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DLC 12. Future Days - The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 1 Spoilercast
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The Last of Us is back, in show form! Join Sean and Hodge as we discuss the season 2 premiere. The good, the bad, and the video game comparisons!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello and welcome to a very special DLC episode of Games Over Plastic. This is the first of what will be in a weekly series in which Hodge and I are going to be recapping The Last of Us Season 2.
00:00:47
Speaker
Obviously going be starting with Episode 1 which aired Last night, precisely 9 o'clock Eastern. um But before we do that, you can listen. You can ah follow us on um you know all the podcast services of your choice. You can like us on YouTube. Leave us a comment. leave us ah Leave us a review.
00:01:06
Speaker
um Really just tell us how you're feeling. Tell us what you think of the episodes as well. We'd love to get some feedback from... um the audience on how if they're enjoying or if they're absolutely hating The Last of Us season two.
00:01:17
Speaker
It's really up to you. But we for we, um you know, we want all the feedback we can get.
Episode 1 Recap and Character Impressions
00:01:25
Speaker
right, Hodge, before we jump into the episode, initial thoughts, what do you think of episode one?
00:01:32
Speaker
i um so I was thinking we probably should just kind of talk about the show itself and then maybe near the end we can kind of do the game comparison thing because obviously they're two different things.
00:01:43
Speaker
yeah So as for the episode just on its own, i actually did quite enjoy it. ah Though I will say I did find Dina very annoying. I don't I didn't like her in the game so I don't really like her in this either.
00:01:57
Speaker
um And then obviously Bella Ramsey as Ellie has always been a Whatever. But the overall, I really enjoyed it. I liked that they expanded kind of on the the in leading into the game. Like just how they did with the first season where they they really expanded on Sarah.
00:02:15
Speaker
And they had way more about her and day one of the outbreak and stuff. So I really like that they're doing that in this season too of not jumping straight into...
00:02:27
Speaker
I mean, granted, most the stuff that they did is in the game. It's just, it was flashbacks later on the game rather than the start of the game. So I think there, I think, which was my biggest complaint with the game is the pacing. So I think they might, I mean, it seems like they're doing a pretty good job of improving the pre pacing out the gate.
00:02:43
Speaker
And then obviously ah we'll get to some plot points when we get to them, but yeah, overall I'm, I'm enjoying it. And, uh, Caitlin Denver is Abby and what little we got to see of her. i I enjoyed her as well. So I'm hoping that I actually like Abby in the show because I did not like her in the game at all.
00:02:59
Speaker
So I'm hoping she becomes a little more of a sympathetic character for me in this one. Yeah, I think so far I really enjoyed
Exploring Jackson and New Scenes
00:03:07
Speaker
the first episode. I totally agree with you. I love how they're kind of expanding, um like, Jackson and, like, the whole settlement area.
00:03:14
Speaker
Like, we even get, like, the therapy scene. Like, thought that was awesome. thought it was such a cool thing because that's not in the game. Yeah. And Catherine O'Hare. really liked... Yeah, I liked your... um did The casting choice of Abby, I think.
00:03:27
Speaker
Opening it up with what they opened up with was interesting. Very different of a choice. But I actually think for the TV show, coming from a TV show angle, I think it will make more sense.
00:03:38
Speaker
um And I think it might... hit harder. And it I think maybe Neil Druckmann, of course, has learned from the response of the video game opening up that way compared to the way they opened up in the game.
00:03:54
Speaker
But I actually really enjoyed Dina as a character. I thought she was funny. I think the actress did a really good job portraying her. It's Isabel something. I can't remember her name. Mercad or something like that. Yeah, something like that. I can't remember her
Character Dynamics and Relationships
00:04:07
Speaker
last name.
00:04:07
Speaker
I think they've done ah this whole section in Wyoming and Jackson. I think that they've totally expanded upon what they start, what they showed us in the first, in the the episode that focused on that in the first season.
00:04:19
Speaker
I think this episode just reinforced me how much I think they nailed Tommy's character in this game, ah and in the show. I think he does a great job portraying him. I loved the sniping scene at the beginning. It's like, oh, infinite heads.
00:04:32
Speaker
It's almost like they're treating the infection like it's not even like a big deal. we're just going to go for a sport. We're to shoot them out in the open field. Um, Yeah, i I agree, but I disagree. the state like I agree because obviously it if it becomes a normal part of your life, it does become the monotony of like, oh we're on another...
00:04:51
Speaker
you know what's it called? ah Where we're on another lookout where we're going around looking and yeah, recon. Like I get that it'd become the monotony of it. It's like, Oh, there's another one. Let's take it out. But will obviously we can, we'll get through the show. But when, when Dina and Ellie were in the shop, they were treating it like it was literally nothing when clickers are like the deadliest things in the game, other than, you know, probably bloaters or whatever. But like,
00:05:16
Speaker
they treated it like it was nothing. And I was kind of rolling my eyes like, it's that like awkward Marvel kind of writing of like, they're making light of a very like horrific situation. And it it kind of felt off to me in that, but and I do understand, especially like sniping when they're at a distance and they're not a danger ah that it's becomes a bit of more of the
Ellie's Vulnerability and New Infected
00:05:35
Speaker
monotony of it. And you're like, yeah, let's just play. Like it's kind of a play thing. of'm like, let's just shoot these things. But don't know. I can't take it. Yeah.
00:05:42
Speaker
Yeah. um Another initial thought I had is i think that the fear you saw in Ellie when she is actually, you know, falls through that hole and then sees the new type of um infected where it's it doesn't, it kind of lowers your, lowers you to, you could see the fear in Ellie. And I think that was the first time where she didn't come off as like a,
00:06:06
Speaker
Oh my God, I'm better than everyone. I'm so much stronger than everyone. You can actually see the fear in her. And they did make that like one change that we'll, we'll get into. but yeah, overall I enjoyed it and I think we should, ah you know, hop into the episode now and just kind of go yeah beat by beat, tackle the main points here.
00:06:25
Speaker
um So as you mentioned, we start off right away and it starts off with um the scene from the pretty much the last scene of season one where basically Ellie asks Joel, like, is that really? Are you telling me the truth, basically? And Joel straight up says, yeah, of course.
00:06:39
Speaker
Now, we all know lying. oh Yeah, yeah. But then it flashes to Abby and the remaining Fireflies that kind
Abby, Revenge, and New Characters
00:06:51
Speaker
of survived. And we see all those gravestones. I think that really um was a great addition, seeing those gravestones. It kind of hits home. Like, oh my gosh, this is what Joel did. He massacred all these people. And yeah it's not just like he massacred some random, like, um you know, random strangers. Like, yes, they're random strangers to him, but they are family to other people. They have people who care about them.
00:07:10
Speaker
It reminded me very... Yeah, I was going to say they're not like thieves out there who are just robbing and killing people. like He went through as a settlement and slaughtered them. Yeah, and people who were actually trying to do something for like the greater good.
00:07:23
Speaker
And those people actually believed it. um you you You get the initial look at the cast of all the characters that you'll come to know and love or hate in the upcoming episodes.
00:07:34
Speaker
um We didn't get much, but I definitely agree. You could see the anger in Abby and the anger in her voice every time she spoke. They even made a reference like, oh, we need to kill Joel. Like, we're going to kill him.
00:07:46
Speaker
We have to. where Everyone was like, whoa, like they're trying to convince her. Like, I don't know if we should do this. I don't know if this is the best decision we should do. But they were like, no, she's like, this is what we're doing. And you can see that vengeance has taken over her.
00:07:57
Speaker
That's the need for revenge. Yeah, and us who don't know, like, obviously, we know as we've played the game. But for those who are watching the show for the first time, you don't know why she's so much angrier than everyone. So it's that's what i that's the that's one of the changes I did like about this. Because when we meet Abby, I guess we're going to have to compare it to the game to say this. When we meet them in the game, we don't know who they are. We don't know why they're doing what they are. And it's like kind of...
00:08:23
Speaker
So i never I never feel for them in the game. like i know a lot of people are like, I'm actually, I'm Team Abby, screw Ellie. like i've i never felt that way. I never liked Abby. So introducing them like this of like, no, they're part of another settlement and they've been harmed by what Joel did.
00:08:41
Speaker
Like it makes them sympathetic out the gate. and so i really liked that part of it and uh really quick uh the girl who's going to be an intergalactic and was an the in the uncharted movie she's one of the people in the in the crew i noticed that she's also in she's also in the show you it's interesting oh is she i only watched the first season of you yeah she's in season three and four um okay yeah but um Yeah, one more thing that I think really hits home is right at the end of that Abby scene when she puts the necklace over the gravestone.
00:09:15
Speaker
They don't tell you who the gravestone is. Obviously, I think me and you, Hodge, we know. Yeah. um But it again, it really hits home. And then you kind of see the control she has over that group, too. Like, we're going to do this. And they're like, okay.
00:09:26
Speaker
They finally are like, yeah, but we we will. I think it's funny that she mentions Joel's name. they're well, do we really know it's Joel? We could say his name's Joe. Like, we don't really know. Joe or Joel, we don't know. Yeah. And they're like denying.
00:09:38
Speaker
They don't want to believe that someone was immune. Like they they don't want to believe it. Cause like, we don't even know that's true. we That's not true. Yeah. But I think it's beyond that point for Abby, as we noted, it's more of like, we need to take revenge for this.
00:09:52
Speaker
And they do mention Seattle. Um,
00:09:56
Speaker
Yeah, because did they in the game, did they mention like why they were in Seattle? or like Because they just kind of were. No, they don't mention why they're in Seattle. they kind of It just kind of opens up like when you get to that part of the game. It kind of opens up and you're in Seattle.
00:10:11
Speaker
You get like... um You don't get like ah you you kind of, they kind of allude to the fact that like they kind of like wandered there and they had they had some idea that there was a settlement there that they were just taken in. But in this, they kind of provide a little bit more backstory. Like, oh, we have connections there. they like We can go there.
00:10:27
Speaker
They might have resources for us. Okay. I got you. ah Yeah, but then then it flashes five years forward and we're getting to an immediate scene of Ellie, you know, wrestling and fighting this guy. At first, I'm like, what is going on right here?
00:10:42
Speaker
i thought she was like legitimately like fighting like someone who was trying to like steal stuff or like scavenge or something. Yeah, this is the ah this is right out the gate where I'm just like, I don't believe Bella Ramsey is Ellie because she beats up this guy who's like six foot three muscular.
00:10:59
Speaker
I'm like, ah and then at the end, she's like, don't pull punches. and And but the guy's like, if he had gone harder, you would have been knocked unconscious. And she was like, I don't care. don't Yeah, Jesse says that. Yeah, yeah um but it's like, yeah, but you would have lost immediately if he didn't pull his punches. Like, I understand you're like, i just don't see her as this tough person. And I know what's going to happen in this season of why she needs to be the tough person. But I'm like, I just don't believe it.
00:11:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's like, yeah, I definitely agree. I thought it was a little weird. i am not as harsh on her as you are, but I do not like her as Ellie. I don't think she does a great job. I think...
00:11:37
Speaker
Maybe moving on as the season goes on, maybe we'll see that little bit of a character growth in her and maybe we'll see her coming to her own. But yeah, it's really tough for me to see her portraying Ellie, especially because it's five years later and she, she looks like she's aged about a year, not five years.
00:11:54
Speaker
Which is basically what it is. Yeah. whereas is Whereas every other character, it looks like they've aged five years. Like Joel looks, looks like he's aged about five to 10 years. You get the gray, um,
00:12:06
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. it's It's interesting. And then, you know, we get that. And then um what do you want? What do you what do you want to jump to next? um Well, next up, it just kind of pans out to show that they're in Jackson. Because obviously, but the scene was set up to be like, oh, she's out in trouble or something. But then obviously, it's just training exercise, yada, yada.
00:12:28
Speaker
So she goes out into the town. And then there's a guy who's working on the plumbing. And they crack open the pipe. And you see a bunch of roots, which immediately I knew. that Those aren't just roots. But I've seen this later in the episode.
00:12:40
Speaker
but So it cuts to that just kind of as the little foreshadowing thing of like, ooh, what's going on? And so i don't know you have anything to say. Otherwise, we move on to Joel
Joel's Therapy and Personal Struggles
00:12:50
Speaker
being. No, I think we should. um I want to talk about that near the end of the episode.
00:12:53
Speaker
Definitely. Okay. because Yeah. So then we get to Joel working on the ah the breakers in his house and Dina. We are introduced to Dina. Yeah. And this is what I want to say. This is really interesting because they kind of established that there's relationship between Joel and Dina. that They're much closer now than they are actually in the game.
00:13:11
Speaker
Like they mentioned like, oh, um like they even mentioned like watch it, like Dina mentions watching the movie later with Joel. Like I want to do that. Um, they've actually, don't know, this is not a spoiler, but they've, uh, they released like a still image of season of ah episode two. And there's actually, it shows them out on patrol together, which is something very different.
00:13:30
Speaker
Um, and I think it just kind of alludes the fact that they're closer. um she's asking questions more to Joel. And then we get the little tidbit there that, Oh, look at this. Joel's in therapy. That's revealed. yeah Um, Dean is like, you're just pretty smart. And she's like, you're talking like you're in therapy.
00:13:45
Speaker
Oh, you're really in therapy. Aren't you? Yeah, I won't lie. This introduction to Dina, I was fine with. It's like I said, when they're later in the shop and we'll get to, that's kind of when I was kind of losing it. But right here, I was like, oh, like I do like this actress. like she I think she was in Alien Romulus and she's been in other stuff. But I like her, but I liked this scene because it was also the thing of like...
00:14:08
Speaker
Because obviously right now we don't know she's bisexual yet. She's just the girl who works for Joel. But she's asking about Ellie because they're friends. And so it's kind of a good moment of Joel parting his construction or contractor knowledge onto her. Also while they're bonding over kind of what's going on with Ellie. She seems pissed off kind of thing.
00:14:31
Speaker
And I really enjoyed this scene for sure. Yeah, and it's interesting. We get whole Joel thing.
00:14:38
Speaker
He can't admit. He knows why Ellie's mad at him. He knows, but he can't admit it. He won't admit Well, because in the in the show, people just... I like how they're setting up of she's just a moody teenager. like I do like that aspect of it, but obviously when we get through the show, we're going to find out why she's mad at him because...
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah, I don't even want to spoil it, but yeah, we're going to find out why she is. We do know. So that's obviously going to be I'm actually looking forward to those flashback episodes because I was actually surprised when they did the five years later. They kind of skipped over everything that happened in those five years, which so I guess they are going to save them all for flashbacks.
00:15:20
Speaker
So, yeah. yeah which is interesting because in those five years you get to see like the bond that ellie makes with joel through those five years like this bond's even stronger and then it kind of just collapses at that one point you also see the bond between ellie and to tommy in those five year gap in which we get a little bit again with that sniping scene we get that bonding section um but yeah so we find out joel's in therapy um do jump to i know the next scene is the sniping scene right yeah yeah the next scene is a side because they kind of just talk about how you know they're shooting them like we already talked about how like it's almost like a game to them but then after that we get the whole talk about how ellie's gonna be put on gate patrol again and we get that we get that again it's from joel joel making her do the gate patrol and we see that joel's still trying to control her and still trying to you know save her he still feels like he's the savior and being overprotective yeah exactly
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, but what the thing I liked about this scene also was one of my biggest criticisms of the video game was that from start to credits rolling, she was just this mopey person who just was... She was a completely different character than she was in the first game. Like, in the first game, she obviously had her very deep, dark moments where she had her moments of clarity and seriousness, but...
00:16:40
Speaker
ah she But when there was a lighthearted moment, she would crack jokes. But in this part two, she never said anything like funny. She never cracked a smile or anything. It was Dina who was like the comedic sidekick.
00:16:52
Speaker
And so I really liked that during the sniping scene, she's doing like the I'm a mute, like being the sarcastic, like little jerk that she was in the first one. yeah So I really liked that.
00:17:03
Speaker
Hopefully, like ah obviously i there are moments when they need to be serious, but I do hope that she does have her moments of being that sarcastic girl yeah she was being more true to her character that she was established in the first yeah yeah i like that staia i'm immune and she's like you're in the chauvin's you're just like joel yeah just like yeah like then you know i'm not gonna listen or whatever yeah yeah and he's like yeah i know um which is funny so she she does ends up convincing him to put her on the
Jackson's Politics and Society
00:17:32
Speaker
uh recon patrol which is, um, that i like actually really liked that initial recon patrol scene, but, um, yeah, then we get to Joel and therapy.
00:17:42
Speaker
Um, yeah, well quickly before therapy, uh, he's up in the office talking to, um, Oh, what's her face? Oh, I almost said Marlene. almost said Marlene. Yeah. Tommy's wife. Yeah.
00:17:53
Speaker
yeah um Yeah. Yeah. I like that scene. I liked it because liked it when the kid comes and he's like, you shoot monsters and like kind of doing that thing of like, ah yeah, like a kid having to grow up in this, like they have to kind of be lighthearted about like these things are going to tear you apart, but like you have to kind of keep them calm about it. Like it's just they're monsters that we take care of.
00:18:14
Speaker
Yeah. And it's very different than the other kid we saw with, um, Sam and... Oh my gosh. oh getting his name I can't remember. Sam You know who I'm talking about. Sam and... Why can't I remember?
00:18:28
Speaker
The ones they met in Kansas City last... Yeah, it's very different than Sam and... I can't think. Sam's the younger one. Yeah, he was born in... Yeah, Sam's the younger one. It's very different than Sam who's like very much...
00:18:42
Speaker
um like he's like arab be like everything terrified of everything um well because like before he dies he's like you think we're any of us is still in there when like we turn and stuff like he's very scared of it and love and he's very aware of what's going on yeah yeah it's sam and henry henry's his older brother henry that's right yeah and then i liked in this scene also um joel kind of doing the thing of like we're bringing in too many people like the making that kind of a plot point of like, we're bringing in too many people. We're doing way too much. And then obviously Tommy's wife has kind of the like, well, you were a refugee at one point too, kind of thing. So I, I really enjoyed that.
00:19:23
Speaker
There is, they're doing kind of like the politics of the town kind of there. They're making Jackson a bigger character than it was in the games. Cause yeah. In the game, you start Jackson and leave. So,
00:19:34
Speaker
Yeah, and we even get that later with the whole council scene, which we'll get into later. um yeah But I do think she them harping on the fact that they're bringing in too many people and that we need to bring in the right people, um i think that might be alluding to something that might be a little different than what they do in the game.
00:19:53
Speaker
Especially with the end scene where we see... you know, we'll get to the end scene where we see Abby and her crew ride up and we, they see Jackson. I could see something crazy happening where maybe.
00:20:05
Speaker
i I could see what you're saying. where they They come in and they kind of infiltrate the town and kind of, they kind of Trojan horse it a little bit. Yup. I could definitely see that, which would be a big difference, but I think that for the, they, they led and they stayed on that for so long that I, that they couldn't have just done that just to do.
00:20:23
Speaker
It has to be yeah some reason. Yeah, i feel i could I could definitely see that because, I mean, obviously in the first season, they changed a lot of big points in the game. Obviously the biggest one being what's-his-face and his town. They kill him before Joel gets to him in the in the show. but sound yeah But yeah, so yeah, Joel goes to therapy in the next scene, which cat with Catherine O'Hara, who I love.
00:20:50
Speaker
moira shit it's what i think yeah i thought it this was really interesting because they're um they're you know joel finally admits he's like no i just i saved her that's what's wrong i saved her but he's like he can't admit what he means by that and did you find it interesting when she's like it's so hard i can't forgive you you killed my husband you shot him and i know why you did it i think she you think she's alluding to the fact that he was like turning he got bit I think so, because I think in the in the game, he just dies of a stroke or something, right? Like, he just he just passes away on its own. Because I remember when you're Dina and ah Ellie going on patrol, you go to his place and you find his weed stash or whatever.
00:21:30
Speaker
ah So i I think that, I feel like that's what it is. I think they are alluding to, like, she's like, I know why you had to shoot him, but, like, I still hate you for it. Yeah. I thought that was because, I mean, obviously Eugene's a character you never, i mean, you don't see him in this either, but you don't see him
Joel's Guilt Over Saving Ellie
00:21:45
Speaker
in the game. And so he's just kind of like, ah he's basically like a piece of paper that you find when you find collectibles.
00:21:50
Speaker
That's basically his defense is in the, in the game. So I really liked that. They kind of flesh that out of like where she, even she's just admitting like, I hate you for what you did. Like you took my husband from me and that was so, that was so good. I'd never seen a Catherine O'Hara in a serious role like this. So I thought that was awesome.
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's really reminiscent of um just going back to the first game that you know Joel knows what he needs to do and he's done things that aren't the best. And he's done things that he's not afraid to do what's right. Again, going back to well write to him, like killing people for what he thinks is necessary.
00:22:28
Speaker
And yeah, it is it is um you could definitely sympathize. There with both. Yeah. And honestly, i thought was wrong, obviously, but I thought what was going to happen was because I like that she sees through him and she's like, i know you're lying to me. Why? Like, why are you lying to me? Kind of thing.
00:22:45
Speaker
And so I really thought that he was gonna break down and do whatever. Because I was surprised they skipped over the opening of the game, which ah where he's telling Tommy what happened.
00:22:56
Speaker
So I thought that was going to be this scene that he's going to tell it to a therapist instead of Tommy. So I do wonder if we are going to get that scene with Tommy eventually. But ah but I do love yeah that he's still lying to himself. Like, like, obviously, I think he's right. I've always said he was right. But like, I think in his head, he's still battling. Like, I know I'm right, but I can't admit this to everyone because.
00:23:19
Speaker
I don't think everyone else will see it my way kind of thing. Yeah. Cause it's very, it's definitely one of those things. that depends on how you feel morally and how you feel. Yeah, no, definitely. Um, yeah. And then, so moving on, we get to, um, this is the scene. Is this the scene where Ellie and the guitar next?
00:23:37
Speaker
Ellie, uh, she's in there cleaning her gun or whatever. And, uh, Dina comes to grab her to go on the, Oh yeah. Dina comes in to grab her. Um, She puts on her coat and and Ellie's like, oh, I'm feeling all tingly right now.
00:23:51
Speaker
Kind of thing. Yeah. You definitely can see that somewhat, you know, Ellie has that crush or that relationship. They also talk about how Dean is, they talk about the New Year's Eve party and Dean is like, oh, me and Jesse broke up.
00:24:04
Speaker
um Oh, wow that's that's why they're out on patrol. But yeah, she does tell her yeah that that her and Jesse split up and she's and she says like for now or whatever. But yeah, yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker
And then they go out and meet Jesse at the gate, and he's trying to tell them what to do. And this is this ist this is kind of where and I started being like, oh, God, I don't like Dina. was when she's being all sarcastic to him while he's trying to tell her, like, all right, here's what we got to do. And Ellie and Dina are basically being the disruptive kids in class who just won't take it seriously.
00:24:34
Speaker
Yep. I know. I know all too well. Yeah. Yeah, and it's funny because they do harp on, they mention, like, you need to report to your squad leader. And that's, like, the other, um like, lesbian in the and the group. yeah And it's, like, Ellie's, like, ex-girlfriend, apparently. Yeah, the one who did the tattoo.
00:24:53
Speaker
Which, that's another character who in the game is not ever shown. It's just said, like, your ex-girlfriend did your tattoo kind of thing. That's really all it is. Yeah. it is It was interesting that we saw her, but it's funny because they never really had that dynamic of being like exes. She just kind of seemed like the person who was in charge and angry that they weren't paying attention, that less than yeah being an angry ex.
00:25:15
Speaker
kind of thing and they immediately like don't listen to whatever she does like they're they're way further back than them and then the second they see like any form of infection it's like they run up and they're like oh we're going out we gotta go we gotta go and they just go off without them nope this is this is part of recon when they're not supposed to they're supposed to be going back yeah i bought you like the the dead bear with all the um blood around it clickers around it yeah yep yeah but that's kind of the thing that was also a little annoying to me was like I feel like plot wise, you should have them kind of listen for a little bit to show like, no, we do want to be out here like doing what we're doing. But then like maybe once I find the bear, they go do it. But yeah, it's like immediate that they're like, ah, we're not paying. We're not going listen. It's like, well, now you're definitely going to lose your like your like ability to go on recon if you're just yeah instantly just be like, nah, we're not going to listen to you.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like that's a horrible thing. Yeah. Horrible shit. Yeah. But yeah, so they go up ahead and we get into... This is a scene from... This is very similar to that scene from the game where you're basically... It's kind of like teaching you like the new control and teaching about the new like version of the infected. What do they call it? I forget what it's called.
00:26:27
Speaker
um Tutorial? No, no, no. I'm talking about the the new type of infected. Oh, the stalker? Yeah, the stalker. Because they like lore they try to lure Ellie and we actually get that...
00:26:39
Speaker
um crazy fear we see in ellie's eyes when it comes at her yeah i so yeah but we get to the clicker scene which i wasn't huge on because again they were just like there's two clickers near them and they're they're acting like it's nothing when those things are insanely dangerous but uh yeah we get down to that shop and i this is like the scene where i was like i was like visibly excited i was watching my girlfriend and she's like what i'm like oh my god it's the stalkers they're doing it And like, so yeah that was, that was so cool. Like, and her walking through, like trying to see it and you just see it in the background slinking from aisle to aisle. You're like, oh man, this is, this is awesome.
00:27:19
Speaker
I'm so happy they brought this. I did not think actually that they'd bring the stalkers in. I thought maybe, Because they're smart. So I thought like. um Maybe they'll just skip that one. so Which makes me think that they are going to do one. That's later on in the game.
00:27:31
Speaker
but but Yeah I know definitely. um yeah But yeah like I said. You see that fear in Ellie. when the When she says like come run at me. And then think she just walks away. She has no idea what she's in for. And we get that more of that childlike Ellie. We got and when she first appeared. In season one. When they first encounter some infected.
00:27:50
Speaker
And then the big change here. She gets bit. Yeah, again. Yeah. Yeah, i was ah i was a little surprised well cause I was a little surprised by that because they literally start the episode with her fighting off a man twice her size. And so i really thought that some of that would like come into play here.
00:28:10
Speaker
But instead she... i don't know if... Maybe it is like a character growth thing where in the moment she froze and failed at it. I don't know if that's going to be something that plays out later or anything, but...
00:28:20
Speaker
Yeah, she just basically screws up immediately, and she's ah hard she struggles to get her gun out and gets it far enough to where the thing bites her right in the abdomen. So um it was i loved I loved the moment just because, again, I love that they're bringing the stalkers into the game. but yeah i want i So I wonder if it is like, a actually, Ellie, you aren't good enough to be doing this, or if it is just kind of a one-off thing that they're going to move on from.
00:28:48
Speaker
No, definitely. And it's funny because she has to hide the fact that she was bit because the only people who know she's immune are Joel and Tommy. yeah is Yeah. Which is great. Was this Tommy's wife now? No, I don't think she knows. No, I don't think she knows. think it's just Tommy and Joel.
00:29:04
Speaker
Okay.
00:29:07
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah, then they go to the council after they Jack. I love this council scene. I really liked it because I think again it, again, talks about expanding Jackson. We get like the it It is so reminiscent of so many like pieces of fiction that ah revolve around society. um like's just like The world has fallen, society has fallen, and then like they make their own little like village, own society, and there's always like some type of council, and there's people in charge. It's never like one person.
00:29:35
Speaker
the a lot of fiction like this, when they have um societies where one person's in charge, it always fails. The ones that always succeed the um communal ones in this. And I think it's interesting um all the different people on there and how they're talking and how Tommy's wife immediately knows that Dean is lying.
00:29:55
Speaker
And she knows that at least tell him the truth, that she can read them. She's a really good read of character. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed I mean, I guess it was just foreshadowing of that Dina likes Ellie of lying for her. But ah ah yeah, I was kind of laughing because it did.
00:30:18
Speaker
It reminded me of like those stories where it's like, people folk or people get, especially in like a post-apocalypse, they get too comfortable and they act like a city council thing is like this important thing. It's like, no, there's way more important things than this crap you guys are talking about.
00:30:34
Speaker
So I was thinking game about that with it. But no, yeah, it's definitely a really good scene. And again, it was a ah ah a moment to show that Ellie is still sarcastic. She's not the Mopey part two Ellie yet. oh Hopefully she keeps a little bit of levity, but I guess we'll see.
00:30:52
Speaker
Yeah, so then next up is next up's the guitar scene guitar scene. When she's in her house, right? yeah Yeah. She's in she's like journaling about barbecue or whatever. no, the barbecue.
00:31:05
Speaker
but bear Again, that goes yeah that goes back to the puns. And then she writes something else. It's like, don't... Don't fuck it up or something like that. Yeah, don't screw it And I think she's obviously referring to Dina, I think.
00:31:16
Speaker
yeah yeah she's because shes Yeah, she doesn't want to screw it up with Dina. Yeah. I don't know i don't know if that's like a don't screw up another relationship or don't tell her you have a crush on her to ruin friendship. Don't screw up a friendship, maybe. Yeah.
00:31:30
Speaker
And then we get the first interaction between Joel and Ellie of the episode. And it goes just as what we probably expected, where Ellie's still pretty pissed off at Joel. um Obviously, as an audience, um you don't know if you've not played the game.
00:31:44
Speaker
But Joel's doing everything in his power to try to, like... get on at least good side hey i'm gonna repair it tomorrow i'll bring it back to you yeah try to mend it when in reality it's it's really hard to mend something that like that yeah you can't just buy back someone yeah i it's kind of the uh you have the awkward pause and he notices the guitar so it's like oh that's something that i can say to keep this conversation going kind of thing and yeah he he didn't know what to say so he had to
00:32:17
Speaker
Yeah, well, because it's like he it's like you said earlier when he was talking to Dina, he's like, I never had a teenager this age. So I don't I'm learning kind of as we go also. So because obviously Sarah passed away when she was 15, 14 or 15 around there, 14 or 15. Yeah. So so now that he is an 18 or 19 year old, whatever she is, think 19.
00:32:38
Speaker
um So he he has no idea how to tread these waters. And so he's just being the awkward, like, I don't know what to do but I know how to fix this guitar. So but I'll do that for you, I guess.
New Year's Eve Confrontation and Identity Struggles
00:32:53
Speaker
But then they go to the to the dance. Yep. The New Year's Eve party. And Dina's, you know, drunk and high. She's dancing around and she's and you get that little interaction between Jesse and Ellie. And I think you can definitely tell that Jesse still is in love with Dina.
00:33:10
Speaker
It's so obvious. And yeah, I wonder. go on Oh, I was gonna say, I wonder if they're going to change that because in the game, he's just immediately over it. He's like, I don't give a shit. But I wonder if in this he is going to have a little bit of jealousy about it.
00:33:25
Speaker
yeah it'll be interesting i i think there was like subtle remarks of like yeah he's over it but then there's also like subtle remarks in the game of him kind of still being into dina but it wasn't nearly as upfront as it was here in this first episode and you can see the disappointment on his face like yeah dancing around with everyone else um and then we get the infamous where uh dina goes up to ellie grabs her They start dancing together and they, this scene is pretty one-to-one to the game.
00:33:51
Speaker
This part where she's like rubbing her sweat on her and stuff. Yeah. and Every guy in here is, you know, staring at me or mom is jealous of you. And she's like, jealous of what? So let's make them, let's give him something to be jealous of or something.
00:34:05
Speaker
And they kiss, you get that scene. And then you get that, the, the old redneck. Yeah. The stereotypical, like, you're doing this in a church, yeah. Calls them the dykes and whatnot. and Yeah. I can't remember. In the game, him too? He calls him something. He doesn't call him that.
00:34:23
Speaker
Yeah, Joel pushed him in the game. But this was, like, extremely aggressive. It was not like this in the game. Like, he came out and he, like, tackled him. Yeah, okay. i I couldn't remember how it went in the game. exactly i I quit the game pretty quick. But, um...
00:34:38
Speaker
Yeah, i did I did like, though, that then Ellie does the thing of, like, you don't need to stand up for me kind of thing. Like, I can take care of myself, leave me alone kind of thing. She was like, what the heck's wrong with you?
00:34:51
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, even though, obviously, Joel is in the right by defending her for that in that moment, but obviously she's so mad at him that she can't she can't let him do it.
00:35:03
Speaker
Yeah. it's ah It's the whole thing, like, when you're mad at someone and they they actually do something to, like, help you, and you're like, can't give them credit yeah yeah exactly um and then yeah and you can see sorry was just say then we see katherine o'hera off to the edge watching it like i'm wondering what she's thinking in that moment because she's kind of looking yeah and she's probably she's definitely thinking because she knows like she said joel saved ellie but she's like there's got to be something more a lot more to this um Yeah, and then we get the scene with Joel or Ellie and Joel where Ellie is walking back to the house.
00:35:41
Speaker
Joel's sitting there playing his guitar. Which is interesting because in the game, she actually goes and talks to him. And this is like the final scene of the game. I was going to say, i thought i thought she did in the game.
00:35:55
Speaker
Yep, this time she walks away. it was that the The final scene, this was a flashback in the actual game, though. It was the final scene of the game, like right near the end. um Okay. Where she talks to him. But this time she walks away, and as she's walking away, we see a little ah zoom in on the, we get like the fire.
Cordyceps Threat and Future Foreshadowing
00:36:16
Speaker
Someone throws down a sparkler. A sparkler, and then it zooms in, and you see, bum, bum, little cordyceps coming through.
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah. So I'm wondering, yeah, what's that gonna, I wonder if it's gonna lead to someone inside getting infected, or is it gonna be like how in the first season, if you step on the cordyceps, it sends like, through the roots, it sends a signal to let, because in the trailer, it did show like, them at the wall shooting things, so I wonder if it is just gonna have all of them charging at Jax, and they're gonna have to defend it.
00:36:51
Speaker
I have a feeling that this will be used to bring Abby in to Jackson, where these the whole group of the infected are running at the wall, and they're trying to defend it. They can't. And then Abby and her crew come, and they help out and destroy them from the other side on the outside of Jackson.
00:37:11
Speaker
They help take them down, and then they're like oh, we're so grateful for you. Oh, why don't you guys come in, blah, blah. And they kind of like hit it off. i could see Joel being like, we shouldn't be doing this. There's something wrong here. And then maybe Abby wins his favor.
00:37:24
Speaker
and then Yeah, it could be because I know in the trailer for this season, they do show the scene where Abby is stuck under the fence at the area where she meets Joel and Tommy.
00:37:35
Speaker
So I'm wondering if... If you're right, like if they're going to help with it and then they get let in and then who knows, maybe they go out on a recon with them and then that happens. Exactly. That's I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, because they have changed.
00:37:48
Speaker
They have changed because like the Dina and ah Ellie stuff all happen while they're on a recon, whereas in the game it's because Tommy and Joel are still out and so they go to look for them. And so I wonder...
00:37:59
Speaker
yeah so Since they're changing kind of the timeline in this, I wonder if that's what they'll do. where can totally see that. and i I think that would help establish the audience to be more again more sympathetic for Abby. You might get to know her a little bit more. you might even i could even see some flashbacks with Abby back to her childhood.
00:38:17
Speaker
Yeah, i mean they'll probably definitely do that zebra scene from the game. Oh yeah, definitely. they I'd be shocked if they didn't. Yeah. So then, yeah, after that, then it's just the you see the White Walkers show up and say, hey, there's Winterfell. And then this then credits roll.
00:38:36
Speaker
But yeah Abby and crew, they pull up on
Abby's Group Approaches Jackson
00:38:39
Speaker
a mountain. They see the lights of Jackson off in the distance. And so, you know, they are closing in and they want Joel. And then we get the credits.
00:38:49
Speaker
I did not. Did you, did you watch the, uh, the after credits, like little mini documentary thing? I didn't watch it. I did not. Did you? No, I need to, I might go watch that in a bit, but ah yeah, I like, I like watching the little post credits like, Ooh, here's what happened in this episode. So off to see. So if anyone who's listening knows what's going on, let us know. And and obviously everyone let us know how you felt about this episode. Do you, you think it was better than the game? Think worse than the game? Did you even like the game? What it, where, what are your thoughts with this?
00:39:23
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah. Overall, like I said, I thought it was a good episode. Yeah, i really I really did think it was a good setup. And the way... All the stuff with Ellie and Joel and stuff in the first game, i actually are in the second game, i actually liked all of it. like Other than Dina. I don't like Dina, but ah hopefully her character's little better throughout the show.
00:39:46
Speaker
But, um... i Yeah, I liked... That's the thing. i liked the game for basically the first 10 hours. And then it just fell apart for me. But, um...
00:39:58
Speaker
I think it's I think if they do a good job of making us actually like Abby more than because in the game, you kind of understand why she is who she is. Whereas I hope instead of telling us like, here's why you should be happy. I hope they show us or why you should be on her side.
00:40:15
Speaker
hope they show us why we should be on her side, not just tell her like Joel's bad. So you have to be on her side. So I really hope they do a better job with that in this. Which, again, I think i think if you know we go on what I think might happen, I think we could definitely see that if they you know somehow come in and infiltrate and we might see like a more sympathetic side to her.
00:40:33
Speaker
Yeah, because i they they it is a really good concept of like... which person do you support? Cause they're both technically kind of in the right. They're both technically wrong. Like it's really just kind of like, uh, who's more or who's less wrong.
00:40:49
Speaker
Who are you going to support? Who's less wrong? Lesser of two evils. Yeah, exactly. So I'm, I'm very curious to see how, how this all plays out with, um, with Abby. Cause that's, that's going to be the biggest challenge of making me give a shit about Abby. Yeah.
00:41:07
Speaker
but yeah ah But yeah, like you said, I'm very happy with this the changes they made. I thought most of them were for the better. Like I said, I kind of wish they did the ah Tommy. and like Because I thought that was such a great opening to the game where Joel's just sitting there cleaning the guitar and talking to Tommy about what happened. and So I kind of hope they do still have that moment ah in this show. But obviously time will tell. They have changed the pacing. So...
00:41:33
Speaker
Hopefully, mean, obviously we'll get more of those in between the five years to see what happened with Joel and um not to spoil anything, but the museum scene, it's fantastic. I cannot wait for that episode. um But yeah, i'm I'm very much looking forward to the rest of this season. I hope it's awesome.
Expectations for the Season
00:41:49
Speaker
I think we're getting a lot of those flashbacks in like the openings. like where it opens up the episode. I think we'll get a lot. of Oh yeah. Do a cold open of kind of drooling at, uh, of the you time between. Yeah. That'd actually be pretty cool. they They did do a lot of cold opens in season one, which I really enjoyed. Yeah. I wish they had done more of those like old, old, like day one, one like the one where the, like they asked the lady, like, what do you need to do? And she's like, you Oh, that's episode two.
00:42:13
Speaker
yeah it's absolutely Yeah. And then in the first one where they're on the talk show from like the sixties or seventies, um, Yeah, bomb. yeah Yeah. it's the And the yeah, the the cold open in the first one with the guy from The Mummy talking about like, ah well, what happens if the planet gets warmer? And he just goes, we lose. We lose. i like yeah I'm like, oh man, those openings were so good. I want more of that. But and um' obviously, we're not going to get that in the second season. But yeah, I really liked this. And I'm very much looking forward to the rest of the season. It it definitely...
00:42:43
Speaker
i It's like I was saying to people, I'm like, I hope it makes me enjoy the game a little more. though Because obviously, the music and the settings and the set pieces and everything, they were awesome in the second game. It's just the pacing and ah bit of the plot is the only reason why I don't... like It's funny, when the game when I played the game, when I finished, I was like, eh, was okay. i was like a 6 out of 10. And just...
00:43:06
Speaker
The overpraise for it's just made me salty with overtime. So I just want this show to win me back over because The Last of Us, the first game and season, was so, so good that I just hope this show does not crumble like how my opinion of this game series crumbled.
00:43:26
Speaker
Well, who knows? maybe Maybe you'll love game three as well. So it'll be like one in three you'll love. And then it's the middle one. Yeah, you don't really like the middle of the sandwich you like the bread. Yeah, exactly. I'm just a macabre guy, as you can tell. But yeah, i i don't know if I don't have really anything else to say about this. i oh That's it. i think i I think moving forward, you can expect these episodes to be pretty much about 43, 44 minutes, 45 minutes, because you know we're not go gonna we're not going to break down every single little Easter egg. We're not going to go frame by frame here. We're just going to really talk about the plot.
00:44:00
Speaker
Though, one Easter egg I do want to point out was I'm pretty sure the guitarist for the band at the barn dance was Gustavo Santinelli. I don't know how to say his name. Oh, the guy? Was it really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was him. i Actually, I can look it up really quick.
00:44:14
Speaker
But yeah, I'm pretty sure that would that was him because I looked at it. i was like, that guy looks so familiar and Where are we at? No, that's not that. Oh, gosh. The stupid thing ain't shuffling, right?
00:44:27
Speaker
But, ah yeah. it I saw it and I was just like... Because he has like a big, long, white beard in real life. And he was holding like a like a very Mexican-looking classical guitar. So i was like, I'm pretty sure that is...
00:44:40
Speaker
That is him. But that's that is the one thing I did love about the first season is that they gave everyone a role who was in the game. Like they all played someone else except for obviously um what was her face? ah The Firefly lady. She played herself.
00:44:58
Speaker
Oh, Marlene. Marlene. Yeah. So other than Marlene, ah it was the same. And so, it was different. So yeah, I really, really enjoyed this and it was nice to say if that is Gustavo, I'm pretty sure it is, but I could wrong, obviously, but yeah.
00:45:17
Speaker
All right. Well, that was our recap of episode one of The Last of Us season two. We'll be back next week for episode two. Again, leave us your comments. Leave us your thoughts.
00:45:29
Speaker
Tell us what you ah what you kind of want want to see from us, what we want to do with these episodes. We're really open to suggestions. But yeah, we're enjoying the show. Tell us what you thought. And thanks for joining us.
00:45:40
Speaker
Bye. Bye, guys. The infected are out there. We lose. Bomb.