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She's the Man
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Emma & Katie talk the teen Shakespeare romcom She's the Man, and get into Millemial nonsense, opening night flowers, The 10th Kingdom, kissing with tongue, childhood trauma, and, of course, "purewhole."
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Revisiting Nostalgia: Movies and Music from the 2000s
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I just want to apologize
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for making you watch this movie. Oh my God. I've seen this movie a million times. I love this movie. I do too. No apologies necessary. Yeah. It's just in my grown up hindsight, rewatching it.
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Some things don't particularly age well. And some things. 2006. Yeah. it's That's very goddamn 20 years ago. Yeah. Shut up.
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ah Oh my gosh. Did I tell you that the little, um, the 15 year old in my show made me a playlist? No, what's on it. Um, it's like all my chemical romance.
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And then there's some Alice in Chains. Alice in Chains. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. She really, she was, she was a millennial and, um, yeah.
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So not like, listen, old lady, here's the songs the kids are listening to. No, no, she made me like a mixtape. It was like more like a mixtape of like songs that my character, she feels like my character, um inspires. And I was like, this very sweet.
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and so That is very sweet. Yeah,
Absurd Animation and Evolving Humor
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I love it. um And she, I've been educating her on millennial ways. I showed her Robot Chicken, which she loved.
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Oh, God. Yeah. And we yeah told her about Aqua Teen Hunger Force, which she also loved. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. um And then. Early 2000s absurd animation comedy. Yeah. Right.
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Absurd. and There are some things like Aqua Teen Hunger Force is like stuck in my brain. There are some things that are that I still say from Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Yeah. Sometimes I forget that they're from, like I say, step directly on that all the time, which is from Aqua Teen Hunger Force. But I didn't remember that until somebody pointed it out to me. So there's yeah stuff like that. It's just like, it was such like a bizarre time in like adult animation.
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and adult swim yeah yeah it's just like aqua team hunger force and like the tim and eric show and like ah robot chicken and um space ghost coast to coast like all of those things yeah just so the venture brothers was my favorite the venture brothers oh i loved the venture brothers so much um it was all it also There's some stuff in the Venture Brothers that doesn't hold up great. There's a lot of like yeah gay ah panic stuff and some like, you know, just generally calling people gay it mostly is what it is.
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But yeah overall that show, I rewatched the whole thing um a couple of years yeah ago. Great. Like it's a great show and it continued to be, it didn't end until like two years ago.
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um Really? and I need to go back and rewatch it. um think its It gets better and better um as it goes. Yeah. I need to really go to Raw Chat because I loved that show so much. But like, it's just that that kind of humor and that kind of comedy, you just, you don't see it anymore. It's like a lot of it is so DIY.
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and yeah yeah. I mean, I think Adult Swim still turn still does stuff. I think Adult Swim still puts out like weird people in Atlanta making shit in a closet.
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But it's just not, everything is so diluted. like yeah we just don't see it anymore um because there's too much of everything else like crowding out oh for sure the uh the the culture you know um not to disagree with lana del rey but the culture is not lit y'all no it is not lit wait lana del rey and i'm not having a ball it's the culture is lit and i'm having a ball it's from um uh what song is that i don't remember Miss
Riot Grrrl Movement and Generational Comedy Differences
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Americana.
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I don't know. No, that's Taylor Swift. ah
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Yeah, no, um but ah this is all to say that like she's doing her AP um seminar project on the Riot Grrrl movement, and like, oh my god, I love this. And Jeremy gave her a book about um Riot Grrrls, and like i I asked her, I was like, have you, well, first I confused Rilo Kiley and Sleater Kinney, and I felt ashamed.
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Oh, sure, and yeah. um I corrected myself. And I was like, Sleater Kinney, like, would you say like, you know, because she needs like another source. And I was like, Carrie Brownstein has a book out. She's got an autobiography. So you could easily use that as a source.
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um And I was like, you know, Carrie Brownstein. She's like, I've never heard of these people. And I was like, Portlandia. And she's like, I've never seen Portlandia. So I showed her Portlandia. I showed her the classic Portlandia sketch.
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Put a bird on it. Sure. Uh-huh. Yeah. this little is that is that funny though i mean like is so much like it well yeah because she does there's no there's no reference point like it's not something that i mean the point of the thing about comedy is that like so much comedy is about popular culture and like current culture like it doesn't hold up more than like a few years past the past the air date especially something like that that's so specific like indie kid like culture like you don't see bird you don't see birds on it anymore they don't put they stop putting birds on it so that sketch on it look at this sad little bird look at this sad little tote let's put a bird on it
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But like, I think the best part of that comedy sketch is that at the end, an actual bird flies into the shop and they try to kill it. And I think I thought that that was so funny. But like she turned to me afterwards. I watched her watch it and she turned to me and she goes, that wasn't funny.
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It's probably not. It's probably not funny. Yeah. I was like, oh, but like as all the millennials in the dressing room were quoting it. Yeah, I've seen very little Portlandia, actually. um It never really clicked.
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It never really clicked with me. Yeah, it was one of those things where I was like, no. It was my jam. It was my jam. Yeah. um Oh,
Evolution of Young Adult Literature
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and so Charlie, ah so we open on Friday, and Charlie is coming opening night. and um Of course.
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Of course. and With flowers, I assume. We'll see, Katie, because we're riding together to the theater. no. oh okay well one car and we live in a place that's true i and so he's just coming to me to my call i get there like at 5 30 because fight calls at 6 30 the show is open at 7 30 so i want to get there to like get ready and it's like like a cast of like 22 people and so like i well he's got two hours to go and get flowers and come back yeah exactly you know what he said he was this is going to air a full month after this is going to air after the show is already closed so um
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and We're going to find out. Yeah. He said, I'll just take my iPad and play games in the theater. And so i was like, I guess my five-year-old husband is coming. Another husband is sitting down the row from him. has got you got You got games on your phone?
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yeah You got some games? um and i have my I remember my nephew was so disappointed me I have no games on my phone. I have nothing for children on my phone whatsoever. don't like games. I don't like games on my phone.
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yeah I like games.
Analyzing 'She's the Man': Plot and Performance
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I like games on a on a game. i don't like games on my phone. It's not like it's a different thing. yeah You like board games and stuff, though.
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I do like board games, yes. And i I bring my embroidery to work on in the small moments that I'm not on stage. um That's what I should do. and want to get Somebody asked me... my My 50-something-year-old Gen X ah co-worker man asked me.
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there's like He's the only straight man who works at that store. it's Anyway, yeah neither here nor there. But he asked me, like what's something that you wish that you spent more time on that you could get good at? And um and I told him, like piano and embroidery.
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And there's a keyboard right there. And there's like my embroidery stuff right over there. I can see them both from here. yeah And like yeah I just don't do either of them. that's that ADHD baby I know but I'm on Adderall now so I have the I have the energy and the and the focus I am reading three books at once again so I don't know how that happened wait what are you reading because I was in I was in a different mood each time so I'm rereading a book from my childhood and I'm only reading that like occasionally so I'm only like it's like I think I might have talked about it on this podcast it might have been a different anamorphs um it's
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No, no, but I i do love Animorphs. ah This is called, it's called Sabriel by Garth Nix. um It's like a fantasy um from the, I think it's from the 90s. But it's a trilogy ah that I was super into when I was like, you know, 10 years old.
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And um it totally holds up. It's really good. And it's also like, it would I don't know if they would if it came out now. I'm not sure if it would be in the kids section. like there's like i mean I guess there's it's like it's a teen book. It's a YA book.
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But when I was a kid, YA wasn't really... I mean, there is sex in it, yeah. When there's... when When we were kids, YA wasn't like a separate genre. Like by the time we were teenagers, yes. Like by the time we were teenagers, like YA had become a thing.
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But like when I was like eight, nine, there was no YA. It was kids books and adult books. And like the Golden Compass and this and other stuff like that would definitely be considered like teen books now.
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But I was reading them when I was like seven years old. And you would have to find them in the adult section. Like I remember when Harry Potter came out, it was in the adult section. um Really? Well, actually, when I remember, I remember asking to read it at the library and them telling me that there was a, like, five-page long wait list. And I said, screw this.
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That sounds right. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. It's it's weird. I have... um i You and I were, like, the perfect age for Harry Potter because, like, I was... Well, I won't say how old I was when Harry Potter came out.
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But um ah the perfect age for Harry Potter and got super into Harry Potter. I was at the beach with ah with my grandparents and my parents and stuff.
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And in we were at Daytona Beach in Florida. And I read in Entertainment Weekly about Harry Potter And I was like, I need to get this book now. or And like the next day, like we went into like, I think it was a Books a Million or something. And I had to ask people for it. And they like, they hadn't heard of it.
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Like they didn't know what it was. seriously Oh, yeah. Because it it had just come out. Like the American edition had literally just come out like maybe like earlier that year. I think. I don't know. I don't remember. This was the summer. But it just it hadn't. Yeah.
00:10:57
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Yeah, no, nobody had heard of it. And even by the time the second book came out, um ah but yeah, so they had to go find it and they had one hardcover copy left and it wasn't in paperback yet. And that is why I have like a first edition of um of the first Harry Potter, but first American edition of the first Harry Potter book.
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um But anyway, ah fuck J.K. Rowling. um What a horrible person. Speaking of things that are vaguely transphobic, shall we get into this movie?
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You know, i don't know if this is transphobic. um I was worried because like... Yeah. You have to give it... Well, we'll get into it. So... Yeah. Here we are, guys.
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You guessed it. This is... Go get your girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie, they live in this weird Shakespearean modern world.
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And... um Don't ask questions about how everything works. ah They love soccer and the girls team gets cut. So they have to pretend to be a boy because their twin brother looks a lot like them.
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So they go to the rival school and become a boy, join the soccer team and work their way up all while falling in love. with a very, very young, acne-covered Channing Tatum.
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That's right, guys. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. Become a boy is doing a lot of work in that synopsis there. um That suggests some kind of magic.
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um That's not what happens. Oh boy. Oh boy. So, yeah. What actually happens is... Anyway, so... A wig. We're talking about we' are talking about the in my notes, very 2006.
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She's the man. Very 2006.
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she is the man and Yes. ah Directed by Andy Fickman, who ah has directed. It's got a real filmography on them on him. This guy, the game plan and Paul Blart Mall Cop, not one, but two.
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He did not direct the original Paul Blart Mall Cop. He only directed Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. yeah Is it called Paul Blart Mall Cop More Blart?
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Or Blartier? I think it's just called Paul Blart Mall Cop 2. They really fumbled without giving it a subtitle. i know. I haven't seen either Paul Blart Mall Cop ah movie. no it's just called it's just called Paul Blart Mall Cop 2.
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um Yeah, so But he also directed the movie version Of the Reefer Madness musical um and the Staged, like, filming Of the Heathers musical movie, which I haven't seen I have seen that. And it's it's okay. it wasn't It wasn't my favorite casting for that.
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Mostly because I love the OG off-Broadway and then I also really love um the OG West End. But i I love Heather's the musical. It's one of my favorite musicals of all time, but I also love Heather's the movie, which sure I had like a shoe in.
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um I was a shoe in audience member for that. um And I will go see it when it comes back to off Broadway in the next year or so. Oh, is it going to? Yeah, it's coming back.
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Cause they did a lot of reworking when it was in the West end. um it was very successful very very successful um which is the production that that they filmed and um it just i just really loved the og cast of that that it was hard for me you know when you like watch a show and someone plays it like they were all really talented and great and they were fantastic yeah not to say that they weren't great i just really wanted carrie hope fletcher and she wasn't there That's how i feel about Hadestown. Yeah, the off-Broadway recording of Hadestown is so much better than the the Broadway version to me. um And it feels like jarring every time I hear ah version that's not the the off-Broadway version.
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um Yes, but this movie written by um so it's got a story credit and a separate screenplay credit by Ewan Leslie, which this is the only thing he's got a writing credit for.
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um And then it has the the the word and, so rewrites the final screenplay written by Karen McCullough and Kirsten Smith, our girls, who wrote Legally Blonde, 10 Things I Hate About You, Ella Enchanted.
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um yeah This, the house bunny And then the ugly truth And then nothing since Nothing else So they because that really had like
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Yeah I haven't seen it But i it's basically like the death of the rom-com The ugly truth is the We'll do it on this pod we'll do it on oh for sure, for sure, yeah yeah yeah um But they i they they I think they have a I'm not sure if it's a story or if they actually got screenplay credits on the new Legally Blonde movie But um yeah, we'll see But they, I mean, that's a good run Like Legally Blonde, 10 Things I Hate About You Ella Enchanted and She's the Man are all, I think they're all pretty good The House Bunny too, the House Bunny's cute Oh yeah, those are all Y2K chick flick classics Yeah That have gone down in the history books Yeah, She's the Man and the House Bunny Not as good as Legally Blonde, 10 Things I Hate About You and Ella Enchanted Which I think are all like great movies Yeah
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I'd have to debate about Ella Enchanted, but you know, is. Oh, I love Ella Enchanted. Ella Enchanted is so much better than Princess Diaries. It's nothing like the book. I haven't read the book, Ella. I read the book and I was mad that it was nothing like the book.
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Fair enough. ah Yes. So um we start with a montage with people playing beach soccer, which seems hard. Yeah.
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In skimpy little bikinis and teeny tiny shorts. Yeah, for sure. Very. Oh, my God. It's so early 2000s. Like everything. it looks like a Hollister commercial. Like it's very, very. And I guess like the point is they're trying to like show her both.
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being like a typical girl and being good at soccer at the same time which it does succeed in that like she's not a masculine like f like she's athletic but she's not like the super sporty completely unfeminine uh girl like the like the the trope of that character like that would appear as you know a minor character in another rom-com you know and or another teen movie rather yeah um totally absolutely um which and it shows her yeah yeah um and it shows her and her boyfriend justin um who i didn't write the actor's name down um he sucks i mean the actor's fine but the the character sucks yeah um before we even get into it it should be said that they forgot a story by credit oh well no it is it is in there yeah it says based on twelfth night by shakespeare yeah yeah
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yeah mill yeah because it is yes it is based on Twelfth Night and it's kind of it's much more based on Twelfth Night than 10 Things I Hate About You is based on Taming of the Shrew for example exactly and I think that they did like it's an I remember when we did Twelfth Night at in college right before auditions everyone watched this movie who are you uh I got called back for Olivia and I did not get cast disgusting I know.
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Disgusting. Terrible. um Yeah. Yeah. oh Whatever. um i love Twelfth Night. I've always wanted to do Twelfth Night. I haven't done Twelfth Night yet.
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I love it as well. It was a great show. um My friend Robert, who hopeful listener of the pod, says he is, but who knows, was in that. you Oh, and Waldron,
The Comedy and Absurdity of Gender Disguise in 'She's the Man'
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his husband. His husband was um the the the guy with the yellow stockings.
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Malvolio. Malvolio. Appearing in this film. And Robert was one of the trio. I can't remember. So Andrew Agachique or Sir Toby Belch probably.
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Oh, he was Toby Belch. That's who he was. Okay. Yeah. um Yeah. Who does not ah appear. Well, it's weird because his friends are named Toby and Andrew, but their characters are nothing like yeah Andrew and Toby.
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David Cross is probably the closest character to Andrew Agachique, I guess. yeah But that's not. Yeah. I mean, because he's not. I mean, that character is Andrew isn't is barely in the movie at all. Like he has like three lines, I think.
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Yeah. Yeah. He's just there. Exactly. Yeah. But they like tried to they try to like turn um what's her name from Supernatural at the very end into um Olivia's maid in and Twelfth Night by like getting her and so and so together.
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And it's just like, but that's not. Oh, yeah. OK, that's I guess whatever. Yeah. fine It's it's kind of all over the place. It's 2006. Some spot on naming like Duke Orsino. This name is Duke Orsino.
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Just wild.
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And the school's name is Illyria. Illyria and Cornwall. Yes! So yeah. um She's wearing a Livestrong bracelet which is the first note I have. Yep.
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Yep yep yep. Places this in a time and place. yeah. And she's been she's playing soccer. Her boyfriend tells her, you're better than half the guys on my team.
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Yes. Which is important. Exactly. And then we get a little character setting. um She goes to school the next day, or like school hasn't started yet. it's they're They're starting like there ah soccer practice. I was about to call it rehearsal.
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Yeah. Amanda crew is Kia, who is just a, like a very minor part, a standout character. She's on Silicon Valley later. She's one of the main characters on that.
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Yes. She's in lots of stuff. um She's very funny in this. um And then Alexandra Breckenridge is, um is his, ah is her brother's girlfriend, ah Sebastian's terrible girlfriend, whose name is something or other.
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Yeah. um And then they have this whole thing where like oh you look just like your brother from behind because you're wearing a hoodie because you have no curves or something. Which is just like, of course, right out of the bat with ah body shaming.
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Yeah. but Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. um There's, yeah, there's some, it's, well, well, well, we'll talk about it. She goes to meet her mom. um Her mom is trying to get her to do like this debutante ball thing. um i assume you did a debutante ball.
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I actually did not. I did not do a debutante ball. Believe it or not. We talked about this before. I did ballroom class when I lived in New Canaan. And um so I did ballroom class.
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And that was, and I took um etiquette classes when I was in Lake Bluff. And by the time that we moved to Texas, I was too old for cotillion.
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So I didn't do Cotillion. We discussed this, yeah. I tried to get to do a debutante, but you had to be invited. And I was too weird. ah Yeah, that makes sense. so i Probably for the best.
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Yeah, my ah my best friend Jessica did ah like did the debutante ball stuff. it was It's so weird. um It's so weird. It's so bizarre. Yeah, her her mom is like into that kind of thing, though. Her mom is very like southern mom like it's anyway it's all gross and bad um and she doesn't teenage daughter in a wedding dress and debut her to society as someone who can have babies that's exactly what it is yeah that's exactly um and so but that's like a major part of this movie um her mom who's who's julie hagerty uh who's in tons of stuff most probably no most notably from airplane she's she's very funny
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yeah um She's her mom and she wants her to do this debutante thing. She has these, the most horrifying dresses you've ever seen. wedding dresses. Very 80s wedding, is exactly what I wrote. Yeah, very 80s wedding dress. ah Huge, poofy, like awful dresses. Yeah. um yeah Which like, even in 2006, no one would wear that.
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Yeah. Oh, no, no, absolutely not. I mean, jane she doesn't. Like, at the day at the when she goes, like she wears a normal dress. Just like everybody else there. She green dresses. Yes, she does. So she's different. um Yeah. um Well, I mean, are the other girls wearing white? like Because I think you're you're supposed to wear what white, right? white Because you're a virgin.
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Exactly, because it's... Yeah. Pure. Yeah. That felt gross coming on of my mouth. I'm sorry.
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ah You know what Catherine, my name, means, right? Pure. Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:24:41
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um and um does your last name mean snow does not no my last name means like coal seller or something i think i'm not sure you're pure coal seller yeah that's right well what does does emma mean busy body
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no i don't know what emma means My mom picked it because she liked the name, but I think she picked it because she really loved the and um Avengers TV show from the 60s and Diana. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But I say, because I mean, did I mean, did Jane Austen invent the name Emma? Does Emma, is there an Emma before that? Because that was my reference, of course. I want to yeah, I want to say.
00:25:31
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that that that it is older history of the name emma oh yeah no no no it's in the the medieval area era it means whole universal my name is so you're pure and i'm whole
00:25:50
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ah yeah a short term pure whole welcome to our new podcast pure whole um A short form of names like Emongard or Emintrude. Oh, Jesus.
00:26:04
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I'm glad it my mom didn't pick those. So that's a fascinating digression, I'm sure. um yes so she is um yeah she's the man she has um that she's upset the soccer team has been cut the um at school the the she tells the the men's coach the boys coach um well you should let us try out for the boys team and they all like laugh and say that's ridiculous including her boyfriend and she's like well i break up with you then Well she was like you said that I'm better than half the guys in this team And he said yeah I didn't say that He immediately gaslights her And then you're like Yeah and and yeah um
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And she breaks up with him immediately She goes home And her mom is showing her the
Supporting Characters and Comedic Performances
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dresses And she's like I don't want to do that yeah She sees her brother who's sneaking out of the house To run away to London For two weeks for his band to be on tour Which is crazy That's a thing. like That's a very sweaty um plot point.
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We never see the band. We never we never hear the music, really. We see him in a pub, in ah in a phone booth. That is the most. And then the airport. and End of yeah England.
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But he's like 17 years old and like sneaking off thing without telling his parents. Like it's, they have, their parents are divorced. And so yeah there's a whole like, tell mom I'm at dad's, tell dad I'm at mom's kind of thing. And nobody communicates with each other.
00:27:33
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They live in this really weird fictive. Well, I guess for some people it might not be fictive, but it is. very wealthy very rich nonsense world where they are both at boarding school because their parents don't want to deal with them and when they are at home they're lying about which house they're at and like at the end the parents get mad at sebastian not for leaving the country for leaving the country without permission so like this is to be said that like He could have gone if he was like, okay, I'm just, if they he had just told them first, but he he didn't. yeah
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And it's just, it's, you're led to believe that they just are like drowning in money. Like so money. It seems that way. Yeah. I mean, well, I don't think that Stratford is a boarding school because she's coming home after school.
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ah well But it's like, it's soccer trials. School hasn't started yet. Oh, that well, I mean, but she's staying in the dorms when she goes to Elyria. So I would assume. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. they ah we They also never follow up on like what was happening at her school. Where did her school think she was?
00:28:42
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Well, that her school hadn't started yet either, right? That's the that's the whole thing. but But the schools start at the same time because they have a game. Oh, that's right.
00:28:53
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Oh, yeah, no, she goes to class. Yeah, because she's in, like, school. um for Yeah. Yeah. I was like, so, like, where does her school think she is? Do they just think that she's sick all the time?
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Like, what is happening here? Didn't call her mom or dad to check on that? Yeah, that's a good point. Right? Right? Um, didn't occur to me. Didn't think about it at all.
00:29:16
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Uh, completely distracted. Bugged me. Uh... what Did it bug you about where where where this movie took place? Because it never says. fucking know it. You fucking know it. I was so confused. I was like, are we in California? Are we in North Carolina? I know that we're on a coast because of the beach, but um like Debbie Tompall is a Southern thing. So maybe it's North Carolina. it's like but But like, I don't understand.
00:29:43
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yeah nobody has an accent except for fake Sebastian. ah yeah except for fake sebastian who's got this weird southern like r&b accent it's awful um so they i mean it was filmed in canada which is always the answer when you they don't specify where something is it's in canada it's a canada um i don't believe they have debutante policy in canada almost definitely not um yeah my guess is that it's maybe supposed to be in the south i don't know yeah i don't know where i
00:30:15
Speaker
you and Leslie wanted it to be um So she immediately comes up with this plan. ah She's like, oh, I'll pretend to be my brother because he's like, tell school that I'm doing something. Like, get me out of school so I can go to. She's like, oh, OK, I'll do that. It's insane yeah to say.
00:30:35
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Obviously. She's like, oh, well, I'll pretend to be my brother and I'll join the men's soccer team so I can beat my ex-boyfriend and prove that girls can play soccer just as well as men.
00:30:46
Speaker
I mean, it's not a bad plan. I guess. It's just funny that that's like the first thing she jumps to. It's like, no, nothing else comes up between him. Yep.
00:30:57
Speaker
yep Nope. Nope. She's got it. She's got to ruin her boy, her ex-boyfriend's dignity by proving that girls can play soccer just as good ah as boys, which we learned very quickly that um she's not as good as she thought she was.
00:31:14
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Well, no. um I mean, it's the it's the thing. like the The thing about i like about men and women's sports, right? like it's yeah it's It's hard. It is um unfortunately true that the men's U.S. soccer team, which is not very good...
00:31:33
Speaker
yeah absolutely destroyed the women's u.s soccer team which is the best one in the world like it's just some of it is just biology unfortunately yeah yeah um so she decides she's gonna become a boy Yeah.
00:31:50
Speaker
And she goes to her gay friend who is a hairdresser. Like, is he an adult? Like, who is this guy No explanation. i think i owe I always thought he was Ethan Embry, but he's not Ethan Embry.
00:32:04
Speaker
No, he's not. No. And like, he's another guy. He's like, okay. He finally gives in. He's like, no, I can't do this. I can't do that. This is impossible. they'll They'll be able to tell right away. And she's like, well, if anyone can, you can.
00:32:18
Speaker
And um the first step is look at all my fake mustaches. Yeah, yeah. why does he have so many big mustaches i mean this reminds me of like in mrs doubtfire where robin williams goes to harvey firestein to make him like look like a a woman but he's but harvey firestein is like a yeah for sure but harvey firestein is like a he's like a drag makeup guy like that's what he does like and we don't get any um indication her dress that this guy knows how to do drag like he's just gay
00:32:54
Speaker
They're just like, don't ask questions. Don't worry about it. He's Gay magic. And he's also like 20. um i don't know.
00:33:03
Speaker
And then like we get the reveal of what Amanda Bynes looks like in drag, which is. Boy, oh boy. Yeah, it's like she looks like a 12 year old boy, i guess. um which Like thinking about it.
00:33:20
Speaker
Some boys in high school looked very young, looked very itty bitty because that's just genetics. And so like, yeah. She could pass. I gave her a pass. Puberty.
00:33:32
Speaker
Puberty. It's two at different times. um ah It is. It is funny. And, you know, of course, there it's the famous like she talked about like how it she got really upset, like having to be in that like costume all day and ah while filming and stuff like it really I'm sure it it fucks with you, you know, like that's.
00:33:49
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, first that's literally what dysphoria is, you know? Yeah. So she. so she has this Decides to do a southern accent for some reason. don't know why.
00:34:05
Speaker
Everything she says is so cringe. like it's so It's so hard to watch. like why But it's interesting because like this is this woman's idea of what men talk and sound like. right like It is an absurd... like and but But her her initial...
00:34:26
Speaker
Like her initial mode is toxicity because that's what she's been exposed to. Like that is how she knows men because she's a woman. Her boyfriend sucks. Yeah. Well, yeah, she's a woman, but just in the culture in general, right? Like, so her default is to be as toxic as possible and being around. Yeah.
00:34:46
Speaker
yeah And being around the minority of men who are not horrible like that. Yeah. is using see them um yeah is where we get humor i suppose is how to say it but they're one of my favorite lines is um she's talking to channing tatum and she's like well which one does your heart want and he goes what and she goes i mean which one would you rather see naked yeah um ah and he's like why do you always talk about women that way
00:35:17
Speaker
Yeah. yeah
00:35:20
Speaker
We've got to make him nice and sensitive so that the audience doesn't hate him. Yeah, he's ah he's a sweet boy. um And so she meets her roommate who was Channing Tatum. And this is pretty early Channing Tatum. No, I think Step Up was before this. Okay.
00:35:39
Speaker
ah Step Up was the same year. Okay, this is a big year for Channing Tatum. Yeah. um Yeah, that was 2006. And I'll hold on. Okay, so Step Up was released August 2006. was She's the Man released?
00:35:58
Speaker
March 2006. So no, yeah, this is before. This is before, yeah. Baby, baby, baby, baby Channing Tatum. Well, he's 26. oh baby chaining deem he's got bacne charlie pointed it out cool ah yeah also it should be said charlie when the credits right when when the credits started rolling at the beginning of like who's in this movie i was like oh i don't know if charlie's gonna like this i mean it's got soccer in it whatever he'll like it
00:36:30
Speaker
And we sit down and he goes, oh, Vinnie Jones is in this. Vinnie Jones. Oh, he's such a bastard. Vinnie Jones. He didn't say bastard. He said it more like a different word that isn't used affectionately here in the States, but is in the UK. It rhymes with hunt.
00:36:49
Speaker
Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. ah Yeah, Vinny Jones ah is the soccer coach who is, you know, famous for he's famous for playing ah for Wimbledon in the old League One and the Premiership. Wimbledon was called the Dons. It came to prominence in like the 80s and 90s.
00:37:09
Speaker
um Really um like heavy handed, like bully kind of ah guys. And while like he was criticized of your at the time.
00:37:20
Speaker
and but i was hoping you let me finish.
00:37:24
Speaker
sorry go on i was gonna was gonna pretend like i knew all that no charlie texted me earlier this morning yeah he asked me a few days ago he was like hey do you want some uh some facts on vinnie on vinnie jones to shock emma i was like hell yeah
00:37:45
Speaker
god damn it charles and he sent me like this is the text that he sent me Jesus motherfucking Christ. Yeah, he went on a long history and I was like, you don't have to say any of this. Just watch the movie. Just watch the movie.
00:37:58
Speaker
And then we both were then he was like David Cross and I forgot David Cross who he was. And then when he came up, I was like, oh, it's the anal rapist. he went the Oh, right, yeah. The analogist, yeah. um Ask any football fan of the time and they will remember one key incident.
00:38:15
Speaker
Vinnie Jones squeezed the testicles of England star Paul Gascoigne during a corner kick. Yep, you showed me that picture. So he was like ah like a um I don't know, like a mean guy. I don't know i what you call him in soccer.
00:38:33
Speaker
He was a cunt. Yeah, he was a cunt. Yeah, that's it. And then he became a successful actor who's in all kinds of movies. He shows up all the time. He plays the same character, which is basically just him.
00:38:46
Speaker
But great fun. It seems that way. Yeah. He is the football coach of Illyria. And yeah, she doesn't make it onto the first string of the team.
00:39:01
Speaker
um Because... you know, she's, she's got to work harder. So that's kind of the, um, the thread of the movie is she's trying to get on the team before the game with her old school with her boyfriend, Justin.
00:39:15
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. But her roommate Channing Tatum is in love with Olivia. Who's who he's never spoken to school. Who never spoken to. And she like used to date this guy in college and now she's single. And so he's like, oh my God, she's available. But like, he's never spoken to her. He's very intimidated by ladies, it seems.
00:39:34
Speaker
Yeah. And, um, and they're, yeah, he's a very soft boy and they're in biology class. And, um, Amanda Bynes gets paired up with Olivia.
00:39:46
Speaker
And so Channing Tatum's like, here's the deal. This is where he sets up the movie, the plot of the movie. He's like, here's the thing. You want to be on the, on the soccer team. You want to be first string. Right.
00:39:57
Speaker
And Amanda Bynes is like, obviously to doy. And he's like, I want to go out with Olivia. You talk me up to Olivia. And I'll help you with your soccer game. And um Amanda Bynes is like, well, fuck yeah. there Because obviously I don't want to fuck Olivia.
00:40:13
Speaker
and I just want to do this for the soccer. Olivia might want to fuck her. like She didn't think about that. They already had a meet-cute outside of Principal Tobias Fumke's office. David Cross is literally just playing Tobias Fumke in this. It is the same character bias ah as Tobias from Arrested Development. He...
00:40:35
Speaker
yeah um he He, Sebastian, um fake Sebastian, Amanda Bynes. Fake Sebastian. runs Runs into her and like knocks her papers everywhere. And she is the only woman that he's normal around. So ah maybe he maybe she kind of likes her too. It's hard to say. Yeah, maybe. Because every every other woman in the in this movie, when she's dressed as Sebastian, he like...
00:41:00
Speaker
just says horrible things too is like just very toxic like secret bisexual tale because at the end is that actually that can have a really good um oh i just noticed what your shirt was satan school for girls yeah yeah i was in I was in a show, um The Facts of Life, Satan's School for Girls.
00:41:25
Speaker
ah which was Oh, you were in it. Yeah. Yeah, I was in that. It was great fun. It was real camp. um But ah anyways, back to the movie. So at the very end, like there's a scene between Olivia and Viola.
00:41:40
Speaker
And um it her her I'm assuming her name's Viola. Yeah. It is. It's Viola. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Where they're like talking about how like Channing Tatum isn't there, but like their chemistry is like spot on.
00:41:55
Speaker
And like, they're just all of a sudden, like really, really close. And I'm like, Oh, Oh, yeah oh If they made this movie today, I think it would be a little bit more confusing in terms of sexual, like intentionally confusing in terms of sexuality because Channing Tatum and, and Amanda Bynes also have that same moment when she's dressed like Sebastian, like where he thinks this is a guy. And that's like the point of 12th night. Like that is, that is what 12th night does. It, in it inserts this kind of, um I mean, it's obviously from the 16th century. So, or,
00:42:31
Speaker
Actually, I think it's from the 17th century. I think it's from like 1601 or whatever, but neither here nor there. Watch out. It has this this like undercurrent of homoeroticism um a couple ah ah in a couple of scenes.
00:42:47
Speaker
Of course, it also is like women are weak, but that's that's not the point of the play. Not the point of play. Not the point of the play. The... um But it's it's something that carries forward into, especially in modern adaptations of Twelfth Night.
00:43:04
Speaker
um and it's ah And it's fun. It's a fun play. Yeah. And I would love to see a modern adaptation where they they lean into that. Yeah.
00:43:15
Speaker
Yeah. um Because that's the the the crux of of it, right? Like, Channing Tatum, likes Olivia.
Teen Culture and Y2K Influence on Relationships
00:43:24
Speaker
um Olivia likes...
00:43:28
Speaker
Viola. Viola likes Orsino, but nobody is aware of who the other person really is. um Yeah, exactly.
00:43:39
Speaker
And then enter real Sebastian at the end. Yeah, which is same thing that happens in the play. um like Sebastian in the play is a small part as well. Yeah. um But in the in the there's there's letters in the play that Sebastian wrote that um Olivia falls in love with. And that's what happens in this, too, because he's a musician and he has these lyrics that she reads. And that's what she gets into, which is.
00:44:03
Speaker
Yeah. Like a single, a single like a few lines of a song and she like quotes them to him when she kisses this yeah stranger, basically. it's But wouldn't you need to hear the music? Because what if the lyrics are really good, but the song sucks?
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah. yeah I mean, that's what poetry is, though, I guess. You need to know what you're all in for. You know? If someone says they're a musician, you need to know if they're just going to be singing Wonderwall with different lyrics at you.
00:44:38
Speaker
Is Wonderwall what you went for for a song with good lyrics? No, that's that's what I went for for a tune a bad tune that a boy will just sing at you. Oh, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah, Wonderwall, the song that must be played at at parties in the 2000s at least. every party. um yeah Yeah. Every boy with a guitar.
00:44:57
Speaker
So, um they, yes. So hijinks happen. Yeah. i do so but there's Eunice from Ginger Snaps Ginger Snaps and Supernatural um she's in Supernatural that makes sense yeah yeah everybody's in Supernatural this movie was shot in Canada everybody who lives in Vancouver was in at least one episode of Supernatural it was requirement but she's like a big role she's like um she's the the like major fan and the big fan of the Supernatural book club oh yeah okay i remember that yeah yeah yeah
00:45:34
Speaker
yeah yeah it's it's a huge plot point she's wearing headgear which i don't think was legal in 2006 i don't think they would legally i think you could go to jail for being no but it should be i was like did i miss something
00:45:52
Speaker
um I think headgear, I don't think anybody really wore headgear out of like the 70s. I don't think that's no it's a real thing. yeah It would have been like a retainer or like braces. Yeah, for sure. they They could have just given her braces and pimples like a normal Y2K movie.
00:46:07
Speaker
Yeah. But she has to have headgear. And she's because and also she's ah she's deranged. um She's a I guess she's like an AO3 horny girl. That's her. That's her character type now. Like she's
00:46:22
Speaker
She says she puts ah people off with her intensity, but she is like sliding out of her damn seat for yeah any boy in this. lit Honestly, anyone.
00:46:33
Speaker
um he was Sebastian, Orsino, Toby, like she is good to go no matter who. to go. Yeah. That's, I guess, um offensive. Yeah.
00:46:48
Speaker
Yeah. There's like that undercurrent. I feel like that was like an undercurrent in like nerd, um like the nerdy girl character, ah which again, leans itself into the Y2K character.
00:47:01
Speaker
um being like a freak like a like a ah yeah of like yeah of like being a sex fiend like you're sex obsessed with like weird you love sex and you you love like sex weird sex stuff and like that that was like a theme for like the weird nerd girl alison hannigan in american pie right exactly exactly to be like um obviously if you're into like weird stuff you're weird you know, or if you're even into sex, you're weird without, if if you're not into like basic, um, missionary and.
00:47:33
Speaker
Oh, for sure. For sure. Then you're weird, you know? Yeah. Um, and really didn't lay a good ground foundation for a lot of millennial ladies.
00:47:47
Speaker
No, I mean, there's that it's a weird Puritan time. I mean, the Bush era was very was was very um sex negative in general, and especially in the South, where you and I both went to high school, for sure. Yeah, oh, for sure.
00:48:00
Speaker
For sure. Definitely have a lot of trauma built up that I've worked through with a therapist due to it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Did I tell you the um my um Angus Thongs and Full Frontal Snogging story?
00:48:16
Speaker
No, but I did read those when I was a kid, yeah. I wanted to read those. Let me tell you why I didn't read those. I went to an all-girls camp in the backwoods of Wisconsin.
00:48:28
Speaker
And it was one where you had to wear white on Sundays. And it was fancy smancy all-girls camp. We've been down this lore that Emma...
00:48:40
Speaker
grew up and had a nice childhood um ah and uh thanks mom and dad uh dana paliza dedicated listen to this pod uh there was one summer that like i would always bring books because we would have reading time and um how old were you a lot of books um i went from age 10 to age 13 okay
00:49:04
Speaker
um This was probably when I was 12. And tween girls are mean. Tween girls are real mean. Normal time to be a child of any kind, but especially... ah Yeah. um ah Yeah. Repressed girl. Maybe I was 14.
00:49:18
Speaker
Maybe I was, I think I went for four years. um I like um either's either nine to 13 or 10 to 14. It's not relevant. ah But yeah.
00:49:28
Speaker
And I had Angus thongs and full frontal snogging. And yeah one of the girls in my cabin or two of the girls thought that it would be funny to start a rumor that I had a porn book.
00:49:41
Speaker
And of course, so because the word song, Thong and snogging. Yeah, exactly. Well, but did they know what snogging meant though? I don't know.
00:49:52
Speaker
Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Tween girls know more than you think. Well, full frontal. Yeah, yeah. Well, i mean I just mean like snogging is a British term and in America, yeah mean know, yeah.
00:50:04
Speaker
Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, it was the time after um Bridget Jones, so maybe. Okay. Fair enough, yeah. But yeah, they spread a rumor around camp that I had a porn book. I had to, um some counselors had to like look at my book and I got like kind of in trouble.
00:50:20
Speaker
And so I wanted to move cabins, but the cabin that find, to like get out of that situation, but the cabin that I wanted to switch with, I was, I remember this so vividly. I was on a canoe with one of the girls um in that cabin and I was like, i I just like, I don't want to be in this cabin because it's all a lie. It's not real. It's not true.
00:50:42
Speaker
And they're like, well, we kind of don't want you in our cabin. And it was like a whole thing. And it's just sort of like, it's why I have so much hatred for that sort of sex negative time is because like that scarred me for years of like and it's a very innocent book too like such an innocent book but like i i never was able to read it i could never see the movie i couldn't like even handle thinking about it for years and years and years until i worked through this whole situation i'm a therapist um but like
00:51:13
Speaker
It's just that's awful. I'm so sorry. yeah Oh, it's fine. It's fine. I've, you know, tween girls are mean. i I also wasn't that innocent. We made fun of a girl who had a mole on her face by calling her guacamole.
00:51:26
Speaker
So I'm I'm also not the um yeah victim here. ah Nobody was. like I mean, that's the thing. like no matter No matter where you fell on that like social ladder as a kid, there's the one of the the best ways to to to pull pull yourself up it was by putting someone else down.
00:51:46
Speaker
you know that's Exactly. Especially... like theater kids sometimes like i know you and i both oh for sure probably made fun of more people than we should have i know i did exactly yeah oh for sure because you're you're sort of conditioned as a theater kid that you need to be better than everyone because that's how you succeed and funny um for for me at least yeah yeah yeah yeah anyways that's a long way to say
00:52:15
Speaker
No, I mean, that's, that's, I think that's relevant. Yeah. um That's called Emma and Katie's trauma corner. Yeah. tra So many corners. um Yeah. So there's a spider. So there's Malcolm, who is the Malvolio character. If you're familiar with the play, um who's a weird nerd ah who is obsessed with Olivia.
00:52:38
Speaker
ah Has like a pillow with her face on it. Has a spider named Malvolio. Yeah. um Has a murder wall with just weird like paparazzi photos of Olivia.
00:52:51
Speaker
yeah Diet Coke cans she's drunk out of. Like he has a problem. Yeah, he's a scary guy. um ah And again, like sometimes weird nerds are bad. Like sometimes it's it's we should shun weird nerds because they yeah are bad.
00:53:08
Speaker
ah That is shunnable. Shunnable. This is the kind of nerd we're talking about. yeah We're not talking about nerds like Eunice. We're talking about nerds like Malcolm.
00:53:20
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um So...
00:53:24
Speaker
ah Yes. he His spider gets loose ah and goes into the... It's a tarantula. It goes into the room where um Viola and Orsino are bro-ing out and then they have an absolute like girly freak out at this tarantula. which like Both of them. Yeah.
00:53:43
Speaker
i I don't know of anyone, male, or female, or otherwise, who would not freak out if a tarantula just ran into your bedroom. like Exactly. Are tarantulas poisonous?
00:53:56
Speaker
They are not. um That is a big spider, though. um They move horribly, though. Yes. And they jump up onto the bed, clutching each other and have this like little moment.
00:54:12
Speaker
And then Channing Tatum gets freaked out. Oh, because right before that happened, Amanda Bynes was doing ah girl voice to pretend to be Olivia training Channing Tatum to talk to girls. And he's like, ask her if she likes cheese.
00:54:31
Speaker
Yes. right That's very prescient, actually. like You can fascinate a woman by bringing her cheese. like It's true. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I can talk about cheese all day. You want to know favorite kind of cheese?
00:54:43
Speaker
Gouda's great. I love a good fondue. My favorite cheese? My favorite cheese is a good brie or camembert. Ooh, a soft cheese. yeah what about you what's your um i like a goat's cheese uh i like a camembert as well um but um chef would be my favorite cheese probably yeah like a cheese um or you know to get southern with it i love pimento cheese as well so like really do you love pimento cheese High class to low class, same time. Like, I like yeah like it, like a nice cheese on a bread. You know what i mean? Just like, um spread especially like a, sh like a chef with some like, sp ah some ah herbs in it or some, um some like cranberries or something like spread on a baguette with some wine.
00:55:29
Speaker
Hell yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, some pimento on a cracker with a PR. Call it a day. Exactly. Exactly. Both. Not above the PBR.
00:55:41
Speaker
She's got all dimensions and fascists. Fascists? Facets. Facets. Not not not fascists. No fascists. I'm in tech. My brain is mush.
00:55:52
Speaker
Yeah. PB, it's funny because like PBR is one of the only beers that I can ever remember. um Like if I, if we're in a restaurant or something, well, like, I don't know, like, I don't know what an ale is and I don't know what an IPA is and I don't know about beer. I don't know about wine either. yeah um But I can order a wine in a place. But if like I'm going to get a beer, sometimes I'll just panic and get PBR, you know, like that's how it is. Yeah, yeah.
00:56:18
Speaker
I only know about beer because I worked at a um a place that a pizza place that brewed their own beer, and we had to learn about beer. Oh, sure. so Of course. I know the difference between like a pilsner and a porter.
00:56:29
Speaker
Well, that's a skill issue because I've worked at a coffee place for a long time, and I could not tell you the difference between coffee. People ask me, and they're like, well, what's the difference between this? I'm like, I don't know.
00:56:40
Speaker
oh It's different. They all taste the same. i swear they do. They don't. Some of them are more acidic. Some of them are more nutty. They all taste bad.
00:56:54
Speaker
um I am and not a coffee girl. Yes. Cannot drink coffee. I do not drink coffee. Work around coffee. which I do. i do. Yeah. She's the man. Oh, yeah. So oh they go to a carnival.
00:57:11
Speaker
The carnival. Go ahead. Go ahead. ah So they get to the carnival and um of course there's got to be a kissing booth and Olivia is working it. Is that a thing? do people still do kissing booths?
00:57:22
Speaker
I mean, not in a post COVID world. Well, yeah, I guess not. But like in the 2000s, like I just I didn't just didn't I didn't go to a lot of carnivals or fairs, but I've never encountered a kissing booth never seen a kissing booth either. yeah I think it is just a fictional device um utilized for television and movies to have the popular popular pretty girl able to kiss the nerdy out of luck. bowl Yeah, yeah.
00:57:48
Speaker
I mean, like maybe in the 50s and 60s they had kissing booth. Yeah, maybe. But like, I just don't see like that happening. Well, if you know what's... Hold on.
00:58:00
Speaker
Are you implying that people didn't kiss with tongue before the 1950s? Because they definitely did. I mean, I'm sure they definitely did. Just like not in public. um I don't know. I mean, there's that famous photo of the troops getting back from World War i ah The sailor and that woman. And they're definitely kissing tongue. That was also non-consensual. Did you know that?
00:58:22
Speaker
I do. I do. Which sucks. It's very. I don't like that. Because it's such a pretty picture. And I loved it for so many years. And knowing that makes me hate it. um yeah Because that man just stuck his tongue in that lady's mouth.
00:58:36
Speaker
um And ah don't do that, guys. But, you know, he was celebrating death to Nazis. would you know They did kill the Nazis. yeah In a stranger's mouth? If the Nazis were dead?
00:58:50
Speaker
I mean, i don't know if some if some random sailor who physically killed a Nazi was walking by, like, i don't know, I might let him kiss me. It depends on how bad his breath is, but I'd let him kiss me.
00:59:01
Speaker
That's true. Yeah. We're not yeah not not justifying this man assaulting that woman, but, you know. No. Killing Nazis is hot is what we're trying to say. yeah Exactly. Exactly. We're trying to say, kill more Nazis. Yeah.
00:59:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
Climactic Moments in 'She's the Man'
00:59:20
Speaker
Please continue the carnival story. So we're at the carnival. We're at the kissing booth. And um Olivia, it's, Chan Tatum is like working his way up to the kissing booth. And by the time it gets to be his turn, Olivia, it's ah time is up and she gets tapped out by viola who has to do double duty playing sebastian and viola and because of course because it's a farce course exactly because it's a farce and so there's so many different scenes that are very not realistic of her switching from her very tight dress into her uh sebastian clothes and vice versa and went on a tilt-a-whirl tilt-a-whirl with another passenger with a little kid
01:00:05
Speaker
And then in a bounce house, like, girl, just go back to the porta potty. The porta potty is the best place to do that change in the entire carnival. Definitely. do not need to do it.
01:00:17
Speaker
Right. She's there with her friends. Why can't she just use one of their cars? Oh my God. Yes. Ridiculous. That's the obvious answer. Anyways. um And so, so um she gets up and it's Sebastian and Channing Tatum and Channing Tatum is like, Oh no. And she's like, thank you.
01:00:36
Speaker
And then they have a kiss and this is a magical kiss. They have chemistry. Sparks, fly there is fireworks Channing Tatum and Viola should make out forever and then it confuses things because now Channing Tatum's like oh my gosh I might love my roommate's sister and um and so he has to like bring that up to Sebastian and Sebastian's like wait what oh my god which is obviously Amanda Bynes who's just Sebastian had like had had you know noticed that Channing Tatum looks like Channing Tatum in the movie previously
01:01:09
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But did not seem to care about, did not seem to be interested in him romantically until this scene. Because he was perfectly willing to hook up Channing Tatum with Olivia in the movie until now.
01:01:22
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And now everything gets complicated, yeah. Because feelings were felt and it was a good kiss. And so, um so now training team's like, is would it be cool if I asked out your sister?
01:01:35
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And Viola, who is Sebastian, is just like, oh my God, yeah, totally. But at the same time, Olivia is getting some like, some advice from her friends that is just like because she's like oh my god i'm in love with sebastian he's so sensitive he's so sweet and he listens to me and and her friends are just like make him jealous and she goes okay so then she takes up she knows that channing tatum is obsessed with her so she goes up to channing tatum she's like hey take me to dinner let's go get food and channing tatum immediately at cesare's cesare's
01:02:14
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Which is the name of the the the fake name that Viola takes in the play because she's not pretending to be her brother in the play. She's just pretending to be a man. Yeah. Yes, exactly. And so she immediately like he immediately drops the idea of ah asking out Viola um like a hot potato and goes out with ah Olivia.
01:02:37
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And so Viola, who is now jealous, decides as Sebastian to take out Eunice. to do the exact because she's willing double date exactly because she's willing and she's there and they have this little tetch a tetch that's the character i relate to most probably in this movie
01:02:57
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i relate most to uh what's her name from silicon valley kia kia i relate most to kia don't look kia don't look
01:03:12
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um She's very funny. She has a really tiny part, really steals the show, much like the stepsister in Ella Enchanted. So there.
01:03:26
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um The stepsister, that's not what's her name. You know what i'm talking about? In Ella Enchanted? Yeah, yeah. The other one. The nice one. Because one of them is, one of them is um what's her name? um Famous British actress. Yeah, famous.
01:03:39
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Yeah, I know who you're talking about. who is in I can't think of her name. Yeah. Yeah. yeah she She is in 10th Kingdom. Yes. Yeah. She's in lots of stuff, but she's in 10th Kingdom. Yes. She's in the Little Boat She's the Little Boat Peep girl.
01:03:53
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um The slutty Shep-a-dass. Yeah. Shep-a-dass. Oh, my God. I love 10th Kingdom so much. One day we'll do our our side pod. One of our many side pods where we just talk about 10th Kingdom. Yeah.
01:04:06
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um ah Oh my god, I love that so much. I need to make Charlie watch it. Three discs. don't know he's Charlie is not going to like the Tenth Kingdom. He's not going to like it, but I want to watch his reaction for every single second, Katie. Every single second!
01:04:27
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um i think I think being into Scott Cohen is a vital part of appreciating 10th Kingdom because I don't think I've shown the 10th Kingdom to any person who doesn't like boys and who has liked that miniseries. I've shown 10th Kingdom to a lot of people.
01:04:44
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like dreamy. I know. He's never anybody. Yeah. a little A little assaulty, though, also, um that character. it's A little bit, yeah. Again, created really negative groundwork for what you what baby Emma expected relationships to look like.
01:05:07
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um yeah And, you know it shouldn't look like that. no No, no. He is a wolf, however. so and yes so we're going to give him a pass.
01:05:21
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No, we're not going to give a bath. Oh, okay. No, no, no, no. That's a lie. That's a lie. His tail, which is also like his dick. It's weird. So weird. Oh my God. I love that movie. That show so much.
01:05:33
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um and he was Anyway. So, yeah, so now things are complicated. Channing Tatum has a nice callback where he asks Olivia during an awkward silence, do you like cheese? And she turns to him and goes, do I like cheese?
01:05:47
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um Because she is yeah all over him when Sebastian is there. And she is making Sebastian jealous, but she's not making Sebastian jealous of him.
01:05:58
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She's making Sebastian jealous of her, which she's unaware of. So it's it's a fun dynamic, like. Yeah, it's a fun little scene. And this is the one of the many scenes that I realized that 2006 was... I love the makeup look in this movie.
01:06:14
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um Everyone's makeup in this, it's just so good. It's like that pastel-y eyeshadow with like super glossy pink lips. It just looks so like light and fun and like fresh. And I just... Obsessed.
01:06:28
Speaker
Obsessed. I mean, that's probably coming back. I'm sure. yeah. oh yeah Yeah. I have a green eyeshadow palette that I will absolutely utilize.
01:06:40
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and um Yes. So this movie, though... um ah hey uh yeah olivia is um being very weird uh and i and extremely unfair to channing tatum's character um and we get this little cutaway to their friend toby ah who says how come when i wanted to ask out you does everyone made fun of me screw you guys i hate high school like hell yeah toby yeah you get it toby She is like so fucking down bad though. Like I don't feel like, I i don't know. I don't think monogamy is for Eunice. Like even though like she and Toby kind of ah get together at the end. Like I don't think that's a relationship. Yeah. yeah
01:07:23
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They're going to be, they've got to have an open relationship. Otherwise Eunice is going break some hearts. I mean. Yeah. Once Eunice gets those braces off, like it's all over for. It's all over. Everyone, I guess. Like. Yeah.
01:07:35
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. um And so what happens next? Oh, then we start to get... oh so then... um Oh, while all this has been happening, Monique, who is Sebastian's girlfriend... That's her name, yes....has been, like... um Keeps running into Viola as Sebastian, and she breaks up with her and without like showing her face, and da-da-da, and Monique refuses to take that. It's...
01:08:05
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It's really, it's really like, it's hard kind of hard to swallow. There's all of these scenes where yeah Amanda Bynes, who is like fully six inches shorter than her brother, ah yeah keeps like covering her face with something and being like, ah, like I break up with you. That sounds just like Sebastian.
01:08:24
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Exactly. No, it doesn't. Sebastian doesn't talk like that. Goodness gracious. um But Sebastian decides that he's going to come back from London early. um And it Not Well hold on There's the there's the fight first So there's been there's two fights that we skipped Oh yeah At the carnival Justin and Orsino get into a fight over Viola after the kissing booth scene And then at the debutante ball This bizarre scene where Amanda Bynes is eating a chicken leg Death staring Olivia the whole time
01:09:03
Speaker
ah follows her into the bathroom to talk about it. And that's where Olivia admits. She's like, well, I don't care about Orsino. I like Sebastian. And Bill is like, well, that's going to be a problem.
01:09:14
Speaker
yeah Are you sure? I don't think you're his type. I mean, why couldn't you just say that Sebastian was gay? Well, because it's, she I guess she doesn't want to like put that on her brother, who's not gay. Like when he comes to that school and is supposed to replace her, right? Like that's, the idea is that she's going to go home and he is going to seamlessly take over Sebastian's life in school, which is deranged. As a soccer star, which we learned at the end, he's not good at soccer. No, no. Or even like in class, like he doesn't look anything like her. Exactly.
01:09:50
Speaker
So that is happening. Yeah, they so then Monique is in the bathroom and so it's like, Sebastian's my boyfriend. Like, he broke up with you, girl. Like, what is your Yeah, deal it.
01:10:02
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And then Olivia and um Monique get into a fight of the dead. Everywhere Viola goes, people get into a fight. over Whether she's a boy or whether she's a girl, she causes violence.
01:10:14
Speaker
Yes. It's wild. Violence follows her. Which I also have to commend... um Amanda Bynes in this movie I always forget She's so good so fucking good in this movie And like i She was such Y2K comedy gold Like she really She got the assignment She understood it and she fucking nailed it She's very funny Yeah her her reactions Like all of her like little like things that you can tell Are are improv there's a lot of yeah she's she's She's so charming she's so funny In this movie yeah yeah She's so so good
01:10:50
Speaker
Way to go, Amanda. So, yes. Monique gets the voicemail from the actual Sebastian saying that he's coming home early. She finds out that he's been in England this whole time.
01:11:01
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She goes to the dorm room where Orsino has just seen Olivia assault um the real Sebastian, thinking that he's...
01:11:12
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Viola kissing him and quoting his song lyrics into his ear and walking away. So Channing Tatum saw that thought it was Amanda Bynes is mad at Sebastian kicks him out of the dorm room.
01:11:25
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Monique comes there finds Malcolm Malvolio the character and he's like I've got an idea and the two of them have put it together what's happened because he's done research and found photos of um Sebastian and uh Viola. It sounds more complicated than it is.
01:11:45
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ah It really takes about two seconds of screen time for all of this. It's a farce. Like, it's hard to describe a farce, you know? It really is. It really is. Because there's a lot of like mishaps and blah, blah, blah. And then we get to the big soccer game, which um because Sebastian, Viola, who is Sebastian, has nowhere to stay, he runs into Eunice.
01:12:06
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And Eunice is like, you can sleep in my dorm. um But Eunice doesn't wake Sebastian because she's too busy um drooling over sleeping. Watching him sleep.
01:12:17
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and on a sheet with On a bed with no sheets on it. that Did you notice that? like I did notice that. What does that mean? I don't know. i don't know. She's a freak.
01:12:28
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I guess so. um she soaked She soaked him through. She had to change the sheet.
01:12:36
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was going say either that or she murdered her last roommate so that she could have Sebastian in her room so that she could watch him. That's also a possibility. That's also a possibility. yeah yeah Also a possibility, yes. And so now we're we're at the day of the big game where um David Cross has invited both parents, mom and dad of Sebastian and Viola to the soccer game. about Because Malcolm and Monique told him.
01:12:59
Speaker
They've told him what's happening. yeah Exactly. um But they don't tell the parents. They just say, come to the soccer game. It'll be fun. and um like he's Like he's in a an Agatha Christie novel and is going to have to like a parlor scene about it, which is what he tries to do. Right.
01:13:15
Speaker
exactly and real sebastian does live for drama though right you gotta love it but real sebastian is there and he is trying to just like figure out what is happening why everybody knows him but he's like the school's so nice everybody is obsessed with me and somehow he gets like just hurried on to the soccer field and forced to play the beginning of the game because other sebastian is asleep yeah and in unis's room they put The cheerleaders put face paint on him, so everyone just assumes he's Sebastian. This little bit of face paint is going to fool everyone, and not the fact that he's much bigger than Viola.
01:13:54
Speaker
Exactly! um Because I looked it up, like Amanda Bynes isn't that short. She's 5'7". Yeah. um yeah and ah But he is significantly taller than her.
01:14:05
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um it is and And again, doesn't look like her. Yeah, his face is a different shape. Yeah, yeah. So again, they put face paint on. And also, are there cheerleaders for soccer games? I don't think there's cheerleaders for soccer, is there?
01:14:18
Speaker
No. This is also a fictive, weird, rich world where um that's true and everyone gets everything they want. So there's cheerleaders in and little cowboy outfits. Yeah. Very scantily clad cheerleaders for high school. They look like like um yeah professional football cheerleaders. They look like Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, yeah.
01:14:36
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Yeah.
01:14:39
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So then, of course, we have to play Dirty Little Secret by the All-American Rejects. um um Have to do it. Can't get through the movie without it. Yes. he So many bangers. There's like the Donna's on here as well. like yeah At one point, Charlie heard some song. I think it was like, oh God, I think it was like the the like prepping for soccer montage.
01:15:01
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And it was like some reggae song and Charlie just like. like gutturally screamed. He was like, ah, love this song!
01:15:11
Speaker
Happy for you, Charlie. So good for you. um Yes, so ah this, the actual Sebastian is quite bad at soccer, but they don't play long before David Cross storms the field and stops the game to reveal that Sebastian is a girl. And he's like, um no, I'm not.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yep. But in order to prove that, he yes he has to Prove it by dropping track. He drops his pants on the field in front of the stadium.
01:15:41
Speaker
To which point Kia ah turns to Paul and says, great job, Paul.
01:15:53
Speaker
Implies that she thought that he had created a prosthetic uh penis for uh amanda binds to wear while playing soccer like just just comedy gold love that love that about her yeah right but then amanda binds shows up and yes she's like she she how does she get like in does she just show up and they're like there's two sebastians i can't remember no she, she's been hiding in under the bleachers watching and grab Sebastian as they go for the halftime break. They finally have a conversation. She explains everything to him and he's like, yeah, whatever, I guess.
01:16:34
Speaker
And lets her play. Nice. Yeah. And then, but Channing Tatum is mad at her because he thinks that that that she kissed Olivia in one the white behind his back.
01:16:46
Speaker
And then ah then she stops the game, which again, I don't think they stop the clock in soccer. That's kind of the whole point of soccer is they don't stop the clock. Again, weird fictive universe where anything is possible.
01:16:59
Speaker
Yeah. And then she's like, this whole thing is because I'm a girl. And he's like, what? And so she stops the game to like have this big reveal where she has to like flash her tits to the whole crowd. So both of these parents' kids got naked on the stadium the same day.
01:17:15
Speaker
But like also she doesn't do it like how a normal person, a normal person, um would just like show off their tits, which is like, woo, like a quick little flash. She holds her shirt up for like a five minutes.
01:17:28
Speaker
And just leaves it. and she goes, done? We done? Everybody good? everybody got Also, yeah she's not earlier... she's she's She's been binding her breasts. yeah Which, first of all, don't do that.
01:17:39
Speaker
um Not with an ace bandage. like You can get something if you want to bind your breasts. Yeah, that's that's not good for you. Secondly, yeah she doesn't appear to be wearing it um yeah during in the soccer game. Which it seems like that would be like the time you would want like like yeah the most to to do. Also, like...
01:17:59
Speaker
also like When she goes to the principal's office, she's like taking it off immediately. It's like, what are you doing? You're in the principal's office. She's so bad at OPSEC. Oh my God. And she gets it stuck in the filing cabinet. It's a whole thing.
01:18:13
Speaker
She takes the wig off by just ducking out of frame and then just pulls it off. Like her whole hair was just under that wig the whole time. Like she didn't have it in pin curls with a wig cap or anything. Like, yeah.
01:18:27
Speaker
Yeah. Realistic there. Amanda Bynes. They try to disqualify her. But Vinnie Jones is like, hey, fuck you. We're going to play with the girl because we don't discriminate here in Ilyria.
01:18:39
Speaker
And he bullies the other coach into letting her play. um They foul her and she does a penalty kick. She, I don't know how soccer works. She kicks it into the goal. Cause, cause her ex-boyfriend is the goalie. So it's just her against him because obviously it had to be like that.
01:18:57
Speaker
And she wins the game. And yeah like, then they go to the debutante ball and but she goes to a swamp. do Yeah, she she has to fix things with Orsino, but like, because like things aren't fixed at the end of the game. And so she sends him a letter with some cheese.
01:19:15
Speaker
A Gouda. ah big wheel of Gouda. ah big wheel of Gouda. um with like an i It's an I'm sorry cheese. And ah has a very, you know, she's at the debutante ball and she's real sad because he hasn't. She invites him to the debutante ball. Yeah. Yes.
01:19:31
Speaker
She invites him to the debutante ball. and um uh whenever he just like doesn't come she goes out to a swamp and then she sees a ah figure walking up and she goes i didn't think he would come and you think maybe this is the moment um nope it's the custodian it's a weird swamp man it's a weird swamp man but then she turns around and there's channing tato yeah and right he says everything would be easier if you stayed a girl
01:20:05
Speaker
so true okay
01:20:09
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um and then at the debutante ball like toby and eunice are together monique and justin are together olivia and sebastian are together yeah and andrew and paul are together which very like blink and you'll miss it moment where like paul is like straightening andrew's tie or something like that and it's just like oh that's sweet and Yeah, there we go.
01:20:33
Speaker
Look at that. Some like positive lgbt representation. you know And then it seems like it seems like they just let her play
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01:20:42
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on the team. Yeah, that is what we are led to believe with no hair ties.
01:20:47
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She does not play soccer with hair she plays their hair completely in her face, which she does in the in the game as well. Yeah, and I feel like that is one of the least um ah believable moments of this film.
01:21:02
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, like, in the beginning when she's playing on the beach, she has a ponytail, right? I think she does. But yeah, in the actual, does she really have her hair down every time? That's insane. That's insane.
01:21:13
Speaker
How do you see? I can't have my hair down yeah to, I can't have my hair down to record this podcast, much less play soccer. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. ah and then we And then we end it with yet another All-American Rejects song.
01:21:30
Speaker
So, so good. oh my God. Charlie really enjoyed this movie. Yeah, it's fun. I think mostly because of Vinnie Jones. He was a little concerned um that I had picked it because of the prove your boy and girl scene.
01:21:48
Speaker
Okay. He was like, I don't think that aged well. And I was like, it didn't. ah Well, you know. But ah it's Shakespeare. It is. It is Shakespeare. Yeah. The story is significantly older than 2006. I guess we'll give it a pass. yeah Exactly.
01:22:05
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um And it's just like, I mean, my goal for my pick this week was a fun, dumb, cotton candy film. And I think I succeeded in a fun, dumb, cotton candy film.
01:22:15
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Totally. We love teen movies here. um And like i was thinking, they they don't make teen movies anymore. They really don't. They don't make any mid-budget movies, which we've talked about on the show before, but like yeah teen movies, especially like that was a staple.
01:22:30
Speaker
And just, it was they just such a big part of our growing up. I think it's, I think it's because whether it's true or not, I think they assume that teenagers don't go to the movies anymore at all. And if they do, they only go for, like, huge blockbusters. But I just, I don't know if that's actually true. Because, like, the teen movies that do come out on streaming, like, I think they're popular. Like, I think if the kissing booth had gone to theaters, people would go see it, you know? Yeah. Speaking of kissing booths. Or just, like, all the boys. Right? Yeah. Those were the only ones. Well, because Caitlin and I were talking about them. And then, like, that's the only two we could come up with. And both of those were streaming only. Yeah. So.
01:23:09
Speaker
Yeah. So. maybe Maybe one day. Yeah, don't know. Maybe as the romantic comedy comes back, the teen comedy will come back too. because Because, I mean, like, teens go see horror movies.
01:23:21
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Like, they always have, and they always will. Like, horror movies, like even low-budget horror movies still do really well, even post-COVID at the box office. So it's... Exactly. I don't know. And we all, at like we've discussed on this podcast, they're so similar.
01:23:36
Speaker
Anyways, any final thoughts, feelings, opinions? um I don't think so. I think I went through everything. I put my notes on my ah phone this time so I could read them.
01:23:46
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Nice. um Smart. I think got through everything, yeah. Amazing. Well, then what movie are we doing next week?
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01:23:54
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Next week, we are going to do the classic 1984 rom-com Splash.
01:24:02
Speaker
oh Yes! Who, notorious, or not notorious, but... um Future and past guest of the pod, Madison Smith, is named after the main character in this. That's correct. Yeah. Well, everyone named Madison because that movie, like, invented Madison as a first name for women, basically. It's very, it's it's very strange. Yeah.
01:24:22
Speaker
weird. Because in the movie, he says, like, matt she she says, who's what's your name? And she sees Madison Avenue, like, the sign, and she says, Madison. He goes, that's not a name. Madison's a last name. You can't be first named Madison. And now, like, everybody's named Madison. There's whole generation of Madisons.
01:24:37
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01:24:50
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01:25:01
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01:25:16
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Good night. Good night. What?
01:25:29
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You told me to record down here because...
01:25:35
Speaker
Are you on the phone? Oh, sorry. Okay, I'll be quiet. They can hear me? Okay, I'll be quiet. Did they have something to say about Portlandia? Okay.
01:25:48
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I mean, this has been on the calendar.
01:25:51
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his ass.
01:25:54
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I booked this house first. I'm going to cut that out and put it at the end of the episode. yeah Wait, no, this is your edit. It'll be the closest that Charlie will ever get to being on this podcast.
01:26:07
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Well, I couldn definitely couldn't hear his voice. so ah damn it One day.