. like This is the... it's the the of It's a prime example of chemistry. What do you mean? didn't believe in all the sexy stares.
00:55:24
Speaker
That was exactly my reaction. i don't understand, Charlie, I think is the main thing that we have here. um I don't know.
00:55:38
Speaker
okay it's fine i don't have to I don't have to understand Charlie. yeah He has more thoughts. um He also thoroughly enjoyed it. It made him really want to watch the 1995 BBC miniseries because he was like I enjoyed the film and I enjoyed the story but I just didn't like Mr. Darcy and that portrayal of Mr. Darcy.
00:56:02
Speaker
And I was like but you're new to this! Wait, had he never seen this movie? He'd never seen this movie. Never seen Pride Prejudice. my Did he not read the book? No, he never read the book.
00:56:13
Speaker
Why aren't men required to read Jane Austen? I don't understand. i feel like they should. I feel like they should. In my college, everybody had to read Pride and Prejudice. It was in, so my college had this, I think I may have talked about this before.
00:56:25
Speaker
My college had this class called Great Books that every sophomore has to take. Oh, love that. It changes every year, but there are um there's like, i think, seven books that you read. And it starts with like the Odyssey and ends with, I think Song of Solomon was the was the most kt was the most current book at the time.
00:56:48
Speaker
um And it kind of goes through all the, like, they're all different genres and all different writers and stuff. um And um no, there was something after, I don't remember. It doesn't matter.
00:56:59
Speaker
Yeah. But Pride and Prejudice was always one of them. Yeah, because it's a classic. And yeah, I think, yeah, everyone should have to read Pride and Prejudice. Absolutely. I think there should be required reading list to be a person.
00:57:12
Speaker
yeah um Yeah, but ah Charlie had never seen it. his This is one of his mom's favorite films. um He knew that much. And um yeah, he didn't like how how Joseph McFadden Matthew McFadden?
00:57:28
Speaker
Sorry, Matthew McFadden
00:57:32
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portrayed Mr. Darcy. he kept saying Colin Farrell I want to see the Colin Farrell version and I said there's no Colin Farrell version I would also like to see the Colin Farrell version right heavens
00:57:50
Speaker
He went, no, the Colin Firth version. And then he was just like, then after the movie ended, he was like, okay, okay, okay. Well, like lets let's see how Colin Firth played this. So we then watched a bunch of clips of the 1995 BBC miniseries. do want to watch it.
00:58:08
Speaker
I've actually never seen the miniseries. Oh, really? Yeah. I hear it's great. i've got I've got a big DVD box set somewhere. Oh, did i put it in storage? Oh, no. It's It's one of my many absurd purchases. It's like it's like this big. course it is.
00:58:24
Speaker
And it's got like this big art book. and like tv It was like I got this in college. It was like during the time of DVDs, you know, and like all the like fancy editions of the – I've got a ridiculous version of the notebook I think I've already showed you. love it.
00:58:40
Speaker
Yeah, it must be in storage. But it's, why is it the size of a coffee table book? clay Because it can be, Katie. Yeah. Because it can be. It can. um But yeah, and so then he was just like, I really like this portrayal. I like how he's playing it. It's more conversational. ah and Okay. that i I have gone back and forth. Like when this movie first came out and like saw it in the theater, we were like, okay, but like,
00:59:09
Speaker
The BBC version is better, right? um I no longer think that's the case. I think that, I mean, the BBC version is also like the BBC version. So it looks like it was made for $11, 11 pounds. Exactly.
00:59:23
Speaker
11 pounds. And it's, yeah, it seem it does it seems a little amateur compared to this, despite how great Colin Firth is. Obviously, we love Colin Firth.
00:59:36
Speaker
But this movie This has the landscape It's so gorgeous It's got the feel It's got the vibe the Him walking across the field At the end ah And the music score This score is very vital To Caitlin and my lives yeah yeah We listen to this score a lot Caitlin loves to take a bath And put this score on um yeah It's great ah We should say ah that the score is by Dario Marianelli, who I'm not super familiar with, but it is a very traditional...
01:00:16
Speaker
piano and strings yeah score. It's absolutely gorgeous. If you heard it, you would be like, oh, what is this? Is this like, you know, some classical composer? Is this like Chopin or something? And it's like, no, bitch, it's Pride and Prejudice.
01:00:31
Speaker
Pride and Prejudice 2005, baby. And they utilize it in the best way. It is not only used as a backdrop for the film, but then also whenever they play the piano forte, it's always the same like music.
01:00:43
Speaker
And I love that It's great. um the The song, um it's called your Your Hands Are Cold. yes. Just fucking beautiful.
01:00:54
Speaker
um So I do want to say, um see yeah, so... Caitlin, we'll do Caitlin's Corner also. Caitlin says, if there was a feeling I could live in, it would be the beginning of this movie. where yeah Yes.
01:01:09
Speaker
the The movie starts like it's a black screen and the birds are the first thing you hear, like the the dawn chorus. um and it's just it's And she's just walking across the beautiful English countryside reading a book.
01:01:22
Speaker
love it. And then she she described their house as live action Miyazaki, which I think is also really evocative. Yeah, fun. I can feel that with the animals. Like there's, there's cows also in like the second shot of this movie. There's cows, which like, Hey, come on.
01:01:39
Speaker
There's cows, there's geese, there's swans. There's a pig with big giant balls. Yep. That just walks through the house. Why is that pig being walked through the house?
01:01:49
Speaker
Yeah. um ah it's ah yeah We haven't really talked about the plot, I guess, but um much of the movie concerns Jane, honestly. yeah um yeah the Lizzie is almost this the B-plot of this movie, although she is the main character.
01:02:06
Speaker
yeah um Because everybody is trying to get Jane a good match, right? And so Mr. Bingley has a best friend, Mr. Darcy, and throughout the course of various things, Lizzie keeps ending up spending time with Mr. Darcy for one reason or another.
01:02:23
Speaker
um Jane goes to visit Mr. Bingley and rides on a horse in the rain and gets sick and has to stay there for like a week, which was orchestrated Yep.
01:02:35
Speaker
Her mom wouldn't let her take the carriage because she wanted this to happen. Yeah. Which is crazy. Absolutely. Again, rain rain doesn't make you sick.
01:02:50
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ah so So all the Bennetts eventually go there. And, like, the Bennett family is such, like, it's very much, like, Caitlin, I think, also really identifies with that, coming from a big family. um Yeah.
01:03:02
Speaker
it there're this slake They're they're not, like, proper, right? Which is, like, the problem with them and why, like, things... start to turn against them time and time again is because they show up and say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing. And they're like, Oh, well, this isn't proper.
01:03:22
Speaker
ah we We can't have this. um Yeah. Yeah. And despite, like, I mean, Jane and Lizzie are both, like, pretty pretty good ladies. Yeah. We'll get to to more of Lizzie in the later on. But, like, yeah those the younger three are a problem.
01:03:39
Speaker
Yeah. The younger three are just, like, feral. Why would Mrs. Bennett bring the younger girls with them to Mr. Bingley's house? because I don't know.
01:03:54
Speaker
Carrie Mulligan's giggle in this movie is like. So good. And this is one of Carrie Mulligan's very first roles. Yeah, yeah. I mean, an education was like her breakthrough. And that was, I think, yeah three years later. so Yeah. And she's quite young in this. This is great.
01:04:08
Speaker
And she's big- Also, I guess she was in a Doctor Who episode. um She was. She was also in a great Doctor Who episode, which was- Probably the best Doctor Who episode. i i wouldn't I would not argue that. I do believe, also from the David Tennant era, um it is the ah Weeping Angels, the very first Weeping Angels episode.
01:04:27
Speaker
Blink. That's it's called. Yeah. Blink. Uh, it's fantastic. And so and David Tennant is surprisingly not in a lot of it. Yeah. No, it's mostly her and that yeah the the guy in it. Um, I don't remember.
01:04:40
Speaker
Yeah. It's really great. Um, but yeah, so the three younger ones, but like, and also why would she let Lydia go off later down the road to just go hang out with some army dudes?
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah. She doesn't really have control over them. They're they're kind of wild children. ah Yeah, but she just lets them do whatever they want. and and it's just sort of like that's the whole like theme is that these kids, they can these ladies just do whatever they want because they're their parents are a little spooky and nice.
01:05:12
Speaker
They didn't have a governess. Or go to fishing pool. Like when Lady Catherine says, well, your your mother must have had a lot of work in educating you. And Keira Knightley's like, not really. Nope.
01:05:24
Speaker
Nope, nope, nope. Don't worry about it. We just read books, pretty much. Yep. and it's Which is great.
01:05:34
Speaker
it's and it's And that's, I think, why these these books have have endured so much. Because like despite being over 200 years old, there is a kind of... There's a bit of feminism in yeah in in her. And a little bit of... I guess... I mean, again, she's still trying to to become the wife of a rich man who... Yeah.
01:05:55
Speaker
Well, I mean, maybe she'll maybe she'll write. She's not quite Joe March, but, you know. Yeah. Yeah. You don't really get a lot of the internal desires of of these of these women in in this movie, at least. A little bit more in the book, but um it's really just just a man.
01:06:14
Speaker
yeah But on the other hand, they they have um that they they Lizzie at least had very much you know does what she wants. like she She refuses two marriage proposals in this movie, which is like... yeah not something you're supposed to do. Yeah.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah. Unheard of. And my favorite scene, ah her and Lady Catherine, ah where both scenes with her and Lady Catherine are just like, so good.
01:06:44
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You just didn't talk that way to to the nobility at that time. And she's like, shut the fuck up, bitch. I do what I want. She does. Yeah, that's literally what she says. yeah Yeah. um Lady Catherine played by Judi Dench. Judi Dench?
01:07:01
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That's what Charlie shouted when and she was on screen. He goes, oh, I think it, oh, it is, it is. It's Dame Judi Dench.
01:07:10
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loves Judi Dench. Who, I mean, much like the Queen in Shakespeare in Love, is so good at playing, like, an impetuous bitch. Yeah, and that's how Joe Wright actually got her to say this Imperious. I'm sorry. I mean, imperious. Imperious.
01:07:24
Speaker
Well, he convinced Judi Dench this because he wrote her a letter saying, you just have always played such a good bitch. Yeah. She has. I mean, she plays, and she she can play a sweetheart, too. um Obviously, we love Judi Dench. Oh, for sure.
01:07:40
Speaker
She's still alive? Yeah, she's still alive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, she's still alive. She was all over TikTok during COVID. matt Well, that was five years ago.
01:07:51
Speaker
um Maggie, Maggie Smith died. Yes, that's who thinking of now. Yeah, Maggie Smith died. the um Yes. So um she keeps running into Mr. Darcy. Mr. Darcy is rude to her and find she finds him prideful um and he has prejudice against him. um Just like the title.
01:08:16
Speaker
it's It's like, you know, comedy of manners, right? like She hears something about him that she takes to be true, which is not actually true. We've got... We haven't even talked about Mr. Wickham and Mr. Collins. Oh, yeah.
01:08:30
Speaker
That's okay. It's okay. It's okay. ah Mr. Wickham is this soldier dude who's very sexy, very attractive. Russell Friend. Yeah. He's in lots of stuff. Yeah.
01:08:41
Speaker
And he's got the hair and he's just got the swagger. and Lizzie and sisters. I mean, I think it's impossible to be sexy in a British Army uniform, but we neither here nor there.
01:08:52
Speaker
In a Regency era film it is. In a Regency era film. Or World War II film. So he's this sexy British army guy that Lizzie and sisters run into in town.
01:09:04
Speaker
And he goes shopping with them. He pays for some ribbons for Lydia. And he's just like super flirty with Lizzie. And Lizzie's like, oh my God, who is this sexy guy They instantly have a connection. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then he's just like, then they run into Mr. Darcy, like ah as they're like walking back to the Bennett house and Mr. Darcy and Mr. Wickham have like a little stare off and they and everyone's like, oh my God, do you guys know each other?
01:09:34
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And they're like, yeah, kind of. um And ah he gets invited. And um Mr. Bennett, not Mr. Bennett, Mr. Bingham Bingley is having a ball. And so he's inviting them all to the ball.
01:09:47
Speaker
And they're like, oh, well you got to invite this new dude that we just met. And he's like, yeah, you're totally invited, too. And Mr. Darcy's like, my i don't like this. And so Lizzie's like, what's up?
01:09:57
Speaker
What's up with all that tension there? And he's like, oh, well, here's the thing. i was like really close with Mr. Darcy. Like we grew up together. um His dad was like a dad to me.
01:10:08
Speaker
And he actually kind of loved me a lot more than he liked Mr. Darcy. um And so like when he when he passed away, like he left me.
01:10:19
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um He was going to leave me all of his stuff. But Mr. Darcy was like, hell no. the The rectory. He wanted the rectory ah because he wanted to be he wanted to be a preacher, he says yeah Yeah, he said that he wants to be a preacher. And um Mr. Darcy was like, hell no.
01:10:34
Speaker
So now here I am, a soldier. I've got no money. I've got nothing. And it's all thanks to this dick. And so Lizzie's like, oh, my God, that's terrible. And so then they go back to the Bennett house where they also find out their cousin is coming.
01:10:49
Speaker
Their cousin, who's Mr. Collins. Mr. Collins is a um ah preacher. ah No, what's what's a British priester? Preacher. A preacher. I think it's priester.
01:11:01
Speaker
um Tom Hollander plays him. He's a vicar, right? Is he a vicar? A vicar. Vicar. That's it. Yeah. A vicar. A vicar. He's a vicar. And he is boring. The most boring man in the world.
01:11:14
Speaker
He's five foot five, ah which God bless Tom Hollander. Tom Hollander seems like a cool guy. and I'm sure that he's a short king in real life. Mr. Collins, not a short king.
01:11:26
Speaker
not a short king no no no he very much has napoleon syndrome and is just like you know well i mean he's not he's not an asshole he oh just asshole he's just he's just a weird awkward boring little man yeah yeah a weird awkward boring little man exactly And so turns out because it's, he's the closest male relative.
01:11:52
Speaker
So he's going to inherit everything. ah if you know, bitches don't get married. Uh, and so Mrs. Bennett's like, Oh, well, well, what if you, you know, married one of the daughters? That seems like a smart idea.
01:12:09
Speaker
And he can keep the estate in the family. Yeah. Exactly. And so he immediately is like, hey, Mrs. Bennett, hey, I'm here. What good potatoes?
01:12:20
Speaker
And then...
01:12:23
Speaker
And then he he reads a bunch of boring shit. And then he's just like, hey, Mrs. Bennett, hey, ah youre your oldest girl, Jane, there, she's real pretty. Can I can i marry her? And she goes, ooh, ooh, awkward. um Yeah, no, she's actually already engaged. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. She's not, but um yeah everyone's really hoping that Mr. Bingley will propose. So she doesn't want to take that.
01:12:45
Speaker
Rip the rug out from underneath Jane. Yeah. So she goes, but you know, her sister Lizzie is totally single and
Plot Twists and Character Dynamics in Pride and Prejudice
01:12:52
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available. and you and and And almost as adequate or something like that. And almost as adequate. And he goes, yes.
01:13:00
Speaker
She's very amiable, yes. Yeah, she's very amiable, yes. And so at breakfast the next day, he's like, I need the room to talk to Lizzie. And everyone gets up to leave because they know what's going to happen. Happens so many times in this movie. They're like, can I be alone with the lady? Yeah.
01:13:16
Speaker
and then everyone's like, oh no, oh no. And ah Lizzie knows what's happening and she can sense the dread is coming and Mr. Collins is like, I think we should get married because this seems like a smart match. And and Lizzie's like, I'm i'm good, thanks.
01:13:32
Speaker
No, thank you. Thank you, but thanks, but no thanks. And then everyone is mad, and then her mom's like, what the fuck, Lizzie? She's I don't want to do that.
01:13:43
Speaker
And um Yeah, and then then we find out that Mr. Bingley leaving town. He's going to London. Going to London.
01:13:56
Speaker
did not propose to Jane. Did not propose to Jane. And he does not... He's got a TBD on when he's going to be back in the country, which is a big old sign that he's not going to propose to Jane.
01:14:07
Speaker
So Jane's yeah heartbroken, upset, sad, you know, because they were flirting all the time. And, like, Lizzie makes several... ah ah She makes several references to the fact that, like, she's like, I wonder if it's because, like, Jane is so shy.
01:14:22
Speaker
and he thinks that, like, she's not interested. Well, I mean, they they told... They told her, it's like, you need to act more like you like him, right? Like, yeah he might think that you you need to be a little bit more, like, like not aggressive, but like, you need to to let... So, yeah.
01:14:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Show him that you, that you like him a little bit more than you are. And, um, uh, she doesn't, um, but, um, the other, I just want to talk about Mr. Bennett for a second. Um, the other big thing that Caitlin said in this movie, and she said that before is that, um, he reminds her of my dad, um, in this movie specifically, Donald Sutherland as Mr. Bennett reminds Caitlin of my dad. And I can totally see that.
01:15:07
Speaker
Um, As we've said, like Wallace Shawn is your Yeah, Wallace Shawn is my dad. Donald Sutherland can be my dad. He doesn't look like ah my dad, ah really. But the I think the way that Caitlin described him as he's just like kind of a calm center in the midst of chaos. Yeah.
01:15:29
Speaker
My dad had ah three, not five daughters. um but i Almost there. And like the thing where... um when she tells Mr. Collins that she's not going to marry him, her mom absolutely freaks out yeah and comes and this says, like, i'm I'm not going to speak to you ever again. And she says, yeah mr mr Mr. Bennett, make her marry Mr. Collins.
01:15:54
Speaker
And he goes and talks to her. And of course, they they have this conversation instead of in a room. and in like in the, the gorgeous countryside ah yeah and course ah by a, by a pond. And he tells her, he says, you're at a you're at an impasse because, and this is directly from the book, of course he says, you know, because your mother will never speak to you if you, if you don't marry Mr. Collins and I'll never speak to you if you do.
01:16:18
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Oh, I love that man. Dad.
01:16:23
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He's such a sweetheart. I will never see you again if you do, is what he says. Your mother will never see you again if you don't marry Mr. Collins, and I will never see you again if you do. Yeah. um ah And so what there's some things that we that we don't really get as much in this version as others. um Caroline Bingley, played by... fuck.
01:16:44
Speaker
What's her name? It doesn't matter. Redhead. um She's gorgeous. Caroline Bingley is kind of the villain of the, of the story generally. yeah um I mean, that character. i were ah Shown in fire Island.
01:16:58
Speaker
Yeah. to say yeah the The, the, the version of her in fire Island is, is also there, but Carol, and he has another sister that's not in this movie. That's in the book. um The, both of his sisters are kind of like protective of him and like,
01:17:11
Speaker
a bit more like, because he's a doofus and they're the ones who are kind of like, you know, running the family and everything. Um, but also they're women, so they can't, so they, he has to be the, the, the face. Right.
01:17:24
Speaker
Um, they're, they're much more, uh, prejudicial, uh, in the, uh, in the book against the Bennett's. Like they think the Bennett's are embarrassing. Like they don't have any money there. They let their women, ah say whatever they want. Um, do whatever the hell they want.
01:17:41
Speaker
And they are the ones who, along with Mr. Darcy, um told um told Mr. Bingley to to to not pursue Jane, to leave and go back to London.
01:17:52
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um Lizzie finds out that Mr. Darcy, in this, they just simplify it to Mr. Darcy told him to to leave. um And then we have the rain scene. Yeah, which is absolutely horny as hell and gorgeous.
01:18:06
Speaker
And Mr. Darcy is like... It's wet. Oh, it's so wet. Mr. Darcy is like, I you. Like, just completely soaked. yeah and mr darcy's like i can't help it but i i mean against my like better judgment i love you ah please marry me and um lizzie is like i'm sorry against your better judgment da fuck mister also you ruined my favorite sister's life so fuck you i'm not gonna marry you
01:18:37
Speaker
And then he's like, and she's like it she's like, admit it. Like, tell it admit what you did. yeah um And he says, like, i yes, I told him that. But it wasn't because of of your family. It was because I didn't think that that she truly liked him.
01:18:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And she was like, she's shy, dick. But, I mean, like, we learn that he is very protective of ah of Mr. Bingley and and other people that that he loves because they've been, like, kind of wronged before, right? And the whole thing with Mr. with mr Wickham was about, like, his sister and how yeah he, Mr. Wickham, humiliated and, and and like...
01:19:20
Speaker
made his sister so sad. So it's that same kind of thing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because you find out that like Mr. Wickham, it was not about a rectory. Mr. Wickham got a bunch of money from Mr. Darcy's dead dad, but then he went and he gambled it all away. And then when he asked for more money, Mr. Darcy was like, no, no, no.
01:19:41
Speaker
And so he came back, courted, what's her name? Georgiana. Georgiana I was like I know that it's a cool name Georgiana Darcy who is Mr. Darcy's 15 year old younger sister um convinced her to marry him to which Mr. Darcy was like if you do that Georgiana is not going to get any money and then he just ghosted her because he was like oh no payday okay Audi 5000 and then and broke Georgiana's heart um yeah and she's the sweetest person in the world
01:20:16
Speaker
Sweetest little gentle. ah When I, ah when I took, when i I wanted us to do this on the podcast, but we're not going to have time now. um I wanted us to take quizzes on which character Pride and Pride in this we are.
01:20:29
Speaker
um But when I took it, I got Georgiana Darcy, which Caitlin said is the best, which Caitlin said is the best answer. Send me the quiz and I'll take it. And then for at the top of the next episode, I'll tell you who I am.
01:20:42
Speaker
Okay, okay. Yeah. I mean, i would I assumed I would have been Lizzie, but I guess we're always the protagonist in our own minds, right? You know. um ah Yeah.
01:20:52
Speaker
I have a feeling, i have one of two, that I think I'm a half and half. Uh-huh. Or a third and third. Which is that? I think that I'm a little kitty.
01:21:04
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I'm a little kitty slash Lydia, but I'm also a little Jane. I don't know about that. very kind. Yes, you are. I mean, we're we're all kind. Where were we? So we get that. So um we're at... He proposes to her and she says no, yeah.
01:21:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And so then she's like, it's the same sort of situation in Little Women when Joe denies Lori. um And she's like kind of sad about it because she's like, what did I do?
01:21:30
Speaker
Oh, no. Because then she's starting to realize, oh, my God, I i do. I actually I've got feelings for him because he's starting to make amends for all of his mistakes and he's starting to fix shit.
01:21:42
Speaker
And she's like, oh, my God, Mr. Darcy's fixing all of my problems. Say what? But then, well boom, Lydia goes off to hang out with a bunch of soldiers like an irresponsible teen and runs away
Romantic Resolutions and Character Growth
01:21:57
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with Mr. Witham.
01:22:00
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I'm sorry. Is running off with a bunch of soldiers something that a lot of irresponsible teens do? Is that like...
01:22:09
Speaker
Is that a trope? I don't know. It could be in Regency-era England. Yeah. I mean, what they don't say is that Lydia goes off and fucks Mr. Wickham. That's what happens.
01:22:21
Speaker
Yeah. um They have, they elope. They run off together. ah And, ah you know, their family is ruined because they' their youngest daughter, who's 15 years old, we should say. 15 years old.
01:22:37
Speaker
I mean, we don't know how old Mr. Wickham is. um I mean, the actor is like 25 probably, but we don't know. I don't know how old he is. He could be 17, you know? It doesn't say. But if he's like around the same age as Mr. Darcy, I have to imagine he's like 22.
01:22:53
Speaker
Mr. Darcy ah saves them, ah basically. he um He pays for them to have a real wedding. And even though it's in the society papers and everyone knows about it, it's at least got some kind of measure of propriety to it.
01:23:08
Speaker
exactly and um poor lydia lydia did this to herself there was a dumb she's she's 15 i don't know if she necessarily deserves to have the rest of her life ruined by being married to a piece of shit oh caitlin is also like fuck lydia
01:23:29
Speaker
she's an idiot she's a dumb idiot Okay, yeah, so you were never in a in a romance with a ah ah bad when you were 15. okay, okay.
01:23:41
Speaker
You whatever. um Anyways, so then that happens, and Lydia's like, la, la, la, la.
01:23:52
Speaker
I'm so happy. Mr. Dawson solved this. Don't tell anyone. And Lizzie's like, oh, fuck. And so she wanders out into the fields. it and And because she can't can't sleep, ah I think?
01:24:07
Speaker
It's morning? I don't know. yeah And ah it's all misty. And who comes walking towards her all sexly? It's Mr. Darcy! And she's like, hey, I couldn't sleep. it And he's like, hey, I couldn't sleep.
01:24:23
Speaker
isn that Isn't the Jane and Mr. Bingley thing, doesn't that happen first? Nope. Oh, does it?
01:24:32
Speaker
Oh, maybe it does. Sorry. Yeah. why That's the last scene. That's the last the very last scene. So Mr. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Bingley ah shows up at their house with Mr. and mr Darcy.
01:24:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, hey, what's up? Just came to say hi ah No reason. No reason particularly. And Mrs. Bennet's like, oh, la, la, la, la.
01:24:54
Speaker
Talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Here's Jane again. Talk, talkck talk, talk, talk, talk. And then he's like, okay. Oh, my God. This is overwhelming. Gotta go. Bye. And so then he leaves and then we get this very, very cute little shot.
01:25:05
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Yeah.
01:25:08
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This very, very cute little shot of um him like ah practicing proposing to Jane because he's ready to do it, but he was just so nervous and he was just so like taken aback by all of the like the energy in the room. um And Mr. Darcy is is pretending to be Jane when they're acting it out. It's so cute.
01:25:29
Speaker
Yeah. It's so cute. And then, ah so then he goes back um because he laughed and everyone was like, well, that was weird.
01:25:40
Speaker
But also guess he's still not proposing. That's a bit of a bummer, but you know what? I'm fine. I'm fine. It's fine. Don't, don't worry about me. I'm fine. ah Like we can like see each other now in society and it's not going weird.
01:25:53
Speaker
ah And then he comes back and he goes, just kidding. Can I have the room please?
01:26:04
Speaker
And we get this beautiful, beautiful, we cut away. We don't see the actual proposal. Well, first he says, you must forgive me for being an, I can't forget, i can't remember the adjective he uses, but like ah complete ass.
01:26:19
Speaker
yeah And yeah then he gets down on one knee and then you just cut to Rosamund Pike's face of saying yes. And it's so happy and it's just so, Oh, so beautiful.
01:26:31
Speaker
And so has proposed, she has accepted and Jane is getting married to Mr. Bingley.
01:26:40
Speaker
and everyone is super happy and excited. And, but Lizzie's having some feelings. She's like, oh but my sister is going away now.
01:26:51
Speaker
Well, that's a bit sad, but also like Mr. Darcy was there. and Oh no, that's why she was sad. It was because she was like, are you also staying in town, Mr. Darcy? And Mr. Darcy was like, nah, I'm leaving tomorrow.
01:27:02
Speaker
And she's like, oh, wow. yeah So then she's like, there's also, I mean, the scene with, the scene with Lady Catherine is before this, which we just want to get in real quick. Lady Catherine, who is Mr. Collins, the person who pays for Mr. Collins to like be a preacher or whatever. His benefactor.
01:27:19
Speaker
Benefactor, yeah. Judi Dench comes to talk to to Lizzie um when, oh yeah, she visits like Pemberley with her aunt and uncle. There's a whole thing about Penelope Wilton is also in this movie, who's in so many movies we do on this.
01:27:33
Speaker
ah The Prime Minister from Doctor Who. Her aunt. there Mr. Darcy is kind to to her uncle and like takes him fishing. It's very sweet. Yep. we Fast forwarding through all of that. um We talked too much about improv at the top of this show.
01:27:50
Speaker
It's such a hero moment for Lizzie because Judi Dench is like, you know, Mr. Darcy, I heard that Mr. Darcy proposed to you. Are you engaged to Mr. Darcy? And she's like, no, I'm not.
01:28:03
Speaker
um And he's like, she's like, i need you to promise me that if he proposes to you in the future, you will not accept. And she's like, fuck you. She's like, I can't promise that. You don't tell me what to do. I'm sorry that he didn't marry your daughter.
01:28:16
Speaker
um ah But like just because you're rich, you don't get to order people around. and she's like, you're the most important impertinent little poor shit I've ever met. And ah it's it's very ah cathartic um for her to stand up to her in that way. And it's what makes you love Lizzie so much. Yeah, because she can't she stands up for what she, you know, for herself, which is really nice to see.
01:28:41
Speaker
yeah a costume And any assault on the British class system is a bomb to me. um And then we have the dawn scene with her. and Then we have the dawn scene where they're walking and they meet in this misty Mars.
01:28:56
Speaker
Wide shot of this like like beautiful field and he's just like silhouetted in the sunrise coming across. It's the most romantic fucking thing you in the world.
01:29:09
Speaker
Oh my god. And horny as hell. Yes.
01:29:16
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This undercurrent of absolute lust. oh yeah Yeah. Yeah. And they're staring at each other and he's like, Hey, remember that question I asked you a little while ago? oh what?
01:29:26
Speaker
No. First he's like, Hey, sorry about my aunt. She's like, it's cool. And then he's like, Hey, remember that question I asked you a while ago? Well, um, uh, if you still felt that way,
01:29:38
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like that's cool but like if your feelings have changed and like i don't know you maybe changed your mind about the whole marriage thing uh would be great and um then she just like simply like takes his hands and like dan steps up to him and then she's like yeah that would be great let's do it she kisses well i mean first of all Yes, that is basically the gist.
01:30:06
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But what he actually says is you have bewitched me body and soul and I love I love I love you and I never wish to be parted from you from this day on. So yeah, that's a lot beautiful then. Hey, remember that question I asked you?
01:30:19
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Caitlin just moaned from the other room is what I said. Oh, um She takes his hand. She says, your hands are cold. She kisses them and they push their foreheads together and like the lens flare of the dawn and
01:30:36
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it's amazing. Yeah. And then the whole epilogue is like him getting permission from Donald Sutherland, which is so sweet. He's like, are you sure, Lizzie, that you love him? What?
01:30:48
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Caitlin has a Caitlin's Corner fact. Okay. That's the American ending. Can you her? Come closer. Oh, the with two of them at Darcy's house isn't the British version? Darcy, Mrs. Darcy.
01:31:03
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come closer
01:31:07
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are there any other young suitors out there that's where the british one the british version oh so the scene with the two of them at dar'arcy's house is is isn't in the british version is that like little thing where she says like all the different different name mrs dcy mrs dar Oh, I like that, though. I like that.
01:31:25
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think there's something nice. I don't know if that came across on the microphone, but she said that the the the British movie ends ah at the scene with her and her dad, which, yeah again, as i as I've said, i I now am associating my own ah father with with Donald Sutherland in this.
01:31:46
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And it's it's so so fucking sweet this conversation that they have together and he's like I thought you hated him and she's like well I thought I did but I was wrong and and I have to tell you what he did for for for Jane and for for Lydia and like he starts crying and he it's just so sweet um but I'm sorry. ah well And he tells her, he said he says, um i would not have parted with you, Lizzie, for to anyone less worthy.
01:32:19
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um And
01:32:24
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it's it's so fucking beautiful. um beautiful And then, apparently in the American ending, they have a coda with the two of them after they get married, um Mr. Darcy and And Lizzie and ah what does he call her? like sexy My darling. And she goes, no, don't call me my darling.
01:32:44
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um And then she says, like, call me. um You can call me Lizzie or you can call me um my. your My Pearl. My Pearl. On Sundays. Or you can call me. ah goddess something something yeah a and whenever you're extremely happy and so then he says that and then they kiss and it's well he kisses her face like in a sexy way and then he lands her forehead and cheeks and then yeah and he says how they call you Mrs. Darcy and she says only when you're um um and exuberantly happy or something and then he just keeps saying Darcy Mrs. Darcy Darcy
01:33:26
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mrs So that's Pride and Prentice, baby! Yeah. um One of the greats. um What movie are we doing next week?
01:33:39
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Um...
01:33:42
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Oh, no! We doing... Oh, next week, yes. We are doing a bit of an off-kilter rom-com. We are going to do Raising Arizona. Oh!
01:33:57
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Bringing it back to the A's. Yeah. Coen Brothers, Nicolas Cage, Holly Hunter. ah another Another classic. keep steve You've seen it, right?
01:34:11
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No, I've never seen it. Really? okay, great. Yeah. Cool, cool, cool. It's going be great. Shall we outro? Because I got to go to work. Let us.
01:34:22
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01:34:38
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