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Raising Arizona
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Emma & Katie stay surprisingly on topic for this one, mostly because there's just so much to discuss about the 1987 Coen Bros masterpiece. Holly Hunter! Nic Cage!
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Introduction and Book Talk
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Two days. 48 hours, baby. Until? Until I'm in Chi-town. Yeah. Don't call it that. um i thought you I thought this was going to be about the Pope again. it was real misdirect.
00:00:16
Speaker
No. Listeners, what you missed out on was um ah greeting Katie in the green room and me immediately going, it's conclave day. Conclave. Conclave.
00:00:28
Speaker
Which would would have happened a full month ago by the time you're listening to this. It could still be going on. This is my Adderall. That's a pill. Take your medication. Get it, girl.
00:00:41
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We are girls who are medicated and happy and alive. Two out of three ain't bad.
00:00:49
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we uh i uh i did wake up at uh at 3 30 this morning and couldn't get back to sleep for hours i completely finished my book i think it was about six by the time i put my book down and like tried to go back to sleep again and i probably slept another maybe hour and a half or so so jesus um what i don't know did you finish Oh, um, what was it called?
00:01:15
Speaker
It was... Just finished It was called Mr. Wrong Number, and it was... Okay. Okay. Okay. It was a rom-com about... <unk> It's actually, you know, i think it was inspired by You've Got Mail, because it's about ah these people who are... um it's ah It's a...
00:01:36
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um It's a wrong number, as you might yeah imagine by the plot. And then they they just start talking about stuff. And then she's also, like, got a grumpy...
00:01:48
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she her apartment burned She burned her apartment building down and she's now living with her brother and her brother's roommate. And her brother's roommate is like a grumpy, rich guy. um And it turns out that he's been the wrong number that she's been playfully flirt texting with. But then, of course, he finds out too early and it becomes a whole thing.
00:02:07
Speaker
doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. That's You've Got Mail right there. Or I guess the shop around the corner. ah Tomato, tomato. Yeah. Yeah. It was fine. Yeah. I finished a really great audio book slash book that I highly recommend. It's a horror book.
00:02:23
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um But there's like a little romance involved. It's very, it's like kind of like horror sweet horror. um
Cat Allergies and Movie Discussion
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Cozy horror. Cozy horror. Yeah. um Such Sharp Teeth.
00:02:34
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It's really good. It's about werewolf. Obviously, it's a werewolf book. But it's about a girl who goes home to take care of her twin sister who's pregnant. And she gets bit by a werewolf.
00:02:45
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And it's just all about her leaving her life in the city and sort of reevaluating what brings her joy. Because she has to reevaluate her life because she's now a werewolf. Sure. Yeah.
00:02:56
Speaker
Yeah. So it it was really good. It was really sweet. um And I'm currently reading a book for my Emma book club because I now have many friends named Emma and we have a book club, baby.
00:03:10
Speaker
pew, pew. I know. all Emma book club? That's cute. And all Emma book club and our friend Priscilla and anyone else that wants to join. But it started out because the three of us went on a little Emma date.
00:03:22
Speaker
and And we ate, we had root beer floats and diner food. And then we went thrifting and we ended up at this really cute bookshop in West Hartford. And we all were, we were like, oh my God, should we start a book club?
00:03:36
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And we picked a book and the book's really good. It's called Sour Cherry. i haven't finished it yet, but um really, really That sounds familiar. Yeah. um
00:03:47
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Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. um the The book, the cover was, yeah. It's really good. It's spooky. Cool. um Yeah, i was in I was in a couple book clubs at one point, but like we never, I don't know, we just kind of, they all fizzled out.
00:04:01
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um Yeah. it's ah It's fun, but it's hard to keep up with. Yeah. Well, all we all share the same name, so I hope that this will... I'm surprised your first book you know you didn't pick wasn't Emma.
00:04:15
Speaker
You little too on brand? Yeah, a little too on brand there. Yeah. And I constantly, it's, I, have you ever had ah a friend group of just Katie's? Like, I constantly forget that their names are also Emma.
00:04:28
Speaker
And so it gets very confusing. It gets very confusing. no, I don't, I don't interact with, with a lot of, with a lot of other Katie's. I mean, like, we've got Caitlin and our friend Kate.
00:04:40
Speaker
And at one point we had, ah we had a party where it was Katie, Caitlin, Kate, there's someone named Kate O. oh and oh and Oh, yeah. And oh, there was another one. I think maybe, oh, it was a cat.
00:04:54
Speaker
Yeah. So all derivatives, but different. Yes, you do know Kato. Yeah. I love Kato. It was great. Yeah. ah So yeah, so mean, like, Catherine is such a, like, it's such a versatile name. It can, there's many, many derivatives and spellings and... ah Emma does not.
00:05:14
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Yeah, Emmeline, as we decided. Yes, Emmeline. what was the other one? Emma Blinn or something. Emma Dale. I don't know. yeah It means hole. It sure does.
00:05:31
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These are very fun facts. My name means hole. Yeah. Sounds like something a man would DM to me. Yeah. Your name means hole. Mm-hmm. Fill in the blank there.
00:05:46
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um ah Yeah, so I have, um so I've been up for hours. Yes. And um I'm trying not to get sick. So if my voice sounds like snotty, I apologize.
Exploring Coen Brothers' Style
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um I went to board game night at my friend Rachel's house on Monday and she has two cats, of course, because everyone I know has cats and I'm deathly allergic to cats. And I took Benadryl when I was there. And like, what's weird is like yesterday I was mostly, I was fine when I was there.
00:06:17
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And then yesterday I was mostly fine. And then today, like, or last night rather, really started to hit me like sneezing and having to blow my nose and like itching and everything. And like,
00:06:29
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But I feel better now, so maybe it's over. Who knows? Yeah. Maybe it was just sort of like the Benadryl worked its way out of your system and your body, there was like still dander on something. That's probably true.
00:06:41
Speaker
Why? I mean, I can't not pet them. I always say, okay, I'm just not going to pet them. But like they love me. They're drawn to my pure heart. so Exactly. I can't not pet them. Can't not.
00:06:52
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My cats love you, but you can't. You can't not pet them. No, they're too cute. um several It's a curse being allergic to cats. yeah I know.
00:07:05
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i know. It's very, very sad. It makes me sad. um But ah I'm sorry that you're you're your voice might be a little scratchy and flummy today because um on top of all of that, ah today's film... Katie.
00:07:23
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Katie. Yeah. I'm gonna need you to explain a lot of things to me. Oh, really?
00:07:31
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That's shocking. Really? yeah I mean- Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Who who are we? What is this? yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. yeah um So that's right, guys.
00:07:43
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You guessed it. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where and Katie, I don't know, end up in jail for robbing a convenience store.
00:07:54
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And they just can't quit their life of robbing convenience store. And they fall in love with Holly Hunter. can you not? How can you not? Holly Hunter wants a baby after they get married, but then they find out that she can't have a baby.
00:08:07
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So now they've got to figure out a way to have a baby. And oh my gosh, there's this rich bitch who has four babies. They don't need four babies. So we steal a baby and chaos. ah Five babies.
00:08:18
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And ah chaos ensues. Yeah. yeah So that's right, guys. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. And we're talking about Raising Arizona, um one of the best movies ever made.
00:08:34
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um A perfect film. i will I will hear no criticism of it Okay. I mean, I did not like it. This is not a Bull Durham situation.
00:08:47
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I did not like it. Oh, thank God. ah Thank God. Okay. I just had a lot of questions. Number one being, how is this a rom-com?
00:08:59
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Oh, it's not. hu
00:09:04
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You just wanted to watch it? Yeah. I mean, like, it's as much of a rom-com as, like, some of the other stuff we've watched on this show. like Very true. Yeah. Legally Blonde isn't a rom-com.
00:09:14
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um Okay. We are talking about Raising Arizona ah from 1987, written and directed by the Coen brothers, Joel and Ethan Coen. The credits in the, so the Coen brothers um for many, many years based on DGA and WGA rules had to, could not be credited together.
00:09:38
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ah Even though they did everything together, they wrote the movie together and they directed the movie together. So on a because they weren't allowed to do that for a long time as a compromise, Ethan credited himself as the producer and Joel credited himself as the director, even though both of them did both of those jobs.
00:09:56
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Yes. It wasn't until, gosh, maybe Oh Brother,
Nicolas Cage's Career and Film Trivia
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Where Art Thou? It was definitely the 2000s. I don't remember if it was word Brother, Where Art Thou? Or maybe it was a later movie. They started crediting themselves and then retroactively, they have credited both of them for both jobs ever since.
00:10:12
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Mm-hmm. um But this is their second movie. Okay. They made Blood Simple before this, which is, ah have you seen that? No. It's like a, you know, it's a very Coen Brothers movie. It's a very, very indie, small town, noir murder story.
00:10:30
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Kind of more serious than some of their later movies. Yeah. And then this, they kind of got a real budget. I think, mean I think the budget was like, six million dollars or something i mean there's a shit ton of explosions in this they sure as hell got a budget but 1986 six million dollars is pretty big for uh you know relatively uh indie movie um and uh and made it just a slapstick cartoon nonsense uh comedy and it was uh it was it was a pretty big hit for considering like
00:11:03
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when i was When I was a kid, my my mom and dad loved this movie and always ah talked about it as like one of their the funniest movies they'd ever seen.
00:11:14
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um So i I don't remember when I exactly saw it. At some point, I rented it from Blockbuster and watched it. um But it was like a ah it was definitely go-to example of what my parents considered like a really funny movie.
00:11:30
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yes yes um and yeah and i love this movie uh it's um it's it's definitely considered a a cult classic a um one of their generally i would say considered one the coen brothers best movies um but yeah it's not really a rom i mean there's romance in it and there's comedy in it so yeah who's to say that's not that way yeah in that way i guess but like there was also like several moments that i was just like What?
00:11:56
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Why? Okay. What's your, what? So you've never seen this movie. I'd never see this movie. um What is your background with the Coens in general? Yeah. With the Coens in general. Um, I, did they do Fargo?
00:12:08
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They did do Fargo, yes. That's what I thought, because I was like, this is giving Fargo vibes. I haven't actually seen the film, but I've seen all of the TV show. um would You haven't seen Fargo? I know, because I want to watch it with Charlie, and every time I bring it up, he goes, mu I don't know.
00:12:22
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um You should just watch it without him. Yeah, yeah. At this point, yes. um ah that Fargo is my favorite Coen Brothers movie.
Themes in 'Raising Arizona'
00:12:30
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Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, I guess, boring, but it's true.
00:12:32
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Yeah. um I don't have like a big relationship with the Coen brothers, I think, is sort of like why this probably didn't strike as true to me as you, ah as with you. um I, you know, know of the Coen brothers. I've seen Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? because everyone and their mom saw it. I enjoyed Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? Masterpiece.
00:12:52
Speaker
Yeah, perfect movie. I think it's great. um And what was some of their like later ones? named Name me some Coen Brothers films. ah Fargo, ah The Hudsucker Proxy.
00:13:04
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um ah wait. that That's the one that takes place in old Hollywood, right? ah No, that's Hail Caesar with Channing Tatum. The Hugsucker Proxy is from the with Jennifer Jason Leigh, and it's like a 1940s screwball comedy. Yes, I've seen that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:22
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Yeah, that one rules. I love that one. Yeah, would I love that one. Yeah, I watched that and thought it was hilarious. Yeah, that's that's one of my favorites as well. um Yeah, Brother Where Art Thou? um The Big Lebowski is very big. That's not one of my favorites. no um ah no But a lot of people really love that movie. Yeah.
00:13:40
Speaker
More, yeah, more recently, ah the, ah so um a serious man, um the man who wasn't there. they They've got a lot of like different genre i kind of things that they do.
00:13:54
Speaker
I think that like, okay, so so I'm going to say some things and it's going to come out and sound really snobby. Are you prepared? Uh-huh. I have this thing and I don't know where it stems from and I don't know how it was developed, but I have this thing about like eighty s movies that look very redneck, that look very like, don't to say redneck.
00:14:20
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They look very um sort of, you know, blue collar. Sure. And it's a lot of like blue collar comedy. And it's a lot of sort of like, so like um the earnest movies.
00:14:32
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not not Not like blue collar comedy, like like ah ah Jeff Foxworthy and Ron White and Larry the Cable Guy. Yeah. But like a lot of things like, you know, um things that look like like this movie, things that look like Pee Wee Herman's Great Adventure, things that look like, um you know, the Ernest Goes to X, Y, and Z movies. Sure. like That sort of like aesthetic.
00:14:59
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I don't know. It's always been cringy to me. Like, it just, like, I can't, I just, I just don't like it. And it's just, like, I don't like the, like, maybe the colors are too bright, or maybe it's just sort of, like, there's too much lipstick on teeth.
00:15:12
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Like, I just, I don't, I don't like it. and So you're saying you hate poor people is what you're saying, right? No, I'm trying to get away from that.
00:15:26
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You heard her, folks. um
00:15:31
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so No, no. There's like an aesthetic. There's this look, this movie, and those movies have a very similar look to them. It's like any time in the 80s, like, um what's his name? John Waters. Any John Waters movie. Except I love Crybaby.
00:15:46
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But like um like, there's exceptions to the rule. but later You're talking about like movies about like trashy people. Like about, not necessarily just. Well, when put it that way. Well, I mean, no, I mean, that's, I mean, like,
00:16:00
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trashy people can exist ah in all economic uh uh um segments what trying to say yes yes all levels of life these are i mean yeah this is a movie about uh rednecks um uh hay seeds as they call them in the movie um yep is that like the arizona version of a redneck yeah i think it's more like southwest yeah um yeah not not not sure i've never been to this american southwest But this is about
00:16:34
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um H.I. McDonough, played by the great Nicolas Cage, looking hot as hell. I mean, he's cute. knew you were going to say that.
00:16:46
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I wouldn't say, is he is he as hot as he is in Moonstruck? Absolutely fucking not. Yeah, yeah. Well, you you pushed back on me on him being hot in Moonstruck, too, if you'll remember.
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ah
00:17:00
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In certain scenes. But like the scene that I'm thinking of is him and that wife beater, like giving his crazy monologue. And that was sexy as hell. I lost my hand. I lost my hand.
00:17:11
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Yes. Um, yes. I think that he's very sexy in this movie. He looks deranged. He is deranged. 22 years old when he shot this movie 22 he's a baby i know he and holly hunter is like 29 i think yeah a baby as well like i i looked at her i was like oh my god that's what holly hunter used to look like yeah uh holly hunter one of our finest actresses yeah Sometimes my go-to favorite actress. This and Broadcast News came out the same year, which is insane. And this movie and Moonstruck came out the same year.
00:17:47
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so like Really? What a year for the both of them. yeah I know, right? They were ruling Hollywood. um so uh also this is john goodman uh this is basically his first movie um he's uh he gets on i think he gets on roseanne the next year so likely because of this movie i would say yeah uh charlie did not recognize john goodman i went oh john goodman and he went where i was like really john goodman and he goes oh yeah that's john goodman the guy on the left that's john goodman i was like yes but looks that looks like john goodman
00:18:20
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The one that looks like John Goodman? That's John Goodman! It sounds John Goodman, yeah. Goodness. Anyways, continue. um ah Again, John Goodman would be in a ton of Coen Brothers movies after this. He's one of their their favorite actors to work with.
00:18:36
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Holly Hunter also in A Brother Horror Thou. yeah um it is yeah it's a crime comedy about idiots which yet a lot of the coen brothers movies are about um a lot of them are a lot less fun than this one um because they end up getting killed and other people killed and things like that um But it is, yeah, Nicolas Cage is h i McDonough, or High McDonough, who wears ugly Hawaiian shirts and has a terrible mustache, and his hair...
00:19:13
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And this movie is incredible. um Apparently, I found out that apparently the idea was that his hair is like Woody Woodpecker's. Because he has a Woody Woodpecker tattoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:25
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And he is like a cartoon in this movie. yeah And so his hair like moves constantly, whether it's out and up or slicked back. or it's that The idea is that his hair is like Woody Woodpecker.
00:19:37
Speaker
yeah Oh, I like that. I like that. That's really cute. um and he is a petty thief he keeps robbing convenience stores he can't stop robbing convenience stores he just can't quit them yeah he gets thrown in prison over and over yep um and the the police woman who takes the mug shots is ed edwina uh played by holly hunter and for whatever reason, she seems into him. Yeah. I mean, well, because he cares about her. That's why. That's true.
00:20:12
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He like asks her questions. Cause one day she's crying and he's like, actually asks her what's wrong. And then he like checks in and like, he's just like, Hey, how you doing? And like, I don't think that she'd had that emotional connection with someone.
00:20:25
Speaker
So, you know, yeah they met three times on the three times that he was, uh put in a rain i guess is that's the word um and uh and on the and then he comes when he finally gets released for the third time he asked her to marry him and they get married and they get a trailer outside of tempe arizona tempe um tempe arizona And there's this great yodel that happens multiple times in this movie. It's Carter Burwell who does the music for a bunch of their movies. um He's won several Oscars. He's great.
00:20:59
Speaker
um Yeah. ah We get this kind of narration at the beginning and then it fades away for most of the movie. yeah But yeah, you you you you mentioned they um
00:21:13
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She quits being a cop. um They ah have this little home together and they love each other very much and they're very happy, but she can't have children. Yeah. And then they see in the newspaper that... um Well, then they try adopting, but they can't adopt because he obviously has um ah ah record.
00:21:33
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And so they have the really funny scene where they're at the adoption agency and um Holly Andrews is like, Now I know that H.I. has a very ah checkered past, but, um and he, and then he cuts in and he goes, but you see, she's been well-decorated officer of the law. So we figured that, you know, it evens it out.
00:21:54
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Yeah.
00:21:57
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So I mean, the dialogue in this movie is very, um is very unique and quotable. It's very, um it's actually reminds me a lot of A Brother Where Thou specifically where it's yeah this like,
00:22:09
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heavy accented, um but very high vocabulary um yeah where he says these flowery phrases, but he says them in like this hick accent. Yeah. um Which is super fun.
00:22:22
Speaker
Yeah. No, I entered through yon window over there. Through yon window. Winder. And Holly Hunter, obviously, that's just how she talks.
00:22:34
Speaker
Holly Hunter, one of the best voices in Hollywood. i think she's from I think she's from Georgia. Where's Holly Hunter from? It's such a unique accent. like I would love to be able to do a Holly Hunter impression. Because she also just talks out of the side of her mouth.
00:22:48
Speaker
Yeah, she does. Yeah. And also, forgot, she's an amazing country singer. She is? i mean, like, not professionally, but she's singing. Oh, yeah, yeah mean she and yeah. She can sing. Yeah, yeah she's from sha Georgia.
00:23:03
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She's from Conyers, Georgia. Conyers, Georgia. um yeah she sings a very disturbing song to the baby um so there's the unpainted furniture um magnate nathan arizona who has a bunch of furniture stores um all unpainted which i guess is a thing i guess like a like ah Like, ah it's says what' supposed to be, like, a cheap furniture, I guess, is the idea. Yeah, because then you go and you paint it yourself.
00:23:35
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So you save money because it's unpainted. Yeah. um Who has a bunch of commercials on television. And he has... He and his wife couldn't have children, so she was taking all these fertility drugs, so she had quintuplets.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah. Five babies. um Harry, Barry, Larry, Gary, and Nathan Jr. Yeah, which...
00:23:57
Speaker
Come on, just continue with the rhyming. That's such a shitty thing to do to the other brothers. Like, dude. They're not great people. Yeah, they're really not. And also they're so, I mean, like for the 80s, like they're, I mean, also the 80s, you can't tell age anymore. It's so fucking hard. Like how old are they supposed to be? 35? Yeah, they are. Because the actor who plays Nathan Arizona died ah suddenly at the age of 40 in 1989. Yeah.
00:24:26
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Wait, what? He's actually 35? He's 38, yeah, in this movie. yeah Or 37, think they shot in 86, yeah. Oh my god. like i know, he like looks like he's 60 years old.
00:24:38
Speaker
Right? Like they both do, and i was just like, I know that fertility isn't what it is today, and I don't think she would be able to carry five babies if she is as old as I think she is.
00:24:49
Speaker
I didn't know. I didn't look up how much how old the actress was, but I just noticed that he had died in 1980. Yeah, he's... Well, based on that, you have to assume that they were both just in their 30s.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. um But yeah, it it is it is hard. Everybody... It was it was a different time. you know People lived a lot harder. um They all smoked all the time. You have understand. All the time. And drank heavily. yeah And it's just like... And didn't wear sunscreen. Nobody wore sunscreen until 2005.
00:25:19
Speaker
Right. I wear sunscreen when it's cloudy out. I wear sunscreen every day. Yeah, you got to. every Every single freaking day. Yeah. In this economy.
00:25:30
Speaker
I forget to do my retinol a lot, but I wear sunscreen every day. oh every day. Same. That's why we look more fetuses. Yeah. So, um, ah they, uh, she decides that he needs to go steal one of these babies because they've got too many and they can't, they can't keep up with them. Um, so.
00:25:51
Speaker
Exactly. They just assume that they can't handle five babies. Yeah. So Hai goes to the to the mansion. He's in there and he's running around the nursery while the two of them are downstairs, like not watching their children.
00:26:04
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Their infant toddler children. ah Yeah. How old are they supposed to be? Because they're they're crawling around. They're not walking, but they're pretty big. pretty big. um Like maybe seven months?
00:26:17
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but Yeah. Six, seven months? Yeah. I do know that this was a very 80s thing of um they were all in one giant crib, which is a health hazard because they could like accidentally roll on top of each other. i think, again, I think that's that's more like the cartoon thing, you know? Like it's also really wide. It has all their names painted over. Yeah. like them but there's no separation so like how do they know the baby's gonna be there how do know which baby is which but like also they don't that's the thing like when the cops ask him he's like we're pretty sure it was nathan jr
00:26:54
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But okay, so this was my first note where I wrote, what the fuck is he doing? Like, why is he just picking? Like, was he? Okay, and this is a genuine question. Was he just picking up each baby to see if he has a connection with it?
00:27:07
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Yeah. Why not just pick a baby and go? Because yeah picking them up and then putting them down and then picking them up and putting down. He's a very emotional man. Yeah. He's trying to pick up each one of the five to decide which one is the one that he bonds with but they keep moving around and he can't tell which ones he's already picked up and which one he hasn't okay okay because i was just like i just got distracted by the fact that i was like if your mission is to If your mission is to steal a baby, you're doing a very bad job, sir. You are spending way too much time in the crime scene.
00:27:39
Speaker
You need just get in there, steal the baby and get out. He's not good at crime. And he's very he's kind of a moron. Yeah. Yeah. um he's He's what we would call now a himbo.
00:27:51
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himbo. Very sweet kind of dumb man. Yeah. Yes. Yes. He, uh, yeah. So he, he goes down, he can't do it. He he goes down to the car and tells Holly Hunter, like, I, I, I, we, we can't do it. Let's start the car. And she goes, you go up there and get me a toddler.
00:28:09
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I want that baby. Yeah. You go right back up there and get me a toddler. That's what she says. yeahp i mean Yeah. Um, so he does, he gets Nathan Jr. And they, and she falls in love with him immediately And they go back to the house and they've got like a little sign. This is welcome home, son. It's very sweet for kidnappers. Very cute.
00:28:29
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Yeah. um And um then John Goodman and Bill Forsyth, who are these brothers that H.I. knew from prison, escape from prison.
00:28:43
Speaker
So that is the that's the the wrench in the in the works. Yeah. In a very gross sequence. Yeah. Yes, it's very Shawshank Redemption before Shawshank Redemption came out, actually. Yeah, they crawl through the sewer pipe to get out. So they're covered in shit.
00:28:59
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They show up at their trailer and um are basically like, we we need your help. And Holly Hutchins is like, absolutely not. We have a baby and we can't have these easily people in the and the trailer.
00:29:13
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yeah So this is the main conflict of the movie. um It is his his criminal past versus, because I mean, like, they would have gotten away with it, honestly. Like, if any of this didn't happen. Yeah. Well, I mean, you've got the the demon biker, I suppose, may have found them either way, but.
00:29:28
Speaker
Yeah. But, you know. ah Um... That was like a ah last minute throw in there. well Although, he's alluded to it. It's a whole thing. Um...
00:29:39
Speaker
Yeah, I think that, like, had I maybe not gone in completely blind with this movie and, like, had the idea of it's, like, real-life cartoons, like, real-life Woody Woodpecker, yeah then then then maybe a little bit more of this would have made, like, a little bit more sense. Because, like, as we're describing it now, I'm and like, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, that's smart.
00:30:02
Speaker
Oh, okay, okay, okay. I mean, I didn't, again, I did not like the movie. i just sort of, like... There were things that... Something about something like... Straightens something out for you. And it's not like I'm trying to convince you to change your mind about something. I'm just explaining what I like about it. Yeah.
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Totally. I hope. um I hope that's how it's coming out. The aesthetic of the movie was lost on me. And I think that knowing now what it was ah make makes a lot of things make a lot more sense to me. Sure.
00:30:34
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. It's a very specific tone. Yes. It's a very unique... movie like there's no there's no movie like this really yes um except maybe oh brother where art thou yeah except every other coen brothers movie yeah or burn after beating or one of their oh you know their comedies not their um um more serious ones uh not their bummers um So then Hai has a dream, a premonition of a demon biker coming toward them, who is this terrifying entity.
00:31:06
Speaker
Who's also disgusting. Yeah, just this awful. He's got bronze baby shoes that he hangs off of his belt. yeah um he's He's taken a baby before, we find out later.
00:31:19
Speaker
He's taken a baby. He's a bicycle. He's riding a motorcycle. ah be water and for for several different for several different scenes. It starts off with like him narrating it. The man was pure evil.
00:31:32
Speaker
And he throws a grenade to kill a rabbit. He shoots a lizard. He's just... it He has no care for the little things. Sometimes it's a hard world for the little things.
00:31:44
Speaker
yes Which is a quote from the Heart is... Not the Heart is Lonely Hunter. The Night of the Hunter. Have you seen The Night of the Hunter? No, it's The Night of the Hunter. Oh, it's this great movie. It's a movie from the It's upsetting, but yeah that's it's it's a great movie. it's I would say it's a horror movie.
00:32:03
Speaker
um ah I would describe it that way. its Have you ever seen like someone with love and hate, like knuckle tattoos? It's from that movie. That's what that's from originally.
00:32:13
Speaker
Oh, Okay. It's about a serial killer who dresses like a priest to murder women and get their money. um Oh. it It was made in the 50s? Yeah. Yeah. It's really it's really intense.
00:32:25
Speaker
um It's really... um Yeah, it's generally chilling and got some really, really beautiful photography. It's a great movie. yeah Oh, okay. But yeah, ah sometimes it's a hard world for for little things.
00:32:39
Speaker
iss from Yeah. Yeah. um So then they convince, so he's coming for them, the the demon biker, which is another common Coen Brothers thing. There's like the supernatural kind of element that exists in the otherwise real world.
00:32:57
Speaker
Yeah. um And then they have these idiot friends, Dot and Glenn. Yes. ah Glenn, who is Chandler's boss from Friends. um And also H.I.' 's boss.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yes, H.I.' 's boss in this movie. Mm-hmm. um ah And Frances McDormand, Joel Cohen's wife, who's in most of their movies. Are they still married?
00:33:21
Speaker
They are still married, yes. Oh, get it. Get it. I love it when a Hollywood relationship stands the test of time. And so not only that, but um but what's so we'll get into this now. um this is this is This is pretty, I think, a commonly known thing among, like, Cohen fan people. But Frances McDormand and Holly Hunter were roommates in college and And then when they moved to LA became roommates again with a third roommate, Kathy Bates.
00:33:48
Speaker
What? Joel Cohen and Ethan Cohen's roommate was Sam Raimi. What? Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:57
Speaker
And they were all best friends. What the fuck? Joel Cohen was an editor on um Evil Dead, the student, the first movie that Sam Raimi made, the student film. And that scene where we get Mrs. Arizona, Florence, Arizona, yeah finds out that her baby is gone is a, um it ah is a, is a, an homage to,
00:34:19
Speaker
At that point, Evil Dead, but at this point, all Sam Raimi movies where the camera is like zoom. yeah not not It's not a zoom. it's i guess it's a it's a dolly because yeah it's a push. I don't know what you call that. I'm i'm not well versed enough in camera because it's not on a track. It's on a board being carried by two people. I think that's still a dolly no matter what it's on.
00:34:40
Speaker
Yeah. don't know running as fast as they can through over the ground very close to the ground and then over the car and then up the ladder into the window um yeah which is i mean people now just call it a sam ramey i think but that's yeah it's very much uh yeah then the the coen brothers uh wrote uh sam ramey's uh sam ramey's second movie um i like And I think they're still friends.
00:35:04
Speaker
I don't know about that. yeah but um But yeah, they were all living together in L.A. and poor and trying to make movies in the late 70s, early 80s. Yeah. I love that so much. That's amazing. And it's fabulous that they're all so amazingly talented and they're friends.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yeah. Well, i should say that ah the college that um Frances McDormand and Holly Hunter were roommates in was the Yale School of Drama. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Wow. um But, ah yeah, so, um oh i have ah i have was I have a bit here where Nicolas Cage says he's going he wants to hang out with ah with John Goodman and and Bill Forsyth. He wants knock back a few co-colas.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah, co-colas. Which is what my grandma which what my grandmother called them. Really? Yeah, yeah. Co-colas. Yeah, and then my my parents would, not mockingly, but lovingly ah call them that ah to, you know, not make fun of my grandma, but like to invoke her, I guess.
00:36:08
Speaker
Let's say you want co-coals? Some co-coals. Love that. Love that. So Frances McDormand and ah Glenn. Glenn. I didn't write down the actor's name, but he's in stuff. He's a character actor. he's been stuff. You'd recognize him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's a racist piece of shit.
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah, he's terrible. He keeps making jokes about Polish people. He does, yes. They're talking to him. So Francis McDormand is just making Holly Hunter increasingly nervous about the things they need to do to prepare for this child.
00:36:43
Speaker
yeah um everyone keeps talking about their dip tet you gotta to get that dip tet else they'll develop lockjaw night vision what that's what she says jesus christ um and uh they also have like 80 000 kids and yes yes the funniest thing and just writes fart on the wall He's like, he knows his ABCs. And he just cuts to him and he's written fart on the wall. ah
00:37:14
Speaker
Yeah, they have an un... and and and like it's not We're not quite sure how many there are. It seems like every time they cut to them, there's more of them. yeah But they want more because these are getting too big to cuddle and Dot needs another one to cuddle.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah. Just get a dog. There's something wrong with my semen. So we're trying to, but they won't give us any.
00:37:34
Speaker
Maybe you've got too many kids. And they're standing in like this beautiful like desert landscapes like the sky is so big over them a lot of this movie is shot very low and kind of up making things look like imposing beautiful um shot of ah the Arizona family or the the couple.
00:37:55
Speaker
When it keeps cutting down to them, when H.I. is in the nursery, like the camera's almost on the ground and like everything is perfectly symmetrical with the two of them sitting in these chairs next to each other. um Just little things like that. It's like, it's crazy to me that this was their second movie.
00:38:10
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um yeah They've got so much visually locked in in this movie. And apparently they had Everything storyboarded, everything laid out very specifically when they started filming because they knew it was like a big movie to make for not a ton of money.
00:38:27
Speaker
And Nicolas Cage wanted to improv and like yeah things and had ideas about the character. And they um they they clashed apparently on the set um because of because of that, which makes sense because like i you know, as ah I mean, I've Okay, technically I have made a film, but I wouldn't call myself a filmmaker. But as a director on stage, like, there are some things that I mean, obviously, you want the actors to be able to bring as much as they can to it. But it's a certain point, like, sometimes you got to move on.
00:39:00
Speaker
You know, like, yeah you only have so much time to get some you only have so much time to get things done. And especially if you're under, especially in film. Yes, and and in in film, it's even more so. They're under the gun to, like, get this done and move on before something else.
00:39:14
Speaker
but Because you have other stuff to do, and you've only got a certain amount of time to do it. um So they clashed on that, but I think that um in and interviews and stuff, like, I watched the commentary on this movie a while ago. I didn't watch it ah for this, but say um they talk fondly of one another. um That's good.
00:39:31
Speaker
When I think there's, like, bad blood, it was just little... it was just a little um there they they they came at it from different angles you know yeah yeah yeah exactly i think that they're two different types of artists like the coen brothers it sounds like they're very like they they have they're very like type a in terms of like they have like a vision they have like a structure they want to place their actors in their vision and it look like what they have in their brain versus like lucy lucy lucy does what he does which is
00:40:04
Speaker
whatever valuable in another way uh i mean this is this is the second nicholas nicholas cage maybe we talked about on this podcast which surprised me that that would happen on the pod yeah oh oh boy that mean he's made some straight up rom-coms that we haven't talked about That's true. That's actually true.
00:40:24
Speaker
um But like I was, and Charlie was just, when I told him that we were watching, he was, he was excited because he, he like had like seen the beginning of this. He'd never finished it. um And he was like, yeah, I've really wanted to watch this movie for a while.
00:40:35
Speaker
And he was, and he was like another Nicolas Cage. And I was like, I know. Who would have guessed two Nicolas Cage on this pod? Two Nicolas Cage movies from the same year. Yeah.
00:40:48
Speaker
Both 22 years old. I mean, I'm not sure exactly when his birthday is, but they both shot in 86, which means he could have. He would have been 22 or maybe 23, depending on when he shot. Yeah.
00:41:00
Speaker
He was a baby. I'm sorry. 21 or 22 depending on when they shot it yeah yeah yeah he's born in 64 he's born in 64 he's so much younger than you think like when he was in those movies in the 90s he was only like 33 34 why does he look so old it's I mean he's always looked old he's one of those actors there's a lot of actors like that he looks older than he is like I wouldn't I would say he looks like he's in his 20s here but I would say late 20s yeah I honestly thought it was late twenty s I thought he was like 29 as well yeah yeah
00:41:32
Speaker
um he is uh yeah because he did because i mean he's a coppola right um um everyone knows that uh he had been in he had had some very small parts his first role is fast times at ridgemont high actually oh yeah i remember that he's in like one scene basically yeah yeah um but they um um but then i think he gets valley girl is the is the hit that he's in before before this he is in Yeah, he's got very, very small parts in a couple of Coppola movies in... um
00:42:04
Speaker
um and God, sorry. Rumblefish and to The Cotton Club. And then he has a big part in Peggy Sue Got Married, which is another Coppola movie.
00:42:15
Speaker
um And then this. so Yeah. And then then he's off. This is the first time he's playing an adult. Like he's teenager in those other movies. Let me, hold on. When was his first action movie?
00:42:27
Speaker
When did he become Nick Cage? That's what I the 90s. think it was, it might've been Con Air because he does this, he does Moonstruck. Does he get nominated for an Oscar for Moonstruck? He should have if he didn't. I'm pretty sure he did.
00:42:40
Speaker
He has um ah the Lynch movie um with Laura Dern, which is called um ah Wild at Heart. He does Wild at Heart, you I think, which 90. And then Honeymoon in Vegas is maybe. And then he wins an Oscar in or for Leaving Las Vegas, which is drama And then after that, I think it's, I think it's asked after the Oscar that he starts doing out action movies. He does Con Air, The Rock, Face Off. Then It Could Happen to You. it could Happen to You, a rom-com. yeah Yeah, we will definitely do It Could Happen to You on this, on this podcast at some point. The late 90s is when he starts becoming, because it's, yeah, exactly what you said. It's Con Air, Face Off, The Rock, Snake Eyes, eight millimeter Gone in 60 Seconds. Well, Snake Eyes is not an action movie. Snake Eyes is a,
00:43:30
Speaker
weird Brian De Palma nightmare. Captain Corrale's mandolin. You know, so many action movies. We talked about Captain Corrale's mandolin on this podcast.
00:43:42
Speaker
Made by the guy who made Shakespeare National trevor Treasure. Great movie. Yeah. The Wicker Man. Ghost Rider. Oh, Ghost Rider. Yeah. He yeah starts to struggle, I think, in the 2000s.
00:43:56
Speaker
um yeah and Before kind of landing on his... Before landing on his feet again in the past few years, kind of going back to like weird indie movies and horror and stuff. I do have to say, I'm very intrigued for this 2009 film called G-Force.
00:44:13
Speaker
It is an action movie. Yep. Where he plays the role speckles. i that That's a voice role, I think. They're CGI gerbils, I think. Yeah. Or guinea pigs. They're guinea pigs. They're guinea pigs.
00:44:24
Speaker
They're guinea pigs. ah yeah Yeah. Hollywood's a weird place. so you know it It is a weird place and he has not stopped working. Get it Nicolas Cage.
00:44:37
Speaker
No, he has not. I mean, he's very famously had a lot of money problems. He buys a lot of crazy things like dinosaur skulls and giant pyramid ah graves in New Orleans. Super haunted mansions in New Orleans that he can't afford to keep up with. The LaLaurie Mansion.
00:44:53
Speaker
For those of you who are not familiar, so there is a mansion New Orleans. Spooky chat, spooky chat, spooky chat. So there is a very famous mansion in New Orleans, which was once owned by um Madame LaLaurie and her husband. And they were. oh yeah. The famous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah. They were famous pieces of paper. Played by Kathy Bates on American Horror Story. Exactly. Full fucking circle. um Basically, they treated their um their workforce, which were all slaves, ah terribly.
00:45:30
Speaker
And there were rumors. are Well, no, actually, they found out because the house accidentally caught on fire that the husband was doing um experiments on the on his um employees' job.
00:45:42
Speaker
his yeah slaves and his slaves and um like really gross like terrible like human like horror movie like joseph mingle of shit yeah yeah and um they like fled and were never seen again but the house is supposedly super fucking haunted and um he bought it and then he lost it why would you why would you buy that Because he can, I don't know. and It's a beautiful home.
00:46:13
Speaker
But like also the history alone, you're just like, oh, anywhere else. Yeah. In New Orleans, it's filmed with historic houses anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:24
Speaker
Especially not one that's like, i don't want to be haunted by, you know, either the bitch who did all of the experiments or, you know, the people that were experimented on.
00:46:38
Speaker
I assume there's a lot of rage in there and that rage has to go somewhere. um And yeah. maybe hes so Maybe he got cursed. Maybe that's why he made a G-Force.
00:46:50
Speaker
maybete Maybe that's why he made G-Force. I don't know. ah Was that not the place for a joke? I'm sorry. Yeah. No. He bought the LaLaurie mansion and then he got cursed by Madame LaLaurie and her psychotic doctor husband. And um then he had to sell the house and make G-Force to make his money back.
00:47:14
Speaker
g-force and ghost rider and the magician's apprentice the sorcerer's the sorcerer's apprentice yeah um because it was disney was in the disney thing where they're i don't know let's make anything a movie pirates of the caribbean did well
00:47:29
Speaker
Just keep making Haunted Mansion until it works. Yeah. i actually want to say, so my friend, um one last thing about Nicolas Cage before we move on. Oh, yeah, for sure. My friend, um Johnny, who, Johnny Wodge, who lives in Colorado, who's fabulous. He works in film.
00:47:48
Speaker
um He works at, he's worked across Chicago film and ah like just, he's done a bunch of movies as a PA and a second AD and all of that. He worked on a film in, i want to say Estonia.
00:48:01
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. um Starring Nicolas Cage. Which one? um I don't, it was just some movie that. One of those red, but we talked about these, these red box tax shelter movies before. Yeah. Yeah. It was red box movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he said that Nick Cage would come on set. Like it was like a very short shoot.
00:48:19
Speaker
um Nick Cage came on set. He did his job. He was insane, but like he did his job and he left and he was like super pro. Yeah. that's his reputation yeah yeah like he's he is constantly innovating as an actor sometimes that innovation is brilliant and sometimes it's just deranged and that's kind of like his deal but he's not like an asshole and he's not no like and he's not like refusing to leave his trailer and a diva and stuff so i think exactly you know people are happy to cast him yeah yeah yeah
00:48:51
Speaker
He works hard. ah He said it was a great time. I just thought it was so funny. and Eastern Europe is very beautiful. Yes, exactly. And lots of movies are made in Eastern Europe now. Because they are cheap.
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah. Anyways. So yes, back to Raising Arizona. So Glenn tells H.I. that yeah they are swingers and they want a wife swap.
00:49:16
Speaker
yeah And H.I. does not take that well and attacks him. Nope. ah yeah chasing him off where he runs into a cactus like Wile Coyote. And breaks his nose.
00:49:28
Speaker
um Because they keep saying, like, you broke his nose. I mean, the man ran into a cactus. He did it himself. Yeah. But the guy also sucks. I mean, he was chasing him, saying, get away from my wife. so Yeah.
00:49:41
Speaker
Yeah. um He's also his boss, so he's now going to lose his job. um And there's this scene in the car where she's, like, asking him, it's like, why would you do that? What have you done? Like, why? and he And he's like. Why would you just tell her?
00:49:54
Speaker
i Because I think that he doesn't want her to like lose Dot as a friend maybe? don't know. Or like think badly of them. Like the thing about H.I. is that he is very kind and um and he always puts Ed first and all ah in every opportunity to do this. um Very sweet.
00:50:16
Speaker
Which is like this subversion of this idiot redneck like ah um convenience store ah robber that you would expect from other movies.
00:50:28
Speaker
um And that's the that's what makes the and that's the Coen Brothers like touch. Right. It's like yeah complicating a this genre staple right you take this genre movie with very specific characters and stereotypes and story beats and then just kind of like tweak everything a little bit to make it a little bit weirder usually yeah yeah yeah um and then it's the best that's And then there's the best scene in the movie where they're coming home and um Junior needs diapers.
00:50:56
Speaker
yeah um There's this very sweet scene later where they're calling him Junior because his name is Nathan Junior, but they don't want to admit that. And at one point she called says, well, it'll be h i Jr. And then he tells the others, well, it's it'll be Ed Jr. Because he says, well, ed's a Ed's a girl name. He says, well, he can be Edward. I want to name him after her.
00:51:18
Speaker
Like, they both want to name the kid after each other. Which is very sweet. um He goes to get diapers, but he knows he's going to lose his job. So they go to a convenience store. He says, you stay and stay in the car and keep your seatbelt on.
00:51:32
Speaker
He goes and he gets the diapers and it some pantyhose, pulls the pantyhose on his head. It's like, all right, I'll take the huggies and whatever you got in the register and pulls out a gun. um and holly hunter sees this is like that son of a bitch yeah she leaves at him alone at the convenience store drives off the clerk pulls out a gun and starts shooting yeah um cops come he saying he hits a he hits ah an emergency button the cops come immediately yeah um which is crazy
00:52:04
Speaker
yep and this extended like chase scene shootout happens where yeah this man was trying to rob diapers and maybe a couple hundred dollars and everyone is out to murder him for it which is accurate unfortunately bunch of dogs a bunch of dogs oh my god dogs the grocery store clerk and it kind of it runs on and on and on in this very again wily coyote roadrunner or i guess woody i'm not super familiar with woody woodpecker cartoons woody woodpecker kind of way where he is just running with this big thing yeah of diapers he's running down the street the cops are chasing him just shooting into people's homes yeah um he runs through these people's house the cops are chasing after him like
00:52:53
Speaker
And the camera, at this point, the camera gets really high, like yeah security cam footage almost. Like in the house, it's super distorted. I think it's like, it's this big anamorphic lens. It kind of goes up in the corner and you see them like running through these people's house yeah while the while the unpainted furniture commercial is playing, off of course.
00:53:12
Speaker
And they're playing this yodeling thing, which repeats throughout this movie. It's it's almost like the the old Yahoo commercial. Yeah.
00:53:23
Speaker
ah But it's really long. i's got this banjo underneath it. And it rules. It's great. he run He loses the diapers at one point in the street. He runs to another grocery store where he's running through the grocery store, gets more diapers, and the The people at the grocery store start firing on him.
00:53:43
Speaker
There's seemingly an endless number of women in curlers in the group yep and the grocery store. um goes through He goes through a yard and this dog starts chasing him and then all these other dogs start chasing him.
00:53:56
Speaker
yeah um If you'll notice, the the yodeling in the grocery store is playing over the grocery store PA all a Oh, noticed that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was great. It was great. Um, they get to, uh, yeah, he finally throws the diapers at a, at the cop, uh, knocking him down and he gets out onto the street.
00:54:15
Speaker
He, uh, flags down a man in a truck who tells him, boy, you got a panty on your head. Yeah. Um, they are, are driving. And then we keep cutting back to Holly Hunter and the kid who are, she just keeps repeating son of a bitch driving away.
00:54:30
Speaker
They pass each other. She turns around the The teenager from the from this convenience store is still chasing them with the gun, shoots the truck that they're in.
00:54:41
Speaker
he um jumps out, gets back in the car, and they get away. Yep. But not before grabbing the diapers. Well, that's the thing. He's like, turn right, turn left, honey. um And she's just yelling at him. He's like, turn left, right here. And then he opens the door and scoops the diapers up. It's like this perfect little button on this whole sequence. It's great.
00:55:01
Speaker
it's It's probably the most famous scene from this movie. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolute chaos, but like filmed so precisely. um Yeah. It's so, yeah, it's, it's, it's so fun. It's so, it's so unique for this, for this era, especially. Yeah.
00:55:19
Speaker
Oh, for sure. Then what happens? Oh, um yeah. So John Goodman and Bill Forsythe, who are these brothers who are bigger idiots than H.I. Yep. And they want to rob a bank.
00:55:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. They want to rob a bank. That's all I know is that they want to rob a bank. I keep trying to throw the plot over to you, but you don't remember. that yeah ah No, not as well as you do.
00:55:43
Speaker
I just know that they want to rob a bank. And then um while they're telling him that that they should all rob the bank together, um his boss comes over and he's just like, I just want to tell you that you're fired!
00:56:01
Speaker
and ah He goes, what? like a neck brace on. Yeah. yeah He's like, i kind of assumed that, but he's like, yeah, well, I just had to come over and tell you. Also, I know that that baby, that baby junior in there, that's not Ed junior. That's not H.I. junior.
00:56:15
Speaker
ah That, that baby is Nathan junior. You stole that baby. And, um, and of course, Nick Cage can't lie. And he just immediately goes, now, calm down. Now, calm down. Now, calm down. Let's, ah let's just talk about this.
00:56:31
Speaker
And of course, as they're having this conversation where he's basically admitting, admitting that they stole this rich guy's baby, which there's a reward for, $25,000 now. yeah Exactly.
00:56:43
Speaker
ah ah John Goodman and his brother have been watching this entire thing and he goes in and they immediately are like, well, this baby's ours now and we're going to tie you up because we're going to go get this money.
00:56:55
Speaker
Okay, bye. Glenn wants the baby too. Like Glenn is not going to turn them in. Glenn is blackmailing him, telling him Dot wants another baby to cuddle. So give us the baby. You're going to give us the baby tomorrow. That's the ultimatum that he gives him.
00:57:09
Speaker
Yeah, which is insane. absolutely insane everybody wants this baby everybody wants this baby i'm around this time around this time the demon but oh yeah um fun fact yeah katie's fun in fact katie's fun fact the baby in the poster for this movie not in the movie but the baby on the poster is max bemis who's max bemis say anything
00:57:38
Speaker
oh yeah okay I get it. Because his father designed the poster. So that he used the photo of him. yeah He was like free labor. Exactly. um yeah So um ah Say Anything was an emo band from the early two thousand s or Really an emo person.
00:57:59
Speaker
I mean, I guess there was a band, but it was mostly him. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he was the one that everyone wanted to make out with. Yeah. There's still around. Yeah. Yeah. Say anything? Say anything's still around. Yeah. They're still playing Riot Fest.
00:58:10
Speaker
Yeah. There's a yellow cat and a red cat or something like that. By the time that we end this, I'm going to have a southern accent from doing all these impressions. It never goes away. This is what happens whenever I'm on the phone or hang out with my... my college friends.
00:58:25
Speaker
Charlie goes, you get your Texan accent, your your your accent's coming back, you got an accent. I never had an accent. Yeah, there's a guy at work, there's a 65 year old Kentucky man named Dan at work who everyone adores.
00:58:39
Speaker
And yeah, yeah when when I hang out with him, like I start to start to drop some G's and yeah, yep. And start you sound on this other yeah, i mean, like, again, like I do regret it.
00:58:50
Speaker
um But I spent a long time in my teenage years trying to like eradicate my accent and then yeah literal voice classes um in in college, learning how to speak you know, neutrally or correctly or whatever. But there's a lot of character to that. I do sometimes wish that I had more of my Southern accent. I am, I say, we've talked about this on the show before, but I say lawyer.
00:59:17
Speaker
um Yeah. and yeah sort of I love how you say a lawyer. And that's, ah that's, that's one of the only things. Liar. je yeah a Liar. Liar and sawyer. Well, cause they practice the law, not the loy.
00:59:32
Speaker
Anyways.
00:59:36
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of So John Goodman and his brother steal the baby. They tie up H.I. um And this all while Holly Hunter is out trying to figure out doctor stuff and try to find a pediatrician. The demon biker.
00:59:51
Speaker
The demon biker. Yes. Is also trying to get the baby. The demon biker goes to Nathan Arizona's office and meets with him and tells him, $25,000 isn't enough for a baby. um There are plenty of people who pay more for a baby.
01:00:05
Speaker
I myself was worth $50,000 something, in sell him to someone else. yeah yeah and says so so give me fifty thousand dollars and i'll get the baby otherwise i'll get the baby and i'll sell him to someone else
01:00:23
Speaker
Which is insane. And Nathan Arizona, like Nathan Arizona is not the villain of this movie. Like no he's not, I mean, he's not like a good person, but he's not like a bad person either.
01:00:35
Speaker
Like he's like, you're like, what are you fucking kidding? No way. Get out of my office. Yeah. Get out of here. have the whole FBI looking for this baby. Yeah. Um, and, um, so he kicks him out and he's like, well, you'll, he disappears. he Yeah. He disappears with a puff of smoke. Basically. It's what happened. Yeah.
01:00:53
Speaker
um when he accuses him of stealing the baby in the first place um john goodman and bill forsyth uh have got the baby and instantly fall in love with the baby uh they start calling him gale jr yep it's very very cute which is john goodman's name in the movie yeah um they go to rob the bank uh they don't want to leave the baby in the car so they bring the baby with them yes um but they're stupid and don't rob the bank successfully they get the money but there's a There's a little like, again, cartoonishly large, like yeah big giant cylinder that says like paint bomb or something that they put in there, like in these big burlap sacks that basically have dollars painted on them. It's yep.
01:01:37
Speaker
The movie, like, that's the thing. The movie, like, starts off, I mean, it's never really, like, 100% realistic, but it starts yeah off at a certain stable point, and by the end of this movie, it is 100% a cartoon. Like, completely off the rails.
01:01:51
Speaker
This last sequence is completely outside the realm of of reality. Yeah. They leave the baby on top of the roof of the car and they drive away and the baby's fine. He's just in the middle of the road.
01:02:04
Speaker
then they have to like turn around. Would not happen, but they're so upset. They're like, I thought you put the baby in the car. I thought you put, and they're both just screaming and crying for like a full minute.
01:02:15
Speaker
drag Turning around and driving back to get him. Oh, they do it twice. Yeah. They do it at a convenience store first. Yeah. And then they do it again after they rob the bank um because they're very stupid.
01:02:26
Speaker
The second time they leave him, however, the paint bomb explodes. They're covered in paint. Yep. Ed and H.I. find them. And, oh, and Ed tells H.I. that we're done. Like, we this has ruined our relationship. where're we're break forward but We're getting a divorce after this. Yeah.
01:02:46
Speaker
Yeah. And ah they're like, we we left him in the street. And they go back and the demon biker has found ah the baby and has yeah strapped him in the car seat to the front of his motorcycle.
01:02:59
Speaker
Jesus Christ. Then we get this final shootout. This insane, like, he's got grenades and shotguns and is just shooting everywhere. um And the baby is never worried.
01:03:17
Speaker
The baby doesn't cry um except, like, at the very beginning yeah of the movie. The only time the baby ever cries is in the nursery, right? Like, yeah once he's with H.I. and Ed, he never cries throughout the entire movie. Yeah.
01:03:33
Speaker
He's perfectly calm. It's just the happiest baby in the world. I have a question about the final shootout because there is a a moment between demon biker and a i where um they're, you know, fighting it out. And then you see that demon biker also has a Woody Woodpecker tattoo and it sort of matches H.I.' 's tattoo. And um then I had this whole existential moment.
01:03:55
Speaker
I was sober. I was not in an edible, um but I had a whole existential moment where i was just like, wait, is the demon biker H.I. in the future? like is that just like his alter ego is that his father like what what does that mean i think it's this idea of like what he could have become if he didn't have this this family unit as they call it in the movie like it's this it's this premonition because he dreamed of him right it's this premonition of the life that he would have gone down if he had continued
01:04:28
Speaker
robbing places and getting like because again he's never hurt anybody the time but he keeps getting released from jail because he keeps robbing these places without any bullets in the gun yeah but he puts bullets in there's this whole moment where um you know when ed rescues him at the finds him at the house like he's putting bullets in the guns and he's like we gotta go we gotta go save this baby yeah um so he does like start to choose violence at that point but um i think he recognizes that like if he didn't have ed if he didn't have you know, this briefly, this baby, like if he didn't have these positive things in his life, he would end up like the demon biker. That's what I think. I don't think there's a specific, I haven't read that anywhere. i don't think there's a specific. No, I just, just seems
01:05:11
Speaker
It's whatever you want it to mean, I think. Yeah, exactly. Cause I was just like, I just had a thousand, um my Rolodex of like possibilities were just like going through my brain and I'm just like, what is it exactly that they're trying to say? But that, that makes the most sense.
01:05:23
Speaker
um like you can't be this this cartoon forever before you get corrupted right and then you're gonna kill yourself yeah but like not literally but like figuratively by um exploding the demon biker yeah exactly yeah um He, yeah, he pulls, he's got these grenades on his on his ah chest and H.I. pulls the pins out of them when he's like got him close.
01:05:53
Speaker
And he explodes, um which good. He deserved that. Exactly. And then, you know. was going to that baby. He was going to sell that baby. Presumably he has before. He's got bronze baby shoes hanging on his belt like ah like a trophy. See, that's when my brain started going down the sort of like existential route of like, but is maybe that maybe he is HI's father. And this is like, you know, he's looking at what he could have become. He could have become his father. And those are HI's baby shoes like that he carries around with him. like But I don't think it's that.
01:06:25
Speaker
deep I think he's too young because he says he was born in 1954. Yeah. And Nicolas Cage... yeah and nicholas cage i mean this is 87 so that means that that man would only be 33 years old so he wouldn't be old enough to have that's true so so my whole like theory isn't yeah but like this movie is not realistic so i don't think that's really like i don't i think that that's just where my brain went in the moment i was sort of like uh it's not that deep emma uh don't do that or maybe it's deeper
01:06:57
Speaker
Maybe it's deeper, deeper, as they say in France. um Do they? They say deeper.
01:07:08
Speaker
But yeah. And so then they, they have the baby and they, you know, very smartly and bravely decide to return the baby back to its rightful home.
01:07:19
Speaker
And, um, yeah, Nathan Arizona or what the guy, whatever the na guy's name is, um walks in on them with a gun because everybody in Arizona has a gun. And they're standing probably at over this, the giant crib where they have deposited um Nathan Jr. And ah he's just, you know, at first it it seems like, oh, well, they're playing it off for the money, you know, for the reward money, which is how H.I. starts to play it.
01:07:50
Speaker
ah Well, he says, you know, i um, ah there was this demon man, this biker coming in. He says, well, we, that's the one who, that's who we took him from. Yeah. That's who we saved it from. Yeah.
01:08:02
Speaker
Versus like saying, yeah, we kidnapped your baby. We're returning it. Um, after this whole nonsense. Um, and, and so he's like, do you want, well, you know, there's a, there's a reward money. And Ed says, we don't want the reward money. Well, he tries to give them store credit at the furniture store instead. He's like, I'd much rather do that because of taxes.
01:08:25
Speaker
Yeah. And they're like, we don't we don't want the money. um Yeah. And she's like, I just want to look at him a little bit longer. yeah And he's like, you took the baby.
01:08:37
Speaker
And they're like, yeah, but we weren't going to give him to anybody or anything. We just, might we can't have children and we wanted we wanted a baby. And it's very sweet scene where he like empathizes with these yeah these these people where nathan empathizes with these people and he's like yeah i mean like we couldn't have baby either like that's why we took all these fertility drugs and ended up having five which is what happens i mean that's why people have like you know sex tablets or whatever it's because they're they're unable to have one baby yeah yeah um oh god octobomb um and uh
01:09:15
Speaker
And he forgives them, ah basically. And he's like, you have to keep trying. Like, if if it's meant to happen, something will happen. You know, maybe you'll get approved for adoption. Or maybe, yeah you know, maybe something else will happen. um And and he lets them go. Yeah. And then there's this beautiful, like, closing scene where they're sleeping. Oh, and he says, oh, he says, but were I think we're getting divorced. And he's like, well, don't do something stupid like that. He says, before you do that, sleep on it.
01:09:42
Speaker
And that cuts to them in bed sleeping. And he's like, and I had, and I had this dream and he has this dream about what happens to everybody. And he's like, I dreamed that, um, John Goodman and and Bill Forsyth went back to prison. but Maybe they weren't ready for life on the outside. And he says that I dreamed that, that Glenn told one joke too far and it shows him like talking to a police officer and it cuts the police officer's name tag and says Kowalski.
01:10:07
Speaker
Yeah. Um, and ah he yeah And he says that, and i and I dreamed that there was this old couple and they were visited by their their children and their children's children. And it was this yeah big, beautiful family. and And was that us? I don't know, but it's, you know...
01:10:26
Speaker
um But it's nice to think about it. that I didn't write down exactly what the the line is or something. but um it's nice to like yeah It's nice to imagine or it's nice to envision or something like that. Which is just like very sweet. And we sort of end it on this sort of sweet note of like that could happen to them.
01:10:44
Speaker
That could be their future. yeah yeah To be like it's this perfect balance of like this ludicrously silly like cartoon plot and then the the very real like human emotions in it at the same time.
01:10:59
Speaker
Yeah. And about like love and forgiveness. And I um like it lot. Yeah. Charlie's Corner isn't that extensive, but I will do it just for the theme song.
01:11:12
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Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. I come up. um He enjoyed it.
01:11:23
Speaker
It's always that. It's like yeah this big build up to Charlie's Corner. and It's like he liked it. He liked it. um He said more, but I didn't write it down because I got tired of... Sure, sure. Yeah, he he told me a story about how he watched it because it was on BBC once.
01:11:38
Speaker
He started watching it, but then he stopped watching it because he just, like, I don't think he was in the mood for something that that off, like, weird. And he's glad that he we went back and we watched the whole thing.
01:11:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think he said some other deep things about it, but I don't, I don't, I don't know.
01:12:00
Speaker
It's not his podcast. If he wants to talk about it, he can get his own podcast. Yeah, exactly. Or he could guest, which he refuses to do. Exactly.
Humorous Scenes and Movie Praise
01:12:07
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to see if there's anything else.
01:12:12
Speaker
ah the the and The little notes I wrote down. um the teen with the gun it shows him in the dream and he's reading a magazine called Jugs dougs and the cover says tits times two I'm like that's how tits come exactly what I Charlie and I noticed that too we're like tits times two but does that mean two or four yeah it comes in multiples of two yeah usually tits times two so I guess maybe like it's like
01:12:47
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. um There's also a scene where he is trying to explain to him, to the, to the idiot boys that he doesn't want to rob a bank with them. And he's like, well, the, you know, the, the kid needs things. And ah Bill Forsyth goes, what's he need is dip tet.
01:13:06
Speaker
Talk a dip tet. Diptheria and tetanus. I don't know what that is. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It was the eighties. Things were different. Yeah. Things were different. Um, so yeah, Raising Arizona.
01:13:20
Speaker
That's Raising Arizona, baby. Perfect movie. No notes. It was great. I enjoyed it. It was a fun time. I think I like that we talked about it. I think that made me like it even more than when I first watched it.
01:13:33
Speaker
um It's, you know, Coen Brothers, you gotta, you gotta let you gotta let it marinate. You gotta, you gotta let simmer. For sure.
Discussing 'The Hudsucker Proxy'
01:13:41
Speaker
You know, stuff will come up to the surface. how I felt about the whatever proxy movie.
01:13:47
Speaker
The Hudsucker proxy. Yeah. The Hudsucker proxy. Yeah. yeah yeah um The Hudsucker Proxy not one of their most loved movies by most people other than me that's one of my favorites I think that's the first Coen Brothers movie I watched and it's because I was just like I love everything about what this says Jennifer Jason Leigh is playing like a Catherine Hepburn Rosalind Russell kind of character it's so fun it's super fun it's super dumb it's great it's great
01:14:18
Speaker
um So next week, next week we are going to do we're going to go back to some like nonsense rom-com nonsense. Sure.
Upcoming Movie Plans and Wrap-up
01:14:27
Speaker
Starring two of our faves, Hugh Grant and Sandy Bullock.
01:14:32
Speaker
We're going to do two weeks notice. Okay. All right. problematic we have done so many sandy bullock movies already i know it's funny i think it's like the fourth sandy bullock movie we've done we've only done one julia so many yeah yeah i know but like julia's have a little bit like she's in so many like nonsense like popcorn rom-com films i feel like we've done two julia's we've done two julia's Yeah, Mystic Pizza and Notting Hill.
01:15:02
Speaker
But I mean, like hers are a little bit more substantial. um And I feel like after the thinker that was Raising Arizona, let's watch some nonsense. and Yeah. All right. Yeah.
01:15:13
Speaker
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01:15:29
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01:15:43
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01:15:56
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