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Saw (2004)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris want to play a game and discuss 2004's Saw, which just celebrated its 20th anniversary.
Kicking off a massive franchise, Saw started simple with Dr. Lawrence Gordon (Cary Elwes) and Adam (Leigh Whannell) finding themselves chained to the pipes of a dingy bathroom and realizing they are the latest victims of the Jigsaw Killer (Tobin Bell), who has been capturing people and putting them into gruesome challenges, almost none of whom survive. Danny Glover is Detective Tapp, obsessed with finding and capturing Jigsaw. Zach and Chris discuss how every building in the Saw universe is rundown and grimy, if Adam should have been placed in a more eyeball-focused trap, how the bathroom trap feels more like an escape room than the later Jigsaw traps, how weird it is every time someone calls Cary Elwes "Larry" and more.
You can watch Saw on Max. Next week, we're heading to San Fransokyo to discuss Big Hero 6, celebrating its 10th anniversary.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast for the week of October 28th, 2024. I'm your host Zach. I'm your co-host Chris.
Impact and Legacy of 'Saw'
00:00:26
Speaker
Yeah, and this week we want to play a game because we're talking about the first Saw movie that is celebrating its 20th anniversary this week, came out October 29th, 2004. And, you know, Kickstarter, Kickstarter, like two decades worth of increasingly crazy sequels and prequels and interquels and games. And I mean, there's even like a like a roller coaster. So I think in like, when the like, like British, like the parks has like ah a roller coaster piece and saw.
00:00:59
Speaker
But yeah, but ah but all it all began with this ah very you know small small budgets, ah
00:01:07
Speaker
like kind of expanded student film from ah James Wan and Lee Wan-El, both making their like screenwriting and directing debuts. Like James Wan, this is his directorial debut. Bold, because this just feels more like a music video director took over.
Theatrical Success and Setting
00:01:30
Speaker
Well, I think he was doing like, ah
00:01:37
Speaker
yeah, just i mean I think yeah just like shorts and stuff. And then he he and Lee Wendell went to college, like like to film school together. And then they you they wrote the script for Saw. And then they made like a a short film. but I think it was like one of the scenes from the first Saw. it they had They made that to kind of sell it to like the studios. And Lionsgate jumped on it. and they it was actually gonna be like originally gonna be like a restrictive video just like you know dump this on DVD movie but then they recent theaters and you know it made a hundred million dollars it was like one of the successful horror movies of all time it makes sense because this this kind of movie honestly like if you take out a lot of the settings and stuff it would just
00:02:22
Speaker
trimmed. This feels like a like a strict DVD movie if they didn't have like the budget for the elaborate sets. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it's because yeah it's it's ah cause it's all about, um you know, what
Unique Storytelling and Characters
00:02:40
Speaker
is it? I would say 70% of this movie, 80% takes place in the in the bathroom. Yep. If you want to call this like the room, the movie, this would have been it.
00:02:52
Speaker
Uh, and then you don't even get the premise of why it's called saw yet. Cause if anything, this movie would have been called like Higmas man, or like the bathroom, like we said, or like chain. You know, now not, not actually much. It is kind of weird that like the the series became saw cause like it saws are only like, I think the only factor into like this movie really. Yeah.
00:03:18
Speaker
It's not like everything is a buzzsaw or like a chainsaw. Like it's really just the one part. I mean, he's, I mean, I mean, jockery, we call himself is the jigsaw killer, but like, but this is the series is a jigsaw.
00:03:32
Speaker
yeah so it goes not where So it's like he comes up jigsaw, but his mascot is not jigsaw. right it like it' slappy It's It's Billy and then the like the pick the pig masks. Pig masks, right? And then the the first and this one was like all his victims, he took out the jigsaw, but then he just stops that for like the rest of the series. There's less of this movie that he doesn't really do anywhere else. Like um you know like like just lie like lie in the middle of his own game for like however like six hours.
Drama and Performance
00:04:12
Speaker
like like he's Like he's like very hands off for, I mean, I'm sorry, but he's dead for like the majority of his movies, but for like, you know, the rest like, guess I guess until he's sort of in the game, cause like he's always's playing like kind of a side game with Donnie Wahlberg, but. Yeah, but that was the fun twist on the first movie where you think You know, I mean, it became a Saw staple for a while where things happen out of order and then you figure out like what the true timeline is. Yeah. So that's sort of like new. That's different in the series, which I appreciate more. And especially when it all ties in. um Yeah, but they when they when they do like the ah the the ZEPs the zepss theme like but like montage reveal yeah movie where it's just like
00:05:07
Speaker
Here's, here's, here's all the reveals. It's crazy. Did you see this? Do you remember this part? This is what it actually means. Like, uh, but yeah, and this one, it's just back to basics and you get just like a drama really. It's a horror movie for like maybe one third. And then it's just really just, uh,
00:05:29
Speaker
two guys trying to figure out each other and then circumvent the mysterious figure that's controlling everything. They don't even say like Mr. Jigsaw or anything. They just are screaming at a and That camera in a window, yeah. So it's not like they're arguing with any main villain. I don't think they even meet really Zeb.
00:05:59
Speaker
the other guy that it's like the misdirect because I mean a lot of people assumed we knew who jigsaw was and all this but not to spoil it I guess just you know on the floor it's one of those things where now that we see it it's like you can't unsee this movie yeah What's that That's like the most dedicated like John is ever to like one of his own games. I was like, I'm just going to lie on the floor in the middle of his game for like six hours, or like however long it takes them to like try to figure out either win or lose. What is it, six or four hours? I think the it was like, but they had till six o'clock the next day. Because it was like 10 30s.
00:06:47
Speaker
There's a certain timeframe. They had like, they had to do it by like, whatever, six o'clock PM or eight, whatever, whatever time that was, but six
Evolution of Traps and Influence
00:06:53
Speaker
o'clock. And then if they they do it by then, then they both failed.
00:07:01
Speaker
Which is actually, that's, it's that's also like a pretty generous timeframe for like ah a jigsaw trap. Yeah. Like, like multiple, multiple hours to try like to like get out of this like escape room.
00:07:16
Speaker
Cause you see some of the other, you see some of the, like, there's like a few of the, some of the other traps that you get to see, like, see like, um, like the guy who had like, to get to like the barbed wire trap or like the, like the ah safe, the safe where you, if you, you have to be covered up to burn yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So those guys, it seemed like they were addicts, right? Like they just, they needed to get clean, but they have the worst traps. Like they.
00:07:46
Speaker
it All of them were just basically torture ones, where this one, it didn't seem like it was a torture one, it was just more like a sacrifice your foot. like Compared to all the other traps that happened in the series, this is the easiest one. Yeah, like like the guy who goes through the barbed wire, I guess he was like... Somehow Jigsaw knew that he was like trying to kill himself with a razor, and he's like, you wanna cut yourself? Cut yourself to this maze!
00:08:14
Speaker
But even even that guy, he had like two hours to get through the maze. I feel like if you if you were careful, like fast but careful, you could have probably got through it. But he like freaked out and just like ran through it. Was that also poison or just? and No, he wasn't it was just like, no, you said that you just like you have two hours to get to get through this barbed wire maze and or and then the door locks and you're trapped in here forever.
00:08:37
Speaker
I mean, he did, but then the police got to him. So the police got in there, so you're not really trapped in there forever. I guess if you're coming from the outside, you can get in. And then there was like a... Oh no, John had the peephole and the safe trap one. That was just like, I don't even know where you start with the safe one. There's like a million numbers on the wall, you have to figure out what the combination is for those numbers.
00:09:07
Speaker
No, that one's gonna be a fuck around one. Yeah, that one just seems like, um I just give up on that. That one just seems unwinnable. And obviously the biggest one besides the main bathroom trap is Amanda in the Roost Bear trap.
00:09:27
Speaker
Which, killing a, I guess a disabled, like paralyzed person for the key in them. I mean, she did it. Yeah. so Yeah. What did that other guy do? Like, there's, there's a lot of like, you find out later on that like, you know, John ah has like a very specific like idea of like why these people are and in these traps. But then a lot of people in these like traps in the first movie are just like, it just seems like really random or just like they didn't really do that. Anything too crazy. Like, like, yeah, like the guy, like the Mark, the guy in the barbed wire trap was is like,
00:10:03
Speaker
Oh, you want to cut yourself? And then I don't even know what the guy in the safe did. Like, I think there's like a mention of like, he has some sort of acts. Like James feels like you'll burn people like your act did. Like, so was he a magician or something? Like what's. What was his like crime? Yeah. Yeah. Obviously Amanda is a addict, but then also we find out later on that she like caused like Jill Kramer's miscarriage. But Yeah, the other guy in that the other guy in like Amanda's trap is like some random dude.
00:10:41
Speaker
Oh, and also, like there's a guy in, let the is this like me, like, like, Josh is testing a trap on in his workshop? Oh, yeah, it's the guy that's like the drill head. Yeah, who just lays a random dude. He's like, you're you're're serving a higher purpose. You're a test subject. It's like, what just get to this guy off the street, and he's just like,
00:11:04
Speaker
Cause like you see him testing the first bear trap on just like out a dummy, but he yes yes says this is a like an actual guy. Yeah, he didn't have a game. He literally was just like some guy sitting in a chair. It it was literally just a test for like a future possible game.
00:11:23
Speaker
And also like, and also like Zepp seems like... Why was he in a game? It seems like Zep should have been like an a like seems like he should have been like and like like one of the first like ah you know disciples or assistants to Jigsaw because he was like like friendly to him in the hospital. like He took the time to know his name and everything. But then Josh is like, yeahre I'm poisoning you you. You're playing your own game. Maybe Zep was secretly like a bad guy, but we never know. There's a lot of information about Zep.
00:11:52
Speaker
No. yeah cause The only thing we see of of him before is like, when we get the flashback to like, uh, Dr. Gordon's like talking about John's like tumor. And he's just talking about like the patient has an inoperable brain tumor. And he's like, his name's John. He's very interesting.
00:12:10
Speaker
And then John's like, thank you for the compliment, Zep. I'm poisoning you. You're per youre you're the kid that Dr. Gordon's family and kill them. Yeah. yeah
00:12:22
Speaker
Uh, I mean, you got to use what you know, use who's around you and you're going to start your, your crazy solid traps.
Character Analysis and Themes
00:12:30
Speaker
Uh, it doesn't make sense because like, it seemed like as soon as you realize like, Hey, there's a lot of people that go missing around John, we should probably look into that. Oh, apparently, um, I don't think I, don't I didn't notice this this time either, but like, apparently like,
00:12:49
Speaker
In front of John, like when he's in like his hospital bed, there's just drawings of the reverse bear trap. Was there? So he's he's just like he's like planning like his like traps in the hospital, like drawing making drawings of them. Which I guess that's like it sort of like a ah hint if you like watch it. like If you catch it the first time, or if you catch it like the second time, that's an Easter egg hint of, oh, John's the killer. John's Jigsaw. Yeah, I didn't know that.
00:13:16
Speaker
it I mean, granted, I guess they're not releasing to the news the kind of traps, so it's like no one's gonna be like, hey, do you remember seeing that?
00:13:28
Speaker
Realistically, if someone just drew a crazy drawing, it's like, okay, but then you see that drawing happen like, oh, wait a minute. This guy's really into medieval torture devices. But then some of it's like ridiculous, like the drill chairs, like that's not even like a clever thing, you know?
00:13:45
Speaker
i like and I like that like like ah like Ken Leung is like ah is like playing along with it for a little bit and he just so just shoots the both he shoots both drills.
00:13:57
Speaker
I stopped your trap, that stuff. You didn't expect someone to have a gun. Yeah, apparently a lot of these traps can be solved if you have a weapon. Yeah.
00:14:11
Speaker
Oh, and one thing about that drill scene too, which I double checked because I was like curious about when this came out compared to like Assassin's Creed. Assassin's Creed came out like three years after this movie. So did they rip off like the like knife blade from Zoth? Oh, no. The knife blade's like, oh. That's like an ancient like kind of weapon thing. Yeah, I've seen like other ones. It's like usually on top of the hand or like underneath.
00:14:36
Speaker
but you know knife hidden blades are like a thing yeah they're not as precise you know like you as you could tell someone's got a hidden blade that's they wearing like a long sleeve thing but yeah John Kramer has that like one time never uses it again no yeah um I don't think he ever does he have ever like directly attack anyone ever again serious I don't think he does well his cancer gets too aggressive but yeah it's like he's spryly for this was weird because like you see him like he comes into his workshop and he's kind of like struggling to get up the stairs stuff but then yeah he's like able to just like it do that the the crazy like a sense of screen kill on uh or attempted to kill on uh Danny Glover we talk about Danny I forget Danny Glover's in this movie I think everyone forgets Danny Glover's in this series which was he the biggest was he giving his name in this movie at the time
00:15:32
Speaker
like so I mean Kerry Elway's I think people like also knew so I think it was like probably between him and Danny Glover those they they're probably the two biggest names Doesn't it feel that Danny Glover is just like kind of underutilized in this movie Well, I guess um but I guess the trivia is that on IDB is that he filmed all the scenes two days It makes sense
00:15:59
Speaker
He never goes anywhere like besides the ah the police office, his crazy person apartment, a warehouse, and then like and another apartment. Well, he sort of gets shot. His his is like hotel room or or like apartment, whatever he's in, is like so insane. it's like ah It's like a Charlie Day circular wall. It's like, look, here's all the jigsaw stuff.
00:16:28
Speaker
it is weird especially when you look at like everyone in this city lives in a shit apartment except for like dr gordon oh man every yeah every building in the city is just like a rundown disgusting mess like the parking garages the hotels like yeah like adam's apartment like it's just ah it's all just like crumbling brick and like it's just grimy and disgusting i'm just wondering like is this place like, it's like slowly decaying. It's like we're actually in a post-apocalyptic future and it's just the city is like Mad Max. We didn't realize it's like crumbling into chaos. Oh yeah, I think we we were we were talking about where we started recording, but like it it it feels like it's like it's like ah it's like Gotham or something, where it's just like the city is overrun by like crime and like it's this horrific. Yep. Makes sense if you if you say that this is a city that basically is
00:17:27
Speaker
recovering from some sort of crisis. Because it seems like the police don't do anything. The the people who are solving these crimes are like, are like trying to PC out of the murder or like the journalists, like, you know, posting all this information. And the public isn't that worried, right? There's no like news reports where it's like, Oh, hey, on the the news about the jigsaw killer, like nothing.
00:17:53
Speaker
Yeah, because you think you think everyone would be freaking out by like, oh, is he gonna like, take a kid at me and like, put me in a trap? like
00:18:02
Speaker
Because people probably don't even know like, like you have no idea why these people are getting put in traps. Yeah, it's true. There's, you know, there's no morality thing or or people was they are the public just like the poach is like, is like just seeing like all these, all these like random people are just like these like insane traps and dying. So it's just like,
00:18:22
Speaker
think there Yeah, there's people who do crazy panic going on, and or like just like curfew, or like... It's probably you don't... Well, you don't see any outside scenes because they couldn't afford the outside scenes, but... If you had, I'm sure it would be like up in the streets. Yeah.
Filmmaking and Style
00:18:41
Speaker
It is pretty clever of how limited of a budget they were able to make this, like tell a story. and Especially when you realize that basically um they probably repurposed three or four buildings to be different things at times. The garage is probably another solid like room that they set up and then they set that up and then it's probably like the bathroom of like another shot. Yeah, I think I think it's um like, I think they fight it's I'm sure it's probably some sort of like industrial area that just like
00:19:14
Speaker
we're able to ship some cheap ends. And he's like one building of this like industrial like warehouse or something. And it's like, this is the like this this like room is the parking garage. It's like, clearly not a parking garage. It's got some sort of weird, like a building. You can see like the like the triangle roof of the building like of the building and there's like no way like a car could like leave that building. Yeah, yeah. It's just like,
00:19:42
Speaker
whoever they knew to have like a bit of space. Which is like the spirit of how indie and I guess fringe filmmaking was like, nowadays if you make a move like this, it just goes straight to the DVD or barely streaming. This would have been a Shutter exclusive. Introducing Saw, only on Shutter. Well, I mean, Terrifier, Terrifiers are like super low budget.
00:20:12
Speaker
That's true, but he walks around and terrifies people in their house. He's never not terrifying somebody. But I think the newest terrifier would cost like $2 million, but the first one cost like $35,000, or they only spent like $35,000 in the first one, and their biggest budget, quote unquote, was $2 million. Yeah, that's what I love about horror movies. They can just take whatever shoe shirt budget and turn out great stories and frights.
00:20:41
Speaker
And again, you see salt you see this kind of movie for the just like intense drama and gore. It's not a movie that like everyone has like a very well fleshed out character. It's actually just like you feel this feel like a dread. That's what this movie does well. The series does it well because I think what's solid 10, it's just to make people squirm. It's just to see gross out things.
00:21:10
Speaker
But this movie doesn't have that much gross out. I know the big, big one is the Saw-ing. Yeah. but you are you But you only see like the start of it, and then you don't see it it the rest of it after that. Yeah. I think i think probably the most violent thing is like when Sing gets like but that crazy like shotgun trap, where he hits the tripwire, and then like all there's like five shotguns over the over the hallway. and he goes like It's like his head say gets blown off. You just see his body walk around with like blood pouring out of it.
00:21:39
Speaker
which in other standards, like that would have been shown his head would have exploded like on camera. Yeah. But they held back on that. I mean, Donnie Wolberg got his head like smooshing with big pieces of ice. I mean, yeah, as the series as the series was on, it gets like, it's crazy. We had this first one is definitely not like If you haven't seen it in a while, it's definitely less violent than you think it is. It's a lot more implied violence. Or you just see the aftermath of it. You don't really see the guy crawling through the barbed wire. You just see him hanging there in it. Yeah. I mean, that's the low budgetness that I enjoy. It gets the point across without trying to really lean into it and show you all the gore.
00:22:34
Speaker
Um, a lot, a lot of a lot of the also the uses the camera work and the shaky cam and then the like, I don't know, like the, the basic modern 2000 effects of just like speed up cameras. Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's, it's very early 2000s. Oh yeah.
00:22:54
Speaker
Like, like, this when, like, Amanda's, like, like, um, in, like, the first bear trap, and is there's that scene where it's just, like, it's, like, spinning around her, and but it's just, like, these, like, crazy, frenetic, like, movements.
00:23:07
Speaker
And then, like, so and especially, like, the end, like, the end montage, where it's just, like, flashing, like, the entire movie past you again, basically, like, 30 seconds. Yeah, it's like, oh, you saw this whole movie? How about watching it again? Uh, so, let's go back to the basics.
00:23:24
Speaker
Uh, you want to explain what the plot is, I guess, like the, like you find where these two guys end up. I mean, I feel like everyone knows the preface, but yeah, in case someone doesn't know, um, I mean, yeah, the basic step is that you have Carrie Elwes, who's Dr. Gordon, who is, it's weird, it's weird to ever call him Larry. That doesn't, it just doesn't sound right for people call him, call him Larry. Like it should be like Lawrence or Dr. Gordon. Yeah.
00:23:52
Speaker
And then Lee Whannell himself is playing Adam, who is a photographer, or I guess a private investigator, sort of. like he gets like He says he gets paid to like like you know take pictures of people. so And they're they're locked in the bathroom. They're chained to the pipes. And then they have to figure out like why they're there. and um but does a great job like I really like ah the pacing of like how they like dole out like the clues in this one of like every couple every like five to mid you like you find out there's some new aspect of the game of like oh there's something in in the to in the back of the toilet or there's like this like if it's your lights off there's an X on the wall or there's a phone now yeah ah I do like the escape room things that
00:24:42
Speaker
happen in this it's sort of like everyone's are taking notes and then that this brought the the thrill of like i don't know like investigating your surroundings yeah wouldn't escape rooms become like a big thing because like this guy i feel like this kind of like is like the like perhaps predates like escape rooms a little bit too like or like pre-state like it's like oh man people like be locked in a room try to figure out how to get out i mean that seems that seems like a fun group activity
00:25:13
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, people are associating like escape from the soft traps because essentially it's just like crazy clues and cryptic things. And then you put it together and then it's just like, oh, that's right. The answer is four.
00:25:27
Speaker
ah But watching this movie, I think this movie came out was still in high school. And I just didn't have an interest in it. Just because I was just like, eh, I'll rent it. And I really remember it just trying to avoid all the spoilers at the time, trying to not know. That was like a difficult thing, because people were talking about this movie left and right. Yeah, i don't think i't I didn't really watch them as
Franchise Longevity and Critiques
00:25:55
Speaker
they were coming out. I think I watched them like pretty much at like after like the original 70 came out. if I finally caught up on all of them. I saw three of them in theaters.
00:26:06
Speaker
I was working at the movie theater. I saw like sort like bits of them. i was working like I think I was working at the movie theater for like be like five through seven or fourth four through seven. Because I mean, it was like a they were on like a dead like yearly, it was like an annual release. It was like every year it was a Saw movie. Without fail. Every yeah every October. It's all October.
00:26:36
Speaker
I'm surprised they didn't really make it a drink or something based on Saw. The jigsaw. The jigsaw. ah
00:26:49
Speaker
Oh yeah, what one thing I noticed right away and like in this movie that I don't know if it's like, if anyone would like like have him like be able to stop it, but the key goes on the drain, like like the first thing. Anyway, wakes up.
00:27:05
Speaker
like Was there any way he could have gotten that key? like cause like Because at the end was like, the key was in the bathtub. How would you know that? Yeah. I don't know if it was a way to fish it out. Because I think it was like it looked like it was the chain to like the drain was like tied to his foot maybe or something or somehow like attached to him. And then when he moved, like it pulled the drain out and drained the bathtub.
00:27:32
Speaker
And then the key moves on the drain. It's like, that seems like, like you're just like, right off the bat, you're just like condemning him to like fail the game. Well, okay. So we want to go based on the principle of it because he failed it in unconscious in the beginning. John would have gotten up and be like, all right, disqualified. Like the guy in jigsaw. Yeah. Like, doesn't that make sense?
00:27:59
Speaker
Yeah. Also, what did you think? um it's kind I was thinking about rewatching again recently, they just now, but like um because Adam is like a like but on his tape, Jigsaw's like, you're a voyeur. Well, what happens when you someone else watches your death? And then it's like, would you think his trap wouldn't be locked in the bathroom? like it would be some sort of like It'd be like the thing from Saw X with the eyeball sucker.
00:28:27
Speaker
like It's something with like his eyes or something. It's like, oh, you watched people. Now you have to like but give up the thing that you used to so cause harm. I get what you mean. It wouldn't be um wouldn't be something like, I guess, you get to live, but it's horrific. It's not like super life or death.
00:28:54
Speaker
it's it's that It's not as thematic as like future traps. If Adam got captured later, it would be definitely be some sort of... You know you have to mutilate your own eyes to get out of this trap or something. or they like You have to look through this camera, but the camera is like has like a bullet in it or something. Some sort of camera trap or something.
00:29:19
Speaker
But I guess that's the whole point. The whole thing is like he was taking pictures of Gordon and then they're like tied together and then they're supposed to figure out like their connection, I guess, or something. Because when like when Dr. Gore gets the first call, like like ah Zep forces what to tell him, like don't believe Adam's lies. he's He knows you.
00:29:45
Speaker
But then this is like the weird reveal that Tap, like, did he leverage the one paying Adam to take pictures? It wasn't, it had nothing to do with Jigsaw or Zeph.
00:29:59
Speaker
What was it? Like, because Tap, because Tap became obsessed with thinking that Dr. Gordon was was Jigsaw, even though, like, he had a clear alibi that he wasn't Jigsaw, but then, like, Tap's like, it it's him, I'm gonna get him, I'm gonna get Dr. Gordon. So he was paying Adam to, like, take pictures of Dr. Gordon to get proof that he was Jigsaw.
00:30:21
Speaker
kind of forgot that like it's because like you get higher adam for anything yeah he's just he's like a scummy pi like paparazzi guy yeah yeah i do like the misdirect if you're really paying attention closely to the drama and your first time you don't know who's really betraying who i do enjoy that it's it's hard now that you know everything from the echo and it does spoil it a bit but then it just gets out of control
00:30:52
Speaker
but for first movie, I like how it's very slow burn. It's got like a very fixed amount of cat characters to follow. It's, it's, you know, like there's no surprise third character, even though John Kramer kind of feels like that, but it's, if you're paying attention, it makes sense that he's not.
00:31:15
Speaker
Yeah. There's i wish there was more of him, like to more, more of a buildup. Yeah, they they really high Tobin Bell. like like you You don't even see him in like like like the but he's in like the workshop. like You don't even see his face. like They could be like like anybody. because you're You're really trying to hide the like who who actually is the jigsaw killer. I don't think he's credited on the poster. rate thing it's like they really like We're hiding like, oh, this Tobin Bell guy is this movie, too. But you might have seen him in some things. like
00:31:50
Speaker
But and yeahs it's all about it's all about that like ah the the big reveal at the end. Which apparently, I feel like Tobin Bell actually like like lay there at the entire time when they were shooting the the bathroom scenes. like It wasn't like a dummy or anything. he's like he was actually He was actually him just like laying there on the floor. That's like and hours. That's like dedication. I wonder if you like fell asleep and then like, all right, we'll just film around him.
Twists and Moral Lessons
00:32:17
Speaker
like its It's like, you good, Tobin? He's like, yep.
00:32:25
Speaker
Oh, okay. To be fair, there's a lot of scenes where you don't see the middle of the room that he probably is just not in frame. Yeah. What I've been different of the story is like even the cast, you know, he was like, you know, that was a real fake. Oh my God. Yeah. If you're in shock, the big stand up moment, it's like, it's like this guy, this thing you thought was dummy. It's actually a guy. It's the star of the franchise.
00:32:57
Speaker
Also, it's, um, it's crazy that, uh, like Dina Meyers in like, like basically one scene. Yes, I forgot. like I forgot that. Yeah, I forgot. She's even, issue I thought she was like later on, like three or four, but she's in the first one and then just like disappears for like two movies. Well, she shows up in two. yeah Oh yeah. because Yeah. because She's on like Danny Walberg is like SWAT team or something.
00:33:28
Speaker
And then, and then I think she's, she's in the ah like unwinnable game. Like what was Amanda's game that like was on a wittable. We're just like, rip your chest open. Yep.
00:33:44
Speaker
And so she had to get the secret tests of like keeping someone alive. I do, I do like, there's like the hints of Amanda being like an apprentice because she's like, he helped me.
00:34:00
Speaker
When she's in her interrogation, it's like, you were an addict. And he's like, yeah. And then she's like, yeah, he helped me. But the way she says it, it's like, OK, no, we should probably watch out for her. You just can't say that about some crazy. ah for A guy who put you in an adverse bear trap, and before she like digs through some like other guy's stomach to like get a key.
00:34:31
Speaker
She was like, yeah, it was a fun experience. I'm saved. I don't want any drugs anymore.
00:34:41
Speaker
Also, we're going to go to Mexico and kill a bunch of evil pharmaceutical guys. That happens right after this one, right? Yeah, literally after this, I think John is now in the timeline of John finds out about that experiment, like experimental treatment, and then it's like the whole scam thing.
00:35:04
Speaker
And we find out, obviously, in the final chapter that he helped Dr. Gordon give him a press like foot and then made him super secret apprentice. But he's not the super, super secret apprentice. He's the backup. He's the fail safe. If anything ever happened to Jill Kramer, he gets activated like a sleeper agent. But he's not also the other agent that is a fake agent in Spyro.
00:35:36
Speaker
That's just another guy. that's That was just a copycat jigsaw guy who uses like, it's only like differences. like I'm going to make a, I'm going to use a high pitched voice modulator. And my my my ah topic's going to be a police pig. So, so sharp satire. Yeah. Yeah. I like how restraint they are.
00:36:03
Speaker
Like, I mean, I don't think that was like on purpose, I think just because of like budget issues. But yeah, they don't. the The symbolism is all that. It's very minimal. You can look deeper to see if there's any like. I don't know, deeper meaning to solve, but not according to the first movie. Personally, we're just like, hey, don't be a bad person or you don't get into salt traps. Well, I do. I i do. I do like all the like i iconography is in this movie the first one, like Billy's in it.
00:36:31
Speaker
the pig mask is in it, you know, all the, all the catch phrases like live or die choose. And that's true. like I want to play a game game over. Like they found their like shrank pretty early in this one. Yeah. It wasn't like they somehow figured out like everything like, like Billy shows up the second one and then it's like, Oh, now are you start using pig mask things though.
00:36:55
Speaker
the rule stuff is weird like like we said the big as soon as they start the game Adam lost pretty much yeah and then did jigsaw intent for Gordon to win the game or sort of like get out of the room because that seemed like an accident I think the entire ending is like a weird, it's just like, like, did not go to according to plan because it's like, cause they, they, they pass the time, they pass the timeframe and then like zep, zep person to the room and they, you know, they fight seven, kill him. And then, uh, John's like, all right, I'm getting, I gotta get up and like, all right, Adam, you lost you your loser. like Game over. Yeah.
00:37:47
Speaker
I think yeah think it's just like ah just the fact that that the bathroom game is so long. like all the All the other like games we see like i think and like are like you know there it's you have ah like a very short time frame and you're strapped to some sort of mechanism or something. And this one just being an escape room just makes it seem like the rules are a lot more like vague. It's just like Dr. Gordon has to kill Adam.
00:38:12
Speaker
before six o'clock and then Adam needs to just escape, I guess. I don't think Adam ever gets a goal to achieve.
00:38:27
Speaker
No. Because on his tape, his tape is just like, you're a voyeur. You're watching people. Now we're going to watch. Now I'm watching you click. that's it it's like But then like Gordon's getting all like he you gets the secret note about like the cigarettes. He gets like the phone calls. He gets ah like um like his tape says kill Adam specifically.
00:38:53
Speaker
Yeah. So if Gordon killed him, then what? Then yeah I guess I guess like game over and then ah yeah maybe jo I guess John would get up and be like, congratulations, you win. You win.
00:39:11
Speaker
Yeah, because I just have an issue with, um you know, I think we always saw every song movie we talk about, I always think about like how it goes wrong and then then he has to be like, oh, shit, like I didn't plan for this. Mm hmm.
00:39:23
Speaker
But yeah, he would have just literally like if he somehow managed to poison Adam or shoot him or saw his own foot off and then waddled over to Adam and killed him. Like I don't know. Was that was that the plan? I think I think if Gordon somehow managed to kill Adam without sawing his own foot off, then he would have won. And then Jigsaw would be like, here you go. You're you're free. and Did you learn anything? It's like, no.
00:39:54
Speaker
but You learned to appreciate your family, I guess is like learned to not cheat on your wife. Yeah. I like how I guess Gordon in this one is is supposed to be like a cereal cheater or a gigolo. I don't know like why he cheats even weed like even he doesn't know. You notice that it's like some random Asian woman who we never see again. Well, it's one of his medical students. Oh, because she's in like the she's she's in the scene with ah like when he's talking about John's like tumors and she's like giving like a very flirty smile. You paid a lot. You paid more attention to me this time. I mean, because I've seen this movie so many times, I just remember the highlights. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I just forgot. I thought I was like some random woman. Yeah, it's it's it's a way to do it. They get like the phone call at the hotel, which ah was that i think it was I think it was Adam calling them or something. or like
00:40:51
Speaker
Cause he's like, cause it didn't sound like Zepp or John. It sounded like Adam. I was like, I'm watching you. I know what you're doing. Like cut that shit out.
00:41:05
Speaker
I like how you never tear serious. Like we never see, uh, well, we don't really see Gordon again, but like we don't, we would never hear anything about his family ever again either. Yeah. Well, once you go through a saw like thing, I think it just ruins your marriage.
00:41:24
Speaker
That should have been the crazy like that should have been the crazy you like reveal at the end of the final chapter, where it's like the Tyler Gordon family is now like apprentices.
00:41:34
Speaker
like like Because he's got those two other like um like got people in the pig mass, and we never know find out who they are. um I think they're they're implied to be the guys from that first part of that movie. Oh, in the final chapter, yeah. Which now we know is not really the final chapter.
00:41:53
Speaker
Well, i mean I mean, I think it it is for like the main series. I think Spiral takes place after Final Chapter, but it has nothing to do with like anything Saw-related. It's like like it's a copycat. And then obviously Jigsaw is a prequel, and then Saw acts as the interquel between Saw 1 and 2. I kind of want to see them like add more and then just start with a whole new Jigsaw and then have it be Gordon.
00:42:20
Speaker
It's like too good if it was, you know, like that, that makes too good of a sense for the harm of to have like a next gen that doesn't, that doesn't make it seem like it's a Michael Myers or Jason, you know, I can't name too many movies that go this long.
Future Speculations and Adaptations
00:42:35
Speaker
And then the main bad guy doesn't need to be the same person. Like it's as long as it's just like, it's part of the Kramer cult. I'm fine.
00:42:47
Speaker
You know, it makes me think of, do you remember the, the TV series, the following, the Kevin Baker show? Yeah. Yeah. And it was like all these sleeper agents got activated and did their own little crazy thing about like something. Uh, cause Kramer wanted to start a cult, but he only started like a five person team, I guess.
00:43:12
Speaker
Well, he had, so he had Amanda. He had Dr. Gordon helping him with like surgery stuff. He had Hoffman. He had, um,
00:43:26
Speaker
I Jill sort of, but like only for like like, only if like certain, certain specific, like, like like circumstances occurred. It's like, if this happens, open this envelope.
00:43:39
Speaker
ah vanng
00:43:46
Speaker
Yeah, I think that, yeah, think but gets those are all the apprentices, right? There was that ah guy from Jigsaw that I don't think we ever, that we never see again. He's never appeared in any other, because obviously that was like, that was shot after all these other ones, but like they never like integrated him into like any of the other movies. It was just like this like lost apprentice that was in the Jigsaw. I would like that if there was a like apprentice fight again, where it's like all these like,
00:44:16
Speaker
old apprentice, new apprentice, like, you know, John Kramer didn't just train these guys first. Like there's a whole bunch of them that like, they never got to that level.
00:44:29
Speaker
But yeah, the first movie doesn't really delve into that. It's very basic. And, and again, it's supposed to be like this mythos that he's been doing it for such a long time. And it seems like he just been doing it. But Um, the Zeb, uh, McGuffin interesting choice just because in a director DVD movie style, that would have been it. It wouldn't have time to have the true reveal at the end. It would have just been straight up like that's your villain. And perfect perfect casting of Michael Emerson, who's always a creepy guy. Oh yeah. Big eyes, big eyes that even with or without, uh, eyeglasses just dead stare.
00:45:09
Speaker
it's it's It's funny that there's like two future lost people in this, like, because Ken Leung and Michael Amherster were both something like lost within like two years of this.
00:45:19
Speaker
I do like that it's a different type of character. He's like way more physical in this movie. Mm hmm. He's more of a nerd guy. Yeah, his his in um taps, like just awkward, like shootout slash cartridge. So that's funny. Oh, my God. yeah arch
00:45:40
Speaker
And then and they like yeah then she's tapping like leaves her for dead, but then are the games canon? Like is the one game Tap stars in canon or not? It is because essentially Tap can sacrifice himself and get killed to let Sing's wife um live or he lets Sing's wife get killed and then from the guilt of like crazy failing Sing he killed himself.
00:46:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's like it ties in I do like it between saw one and two it does make sense of like why there's a between Little side adventure even though like the video game makes it's it's a crazy like how did he have time to rent out all this build all these traps like mm-hmm I Enjoy this all games. They're like dumb, but I like them but They're funny because they they take like like super innocuous like like puzzles you see in other games like a sliding like a sliding puzzle or something and then it's like putting like the like the crazy gory grotesque like saw universe so like if you don't if you don't solve the sliding puzzle this woman's gonna get like shot up by saw blades like yeah if you don't you'll he'll figure out this like a number cipher
00:46:56
Speaker
I'm surprised they didn't have, like, that thing where, like, a pipe dream, where it's, like, a little liquid coming down the pipe. But it's acid, yeah. Yeah. You have to assemble these pipes. If you don't assemble it fast enough, acid will spill on this person to kill them. Well, the one problem with a video game with solid traps is that it gets repetitive. So you just feel that John Kramer just got, like, you got a board, or he got, like, lazy. You just said, all right, same thing, same room.
00:47:23
Speaker
Well, there's I remember like a giant bomb back then they did like a quick look on it and there's a great point of of like the whole point of Saw movies that we want to see the traps go off because that's the but like the best part of the movies is like just see like all the crazy like traps and like gore effects but in the game you're trying to prevent them so it's like it's like the complete opposite of what you want like actually want to see like in a Saw thing. That's true, right? Almost all the traps happen but in the movie like they always go off.
00:47:53
Speaker
because you wanna see a trap not Cause the only time you can see it, like if in the game, you have to like deliberately fail the traps to see them go off and to see like a cool like, you know, kills. But then if you, if you succeed, like the person that gets out of it, you're just like, Oh, okay. like they're They're safe now.
00:48:13
Speaker
So like half the appeal of like the soft franchise is like lost in the game.
00:48:25
Speaker
and and i don't think I think I played a little bit the first one. I never played the second one. and Yeah, I haven't played the second one. I just watched some videos of it. like I beat the first one. I like rented that, beat that in like a weekend. Good weekend game. But the second one, like those games went up in price. Like they're like easily like $90 now on like 360 or PS3.
00:48:52
Speaker
I don't think there's ever like they're ever gonna like remaster them or anything. The demand is just like me. let let me run games get get the ah the saw right guys I mean like the the thing games coming back so I mean I think guess anything could go back. But that was slightly more popular. Yeah.
00:49:21
Speaker
But yeah, we told yeah that that whole the the whole finale is kind of like, like i'm glad I'm glad the movies haven't really, they really like tried, they didn't they kind of like got away from that of like um a big like action-y kind of like finale. it It doesn't work that well. Like it's the Angular versus Zepp, like the shootout is awkward, the fight, then the the car chase where apparently they didn't actually drive cars. They just like kind of like had like camera effects going and then they like like bouncing the cars so it looks like they were driving around.
00:49:56
Speaker
That's the best they could do. So we we can't afford but we can't afford to scratch these cars like it's like have someone in the back like like pushing the truck down so it looks like the car's moving. And it almost looks like it's the same car.
00:50:12
Speaker
fight like There's like three cars in the parking lot the quotequote parking garage. I'm sure those are probably the three cars they had ah available to use. It's probably James Wan's car, Lee Whannell's car, and then someone else's car.
00:50:30
Speaker
It's like, can we can't smash our own cars. That's my office.
00:50:40
Speaker
But yeah, they they got away they got away from that and then they just like they started doing like the yo the yeah the the reveal montages. Yeah. And plus the sets got bigger. Like the traps were basically you could see like big four corners of the room.
Franchise Evolution and Anticipation
00:50:58
Speaker
And then, you know, then it kind of the traps became more um gruesome, like way more like you usually lost like a limb or like you bled a lot.
00:51:10
Speaker
It really upped it, where this one, I feel like, could if they just stop panicking, if they just start sawing through the block, what if they've been done in like four hours? Well, i think I think the whole thing is the chain's too strong for that type of saw. Ah. Like M saw broke when he was trying to saw through his chain, so. But he also saw like a madman, so I don't know. Yeah. That's also like a thing.
00:51:41
Speaker
if i um i wonder if like I wonder if John blunted them enough so they could still cut through skin, and but they would know where they cut through metal if there were two blunts to do it. Yeah, they like dulled the blade by just keep doing the chain, and then it's like, all right, now we got to cut off a foot, and that's almost too smooth.
00:52:02
Speaker
Yeah, all yeah all all the later traps is like you have to sacrifice something of your so you have to sacrifice write something of your body to like get out of it. it's you It's like it's ah it's something that thematically related to like what you did in John's eyes like exploding from cra Would have been like semen for all the cheating he's doing well wasn't didn't they reveal later on like that like job put him in the trap because if something were like it's like oh your your brain tumors inoperable or like it like if something relates like like
00:52:35
Speaker
He was like Calistim about his like cancer or something or like it was something more about that. It's like, oh, you you like. Or was it was it was a fake diagnosis or something or like the diagnosis was wrong or something or that was the other guy. Yeah, the other Jigsaw movie where he misread the screening and he because it's like he was hot shot. He didn't own up to his mistake. Gordon's thing was I think he just didn't care enough about his patients. I think, yeah. Cause they definitely get into something, there's something, there's like more, there's more reasoning to like why Dr. Gordon was in the trap. Well, it's, it's very weak compared to everyone else. It's like Gordon, Gordon was taking care of him. He just, he wasn't doing the best service. His first doctor just like misread the scan. So he could have prevented the ah cancer from spreading earlier.
00:53:35
Speaker
And then I always think about the insurance guy that was just like, he didn't want to pay.
00:53:42
Speaker
Yeah. And then, well, definitely in this year, like around like five or six, like John is like, like he's really stretching to figure out like how, like, like it's, it's like the people that like own that building that burned out or ever. That was the insurance one. Yeah.
00:54:01
Speaker
But then there was like, remember, there's like the guy who was like, his, his like sin was that he's a smoker. He's like, you smoke, now you're gonna feel how your lungs, now you had to sacrifice your lungs to get out of this trap. Was that in the same one with the building? I think like that was breathing. Yeah, I think that was like the insurance guy had to decide it's like, are you gonna like, this, this guy who like smoked in like,
00:54:26
Speaker
yeah Like like ah destroy his own lungs or this other person? Like who who deserves to live? What was himself? It's like as long as like you can out like hold your breath and your core pressure from the other guy. But the other guy had the disadvantage of being a smoker for so long. Yeah. That was also weird because it's like those guys didn't do anything wrong. They were just there. No. Yeah. But I think they all work for the same insurance company. So you're guilty by association. That's like at least sort of makes sense.
00:54:57
Speaker
But yeah, no, I don't know like if they just conveniently had like nothing. So it's like, OK, well, it's you versus like you know the janitor. What did the janitor do? Oh, no. is it was Five was the one where there was an arson fire, and then like a bunch like everyone who was in the trap like covered it up. OK, see? It had nothing it had like nothing to do with Jon. He just read about it, apparently. He was like, this is this is terrible. I'm going to get all these guys.
00:55:28
Speaker
Cause like, cause everything is like, you know, tied to him, like, you know, his insurance, yeah, the insurance guy that like rejected his claim and, you know, the people that like, uh, we're trying to go after him and, ah but then it's like soft five. It's like a bunch of people like let they let Billy bird down that I read about in the paper.
00:55:54
Speaker
I got, I got a perfect set of traps for them. Yeah. He must like keep scouting for all you like things. And then he's like, all right, I can't wait to build a karmat, a karmatic trap for these people. Mm hmm. Though, but by all 10, him getting tricked at the center was interesting. And then he killed the whole like team of those scammers. Well, so Saw 10 was interesting, too, because like those people were like so like they were so clearly like evil bad guys.
00:56:27
Speaker
It's like John was like justified basically in like his like like taking him down. Yeah.
00:56:37
Speaker
Uh, principles are weird. I'm going to take it on my cancer doctor or take it out on like Mexican, like cancer scammers. Yeah. Cause a bunch of people that hit like in like layer movies were like, they were doing shady things, but like like the scammers, like actually harming people.
00:56:56
Speaker
And so it's just like, oh, just like an anti-hero now, basically, like he's taking down like evil medical scammers who are like, like giving people false hope and then like draining all their money.
00:57:10
Speaker
which If they ever do another song movie, it should be Saw versus like Tech Bros. Well, I mean, Saw 11 is coming next year or so. Is that confirmed? yeah Oh, yeah. Yeah. but It was supposed to be out. It's supposed to already be out. Like it was supposed to come out like September this year, but they pushed back till next year.
00:57:31
Speaker
The world is ready for another song movie. I mean, yeah, hopefully over they keep up like the momentum from Saw X because that was like the, that was such a like a Brother Fresh air of like Jigsaw and Spiral.
00:57:50
Speaker
like I mean, the first Saw is still really good, but like kind of like in retrospect, like Jigsaw like kind of hurts it a little bit, just because like now you know there was some other... This wasn't the first game, and it's like... Somehow like some others was like this like one game that was like super elaborate with all these crazy... There was a giant blender trap and stuff, and then John just got lazy, I guess, and locked people in the bathroom. Yeah, that's another thing. so He starts out strong in his first attempt but it never reaches that level of I guess like shock in the trap. You know it's not like in another trap he's in the game or like there's a bonus person in there.
00:58:34
Speaker
just like a, hey, you know, what you thought was a safe room is actually like super elaborate. Oh, speaking of which, did you see that part where a detective sing and taps, find the monitor, the miniature of like the future events where they're like, they yeah, they they find the bathroom model where they lay a little Gordon in it. Yeah. I don't think it's just John over to that again.
00:59:01
Speaker
um I don't think he ever makes like little like miniature like things of like the straps. Yeah, he doesn't leave it around either. That was like the, what was that like the CSI like the diorama killer, whatever that was, like the the ongoing like serial killer guy. I don't know if that was like inspired by this or not. Well, I think CSI had been on it for like a couple years before, like this or like the 99 or something. When they get to the diorama, I don't think it's like around the same time as this.
00:59:31
Speaker
The CSI came on like 2000. 2000? 2000. So yeah, like four years into that.
00:59:40
Speaker
I've been around the same time. I feel like they might have copied the CSI. That would have been a weird, like that would have been a weird, like, ongoing thing that you saw. It's just franchise. It's like, just always constantly making these little models. Just sitting there building it. Well, he has to, like, figure out what to do. So he has to start somewhere.
01:00:01
Speaker
Yeah, but think i think i think I think later on he's like, you know, he has like, like, you know, just like schematics and like engineering stuff. He doesn't like little like dollhouse like models of like the room.
01:00:15
Speaker
It's also it's also not like not like one room really anymore. After this, it's like, you know, it's the whole house and two and then it's, you know, multiple rooms and multiple traps and all the all other movies. Yeah, maybe just couldn't spend the money on the budget to diorama all that.
01:00:31
Speaker
He's like a giant like like Doc Brown back the future says it's giant table-sized diagram It's like so here here. it I mean those like they look this like this is where we're gonna put this trap and then I'm gonna have the ah acid sprayers in this trap but you like hot lava in this one and Then like freezing temperature liquids in this one, this is the merry-go-round Yeah, fine. Yeah, find me a merry-go-round that I could turn into a like a ah like a shooting gallery. Yes. If you remember in the first two movies, at least there's a lot of like Bob wires and then like mannequins. It's like the aesthetics of everything in like this series is always like a surplus of Bob wire stuff and mannequins. Well, I mean, the Twisted Pictures logo is like getting it it's like caught a barbed wire and like swept around.
01:01:31
Speaker
And yeah, like, yeah, the needles and the second one, which is, I think it's still probably the like, just like, he, me, GB wise, is like the worst one. Oh yeah.
01:01:44
Speaker
All right. Uh, anything about this movie we could talk about? Cause again, we saw one very focused, very tight. um if they never did another one i think it would have been like a very classical like horror movie for the generation but i feel like it just it needed like more it needed more of a fleshed out lore and like i'm happy that there's more of them because i used to watch like a whole bunch of these around halloween needs to be like one one day one one song movie a week until one i think one year i watched like
01:02:17
Speaker
all seven of that some i just like throw it on tv for like the whole morning till the evening a late night well you definitely you definitely need the sequels to you know have at least have more tome and bell just because like we we talked we mentioned like he's barely like he's barely in this i mean he's in it but he's like lying on the ground like motionless for like the entire movie so i mean two uh two is really when you get like jigsaw jigsaw you get to see like you'll see like what his like personality is and I actually see, like, Toe and Bell, like, do things. Yeah, I do, like, two a lot more than one.
01:02:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, two does what, like, what, like, you know, a lot of good sequels should do, which is, like, you know, take a work and the first one is, like, amp it up. And it's got, it's got, like, the cool, like, you know, side game twist and, you know, John Plank his game and then, you know, the reveal of Mandel and all that stuff, so.
01:03:17
Speaker
yeah the first But yeah, the first one is still like a a very solid like horror thriller. It's much more a thriller than the other movies in the series.
01:03:30
Speaker
And i really I really like the just kind of like kind of slow reveal of like the the escape room thing of it where all the clues kind of like soly get revealed and you get more new elements of the room the bathroom like open up. Yeah, I do. like It's like you you overlook the clues and then the cryptic clues become clear. um They sort of did them this one, but it's really like simple.
01:03:56
Speaker
Even though in the beginning they said, everything you need is in this room, like your clues. And it's just like, it wasn't. Well, I mean, yeah, it devolves at the end of like, oh, this random like this random event actually is like, it causes the end of the game. and
01:04:18
Speaker
yeah oh yeah But yeah, it sets up the aesthetics of the the Saw franchise, all the, you know, famous parts of it are are in this first one the Billy puppet the pig masks all the catchphrases so it's it's ah it's a really strong like they really they really came out of the gate and were like ah established like a strong like this is what saw is and they they just like went up from there to make it more and more crazy and I'm definitely looking forward to saw 11 and hopefully there'll be and another solid entry
01:04:56
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So yes, that'll do it for this week. And they'll wrap up our you know our month of spooky Halloween episodes. We'll be back next week with a ah probably a regular so sort of regular action movie or other movie. I think we're so trying to figure out what we're going to do for next month, but stay tuned. We'll be headed up soon. and And head over to site, we got all of our usual stuff out there. We got ah news, reviews, trailers. I got a review of Venom The Last Dance, the ah messy, rushed feeling, final entry in the Venom trilogy.
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Where, you know, Sony's things they can, I guess, make ah a team up movie like The Avengers. but But I don't know how they're gonna do that, or how they think they're gonna last that long to get to that point.
01:05:42
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And I think we're going to have our Game Box 2.0 up soon. we You can check out the games we played for October and a bunch of other stuff going up as well to check all the stuff out. And yeah, so for Chris, I'm Zach and we will see you next week. For more from Everything Action, head to www.everythingaction.com. You can also find us on Facebook at facebook dot.com slash everything dot.action.
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