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EP 18: How to make your big dreams work in the midst of your real life sh*t w/ Aviva Jewel
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Something many modern day healers face is wanting something (like starting a business Or traveling the world) but not having the money, support or other factors in place yet that allow you to execute.
What then? What do you do when you want something that feels out of reach? Do you give it up? Say screw it and just go all in?
The answers you hear on today’s podcast might surprise you as I interview The Life Enthusiast founder, Aviva Jewel. This woman turned a life-threatening cancer diagnosis into a full-on movement that helps women live a story worth telling before they hit their deathbed (or a crossroads moment in life) forced to reflect on the way they’ve been living it.
Aviva doesn’t want you to have any regrets but she’s also not here to paint a picture of mindless grabbing, throwing all other responsibilities out of the window like so many other coaches out there.
I think you’ll find her story and her approach to building a visionary business down-to-earth, refreshing and downright doable.
I can’t wait for you to listen!!
Connect with Dana HERE and Aviva HERE and tell them what you loved most about this episode and what resonated deeply.
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Introduction to the Podcast
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Hello and welcome to the Modern Day Healer podcast. I'm your host, Dana Hayes, and I am so excited to share with you the stories, the trials, the tribulations, and most importantly, the triumphs of my own as well as many other successful modern day healers.
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We've gone all in to pursue our passion, to make an impact in the world by helping humans heal from the past and find true empowerment in their lives
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She is me and anyone else who feels a calling to help others heal, grow and share their light. You could be a wife, a mother, a teacher, a writer, a speaker, a podcast host. You might be a workshop producer, a course creator.
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You're most likely an entrepreneur and can't shake the desire to make your calling your career because you know how much impact you could make if you went all in and had the opportunity to share your story with the world. That is a modern day
Meet Dana Hayes and Aviva Jewel
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healer.
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I am a podcast host, a co-author of an amazing book about the journey of sobriety, a wife, a mom of two young children, and the creator of the spiritual lifestyle brand, Living in Power. I am Dana and I am a modern day healer. I am so glad you're here. Let's get started.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to today's episode of the Modern Day Healer. I have with me the vivacious, the spicy, and extremely kind and empathetic Aviva Jewel. Aviva is the founder of the Life Enthusiasts, a brand that's inspiring women to say, screw it, let's do it, which I love.
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and live life with shamelessly wholehearted enthusiasm, which again, I love. Aviva has had some unique experiences in her life that led to the realization that many women are met with a crossroads moment in life, or honestly, I think it's like a life or death moment in life.
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um And oftentimes they're not able to say, yeah, I lived it to the fullest and she's made it her life's mission to change that. So I am so excited that I talked you into being here today because the world needs to hear your message and your story. And that is what I would love for you to start with Aviva. Welcome, welcome, welcome to the show.
Aviva's Journey of Self-Discovery
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Hi, I don't think anybody has ever referred to me as vivacious and I like it.
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I am totally receiving and on board with that. So thank you. and Thank you so much for having me on here, Dana. I'm so excited to be here with you um and and to to speak to you and and connect hopefully with with your people and yeah, just share the life enthusiasts love, right? um So yeah, a little bit about me. I, as as you just mentioned, my,
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brand, my community, it's called the life enthusiasts. And gosh, that all started. I'll kind of take it back a bit. So I'm originally from New York. I grew up about 20 minutes north of Manhattan. And I currently live in the UK. I live in England, and um, on the South coast near, near to, for anybody who is familiar near to a city called Brighton and Growing up in New York, I you know i was definitely an underachiever. I didn't really feel like the traditional system, the traditional way of going through life was for me, but I was young and I was i really struggled with self-esteem and with all sorts of things. And I just i knew that this there was so much more to life, but i I didn't know how to express it. I didn't know what to do with it. I didn't know how to change anything. So I kind of went about
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emotions, doing the things you're meant to do. I went to, obviously I went to high school, I guess I didn't have a choice. I was like, I went to high school. Anyway, I went to high school, um, went to college, got a job and none of it really ever felt quite right for me. Being in college, it just, I enjoyed it, but Even I would, I remember I would call my mom crying being like, this isn't for me. I don't, this doesn't feel right. I don't know what to do. And this was in the early, early ish mid 2000s. And, you know, I didn't know a lot of people who were doing different things in their life at that point, you know, in like 2005, I didn't know a ton of people who were living a different kind of life than that, at least not in the New York city area. I just didn't then, I think things have probably changed a little bit now.
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But, um, and she would say, if you can figure out another plan, then by all means leave school. And I just, like, I couldn't see what I didn't have. Whatever it was that I needed to do that. And so I got a job right out of college, big corporate company um in the city. And I was miserable. I, you know, my twenties were.
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had a lot of mental health struggles, really struggled with depression, anxiety, um like really, really intense, ah intense stuff with that. And I would go to work and and the people I worked with were great, but it just wasn't, you know, corporate America was not for me at all in any way, shape or form. um You know,
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And I don't bash it in any way either. You know, I think for everybody, different strokes for different folks. And for me, that was not my stroke. So a few years in, my boss there, she, amazing woman. I haven't talked to her in years, but and I probably should reach out to her at some point, but.
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She is, you know how some people you just know, like they, even if you don't speak to them for years, like they were in your life for a very specific reason. And I think like where I'm at now wouldn't have been without her. So I got called into her office one day and she said to me, Evie, but I know you're not happy.
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She knew it wasn't a personal thing towards her or towards the business. She just knew it wasn't what I wanted to be doing and she said, if you could do anything in the world right now, what would you do? Don't think about it, just answer. And I didn't think about it and I just said, I would quit my job and I would travel. This is what I want to do.
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I don't know anybody doing anything like that at the time. This was pre-Instagram. I think actually at this point, I think maybe Instagram had literally just been launched like that year. Um, so I said this to her without thinking and she's like, okay, so why don't you do it? And I said, I'm afraid to leave my job, but you know, I don't know what else I'm going to do. If I fail, like what am I going to do for money? Like at the time I still probably still had some college loans, didn't know what to do. And.
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She said, okay, well, what if I said to you, you can take some time off and do some travel and still have the job to come back to. And I was like, okay, okay. You know, now we're talking and, and, uh, she's like, how much time would you want? I kind of like kicked myself now. I should have asked for a year, but I was like, I don't know, like two months. She's like, done. Go do what you want to do. So this was obviously a huge blessing. I mean, it was unpaid leave. I wasn't paid, you know, it was a sabbatical.
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but I had the safety net of the job. And so I planned... Sorry, if this is too long, tell me and I'll stop talking.
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so okay so From that point, i plans to I was going to go to Thailand. I had a friend who had done a volunteer abroad program with ah with a company that she really liked and and I heard about them and I was like, I'm going to do something with them as well. and so I chose to go to Thailand.
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And I was going to go volunteer in Chiang Mai with elephants. And then I don't know something about it. Like at the last minute, maybe a month, less than a month before I was supposed to do that. I changed my mind and I was like, I don't know why, but Argentina is calling me.
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So I changed my plans, went to Buenos Aires and I went there and I was supposed to be there volunteering and living for two months. I think I volunteered like less than a handful of times cause I got there and I was like, I'm an Argentina. Like I'm going to, I'm going to have fun. I'm going to explore. So I feel kind of bad. I still feel a little bit bad about that cause I didn't do as much volunteering as I was supposed to, but you know, yellow. So, um, I did that and I was on this trip and it It was just like so it was just
Settling Down and Life Changes
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Things were different this was in 2012 like I think we had whatsapp Instagram like I have a few pictures from that trip on Instagram I wish that I had realized at the time what it could have been because I could have been a huge travel influencer at this point I really missed the boat remember I would get like comments on it and I'm like who are these people and I just like didn't understand it anyway on my
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Second to last week there, I think like a couple weeks before I went away, I decided to take a little solo trip. I went to Uruguay for a weekend because it's just across the river. And that was the first time I was like completely by myself. in bonas as I was living in a house with a lot of other people. And I was like, I'm going to go do something just for me. And I went to Uruguay. I had an amazing time. I felt so empowered by this like solo travel. And it was the first time I was starting to really feel empowered in myself.
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and my choices. And I decided I'm gonna do a little bit more travel before I go home. And so I took a trip up to a part of Argentina called Mendoza, which is on a bus, it's about 14 hours north of Buenos Aires on a bus, um kind of like mid to Northern-ish Argentina. And I was gonna do that and then go to Chile to Santiago for a few days and then come back and fly home.
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And on my first night in the hostel that I was staying at, I met the guy who would become my husband. I just met him that night, didn't think anything of it, wasn't looking for anything. It was genuinely the first time in my life I was not looking for anything. My 20s was filled with me, like just bad relationships, desperate to meet somebody. And this was the one time I was like, I don't want to meet anybody. And of course I met somebody.
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in it the way. So I met him and he was like, keep traveling with me. He was traveling around South America. He's like, why don't you just keep traveling with me? And I said, yes. And instead of going to Santiago, I went to other parts of Argentina, traveled around for a week with him and a few other people he was backpacking with. And then I had to go home. So I went back to Buenos Aires. I was there in about two days after I got back.
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thinking I would never see this guy again. I was like, I don't want to go home. How do you feel if I just turn around and come back and and find you again? And he was like, go for it. So I emailed my boss. I told her, thank you so much for this opportunity. um I'm going to keep traveling.
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If my job is still there for me when I come back, that's great. If not, you know, I'm, I'm really grateful for what you've done for me. She's like, I knew this was going to happen. I knew you weren't going to come back. She's like, take another month. Your job is still safe. I mean, like who does this? Who does this? This was is incredible. Um, this is 12 years ago, 12 and a half years ago. And I still just, I can't believe it. Um,
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I'm in good fortune with that. And so anyway, did that, traveled around, eventually moved back to New York. And then he came with me to New York and his plan was to go to Australia. And sorry, this is so long.
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And his plan was to go to Australia. I went back to New York, quit my job officially, got rid of my apartment, got rid of a lot of stuff and moved to Australia.
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And followed him there. We were there for a few months, came back to the UK where he's from. He's English. That's why I'm here. And basically like that, that whole story that I always say like, that's my origin story of where I am now. Because if all of that hadn't happened, if my boss hadn't asked me this one question, if she hadn't said to me, if you could do anything, what would you do? Don't think, just answer. Like I wouldn't be, maybe I would be somewhere similar. I don't know.
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but that was the catalyst for everything. And from there, you know like we got married a year later after we met and and and I wound up moving here and going through all all the all the visa process and I'm a citizen now and and whatnot and dual citizen um between the States and the UK. So that was kind of the start of it.
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um
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I'm like, where do I go from here? So flash forward a lot of years. 2020.
Health Challenges and Life Reflections
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Well, actually 2019,
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because after we met, we were traveling when we met and we wanted to travel again. And we waited until I got my citizenship, which was at the end of 2018. And then in 2019, we were like, we're going to travel again. And we went traveling. We, we again got rid of our apartment and we quit our jobs. We,
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bought all the train tickets and stuff. Basically we took trains from London to Beijing all over land, and went across Northern Europe, Russia, Mongolia, and into China. And we were going to be traveling for a really long time and the universe kept throwing things in our way. It was like a comedy of errors. One thing after the next, after the next. It was very clear that we weren't meant to be doing this anymore. Sometimes what you want isn't what life is going to give you, you know? um And we came back, didn't know what we were going to do.
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And ultimately this was at the end of 2019. The second we came back, everything started to fall into place. My husband had a job that kind of like fell out of the sky. We had a place come up that we could stay, um, until we found somewhere else to live. You know, I, I was going into a yoga business that I was, I was teaching yoga at the time and I was going to make that my full time thing.
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And then of course, a few months later, the pandemic happened and we went into lockdown and we couldn't do anything. And I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I think not, not, you know what I mean? Not amazing, but like amazing that we had been clearly guided to come back because I don't know what we would have done had we still been away. And about a month and a half into the first lockdown, I went to go get something checked in one of my breasts.
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that didn't feel right. And long story short, it turned out to be breast cancer. And it was very early stage, you know, very early stage, breast cancer. I was very lucky. It was caught extremely early and very treatable at the time, um, had, had mastectomy and I, you know, I'm not going to get into the whole like,
00:15:58
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all the stuff about the cancer, but, um, you know, there were medications that I could have taken. I chose not to take them. I don't want to go into that because I know that's such a kind of like touchy subject for a lot of people. Um, but anyway, I was very lucky that it was caught when it was and that we were home and not abroad somewhere else. And when this happened to me,
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It's funny, but it's not funny. My biggest, two of my biggest fears for a very long time. I mean, like years before this happened were pandemics and cancer. Like I remember like at least a decade before this happened, like I think, gosh, at least a decade, maybe more than that, like actively being afraid of a pandemic and like always being afraid of cancer for some reason. I don't know why. And then of course I got diagnosed with cancer in the middle of a pandemic. And I was like, life is just,
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Ridiculous. You have a funny sense of humor. um
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And you know what people say about, you know, your fears coming true and realizing you can actually handle it and you can get through it. And when this all happens, I remember I had a conversation with my mother and I said to her, you know, if this is it, if this is it for me,
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I'm actually like, I'm okay with it. I'm genuinely, you know, like I don't want to die. I don't want something like that to happen. I also, you know, at the time didn't really understand how it all, how it all worked and that it wasn't like you just get cancer and that's it. But yeah. i So I said to my mother, you know, if this is it, like I'm okay with it. I've, I've lived a good life. I've done the things that I say I want to do. Um, I'm okay. Like I don't have anything that I regret.
00:17:49
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you know, I want to keep living, I want to keep living like this, I want to keep going for the things I want to do, because in between that time of that original question from my boss to that point, you know, I had done so many things, I had, you know, become a health coach, I had become a yoga teacher, I had done some traveling, I had moved to a new country, I had, you know, gone for a lot of the things and the dreams and tried different things that I always said I wanted to do. So that when I was 34 years old, getting diagnosed with breast cancer, I was like, you know what, actually, like,
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I've lived a really good life. And that's kind of where like the second part of this story comes in. Because from that point, you know, like I stopped teaching yoga, i physically couldn't at the time between my surgery and then I had a second surgery a year later and it really, really vastly changed my physical class and practice. And so I kind of stopped teaching then. But I had this realization that So many people get to, like you said, this crossroads in their life, whether it's a health scare, ah like a financial loss, a relationship breakdown, some major crossroads in their life, which makes you question what you're doing with your life. And so many people wait until those moments to start living. People are like, oh, you know, I can't do this thing right now. I can't do this thing right now. Now's not a good time because of this or because of that.
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And then something happens and they're like, crap, why haven't I been living like this? And it's not to say everybody needs to go travel and quit their jobs. Like I understand firstly, that that's a very privileged thing to be able to do, but also it's not everybody's dream. Like that was my dream for someone else. Their dream might be to, I don't know, like go to culinary school or just to do up their garden and plant stuff in their gardens, start like a vegetable patch, whatever. It can be anything. And.
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I slowly, slowly started to realize like that that's my calling. I want to be the person who makes other people, other women and in particular, feel limitless. I
Creating a Supportive Community
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want to you know create spaces and conversations that inspire you to live.
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now while you're here to enjoy it. Like don't wait. Don't wait for the moment where you're like, crap, why am I not doing the things now? And that all kind of like really kicked off with this cancer diagnosis. So obviously there's so much, but I've been talking for about at least 20 minutes. so I'm going to stop for a moment, take a breath and give any questions or we can kind of go from there. But that's sort of like the launch pad. I promise to keep the rest of the answers a little bit more short. This is what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to share your story in the depth that it is and it's a deep story. It's a big yeah and there's a lot to share there. I think it's amazing though that you
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I haven't heard anybody else on the show talk about helping people at a crossroads or helping people before like the preventative measure of not having to get to the crossroads point and be like, oh my God, what have I been doing? And I also really love the idea that you mentioned like the fact that everyone's dreams are so different because I know like my mom's dream is not my my dream. Like she has actually actively talked about planting a garden And um you know it's like one of those things that we live on six acres of b land and I don't see the garden out there. So I'm thinking of her and I'm like, God, oh, everyone needs to hear this so badly. And that is why you're here on the podcast. Right. you know I mean, we talk so much about preventative medicine, like get healthy, live in a way, change your lifestyle so that you know you are giving yourself the best chance
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of health for and longevity before illness comes in, you know, instead of treating the illness, which I mean, obviously to do as well, but, you know, change your diet, change your lifestyle, whatever, preventative preventative living, preventative lifestyle. But I think for me, I just said it actually, I'm like, it's kind of like preventative. I don't know if it's preventative living, but it's it's the same kind of thing, you know, instead of,
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waiting until you get sick to start living, like start doing it now and start doing little bits here and there now. And, you know, i probably not the people who are listening to your podcast, but there are, you know i know, this is, this can be really triggering for a lot of people because a lot of people will be like, well, I can't cause I don't have the time or I don't have the support or I don't have the money or whatever. Yes, there are certain things that like, maybe you do need an element of those as well. And I totally understand that.
00:22:51
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There are things that like I've wanted to do that maybe I feel apprehensive or reluctant or resistance to because I don't have one or all of those things to do them. And sometimes I think I'm almost at it's like disadvantage to talk about this one. I'm like, my story is like traveling around the world. Cause it's something so big and grand when actually, you know, I've got plenty of dreams that are far more micro than that, you know, it's, um,
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that's effectively why I wanted to create the life enthusiasts. So people have a community of other women around them. You know, it's, it is for, it is for women. I do want to create the space for women. Um, it's, it's just that a lot of the times you might have people in your life who are
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supportive, but they don't really understand where you're coming from. So like maybe it's, do you want to start a business? You know, ifve I've had a few businesses, I've been a yoga teacher, I'm also a virtual assistant. I've got, you know, this life enthusiast thing, which has taken me a while to get off the ground for a variety of reasons. um But just because somebody's in your life who you care about and who cares about you doesn't mean they're going to be able to support you the way that you need.
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to live your dreams, to do the things in life. And sometimes you just don't have people who want to do the same things you want to do, you know? So, yeah, I don't know. It's, um, I think it's really important to have people encouraging you to, like, I always say, like, that what you we used to just start, but screw it, let's do it. Because
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A lot of the times when I find myself caught in my head, and I'm like, I want to do this thing. I want to do this thing. And if there's no like real barriers aside from my own mind, then I'll catch myself. I'm like, you know what? Screw it. Let's do it. I'm just going to go for it. And I just started saying that. And and I thought, you know, this is a really good, good motto to live by. um And although, like I said, this can be triggering for some people, I think if it is, I know for me anyway, when something triggers me, it's usually because there's something in it that's true, something in it that I want, or something in it that I don't want to admit has some level of truth in it, and it's easier to be resistant and to not want to hear it. But life is for a living man, you know?
00:25:34
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while you're here to do it and while you have the privilege of the ability to do so, why not? Yeah. Screw it. Let's do it. No, I do it. That is the tagline of all taglines. Yeah. Because it really does speak volumes to like what we're here to do. We are here to do the thing. And I think that like one of the things you were talking about, um,
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I mean, there's so many nuances to this conversation, obviously. And like you said, it can be triggering, but it really is looking at jumping into the uncertainty of life. Like that is life. Life is uncertain. And I was just teaching the vulnerable AF masterclass and that was kind of the the core of it was looking at the uncertainty of life as the the gold, right? Like that is,
00:26:30
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the place where all infinite possibilities live. And if you're not willing to take that dive, then you're also not willing to, if you're not willing to risk, you know, the possibility of, I don't know, things like not going your way, right? You're trying to always control for outcomes, which means you're not jumping in the void. You're definitely not jumping into uncertainty because you're trying to control for certainty.
00:26:56
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um And so if you're not willing to risk things not going possibly the way that you want them to then you're never gonna reap the reward of living this like you're talking about limitlessness um and living this limitless life. And I just, i I personally cannot fathom that at this point in my life because of how often I have taken the dive and um have looked at like you were just talking about those triggers.
00:27:25
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finding the seed of desire in them and then chasing that instead of running away from it. Absolutely and and I mean by no means am I perfect at this you know there's plenty of things like I still have plenty of things where I am like I i know this is what I want to do and I am like hedging hedging you know I'm i'm i'm i'm nervous to do it for whatever reason And sometimes it takes me longer than I would like to admit, but you know what, like I'm human being a life enthusiast. When I talk about this, it's, you know, my brands, my community, like in no way, shape or form. And maybe this is why either it's why it hasn't, you know, grown to where I want it to be yet, or because it, for whatever reason, I.
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I'm not going to go out there and put like this perfect image on. I'm not going to be like, go live this life and do this thing. And it's always easy. And it's, you know, look at us and joy, joy, joy. No, like being a life enthusiast is embracing all the aspects of life. Because if you only want to be.
00:28:33
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grateful to be alive when things are going good and when you're jumping in head first without thinking about it and just enjoying it then you're gonna have a really rough time when things aren't going your way and when things are challenging and it's like how can you still be enthusiastic about life even when it's not going your way even when it's challenging even when it's hard you know like earlier today i didn't have the best start to the day and i went Down to the beach. Um, I live by the beach now with, I went down with my dog and we went for a walk and I just did a story about this actually on my Instagram. It's, um, I call it sunset season down here right now because this time of year, like whatever the positioning, I don't, I don't know the scientific words for this, but whatever the positioning of the earth's access and where the sun sets,
00:29:24
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It's just so beautiful this time of year. It's directly over the ocean. It's just really, really beautiful. And I was just like, this is the duality of life. Like even when things around you and within you feel like they're starting to fade or when they don't feel like they're full of life, like there's still so much light. There's still so much beauty around you. And it's like, that's life. That's life. So like, I want to celebrate.
00:29:55
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the wind celebrate what feels good and joyful and find that within your life. And also like honor the fallow seasons, honor that it's not always gonna be sunshine and rainbows and sunsets and cotton candy or whatever. Like it's it's all of it. And that's what being a life enthusiast is about. And just tuning into what kind of life it is that you want to live like when you have your crossroads moment when you're on your deathbed which is probably going to be after the crossroads moment but you know when you're at either of those points like what story do you want to tell yourself about the life you lived and to the best of my ability that's what i try to remind myself and that is
00:30:46
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100% what I am much better at reminding other people about. You know, I do I do do I definitely do live by this. But again, like I'm human. I'm not just like some robot who can switch immediately. You know, I mentioned before, like my mental health in my twenties, like that hasn't gone away. It's just gotten easier. You know, that's still a part of the picture for me very much so, but it's again, how can I turn that into a blessing rather than a burden? Yeah. i I think that is like a key point too, because, you know, something I was talking about today is the fact that we're all not that we're always, but many times, especially with newer coaches and mentors and healers.
00:31:29
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as coming onto the online space. I think there's this idea that you do need to present perfection or that you need to be putting on some face that looks the way that you think other people need to perceive you in order to be good enough to sell your services. And I think that is a not just a misconception, but I think it is a huge hindrance to people actually making money doing what they love because I have found that the more that I allow myself to be like just honestly like kind of
00:32:09
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How do I put it? I have a mom and I have a baby and I have a seven year old and they're both boys and things get messy and um I am not going to waste my energy or my life trying to make it look like I'm this buttoned up, prim and proper, exec, you know what I mean? Like, I think we also went through this whole phase of like, we're the CEOs and, you know, like boss babes and whatever. And it's like, you can be a boss and a CEO without looking like one or looking like what you think they have to look like in order to like make that work for you. And so I i just really liked this part of the conversation because I
00:32:54
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um Like I said, I think that that's a huge hindrance. It's not just a misconception. It's like something that's really holding people back from everything that they could have if they would just be vulnerable enough to be who they really are and present themselves just as they are right the second. Understand and really believe that that's good enough for other people. In in fact, it's not just good enough. it's like the juice, like it's the thing that other people are like, oh my god, I really see myself reflected in this person. And due to that, I now can see the possibilities for myself because I can see myself in in this. Totally. And you know, I think the trouble with that, that people run into is because there's so much out there now being like, be authentic, like be vulnerable, do this stuff. And and I mean,
00:33:47
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This is, you know, speaking in broad strokes here because it's not everybody, obviously, but the way I think then people get caught up in in their head about it, then they overthink about it and they're like, okay, I've got to be authentic. Like, how do I do that? And.
00:34:03
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You know, I know that you share about this and, and, and you, you show people, like you, you embody that, you know, you, you, you are the example of it. You're not just be like, be authentic, be vulnerable. Like you're actually doing it. if You are it. And you're not, it's not even that you're doing it. You're just being you. And I hope more people can come to you and find you because you're so good at that. But it becomes then.
00:34:31
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like another marketing tool for people, not everybody, but like in, in, in certain spaces. And that's not helpful either. It's almost like, just, just screw it and let go of it, you know, just stop overthinking it really. And you know, for me, I,
00:34:55
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My social accounts have always been like very deeply personal. I've always been like extremely vulnerable. I've always worn my hat my heart on my sleeve. And I didn't do it because i was for most of the time that I've had these accounts, I i wasn't even trying to sell anything. like It's just because, I don't know, I'm an oversharer by nature. And and I went onto this platform and I was like, okay, like I'm just gonna...
00:35:19
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use it as like a diary. Like I don't, I, I, and I've always been that way. If anything, I've like scaled back a bit. I think like,
Balancing Authenticity and Business
00:35:25
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especially after the cancer stuff, I just kind of had a bit of a vulnerability hangover and I was like, Oh, just, I need to scale it back a bit, but it's, and then I'm having almost like the reverse where with my business stuff now that I'm trying to change my page into more of a business page. Cause I do have a life enthusiast page, but I don't really post on it because everything is on my personal page. It's,
00:35:48
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the situation where I'm like I'm trying to almost turn it down a little bit sometimes because I'm like because I'm told they tell you two things like if you have a business you want to be authentic and be vulnerable but don't be too vulnerable don't be too authentic because then that's gonna put people off and I'm like I don't know what I'm doing I can't do this and so like I've recently just been like again screw it let's do it I just don't care I'm just gonna show up and
00:36:14
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trust, you know, I'm in different business programs, I connect with different business related people that I'm going to find my way and my groove with the business thing. But that's secondary to me because for me, it's all about the personal connection. It's all about, you know, building community and, you know, offer things out there to people. But And this might again be a hindrance for me. Like I struggle to look at it. I'm like the worst business person on the planet because I'm like, the only kind of business I want to be in is the business of living life. Like that's it. So, you know, if you feel the same way, then come join me and you know, hopefully you like the things that I put out there. Maybe you want to buy them. Maybe you don't, but if I get you out of your head and into your life more, like I don't care. Like that's,
00:37:05
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that's I'm like, that's the only payment I need. I mean, it's not I have bills, but you know, like, I just and just i just want to give people into their lives. That's it. Like, I just want to have fun. And and and yeah,
00:37:23
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yeah, I always think of... the Joni Mitchell song, All I Want. I don't know if you're a Joni Mitchell fan at all. And God, i'm like am I going to go there? Am I going to ruin your listeners' ears? um She's like like, I want to have fun. I want to shine like the sun. I want to be the one that you want to see. Applause is pause. Life is our cause. When I think of your kisses, my mind sees us.
00:37:54
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um oh my god i don't think i miss you i don't sing very much actually no that's not true i sing all the time but um just like i want to have fun i want to shine like the sun like that you know life applause applause life is our cause like i always is that all i want is that from all i want i can't remember anyway it's a johnny mitchell song um and i always think of that because i'm like that's That's the essence of it all, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. I think when we are laying on our deathbeds, it's not gonna, honestly, most of it's not gonna matter. And it really is just the experience of love. And that's, you know, another huge point I was making today is like, okay, so when we are playing with the void, when we are playing with uncertainty, and we are just like,
00:38:41
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saying, screw it, let's do it, and doing the thing without protecting ourselves, without going into full self-protection mode and and stopping ourselves from possibly experiencing pain, which we don't really know if we're gonna experience it in those moments anyway, but when we can do it, it's like, oh my God, that's okay. You are risking a temporarily broken heart for the possibility of infinite love. And that permeates out through everything that you do and everything that comes back to you, you become a match for that. And so whatever that is meant to look like in your life is what it's gonna be. And that is what you're going to get to, I don't know, that's gonna be the essence of your life that you lay your head down and go, yep, that was a wild ride. Like that was the good stuff. That's the good stuff.
00:39:35
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I just always think I'm like, we get, I know a lot of these things that I'm saying are a bit cliche at times and maybe try it, but it's, I'm not saying it because it's just some mold adage that somebody said, like, you know, we only get one chance. We're only here one time. Like I, I, I so, so deeply like feel that and I'm like this really aware of that all the time, which sometimes is exhausting, but it's, you know, it's Steve Jobs said something about,
00:40:07
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Like one of the greatest drivers for him when he was alive, one of the greatest drivers for him for just doing the things that he did and living the way that he lived was because, you know, the one truth for all of us is you're going to die. And thinking otherwise is at your own cost. at your own cost What was it exactly? He's like, you know, you're already naked. You have nothing to lose.
00:40:34
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and I know that there's so much more to that. Obviously, there's you know it's not as simple as that always, but in some ways it is. In some ways it is. I'm not telling people to go quit their jobs or to go you know spend a ton of money on everything. i think I think a lot of the times it gets equated with living a life you want to live, it gets equated with having to spend a lot of money. Well, let me ask you that. That's a really good point. because i have so For example, I have ah an old client who I'm in conversations with right now. And her biggest worry is that she has these desires to follow this business path, right? This is like her, she's committed, she's devoted, but she's so afraid to take the dive. And when I say take the dive, I just mean to carve out time to work on it.
00:41:28
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because she is so inundated right now with her job, with her corporate job, where she that's what she pays her bills with. And she has two children, they're small. And um her whole worry is like, i don't know I don't know how to make this all work. I don't know how to make this happen. So when people in that kind of ah situation cross your path, what I mean, what would you say to that? what how How would you handle that situation? It's a good question. and you know i
00:42:06
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I've been there, I mean, i don't I don't have kids, but I've been in the you know wanting to do something and being in a corporate job many times. I've been in a job and quit a job to do stuff and then gone back to work, incorporate and quit a job. and done my own thing for a while. And then um right now, so right now I have a part-time day job in addition to my virtual assistant business, in addition to building the life enthusiasts brand out. And yeah, it's not it's not always easy. I'm not going to sit here and be like, yeah, it's fine. Just like, you know, whatever, just quit your job. You can do it just because you want to, it'll all work out because you know, I've tried that a few times and
00:42:52
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for I mean, for a variety of reasons, it hasn't worked out how I wanted it to, but that's also largely because I wasn't really sure exactly the direction I was going until the last couple of years, really. but But I would say in that instance, and I think like for me personally, after the last time that I left work, I was like, I'm never going back to work for somebody again. This is never going to happen again. And then last year I wound up looking for work again. My business was in a dip at the time.
00:43:23
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ah my BA business and ah and I just kind of was like, you know what, I'm sick of being stressed about this. I'm sick of being stressed about the money. I know too many entrepreneurs, too many people who refuse to get a job and they're suffering and they can't do anything and they're broke all the time and
Mindset and Goal Setting
00:43:38
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they're stressed about it. And I was like, I don't want to live like that. You know, I respect so much. Whatever path you want to choose. And I knew for me, that wasn't the path anymore. So I took this job and
00:43:54
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I think that something I have learned from this is, I think it's like a bit of like a universe winking at me. You know, I want to share this, this mindset with people, this way of life of being the life enthusiast and telling people to do things. And this is such a common thing that comes up. Well, I have a job. I want to become my own boss. I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to start a business, but I have a job and I can't afford to leave my job. And how do I do this? And I used to talk about this all the time, but I had never really stuck it through with a job. I just kind of like left the job and to try to make it work. And now I'm back in this and I'm like, I meant to be here because I am actually this time going to be the living proof of, of doing it.
00:44:44
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of creating the things that I say I want to create at this point in my life while I still have this job. And for anybody else in that position, what I would say, a few things. Firstly, I know it's so, I know it can be really challenging. And I have my days where I'm like, why am I still here? Why am I doing this?
00:45:11
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I don't want to be here. And instead of making myself wrong for those or making it mean something else, instead of like making it mean something about me that I'm in this job, instead of saying I'm a failure because I'm here because I haven't been able to you know fully detach from it yet, I'm just like, you know what? I'm going to feel these feelings. I'm not going to bypass them. I'm not going to push them away. I'm going to notice what's coming up. I'm going to allow them to teach me what they need to teach me. I'm going to say, like well what is it really?
00:45:38
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that I don't like. And usually it's just an ego thing. Usually it's just a, Oh, look, I don't want to have to tell people that I have this business and I'm also working for somebody else. There's no shame in that. It's so brilliant because like for your client, like you can support your family. You can, you know, not have to worry about when the next client is going to come in or when the next business transaction is going to come through, whatever it is, whatever the businesses that you want to grow.
00:46:07
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and it's such a blessing. And it's okay, you know, you don't have to just constantly be like, oh, I'm grateful, I'm grateful, I'm grateful. You can be like, I'm grateful for this job and I can't wait till I'm done with it. It's both, it's duality. Nothing in life is just black and white like that. So that's one thing. Also, instead of looking at like the huge big picture of I want to do this thing and you have like these big dreams and these big goals and 100% go for them and I will always support that and cheer that on. But sometimes starting micro, you know, step away from the macro pictures, start breaking it down into smaller steps. What is one thing you can do today? One small thing. Sounds like you're really, really busy. You know, you've got this job, you've got a family, you know, a young family. Time is probably a very precious resource right now.
00:47:03
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What are small little things that you can do? So I just ran around a lot of challenges through through the life enthusiasts. And they the last one that I did, it was called Shake Shit Up. And it was all about you know less thought, more action.
00:47:26
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And the way that we start with that, it's like, when you want to do something different in your life, when you want to make a change, when you know that the time, if, if you know, some people don't even aren't conscious of like that something doesn't feel right. And they don't realize that actually it's a change that they're looking for in their life. But if you know that you're wanting to shift the energy, change something, move into something new, start small, start small, start like with little things that you can control right now, things that you can do right now.
00:47:54
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Okay. So like maybe you can't quit your job right now. Well, have you even started a business? Have you even started looking into it yet? Have you, what is one, like one little thing that you can do today? Maybe it's, I don't know, just telling somebody, Hey, like I'm thinking about doing this. Be careful also who you tell these things to, but, um,
00:48:20
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what is want like start putting it out there, I guess. It can be one tiny little thing. like I talk a lot in that program about um how it's the action that breeds confidence for us. So maybe we don't feel comfortable enough to quit the job or to like really start the business yet, but start with something small in your life. like I don't know. changing Changing your recipe routine. Something totally unrelated. Totally unrelated. So what is...
00:48:52
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like a different route that you can walk home or a different type of song or podcast or whatever that you can listen to. Just start with tiny little things that seem kind of insignificant, but the more you start like putting the energy in a different way, like where is it that you want to go and what supports that? so okay like How does this person dress? Maybe wear a different shirt one day that makes you feel like the person you want to be. maybe one day it's i mean I think you get the point. I think you get the point. I could just go on and on about this. but It's starting with small little things and building those up. It's like habit stacking, but with actions and with confidence building. And when it comes to a business, I know that, you know, personally, like there were times where like, I talked about it for a while and I was like, I want to do a business. I want to do business, but I'm in this job and I can't do it. And then.
00:49:46
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Someone said to me, well, are you actually doing anything to start this business? And I was like, well, no. So I don't know if they are, if they're not, I don't know what your client is doing, but it's.
00:50:00
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Releasing the need for a timeline for when it's going to happen. You know, real that's a huge thing that it's going to happen when, if it's something that you really want and you're committed to it, it will happen.
00:50:14
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if you show up, if you take small daily actions or small bi-weekly actions, whatever you are capable of is enough. You know, how can you trust that where you're at right now is enough. And gosh, it's such ah such a nuanced. Well, I think i just to just to come off the end of what you just said and to relate to, I think that what you just said is perfect because it's also understanding that the experience that you're walking yourself through right now, the the hard moment of like, how do I do all of this? It's for a reason, right? It's not gonna be for not. It's not gonna be for nothing. There's a reason why you're going through this. And this is the initiation. It's you know feeling that overwhelm of having the job and to be paying the bills and to be taking care of the kids.
00:51:13
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and to also have this desire at the exact same time to do something completely different and navigating yourself from where you are to eventually when the time is right to where you want to be. And like you said, having that faith that the answers will come as they're meant to as long as you take that aligned action when you can, when you have the time, when it's appropriate.
00:51:40
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And again, though, keeping that full faith that this is working out perfectly the way it's supposed to. And that again, like the experience you're having is something that you're going to then be able to use as a story. You know, you talked about the story of your life and you're going to be able to use this story to help other people. This is an initiation. This is like the stuff that we then turn into work.
00:52:07
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into our jobs, right? This is your job right now. So I think what you just said is perfect. And I just wanted to get back off of it. It's wild that like, for so long, you know, in the spaces, a lot of spaces, I mean, people talk about like the frameworks that they use to help people get through things and and and whatever it is that they're working on, and and and and everyone's like, oh, it's just whatever feels natural to you in your life, that doesn't seem like you're doing any work. And like that's what you can share with people. you know That's what you can teach people. And I'd be like, I don't know what that means. like What does that even mean? I'm like, what is a framework? And I would sit around and be like, OK, how am I going to come up with a framework? And then I realized, like with with this shake shit up thing that I did,
00:52:52
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Like that was my framework. I wasn't even conscious of it. I was like, I just want to help people get out of their head and into their life. And like, this is how I've done it. And then on one day I realized, wait a second, like this is my framework. This is my work. And, you know, I, I don't think I'm, I got to work on, on, on the, this is like what I was saying before about how everything is like right personal for me. I've got to work on like the actual selling side of it because I'm like, I can tell you about how I do it and everything. But like in terms of actually,
00:53:19
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selling it. It needs a little, a little touching up, a little judging, but it's like the way that I look at it and the way like what I return to again and again and again is like starting at a foundation. You want to make changes in your life? That's, this might not be for everybody, but I look at it from like a holistic perspective. It's building the foundations from where you're at right now to where you want to be. And like, you know, for example, like that includes like being conscious of when you want to make a change, like what is the desire? Like, where are you feeling it? What is the underlying fear that's holding you back from doing it? And really going deep on that instead of just saying, oh, it's a fear of, you know, not having enough money to support my family, for example.
00:54:14
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There's something under that, you know, we go into the layers, we go deep into that. And then you start flipping the script. So much of it I have found is about the mindset, almost everything, you know? So much of it is about the mindset and the way you believe or don't believe in yourself and what you can do.
00:54:31
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because the rest of it just comes. you know If you start taking action, if you wanna build a business, if you start putting things out there and you start you know just telling people, hey, like I'm doing this now, this is what I wanna do, or this is what I'm moving into, and then just start sharing about that. But if you don't believe in yourself, or if you haven't worked through like what it is that's actually holding you back, that's only gonna take you so far taking the actions, because you're just gonna keep coming up against the same roadblocks, the same hurdles.
00:54:59
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So, you know, start with the foundations. I think that's so hugely important and I wish that like I had done more of that sooner because I would, like where I'm at right now, I could have been at so much sooner had I like really worked through the basics of it all before. If I had really gone through like the mindset stuff about it before, if I had really gone through dismantling like the fears and the insecurities and the doubts before.
00:55:28
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Because okay, like right now, you know, I, me or anybody else, like maybe the finances are prohibitive to fully leaving a job, but that's okay. Like I, you know, I, I feel like I'm in a place where I can start putting things out there more because I've done the work now, but a lot of people bypass that and they just want to get the business out there and that's it.
00:55:54
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And I think that that is going to come back and bite you. it hurt but that I started the same exact way. And I can totally attest to what you just said. It is all about building that foundation first, because then everything flows. If you don't build the foundation first, you're forcing this
Embracing the Journey and Helping Others
00:56:14
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boulder up a hill. And it i I never got it to the top.
00:56:17
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um So and I'm going to wrap this up here. i think i can't i just I cannot believe that an hour has already gone by. It's insane to me. This conversation was so rich and so full of like little nuggets that people can use then to actually start you know to like get going. If you're sitting there and you're like, i I want to, but I don't know how. And also like, if you have a job still, cause I know that some of the listeners definitely still have jobs. And I love the fact that you put the, you know, the shamelessness around that. It does not, it doesn't matter. It's actually a part of the game. Like it's okay. It can just be a part of your story and it's what's going to help you help others in the long run. And so with that, it's like, okay, so
00:57:09
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Do you have any offers right now, anything going on where people can work with you and or are you still yeah in the job space where it's like, no, not right now? No, I do. And I just want to quickly say that like i you know For so long, I was like, oh, I had a lot of shame around the job thing again. and I can't believe I'm here again. and Even though I chose it, you know I didn't have to, but I still chose it. and I chose it because I was like, you know i I can keep going the way that I have been, but I want to you know not feel stressed. I don't want to have to take on work just to take on work that I don't want to do. um i want to be able to choose you know I didn't go into my own business to just feel stressed. and
00:57:55
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um doing work that I hate doing just to make money. you know I'll just be employed if that's what I'm going to do. If I just want to make money, then I'll just be employed. I want to love what I'm doing. And I think there's so little honesty around this out there in the online space. I don't see a lot of people out there being like, I've got a day job as well while I'm doing this.
00:58:17
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It's almost like it takes away from it, but I don't think it does. I think it's like, also like there's so much more, my husband said to me once, years ago, he was like, why don't you have multiple jobs? You know, having the traditional one job isn't right for you. So shifted my mindset about it. And now it's like, okay, I've got an employee job and I've got a couple of my own businesses. And it's like, it's variety. It's amazing. It's great. And,
00:58:45
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Anyway, there's no shame. and and And you mentioned at the start about like the shamelessly wholehearted, like that's kind of like the whole ethos behind the life enthusiasts. It's like, how can you live in this way that you're just, you're just you, you're doing the things that you want to do. You're being who you want to be. You're shamelessly wholehearted. It's this.
00:59:05
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Like who cares? Who cares if you still have a job? Like who cares if you just like want to sit and watch Netflix all day or who cares if like, if, you know, you don't like the Kardashians or if you, whatever, all these things, like anything, just if you're not hurting people and you're living your truth in what works for you and what lights you up,
00:59:29
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then it doesn't matter. None of it matters. We're all going to die one day. I know that's like really morbid, but I'm like, we're all going to die one day. And I don't want to get to the end of my life and be like, I didn't live my life doing the things I want to do. And I didn't live my life being the person I want to be because I was so shameful about it. Anyway, so invitation to say, screw it. Let's do it. And just live, you know,
00:59:56
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live this one life well while you have the chance because there's only so many sunsets we're gonna get the privilege to see, you know?
Living Intentionally and Closing Thoughts
01:00:06
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Offer-wise, so, okay, with the life enthusiasts, I run regular challenges. They sometimes are free, sometimes you, today, actually, I i have one that's coming up in December and it has been free for the last week, but it has a price on it now.
01:00:25
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But if any of your listeners hear this and want to join it, they can send me a message and I will just send them the information for free. um and I'll tell you about it in a minute. But so I run regular challenges that help you to basically live more, live more in tune with who you want to be in the life you want to live. So I have one coming up in December, it's called 30 Days of Presence. And it is really just, you know, it's for the woman who wants to Slow down, turn off the outside noise, the crazy festive season and end the year with more intention. You know, we are so focused when we come to December on what's coming up in January and setting your intentions for January. And we kind of like bypassed this magical month of December. And I'm not talking about because Christmas I'm talking about because it's just like the time of the year, what's going around in nature, what's happening. It's this peaceful, still time in the world.
01:01:24
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And we're just rushing, rushing, rushing, rushing. And 30 Days of Presence is really inviting you to experience the season both by having actual experiences, because the life enthusiast is about experiencing life, but it's external experiences, and then also how we experience it internally this time of year. So 30 days, it'll be on Telegram. It's various prompts, themes,
01:01:54
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invitations, challenges to just be more present and end that year in a more intentional way. So that's one thing. um I mentioned about the Shake Shit Up. I am going to be running a group program that goes through the whole Shake Shit Up playbook effectively. So I talked about the very beginning part of it with the foundations, but there's so much more to You know, how I've walked myself through making big changes in my life and what has worked and what I've seen with other people as well. And then this is, this is my framework. And, um, so I'm going to be running a group program about that. So if that sounds something that is interesting to anybody, just send me a message and we can talk more and.
01:02:39
Speaker
what i'm really most excited about and i don't have any dates for it yet but i'm going to be running retreats because really what i want the life enthusiasts to be about is experience It's basically like challenges, coaching, experiences, retreats that make you forget you have your phone, you know? Like those are the best things, right? When you are somewhere and you're so engrossed in the time, you're having fun, meeting new people, maybe maybe sometimes you're on your own, whatever it is, and you get to the end of the day and you're like, I can't take any pictures, but I didn't look at my phone because you're actually present in your life. You're enjoying it. I want to get offline.
01:03:22
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I want to spend more time in real life. And so there will be some really fun, exciting experiences, like in-person opportunities that are going to be coming up in the new year. So look out for those. And yeah, that that's it for now. There will be more challenges as well. So those are a regular thing. And yeah, I would so love to connect with anybody who is interested in any of this.
01:03:47
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Yay. That's awesome. Okay. I will definitely make sure to link where people can find you, where they can DM you in the show notes. So if you're listening, you can find Aviva's info there. And um one more time, thank you so, so much for being on the show Aviva. It was amazing ah to have you. It really was. Thank you so much. I don't know. I mean, can I just ask you a quick question? Yeah.
01:04:15
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What does, I would love to know, like when you hear a life enthusiasts, like what does life enthusiasts mean to you? Because it's going to be different to everybody. And like, you're somebody who I look at as just such a, like a full of life, you know, beautiful human being. And like, you're a life enthusiast, a hundred percent. We can all be life enthusiasts. And I feel like you are such an emblematic enthusiast of life yourself. So what does that mean to you?
01:04:41
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um Well, thank you. First of all, I'm honored to take that title. And i that's exactly what I think of is somebody who is full of life, full of energy, full of excitement about what's to come, but also is totally cool with being in the present moment. And in fact, like that's where they get their um drive from to to be enthusiastic about the next thing to come. It's like,
01:05:08
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just knowing how to be present, how to live in the moment, and really getting the juice from that, right? So, I don't know, that's what I think of when I think of the light juice. Beautiful, beautiful. I love how you talk about the juice. Like, the juice is always worth the squeeze when it comes to living your life, you know?
01:05:24
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i know i did Thank you so much, Dana. You're amazing. I'm so grateful to be a part of this. And thank you to everybody listening. You're welcome. Absolutely. and And to anybody that's listening, if you love this episode or you love any of the other episodes, please, please, please leave us a five star review. um It will help people find me and Aviva and it will just help spread this movement of modern day healers people who are just trying to live in their light and it doesn't matter if you're starting a business or if you work for somebody else or if you literally are a stay at home mom it does not matter a modern day healer is just somebody who is attempting
01:06:05
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in their heart of hearts to live their truth, to live in their light and to help other people do the same just by being an example of that. So I think that's also very similar to a life enthusiast. Very honored. been is Anybody who's a modern day healer, you are definitely a life enthusiast. Welcome to the fold. Yes, definitely. All right, guys, you have a wonderful day. Thanks again, Aviva. I'll talk to you soon.