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DLC 13. Through the Valley - The Last of Us S2E2 Spoilercast Feat. Lockmort
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She did it. The crazy son-of-a-bitch did it. Join Hodge and our friend Lockmort as we discuss the action packed and heartbreaking second episode of The Last of Us. Did the moment live up to our expectations? Did we like the attack on Jackson? Let us know what you thought!
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Transcript
Introduction & Episode Setup
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello, welcome to Games Over Plastic, an agnostic gamers podcast. I am your host for this week, Hodge, joined by not Midnight, nor Sean, but our good buddy Lockmort is here to talk about season two, episode two. is it called? Through the Valley, I believe is what it was called.
00:00:46
Speaker
And yes, so we are here to talk about The Last of Us. And how are you? i'm Thank you also for, again, last minute joining me for this because my other hosts are MIA. So thank you. No worries. It's always a delight to to to see any of you guys so gladly. I just came home from from watching Sinners. Like, I just literally came through the door when you texted me.
00:01:06
Speaker
So I'm still in in Sinners mode. But I watched the episode this morning, and I'm very excited to talk about it with someone because I really haven't talked with anyone about it yet, I think. I'm very excited to see Sinners. to see that my girlfriend later this week. I've heard nothing but, like, amazing things about that. yeah so I'm so excited to see that movie. But we're here to talk The Last of Us.
00:01:24
Speaker
And ah before we move into episode two, I wanted to read one comment from last week's episode because I want to hear what you guys think about it, too. Obviously, we're going to be up here you know spewing our thoughts. I want to hear what you guys have to say about this. Like, is it better than the game? Is it worse than the game? What do you guys like about it? So our buddy Broderick Fleming wrote in and said, i really enjoyed this episode.
00:01:46
Speaker
They're already cleaning up some of the timeline issues, a.k.a. the Jackson scenes not being so disjointed and setting up the big conflict for those who haven't played the game. I kind of hated part two at first. I was a strong believer that part one ended perfectly and didn't need a sequel, but I've come to love it since then. And I'm really excited to see how Craig Mazin puts his spin on the story along with Neil.
Pacing Concerns & Storytelling
00:02:06
Speaker
So i actually agree with that. We talked briefly before we started recording that my biggest issue for people think I hate Last of Us Part 2. I don't hate it. I just don't love it as much as everyone else. so sure I'm the I'm the contrarian. The contrarian to me is like, no but my biggest issue was the pacing. And so far, I do think they're doing a good job with it. Obviously, we're only two episodes in, but I'm hoping that the pacing i hope Craig Mazin being, you know, a good showrunner, he can be like, here's how we have to pace it for TV to make it flow better.
00:02:37
Speaker
Sure. yeah that's fair. what what What do you think in the first episode? Because that's the one thing that bothered me a lot in the first episode where Abby and her whole crew basically already tell the audience what they're going to do.
00:02:49
Speaker
See, I actually I did see you in discord say that you weren't a fan. I actually as for me, obviously, we shouldn't because we know what yeah it is.
00:02:59
Speaker
So we're kind of like, oh, you shouldn't have told us. But i think for people who aren't like no knowledgeable of the game, I think it's actually a good move because.
Character Dynamics & Adaptation
00:03:10
Speaker
In the game, you know she shows up and does what she does in this episode. And everyone's like, oh, fuck this person. And then they try and get you to see her side. But when you see her side out the gate, you can already be kind of on her side. So when you know the Joel moment happens, you're like, all right, I get it.
00:03:27
Speaker
I get why she did it. I don't like it, but I get why she did it. And it's that kind of thing. So I think it helps you see her side better by showing her first. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:03:38
Speaker
that's again So that's what i that's what I thought of it. but And also, I think I love the actress Caitlin Dever, so she's I like her as Abby already. So she I already like Abby more than I did in the game because Butch Abby in the game was just like... She was just pissed off all the... I mean, I add this one as two, but like she puts, I think...
00:03:57
Speaker
I don't know. It just feels different with her. And I i hope to see her. I see how she acts more. Though I will say the one thing is I don't see her as like the commanding leader when she's not that big anymore. She's like the shortest one in the crew. So i was like, really? She's demanding ah everything of everyone. She's this little five foot one girl. So I don't know. but That's true.
00:04:18
Speaker
But yeah, I like her as Abby overall, though. yeah She did a great job. Yeah. Yeah. So other, ah but other quickly, before we get into this episode, since you weren't on obviously last week, what overall, other than that, what'd you like about the, or think of the first episode?
Pacing & Storytelling Comparisons
00:04:32
Speaker
i thought the I thought the first episode was great. My, my only gripe is that I think every change they've made, I think the game does better, but it it just depends on your preferences, I guess. I think so far I like what the game did more,
00:04:46
Speaker
Just because it it it treats the audience with more respect, I think, or more intelligence, I should say. While the show is more like, here you go, and shoves it in your face. but Yeah, we'll like well get into it.
00:04:57
Speaker
Yeah, we'll get it into it with this episode. But this episode felt a little walking dead to me. And i was like, ooh, not great. but yeah But the one thing I did like the change from the in the first episode was I loved how they introduced the stalker.
00:05:08
Speaker
That was awesome. Oh, yeah that i love yeah. I loved that because the stalkers are such a good idea of like the yeah but infected that hide. Yeah. Yeah. But let's jump into this episode. So it starts off with a dream sequence of Abby.
00:05:26
Speaker
So I feel like, was it later in the game that we saw Abby like actually at the hospital doing this stuff? It was. it It was. It was. Because when after Abby does the deed or after what happens, happens, you don't get back to Ellie. You don't get back to Abby. You play for with Ellie for like 12 hours, 13 hours. And after that, you get back to Abby. Yeah.
00:05:48
Speaker
Yeah, so it starts off with that. ben
Structural Changes & Development
00:05:50
Speaker
I actually, I thought it was, it was an interesting choice of her, because at first I was confused, like, why is she talking to herself? Like, literally being like, you're only going to find her but his brains, and I was like, what is going on? And then realized it's a dream, and she wakes up. But I thought it was really good, like, again, a way to...
00:06:06
Speaker
emotion like show that she has emotion that she's like a character you want to care about and so it was really good to like see her breaking down in her dream like i know what you're gonna find and it's horrifying so she's like she starts crying to herself and yeah i really loved really loved that moment The audio design there was really cool because you could hear her open the door.
00:06:26
Speaker
Like when the shot was on the other one, the one telling her what's going on, you can hear her open the door and find her dead and scream. That was really well done. Yeah, it was so good. Yeah, so then she wakes up at the cabin and she's out there being like, they're like, oh shit, Jackson's way bigger than I thought it was.
00:06:43
Speaker
Which I guess I just... ah one This is another thing I liked about this is that they actually show them at the cabin kind of plotting more than they did in the game. Cause in the game, it was just, who are these people? Why are they here? Kind of thing. So it was kind of cool to see them like, Oh shit. I thought it was going to be smaller, but what do we do if we capture something? Like, and they kind of were showing that they're not meant to be bad people, but obviously Abby's like, i don't give fuck. Yeah, exactly.
00:07:10
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah, but Yeah. Other than that, yeah, we just got a little more learning of each character in that scene. And it seems like Owen is a little bit more of a leader, but like a reluctant follower of Abby in a way. smart like that He's smarter, right? Like he he tries to eat because he tells the others that he wants to convince her not to go through with it. Right.
00:07:30
Speaker
Yeah. And so, i yeah, I really like, though, also that. Everyone on the crew, I don't know. I feel like they were a little more on her side in the game, whereas in this, it's really just the the Hispanic guy who's really like, fuck all these people. But man everyone else is just like, I don't want to do this. like It just seems a little much kind of thing.
00:07:50
Speaker
There's also two people missing. Because in the game, there's two extra people there, like Jordan and Nick, who aren't here. They just don't exist here. yeah Oh, yeah. So it is. ah it's only I wonder if that's like a i don't Is that like a thing? Maybe, i don't know, just so each episode, i don't know, maybe each episode is going to be a murder or something like don't know. Probably. We're probably crowded too much. Yeah.
00:08:12
Speaker
yeah to To what's going to happen. Yeah. yeah Because i didn i didn't even think about that. Well, I mean, because in the in the game, aren't like a couple of them already dead? Like by
Action & Plot Evolution
00:08:20
Speaker
the time she gets there, because Tommy had already gotten to him.
00:08:22
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Which I don't want to spoil the game for people, but I forgot. Sorry. Yeah, no, it's it's it's fine. we we We know Tommy is going to be in the show more because, well, what happens in little bit? But yeah, so it's just kind of that. And then we cut to...
00:08:41
Speaker
ah ah Ellie waking up hungover from the night before of the, the barn dance whatever they had. And ah this was very accurate to the game of Jesse being like, I, I, it made me laugh. Even i even though i knew the line was in the game and stuff where he just goes, really fucked up. You did that though. I really liked that. And he does the thing of pretending not to know that her and Dina kiss, but yeah, I,
00:09:08
Speaker
I kind of wish that they had changed up ah from the game where he's very just nonchalant about like, i don't give a shit. Like it's weird. Yeah. Like, no, if you broke up with your girlfriend a week ago, you'd be pretty pissed if she's out there making out with something. Yeah, like exactly.
00:09:24
Speaker
Cause at the dance, they're kind of like, he walks up to her and they're both kind of leaning there, like watching her make a fool of herself. And he seemed like he was still into her. So the fact that the next day he's like, I don't care. It's like, Really?
00:09:35
Speaker
yeah should be yeah Yeah, exactly. Did you notice the one thing they changed is that they flipped it like they flipped the camera. Like if you play the game, they're on opposite sides of the camera. Oh, really? So this time ellie was under ah Ellie was on the left, I think, and he was on the right or the other way around. And in the game, it's the other way around, which is really weird. I don't know why they did that, but it works.
00:09:54
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder if that's some artistic expression something. I don't know. But,
Narrative Choices & Impact
00:10:00
Speaker
yeah, so – and then the other thing they changed is – so they're walking to go do their thing, and she says, I want to do with Joel. And he says they she's doing it with Dina, which in the game, isn't he out with Tommy?
00:10:11
Speaker
He yeah, which is – yeah. Yeah, so we get the – well, because also in the first episode they did the supermarket thing, which it normally it's during this, isn't it is. her and Dina go out to find them.
00:10:22
Speaker
Yeah. So I don't know. i guess it worked for the show, but I wonder why they changed that up. Like did they want to just introduce the stalker in the first episode and they so they swapped it out or – Really?
00:10:35
Speaker
do we Can we spoil things from later in the episode or not? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because what but what I don't get is if they did this, which is fine. It's a really cool dynamic for if you haven't played the game, of course, because he's not with Tommy there.
00:10:47
Speaker
But then why did they put Dina to sleep? Because, like, she didn't she doesn't see what's going on. So it's really pointless that she's there with Joel when it happens. Yeah, and the fact that she wakes up and she, like, remembers everyone's name and, like, I'm like, feel like if you got drugged, you kind of would have been...
00:11:02
Speaker
out of it a little bit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's that's kind of missing and and an emotional beat because when Tommy was there, you could feel like his anger and stuff because they beat him too. and They beat Tommy too in that scene. Like they beat him unconscious, right? Yeah.
00:11:15
Speaker
Yeah. So that, yeah, that that was weird. Like, and Yeah, it felt like Dina shouldn't have been there. kind of I feel like they did that so like they couldn't change the plot too much or something. yeah It like doesn't matter who's with Joel, just put them out of commission. like well and And also because they needed Tommy and Jackson, of course, for what happened there, because that also is not in the game. Oh, yeah, that's true. Tommy did need to be in town for the the
Episode Reflection & Critique
00:11:40
Speaker
zombie swarm that ah comes later. But we'll we'll get to that in a little bit.
00:11:46
Speaker
Um, so yeah, they go and, uh, you know, Ellie's being Moby teenage, uh, Ellie, which is, so the, the only thing I said this last week, and it's the only thing that I really still like, or the difference that they like, even though I don't like Bella Ramsey as, as Ellie, I like that she still has her bit of sarcasm in the game. She was just,
00:12:09
Speaker
Mopey and straight face the entire game. Like you even before Joel, you know, ah kick the bucket, she was still just like the Mopey teenager. And I'm like, you don't go from being that like super sarcastic teenager to four years later, five years later, you're just like.
00:12:27
Speaker
I don't like it. So I like I like that they've kept the the sarcasm with her. I really hope I really hope it sticks along with the rest of the season. Like, obviously, she's gonna be angrier after what happened to Joel. But I really do hope she keeps that bit of sarcasm because that was that was the honestly it might be my biggest criticism of the second game is that she just wasn't ellie anymore yeah That's a great point. i never thought it I never thought about it that way, but that's actually a great point.
00:12:54
Speaker
i mean, I guess it makes sense that in the game that after it happens, she is like that. But you're right. She also is kind of mopey before that. I just saw it that, well, we kind of find out later why that is, right? Because she was fighting with Joel.
00:13:08
Speaker
So it it kind of makes sense. But you're right. This version, I don't like Bella Ramsey at all, but this version is is better. It's better. Yeah. Well, cause the thing is, is like in the second game, Dina basically becomes the Ellie, but she's just not as good as it in my opinion. But yeah, but like in the first game, all these horrible things happen. Like when she has to kill the guy to save Joel, and but she goes right back to being sarcastic after it. Like she's not, she's not like angry the whole time. It's like, he still trusts her and she, she still goes back to like, anytime there's like a moment of levity, let's, let's hear a pun kind of thing. Like,
00:13:41
Speaker
She always had her optimism. And in this, she's just like, or in the second game, she was always just sad. That's true. Yeah. So like, cause I feel like even if the worst thing happened to me, I'm, you know, I'm a fairly positive person. I feel like I'd still be able to crack jokes here and there. Like wait every anytime I'm going through a hard time, I can always still crack a joke of like,
00:14:04
Speaker
oh, that's my luck kind of thing. Like, I can always crack that joke. So I feel like someone who's way
Speculation & Future Developments
00:14:10
Speaker
more sarcastic than me would still have her moments of sarcasm. Sure, sure. No, that's fair. Well, it's it's good yeah, that's that's fair. It's also like a couple of years later, so maybe she has changed that.
00:14:19
Speaker
We don't really know what happened in those years, but you're right, you're right. It is kind of weird that they just scrapped her personality in a second game. I never really thought about it in until now, but you're right, yeah. Yeah. So then they're walking to do their thing. and But then ah Jesse says, ah why do I always forget her name? the Tommy's wife.
00:14:37
Speaker
what um mar Maria? or Yeah. yeah yeah So he says Maria wants to see you. And he's like, what for? He goes, I don't know. And so they go over there. And Tommy's up there giving a lesson on very conveniently what happens if zombies hit the town. Great scene. no Great speech. But yeah, very convenient. Yeah. Well, because the the thing that made me laugh about it was it it felt very real because yeah Tommy is up there and, you know, he goes, he asked the girl, like, what do? you do and she goes, run on the force. He goes, don't do that. Like he has that moment of like, don't do that.
00:15:07
Speaker
ah But then he goes and someone shot themselves in the leg. I was like, Earl, he's like, yeah, don't be Earl. Like it felt like what a actual meeting would feel like. It's not it's not just a guy up there giving his monologue and then the scene ends.
00:15:21
Speaker
Like it felt like a very interactive and which. I think that obviously that, you know, it's the genius of Craig Mason. He's such a good writer. So yeah. Yeah. I felt like like all those people knew each other. Like it was like, like you said, like it was real. Like they knew each other. Yeah.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yeah, it was, it was, so that was a great scene and having Tommy kind of, it's also nice to having Tommy have his like moment of, um you know, like leadership, even though he's yeah about to lose his mind. So ah yeah, I really liked that. And then after we get to the,
Episode Conclusion & Show Reflection
00:15:50
Speaker
thank God they did not use the bigot sandwich line. I was going to lose my fucking mind if they, if she said these are bigot sandwiches, was going to be so angry but it's still it was basically other than that and this is another moment where we got the Ellie sarcasm where she goes yeah a lot of people drink and they say something they've never thought before like yeah that was such a great line and such great delivery because she's so like
00:16:16
Speaker
like stoic about it, but it was just that great sarcasm. And yeah, what did you think about that? that rule Yeah, that was great. i'm I'm really surprised they didn't kill the bigot sand the the bigot sandwich guy.
00:16:28
Speaker
I thought he was going to be one of those people that would definitely get like a beautiful close-up when they rip off his head or something. But yeah, he was he was never to be seen again, I guess. ah But no, you're right. You're right. thought the speech...
00:16:40
Speaker
I wonder if they're setting up um Tommy as like being the new Joe in the show, which he wasn't really in the game. In the game, no spoilers for the game, but in the game you play as Ellie, of course, and and Tommy is just in the background. But I wonder if they're maybe setting up a a team up here that maybe yeah Tommy goes with Ellie or something. I don't know. I don't know what they're goingnna do because Tommy very prominent.
00:17:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, especially with, like, the whole ja Jackson collapse that we're going to get to. Like, I really am curious as to how they're going to change that part. Because, obviously, we're still probably going to get the same revenge story from Ellie and all that. But I'm really curious because they're you i because Tommy was very, like, one note in Last of Us Part II. Yeah, true.
00:17:21
Speaker
I think they will expand it. And the actor who plays was so good. like Fantastic. He sounds exactly like how Tommy sounded in the game. like Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. Great casting, too. Very likable, too. Because I think i always thought Pedro Pascal did a good job as Joe, but Joe in negu in the movie is very... l el movie The show is very unlikable to me. While in the game, he's very likable.
00:17:40
Speaker
But here, Tommy is extremely likable. Even in that scene we just talked about. Very likable, very realistic. Fun guy to be with. Everybody likes him, too, in the show. So, yeah. I wonder um wonder what they're going to do with him. It's also... Well, we'll get to that later, why he wasn't there. But, yeah.
00:17:56
Speaker
Yeah. And then so we go they go out on their, ah out on their trip and it just shows them leaving. And i don't think they said anything, but then we get to, um um why am I blank? Abby up keeping track and she's about to head back and she hears horses. Nay. And she's like, Ooh, who is that? And since she's so like bullheaded of, we're going to capture someone, we're going to torture, basically torture them.
00:18:21
Speaker
She wants to. They don't want to, obviously. Yeah. Because she said, like, what if they don't speak? And she's like, like, well, we'll see. Exactly.
00:18:32
Speaker
Yeah. So she chases them down the hill. And oh, we forgot while they were walking. He said that some people were out on a patrol and they found a couple of frozen ones. And then a bunch of them were underneath.
00:18:44
Speaker
yeah And this was kind of, it was a cool idea of like, there's frozen ones, but they're still connected. So under the ground, obviously it's a little warmer, so it can stay alive and they can, you know, you come out of it. But to me, a lot of this felt like in the first season, they introduced new lore of where they can like sense each other through the,
00:19:05
Speaker
you know, the roots or whatever. And I feel like after that episode where they did that, they've just forgot to do it again. yeah And so this season they're like, oh shit, we need to do that again. So like, I feel like that's kind of where this birthed of just like, oh shit, we need to have them connect to the roots again. let's know There were also so many of them.
00:19:25
Speaker
Like if you I would have again i understood it if it was like a couple of dozen, but they were like, ah it looked like hundreds of them. yeah It was like, like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was ah it was a day days gone swarm of... Yeah. yeah And then to be completely undiscovered for however long Darren Jackson seemed a bit weird, but that that doesn't matter. the Suspicion of disbelief, I guess.
00:19:45
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, she she starts running down the hill to go get him, and then they're all preparing on the wall. or just you know It's just showing basically... Which, it felt weird because it did feel like...
00:19:57
Speaker
it it was just for the plot to move forward of why they're doing like, we're going to do the, the, what to do if there's a swarm, we're going to prepare at the wall. Like it all felt like you're just too convenient.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah. You're like kind of spoon feeding us that, Hey, something's going to happen at the wall. Like, yeah, it it should have just been another run of the mill thing. Like we shouldn't be sitting there like, Ooh, they're talking about what happens if there's a swarm, Ooh, they're at the wall preparing. Like,
00:20:22
Speaker
It should, yeah especially when they like, it'd be one thing if they're like the white walkers are on their way and they're, you know, they're going to be here soon. But like exactly the fact that they're, they have no idea that a swarm's coming. It just, it felt little, little off to me.
00:20:35
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really know. well Maybe we'll find out later. i don't really know why they did this unless we get back to Jackson a couple of times. But we'll we'll see. Yeah, because that that's the thing is I said this in the first episode. I like that they're making Jackson feel more alive in the show. Yeah, that's cool. Because it was just kind of where they were in the game as opposed to like a place they lived.
00:20:56
Speaker
And so i'm really I really like that they are expanding on Jackson. So I do hope that, yeah, there is like – like scenes in Jackson Wilder in Seattle. Kind of. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah.
00:21:07
Speaker
Yeah. but I mean, they have to, because they showed this, they like, they have to rebuild from what just happened. So it's like, I feel like they have to do something. Yeah. For that. also think Tommy's wife is a great actress. i She was in true blood, I think too. Oh, was she?
00:21:21
Speaker
Yeah. She's a, she's a great actress. What's her name? Maria. Yeah. I don't know her real name, but she, she was great. I love her. Maria is, her name is Routina Wesley. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, she's awesome. She's awesome. i really liked her.
00:21:34
Speaker
Yeah, she was. Yeah, she's very, very good. um And so next we get to a storm starts, you know, kicking up and they tell everyone to take cover. So this is when we get instead of the ah Dina Ellie love fest in the in the in the pot shop or whatever. It's just Jesse and Ellie there. And she's like, I'm going to steal all this weed. And he's like, no, you're not.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah. But I do like that that we we also get the little bit of foreshadowing, not not really foreshadowing, but the the hint of she finds Eugene's Firefly pendant and she's like, oh, this is a Firefly. Because now that she starts feeling that regret of like what happened to the Fireflies of yeah of like when joe like she knew Joe lied to her. And obviously we'll learn a more about that down the road, which we don't spoil, but.
00:22:24
Speaker
that's so so I think we found it out last week, right? That Joel killed Eugene or had to kill Eugene for some reason, which is really cool because in the game, Eugene's dead, but you don't know why. like He's like a non-character in the game, but here he has like a reason.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah, i wonder if it i think it was like a stroke or something someone said in the game. Yes, you're right. Yeah. So, yeah. So we get that little bit of extra Eugene and she's feeling bad because the fireflies are no more kind of thing. Yeah.
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah. um don't remember. Did anything else really happen in that scene? I know she did the joke of like, know you're going to be in charge one day, but you're not now. was weird because like you said, normally we're used that she's there with Dina and that's a pretty big blood point because that's where they come together for the first time, let's say.
00:23:08
Speaker
Yeah. But that doesn't happen here. Friendship expands. yeah Exactly, exactly. But that doesn't really happen here. So I wonder, I think it's really cool because it's obviously going in a different direction. And I wonder what direction that is. Is Jesse going become more prominent? It looks that way right now that maybe Jesse's the new Dina maybe or...
00:23:28
Speaker
yeah i don't know I don't know what they're going to do. It's cool. yeah i wonder like yeah Yeah, we'll find out. But yeah, because he he plays a very minor role in the game compared yeah to what he's had so far. but yeah um So next we get to Abby is still chasing the horses and she falls. And this is where she finds the frozen, which again, it's kind of like...
00:23:50
Speaker
If it was like maybe last episode or just a different way of mentioning it, like the second you see the frozen ones, you're like, oh, there's a bunch of them underneath yeah because like they already said it. yeah So there's really no surprise to this. You're just kind of like, all right, when are they going to wake up?
00:24:04
Speaker
Yeah. Kind of thing. But I did. It was very cool. Like the ground starts shifting beneath her. And yeah I really enjoyed that part of it. But yeah, it looked great.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah, so, yeah, it did, where they're all just climbing out of the ground. and yeah Yeah. So they chase her, and this is very almost one-to-one in the game where she goes to this... The fence. The factory, gets under the fence. Yeah. but yeah I remember when the trailer came out and they showed her, like, under the fence. I was like, oh, they're doing it. That part is so good. But then, of course, it also spoils. Oh, she's going to meet Joel, and then we all going to happen. Exactly, yeah.
00:24:38
Speaker
But, yeah, I really loved that moment. where It did... It almost felt like... In the game, it never felt really that terrifying. Like, obviously, it was just kind of like, oh, my God, there's a bunch of zombies. But they always felt like they're on the other side of the fence. Whereas in this, like, you see one of their hands going through the fence like it's coming through because he's so desperate to get through. And one of them does break down and get to her. Yeah.
00:25:00
Speaker
Well, it's also in the in the game, of course, since we're playing as her, we know she's not going to die realistically because you're playing as her in that moment. Well, here in the show, you don't know what they're changing or what they're going to do. So there's this extra sense of danger, I guess. I mean, I don't think they're going to kill Abby in episode two, but you never know. You never know what they're doing.
00:25:17
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. But yeah, so then obviously what happens is Joel is the one to find her, which is kind of like i'll I let it slide. I don't really care. But at the same time, it is like, oh, what a coincidence. The one person she's trying to find is the one person who finds her. je that's that's why i thought That's why I thought it was a little bit annoying to me that they that she already told everyone her plan.
00:25:38
Speaker
Because at this point, if you didn't know that she was there to find Joel – You wouldn't have second. You wouldn't have. You won't think about it. It was just cool. it just That is true. i yeah, I will give you that for. Yeah. So I guess there is really plus and minuses of introducing Abby beforehand. But yeah, I i do. i do agree. But then obviously it does the thing of Dina's like, hey, Joel, what are we doing? And it's like, ah oh, because then you see the look on her face like, oh, shit, I don't have my gun on me. He's got his gun.
00:26:05
Speaker
Oh shit. What am I doing? So great acting. She did so such a great job there. Yeah. I, I, yeah. Again, I love Caitlin Dever is Abby in this and, but yeah, Dina, I will say Dina just felt kind of like they're just to say Joel's name.
00:26:20
Speaker
Literally. Yeah. yeah Like that's really all she, all she was in these, in these scenes for, but yeah so yeah, they, so they save her and she's like, and then that's when her plan comes together of, Oh, my friends are right up the hill. We can go, see them.
00:26:35
Speaker
she um But yeah, so they see her and then we cut to ah it's just Tommy and going into the girl who's on the radio just saying get everyone home and not really not really much to add to that scene unless you got anything with that. no no, no. Just a lot of foreshadowing to what's about to happen.
00:26:55
Speaker
and Maybe it would have been better if all of this was in episode one. Like the speech and and everything there. Because now, you like you said, it it it all happened so fast. It was like very convenient. Everything that happened this episode was very convenient. But it's a TV show. so Yeah. And we'll we'll get to it later on why.
00:27:13
Speaker
Like I told people, I'm like, I thought this episode was okay. and And it's not it's go not for the reason you guys are thinking. So yeah we'll we'll we'll get to it. but Sure. Yes. So it's ah Jesse and Ellie are just still chilling at the at Eugene's place. And where you call of ah Joel and Gina aren't home yet. Like, can you guys get a hold of them? And that's when Ellie, which I really love, because I wonder we talked about this last week. I don't want to spoil exactly. We didn't spoil what it was, but there's a scene between Joel and Abby that was or ah Joel and Ellie that was seemingly cut from the first time.
00:27:48
Speaker
yeah And so I'm wondering if they will still find a way to patch that in later because you have to. Yeah, yeah because you can tell like she's even though she's mad at him and all this, you can tell she's very scared for for Joe. And like, I mean, I guess maybe in some people said they might be thinking, oh, she's scared for Dina. But no, you can tell she's terrified for Joel and she wants to get out there and help him.
00:28:10
Speaker
So they go and they split their ways and they go searching for him. And then at this point it cuts to the city. They're just working on those pipes again. And the guy rips out some things and he sees the, uh, the cordyceps, the cordyceps, which this is another thing. Like we were saying, it all feels so rushed and so convenient. Like I really thought this was going to be a slow burn. Like someone was going to accidentally touch them or something and get infected. i thought it was going to be something like that, where it was like a very slow internal thing.
00:28:42
Speaker
But instead, it they do the thing of the roots have been compromised. Now all the swarm heads that way. Yeah. And that's kind of where I felt like it was very Walking Dead, where I'm just like, it was. Oh, now we're just getting a swarm of zombies to attack just because we need action kind of thing. Like, it's it's a nice addition because it adds on to what happened in the game. But at the same time, I was like, this just feels like.
00:29:07
Speaker
People complained there weren't enough zombies last season and now we need more zombies. but hey There's also the problem that they did didn't establish any characters in Jackson, except for the bigot guy who is not somehow not in this episode.
00:29:20
Speaker
um But there's really only um Tommy and his wife who you know in this episode. And they have plot armor. So – Exactly. And so everyone else is expendable. and Yeah.
00:29:32
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, it's, it's just, so yeah, we cut to, they're chasing away and then ah the swarms are chasing um ah Joel, Abby and Dina and they start swerving away. That looked cool.
00:29:46
Speaker
That was, that was a really cool shot. which the tour Yeah. It was really, it was funny. I was watching with my girlfriend and she goes, are they going to fight? Like she thought the swarms were going to each other to fight. Yeah. And I'm like, no they're going to Jackson where the tendrils are. That line made me laugh. But then we cut to Jackson and they're the ah the lookout guy is looking out and he sees the White Walkers start approaching the wall.
00:30:15
Speaker
And ah then obviously this I really did like, though, because it kind of shows how did they defend the town. And they did like the... the big drums of gasoline or whatever they're dumping down. Yeah. And so them actually swarming the town, I thought looked cool because it's like, it does get to show it, but then it does a thing of like, I love the bloaters, but like it became like, you know, the thing in Lord of the Rings where he's running with a porch and it's just like,
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah, it's Helm's Deep and he blows up the he blows up the the waterway. And it's just like, oh, really? We're art like, I guess you have to up the ante by doing it. But like, it should have been a thing of just showing how Jackson defends itself, not in a complete because once Helm's Deep is broken, those guys are they're screwed. Like the amount of zombies that were running, it was like there was um as many zombies as the plot needed.
00:31:07
Speaker
And so – Yeah. I almost – have you seen DayZ? Because I kind of wish they did it like DayZ. Like they would just pile up each other and then just run up the walls. Well, they kind of started doing that. So I actually thought they were going to do that too. but But at the same time, it it just felt like – like i said, it felt very Walking Dead of just like – they're The zombies are only as dangerous as the plot requires. like That was one of my complaints about the first episode is sure when Dina and Ellie are in the shop. There's two clickers by them, which are like the deadliest things other than bloaters.
00:31:38
Speaker
But they're sitting there like... oh o I'm like, those things are... ahifying And they're treating it like it's nothing. They're doing like their little CW interaction. and I was just like, oh, man.
00:31:51
Speaker
So then now we have the swarm coming and suddenly they're the scariest things ever. and Yeah. yeah The bloater was really scary, though. That was Jesus.
00:32:01
Speaker
Yeah. So it cuts through and then, yeah, they all break through the wall. there's It's a cool fight scene. And then the thing i was like, i don't know why. I wonder why they did this where it's like Joel sees the town.
00:32:15
Speaker
It's like, does he, is it, was it like a thing of he either had the choice of saving his town or saving another girl he was with or like, i what was it that made him do that? wonder. I think that's exactly it. They wanted to give him the agency to to get back. Like as soon as they enter, as soon as they enter the cabin, he's like, okay, we got to go get your guns. We're, we're going back to town now. So yeah.
00:32:38
Speaker
Yeah. I, I, yeah. So I think that is it. Yeah. So it kind of she says like, we're only a minute up the Hill. Let's go up there. And it cuts back to Jackson and all that stuff is going down. And uh then we the breakthrough happens which and this is one of the most annoying parts of it is so obviously they're smart enough they start breaking through windows getting upstairs to you know get the rooftop koreans to get and kill them all and uh but then of course they all get up there and start killing people and marie's just walking through them like yeah just weaving bobbing and weaving i'm like the aor bob armor yeah
00:33:14
Speaker
Yeah, that felt that felt really... like It was also... Wasn't it weird to you that the zombies like ran through the houses upstairs? like How did they know those people were on the roof? They're zombies. They like did they don't think.
00:33:25
Speaker
but Somehow they knew to navigate through the houses to the roofs. so Yeah, they hear noises coming from the roof, but they don't know how to yeah get up through the house. like yeah It's one thing if they start charging at the buildings because that's where the sound's coming from. But yeah, they're like... And they didn't lock the doors upstairs. Like...
00:33:44
Speaker
You guys know you're in town for if they get in town and you're not protecting yourself. So they just like they just opened the door basically. And I'm like, wait, what? Yeah. And then, of course.
00:33:55
Speaker
Yeah. So she's like bobbing and weaving, but she's still alive. And then the bloater comes through and Tommy distracts it because she's going. He's going for Maria because she's shooting him. I'm like, yeah. So she now she's just had her back to the doors that they're already swarming through, and she's just shooting down at the bloater? Like, why would she do that? Well, Tommy, too, well because at that moment, Tommy is, like, surrounded by the swarm, and he's just shooting the bloater. But you see zombies running past him at that point.
00:34:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it was. Yeah, this is Yeah, this is my biggest. So what people don't what it might be surprised about is that this was actually my biggest gripe of the episode is this fur yeah like which is because honestly, we'll get to it later. of what My biggest complaint is like I'm pitching up all this stuff, but my biggest complaint is coming up later.
00:34:40
Speaker
But we do get the cool moment of all the flamethrower dudes are attacking. And then the one thing I do like is that he does lead it away by himself. And you think he's about to die because he's using the flamethrower on him. But it's just enough to finally kill it.
00:34:56
Speaker
And that does it does make the bloater super terrifying. Yeah. in that Yeah. In that sense. So it's so funny that those. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no. i was just saying. And it's such a cool design. love the design. of the Yes.
00:35:06
Speaker
No, definitely. It was also funny that those two other flamethrower guys just run away. yeah Like they drop their flamethrowers and just run. Yeah. And then the next moment, another moment, which I thought was very stupid from this is I guess animals don't get affected because they release a bunch of dogs to bite everyone. Yeah. That was weird. Yeah.
00:35:24
Speaker
Yeah. I'm like, where did this come from? One, they've never addressed that they have dogs. Like yeah there's just suddenly a room of dogs that they have yeah his zombies break in, I guess. Yeah.
00:35:37
Speaker
What? It just felt like they're just like, we need to show all the cool ways we can defend ourselves. and You also have to shoot zombies in the head, and dogs can't shoot. So do you see the dogs like ripping their throats out, but that doesn't stop them, right? Or does it?
00:35:52
Speaker
I don't know. Don't the infected just die? Because aren't they still like living humans who are just overtaken? Oh, I guess maybe, yeah. I feel like people do die just by like shooting them in the chest. But I guess a headshot is the finishing move. Like I guess they can keep moving if they're shot. right You're right. I'm thinking of the walking bit. You're right. You're right.
00:36:12
Speaker
Yeah. Well, what do you that's what do you expect? Because this episode is a lot like it. But – Then so we cut to now they get back to the cabin. And i was honestly, i was curious if this was going to happen in this scene. I mean, obviously, just because they were upstairs and it was light out because in the game, it was a very dark basement they were in. And I was so was like, the setting feels different here. So I was curious if they were actually going to do it. But they did. she Because he goes, I saved your life. And she goes, what life? And shoots him right in the leg. And I was like, oh, fuck that.
00:36:46
Speaker
Because they even show him like like get shot back and his legs get out and he just hits the ground. It's like, oh. Very painful, yeah. Fuck. Yeah, so we get that. And then, yeah the whole, okay.
00:36:58
Speaker
We're just putting it to sleep. I'm like. Weird. Very, very weird choice. Yeah. Like, like I get it because no one else wants to hurt anyone who's not Joel. So I get why.
00:37:10
Speaker
but at the same time, it's like, well, she she also tells him in that moment, like, tell us the truth and I won't kill her. But I don't know if she's serious or not because it's very weird that they put her to sleep because why is she there then? Like that that that doesn't – narratively that doesn't make a ah whole lot of sense.
00:37:27
Speaker
um Yeah. Because it's like – yeah. So somehow she's there terrified of her life for – because, yeah, they go through it and she's like, oh, this is this person, this person. Like as if – if I was that person and I woke up, they're like, who else was there? I'm like,
00:37:41
Speaker
don't know, some bald chick and three other people. i don't fucking know. but Some assholes. Let's fucking kill them. don't know. So the girl from into Intergalactic was there. Yeah, okay the girl from Intergalactic, some white guy, Mexican, and some Indian girl. I don't fucking know.
00:37:55
Speaker
I don't know. hello So yeah, they put her to sleep and then that's when the the torture begins and it It gets brutal really quickly.
00:38:07
Speaker
But this, though, before she starts actually whacking his wound with the the ah golf club, her delivery of like, that was my dad. She's like crying. It's like, it was so good.
00:38:18
Speaker
It was. i I loved her in this scene. It was because, again, it's like I said, I guess it's the whole thing of. introducing her ahead of time, even though like we said, there's the plus and minuses, but her delivering those lines, it makes you think like, do I support what she's doing?
00:38:37
Speaker
yeah But the only, problem the only problem with it, even though I did like the move where she's kind of monologue and it goes, I'll just fucking do it already. Like, or if you're going to do it, do it. or whatever you said, like as much as I like that line, you'd think she'd be like,
00:38:51
Speaker
He was ah your dad was about to kill a girl for no reason. And I wanted to save her. And he was the only thing standing my way. like Exactly. You think like because to them, they think he just came in and slaughtered everyone for no reason.
00:39:03
Speaker
So you think he'd be like, no, she's my daughter. Like he would lie. She's my daughter. And your dad was about to kill her. And that's why I did it. And then maybe she'd have a little bit of hesitation.
00:39:14
Speaker
But instead, he's like, I'll just fucking do it. Yeah, I think everything that he's ever done, he he he was getting his comeuppance and he knew he knew that it was going to happen. So I think he just gave up at that moment.
00:39:26
Speaker
Did you know that, it or of course you do, because you played the game. In the game, it happens a little bit differently. In the game, before she tells her speech, he tells her, um like, tell you tell tell whatever line you have rehearsed and get it over with. While here, he basically tells her in the middle of her speech, just shut up and get it over with. Shut the fuck up and get it over with, which is...
00:39:45
Speaker
Pretty badass, of course, yeah. Yeah, I think... i Well, again, with the – so in the in the game, she obviously – we'll get to the actual death. But in the game, she like bashes his head in.
00:39:59
Speaker
And in this, she stabs him. So it's like legitimately in the game, when that happened, I thought like, oh, he beat the – because again, we don't know why she's there or why she's doing anything. So I thought maybe he's alive. Maybe she's just beating the shit out of him and he's going to be fine.
00:40:15
Speaker
Yeah. But so like literally when it cuts to later in the game, she's sitting at his grave. I'm like, oh my God, he's actually dead. Like, and it just felt so much like more draining for me. Whereas in this, I guess, i don't know. It might also just be because I knew it was coming.
00:40:31
Speaker
So, but I'm sitting there when it happened, I was just like, Oh, well, he's dead. Yeah, it it happens in in a less more organic way. In the game, it it felt way more organic because she yeah she she keeps clubbing him to death. And then at the end, when Ellie enters, they yell, like, just get it over with, just do it. And she clubs him one more time. But here, for some reason, she gets, like, the shaft of the golf club and stabs him in the neck pretty slowly. It was pretty – I don't know why they changed that again. It's it's like a weird – Weird little little change that I don't get why. Because it doesn't really enhance it.
00:41:06
Speaker
ah I wonder if it was just... Honestly, here's what I... i could Obviously, I can be wrong. I don't know shit. But yeah the thing i think is why is because...
00:41:19
Speaker
In The Walking Dead, when Negan crushed someone's skull with a baseball bat, everyone stopped watching. Very good point. Yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, so I think they didn't want to show Pedro Pascal's skull get crushed in. Well, I mean, it got crushed in Game of Thrones, but...
00:41:33
Speaker
but True. But I think – I really do think that they didn't want to show like the most brutal death to beloved character. That's a very good point. Yeah. Because I really do wonder – I said this to my my girlfriend when edit. I go, I wonder how many people are going stop watching the show after this episode because – ah Because honestly, that Negan, it killed that show.
00:41:57
Speaker
It did. i give I only watched like three episodes of the next season. i was like, I can't fucking stay on the show anymore. And I stopped watching like every most people did. Yeah. Yeah, it killed that show. i just I hope that it's more of a Game of Thrones moment of like, I can't believe that happened and what's going to happen next.
00:42:14
Speaker
Or if it really is going to be like, I was watching this because I love Pedro Pascal. Well, that's one of the reasons why I think they they prepped up Tommy so much this episode. Because Tommy really was the hero this episode. And he was like kind of the troll this episode. So I think maybe they're hoping, and I think it's working actually too, that they're hoping that people will latch onto Tommy now.
00:42:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think so, too. um So then obviously she does the she kills him and Ellie had shown up and gets tackled down. And this is another moment.
00:42:46
Speaker
There was only one moment in season one where i was like, Bella Ramsey might actually be a good actress. And it was when what Henry, i think Henry or Sam, I can't remember. Yeah. When he kills himself off camera and you just hear go like, oh, and like one tear comes down her cheek. I was like, oh, damn, that was really good acting. Holy shit. And so this is actually another moment, even though I think Ashley Johnson is way fucking better Ellie.
00:43:10
Speaker
She does a very good job of like just being mortified as to what's happening. And she does, I'm going to kill you. And she did it. She did a very good job. yes she did. Even though when she cries, she looks like a newborn baby.
00:43:23
Speaker
um With fetal syndrome. But yeah. you're you're a you're But so this is kind of where the episode lost me a little bit is they all they kill her or kill him. They leave and she crawls over and she's on his body. Like, you know, it's all a very powerful scene.
00:43:41
Speaker
And it the camera pans up with Ashley Johnson singing that song. And it's a very, very beautiful moment. yeah But the episode's not over. Then we see them walking away like we got the job done. And then it cuts back to Jackson. I'm like, yeah this should all be next episode. this yeah This episode should be ending with her crying over his body. Yeah.
00:44:02
Speaker
yeah or Which is... yeah Oh, no. You you go. Well, I think it should have ended like in the game. like Kick her in the face, boom, credits. like That's what I thought was going to happen. i I thought they were going to knock her unconscious. because But I guess it it does make sense to have her react to his body because sure she just lost her dad, basically.
00:44:22
Speaker
But um yeah, it cuts away. And this is, like I said, my biggest gripe because... I think the Jackson stuff could have worked in maybe a different episode under different circumstances. But to me, it felt like they use this huge action set piece, which takes away from this crucial moment in the game.
00:44:43
Speaker
yeah And it felt so distracting from it. Like we have this horrifying death by a character you love. And then it just comes back and he's like, there's swarm of zombies. It's just like, yeah.
00:44:56
Speaker
no let's we need to stay on the other stuff a little longer we can't i don't care about jackson right now our lead character just died yeah you you literally also see them drag his body through the snow with on their under under on horseback while they're on horseback so dina has woken up at some point we didn't see so again why was she there if they so if they skip through that whole phase where she wakes up and ellie and dina talk um Yeah.
00:45:22
Speaker
And obviously in the next episode, she, uh, well, the thing is like, she, like they show, i don't know if you watch the like next time on dragon balls, anything like course they showed the, uh, her like waking up and crying and it's like, but you weren't knocked unconscious. Why are you waking up freaking out? Like, so, cause that's why I thought like, oh, they'll kick her in the face and she'll wake up later. And Dean is going to say, here's what happened. And yeah, I love you.
00:45:48
Speaker
And, ah And so, yeah, it it just, I like, again, i had i had no problem with this moment in the game. I thought it was a yeah a very bold move to happen in the game, ah especially when all the marketing was around Ellie and Abby were like, is it going to be about them, not Joel?
00:46:06
Speaker
And so everyone kind of had a feeling it was going to happen, but no one actually knew. And I avoided the leaks, thankfully. So that had nothing to do with my my dislike of anything in that game. But again, like I said, it was pacing mostly. But ah but yeah, I was like, this is this should have left me stunned. Like yeah so many moments in Game of Thrones where the credits roll and you're just like,
00:46:30
Speaker
What just happened, yeah. like But instead, it's just like... i you know Obviously, I'm sure many people were stunned. Like, holy... What? Just like with this... i wonder if that's the case. Because when you look online or like on Twitter, ah you see people who didn't play the game or didn't know the game.
00:46:47
Speaker
Nobody's really shocked. They're more like... Not annoyed, but they're more like, oh I'm so sad this happened. But this should be like a, oh, my God moment. This is like a red wedding moment. And it's it doesn't seem to be that way, really. Yeah, which is the other reason why I think it might not lose the audience like it did with Walking Dead. Because no, well, I don't know That might be a bad thing, though, is the fact that no one cares that much that they're like, I'm done. like you Like, there should be moments that are so bad that people are like, I can't do this anymore. Like, it's too much. But the fact that it happens and then we get you know two more minutes of – I mean, obviously they want to do the little montage of the sad music happening. But yeah again, it's like they fought this army of zombies and then apparently they just won and they were fine.
00:47:33
Speaker
It didn't seem like the population of Jackson was in line with the population of the amount of zombies that – Yeah. Charge the city. So it just felt kind of weird of like it's Tommy's sad and he's finds Maria and like, oh, well, we thank God we had plot armor. We're good. Everyone else is dying and everything's on fire. But and then the one thing I did like about the moment of the final shot of them dragging the body was.
00:48:01
Speaker
I like that Ellie was so distraught that she looked back at It's like, there's no way he's actually back there, right? like Yeah. That can't be his body. He's not he's not dead. he's like it was It was a very well act, again, not being on Bella Ramsey, but it was a she she did she did well in this episode. I will say that.
00:48:18
Speaker
Well, she's a great actress. it's It's not that she's a bad actress. She just is not – she doesn't look – well, you don't have to look like Ellie. She just looks like a little little kid. Like she she's saying she's supposed to be 20 here that she's not 20 or 19 or whatever. Yeah. She's supposed to be 19 years old. And it's yeah thing also, it's like I ah going back to like the first episode, she beat up a guy half her size or twice her size and three times her weight. Like, come on.
00:48:45
Speaker
It's not working. But honestly, it makes sense that, I mean, i shit. When the first game came out, I fan cast Caitlin Dever as Ellie because I thought she looked just like, cause I had, I had seen her and justified and a couple other things. She was great in that. Yeah.
00:49:00
Speaker
Yeah. And so I, I always loved that actress and I was like, she would, she looks just like Ellie. Like she should play her. And then of course they cast Bella and then, but they cast her as Abby and I was like, what? Like, I feel like they should have just, I feel like they did just to spite the people of Ann Casterozzi. It's really weird because you you would imagine they did this in Game of Thrones, like in the House of the Dragons, who where they had like the first season with like a younger actress. And then in the second season, they jumped 10 years and they just picked a different actress.
00:49:27
Speaker
I think they could have gotten their away with that here too. um Yeah. The only problem with that is those actresses kind of look alike. And who are you going to get who kind of looks like Bella Ramsey? Yeah. Because, like, honestly, again, the other fan cast of, like, of just season two at Ellie is that girl from a Alien Romulus. she looks She looks exactly. Yeah, she looks exactly like her. Yeah. And so she would have been perfect. But then, of course, it would have been such a shock of going from Bella Ramsey to this ah beautiful actress. True. Yeah. Yeah. It would have been a little, little. ah
00:50:00
Speaker
little weird but yeah ah you but you want to feel bad for her it because she's obviously like you said she's a great actress she has scenes where she's awesome but she just it just it's just not the right she has not the right face for it like did it's just yeah well and and i noticed it hasn't been so much in this season but in the well i guess actually there have been a couple lines where she sounds like she's kind of mumbling through it yeah and it must be the british accent sneaking through or something like she's struggling to keep her accent back because Yeah, there are some times where she mumbles and I'm just like, that was your best delivery. Like you guys can take another take.
00:50:33
Speaker
let Yeah. Like, yeah, I'm not saying like every actress needs to be hot or like Dina. She's no, no, of course. But yeah, but like, yeah, she just she she got the she got the part because she was the little girl in Game of Thrones. at every Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:49
Speaker
Of course. Yeah, i don't know. but I think it ah so far it's not problematic yet, but I think it will be problematic once she starts taking out like the the Salt Lake crew.
00:51:00
Speaker
because you The trailer, well, we're not going to spoil what happens, of course, but in the trailer for this season with the red the red lights behind her, you know what happens in that scene. and yeah But her face doesn't really convey that in in that trailer. Yeah. Yeah, she looks like she's trying to – that the power went out she's trying to find the bathroom. Not that she's about to go on a revenge tour. so Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to see because, yeah, I don't see her as this deadly force. and No. Though I am so – the one thing I am excited about this season is I want them to expand on that cult.
00:51:35
Speaker
Yes, the Seraphites. Yeah, the Seraphites. I am so – because that was another part I thought was so cool in the game. like I loved all that. So I wonder if they're even going to get to it this year because or this season because did they even like mention anyone being cast as Lev or anything? cause No, and it's only seven episodes too. We're already basically halfway done.
00:51:56
Speaker
um Yeah. you so know them You already know that the next episode is going to be them grieving about Joel and discussing what they're going to do. So they probably won't get to Seattle till episode four. And that, my other thought when I was, I was driving off from work and I was thinking about this. I was like, i wonder if they're going to have any, I hope they don't, but like have any filler episodes where they're like in the middle of the country. Like they're not, or I guess they're not, I guess Wyoming isn't that far from Seattle, but ah are they going to be ah up in i don't know Idaho or whatever? Like,
00:52:25
Speaker
or i Because I kind of – like I want them just to cut to them being in Seattle. But at the same time, it's like do they get there that easily? Like I don't know. But I don't think they can afford to have the filler of them getting to Seattle.
00:52:38
Speaker
Not with seven episodes. So I don't think they can do a bill episode this this season. That would be really jarring and weird. um That happened – last season that happened because they still had to establish themselves I think. But you can't do that twice. You can't do that again I think.
00:52:52
Speaker
Yeah, and as everyone knows, I thought the Bill episode was a huge mistake. So not because – I just – he was done so much better in the game. it it just Yeah, I agree. I agree. way there and what day What they could do maybe – maybe that' that's what what's going to happen now is that we get a Tommy episode or something. Yeah.
00:53:10
Speaker
Yeah, and because that's the thing is in the in the game, you just kind of see the aftermath of Tommy being in places. yeah Again, not wanting to spoil anything, but I do wonder if we will see Tommy doing what he's doing in Seattle, which yeah i hope I hope we do. Because obviously, like I said, I love the actors playing Tommy, and he's doing such a good job. So I do so i want more.
00:53:31
Speaker
he You notice, of course, but he's like the brother of the guy from Andor. there Oh, is he? Yeah, yeah, they're brothers in real life, which is really funny. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. i never I never finished Andor, but I do like the guy who plays him.
00:53:45
Speaker
He's a good actor. but Yeah, that starts tomorrow, so they're like competing. Well, not competing. They're both on like the biggest shows at the moment, which is really funny. Yeah, I'm really curious if they're going to be able to hold up or live up to that first season because I feel like it's kind of one of those things of like – I don't trust Disney with anything anymore. So I feel like they would just throw a bunch of shit the wall and one of them stuck. So they're now they're like, oh, got got to replicate it. Keep replicating it. It's like, you might.
00:54:12
Speaker
We'll see. but the ah The only good thing that the or the only good thing, the thing that gives me hope is that it's the final season. So they they they're not going to make a third one. They can't because it's a prequel. And after this, it's Rogue One. And then, well, you know what happens? You only have so much time when it's a prequel. Yeah, that's for sure. Exactly. Exactly. So i I'm hopeful they they they get to end it. But but we'll same thing with The Last of Us, too, because we have we're in season two now. Then you would assume that next year or two years we'll get season two point B. But then what happens afterwards if we don't have the third game? Are they just going to figure it out or make it up or what's going to happen?
00:54:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's the thing. I wonder, like, I mean, if they were smart, they would completely scrap the Uncharted movie and and just do a show. but but yeah, like, I mean, didn't they just come out? Didn't Neil Druckmann just come out and say, like, don't keep your hopes up for part three or something like that? Like, yeah, you do. It's not a thing.
00:55:07
Speaker
he He also said that about part two, though. So you'll never know with these with these developers. they're They're always lying. Of course, they're like keeping things a secret. But I don't I think people would get upset if the show ends it.
00:55:18
Speaker
If the show gets there before the game, look at what happened to Game of Thrones. um Oh, God. yeah Oh, that's those final two seasons make me want to kill myself. But well, honestly, also, i even if they're if they're like legit, if there is no part three game,
00:55:37
Speaker
people are not going to be happy if the game ends that way. Like the show, if the show ends that way, thank that like it is a, it is a, you know, fairly powerful ending, even though i I'm not there. I have my critiques of the ending, but of the very ending ending,
00:55:53
Speaker
It's a great ending for a game. I don't know if that's a great ending for a show, though. No, people, people, oh, it's such a cliche, but it's true. People want happy endings, even though they say they don't and they want the tragic ending for a TV show. They want a happy ending.
00:56:07
Speaker
so Yeah. igna Not not a not an unended ending. Yeah. but Even for the game, I thought it was a great ending for the game, but also because I you know there's going to be a third game because I think if this was it, I would also be like, it's really cool. But How do you end it? What happens to Abby?
00:56:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, ah but yeah, overall, I thought it was a good episode. ah didn't It wasn't as good as I was hoping it would be, because I really did think that they would like, this is the episode they had to nail, in my opinion.
00:56:39
Speaker
So the fact that they kind of fumbled it makes me not super happy, but it wasn't bad. I definitely won't say it's bad, but. No, it's it's high definitely high quality. The way it shot, the music, the song at the end, perfect, perfect song at the end.
00:56:53
Speaker
Beautiful, great acting too. But you I share the same sentiment. it's I don't know if that's because we played the game or not. That's very... It's very mind boggling to me that that so many people – I don't know anyone who hasn't played the games and then watched the show. So I want to know what those people think too.
00:57:10
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, it's really – yeah, because the whole Joel dying thing obviously is one. But it's just really – like I said – the attack on Jackson takes away from it. Like you're distracting us from ah huge emotional moment. And so, yeah, it just, it didn't land that for me, but the, but I mean, how Joel or Pedro Pascal acted it all out. And obviously it was all, it was all great, but yeah, yeah. As an episode, it's just, ah, it didn't. I'm very curious because Sean is obviously, he loves the game like you do. So I'm very curious as to what he thinks about this episode. And I'll, uh, hopefully they'll, hopefully we'll be back next week. And obviously you are always welcome to join us for these also, but,
00:57:51
Speaker
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Well, whenever you need someone, I'll be around at some point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah like next Next week, i'll we'll let you know. ah i i didn't tell them you were on. So I told them I was like, we're going to have a guest and you were going to love her so they're goingnna pi they're goingnna very piss yeah like it. Yeah.
00:58:10
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know if you have anything else to say about either the episodes or... and No, I like what they're doing. I don't love what they're doing. And I think that's a shame. Because like you said, I love both games. I love The Last of Us 2. I do think it's a masterpiece. And i it annoys me that I like the game more than the show. Because i see I think the show has so much potential.
00:58:30
Speaker
But I think, like you also said, when they deviated from the game in the show in season one, like when they made that Bill episode, I thought Bill in the game was way better than the Bill in the show.
00:58:41
Speaker
So I'm scared they're going to do something like that again. Which I hope they don't. So i'm I'm very curious to see where it will go. But I think the show is is really, great really good. Not great, but really good. Like ah a solid 7.5, 8 out of 10.
00:58:53
Speaker
I am excited, though, with the show is that they did say they are bringing back the spores again. They didn't do it in the first episode season because, don't know, I guess they said they didn't want it to be like everyone's constantly worried about breathing or something. I don't know what it was. But...
00:59:06
Speaker
They didn't do it in the first season, but they are so they did say they're bringing back the spores for this season. So I'm very curious. I mean, obviously, it's going to be the big moment of of of Ellie breathing something in, which I obviously don't want to spoil anything else. But obviously, Ellie's immune. She can't. She can breathe in the spores in the first game she could. So it's not a spoiler, really. but So she's going to breathe in the spores, and that's going to give away some stuff. Yeah.
00:59:30
Speaker
yeah But yeah, so i'm i'm curious i'm I'm excited. I am excited to watch this show because like I said, I really want this show to give me a renewed love of what the story of the of the second game was. Because sure again, like a story of revenge and a story and Joel dying, like that's that none of that was anything I had any problem with. i like And of course there's you know the dumb shit woke people on, anti-woke people on the internet are just like, oh there's a tranny. you yeah have tra like like just Shut up. i Even though like, obviously in the, in the post apocalypse, you're not going to worried about pronouns, but the reason why, the reason why ah this character who don't want to spoil things, obviously the reason why she's trans is a cool,
01:00:10
Speaker
concept as to why it was really well done yeah yeah it's it's not a it's not a gender dysphoria social contagion it's like i don't want to do what they want me to do like exactly and so it was really really well done and i am excited for that so which is the other thing of like when i say i don't like this game as much other people they always assume it's like the it's because of the trend i'm like no it's not that It's the pacing of the game and other shit. So, yeah, but don't know. i So I'm excited to see. I want this show to reinvigorate my my it's adoration of this series because, again, the first game is a masterpiece. I like overall really liked the first season and I've liked what they've done with second season.
01:00:52
Speaker
yeah You know, obviously, other than a couple minor ah whatever dislikes. but Sure. Sure. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. But yeah, that's all I got for this episode or DLC number 13 of games over plastic. Uh, if anyone has any comments about the thing, if we missed anything you want to talk about or anything, please leave a comment.
01:01:14
Speaker
Let us know what you thought about the episode. I really am curious, not just to read comments on the podcast and, uh, yeah inflate my own ego. I'm very curious as to what other people are thinking about this show because and if you haven't played the games, I'm very curious as to did that golfing moment, speaking in which I'm wearing a golfing hat, did that golf moment ah do for you what the Red Wedding did for us back in Game of Thrones? And I'm very curious about that. And what everyone thinks about this. So again, thank you, Locke, for joining me this week.
01:01:42
Speaker
I did not want to do this episode alone because I doubt I can podcast alone. Oh, you could definitely pull it off. But thank you for having me. It was fun. I always love talking here talk with you about anything. So it was a lot of fun. Thank you. Yeah. i love We always love having you on the show. So we always appreciate that. But until next week's episode, i will say for Locke and me, thank you and I love you and work on your golf swing.