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#88 Brit Barbieri - Catalina Island, USOs & more
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Brit is a Ufologist, Cryptozoologist and Paranormal researcher and Investigator. She is also the host of the Podcast, No Earthly Explanation alongside Don Schmitt.
Brit also featured in the TV series: Unidentified with Demi Lovato. You can catch Brit in a new episode of the series UFO Witness with Ben Hanson where the team investigates Catalina Island in the search for USO's.
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Brit also featured in the TV series: Unidentified with Demi Lovato. You can catch Brit in a new episode of the series UFO Witness with Ben Hanson where the team investigates Catalina Island in the search for USO's.
Brit Linktree: https://linktr.ee/brit_investigates
Watch Phenomenology here: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/phenomenol...
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Transcript
Introduction and gratitude
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Happy Friday, everybody, and welcome back to the show. I'm your host, Vinny Adams. It is good to be here, as always. Good to see you guys in the live chat. Before I bring on my guest, I just want to say thank you to everybody who has watched, commented, reviewed the
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Phenomenology documentary series that we filmed in Columbia earlier in the year. We've had such an overwhelming amount of support and feedback. So thank you guys so much.
Guest introduction: Brit Barbieri
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We have just announced that you can now rent the following episodes after the free one for $3.99 each, which is the price of a coffee. So the links are in the description of this video somewhere. If you want to go and check out Phenomenology and you haven't already,
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But yeah, thank you guys so much, but let's not waste any more time. I've wanted to speak to my guests for some time now. She is a UFO researcher, cryptozoology, paranormal. She covers everything, but she's not just a researcher. She's also a boots on the ground investigator, which I always have so much respect for people that actually get out and get down and dirty in the field. So guys,
Brit's childhood encounters with the paranormal
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Put your hands together for my guest, Brit Barbieri. Brit, how are you? I'm good, Vinny. Thank you for the wonderful introduction. Hey, my pleasure. Did I pronounce your surname OK? Barbieri, yeah, yeah. Cool. I was panicking on that for a while today, so I'm glad I got it. I'm doing good. Thank you so much.
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I'm just going to switch my screen, get you up there, and we will shoot with the first question. I would just love to know about what got you into these, you know, fringe, I guess they're fringe subjects, UFOs, Bigfoot, where did it all start for you?
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It started I apologize really quick for my voice coming back from Roswell. It's it's gone It started when I was really young, you know, I grew up in Estes Park, Colorado But my family I was born in Tucson, Arizona so very much an out West girl horseback riding so forth growing up in the woods and When I was really little my my parents used to talk about lights They used to see in the sky that would do erratic patterns and then disappear as well as a little girl. You're kind of like those amazing
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You know and my dad and I would sit on the front porch and look up at the sky And he would talk to me about planets in life and civilizations that could possibly be another planet So from we're talking like three four five. I remember these And then also growing up in the in the mountains. We had several experiences and hundreds that talked about you know Sasquatch and There was an incident we had a lot of exotic animals on our farm and my dad was out of town with business and My mom and I were feeding the animals and there were seven of us But I was the youngest so a lot of my older brothers sisters had already moved
Family's support in paranormal research
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out. So I was helping my mom and
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And something made the most horrific sound from directly across from us. And we're on the mountain. We're in the Rockies. And so your neighbor is several miles from you, in a sense, or several acreage, excuse me, from you. And we just, I dropped the grain bucket, ran in the house, left my mom outside in the bar and freaking out. You know, I was like eight years old. And I come back out, I'm like, mom?
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Sorry if Big Book got you. But, you know, we grew up hearing the sounds of Bobcat and Mountain Lion and Bear, and dears being killed. You know, that sounds like a woman being murdered. So these sounds were very familiar to me growing up, but this was not that. And then when I shared it with my older brother, he then was like, OK, I'm going to tell you about something that happened to Dad and I and John and Josh and my other brothers when they were hiking behind the house. And something observed them, watched them, made noises, and then chased them.
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And so, you know, all this started happening. So the young kid, I wanted to know more. And then my parents introduced me to Jan Hynek and Project Boot Book and, you know, Close Encounters. And so from that point in my life, you know, the first time I ever saw a ghost, I was four. It was a Native American in the basement of my house in Colorado. And
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it all like spiraled out of control for me and it was kind of like destiny was like pushing me in that direction so I couldn't just be in one field like there was so much to the paranormal that I was like I can't just do one thing I've got to do it all so I started very young and I think I'm the only person alive today that still has library cards because I enjoy going and reading books with the whole library
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But yeah, so that's how it all kind of spiraled for me to go and do these things. And I was very encouraged by my family to be the change and be the difference and stand out. So that's what I did.
Focus on ufology and cryptozoology
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That's amazing. And it's so good to have a supportive family behind you, you know, and that was going to be one of my questions. How do your family feel about it? Because some people experience a lot of stigma directly just from their family members and friends, like, you know, why are they looking into this weird stuff? So it sounds like that you kind of don't get that, which is pretty cool. So yeah, that's awesome. So do you have like a favorite area area of study that really sort of stands above the rest or does it change depending?
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No, I mean like you know for the longest time I did paranormal investigating for ghosts and you know you do it for so long but my favorite that and no offense but my favorite that I always came back to was ufology and cryptozoology and because for me growing up with animals and was an animal trainer handler I worked a lot with different people my brother owns a facility and
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you know being in that world and training exotic animals i learned a lot about the science behind how animals don't really go extinct even though they're no longer on the record we just lose them we mistract them and then that's why they get rediscovered and so
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Crypto zoology kind of became a real a real good topic for me because I wanted to try and discover Animals that were said to be extinct, you know, and then the more I dug into it. There was so much Aligned with it with real zoology that it didn't make sense why it wasn't being taught, you know We're not saying these are monsters. We're saying these are actual animals and
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that do exist and so it was it just always blew my mind that you know Bigfoot was this ridiculous monster when through history he's nothing more than a primate that lived and kind of reside next to the Native American tribes of America and other countries so I just didn't understand why it was this crazy monstrous beast and it wasn't looked at as like a actual primate
Gigantopithecus and Bigfoot challenges
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So that was one of my favorites, but then ufology really, it's, you know, who can't talk about 1947 without getting a big fire in their soul to just go and take down the world. Those two are my, you know, I will go on an investigation if someone asks me to go and do paranormal investigating anytime and paranormal is a big spectrum. But when you talk about like ghost investigating or hauntings and things like that, I will go, but they're not my favorite. My favorite is cryptid.
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and ufology hands down by far. Excellent. Let's just stick with Bigfoot for a minute. And you mentioned about it being, you know, like a proper primate and not a monster. Do you think the Gigantopithecus is the same thing as Bigfoot?
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I do. I actually do. I do firmly believe that wholeheartedly. I think it gets overlooked a lot, mostly through media and television, because I've had this discussion with Professor Jeff Melderman many times about the land bridges that people seem to forget about and the ice bridges that people think is not possible. But it wasn't like ice bridges. If you actually go and look at the maps, it wasn't like what we think it looked like.
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And so, yeah, I firmly believe that, you know, they that's where it came from. And of course, that's orangutan. So we know we have the line of orangutan that came from the Gigantopithecus. So I don't see why it's so crazy to think that they're still out there.
Exploring cryptids: Chupacabra and Loch Ness
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You know, maybe the numbers are smaller. But yeah, I do think there's a huge connection there. Absolutely. You got a lot of naysayers and skeptics when in all fields. But I think while I've come across in the little bit of the Bigfoot field that I've watched and looked into that
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The first thing people say is, well, how come we've never really seen one with definitive video evidence? And how do they remain hidden so well? How do you deal with questions like that? OK, so I get that a lot too, Vinny. Actually, I hear that quite a bit. I always like to describe it as, so let's imagine you're in your home and there's a burglar coming in.
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you know your house better than anybody, including this burglar. And you're going to know the best hiding spot and not to be seen. So that burglar might see you in a shadow very quickly, but you're going to know where to hide your family to protect them. And so that burglar does not, and the woods are so dense and you can be walking and growing up in the Rockies, you can be walking and walk right up on a grizzly and not know it, not know it at all. Um, and so for me, it's,
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When it comes to proof of evidence of videos, I think there are true videos that are getting kind of washed in with a lot of fakes and a lot of hoaxes. So people, our natural mind immediately goes, oh, that's a fake too, because it's too good. The problem is, is those two good ones, I think are true authentic videos and they're being labeled as fakes. And unfortunately, the general public, when this happens, they don't have anyone to turn to, to say, look at this is what I saw.
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because immediately it's oh you faked it or oh you're just crazy you're one of those crazy people that saw something and they didn't it's real um and the woods you know if you've grown up in them or you've hunted in them or you know them really well you grow to know that the woods are are a massive disguise and it's a huge camouflage pit so it doesn't matter what size you are even when grizzly bear stands up it will go completely invisible to the naked eye if you don't know the woods
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And I have my own theories. I do think Sasquatch are able to climb. And I think they can hide in trees very well above you, as well as I do believe that because of the primate that they are, they are able to go on knuckles. And if you've ever watched a gorilla or a rang run on all fours and take off, there's no trace of footprints. There's no trace of dirt. There's minor scuffs. And in the woods, you're not looking for scuffs. You're looking for tracks.
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And that can be extremely overlooked and you can gain so much speed so quickly if you know the area, if you're on all fours taken off in as far as an ape goes. You know, so that's something that I think heavily needs to always be considered when they go with the tracks have just disappeared.
Brit's podcast and Roswell interest
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Well, you certainly didn't consider the fact that they could take off running until you maybe you haven't looked up, you know, and bears hide above us all the time. My God, I can't tell you my time as a Colorado, you'd look up and you're like,
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We didn't even hear you. So these are things to consider, you know, so that, you know, that's, that's a big problem of mine is a lot of times when they do these series or media and things like that, when they have these discussions, it's because a lot of the people they're putting out in the middle of the woods have never been in the woods before. So they don't really know what exactly to look for or feel very comfortable in the woods. So everything is kind of scary to them.
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No, thank you for that. Let's talk about other cryptids. Do you have any others that really, I guess, again, are your favorites to research, to watch videos on? Because it's quite a broad spectrum of different creatures, let's say.
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In the cryptid space, there are, I would say, hundreds of possible other cryptids out there because most countries have their own version of Bigfoot. You have different fairies, which is considered a cryptid, which always fascinated me because I considered that more folklore. But as far as cryptid goes, I've always leaned to
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Now again the Tupacabra I believe is a canine I think that's just a type of dog which again was basically
Government UFO investigations critique
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discovered in Texas yet for some reason science is saying it's nothing it's nothing but there is a crazy-looking canine dog in Texas and through Mexico that looks like it has mange but the underbite and the weight it has these weird bone nodules on the back of a time quarters that's quite compelling to me to go what kind of canine is this you know
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And then you know of course in in the cryptid space there's also Loch Ness which is always fascinated me because I've always believed that dinosaurs in to a certain extent I want to watch how I say that people don't think I'm crazy do still exist today and the reason I like to combat that is because
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knowing crocodilian species and alligator species, they have not changed much since the time of the dinosaurs. They are like a living dinosaur today. And so I look at a lot of animals that have not really changed much from that time that are still alive today, that it does make me wonder about the successes of some of these other animals, especially ocean bound, because the ocean in truth has only been 5% discovered. So
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You know, I have theories and megalodon, of course, is another one. That as a scooby diver, I and I've seen plenty of photos and sharks and people sending me photos saying, you know, we took this picture and I can't explain it. And it's, you know, a great white with a ginormous chunk out of it. And it's not like an orchid did this, you know, orca wouldn't have done this. This is another shark bite. You can tell by the way the teeth are. And
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It leaves me to believe that there's a possibility of a lineage of Megalodon still around, but I believe with the water temperatures changing and fluctuating as we've seen with the whales, they have to go where the food sources are and how they need to survive. And there's some really deep parts of the ocean that we can't get to and I just
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I just don't think we should rule it out. And I'm fine jumping in. It doesn't scare me. If I see one, I'm just going to be so thrilled. It doesn't scare me at all because it is what it is. But I just like to believe that some of these things still exist and I just don't want to close the door on them yet. We can't say definitively that they don't.
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No, that's completely fair enough. You know, leave things on the table until they can be proven conclusively to not exist or to exist. So yeah, I'm with you there. And I like the idea of dinosaurs still living. I was fascinated by them as a kid, although I do get slight Jurassic Park vibes about it. But who didn't love Jurassic Park as a kid? I mean, come on.
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Yeah, absolutely. So let's move on and let's get to UFOs because that's why we're here really, I suppose. And I'd start by talking about your podcast because not only do you host a podcast that covers all subjects, but you host it alongside Don Schmidt of Roswell fame. So how on earth did that come about? How did you meet Don? It's fascinating.
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And so I've been in the industry since I was a little girl. And so I ended up working on a project. It was a little over five years ago now. And I've always idolized, of course, Jalen Heineck. Of course, growing up, that was like, oh my gosh. And when I found out about Kufos and then finding out about Mark Chesney and Donald Schmidt, I mean, these are two. Tom Carey, these are gentlemen that were like,
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kicking down doors and taking names after Blue Book closed. And so when that happened, I always just kind of bought up all of his books and was like, I've got to follow this guy. He's just incredible as far as Roswell goes. And then I was on a project that they needed a specialist in Roswell. And it opened the door for me to reach out to him as, of course, as a professional in the business, but also to actually get
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down to the business on Roswell. And I reached out to him and I sent my first email and I thought, Oh my God, please respond. Like this is going to be amazing. And he responds and he was so nice. And then we set up our first zoom call. But on that call, after I got the questions I needed for his submission, I ended up talking to him for like another hour after that. And we were having this lengthy conversation and he was like, I'm so impressed at somebody at your age, which, you know,
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I'm young i'm not that young you know know so much about roswell and heineck and so forth and he was really taken back by that and we ended up creating this incredible friendship to where it turned into family like my son calls him uncle don because he became family you know
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And then it became a mentoring. I wanted to be a ufologist. There were courses online that they called it certified as you state. But you would just be certified to say, hey, you know your business, you did the time, you did the hours, and you know from not just the 47, but prior the history of it all.
Experience on Demi Lovato's UFO show
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and he helped me through it you know i would send him everything i'm like oh my god i'm waiting for my test results for my teacher to come back you know and he was right alongside me the whole time and we've been trying to create shows together in fact the time that ufo witness was being pitched
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I was pitching a concept for Don and I to bring back Blue Book as like a new actual team investigative team as the new Blue Book. And we got into a pitching war in a sense in regards to, you know, oh, well, they already have, you know, this other pitch on the table and what else can you offer? And Don and I are like, well, we can offer this and everything, you know, but then they went ahead and purchased it. And then I got a call, of course, my friend Ben Hansen was like, hey, you know, there will be hosts on the show. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know.
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I don't want to hear about it. But yeah, and so that, you know, that's kind of how that all unfolded and we continue to push forward. And then we were talking, we're like, why don't we just do our own podcast and bring on the specialists that we really want to talk to, but really bring the truth out where they can't control us. And we figured out a way to do that. And that was through no earthly explanation. That's awesome. I've listened to a few episodes and it's fantastic. So guys,
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Brit's Linktree is in the description. Go and check out all the stuff, but go and listen to the podcast. It's amazing. So that's just with Roswell. Does it frustrate you when you see the multiple government excuses as to what they claim it was?
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hands down it fires me up to no end because honestly at the end of the day do you threaten 50 plus people's lives over a weather balloon no no it doesn't happen like that and it to me it fascinates me that there's so many people that are like oh well the government will tell us they're they're gonna tell us and it's like no they're not i don't want you to hold your
Catalina Island UFO investigation
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breath it's not gonna happen they don't in a sense they just kind of want 47 to go away because it was their biggest
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flub up that they've ever made when something like this happened and they just really want everyone to forget about it, but we can't and we're not going to so yeah, I get really frustrated because even to this day they still try and
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poo-poo it away, you know, and I just get so, I'm like, no, that's the smoking gun. That's where it all started. That's where it came to the point to we know you'll do anything to cover up the truth, even to the point of threatening children's lives that you'll kill their entire families if they say anything about seeing anything or hearing anything. And it's horrible. People's lives were ruined because of it.
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What harm is it to tell people, yeah, something amazing happened and crashed? And I get 47. That was a different timeframe mentally for people to kind of accept that we saw what happened with War of the Worlds. I get it. I totally understand. But we're not anymore. The last 20 years, we're not anymore. And I think that it's too late now for them to come out and say,
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Yeah, we lied to you. And then what's the public gonna say? Well, what else are you lying to us about? Because that's one of the biggest things that you've lied to. So they really can't tell us the truth, which just sucks. It just sucks. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot going on at the moment, isn't there with the government and these different amendments and
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National Defense Authorization Acts and stuff. So I do feel like there's some people within the government who probably may be on the younger side of the government who now have a bit of control or want to see this come out.
Tic-Tac UFO theories and extraterrestrials
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It's difficult for me. The way I look at it is they're still going to get blocked left, right and center when they go into certain areas. What do you think about that? Do you think that
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Do you think it's worth it? Do you think we should continue pushing or should we look elsewhere? And if we look elsewhere, where should we look for disclosure to come from?
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That's a big pill. I mean, I don't think we should stop pushing at all because there are other cases that took place after 47. That's just kind of the Mecca that we all lean to to show that they are willing to cover things up if need be. And they did. But there were other cases. That's why Blue Book came about. And and even it baffled me. And it really set me back that the two gentlemen they picked for the congressional hearing here in the U.S.
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When asked multiple questions in regards to several very prominent cases, they knew nothing of it because for some reason they're only being allowed to investigate to 2004 and that's it. And how are you to investigate UFOs, not UAPs, UFOs if you don't know the true history that has unfolded? And it fascinated me that when asked if there was any other investigative team prior to Blue Book, they said no, which is false.
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There was grudge and sign that came directly as soon as the Roswell Crush happened. And then Area 51 opened up. So for them not to have known something was crazy to me. But then I thought, or do they know? And they're trying to play dumb because that's what they were told to do.
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So it's frustrating because you could tell Gallagher was trying to nail that hammer in there to get those points. Well, you should know this, you know, we had nine missiles go no go in a matter of seconds because of a UFO that went over a base. So and that's a huge, huge issue. And there's multiple cases of that. James Clark actually investigated several other claims from here to the UK of the same type of identical occurrences.
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And the fact that they had no idea, there's two things there. Either they really didn't know or they're supposed to act like they don't know because they don't want the public to know about this stuff that it's real. And it ticked me off that the video they choose to show, they didn't properly set it up.
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They give us this little dinky flyby that could have been a bug flying by the window. And we know without certainty, they have better footage. So it just made me so mad more. And it actually fired me up more to say, no, this isn't it. We need to keep pushing. This is not going to satisfy us as much as they want us to. We're not going to be satisfied with this. So we're going to keep pushing.
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Because when Blue Book closed officially in January of 1970, Heineck said, there's 701 cases I could not explain away and I know for certainty that there is proof to this. The actual case that changed him was the Lonnie Zamora case. That made him go, hold on a minute, because the same identical craft appeared 100 miles the next night and Heineck witnessed that.
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He put all those pieces together. He realized that there was something else going on. You can't cover this up with NASA. NASA already sent me letters saying we were not there, has nothing to do with us. I don't know what you're talking about. And he was in the Intel to get that Intel if they really were. So it changed him. That was it for him.
Extraterrestrial treaties and presence
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And that's where Cufo started. And I think that there needs to be today, a brand new type of investigative center like that, that is truly doing the work because the government is not going to assist us. And they're certainly not going to be like, oh, hey guys, last night we had incredible crafts lying over the US Capitol. No, it's not going to happen.
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They're not going to do it. So we have to push harder. And I don't think we should look elsewhere. If we look elsewhere, we should just be pulling that Intel like from Brazil and from Mexico and from all these other places that are now disclosing the information in Italy to their people. Then that's where we need to gather that information. Say, how come you're not the only country or you're the only country, excuse me, not giving this information to their to their general public when other countries are where where are we in this?
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Yeah, absolutely. I think there needs to be more collaboration as well with other countries, at least openly, because they may well be talking behind the scenes. We don't necessarily know that. But yeah, I agree that we should definitely keep pushing. Now, let's switch it up a little bit, because I did want to talk about the appearance you made on Unidentified last year, Unidentified with Demi Lovato. Now, when that first got announced, it did throw a little bit of controversy into the community
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You know, like this is just Hollywood getting involved. What do they know about UFOs? The way I looked at it is, but it's going to hit a whole new audience, a massive new audience. So surely that is a good thing to have more people aware of the subject. So I'd like your views on that, but also how it came about for you and how it was.
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I was they wanted an expert Demi had never Her friend Matthew and her sister Dallas had never really
Public readiness for UFO disclosure
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dove too deep into it and apparently she had had a personal account And she just truly wanted to dive deeper into this world, but she didn't want to do any research for herself She wanted experts to tell her what was going on which I thought was fascinating because that kind of takes away some of the
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the color change in tainting and in the bigger picture so it allows you to have different you know perspectives from different experts and i was reached out and again because of working in the industry they asked me and they knew my field work with don and they knew and they said you know being that.
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You know, you work with Ben Hansen and you guys know these fields of topic and and I think that Demi would really get along with you. Would you be interested in coming on as an expert as the apologist in the field of Catalina? And we know you also have extensive research that you've done on Catalina because I lived in California in 2008.
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On the entertainment side, all of my friends, we were in stunts and shows and they were all doing stunts for television and in movies and they would all go over and get scuba dive trained and certified at Catalina. So whenever I go over there, I would be snooping around the museum and talking to people and wanting to know more. And of course, Preston Dennett's book really inspired me. So I had to do my own digging after that. And of course, the history of giants and so on. It was like a little mysterious island. I had to know.
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And so I did do extensive research. And so they really wanted me to come on and talk to her about all these crazy mysteries. And so when I got the chance to come on, I had the same thing. You know, people were like, oh, this is ridiculous. You know, you're going to ruin your name. And I was like, why? She wants to know the truth. Everybody wants to know the truth. It's not Hollywood doing anything. This was she wanted to do a show. She got the show sold and she wanted experts to teach her.
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what she needs to do for real if she wants to go and do these things by herself.
00:27:54
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And I found that fantastic. I didn't see anything wrong with that. And I ended up having a fantastic time with her. She was hilarious. Her sister was a doll. I still talk to Dallas time to time. And I stay in touch with her because they were really just down to earth nice. People, regardless of what they have personally going on, they were good people to me when I was there.
Continuing the legacy of UFO investigations
00:28:13
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And I appreciated that. And they really wanted to know the truth. They didn't want any sugar coating.
00:28:19
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And she, you know, Demi threw out at me, you know, is it possible that when people have seen mermaids over the years, could those have been misidentified extraterrestrials, you know, because the USO activity, I was like, Well, yeah, sure, anything could be misidentified. Absolutely. You know, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that's not possible, because sure, we don't know the ocean. So sure, you know, and I think that
00:28:40
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You have to remain an open mind. And yeah, I heard a little bit about it after doing the show. But honestly, it was probably one of the best shows that I got the opportunity to work on. It was so laid back and fun. And they just really wanted us to do real experiments, which we did. We did an incredible night watch with lasers to attract not above, as we normally would in a normal night watch. We were attracting whatever we could in the ocean, which is something that has not been done.
00:29:07
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And it was wonderful. I enjoyed it. I loved it. Excellent. Yeah. No, I think you're right. You know, it's a positive thing when somebody wants to learn, whether it's someone lives down the road from you or a celebrity, what's the difference really? So, yeah, I'm with you on that one. But let's stick with Catalina because you actually are going to appear, I think,
00:29:28
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I don't know if it's this week or soon in a new episode of UFO Witness with Ben Hansen and you're actually investigating Catalina. So can you tell us about that show? Tell us about the investigation and then can we talk about the bigger picture of Catalina Islanders? You know, have this USO mystery surrounding it for decades now?
00:29:48
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Yeah, so the episode actually already aired for UFO witness on Tuesday. Okay, cool. So it's streaming now on Discovery Plus, or you can go and see it on Travel Channel. It airs Tuesdays at 10 p.m. So I was called in for that because Ben and I, like I said, we go way back and I investigate all UFO hotspots, areas of interest,
Debate over UAP vs. UFO terminology
00:30:09
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sightings, whatever, so be it. And I try and pinpoint a lot of the capitals.
00:30:13
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And Ben and I, of course, work together in this department and we have calls all the time and talk about these things. And so he wanted me on because Catalina, of course, is a hub for me as regards to a lot of USO activity and UFO activity. And of course, some of the abduction cases are quite phenomenal that come out of
00:30:31
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around Catalina and the Channel Islands and as well as off Malibu and so forth. And so when I was invited on, they just really wanted Ben and I to sit down and talk about what we have already been working on behind closed doors for years, but then also talk about why Catalina.
00:30:51
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And why this could be so prominent and normally I scuba dive in the shows and do that normally but on this one they wanted it just be Ben and me being topside with Melissa which was wonderful I loved it at great time and.
00:31:06
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you know you'll see in the episode we discover something quite fascinating on the back side of the island which again if you go back in time to the original Henson video that came out in 1966 of the first really good strong footage from Catalina and you see the object and it was filmed from a helicopter going over the top and then disappearing
00:31:28
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I always believed you know people had kind of come up with conspiracy theories and the fact that oh it went into the mountainside but there really isn't a mountainside in Catalina like you have a you have a good high rise but you would notice if something went inside of an invisible door you know in in the mountains and this didn't and I after 1966 and a little bit before but after that a lot of fishermen came forward talking about sightings of lights coming up to the top of their boats and we're not talking about the regular sea lights that we get this was an actual physical
00:31:58
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uh you know object that came up and create a lot of there was of course the other incident where the plane was taken down and the one gentleman lost his family member and of course we have all these incidences that are surrounded by this island and it's always really funny to me because it's spooky Catalina you can't see it from the coast and as you get close to it there's this ridiculous fog that always surrounds this island and as soon as you break through that fog it's this beautiful little you know
00:32:25
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mystery island in the middle of nowhere and it looks like in the middle of nowhere and
Conclusion and gratitude
00:32:30
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I always think to myself what a great way to disguise yourself you've got this beautiful cloud not a lot of population on this island you could have inhabited it years ago nobody would have even known you know and
00:32:40
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And so in this particular video of the 1966 I got sidetracked, it goes behind the mountain and disappears. So my research, and I believe Ben firmly agrees with me on this as well, is that the belief is that it actually went and submerged itself behind the island.
00:32:56
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because Catalina has their own Bermuda Triangle directly behind the island where in the episode you will see, and it was something that I was like, listen, you know, magnetics is a huge key factor when we're dealing with UFOs and so forth and USOs. And it went 45 degrees and it stuck. That's stronger than lightning to pull a magnetic pull to that extent on your compass, 45 degrees pull.
00:33:24
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when they were diving over where we believe is kind of like the main Mecca of the Bermuda Triangle of Catalina. And for me, that was it.
00:33:34
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I will go back tomorrow if somebody calls me up to investigate because I firmly believe there is something going on and you'll see too in a lot of the records we pulled we have magnetic anomalies that are showing so bright red directly behind the island that it doesn't make any sense these things shouldn't be there but it would home
00:33:54
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and help if you're in a USO type of unidentified submergable object for those that don't know to help kind of hide you because it messes with your compasses, messes with your gauges. If everything got turned off, you would be lost. Nothing would tell you where to be, compass-wise.
00:34:11
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So, yeah, I mean, Catalina itself is crazy. So that's what we get to do. And we get to investigate it even further this time than I got to in unidentified. And my God, I'm ready to go back tomorrow. Freaking love that island. I do. It's crazy. That place is. Oh, my God. Don't get me started. It's incredible. So what I mean, it's not that far away that the obviously the Nimitz encounters was kind of in the channels off of the West Coast. So I mean,
00:34:41
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A lot of people or some people talk about the tic-tac. Well, it's going to be just some kind of man-made technology, some kind of test. Yet with such close relations to Catalina and the older stories, I personally don't see that connection. You know, obviously it's possible, but what about you? What are your thoughts on the tic-tac? If you had to speculate if it was ours or something a lot more anomalous, where would you be sort of pointing?
00:35:08
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I honestly don't think that it's any kind of our, I don't think we are capable of creating anything like a tic-tac. The thing has no wings. It has no real engine. I mean, this thing is like a cylinder and if you go back in history, tic-tacs have been in history as far as sightings go for a very long time.
00:35:25
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you know we're talking egg shape tic tac cigar it's this tic tac and cigar almost exactly the same in any kind of testimony when described and so for me for anybody to say to me directly in my personal opinion that it's possible that our governments made that i know i don't i i don't think that's earthbound at all and
00:35:45
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I do believe that that is a good version of a USO of what it looks like. Because again, if you look at the 66 video, it is very similar. It is in the same shape, the way it moves. And I, yeah, no, there's no way. And, and then Catalina, and then of course in the videos that we've gotten from Navy, that channel is so high active with, with sightings. It's unreal.
00:36:10
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In they're not just and some of them of course have come forward in in an unknown, you know You don't know me. This is me saying what I saw and it's it's always in that channel I can't explain it. It's always off the West Coast Channel and it's Fascinating to me and if you look at them, you know the actual
00:36:31
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Basically any type of graph of the floor and you pull up all the different anomalies that are happening there's too much going on and i don't believe that it's our technology at all and i think that's what scares a lot of the government because it's what is this and where is it coming from.
00:36:49
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Yeah, I agree. And if we're talking about it being potentially a non-human intelligence, we hear nowadays so many different possibilities as to what they are, extraterrestrial, interdimensional, ultra-terrestrial, crypto-terrestrial. And I find myself flipping like one week I might see a case or do some research, and it points in one direction. And that may flip the week later. But if you were to speculate, where do you think these things are coming from or what they represent?
00:37:19
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Okay, so if someone was to ask me directly, I truly think that it's possible why we see so many UFOs now is one because everybody has a phone with a camera in their phone. So we're able to document it. But I've been on this fence really since I started the USO investigations and going to certain locations with so much uptick in activity.
00:37:50
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I kind of feel as though that treaty that was spoke about between, I believe it was Eisenhower. I do believe firmly that it's possible that this species of whatever type of extraterrestrial life it is, and I don't want to put a finger on what species it is because there's so many different types out there apparently.
00:38:13
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But I do believe that that treaty could be accurate. And why I say that is because if they're really here mining and they're really here just taking resources from our planet to help their planet survive or where they're from, you know, continue to move forward and they're giving us intel how for to help us succeed.
00:38:30
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I would believe that they had already preset up spots underground in our ocean and they are able to move in and out between the mesas and the mountains and the areas and we see them so frequently and then of course going under to their underground bases and the reason why I'm so
00:38:49
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lenient towards these underground bases and again I don't know what type of species they are and it's really hard to say because everybody throws out everything from mantis to grays to you know all these different nordics I mean I could list a whole name and it's like oh my god there's that many um but you sit there and you go okay it makes sense because there are some abduction cases where people were not harmed
00:39:13
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They were not physically harmed. Laurie had one that happened to her. She was a scuba diver off the back of Catalina. The thing I always draw back to on this one was the fact that these beings came up to her under the water while she was scuba diving. She was older. She had done this by herself forever. They were dressed in a metallic type suit and they had much like a dome, like an astronaut.
00:39:37
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they had spoke to her telepathically and told her that they had been observing her and watching her and that she'd been getting so much better at scuba diving and then she had missing time and it wasn't until and she woke up on the boat after seeing these beings and then you know Yvonne put her under um to let her kind of regress and and talk about that incident but it wasn't wasn't horrible they showed her
00:39:59
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kind of where they're from and what they do, and then they put her back. And it was an observing thing. And what I found fascinating was that in Russia and the rushing mining, they had a similar account. And this was many years apart. I mean, many years apart, there's no way that these two stories would have ever collided or conversated, but the beings looked identical.
00:40:19
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And they're underwater in the same types of suits and observing and seeing what we're doing, not harming us, just observing. And I think a lot of times when we see the UFOs, they're observing. They're observing our military. Are we staying true to the treaty? If that's real, if that really took place, are we keeping our end of the bargain as they're keeping theirs?
00:40:38
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And so a lot of times I lean with Don, even Don and I have had this conversation that it's possible they've already been here prior to our continuous kind of growth on this place. And now they're kind of helping us and not helping us in the same. And I don't think all of them are vicious and vindictive and painful and hurtful and hurting people. And I just think a lot of times they're already here and they have basis set up.
00:41:03
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And we just need to keep our end of the bargain and they'll keep their kind of deal, you know, just as much as if we're, if it's a military tactic, that's what you agreed to when you join hands with another country. We have our agreement. This is our agreement. And as long as we stay there, we won't fight each other. And I kind of feel that's how this is.
00:41:23
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set in motion and set in place. And we found out they've already been here and now we've set this, you know, train in motion. And now people have phones with cameras and now they can kind of be a little bit more exposed. But as long as we keep our end of the bargain up, no, no harm. No harm to your country. That's how I take it.
00:41:41
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that's cool and I appreciate that because I know so many different people and I have this conversation regularly and there are so many different versions and opinions and you know there's a lot of disagreements but as long as it's done respectfully then I'm all up for that kind of conversation so I really appreciate that so thank you.
00:41:59
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I know I've hit you with a few big questions. I'm going to hit you with another one. And that is we often hear a lot of people say, I want the truth. I want to know I am ready for disclosure. But some people look maybe that if you look around the world at the way that we kind of handle ourselves as a species, we may not be ready. So what do you think? Do you think we could handle disclosure as a global race? It's a tough one. But yeah, I'd like to know your thoughts on that.
00:42:28
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I am a firm believer that the majority is ready and I say that because I read a lot of what comments that people say. They know that it's not these little green men and it's not this horror story all the time. They're not going to come blow us up and rip our limbs off and stuff.
00:42:51
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But the media likes to bush and it's something that recently hit me that I I think is a question to ask if you take away the stigma Okay, take away the stigma of knowing grays and Nordic and all these different aliens and beings and whatever and let's just take away the history for a second and somebody said to you Vinny guess what they discovered life human life other beings on another planet
00:43:18
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And they're awesome. Like immediately you wouldn't be fearful. Immediately you're like, it's almost like you're stunned. You're like, what? Really? That's amazing. So it's the way it's been painted over the years from like the forties to about the seventies where a lot of the coining of little green men came about, of course, from the Kentucky case.
00:43:46
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And so when you have these stigmas, it makes people fearful of what they don't understand. But if you paint it in a way that they can understand, which is kind of happening a little bit more now, and that's why I think more of the general public really are ready for the truth. People aren't going to question God. They're not going to go run out and kill themselves because they understand that, wait a minute, if there's life on other other planets, there's hope for us then.
00:44:14
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Maybe we can then go and be with them and live on a planet with them like Elon Musk is trying to do. You know, I mean, Elon could be an alien. I'm just saying. I love that guy. But, you know, for me, I look at it more like hope, you know, and I think we put our.
00:44:30
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We put our natural mind and the way that we would handle a situation. And we know that the human race can be very evil and can be very mean sometimes. It can be brutal. It can be rude. And it can do harm to others when it doesn't need to. And so I think we immediately assume that if we found another race of any type of being, that they're going to do the same thing we do. But in reality, I don't think that. We can't speak for them. We don't know because we don't really even know if there is a them yet.
00:44:58
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And just based off of the research, we have to go by what we're learning. And there's a lot of accounts and stories in there that we don't need to be fearful of. If they were going to come and blow us up, they would have already done it. If they were going to come and do Independence Day on us, they would have already done it. They're not waiting for a certain date and time.
00:45:18
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So for me, I do believe the majority that are asking for it, that are wanting that drink are truly ready for it because they're thirsty for it because they've done their research. They know the truth and they're like, please stop treating the general public like idiots. We see it for ourselves. Just tell us the truth and then don't paint it so horror movie ass. Just tell them the truth. Just let the public know we're not alone and it's awesome. It's not a bad thing.
00:45:49
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That's cool. I like the optimism as well. I always try and remain optimistic. And the way I look at it is if we get disclosure and there is going to be some, I don't know, pushback. There may be financial crashes and that, but we're quite a resilient race as well at the same time. Look at how we've, you know, acted over the past few years. We bounced back and, you know, again, I think I prefer to look at it optimistically than
00:46:15
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pessimistically. So yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. But before we finish off, I'd like to know what's next for you, what's next for Brit?
00:46:27
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Oh, my gosh, I don't know. Honestly, after coming back from Roswell, you know, I'll share with you guys for a moment at being a part of the panel with Kufosa, McDonald and Donald Schmidt and Mark Chesney and spending, you know, such a great time with them and Paul Davids and James Clark was there and and so many Tom Carey, Thomas Reed was there, of course, Ben Henson, Melissa, all these wonderful people who were there. Lewis Elizondo is there as well.
00:46:56
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It was quite a turnout, but the Roswell panel changed my life for a multitude of reasons. When you're sitting there and you're listening to these gentlemen who have spent, I'm going to say 40, 50 plus years, some of them were much older, Dennis is 80 now, and so you're looking at these gentlemen who have seen it all, have heard it all, were a part of deathbed confessions, and you can't help but sit there and go, what happens when they're gone?
00:47:22
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When these fighters who have fought the fight and have come toe to toe with government officials in escalades and gun pointing and everything, and I'm not joking, that is like real stuff that has happened to these men. What happens to the legacy that they have set forth for us and for our children?
00:47:40
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if it doesn't carry on. And then to have two sons from officials that were part of the incident in Roswell who came to speak on behalf of their dads who are no longer with us, but who were there to say thank you to these gentlemen for fighting the fight, to getting the truth out for their dads that were afraid to come forward because they didn't want anything to happen to us. And they didn't tell us until they were dying because you can't kill a dead man.
00:48:05
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And it really bugged me because there's nobody truly interested or caring to carry on that fight, that torch of J. Allen Hynek, you know, even. And I just feel that in my gut, that's going to be my next step.
00:48:21
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I need to push forward because if you're waiting for the government to tell you the truth, it ain't going to happen. You have to go after the truth yourself. That's boots on the ground, meeting the people that are afraid to talk and allowing them to feel safe with you and telling their story and know that there is no judgment. We all want the truth no matter where that leads us.
00:48:41
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I just feel in my heart how much I love these men and these women who have done this and fearful and they told their story anyway in books and in writing and in deathbed confessions. It is up to us, the next generation, to carry that torch. And as being an apprentice to Don and he is my mentor and he is my family, I feel it in my gut that that's my next journey is to either create
00:49:08
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the brand new blue book that isn't attached to the government and actually go after this for the truth and continue that legacy so when they're gone that flame is still burning for Roswell and we will do whatever it takes to keep it alive. And I will add Vinnie and you'll get a kick out of this and I know I hate the term UAP.
00:49:30
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I don't know how you feel about it, and I don't care what anybody says. I hate the term UAP. And do you know why? Because it stands for unidentified aerial phenomenon. Now, aerial phenomenon is anything that takes place in our atmosphere. And I've studied the atmosphere because being a ufologist, you need to know different elements of atmosphere that could create a false image of a UFO. Even a major mirage, as they call it, or a super mirage in the sky. OK, fair enough.
00:49:55
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But an object, unidentified flying object, is something that is flying around up there that is a physical tangible object.
00:50:04
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not an aerial phenomenon. So I hate that the UFOs are being lumped in and being called UAPs because it is not the same thing at all. And if anybody is paying attention and they listen to the congressional hearing, they flat out said in the congressional hearing and I quote, yes, UFOs, they're a physical object and we know this for certain now.
00:50:25
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Okay, so if you know this for certain now that it's a physical object, then stop calling it a UAP. UAP should be entitled for everything else that's going on in the atmosphere. I stand by that 100%.
00:50:37
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wormholes, portals, whatever opens up the atmosphere. Fine. It's a phenomenon. But as far as UFOs, they are still an unidentified, unidentified flying object. And until proven otherwise, that is what they should be called no matter what. So I say UAP to stay PC with everything across the board, but it does irk me because it doesn't make sense that you're lumping in something to move away from the stigma. But in truth, we're still looking at an object that we cannot identify, period. That's what it is. Call it what it is.
00:51:07
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that's fair enough changing it i get it well the thing is that you know uap was actually used back in the 50s a lot so i mean there are many i use both and it depends on who i'm talking to the situation the case the year that i'm you know referring to so yes if i was to
00:51:26
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And this is, again, just my opinion. I would ditch both because for the reasons you explained about UAP, I agree. But also a UFO, if it is, you know, an anti gravity electromagnetic thing, then it's not actually flying because it's not using. That's true. That's true. It should just be an unidentified object. Yeah, because you can't really identify it.
00:51:50
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Yeah. So I'm done with that. It's an up. So we'll just start calling it an up Vinny. That'll be our thing. I'll just be like, Hey, did you see the up yesterday? I did. I like that. Yeah. No stigma. It's a new thing. We'll start and see if it sticks in the ufology community. We'll see if it sticks.
00:52:08
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Let's do it, let's do it. Well, listen, Britt, thank you so much for joining me today. I really do appreciate it. I just want to say to everybody that's watching live, listening in the future, go and follow Britt on all her social medias. She's always active and, you know, really interesting posts.
00:52:26
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Yeah, no, I honestly, that's how we connected on Instagram and you're posting so consistently. And I really do appreciate all the work that you do as well. I have so much respect for boots on the ground investigations. I've done it. I've got a bug for it. I cannot wait to get back out and investigate a new case. So yeah, no, it's great. So thank you so much. I really appreciate you being here.
00:52:48
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Absolutely. I, it was a pleasure coming on when you asked if, if I could come on the show, it was a real honor. I follow your show. I followed your guests, you know, and of course Dawn, I think was a guest on your show as well. And so I have.
00:53:00
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Followed in, I just, you know, when you asked, I was like, of course, absolutely. I'll come on the show because it's really hard to find somebody that kind of sees eye to eye with you on a lot of the theories and ideas and the fact that we do align quite a bit. It's always nice because, you know, when you have a conversation, there's going to be really good questions coming out. And I was excited. I love it. So and my my Instagram page is kind of
00:53:24
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I just feel that we need to have a little fun in the field and it should always be so serious. So I do have a lot of reels that are more on the humorous side of trying to bring people in to find it more interesting. But I do try and stay as active as possible and try and be in touch with everybody that reaches out. Awesome. It does. It stands out. And so that's great. You know, if we can always draw in new people.
00:53:46
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then it's only a good thing. So yeah, I really appreciate that as well. Just want to give a massive shout out to everyone in the live chat for keeping it cordial. As always, I really appreciate you guys being here as well. And anybody listening or watching in the future, thank you so much. For now, guys, we're going to say goodbye. I am going to be back just over a week's time. I'm going to be hosting a panel discussion with
00:54:10
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Ryan Robbins, AKA UFO Jesus, James Ian Dole, and Danny Silver. So look out for that. But for now, everyone, take care, have a good day, and we'll see you soon. Bye-bye. Goodbye.