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Garden State
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Emma & Katie get nostalgic and talk about the 2004 Millennial touchstone Garden State. We get into Manic Pixie Dream Girls, Harry Knowles, The Graduate, platonic makeouts, lots of college party talk, and of course, Bilbo Baggins, The Greatest Hobbit of Them All.
Also: Y'all, I cut 15 whole minutes out of this episode, this movie inspired a lot of tangents.
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Transcript
Receiving Life-Changing Music
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Speaker
Emma, put these headphones on real quick, okay? Okay. I want to play you this song. It's going to change your life. Okay.
The Shins and Zach Braff Discussion
00:00:42
Speaker
Wow. Wow. Was that the go get your girl theme as covered by the shins? That's right. Yeah. I had no idea what you were going to say.
00:00:52
Speaker
I'm honestly surprised. Like I expected you to start talking like we're over it, you know? No, I had to, I had to be Zach Braff. I just really gave it its space. Yeah. Yeah. You have to, he doesn't enjoy it. He listens to it for about five seconds and then takes the headphones off immediately. Wow. Which is like, that song is one of the best songs ever. i fucking love The Shins so hard.
00:01:13
Speaker
So, so hard. um That's a great, we'll get into it. That's a great song. I love New Slang by The Shins. It's a great song. It's not changing anyone's life. It's like a fun little folksy indie song. How, how does that change your life? I mean, it changed my life.
00:01:27
Speaker
I did. Did it? I, it opened the door to The Shins. it's Sure, it's not even that, listen, um i have a hot take here. The Shins' net next record, yeah Shoots Too Narrow, is way better oh than No Inverted World. Yeah, Shoots Too Narrow way better.
00:01:44
Speaker
I completely agree. but I have it on pink vinyl. Oh, I love that. um But I still love New Slang. and Yeah, New Slang's a good song.
00:01:56
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Yeah. Anyways. But it's not like it's not like a particularly deep song. You know, it's not like... No. it's like It's up there with... Like, it's fine. Yeah. like It's nice.
00:02:08
Speaker
It's enjoyable song. But it's not like... I'm trying to think of like what is a song that would change your life. Like, I don't know.
Introduction to 'Go Get Your Girl' Podcast
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Speaker
I think it's subjective, just like how we talk about how a film is subjective.
00:02:23
Speaker
So it's just like, if you have ah very like extraordinary experience and New Sling is playing on the background, then that'll change your life. If you have your first boyfriend-girlfriend kiss to um the Postal Service's Such Great Heights in the cul-de-sac in a suburb of Houston, that song will change your life.
00:02:43
Speaker
Not speaking from my experience. Yeah, I guess that's true. But like in the movie, it is presented as static. It's like, listen to the song. It'll change your life. It's not like the context of this song will change, it you know? Yeah, yeah. that That's actually, that's a great segue because guess what, guys?
00:03:00
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You guessed it. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie have some mental issues and also then their mom dies and then they've got to go back to their hometown And they're curious as to what's going on with their brain because their dad's their psychiatrist.
00:03:20
Speaker
And they meet a girl. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't let your dad be your psychiatrist. And they meet a girl. And she, like, kind of changes their life because she's kind of weird and quirky.
00:03:32
Speaker
And we like that. And there we're lesbians in this one. Yes. Fancy. She's weird and quirky and she does weird things. And it's like she brings us out of our shell and she starts.
00:03:43
Speaker
Yeah. The favorite trope of Emma's, which is the manic pixie dream girl. That's right, guys. Oh, sure. Yeah. um Yeah, go ahead.
00:03:55
Speaker
I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. Did we say the name of the podcast? I always feel like black out when you say the name of the podcast. And I think, did we say the name of the podcast? It's Go Get Your Girl.
00:04:08
Speaker
today we're talking about Gardens.
'Garden State' and Misremembered Timelines
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Speaker
Garden State. That was the most Indian thing that. 2004 movie, which 2004, I really thought it was later than that.
00:04:21
Speaker
I thought I was... I had this memory of seeing... It must have been a different movie. i'm i I thought it... I really thought it was something else. Because I thought I saw this with a particular person that I was dating at the time in this particular place, but I hadn't even...
00:04:40
Speaker
met that person in 2004 so there's no way that's true and I've been living a lie yes this whole time that's okay was it Elizabethtown because that's also very similar 500 days summer it was not Elizabethtown listen I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Garden State is a better movie than Elizabethtown I mean I have to hard agree I i've not seen Elizabethtown I think I saw part of it on TBS yeah um Oh, I saw it in the
Exploring the Manic Pixie Dream Girl Trope
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theater. Oh, of course you did.
00:05:12
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ah Well, because I was such a big Jerry Maguire fan.
00:05:17
Speaker
But like, it's like... We're going talk about Jerry Maguire on this podcast. I mean, we're going to have to. It's in the same vein, the same way that like 500 Days of Summer, the same way that like Ruby Sparks. um This is all the same sort of like, I mean, they're in different parts of the 2000s, but they all utilize the Manic Pixie Dream Girl trope.
00:05:37
Speaker
Ruby Sparks. ruby sparks i've got so much to say about ruby sparks like david we're gonna get into it the thing about the thing about this movie and i my my my big take on this movie is that i think it's like i think it's almost halfway maybe even two-thirds of a really good movie yes and then the other third is a fucking embarrassment um Ruby Sparks.
00:06:05
Speaker
Ruby Sparks is very similar because Ruby Sparks is like, oh my God, this movie would be fucking amazing if the last 20 minutes were completely different.
00:06:17
Speaker
Have you seen Ruby Sparks? I've never seen Ruby Sparks. It was on my list. Oh my God. Okay. I know. I'm glad I didn't, I didn't spoil it. mean, know concept of it, but like, um. Ruby Sparks should have been a horror movie. That's my take. Oh, okay.
00:06:32
Speaker
Okay. Well, when we do it, we can, we can do a deep dive. Today we are talking about the OG, the OG Manic Pixie Dream Girl movie. yeah. Garden State. Oh, it's not the OG Manic Pixie.
00:06:46
Speaker
We've covered Manic Pixie Dream Girl movies before. i mean, Almost Famous is is yeah almost famous as the trope namer, right? like Is it? I thought that it was... yeah thought what Okay, let's look this up. Because there's that famous article that came Let's it up.
00:07:00
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That she talks about um garden state she talks about almost famous i want say she talks about marlin fight club um dream girl my first the first thing i've learned is that ah apparently a man came up with a term so oh that's disappointing i thought it was a ah woman nathan rayben observing kirsten dunst character in elizabeth town oh with elizabeth town Yeah, coined the term in his review of, is in 2007, in his review of the 2005 film Elizabeth Town for the AV Club, disgusting Kirsten Dunst character.
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Dunst and Body is a character type I like to call the Manic Pixie Dream Girl, a character who exists solely in the fevered imaginations of a sensitive writer-director to teach broodingly soulful young men to embrace life in its infinite mysteries and adventures.
00:07:47
Speaker
But here's the, the the picture is Catherine Hepburn in Bringing Up Baby. Yeah. Like, Okay. But the thing about Catherine Hepburn is that she's insane in that movie.
00:07:59
Speaker
Like, the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is manic. um Yeah. And that's her, that's that's the thing about her. But Catherine Hepburn is completely deranged in bringing up Baby.
00:08:13
Speaker
They're different. ah Not this day. You cannot, like, yeah. Yeah. uh yeah yeah yeah a year later the av club ran a piece listing 16 characters they defeat they de deemed mpdgs yeah including katherine hepburn and bring it baby goldie hahn and butterflies are free winona rider in autumn in new york yeah um and then the term spread diane keaton any hall audrey hepburn and breakfast at tiffany's yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean i mean
00:08:45
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I wouldn't say, i mean, Audrey Hepburn, I don't think Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany's would would would count because she's not there to to no change
Character Depth and Nerd Culture in the 2000s
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a man. I feel like it's more Audrey Hepburn's movie than it is Natalie Portman's movie.
00:09:01
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Like, this yeah movie is Zach Braff's movie and Natalie Portman exists simply to push his plot forward. And that's the whole point of the McFitsy Dream Girl.
00:09:14
Speaker
Very much so. They're side characters. They're almost accessories um of that sort of early to mid 2000s quirky, twee, goopiness of like, they're into nerdy boys. This is, oh my God, because this takes it full circle, Katie. It takes a full circle because this is bringing it back to the glorification of nerdism in the 2000s. This is when we started putting nerds on a pedestal and being like, look, they sexy now.
00:09:44
Speaker
um Yeah, for sure. one hundred percent And I think you you have to, like, I love to blame things on Harry Knowles because he's just like this horrible little goblin. Yeah.
00:09:59
Speaker
Can you explain who Harry Knowles is?
00:10:03
Speaker
Harry Knowles, for those of you who don't know, was the founder of Ain't It Cool News, which was honestly the first big film website in the 90s. And he it was this...
00:10:18
Speaker
I guess he still is this horrible little, um, I don't know. I don't know if he's little. Um, he seems little, this horrible misogynist nerd boy who had this army of followers.
00:10:33
Speaker
Um, he became really big. He became a, ah a power broker in Hollywood, really. Like he had a film festival. He had all this. He was in Austin and he kind of like big part of um promoting ah movies that came out of South by Southwest, especially um promoting nerd movies, comic book movies, horror movies, the Lord of the Rings.
00:10:55
Speaker
Yeah. All of this stuff was not greenlit because of him, but I think that a lot of people would would agree that but Hollywood knew that they could bank on these movies because of the following that he and his website had.
00:11:12
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Um, If you look at DVD covers from the early 2000s, like blurbs, yeah a lot of them are from Ain't It Cool News or just AICN.
00:11:23
Speaker
ah Oh. Film festival that he started. He was very, very popular. started to wane a little bit after kind of like Web 2.0 explosion in the mid-2000s social media and all of that.
00:11:37
Speaker
And then apparently he did like a bunch of sex crimes and stuff. Yeah. fully And now he's canceled. Yeah. Yes. um So fuck that guy. Yeah. What movie were we watching that he showed up in? We watched a movie on this podcast where there was a Harry Knowles jump scare and we talked about it before. do not remember.
00:11:54
Speaker
I cannot remember. He was that famous. He got parts in movies. yeah Michael Asiello and Harry Knowles are the two film critics that have... That got to show up in movies.
00:12:06
Speaker
All of that started. Lord of the Rings. The Matrix. The X-Men movies. Like all of those started to become mainstream. Like they were huge grossing Oscar winning movies.
00:12:17
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And this is kind of on the tail end of that. And we get. I mean.
Comedic and Poignant Moments in 'Garden State'
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But here's the thing, like he's not a nerd in this movie, really. No, He's just sad. He's just sad. And like kind of he's a little bit more indie, I'd say, because like he's sort of shown against, I don't know, they sort of... Charlie made this sort of um comparison in that everyone that he talks to in New Jersey uses ah slur for a mentally disabled person.
00:12:51
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And... Natalie Portman says it like six times in five seconds. Yeah, she says it like six times in like five seconds. And the only person- The R slur, we should say. yeah The R slur.
00:13:02
Speaker
And um the only person that doesn't use that, because at first were like, woof, this did not age well. The only person that doesn't use that is Zach Braff's character. And Charlie was like, oh- That's true. I think it was a device to sort of show the like sort of provincialness of these people in New Jersey- Oh,
00:13:22
Speaker
100% yeah versus like how he moved to LA and like he's knowledge yeah 100% and it's the whole like everyone who talks to him is like oh what is the the ah Michael Weston is the the cop and he's like oh i got I got so many great ideas for movies we gotta talk sometimes he's like yeah definitely we should do that that's as a theater person like that's everyone you talk to who's not a theater person yeah who's just like everywhere like I tell people Yeah. I tell people I'm a playwright and I go, oh man, well, I got to tell you some stories. You got you could write a play about this. I'm like, I'm not going to write a play about that.
00:13:58
Speaker
I'm not to write a play about that. But yeah. um Also great in that scene. It hasn't aged, but also has aged um to be still reflective of society today um when he gets pulled over by his friend from high school who's a cop and he um is like oh you became a cop last time i saw you you were doing lines off of like a urinal and he goes yeah i had to get my shit together you know and they just let anybody he goes he goes he puts his fingers in his ears going la la la la
00:14:31
Speaker
He goes, yeah, they gave me Yes. Which is accurate. Yeah. There's a lot of things in this movie. I think there's a lot of really funny things in this movie. I think there's a lot of poignant things in this movie. Absolutely.
00:14:43
Speaker
um But a lot of it is is, and then a lot of it doesn't really come together. Because so the way this movie was was written was kind of i the antithesis what we just said like a lot of stories from people that he knew yeah he put in this movie and i think that i'm sure he changed some of the things but like the little vignettes the little the little moments the little weird things in here those are all the things that work really really well and the main plot is what doesn't yeah which is a shame yeah which is and i think that like
00:15:18
Speaker
I think that maybe if he had written this a few years later, if he had had, you know, a co-screenwriter or something like that, I think maybe this could have been ah been a few drafts away from something really special yeah and really beautiful.
Critique of Natalie Portman's Role
00:15:35
Speaker
Oh, I agree. Because as it is, there's there's like fleeting moments of something like of profundity or or beauty or or something that just kind of gets...
00:15:46
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uh gets lost in the really kind of amateurish um like rom-com plot really yeah like unfortunately natalie portman is kind of like the worst part of the movie Yeah, I know. And she, you, you would hate that.
00:16:02
Speaker
I hate that because yes she's yeah so fabulous in it, but like, she is the worst part. Yeah. I will say. And part of that's the, most of that is the writing, but also part of it is, is her. Like, really she's not, I don't think she's very good in this movie. And I think that I love Natalie Portman. I think she's great in lots of other things, but like.
00:16:24
Speaker
it's i don't know and maybe it's just it's been so it's been years of of having this kind of character done and redone and million times and this is like so much of it is the part the part where she's like you got to do something that no one's ever done before i'm and and um i'm like i can't even look at this it's so embarrassing like this awful
00:16:49
Speaker
Um, I disagree. I think she's great in this. I don't think she's the best part of the film, but I do think that Natalie Portman does a great job with the character. um One thing that I was sort of left with at the end of this movie um that I realized, because I haven't seen this movie in years.
00:17:05
Speaker
This is one of Charlie's favorite movies. Every year on his birthday, he goes, can we watch Garden State? And I go, oh man, that's such a downer. and wow, I have not seen it since.
00:17:18
Speaker
I think I got it on DVD when it came out. And then i probably watched it at least once on DVD. And I think that's the last time. I don't think I've watched this movie in like. almost 20 years.
00:17:29
Speaker
Really? i think it's been 10. It's been 10 for me. It's definitely been like around 10. I think we, Charlie and I watched it together as a couple because he loves this movie so much. um But like, i i just haven't seen it since then because it you do have to be in a special like state of mind to watch this.
00:17:46
Speaker
um yeah It's not, it's not like a fluffy rom-com, put it on the background to feel good kind of movie. It's definitely a nostalgic, if you want to remember what the 2000s felt like, movie.
00:18:00
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um And like, what being that age felt
Comparisons to 'The Graduate'
00:18:04
Speaker
like. Yes! It does a really good job of like, there's there's so many movies made about this, and this movie got compared to The Graduate a lot when it came out.
00:18:13
Speaker
um We'll talk about The Graduate in a second. But the... the It does a really good job of capturing that aimlessness that so many 20-something writers want to write about and have made movies about.
00:18:29
Speaker
And there are moments of this that do it better than almost anything else. Yeah. However... But only moments. Only moments. Exactly. At the end of this movie, though, I had this sort of realization where it's just sort of like the way that it ends...
00:18:46
Speaker
And the way that things sort of come together, and I don't know if it's just sort of like Zach Braff's maturity or that I was in a different place in my 20s, but like it just felt like it should have, they're supposed to be in their early twenty s right?
00:18:59
Speaker
It just, it didn't feel like- says that he's 26. Okay. It felt like a later, like an end of your 20s, early 30s movie. Like it felt more like that that's the story, that's the trajectory. It would have worked better if you aged everybody up.
00:19:16
Speaker
Because it being so young, like I just, there was something that was lost to me. It just didn't feel as genuine. But again, like that's my circumstances putting my sort of filter on. i think a lot of us are like that though because these people are elder millennials yeah like zach braff and natalie portman are still millennials they're just well i don't i think zach braff might be technically gen x but he's playing younger than he is in this movie a little bit i think they are and natalie portman's a little young um I don't know how old she's supposed to be. She is supposed to be younger than him, but I think she's also supposed to be a little bit older than she actually was when she filmed this. I think she's supposed to be like 23.
00:19:57
Speaker
She's like 23, 24, I think. yeah Yeah, I think so too. um But like I think part of that, like that generation that's a generational shift. like This is 20 years ago. yeah like I think people, i think we as people just a little bit younger than these people Like, I think we're like 10 years younger than Zach Graff, you know?
Generational Shifts and Nostalgia
00:20:18
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um I'm not 100% how old he is, but based on Scrubs. ah Based on Scrubs. I, yeah, I think that, um
00:20:29
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I think that they had these kind of experiences early in their twenty s yeah And because of the way the world works and the the way the world has changed, we had them a little bit later. And I think that Gen z I think Gen Z is having them even later than us. Yeah. Like, I think all that stuff is getting delayed.
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah. Because everything sucks and it's terrible. But we talked about that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Arrested Development in general. i mean, we talk about that a lot on this show. Like, that's just kind of...
00:20:57
Speaker
things that have happened over the course of the last 50 years yeah because like the one thing that like really resonated with me was they'll say a lot about my high school and early college days was the party scene like that they got what going to a party in 2004 felt like big time you could have very accurate and i was just like oh my god That is very much like house parties I went to yeah in college, mostly, um more than high school, just because... It was both for me.
00:21:30
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Yeah, well, when we've had this conversation before.
00:21:36
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Because of the people that I knew and that I hung out with. Yeah. yeah i That being said, I mean, like, we played spin the bottle well into college. Yeah. We definitely played spin the bottle in college.
00:21:49
Speaker
I don't think we played Spin the Bottle I think we just sort of like I remember my friend Robert and I, um, Robert Meza, um, who should be a listener because he's my best friend and was my man of honor. And I love him very much.
00:22:02
Speaker
Um, future guest, future guest, Robert Meza, sorry, Robert Archer. He took his husband's name. Um, and, uh, he and I, I remember several parties where we would just, we would get drunk and we'd look at each other and we're like we're bored and we want to make out with boys, but no boys want to make out with us.
00:22:19
Speaker
You want to make out. And so, Oh, for sure. yeah Yeah. That was it. Listen, Emma, I... This is going to sound weird.
00:22:30
Speaker
I think you may be my closest friend that I've never made out with. Oh my God. Should I offended? What's wrong with my mouth?
00:22:41
Speaker
We just became friends later on. it. I get it. And Charlie, Charlie wouldn't but like it.
00:22:49
Speaker
In, in, but yeah, in, in college, like platonic makeouts. Yeah. All the time. Everyone. yeah and Everyone i knew. Yeah. Love a good man. Boys, girls, it doesn't matter. Yeah.
00:23:02
Speaker
It's a fun time. You got to do something. You don't want to play board games. You don't want to play never, ever, ever. You don't want to play spin the bottle because you got to cut to the chase. Make out. Yeah. And sometimes like you do it for a little bit and then you like can't keep from laughing and yeah like that's it. Yeah, exactly. And never goes any further than that. No. I mean like some people do, I guess. Yeah. Some people have platonic sex and good for them. Yeah. But, you know.
00:23:27
Speaker
Whatever. You know, live your life. I just a text message from Charlie that says, what don't I like? And I'm going to say, me and Emma making out and then not explaining anything else.
00:23:40
Speaker
One of my favorite things about convincing new listeners to listen to our podcast has been, um, because Blair, who is the dramaturg of the show, the ferryman that I'm working on. Shout out Blair.
00:23:53
Speaker
Shout out Blair. They're great. Um,
00:23:59
Speaker
uh well they were telling me that like they they started listening to the princess bride episode that was their like dive into it and oh that's a that's a weird one yeah it's a weird one and they were like there's lore there's lore like that you just sort of rat on your husband and you can tell that you love him but like there's podcast lore and i was like yeah oh yeah You gotta, you gotta know. recommend that everyone starts from the beginning and listens to all 70 episodes. You gotta like find your flow. gotta, you gotta experience how we discovered the podcast as we're discovering it.
00:24:37
Speaker
Yeah. Start listening where Emma was recording in her parents' basement. Oh God, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Can you believe with that? Was the first episode in your parents' basement or was that still in your house?
00:24:50
Speaker
No, no. It was in we came up with the concept when I still had the condo. But by that point, we Charlie and I were like, we're going buy a house in Chicago. And that didn't work out. um So it was in my parents' basement.
00:25:05
Speaker
And, uh, yeah, at my mom's, like, well, now it's my dad's sewing area, because he got into sewing because of me, which is very sweet. Oh my god. Yes. That's so sweet. I mean, he mainly makes stuff for boats, but he- he And he hems his own pay up. MS dad, andma dad, the Commodore. commodore My dad is like the most square, most vanilla guy you'll ever meet in your entire life.
00:25:31
Speaker
He is like, he's very much if there was a ah person who was like neutral, who was just Switzerland on everything. um That would be my dad.
00:25:43
Speaker
ah he He's a very, very sweet may man who who loves sailing, um and he loves dogs, and he loves L.L. Bean.
00:25:57
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. And he loves James Bond. And yeah, honestly, the car, I think, I think calling him the Commodore really covers all of that. Like when you say yeah my dad is the Commodore, like, I think we all get that.
00:26:10
Speaker
you know He was the Commodore of the Lake Bluff Yacht Club for um several years, but he stepped out and he says that he was only the Commodore because nobody else wanted to do it. um Right, yeah.
00:26:21
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but My dad was president of the Optimist Club in Kingsport, Tennessee, and much the same thing, from what I understand. Nobody else wanted to do it. ah This movie talks a lot about um mental illness and whether diagnosed properly or improperly and over-medication.
Surreal Elements and Personal Exploration
00:26:43
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um ah There's a lot of that. like Basically, Zach Braff... goes home, he finds out he's working as an actor in LA, an unemployed actor at a very racist restaurant.
00:26:56
Speaker
We've, we've already gone too fast. Slow down. Okay. Buckle up everybody. This is going to be a long one. Like there's so much to talk about. so much to talk about. I think the beginning, I really liked the beginning of this movie. Yes. um The beginning of the movie and the trailer, like the trailer for this movie is so fucking good.
00:27:17
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It was to Fru's song, Let Go, which plays at the end of the movie. um is I was obsessed with this trailer. When this trailer came out, I was like watching it on like Yahoo trailers or whatever over and over. I'm like, yeah this is going to be the best movie I've ever seen.
00:27:35
Speaker
I'm so excited. I love Scrubs. I'm so into this movie. And when I saw the movie, even though I was you know a child ah what like still kind of disappointed because I think I had built up the trailer so much that it was impossible for me to like yeah well it's just also feels like this movie does too much It tries to do too much. It tries to do too much. We'll get there. Yeah.
00:28:02
Speaker
The beginning of this movie, much like the trailer, is kind of this, and the whole movie does this for a while. And I think the movie is at its most successful when it is doing this, is at this remove. Like it is putting you in the position of this person who has been numb for so long and is not an active participant in life he is things are happening around him he has no interiority um and that's illustrated in this kind of almost like symbolist opening like i love when movies aren't afraid to not be realistic especially like overly realistic movies because like you can do like a david lynch thing
00:28:46
Speaker
Um, where there's just long sections of things that aren aren't realistic or things that are, you know, symbolic or surreal or whatever yeah and have meaning or don't have meaning and are meant to create mood or something like that. But things that are, um i I, am not a firm believer in like, everything has to make sense all the time. Right. Or everything has to be a hundred percent naturalistic. Like, why did this happen? Like, what is like, I don't understand this.
00:29:13
Speaker
It doesn't matter. It's just part of it. You know, like. And that's I think that comes from the theater because things in in plays don't have to be that. And in a movie, a lot of times there's there's a ah there's a natural inclination for things to be 100% realistic and explained all the time.
00:29:31
Speaker
Yeah. But there's this this opening where obviously these things aren't 100% realistic. He opens his medicine cabinet and there's just hundreds of different prescriptions of pills.
00:29:42
Speaker
So many pills. And that's not... And that's not real. Like, he obviously doesn't have that, but it seems that way. It's it's a little bit of expressionism, right? yeah Yeah. The opening with him in the crashing plane, you know? Like, everything is, like, all the people are panicking, and he just turns the air conditioner on him and and feels that. And, like, is he really in a plane?
00:30:02
Speaker
No. No. We don't need to explain any of that. Yeah. And I think... Part of the problem comes as the movie goes on, things get more and more and more explained. Yeah.
00:30:14
Speaker
um But we'll come back to that later. Yeah. He yeah he works in a restaurant that doesn't exist. Yep. Like, that's not real. Yeah. yeah But it feels this way. We'll talk about Joe vs. the Alt Volcano at some point, which is a truly expressionist rom-com, which...
00:30:30
Speaker
Such a disaster, but um neither here nor there. But only in something like that. that That is really the closest analog to a a rom-com movie that does something like that that I can think of.
00:30:42
Speaker
um Yes, it's a very racist um Vietnamese restaurant, he says, where the waiters are wearing like the rice paddy hats and carrying water.
00:30:55
Speaker
he has to wear eyeliner. Yeah. yeah George C. Wolfe is the manager there. It's so weird. Did you recognize him? I did not recognize George C. Wolfe.
00:31:07
Speaker
But also, Charlie was like, um why why is he like using a headshot for a waiter's resume? And like, it's LA, baby! Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. um It is... George Seawolf, for those of you who know, is a famous ah playwright and director and occasional actor. Mostly he's famous for...
00:31:29
Speaker
ah developing a lot of of queer theater in New York. He was the artistic director of the public theater for a long time. he think he directed the original production of Angels in America, I want to say.
00:31:40
Speaker
Lots of stuff like that. Very, very famous. um Mostly as ah as a director. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love Angels in America. We will not be doing that on this pod. Oh God, we should. We should do a special on Angels in America. know.
00:31:54
Speaker
Fucking love Angels in America so much. um But yeah.
00:32:00
Speaker
Uh, so that's the beginning. He like, he's, he's made up in a bed, like up to his neck with the sheets all tucked in. I'm like, that's physically impossible. Exactly. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's, that's, that's how we're introduced to the movie. Exactly. And every time they kind of go back to something like that, that's the part I love about this movie. Yeah. And the, the, the more traditional rom-com parts I think are, are not very successful.
00:32:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, that's understandable. Um, Yeah, so we we meet our main character, um and who is Zach Braff, and he... Andrew Largeman. Largeman.
00:32:43
Speaker
The unlikely name of Andrew Largeman. What a name. Everyone calls him Large. Yeah, Large. Which, for the longest time, I thought they were saying Barge.
00:32:54
Speaker
His name is Bargeman. But it's Largeman. Large. It is, yeah.
Title Significance and Family Dynamics
00:33:00
Speaker
Well, the original title of this movie was Large's Ark. Oh, yeah. and there and And they talked him out of that because that's the worst name for a movie that anyone's ever come up with. Yeah, no one's going to be like, oh, my god do you remember Large's Ark?
00:33:12
Speaker
That's so hard to say. Large's Ark. Large's Ark. It doesn't mean anything. I mean, like, yes, there's a reference to, like, an ark at the end of the movie. and But, like, that's stupid.
00:33:25
Speaker
It's not his ark. Yeah. I mean, Garden State is not a great title for this movie either. Like, but the relevant. Well, I mean, do you know why it's called Garden State? Because it takes place in New Jersey.
00:33:39
Speaker
Well, only partially. It's a quote from let me see here from a poem. the it's a poem It's a quote from the poem by Andrew Mar- Oh, the poem. It's a quote from The Garden by Andrew Marvell, or Marvell. Such was that happy garden state where man there walked without a mate.
00:34:01
Speaker
And so the idea is that, like, this Garden of Eden state, like, this kind of before, like, he like, a woman has to complete him is the point of it.
00:34:13
Speaker
yeah super great love that which sucks so bad and that was like yeah of course Katie's fun facts of course you named it after a 17th century poem about misogyny yeah Jesus fucking Christ Zach Braff uh Andrew Largeman gets a phone call from his dad who he has not talked to in 10 years Um, and he... I think, has he not talked to his dad in that amount of time? He says that they haven't talked. Surely he has. He makes, like, some sort of reference about how they haven't talked.
00:34:48
Speaker
I know he hadn't been back to Jersey in, since he went got sent away for boarding school, but I assume he would have had to have talked to his dad. Right? Well, his dad says that they haven't talked.
00:34:59
Speaker
He makes some sort of reference. His dad, who is Frodo Baggins. Yeah. Ian Holm. Yeah. ah Bilbo Baggins. Sorry, Bilbo. Bilbo Baggins. Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins, the greatest habit of them all.
00:35:15
Speaker
There's a song. What?
00:35:22
Speaker
Is that from the cartoon? um No, it's from a 70s or 80s or 60s. I don't know. I can't remember. ah Who is it that played Spock?
00:35:38
Speaker
Leonard Nimoy. Leonard Nimoy had a song. For those of you listening at home, Emma just looked at me and goes, who played Spock? And did her hand in the the Spock hand thing at the same time.
00:35:54
Speaker
Leonard Nimoy had a song about Bilbo Baggins. And when I was in middle school, my friend Hillary was obsessed with it.
00:36:04
Speaker
And so we memorized, along with the opening to Les Mis, we memorized all of the Bilbo Baggins songs. So anytime I hear Bilbo Baggins in the back of my head, I go, Bilbo, Bilbo, Bilbo Baggins, greatest hobbit of them all.
00:36:19
Speaker
ah Which is from the song. Sure, yeah. Anyways.
00:36:25
Speaker
Anyways. You know, we started this episode really on task. We really did. We were right into Garden State. I can't help it if Bilbo Baggins is Zach Braff's dad in this.
00:36:37
Speaker
That's true. That's true. You're right. um Ian Holm, also Ash from Alien, you know? Yeah. No, he's Bilbo. Okay.
00:36:48
Speaker
Okay. um He is his dad. He calls him to tell... We are one minute into this movie. Yes, I know. We're at 46 minutes of a podcast. He calls him to tell them that his his his mom has died. He says she was in the bath... She died last night. Yes. She was sit in the bath and she drowned.
00:37:06
Speaker
Jesus. Yeah.
Humor and Character Connections
00:37:08
Speaker
He goes home. Like, that's the point. Like, yeah, he goes home. We don't need to go beat by beat. Yeah, exactly. He goes home. He goes to the funeral. Jackie Hoffman is there. yeah Singing three times a lady at the funeral.
00:37:20
Speaker
And like the tone of this movie, I think a lot of the tone of this movie is very successful because it is this kind of, it is a, it is a, it's a rom-com drama. Yeah. There are comedy many comedy dressing moments of, of absurdity in tragedy that are, it's very real. Like it's something that is, is something that like happens to everybody. Like there are moments of bizarre, like comedy in tragedy. Exactly. Yeah.
00:37:50
Speaker
Some would say that there's beauty in the breakdown. Oh, so let go. Let go. Yeah. um At the funeral, he sees Peter Sarsgaard and some other guy are working at the funeral home. They're digging graves. yeah They've got the little grave digger machine.
00:38:11
Speaker
And he's like, hey, I haven't seen you in forever. What's up? And he's like, hey, and they're friends. Yeah. and he's like, why are you here? And he's like, you just buried my mom. Yeah. It's like, my mom died.
00:38:22
Speaker
Yeah. a Bummer. um It's like, hey, come hang out with us. And he's like, okay. And so his dad is like, we need to talk. And throughout the whole movie, he keeps putting his dad off the conversation he needs to have with his dad.
00:38:33
Speaker
Yeah. And is hanging out with his friends. And he, they go to this party, which we have kind of alluded to which is, yeah, they do Molly. Yeah. They play spit in the bottle.
00:38:44
Speaker
Yeah. Seems like a fun time. It's a fun time. It's a good time. um And then he wakes up the next day and We get probably one of my favorite moments in this movie. um it's It's one of the best scenes in the movie. It's really, really funny. And the the energy in it, Peter Sarsgaard is so good in it.
00:39:05
Speaker
Yes. There are also so many celebrity people who pop up in this movie. It's like, I did not remember that person was in this movie. George C. Wolfe is the first one. Yes. And Sheldon is the second.
00:39:16
Speaker
And Gene Smart. Yeah, well, no no, Gene Smart, because you don't you don't see him at first. So he wakes up on a couch. Balls is written on his forehead. ha!
00:39:26
Speaker
And there's a knight in full armor holding a jug of milk. And this this is one of those images from the trailer that I was like, what the fuck is this movie about? Because the trailer just has a bunch of these like weird little things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is one of those stories that somebody told him that he put in ah in the screenplay. It's like he was at a party and he woke up one time and he had to have he had to have breakfast with his friend, his friend's mom, and And their high school classmate that his friend's mom had fucked the night before.
00:39:59
Speaker
So that is what happens here. That is what happens. So here Starsgaard is there. they're at They're at his house. Yes. Jean Smart is his mom. And Jim Parsons is the knight who works at Medieval Times who who fucked Jean Smart the night before.
00:40:13
Speaker
Yes. But like, my one question about that is that they wouldn't let you take home your uniform. You've got to leave. Why would he be wearing the armor?
00:40:23
Speaker
Why? Why would he have the helmet on in the kitchen? He's making cereal. He puts the helmet on. Like, did they? hold Well, hold on. Here's the other. here's I didn't think about this. Did they have sex with the armor on? Oh, absolutely. I think that's why he brought it home. That was part of it. Yeah. That's the that's the implication. yeah Yeah. She wanted to have sex with him with the armor.
00:40:43
Speaker
Honestly, i get it. Yeah. Everybody's got that sort of knight in shining armor fantasy, right? Well, yeah. It's kind of a whole thing. I mean, I don't know about literal, I don't know as many people literally want to do that, but I mean, it never occurred to me until now, but... would lot of a hassle to take all of that off. you'd Well, I think, I mean, armor is modular, right? So you would just have to take off the, like, the crotch bit, right? But, like, that seems uncomfortable and cold.
00:41:13
Speaker
For him? Or for you? For me.
00:41:17
Speaker
Well, I mean... i'm I'm thinking about logistics here. There's pinching, I feel. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine like it would be, how explicit are we going to get? I don't know.
00:41:30
Speaker
We just talked about how a 13 year old wants to listen to this podcast. And I was like, We didn't talk about that on podcast. We talked about that before we recorded. um It depends on the position, I suppose.
00:41:44
Speaker
I guess. Yeah, I guess. I mean, like, in my mind, you're on top, obviously. i mean, there's weight. Well, that's that's the first thing I thought of. Yeah, there's too much weight. It's the, it's the, it's the come down, you know, that's going to be yeah uncomfortable.
00:41:56
Speaker
Anyways, so we get this really great scene where that's super awkward with the four of them. um And Zach Braff is like, oh, fuck, I forgot I have a neurologist appointment that I have to go to because I've been getting these weird headaches.
00:42:10
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, right. You find out earlier that his dad is a psychiatrist who's been prescribing him all these pills. And yeah he tells his dad, I've gone off of them. And he says, well, that's not a great idea. And he says, been having these weird tiny little headaches. And he says, oh, I'll get you ah get you ah an appointment with a neurologist.
00:42:27
Speaker
Yes. He's in my building. Yes. He leaves that. Wait. Don't they do something else first? Nope. yeah my he goes okay He goes from that to the neuron. oh that's right. Yeah, yeah. And to the yeah and Jim Parsons just goes, by the way, you have balls written on your forehead.
00:42:48
Speaker
There's a lot of really great buttons to scenes in this. Yes. Jim Parsons is so good in this movie. jim parsons is great jim parsons i love i mean it's a shame that big bang theory is one of the worst things ever made uh in this world because jim parsons is a treasure he is a treasure he's fabulous yeah um gene smart also gene smart so fucking funny in this funny um oh that's what the scene is they weird dynamic oh that's right yeah yeah yeah they have this weird dynamic where like she's proud of both her son and the man the boy her son the man her son's age that she's been sleeping with and she's like defending them at the same time while they're kind of sniping at each other
00:43:38
Speaker
it's it's It's very fun. Jean Smart, another treasure. Absolutely. Love Jean Smart. Absolutely. brilliant um She, and then they have they have this ah conversation where she's trying to get Peter Sarsgaard into real
Returning Home and Character Motivations
00:43:52
Speaker
estate.
00:43:52
Speaker
But it's like a pyramid scheme, right? It's definitely, i don't know if it's necessarily a pyramid scheme, but it's definitely a scam of some kind. Yeah, we yeah, yeah. You pay these people to give you these tapes about how to become a good realtor or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:44:06
Speaker
And he's just got this almost comatose cat in his lap the whole time while they're smoking weed on either side of him. um It's, yeah, it's it's it's really good. Like, moments like that are like, that is what being home after being away is like. Yeah.
00:44:24
Speaker
Oh, for sure. Like, these people who haven't moved on from the people you knew when you were ah teenager the people whose lives have kind of gone in weird directions or cul-de-sacs and this movie i think does a fairly good job of not being too condescending to those people yeah i think that's um um A lot of other movies fall on that trap where it's like, this person is better than these people. yeah um But he's not because he's really fucked up.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. i mean, Zach Braff is not the pinnacle of like goodness or rightness in this film. Like there' is there's, there's really no, I mean, if anything, the defense to be made is for Natalie Portman, but she is a pathological liar.
00:45:14
Speaker
yeah. her life's a mess denis o'hare is the person who has his life together like that's the that's the the climax of the movie yeah yeah i forgot it was denis o'hare i did too i squeaked i screamed when he came on screen i did too was like oh here's the thing i when i saw this movie for the first time and probably the last time i didn't know who denis o'hare was yes true blood hadn't come out that's that's right Every millennial entrance into Dennis O'Hare.
00:45:44
Speaker
um But yeah, anyway, so he has to go to the neurologist and he goes to the neurologist and that's where we get our meet cute with Natalie Portman.
00:45:55
Speaker
Yeah, this is a very standard meet cute. Like, it's cute. Yeah. um a very badly behaved um seeing eye dog starts Humping his leg in the, uh, in the, the waiting room. And she teases him about it. Yep.
00:46:14
Speaker
Um, i mean, to be fair, says, yeah, he got, he does not do a good job in shooing the dog. Well, no, because he doesn't do anything. Like, that's the thing. Like, he he he does, he can't take action. Like, yes it's, and it's it's, again, it's part of the things. It's like, it's hard to watch such a passive protagonist. Yeah. um But that's kind of what it's about.
00:46:34
Speaker
um I was was about to compare it to Hamlet, but that would be, that would be insane. Ah! Ah! Ah! I mean, now my brain is going.
00:46:46
Speaker
Well. They're both, I mean, they're both people who have who can't act, right? They can't yeah do the thing that they know that they need to do. ya Yeah, yeah, yeah. And feel numbed by a series of events involving the death of their mother. So in those ways, and in almost no other ways, they're they're similar.
00:47:05
Speaker
Well, except it's Hamlet's father. No, father, father, yeah. and The death of a parent. Death of a parent. Yes, death of a parent. And I guess you technically could say Ophelia is a manic pixie dream girl.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah. You could absolutely... Well, we found on the first one. It was Ophelia. Yeah.
00:47:29
Speaker
um Jesus fucking Christ. ah they um they They have a a nice little cute conversation. She tells him she's going to change his life by listening to New Slang by the Shins. Love that. um he the But yeah, he puts the headphones on and for like five seconds it's like...
00:47:50
Speaker
And then he just takes him up and goes, yeah, it's nice. Yeah. ah Just like, dude, you didn't think we did the best part. She lies to him. She says that she's there to meet a friend. And then the the nurse, you know, says, we'll see you in a second. So he knows that she lied. Yep.
00:48:03
Speaker
He goes in and talks to Ron Liebman, is the um Jessica Walters husband. Ron Liebman is the neurologist who has this like very kind of frank conversation with him explaining like.
00:48:19
Speaker
um Your dad shouldn't be your psychiatrist. Yeah, you've been on lithium since you were 10 years old. No wonder you feel numb. Yeah, um you should not be on this many meds. It is. Yeah. And he tells him that he's he's um but he's on um lithium, Celexa, Paxil, Debeco, like all of this stuff at once is like, yeah seems pretty irresponsible. Yeah.
00:48:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But you find out sort of later as to why his dad is just sort of forcing all these meds on him. It's. Oh, for sure. Yeah. For sure. He's not being a good psychiatrist. I don't know. I don't think that would hold up in a court of law. It wouldn't. It would absolutely not. But they they sort of, they try to halfway justify They do. They do. Yes. Yes.
00:48:59
Speaker
um And he ah tells him that he's got to get ah a therapy. He's got to get it into therapy. And like, that's one of the things about this movie, because there is such a, there's so many movies where the protagonist is like, I'm not taking these pills anymore. They make me feel numb.
00:49:16
Speaker
And but I'm going to live and do everything like on my own. I'm going to raw dog reality. And don't, no matter that I'm bipolar, I don't need these pills. Yeah. And this movie, in retro in in my memory, it was ah an example of that. But that is not actually what this movie is about.
00:49:34
Speaker
And they go to links to point out that that is not what's happening here. Yes. Which was refreshing. Yeah. It's really nice to see. He's telling him that, you know, maybe you do need some of these pills, but we don't know which ones. And you haven't been doing this properly. And your dad has but committed criminal mount medical malpractice. Yeah. He knows better. Yeah.
00:49:57
Speaker
By giving you all these pills since you were a child. Yeah. um There's, you know, it it isn't it isn't saying that the pills aren't necessary. It's saying that these pills may not be necessary for him. And we don't know.
00:50:10
Speaker
Exactly. Until somebody has to get in therapy. Needs a proper therapist. Yeah. um was surprising to me. I did not think that that was... I did not remember that that was what happened in this movie. Yeah, neither did I. They give him an MRI, and in the MRI thing, the rest of his body is just covered in... was strong. Like, you passed out the party graffiti. Yeah, exactly.
Cultural Impact and Soundtrack Resonance
00:50:33
Speaker
you You ever get written on at a party, Emma? ah No, actually. I can i can safely say I've never been written on at a party. Have you? Yeah. um Big time, yeah.
00:50:43
Speaker
Um... he big time we had some we had some real rascal friends um you know who likes to write on passed out people at parties or at least did in college caitlin does not surprise me does not surprise me at all no that shouldn't surprise anybody who knows her she's a real goblin um love her yeah we had there were there were a series of parties where writing on someone if they passed out was kind of like the the rule at the party you know like if you passed out
00:51:15
Speaker
They were going to write on you. Yeah. yeah Like I've witnessed it before, but I always stayed up. Yeah. I was never the last one to pass out. but So you can hang. um Some of us are sleepy, you know.
00:51:27
Speaker
But here's the thing about Caitlin is that Caitlin is also super sleepy and would would would pat would would be the first one to pass out a lot. So there were, she got written on just as much as she wrote on other people. Yeah. In fact, there's ah there's a picture i have on,
00:51:42
Speaker
it was on facebook we were all monsters then we would go to a party get super fucked up take a bunch of pictures and then post them on facebook the next day and a whole album and make albums and the album was called like i played ass drums with joel or or like like ah wild times on thanksgiving break Yes, exactly.
00:52:10
Speaker
um and you can make Facebook groups were different then. Like i had a friend. We won't name him. But his initials were E.E. And when he got drunk, he would, I mean, everybody knows someone like this would fuck off.
00:52:24
Speaker
Yeah. He would just run away. He would go to the bathroom, go out the goddamn window and run into the, and I went to college in the middle of the woods, y'all. Like this was not a city.
00:52:35
Speaker
um So we made a Facebook group group called the EE search and rescue team, which was people who
00:52:43
Speaker
Would have to go and find his ass after he got drunk and ran away. Jesus Christ. And I deleted my Facebook five or six years ago. But when I did, i noticed that that group was still there.
00:52:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:58
Speaker
Oh, boy. Boy, oh, boy. Yeah, body writing ah at parties. I don't know if people... Do the kids still do that? don't know. Do the kids still write balls on someone's forehead when they fall asleep at a party?
00:53:11
Speaker
I mean, you have to assume, but maybe they just sort of Probably. Because, like, they'll put it on TikTok. Yeah, that's true. Right? Man, look at this. TikTok. Yeah, probably.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah. I'm not really on teenager TikTok. Neither am on TikTok at all. There's lots to talk about. Exactly. Exactly. you know, ah there's this is like a quintessential film from our our youth. And it has sort of like this pinnacle.
00:53:39
Speaker
Like milestone for so many millennials, like it's 100 percent. Yeah, it's an important movie. It is like The Graduate in that respect. um Yeah. It's hard to, come I think The Graduate is a better movie for sure. and The Graduate also did a lot of this stuff earlier, but you know, super iconic soundtrack. Yeah. um The ending is very similar. The whole mood is very similar. The one thing that I think um the big difference is that I think large large, I think Zach Graff in this movie is more likable than what's his name in the graduate because he's such a piece of shit.
00:54:21
Speaker
Um, um, fucking well, I mean not Dustin Hoffman, but the character, you know, Dustin Hoffman I think is, is widely agreed to be a problem. Um, but, um, but his character But his character is is so unlikable in The Graduate and such a little fucking dweeb.
00:54:43
Speaker
Yeah. um But there there is a lot. ah there There are a lot of similarities between between the two of them. But yeah, the the the soundtrack thing. like Yeah, I think the Garden State soundtrack is our generation's The Graduate soundtrack.
00:54:55
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's like a super important piece. ah like movie that so many people could like relate to and was completely different at at least at the time from other movies that were coming out but like also held this sort of like this vibe and this theme that then went were was in media in like movies and tv after that to where you watch something like garden state and you're like oh yeah i'm back in 2005 100 100 the oc is is similar and
00:55:28
Speaker
oh yeah i don't the oc came out the same year i think i think so yeah same time yeah yeah um because orange sky is in the movie but not on the soundtrack and i looked it up and it's because the oc had it and they couldn't on the on the physical release of the soundtrack but alexi murdoch's orange sky is from the oc soundtrack and is in this movie but not in the soundtrack As astute listeners of the pod will know, Emma and then Katie fucking love the OC.
00:56:02
Speaker
One day we'll launch our companion podcast. um Don't know what we'll call it. Don't know what we'll call it. Yeah. Because neither of us live in a place. but What would we call it? The sea?
00:56:12
Speaker
Or Chicago? or
00:56:17
Speaker
We'll come up with something. Yeah. The LC for Lake County. Oh, no, wait, Cook County. The CC for Cook County.
00:56:28
Speaker
But you don't live in Chicago anymore. I know, I don't. You'd have to move. You'd have to move back. You'd have to obviously. Yeah, yeah. um yes So, and then he ah confronts her about lying. And she, one of my favorite lines is, ah people call me a lot of things. And he goes, is one of them liar?
00:56:45
Speaker
um Just really love that exchange. Yes. He's like, he's going to drive her home. And then she says, I'm not sitting in the sidecar because the sidecars are for bitches. yeah um And so she's riding the motorcycle with him. And she at first lies and says that her boyfriend was coming to pick her up and then says she doesn't have a boyfriend.
00:57:04
Speaker
And she he goes, do you want to come to this? To my friend. He bought this mansion and he wants me to come hang out, but I don't want to stay there very long. So maybe we could have this signal where you pull on your ear And that means I, oh, I can say, oh, I got to take her home. I got to go.
00:57:20
Speaker
Yeah. Smash cut to this guy who, I don't know who this guy is, but he's fucking great. Um, I don't recognize that actor. I didn't look him up. So I don't know. Maybe, maybe he's another stuff, but he's the guy who made the sign with Velcro, which we were talking about before him was computer crashed.
00:57:36
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Yep. Um,
00:57:39
Speaker
and he's made a ton of money and he's spent it all on this stuff cuts smash cut to him standing in front of a mansion yeah with a bow and arrow with the arrows on fire he shoots it into the air and then natalie portman and zach brav and he all like they all have to run around trying to dodge the arrow as it comes down The arrow lands directly at Natalie Portman's feet and she just looks over at him and pulls her ear, which is that scene.
00:58:10
Speaker
Like if the whole movie had been like that, yeah I think it would have been so much more successful. The main thing, and this goes back to The Graduate, the big difference between The Graduate and this movie is that there is so much in The Graduate that is unsaid, but felt.
00:58:28
Speaker
Yeah. Like, We don't need to hear him monologue about all this stuff. Yeah. We don't need to hear it. This movie talks too much.
00:58:39
Speaker
Yeah. Right. I agree. We can get this sense of alienation. We can get this sense of of of law of of um being lost amid the tragedy and and moving into your you know adult life when you never really had a childhood. We can get all of that without having to endlessly talk about it. And this movie can't resist the urge to talk about it.
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah, which, you know, is... the is Partially because this is the first movie that Zach Braff wrote and very amateur screenwriter. She says she has written ah screenplay that has not been finished.
00:59:16
Speaker
It's a very amateur screenwriting sort of like, you know, thing to fall into of like over explaining yourself. And, you know, yeah they say show don't tell. um And this does shows and tells.
00:59:29
Speaker
And then it's too much. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But then you go to Natalie Portman's house and Zach Braff gets a sense of what she lives in, which is ah land of hamsters.
00:59:43
Speaker
You might say they're pile people. They are pile people and they have hamster heels. Her mom is fucking Ann Dowd. have another like wild cameo from Ann Dowd of all people. Love god Almost unrecognizable.
01:00:00
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um oh for sure. Yeah. Cause she, yeah. Yeah. Cause now she's on Handmaid's Tale. Everyone knows her as the bitch from Handmaid's Tale. Right, right, right. Well, I was going to say, and, and, you know, I mostly know her from, I mean, um I've seen the Handmaid's Tale as well, but I also know her from The Leftovers where she's also like,
01:00:14
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um, the character pretty similar
Unexpected Character Depth
01:00:17
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to the handmaid's tale. Yeah. yeah yeahy Yeah. Yeah. Um, but here, she's just a really supportive, loving mother to Natalie. poman She's so sweet. she goes ah and they have so many hamsters.
01:00:28
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They keep dying. Yes. And so they have a pet cemetery and we sort of, we meet Natalie Portman's brother, um who's not Natalie Portman's brother, but is Natalie Portman's, it's Natalie Portman's sort of adopted brother, um which is very sweet. And so like, to Tempe.
01:00:46
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And so Zach Braff asks about it. And then we get this, the first of like Natalie Portman's being like, oh my God, you're still freaked out right now. You're still like, you're so uncomfortable. Like you're running for the door. You're running for the door right now.
01:00:58
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um which comes back a few times but um basically tatembe was um one of the he was living in africa and he ah her mom saw a commercial for like a dollar a day you can help feed a child in africa and he was very popular in the ninth yeah yeah oh yeah um He was one of those kids and he ended up going to school it Rutgers and they had ended up being like pen pals of a sort through the years.
01:01:30
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um And he was really lonely at college and he was like, I know that you guys are close. Can I come stay with you? Because miss my family and my tribe. And they were like, absolutely. And so now he lives with them and it's very cute and very sweet. And it's going to college for criminology, it seems. Yes.
01:01:46
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And there's one scene where he's dusting. the remote for fingerprints yeah so someone's pissing on my gamecube and i want to know who it is there's like a million dogs and animals in this house he's like there's the paw prints say canine yeah um and uh and yeah they have this they have this conversation the conversation out in the pet cemetery and this is where they play orange sky by alexia murdoch which is a beautiful song yeah um and uh to bury the hamster
01:02:17
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And he that's when he tells her why he's home, why he's there in New Jersey, because his his mom died. And he explains that, you know, I think she may have killed herself. um She drowned in the bathtub.
01:02:29
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um But they don't actually say that, which I think is wise. um Nobody ever says, I think she killed herself, but it's implied, yeah which is the way you got to do that.
01:02:42
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Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and, and yeah, and so we get- She was paraplegic. Yes, we should he say. He says. Yeah. Um, which we do find out later how she became that way.
01:02:54
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Yeah. Um, I don't remember what happens next because the next thing that I think of is they're back at that mansion the pool party. Well, the next thing that happens is, I you know i said that Natalie Portman was not very good in this movie and I should retract that. I think that there are moments there are moments that she is very good. the the The serious stuff she really sells, it's the it's the characterization of the, and and again, like a lot of it is the way that it's written.
01:03:18
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A lot of that stuff is is, that's also the part in her bedroom is where she does the whole thing. You got to do like a weird thing and say a weird phrase that no one's ever said before. Super original.
01:03:30
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yeah and and then he goes we and she goes oh yeah i've done that one yes it's it's it's embarrassing um it's just it is it is it's one of those things where it's like this is so nakedly like a man writing a woman that he wants to fuck yeah i mean oh for sure yeah 100 which is the whole idea behind the manic pasty dream girl is that that is what the trope is is that that is she is written to be weird and quirky and cool because she's attainable but like also super hot and yeah and her but her her care like she's more than like a literal because like
01:04:16
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in like old Hollywood movies and stuff, like there were women characters who were like literal just objects, you know, they were, yeah they had no character or depth whatsoever. But the Manic Pixie Dream Girl has ah manner of that, or at least has the illusion of depth in artificial quirks that on paper are written as like,
01:04:38
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you know, complexity or, you know, um, detriments or flaws, but in reality are just cute things that are, you know, fetishized by the, by the male writer, you know?
01:04:51
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. um yeah. Which is developed in the movie Ruby Sparks, which we will do one day on this podcast. exactly. Yeah. But yeah, she's she says an absolutely devastating thing where she's taught saying, like, goodbye to Jelly, her hamster.
01:05:09
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um And, you know, she it's her fault that the hamster died because she forgot to take the metal wheel out of his cage and it crushed him and killed him. Oh, yeah. And then she says, she says, I hope that you liked me. Which is like, Jesus.
01:05:22
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So heartbreaking. Yeah. So heartbreaking. Also at her house, her mom mentions that she has epilepsy. Mm-hmm. Um, and they go to a bar to meet Peter Sarsgaard and them. They're going to go, um, uh, hang out with them. And he, he, Peter Sarsgaard comes to the bar and says, Hey, vagina.
01:05:47
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And then he walks over and he says to Natalie Portman, I'm sorry, I just said vagina. I didn't see you there. Yes. She goes, oh, it's okay. It's so good. we're going to go to this party at um Rich Guy's house. You want to come? Yeah. and And so they go. And then it cuts to them all at this rich guy's pool.
01:06:08
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And everybody is jumping in in their underwear. And everybody jumps into the pool except for Zach Braff in this beautiful shot. um So many, there there are so many like me really lovely shots in this yes movie.
01:06:23
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um It's, ah yeah, it's it's kind of a shame that I think that, again, like kind of kind of like M. Night Shyamalan and some of these other people that like, I think our, who was the other person we mentioned? Oh, Osgood.
01:06:37
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um Oh, Osgood Perkins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are people who are like, I think, and again, this is my opinion, obviously, I think are are stronger directors than writers, but are insistent on writing their own screenplay and directing their own movie. And it doesn't, it doesn't i ah I think their careers suffer long-term because of that. Yeah.
01:06:58
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, M.M. Shyamalan's doing great. Good for him. you know Yeah, exactly. mean, they're all doing great. But yeah. ah So it is revealed that Zach Braff never learned how to swim because he didn't have a normal
Wealth, Privilege, and Final Confrontations
01:07:13
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childhood. He didn't yeah you know he didn't have any of those things. And then you find out why...
01:07:19
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later because they're all sitting around this fire in rich guy's house rich guy doesn't have any furniture and he's like yeah i uh i bought some chairs but i didn't like them and they're like where where did you do the chairs and he's like it's in the fireplace keeping us warm Yeah. Which is a very early or yeah, in your early 20s rich person, you have so much money in your early 20s thing to do.
01:07:44
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For sure. And ah um he, ah Zach Braff reveals that he's the reason that his mom is a paraplegic.
01:07:55
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And he talks about That he was like having an argument with his mom in the kitchen and they, he just like on this one particular day, just like pushed her.
01:08:09
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She tripped and nine years nine years old. nine years old And, you know, having an argument like a nine-year-old would with their mom, but like their dishwasher door was faulty and the latch was broken. And so like the dishwasher the door was open and his mom trips and falls and hits her head and then becomes paralyzed from the waist down. And so his dad forever blames him, this poor innocent nine-year-old, for paralyzing his mom. And so that's when he starts going on all of these drugs because he has anger issues.
01:08:43
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And that he's, like, he can't control himself. And, like, and it just sort of, as he, like, grows up, he, um they can't really, like, deal with him.
01:08:55
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So they finally sent him off when he's 16 to boarding school. um um And just sort of, you find out that Zach Graff just sort of has never really had that affection or love of a family and it's all because he just was a kid and he it was an accident but like he knows that it's an accident but like it you like it is very clear that he knows that what he did wasn't his fault he was just being a kid
01:09:28
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Yeah. um And he has like, you know, PTSD um seems to be the the the main thing. But like, it is a
01:09:40
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a lifetime of of not dealing with it and and dealing with it poorly. And his psychiatrist father basically just giving him drugs so yeah he doesn't have to deal with it either.
01:09:50
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Exactly. um Which is child abuse. yeah exactly um which isn't great and he has like a confrontation with his dad about it and yeah eventually you know ah which i honestly didn't think we needed that i think that's one of the scenes that could have gotten cut i um i feel like that's pretty like i mean that's like that's like what the movie is about you know like that's the climax of the movie really guess i guess whatever um Just cut it out and let him leave. Let him like be the realization.
01:10:23
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then leave, you know? Well, again, it is more of what we talked about where it's like, they're just talking, they're talking about it again. Yeah. You know what mean? Yeah, exactly. I think that's the thing is that we're just, we're putting a hat on a hat. Exactly. Yeah. Very much so. That's what this movie is.
01:10:35
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Yeah. so either have the fireplace scene or have the confrontation with the dad. Both is not necessary. Yeah. And then she, like, you know, he tells her all of this and he's like,
01:10:47
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You're so freaked out. You're running for the door right now. Yeah. Yeah. so You're so freaked out. And, uh, and like, you know, she, um, you know, is, is very sweet to him about it. Um, the next day, don't kiss?
01:11:02
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No, they don't kiss yet. dang it. Um, she puts her head on his shoulder in the pool. Yeah. Um, the next day is his last day in Jersey before he has to leave. And Peter Sarsgaard,
01:11:13
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tells him, hey, i I have this gift for you, but I gotta i gotta go track it down. um Can you drive me? And he's like, well, yeah, so I said was going to hang out with Sam, which is Natalie Portman's character.
01:11:23
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yeah And he's like, she can come. So the three of them kind of go on this, like, odyssey for the third act of this movie. Which
01:11:34
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starts at a hotel with a show. Yes. Well, no, they're sitting at the hardware store and they meet Jeffrey Arend, who was married to Christina Hendricks, we should point out.
01:11:47
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They go to the hardware store and he gets some knives and returns them and to get the money. and he And Zach Braff is like, I could have given you the money. Like, this is my last day in town. Like, if you needed money, just ask me. He's like, I didn't want your money. I can make my own money. like Yeah.
01:12:02
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Peter Sarsgaard has this, this like kind of... independence thing that he doesn't want to be told what to do he is trying to find his own happiness he is like he's like i work hard all day digging graves and yeah you know i'm fine i'll be fine yeah telling his mom like i don't need to do real estate i'm happy doing what i am yeah yeah and he does he has this kind of weird like he's both very immature and like a dumb bro but also like has this kind of
01:12:34
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almost inner peace uh then he goes to get a nitrous tank yeah he uses the money to get a nitrous tank that he then takes to method man who's in the walls of this hotel ah charging people to watch watch people have sex through the holes in the wall yeah yeah um Which also comes to one of my favorite lines in this movie where they're having this this argument and and Method Man goes, who here just saw some titties?
01:13:07
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Raise your hand if you just saw some titties. And Natalie Portman very sheepishly like puts her hand up. She's like, i saw some titties. Yeah. Everybody saw some titties.
01:13:19
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Yeah.
Quarry Journey and Reflections
01:13:21
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Um... And he gives him directions to this quarry. Yeah. um And he says, we're going to go to this quarry down in Newark, um which like Newark is a big city. Like, I don't know where this quarry is supposed to be, but it doesn't matter. um This quarry, they were they were digging, they were trying to build a mall and they found some kind of this...
01:13:46
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natural like like a sinkhole or something yeah um uh huge uh like yeah geological geological occurrence this big like chasm basically and they don't know what's going on with it and it's uh this is when he confronts him and he's like you what are we doing like yeah what is this if this was all to get like blow you didn't need to drag me for five hours like he's he's trying to spend time with this girl he likes you know it's his last day in town and he thinks this is all some kind of like shaggy dog story thing where his idiot friend is leading him on a on a on a run around to do nothing yeah and he's like you have to you have to have patience like trust me like but and he and this is when he says to nally portman
01:14:34
Speaker
she's innocent. And she goes, I'm not innocent. Yeah. um And he goes, yes, you are. And that's what I like i like him about you, which is problematic. Which is telling. iing I I think, the way that it's presented and the way that Natalie character natie Portman's character is written throughout the rest of the movie, like i don't think she is innocent.
01:14:57
Speaker
Yeah, I absolutely don don't think she's innocent. I think that the movie knows that he's wrong in that in that instance. Yeah, um yeah, yeah. But but they don't really they don't really come back around there, which is a problem.
01:15:09
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Yeah.
01:15:12
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Um, and, uh, he's, he teases him for collecting Desert Storm trading cards and he says, don't tease me about my hobbies. I don't tease you for being an asshole.
01:15:25
Speaker
So good. And they, and they like, you know, they, they make up and they do a little, they do a little rough housing and then they're friends again. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And it's fine. Yeah. Then we get to the bottom of the quarry where we find this weird ship house.
01:15:39
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Not even, not even the bottom of the quarry. Like just like halfway down the quarry. Halfway down the quarry. And it's where Dennis O'Hare is. And Dennis O'Hare and and his wife are there with their baby. And it's very bizarre and very weird. And they have this little scene where they talk about why they're there. and It's pouring rain, we should say. yeah yeah It's pouring rain. They're all like really happy. And then Dennis O'Hare, you find he's like he's a geologist.
01:16:05
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No, no, he's not. He's just some guy that they hired to, to keep, to, to like be the watchman for this place. So like they were building a mall, they dug and found this like geographical formation. No one is allowed to go down in there because there's all these lawsuits.
01:16:19
Speaker
Yeah. About nobody knows what this thing is or how deep it goes. And he says like, so they hired me to, to hang out here and stop people from going down in there. Yeah. But that the, you know, my secret is at night I go down in there and explore. Like, yeah no one knows what it is. And like, I want to, I want to know. and like, my wife and I, like, he's found happiness in a simple existence, which is something that resonates with probably everybody who sees this. I think like there is something like we've talked about that on this podcast before. Like if I could have a job where I could work at a theater and make enough money to
01:16:59
Speaker
to live, yeah you know, I don't have to, i don't have, I don't want to be a famous playwright. That sounds awful. yeah There's, there's no such thing as a famous playwright anyway, but like, I don't need to do that. I would like to, i would like to write plays and maybe have them produced and just be in rehearsal and hang out with my friends and my family and make enough money to live, you know?
01:17:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. just Not not be, not be you know don't have to be super successful yeah i think that that's that's a fantasy for a lot of millennials because that's something that was taken away from us exactly so we don't really get that and so our american dream is to own a house and have a family and you know live a simple life like yeah
01:17:52
Speaker
anyways because the i mean the American dream that was sold to the baby boomers was that you were going to have a better life than your parents had and you'll be able to provide a better life for your children than you have and we no one can do that anymore yeah so I would be willing to accept you know part of what of of how successful my parents were you know what I mean yeah oh for sure absolutely but anyways we gotta wrap up this movie I know I know I'm sorry that's okay I'm a it's uh and then he he says you know we also antique jewelry and we forgot an important scene actually um where he's hanging out with uh peter sarsgaard and his friend and they're burying another person and peter sarsgaard is is looting the corpse like taking the the jewelry off of the the person in the coffin and he like makes eye contact with him and like the implication is like
01:18:43
Speaker
did you do this to my mom? Yeah. you am um They don't say anything about it, but um what he's gotten for large, the gift that he's given him, which I think that the conversation with Dennis O'Hare and the, you know, the, the journey that he took him on is kind of enough for him.
01:19:03
Speaker
And he tells him like, he doesn't care anymore what the gift is, but he gives it to him and it was his mom's favorite necklace that she was buried Yeah. Yeah, which is very sweet. yeah and And very wonderful.
01:19:14
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yeah He shares a story about the necklace and all that. But then he's gotta go. But we skipped something else. They kiss in the rain. like after They kiss in the rain, yes. After they leave the the boat, he large there the other two walk away, the large climbs up on top of this crane and looks out over the the abyss.
01:19:31
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He tells Dennis O'Hare, good luck exploring the infinite abyss. And Dennis O'Hare goes, you too. Which like, okay. Yeah. yeah yeah yeah okay um and yeah and just screams this like primal scream thing this like you know therapy almost of like unleashing this um this anger and and resentment and and and grief in him screams into the rain yeah and so she and peter starsgard go up too and they and all three of them scream and it's like a really famous shot where they're yeah screaming in the rain it's the poster gorge yeah yeah
01:20:06
Speaker
And that's when he kisses her. That's when he kisses her. And then he's got to go home. It's a good kiss. it's a It's a good kiss in the rain. But I think the part that really sells it is the hug immediately after. Yeah.
01:20:20
Speaker
Yeah. The hug is just sort of like, he's just like, he needs that. He needs that human connection. Yeah.
Generational Touchstone and Legacy
01:20:26
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But anyways, he's got to go.
01:20:33
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He's got to get on a flight. And so him and Natalie Portman are at the airport. I can only assume- have a conversation with his dad first, Emma. No, but we've already talked about that, Katie. Yeah, we have. We don't need to talk about it again.
01:20:44
Speaker
You're right. We are going on two hours. We need to wrap this up.
01:20:51
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His dad tells him you need to forgive himself. And he's like, i already forgave myself. I'm the one needs to forgive you for doing this to me. That's the important thing. There you go. Okay. Now he's at the airport. At Newark Airport. I can only assume.
01:21:04
Speaker
And Natalie Portman's sad that he's leaving. And he's like, but I gotta go. And she's like, okay, I'm sad. And then he like goes on. very sad. She's yes sobbing.
01:21:15
Speaker
yeah um and he's like i've i you know i have to figure this out i have to like i gotta find a new psychiatrist and she he's like i'll call you when i get there and she's like that's not gonna happen and yeah she's probably right you know um and he's like you know you changed my life i've known you for four days and you changed my life yeah um which and we were what kayla was like she was like okay whatever
01:21:40
Speaker
hetero nonsense that's what these movies are about caitlin yeah um but you know caitlin has a very like close relationship with this movie as well like she was just talking to just talking about it when she first came in when was watching it was like you she started to cry because like because of how where this movie came and in our lives and where who we were when we saw this movie and like became obsessed with the soundtrack she said you know, she was, she did her like college tour, like looking at colleges and listening to the soundtrack all the time. So yeah seeing the movie and hearing those songs, like takes her back to that and who she was then.
01:22:15
Speaker
And I think it was, it was really emotional for her. And that's, that's true for a lot of us. yeah Yeah, exactly. It's, it is, it is sort of that, generational film that that is just sort of it's a pinpoint but um but anyways he's so he leaves and we get frou-frou let go playing oh yeah it was great all-time banger yeah yes so let go go um and so like shakira singing it
01:22:49
Speaker
ah And he goes up the escalator and he leaves Natalie Portman behind. And then he gets on the plane and then he realizes this is a mistake.
01:23:00
Speaker
What the fuck am I doing? And so then. No, go get your girl speech. Yeah. No, no. They're both at the airport from the beginning. Like there's They don't really have a third act breakup. Like it's a very non-traditional kind of structure for this sort of story. Yeah.
01:23:13
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Oh, for sure. Um, and he runs back and he tells Natalie Portman, fuck it, screw it, you know? yeah you're i you're the best thing to happen to me or something along those lines.
01:23:27
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and He says I'm in love with you, which again like seems fast, but whatever. Yeah, whatever. Well, not the original ending for this movie. well they Yeah, yeah. um Again, this is apocryphal, I think. I don't know. i didn't I didn't look this up before we recorded, but I remember that I believe there was it ended differently and they even reshot the ending.
01:23:51
Speaker
Oh. And that's why there's no one in the airport at the end because it's like a set or something. Yeah. And they liked the look of it. um Yeah. So, but the one really cool thing is like he goes back and they are, and they, you know, kiss because it's the end of a rom-com.
01:24:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And the automatic doors open. And so the shadow on top of them open. And that's the last scene in the movie, which is yeah really good. It's a great, great last shot.
01:24:18
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It's a great, great last shot. Great movie. And you got Fru-Fru playing. Exactly. It's amazing. So that's Garden State. Yeah. I would ask you for any more thoughts, feelings, or opinions, but I feel like we got it all, Katie.
01:24:30
Speaker
think i've got some i don't know i mean i feel like we could do an entire podcast series on just garden state no is but here's thing this is all i want to this this i don't want to talk about it anymore like we had our moment we talked about it it's there i'm upgrading it on my letterbox from two stars to three stars oh because i do think it's better in retrospect but It is one of those things where it's like, it has, it has become a punchline in like culture. It is one of these things that's like really lost. And part of that is I think because of Zach Braff's like whole deal.
01:25:05
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Yeah. It took him like 10 years to make another movie and it was like widely regarded as like terrible. And his career hasn't really had the, the impacts that I'm sure he wanted it to have. But he has made a couple of other movies, none of which I've seen.
01:25:21
Speaker
I've seen a few of them. um um Charlie and i definitely saw the follow-up to this with Kate Hudson, which is fine. What is that? It's like basically Garden State if it happened to someone in their late 30s, early 40s.
01:25:36
Speaker
um it's It's the same sort of vibe. um And Charlie's Corner for this hu Charlie he fucking loves this movie. He loves this movie so much. he I'm sure also would have two hours of thoughts, feelings, and opinions on this movie.
01:25:57
Speaker
um he But he does want the listeners to know that Emma and Charlie, when they were first dating, went on a date to see a play that was written and starring Zach Braff on the West End.
01:26:11
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That was very good. You saw that. I've heard I've heard it's good. Yeah. ah Yeah. We saw we saw is it all new people? All new people. Yeah. yeah We saw all new people and it was really good.
01:26:22
Speaker
um And then we went to the pub afterwards and I kept expecting to see Zach Braff, but I didn't see Zach Braff. I was very disappointed. Wish I Was Here is the movie he made with Kate Hudson. Yes. 10 years later. Yeah. It was fine. It wasn't great. It it just, it was fine.
01:26:36
Speaker
um But yeah, Charlie wants the listeners to know that we saw all new people and ah he loves Garden State. Hates the Princess Bride, loves Garden State. So I guess on scale from ozone to basketball, Charlie rates this movie beyond basketball. Beyond I too would rate this movie Beyond Basketball. I have not seen Basketball, but i feel pretty confident that I would like it more than Basketball. Yes.
01:27:05
Speaker
Beyond the Decoy Bride. ah Well, obviously. Yeah. Yes. But for Charlie, that's a high praise. shit Good. Good. Yeah. yeah Well, I'm glad. So what movie are we doing next week, Katie?
01:27:17
Speaker
Oh, God. I didn't even think about it. Um... Emma's going to kill me. ah We've been recording for like two hours. I know. I'm so sorry. It's okay. It's okay.
01:27:29
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We have a lot of thoughts and feelings about Garden Street. going to do... um Yeah, we'll be watching the Disney film Enchanted. Yeah!
01:27:41
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Hell yeah! i love that. Complete change in vibes. Yes. Great. Charlie also really loves that movie, so he's going nothing but good things to say.
Preview of Next Episode: 'Enchanted'
01:27:50
Speaker
Great. Amazing.
01:27:52
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Shall we outro?
01:27:57
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01:28:08
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01:28:23
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01:28:37
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01:28:44
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01:28:52
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01:29:21
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I didn't know we were doing an Attack on Me episode. And I think that a lot of that can be blamed on him. I mean, like, to be... To be
01:29:36
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what? I don't know. I don't Hold on. Let me take that in. I'm off my bit. Let's take it from there. yeah Will you say that again? can you explain who oh my god, this is going to be a nightmare to edit.
01:29:50
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like Harry Knowles.
01:29:59
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We didn't need to. If you we talk at the same time, you can just cut my audio out of it. Can you explain who Harry Knowles is?