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Dune (1984)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, the Spice must flow as Zach and Chris talk about David Lynch's Dune as we prepare ourselves for Dune: Part Two in theaters. Starring Kyle Maclachlan, in his film debut, as Paul Atreides, the movie attempts to condense Frank Herbert's sci-fi epic into just slightly over two hours instead of the luxury of two, almost three hour movies like Denis Villeneuve has had.
The guys talk about how memorable Sting is despite not really doing anything, the disgusting, bumbling Harkonnens, giant space slugs, the super condensed final act, the constant whispering voiceover, battle pugs, and more. You can watch David Lynch's Dune on Max (which is also where you can see Dune: Part One if you need a refresher before Part Two).
Next week the guys are talking about the Stephen King adaptation Children of the Corn as it celebrates its 40th anniversary.
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Introduction and Dune Discussion Setup
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com. Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast for the week of February 26, 2024. I'm your host Zach. And I'm Nicole, it's Chris.
00:00:27
Speaker
Yeah, and this week, the smice must flow because we're going to talk about the David Lynch version of Dune. You know, we got Dune Part 2. If you're hearing this, it's out right now. We're recording this before it comes out, so we have not seen Dune Part 2 yet, but I am very
David Lynch's Dune: Mixed Feelings and Childhood Memories
00:00:42
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hyped for it. I'm not sure about you, Chris, but. Yeah, you know, as someone who like thought he enjoyed this movie as a kid and to see it like get a
00:00:57
Speaker
true-to-forn adaptation. I'm excited, but I'm more excited about that popcorn bucket than I am about the movie. It's gonna lift more into me. Yeah, David Lynch's dude got a pamphlet describing key terms for Dune, and then Dune Part 2 gets a weird sexual popcorn bucket.
00:01:21
Speaker
Which I would have take both, because I'm not gonna lie, I had to look up things for Dune 90, Dune 84. The quitset had a wreck, and the Mahadeeb, and the weirding way, and... Yeah. I legit, and I also throw on subtitles too, because there were so many times I just could not figure out who was taught, like, what was happening. So, yeah, just give me a heads up about my experience about the movie. But, yes.
Dune's Ambitious Plans: Toys, Comics, and Sequels
00:01:50
Speaker
Most most talk about the David Lynch version. I'm sure we'll probably like compare and contrast a little bit with like the, you know, the part one. Because we have not seen two parties. Obviously, we can't compare how that the end of that movie compares to the last 45 minutes of 1984, which is I think what do part two is basically covering in like three hours.
00:02:15
Speaker
But yeah, I believe this was like, well, David Lynch had done, before he had done, you know, like, Eraserhead, Elephant Man. But this, I think this is like, definitely like his biggest movie to date. Like, this is like a huge, huge studio movie. They were trying to like, basically like,
00:02:36
Speaker
I think it was, uh, universal. Basically thought this is going to be their Star Wars, like Fox head Star Wars. And they're like, this can be our Star Wars for adults. We're putting out, we're putting out your full like, we got toys, we got comics, we got video games, we got like everything. And then it's just like, it came out and they're like, everyone's like, this is weird.
00:02:58
Speaker
And I think there's like plans for like, it was like people signed on for like three movies. Like I think Virginia Madsen says she signed on for like three movies, which never happened, but only the one happened.
Unmade Dune: Jodorowsky's Vision
00:03:09
Speaker
Hope she got paid first for all three. And the film debut of Kyle McLaughlin, who obviously would go on to many, many collaborations, David Lynch, Twin Peaks, No Peaks in Return,
00:03:26
Speaker
you know various other projects so they obviously they had like a very good experience with each other in this movie and then went on to many other things
00:03:36
Speaker
And it's the it's basically it's the first, you know, successful attempts to bring dude to film. There was the Alejandro Jediwaski version and also like there's like a really Scott version that like both those fail. There's a third there's a documentary about the Jediwaski version that's like goes gets into like, you know, the casting and like also like they were going to have
00:04:01
Speaker
like Pink Floyd do the music and like Mick Jagger was going to be like Fade Ratha and like Orson Welles was going to be Baron Harkonnen and all that stuff. I actually wouldn't mind Orson Welles as Baron Harkonnen. Yeah. I was just thinking it was gross, but I could see that. Yeah. So yeah, there's all these attempts to bring you to do into theaters and movie theaters and then
Critique of Special Effects and Personal Shields
00:04:28
Speaker
The 1984s version was the first one, and I think as best a job they could do, given they tried to cram 900 pages of a novel into just slightly over two hours.
00:04:43
Speaker
With 1980s technology. Yeah, you can see some shots in this movie. They just ran out of money to do graphics. Oh, man. The personal shields that are so good, like the Dutty Van Gogh movie, that is probably one of the worst special effects I've ever seen. If you do top five worst special effects, it's that those shields in this movie are so bad.
00:05:10
Speaker
It's just a giant box with a pixel box with arms, a box with smaller boxes on it. It's just like, man, we've come so far. Every default vector graphic they had in that digital suite that they had back in 1984, it's just everything they threw at it.
Plot Complexity and Inner Monologues
00:05:35
Speaker
Yeah, I do. I do appreciate it. Like I'm very appreciative that they got they stopped doing that. Like after like this, like there's like two scenes where it happens and it's just like after there's like there's no one there's no shields anymore. No one cares. Well, no, they do it one more time with Duncan. But yeah, it's it's for them to justify the knife thing because in the future you can't. It took me a while to look up online, too. So.
00:06:04
Speaker
In the future, we move so far advanced with defenses and weaponry where no one really uses that many guns anymore because of shielding. So you have to use knives because they somehow are slow enough to penetrate through shields.
Grotesque Harkonnens: 1984 vs. New Adaptations
00:06:19
Speaker
Well, yeah. All the shields can block fast movement. But then if it's a slow movement, then you can get through. It's like the slow blade clears is one of the phrases they use.
00:06:34
Speaker
And I don't know why no one decided to make slow moving weapon projectiles. It's like a lower, like a lower speed bullet or something. Yeah, I don't know. Like it's something that I think the movie corrects itself in its own way with the special weaponry. But the nice thing is cool. I thought, I mean, it does come full circle for this movie.
00:07:02
Speaker
about knife, like, knife combat. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's it's it's like what yours at 10,901. But we're back and we're back to like, mostly bladed weapons.
Exposition Excess in Lynch's Dune
00:07:16
Speaker
Yep. At least that and like, I guess no clubbing. It's like, that's too fast than a knife.
00:07:28
Speaker
Well, we get all the backstory in the opening monologue from Virginia Madsen, who's pretty much her only role in this movie, because after that, she does nothing. But yeah, it's basically like she comes pop is the first thing we see and she pops up and explains the basic background stuff.
00:07:50
Speaker
There's a lot of, I think one of the big differences between this and my current Dune is they didn't even trust the audience more than Universal trusted audiences in 1984. They threw in this monologue and they gave people pamphlets with glossary terms when they walked into the theater.
00:08:14
Speaker
Here's like no one else words before you like watch Dune. And then it's constantly just like, everyone's just constantly thinking like they're like explaining things and thoughts.
Whispery Inner Monologues: A 'Shitty ASMR Experience'
00:08:25
Speaker
Like you're constantly hearing people's like inner thoughts and it's like, it's trying to explain like everything's happening on screen. Cause like, I think Universal's convinced like no one would understand what's happening. So I just said, it's constant voiceover. You are as if like you're reading like a story, like almost a,
00:08:44
Speaker
It's like, let's call it, like a table read. It's like, everyone's inner monologue is being, you're hearing all their like, like, someone will talk and then you'll be inside someone's head and be like, why did he say that? Like, does he know? It is a lot of that. Yeah. Well, it's also like, all the inner monologues, like, voiceover is very whispery.
00:09:12
Speaker
I think you mentioned that Chris, where it's all just like constantly, it's constantly like whispers of like, people just like thinking what they're like, and then like, that's, it's for the audience of like, Oh, did you, like, did you not get that? Like here, we're explaining it, like the researchers like explicitly say what is happening so that you understand it. Yeah, they handled the talking and then it becomes like a shitty ASMR experience.
00:09:36
Speaker
I think my favorite one is, um, when Duke Leto is, um, like, like, he gets like the poison tooth and it's like the tooth, the tooth, the tooth. And then he's like, five minutes later, he's like, what did Dr. Huey say? Oh yeah, the tooth.
00:09:57
Speaker
It's just like universe is just like get it dummies. There's a poison tooth remember five minutes ago idiots like I Wonder in the I know you saw the new remake.
Modern Audiences and Subtlety in New Dune
00:10:11
Speaker
Do they spend that much time on the tooth? I mean It's obviously that's it's a big scene from the book, but it's way it's much more well done in a new version
00:10:27
Speaker
A lot of like the new Dune is like it's so much more like subtle and like it's way more like just like trusting you to like understand what's happening. I think also it's like because we're in like a post-game of thrones you know world so I think a lot obviously like way more um like kind of like primed for like these like these kind of like you know these like houses fight each other and these like these like grand like plotting machinations and stuff like
00:10:55
Speaker
1984 like people were not ready for like all this like all these all these different houses all these different like like all this like concepts and stuff like So I mean sci-fi nerds like hardcore sci-fi nerds were and they're like the only ones that read like the novel
00:11:13
Speaker
Like a general audience going into this were like, I mean, this is like the same year as like, like we're trying to Jedi. It's like, you got all these like, like gremlins and Ghostbusters, all these other movies and like Dune also comes out. Ooh, it's hard to fit in when basically they just got used to the idea of aliens. And like David Lynch is doing to poo, which is just like a level just like insanity on top of everything.
Lynch's Unique Grotesque Vision of Harkonnens
00:11:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's a bad call And I think I think I think like the probably like the most David Lynchian thing is like the Harkodens because they're like just like Like in you know in day like the new Dune are just like like very like they're like They're not like these like disgusting monsters like they are in this movie like they're just like They are like ginger's pervert. Yeah pervert stupid like disgusting monsters
00:12:14
Speaker
And is it their whole race they all look that way or is it like everyone related? Well it's because like in the new movies they're all kind of like bald, super pale skin but like they're like you know they're like very like cunning like
00:12:31
Speaker
Vicious like they're like they're not like you're not like foolish like not like you know still in scarters not like you know fooling around giggling and like killing killing random like serving boys and stuff They're like they're like an actual like dangerous threat in the in like the new one like this one is like how in this movie It's like how on earth are the our code. It's like a threat to anybody. There's there's just like there's such fucking more
00:12:59
Speaker
They start strong in the beginning with the plotting and the scheming and then they get kind of crazy with What looks like a fear dream? Jim Henson effects nightmare Especially with the killing of the servant boy and how Like the sexual tension in that room is just bizarre
00:13:23
Speaker
And the Baron also was really attracted to his nephew, Sting. It is gross. I mean, I get it. Okay, this guy is supposed to be some sort of space Julius Caesar monster. But there is a point where you don't see Sting for a while and then he gets reintroduced in such a famous way.
00:13:50
Speaker
I'm very curious how they're gonna use, cause Austin Butler's played that character now, obviously the new one. I hope he's wearing the same copy.
Sting's Role and Speculation on New Adaptations
00:13:59
Speaker
Like he just emerged from a steam bath at one point. He's still got the Elvis accent, he can't get rid of. I think he finally got rid of that accent for 2x2, I think he escaped it finally.
00:14:16
Speaker
Yeah, I think sting is definitely like play the one things that people remember the most with this movie But like he he doesn't really have a lot to do It's exactly like like he shows up in the beginning and then like you said he disappears Then he comes out of the steam bath in his speedo Which is like probably one of the most memorable scenes of the movie and then like then it just it like duels Paul at the end and that's what that's it's You know, it's crazy like his introduction I think it is like at home you it feels like I'm using video
00:14:43
Speaker
I'm I'm shocked you didn't do like like a song or something for this movie that which would have been It's like a state music video or something Because because they already had Toto doing the music which is like another crazy element It's it's so like not Toto It's just like you would not you not even like like if you had like five guesses who made the music like you wouldn't guess Toto did the music and
Toto's Unusual Soundtrack for Dune
00:15:13
Speaker
because it's so far away from like Africa or like Hold the Line or either like normal Toto songs like just like this like generic kind of like I mean it has guitars a little bit so that's kind of like the only thing that makes it like Toto-esque and then like the end credits song which is like I think I think it actually had like an actual version like lyrics and stuff for like the end credits song it's like it's like Take My Hand is named the song
00:15:39
Speaker
Yeah, I wish I wish there had been like yeah like just a full-on like like Toto like like songs like lyrics like pop songs I put it over the top. I bless the rains Out of Arrakis Arrakis As another thing this movie would have been it the dune is not what they call the player I think it's a nickname of Arrakis
00:16:05
Speaker
I think so, because Paul is Arrakis Dune.
Dull Atreides and Character Interactions
00:16:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's interchangeable. Yeah. Which I guess, so we were talking about the Harkon's, Paul and the Atreides, I feel like they're all kind of boring and sedated. They're all very not, they're all just the same kind of total level.
00:16:36
Speaker
Yeah, their their culture seems to be having a almost German royalty, like their Prussian family. Well, I mean, like the like the Duke is fucking like the captain of the of like, like those boots. Yeah. Like Jurgen, Jurgen Prussian. Now, like he was like, like the star of like those boots.
00:17:02
Speaker
It's cool because I totally forgot who his father was and then both Kyle McLaughlin and Jurgen at the time they look almost like brothers more than fathers. But Kyle's like 20 something in this movie I think. I think he's like 21. Jurgen's like 38. Like it's just like Kyle McLaughlin and a lot of people say like he suffers from old man face. Yeah, because I don't know how old
00:17:32
Speaker
like Paul is supposed to be in like the books or something. I think he's, but I think he's supposed to be like, you know, older teens slash like maybe, yeah, like, but, but yeah, column o'clock and like, like, I mean, column, column o'clock compared to like Timothy Chalamet. Like Timothy Chalamet definitely feels more like, yeah, he's like a young, like a young man who's like, in the events of Dune, it's at least, I would say eight years he's on that planet.
Political Intrigue in Lynch's Dune
00:18:02
Speaker
more like it's it's not the breeze it is in this movie I don't they're not they're not they're like the house trays in there for a very long before like the like yo Harkonnen's in there like Emperor troops attack so
00:18:21
Speaker
I think they're there for a while. I'm also thinking when he goes on the exile and then he's just... He fights his holy war for like two years, which the movie explicitly says, but I think when they get to the planet, I think they're only there for a couple weeks maybe at most, and then the Harkonians attack them. Damn.
00:18:44
Speaker
Which I also I love Right at the beginning the movie like I love that the Emperor just like strip like there's a scene where the Emperor says like Oh, yeah, I'm gonna I'm like he's lays out his entire plan like bluntly Which is like, yeah, how's Tracy is getting too powerful? So I'm gonna team up with their coins and send my troops to kill them. I'm giving them records over I guess I don't know the book starts like that it feels like a whole different movie of him explaining his evil plan because
00:19:11
Speaker
I don't remember. It's been so long. So when it starts with just the giant thing in the box. Yeah, the guilt the guilt navigator because who's a giant like space slug because they like just live in spice gas.
Space Navigators' Transformation
00:19:28
Speaker
Oh, that's what it is. Yeah, it's there's there's like this the navigators who like, you know, can fold space and that's how they travel to space. But they they started out as humans and they don't they basically like
00:19:39
Speaker
just put them in tanks for like forever. And then the spice kind of like mutates their body into like the space they turned like a giant space slug. Because they just keep putting a tank and then they just transform into like a navigator. But then the spice gives them the power to like fold the space and like they can like move without moving.
00:20:02
Speaker
Okay, I was confused by that, just because I was like, where the hell is this slug guy? Which we have not seen in the new, I mean, maybe part two, we'll see one, but we have not seen, in part one, we've not seen any sort of like navigator or like slug man or anything like that yet, so. And the Emperor does not show up at all in part one. Like, Christian Walk is playing the Emperor in part two, but he did not show up at all in part one.
Narrative Complexity and Depth Struggle
00:20:26
Speaker
It was kind of like, that was like, it was just like a, you know, shadowy, like the, like we,
00:20:32
Speaker
Stellan Skarjor, the Baron's like, oh, the Emperor's secretly giving him his help to take the House of Trades down. Okay, so second question. Did you see the Naviators crew of the, almost like an Animal Helper crew? But there are two guys in that crew. All their job is to do is vacuum.
00:21:02
Speaker
it's like meaningless vacuuming like before and after like when you leave the room and there's like there's like the guy who like because like the the navigators can still like speak like you like he has like there's not like he doesn't translate anything but there's a guy that shows up just like with a microphone basically just like the navigator like he's not he's like it's translating his voice it's like a different like he's talking like this weird like whatever
00:21:29
Speaker
speech he's talking in and then it's it's like he's like translating his voice in like a weird way it's like it's like the like guys like leather show up in the beginning just like the nav this is the navigator like pretty cool right no that part I kind of understood but uh yeah the like
Slug-like Space Navigator and Emperor's Lack of Threat
00:21:53
Speaker
You're just so overwhelmed by the visuals and you just, there's no connection yet. You have no idea what's going on. Yeah. You're, you're, you're five minutes into the movie and there's a giant slug man. Yeah. That is how this movie just introduced itself and it's a lot.
00:22:12
Speaker
Yeah. I also think the Emperor also does not seem that threatening. No. When you think of the Emperor, I think of Emperor Palpatine. That's an Emperor. This guy seems like the bad guy of some sort of caribbean island that expendables your killer or something. It doesn't seem like the Emperor of the entire fucking universe. And he's answering to the slug monster?
00:22:40
Speaker
So it's already starting off on the wrong foot. Yeah, he just does not seem like someone that is like... This is like the all-powerful person of the entire known universe.
Navigators' Guild and Paul as a Threat
00:22:51
Speaker
It's like this guy in like this like dictator outfit. No offense to Jose Ferrer, but like, I mean, he's not too threatening at all. No, no. And the fact that like, you see him kind of struggle and try to explain his...
00:23:08
Speaker
is plot and then the monster is just sort of like, yeah, I didn't say this. Bye. I was not here. So he doesn't agree. Like he doesn't want to be known that they, the guild agrees with the emperor. Well, the guilt, the guilt is like the navigators guild is like the other ones, like basically like putting this whole plan in motion. Like we don't, we, like, we don't want house, like house trades is a threat to like our, our guild plus like the, like the emperor. So like we want you to take them out and also like,
00:23:37
Speaker
I think because I think because the spice they can see like the future or something they can see like they have a vision so like they know Paul's gonna be like a huge threat to them so that's why they're like kill them now they need to kill a trays like the house trays now at least the navigator was giving him a fair warning goes you have to kill the ball if Paul don't kill don't worry about the Duke yeah Paul Paul's the one
Kwisatz Haderach: Paul's Prophesied Role
00:24:04
Speaker
Paul is what a lot of people refer to as the space Jesus. He's the quitset Hederach. Which I had to look up online. I was like, they mentioned it like many times in the movie, but I was like, what the hell is this? Yeah. Well, there's there's the Benny Jester who had like the space witches, and they were trying for centuries to like have one of their one of their like members, you know, give birth to the quitset Hederach, which is like, you know, like the super being that can like
00:24:32
Speaker
control like see the future see the past like like basically the same powers like space navigators can like you know all these like superpowers basically and then they'll be like the like the most powerful being the universe I get why the navigators are afraid because this thing is very powerful without being dumped in space and yeah like I feel like
00:25:00
Speaker
If they're navigating just full time and space, wouldn't they just teleport this guy out into space and that would solve the problem? I don't know if they can teleport individual people. I think they can just do the ships or something. I don't think they can just teleport a person into the middle of space or something.
Memorable Character Actors in Lynch's Dune
00:25:21
Speaker
I know, it would be a short movie if you'd be dead. Yeah.
00:25:32
Speaker
But yeah, some of the other characters, there's so many character actors in this movie that you're like, oh, that guy's here. I think definitely someone who's better in this, the character's better in this movie than the new ones is Brad Duroff as Peter DeVries, because David the dust mouse, she can place him in part one. And he's good, but he doesn't really have a lot to do.
00:26:01
Speaker
And like Brad Dervish is like devouring C&R in this movie. Yeah, he eats scenery in this and he has a creepy energy to him. And he seems like the true person like running the Arkonins, like the Baron and all of his nephews are just like fucking morons and he's more like
00:26:24
Speaker
Uh, you know, this is the plan we should be doing guys, like stop floating around in like your helium suit. Like we got, we got like this plan. Yeah. He's the one keeping the group on task.
Grotesque Harkonnens: Bizarre Behaviors and Environments
00:26:41
Speaker
And I dunno, the, the issue I see is that there should be more people in charge or
00:26:52
Speaker
the Harkonnens need like handlers. Yeah. So I know the new one, like the Harkonnen people aren't like left alone. They usually have someone there with him. Or they have like a crew. But in this, it's just like the doctors working on the, what is it like the the Baron is like hideous like face
00:27:22
Speaker
I want to get into the crazy introduction of other opponents. Well, yeah. And then you're seeing the Baron who is like praised by his world's people. Like they think he's the most beautiful man. He's, you can't do wrong. This is a God on his planet. Yeah. And then they bring in Sting and his brother and
00:27:46
Speaker
I mentioned like it comes in like a music video. There's like a whole soundtrack change, camera angle zooms. It becomes like a fever dream of just like this feels like David Lynch really like, oh, I mean, touch the waters of just getting people to my visuals. Yeah. So Paul Smith is Raban, who is Dave Batista in the new ones. Yeah.
00:28:13
Speaker
Paul Smith doesn't really do much as I know that he's like a big dude, which fine, he looks like a tough 80s big dude, but not by today's standard anymore, right? Yo, can we fair? Like David, he didn't really do much in the new one either. Like he, but he looks way more like intimidating and threatening than the new one.
00:28:31
Speaker
But he doesn't really fight anybody or do anything. Like, I mean, I'm hoping in part two, like he, like in, uh, but he's still kind of the new one is kind of like, he just is like, kind of like saying, like he standing around and yelling at
Portrayal of Harkonnens: Old vs. New Dune
00:28:43
Speaker
people. Like, you know, he's the only like, we got killer trainees, but then he hasn't, he hasn't gained like any like big fights or anything. Yeah. Hopefully maybe part two, like he'll like, you know, get a skirmish or somebody, but I see.
00:29:02
Speaker
Uh, yeah, so basically when you're seeing their crew, they're all just like greasy looking. Every Harkonian has like a sheen on them, either through like pure sex magic, which is the same look, or they're just gross for either eating like out of control or mer- like putting the plug on their servants, which I was like, is it just like a thing in your planet? You have to have a heart plug.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's a plug that you can pull out and they just like bleed to death and you pull it out. And like at one point like Rabban like just like walks past like these guys just like carving like an upside down cow. He's like rips off like the ear or something. He starts eating it. Yeah, I do. I don't know. I was like a space cow. That's how you eat it. I don't know. It's just a cow going on. Yeah. So yeah, that's the villains. And they talk about like that they run
00:30:01
Speaker
I think I think I think the only reason that like they're so powerful and I at least in this in this version is like because they ran They ran the spice trade Arrakis. They're like super super super rich Their time is come where it's over but
00:30:15
Speaker
But I don't understand why. If they never ran Arrakis, I don't understand how they would be a powerful force in the universe.
Weirding Modules and Adaptation Differences
00:30:25
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know what trade they have. The new Harkonnens are like, oh, OK. Even if they didn't run Dune before, Arrakis before, they're still a very threatening force. They're scary and intimidating.
00:30:40
Speaker
And like, I, I, I get, they could like, you know, go to war with like other like houses and stuff. But he's got like the dude 94 are coming. They're just like, they're like such, like, so ridiculous. So yeah, we're at war, essentially feuding between the aristocratic family of the tradies, and then the opponents who are just like hillbilly perverts.
00:31:10
Speaker
Yep. And the Emperor sides with the Hillbilly reference. Yeah, I was like, why? Because apparently the traders are getting too powerful. They're threatening the Emperor. And they have the secret weapon, which is the weirding modules.
00:31:28
Speaker
Even they don't know what that is because they say that it's like a secretive thing and they can't figure it out. Someone tells the Emperor or someone like, oh, there's a building like a Sonic army or something.
00:31:43
Speaker
which so yeah so the weirding modules are like you can use your voice and it basically fires like a projectile beam and then like but then like different words have different effects apparently um and which they're not in the book uh they got they're created basically just for this movie the new movies don't have anything to do with like the weirding modules or um
00:32:07
Speaker
it's basically in the books there is um the weirding way which is like it's like basically it's the Benny Gesserit like fighting style where if you're trained in like this like specifically martial art you can like teleport basically and that's what the weirding way is but in this movie it's that the weirding way is like oh you actually have like weirding modules that like in the weirding ways like you use your voice to like uh you know fire beams of energy
00:32:33
Speaker
They really, they really don't play like, cause there's a reading module, but there's also just the voice, which is like, you use like, you know, control people and force them to do things. Yeah. And the new one really leads into the voice and there's nothing about there. There hasn't been anything yet about like, you know, the weirding way or like any sort of like martial arts or anything.
00:32:55
Speaker
This one like I think like they use like the voice like twice And it's all about like the he's like weird beam guns that you like shout it's like that uh, what's that like Nintendo thing like the like uh That like weird like headset that you like the you like the yellow things that like it shoots like like gun. Oh Yeah, I know you're talking about what's called
00:33:23
Speaker
Yeah. It's just a weird thing. Late in the movie, people are just yelling words and like shooting beams, like exploiting things. And the effects aren't that great. Oh no. They did not add what you think they're going to add for a voice weapon. The gun, whatever, right? But there's no yellow lines. There's no cartoon outline.
00:33:54
Speaker
It just sort of, it would just fall down. Well sometimes it's not even like a beam at all. There's not even like a visual repetition of it. It's just like explosion happens. That's what I'm saying. You're just voicing or assuming that that's the same person talking. Because sometimes you're like, oh wait, it's like invisible? It's like an invisible beam? But then sometimes there are actual beams. It's very consistent about what these breeding modules do.
00:34:21
Speaker
But that's after Paul has joined the Fremen, the native warriors of Arrakis.
Paul as Fremen Leader and Rebellion Initiation
00:34:30
Speaker
And it becomes like they're like, it becomes like, Muad'Dib is that name. And then he becomes like their leader because he's like their Messiah, basically. Yeah, for the planet that saw some cool shit.
00:34:50
Speaker
like no one else has seen it because no one's reporting on this. So it's just like the Emperor wants to come see this for himself. Essentially, the movie is about this rebellion that is halting the production of spice. Because okay, I guess in the books, they really take its time up the fall of House of Trades, and it takes a while. But what's in this movie, they get really into like certain specifics for like a good 10 minutes in each subject.
00:35:19
Speaker
like I was like, so like doing part one, the new one is basically they, it's like, you know, it's two and a half hours and it's all like, it's all of all the fall, like fall of the trade ease and like it ends with like, it ends with like Paul, I joined the Fremen and then that's where like part two is going to pick up. So then, but then this one is like the first
Abrupt Pacing and Montage Sequences
00:35:42
Speaker
what hour and a half is we kind of get to that point but then the last 45 minutes is like this like crazy condensed like it's like like it's sort of like it kind of like devolves it's like it's like like segments and then like it like fades out or like montages where it's like it's like there's like tons of voiceover from like Virginia Mads to me like for two years Paul led the Freeman against the rebellion against the Emperor and like destroyed the spice production it's like two years
00:36:12
Speaker
Yeah. I didn't make sure that because Kyle McLaughlin's hair grows out slightly. Yeah. Well, there was apparently there was like, um, like David Lynch had like a, got it down to like a three hour version, but then the universe was like, no, it's gotta be two hours or like just barely over two hours. So then they had to reshoot a bunch of stuff and they had to like redo, like add a bunch of voice over and then that's why like the end is like so montage-y and crazy.
House Atreides' Betrayal and Sabotage
00:36:36
Speaker
So, uh, yeah, let's get into just like the,
00:36:42
Speaker
right before the fall because it seemed like you didn't know who the villain was at the moment yet, like who the betrayer is. So my money was on, like if you haven't seen it before, you think it's going to be the master assassin, right? It feels like it was going to be him. Like which character?
00:37:11
Speaker
the minute guy, the trainees' minute. Oh, he's not a sassy. He's like, he's like, uh, like, like data from, like, Star Trek. He's like, uh, like a human calculator, basically. Is he? Yeah, that's what the Mentats are. They're like, um, they're like, they're like, that's what, that's what, like, uh, Brad Duroff is too. Like he's like the Harkonnen's Mentat. They're like, they're kind of like, they can like, they like do like calculations. They like take spice and like, they do like these like crazy calculations and stuff.
00:37:37
Speaker
Okay, but that's the thing. So one minute can do calculation, thinks he has a good plan. And then one version that does the same thing and he is... No, see, he's the master of assassins for House of Trees. That's his title. I guess maybe that's like one of his other roles, I guess, baby. I don't know. So that's the thing. He's the one who's like the tactician who's just like, all right, we need to do this and this.
00:38:06
Speaker
is he's the one who's figuring out where the bombs are flying at, but he's mentioning that he's finding them too easily. And finding all the, like, Harkonnen guys that are sealed at the walls. Yeah, and it's like, oh, there's a dead Harkonnen that just is here. It's like, where are these guys popping out from? They get into the new one, too, where Harkonnen's just sabotaged all the equipment and left all this, like, the shittiest equipment for their attorneys, like, because they couldn't produce enough spice.
00:38:35
Speaker
That makes sense. It's like, oh, we're training hands. So like, let's give you the shittiest parts. You know, they're basically trashing the apartment. So I get why there are like bad equipment, but there's like new dead bodies that they keep finding like every hour in their time. Where are these guys coming from? Also, why don't the Harkonians also have the suit?
00:39:04
Speaker
like efficiency suit the still suits yeah they like no one else has them besides house of trades and then the people who live there i think i think it's part of it is maybe because like the harkonnens were like like like basically trying to murder all the Fremen like they were like at war with the Fremen and then their trades like are trying to like they make peace with them ah yeah that's the difference between the new one is that they actually see a little bit more on their side so it's not just like
00:39:34
Speaker
an hour and a half in and then it's just like, oh, let's, let's figure out what the Fremen are all about. Yeah. Also, why are they called the Fremen? Not the, uh, Harkod, uh, Harkhoyne? Arakians or something? Arakian, yeah. Is that the, just not all that? Yeah. A whole different tribe name.
00:39:54
Speaker
That was confusing a little bit. Also, the Fremen in this movie are way more trusting and welcoming than the new one.
Fremen Prophecy and Trust Issues
00:40:01
Speaker
The new one, Paulists fucking kill one of them as soon as they arrive. One of them is like, we got to kill these outsiders. It's like, well, fight them, I guess.
00:40:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's tribal. So sorry, you want to be a part of this clan? Prove your worth. And this one is like, Oh, hey, welcome. Like, let's, let's show you like, are like billions of gallons of water that we keep underground. Okay, so to be fair, when they discovered them, it, some of them were like part of their factory. So it wasn't like, uh, complete like lies.
00:40:37
Speaker
Yeah, we like all we gotta like figure that out. Plus, like they gained the trust because the Fremen were the servants in the place. Yeah, there's like the one who was like the housekeeper and then like Paul saves her from like the the real control like assassin bug. Which that scene takes forever.
00:40:57
Speaker
the whole don't move, watch it float around. It's very similar to the new one. It's like also kind of like trying to build tension and stuff, the new one. It's a very similar scene. I think that's what I am trying to turn on the subtitles.
00:41:15
Speaker
It's like it's a hunter seeker. It takes movement. I need to be quiet. It's also making sounds.
00:41:32
Speaker
Is it being remote controlled or does it have AI?
Hunter-Seeker Scene and Mentats' Role
00:41:35
Speaker
It's remote controlled because they find a guy that was buried in the wall that's controlling the hunter seeker. After Paul destroys it, it's like, oh, this guy was buried in the wall with a remote control for months. But that guy, he couldn't see Paul?
00:41:55
Speaker
I don't know how, I don't, I don't know if he can like, if that, like, you know, hunter seeker had like a camera in there or something. Yeah. I don't really know how he like is able to control it. Cause it's, cause it says, I think he says it's a too dark or it texts. You can only see it by movement, but then so it's like, it must have like a very terrible, like like sensor system or something in it or like no like light sensors. So like weird technology has limitations. Yeah.
00:42:26
Speaker
So another thing about, uh, uh, was it Dorff? Hardwatt? The Freddie Jones character? Same guy. Oh, oh. Oh, Thufir? Thufir Hawat? So I thought Doofir and then Brad Dorff were like father and son or something.
00:42:45
Speaker
Well, I think they're just like, I don't know if the Mentats are a species or if they're like, like all Mentats, I have like, you know, like the crazy eyebrows or something, but like, because they're both, they're both, they're both Mentats. So they're both like these like, uh, like kind of like human computers, basically. But the fact that they all have the same hair, like hair, crazy, crazy, pushy eyebrows. Yeah.
00:43:11
Speaker
But I'm assuming it's just uniformity. Eventually, everyone hits a species peak, so they all have the traits. They all look the same in this planet. I mean, that's why it's no diversity, I guess, because eventually they all become whatever the planet is. That's why the Harkonians all look like kinkers.
00:43:41
Speaker
Uh, so yeah.
Doctor Yueh's Betrayal: 1984 vs. New Adaptations
00:43:43
Speaker
The big betrayal by the Doctor, who... Dean Stockwell. Yeah, Dean Stockwell really showing his thing. But his thing is the fall of Trays is sort of a crazy play that he wanted to get close to the Baron.
00:44:01
Speaker
Yeah, because in this version, they killed his wife already, like his wife was dead. But then in the new one, they're like stringing him along saying, Oh, your wife is still like, we're holding your wife hostage. And if you help us kill the trades, like what your wife go. I see. So so this is in the 1984 version, it's all about like, it's already like, it's just strictly revenge. And like, I need to like kill like the person that killed my wife and my family or whatever. So well,
00:44:30
Speaker
That's the, so no thing is he, um, he was really like his will was broken or it's like, like his confidence where it was. He had some sort of, like he had Imperial programming and then they broke it or something somehow. And then, which I'm not sure what that means, but it's not explained. The one who's like, Oh, I did it. Yeah. So apparently that means that they were able to turn him against like their tradies. Cause I guess if they didn't do that, he was like absolutely loyal to the tradies, I guess, or something.
Duncan Idaho and Gurney Halleck: Unique Portrayals
00:45:06
Speaker
You know, I will say, one of the greatest characters that is totally, like, is absolutely, like, 1000% better in the new one is Duck in Idaho. Oh, I was thinking of that. Like, such, like, in this movie is, like, just an absolute nothing burger. Like, like, it was a fucking boring character in the entire movie. And then in the new one... I forgot, like, who he was. Yeah. In the new one, in the new one's like Jason Momoa, and he's like, like, so much, like, personality, and, like, calling like, like, my boy! Like, like...
00:45:35
Speaker
He's supposed to be one of the best warriors of the House of Trades. He gets murked so easily. In this, yeah, this is the best. He lets a dart fly through his shield against slow motion and stab him from the head and he's dead. It's like, all right. I mean, not to spell out the new one, but that happens better in the... In part one, he has this epic last stand. He takes on
00:46:05
Speaker
a dozen guys by himself to let Paul and Jessica escape. It's a way more heroic death. It's a million times better character. It's way more interesting, way more fun. He has actual jokes, he has personality. If there's one character that is significantly better than the new one, it's Duncan Idaho. This movie does not do justice to that character at all.
00:46:33
Speaker
Yeah, the actor who played him isn't bad. It just gave him nothing to do. I'm still trying to figure out if Judge Brolin or Patrick Stewart, though, because that's a competition. Because they're both great. Gunnery is interesting, because in the beginning, you've got to tell him. Gurney, yeah. Gurney. Walks in with this badass loop.
00:47:01
Speaker
That is, I think I saw the Simpsons parody at first before. Oh, like I remember seeing in the Simpsons someone like the combo guy is like trying to teach Bart that like that's a cool thing to get into this hobby. And yeah, it's like he's like the like most musician musical guy in like a house of trades. He's he's he's like a warrior musician. But
00:47:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, all right, I get it. And I bet you Josh Brolin does not have that, right? He doesn't walk around that loop. They make a joke, like Paul is at one point is like, sing us a song, Gurney. But he doesn't have his whatever instrument that is. And he also doesn't have a battle pug, which I think maybe puts Patrick Stewart above Josh Brolin. I don't know if that's in the book.
00:47:53
Speaker
Like, House of Trades just has, like, pugs everywhere. They're all carrying pugs. Yeah. And the royal thing. I think they're supposed to be modeled off the British family because Queen Elizabeth had pugs. Yeah. So they're supposed to be that kind of with the royalty. One of the best scenes in 1984 is Patrick Stewart, like, in battle, like, fighting, like, Darkonids when they're, like, attacking the House of Trades. He's a pug.
Lady Jessica: Character Strength in Adaptations
00:48:19
Speaker
I'll get a little pug puppy tucked into his shirt. And he's like, firing a machine gun. And he's like, our code ends. So hopefully, maybe part two, maybe we'll get a pug at some point. There wasn't any pugs in part one. That's in the books, I'm wondering. It's either in the books or it's just a weird David Lynch thing. I'm just like, give him all pugs. I feel like that's a David Lynch thing. I like pugs. Give him all pugs.
00:48:50
Speaker
This makes no sense. Somehow, Pugs survived. The only dog species that survived is Pugs. Right now, Pugs have one of the worst dog health. It's better in the future. They get a giant boost.
00:49:12
Speaker
Oh, if if you're if you're comparing characters to I think, you know, Rebecca Ferguson is also definitely a huge improvement over Francesca Anis as Lady Jessica, like, who's kind of like kind of devolved like a like, it's like a super helpless character after like, how straight his follows and then she'd power like in the desert. I mean, she she sort of was cheering on her son and and distances. I don't know.
00:49:42
Speaker
encouraging and she gives birth to the super baby well yeah she drinks the like poison water that like uh also but also like turns her into like a like a super a super witch i guess and then also yeah give let's just give his birth to uh paul's sister alia who with i guess in two years becomes like a like eight year old eight year old yeah
Introduction of Alia: Rapid Development and Abilities
00:50:06
Speaker
with the full powers of a Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother, which is the most powerful Bene Gesserit witch person. That final scene where she's like, how does she get into wherever they were? She breaks into, single-handedly breaks into Harkonnen's, the Arrakis, or rules Arrakis, that palace. No, that she gets invited. Oh, they invite her in?
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, she's a messenger, so they invite her in. And then that's where she's like, I have a warning. And then they're like, okay. But then they just keep letting her say things, like, do things. That's the whole thing. It's just like, all right, well, the other, their witch is, the Harkonnen's witch is like, this is an abomination. Like, what is this? They need to stop her. And like, no one moves a finger for her. They're like, no, you should probably listen to your witch when she's afraid of that witch. Yeah.
00:50:58
Speaker
This little girl's way more powerful than your wretch. It looks as powerful as her brother, probably. Slightly less powerful than her brother, but they're both insanely powerful. Yeah, they're powerful, because she's just more power in the witch powers. For now, I feel like she should be stronger in the future, where she basically is the best of both worlds. Yeah. Maybe that's something that happens in one of the Dune books.
00:51:27
Speaker
or maybe it happened in like the whatever during one of those months, like, like, maybe there's detail like in the montages that we did. They were like, like trying to cram probably 500 pages into like 45 minutes. So there's a shot with the look. I mean, this girl gets introduced so goddamn quick and brought into the movie. I think the first time we actually hear a talk is
00:51:50
Speaker
Is this or is it before? I think maybe a couple maybe a little bit before. I do. I do. I do love it. Like we basically get the shot like her, like coming out of the womb, basically in the womb. It's like a bloody baby. It's like that, uh, like death stranding scene. It's like, it's like the baby, the baby just like, Hey, I'm here. Like this baby knows it's a baby. Yeah, that's weird. So yeah, I, that part,
00:52:19
Speaker
And then there's a scene where she's like dancing while there's like destruction. Do you notice that? It's like intercut. It's such a David Lynch, like out of context insertion shot. Just like when Paul's having the vision of his sister, when he goes, he realizes what he can foresee, what's growing his mom. Is that when he drinks the letter of life and then has like his crazy trip where he's just like.
00:52:46
Speaker
He finally understands what the sleeper must have made and the moon and all that stuff. And the visions? Yeah. Okay, that's how he figures out his name, right? No, it's before. It's way before. When he joins the firm and he's like, oh, what is like the second phase of the moon or
Paul and Chani's Love Story
00:53:07
Speaker
something? Yeah. And then he falls in love with Chani, his brother, Sean Young.
00:53:13
Speaker
He really didn't fall in love with her forever because he's been having the same dream. I love the one scene they get in this comedy show was like, tell me about your home world. And that's what made her fall in love with her. It's like, oh, she wants to know about my home world. Ooh. And then there's one of the montage things, Virginia Mance is like, and they fell in love. In many years or many days? Like two years, yeah.
00:53:42
Speaker
just that one question. Yeah, it's definitely a pacing issue. I feel like this is the cliff notes of things and you feel it, you feel definitely just rushed because I guess whenever Virginia Madison isn't on like somewhere talking to kind of connect the dots, this movie is just on scale, like very dense. Like
Lynch's Dune vs. Modern Adaptations
00:54:10
Speaker
I thank God they brought them two movies to explain things, and they don't do whisper talk, and there's no Virginia Madison popping out of the galaxy to explain things. Yeah, it would have been Florence Pugh in the new one if they did the same thing, because she's playing the same character that Virginia Mads is playing. But the Emperor's Daughter? The Princess Erlulun. OK, so now I've got a question about that.
00:54:38
Speaker
If you have this Emperor who is Emperor for whatever reason, and then Space U just shows up, yeah, he's gonna take your Emperor tile. He's literally like a god. Yeah. He's taking over the one planet and the entire universe where the most powerful, the most important thing in the galaxy is, the entire universe. You only get Spice on Arrakis. But then, in the movie, he's declaring that he's gonna get rid of all the Spice.
00:55:08
Speaker
Yes, because they'll free everyone from the control of the guild and the emperor. They'll destroy all their power. So is that why he wants it to rain? Because someone said, everyone in the line says, if it rains on that planet with sandworms, and you basically have no sand, and you have no sandworms, and then you have no spice because the spice loves the sandworm. Yeah. So the worms generate the spice? I guess so. Yeah.
00:55:38
Speaker
But then it's like they preferred the desert because of that. They haven't gotten into that in any of our new series yet. Probably in part two. When we see that, we'll get the answers to that probably. Will the worms evolve into whales or something?
Sandworm Depictions: Visual Style Differences
00:55:55
Speaker
I do love to look... The worms are great in this movie, in the 84 version. They're great, awesome, stop-motion monsters.
00:56:09
Speaker
Oh, I mean, but the new ones are also like, like awesome. But like the new ones are just like, it's just like a black hole of teeth. They don't have the same kind of look. It's I mean, because the the the 84 ones have a lot of teeth. They have like the tri-beak kind of thing going on. And like the new ones are just like, it's like a giant gaping hole of teeth.
00:56:37
Speaker
They're more like Sarlacc pit-esque. It's like the Sarlacc monster would also have a giant body. I see. But that's one of Paul's superpowers too. He can control the sandworms and ride the sandworms. They have sandworms and the weirded guns at the end. That's how he can destroy the Emperor and his forces. Yeah.
00:57:06
Speaker
Right now, when, I mean, in 1984, in that, so right after the doctor portrays House of Trades, but then his backup plan is like House of Trades still living on through Paul and hoping that they can escape and build the weird weirding guns again from this planet.
Desert Survival: Stillsuits and Thumpers
00:57:29
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, like that was the doctor's sort of like fail safe.
00:57:34
Speaker
Well, I think that was just like his deal with the Baron. I was like, oh, if you smash this poison tooth and kill the Baron, then I'll make sure Paul and Lady Jessica escape. So the, I don't know, a lot of the scenery chewing happens in the middle is when they're flying the ship that Lady Jessica and Paul take and they crash land in the desert in the Forbidden Zone.
00:58:05
Speaker
the forbidden zone and then all their left is just with the thumper and then they have to run their ass off. They have they have still suits and thumpers and like the plant the plants for the reading way and then well they only have one bumper because they use it one time and then it's like okay you can't walk in rhythm because that's how we piss off the salmon worm so you can walk out of rhythm yes which they don't look like they are they look so funny the the
00:58:31
Speaker
The new, like, does any of the new movies, like, definitely, they get, there's like a very, it's like a specific, like, movement, like, it's like a sweep, then a couple steps, like, it's like a dance, kind of, basically. It's like the, the sandwalk. So they get, they get much more into detail than that. This, yeah, this was like, I got, like, kind of, like, run it a little bit, then stop, and then shuffle a little bit, then run, or something.
Inner Thoughts and Actor Expressions
00:58:53
Speaker
Like, it's not really a specific, like, way of moving in the, in this one, the 84 version. It's like, run.
00:59:01
Speaker
Because that sandworm shows up and then it's pissed for some weird reason. And when they climb into that rock crevice, there's a scene where like, I don't know, it's definitely like Francine Anis, like Lady Jessica, like she acts like nothing's going on. It's a very like, dead like,
00:59:26
Speaker
Oh, you know, it's it's so like she has no concern for Paul at moments. I think it's a lot of a lot of like a tradies actors are just like, they don't really get concerned about anything or like, kind of emotionless about everything. Maybe maybe that's it. Maybe that's the problem I'm seeing. It just there's no emotion. Yeah. Yeah, every kind of feels like they're on tranquilizers or like, sedatives or something.
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah, oddly relax for the what's going on, but cover. I think the voiceover doesn't help either. Cause it's like, there's a lot of seats where there's like, they're supposed to just, they're standing there, like, like motionless or like with like no emotion. And then you can just hear like their voices in their head. So it's just like, calm up. They're just like sitting there. It's like you're hearing his thoughts, but like he's not talking or emoting or anything. It's just like him just staring into like the distance.
01:00:20
Speaker
like all and like all the actors like get get that a lot of like it's like they just have to stare for like however many minutes until like or like how many seconds until like the like voice overs over why what it's like what do i have to do why do you know that what does he mean by that it's like yeah yeah
01:00:47
Speaker
It's a lot of thoughts taking over, so in order to fill in the time, just looks. It's just people giving each other looks. But yeah, let's get into the Fremont cult that is just waiting for them in the cave, and it's the prophecy that they had that no one else knows.
Fremen Prophecy and Paul's Leadership
01:01:12
Speaker
I think there's a there's a there's a it's in the new movie and I think it's in the book it's in the book where like the Benny Gesserit like someone one of their like members like came to like Arrakis and basically he's like they they created the prophecy like there's gonna be someone from off world that knows you're like like that lazy gonna be like your Messiah they'll like free you from like free Arrakis and so like and there's like they basically play all these signs and Paul Paul like meets all those signs they're like oh he's the Messiah
01:01:44
Speaker
I would love to have seen that instead of heard about it. You know, that's a show, don't have to tell me. Have an on planet, a tree and then just sort of just say, oh, hey, like you're the the latest hair. Like you might be the one to save us something, something like that. They really close tight lip on that until the man, the mage says something.
01:02:14
Speaker
But it's just a pacing issue, I feel like.
01:02:17
Speaker
Yeah, it gets it gets it gets like they get to like wherever wherever Like after it's it's like after like they try like the Attack on House of Trades like it's just like whatever that part is in the book then they just like it's just like they got to a point where it's just like oh shit we have to like explain all this like it gets it gets weird and we have to like try to crannish like 45 minutes to it like at most
Storytelling Challenges in Dune Adaptations
01:02:45
Speaker
Cause like, cause like all, all, all this like end stuff for like the Fremen and like the like, you know, water of life and the sandworms and the like, that's going to be like probably three hours in the new movie. And it's like, it's 45 minutes in this movie. So, I mean, that's, that's definitely one of the advantages of the new movies is like, they have like six hours to tell one book instead of like two hours to tell one book.
01:03:16
Speaker
It's like, it's like the opposite. Like this movie has like the opposite, like the 1984 doing has like the opposite problem. Like, like the Hobbit, like the Hobbit trilogy where it's like, it's like that, that was like a short book that like, yeah, expanded like six hours of movies. Like this is like a giant book that like they tried to cram the two hours. This is, yeah, you're right. This is the opposite of the Hobbit issue where they, there's no filler because they just can't like movies, all important key points that they just cram into.
01:03:46
Speaker
or this is like uh like the dark tower where they tried to like cram seven books in the movie i think dark tower was the last movie where they tried to do that yeah and that was that dark tower was like 90 minutes dude that was like you know we were taking these like seven books that are all like 800 pages and we're trying to cram it into 90 minutes
01:04:10
Speaker
So at least, I mean, at least this is like just over two, at least they had like at least two hours to try to like grant his image. It's still nowhere near enough to like try to like get everything into this movie, but. Yeah. It's like a great story. There's great concepts. The problem is, is that you have a lot of exposition that they just don't have time for. Yeah. Um, even us, like, I mean, for us, we, we know,
01:04:39
Speaker
the big thing is the final confrontation between Sting and Tom McLaughlin. They exit Sting out of the movie, and then through just basically fucking with the Spice production, that's when the upper's like, all right, let's see what's going on.
01:05:00
Speaker
The whole end is just so weird. They've won. The Fremen, they've totally destroyed the entire army.
Emperor's Role and Sting's Exit
01:05:11
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They have the Emperor. Oh, and then one night. Here's something I'll give props to the Emperor for. He at least is participating. He's not just sitting behind a door, waiting in a chair. He jumps on a turret. Yeah, that weird, whatever, that spinning turret thing.
01:05:30
Speaker
Yeah, they've won. They have them like it's basically they're about to like, it's like, you're done, like surrender. But then it's just like, oh, hey, Sting, you want to fight? It's like, sure, I'll fight. It's like, all right, let's fight. It's like, it's like no reason for the fight at all because they've like Paul has already won. It's just like the show is just like the show of his new powers, basically. Yeah.
01:05:55
Speaker
but I like that they even said like no powers, no, no voice things. Cause it's supposed to be a knife fight. So that's kind of, he stabs him in like the, like the throat, it kills him. Then he does like, uh, he's like the word, like one of the, like his killing words and it like double kills him. Oh, it's puts him in half and then it's like,
01:06:21
Speaker
There's certain moments I remember as a kid watching this whenever Dune was somewhere and I'd catch bits and pieces. Like I think I saw the whole movie once and then the rest of the time I've caught like in the television version or just some movie channel that had nothing to do for a giant block of time. So yeah, I remember seeing that scene where he does the like fatality on a dead body. And I was thinking that was more epic
01:06:51
Speaker
And there was more things going on, but that's literally the last five minutes of the movie. Yeah. And they also, they never resolve like, Oh, did the Emperor surrender? Like, what, like, it's like, it's sort of like, all right, cool.
01:07:03
Speaker
It starts raining, and then Paul's sister's like, he's the quitset, had a rack, and then that's it. There's no, oh, it's like the empire has fallen. I'm the new emperor now. He kills thing, and everyone's like, all right, it's raining now, I guess. I mean, that was the last of the Harponian heads, I guess. Well, the bearing is thrown into a sandware mouth, and gets eaten.
01:07:29
Speaker
which they reuse that battle
Dune's Musical Themes and Design
01:07:32
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theme. It's like someone else made that battle theme and they really get their money's worth trying to put that in any time they're fighting. I try to think that's a Toto theme or just because it's also like the Toto theme. It's like this is from someone else. It's in the credits. It's that he has a battle theme. Well, there's the prophecy theme which Brian Eno created.
01:07:59
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I don't know if it's the same guy. Yeah, so like, so Brian is like, you know, like, you know, experimental, like, like, and then he specifically did, like, the prophecy theme and then like, totally the rest of the, like, the other music. Maybe the prophecy theme is the battle music, I'm thinking. Maybe, yeah. It almost reminds me of the Transformers battle theme, like the movie fight scene that's epic.
01:08:29
Speaker
because it's just like guitar strings, then wailing sounds. And the final battle is pretty cool. The giant worms, the miniatures, all the extras that they hired to run in the desert. And I love all the like, like the Harkonnen like troops are also like, look really awesome. But like, a bunch of a bunch of the costumes are like, like, really awesome in this movie, like, just like,
01:08:53
Speaker
weird radiation suits or weird stormtrooper-esque suits. Yeah, they went all out on certain designs. Some of the visuals look rough still. I don't know where they are. All the practical stuff is great. Anything that tries to do primitive CG or primitive visual effects is terrible.
Raw Appeal of Final Knife Fight
01:09:21
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Agreed.
01:09:22
Speaker
Agreed. And that's why at the end, when they just go to a basic knife fight, it just looks good. No one's using shields. There's no stupid monster watching. It's just all straight up these two guys trying to stab each other. And then Paul's vision of the future happens with Sting laughing. I love those two, where it's just like, Paul just keeps having these visions and the one in the stage is just like, I'm going to kill you, Paul. I'll see you later.
01:09:52
Speaker
Yeah, I'm staying. You're dead, Paul. But yeah, overall,
01:10:08
Speaker
Dune 1984, you know, very interesting, interesting movie. I'm glad we have like the, like the Denis Villeneuve movies now to like, kind of like, you know, give Dune like a proper adaptation. But this is like a very, you know, weird, interesting take on the same material.
Interest in 2000s Dune Miniseries
01:10:25
Speaker
I'm kind of interested in seeing the 2000s version, the Mayra TV movies that they made. I don't, I don't know if that was like Dune Dune. I think it was like, like one of the, it was like one of the sequel books or something.
01:10:37
Speaker
No, there's like a 2000s dune dune. And then children do follow that. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. A sci fi miniseries. Frank Herbert's dude. Yeah. So interesting seeing that version is not as three movies, you know, spread out the plot.
01:11:02
Speaker
I don't know. I might go off the books and watch that one too. I don't know where the hell you'd find that now, but. Deep cut. Search the archives. Or like YouTube or something maybe. That was apparently like that sci-fi. The sci-fi dude was like one of the highest rated programs.
01:11:26
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As of like 2000, like 4 years later, it was still one of the highest rated shows on Sci-Fi. It looks okay. It looks like a TV movie, so it's not trying to do anything beyond that. Yeah, this movie did so much.
01:11:54
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely tried to like, you know, I mean, I've never read the book. I mean, maybe at some point, I'll try to read the book, the actual book, Dune. But everything I've heard about is like, it's like, it's like, it's so it's super dense.
01:12:13
Speaker
It's super, there's so much going on in it. It's 900 pages. It's an epic, it's an effort to read it, apparently. And just try to translate that to a two-hour movie in 1984.
01:12:35
Speaker
They were trying to do it in like 1972. I can't even imagine like a version that would come out in like 1970. I am interested in that documentary. That's them trying to explain how they got in that pre-production phase of Dune. Yeah, I haven't seen that either. Like, Jodorowsky's Dune, I haven't seen that yet, but I've heard that's a really great documentary and it's like a lot of like crazy interesting stuff.
01:12:54
Speaker
they did like HR Geiger did like the designs for that one? Super team of people and that Geiger design later on influenced his work and all that just because he kind of pushed himself to design the ships that were accurate and I guess the Harkonian technology is very gross looking because the ship's designs are all based on humanoid faces. Yeah, like I think like it's like the Baron's like like
01:13:21
Speaker
like headquarters or like his palace is like a giant head in this one. And some of the artwork that if you look at some Geiger stuff is for Doom, like that kind of infamous, kind of new alien humanoid train looking thing. Yeah, I think that was like a space, like one of the ships or something that was going to be like one of the ships in like Jedi West's dude. I always thought that was some sort of original concept, but I know that he basically was storyboarding
01:13:52
Speaker
from what he was reading about Doom and putting it together. I also have to see if the, from some of the photos I saw from the generosity movie, the survival suits are totally different. They're more like Middle Eastern design.
01:14:14
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I will say the new Dune design is very similar to the 84 Dune. There's not really that much difference between the new ones and the still suits. They're very similar designs. Just different color? Maybe a little bit more tactical and realistic. But the same general look is very similar.
01:14:47
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It's also it's also really interesting to like just like hearing like see like see like the exact same scenes like hearing the exact same lines like in this one and then like the new one and just see like how different they are.
01:14:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm interested if you watch that again, just compare it. Like the scene where Gurney is training Paul with knives and stuff, there's the exact same lines in the scenes and stuff, but obviously we talked about how terrible it looks in the 94 version and how good it is in the new one with the shields and everything.
01:15:25
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. It's definitely an interesting thing to check out, especially as we gear up for what people are saying is like one of the greatest type of movies of all time with you, part two. So I'm excited. By the time you hear this, hopefully I'll have seen it. And then I'm sure if I see it, I'll review on the site soon.
01:15:54
Speaker
So keep an eye out for that. Or probably not. If you buy that popcorn bucket, we don't see it for a while. Why don't they have seen near me? So I can't, I can't get the popcorn buckets. You can make your own weird version. Yeah. Bring it in the movie. My sand worm. No, no, no. This isn't for sex. It's for popcorn.
01:16:21
Speaker
But yes, I think they'll wrap it up this week. So yeah, keep an eye out for a review of Doom part 2, the new one. That should be up soon on the sites. We also have our Game Box 2.0 for February. You can check out what games we played this month. We played a bunch of interesting games. And all of our usual features are up there as well. However, check all that stuff out. And yeah, coming back next week, we're going to be talking about Children of the Corn, because that's celebrating its
01:16:51
Speaker
I think it's the 30th anniversary or 25th anniversary. It's got an anniversary next week. We're going to talk about it. We'll drive into all the insanity of that movie. Speaking of another weird 80s movie with questionable special effects. So come back next week for that. And yeah, so for Chris, I'm Zach, and we will see you next week. For more Everything Action, head to www.EverythingAction.com.
01:17:19
Speaker
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