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Wr**tc*tters: A Love Story
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**Content Warning! This movie deals extensively with self harm in a very dismissive, lighthearted way. It was made in 2006, that was kind of everywhere at the time, sadly. If that is not something you want to listen to, please skip this episode!
Emma & Katie talk about the 2006 romantic comedy, and also The mid-2000s! Emo culture! Eastern European tax shelter filmmaking! High school pretensions! Gogol Bordello! Failed Fox tv shows! Katie mispronounces "Shea Wigham" a lot!
Note: We DID discuss Sossamon before, in The Holiday, of course!
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Transcript
Opening Banter and Schedule Confusion
00:00:01
Speaker
Here Here we go Just letting... Now we got to pretend like we didn't talk about that. Yeah, that we cannot let anyone know on the podcast, um even though we're recording. How are you, Katie?
00:00:12
Speaker
Good morning. How are you? Good morning. I'm lovely. Good. Good, good, good. What you did miss in the green room, guys, was Katie sent me a lovely good morning text yesterday saying good Good morning.
00:00:26
Speaker
And I was like, oh my God, that's so sweet. That's so nice. Have we turned a corner in a friendship to where we now wish each other good morning? And then I thought to myself- I don't send anybody good morning texts like-
00:00:44
Speaker
Yep. And so then ah my um rationale came into play and I was like, oh, no, Katie probably thought because we usually record on Wednesdays ah that we're recording today and we're not. She's late.
00:00:58
Speaker
ah That was the thing because it's like five minutes after I thought we were supposed to record instead of saying instead of texting, hey, we were supposed to record five minutes ago. Where are you? I said, good morning.
00:01:10
Speaker
That's usually what I do. That's.
00:01:14
Speaker
Like if somebody's supposed to meet me somewhere, just in the text is like, hey. Hey, what's going on? Where the fuck are you? ah i had, I had, but i but i then I, you know, I, the first thing I did was I, you know, when you weren't there was I assumed that I had the date wrong and I checked my.
00:01:33
Speaker
My note that I made and I just wrote i just wrote the wrong date down. Clearly. Yeah. Well, we said that we were going to do it and then I was like, oh, no, I can't do that. Can we do the next day? then think was like after.
00:01:45
Speaker
yeah That's what it was. And I probably said, yeah, that's fine. And then I didn't update my note. Yeah. Yeah. It happens. You know, it's happened to the best of
Introduction to Podcast and Sensitive Themes
00:01:54
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us. Yeah. Anyways, here we are. That's right,
00:02:01
Speaker
This is the podcast where...
00:02:05
Speaker
Also, before even get into this... Hey, Emma, what the fuck did you have us watch?
00:02:14
Speaker
Okay, okay, okay. You have to put yourself in the mindset of a 17-year-old... Oh, no, no, no. I get it. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, okay.
00:02:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I have not watched this since 2006. Or, yeah, 2007. Whenever it came out. But... whatever it came out um but As a trigger warning, Charlie did advise me to put this at the beginning of the episode.
00:02:39
Speaker
You should put it in the description, too. Yeah. Yes. there's This entire movie is about suicide and self-harm. And so trigger warnings for if that is something that is disturbing to you.
00:02:51
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And it's treated very lightly. like Very lightly. re Yeah. Really not... Not really taken seriously. um yeah At all.
00:03:02
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Yeah. Depression or suicide or any sort of self-harm or cutting. If that is a trigger for you, this is probably not the episode to listen to. You could probably tell from the title of the movie, honestly. Yeah.
00:03:16
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But like, to the extent of the nonchalantness of it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. sure. sure Yes. um That being said, I'm give you three seconds to move on from this episode.
00:03:32
Speaker
One miss a second. Two miss Three miss second. Okay, here we are, guys. So this is the podcast. You've made your decision. Now you can't back out.
00:03:44
Speaker
Now you can't back That's not true. That's not true. You back out at any time. Yeah, exactly. if you If we start getting into it and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa who whoa, I can't listen to this, we get it Don't worry about it.
Discussion on 'Wristcutters: A Love Story'
00:03:55
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don't don't don't don't Just don't hold it against us. I mean, you can hold it against Emma, but don't hold it against me, I guess.
00:04:00
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That's what I'm saying. My favorite Letterboxd review for this movie, however, is something that encapsulates it so well, which is, boy, the mid-2000s was... How was that even a time?
00:04:15
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What even were we? Yeah. Because this does encapsulate sort of pop culture at that time and sort of like what... it it it just sort of the brevity that people had for self-harm and suicide, I guess.
00:04:33
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um Mental health in general. like Yeah. Yeah. But like, it was almost glamorized in some aspects. I feel, um i mean, you could say about all of emo culture. Yeah.
00:04:47
Speaker
self-harm and suicide was almost, you know, glamorized. Oh, for sure. The birth of where this movie comes from and why it is the most emo rom-com we will ever cover.
00:05:01
Speaker
That's right, guys. We'll take that as a challenge. Go get your girl. Right? This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie do stuff to end up into limbo.
00:05:14
Speaker
ha ha They unalive themselves. Emma and but Katie unalive themselves, yeah. To end up in limbo. And, uh, yeah, then they realize, find out that their girlfriend, who inspired their unaliving, uh, ex-girlfriend, we should say. Did ah it she? Is there two? We don't even, we don't even really, like, get that much information about it. Like,
00:05:40
Speaker
little bit i mean like it is in the sort of like description of the movie was that he gets broken up with and then that's what um sort of inspires his suicide oh i didn't read the description of the movie i try not to before i watch them because i is but for ones that i haven't seen you know yeah true um anyways uh that's right guys i'm emma and i'm katie and we are talking about a movie called wrist cutters colon a love story yeah From 2006. And when I found out that this was Eastern European, that was the least surprising thing that i learned about this movie.
00:06:19
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um It is written and directed by someone named Goran Dukic. I believe I'm pronouncing that right. He is Croatian. um This is his feature debut.
00:06:31
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And then he's made basically nothing since. Like he had some shorts before this. had a movie come out in 2022 called Even Pigs Go to Heaven, which does not exist.
00:06:42
Speaker
Like there's nobody who you'll recognize in that movie. um it's There's no information about it. Like this guy made this movie and then got a surprising amount of like b-list actors to be in it like every five minutes in this movie i'm like this guy's in this movie this is crazy like the cast of this is stacked it's crazy i don't know how he got these people in this movie um and then hasn't made anything sense yeah yeah and from what i can tell i mean i need to confirm this but as i was watching this i was like i bet they filmed this in croatia
00:07:23
Speaker
This looks like it was definitely filmed. I checked. No? That's the that's one of the first things. It's filmed California. Yeah. It was in Hollywood. It's filmed in California. It looks like Eastern Europe. They couldn't get all these people out to Eastern Europe.
00:07:35
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This was before, like, if this was now, yes, absolutely. Like, that bulgar the Bulgarian film industry is, great like, Bulgaria churned out Redbox movies. Like, if you want to, like, go on IMDb and look up Bruce Willis' is filmography, like, the last 20 movies he made are, like, tax shelter movies made in Romania.
00:07:56
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um or Or, oh, my God, what's his name? um Emma Roberts' dad, Eric Roberts. Hey, side note, did you know that and I believe that Eric Roberts has the record for being in the most movies, like unlike most um um studio movies of anyone ever?
00:08:15
Speaker
Seriously? I think so. his I think i some i like I read that on like and the internet at one point. You know Eric Roberts. You'd recognize me. He's Emma Roberts' dad. He's Julia Roberts' brother. um he was actually he He was famous before Julia and then like just his you know very declined.
00:08:32
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um yeah i think that he he had some like substance issues and some like attitude problems. like He was difficult on set and stuff. But he 40, 50 movies a year.
00:08:44
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um most of them yeah Most of them, like, shot in Eastern Europe for, you know, tax stuff. And he's, like, a name that people recognize. He was nominated for an Oscar, I think. Really? is a name that people that people recognize enough to, like, for him to be but put on the poster of this action movie that was made in a week, you know?
00:09:04
Speaker
It's a whole industry. Especially when Redbox. this guy. Yeah. Yeah. This guy. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah. especially when red box was a thing you know they wouldn't get yeah they wouldn't get um theater releases they would get straight to red box straight to dvd and you know the actors would get like a percentage of the gross and they would make all their money and like why bother with like going like making a big budget hollywood movie that's going to be a huge pain in the ass and take up a whole year when you can make more money doing you know spending six weeks in bulgaria
00:09:39
Speaker
And like, I've been to, but and not to disparage Bulgaria. I've been to Bulgaria. Bulgaria is beautiful. Like Bulgaria gets a a bad rap ah a lot of times. I mean, it is Eastern Europe. So, you know, they had some ah struggles and economic difficulties, but who hasn't?
00:09:52
Speaker
um My beloved acting. mean, we do not have any place to speak living in America right no, absolutely not. My beloved acting teacher in college was from Bulgaria. So we went, think, i don't know if i've mentioned that this podcast before. We went to Bulgaria for a while. We took a class on Eastern European absurdism and and went to Bulgaria and saw all kinds of like crazy plays and did mask work and stuff. It was, it was rad. Yeah.
00:10:17
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Yeah. But they have a very permissive like tax refund structure for, for movies shot in Bulgaria. So they shoot a lot of movies in Bulgaria. Yeah. um And also it's gorgeous. And like a lot of the nature is like untouched unlike here in America.
00:10:33
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Yeah. It's um ah yeah. it's it's It's not what you expect when you hear like Eastern Europe. And like and this is and and this isn't in Croatia but Croatia is you know Mediterranean. Like Croatia looks yeah like Italy.
00:10:45
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Like Dubrovnik is crazy beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of Americans have a very like Iron Curtain view of of what Eastern Europe looks like and you know Bulgaria looks like Greece.
Existential Themes and Film Analysis
00:10:57
Speaker
And Croatia looks like Italy. yeah yeah um That was in between two facts I was trying to get out. um The movie is based on a novella called Neller's Happy Campers by Edgar Keret, which I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but he is Israeli.
00:11:15
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um um Not Croatian. And that's... a I don't, I know this i know this is a non-research. This is a non-research podcast. I did look up, I'm like, how did this get made? But it's basically, basically all I found was like, yeah, this guy, he's this Croatian filmmaker. He moved to America. He made some shorts and then he got a budget to make this movie. And I don't know. that's That's as much as I could find. like Yeah. and i mean I don't know how he met these actors. like How he got these people this movie. There must have been someone. like ah They should make a movie about the making of this movie. Because like it's so fascinating how how ah this concept...
00:11:57
Speaker
got greenlit, and then got these actors. Because yeah basically, to sum everything up, what it is is but if you commit suicide, you don't go to heaven or hell.
00:12:11
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You go to sort of a limbo, which is kind of like the world you lived in, but worse. And everyone who's ever committed suicide is there, and they still have the scars of how they committed suicide.
00:12:23
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so Like Beetlejuice. Exactly. Exactly.
00:12:27
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And you are only allowed one more time to say that word and then no more. Cause then we'll have to do some like community-esque like Easter egg nonsense. And yeah. Well, then we'll have to deal with him and I don't have the time.
00:12:44
Speaker
What if I pick that as my, as a, as a go get your girl, go get your ghoul movie in October. go ah Then we'll have to summon him. um But basically you commit suicide. You go to this limbo where you have to have a job to afford an apartment and like other stuff.
00:13:03
Speaker
Like, cause you just, you don't, you don't get, you're still living. Just not just everything just kind of sucks. And everyone that you're around has also committed suicide. Except now you can't smile and there's no stars in the sky, which is yep poetic kind of like, I don't know. Like,
00:13:21
Speaker
To be fair, like, I mean, I did like multiple times think, what the fuck am I watching? But on the other hand, it's also it's it's also not a bad movie. like No, it's not. This was in the sort of collection of films that I watched as a teen that I thought made me artsy.
00:13:41
Speaker
So it was this. course Of course. It was Chum Scrubber. Have you ever watched the Chum Scrubber? Oh my God. Yes. Exactly. and That's exactly what I was going to going to to to throw out. Yeah. Yep. It was this. It was the Chum Scrubber. It was Elephant.
00:13:54
Speaker
And it was. Oh God. Yep. No. And then i think that that was that was like the big trio. Was like, I know that I'm like artistic and I have an appreciation. Oh, and like Marie Antoinette.
00:14:08
Speaker
you know oh sure uh-huh yeah yeah yeah i was like i have an appreciation for cinema and i'm artsy i wonder i'm trying to like wonder what the what mine were um i was like i was like like such an ah old hollywood person like so i was like watching like i was going to blockbuster and renting like movies from the thirty s and 40s and Like, ah I guess that's, I'm trying to think of like what what but my pretension was when I was that age. And I guess it was that. Oh, and also Fight Club.
00:14:42
Speaker
ah Oh, sure. Fight Club was the height of cinema. Yeah. ah i mean i think fight club is a good movie i've watched it recently like there's a lot of discourse about fight club but yeah fight club is like anything else that that you know terrible men can misinterpret you know i think exactly it's it's definitely has become something that it is against it's a shorthand for a movie a man likes but it's yeah um for for you know dumb reasons but it It's the whole thing like depiction is not endorsement. And that is such a hard cultural lesson for yeah so many people to learn that just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean that that means that the movie thinks it's cool and good.
00:15:27
Speaker
Exactly. Maybe the movie thinks that it's not cool and it's trying to force you to watch it because it's not cool. Yeah, um because sometimes we need to be we need to be ah ah confronted with with these things.
00:15:42
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um But this is not a podcast about Fight Club. It is not a podcast about Fight Club, but it is sort of similarly because in Charlie's Corner, Charlie's Corner, he also felt weird about this movie.
00:15:55
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Like he liked it. It's hard not to feel weird about it. Yeah, because he was like, is this just glar glamorizing suicide? And i was like, no, no, no, that's not the point of the movie. I don't think the point of the movie is to glamorize suicide in any way, shape, or form. no it It is showing you that there is something worth living for. If anything, it's by the ending, you it is showing that like you have something to worth living for and that your life might suck at one aspect, but like if you take something away from it, you might miss out and you might miss something.
00:16:28
Speaker
And so him finding love is like, yeah. it there's There's beauty and there's love and there's like, you know, art and and friendship and like all of these things, no matter how terrible everything is, no matter how much the world. I mean, like it's it's also very like the other thing is like, you know, this world that they're living in where you can't smile and there are no stars is like you know not that dissimilar from what's happened to at least this country.
00:16:56
Speaker
this movie came out in 2006, like two years later, the economy collapses completely, you know? And then like, exactly. Some would say everything's gotten worse since, but like, at least in some aspects.
00:17:09
Speaker
and But especially this year, especially like the, one of the worst years in American history, maybe the worst year. It's hard to say. I think be the worst.
00:17:21
Speaker
Yeah.
Character Analysis and Film's Unique Elements
00:17:23
Speaker
You know, It's like, that's that's kind of kind of like we all committed suicide and and woke up in the the world where you can't smile and there's no stars in the sky.
00:17:33
Speaker
yeah But it's still possible to like form meaningful relationships and yeah become best friends with Shea Wiggum and...
00:17:46
Speaker
Yep. And um also... Have a road trip and follow up with Shannon Sossaman for some reason. Yeah. And fall into a black hole underneath a car passenger seat.
00:17:59
Speaker
Yeah. Caitlin just walked into the living room and I said Shannon Sossamond and she gave me a dirty look. ah Caitlin has a long-standing feud with Shannon Sossamond. Oh, gotcha. So I'm assuming she did not watch this movie with you.
00:18:14
Speaker
She definitely did not watch this movie with me. No, this is not a movie she should watch.
00:18:22
Speaker
there's a lot of yeah and i mean like it should also be said like we get into sort of miracles like it doesn't get bible-y but it gets a little but like anti-bible-y yeah it's so this movie is so weird it's so weird i love it goes in directions like It's just sort of like it.
00:18:46
Speaker
And there's no easing you into it. Like the very first scene in this movie is, um, what's his name? Oh my God. Patrick Fugit. Patrick Fugit.
00:18:57
Speaker
The kid from Almost Famous. Yeah. The kid from Almost Famous. Um, playing basically the kid from Almost Famous. Um, A little bit. Yeah. um It's the scene where he commits suicide.
00:19:12
Speaker
He cleans up his apartment and then he kills himself. Yeah. He plays, he's playing, listening to Tom Waits, which. Yeah. okay Okay. Dead and Lovely by Tom Waits, which I didn't realize was foreshadowing, but.
00:19:26
Speaker
ah of and There's so many suicide Easter eggs in this. I could name them all. Well, no, I just mean I didn't realize that Tom Waits himself was going to show up an hour later in this movie. Oh, wait, Tom Waits is in this movie?
00:19:40
Speaker
Yes, Tom Waits is the, is, is Neller. He's the, the, the, the angel. That's Tom Waits? Yeah. Oh, I mean, he's in movies like Waits Is Gorgo Podelo in this movie?
00:19:54
Speaker
Okay, so no, but. Okay. Okay. Again, not a research podcast, but because this movie was so, like, I was so, like, just in the weeds on what this movie was.
00:20:06
Speaker
I did do a little research. So, Shea, we'll get into it, but Shea Wiggum, I don't know if I'm saying that right. I think it's, is it Shea or Shea? Like, S-H-E-A?
00:20:19
Speaker
Like, is it Shea? Shea Wiggum? I don't know. yeah I've always called him Shea Wiggum, but I've never like heard him ah say his own name. um Who's a character actor you definitely would recognize. Absolutely.
00:20:33
Speaker
I'm talking to the audience when I say you. um He was on Boardwalk Empire is what I know him from first, but he's been in all kinds of stuff. ah He's great. I love him. He's in the most recent Mission Impossible movie. um it's he's he's a he's a He's a fun actor.
00:20:48
Speaker
Yeah. He's very young in this, but he... yeah So the guy who made this movie is friends with the guy from Gogol Bordello, because of course he is. Of course. And his character, Eugene, is based on the the guy from Gogol Bordello, whose name is Eugene. Because for a hot second, I was like, is that the guy from Gor... I don't know what the guy from Gogol Bordello looks like, but like is that him?
00:21:10
Speaker
Well, the guy from Gogol Bordello is in Everything is Illuminated with Elijah Wood. like he He's the the second lead in that movie, and that's the only movie he's ever been in. yeah
00:21:22
Speaker
Oh, okay. because like But yeah they yeah, his band that that they play on the tapes is Gogol Bordello, and they play a lot of Gogol Bordello songs in this, which is so 2006. Like...
00:21:34
Speaker
so 2006 it just sort can't tell you the number of number of times like a bunch of drunk people in my car like i i wasn't drunk but driving home from a party and everybody in the car is singing start wearing purple wearing purple yeah um i love it very accurate yeah Yeah.
00:21:58
Speaker
And then also um but another very 2006 moment was ah everything that Shannon, what's her name, wears. At one point she does walk out of the car with a dress over jeans.
00:22:10
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And I'm like, Oh yeah. ah With like boots. And I'm like everything that she wears and down to her haircut. I'm like, boy, what a time 2006 was for fashion.
00:22:21
Speaker
yeah Cause only she could pull that off. Yeah. it's very Sassamon. um yeah Did we watch another movie with Shannon Sossamon? I feel like we've talked about Sossamon before feel like we have too She's also one of those actors that's in a lot of rom-coms of the early to mid 2000s I mean it would we may have talked about 40 Days and Nights No I mean not and we didn't have an episode on it but it may have come I mean A Knight's Tale also is probably the most famous movie she's in Which one?
00:22:55
Speaker
A Knight's Tale Oh, yeah, a nice tale. um For sure. Or at least the best movie she's in, probably.
00:23:05
Speaker
i always get her confused with the other one who looks just like her who's in center stage and 10 Things I Hate About You. Oh, um yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. um yeah I can't remember her name. We watched Center Stage not long ago.
00:23:18
Speaker
ah But um yeah, so it's also, so I was all honestly surprised based on the name of this movie and the general vibe so far. I was surprised based on the the general vibe of this movie and everything that they...
00:23:33
Speaker
didn't show him commit suicide he yeah it the camera is fixed and it's showing him clean up his his like really messy depressive nest of an apartment and he's playing tom waits dead and lovely and then he goes into the bathroom and you just kind of see him like it's on his face and you see him like cut his wrists but it doesn't actually show it which is big i think because we watched the royal tannenbaums um recently and that has such a more like explicit um suicide scene like it showed like in the hospital when he takes those bandages off and you see those like the stitches all over it's horrible yeah um but they don't do that they don't really show any violence
00:24:17
Speaker
no I guess the most violent, they do show Nick Offerman, uh, like shoot himself in the, in the, in the, in the head, but there's, it's a lot of it is like, you see it immediately after it, or it's, it's just kind of implied. So it's, um, I was surprised there was a little bit of restraint there based on the, on the category of, of everything else that was happening. Yeah.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah. Um, but yeah. And you hear Patrick Fugret, he's, um, doing the, uh, voiceover of explaining of like, what his life is like. And like, then you see him wake up in the limbo, but it's been some time that he's been there and he works at, you guessed it guys, Kamikaze Pizza, which is not a good.
00:25:02
Speaker
Soon after I killed myself, I got a job here at Kamikaze Pizza, which like, that's gotta be the first line of the novella. Like that's, that's a good line. Like that's a good line. That's a good line.
00:25:13
Speaker
Yeah. That's that really like, it tells you what world we're in. And like, yeah it's not a great pizza place. It kind of He's got a roommate. There's like, and the whole, ah um the whole movie is shot with this like dingy filter kind of on it. I don't know if it's, it's post or if it's, or if they shot it that way, like.
00:25:35
Speaker
But also like very 2006, I felt like so many like music videos and like TV shows were like shot in that like grainy, like yeah darkened grayish filter. Yeah. Which is like,
00:25:46
Speaker
it's It's kind of, i mean, it looks shitty. Like, it's definitely intentional. Like, it's because the whole movie pretty much takes place in this this world. And the first scene isn't shot that way. So you know that it's not just a budget concern. Yeah.
00:26:01
Speaker
yeah So it is intentional, but like the, you're the whole movie. You're in this like drab, like and under saturated, like gross looking, like, like world, which is, yeah I guess, I guess what you got to do, you know?
00:26:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's like a Beetlejuice and that's twice. Damn it. Fear and loathing in Las Vegas had a baby. That's what this world would be.
00:26:31
Speaker
It reminded me of like movies from the 2000s where they like go to Mexico, you know so everything like turns yellow all of a sudden. yeah And there's just a bunch of sand everywhere, and everything kind of sucks, and you can't smile.
00:26:46
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It's that's weird. It's in that very emo vibe. Yeah, yeah. People start showing up. We get flashbacks to his ex-girlfriend, who's like Leslie Bibb.
00:26:58
Speaker
Who's Leslie Bibb? A very young Leslie Bibb. leslie but Yeah, and like we um we just finished the most recent season of The White Lotus, so it was wild to see her show up 20 years younger. Right, we just started it.
00:27:10
Speaker
And so it was so funny seeing it. Charlie was like, is that the lady from White Lotus? She has the same haircut. Like, you can't. exactly It's so funny. Later on, she says, to oh, you like you like my haircut. I'm like, well, yeah, you've got the same haircut 20 years later. You haven't changed it a bit.
00:27:27
Speaker
um I should note it note that she's 33 in this movie, and Patrick Fugit is 23. really she's 33 girl's got good genes yeah she looks great yeah im and then immediately a bunch of people start showing up um shaya wiggum shows up who is this terrible russian musician who his whole family committed suicide so he lives with his mom and his dad and his younger brother Yep.
00:27:58
Speaker
Which I was worried. There was a moment that I thought that this movie was going to get homophobic because it was 2006. And he mentioned that his younger brother was gay and that's why he committed suicide. No, that's why his dad committed suicide.
00:28:10
Speaker
Oh, that's why his dad committed suicide? Because his younger brother was His younger brother committed suicide because he his older brother, Chea Wigman, or what wi whatever, the Russian guy's name, was He wasn't around to, like, talk him off a ledge. And so then you get a this really funny flashback of the first time his little brother tries to commit suicide after a soccer game because they lost a soccer game.
00:28:36
Speaker
And he's standing on the, like, dining room table with, like, a jump rope. And he's about to, like, hang himself with a jump rope. And i his brother comes out and he goes... uh, come here, come here, come down, down here. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you what's life is worth living for.
00:28:53
Speaker
Um, so he does instead, he just slaps his little brother. Yeah. Very Russian. Very Russian. I LOL. It was great. um Yeah, so yeah, he does say that his his dad committed suicide because he found out his younger brother was gay.
00:29:09
Speaker
But then as soon as like his little brother showed up here, like he was so apologetic and like, you know, he yeah he immediately regretted it, of course. As happens.
00:29:22
Speaker
um So yeah, I think that, yeah, it's kind of sweet. um But yeah, he so he has his whole family here. And of course, Patrick Fugit has no one and he's... ah yeah living with ah with another with a character actor I recognize who's in a ton of stuff, who's doing an Arnold Schwarzenegger impression in this movie.
00:29:42
Speaker
Pretty much. And like his roommate sucks. He can only pee while sitting down. ah
00:29:51
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and um he doesn't like it when, you know, I mean, to be fair, Patrick Fugret is not a good roommate. He eats the guy's cottage cheese. Cottage cheese. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:02
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um The depression didn't wear off after they killed themselves and they went to to limbo is the is the thing. So basically it's it's like a world where everyone is clinically depressed.
00:30:14
Speaker
um Yeah. so again So again, kind of like America in 2025. Yeah. Yeah. yeah But I feel like there's a few exceptions. There's like, um there's the couple who committed suicide together who in the hot tub.
00:30:27
Speaker
Oh, the mechanic. and pannic that The mechanic. The guy from from Sense of Anarchy and Clayne Crawford. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep. um yeah Famously fired from the TV show because he was such an asshole. Do you know about this story?
00:30:44
Speaker
No. What is that story? Okay. Have you seen have you seen Rectify? No, but I've heard of it. Oh, God. It's such a great show. It's just the saddest thing in the world. um Luckily, there's only like 24.
00:30:56
Speaker
It's kind of like The Leftovers. I mean, I think The Leftovers is is a better show, but this this show is also very good. It's about um a guy who went to prison for like 20 years for a murder he didn't commit. And then he gets exonerated um ah through DNA evidence and he gets out.
00:31:13
Speaker
And it's about him like trying to like live after being in prison for 25 years or something. And his family and everything. But Clayne Crawford is ah is in that show and he's fantastic. And he like got a lot of acclaim for it. And then he started getting bigger and bigger pul parts. And then he got the tv network TV show, which you know mate was making a lot of money and stuff. It was him and Damon Wayans Sr. in a Lethal Weapon TV show.
00:31:42
Speaker
ah And apparently... It was awful. I mean, I've never seen an episode of it, but apparently it was awful. And he and Damon Wayans, neither one really wanted to do the show, but, you know, it was on network TV. It was making... This was like in 2015, 2016 or something. Yeah.
00:31:59
Speaker
And i they it was it was just awful. um And he got ah yeah he got fired and replaced with Sean William Scott because he was so much of an asshole and now he hasn't been in anything since, basically.
00:32:11
Speaker
Jesus. Well... He's in this movie. um Yeah. Rectify is a really good show if you want to have a bummer of a time. ah Luckily, it is only like 24 episodes total or something like that. It's like. OK. I was going to say, do I want to have a bad time in this economy?
00:32:31
Speaker
It's very emotional. um But um yes. Where was I? um Yeah. Yeah. So yeah most people are depressed in this in this world. most people are depressed.
00:32:45
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That's sort of the overall just vibe.
Road Trip and Character Development
00:32:48
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And yeah ah there's like a big city and nobody really leaves where they are when they're there.
00:32:56
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um So like if you end up in the big city like Zia does, you just kind of don't leave because like what's the point? um But there are cars and there are highways and there are ways to move around.
00:33:09
Speaker
But they only sort of work. They only sort of work? Yeah. It's all very it's all very like post-communist bloc. It's all very Eastern European. It's all very, like, you know, no economy, no government. yeah like yeah Everybody is kind of having to to struggle just to to do anything. um So, Shea Wiggum, who we should say is ah is was a musician, and he...
00:33:37
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um He killed himself by pouring a beer on his guitar on stage, which I got to tell you, as someone who knows a little bit about ah guitars, that won't kill you. That won't electrocute you.
00:33:48
Speaker
Well, it will in this movie. um but um And he went out like a badass. Yes, yes. That's the idea. ah But his band was terrible and nobody liked them.
00:34:00
Speaker
But like the the the music is Gogol Bordello because he has a car with headlights that don't work. And there's a black hole under the passenger seat where if yeah anything drops into there, it's gone.
00:34:13
Speaker
It's gone forever. And he has, somehow he has his tapes with him because they were in his jacket pocket when he killed himself. Is that what it was? Yeah. They were in his pocket when he offed himself. Yeah. So there's a lot, that's what they they call it. Offed.
00:34:26
Speaker
ah Yeah. When they when you offed. Yeah. Yeah. um So there's a lot of Google Bordella music in this, which like, Isn't any, they always talk about how bad the band is in the movie. Like that's a real band in there.
00:34:38
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's esoteric, but like it was, it somehow became popular in America for a short time, which is, you know, odd for a um Ukrainian, I believe is, is where um they're from. Yeah.
00:34:53
Speaker
ah but like they they play like the one song over and over and over again um and so like you know we get this cute little montage later when we're on the road trip of them all singing the song and it's it's very sweet and cute um but uh which is not start wearing purple it's a different song no it's a different song it's like yeah i uh i'll find out you keep talking Okay. um So the catalyst for what what moves the plot forward um is Zia goes to replace the cottage cheese that he ate of his roommates.
00:35:26
Speaker
And he's at the store and he runs into someone that he knows who offed themselves. And he ah he says, you know, they say that suicides happen in three, who's also another character actor who you would recognize.
00:35:41
Speaker
Um, and he, uh, he's like, yeah, when you off yourself and then when, um, your ex-girlfriend offed herself and he goes, wait, what?
00:35:53
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She offed herself. And he was like, yeah, she killed herself. And so he's assuming that she killed himself herself because he killed himself and she felt so bad and he has to go find her because he's still in love with her.
00:36:07
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So he enlists a Gorgo Bodello guy. and Eugene. can call him Eugene. Eugene. you d The song is called Occurrence on the Border, by the way. Although there are two other songs in the ah in the in the movie, but that's the one they play multiple times. Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker
Yeah. ah Which is very fun. um And very Gorgo Bodello. Yeah. yeah But he's just like, well, we've got to go find her. and And you've got a car. And he's like, i don't know about this. you know And somehow he convinces him to go on this road trip. And they start going on a road trip. And then we start with like the reoccurring bit of um where we enter in the black hole underneath the seat And Zia keeps losing Eugene's sunglasses because he keeps dropping them below the seat.
00:36:57
Speaker
and He's are real Butterfingers. Yeah. Yeah. He's real Butterfingers.
00:37:05
Speaker
And everything is desert. And also they can't drive at night because Eugene's cars, ah ah headlights don't work. So ah no matter how much you try to fix them, they don't work.
00:37:18
Speaker
um they They spend an entire day at this mechanics place trying to get the the headlights to work and they, and they won't do it. And they won't work. um And is that where they meet Shannon Sossaman?
00:37:29
Speaker
That's where they meet Shannon Sossaman because they see her on the side of the road. She's hitchhiking. And all right they pick they pick her up um and she's like, ah where are you guys going? And they're like, i don't know, a place.
00:37:45
Speaker
And she's like, you don't know where you're going, are you? And he goes, do you know where you're going? And her whole deal is that she wants to find the people in charge. And wants to find the people in charge. Because she doesn't think she belongs there. Exactly. She doesn't think she belongs there. She thinks that there's been some sort of mistake. And everyone thinks she's crazy because It does not seem like there are people in charge, but she's heard stories. And the more she talks to people, she gets clues about where the people in charge are and how to find them.
00:38:14
Speaker
And apparently they wear white. And that's all we really know about them. Yeah. Yeah. And nobody believes Zia and Eugene don't believe they exist.
00:38:27
Speaker
Exactly. you know, its company. Also, we should point out that the guy that he knew is Jake Busey. um Yeah, Jake Busey. Who runs into. Again, like, every time, like,
00:38:37
Speaker
a tiny character shows up. it's I'm Leonardo DiCaprio with the beer can pointing at the screen. This movie is just... Again, how did they get all these people in this movie? I don't understand. have idea. This seems like, on paper, it's this like weird indie movie that's like cool, but you don't but nobody's in it. you know like Right? and it's It's just not that. yeah Right?
00:39:02
Speaker
Because it's just like... ah I wish that None of the fricking ah ah ah trivia facts on IMDb tell me anything about this.
00:39:16
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It's all about actors who were in other things together. um so yeah, Shannon Sassaman is like, I guess she's a she's an emo girl. We eventually, like I think we find out, it eventually shows us how everybody killed themselves. um and But she's a mystery for a long time, but she finally tells him that she she didn't kill herself, she OD'd.
00:39:36
Speaker
Which, mean, technically it is killing yourself, but, you know, whatever. We'll let it slide. I thought that she had drank bleach, and that's why she was always chewing gum. That's what a note I wrote here.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think that that ever makes a point. just i think No, I think that it's because she's an addict, right?
00:39:59
Speaker
Oh. There's so many layers to this movie. Yeah, she smokes she smokes and chews gum, which are both, like, you know, yeah um ah addictive personality yeah yeah signifiers. And she also um loves to do the opposite of what signs tell her to do.
00:40:17
Speaker
So like she steals a um ah ah um
00:40:24
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a thieves will be heavily prosecuted sign. So she steals it. And then later on she... there's a sign in the big cult at the end where it says like save save the messiah or like something and she puts an h in between save and save the messiah uh she's a she's a she's a real uh
00:40:53
Speaker
character in a movie in the 2000s I don't know yeah oh for sure it's like Manny takes a manic pixie dream yeah it's but it's like Natalie Portman in uh yeah in Garden State a little bit like she's just a little quirky you know Yeah, she's little kooky. And, like, she only really exists.
00:41:11
Speaker
Well, actually, no, she's not a pure Manic Pitsy Dream Girl because she doesn't purely exist to forward Zia's plot line. She has more of a character, yeah. She she has desires and um her own sort of goal that she's trying to achieve, which is yeah to talk to the people in charge to get sent back.
00:41:29
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Yes.
00:41:32
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Eventually they get to this place called Neller's camp ah where they meet but the first day meet Tom Waits, who's asleep in the street. and he And he stands up and I like literally like screamed like, why is Tom Waits in this movie?
00:41:50
Speaker
um uh love tom waits um and he is this kind of enigmatic figure who's he's looking for his dog which he lost but he runs this camp of these these these people who are like kind of you you know banded together out here kind of in the middle of nowhere john hawks is there um when they first get there who's another character actor that people would recognize When they first get there, um he John Hawks is floating ah three feet in the air. And yeah um Patrick Fugit's like, that guy that guy was floating. And everyone's like, you're crazy.
00:42:27
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Maybe he was. But it turns out in this area, little miracles happen. And the whole idea, then we get into this sort of like...
00:42:36
Speaker
like and third plot of patrick fugre is like well i wanted to do a miracle and everyone around him is doing these miracles and tom waits is like shannon saw someone fixes the headlights exactly and then she also when she's lighting her match to uh light her cigarette she lets go of the match and it goes floating in the air um like it flies away and um and then starting a forest fire somewhere Probably. They live in what seems like a place where it never rains.
00:43:06
Speaker
So I have to assume it would just, as soon as it touches anything flammable. um And then Eugene ah starts flirting with Nanook, who is a mute um throat singer.
00:43:21
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ah Not of indigenous origin.
00:43:26
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i Yeah, I guess not. Well, I mean, she's... Is she supposed to be like Finnish or something? Or is she supposed to be like Inuit? they They never specify.
00:43:38
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Nanook is, ah you know, that that name, it's ah it's based on Nanook of the North, the like fake documentary from the 20s about the indigenous um Alaskan people that it turned out was was, you know, fake, but was like a huge, like basically the first documentary, I think.
00:43:54
Speaker
um Yeah. And documentary now made fun of it.
Resolution and Surreal Elements
00:43:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. really greatly i love documentary now it's great job oh yeah me too um so yeah so eugene and nanook uh like are off together and like they're doing miracles all the time like patrick fugit is watching him he's like watch he's making that fish change color
00:44:19
Speaker
almost 2000s away it's so bad oh god like that fish turns purple at one point it's so weird it's this movie just goes off in these like kind of tangents um over and over um he and shannon sauceman and i like and here's like the rom-com part of it i guess um they're
00:44:44
Speaker
the What is the attraction here? What is the chemistry that these two have? They get each other. Did you not watch all those montages where they're just like having a great time and finding each other's spark? And they found each other's weird person in limbo.
00:45:02
Speaker
Yeah. I guess, but like he's ah constantly obsessed with finding his ex-girlfriend. We do get a couple of cutaways, um yeah which where we see Leslie Bibb and she's driving across the the country and she's looking for what we assume to be him.
00:45:19
Speaker
But it turns out it wasn't him that she's looking for. But she is talking about finding him. But that's not who. She's not talking about Patrick Puget. We find out. So you have to assume that it's But then we also get these really lovely. There's like those few scenes between Shannon and Patrick Puget.
00:45:37
Speaker
and Where he's like, you know. um She's constantly asking those manic-mixy-dream girl questions of like, what do you miss from life before? Yeah. yeah and he's like you know you asked me what i missed from life before and the thing is is that like when i'm here with you i miss who i used to be but like i wish that i was that person essentially saying i wish that that i was that person like with you because i would if i was back there i would miss this um which i thought was very very sweet and and lovely and then and that got me i was like obviously they're in love
00:46:11
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He says, it makes me miss my parents, even though most of the time they just freaked me out, which is like, that's such a good descriptor of parents. Right. right
00:46:24
Speaker
boy oh boy um there's yeah and like the little there's like weird little cars in this movie like this little tiny like train they get on and at the end like all of the production design and stuff is just so like communist block uh coded yes it's yeah very much in that uh in that aesthetic and i i It's hard to it's hard to to read it as as anything. And and again, other because it's 2025, it's like a post-economic collapse kind of yeah of movie.
00:46:56
Speaker
um Yeah. Oh, totally. There's... Oh, Nick Offerman. Did we say Nick Offerman was there? Yeah, they run into Nick Offerman, who... Pre-fame Nick Offerman. like the hadn't He wasn't in anything before this. yeah This was like early days is Nick Offerman.
00:47:12
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He's a cop that arrests Shannon Sassabon. And yeah yeah we get a flashback of he is a soldier who decided to kill himself but instead of like fighting. I'm assuming he was in Vietnam.
00:47:25
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It looks like he's in Vietnam. yeah it look Yeah, probably. yeah Yeah. um And instead of running into the fighting, he instead turns the gun on himself.
00:47:36
Speaker
yeah And i one of my notes say, I like that we pointed at some Islamophobia and addressed it. Yeah, that's true. I mean, 2006. two thousand Which is actually really nice to see. Yeah.
00:47:48
Speaker
Eugene is like, there's there's an Arab guy driving a cab. And it's like, you've never seen an Arab guy driving a cab before? And he goes, yeah, but an Arab guy that killed himself? And they're like, he's like, dude, chill out. like You sound like a Homeland Security guy.
00:48:00
Speaker
Yes! He's like, chill out. Like, we're already all dead. What is it? What's the worst thing that's going to happen? They do have, they they do mention a little bit about, like, what happens if you kill yourself again. um Yeah. Because, you know, everyone's depressed. You're in the worst place.
00:48:13
Speaker
Yeah. But, Yeah, I mean, that's they basically the understanding. So nobody does it. um So it's just basically you're falling through the different levels of hell. It seems like. Yeah, they then they they don't know. They they assume so, too.
00:48:28
Speaker
Yeah. Because you don't know until you do it. Exactly. um We also, oh also I wanted to mention like ah Amy Simons shows up really quick early on in in the bar.
00:48:39
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um yeah. Azura Sky. Yeah. They're both in this. Amy Simons who makes horror movies now. Yeah. And John Hawks comes back and he's like, hey, I found this cult or whatever. Like I found your dog. He's telling Tom Waits he found his dog.
00:48:58
Speaker
And it's at the rival cult. Yes, exactly. It's at the rival cult, which is led, we find out, by Will Arnett. Who's who the king. They call him the king. yeah but And he's got Tom Waits' dog, and it's it's Will Arnett. And Will Arnett was like famous at this point. This is post-Arrested Development. So yeah he was, yeah.
00:49:22
Speaker
Unlike Nick Offerman. like He was in stuff it's before this. It's like peak Will Arnett time. two thousand say Oh, for sure, for sure. And he's basically playing Job from Arrested Development.
00:49:33
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um He even does the, he's got the fans blowing on him when he's, when he kills himself with like on stage in the flashback. Yeah. Might as well be playing the final countdown. Yeah.
00:49:44
Speaker
Right. so good and so they get to this rival cult well they like try to find it and it takes them a while because the only way they can find it is by what's his name getting lost and um they get there and it should be said that it's only patrick fugit and shannon sassaman who go um eugene stays behind because he has found love in the nook and wants to do throat singing and which great go do it well tom waits goes with him right Tom Waits goes with him. Yeah. That other character actor guy goes and then John Hawks.
00:50:20
Speaker
Yeah. And so they get to this place where there's like a big old party happening where there's like food and drinks and everyone's having a great time. And ah they they're like, oh, well, we want to talk to the king and because he's got our friend's dog.
00:50:37
Speaker
And so they get in and Tom Waits and Will Arnett obviously know each other. And Will Arnett's like, well, the dog likes me better. um because i gave him a t-bone yeah the dog is like better barking at tom waits and tom waits is sad but leslie bibb is there leslie bibb is there and then we find out that basically what happened was after zia commits suicide leslie bibb was so upset that she found solace in will arnett who was basically ah cult guy and she sort of fell into his cult
00:51:11
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A cult magician. um Yeah. He
00:51:16
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really is just just a movie. Kind of, yeah. And I love it. um And so his whole like thing was to prove to his followers was that he was going to show that like i don't know, you could kill yourself and come back or something? Like your soul...
00:51:36
Speaker
Yeah, he wanted to separate the soul from the body. And he he he said thought that if he killed himself, he could, like, like like you know, Jesus. um kids goingnna He was going to die and come back. That was that was his his plan.
00:51:51
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um But he didn't do that, obviously. He just killed himself. dies. Yeah. And so Leslie Bibb goes to the top floor of the hospital and jumps off. Because yeah she loves Will Arnett so much.
00:52:02
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And she's got, like, a cane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. because she Because when you kill yourself, you come back to this world with like the um injuries of your suicide.
00:52:15
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Yeah. Just like that other movie that we won't mention the name of. Yeah. Just like that one. Just like that. Because we can't. We can't.
00:52:25
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And so Will Arnett wants to prove that he can still do it. And so he has created a new cult in the afterlife. And he's going to do the same trick again. And Leslie Bibb is all here for it.
00:52:38
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And as, you know, this is all happening, Shan Sossaman is, like, kind of wandering away. And um Zia, Patrick, great has realized that he loves her.
00:52:52
Speaker
And at one point, Tom Waits is like, you gotta tell her. But he realizes that he loves her after he realizes that Leslie Bibb doesn't love him. so like, it's a little... like he started realizing it earlier and the fact that leslie bibb was there just sort of like that like oh no i don't know what to really do and then it was relief that leslie bibb was there for will or not and for him that's how i interpreted it um um And and so she Shan Sassaman is like sort of at the edge of this like big cult thing happening. Tom Waits turns to Patrick Fugret and he goes, you got to tell her that you love him.
00:53:33
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Yeah. it Gives the go get your girl speech. He does. how Maybe. And so um but also at the same time, he has a walkie talkie. He pulls out a walkie-talkie and is like, it's happening. I'm like, who's he talking to? and that's Will Arnett kills himself.
00:53:50
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And Leslie Bibb is like, oh no, he's dead. um And then people start falling from the sky. in Like, and fans vans pull up. People start parachuting in.
00:54:02
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um and it turns out... and why It's the people in charge. It turns out that Tom Waits... is one of the people in charge or he works for them. And he's been undercover this whole time trying to sting Will Arnett, I guess.
00:54:21
Speaker
I guess. And like the camp he or, or he was undercover with the camp he was running. It's not really explained. Yeah, well, the camp that he was running wasn't ah protocol. He just did that because he was lonely.
00:54:34
Speaker
And, like, that was kind of against the rules. Because they mentioned that at the end. That camp, Neller's camp was sort of like... And he does say that, like, Neller's camp was an accident. and Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.
00:54:45
Speaker
Yeah, and then they say that, like, that was, like, he kind of got in trouble for that. But um the whole point was for... To sort of catch Will Arnett or, like, you know...
00:54:57
Speaker
do something anyways so like all these people i mean like he shouldn't be starting a cult in limbo like i guess you know exactly like no one should start a cult in limbo just don't start a cult anywhere just like don't do it i mean yeah right just don't we're gonna come back this podcast is anti-cult anti-cult please just don't just don't do it don't do it
00:55:24
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But yeah. The other, real quick, before, one one one last thing. you um ah Tom Waits tells Zia on multiple occasions when he's talking about how he can't do a miracle. He's like, it only happens if it doesn't matter.
00:55:38
Speaker
Yeah. Like, you have to to to not care so much about it. Yeah. yeah Which is basically how all good things happen in life, some might say. I found, you know, when you stop looking for something, that's when you find it, right? Mm-hmm.
00:55:52
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. um So she Shannon Sassomon gets thrown in the van with ah people in in charge and Because she's talking to them. Yeah, and gets and gets driven away. And she's like, I'll be back in five minutes to him, which is something that happens in the bar earlier, where Eugene tells him, like, if a woman says, I'll be back in five minutes, the next thing you know, she's going to leave the bar with some guy. Yep, exactly. And guess what? Sharon Sossaman never comes back.
00:56:21
Speaker
Instead, Eugene and Nanook come, and they drive up to him, and he's like, I'm waiting for, what's her name, Mika or Makai? ah um my McCall. It's McCall.
00:56:31
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McCall. McCall. I'm waiting for McCall. Everyone in this movie has weird names except for Eugene. Yeah. I knew a girl named McCall once. Yeah. She went to my school. Yeah. yeah M I C H A L. McCall. Yeah. McCall.
00:56:43
Speaker
Um, it's cool name. Uh, but yeah. And they're like, I don't think she's just coming back, dude. I think she's coming back. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta move on. And so then you think it's all over for him.
00:56:55
Speaker
Well, Eugene knows that she got that she went back to Earth. Like, yeah Eugene finds out. Yeah. Yeah. And so she gets a passport back. They look and they see that it there was a mix up.
00:57:07
Speaker
She wasn't supposed to be there. And so she gets sent back to Earth through like a TSA. Yeah. Yeah, she has a passport that gets stamped and she she goes off. um And then we see Tom Waits in like this file room and he's like looking through her her files and he pulls her file out. it So I think that she was supposed to be there and he intervened because he- No, no. He's not sign up pulling her file. He's he's pulling Zia's file.
00:57:35
Speaker
Oh, but it's got a photo of her in it. i guess it's a photo of both of them. Yeah, maybe. ok maybe And he is going to the he's going through the files and like feathers are flying everywhere when he's doing it. It's like real subtle, guys.
00:57:49
Speaker
And he goes, helps to know someone in charge. Tom Waits is an angel in this movie. A literal angel, we should say. A literal
Reflections on Emo Culture and Film's Impact
00:57:59
Speaker
angel.
00:57:59
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I was telling this movie talking talking about this movie to Cassie and Luke last night. I'm like, yeah, and Tom Waits plays an angel and Luke's like, well, gotta watch it now. Yep, yep. It's, I think it is, it is not the best film, but it's still pretty solid. Like, I love this movie.
00:58:15
Speaker
It's, I mean, like, especially for a for a ah debut, like, it's one of it's kind of a movie where I'm like, oh, I'd love to see what this guy does next. And then what he did next was nothing. Nothing. yeah it was i mean there are he has made two movies but both of them like don't exist like it's it's i don't yeah it's weird yeah disappointing um yeah so then zia's super depressed because the woman that he realized that he was in love with went back to earth and now he's all alone because eugene has gone off with nanook and on a tiny train on a tiny little train
00:58:53
Speaker
And Nanook, or not Nanook, Neller is obviously gone because he got transferred because his cover was blown. And so the only yeah thing that he can think to do is to crawl underneath the seat in Eugene's car and go into the black hole.
00:59:10
Speaker
Well, i felt I felt like that he didn't do it on purpose. Like, that's what that's how I got it. Because oh hesley he drops the tape. Like, he has he's in he's in Eugene's car and he has the tape.
00:59:22
Speaker
And he's like flipping it over or whatever. and No, it's starting to, no, he it's it because it the tap the tape deck isn't in the car. He's got like a little radio, a little cassette player, like a tiny little boom box. And it's messing up. And he's like messing with it. takes the tape out and he drops the tape under the seat.
00:59:37
Speaker
And it's like his prize, is only his only possession, right? So he goes to reach for it and falls under the seat the black hole. That's how I read it at least. Oh, okay.
00:59:48
Speaker
Okay. That makes sense. That makes a little bit more sense. um Because as he's falling through this black hole is at the exact same time that Tom waits as an angel is making this call that he's going to send him back to earth.
01:00:00
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Yeah. And they both wake up in the hospital. the same hospital room. here They're in the same hospital room. and They're staring at each other and they remember their time in purgatory. Yeah.
01:00:14
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It seems like. yeah Yeah. And they they're just like, they're together and they can be together and they can be happy and they can make each other's lives happy. um And it's all said within 15 seconds of stairs. And it's beautiful. and they smile, which they can't do in lee yeah and the limbo. Yeah.
01:00:30
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Exactly. Exactly. End of movie. It's cute. Yeah. And then Gogo Bordello plays. Then Gogo Bordello plays. Yeah. So so that was wrist cutters. Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:42
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um what a movie what a movie what time um yeah 2006 it was a time boy oh boy and i mean like like i said it should be said that like in the 2000s suicide and self-harm was very much glamorized i mean you look at any lyrics of any emo songs specifically hawthorne heights sure Um, and, and you'll like, just know that like, I mean, and it was all over, you know, my space and like, just, you know, it was like almost a, ah trying to make like, you're cutting scars a fashion accessory. Like, oh, God. Yeah. Yeah.
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01:01:20
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yeah yeah you know like that was sort of like the the idea of why this sort of worked in that time um so i mean it seems a little insane now looking back on it but um but yeah yeah it it was it was a weird time 2006 was a weird time it was a weird time and watching this movie was a weird time yeah any other thoughts feelings opinions um i think that's it yeah that we've gone through it i've started keeping notes uh on my phone instead of in a notebook so i can read it so smart smart smart uh i think i gave charlie's corner which is he doesn't know how to feel about this movie fair yeah
01:02:10
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It's difficult to know how to feel about this movie, I think. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it it's weird to say that it's like your favorite. I mean, that was a lot of the Letterboxd reviews that I read was like, they were, it was like, how is a comfort movie where people can't smile?
01:02:24
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How is a movie where people can't smile my favorite comfort movie? Like, how is that my favorite comfort watch? And it's just like, yeah yeah, I get it. I mean, it is a hangout. Like, it's ah it's a it's it's a road trippy, hangout-y movie. So I yeah i get that, yeah. I think.
01:02:38
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You get in and out in 90 minutes. Great. Yeah. I think it's like an hour 45 actually. But yeah. Something like that. It's around the same time.
01:02:50
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Anyways. Oh no You're right. 89 minutes. I'm sorry. I take it back. Yeah. Hells yeah. i was like it was not that long. um What movie are we doing next week Katie?
01:03:01
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Next week we are doing a classic going back to the 90s to watch Clueless. Hell yeah. Is it because the West End musical just opened?
01:03:13
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ah No, I didn't know about that. Oh, well, I'll do some research into the musical. It looks bad. There you go. Okay. Most musicals based on movies are.
01:03:24
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Yeah. Very excited. As if. Thank you for listening to Go Get Your Girl. If you like us, tell your friends and please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
01:03:35
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01:03:50
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01:04:06
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Good night. Good night.