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Shakespeare In Love
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It's a step back in time for Emma & Katie's first episode of 2025! Tune in as Katie gives a thoughtful informed history of Theatre in Elizabethan England and how it relates to this 1998 classic.....and hear Emma give every American Girl Doll fact you did not know you needed that is NOT related to this film. Happy New Year Friends!
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Moral Dilemma in Gaming: To Kill or Not to Kill?
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ah charlie
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I mean I'm famous like my in a there's a video game called Elden Ring um and I I have played like hundreds of hours of that game and I've never killed an animal that didn't attack me first.
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Yeah. Oh, nice. Which isn't exactly pacifism, but, you know, like, you know, I like to think that my character in that game, ah despite the the God slaying that she does, she doesn't she's not going to kill a rabbit. Like, why would you do that? Yeah, exactly. You have you bring in some morality into it. I think so. And it's going to pay off in the end.
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And I was talking, who was I talking to? Oh, I was talking to to Luke about it. He said, well, how do you get ah arrows for your bow and arrow? Cause like you kill a rabbit and like you use their bones to make red arrows and or whatever, or a deer or whatever. Like you could just buy them. Like, come on. You just buy them as is.
New York City Holiday Adventure
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Do you want to hear where, ah what the third circle of hell is? What's the third circle of hell?
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uh the american girl doll store and 30 rock the oh my god you went to the one in new york yeah the week between christmas and new year's Oh my god, yeah, I can imagine. I mean, i maybe, I don't know, maybe I thought you were in Boston or something. I guess Hartford doesn't have an American Girl in the Ball Store, does it? Nope, nope. We went to New York because ah my sister-in-law and- It's in 30 Rock too, I didn't realize that. Yeah, it's at 30 Rock. It's around the corner from the Nintendo store and the Lego store, which had a giant line outside of it to which Charlie was like, we are not going in the Lego store. But it was after Christmas?
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Yeah, it was after Christmas, but it was still chaos. like yeah yeah you Oh my gosh, like you know the end of Drop Dead Gorgeous when everyone is just like, running ragged and destroying things and there's people crying. and yeah yeah That's what it was like, but with children that only go up to your knee. Yeah, and are probably affluent.
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Yes. Oh, my God. So many yeah affluent like children just crying and like making a big deal. And it was it it was hell. But I still got my merch. We should say that you did have you did bring a child to this. like I did. Yeah, I didn't just go. But you should have seen the line for like the doll salon and for the cafe. like I felt so bad for these employees yeah who just looked shell shocked.
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That's all, yeah, because Christmas is over and like, so the war is over, but like the the aftershocks are still. Well, it was still Hanukkah. Oh, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So Hanukkah started on Christmas day, right? Yeah, it was a lot of people celebrating Hanukkah. Yeah. ah And ah their moms all had designer handbags. Well, obviously. And because this was New York City and it was Manhattan and everyone's shoving everyone and. God.
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And like the line for the bathroom was chaos because it wasn't a line because it was like one family. Oh, Katie. Like it was like one family. And because New York City like,
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you have to know specific places to go to the bathroom. Because- Obviously, yeah. Obviously, not all restaurants. The Barnes and Noble and Union Square. The Barnes and Noble, there's an excellent Instagrammer who has all the places that you need to know where you can go to the bathroom for free. Because a lot of diners and restaurants and eatery places won't have bathrooms. No, they don't have to, yeah. Yeah, they don't have to. So why would they do that to themselves?
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So the American Girl Doll store is one of those places that you can go to the bathroom. And wow and it's right in, it's it's in 30 Rock, so it's right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right there. And so there was like a family and- It's not on park. It's 30 Rock on park. ah It's by park. It's like, it's by fifth. Yeah, it's a little bit, it's east of Midtown, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like 51st and Well, I mean, it's still mid to, you know what I mean, yeah. Madison, I wanna say, yeah. Oh, Madison. Look at us. yeah We sound so New York. I haven't been to New York in a decade. Who are we, Katie? Uh-huh. New York City, it's crowded, always.
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always.
Cultural Exchange: British vs. American Kids' TV Shows
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um But yeah, so it was just it was chaos. That's long, the long and short of it was it was just gas. And luckily, I had to go to my read through for this play that I'm doing. And so I, I, I pieced out early. But Charlie walked Hannah and the twins to Central Park, and he accidentally took them down Fifth Avenue. And he said that it was another circle of hell.
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Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. I used to work, I used to work on Park. Oh, nice. Park and 50 something, I don't remember. I was close to there. Yeah, yeah, it's rough. It's a hard time. Especially during the holidays, yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we're not talking about any of that. No, we're not. But British people,
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highly and notoriously featured in today's film. That's true. And and you were you spent Christmas with a bunch of British people, yeah. I did. I spent Christmas with a bunch of British people, two 10-year-olds, and their mother. Oh, are they twins? They're twins. Oh, I think I forgot that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're twins, and they are so sweet and lovely and adorable and fantastic.
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But they are two sides of the same coin. So I like to say Patrick is really book smart, not really people smart. Rosalie is really people smart, not so much book smart. So they just sort of like even each other out. And it's very sweet. um But they also are 10. And so all they want to do is sit on the couch and play with their switch or watch iCarly.
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Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, iCarly, okay, yeah. Yeah, Rosalie watched all- 20 year old television program at this point, yeah. Right, she watched all of iCarly and then a lot of Kath and I don't, Kath and- That's the one with Ariana Grande.
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Yeah, yeah, the one with Ariana Grande. And then I was like, why don't we watch something that Auntie Emma can also watch? Have you ever watched Sabrina the Teenage Witch? And she was like, no, I've never. And so then I got her hooked on Sabrina the Teenage Witch and I couldn't stop watching. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, it was really nice. What is that on Disney Plus or something? It's on Hulu. OK. You can watch all of Sabrina. Yeah. There you go. How does that hold up?
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Actually, surprisingly well. And it's very fun to watch Paul Feig as an actor, because he's the science teacher in season one. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah. um I mean, there is a massive lack of diversity in the first season. Right. Yeah, yeah. um And I forgot Penn and Teller are heavy players. Oh, really? Yeah.
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Whichever one of them is the talking one. That's Penn. That's Penn. He has a whole character. He has like a whole like thing with Aunt Hilda. Like it's he's like the head of like The Witches Council. OK, yeah, that makes sense. I like Penn and Teller. Yeah, they're pretty fun. That guy has become a lot less annoying after Covid.
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He had like, well, he was like a big like libertarian, um like, ah and like that he had a lot of like wild beliefs and COVID really kind of like sobered him up and he was like, I was wrong about a lot of this stuff. I'm like, good for you. Good, good for you. Yeah. Ken, how was your holiday?
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Oh, it was nice, yeah. um Just the two of us. Like ah like I said, Caitlin's mom was supposed to come in town, and she ended up getting sick. Well, she was supposed to come in town on the 28th and spend New Year's with us, but she she ended up getting sick and staying home in Virginia. And we are going to go see my mom in January in Tennessee. And then it seems like about three days after we get back, Caitlin's mom is going to come here. So we're going to have a a wow ah January of moms, which That'll be mom you wary. Yeah, mom you wary. My mom who doesn't know what a podcast is, but just in case she stumbled upon this one. Hi, mom. Should we theme the movies that we do in January then for mom movies?
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I don't think so. I have I now have about 55 minutes to think of what but my pick is going to be because I didn't even think about it once at all. It's your pick. And that's an
Exploring 'Shakespeare in Love'
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excellent segue. That's right, folks. We are, of course, talking about that's right, folks. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie live in um medieval England, Renaissance England, Tudor England. Where one of them is a playwright and one of them is an actor. ah yeah Yeah, or an aspiring actor, but isn't allowed on stage because of yeah her gender. um Because bitches be tripping. That's true.
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um and the The bitch in this in this case is Queen Elizabeth II, I believe. Yep, yep, Queen Elizabeth II who- No, the first, Queen Elizabeth I. Oh yeah, Queen Elizabeth, that would have been a very different film. um And they do some things historically, right? And they have a lot of Easter eggs, but mostly they just have a sexy, sexy time. That's right, folks, we're of course talking about Shakespeare in Love. And this is Go Get Your Girl. My name's Emma. I'm Katie. And yeah, Shakespeare in Love, 1998, directed by John Madden, the football coach, who is most known for his series of video games. ah No, it's a different John Madden. oh yeah I was like, hold the phone, Katie. Are you serious?
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Um, he is, uh, he's a British director and whose name happens to be the same, uh, as a famous, uh, football coach who's now more famous for a video game that bros play. Um, and he also directed a bunch of like this, he directed this movie and then Nothing else good, like that that happens a lot with this movie. This movie won best picture, it won best actress. It's an amazing film. i Every time I watch it, I'm just like, oh yeah, I fricking love this movie. He made the best exotic marigold marigold hotel, which is good, it's fine. Yeah, holds up a lot with ah the boomer generation. Sure, yeah. It's got, you know, it's Judi Dench and... um
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um
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some other people, Maggie Smith and- The guy who played Gandhi. ah Ben Kingsley and the yeah the the woman who was the prime minister on Doctor Who. um She was in a video watch recently. I can never think of her name. Neither can I. He also directed, but he directed Captain Corelli's Mandalin, which was a ah massive failure um and a bunch of other kind of embarrassing- Also nominated for some random Oscars.
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It's possible just because of like the pedigree. It was Nicholas Cage, um like World War II movie, I think. yeah um Based on like a famous book. And I just remember it being um like a punchline. Not great.
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i Yeah, 2001.
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about the thousands of Italian soldiers executed at the massacre of the Aki Division in September, 1943. Nicholas Cage and Penelope Cruz. Well, that just sounds like a barrel of laughs. Yeah, 28% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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i Yeah, no. No, it was not nominated for any Oscars, it seems. then I was wrong, I was very wrong. um I guess I just remember the poster in the movie store. Yeah, at the movie store. um The movie store. Oh my God, Katie, I forgot to tell you. Side segue. So we went to the American Girl Dolls store, right? Right. So my niece the entire week was trying to decide what American Girl Doll she wants.
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And I'm like, do you want Addy? Addy was my first one. She's like, well, who's Addy? And I was like, she was the runaway slave. Get Addy. And she's like, no, I don't think I want Addy. She sounds boring. um I want this- Problematic, Rosalie. Right. I want this other historical doll, Nicky. Guess when Nicky is from? The 2000s.
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1999, Katie, historic 1999. I remember seeing like the ad. I remember seeing her on like Twitter or something like people melting down. Yeah. I bought her a new book about Nikki and Isabelle. They're twins. It was 26 years ago. That was like, you know, when we were kids, that was like the, you know, the 70s or even in the 60s. Like, you know, absolutely insane. But it does seem like 1999 is less of a historic era than the 60s, you know, like.
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But I guess like the book has like a lot about the Y2K fear, and computers, and the internet coming around. Yeah, but that's not like the Vietnam War, you know like or or or slavery, yeah or yeah yeah the Great Depression. Or or slavery, like Addie, who survived slavery. Yeah.
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She's my girl. She was my first American Girl Doll. Or Felicity, who survived the Revolutionary War. Or Kit Kitteridge. Who survived the Depression. and Yeah, the Depression. yeah Yeah, she survived, I can tell you about each and every American Girl Doll. Because... Welcome to our new podcast. American Girl Doll. American Girl Dolls Dolls. American Girl Cast.
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Yeah, American Girl Cast. So you've got Felicity, who's from the Revolutionary War. You've got Kirsten, who moved from Sweden to Minnesota. Yeah. And she like didn't know English and stuff. And so that was hard.
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And she had to like live on the prairie. That's also really hard. um And then you've got Josefina, who is ah lives in New Mexico. And ah then you've got you've got Addie, who's our runaway slave. You've got Molly, who lives during World War II. Her dad's a prisoner of war. and And she has to deal with rations and stuff during 1944.
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um And then Nikki has a gateway computer that came in a cow box. Yeah, and an inflatable chair. And listens to Sugar Ray. Right. Right. You've got Kitteridge, who lives during the Depression. Her dad loses her job. And all she wants to do is be a newspaper reporter. Reporter. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um And I think that's all. Am I missing anyone? Oh, and then you've got And then you got Samantha. Samantha's a little bit of a wah wah wah. Because she lives in 1904.
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And her whole thing is that she's orphaned and she has to live with her rich grandmother in upstate New York. Yeah, in upstate New York. And she's like super rich and she's got some poor friends. Oh no, not poor friends. Yeah, that's all I remember about Samantha.
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So yeah, that's your classic American Girl Balls. Yeah. ah Melody is the one from the 60s. Yes, there is one from the 60s. Yeah, she's got a little pillbox hat. Yep, and then there's also Claudie, who they introduced, who's from the 20s and lives, I believe, in New Orleans during the jazz Renaissance. Hell yeah. um And then they also got Kaya, who is the indigenous American doll. Oh, right, yeah.
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Yeah, because for some reason they didn't think when American Girl Dolls, they didn't try to think of the OG. A lot of hand gesturing going on, for those of you listening to know.
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Yeah. And then they've also got Julie, who's from the 70s. And then they've got... I should point out that this is all off the top of Emma's head and she is not looking any of this up.
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I am, I was obsessed with American Girl dolls growing up and I am in my thirties and leaning back. Yeah. What was just doing a lot of work there and that's in it. I, my mom has all of my American Girl dolls still in a box in the basement and I have decided I'm slowly multiples. Yeah. I had, I had like six.
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Hmm. I had I had the beating the allegations today. I had the OG crew. I had Felicity. I had Addie, Felicity, Molly, Kit, Josefina. Samantha was my sister's, but then I was gifted it when she was too old for dolls and Kirsten. OK, yeah. So I had seven. That's a lot. It's a lot of American girls. Yeah. I had a lot of furniture and clothes for them, too. Uh huh.
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is um love
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So, I mean, that's the thing about, like, like see, it's it's like when I watch, like, you know, Gilmore Girls or something like that, and I see, like, an obnoxious little girl, um like, like Rory, I'm like, you know, or, or no, no, it's put not like working at Starbucks and, like, these little high school kids come in and they, like, sit around and they hang out for hours. I'm like, I did exactly that same thing when I was there. i just Like, when I was in in high school, I could walk to the Starbucks from from school and we would hang out there for hours and we were so obnoxious, I'm sure, and now it's being revisited upon me.
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You know, those it all little rich those little rich girls in at the American Girl Doll Store. That's you, Emma. That was me. Except I would have been in the cafe having tea. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. With the dolls. With the dolls. For my 10th birthday before the American Girl Doll Store. You've told this story on this podcast before. About how how I went to tea before the American Girl Doll Store was built in Chicago, so we went to the Drake instead because it was the next best thing. Oh, no, no, no, the story about where you went to New York. Oh, no, no, no. The American Girl, but we're still. For my 10th birthday, my very memorable 10th birthday, my mom and my friends and I all went to the Drake Hotel with our American Girl dolls and we had tea. That's very cute. That's very cute. It was very adorable. Anyway, Shakespeare in Love. 20 minutes in. Yeah.
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Lots to talk about. Shakespeare in Love is a comedy drama set in. I think it's a rom-com. Yeah, I know it is, it is. It's a romantic comedy drama set in. It's hard to call it a comedy because they don't end up together at the end. Yeah, but there's so many funny parts. Totally laughed out loud. This is the first movie that we've watched where they don't end up together at the end? I think it might be. I think it might be.
Historical Context: Women in Elizabethan Theatre
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Yeah. Breaking the new ground. Yeah. There's other movies that we have watched where like the couple that we wanted didn't end up together, AKA happiest season. ah Oh, well, sure. Yeah. But the protagonists end up together. Yeah. Yeah. The protagonist. Despite one of the protagonists being terrible in that movie. I love you, Mackenzie Davis. Please forgive me. You've never done anything wrong in your life. It's not her fault.
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Not her fault. But yeah, this is the first one where they don't end up together, but they will always be in love. Yeah. And also he has a wife. um So 1593, Shakespeare is 29 years old. um This is London. Yeah. Hashtag this is London, baby. With all the pigs and geese and poop and dirt.
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Lots of poop. um And it says on the screen that there are, you know, there's like a little intro. It's like, um there are two theater, major theaters in London, the Curtain Theater and The Rose. The Curtain Theater is um run by the famous actor, Richard Burbage. And The Rose is run by Philip Henslow. And Philip Henslow is the great Jeffrey Rush, who is so good in this movie.
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oh my god And the first thing we see is Tom Wilkinson holding his boots to the fire because he owes him money. And I love Tom Wilkinson's arc in this movie. He's so good. Is he a money lender? Is that what he usually is? Yeah, I think he's a money lender.
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Yeah. Yeah. um And so Jeffrey Rush convinces him that his shake Shakespeare, who is unknown quantity, but not super famous at this point, yeah um has written a new play and they can make the money to pay him back. And it's called Romeo and Ethel the Pirate's Daughter. um Terrible title.
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And Tom Wilkinson agrees, and he will finance this this play and he will you know so he can get paid back ah for the money that Jeffrey Rush owes him. Yes, yes. And so that's kind of the ah the the crux of this whole thing. And so Tom Wilkinson's arc is falling in love with theater um over the course of this because like he because he's there in rehearsals because he wants to make sure that his like um investment is is paid properly and ah Shakespeare gives him a part as yeah the apothecary and then he gets like so into it.
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He's like, I've got a hat. I have a hat that I've seen some Apothecaries wear. It's the blue silk hat. And then he even like brings it up. He's like, do you think this hat's good? Yeah. And like it's just it's one of the beauties of of of theater. And and especially, like i mean I know this is different, but community theater now like operates a lot in a lot of the ways that the like professional theater then worked.
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um It's these these people who have never acted before and like they can they can find something um doing that. And it can really, I think that theater can change people's lives and especially their hearts. And it does for Mr. Penny Dunn or something like that, or whatever Tom Robinson's name is. yeah um And it's very cute.
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It's so cute. It's very, very sweet. And he like gets so excited about his lines and so much so that he like whenever they get to his scene in Romeo and Juliet, um he's like cutting off Romeo because he's just like so just like lies lines, lines, lines. It's very cute. It's very sweet. um My first note in here is because in that scene you get Jeffrey Rush explaining like how the investment's going to be spread. and um And they're talking about it and they go, you know, well, we've got to pay the writer and the actors and we've got to pay like all the things. And what's his name is like, um ah well, it'll just be a share of the profits. And Jeffrey Rush is like, well, there's never any profits. He goes, there you go.
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And I was like, theater has not changed. No, it really hasn't. It really has. There's a lot of things like that. Later on, um one of my favorite lines from the the the play is jeffrey ra the movie, Jeffrey Rush says, the natural condition of the theater is that of insurmountable obstacles on the road to imminent disaster. um Somehow it all works out. And Tom Wilkinson goes, how? I don't know. It's a mystery. It's a mystery.
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which is like his, a line that comes up three times. um Also, we forgot to say who wrote this movie. um It was originally a script by a man named Mark Norman, um who does not have many credits to his name. he He did a rewrite on Cutthroat Island, which was like the biggest flop movie before Waterworld. um And then and then um and then ah the second screenplay credit, ah so rewritten by Tom Stoppard.
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the famous playwright. um He's written, he wrote a few movies as well. um He wrote Brazil and he wrote Anna Karenina, the um but what's his name? ah Atonement and Pride and Prejudice. Joe Wright, Joe Wright's Anna Karenina.
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um But mostly he wrote, um play he wrote Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, um ah Arcadia, The Real Thing, The Coast of Utopia, um very famous um playwright, and Turf. So yeah, good for him. ah What a piece of shit.
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But he wrote this he wrote this screenplay. ah Which is great. This screenplay is so great. I always forget how fucking funny this movie is. And it's just like, muah, chef's kiss every single little moment. they just They make it so accessible, but also they put in so many Easter eggs for theater nerds. And it's and then there's also like romance. And it's just like, it's it's honestly, it is the whole package.
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yeah Yeah, it is. It's ah it's a great movie. um It won Best Picture and Best Actress for Gwyneth Paltrow and then a but and Best Supporting Actress for Judi Dench, yeah who famously only has like 10 lines in the whole movie or something. yeah um And then a bunch of like costumes and and art direction and and makeup and stuff, because it's an Elizabethan era movie, and that's what wins costume Oscars, um time sometimes to to other movies detriment.
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um Are you speaking of a specific movie? Yeah. I mean, like, I think there's a lot of times there's a movie where it's like, man, the costumes that maybe were great, but it's like contemporary. So it'll never get nominated for Oscars. I did have an example, but it's just left my mind. Gotcha. Like in anyway.
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um So and yes, it certainly wasn't La La Land.
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yeah which deserved zero Oscars. um The well, I mean, yeah, sure. The costumes and the cinematography in Lao Land are good. Sure. I'll give it that. um Yeah, there's little bits of plays and stuff like he'll hear something and like things that like, you know, as like a ah Shakespeare person know is eventually a Shakespeare line like he pulls out like the the the one that they draw attention to is um the ah a um a Puritan screaming a plague on both their houses, which he of course puts into the play. But there's little bits and stuff of of things like that. There's also like what I think we should start calling the, um, the Rob Reiner's mom fact. There's like, because like, Oh, Briner's mom fact.
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Cause like everybody knows that Rob Reiner's mom plays the woman who says, I'll have what she's having. that's That's like one of those facts that it's like a fun fact that everyone knows, right? So I think that we have, in this movie there's um John Webster. So the little, the little shit, the little kid who ruins everything. Yeah.
00:29:43
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He was obsessed with violence, and he was in Titus Andronicus. yeah And it's just like, I was in, I got my ass cut off in Titus Andronicus. Okay, so he he says he likes things with plenty of blood, and his name is John Webster, and he's feeding a mouse to a cat. um And then later he ruins everything. But John Webster was, um you know, after Shakespeare's time, the the Jacobean playwrights wrote lots of plays of um full of blood and violence and that's so that's who he is he's a he's a famous playwright later who wrote a bunch of gory uh the revenger's tragedy i think is strong webster that might be ben johnson yeah um the something of madolfi no revenger's tragedy is thomas middletown i'm way off um uh the duchess of molfi and the white devil yeah um yeah
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It was, um yeah, it was a different, the Jacobians were the after the Elizabethans. um That was a very different um era for English plays. So yes, and then there's a bunch of other people that show up, but the main plot of this is that Shakespeare has lost his, his um mojo basically yeah and he says that he he can't experience love so he has to in order to write love he needs to experience love and um through a series of events he meets uh viola de lesseps um who is played by gwyneth matro yep who is a woman in elizabethan england and
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Times be rough for girls,
Gender and Marriage in Tudor England
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man. yeah yeah they are it is Her whole like B-plot is that she is ah basically no better than cattle to her dad.
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Oh, correct, yes, yes. I mean, um a mule ah with a rubies in her saddlebag is how her father describes her to Colin Firth, yeahp the the Duke of Wessex, who's a real piece of shit who buys her from him. Who buys her from him. And um like the whole conversation at the ball when they're talking to each other and like arranging this, it's so like gross. Because it's just like, will she breed?
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Yeah, yeah. if she does And then the dad is like, she should, but if she doesn't, you can send her back. Yeah, exactly. And he is a um he has a um like a tobacco plantation in Virginia, and he's going to move there. ah get ah Get married and move there, because he's broke, and he needs to get out of London and back to America, where he has investments and a potential for making money.
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um And he needs the queen's approval on a wife. So she has to do that, but she obviously doesn't want to do that. She's in love with theater and specifically the words of Shakespeare and wants to be an actor, which is not allowed.
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in Elizabethan England and hard for bitches because ah boys played women's parts on the English stage for um throughout Elizabeth's reign and and after and afterward. um it was um It wasn't until the restoration. So there was the English Civil War where The Puritans took over Oliver Cromwell and these extremely religious assholes, took over England for a while and they kicked out the king and queen. But they were so terrible that they decided to bring back the king, Charles II, who had been in France. And when he was in France, because France was more civilized than England, and remains so, they had women... Tell them that to Charles.
00:33:32
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they had women on stage in France at that time. And Charles II was a big lover of theater. And when he got back, when he was restored to the crown of England, he was like, women on stage playing women's parts. Which I think is so interesting that it it took a man to make that decision. When Queen Elizabeth, I mean, she even says in this movie, like, she's like, I know something a little bit about um being a woman in a man's role. Like, yeah I just don't understand which is pretty woke of fictional Elizabeth II, who in real life, I think, had nothing of that in her personality. No, no. um But like... Judy Dench makes Queen Elizabeth slightly likable in this movie, which is... Yeah, ever so slightly. A stretch.
00:34:17
Speaker
yeah She's still... relatively unlikely. The first time you see Queen Elizabeth, she's coughing during a play at her palace in Greenwich and Shakespeare is backstage and he has that line which is just like, oh great, oh great, you know, I write all these beautiful lines, why don't we just go and cough through it?
00:34:44
Speaker
um It's great. It's it's very great um But yeah, I just just don't understand like and I mean like I guess it was the time but if you have a queen Like why does it seem so unacceptable to have women on stage? Like I don't understand that Well, it was whorish, I think is the main thing. Like it's unacceptable. I mean, cause part of the, and part of the big thing that happened once women were on stage was breeches roles, right? Where a woman would dress up like a man and and would so you'd see the shape of the woman's leg, legs and breeches, which was very sexy and risque.
00:35:23
Speaker
um So because again, like i being a sex worker and being an actor are pretty along the same lines in terms of um of ah the cultural hierarchy, the class system in um and England and and and all of Europe really. um Not much has changed. I mean,
00:35:48
Speaker
so um So yeah, it's actually an interesting story. um The first woman on stage officially in England, um her name, and I wrote it down here, was Margaret Hughes, and she was in desdema she was Desdemona in Othello in 1660. And it wasn't until a couple of years after that that the king ordered that all women's parts needed to be played by women on on the English stages. And there's a movie about her called Stage Beauty,
00:36:17
Speaker
um which we should totally cover in this. It's not really a comedy, but it is romantic. It's um Claire Danes plays Margaret Hughes. Have you not seen it? I have not seen it. I've seen the poster, but I've not seen it. Yeah, it's good it's cute, yeah. Yeah, yeah, amazing.
00:36:35
Speaker
um Fantastic. Well, I will say that in this fictional film, Gwyneth Peltrow crushes it. Oh, she's great. Yeah, she's great. I mean, Gwyneth Paltrow, um especially at this yeah and in this in this time, like she had like a run of just incredible um performances. and then she And she kind of disappeared. and She got weird. She got rich and weird. Yeah, yeah rich and weird. I mean, she was always rich. She's so she's a Nepo baby. She's a Nepo baby. Yeah. But um that brings me to the first of Emma's Fun Facts. Emma's Fun Facts. So Gwyneth Paltrow, obviously in this movie. ah But we do also get, we get one American actor or another American actor.
00:37:24
Speaker
ah Mr. Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck, yeah. Playing um um Edward Allen, yeah. Yeah. Famous actor and director of the Elizabethan era, yeah. Yeah, and to which Charlie Turner meeting went, is this when was Ben Affleck big at this point? I was like, yes, this is the height of Ben Affleck.
00:37:43
Speaker
Yeah, he had just won an Oscar for Good Will Hunting the year before. Yeah, um the reason he took this role to be in this movie was because he and with Peltier were dating at the time. That's right, yeah. And he wanted to be close to his girlfriend. So why not get hired? Ben Affleck, famously a lover. Throughout his entire life, he's just making decisions based on on his heart.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah. Usually for the worst. I have it in my soul that there is a hope that him and um and ah jennifer garner Jennifer Garner will get back together one day. I feel like she deserves better than that. The thing about like Cause I mean, I think that they, ah again, I don't, I don't really know but much about celebrities. Um, I don't try to, I don't, I don't like keep up with that kind of stuff, but like, I know that they have like a good relationship and I know that like he goes and stays at her house when he's in between marriages to Jennifer Lopez and stuff.
00:38:50
Speaker
and They were married for a long time and and were relatively relatively stable. um I remember there's um there was some joke in a sitcom or something. It's like, but I feel like a Jennifer Garner. they They got that figured out. um And they didn't. No, they did not. ah But I think that he's he's probably a hard person to to live with. And I think he's got some, you know. As most actors are. Substance issues and things like that as well. so Wow. He was great in this movie.
00:39:22
Speaker
He is he iss good in this movie, yeah. yeah um Lots of, like Simon Callow is in this movie as well. um you know Colin Firth, Jim Cooper, Mr. Bates from dun Downton Abbey. And his wife, his real life wife is in this. Oh, ah it's Imelda Staunton. It's Imelda Staunton. Yeah, yeah. He's the nurse. and And he plays the nurse in Romeo and Juliet. Oh, that's cute. Yeah, I forget that they're married, yeah. um And then Rupert Everett famously is Christopher Marlow.
00:39:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Kit, as you might say. um Right. To which this is the first of Charlie's quarter. Charlie loved this movie. He absolutely loved this movie. Had he never seen it before? He'd never seen it before. Oh, that's surprising, yeah.
00:40:07
Speaker
Oh yeah, it's very like England sucking its own dick, I'm not surprised. Yeah, ah so he absolutely loved it. And he's also, he's from like the area where Stratford-upon-Avon is. Oh really, it's near Birmingham? I didn't realize that. ah Yeah, it's a work, sure. And um so he he very much loved this and as we're watching it and I was like explain telling him something and I look over and he's on the Wikipedia page for Christopher Marlowe because he's just like he was so interested after because basically what happens is um Shakespeare uses Christopher Marlowe's name as a ruse to call him first so that he doesn't get himself in trouble.
00:40:57
Speaker
he he yeah He crashes the party where he gets to. He dances with Viola and Colin Firth is like, I'm like, get the hell out of here. What's your name? And he's like, Christopher Marlow and they're they're rivals. Christopher Marlow was another playwright at the time who was more famous than Shakespeare at the time.
00:41:16
Speaker
yeah um and inspired a lot of Shakespeare stuff and yeah so continue. Yeah and the whole like thing is that like he like helps him out with like titles and names and he has this whole monologue about the impact that Marlowe's had on his work. Yeah but basically it is discovered later that Christopher Marlowe is killed in a brawl and Shakespeare is led to be- Well, after, well, this is, well, what happens is at the, where Viola is being inspected by the queen, she's, the queen says to Colin Firth, like her flower has been plucked since the last time I saw her, it takes a woman to know these things, which first of all- You can't tell those things. You absolutely cannot tell, even if you're the queen.
00:42:04
Speaker
get over yourself. um so He he goes like Christopher Marlowe. And he thinks that Christopher Marlowe has fucked Viola, which is true. But it's not Christopher Marlowe because they thought we pretty quickly in this movie on us. Yeah, they do. And it's sexy as hell. Just like their first dance at the ball is sexy as hell. Boy, oh boy, made me want to do a Renaissance dance.
00:42:28
Speaker
Palm to palm is holy Palmer's kiss, baby. yeah And then the little like, woo, the like lift that happens in it, it's so great, it's so great. So yeah, and so Christopher Marlow is murdered. And honestly, we don't know if Wessex killed him or not. He says he didn't.
00:42:48
Speaker
And what the official story is that, cause there's also like a lot of stuff about Christopher Marlowe in history. Like i there's, there's talk that he was a spy for the crown and he got into, I think the official story is that he was doing espionage for the crown at this bar outside of London. And he got into a fight with another spy over the bill to the, um, at the bar. And he kind of accidentally got stabbed in the eye yeah and died.
00:43:17
Speaker
Yeah, and they have a really great line about it. ah jeffrey um Because yeah Ben Affleck is explaining it because Shakespeare's all upset and he's just like, it's my fault that Christopher Marlowe is dead because of this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:43:35
Speaker
and the um Ben Affleck comes in and he goes, no, Will, actually, this is what really happened. He got into a ah fight at a pub over the bill, and jeff Jeffrey Rush goes, he's like, actors! And he goes, no, not the billing, the bill. The bill, yeah. Which also, actors, to be fair, um we've kind of skipped over the main plot of this movie. Oh, yeah! You kind of hit like all of the periphery, but what happens is,
00:44:06
Speaker
um i Viola's parents are gone for several weeks. And so she gets her nurse, Emmelda Staunton, to um to help her dress up like a boy and audition for Romeo and Ethel, the pirate's daughter, the new play that Shakespeare is writing.
00:44:24
Speaker
page by page, like heads it's like Casablanca, like they get there and then there's new pages, which is pretty page pretty much how theater mostly worked then, yeah um if you're doing a new play. um And sometimes how it works now, you know, like you definitely make changes, but hopefully you're not right, unless it's like,
00:44:42
Speaker
you know, a commission or something like that. You're hopefully not writing stuff on the fly. This is the first movie we've done about a playwright, probably, right? Yeah. This is one of the only movies about a playwright, to be fair. there was some Because I'm a playwright for those listeners who might not know that. And for those, there was this some Twitter thing going around a while ago. It's like, what's the best movie about the um about your profession? And I was like, there's no movies about my profession.
00:45:11
Speaker
and so But Shakespeare in Love is what I arrived at. ah shake very mom and Because then the thing like there are some things that it gets right. I mean, it was written by a playwright. There are some things that it definitely gets right. like The things where like you know he's stealing stuff from things other people say. and so like you know yeah I'm no Shakespeare, but so but like the preacher like saying, you know, a curse on both their houses. My my friend Allison once called me baby bitch as a um as a term of affection. And I put that into a play. So that's pretty much the same thing. Oh, nice. Nice. What play did you put it in? That's Zombie Boyfriend, the musical. Oh, nice. Baby Bitch. We should revive Zombie Boyfriend. Yeah, we would have to do a big rewrite for Zombie Boyfriend.
00:45:57
Speaker
That was my first play that was ever produced. Written with ah Chandler Davis. Hi, Chandler. Shout out Chandler Davis. Hi, Chandler. Hi. One day we're going to fix it, yeah. But um but yeah, there's there are lots of like things that are still accurate to being a playwright in this movie, even though it's 500 years ago, basically. Yeah, exactly. So we get Gwyneth Paltrow dressing up like a boy, goes and auditions, obviously crushes it at the auditions.
00:46:25
Speaker
Because well, and she's the only one who auditions with Shakespeare instead of Marlow, which is what Shakespeare gets like, like attached to immediately. He's like, these are my words. Yeah. um And so and he's like, you, I'm going to put you in the pictures. On the same.
00:46:48
Speaker
um And she is very unconvincing. Well, he chases her down um and he chases her all the way to her house, like across the river. yeah And um they're in rehearsal for like maybe, is it the next day? Like she gets like a little little beard and she gets a wig and stuff. So she looks a little bit better when she actually goes to rehearsal. But it's like maybe the second day of rehearsal, cause oh yeah.
00:47:13
Speaker
because she's pretending to be the the nurse's nephew who lives in the manor house. Yes, yeah. And he um he's like passing notes between Viola and and him through Kent, the the the boy that she's pretending to be. But he rides with her on the bus and she kisses him because they're talking about Viola. He's like, huh. And then the other guy. You called the water taxi but and the but No, I didn't. You did. Did I? Oh, OK. Well, rewind this tape. OK. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. um I'll believe you. ah On the boat and the the the the driver of the boat ah when she leaves is like, that's that's a li that's um Viola de Lesseps. That's the lady I know. She was a very unconvincing disguise.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yes, yeah, and he's just like, I'm not gonna ask questions about why she's dressed like a boy, but she's dressed like a boy. So yeah. So then he he yeah breaks into the manor, basically, and they and yells at her when she's on the balcony, you know obviously, and and and they and then they have sex immediately, which good for them. Immediately, yeah. yeah And there's that whole famous scene of him un-binding her breasts as she spins around, which was then later featured in Scary Movie 2.
00:48:37
Speaker
If you say so. It is. And that's another Emma's Fun Fact. Emma's Fun Fact.
00:48:46
Speaker
um ah Yeah, and the nurse is like in her rocking chair trying to cover the sounds. Exactly. Yeah, which is so funny. So, so funny. And and then they do the whole thing in the next morning where she he's like, oh, the cock has crowed and she goes, no, it was the owl, which is, you know, in Shakespeare. And then they call that but they call back to that one too. They underline that where he writes the scene for her.
00:49:09
Speaker
yeah which is so beautiful. And she also puts the play in, ah he gets it all written down for her, like in a little booklet. So she can have it forever and ever and ever. A folio. A folio, if you will. um And then there's this whole other thing with um ah the the the difference between um Burbage and Henslow.
00:49:37
Speaker
um so and And Simon Callow, who is the ah the master of revels or whatever, who's in charge of all the theaters in London. um And they find out that ah she's a woman. yeah And so he closes the Rose Theater. Yeah, because they do it at the theater, like idiots.
00:49:57
Speaker
Yes, yes. um Yeah, he's kissing her bubbies. Well, they can't keep their hands off each other, which is understandable, I suppose. They're doing it. And like at one point, I thought she was they were going to do it with umm nothing but the wig and mustache on. Yeah. um So Simon Callow closes the theater, and then Richard Burbage, who's played by ah probably an English actor that Charlie recognized, but I didn't.
00:50:23
Speaker
yeah um comes forward and says, okay, well, yeah I have the theater and you have the play, like this play is is good and you can do it at my theater. yeah And so they do it there. And Simon Callow has got the soldiers on the way and they're performing Romeo and Juliet. And the boy playing Juliet, his voice starts to change. yeah um So he gets kicked out and they're like, okay,
00:50:48
Speaker
Kent, you know, Gwyneth Paltrow, take off your your wig and we'll pretend you're a boy playing Juliet and I, Shakespeare, will play Romeo. So of course they play Romeo and Juliet on stage and it's so- It's so beautiful. Oh my God, it has so many moments. Have you ever acted with somebody on stage that you were in a relationship with? No, can't say that Yeah, no, I can't say that I have. Yeah, just didn't fly that way.
00:51:16
Speaker
I have a couple of times, but never like, never of of note, never like Anna in a main thing. Like I did um Much Ado About Nothing in college, and I was Margaret, the the ah the strumpet, which I think we discussed on this before. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And ah I was dating... um um What's Don Pedro? The oh the the person who who owns the the estate. um Denzel Washington, I believe, in the in the movie. If that helps listeners, yeah. So no scenes together, no like relationship whatsoever in the play. I've been in plays where you know I've either
00:52:08
Speaker
like have previously dated person directing it, or am currently married to the lighting designer. Well, that's good. Well, obviously, yes. Currently married to the lighting designer is a lot of the plays that you've been in, I think. A lot of the plays, yeah. A lot of the plays. And I directed Caitlyn in a couple of shows. Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah, Caitlyn was the lead in Zombie Boyfriend. There you go.
00:52:34
Speaker
and which Chandler and I co-wrote and co-directed. She was the musical director and I was the actual director and we wrote the play together, yeah. Nice, nice. And then I also directed her in college in ah in manuscript by Paul Grelong, which is fine, it's a fine play. It's okay. Anyways, so they crush it, it's great, and then the,
00:53:03
Speaker
Simon Callow comes in and he's like, take that woman off the stage. That's a real woman. And there's a funny line because they think that he's pointing at a nurse, which is, what's his name from Downton Abbey? Jim Carter. Jim Carter. And they go, are you sure about that? And he's like, not that woman, her. And so as he's making this grand speech to arrest everyone, the queen reveals herself.
00:53:34
Speaker
And she had been there the whole time. The whole time, nobody's noticed. She's in a black cloak and her lookalike handmaidens are also in black cloaks. And i she goes down to the stage and she goes, ah, yes. She obviously can like see that what's going on here. Well, she knows her. She knows her personally. Well, also, all we forgot something else.
00:53:56
Speaker
at that same scene with the queen, um she says that, you know, the truth of love has never been shown on stage. yeah And when Shakespeare per pretend who's dressed as ah as a serving woman at the time, yeah there's a lot of this, maybe we skipped over, it's like,
00:54:15
Speaker
um Oh no, Gwyneth Paltrow tells the Queen, like, I think you're wrong. I think that maybe it hasn't yet, but it will by William Shakespeare. And Shakespeare is there dressed as a serving woman. He's going, I'll take that bet. yeah i And he's like, I'll bet 50 pounds.
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, and so um she holds Wessex to to honor the bet there. um And so she brings that up, yeah, go ahead. How much is 50 pounds in Elizabethan money? Oh my God, a lot of money,
Film's Conclusion and Historical Inspirations
00:54:44
Speaker
a lot of money. That's like a million dollars, right? I don't know about that. um I've already got it, it's about $2,000. $2,000? I thought it was gonna be more. Well, yeah, I mean, but like things were,
00:54:57
Speaker
A pound was, was with i because there were shillings and, you know, pants and all that kind of stuff. I thought 50 pounds would be like. I'm sorry, $20,000. I'm not gonna do that. I feel like that's low. Like. $20,000, yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of frickin' money. Yeah, yeah. But it's not like, it's not enough to live on forever. You know, it's not, yeah. No, but it it is ah a pretty penny for conference to pay.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yes, yes. So um yeah so she yes the queen stops the play and what does she do? ah The Queen steps to play and she's just like, oh yes, I can see how you all might be fooled into thinking that this is actually a woman, but I can see that it's a man playing a woman wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And I know a little something about that wink, wink, nudge, nudge, because I am also a woman in a man's job. And she goes, you did an excellent job. And I think that this has lost you, Colin Firth, money.
00:55:58
Speaker
Yeah. um And then they all depart and the queen is leaving and she goes, she has this really beautiful line at the end where, I forget who asks her, but they're like, Wilson, how is this going to, how is this all going to end? She goes, as things, but as love eventually does in like pain or something like that.
00:56:21
Speaker
Well, yeah, yeah, she says um in ah in a depart in yeah in a departure um because they're married. Like, Gwyneth Paltrow married um ah Colin Firth because she had to. She didn't really have much voice. Yeah. Yeah. And she tells her, she's like, you know, tell Mr. Kent, tell Viola that, you know, she needs to so go to Virginia or whatever and give that but give that money to her. Yeah. she um gotta do She's got to do that thing.
00:56:49
Speaker
and um going to Paltrow's like yeah I guess okay and so then she goes inside and we have this heartbreaking scene between her and Shakespeare and uh as they say their goodbyes and um Shakespeare's like I'll write a play about you and you know because there's been a lot of sort of like easter eggs for Twelfth Night um because the queen commands oh and she relays a message because the queen's like tell Mr. Shakespeare a comedy next time for Twelfth Night, which was the a holiday.
00:57:22
Speaker
and And ah yeah, so i mean a lot I mean, her name is Viola, which is the name of the of the protagonist of Twelfth Night, a later play that Shakespeare wrote. And so she's like, I'm gonna get on a ship for America. um And so they have this kind of,
00:57:44
Speaker
this this idea is like okay well I'll write this play for you and I'll write this character based on you and she'll be in a ship but the ship will wreck and everyone will die except for her and so she won't be you know she'll be free um she won't have this um this horrible life that is gonna happen to her in real life um and so the play the movie kind of ends with this fantasy of her ship wrecking and her being uh free and on an island which is how Twelfth Night begins. Yeah which I always took it is that it's not necessarily a fantasy it's meant to sort of leave you as you don't know if it's reality or fantasy. Right yeah yeah for sure yeah for sure yeah because like it like you're left and you're like oh well did that really happen to Gwyneth Paltrow or is that just the fantasy or the idea and I don't know I kind of like that
00:58:40
Speaker
Yeah. Um, and also we should point out that, uh, the real Shakespeare was married with three children. yeah Um, at the time of this, they do, they do make reference to it. Um, but they also say that he was banished, uh, from a Stratford, which is not true. Uh, he just abandoned his family to move to London to be a playwright. Yeah. He was like, bye bitches. See you later to Anne Hathaway, his wife. Yeah. Yeah. Her name was actually Anne Hathaway.
00:59:08
Speaker
And she has a beautiful cottage that is still there today sh that you can go tour in Stratford-upon-Avon. It is my favorite building in Stratford-upon-Avon, which I've been to. Humblebrag. Humblebrag. But yeah, so that's Shakespearean love. Yeah.
00:59:28
Speaker
it's um it's really beautiful um and it beat uh saving perfect ryan for best picture which was a big scandal at the time yeah but i mean like honestly i mean i've never seen saving private ryan so i cannot compare the two but this movie just has everything yeah um i Yeah, I've seen Saving Private Ryan one time ah in high school. um They showed it in one of my history classes. on like it was I think it was in AP American History like after the test where we have like two weeks where we don't do anything but watch movies. Yeah, nice.
01:00:02
Speaker
um and uh it's yeah it's good it's a good movie it's fine um it's very upsetting um there's like there's a scene that happens in that movie that has like stayed with me my entire life since then where i don't remember which actor it is but he's like fighting with this nazi and they have this this like blade like this like the end of a bayonet or something and they're fighting over the knife And he's got, it's the thing that happens in every movie where somebody's got like on top of you with the knife and you're like holding it with your hands, trying to prevent it. And it just very, very slowly stabs him through the heart. So like he fails unlike in you know every other movie where you've seen that. And yeah, I,
01:00:41
Speaker
That is the most memorable scene from that movie for me. It's good. I like Shakespeare and Love better, but I'm a theater kid and a romantic, so. Yeah. Yeah. And also proving that you don't have to be a sad movie to win Best Picture. Yeah. And has a comedy won ever since? I don't know. La La Land almost did. La La Land is also not a comedy. I'd say it's like a comedy-ish.
01:01:09
Speaker
Well, of the of the movies that it's ripping off without attribution, I would say the closest one is probably The Umbrellas of Shaboor, which is very sad. Yeah. I'm seeing it in the rain, which is a comedy, I suppose. Which is a comedy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what else is one that is a comedy.
01:01:29
Speaker
Not since then. Plenty of movies before, but God, has a comedy not won the best picture in 25 years? That's crazy. I don't even know what won last year. I mean, everything everywhere all at once is kind of a comedy. It's definitely comedic. Yeah, that's a comedy. Yeah, yes. Okay, so we got Shakespeare in Love, then American Beauty, then Gladiator, then A Beautiful Mind. Chicago!
01:01:49
Speaker
so Oh, Chicago's a comedy, yeah, so four years. That didn't take long. Then Lord of the Rings Return of the King, then Million Dollar Baby, then Crash, then The Potty. Hilarious Million Dollar Baby. That's Million Dollar Baby. Then The Depotted, then No Country for Old Men, then Slumdog Millionaire, then The Hurt Locker. The King's Speech is kind of funny.
01:02:13
Speaker
Um, oh, the artist, that's definitely a comedy. Oh, the artist is definitely a comedy. Yeah, that's completely forgettable though. Like, yeah, I know. Right. Nobody remembers the artist and midnight in Paris and war horse. It'd be that war horse. Um, uh, Argo, 12 years a slave, bird man, spotlight, one best picture.
01:02:39
Speaker
bird man and It's very depressing. Reading the Best Picture winners is depressing. I don't want to know these anymore. It beat out The Imitation Game, American Sniper, Boyhood, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Selma, Whiplash. I don't like any of those movies. God. and um um Moonlight, The Shape of Water, Green Book, that year. Parasite. I've not seen Green Book, but I understand it's maybe the worst movie I could ever win Best Picture.
01:03:09
Speaker
Yeah, which one over a star is born? A star is born. Star is born is It is. Nomadland, Coda, everything everywhere, all at once, an Oppenheimer. Oh, Oppenheimer, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to cut all that out. ah um Which one over Barbie, which I think is insane. I don't i don't think Barbie was the best picture.
Cinema Highlights of the Year
01:03:33
Speaker
I think that it was definitely best picture, weren't they? Because I got bored during Oppenheimer. I didn't see Oppenheimer. And I did not get bored during Barbie. My favorite movie of last year, oh no, it's not last year anymore. My favorite movie of 2023 was The Boy and the Heron. Oh, nice. Very nice. What was your favorite movie since we are recording on New Year's Day? What would you say was your favorite movie of 2024?
01:04:01
Speaker
I don't know. I had this on um another podcast um and i I couldn't really, I think I saw the TV glow probably, but I haven't seen a ton of movie of new movies last year. yeah um So that's subject to change. um I liked, I saw the TV glow. um It was really good, but I'm not sure. Really? I thought you would pick the People's Joker. People's Joker's also really good, yeah.
01:04:26
Speaker
yeah um Yeah, it was it's it's definitely I mean, people's Joker is like, such an insane achievement and such like, a unique work of art and it's so like, you know, zero budget.
01:04:42
Speaker
um amalgamation of all these different kind of like genres and filmmaking techniques. And it's just it's wild. And it was definitely probably the best experience I had in a theater um last year. um But again, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Mine was Wicked.
01:05:01
Speaker
Basic bitch over here talking about the American Girl Doll Store and her favorite movie of 2024 is Wicked. Barbie and Wicked. Happy for you.
01:05:13
Speaker
Thank you. What are we doing next week? I liked Wicked fine. Yes, I loved Wicked. You told me you cried. I did cry. I cried. I cried insurance commercials. That's why we're friends. We both know Wicked. Yeah, i I thought Wicked was good. I thought Wicked. um I don't understand why um movies look like they do now.
01:05:37
Speaker
um Well, we were watching, it we were watching, oh yeah, yeah. When we got to Cassie and Luke's, they were watching Skyfall. It's a James Bond movie. yeah And um the thing about that movie is it is, it was on mute. we met We didn't turn the sound on the whole time. We were like talking and like yeah making Pavlova and um doing Christmas gifts and stuff. But every now and then we looked at the, we'd look at the screen that's like, God, this be gorgeous yeah um movie's Movies,
01:06:06
Speaker
and I mean, that movie's not that old, but like there seems to be this this problem, and I know this is discussed endlessly by film bros on Twitter and stuff, but like... It's so like the the lighting, the cinematography, like it's just, I don't know why they mute everything out. Like Wicked is so colorful. Like Barbie is a good counter example to this. Like Barbie looks gorgeous and the colors in that movie pop so well. And Wicked is supposed to be this like colorful, like outlandish, like fantasy land. And it's still got this like dull filter over everything. And I don't know if it's because of
01:06:45
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you know um digital projection stuff or if it's because of um budget or something but there's just something in that in that movie that I I don't understand why they why it's so it just um yeah yeah yeah i don't know can I tell my my quick skyfall story yeah um since you brought up Skyfall. um This is my favorite ah Skyfall story. So a few years ago, we went to a wedding in um and Scotland, in the Highlands. And it was, I'm sure I've talked about the wedding, that wedding. It was a beautiful wedding. It was gorgeous. Yeah, yeah. um They famously filmed a lot of Skyfall in the Scottish Highlands. And so Tom, Charlie's friend who was driving us, um wanted to go to the famous sort of like,
01:07:36
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bit. There's like a famous lookout that you can go to that's like very heavily featured where like James... That's one of the scenes that we we we were talking about I think where yeah it's like yeah it's him and I mean and ah Judy Dench also in this movie. Yeah exactly. um Get there and it's like just this barren like apocalyptic looking wasteland of of ah Scotland. Yeah and it's still there and you can go and you can look and it's it's beautiful. um And so we're there and it's a famous lookout there's like a sign for it And so there were like some other tourists that were there. And we're standing there enjoying the beautiful scenery. And then this other couple walks up and get out of their car. And one woman turns to her ass and she goes, so that film?
01:08:26
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Just completely ruining the moment that we're all having taking in this beautiful scenery. That'll happen, I mean, that's not exclusive to England. That will happen anywhere you go, any famous landmark you go to in the world, there's gonna be some idiot behind you going, oh boy, I mean, look at that. Is this why they did that film? Or any other accent, it doesn't matter, it doesn't have to be English. It just it helped that she was like so cocky and her voice was so high pitched. It was almost comical.
01:09:01
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um Anyway, so what movie are we doing next week? Oh, God, I don't know. I can't bring it back. You have to pick one! Let us watch... Ooh, Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Ooh, Forgetting Sarah Marshall! Hells yeah. Yeah, yeah nice a nice ah warm summertime movie for Lucas January. yeah I love that. I love that. Beautiful. Fantastic. Shall we outro?
01:09:26
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01:09:54
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