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Taking Steps Toward Self-Sufficiency w/ Jen and Joe of Legit Bat Podcast)
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Today we are joined by Jen and Joe of the Legit Bat podcast and we talk about all things weird and wonderful!
Connect with Jen and Joe:
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Introduction of Guests
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey guys, welcome back to the Connecting Minds podcast. Christian Jordonov here today. I have Joe and Jen from the LegitBats podcast. I'm sure plenty of you guys listening know the podcast and our subscribers. So guys, welcome. Thanks for joining us.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hey, thanks for having us, dude. Thank you. It was good talk with you a couple of weeks ago, so it's good to reconnect again. Yeah, it was awesome. Actually, after that, I saw Clive the Karl. I saw an episode of his, we're talking about him on the higher side chats. And as soon as I heard his voice, I remember that I've definitely seen his heard and seen him, you know, so it was a great, great that you reminded me about him. I'm definitely going to be probably trying to try to get him on the podcast.
00:00:47
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. He's so knowledgeable in that British accent. It's like ASMR. It just lulls you. Honey, that guy could be selling me six different types of pharmaceuticals, chemotherapy. I'll have a couple of each because I want to have a backup. You have convinced me, sir.
Origin of "Legitbat" Podcast Name
00:01:08
Speaker
Just out of curiosity, how did you come up with the name Legitbat for your podcast?
00:01:15
Speaker
I usually have Ben take this one, damn it. So we do have a third co-host and he's at work so he couldn't make it. But I usually pawn this off on him because we've told the story quite a few times, but it came from the show workaholics. And I don't know if you're familiar with that show, but it's just another dumb American show. But they they were talking about how dad dicks were bigger in the 80s. So the one dude's asking the other guy, like, well, what's your dad packing? And he's like, well, he has a legit bat. And so from that,
00:01:45
Speaker
We always thought it was funny, but then the roommate we used to live with, uh, he made an, when Jen came out to visit before she moved here, he had an actual like Louisville slugger baseball bat. And he had her without any context had Jen, right? Legit on the bat. And she's like, what am I doing? Is it, am I going to look stupid doing this? And, uh, we ended up, it ended up being a joke where we'd all get drunk and, you know, with witty banter and we'd pass the bat around to whoever said the funniest thing of the night.
00:02:14
Speaker
So it was like a scepter that we just kind of like passed around. And then when we got married, that same friend married us. And at the end of the ceremony presented her with the legit bat as like the final win. You know, so it's actually in our house still. And then when we went to go start the show, it was actually Ben that came up with that name. He's like, why don't we just call it legit bat podcast? I'm like, that's stupid. But nobody else has that name. So it actually worked out. We dominate Google with legit bat. Yeah, I love it, bro. That's freaking hilarious. I want to I want to do something.
00:02:43
Speaker
things a little bit backwards. Normally, when I interview folks near the end of the interviews, I ask a question which is all about solution stock.
Building Autonomy and Resilience
00:02:53
Speaker
I wanted to start today with that question because I've noticed we've been covering quite a lot of not so
00:03:02
Speaker
Positive topics which is important to do for people to get a grasp on but you guys have such an awesome beautiful sense of humor. I'd love to just talk solutions and interweave a little bit of.
00:03:17
Speaker
crack as the iris say you know so with that in mind let me ask you the question so the question is what are you guys doing that others can do also to increase their freedom self-reliance autonomy and resilience to the challenges that we face this decade and beyond.
00:03:38
Speaker
Well, uh, the, some of the things we're doing is just basic, you know, we, you have to do it one thing at a time. Cause it does seem overwhelming when people are trying to become autonomous or, you know, a homestead or any of those things that you hear people
Accepting and Changing Your World
00:03:51
Speaker
talk about. But we just started with getting a couple chickens, but two chickens and it's grown since then, but like things like that chickens garden, we really focused on the garden this year. And it's not anywhere near big enough to actually support our family just from the garden, obviously, but it's a start. It's a.
00:04:08
Speaker
It's practice, you know, like we had to, I could turn my whole yard into a garden and probably live off of it. Maybe not comfortably, but just little things like that and just starting to kind of discount. I don't know. Do you have anything else? Like what else have we been doing? It's hard before we got to that place. We were looking at the world around us and we were concerned and you know, a lot of people were a few years ago and
00:04:34
Speaker
we just got to a place where we had to accept that things were going to happen. And that's what everyone can do. You have to know that things just are going to happen around you. And it's up to you to be reactive or you can go with the flow and adapt. And I think once you do that, once you accept that the world just is the way it is, it's a lot easier to see more clearly what you need to do for yourself, if that makes sense. Right. Stopping trying to change the world and just change your own world in
00:05:03
Speaker
I mean, there's a lot of, you know, when you're younger, you're really idealistic and I'm going to change the world. I'm going to fix this fucked up mess. And then you get older and you're like, oh, there's actually probably not very much I can do to fix the world, but I can fix my world and I can make my, you know, general area what I want it to be. And then if everybody were to do that, that's the idea that if everybody did that, then, you know, the world would be better. So it's the cliche, be the change you want to see, you know, that gay gay old cliche.
00:05:28
Speaker
It actually is true, but if everybody wanted to do that. You can't say gay on my podcast, sorry. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Faggie, faggie. Faggots.
Dreams and Challenges of Homesteading
00:05:41
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. Like I, this is, you know, I love it when girls, wait, is it, can I call you a girl? Chicks? Women. I hope so. I love it when women are into this because I,
00:05:58
Speaker
I feel like a lot of this, there's a lot of guys out there that want to be more autonomous, more self-reliant. And I feel like a lot of the time it's the woman that is like, I'll just kind of be quite sort of up fronting Candid here.
00:06:17
Speaker
My dream is to live on like 10 acres, homestead, chickens, goats, probably a donkey and maybe some other cool animals and dogs. And my wife is like, oh, you know, what are we just going to be like?
00:06:32
Speaker
pulling weeds out of the ground and doing backbreaking work and stuff. The plants do most of the growing. You plant them, you water them, you do a few bits and pieces here. But nature does all the work for you. And she's getting more around to some ideas.
00:06:52
Speaker
I planted a few bits and pieces and you know she's gonna get around to it but I love to see when couples are are into this because I mean you're exactly right if each family unit or small little community or extended family does this man like we could trans in one generation we could transform the earth
00:07:16
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. And there's nothing wrong with backbreaking work. I like that. I want to buy an orchard. I keep trying to convince Joe that we should buy an orchard. And I want to work it myself. Well, with him too, of course. He thinks that I want to buy it and then have him do all the work, which is not true at all. But we do yard work and all that stuff together. But it's fun. And you have to do it one thing at a time because we had all these big dreams.
00:07:37
Speaker
I mean, it's like renovating a house, you know, you go in and you can't just be like doing everything all at the same time. You have to start somewhere and it could be like pulling a nail out. You just have to start doing one thing so you can start a garden by planting one plant, plant some seeds, dig up a little spot in your yard and then just do that. And then the next day, pick out some seeds and go plant them and then just do that. You know, just do it one step at a time. It makes it so much easier. Well,
Raising Chickens and Livestock
00:08:02
Speaker
and a lot of people think that it's daunting to have that kind of a life where you're
00:08:08
Speaker
homesteading, you know, like you said, donkeys and goats and all that. So it seems like a lot of work, but it only seems like a lot of work because of day jobs and the way that we have to live currently. I always told Jen, I was like, wouldn't that be the best thing ever? If that's all we had to do was focus on survival, it would be a different kind of stress, but it would be so much more rewarding. And you go out and hunt your own food, live like a caveman basically, but
00:08:32
Speaker
you know, in a nice house or whatever. So it's hard to do both of those things now though, to make enough money to pay property taxes and all this stupid bullshit that we have to deal with. It's kind of impossible. There are ways to do it, but you kind of need a lot of money to do what we're talking about. So it's like a catch 22 of like, it's the simplest thing ever. You live in a house, you hunt your food, you grow your food and fuck everybody else.
00:08:57
Speaker
That's all you want, but that actually takes a lot of fucking money in this day and age to do that. So yeah, it's hard to figure out, but that's why I said just start small, start doing little things here and there. So after you got the couple of chickens, where are you at now with the livestock?
00:09:12
Speaker
Well, it's gone up and down. So we started with two. One of them ended up being a rooster and we live in city limits, which we found out is not okay to have a rooster in city limits. And it's actually fair enough because that motherfucker was so annoying. No, he crowed from 5 AM every seven minutes or seven seconds. I can't remember, but he would do that for hours. So it was like every few seconds
00:09:35
Speaker
The rooster would do a full crow cycle and he would do it. And then he would do it again at noon and then again at five. So it's not like the rooster crows at dawn. It's all day. So the neighbors called animal control on us. And I actually don't blame them at all. No, after the fact, I was like, that's fair enough. Yeah. So we got rid of the rooster, got another chicken. It immediately killed itself by breaking its own neck, which chickens are not the smartest creatures. And so then we got four more and
00:10:04
Speaker
we had the one original hand and then four more and that was quite a while and then two of them died on the same day. Some predator got one of them, the other one freaked out and jumped in the pool and drowned itself. So then we were down to the three and then our original chicken just died a few weeks ago, something got her too. So then we got two more. So now we're back up to four, but only two of them are laying, but it's a whole
00:10:29
Speaker
Every single chicken is different but the same. They're all retarded, but they all have weird little things they do. It's just fun. They're like pets to us. I don't ever plan on cooking and eating them, but they're just little house pets that live outside and shit everywhere. It's actually pretty fun. Yeah, I think it's so idealistic. When we went to
00:10:51
Speaker
meet our midwife for the first time to see if we want to work together. She had her beautiful border collie come and greet us on their mini little homestead kind of on the west coast of Portugal. And they had a bunch of chickens running around. And she's like, oh, do you want one? Because I was like, oh, this is so cool. You're living my dream, guys, here. She's like, oh, do you want one? So nonchalantly.
00:11:17
Speaker
There's nothing like these things are so easy. But when you actually have an animal, even if it's just like a puppy or a cat, the amount of responsibility because, you know, like the year you have predators there, probably not as bad here. But, you know, they get diseases. You have to learn a ton of shit. Like when we got a dog, my wife became an expert on dog training and she was reading books and stuff. It's like having a baby, man. And then you have goats.
Urban Homesteading
00:11:43
Speaker
What other animals are you planning on having, if you know any?
00:11:48
Speaker
Well, we can't really have like livestock type animals. Like I said, it's the same as roosters. Like you can't have cows or goats and we only have like a quarter acre lot. So we're doing what we can with a small amount of property. But, um, if we were to ever move, yeah, I'd probably get a couple of goats, even though I don't trust those motherfuckers at all, but they are good for milk and they eat up all the weeds and all that stuff. So I would love to have a donkey too, just cause I think that's hilarious.
00:12:12
Speaker
We're focusing more on the gardening side of it because we can and that's all we can do. We have this little coop area that's perfect on the side of our house. It's blocked off from the whole rest of the yard, but it's really not that much responsibility also is what I wanted to say for chickens. Taking care of a puppy is way harder than taking care of a flock of chickens. Yeah, and the chickens actually give back to the family.
00:12:34
Speaker
Yeah, and you get eggs every single day. So, I mean, if you guys wanted to do that, it's really easy to have chickens. Just let them out and put them back in at night. That's really it. They do poop everywhere. But they eat everything. You just throw out your table scraps and they will eat that shit up.
00:12:53
Speaker
I love that model. Two problems here. We live in an apartment. And to be honest, one day we have a garage downstairs. We're like two apartments, one on top of the other. We're kind of on the second floor. And this garage is down there. And I told my wife one day that I have considered putting chickens in the garage. And then in the morning, letting them out, there's a field out there. And there's a guy with like maybe he has like 15 sheep.
00:13:24
Speaker
kind of brings the sheep out. So it's like, I have considered getting chickens and letting them out during the day and bringing them back in the evening. And she's like, you know what, that doesn't come, that doesn't surprise me one little bit. Now the other, so that's a, that's a bit of a logistical problem here with not having a yard, but the other thing is our dog, bro, she will eat
00:13:49
Speaker
all of our table scraps like literally like she cleans the floor she cleans everything there's nothing like chicken with sometimes we cook like uh was it like four pounds of chicken wings all those balls to just go through her like a like a garbage disposal and the next day like these tiny little yellow poops they're just like like popping them out like ping pong balls you know like that chick goes on women can do
00:14:14
Speaker
So my dream is one day to do that. But for now, I'm like yourselves. I'm doing what I can. Like on my balcony, I have like some wild strawberries, alpine strawberries. I'm most successful for some reason at growing the psychedelic cactus, San Pedro.
00:14:33
Speaker
You watered that thing. Today I cut, it had grown. We got it as a gift, a tiny cutting as a gift for our wedding by the guy that married us, like a Peruvian dude who like does Wachuma, San Pedro ceremonies. And so that was two years ago. So I finally cut it.
00:14:52
Speaker
In some chunks in some segments and I'm gonna repot some of them and I got a segment like about was it like eight inches and I'm gonna cook that shit up this week and drink it one of the days and You know, we gotta let us know how that goes I heard that can be Marley let the medicine You know do its thing. Yeah, I think it's I'm overdue for that Nice. Yeah, I've never fucked around with San Pedro, but that's good. Is it legal there or
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah. In Portugal, most of the regular drugs are, well, I mean, it's not a drug, it's a medicine, first of all. But things like cannabis, cocaine, acid, all the ones that most people know, heroin, mostly for the most part have been decriminalized. But this is like, to me, this is a medicine.
00:15:46
Speaker
Yes, it's a masculine. Yes, it's kind of
Drug Decriminalization in Portugal
00:15:49
Speaker
like other things like MDMA in some ways, but it's not. It's a medicine. I mean, it just depends on how you look at it. And if you're stupid and take drugs like that and do something stupid, well, you were just already stupid. So that's why I actually had a conversation about that with my friend last night. And people think it's crazy that we think drugs should be decriminalized or
00:16:11
Speaker
People put it like, Oh, it should be legalized. You want heroin to be legal? I was like, no, it's not legal or illegal. Don't tell me what to do. And if I go rob a store on meth, that's a crime already. So the meth had nothing to do with it. I mean, maybe, but I was already a shitty person if that's going to happen. So the meth was secondary. So yeah, the decriminalization, how's that going over there? Anyways, has it reduced crime or have you noticed any difference?
00:16:38
Speaker
So we were only here five years or so. I think they did it kind of in the early 2000s. And from what I understand, I think violent crime definitely went down because of drugs. Violent crime because of drugs, I think that went down.
00:16:54
Speaker
So I haven't really looked too deeply into it. But from kind of evidence in terms of Amsterdam or Holland and here, it does look like it is beneficial to decriminalize drugs. And I'm of the exact same opinion as yourself. Like, why should they tell you which plants you can just as an example, in Ireland, you cannot buy St. John's Wort. Really?
00:17:27
Speaker
I think you have to get a prescription. So if you go to iHerb.com from Ireland, you cannot get St. John's Wort and I believe Melatonin, you couldn't order this. My personal opinion is because St. John's Wort
00:17:47
Speaker
is a natural selectives or SSRI, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor. And if you have a little bit of cash, like a certain type of industry might have, and a little bit of lobbying power with the government, it's very easy to say, you know what, this herbal alternative that's been around since the dawn of humanity, why should people have that when we have our own class of modulators of the serotonergic system?
00:18:17
Speaker
Right. And that's what's so stupid is a lot of the, I mean, all pharmaceuticals are based on natural substances that they just synthesized down to the core element of whatever they think is the mode of, uh, you know, whatever works or whatever, whatever they're trying to do. So they'll at the same time make a plant illegal, but then use that plant to make pharmaceuticals, which are legal. If, you know, the doctor says that's okay for you. It's so stupid. Like it's so backwards. It's so backwards, bro. It's like these, um,
00:18:47
Speaker
cannabinoids. For example, here in Europe, there's companies in Holland that they sell research chemicals. So you can get analogs of LSD and a bunch of other things. And they're
00:19:03
Speaker
When they make something illegal, they just change the molecule slightly and they're one step ahead of the legislation. So there's a lot of LSD analogues and there's a lot of synthetic cannabinoids. And from anecdotal reports, like I've read and heard this, like people can have horrendous, horrendous psychotic episodes from these synthetic cannabinoids. It's just the stuff is very dangerous. And that's what the pharmaceutical companies want to like use instead of people having access to cannabis in many places.
00:19:33
Speaker
Yeah. And that's, that's kind of the problem with like, uh, when they, uh, I can't remember his name, the guy that wrote the spirit molecule. What was his name? Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Stressman Rick stress. Yes. Yes. I think so. Yeah. So the way that they do the testing is dumb because they, they synthesize the active ingredient and then, you know, intravenously feed it into you and expect the same or, you know, expect to get research out of that one.
00:20:00
Speaker
really like ayahuasca or something like that that is brewed from plants and then they drink everything in it and all the other parts of the plant have have an effect like it's like with marijuana with like the terpenes that are in it that has a different effect so just extracting just the THC out of marijuana is different than smoking the whole plant because that's a whole combination of shit but all sorts of other things yeah
00:20:26
Speaker
Right. So then when they do, they did some THC testing years ago, but it was like a THC pill and they just extracted and synthesized the THC part of it without all the CBD, CBN, CBAs, all those other parts of the plant. So to try to get like the same effect or like to get actual research out of these things by
Natural vs. Pharmaceutical Remedies
00:20:46
Speaker
leaving out the rest of the part of God's creation that was in that same plant just seems stupid. And that's what that's what they do. That's why things like OxyContin are based on heroin. It's like the act of, you know, whatever is in heroin that makes it so damn good for people. But I mean, even heroin is kind of synthesized down, you know, from poppies or whatever. But it just it's all I was telling my mom about that. It's all just kind of a perversion and all these things that people knock, you know, like cocaine.
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of a perversion of the actual plant, the coca leaves. People have chewed it for thousands of years and it's like coffee. It's probably better for you than drinking coffee, just chewing on a coca leaf. But guess what? That's illegal, but coffee's fine and it's heavily sprayed with pesticides. This is what I mean by the ass backwards nature of all this stuff. It's maddening. Even like tobacco
00:21:36
Speaker
like wild tobacco, and apparently if you hold the smoking from organic tobacco in the mouth, that you absorb the nicotine through the kind of the lining of your mouth, and you get the benefits of the nicotine, which is kind of a nootropic, but like this tobacco, I think they even dip it in sugar, and it's just extremely carcinogenic. And look it out, dude, the fact that we're allowed to drink alcohol, and it's so heavily promoted,
00:22:03
Speaker
And this shit has just destroyed so many lives, man, you know? It's... Yeah, and at the same time, weed has been illegal for years. I mean, it's kind of changed over here recently, but it's still... I mean, I don't trust the stuff from the stores you can go to because who knows what they've sprayed on it. It's the same as anything else, like buying tomatoes at the store. I don't trust those either, but...
00:22:28
Speaker
What's it like? How are things like in California now with the cannabis stuff? Is everybody like growing on their own or they're just like too lazy? There's a lot of people that grow on their own, especially the ones that don't want to buy from what has become corporations in the weed world, which is something that every pot smoker was against forever. And now it's just turned into a Walmart of weed and it's just big corporations because there's a
00:22:55
Speaker
a huge fee of entry to get into the business legally. So there is still, you know, uh, black market, uh, small farms that grow their own stuff, but mostly it's for them to smoke themselves or to give it to their friends. They're not really, there's really the black market kind of died with weed in 2016. Like it just kind of was over and it got taken over by big companies that just grow massive amounts of GMO weed or whatever. And, uh,
00:23:23
Speaker
But we accidentally grew weed. Well, a couple of years ago, we grew it on purpose the first year and then one of them turned out male. So it was just seedy as fuck. The seeds dropped into the ground at some point. And then what was it last year? Yeah, last year we just had three volunteer massive pot plants grow up out of the out of the cracks in the ground. Yeah, we didn't do shit. They found some water supply and they grew into the biggest plants I've ever seen that were on accident and the flower and everything.
00:23:53
Speaker
They did, but one of them ended up being male again, and it just fucked up the buds, and they all ended up being seedy. We saved them though. Yeah, we still have it. We trimmed it. We trimmed every year these stupid weed plants we grow. It's not a lot. It fills up a small paper bag, but it's still our own weed that we grew, and then I save the seeds, and then I try to grow again the next year.
00:24:12
Speaker
We're actually staying on a weed farm tomorrow and Airbnb. We're going to go to the coast in Eureka and I was looking on Airbnb to find a place to stay and it was like unique marijuana farm apartment. And I was like, what? So we have to do that. But yeah, it's really cool. They have a bunch of units. They, they do tours of the farm. It looks really pretty. The place is cute inside and they leave you a packed bowl and samples of their weed, like on the table when you get there. That'll be fine. That's somewhere in California, right?
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's a north coast, so it's up by kind of near the Oregon border, but yeah, it's.
00:24:47
Speaker
It's a big hippie area. It's in Humboldt. So, I mean, if you know Humboldt, then it's the Emerald Triangle. There's just so many cool things about the States that, like, I'd love to, we'd love to come there one day, you know, just with the current world situation. I don't know if that's going to happen. Like I haven't, I haven't actually, I mean, I've been to, I mean, Portugal, so I've been to Spain like a couple of times since the COVID thing, but I haven't been on a plane since like October 2019.
00:25:15
Speaker
I was like, this is it. This is the apocalypse. I'm just going to fucking chill here. Y'all call me when it's over, you know, that kind of way. Yeah, I'm just going to stick in my underground bunker. Let me know when it's when it's done.
00:25:29
Speaker
And flying on a plane was not that cool for the last few years. It's now a lot better, but... Flying on a plane has always sucked balls, but the last couple of years it was even more. Yeah, they made it really hard. They were really, really anal about the mask thing and now it came out that the masks did nothing, which we all knew in the first place. And then Southwest Airlines, which is like a really popular airline in America,
00:25:51
Speaker
they stopped serving alcohol on their flights during COVID. It was so weird. We're like, wow, this already blows. Now you're going to make it so we can't even make it okay. You can't even be happy on this flight. You can't carry weed on planes. You can't wear a mask. So I just got a vodka and soda in a cup and brought it on the flight and the flight attendant asked me what it was and I was like, oh, it's water. I'm joking. I think that they were afraid that people would loosen up
00:26:18
Speaker
probably drink a little bit more than usual because of so much stress, let me unload, and they're going to loosen up too much and they'll be like, fuck you, I'm not wearing this mask and it's going to turn into a fiasco. That is what happened. I think that is the reason, yeah. So they do allow drinking on their flights now, but during COVID they stopped because a lot of people were getting belligerent and freaking out about not wearing a mask. Deservedly, yeah.
00:26:44
Speaker
Right, for sure. But if you want to get on the flight, that's their rules. You don't have to fly. You can make other arrangements. That was the mindset that I adopted where if I wanted to go to Costco, I had to wear a mask. So I just stopped going to Costco. I just went to other places and it wasn't a big deal. I didn't freak out at Costco for their policies even though I thought they were dumb. That's my opinion. That's not their opinion.
00:27:07
Speaker
I think that as far as the world goes, if we all stop giving a shit about what other people are thinking, we'd be a lot happier. You can make different arrangements always. It goes back to that mindset we were just talking about earlier is that take care of your own world to make your own world better and don't pay attention to all this other stuff. And we do get bombarded with it, like she said, going to Costco and they made a big deal about wearing a mask in the store and it's like, okay, well,
00:27:35
Speaker
I want to tell you, this isn't my jam, but, uh, the biggest thing I've heard, you know, in the last three years is, and it's simple, but it's pretty, uh, important is just do not comply. Just don't, just don't do it. Stop doing it. If, if Costco wants to make you, you know,
00:27:52
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Stick a dildo up your ass before you go in there's gonna be a lot of people that will do that because they're like, okay Well, it's for my safety, you know, just don't do it go somewhere else or you know If there's something you really need at Costco, you can probably find it somewhere else that doesn't do that shit find a local store that you know, I
00:28:07
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the people were not complying around here, a lot of people would just walk in. So there was like a guard at the gate that would say, here's your mask. Because a lot of people just didn't have them, especially around here. We live in a cool place where a lot of people did not comply. So they had guards at the gate saying, put on your mask, here's a mask. And then some people would just take it and walk in and walk around and shop. So I did that a couple times.
00:28:28
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I put mine in my pocket. When I stopped going to Costco was when my sister-in-law went there, and the security guard came up to her and said, put on your mask. And she said, no, I'm not wearing one. And he grabbed her shoulder. And I was like, oh, shit. They're going to start touching people and pushing people around. That could get crazy. I'm just not going to go there until all this blows over. It's wild. Yeah. So that was for health safety that you put a mask on, but you can touch me and grab my shoulder. And that's fine. But as long as you put a mask on,
00:28:57
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I can't even imagine what other people think about the last three years when, through the whole thing, a lot of people, I'd say most of us, we're just going, what the fuck?
00:29:09
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What is this? And now that it's kind of in the past, we're still going, do you remember this? Do you remember the kids bands that were wearing masks with holes in them so they could play their clarinets? Like what was that? What the fuck was that? And I saw a picture the other day too of somebody at a, it was like, I don't know if it was a festival or something, but they had little pens set up.
00:29:29
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that separated everybody. And the meme caption was, remember when they convinced the sheep to pen themselves and everybody's just in their own pens? I saw that recently, yeah. It's ridiculous. And you know, I'm finding it's more awake people like yourselves that are still talking about it because
00:29:48
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A lot of the normies, they were just like, I want this to be over so I can get on with my normie life. And it's just been completely repressed. But what intelligent people are doing is we're not only are we continuing to talk about it, because first of all, that's one way of processing trauma, because we've all been traumatized. But also, we must never let ourselves and others forget
00:30:16
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what was done to us because this was the crime of the millennium you know and there is no way in fuck that we we must let this blow over because as soon as
00:30:30
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these normies, forget, boom, 2025, uh, like, uh, kill Gates was saying, Oh, the next one, they'll, they'll get people's attention. You know, they're for sure planning some other crazy shit, you know? And as soon as something happens, these retards are going to be like, um, okay. So what was the, what was the plan last? Oh yeah. Here's my box of masks. Okay. That's sorted.
00:30:52
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Let me just schedule my next boost, super booster. Do we have a vaccine for this new one? Oh, the old vaccine still works. Okay. I'm sure that science. Unless we continue exposing the bullshit, there's a lot of people doing great work in this area, which I love. But we have to, dude, we cannot let this shit pass us by because
00:31:18
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You know, it's like, Foom, you want shame on you. But like, at this point, anybody that's allowed themselves to be fooled again is there might be an NPC? I don't know. Yeah. And a lot of people, you know, it's over with. Stop talking about it. You're beating a dead horse. And yeah, I don't I'm not trying to be negative with that. We barely cover anything COVID related anymore unless it's in passing. But I mean, never forget that they offered a free donut every day for a year.
00:31:47
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because of health. Just that by itself. And then a lot of tickets. And then they even offered Escort services in Vegas or something like that. Like fast food. It's like all the things that are terrible for you. You get it for free if you get this really healthy thing for you.
00:32:04
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is also hurting people. We weren't super negative about it either. We would just reflect on COVID as it was happening, which I think a lot of people should have done. Instead, they were panicking and just reacting again, like I was talking about earlier, instead of going with it and just seeing what was really, truly happening around us, which was insane. We would just sit back and watch
00:32:27
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And not, you know, we were like, this doesn't, this doesn't look right. But a lot of people were just like, yeah, I don't want to wear a mask at work anymore. So I'm just going to get my boot, my shot a lot. We had a friend who did that. They paid him $200. Yeah. They paid you $200 to get a vaccine or what's called a vaccine, a experimental RNA injection, but whatever. Um, and people just didn't question it. And that was the weirdest thing to me. And
00:32:54
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Literally zero question, just yes, put it in me, inject it, put it in me. Wow. I mean, I guess we kind of all grew up with that, at least in the States where you have so many injections as a baby, but you don't remember any of that shit. And it sucks to look back now because I would have never given my kid any of those things knowing what we know now. And hopefully those early ones aren't as bad or less damaging, but
00:33:19
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It's just annoying that you can't even have a conversation about these things without people immediately writing you off as an anti-vax tinfoil hatter. And it's like, no, let's talk about this. What's that? You have a kid? Yeah, we have a 17 year old and an 11 year old. Oh, wow. Geez, your kids are, your kids are old.
00:33:36
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Well, we're old, dude. You're younger than me. We had kids, youngish, we had kids in our 20s. I think we were the same age when we had our kids. How old were you? 25. I was 25 also when my kiddo was born. But we're six years apart. So our kids are too. But after that whole thing, I think I'm done with kids. I mean, you know, once they have grandkids, that'll be awesome because I can give them back and then they don't have to live at my house.
00:34:06
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Here you go. Now you're thinking solutions. It's a beautiful thing. I think after the age of 10, it must get easier when they can entertain themselves so you can get some fucking work done. Jesus Christ. The last few months, I was waking up literally between 2 and 5 AM to work before my daughter would wake up at 10 AM.
00:34:32
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And then I have to do that stuff. And then when she would take naps, I would be working here. And then sometimes in the evening, I'd be editing videos from the course and stuff. Dude, by the end of it all,
00:34:43
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I actually got sick just from over-exhausting myself. I'm not saying I'm looking forward to when she's going to go to school because the schools here, just school in general, I think is just a rotten institution. So I don't know what I'm going to have to do, but I want to be more involved in my kid's life. I want to be like a set an example, teach her skills, life skills and stuff, and teach her a lot of the
00:35:12
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better things that you learn at school, but at the same time, how do you juggle that and balance it with the fact that you also have to work and like do projects and stuff, you know? That's funny. We were just actually kind of talking about this yesterday in the last few days, but my, my opinion, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but
00:35:32
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I think the kids absorb a lot more from how you are in the world than what you tell them. Cause what's the first thing you, you know, a kid, when you tell them not to do something, they want to do that immediately. That's the first thing they want to do. So it seems to me that like harping on what you shouldn't do, isn't as important as just doing what you should do. And they will absorb that and then emulate that and then figure out if that works for them. And if I'm totally off base on that, they'll figure that out themselves. I mean, they're all little people there. They're all going to have their own little, you know,
00:36:01
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thing that they're doing that I can't understand. I don't understand my kids half the time, but I don't need to. They're doing their own thing and I'm doing my thing. If what we're doing matches up with how you think you should act, then go ahead. But if not, you'll find out the repercussions of not acting that way because we did too. That's how we got to where we are now is because we've fucked up a lot.
00:36:25
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And I can tell you what's going to happen if you do this one thing and you might not listen, but when it happens, you'll be like, Oh, right. That's what he was talking about. And what sucks about that is that it takes like 20 years.
00:36:38
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It takes a long fucking time for that. And I know that just from personal experience. Like a lot of the things my parents told me when I was a teenager, I was like, are you full of shit? Whatever. Then I lived another 20 years and was like, damn, they were actually correct on like a lot of that. But it's vindicating for them now. We understand why they did it at least. Yeah.
00:36:57
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Yeah, we understand the intention at least. Whether the actual execution was correct might be different, but the intent and the idea behind it and the old-timey wisdom they had, I get now. I'm sure that's great for them to see now and for me to actually agree with most of what they're saying. Maybe not your execution, but the idea, yeah, that was correct.
00:37:18
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I do want to say, too, with your daughter, I know that I remember I was so I was a single mom when I had my daughter. I was in school. I worked two jobs and I was a full time mom. So I had to juggle trying to raise my kid and I was barely around. It was so hard. She was always with daycare or whatever. So I would get so stressed because I was trying so hard, like you're saying, to do all of these things like working. I would be exhausted all the time. And it was more of a chore.
00:37:46
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Not outwardly, it was just subconsciously, it was like a chore to take care of my own kid because I wanted the best for her. It was stressful. And I will challenge you to try to never be stressed when you're changing a diaper or when you're bathing her or when you're doing something that is stressful because it's taking away from work. Because when she's a teenager and hates your guts, you're going to miss those times. Those are the best times when she's a sweet little baby and just depends on you.
00:38:14
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Yeah, it is weird because those were the best of times, but also the, uh, what is challenging. Yeah. It seemed, it seemed like the most stressful at the time, but now you look at it and you're like, no, that was, that was easy. That was fucking, I wish you, I wish you were just a little pink blob of flesh with a mouth and a butt.
00:38:29
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Yes. Now you're just a big... I miss those days. I wish that's all my daughter needed. I wish I could wake up at four o'clock in the morning every single day before I go to work and take care of my daughter. I wish that is what I had to do with her now instead of raising this little adult that's very challenging at times. Yeah. Well, at 17, I can imagine Jesus, especially with boyfriends. That's one thing that
00:38:54
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I think one of the biggest challenges for probably for a dad would be like watching his girl become a woman and then like have men in her life. And you can see they're like little pieces of shit that have only one fucking thing on their mind. And you just want to get the air rifle out and start blasting. But that's where the things come from. You know, I don't know. Like I feel like, OK, I
00:39:22
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I mean you guys are obviously you know super smart folks so maybe you've thought about this as well but for me philosophically I've wondered who like why are we on the earth why does God put us through such misery like you know having having to like lose loved ones and
00:39:43
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like pets and having to see, you know, like just all of this shit. And we can segue into, I want to see like, what's your opinion on why are we here on earth? Do you believe like there are NPCs out there? Like, what's kind of your take on, do you believe in reincarnation? And like, what do you think is the meaning of life? I know it's like a massive question, but like, where do you stand on that?
00:40:08
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Are you listening to our conversations? We literally just talked about this for hours last night. It's all like, Jen, take this one. Well, no, no, it was not recorded. No, just ourselves. I'm going to tune in because I've been recording them. I just haven't listened to them.
00:40:26
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Oh, okay. Thank you. Right? All right. We have to check for bugs. There will be bonus episodes available in Rockfin. That we won't even know about. But no, I definitely believe in reincarnation. I think that God puts us here.
Belief in Reincarnation and Life Appreciation
00:40:41
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to experience life and it just is. To us, we have this perception of good and bad because of things that happen to us in ways that we formulate our thoughts and formulate what we believe, what our values are, what we like, what we don't like, what we want, what we don't want. That is what makes things good and bad. If you do less of that, I'm not saying that I'm great at this. It's just a theory that maybe if you do less of that and just appreciate what is there,
00:41:09
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you will experience more of life. I know that sounds a little bit weird. I think people die. I think bad things happen, quote unquote. You lose loved ones or lose pets.
00:41:19
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because it makes you appreciate the life that you have and the people that are in your life. It reminds you, hey, maybe you could have been a little bit nicer to this person, or every moment that you have, you should be doing the best thing possible, not reacting, not freaking out at someone, not yelling because someone cut you off in traffic, so you're going to take it out on your spouse. And then what if your spouse dies the next day? And that's the last interaction you had. I do think of that a lot. I won't ever leave the house.
00:41:47
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arguing or in a fight or saying something crappy because I never know what's coming next. And I think we get to reincarnate and do this again, but we don't remember it. So it doesn't really matter. So we're still living all of these lives and we die in all of these lives and the memories aren't really there. So we have to take
00:42:05
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each life that we're given and be as appreciative as possible. That's what I was saying about your daughter. She's a little one right now. Just appreciate those moments that suck when she throws up all over everything or poops on the floor or whatever. Those are moments that you're going to look back on and it's going to be really funny. We just talked about this exact thing with Brandon Williams or
00:42:29
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Brandon Thomas. I always get those two mixed up from a expanding reality. I listened to that one. I listened to that one, yeah. Oh, no. Was it on the show we did with him? Anyway, it was like two days ago, but anyway, we talked about embracing the suck, basically, in how- He knows the one. Oh, okay. Yeah, in about how
00:42:51
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Cause he asked how we react to like problems in life or something. And it's just, he's talking about capturing snakes on his thing. I think he was talking about that. Yeah. So yeah, that's, I mean, like Jen was saying, like appreciating every moment and all that, all the suck and all that stuff, but also not beating yourself up for not being perfect in every moment because none of us will be. So we talked about how it's like a balancing act. Everything is balanced. So when you're,
00:43:21
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appreciating every moment, then you have one where you just fucked up and reacted the wrong way. You can't beat yourself up about that either because then you're stuck on the other side of it and you're not appreciating that moment or whatever. It's hard to relay my thoughts on this. It's a constant learning process. Yeah, I know. It's really complicated. I actually usually have to be drunk to say this better and I'm pretty sober right now. But no, we were talking with Brandon as well about
00:43:48
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hope. He said, what do you do when your hopes don't come true? What do you do? And I was like, well, you can't. Hope and worry are the same exact thing to me. When you're hoping for something, it's something that hasn't happened yet that you really want to happen. But you're also worried that it's not going to happen. But it's not what's happening. You're not living in the now. You have to live in the now. You're just telling yourself stories that haven't happened yet. Yeah, exactly. So just embrace the moment that is
00:44:16
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happening and do your best in that exact moment. And that's all you can do moment to moment, living your life. So yes, I definitely believe in reincarnation. I think that we're leveling up, our souls level up. I think we're also part of one thing. I think that God, we're like little extensions of God.
00:44:33
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and that he puts us down here for the experience of life, but that we go back to him at the end of the day. I don't really believe in individuality necessarily, except for on this plane, if that makes sense. I know it sounds really weird, but...
00:44:48
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I hear you. And by the way, you're, I think you're totally right about it. Appreciate the little things with, and like over the last six months with my daughter, it's really has gotten to be like that. Like, uh, before I remember, I would just when it was, uh, um, uh, time for bed.
00:45:09
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I just try to get her dressed and just rush through the whole thing and just put her in bed. She was tired and cranky. But now we have a routine where my wife will go into the shower or bring her into the shower.
00:45:25
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will bathe her, I come in with a towel, I go like put her on the changing table, then we like slowly like put a diaper on and we do like a little drops that the homeopath gave us and like a little bit of this and we dry the hair and it's like I'll sing to her and I love it and like even if she's super tired, super cranky, when we start doing this she's like
00:45:50
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laughing at me. She's trying to kick me in the face. And it's beautiful to the point where now I don't want to actually go and put her in bed. I know it's time to put her in bed, but we're there playing and stuff. And then I put her in bed, and I leave. And no, the whimper comes out of her. No crying, no nothing. So it's beautiful. And you're right. I feel like what you were saying earlier, Joe,
00:46:20
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they're so much better when they're a little blob, a little potato, and they don't have all these other, you know, intentions, and they're all sort of their own little, I mean, they have their, you always have their little mind, they always have their intentions and agenda. But like, when, when they, I see my nephews, they're like,
00:46:38
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much older, well not much older but in like five and whatever, four and nine and I see how different they are and it's just they become unwieldy these kids at some point I think. Yeah it's hard to always remind yourself that they are their own person because they since like we were talking about earlier they emulate a lot of the things you do but so you
00:47:00
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It's funny to see the way that they're like you and then the ways that they're totally not like you and you're like, oh, that's okay because they are their own little person. They have their own little thoughts on things and maybe at some point they'll be able to articulate to that and articulate that to you and you can understand more of this little person that you made. But every single parent ever, it's like another cliche that
00:47:21
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Oh they grow up so fast that is a hundred fucking percent true and i didn't realize how true that was in the you know in the midst of changing shitty diapers and my kid pissing on me and all that stuff you don't realize it but i went from that and having to literally keep an eye on him twenty four hours a day to make sure he didn't die.
00:47:40
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to now he's at camp for a week and I won't see him till Friday. And it just went like that. It's wild how fast it goes. So yeah, at least you have an early start on wrapping your head around these types of things so you can maybe appreciate those little things more. Yeah, I still haven't gotten around to the fact that this child, I mean, now she's with my wife on holidays, but like that she will be out of the house in school away from us for like several hours. I'm like,
00:48:10
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I don't know, I don't know. But anyway, we'll get there. Baby steps. Let me ask you guys now, what's your take on NPCs? I'm interested, because I was listening to one episode, you had some guy, I forgot the guy's names, but you were talking about this. It was very interesting. It's something I really have been thinking a lot about, because I see a lot of people out there, they kind of look NPC-ish to me, you know, some of them. And not from a derogatory, I'm not trying to be derogatory, like we're better than them or anything.
00:48:39
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but I genuinely feel like it's either that or just people are severely toxic and malnourished and depressed and their spirit has been really downtrodden. What's your take? Do you think this NPC thing is only an abstract term or do you take it more literally where you stand on that? That's another one.
00:49:08
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really complicated to try to explain what I think about it.
00:49:13
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I think there's just different levels of people, and that sounds, like you said, derogatory to be like, oh, we're above them or, you know, they're just dumb NPCs that just drive and go to Walmart and eat donuts and, you know, whatever. I don't know if it's like an empty vessel scenario where they're just kind of automatons that just do their thing, you know, like an NPC would in a video game. They're alive and they're real, but they just kind of do their thing and don't think about anything else.
00:49:42
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But I think everybody's been at that point, especially as a child, like you're kind of an NPC as a child. You're kind of just a ding dong that walks around sticking your fingers in your nose and, you know, whatever. So I don't know if it's something like that or it's it depends on how you look at reincarnation or young souls versus old souls or whatever. It could just be something like that. And but then you can think about it in the simulation way too.
00:50:06
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And I always say that I don't think it's a simulation like zeros and ones in a computer. It could be, but I don't think that's what it is. It's more like, uh, Sam Tripoli talks about a realm. It's like a plane of existence. It's a, it's this dimension that we're in and there probably are other ones. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either. So who knows? It could just be that it could be new, new avatars that haven't really come to this realm very much yet. So they don't really know what they're doing. And none of us really know what we're doing.
00:50:37
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But some of us have a different perspective on it. And we look at those other people and say, what are you doing? Why are you not like, what the fuck? I don't know. What do you think about it? I don't know. I go back and forth. If NPCs are a thing.
00:50:52
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I mean, I tend to think a little bit like what Joe is saying that people are just different and your perspective of that person, like how you perceive that person could totally make it look like they're an NPC because you're on a totally different level. It doesn't mean they're an NPC. And to them, you could be a fucking asshole, which is fair. Or maybe they had a crazy life that you don't know about. Maybe they have so much trauma that they can't really
00:51:16
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they can't really live their life to the fullest like they should. So they just look like an NPC to you. But I do think if NPCs are a thing, I do compare this world to a video game a lot, like some sort of meat-based non-digital video game. There are NPCs there and they all have a purpose. So that's still a good thing. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if there is NPCs, because we're playing Zelda right now. And if we didn't have the NPC character that sells us arrows at every stable, we'd be screwed.
00:51:46
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so necessary doesn't mean they're bad or like the worst thing in the world like i think the oracle. In the matrix wasn't npc wasn't the oracle was part of the machine and just was a avatar that did the same thing all the time but.
00:52:03
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She was sort of good, sort of bad, whatever. It didn't really matter. She served a purpose. She served a purpose and it helped Neo on his path. So I don't think NPCs are bad. I think NPCs, when people say, oh, that person's an NPC, I just think that person's full of shit and is super arrogant. So it's hard for me to talk. Well, it's like the people that throw around the co-op and the show and all that, you're a fad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. It's the same type of thing. But a lot of people actually wrote the opinion that some of the world leaders are NPCs in a way because
00:52:32
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Like I think it was actually Jen who mentioned that she's like, maybe that's actually part of the game, part of the simulation. They, these horrible, evil people like the Rockefellers and all these names we throw around probably are there for a reason to cause what happens. Like.
00:52:50
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whether it's divisiveness or just general polarity, like keeping things moving, because that's what makes the world move is polarity, negative and positive and light and dark and all that stuff. Maybe they're there just to do that and that's what keeps the simulation going. Yeah, they're there to create an obstacle where you have to make a choice and you can choose to freak out or you can choose to believe everything they say and follow what they're doing. It doesn't really matter, but it's there to create those people, those leaders possibly, if they're NPCs,
00:53:20
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They're there to help you on your path as a person. They're there to help each and every one of us. I love that. In fact, I was thinking about that yesterday from a slightly different angle, but I love that because let me just try to remember what I was thinking.
00:53:38
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this this kind of there was a YouTube channel I was watching a few years ago and he was talking about that that the elite as they're you know cold they they're not like they basically they're there as a catalyst for for awakening in like like basically what you're saying but what I was when you were just talking I was thinking
00:54:05
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what you guys are both saying resonates a lot because think about it like this if there was no let's say evil people trying to take over the world quote-unquote what would what would we do if it was like if it was all peace love and anarchy were you gonna look after your goats and chickens
00:54:22
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I'm going to look after my goats, chickens, donkeys, and whatever else my son Pedro cactus is. And the internet never would have been a thing. Smartphones never would have been a thing. We would all be like in these tiny, I guess, communities. You know, we'd still have like trials and tribulations and stuff. And there will always be suffering and love and everything.
00:54:43
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But it wouldn't be this amazing, look at how the world has been evolving in the last 500 years. That would completely go away. We don't be using wood, sticks, we don't have metals and stuff.
00:55:01
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You know, we wouldn't have like these micro, you know, nothing would get invented. I mean, we have some innovation, but we would have problems necessitating massive innovation. So that's actually very, we'd have to like, you know, ponder that one deeper.
00:55:17
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Yeah, I think about that a lot too. And people rag on technology and, you know, the, the Luddites that, uh, you know, like Amish people that are just like, no reject all technology. I don't agree with either one. And then there's the techies that are, have to get the newest iPhone is the day they're standing in line outside the store to get the newest, whatever, when it comes out. So there there's polar opposites there too. But the way that technology has advanced in the last hundred years is so unprecedented for the rest of recorded history. That it makes me think something went on. I don't know what it was, but something happened in the,
00:55:47
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Late 1800s, early 1900s that pushed us to where we are now. I'm not complaining. I love my microphone. I love my laptop. Love my phone. Love all this cool shit that we get to do. And it's like anything else. It's a tool and you can use it for bad or evil. And it's used for both all the time. Bad or evil. I like that. Bad or evil. Bad evil or worse. That's all we use our stuff for is just for evil, obviously. Bad evil and worse. Bad or evil. You can take that out. That's fine. You can edit it.
00:56:17
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I try not to edit because I'm lazy. I mean, I let the computer do all the work. I don't want to do inputs. Have you heard this theory that there was the Draco concept? The Draco was in control of the realm and sometime around the late 1800s they left and basically the quote unquote elites
00:56:47
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The reason for the technological advancements that we've had is because with the Draco, whatever this entity or entities were, through them, they could exert all the power and influence over the realm that they needed. But when they left, the only way to control
00:57:10
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Is through technology that's why we kind of seeing this push for technology tracking people eventually you know whatever their wet dream is of rf id chips and what not so.
00:57:25
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Yeah, that's I guess one theory of entities leaving. And I think Rudolf Steiner, he kind of, I have all his books, but I've not actually read most of them. So I'm not sure what he talks about. He talks about the Ariman. But what's your take on, could there be like some entities or something in control of the realm? Or do you think it's just humans being dicks to each other?
00:57:53
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It's probably both and it sounds like lazy to say it that way, but I think it's something of all of that. I don't know if it's actual beings from another planet that just have a different civilization or if it's something else from another dimension and it's demonic or if it's literally just the way humans are to each other and some of them are better at being dicks than others. I don't know. There is something that influences people though and it affects everybody.
00:58:22
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every single person and some people give into it and some people don't, and some people are better at that. I don't really know. The way I think of aliens, I've said it a bajillion times on our show, aliens and all that stuff, I think it's all one thing that just presents itself differently to different people.
00:58:38
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There's a reason some people have never seen a UFO or an alien but a lot of people say they have some people say they've seen bigfoot and some people go out looking for him and never fucking see it so i don't know if it's just your own perception coloring you know what you see and what you are presented with i don't really know but we all know that there's that the the old devil in the angel on your shoulder you have that.
00:59:00
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what you know you should probably do, but then you really want to do that other thing because God damn it, I'm so fucking mad or whatever. And I think some people just lean into one side or the other harder than other people and then we end up with John D. Rockefeller and people like that or Obama. So I don't really know what do you think about that alien thing or the entities.
00:59:22
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Well, I think, okay, so with psychedelics, I was reading a study, I can't even remember, maybe it was in the spirit molecule, but people would be on heavy doses of psychedelics and have these amazing experiences and their brain activity was like zero. But they were talking about things they were seeing and doing and their brain activity was not even making a reading at all.
00:59:44
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So I have this theory that we're part of God, and I think all of the outside influences are all evil, and we're subjected to that. But we're all going to always be a part of God, so it doesn't matter. Even if we die and have a terrible death, we're still going to go back to God in the end, so it doesn't matter. But we don't really know that. So our soul and our brain are two separate things. Our soul is connected to God. Our brain processes every experience that we have on Earth, and it's very easily influenced by evil.
01:00:14
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So I think all of those outside sources, whatever they are, can come in and influence us really easily because we're taught that our brain is like the most important thing ever. We have to use our brain. It's the meat remote. Who's controlling the remote, your soul? So that's, yeah, it's like the non-local consciousness thing where, yeah, your brain is what controls your avatar, but what's controlling your brain? What's pushing the buttons on the remote?
01:00:38
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No, you're fine. I just think that if we let go of that evil and stop thinking so much about all of the negative things that happen, our soul and God take over. They work together a lot better than just trying to process and figure out and get angry about things or see something and get really scared of it and worry.
01:01:02
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I don't know. I just think if you kind of let go, meditate, sit with yourself for a minute, it makes all of those things not really matter. So back to your question about the evil in the world. I think all of that evil is controlled by whatever you want to call it, the devil. I don't know. I don't have a name for that. But that is what is an outside influence and God is an internal influence that's inside all of us. So it's kind of up to us whether or not we let those outside influences affect us or not.
01:01:29
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Yeah, it's the push and pull. It's the inherent duality of everything in nature, and that's probably a macro level. You have whatever people call the devil or the adversary or the antagonist, and then you have the protagonist, and that would be God or Jesus or whatever. These are all just abstract ideas for most people. I think people know what we're talking about when we talk about that because everybody feels that.
01:01:52
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when something stupid happens and you blow up about it. And then you're like later, like that was so stupid. Why did I get so mad about something so retarded? So you know, everybody recognizes it, but it's usually in hindsight. Oh yeah, for sure. And it's like, uh, Michael Tesarian says, evil is not the only force at work in the universe. No, it can't be. Cause I think everything would be destroyed if it was. Yeah.
01:02:19
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But it also can't be the only thing because it has to have a polar opposite. So there has to be good. If you see the evil, then there has to be an exact opposite of that in the other direction.
01:02:29
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Yeah, when you look at nature, because, okay, I know humans, if we just look at civilization and what we've created, these cities and what goes on in the cities, that looks very divorced from reality. But if you look at nature, actually, there is very little evil in just nature. If you look in the jungle, yes, there's violence, yes, there's murder, or not murder, but killing.
01:02:55
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There is rotting, there is death. But that is a part of the balance of life and death, that cycle of life and death. The trees eat the dead things that get absorbed into the ground. And then the animals eat the trees and the animals eat each other. It's a big, beautiful cycle. But for some reason, if you introduce
01:03:20
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humans into the equation, then it seems to get imbalanced. And I'm not, I'm not, I think the matrix, as much as it had clues, it also had a lot of quote unquote, not that it's not the right word I'm using, but misinformation, or they planted the wrong seeds, like humanity's a virus, you know, this other stuff, or like the fact that a lot of people, a lot of younger guys that have, that grew up with a lot of TV and video games and stuff,
01:03:48
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They genuinely believe it could be a simulation like in The Matrix, that kind of way, which obviously is, I think it's possible, but I believe highly improbable. So not sure where I was going with that, but I love, you guys are super philosophical. I love talking shit like this with people. Love it. Yeah, it's just, it comes naturally. So half of the, I mean, if we recorded all of our conversations, that would be,
01:04:15
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thousands of hours worth of podcasts, but I just can't sit in front of a mic for that long. So we just do it out by, uh, the fireplace. When we don't have a mic in our face, when it's late at night, you know, when we're just like talking, not that it's hard right now or anything, but it's just when you're just shooting the shit.
01:04:32
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You can just get those lapel mics. I actually got one. I'm going to be testing it out this week to see, because I'm too lazy to come up here now to record. So I'm like, I need to just be able to like record when I'm walking the dog or like when I'm downstairs reading a book. These lapel mics seem to be pretty awesome, but God, I forgot what I was talking about. I was going to say something else. This was just some preamble.
01:04:56
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I love I love what you're talking about with the no evil in nature. It's just it just is that it's just a cycle and it just repeats but there's no like bad intentions. I don't think a lion has an evil intention when it kills a gazelle. It's just doing what a lion does. It's eating it because it needs to survive and then it poops and then that feeds the trees like you said and then the rotting corpse decomposes and the vultures eat it and then it goes back into the ground and comes back up through the trees and
01:05:24
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then the birds eat the fruit and then the other things eat the birds and it just keeps going like that. Whether humanity is a virus or not, sometimes it looks like it. When you look at Tokyo or something, it looks like a cancer cell. It's like, what did this look like before all that? It looks like a giant metastasized tumor that's just spreading out everywhere. It's not to say it's bad, that is what it is too, but there's a lot more evil in that place or in LA or New York than there is in the Amazon.
01:05:52
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Yeah. Maybe more violence too. I think it has to do also with bringing a lot of people together. You know, like when you're in an elevator with a bunch of people or if someone is directly facing you, like you get these stress hormones rising. So when you, this is my kind of theory, I guess, when you cramp a lot of people into these cities, like we've been herded into them,
01:06:18
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like cattle for decades now I think it's and then you know people get stuck in traffic and you're stuck in traffic and people get pissed off so there's much more reasons to get pissed off when you're in the city whereas if you're outside
01:06:35
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of the city like in the suburbs even or in like on a homestead or in the wherever like you walk and like what's there to piss you off? Oh, is it the bird singing or is it like like what's there? Is it no animal is cutting you off or flipping you the bird or you know what I mean? Like there's like just these interesting scents and smells and like maybe a waterfall. You know what I mean? Like there's just much fewer reasons to get pissed off, I believe.
01:07:04
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Yeah, it's like I heard somebody say a long time ago that humans weren't meant to live on top of each other. And that's exactly what it is in most cities. They're crammed together like sardines in these big buildings. And it's just it's just all bad. We're I don't think we were meant to live like that at all. And not everyone's cut out to live in the woods and homestead either. So there is a distinction there. But. Oh, shit, we lose you. No, I'm here. I'm here. I hear you.
01:07:29
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Okay. Oh, there we go. Yeah, totally agree, man. I think this whole urbanization thing is just another thing that we have to, I suppose.
01:07:43
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See, it's like if it didn't, like what you were saying earlier, Jen, if it hadn't happened, would we have appreciated living in villages and like in small towns? Like my grannies lived back in, when they were kids, they lived in villages and they were all growing. Literally, there was no stores, they were all growing their food. That was two generations ago, you know?
01:08:09
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Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I would love to be able to do that and teach our kids to do that. And not not to say they have to do that, but just so that they know how to do it. Yeah, and there's I mean, there's places that exists like that to this day, and they're probably way the fuck happier than somebody living in the middle of Dallas or something, you know, like
01:08:27
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I can't even imagine living in the middle of that kind of a city. Like Jen's lived in places like that. And I visit those places and I'm like, nope, not doing this. I grew up on the East coast in Boston and I've lived in Chicago and then now I live here in like the mountains. It's absolutely gorgeous. There's no traffic. Like traffic doesn't even exist out here. When Joe's like, oh, there's traffic. I'm like, oh, you mean you have to wait for 30 seconds?
01:08:51
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I'm used to two hours, dude. That's not traffic. Sorry. It's beautiful though. But yeah, I don't know. I think we should all just be happier with what we have and not, you know, if you do live in Dallas in a city, be happy about that. Be okay with that. Or if you're not going to make a change, you know, if you're going to make a change, work towards that. But if you're going to live there forever, your family's there, you have a house there, whatever.
01:09:15
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be excited about that look around about at things that you like about where you are right now instead of looking at what you don't have or what you could have or what you want to have you can have those dreams and those goals but don't be angry about your current situation you know try to find appreciation like you said like in the forest you can do that in a city to try to find some things that you know you can be appreciative of
01:09:37
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Well, and to bring it full circle to the solutions, even you said you live in an apartment, there are solutions for growing your own food indoors. It's hydroponic net pots. Uh, listeners can Google that. I don't have them myself because I have enough room to grow shit in the dirt, but, uh,
01:09:53
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You can it's possible to do and you can get in basically never ending supply of lettuce and other other types of plants like that and it's just a starting point to something you can start doing and it costs pennies to grow this stuff you buy this little solution mix and it grows in water and it's it's just hung on your wall and it just grows in.
01:10:11
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So there are ways you can do that kind of stuff, even in an apartment. So don't let living in a small space stop you from trying that stuff. Absolutely. Because the value is like what you said earlier, the value is in the learning. And then you learn a few bits and pieces, then you can scale it if needs be. I have a bunch of Kratky hydroponic systems here.
01:10:32
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The first half of the year, I was growing a lot of stuff. I even grew, so what did I grow here? Just next to me here, I grew lettuces, a few other things. What the hell? Like a pepper plant, a bunch of other stuff on there. It's fun, man. It's fun to, you put this fertilizer, water and a light and like,
01:10:54
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Like life finds a way and it grows. It's amazing. There's other ones too that are really interesting. I saw on my delivery route the other day, some people in apartments will have these bags that hang from their front door and they have these little pockets in it. And it's kind of like a, what do you call those bags? Like a
01:11:13
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like burlap burlap it's like a burlap type thing but they have these little pockets in them and they plant plants in all these little pockets on their front door and they have this huge garden growing off their front door it looks wild but it works and they grow huge tomatoes and shit out of them yeah so there's ways around everything
01:11:31
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I'll tell you after we finish recording about my other... Anyway, let the folks know where they can find you on the internet and for sure, guys, thank you so much. First of all, let me just thank you for coming on. We'll definitely have you on again in the future to philosophize on all things worldly. But as we wrap up, please tell the listeners where they can find you on the internet.
01:11:56
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Well, our main video channel is rockvin.com slash legit bat. And you can find us on any audio podcasts as well. We do put it shows on YouTube, but they're out a week later. Um, and then Instagram at legit bat. And that's, that's pretty much it. Did I miss it? Oh, telegram telegram. Yeah. I have the telegram that's in the link tree. That's in the Instagram. Yeah. I'll send you the link tree. It has all of our stuff. I have it. I have it. I'll stick it in there. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Of course, dude. Thanks.