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DLC 7. Dragon Age The Veilguard Is actually GOOD?! | Spoilercast and Review | Games Over Plastic
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in this special DLC episode I (Midnight) am joined by special guests Lockmort and Sensei JDOT to discuss Dragon Age The Veilguard! BioWares hotly contested video game is out and has been beaten, Now we weight in on it. Does it suck?! Is it actually good? Or is the truth in the middle. Join us as we break it down from beginning to end!
Video version at: http://www.youtube.com/@gamesoverplastic
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Show starts
00:01:10 Intros
00:04:25 Did it suck?
00:07:20 Rank the Dragon Age Games
00:08:45 The pros of the game
00:12:00 The Cons of the game
00:18:30 Spoilers begin!!!
00:27:50 The Character
00:35:10 who did we romance?
00:38:25 Story Notes
01:17:40 Final Thoughts
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Transcript
Introduction and Episode Setup
00:01:10
Speaker
Welcome, everybody. This is Games Over Plastic DLC special episode number seven. I am your host, Midnight. Joining me today are two very special guests here. First and foremost, we have ah the editor in chief. This man was our very first.
00:01:29
Speaker
He was our very first guest on podcast episode three and four, back to back, like ah Jordan, 96, 97. We had Lock Mort. He does work for Retro Rebound, Retro we Rewind, his own channels. I wish. it's only I only work for Retro Rewind. I don't work for any other channel anymore. Just just Rewind. um But yes, that's true. Thank you so much. What a nice introduction. Thank you so much. yes How are you doing?
00:01:54
Speaker
Well, great. It's an honor to to be
Dragon Age: The Valeguard Intro
00:01:56
Speaker
back here. I enjoyed it so much. I think it was a long time ago, though. That was like, when did you guys start this channel? Like a year ago? Yeah, it was in like, January, February. Oh, wow. Okay, so a very long time ago. Well, I remember that it was fun. So I'm glad I'm glad to be back. Thank you for having me back. Always a pleasure.
00:02:13
Speaker
Happy to have you back. And then last but not least, we have everybody's favorite person in Discord who wants you to let him hold $20. We have Sensei J.Diante. How you doing, bro? I'm doing good, man. Look, I just try to get the $20 out of everybody because, hey, you never know what you can do with $20. You can get a good like two Wendy's bills with $20, probably not what this is. No, not anymore. But I'm happy to be on, man. Thanks for inviting me.
00:02:42
Speaker
yeah Yeah, happy to have you. um It's funny, I went to Wendy's the other day and I spent $16 on one meal. i was so I was so pissed. I was kind of annoyed. I didn't even really notice. I didn't think anything of it until I got home. And then it hit me that I spent $16 for a sandwich, a fry, and a drink. I'm like, what is going on, man? Especially when the quality ain't even the same like I used to be like a couple of years back. It's not. It's not.
00:03:06
Speaker
Anyways, so this is Games Over Plastic. In this special episode, we are going to be talking about the BioWare's latest RPG, Dragon Age, The Valeguard. Dragon Age 3, if you will. No, 4. This is the fourth one.
00:03:24
Speaker
As the fourth Dragon Age game, it just came out on October 31st. We
Impressions and Gameplay Controversies
00:03:28
Speaker
have all three played and beaten Dragon Age Valeguard, and we're going to tell you what we think about it. So the the first part of this podcast is going to be spoiler free. So if you haven't played the game yet, you are safe to hang out and listen and let us know in the comments what you think about what we're saying and what you've seen or think about the game. If you have opinions, feel free to share it.
00:03:49
Speaker
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00:04:14
Speaker
So with all that out of the way, let's go ahead and get into it. First of all, non-spoiler takes. Let's go ahead and start with our guest that hasn't been on the show just yet, Sensei. What are your ah high level takes of a Dragon Age of the Valeguard? What did you think? Did it suck? Was it really as bad as everyone says? Nah. I don't think it was really bad as everybody said. I don't really think it warranted that much of a controversy or, you know,
00:04:42
Speaker
the discourse. I can understand what some people you know understand you know what the choices and stuff and this stuff not caring over compared to how Biowarets other games are like Mass Effect but for me personally I had a good a bit of ups and downs with the game with uh you know there was some side quests that I was just like eh you could just go ahead skip all of this and just go straight to the main quest But other than that, me personally, I had an enjoyment of the game. I had a great time. I think it's a solid game. If you just be lying like the main question, do some of the side quests. But other than that, I don't really think it's that bad of a game to where some people are saying, oh, it's a three out of 10 game. And it's just like, I don't know about that. But hey, everybody has different opinions. But you know for me personally, I think it's a solid game, at least.
Ranking Dragon Age Games
00:05:31
Speaker
Yeah. What say you like? What do you think of the game? i thought it was ah I thought it was a decent game. I thought it was like ah a 6 or a 7 out of 10, more so a 7 to me. I did think it was not a great RPG, and I also don't think it was a great Dragon Age game, but I thought it was a good action game. A fun, good action game. I'm very glad I played it. It also didn't overstay its welcome. I thought it had good length, good characters here and there, good main character in my case. So yeah, I enjoyed my time with it.
00:05:59
Speaker
i Completely agree that the discourse around it has been sullied so much that it's very hard to talk about it without getting everybody mad from either side Which is very annoying because it's a video game a video game should be fun um If you don't enjoy it, don't play it and it's gone. So um But I'm glad I'm glad I and i played it. I enjoyed it Yeah, yeah, me too. um I enjoyed this game as well. I liked it a lot. I think I'm higher on it than you two are. ah Bioware is my favorite developer of all time, as I've mentioned before. um Absolutely love them. um i I think I'd probably rate this an 8.5 or so. um I thought it was quite good. I thought the ending especially, which
00:06:35
Speaker
We won't get into spoilers yet, but I thought the ending was spectacular. um The ending really was drawing elements from big Mass Effect 2 vibes with the ending, um with like the choices and everything. um And also a little bit of Mass Effect 3, the extended cut vibe, how like you get to talk to everybody like two times before you actually go in there and kind of recap on some stuff. and And they go into some of the things you helped them with. And I thought that was cool. um But yeah, overall, it was pretty good.
00:07:03
Speaker
As far as Dragon Age, guys, but why let's go ahead and do this. This will be fun. um no spoil No spoilers or anything. Let's go ahead and rank the Dragon Age games from worst to best now that we've played them all. Locke, why don't you start us off? What do you think is from worst to best, right? Yeah, four to one.
00:07:20
Speaker
Okay, four is for me, Inquisition, three is to Vilgard, two is two, and one is Origins. Okay, okay, I think that's pretty solid. What what about you, Sensei? It's the same for me, Inquisition, Vilgard, two, and then one. Okay, that's pretty good. For me, I'm gonna say, Inquisition,
00:07:45
Speaker
It's the same. It's the same. card two and yeah But it's so close, honestly, between Inquisition and Veilguard, because i I really liked Inquisition as well. um But I do think the Veilguard was better. I love the graphics were phenomenal. yeah Talk about some pros. Let's talk about the pros. The graphics were phenomenal, like the environmental effects.
00:08:07
Speaker
yeah um The combat was insanely fun to play, like that action combat. Like when I ran into enemies, especially for the first 70% of it, I was actually excited um to get into combat. I'm like, oh, I'm about to about to mess these people up. you know um Towards the end, it did start to you know drag a little bit because you're just like, all right, I've been playing this game now for 60 hours. you know um But it was it was a great combat. um And I enjoyed the story overall for the most part.
00:08:33
Speaker
and What would you say? What would you guys say some ah some pros are you thought? You want to go first look? Oh, yeah good go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I think one of the good pros is that um I feel like this Dragon Age opened up a lot more lore than I feel like with Inquisition. Inquisition, it felt like
Pros of the Latest Dragon Age Game
00:08:51
Speaker
I want to say that they somewhat tacked on, but I had to replay the game again. I didn't do it too much because I had issues like I thought the pacing was bad.
00:08:59
Speaker
But the graphics as well, I thought was like astronomical. In terms of like a Bioware game, because you know, Bioware has not always been like a graphics first type of company. They always been like more of an art style. And you can tell that with like Dragon Age 2 or like Mass Effect. It always been like an art style type of company. So going from there to Dragon Age Belgard is really insane. And I also think that this is the best character customization they had in years because I played through origin. I played through origins and I played through Dragon Age 2 and lock. Midnight can tell you I have been making trying to make a black character in Dragon Age origins. And it's like, man, can I have some hairstyles? It's like, no, man, go ahead and put them corn rolls on there. Like, oh, Jesus.
00:09:48
Speaker
They just give you the standard two options, like an afro and support. Afro and support. I'm saying, no. I'm saying, well, that's how you know it's no time spent. Well, other than that, character customization, gameplay, the ah story, and the lore is really what did it for me. Yeah. What about you, Locke? Well, I thought, especially the hair physics in this game were incredible.
00:10:13
Speaker
um but I gave my, I made my, my Rook to look like Thor because I thought that would be funny as like a, I played like a warrior, a great war and ah warrior. So I made Thor and the hair physics were so cool. Cause every time he did some actually thinking a cut scene could see like his high entire hair whip around them. It was really cool. I really, I really liked the hair physics, but also the art style. A lot of people had a problem with it because from that initial trailer, it did look in that initial trailer, like a, a, a Fortnite kind of art style.
00:10:44
Speaker
But it really wasn't. It was a unique art style that they had here. And did the dimensions of the bodies and the heads on the bodies wasn't wasn't like accurate. But that made it good, I think. That made it distinct. That made it different from other games. So I really thought the art style was amazing. Probably the best out of all four Dragon Age games.
00:11:02
Speaker
to me as well. um I thought the combat at first wasn't hitting for me. I was playing as a mage at first. I think maybe now you played a mage too. What do you play as ah a sensitive hero? I play this rogue. Oh, cool. Okay. So we had three different three three different perspectives then. Because I switched from me from a mage to a warrior. And as soon as I got to warrior, I was like, okay, this is cool. Because I could throw my shield and be a little bit more inside of the action instead of doing it from from far away. So once I switched to to Warrior, I was really excited to get in every combat scenario. But like you already said, Midnight, I think that was a great point. After a while, I would say after 30 to 40 hours, your skill tree is basically maxed out because you already know what you're going to pick.
00:11:47
Speaker
And after that, it's kind of like going through the motions. Like I was just throwing my shield every time and it would just go, Captain America style, everybody's dead, okay. Next. um But yeah, I really enjoyed the combat too. i thought I thought that was one of the highlights of the game. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. You guys want to get into some cons? Should we do that? Sure.
00:12:08
Speaker
All right, let's also go ahead and start it off, I guess. with So with the cons here, um I would say, obviously, let's go ahead and address the big elephant in the room, the big topic that people hate. This game was the target of a serious hate campaign from the anti-woke crowd because this game had a lot of trans stuff in it. A lot of people aren't fans of trans stuff, which I understand. um I'm not the most, the biggest fan of all time of trans stuff, but I still I love the game and I enjoyed the game anyway. Of course, they have Tash, which is a character and she is non binary. Later in the game starts out as she. But later in the game, she's like, i' you know, I want to be identified as they them. And of course, people ran with that. There was two main scenes. There's the push up scenes. And then there was the one in the
Game Reception and Controversies
00:12:55
Speaker
mirror at the start where it was like, you can you can set up a trans identity or whatever that everybody ran with.
00:13:00
Speaker
um So that I would say was a con the fact that that existed opened up a serious target on the game that really blemished it I feel like if that wasn't in there the reception would have been way more positive and they probably would have sold a lot more copies um Yeah, what do you got? What did you guys think about all that?
00:13:21
Speaker
go Go ahead, go ahead. I'll just call it on you guys. Yes, I have my grievances with Taj when they first revealed her. you know I get that they were trying to make her into more like Karla from models gate three. Because I think like her dynamic, you know she's like this strong muscle woman. And she's basically like Wonder Woman or something. People are like, yeah, pick me up, Bobby, or whatever. And then they try to basically push it toward Taj. And you know I think Taj in terms of like, her backstory is somewhat interesting, how she, you know, I'll not get into spoilers, I almost spoiled it for you. But I think Tush is somewhat of an interesting character, you know, on the surface. But I think when you start to delve deep into it and then they start getting to like the politics of it, it starts creating like a somewhat like, eh, I don't think you probably should have put it in there. I think that they probably could have written it way better
00:14:16
Speaker
Because I always think of Baldur's Gate 3, and there's like some trans characters that's in the game. And a lot of people, they're just like, oh, this person was trans. I'm like, yeah, you probably didn't know because it was really good writing. and They don't really out split to say, hey, I'm this blah, blah, blah. Whereas Todd, she's just like, yeah, this is who I am. Deal with it. It's just like she keeps breaking it up. And it's like, all right, whatever.
00:14:43
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I thought I agree, but I thought Tash's writing was so bad that it actually made me laugh. I kept bringing Tash with me because she kept making me laugh because it was so stupid. The things he would yell out because it's such a dumb character. um Not because she's non-binary, but just the way that she's written. She's like an idiot. um So every time anything happened in the game, she would just interject with something stupid. She was like, what's going on out of nowhere? where It's like a catchphrase shouting sitcom character, which was really funny. In the beginning, it really annoyed me. But after a while, I was like, Oh, I got to bring her I got to see what her reaction to this will be. um And it never failed. um I think the woke stuff. I already said it on um LSM on summon sign too. So I won't get into the the entire thing again. I think it's way
00:15:32
Speaker
it it People were way, way overreacting to it in here. Because like you said, the trans stuff, there's one mirror in it, that's it. yeah what i could i kind of There's a couple of side characters that are trans, who cares? i' Nobody gives a shit. But the writing, the writing was the problem. Like the writing in this game at oftentimes wasn't good, but the lore was so amazing. yeah So I think i don't I don't understand why they put it in there. Like they they hurt actively hurt themselves. like
00:16:03
Speaker
Like what's happening with the vote right now too. It's the exact same thing. um Why? Why do you do it that? Why would you sabotage your own game like that? It didn't... I mean, I guess it's important for the director. um I forgot her name, Corinne Bush, I think. right Because she's ah she's trans too. So it was probably like very important for her to be in it.
00:16:24
Speaker
And I get that, but then then you also get the result that you that you that you that you barter for. So it's hard to feel sorry for them, um which is a ah bad thing to say, maybe, but they did it they did it themselves. um Of course, the other side went way overboard as well. There was way too much hate for no reason, really. because the game is I've played way woker games than this, like Spider-Man 2, for instance. But Spider-Man 2, to me, was way more woke than Dragon Age of Vilgard.
00:16:51
Speaker
um but yeah three Yeah, yeah, that's another another example too. But the writing in those games, well, not Spider-Man, but the writing in Baldur's Gate 3 was so exceptional, like you already said, that it didn't really bother anyone. While here, it's like front and center constantly. So I think I personally think a lot of those people who had problems with it,
Spoiler Discussion: Plot Twists
00:17:11
Speaker
if you just laugh at it, it becomes funny. It's like a funny scene with Taj. So just maybe maybe look at it that way. I don't know. Yeah.
00:17:20
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It's really been overblown. This game is super hated. You know, I'm an old man, so I'm still on Facebook from time to time. um And one thing that always happens on Facebook is when people hate when they hate something, they leave like the little laughing face emoji on it. yeah um And every single Dragon Age post that I've seen in the last like two, three months, ever since this stuff came out, it's just flooded with everybody laughing at it. Like it's just everybody hates and shits on this game. They're like this game. sucks, horrible writing, gay woke stuff, like it's crazy. And it's it's really unfair, um but also self inflicted because they did it to themselves. But the game deserves a much better shake, I feel like for the quality of the actual game itself. yeah If you if you can just put aside those two scenes or whatever, ah you know, two, three scenes that are really short in a 60 plus hour game in the the long run.
00:18:12
Speaker
Um, all right. I say it's time to go ahead and get into some spoilers. What do you guys think? Sure. Sure. Sure. Well, let's go ahead. Go ahead. You got something? Yes. Well, are we going to spoilers first? Because I want to start off with something here in the spoiler territory. Yeah. Yeah. If I went into spoilers, let's go. Yeah. Okay. All right, guys, you've been warned from here on out. It is spoilers. So if you haven't played the game and you don't want to be spoiler spoiled, come back later and check this out if you want, because here we go. Lockmort, what you got?
00:18:42
Speaker
I went I went to film school right and I went to film school two or three years after this or well maybe a little bit longer maybe five or six years after the sixth sense came out right so when I went to film school it was very popular in every short student movie to have your main character be dead from the beginning wow And the the main thing you could tell when people did that was that he didn't interact with anyone. So he was sitting at a restaurant and the waiters would come by. So in this game, as soon as very woke up and nobody acknowledged him for the entire game, I was like, God damn it, they're doing it. They're but doing it right here. they They can't be this stupid. Like that they can't do it this way. That would be so fucking bad. And then they did it. And the review when that happened, I was like, OK,
00:19:26
Speaker
I'm I have to dock like a full point off this game now because that is terrible writing. Yeah, that is terrible writing.
Character Evaluation
00:19:32
Speaker
So you saw it coming dude from the second very quick up and he was talking to Rook and then I think who walked into the room? I think me. Oh, Harding. Yeah. she completely ignored him She didn't mention him. She didn't tell ah didn't look at him didn't say anything. I was like, Oh, he's dead.
00:19:48
Speaker
He's dead. And then every scene he was in, he only talked to Rook. Even if there were other people around them, they he only talked to Rook. And every time Vera came up, nobody really acknowledged him or what happened. So I was like, yeah.
00:20:01
Speaker
He's obviously, obviously he's dead. Did you guys see that coming or or not? Or is that like a stupid film quirk that just annoys me too much or sensei? No, I saw it coming. Like it was obvious like the way hard and walked in there. It's just like, all right, Barry's over here like, oh my goodness, my heart, my soul, my body, my neck and my back. And then like nobody acknowledged that the guy's a rookie. He's just like, he's like, yeah, Eric, are you OK? And the heart is like, Rook, you're needed in like the watch table.
00:20:30
Speaker
It's like, Barry doesn't even talk to Hardin neither. So that's just like, nobody's not going to acknowledge us. Okay. And then you just keep journeying on. And it's just like there was um that one scene around the round table, everybody was arguing. And he's just like, guys, let's keep calm. And then like, nobody acknowledges itself, Brooke. He's like, don't worry, Eric, I got this. it's like Yeah. like know Nobody like mentioned, like, Brooke, why are you talking to yourself? Like,
00:20:54
Speaker
I just thought it was just odd. i mean In that same scene, everyone was sitting, except for Varick. He was just standing next next to Rook, just looking at him, like nodding. Very, yeah, very weird. um yeah You know, I didn't see it coming actually. ah Although I did start to suspect that something was amiss because he wasn't doing shit for the whole game. I was like, I was like, dude, how long is he going to be laying up in bed? Like he's not going to help at all on any of these missions. Like the world's ending and he's just chilling. I started to kind of suspect that something was amiss, um but I didn't completely get it because obviously not only was he talking to Rook, but I swear there were times where it almost seemed like he was or other people were talking to him, but not like completely directly.
00:21:34
Speaker
Um, like it was done in such a way where it almost seemed like he was there, but he wasn't there. Um, so it, it kind of, I was, I was a little suspicious towards the end there. Um, but I didn't completely see it coming. I never was like, Oh yeah, he's dead until right when they, right when they were making the reveal, like right when they were about to do it, I clicked. I was like, Oh wait, he's dead. Isn't he? And then they were like, he's dead. I'm like, Oh damn.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah, so they pulled a they pulled a I'm not gonna spoil a movie honest, but uh, oh shit, maybe I did sorry But but what why do you think they did this though? Cuz I think it would have emotionally hit way harder if he was actually dead from the beginning You were like, oh shit. Everyone can die now. That would have been way cooler to me than what they did here. um I Don't know why they did that where they're they don't they were too scared to kill off a beloved character like that. I um I'm not sure. Like so early into the game, maybe they were worried about the backlash from another very popular game where they killed off a main character early on. And there was a huge backlash on that. I don't know that there would have been backlash like that. But people love Varric. So, you know, and also you had Solas, he was like, you know, tell Varric I feel bad. Yeah, oh, that's that was another hint. Yeah, right at the start. Yeah. Yeah. Well, can I also say this? I know people say that Varric is a popular character, but do you feel like
00:22:53
Speaker
there would have been probably more backlash if they included like Morgan in a death or so. Yeah. Cause you know, I always feel like when people say Varric is a popular character, I never felt that personally. I feel like he's pretty much an okay character, but I always felt like Morgan was like literally like the fan favorite, especially since she's like,
00:23:14
Speaker
in Dragon Age 1. I think she's mentioned it too with Flemeth and stuff. And then you got her an Inquisition, where it's like, Varric, he's just like, yeah, let me tell you a tale ah about the time I went to the LEGO store. And it's like, OK, cool. Like, other than that, I don't really feel like there's nothing else that would put him at, like, number one over, like, Morgan or Ileana or, like, Alistair or so.
00:23:38
Speaker
That was the weird thing, right? Like, why is he suddenly so important? Like, in Dragon Age 2, in Inquisition, he was just there. He was like, okay, part of the crew. But now he's like the leader. He's like the savior of the world. Like, why? what what why Why is it him? And why did he be there? yeah they they He's been there for so long, that's why he's important. This is he's the guy yeah they're like this is the guy who can assemble a team, who can get the job done, who can like break it to a bank vault and then get it out without nobody knowing. It's just like,
00:24:06
Speaker
Where did this come from? Morgan is definitely the fan favorite for everyone. Everyone loves Morgan. day Everybody's first waifu was Morgan in Dragon Age origin, let's be honest. it works Everybody smashed Morgan first. all right There might be some you know crazy, basic sims out there who went for Liliana. Morgan was definitely the hot goth mommy that you needed. you know what i mean so I love her.
00:24:34
Speaker
She's great. ah My two favorite Dragon Age characters actually of all time are Morgan and Solas. I love so I'm a soloist. I love soloist. He's such an awesome, deep, flawed, but but cool character. So this this really was a great game for me because it was really all about solace and it featured Morgan a bit. I wish Morgan was in it more. Well, and and that she was actually Morgan because for some reason they decided she's not Morgan anymore.
Romance Choices Discussion
00:25:03
Speaker
But yeah, yeah.
00:25:04
Speaker
She didn't have that sarcastic tone that she had in like Dragon Age 1, Inquisition. Yeah, she was suddenly like the wise, wise old woman, a lot of nowhere too. Like, well, she already was in Inquisition, I guess. um Yeah, it's like, I want to say she had like that. um Have you guys ever played Metro before? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Have you played Metro? You haven't? Are you playing on playing at midnight?
00:25:26
Speaker
No. All right. So, Locke, you know what I mean when, you know, like, at last, like, RTM meets Anya, right? And she's like this battle-strong lady. She's just like, oh, screw, man. And you can't tell me, right? And then you go to, as of this, she's just like this calm and domesticated woman. She's just like, oh, you want some, you want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, honey? And it's just like,
00:25:47
Speaker
where What happened? What happened to this? Yeah, I'm about to shoot this ghoul from like two miles away. And then you just like, yeah, I'll have the um the laundry done by the time you get home. And like that's what I felt happened to Moria. I was like, I guess in my hero Pharrell, then like smashed her to the point to where she's just like, yeah, I'm just very calm. I'm not being sarcastic anymore. I'm just like, yeah, yeah like, how's everybody doing? Yeah, no, exactly. It was also a little bit jarring that she knew everything.
00:26:17
Speaker
Like, why? Well, I guess why they explain why she knows it. Well, there is a plot reason for that, but we find out later. That's true. But then I think because of that plot reason, she also should have known that in Inquisition, but she didn't. So it doesn't really make much sense that she suddenly became, what's her name again? Mirthal? Yeah, Mirthal. Mirthal, yeah.
00:26:39
Speaker
So but well, I guess it does make sense because that happens at the end of Inquisition or in Trespasser. But it was just really weird to have her in here and and not be herself. like And also, I also think that that kind of bother me is the lack of cameos altogether in this. I want to see you I wanted to see way more of them. I wanted to see Cassandra. I guess Dorian was in it. But Dorian was in it. Yeah. Who cares really? No one cares about Dorian. He was there and he's gone. And it's just like, well, why did you even include him in there?
00:27:08
Speaker
yeah did Yeah, Morgan was more myth all than Morgan really. Yeah, she was. So cool though. Didn't you guys think because after Inquisition Cassandra was so important in Inquisition, like I was sure she was she was going to be in this one. Wouldn't I would have loved to have her like a scene with her and Varric or her mourning over Varric or something. but Mm hmm. That would have been cool. Maybe they were planning stuff like this for the DLC, which has now been canceled because of the reception. So who knows? um Let's go and talk about the characters while we're here. We're kind of talking adjacently. um What did you guys think of the characters? Who was your favorite character? Who was your least favorite and why? Good luck.
00:27:47
Speaker
um My favorite was and out of the the the characters that out of your companions, let's say or in total of the whole game the whole game Well, my favorite was my rook. My rook was my favorite character because he was like I played him um or like I like how I would play as Rook. But um I also recognize that a lot of people didn't like Rook because he's like, you couldn't really choose what he was like. He was always the nice guy. He was always the funny guy. He was always the the hero, let's say. um So I would have played him like this anyway. So to me, he was awesome. He was funny. He was exactly like how I would have played him. But I know Maddie, for instance, likes to play like more evil characters. And you couldn't do that here. um So to them, he was like a a miscast. But out of the
00:28:32
Speaker
companions, I would say Emrick was my favorite. I really liked Emrick. Okay, okay. Manfred, of course. yeah So who was your least favorite as well? Oh, that's my least favorite. I think Dev Devron was kind of boring to me. um Because there wasn't really much to him. I thought Harding was pretty okay. But again, it's another case of like a minor character suddenly being super important out of nowhere. um yeah Harding was way more important in this game than she ever deserved to be, I guess, but yeah it was pretty cool having her there. um My least favorite, probably, i'm i'm I'm going to have to say Bellaria, I think, because she was just so
00:29:16
Speaker
She was so yeah so quirky, but quirky in like a Marvel way and not in ah in a good way. like I wanted her story to be more tragic, so you could you could understand why she was quirky or maybe have like a dark twist to it, but she was just very one-note, happy-go-lucky, which is not something that that belongs in Dragon Age, I think. But I think none of them were like ultimately super bad. I just i connected with Emric or Manfred the most, because it made me laugh.
00:29:41
Speaker
yeah but yeah um What about you Sensei? Favorite and least favorite and overall character thoughts? My favorite, I'm going to go with what Locke said. My favorite is Rook. My Rook was like a battle strong dude. He just took like, hey guys, like I know you guys are dealing with some personal issues, like cut the bullshit. Let's just keep it moving. Like we have like a whole world to save and you guys are over here bickering over like, oh, who took the last pie out the refrigerator? Like, yeah come on now.
00:30:09
Speaker
So I did like the fact that, and I agree with it, I felt like you could have been more evil in the game. But I mean, when I was playing through some of the Dragon Ages this ah past year before Vail Guard, I have noticed that even though you did have evil choices, it didn't really feel like they were somewhat evil. It's just like, oh, instead of me just going the extra mile to help out somebody, I'm just about to just brush it to the side so I can just get to my goal.
00:30:35
Speaker
And that's what it kind of felt like, you know, where as opposed to like Baldur's Gate Theory, like you do some evil, you actually change like the whole landscape, the world, ah characters die off. And I think that's a very step now compared to most other RPGs that I've played. Who else? I'm gonna go with...
00:30:55
Speaker
I say Daverin. I like Daverin a lot. That's different from what Locke has said. So the reason why I put Daverin up there is because there was the side quest where he did, and especially after you get to a certain point in the main quest, where he starts to reflect, especially since he's a great warden. For him being a great warden, their duty is, hey, just kill the, um what do they call it, the blight demon or so? Arched demon. Kill the arched demon, you die, and then that's it.
00:31:24
Speaker
With him, he just felt so conflicted because he felt like he was supposed to die at that point. He's just his whole thing was just, I want to die. I should be dead. I should not be alive. This is the Great War and Cold. So seeing him conflict with everything, it kind of made me like, huh, I wonder if that's how, like, my hero Ferelden had felt after the Deep Answer Dragon Age origins. And that's what made me start to like him more. um Third, I would say, American Manfred, like you said, funny.
00:31:52
Speaker
um Fourth, if I want to say, I actually like Balari. I think she's kind of cool. And I did like the dynamic between her and when she actually does get to interact with the gods. I think there is a very interesting dynamic that I wish we had a chance to see how more Aels would react to. What else? Number five. Number five was a Harden.
00:32:16
Speaker
um And I forgot about Lucanis. I keep forgetting about him. Lucanis is somewhat cool. um And I say my last, my least favorite is probably like Nev and Tash. Nev, I felt, I don't think Nev is a backyard. It's just her line delivery comes off as very flat. So it just makes me seem like she's not interested in being here. So it's just like, well, I'm not interested in talking to you neither. So. and look I think we both forgot one, because I think you'll agree with this ah Solus.
00:32:46
Speaker
Oh, so that's what I was about to get into. Oh, too don't go ahead. Sorry. No, you're fine. As you can say, my favorite character in the whole game, it was soulless. I love soulless. He's awesome. He's the main character in this game. Basically, besides Rook, um he's the antagonist, if you will. But also, um you know, he's got a good heart.
Story and Lore Analysis
00:33:06
Speaker
at the end of the day. um And I got the good ending. We'll get to the ending later. So we'll get into that. But I got the good ending with Solas, of course. so I was happy about that. um My least favorite um was probably, probably Ballara as well, ah or Lucanus. um They were both like, Lucanus was all right. You know, he was cool with the battling his demon um and stuff. And he was a good fighter. But I didn't really care as much about him. And also, he was the most Fortnite ah-looking character. Like, his face really looked like Fortnite art style for some reason. I don't know why. Like, way more than other people. Like, way more than Harding and stuff. So that was a bit weird. um But yeah, you know, Balara was a little bit annoying. um Her little character arc was pretty cool, though, with her brother. And it did get slightly dark there, because she lost her brother again, basically. um You know, he made the right choice at the end, but it cost him at all.
00:33:56
Speaker
um So yeah, I think that's what I would say about the characters. Did, can I ask you a question? Did that annoy you with the brother? Because as soon as she met, that's my whole problem with this entire game, really. As soon as something gets mentioned, you know, oh, that's going to be the, that's going to be the bad guy in this story. Like as soon as she said, I had a brother who died. It's like, okay, your brother. And that happened with basically every character, um, something like that, something to that vein. So did that, did that annoy you guys or, or or not really?
00:34:27
Speaker
Well, it's just a side story. um Sure. Yeah, for me, I mean, it's just like, ah I think I watched so many movies and TV shows, just like, Oh, yeah, the brother, you know, turned to the dark side. And it's just like, yeah ah we got to go save him. And then you like, we can't save him. He's too far gone. And it's just like, yeah That figures, yeah. That's surprising. They took a lot of tropes. I guess, like you said, when you had Dio, went to film school or so. Yeah. They they took a lot of like easy go-tros that probably would have been better back then, like 10 or 12 years ago. But now it's just like, you got to change it up, man. You got you gotta to switch all this up.
00:35:08
Speaker
Yeah. All right. All right. Um, let's stick to character adjacency. Now let's talk about the romance in the game here. Um, who did you guys end up romancing? Um, and any thoughts about that? Uh, Sensei. I romance Ballora. I think out of everybody else, I liked her the most. I like, I like for me, my type of girl, I like the quirky girls. Uh, that's just my type. It would have been nev if she had better line delivery, then I would have been like, Oh, okay. I see it.
00:35:39
Speaker
But for me, I say Balara, I mean, it is her character design is cool. I also liked her kid, but I also like how um when it did come to the romance, she was just like so conflicted because she'd never been in a romance because she's afraid of like losing them. And she's trying to go through her nose. She's trying to pick out, all right, maybe I should you know tell him this. And she's constantly going through notes when she's talking to my rook. And I was just like, oh, that's pretty cute.
00:36:07
Speaker
I like that. So I think out of everybody I wanted to romance, I think Valara was the number one pick for me. Right on. Right on. How about you, Lock? I picked leave, but only because I didn't really have another option.
00:36:22
Speaker
um i um I mean, I always play as like a straight guy in these games because I'm a straight guy. I don't really play women in games. Maybe I should, maybe that's like a fun little thing to do like a second play through in this and play, it play like a woman. that That should be cool. I guess I still want to play through mass effect is like femme chef. That seems like so different, so cool. So I still want to do that. But in this game, I played like a straight but myself, basically. um So I had to go with me if there was no other option. So did I enjoy her personality? No, not really. Did I think her lines were amazing?
00:36:53
Speaker
No, not really. But again, she, I mean, she looked the best at me out of all the two characters I could pick. So I, I picked her. I thought the romance was pretty well done. And I thought it was, it was fine. It wasn't really like the main focus of the game to me, but I thought it was.
00:37:07
Speaker
It wasn't like in Baldur's Gate 3 where it's handled perfectly, but here it was okay. It was still fun. Yeah. What about you? I liked that they included it, but they didn't do the best job ever. The choices as you're playing as a straight man, like I did as well, because that's what I am. um that We're not the best. I also went with Neve. Neve, she's the best of the female ones. You know, Ballara, again, kind of annoying. I wasn't going to date her.
00:37:35
Speaker
Carding also kind of annoying, honestly, a little bit. I'm not going to date her. um And then then there's Tash, and like I'm not going to date Tash. Even though Tash is a female, biologically, I'm not going to date someone like that. so um i did It's funny, though. She almost would have been number two, but there was no way I was going to do that. Neb was a clear choice, for sure. So I romanced Neb. I thought she was pretty cool. um I thought it was cool how she called you trouble.
00:38:02
Speaker
That was her little sweet word for you. You were trouble. um She was cool. you know She was the best looking one of the group. So she had to get it. I do wish that there was more takes than asked. There should have been more T&A, more nudity, more actual sex. like We need more Baldur's Gate style action. Bioware, step it up. But at least they actually included it, unlike many games. So shout out to that. All right. ah Let's go ahead and get into the story now. Let's do it.
00:38:30
Speaker
So let's talk about the story. So the main and overarching story is that in the beginning of the game, we stop Solas from bringing down the veil. He wants to bring down the veil to kind of restore the elves how they used to be, I guess. um And we stop him. But as a result of us stopping him, he gets like imprisoned um and two elder or elven gods, what Elganon and Gilanane, I think, yeah get released. And they're evil, of course. And they're going to destroy the world. So we have to stop them. That's basically the setup. You got Solas trapped, and you kind of can talk to him in your dreams. And he's trying to help you because he wants to get out and he wants to stop them. um And you're going up against Elganan and Ghilanaine. What did you guys think of just the overall story? um Did you guys enjoy it?
00:39:18
Speaker
How much did you enjoy it? Black. Well, the lore is of course amazing. Behind Dragon Age and behind Solas. I just think I was a little bit or very much disappointed actually with the execution here. Because I wanted those two gods to be really menacing and to be smart and cunning like Solas is.
00:39:37
Speaker
But they weren't really, they were like typical bad guys who had like a plan, but their plan was just to convince like the evil subgroup from every city, join us for no reason. And then they did. And I mean, it would have been so cool if they were cutting like sodas in it, like a ah beautiful plan to form like an
Key Choices and Game Impact
00:39:55
Speaker
a new world or a new vision in in their own way and make it beautiful instead of like ugly, like the blight. is It's such an ugly thing. Like why would they want that? That doesn't make much sense to me. So I thought the bad guys were okay. Did you guys see like the secret ending after the credits? Yeah, I did. Was that the council thing? those yeah watchers ah yeah That Yeah. Those should have been the bad guys in this game. Yeah, they should have. Yeah, that would have been a lot cooler. Yeah, like when they whisper when you saw low game, that was the one
00:40:26
Speaker
Point in the game where I was like oh shit like you do you see him like you you saw a low game there So that's what I figured well this this would have been awesome if that was this game But it's not and we're not getting another one I think so or not for a long time anyway So I thought I thought the main story was good everything every scene with Solas was very awesome I think those were my favorite season. even I love so I'm such a soulless simp. Yeah, there was no chance There was no point in in any in my mind at any point in this game that I was not going to side with and help solace because that's my boy. Yeah. No, I was totally I'm going to believe whatever he tells me and I'm going to because I want I want to believe him. I want him to be good and I want to save him because that's my boy. Love solace him and Morgan best two characters ever in Dragon Age, but you got you got fucked over them by him. No, I got the good ending. We'll get into the ending. Okay. Okay. We'll save that towards the end.
00:41:16
Speaker
Sure. um I got the good ending. i So I didn't really get fucked over. so We'll talk about it though. um Sensei, story thoughts, yeah general. I thought the story was somewhat decent. I think Act One, I want to say what that one, it felt like they were just trying to build up everything, like make sure you you know recap on the lore and everything else. And I guess you know they were trying to appeal to more of the newcomers or so to Dragon Age series. So to me, I was just like, i'm like let's go ahead and get this out of the way. Let's just go ahead and kick it off a notch. Then you get to the fort.
00:41:54
Speaker
And that's when I'm like, okay, now this is where it starts getting good. And then from at two, it starts getting, it goes up and down. It feels like, oh yeah, we need to stop these people. But it's like, wait, before you do that, we gotta solve everybody's issues. And it's just like, what? And it can't beat you over the head. And Barry's like, you know, Rook, before you do before you even think about going over there to do that side quiz, maybe you should like help out your team with that personal issue.
00:42:24
Speaker
You know, Balar is thinking about her brother, Emrick is over there thinking about his books. We need to do this but before we even go to the main quiz. And it's just like, okay, I get it. I get it. You don't have to dumb down and say, hey, let's do this. Let's do this. Let's do this. And it's like, relax.
00:42:41
Speaker
relax a bit and then you go to add three and then I was just like at three I was just like whoa this is definitely the Mass Effect 2 like type of setting and I wish they had more I felt like I wish they had more of a mythol Mythal in terms of like the choices because you know I don't know how you guys handle your Mythals because there's different outcomes for how Mythal would interact with you and how she would you would either get her essence or you wouldn't. So how did you guys do it for you guys play through if you got to that? Did you guys get through it at all? I fought her. she was She was being really annoying to me. So during during that questionnaire with
00:43:22
Speaker
what you have with her you have to pick like the right answers or she will side against you at the last question i was so pissed off with her that i said okay i'm gonna attack you now so i did and then you you had to fight like a huge dragon like a level 40 or level 50 dragon which was really cool i i love that fight um What do you what do you guys think of those endgame fights like those level forty level fifty fights cuz they weren't really a problem to me. By then your build is so far so far ahead that even if there's ah an enemy that's like ten levels ahead of you you just. The time runs out that eventually so you can just keep away at the at the thing and if you have like two years with you.
00:43:59
Speaker
you're You're fine. I can tell you. Oh, I'm sorry. well No, no, no. So so I fought her. That's my answer. Sorry. Oh, so I can tell you right now in terms of the bill. I'm not sure if they went too in depth with it. And level 28 as a rogue and I picked like the poison damage. Apparently you can stack it up and level 28. I was fighting like level 45 and I was winning them like five minutes.
00:44:23
Speaker
And like I did like that you know I can just go in and just start storming them. But then when I kept on going to the other bosses, it's like, dang, another dragon. Another dragon. And they always like, do they change up the moveset? Nope. you know Get close, swipe. The other one, just go up on the ledge and just breathe fire. It's like, what?
00:44:39
Speaker
What's going on? But in terms of the myth, I did like the fact that if you chose the right answer, she would either come with you. ah There was one one of my friends said he chose like a lot of bad answers and she was just proposed to fight. But another friend said that he was um he chose some answers and it left her somewhat conflicted. And he was trying to still trying to talk her down. And she just ended up leaving.
00:45:03
Speaker
So I thought that that was actually pretty interesting. Yeah. So I was like, that's what I felt like we needed more of. We needed more of like those choices and dynamics, not with like the main story, but with also the side quests. And I felt like if they did more of that, it would have been turning out way better.
00:45:21
Speaker
We needed more of the at three and we needed more of at two, in my opinion, for the story. yeah that's Yeah. So for me there with my thought, the first time I pulled up because Morgan said she doesn't like you to kiss her ass. That's what Morgan told you. So the first, when I first pulled up, I said like, this is a waste of my, of my time. And we immediately fought and I killed her. But then I was like, and then I was like, well, that's a little weird
Final Missions and Outcomes
00:45:44
Speaker
though. So I reloaded my save and then I tried talking to her. um And then I was able to very easily, the first try, um I was able to just like convince her to help me. And she gave me her essence and stuff. And she gives you a weapon too. It was pretty easy. Basically the way I convinced her was saying that like humans are good and we're going to save people. And then she's like, yeah, but not really. And I was like, yeah, well, look at Nev. She fights for Docktown. And she was like, oh, okay. Yeah, cool. I'll come with you. Nev is good. That was like, oh, okay.
00:46:10
Speaker
um So yeah, that's how I handled that. um Let's go ahead and get into some of the choices. I've got notes here. um So the first big choice in the game is when you have the dragons attacking two cities at once, and you have to choose whether you're going to basically help Neve and Docktown, or you're going to help Lucanas. And what was that city? It starts with an A, right? Trevizo. Midrathis. Well, you said Neve or Lucanas.
00:46:34
Speaker
Oh, and Rothas was nav, right? Yeah. yeah i'm drinking So yeah jordan you come yeah. Which one did you guys choose? Sensei? I chose Treviso. I like Treviso. Treviso was a very nice city. And it's like, and I felt like it definitely played into like the uneven crows dynamic of like, you know, we are the crows. And you know what the crows mean? It means death. And it's just like,
00:46:57
Speaker
Huh, that's pretty interesting. And then you just look at the city, it's just like covered in darkness. Like, okay, Batman, like, let's calm down a little bit. They making it a bit like Gotham City, but I saved Treviso opposed to Minrathis. Okay, okay. What about you, Locke? I did the opposite. I saved Minrathis.
00:47:15
Speaker
I will say this was the point in the game where I realized, uh-oh, this is why people don't like this game. Because in a good RPG, you don't get presented with a label, save this city or to save this city. That was really weird to me that they gave you like binary options. So either do this or you do this. Like, no, it has to come organically.
00:47:34
Speaker
So when this came up, I was like, oh, well, maybe that's not the way to do it here. But I went for me matters. And I am very curious to hear from you and say what the difference was between our two playthroughs, because I still don't really get what the difference was in my play through. Luke Collins was like a bit annoyed for like half the game. And then he wasn't anymore. Did that happen with me? You know, it pretty much the same. She was just like, oh, I see that, you know, you want to help out my wrath is when, you know, you need something. It's just like.
00:48:03
Speaker
well i can't i don't have the choice to help out you both so yeah Yeah, like the city that you don't help gets blighted. yeah So you have like you have to clear out the map again and like do some quests to kind of get on their good side. You have to put in more work to get on their good side. um But nobody really dies from it. There's not like and yeah yeah, I did notice that a lot of times they do kind of put like kid gloves on the choices like they do put like the label like this will happen if you do this and this will happen if you do that. And it probably would have been better if it was more like adult RPG where it's like you just see what happens like have not to have them tell you. um But still,
00:48:37
Speaker
pretty cool. I also I went with Doc Town because I was trying to smash Neve. So that's why I picked it. I was like, you know, I got to help her. That's gonna be my romance. You know, I don't care about Lucanus and his Fortnite skin, you know, although he was cool. I liked him. But before that, there was another choice. I don't know if you if you realize this, ah because a lot of people didn't. Did any of you play as a Grey Warden?
00:49:02
Speaker
No, no. Well, I played as a great warden and when you get to the metas crossing, you know, the the blighted town, you get get to interact with the mayor at the end, right? You can choose. like Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can kill him or you can keep him alive. But since I was a great warden, I see i also had the option to make him a great warden. So I did. And then very much later in the game, when you get to the wetlands, what's it called? Hawk?
00:49:23
Speaker
Hawklands, Wetlandsource, whatever. He's there. He's there and he has his own quest there. So there are little choices that come back, but that's the only time I encountered that. So did you guys notice that too with your class choice that there were little choices like that? And and what was that like? like Yeah, I mean actually that's funny you mentioned that let's talk about that because on that I made a choice on that I didn't have the great warden choice the choice I had was to Was it kill him or leave him or let him go or leave him? I chose to leave him there because I was like fuck this dude He's a piece of shit. He can stay there and die and I actually did run into him later as a result There was a quest in one of the cities. I think it was traviso maybe ah some city where
00:50:06
Speaker
people were being killed. um So you had to go down and find the monster that was killing them. um And you had to like solve like four or five different killings. And then finally, you find out who who was it. And it was the mayor, he was blighted, he turned into like this blighted demon or whatever the mayor, and he killed a bunch of people in the city because you left him there. And then you had to fight and kill him. It was like a mini boss fight. um So that was kind of cool. Cool. Yeah. What happened with you sensei? Same thing or Yeah, same thing.
00:50:32
Speaker
yeah Yeah, we were both like, fuck this dude, he can ride. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, as far as I was a veil jumper, I didn't notice anything super major that came out of that other than that I knew the veil jumpers. I didn't have anything cool like make someone a Grey Ward and that would have been cool. Well, that that's what I mean. though I kind of want to replay this game as something else now because I think there are a lot of like subtle choices that you don't realize um that you can do.
00:50:58
Speaker
Like maybe you guys ran into something that you didn't even know was a choice like with this mayor stuff Um, I knew it was a choice because I made that choice as a great warden But I don't know anyone else who played like a great warden So nobody saw him show up in in that other zone and have him be a hero and we get it redemption So maybe in your case there were like scenarios like that too where you didn't really notice that it was different from from other people But but it was do you you think that's possible or or not likely I can say um When I was playing with the Antivan Crows, depending on like the choices that you do in the Antivan Crows, you get like the Antivan Crow option, dialogue option. And they actually give you more lore, but they also give you a different outcome as well for some of the ah choices. I think there was one in Treviso where it was about a a couple, I think it was a couple. It was a couple where one of them was a Antivan Crow and the other one was a,
00:51:54
Speaker
I forgot, what did they call the on the enemies? The human enemies, I forget what they called them. I forget, who cares? I forgot their names, but basically basically, they were lovers, right? And as an achievement crew, you know, their whole thing is like, they're not supposed to side with the enemy. And like, there's these- The Venatori? The Venatori, that's what they were. That's what they were. And so I had an achievement crew option where it was just like, instead of reporting them, just give them the heads up and just tell them to go.
00:52:23
Speaker
And that's what I did and they were just like, they were just like, huh, that's interesting that you did that. Cause you know, you basically voided our contract with that. And you know, even Crow always finishes that contract. They love saying that for some reason. Yeah. Nothing, think you know, there is some subtle differences, but I don't think it's that big as well. So. Okay.
00:52:46
Speaker
um Another choice that we had was early on at the end of act one if you will was the siege of ah the Grey Warden stronghold with ah the dickhead ah First Warden remember you had the choice of whether you were gonna punch him or talk him down now I chose to talk him down And he ended up like being like a ah hero sort of like he joined the cause and he had this little moment What did you guys go with?
00:53:10
Speaker
And Locke, did you have anything interesting as being a Grey Warden? Yes. Well, that was like a big part for my rook because he was a Grey Warden and I ran into that guy before um and he hated my rook. So they had like this little and antagonistic um relationship. I punched him out and took command of the Grey Warden. So my rook was was the commander at that point. But the interesting thing, what you just said, I never realized that this also happened in other places. Because I punched him out. And then later, at the end, he came back and had a like also had his little heroic moments. So it's once again, I think, an example of a choice that didn't really matter. Because both of our outcomes were the same.
00:53:47
Speaker
Okay. Okay. What did you do, Sensei? Man, I punched that dude in the light seven. I was like, I punched him out so bad. Because it's just like, did this dude was getting in my face. I'm like, dude, there's literally people dying. He's just like, all right, that's what it is. it's And I'm like, bro, look outside. And I was just like, you know what, I pushed his lights out. I was like, I hope you got a concussion. And then I was like, hey, I will search the first pockets hoping he had $20 in there.
00:54:13
Speaker
But after that, but it just got to the point where I was just like, OK, there's no point in talking you down. You already, you're firm on your stand. You stand at 10 toes down. So I was like, might as well just knock your lights on the Sunka man, because I can do better than what you're doing right now. You're saying, oh, I love my brothers and sisters. These are my gray warden family. And I'm like, I'm looking now outside. I'm like, you send these people to die. What's going on? They're just like, Sarge, help me out. It's like, no. like Go, good get out of here.
00:54:44
Speaker
Yep. All right. Were there any other like big meaningful choices that we want to get to before we get towards the ending? Which had a whole bunch and I got notes for each one. We'll get into it. Anything else we want to get to before we kind of cut towards the ending?
00:54:59
Speaker
but every Every character had like their own little outcomes, but you didn't really get choices. well You got binary choices. like Do you get the g griffins, give them to the gay wardens? the gay wardens? Make them protect Make them protect ours.
00:55:19
Speaker
I gave the Griffins to the Grey Wardens. What did you guys do? I made them go to the elves, protect the elves. Yeah, I did the same. Send them to the elves.
00:55:32
Speaker
I was like, nah, they've always served the Grey Wardens. That's what they know. They like fighting. Azan loves Davrin or whatever. He wants to be with them. I was like, you guys go chill with the Grey Wardens. Plus, we need you to fight, too. So I was like, yeah. Sure. So that's what I did. As far as deaths, the only death that I actually i had, which I guess, oh, we'll get to that when we get to the ending, actually. So hold on. um But yeah, I'm trying to think if there was anything else that was like real crucial um before we get to the amazing ending.
00:56:01
Speaker
um You know, we fought a bunch of dragons. That was cool. But nothing really super meaningful until the ending, I would say. You guys want to get into it? Sure. yeah Let's do it. So in the ending, it's kind of like two or three big quests, just back to back to back. And these endings are just filled with choices. And it's super awesome, very reminiscent of Mass Effect 2, like I said, um it does take into account your, um your rating that you have with your companions, if you earn their trust and loyalty, that matters. And also the strength of each faction, I got all the factions up to max strength before I did the final mission.
00:56:35
Speaker
Um, so um we were ready to go. We were ready to fight. We were a well oiled machine. Um, so when you started off, um, you have a couple of choices and we're going to go through each one and see what we picked. So the first big choice you have is you have to pick someone to lead the side distraction team. Um, and you have a choice between Davrin or Harding. Um, I chose to have Davrin lead the side distraction team because he's a gray warden.
00:56:59
Speaker
um And they kind of hinted that like, you know, this is what great wardens do you're dealing with like the plate and stuff um So I sent him in there. I kept hearting with me um What did you guys pick on that one? Lock. Well, this choice was interesting because they already taught you at the very beginning of the game that the one who you send away is going to get in trouble. Remember, like at the very start of the game, you send either Neve or Neve and Harding away and the one who goes away gets hurt. Right. So I figured, oh, they're going to do the same thing here. Fuck you, Harding. But you said Naverne was your least favorite character.
00:57:36
Speaker
That's true. But I was a great warden. And so was Devin. So I figured brothers in arms. so bro Okay, so you said you spent Harding because you were like fuck her. She's expensive. No, that that was a joke i wasn't thinking fuck her um I was expecting the person to go to die. And I think what do you want to get into the deaths or or not yet? Well, we we're gonna get there. We're gonna go I got I got line by line on the nose. Okay. Okay. Harding for me. Yeah.
00:58:05
Speaker
All right, what about you, Sensei? I said for the distraction team, I said, Devon, because, you know, as a great warden, like you feel like he is the person for the job. And I felt like in terms of like handling blight.
00:58:17
Speaker
I don't feel like Hardin has that type of experience, especially to lead a team. I mean, she's quirky and he's low. She gets like these dwarven powers, right? She had the rock powers. Yeah, but I didn't feel like she could lead a team. And so that's me. And I was just like, well, Devon is basically the best option for that because he already worked in a squad. They already say, oh, this guy's an exceptional leader. And so I just sent him. And I thought that was the correct decision to do compared to Hardin.
00:58:46
Speaker
There you go. All right. So we we do that. We push ahead. The next thing we're met with another choice where there's a ward that has to be broken so that we can continue our quest. And they give you two options. You can choose Ballara or Neve to disarm the ward. um I chose Ballara. And as a result of choosing Ballara, she was kidnapped through the mirror. um Who did you guys choose? Locke? Same. I also chose Ballara.
00:59:12
Speaker
And I chose, we chose Ballora probably for the same reason because we were dating Nev and didn't want her to die. Exactly. So you already already know my choice then I chose Nev since I didn't want Ballora to die. Nev was probably the most logical option because she is the mage and she has the most experience dealing with words. Yeah. um So but yeah, I was like, ah, Ballora can figure it out. She's a researcher. And if she dies, fuck it.
00:59:38
Speaker
All right, so that's what we did. I think no matter what happens they get kidnapped through the mirror, right? Yeah yeah they You have to try to save them later that and that becomes a key plot point later, which we'll get into um so as a result of this I did have my one and only death and it was Davenne Davenne died when you finally you're fighting um What's her name, right? Gillan a Illinois. Yeah, so when you kill Gillan ain't finally Davrin sacrifices himself basically he kills her and Asan died too because I had kept them together um so like Davrin falls in like this little pit of like I don't know what it was blight or something to get sucked into it and Asan just randomly was like I'm gonna dive in there with you and know i and do for for literally no reason so he died to rest in peace Asan you little cute bastard Did you guys have the same who died for you guys?
01:00:29
Speaker
Well, for me, it was hard. It was Harding because I picked Harding. and so so So Harding died there for me, which was a little emotional. I gotta say I wasn't expecting that but that was like a a little emotional um for me. um I wasn't expecting I was expecting her to die but not in Such a, I thought it was pretty gruesome. um So yeah, I thought it was pretty well. That's the death that really hit me hardest this game. um And maybe one will get you later, but yeah. Oh, you had more deaths, okay. Daven was my only death, plus Asan, who randomly was like, oh, you kept me with him, so I have to die too. What happened to you, Sensei? It was the same. Devon had died and stuff in the song. He was just like, no, father, no. And he just decided to dive in with him. Wait, what's the song there? Didn't you use it for him? I guess not a song, though. I'm pretty sure. Wasn't the Griffin name a song? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:19
Speaker
so But you freed the Griffins, but Asana, I guess, chose to stick with- Yeah, he chose to stick with Davenport. It doesn't matter, and I guess that goes back into a lot of point, it feels like it's an illusion of choice almost. Where it's like, no matter what you choose, it's kind of like, hey, take the red or the blue pill, you're still going to get by almost the same outcome. It's just da well you know different Yeah, it does make sense, though, because Asan was literally built into Daverin's kit. Like his abilities, a lot of them were Asan coming down and attacking. So if they randomly got rid of him, they would fundamentally change his character. So. yeah All right. So rest in peace, Daverin for us. Rest in peace. um Harding for lock. All right.
01:02:01
Speaker
So that was good. That was a great mission. um And then we lead up to the final mission where we have more choices. um So in this one, we have another choice. You have to pick someone to break the sigil. um And I think in this one, it wasn't just two choices. I think you could kind of choose from like the whole circle. um I chose Ulrich to break the sigil in this mission because he's a mage and also I didn't care as much about him. So if he died, whatever. um He did a good job. Who did you guys choose if you remember?
01:02:29
Speaker
I chose the same option that you had. Same reason it to him like, well, if you die, I don't really care. It is what it is. I did care about him, but I thought he was going to make it and he did. Yeah. I'm like, he's a mage, he can break a central. And he was powerful. He was a lich. Probably for you guys too. We made him a lich. I didn't. I saved him. I saved Manfred. But yeah, I have to. I love Manfred. He's my buddy. so I had to sacrifice my leadership, but he he still did it, so good for him. Okay, fair enough. And then you had another mission.
Character Decisions and Successes
01:03:03
Speaker
I think this one was kind of a no-brainer. I hope we all pick the same thing. ah There was one where you had to pick someone to kill the mage. I, of course, picked Lucanus because he's literally an assassin. I mean, he's the Antivan Crow. I'm like, if someone's gonna kill a mage, it's gonna be my assassin. So I sent Lucanus. He got the job done. You guys did the same? um Yeah, I mean, it's in the name. The mage killer, so it's just like,
01:03:24
Speaker
okay and he also needed redemption from his field attempt before so yeah yeah he did um and then you have a choice of someone who's going to deal with the giant mech there was a big giant mech that was fighting or something and um the choices weren't the best for me i ended up going up with Harding just because one i didn't care that much about her and two um i figured you know she had rock powers so maybe that would somehow give her a chance to beat the the mech somehow even though she's just a little dwarf she was able to get it done with the help of with the help of the allies that were there that were maxed out um they all lived and they took out the mech how'd it go for you guys would you pick this is where I picked everyone because he was still alive for me and he felt like the strongest one to do it so I picked him good call
01:04:09
Speaker
I chose ah Tash because she, I mean, she fought dragons. So it would make sense that she can fight gigantic golems and stuff and she can lead a team and notice the weak points.
01:04:21
Speaker
Yep. Yep. That would have been the good pick. And the reason why I didn't pick Tash is because I was trying to save Tash for my main team because I was playing as a mage. And my favorite team to play as a mage was me, hard or Nev, excuse me, me, Nev, and Tash because Tash is a really great combo because she can taunt and keep them off of me. um And she also comboed with Nev, who was my romance or whatever. um And they did a big explosion attack together. um So I was trying to save ah Tash and that's why I sent Harding.
01:04:51
Speaker
um All right, so then we get towards the final battle, right? um Let's see. So you get to pick someone to send back to help defend people. We're climbing up the big beanstalk, right? We're climbing up the big beanstalk to fight the final boss. um And you have to send one of your companions back to help your allies. You know, who did you guys choose and how did it end up? lock I don't remember this. You have to send somebody back? Yep. You pick one ally to hold the line while everyone else goes by. Yeah, of course. This is where I picked Hosh. Good choice.
01:05:33
Speaker
what Remind me, what was the ending of this again? ah Well, if you pick Tash, she lives. um She's fighting with... ah Yeah, because she fights with Morgan and they kill the enemies. Yeah, because there wasn't really I didn't even know there was like a separate outcome for me. That's why I asked this. Because I picked just to pick Tash and there wasn't really a choice. like there there Yeah, there was there was a choice because I actually originally, like I said, I was trying to save Tash, so I originally chose Ulrich.
01:06:00
Speaker
And I was like, yo, Ulrich, you're even though it's even though it literally says to pick someone who was either like a warrior or who was good in a siege. Ulrich wasn't that at all. But I was like, yo, know he's a ledge. He's strong. He'll be fine. So I picked Ulrich. He died instantly. Oh, like literally like he got knocked out and killed. Uh, and I saved scum. I was like, nope, nope, nope. And then I picked Tash and she was fine. She took care of business. That's so cool. I had no idea that this was like a a big thing. I was like, okay, I'll pick Tash and she just instantly killed Ella. It was like, okay, cool. Or it dies if you pick over it. Oh, dad I never knew that. Okay, cool. He gets knocked out. He gets knocked out. He's trying, he, he saves Morgan. Uh, Morgan gets attacked and he like deflects the blow, but then gets knocked down and like stabbed right through him or whatever. And presumably he dies.
01:06:47
Speaker
I don't know for sure because I reloaded the save but it looked like he died. um What about you Sensei? Who'd you pick? I chose Tash because I felt like she was the best option because I think I had Emmerich and I had Balara on my team.
01:07:01
Speaker
And so since Davenport was dead, I was just like, well, Tash has caught up. La Conda's is still dealing with the majors. It's like, well, just go back there and just go ham, Tash. I was like, eh, wish you the best. And then I just see her just going out there and just killing everybody. I was like, wow, OK. I was like, well, I was expecting you to die. But hey, that'll be you for me.
01:07:22
Speaker
All right. And so this brings us to the final battle. You get up to the top and you are fighting against, uh, was it, uh,
Final Battle and Personal Choices
01:07:31
Speaker
what's his name? Elganan. Elganan. So you fight against him, right?
01:07:35
Speaker
You have to beat his ass and then you're gonna make some choices to get your final ending. um So what happened with you Sensei? Why don't you tell us about your ending and fight and and what the outcome was? Well, so my fight with Elganah was easy peasy, especially with a rogue. It was bill was very... It's very easy. I will say if you guys play on like the hardest difficulty, you go roll, you'll see what I'm talking about. is It's not even a challenge. So I was just like, oh, that's disappointing. The outcome I got, I chose to save, you know, solace and stuff. I chose to save them. And because I think that even though it's I think the one thing that I did appreciate with Valgar and the lore and the special with the way they built it up is that
01:08:19
Speaker
you know the the actions that he was doing was somewhat good intentions he was just going about them in a very dark way and that's when i felt like well maybe he could be redeemed and that's what i tried to do and it definitely changed the dynamic because i think i have made like a wrong choice where he was just like All right, screw it. I'm still going to do whatever. And then um the Inquisitor came in. And I thought that was what changed. And I chose the option to have the Inquisitor still be a romance option. And so he was just like, yes, my love, like don't do this. like He's like, well i don't ah well, I don't want to be alone. And she's like, you're not going to be alone. And then that's how it did for me. And I was just like, wow. That is amazing. So he walks through it winning me for you, to
01:09:07
Speaker
yeah Yeah. What happened with you, Locke? I had the exact opposite. Well, not the exact opposite, because there's also a bad ending. But I had my perfect ending for me anyway, is I tricked him. Because Solas, when he imprisoned you earlier, remember when he swap swapped you? Before that, I was fully in on helping Solas. But when he tricked me earlier in the game, I was, okay, if I get the chance, I'm going to trick you back, you son of a bitch. you So I did that. And like I switched to daggers on him.
01:09:34
Speaker
yeah And that was such a cool moment for me, because Solas taunts you in that moment, in my playthrough anyway. He basically told my rook, like, ah you're not as smart as you think you are, I bested you, I did this, I'm the man, I'm a god basically. So he he punches a veil with with the dagger. um And then he realizes the fake dagger, you switch it up, you stab him, and you basically push him in. And then he tells you, oh okay, he basically does the Jack Sparrow thing where he says he calls you a pirate, but he doesn't call you a pirate. he says like I taught you well. And then my Rook had the coolest line ever. is He said, no, Varric taught me well. And it pushes him in by Solas. So I thought that was really cool. I thought that was really cathartic for me, because I loved Solas until he betrayed me again. um So that's how that's how I took care of him, which I thought was was awesome. But I didn't know you could make him like, well, I suspected that you could make him willingly go through it. That's cool, too.
01:10:29
Speaker
Yeah, I also got the the same ending as Sensei, the best ending, um where I was able to convince Solas to willingly ah bind himself to the veil, to use his godly power to keep the veil up and save the world,
Solas and the Veil Decision
01:10:43
Speaker
basically. um The way I did it was just like he said, I convinced the Inquisitor that she should still be romantically involved with Solas. So she come out and she's like, you know, blah, blah, blah, I forgive you or whatever.
01:10:54
Speaker
Um, and then it was ah the one, two punch because Morgan shows up, she shows up as like a bird and like, then she's like, whatever. And then she's like, oh, I'm Mithal. Um, and then like, because I, we had the, uh, I had the statue of course, of, uh, Mithal, uh, Mithal actually appears in front of him and she's like, I forgive you. I release you.
01:11:11
Speaker
um So like his last remorse of that was gone and he had the Inquisitor. So he finally he he thinks about it for a second He looks at the veil one more time and then he willingly cuts his own hand with the knife ah Blooding it and binding himself and he walks in there along with the Inquisitor. They walk in together so they can be happy in the veil I guess um And he was like he was like I'll spend the rest of my days, you know Supporting the veil and keeping everyone safe um So that's what he did And everybody lived in my game, except for Davrin and Asan, rest in peace. um Also rest in peace to Ulrich, but I save scummed. Don't pick him. don't pick When it tells you you you need a tank, don't pick a mage. Did not end well, although it was funny.
01:11:54
Speaker
All right. Yeah, soulless. Yeah, we we didn't really we kind of gloss over this a little bit He does kind of betray you a bit because he tells you that he he gives you his word that he will not by his own hand harm the veil but what we find out later is that if we kill ah Elganon It automatically brings the veil down because Elganon is the one that's supporting it. Yeah, correct. Yep So he he was trying to he's a little sneaky bastard. He was trying to get one over on us again and um But anyway, so that was Dragon Age the Veilguard. Let's get into our final thoughts. Anything we missed, any final thoughts? Let's start with you, Sensei. What did you think about the game and give us your final bars for it?
01:12:34
Speaker
Like I said, I thought the game was solid. I wish we had more at two and three. Oh, I also wanted to tell you that I felt like they, I think I said earlier, but I felt like they could have definitely improved on Taj story. They didn't have to make it two on the nose because I remember I talked to you in private that I feel like if Taj, if they play more of Taj story back into what Stein, or I think it's Stan. I keep forgetting the name. stand Where Stan in Origins was like, you know, the concept of a woman warrior is foreign to us. So it's kind of odd singing a woman fight. That's what he tells like your hero for relatives.
01:13:15
Speaker
So when I see that, I was just like, well, why didn't you guys just say Taj was like this, uh, a person who wanted to be a warrior. So she didn't feel like that she needed to be a housewife because that's what the, uh,
01:13:30
Speaker
the Kunari, that's what they are. They divide their groups up like that. And like the women are gatherers and the men are straight warriors. So it's just like, why didn't you guys just tie that back in the style of what he said and then you try to change the Kunari in the inside? Because I thought that that was going to be a good dynamic. And when you go through Taj, it' just like they don't it felt like they were going to go in that direction. They were just like, and let's not rely too much on origins. But I felt like that would have been way better.
01:14:00
Speaker
And one other closing thoughts, and now I actually wanted to ask you a lot, do you feel like, especially with the cameos, do you feel like the game would have been better if they had some type of notes or like, I forgot what they call them, missionaries or whatever, like they had in Dragon Age 2, where they mentioned other characters as them being present? Because like you said, this is the end of the world.
01:14:22
Speaker
everybody needs to come together and like band together. So, you know, you would have spent like, where's the hero Ferelden? Where's Alistar? Where's the, um, the king of Ostagar? Where's, um, there's so many characters that you can say. Yeah, like where are all these people? And I felt like maybe if they at least say, hey, the hero Ferelden, everybody else, they're fighting at the south with the Inquisitor. I felt like that would have been you know, way better than, oh, they're just not there. Yeah. Yeah, no, exactly. I thought that was very weird. Because in that way, this game is geared
Cameos and Continuity Issues
01:15:01
Speaker
towards new players. But I think if you're a new player getting into this game, you have no idea what's going on. Like, who are these gods? What's what's the veil? What's what are these darkspawn? Like, you have no idea. So I think they should have gone all in on the existing players and put way more cameos in this because
01:15:17
Speaker
I really missed, I really missed Cassandra, I really missed Leona, I really missed original Morgan. So yeah, that's what the secret ending taught me too. That should have been this game. This should have been going all the way back to low gain from ah origins and i have like the Illuminati or whatever these watchers, I guess, whisper stuff into the areas that would have been so cool. um So to put that at the end of this was such a shame because that kind of tarnished just this game a little bit for me because more cameos would have been so cool, right?
01:15:52
Speaker
like yeah Yeah, no, absolutely. I agree. um I think they did kind of hint, like, with the Inquisitor, like you said, that shit was going down in the south, too. Like, the the blight and the darkspawn and everything were really running wild down south, too. It wasn't just where we were um as a result of these outs these elven gods were causing chaos everywhere. So, I think that's where, presumably, the Inquisitor and the hero of Ferelden and everyone in Hawke and stuff, is Hawke still alive? I don't know.
01:16:19
Speaker
um Yeah. divide right Depends on your choices. do I've assumed that they're down south, you know, defending their homelands, but it wasn't addressed much other than with the Inquisitor slightly. um but Wasn't that weird either for you guys, too? I think like maybe for you guys, it was different because your Inquisitor was romancing Solas. But my Inquisitor was just there. He was just like some guy he's standing there just occasionally showing up and just giving some advice i'm like, okay, guy, well,
01:16:47
Speaker
bye so I thought that was very weird. And again, like I said before, if you have very dying, Cassandra needs to be there, or Hawk needs to be there. Those sort those were his people. Yeah, yeah i don't I don't know what. My guess is maybe they were planning on having some cameos and stuff in the DLC.
01:17:05
Speaker
um because they were planning on the DLC with that secret ending and stuff and maybe there was going to be some cool cameos but they scrapped that apparently and they're just moving on to Dragon 8 or to a Mass Effect so yeah because of the reception and the sales and everybody hating on the trans shit so.
Final Thoughts and Ratings
01:17:21
Speaker
um Yeah, it's unfortunate. I mean, we could have had more cameos. We could have had a bit more awesomeness. um But for what we did get, I thought it was quite good. um Like I said, I give this game an 8.5 is my score. um You guys said what, like a six or a seven? I say like a seven, honestly. I think it's solid. It's not too crazy. Yeah.
01:17:44
Speaker
Um, all right. So that was dragon age as a veil guard lock. Do you have any more final thoughts? Yes. One more thing. Cause we didn't talk about the locations in the game. oh i'm Right. And I thought a couple of them were really cool, but super underdeveloped. Like I really like liked ravain.
01:18:01
Speaker
I like the Pirates theme there. yeah Then it didn't really matter. like it like You had that whole tournament there, remember? like You could like fight stuff. and the I did it all in one go. and That was the latest arena I've ever seen. Yeah, it was. just most meaningless First of all, it never ended. You could just do it as much as you wanted. And the fights were not hard at all. no And it was just pointless.
01:18:22
Speaker
As a warrior, I just kept kicking them <unk> into the pit every time. every time fight over But i figure I thought, oh, this is going to come back later. This is so cool. No, it never did. Like, it was just there. Like, why did why did they do this? But I really liked Raveen and I really liked, I keep forgetting the name, Hawkleg Wetlands or whatever it was called. It was just Wetlands. yeah Oh, or just the Wetlands. yeah those Those were really cool. that that That was a really cool location to me. So I really liked those two.
01:18:49
Speaker
Yeah, that was the Great Warden area, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. It was always raining in Docktown, by the way. That was kind of weird. Yeah. I guess that must be like England, basically. And people are miserable and cunts. Yeah. I got a whole lot of stories about that. But yeah, you're right. You're not too far from the truth. But yeah. But as for closing thoughts, I thought it was a good game. I'm glad I played it. I'm sad that it's over now and that i You know what? I wish that the ending was the beginning of this game. Like what if Act 3 was the beginning of this game and then the secret ending was really the start of this game. That would have been awesome. That would have been way better than what we got here. But and I'm glad I played it.
01:19:35
Speaker
o Me too. Me too. All right. um Well, yeah, my final thoughts are that I enjoyed the game. um It's a shame that the whole trans stuff derailed the whole narrative. Well, not even trans, really, because nobody in this game is trans. They're non-binary, which is stupid. But anyway.
01:19:51
Speaker
um I do hope that for Mass Effect, they don't do this crap. Like, we don't need non-binary people. Stop making yourself a target for the hate machine. Just make a video game that's good and fun, and you'll sell well. You'll sell better. um So hopefully we do get Mass Effect. Hopefully the studio stays upright, and ah hopefully that game is awesome because I am a huge Mass Effect fan. I also have never played as FemShep, by the way, Locke. One of these days, maybe I should.
01:20:17
Speaker
It's funny, I've played Mass Effect so many times, and I literally just always pick Nail Chef same like every time. like I don't know why I don't mix it up. I should i should pick Femme Chef sometimes, because there are people who absolutely love Femme Chef. There are people who say she's better than the Nail one, but I haven't tried her.
01:20:31
Speaker
So have you tried her, Sensei? I have. She is very good in terms of voice delivery. I didn't even realize that until like I played the um the legendary edition when it came out, because I was the same way. I always played as a male, because I liked being like the gung-ho guy that always gets the girl on the plus. I thought, like ah who was it?
Criticism on Inclusivity and Reception
01:20:51
Speaker
I forgot who, oh Miranda, I thought Miranda, I was like, ooh, Lord have mercy. So, you know, I already had to be the male. But, um man, when you switch it when you switch it to the female, bro, the female shepherd is a very change of dynamic, especially if you go like the renegade, man, like I'm talking about.
01:21:11
Speaker
Cassandra levels, I would say like you're basically playing as Cassandra. Like if she just like was just this, you know, war torn soldier, that's basically what she is on the renegade side. Awesome. All right. Good stuff. All right. So yeah, that my final thoughts, like I said, um enjoyed the game, liked it a lot. um Keep the trans stuff out of the next game, please. Just not so much because I hate it because I'm going to get you're going to get canceled. Yeah, they're going to come for you. i'm not They can't cancel me because I don't give a fuck but um you can't cancel someone who doesn't care and I don't care but i don't have any I don't have any hatred towards the trans people, but I have hatred towards opening yourself up to a hate campaign Don't do it. It's pointless. You don't need to do it. Just make a great game um And also my last advice for Bioware if they ever listen to this and they probably won't but who knows maybe some intern It's being forced to listen to this
01:22:05
Speaker
Here's the takeaway, okay? Bring back peragade ah Paragon and Renegade. Like Locke said, we want to be able to be ah an evil, bad person too. We don't want to have like just this stupid, very good option, or just slightly sarcastic, but still a good option. Like, come on, let us be evil if we want. Let us punch the reporter in the face, you know? that's Bring it back. That's what we need. um But yeah, let's go ahead and get on out of here, shall we? Any final thoughts? Anything else before we go, anyone?
01:22:31
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Last chance. Great job. perfect Thank you for having us. was It was fun. Thank you for having me too. It was good to talk to two bros, man. Yes, sir. Well, it was great. Thank you guys for joining me. This has been Games Over Plastic DLC, episode number seven, Dragon Age, The Veil Card, spoiler cast. We're going to go ahead and get up out of here. Everyone have a great day. Peace out. You guys going to say bye? Say but bye. Bye. Bye.