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Why Do We Self-Sabotage? w/ Jehan Sattaur
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Today we are blessed to chat with Jehan Sattaur, who is a Certified Self Sabotage Expert trained in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, Mindfulness, Hypnotherapy and Nutrition with a decade of experience.
Our bro is wise way beyond his years as you'll see, a wealth of knowledge, and I'm looking forward to future discussions with him.
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Transcript
Introduction of Jehan Sattaur and His Background
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome back to the Connecting Minds podcast, Christian Yordanov here. Today, I have the pleasure of introducing you to Jehan Sattaur. He is a certified self-sabotage expert trained in cognitive behavioral therapy, neuro-linguistic programming, mindfulness, hypnotherapy, and nutrition with a decade of experience.
00:00:23
Speaker
And I don't know where the hell he got this decade of experience because he looks like he's 22 years old or something. But you will see from our conversation, he's a man that is way wiser than his years let on. So Jehan, thank you so much for joining me today, brother. Thanks for having me on, Christian.
00:00:45
Speaker
So yeah, thank you so much. So maybe I listened to a little bit of your story yesterday on an interview you were on another podcast. So I think it's quite the hero's journey. So if you don't mind, maybe you can, you know, give us a little bit about how did you get, what led you to doing the work that you do today?
00:01:15
Speaker
Well, first of all, I was a wreck. I was a wreck for most of my teenage years and my mid-twenties. And then just one day, everything just kind of broke down for me. And I was a musician and I was having a lot of success with that. But there was also a darker agenda behind a lot of the success that I was getting.
00:01:42
Speaker
And I had joined the Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll Club in my teens because I kind of thought that was what you were supposed to do. I was very programmed. The images and the lyrics and everything that was going on. I just became a person that I wasn't. I also had a whole lot of stuff going on from my father's side. He was drunk and he was all saying nasty stuff.
Jehan's Shift from Darkness to Self-Improvement
00:02:12
Speaker
you know, as you would know, that takes a toll on your psyche at some point, like something's going to trigger that. So you kind of fit in with my tortured artist profile that I created for myself. And I just took the long hard road out of hell, basically. And after trying to commit suicide a few times, finally, it just didn't work out. And I actually just said to myself, Jesus Christ, I can't even kill myself right
00:02:42
Speaker
And it was, you know, that's a hilarious moment, but it was serious for me in the time. And, you know, I just heard myself say it out loud. And I thought to myself, yeah, this is ridiculous. And something's got to change. And so I just decided to take responsibility for myself. And here I am now. Yeah. So that was what about, you said about 12 years ago? About 15 years ago.
00:03:09
Speaker
15 years ago. When you made that decision to take the right path for yourself, what do you think were the catalysts that got you onto the path?
00:03:26
Speaker
Honestly, I love to tell people that just my desire to change was greater than my desire to stay the same.
Understanding the Subconscious Mind
00:03:31
Speaker
I was tired of hitting my head against the wall. It took me a few years there to get it all together. It was a slow progression and I noticed that I just kept doing stuff and the results were terrible.
00:03:48
Speaker
I can't make it any simpler than that. I just realized every time I did something that I thought was okay or I thought was normal, it got messed up and there was nobody else to blame but me. And so it got me very curious because I felt like I was doing the right thing. And I'm sure many people feel like they're doing the best they can, but the best that they can do is really steaming wild crap, you know? Yeah. And why do you think that is?
00:04:16
Speaker
I can go back to the mindset that I was in then and tell you what I thought it was. I thought the world was just out to get me. But then as I had that defining moment where I was like, I can't even deal myself right. What am I going to do next? I just kind of decided to allow my reactions to be a little bit different. So I observed things differently. Essentially it's what happened and I realized that
00:04:45
Speaker
Something had to be going on that I didn't understand what was happening under the surface. And fortunately, when I had that realization, a bunch of stuff just started happening in my life of folks who'd show up. And it was kind of like, so there's a thing called a subconscious mind. You know, people do all kinds of weird stuff all the time and things are happening, seemingly outside of their control, even though they're doing it.
00:05:13
Speaker
And that just got me curious. So once that seed was planted, I just kind of kept that awareness in the back of my head. I was still an idiot for a few years there, but yeah, it took me a while to really get to the point where I was like, okay, so there's a whole world of psychology out there that I don't understand. And if I want to be any better, I have to understand.
00:05:45
Speaker
Right. So I also would probably my 20s were quite unproductive, let's say, a lot of stupid things I would do. And I think I would tell myself a story that it had to do with my
00:06:10
Speaker
upbringing, you know, the certain things my parents, let's say, did or didn't do that sent me down this path. And I think one day I just got fed up with telling myself that story, you know, so why do you think
00:06:29
Speaker
What do you think keeps us sort of in that, I guess, doom loop of playing the victim that is it just these unconscious patterns that we've learned or what do you think it could be? Honestly, it could be several reasons. But what I see most commonly occurring with my clients is this inability or unwillingness to want to take responsibility for themselves.
00:06:58
Speaker
They live on the Stephen Cartman's victim triangle, where they're constantly fluctuating from victim to rescuer to somebody's persecuting them. And it just goes on and on in an infinite loop like that. They're never aware they are. And it's only after asking a few questions
00:07:21
Speaker
do they start to realize, oh wait, that's me that's doing all that. It's not really the other person, even though the other person does stuff sometimes. And the large
00:07:36
Speaker
part of it is all subconscious stuff that for the first time they are unpacking these ideas, these concepts above themselves that they have created. It's all a self-fulfilling prophecy that they're living in. And the subconscious mind is a perception database so it holds all the things about us, who we are, what we do, what we do, what we do, what we think about the world, what we think about other people, all that stuff.
00:08:04
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When we think we are thinking, what we're really doing is playing out a
00:08:11
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complex set of compartmentalized programs that each have their own subsections that are like thought categories and they have what I like to call a self-justification index which is just a shitty reason or shitty list of reasons why you can't do the thing that you know you should do or why you do what you do and it's all
00:08:37
Speaker
Behavior related it's all what is my reward for executing this behavior? Even if I get a negative outcome from it. I still get a positive reward in my mind from that so that's Kind of what I think it is
Mindfulness and Reprogramming Subconscious Beliefs
00:08:54
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So when someone, let's say, knows they shouldn't whatever take a line of whatever or go out on the weekend, take some amphetamines or drink a bunch of alcohol, they know they shouldn't do that. What what causes that compulsion to continue where they kind of stay in that negative loop? Oh, well, you see, the big problem there is that
00:09:24
Speaker
Negative reinforcement doesn't really do anything to stop a set of bad behavior. 45% of your whole life actions is all habitual stuff. I guess all habits like crack or methamphetamines like you said, all habits start as actions that you decided to do.
00:09:52
Speaker
And now you can do them without thinking about it. And habits really eliminate the need for self-control. So behavior is going to become a habit when it no longer requires any decision making from you whatsoever. Does that make sense? I guess what happens in these systems is that
00:10:22
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Your limbic system is asking you to give it something that is going to be a quick fix. I need to feel something other than what I'm feeling right now. So in the mind of an addict, or rather the brain of an addict, the limbic system is scared to shit. It's literally screaming, oh god, please help me. I don't know what to do. I don't feel safe. I feel supported.
00:10:51
Speaker
I need to feel normal. And the limbic system and the vagal systems of the body aren't really the best when it comes to understanding language. So if you just say to yourself, I know that doing a line of coke is bad, it doesn't hear you.
00:11:13
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You still have that underlying urge. And so the limbic system and the subconscious mind are one and the same. They work together. And when you're playing all the programs of stress or fever or whatever it is, you're looking to reach for something that's going to calm that nervous system, calm that limbic brain down.
00:11:35
Speaker
If you don't get that, then you just go overboard. And the thing about it is that drugs agitate the limbic system even more, even though you get that momentary hype, even smoking pot and stuff like that. You get that momentary feeling of calm, but then that eventually goes away and you're left with the residual effects of that.
00:11:57
Speaker
So what's the other option then? I know you teach about breathing, mindfulness, would that be the way to sort of interrupt that pattern?
00:12:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's the most common and effective way of doing it because you have to do it anyways. Even if you come to someone like me who will help you with your subconscious programs, you still have a period of time that passes afterwards.
00:12:32
Speaker
where you're unpacking what happened and you are now trying to reintegrate into the world without the programs that you had before, usually within a common environment that you've been in before. So the environment in psychology, we're all doing things
00:12:51
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based on stimulus versus response. So we're still trying to relate to familiar environments in different ways, which makes it difficult because those programs want to kind of come back into play. We're looking for something that isn't very, that doesn't have a strong hold over us and your ability to assess what you're thinking and, or notice a pattern
00:13:19
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and interrupt that and choose something different is key when it comes to changing anything like that. Gotcha. So what is, when you say so our subconscious programs, can you give us maybe some examples that are quite common and what's your kind of way of helping people? Do you erase them? Do you reprogram? Do you sort of tweak them? What's your approach? Are you muted?
00:13:51
Speaker
You're muted. You're muted, bro. Oh, yeah, I muted it because of the chickens. I was working with a bunch of different programs the other day. And it's very simple stuff. People have a lot of stuff that's going on around giving us particular clients
00:14:19
Speaker
This person literally had a belief that said, I hate people. And he literally had a program that said, like this said, I don't love myself. So in the language of the subconscious, if you have something like, I am
Spiritual and Societal Influences on Behavior
00:14:39
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enough going on.
00:14:41
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If you keep saying repetitively, I am enough, the subconscious mind follows that up with a yes or a no. So the actual sentence that your subconscious mind plays out is, I love myself, no. I love myself, yes. I am enough, no. I am enough, yes. And it's very common that people have programs like, I love myself, no. Some people have programs like, I am crying myself.
00:15:12
Speaker
And they get that, a lot of that stuff from the music. So a lot of the music, the themes, a lot of the movies, the themes installed into your subconscious, these different things. So the opposite programs I'm playing inside is, I have joy. And the opposite, if I hate people, if people can be good. And if somebody has a program that says, like I said, the opposite thing that has a life is joyful.
00:15:42
Speaker
There's also another component to the language of the subconscious variants. I either understand or I don't understand what it feels like because again, we're dealing with that feeling brain limbic system. So if someone had a program the other day, I don't understand what it feels like to be accepted.
00:16:02
Speaker
And so the opposite of that is I understand what it feels like to be accepted. And so I could go on and on about that. But the most common things that I get are I am not enough somehow. I'm not safe somehow. I don't feel loved and supported by the creator of all that is. And a simple program like I don't feel supported by the creator can monumentally screw up a whole lot of other stuff in your life. Oh, yeah. It's your connection.
00:16:31
Speaker
And this is pretty negative to say this, but most of the people that I see out there in the world are soulless. They don't feel connected to anything. They're walking around their necks bent in a U shape because they're staring at their phone all the time and they just are everywhere except for in their body. And these are 10 of the people that you find
00:16:53
Speaker
that will have problems and they'll self-sabotage their best attempts at having a normal life because it's systematically programmed out of being a human, out of being connected to some divine connection. You don't even have to necessarily believe in a creator. You could be an atheist and still subconsciously you know that there's something larger than you, as all of us do. It's actually critical to the brain's function to do that.
00:17:23
Speaker
we've been marginalized into this strange territory where things like that are no longer our default. We don't know what to do without the phones, we don't know what to do without the TV, we don't know what to do without music. There's always something going on that blocks us from ourselves, our true spiritual self. And do you think that's a part of the social engineer's agenda?
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. That's absolutely it. How can we make people become consumers? Dependent, weak, disconnected from source, from each other. Yep, that way they have to rely on the system. Yeah. Dirty government. So I think that is actually quite sad.
00:18:20
Speaker
Anytime I meet someone, it's usually guys that are extremely materialistic and sort of atheistic. I'm always, I feel empathy rather than other things, animosity or anything like that. I feel empathy because it must suck to think, to sort of believe that once you die, that's it, you know?
00:18:46
Speaker
That's it. So think about how badly the rest of your life's decisions will go if you don't. For example, not many people don't believe in reincarnation. I believe in reincarnation.
00:19:02
Speaker
So you start to think not just the decisions, what repercussions they'll have for this life or for your children's lives, but for your future incarnations. I think to me it becomes just this magical, mysterious adventure life.
00:19:24
Speaker
where you don't know, you don't have all the pieces, you have a few pieces and you're trying to piece together a massive puzzle that's like multi-dimensional. So I love that the depth and the breadth of living in sort of this mysterious wonderland, as opposed to just, you know, the way you describe these folks, it looks like they're just very fractured off from, you know, the source.
00:19:55
Speaker
Fractured is the right word to use there because that's kind of what's happening to their psyche on a metaphysical level. There's aspects of ourselves that exist across all these different planes that we don't even know about. The average person is probably never going to think that I was actually outside feeding my chickens the other day.
00:20:18
Speaker
Some people passed by and they were making such a racket in the way they were behaving. It was just so out there to me. And I thought to myself, you know, this is their normal default setting. What are the odds that these people are ever going to have a real deep spiritual moment in their lives where they feel calm?
00:20:44
Speaker
Probably not, you know? And that's when, like you said, empathy comes in because it's gotta be hard to maintain that. In fact, I've noticed with clients and stuff, it's increasingly more difficult for them to live inside of a constructed narrative than it is to just be themselves. To just be still, you know? And again, you're dealing with
00:21:10
Speaker
the hardware you're dealing with the limbic system and so if you're in fight fight or freeze which most people are just trying to survive that's tough because you have an entire image like you said that's constructed around preserving that but it's also who am I
00:21:32
Speaker
within the context of the collective, the tribe, the herd, whatever you want to call that. It's subconscious is looking for safety within that construct and what it feels is safe is anything but that. It's so strange and it's really, it takes a lot of energy
00:21:50
Speaker
to fit into the collective. It takes more energy to fit into society's engineered construct than it is to just be yourself. We're emulating whatever they do on the outside by default. That depends on our programs. That depends on our ability to self-assess.
00:22:18
Speaker
If you can become really secure inside of yourself, where you just simply say no to all those things, because you just don't want to sabotage yourself, you just want to be an individual, then you're in a much better place, a less energetically taxing place, you know? Do you think
00:22:40
Speaker
When you live in a big city with so many, I suppose you know how we have this, the consciousness, it's not necessarily in the head. You have this field emanating from you. And when you live in big cities, especially in like an apartment and you're
00:22:57
Speaker
very much overlapping your fields, your auras or whatever it is. Do you think that's where conformity, to force people into conformity becomes easier? Because if you can manipulate enough, let's say, a critical mass of people's consciousness,
00:23:22
Speaker
by the virtue that they're all overlapping, they're going to influence other people. So then if it's like the crowd, like in the big cities, when people were masking up and everyone was doing the social distancing, you were like the old man out not wearing a mask in the big city and people would start self policing, which is the social engineering psychopath's wet dream. Do you think that has something to do with that?
00:23:54
Speaker
Yeah, that has a lot to do with it. The subconscious mind is a scanning device. Even when your eyes are closed, it's scanning the environment, essentially picking up what's going on in the field. Have you ever had a hunch on something? And you kind of knew something was going to happen before it did?
00:24:12
Speaker
whatever the case is, that's really what's happening. You are picking up on what's happening in the environment all the time. We are exposed to this collective consciousness net around whatever country we live in, and that holds all the information about the culture, all the common behaviors and common thoughts, all the fears, all the joyful things, you name it. And we are pushing against that.
00:24:39
Speaker
Unless we tap into our individualism and our ability to notice what's going on across the screen of our minds so that we can accept or reject what's coming in, we are shit out of luck because we're always going to be overpowered by default, by that consciousness in
Conformity, Consciousness, and Media's Role
00:25:00
Speaker
it. And so we have that around our individual country, we have it around each
00:25:05
Speaker
the world but then we also have one around our house. So if we live in an apartment building all the shared thoughts of everybody in that household and all of the apartments and you know the guy the weird guy that lives in the basement the superintendent whoever that's all going into one
00:25:28
Speaker
I guess let's call that box. And you were constantly drawing from that by default. And then there's also things like imitated learning, which is just the mirror neurons, which cause us to unconsciously copy certain behaviors. So I am not one that goes with the Matthias Desmond theory of mass hypnosis. I think he's one of them. I think he was put out there to
00:25:57
Speaker
kind of mess with the minds of the people in the truth movement and get them to kind of point fingers, you're under hypnosis. We all are. We're all asleep to something. We're all hypnotized in one way or another. We spend most of our time in hypnosis throughout the day, much to the dismay of people who think that they are thinking all the time.
00:26:23
Speaker
We have what's called internal representation systems which are the subconscious processes that form as a result of our programming from 0 to 7, 7 to 14, 14 to 21, 21 to 35. And then after 35 it's really difficult to
00:26:41
Speaker
change any programs after that we can take on new ones but all the old ones are really hard to break out of and so that's why you see like stubborn 65 year olds that don't know jack shit would think that they're the wisest thing just because they're old it doesn't work that way you know so neurologically we're just wired for imitated learning and so that plays a huge part of
00:27:08
Speaker
You see enough people doing something, you're going to be like, oh shit, I should be doing that too, right? By default, if you've ever seen
00:27:19
Speaker
Standing up one? Yeah, the one where you're standing up in the office. That's a good example. That's eerie shit, isn't it? It's eerie, but unfortunately that's the way it works. I just wonder if they put us, you or me, in that situation, do you think we would succumb to that?
00:27:40
Speaker
Well, I wouldn't, because I know exactly what's going on. I stick out like a sore thumb during the whole pandemic thing. Like wearing masks, I'm not doing that. Sanitize you. Same. Same. So I can only speak for myself. And like I said, also when the TS Desmond came and started talking about this stuff, I was like, no, that's not how it works. Everybody's operating off of their own.
00:28:08
Speaker
kind of internal guidance system, their own coping mechanisms that they've developed. The television plays a massive role in that. Family influence plays a massive role in that. While their friends think it will play a massive role in that. They're not going to just go into a mass of analysis automatically like that. What they're doing is they're drawing information from common behaviors and they're acting on that and they're choosing
00:28:38
Speaker
are choosing their fair responses and their imitative responses over that. And if they are TV watchers and they consume a lot of music and stuff,
00:28:52
Speaker
they're already pre-programmed with multiple instances of what should I do if this happens. So that's what an internal representation system sounds like. What should I do? It doesn't mean that everybody's walking around in a hypnotized trance that says there's a virus, you should do this. It's just
00:29:12
Speaker
What should I do when I see other people doing this? What should I do when I see this computer generating image of a virus? What should I do in these situations? It's not as simple, simplistic, and people aren't as dumb as that theory makes itself do. Everybody just got their stuff. They're picking up their stuff from the TV. Most of the time, 80% of people that's on TVs are designed to scare the shit out of you.
00:29:42
Speaker
The only reason to watch movies and TV is to understand what people come to believe. You want to know what... What people are being brainwashed with currently. What bullshit they're being brainwashed with. You've heard me explain this. I'm sure that the prefrontal cortex right here shuts off when you watch TV within 60 to 90 seconds gets turned off completely. So you blindly accept information you can't reject even if you're emotionally having a reaction to it. In fact, that makes it easier.
00:30:12
Speaker
is the limbic system is now weakened. And what happens when somebody experiences something traumatic is that other parts of the brain you shut off, the medial prefrontal cortex shuts off, you go into a shell of yourself. So if you're watching a horror movie and you think you're enjoying it, in your brain you're not. In your limbic system you're not.
00:30:35
Speaker
When you're shutting down, you're creating this compartment that's based on the fear that you felt when something really gory happened in this movie. Later on in your life, you act on that. And so that's kind of what happened during the pandemic as well. Later on in people's lives, they acted on that. Also, there's subconscious information that is in the collective consciousness, which we just talked about, that it's
00:31:05
Speaker
It remembers. So we have those basic four levels of belief, which is the core of belief, which is the stuff that we get from childhood that we accept. They become a big part of us and we make it who we are and they're stored right here in that frontal lobe as well. But then you have the genetic level, which is all the programs that are coming from ancestors.
00:31:26
Speaker
And that's automatically added to your genetic sequence when you come into this body when you're born. That's calling it a morphogenetic fuel around the physical DNA of the body, the fuel with knowledge that tells the DNA how to act. And then you have the history level, so that's all the past-like stuff. Deep genetic collective consciousness experiences that we bring into the present moment.
00:31:53
Speaker
inside your heart that make you the individual that's the soul out there.
00:32:01
Speaker
when something major happens like a pandemic, we draw from all these other experiences throughout our daily life already from these different levels, the core level, the genetic level, history level, soul level. So it doesn't take much by then for us to begin to react, to act in a way that we have before thousands of years ago as a result of a threat. We already know that
00:32:30
Speaker
This form of humankind has been around for 200,000 years at least in this particular day of makeup. So we're carrying all of that 200,000 years at least worth of information that the social engineers that go to the Hollywood movie said to dictate what should be on the screen
00:32:59
Speaker
They all know that people are very, very fragile on a subconscious level. And they're always manipulating us using those things.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, dude, I love what you said there. This is the reason we don't own a TV in our house. I don't watch anything. I don't have Netflix, no movies, no shows, because I believe a lot of guys like researchers and stuff in the truth community,
00:33:36
Speaker
They're like, um, I'm watching it to analyze it and to, you know what I mean? But it's like, um, self justification index. Yeah. Yeah. I'm watching, I'm watching it. Uh, uh, but you're still getting influenced by it. It doesn't matter how, how strong you think your psyche is and sure your psyche might be much stronger than the people that are in this pretty much hypnosis state with their prefrontal cortex switched off.
00:34:07
Speaker
But it's still affecting you. And this is why, you know, any music, pop music or other stuff, I only listen to very specific music that, you know, we curate with my wife, classical music, techno music, which is, you know, not created by with an agenda. And this is, you know,
00:34:35
Speaker
I think this is super important. This is what has allowed me over the, over the last 10 years to actually become an independent thinker. I wasn't, I can't say I was always an independent thinker, but I believe one of the, the most important thing was removing, removing yourself from, from these, you know, influences curating, like I follow some YouTube channels through an app that parses
Guarding Consciousness Against Societal Pressure
00:35:03
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YouTube i don't even use youtube on my phone i don't even have android or apple have a separate operating system that's open source and completely the googled and i use youtube through that right so i'm like a little bit different than most most people but you have to i believe in this day and age if you don't curate everything that bombards your senses you're gonna get bombarded with a lot of shit with an agenda behind it.
00:35:30
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Most people waste their time living other people's lives. Yeah. That's true. It's true whether you're in the truth community or the spiritual community or whatever. You were probably living by the narrative of someone else. And I don't know about you.
00:35:59
Speaker
but it feels great to not be plugged into any of that stuff. It's better to be a creator than a consumer of things. Once I realized that everything was just a series of prisons that you didn't have to free yourself from, I was like, oh no way, I don't want to be a part of that anymore. I always knew anyways that it's something that wasn't right about society and the way that it was set up.
00:36:28
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And I always saw the music thing as an act of service, whereas all the other musicians I ever met or played with, it was all about them. How do I look? How do I sound? It's like, don't worry about that. Just fucking enjoy it. And just like, you know, people out there are smiling because they don't, you know, they had a shitty day or whatever. And this is what they need to get by. Why can't you see that that's more important?
00:36:56
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than yourself. You're pretty much trying to beat a dead horse at that point when you're trying to talk to people like that in that mindset, you know? But think of it in this way. If you're in a war, you're not going to stand up and be like, I'm right here, motherfucker, let's go. And you're going to get rid of those bullets as soon as you stand up. Right?
00:37:22
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So you have to guard your consciousness in the same way. Take away all of these things because you're missing out on the best part of life, which is yourself. And I'm sure it's the same with me and my girlfriend. We are exactly the same. We think the exact same way. We don't have any of the programs that anybody else has.
00:37:48
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We are very much go within to figure out what's going on type of people. We don't take any music, movies, nothing like that. My girlfriend sees her kids with stuff like that. She'll throw their phone on the window or whatever. Don't bring it up to the kitchen table when we're eating, toss it up the window. You have kids? She has kids. I suppose they're my kids. They're my kids now.
00:38:17
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That's the way things work for us. We don't conform to the outside world. We're just not interested anymore. What we have found is that there's nothing out there that anybody else is saying or doing that really has had a massive impact on our lives and caused us to have a massive shift in any kind of way. It's hard for a lot of people to hear, especially the ones who are just getting into personal development or whatever, and they want to find answers to their problems.
00:38:47
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The answers are inside of you. That's so cliche, but the answers are literally inside of you should you be willing to listen when it comes through unpacking your subconscious environment. The goal of any spiritual process is to make what is subconscious conscious. It's that simple.
00:39:10
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Interesting. You know what I was thinking about when I was listening to your talk yesterday? There was some book, I can't remember what the book was, but one of these big self-help authors when I was in my 20s was buying books here and there and reading all sorts of stuff.
00:39:32
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And something clicked in me when I saw on a chapter or whatever subtitle that said something like, you don't need their approval. And once I sort of internalized that you, a lot of what I've been doing, my behaviors in life has been some type of approval seeking behavior.
Parenting, Education, and Societal Norms
00:40:00
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And when I realized I am good enough, I am an adequate person and more than adequate, I don't need to impress people. You know, things a lot like things got a lot easier. Can you maybe unpack that a little bit? Why why are so many of us seeking approval from others? Is it rooted in childhood experiences? It's that deep seated urge coming from the subconscious, which is very tribal. It's
00:40:30
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it's a I guess it's a construct of the tribal mind because remember we're talking about the Olympic system and we're talking about the prefrontal cortex which is all of our morality spirituality our ethics our values things like that are connecting with a higher power and we're just looking around to see what other people are doing
00:40:55
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and wanting to fit into the context of that. So whatever we emotionally bond to, whoever we emotionally bond to controls us. The mind controllers of this world know that if you make a change to a person's thoughts, you change their emotions and you change their behavior. You change their behavior, the other two change. You change their emotions, the other two change. So it's a constant push and pull between us versus
00:41:24
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these hundred people because those hundred people that run the world they know that they're not the enemy they know that the individual with their spiritual journey is the problem and if you can manipulate that you hijack their spiritual development their mental development their cognitive processes you got them for life you got a customer for life you got somebody you can mess with for your
00:41:54
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entire life and they do get something out of that. I love to use the example of there's all these memes on the internet about narcissism, the characteristics of narcissism, but nobody ever looks at them and goes, that's our government. Nobody ever does that. So we're looking in the same way that a person who is in a narcissistic relationship, a narcissistic romantic relationship or narcissistic parental relationship,
00:42:23
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We are subconsciously codependent on that. We have a need for external validation. We have a need to get this person to love us, to like us, to, I guess, want to accept us. That's what we're doing.
00:42:43
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How do you think we can, as parents, how can we avoid our kids becoming sort of approval seeking people? As soon as that kid comes out the womb, don't expose it to anything that's going on out there. Critical thinking is not that hard to teach a child and most people think they have to, and we have the expression, handle them with kitty gloves.
00:43:12
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We think we have to lie to our kids. We think we have to make up stories or sugarcoat things or water things down. Kids are just like us. Most adults are just really big children, right? So when you treat your children with that level of respect and reverence and when I say reverence, I mean, having a child is a deep spiritual experience. You have to treat that experience of being with your child the same as you would, I don't know if you're
00:43:42
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going to communion or whatever. It's a ritual, right? And so the same way you wouldn't get a bunch of dog shit and throw it on your altar, you wouldn't put that in your kid's brain either. You'd be very, very matter of fact, very truthful. Now, where that can be tricky is that kids have black and white thinking. So they're always thinking, I'm good. I'm bad. This is good. This is bad.
00:44:09
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Right? But you can use that to your favor because if they understand that certain things are bad, they're not going to gravitate towards those things. Just explain to them and keep that, guard their consciousness. They don't need to watch cartoons. You already know this because you work with autism and I'm sure you come across all these children that they do better when they're interacting with their environment. Period.
00:44:35
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whether there's you know some impediment or whether they're regular kids that just they're growing up in let's say a hostile environment or something like that they do better when they're away from all that stuff and they're just interacting just playing things out because kids kind of just resolve their issues by talking stuff out and you know playing pretend and doing all these different things but we try to interrupt those things we do silly stuff like
00:45:04
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Oh, we say, oh, we're fine. Just give them a TV set or something. You know, walk away from them. But they really depend on us to be with them as much as we possibly can. And that's the thing that's been lost in society with the schooling and all this other crap. Yeah. Daycare and all this other crap. We got to go to work. So we got to give our kids to someone else to take care of.
00:45:32
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It's where our inability to be responsible comes into play. Fortunately, times are changing. You can work from home now if you want to, but there are still so many people that don't have the mindset. They don't know how to survive in a world that isn't dictated by
00:45:49
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paycheck mind control essentially. Yeah, dude, this is for me, I can't believe some, like I know in the States, it's really bad, like the women don't get much of maternity leave. I even heard one colleague I had in a company I was working for some years ago, that two weeks after she gave birth, she was already back in the office.
00:46:13
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So imagine a two-week-old baby and it's in the hands of another person. You know what I mean? Like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And they damage our kids like that. They damage us. We've been damaged. As soon as we came out, what did they try to do? They tried to stick us with some needle. They take us away from the parent momentarily. Whereas the baby just came from a particular environment.
00:46:41
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and it needs to stay connected to that environment for as long as possible. We do all this dumb shit like give our kids formula rather than breastfeeding and nature doesn't make any mistakes. It really does not. I like to use the example that when the leaves fall from a tree, they fall in a particular geometric pattern, they spiral down to the ground and even the way that they
00:47:04
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the tip of the leaf points in a particular direction is all defined by geometry. So we keep trying to make things better because they said so it'll be better this way.
00:47:20
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And we violate natural law, and we do it to our kids, and then we wonder why the kids are so fucked up. We're doing it to them, and we don't take responsibility for that. We have to take responsibility for that. Every little thing, in every moment that we're away from our kids, it affects them up until a certain point.
00:47:39
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Bro, for sure. Listen, I'll tell you man, like one of the most heartbreaking things to me is to see my daughter when my wife needs to go work for just an hour or two. Like my daughter is like mama mama crying and like it's so difficult still to like think about
00:48:02
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or even if she's doing an online class in the other room for an hour and she's like,
00:48:11
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Mama, mama, trying to get into the room. I'm like, you got two doors closed in between so we don't disturb mama while she's working. And an hour, I'm like, well, it's not always like that. I just need to kind of get her, you know, to snap out of it and we can play and do stuff. But you can see on a micro scale how not traumatic, but sort of how difficult that is for a child. And now imagine sticking them eight hours a day, five days a week away from your parents. And then your parents pick you up for two hours, three hours, then it's bedtime.
00:48:40
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the fuck is that exactly and it's you know it in this instance it's it's double-sided because you have to work to feed the child and that's why things are set up that way but you know people weren't meant to work we weren't meant to do all this dumb stuff and money becomes the insidious factor in all of this yeah man so totally I think like one thing that that I've had to
00:49:10
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deal with in my business is women who don't know how to tell other people know for the sake of their child. It's like when you're doing something and your child wants something, everything else has to go on pause. It doesn't matter what the other person thinks. Your child's psyche and your needs are more important. You tell that person, hold on for 10 minutes. I have to go to my child or I have to go make my child a sandwich. Like a three-year-old can't, you know,
00:49:40
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go to the fridge and get juice on your own. They shouldn't, you know, but there's people there. So, they're so monumentally fucked up by the way that their parents heard that from a very young age, they learned to do that, you know. We all come from generations of people who were like that, you know, at 12 they were working because that's just what you had to do to survive, you know. So that's in the collective consciousness and it's our responsibility to break those patterns. Totally, bro. I think we need to try to get back to
00:50:10
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putting family first because everything is catered towards the breakdown of the family system. Whether it's meant to be or whether in like in your situation, your hand just gets forced a little bit. And it's like, okay, well, I kind of have to do this thing over here. What do I do about my child, you know? Exactly. So the war, the battlefield of this war is literally in your home. It's not, you're not going to go out. I'm not going to
00:50:40
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Like, honey, cancel all my Friday meetings. I'm going to go fight the Illuminati out there on the field. You know what I mean? It's like the battlefield. It's like my... Look, dude, I'm saying this. I'm not judging anyone, any parent that I understand how demanding kids are. And I understand sometimes you need to take a shower and putting the tablet with some cartoon for 20, 30 minutes.
00:51:07
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Is an effective way to get your child to chill the fuck out and let you do whatever cook dinner or whatever but me and my wife we're like so far we're you know a year and a half into this and we're like we're not gonna We're gonna keep her away from devices even our own phones when she's looking at our phone and I'm on my phone like shit Why am I even on my phone before this kid?
00:51:30
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put the phone away so she's not interested in it. And people used to say when I didn't have kids, I'm like, these kids are using too much TV and too many devices. And people would always tell me, you'll see when you have kids. And it's always, you'll see when you have kids. And I'll say, a lot of these kids are eating a lot of
00:51:48
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absolute trash, processed garbage, poison. That's why they have so many health problems. And then the people tell me, you see when you have kids, you see, you see. And no, I don't see. It's a decision. You manage yourself. You manage yourself and you don't really have any problem managing your kids. People say that all the time. They say the same thing to me. You find out when you have kids of your own. And it's like, no.
00:52:18
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I, in my experience, it's been you because I mentor other kids, right? So I've been mentoring other kids for this whole time and I even started mentoring kids before I was on this path because I give guitar lessons and stuff like that. And I could see the kid people would just dump their problems on me. The kids would dump their problems on me and the kids wanted to be better, but their parents didn't know how to facilitate that.
00:52:47
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So it's the same thing when people say you will find out when you have kids of your own. It's like, well, I'm fixing other parents' fuckups right now. So I think I'm pretty well equipped to deal with that situation. And if your environment doesn't facilitate garbage, then your kid's not going to take in garbage. It's always garbage in garbage out when it comes to the brain. And like you said, you can't avoid it. Like your phone's gonna ring sometimes, you know?
00:53:16
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And kids are going to know that phones exist, but it's what you teach them about the reality of those things that matter and they emulate your behavior. And people have this really bad mindset that
00:53:32
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Well, I can't control what other people do and stuff like that. Yeah, but you're supposed to control your kids though. Not in a negative way, but you're supposed to determine their mindset and shape their thinking so that when they get around other kids, let's say they want to go to school. Well, you can talk to your kids about the reality of going to school. You can let them know it's not necessary. You can let them know that they'll still have all the same friends without going to school. That's just a fact.
00:54:01
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But a lot of people don't see it that way because they think they're going to do something to their kids that hurts them. And I know this for a second because my girlfriend, because what I call her my youngest, she doesn't go to school at all. It's a completely different human being to the other two that went through traditional schooling. How old is she? Eight this year. And what I realized is that
00:54:29
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We were just talking about this last night. What I realized is that she has stayed in that creative flow state. Normally you break out of that around six. It's what the other kids are doing or the other kids that go to traditional schooling break out of that before kids that are playing on the tablets or the Xbox or whatever, they break out of that stuff early. She hasn't changed a bit.
00:54:58
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She's just as creative. She's outside digging for worms, talking to her, like her pet, well, her bird toy, feeding it worms, pretending to feed it worms, doing all these different things. She climbs trees. She goes and like, she pretends to be a cat or whatever. And she's like, look, I'm a cat. And there's nothing insidious about it. It's just a kid having fun playing pretend and resolving things and learning.
00:55:28
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interacting with the environment. All she wants to do is draw. All she wants to do is play. She doesn't like being forced to do stuff. If you leave her on her own, she learns how to spell stuff on her own. She asks a question, like, how do I spell this? How do I spell that? And that's when she learns. She has, you know, like those composition notebooks that have a timetable and stuff on the back of it.
00:55:55
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She looks at that stuff on her own when she feels like it and she knows the stuff. Nobody had to cram it down her throat. And it's so true because it's everything that John Taylor Gatto said.
00:56:08
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coming to life in front of my house. It just takes a hundred hours to learn to read right in mathematics. A hundred hours. Yeah. Yeah. We read weapons of mass instruction. Yeah. I have it. Yeah. Dumbing us down or whatever. Yeah. I have that as well. Right. I have his books. Yeah. Yeah. Really good books. Really good books. The guys. Those are, those are books for parents to read.
00:56:36
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Yeah, man, this is super important stuff, man. This is what I was saying at the start, why is beyond your ears? Because the stuff that comes out of your mouth, you know what I mean? You're fucking brilliant, bro. In fact, I think we're going to have to have you back on the podcast just
00:57:03
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you know, unpack a lot of the stuff. I feel like we can discuss a lot of many different themes. But I have a question I asked kind of near the end of interviews. This is part of my Solutions Talk segment. So I want to ask you, Jehan, what are you doing that others can do also to increase their freedom, self-reliance, autonomy, and or resilience to the challenges that we face this decade and beyond?
00:57:35
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Refuse to make yourself miserable about anything.
Jehan's Coaching Techniques and Personal Insights
00:57:40
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I would give the biggest tip right here. Read a book called How to Stubbornly Refuse to Make Yourself Miserable About Anything. Yes, Anything by Albert Ellis. That's a very long title. Albert Ellis is one of the founding fathers of rational emotive behavioral therapy.
00:58:02
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Albert Ellis. E-L-S-I. Okay. Albert A-L-D-E-R-T. Ellis. Got it. How to stubbornly refuse to make yourself miserable about anything. Yes, anything. That book changed my life because the journey of self-awareness never ends. It continues until the day you die.
00:58:32
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Every moment that you aren't spending being aware of yourself, disables you to be present for other people. If you want to have compassion and empathy and the ability to solve your problems and keep your kids away from garbage and keep garbage out of your body, you have to be willing to be present. That's it. Again, all
00:59:01
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journeys of spiritual development all about making things that are subconscious i love that dude i just bought the book so damn it didn't even wait till we got off the show it it will be here in two in two days boom
00:59:24
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Thank you so much, bro. Actually, just before we wrap up, a question I wanted to ask a little bit earlier, we kind of got onto another thread there. Can you just give us a little bit of a glimpse? So in terms of how you coach people, how do you
00:59:50
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understand what their dominant stories or patterns or whatever are that they allow to sabotage their life. How do you elicit that information out of them? How do you help them tweak it so it becomes more productive? People are always speaking their beliefs.
01:00:14
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They're always telling you it's all the same stories that they've rehearsed and rehashed over and over all the time. Sometimes people will come to me and they will start saying all these things because for the first time in their lives somebody actually is being present and they're actually listening and people love a listening ear. So oftentimes people will say things that we think don't have any real value.
01:00:43
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you have to watch them to see what things have value for them. When they start showing you what has value for them, that's your key right there. And you can ask them questions and what would be the worst thing that would happen if this outcome didn't manifest for you. Sometimes when they say stuff,
01:01:07
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The goal of any therapeutic counseling is to get that person to self-realize because all change begins on a cognitive level. Anything that's in the subconscious, you can access that on a conscious cognitive level and get that person to bring it up onto the subconscious and they will tell you what's in there. And you can become a feedback loop. So that's one of my main methods for helping people. I teach them to listen to what comes out of their mouths.
01:01:37
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and realize that you can change that at any time. This shit about, I have to be positive and I gotta reframe everything to a more positive, fuck that. Life is happening all the time.
01:01:48
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It's real. And that's another distraction technique that has come out of the cult of psychotherapy. The toxic positivity movements, the new age thing distract people from being an individual and thinking critically about things. You have to look at the fact that we live in a polarized reality, dualistic in nature. Everything's got at least two sides to it. We have to assess both sides equally.
01:02:17
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in order to understand really the depth of what's going on. So if somebody's saying something, rather than the label that is being negative, listen to what they're saying. Try to pick out what is the key sentence that they're trying to tell you. And then you feed that back to them. You can change your tone. Like if you said, I had a bad day because I hit my toe on the bedside table and then
01:02:47
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I went outside and my head hurt and my wife said something to me that I didn't like. And now those are three what I would call activating events all in one. But the most important thing to me would be the thing with the most emotional content.
01:03:03
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So what you would have said was, my wife said something to me that I didn't like. So I would say, oh, okay. So that other stuff happened. And then because your wife said something to you that you didn't like, you had a bad day. And the person is going to search for whatever meaning they ascribed to that. Right. And they're going to say either yes or no. They might say, well,
01:03:32
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maybe it wasn't that maybe it was this and so that's when you got them because they begin to self realize they begin to access a stream of information that they would not have had if they were just thinking on their own does that make sense to you yeah i think so yeah right so you can practice that in your daily life you know people say stuff to you
01:03:52
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Literally the thing that has the most emotional valence assigned to it, the most emotional content that you think affected them the most and you repeat it back and you say, okay, so let me see if I understand what's happening there. This thing happened, right? And I use a lot of like NLP stuff like it, but these are, you know, take NLP out of it and bring back the art of conversation. This thing happened. My vocal tone went up. At the end, this thing happened.
01:04:22
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And that signals to the other person, that's a question. And they say, oh, he wants to know what's going on. They're subconsciously, they're thinking, well, nobody's ever asked me that before. Okay, let me talk about that.
01:04:36
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So through that process, they get access to information they would not have had on their own. So I tend to teach people how to think like this in the first place. I love to say these phrases for what purpose. You have a thought about something, you say, OK, so for what purpose do I feel like this is happening? You wait long enough, your mind will answer you. You can question that again. OK, so XYZ is the case. For what purpose is XYZ the case?
01:05:05
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And that means, and what it forces you to do is to realize that you're doing all of this thinking in your head. You're telling yourself a false narrative about something, and it constantly points the finger back at you. That way, at the very least, even if somebody else is doing something, you can change because you are in control of where you are at, not the other person. Very interesting, bro.
01:05:32
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Hmm. There's a lot of like, like, this interview that I listened to you, you getting interviewed on this dude's podcast, I forget the dude's name. It was a two hour conversation. I'm like, I was walking my dog yesterday and just really enjoying this conversation. And I was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to wear I'm gonna have to listen to this, like, at least one more time through and through because you just
01:05:58
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pack so much info in these relatively short statements, you know what I mean? But something I was thinking about is, I don't know, is it just me maturing more as a person? But I used to get in a shitty mood back when I was a teenager in my 20s. I'd just be in a mood. You know, some people, sometimes they're moody.
01:06:24
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Right? And over the years, especially over the last few years, I would start like, maybe I'd have a good day and then I'd get in a mood, right? And I'd start asking, like literally it happened, I think two days ago, I was like a bit of a shitty mood. And I noticed I was kind of like a snap, not a snap, but I was like a bit short with my wife.
01:06:49
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And I was like, wait, what the fuck is wrong with you? And I go, oh, why am I pissed off? I was having a good day. Everything is dandy. My birthday tomorrow, sorts of shit like that. Everything is dandy. It's the weekend. I'm going to eat food, nice food, do cool stuff. And then I started like, OK, what did I do? What could I have done? Did I hurt myself? No. OK, I was recording. I was trying to record.
01:07:12
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lectures for a video course i'm doing and i. They were really shit it was forty minutes that i'm gonna probably have to record so like fuck all that work i'm gonna have to redo that so just going back the events of the day what what am i pissed off about.
01:07:28
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And then I was like, okay, so how can I flip the script? This is kind of, I learned from a dude, I talked to like this men circle that I go over every couple of weeks. It's like, how can you flip the script and stuff and just frame it positive? So I've been trying to flip the script a lot the last couple of few weeks. And so I'm like, how can I flip the script? I'm like, say to myself, okay, well, I can think of that 40 minutes of recording as wasted.
01:07:54
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It's gonna take me a long time to edit it down to something coherent for people or I can say I just spent 40 minutes practicing the content tomorrow I will record it fresh in the morning and I'm gonna knock it out the park and that will make editing a lot faster and easier so the next day
01:08:16
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I did record it. I knocked it out of the park. It was much better than it was and everything was dandy. So just I suppose my point there is as I guess one matures and I think through working with folks like yourself, I think people can learn to not self coach, but just kind of pick apart
01:08:40
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the like investigate the mood that they're in or what pattern of thought that they're in today and they start picking it apart like what is the root cause and then think about the root cause is it a root cause how can you reframe the root cause and then you know things then your mood suddenly changes you know you're you're nice again to people and whatnot it's yourself
01:09:01
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I tend to believe that when it comes to moods, what is a mood? A mood is just an emotional state of being. And when we're faced with something that we don't want to do, we have to ask ourselves a lot of questions about that. What really is the purpose of being grumpy here? Why don't we want to do this thing?
01:09:25
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Is it because of something that happened in the past that we have a belief about what's happening right now in the present moment? Are you saying, could you have been saying something to yourself like, oh, I'm going to spend all this time doing this thing and then there's going to be this outcome. But just unconsciously, you know, maybe you didn't feel like it was really worth your time. And if that's what's happening, what is it you really believe about it?
01:09:53
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Is there other reservations that people aren't going to play the course? What's happening? Yeah, yeah.
Creativity, Hustle Culture, and Personal Growth
01:10:00
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Factor in all those things. So it really helps with the A plus B equals C type thinking, where A is the activating event, which is your mood, right? Something is, sorry, it's not your mood, it's something that's causing your mood. The activating event is having to do with 40 minutes or whatever.
01:10:19
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C is the consequence, the emotional consequence, your mood. And in between B is the belief. So it's A plus B, the activating event plus the belief equals the emotional consequence. You learn to reverse engineer your moods that way. You know that it's an emotional consequence of something I'm thinking. Usually something that happened in the past that I'm trying to cross-reference in this present moment. I felt this way before about doing something similar.
01:10:48
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what it is that happened. Okay. Well, that's not happening now. You know, what is, what, what's going to be my payoff for this? Cause in life we are going to have to do so much stuff that we don't feel like doing. We don't even want to do it, but we do it anyway. Right. Personally in my business, I, I've stopped forcing myself to do things that I don't want to do. I don't set deadlines that I know are going to put me under pressure. Cause listen to that word deadline. That is not a good place to be. No.
01:11:18
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I won't do anything creative until intuitively I feel like it's time to work on it. I don't force myself to do work on stuff every day on things. If I sit there, nothing's coming after 10-15 minutes. I just get up and do something else. I don't do anything that I don't want to do in respect to my creativity because that shuts off the channel.
01:11:45
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And we don't want to effort through everything. It sucks. And it doesn't give you the most natural float of things.
01:11:58
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I found that myself that I'm trying to, I lost my, I got laid off for my job almost two months ago. So now I'm like focusing very hard. Like I said to my sister, she called me for my birthday a few days ago. I said, I will do anything to not have to get into another tech job like I was doing before.
01:12:18
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And so today I woke up before 4 a.m. and I've been waking up between 3 and 5 a.m. for the last month just so I have time before my daughter wakes up to work on everything.
01:12:35
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Any any second i can spare when she's napping or sleeping at the computer so i do i do find i am. You know pushing myself but i notice of the weekend two days i barely did anything.
01:12:50
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And then Monday, which was yesterday, I just had an extremely productive day. So what I noticed is, like what you said, efforting is bullshit. It sucks to have to do that. If you just give yourself some space,
01:13:09
Speaker
to recharge or just just to be away from whatever it is you're working on, you come back fresh set of eyes and amazing stuff happens. Yeah, if you look at the greatest minds out there, I'm talking like the earnest pending waves of this world. C.S. Lewis, Henry David Thoreau, all these people, Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, all these people that were
01:13:38
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created. They lived in the land of the solution. They were in their subconscious mind as much as they could, but they would lay down and take a nap for 20 minutes. And then get up and be like, Oh, I think I know what I'm gonna write here. I think I'm gonna, I know what I'm gonna do for this invention here. Right? They weren't trying so hard. Hustle culture has come along to force us back into the rat race again. Everything's a trick.
01:14:03
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Everything is just designed to push us back into the same mindset, the same game. You just gotta not play the game.
01:14:13
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Yeah. I love it, man. Just before this interview we started recording, I had a client call for an hour, so I went down, got a glass of water, got my stuff ready. So I said, okay, I'm going to look at your research, my guests, as I normally do before the thing.
01:14:39
Speaker
And I said, let me do a little bit of video editing. So I was getting sleepy, dude. So literally, I just laid back. And for 20 minutes, I just power napped here in the chair. And I woke up, dude. And I just like this injection of, because normally, I'm nervous before an interview. And I'm like, shit, what if I ask stupid question? Or I'm asking the same questions they've been asked every time. I'm trying to be original here.
01:15:06
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But I just came and I saw like your welcoming smile. I'm like, it's gonna be nice. It's gonna be a great conversation. Zero effort, zero effort through and through, you know? Yeah, well, you know, that's what I did, right? I came on, I just talked to you, like we've known each other forever. I don't see any difference between myself and other people. Sure. That's one of my biggest techniques that I've employed through the years working with clients or podcast guests or whoever, people on the street.
01:15:37
Speaker
just talking to myself in the mirror. Yeah, man. Absolutely. And especially when you have positive self-talk, because I noticed some of my, some of my programming from childhood would be, you know, I find myself criticizing people a little bit. So I've been trying to
01:15:57
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you know get out of that snap out of that over the the past two decades you know so uh but i noticed the more i accept myself and i'm in a place of acceptance and love the more i can relate to most more people and the less because i used to have specific people we would trigger each other that this kind of personality that kind of personality
01:16:18
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But over time, just I find less people become less people are annoying. You have more in common with more people and you will always find something in common with anyone, whether they're, you know, 15 years old, 50 years old, man, woman, whatever. Yeah, it's true. I mean, sometimes you got to force it to sometimes like, okay, this person's an idiot. What do I have in common with them?
01:16:45
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They have two feet. I have two feet. They're a human being. So maybe something else is going on there. Shit's crazy on this planet right now. I don't be the first to tell you that. Unashamed. Shit's crazy. And I don't think that it's going to get any better because the people that are orchestrating this are diligent workers. If everybody worked like them on their personal growth,
01:17:15
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Jesus, we would be a really, really spiritually evolved race. Every single person, individual had the drive to better themselves in the way that these people are looking to monumentally fuck up everybody else's life.
Skepticism Towards Government and Industry
01:17:34
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It would be a hell of a thing. There would be nobody to fuck up.
01:17:39
Speaker
Totally, bro. So you've clearly dug deep into this type of research. How long ago did you start getting into this kind of stuff? Oh, when you say this kind of stuff, you mean? You know, conspiracy, organized crime. Oh, you mean I speak below truths. Okay. Yeah. I
01:18:07
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I didn't like the government from the time I was about 6 years old. I had to write an acrostic poem for school and it was the word Barbados and each letter in the word Barbados was a different line in the poem and we kind of had to memorize it so we had to write it out. It was already written for us.
01:18:27
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I was like, no, I'm not doing it. It doesn't make sense to me. That's all for me, dog. I got into a lot of trouble for that. And my parents were sweating. They were like, you have to do it. You know, because they're under government mind control, right? They're in a good state to do the system. And like, it doesn't feel right. I don't want to do it. No. And so my mom used to say, it was the kind of person you couldn't make me do anything I didn't want to do. And I just, you know,
01:18:57
Speaker
I just didn't want to do it, and the entire class got into trouble. And I'm still not doing it. I didn't say anything throughout my life. I just despised CNN and stuff like that, because the news was always on. And I would listen to what they were saying, and it was like, oh, this stuff doesn't make any sense. It seems fake to me.
01:19:23
Speaker
And then when I got into music and stuff, I started to get exposed to the darker side of things, like when contracts came onto the table and going to rich people's houses that wanted to invest or going to meetings with artists and repertoire from record labels and stuff like that, I realized.
01:19:47
Speaker
This is a very dark scene. A lot of these people are into dark stuff. Weird sex parties. They want to make you sign away your life. There's like different hidden clauses in all of the contracts to make you sign away your image to them. And you don't really make any money off the deals and stuff like that. It's like, no, this is not something I want to be a part of. And that red-pilled me in a big way because one of my lawyers actually stalked me.
01:20:18
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You're not that kind of guy. I'm like, what do you mean? What do you mean I'm not that kind of guy? I want to play music. He's like, no, you're not that kind of guy. Let me explain this to you. And he, there was a YouTube channel by a guy called Farhand Ken at that time. And he was exposing with the Illuminati stuff. Right. And I know a lot of people too. And they hear that, but he got it.
01:20:42
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When you're doing research, you've got to try not to put labels on things and have preconceived notions and judge things immediately. And I learned that that day because I was like, what are you talking about the Illuminati? And he showed me these videos. He turned his laptop around and he's like, watch this. And I watched it and my jaw hit the floor. I was like, what? This is real? He's like, yeah, this is real. I am having serious reservations. And he had an honest open conversation with me about
01:21:10
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how he felt about doing the work that he did. He was having a crisis of conscience where he realized that he was sending all of these people off to the slaughter to become products of this massive scam, which is the music industry.
01:21:30
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They got him eventually because he didn't want to complain anymore. They got him. They went after his house, went after his private practice, got him disbarred, all kinds of things like that. Sad to say he's actually now homeless. He couldn't handle the pressure of it. He lives on the streets somewhere now.
01:21:51
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They got him real good like they messed up his marriage Everything they went after him in a big way and it's cuz he was doing stuff like that He wouldn't do he wouldn't sign off on any more Illegal things which I think he was doing stuff in government as well in his private practice well so He woke me up that day for real so every
01:22:18
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I don't want to use the word mistrust, but essentially that's what it is. Every bit of mistrust for the government that I ever had, for society, came up for me to analyze that thing. I eventually started researching all kinds of different stuff, and you know, what's on the internet isn't the best quality information. That's all a narrative, too.
01:22:46
Speaker
And it's all created by the same people that are trying to rule over you. There are so many people in the so-called truth community that need to stay away from. I wouldn't recommend to anybody idolizing like David or anybody like that. He's got some good information.
01:23:04
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But at the same time, you have to think for yourself and pretty much anybody that you see that has an online presence of more than 10,000 followers on Instagram or something or Facebook, they're co-opted because it gets to a point where they come to you and they're like, hey, listen, what is the purpose of this thing that you're doing? What's your agenda? Are you trying to make a living? What are you trying to do?
01:23:30
Speaker
they buy you off, or they threaten you. Then you have people that have had to change their location. You know, if you live in North America, you're a card game. And it's a real serious thing that happens. And you just have to learn discernment, but you only get discernment by going inside of yourself and really trusting yourself and trusting your intuition, knowing who you are at the core, what are your values,
Social Media, Free Speech, and Information Dissemination
01:24:00
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What are you trying to create in this life? Because there's a lot of the truth community that is cleverly designed to lead you into this division thing.
01:24:15
Speaker
It's us versus them. It's the Q community is right. The flat earthers are right. The, uh, you know, Jesus is coming back to save the world. Trump is going to save us all. Yeah. It's the Kali Yuga. You know, there's a, we're reaching a critical mass. There's going to be a mass extinction event, all this stuff. And none of that is true. The world goes on and on and on and on without human beings. Right.
01:24:45
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What the people at the top that orchestrated this stuff know is that
01:24:51
Speaker
Good people will very willingly do the work of a few evil men, right? So that's the thing that's used against us all the time. And most people are concerned with one thing themselves, but not in a healthy way, self-preservation. So that's the underlying motive for a lot of people to get into the truth community or conspiracy theories and things like that.
01:25:18
Speaker
what does conspiracy really mean? It comes from conspirare, which is to work together or to grieve, right? So it's just understanding that things are never going to be what they seem on the surface. You have to think for yourself. You have to be critical of a
01:25:41
Speaker
And not in a negative way where you're just crying to home people all the time, but you have to think very critically about the things that they say and watch their actions, watch who they are. Especially when it comes to technology and stuff like that. If they were saying something that was really true, that was worthy of censorship in these times, why are they allowed to say it? Why do they have a hundred and something thousand followers period?
01:26:05
Speaker
If they were really that dangerous, why would they be allowed to continue to perpetuate their narrative, what they're saying?
01:26:15
Speaker
Like myself, I've been a shadow band for like six years, but it gets worse every year. And I started off just talking about consciousness. I started off just saying, you know, you got to look inside of yourself to find out what's really going on in the world. And they're like, shh, no, you can't say that. And, you know, get eight likes on your Instagram post or whatever. But I just did a social experiment. So I'm glad you asked me this question because I kind of get to talk about that.
01:26:43
Speaker
I was only reaching 683 people on Instagram with all the posts. Out of 3,800 and something followers, I was only reaching 600 and something people. 10 of them were non followers. I started changing what I posted. I started posting those really stupid spiritual memes.
01:27:11
Speaker
Three, four times a day, I queued it all up on Meta Business Suite and walked away from it for a month. I come back, my reach was over 9,000 people. 6,000 or more of those people were non-followers. Now the question is, why are the non-followers unable to follow me even though they like my content?
01:27:41
Speaker
Why is that? Because the algorithm doesn't allow them to follow me. I think they either get a warning that says it's unwise to follow this person
01:27:51
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Or they're following me and it doesn't register on my overall account on my profile page because they sent me an email saying, you reached X amount of people and 135 people followed you. And I was like, really? Because it still says the same number it said a month ago. And I've noticed that when new people follow me, it'll be like, I'll get like 10 people who follow me in a day. And then I wake up the next morning and it'll be right back to the same number it was.
01:28:21
Speaker
before that. So they're limiting people who are saying anything that will get people to critically think it's not whether it's the truth or whether it's not the truth. Is this person questioning the narrative at all in any realm? Is he questioning the psychological realm? Is he questioning what's going on in the government? Is he questioning what is consciousness? Are people going to become dangerous thinkers because of what this person is saying? And then you get a cat put on.
01:28:50
Speaker
Yeah, bro, I did a similar thing. Well, kind of a social experiment of sorts. I created a Rambo account and I uploaded like 60 or so videos from just a free video lecture series on autism stuff. And I have hundreds of, I have three followers and hundreds of views of those things, of those videos already from one, two months, whatever.
01:29:15
Speaker
And I uploaded a few of the same videos to YouTube, but I have like 130 or 50 followers on YouTube. I stopped using YouTube when they were censoring me back in 2020. So some of them got zero after days and days, got zero views, even though I have 100
01:29:37
Speaker
Something followers and I got hundreds of views on a brand new Channel on Rambo, which is a much smaller network. So I I don't even Fox with with social media, although I will probably start you know doing stuff see but it probably will not it will probably be a Waste of time. So I won't really be investing much time because of what you just said. I
01:30:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's an incredible waste of time. I'm actually going to walk away from posting very much on social media because I've never once gotten a client through social media. I get all of my client intel through word of mouth and people will listen to podcasts and they're like, oh, you sound like the guy that's going to help me. Or somebody else listens to my podcast and they send it to a family member or a friend. They're like, I think this guy can help you with whatever it is. Right.
01:30:28
Speaker
And I know exactly how it feels like I'm not talking about the stuff that you're talking about, but the stuff that you are talking about. It's solving problems.
01:30:37
Speaker
And that's a very dangerous thing. They don't want problem solvers. They want people that are going to funnel people right back into the system every time. Oh, yeah. Right. And that's hard for a lot of people to hear because they've gone to some of these people, you know, whether it's coaches, clients, have told me they've been to other coaches or therapists and stuff. And it's helped them a little bit. And I get that. Yeah, it helped you a little bit. But here you are.
01:31:03
Speaker
at knocking on the door of the guy that people only come to when they're at a zero at a 10 in your life. That's just my reputation. When things are beyond rock bottom, here you are.
01:31:19
Speaker
It's tough for people except that there's an entire system and everything is controlled and everything is just trying to put you back on this path of failure in your life. Having said that, I've been banned for telling people, here's how to tell the difference between a chemically ripened banana and a regular ripened banana.
01:31:48
Speaker
Here's food diets and how they're linked to childhood health issues. So it doesn't even make sense trying to reach people with that information on social media. Maybe you can make a podcast where they can't detect everything that you're going to say all at once, but with AI coming in and them being at the forefront of that technology,
01:32:14
Speaker
You know, they're going to find ways to pick out keywords and stuff that you're saying in your podcast and limit you as well. Yeah. Well, podcast is the last, the last bastion of free speech. So we just, you know, that's why I'm doubling down on, I've got another autism and children's health podcast. I'm, I'm very close to starting a third podcast, just on general children's health. And I don't give a shit, dude. I just, I let that grow.
01:32:42
Speaker
on its own without social media. And I know that
Closing Thoughts and Contact Information
01:32:46
Speaker
I know that somehow through the by the grace of God, people will find the information, the ones that really need information. And yeah, I'm glad that we have this ability to do this. Yeah, exactly. That's what it's all about. You just have to trust that the right ones will show up.
01:33:05
Speaker
Yeah. Jahan, thank you so much, bro, for coming on. I really enjoyed this conversation. Would love to have you on again. We can just feel like we could just talk. Anything, literally anything with you, bro. I tend to have that effect on people. Before we wrap up, please let the listeners know where they can find you. So if you want to find me, just send me an email at selfsabotageinfo at proton.com.
01:33:38
Speaker
Okay. And we have a links to your website and podcast, of course, with the show notes here. And, uh, yeah, bro. Any, any closing thoughts before we wrap it up? Oh, I can't think of anything right now. We might end up talking for another 20 minutes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right, man. Thank you so much again. All right. Thank you, brother.