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Everything Action Commentary: Timecop (1994)
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For the latest Everything Action Commentary, Zach and Chris celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Jean-Claude Van Damme classic, Timecop.
JCVD stars as Max Walker, an agent for the Time Enforcement Commission, the agency that controls time travel. Max uncovers a plot by the sleazy presidential candidate and senator Aaron McComb (Ron Silver) to exploit time travel to fund his presidential campaign and eliminate anyone in his way. While trying to stop McComb, Max realizes he may have a chance to save his wife Melissa (Mia Sara), who was murdered shortly before he joined the TEC. While watching the movie, Zach and Chris try to figure out how the time travel rocket sled works, who the random guy stealing Confederate gold was at the beginning of the movie, depression mullets, Ron Silver's dystopian henchmen, and more.
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Celebrating Time Cop's 30th Anniversary
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello, and welcome to another Everything Action commentary. It's a commentary for September, 2024. I'm your host, Zach. And I'm your co-host, Chris. And this month, we are celebrating the 30th anniversary of an Everything Action favorites, ah the Jean-Claude Vadim classic Time Cop, which came out ah September 16, 1994.
00:00:49
Speaker
And yeah, why we wanted probably one of the best Van Damme movies, I would say for me, probably top three. I mean, Bloodsport's definitely up there. Bloodsport's probably number one, but and this is probably like two or three. I think Kickboxer is mine. Kick, I mean, yeah, I feel like it's like Bloodsport, Kickboxer, Ticock, probably like the two, the three, like top three of Van Dams. Yeah. I mean, hard target. Hard hard target is up definitely up there too, yeah.
00:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, I know. It depends if you're in the mood because it's like if you want Van Damme ass kicking as a martial artist as like it's meta where it's like he is the martial artist of like he trained to be that like a boxer boxer. Those are like perfect. If you're looking for a movie where like Van Damme is he's using kind of ah like random training that is pretty not standard for whatever army or like um enforcement agencies part of. Yeah.
00:01:48
Speaker
Yeah, but like this is that category because Van Damme is the only one who has Van Damme training in his like quad. Yeah. Mm hmm. Well, yeah, his ah his highest grossing movie of all time ah as a lead actor, like it made slightly over $100 million dollars back in 1984.
00:02:06
Speaker
um And yeah, but we'll get we'll get to all all of the, you know, the nonsensical time travel mechanics and can't touch yourself in the past and ah the other all the other great stuff that's in time cup. So if you want to find a copy, it's i mean I think it's like it's on literally like every streaming platform you can possibly think of. I think it's on 2B and Prime Video and Peacock and Fubo and Pluto. So it's not hard to find.
00:02:41
Speaker
um So if you find a copy, we are paused at zero right before the, I think it's the Warner Bros logo because it was a Warner Bros movie. Um, so pause at zero and then, uh, I'm going to count down. We'll get started here. So five, four, three, two, one play.
00:03:15
Speaker
Man, pre-discovery Warner Brothers. Just regular Warner Brothers. When they're owned by another giant conglomerate.
00:03:26
Speaker
I was like, what company was this? Intermedia. It's like the internet.
00:03:37
Speaker
Then another one, Largo Entertainment. We didn't even have a logo. And JVC, jm c the like make sure i'll make sure all the, like, technology's JVC.
00:03:48
Speaker
I don't know if you saw, like, this is a Dark Horse Comics movie.
Origins and Adaptations of Time Cop
00:03:53
Speaker
So this is a comic book movie. I think they just bought the name because I don't know if anything related to... i think i i think I think it's extremely loosely based on the comic. But in terms of saying the word time cop, it's not like it was super original. just I feel like they just stumbled into like two things and it just said, yeah, yeah, before time cop took off, it was like bathroom cop and then like woods cop and then I don't know, like space cop. it You know, it would have landed on space cop at some point.
00:04:26
Speaker
Well, the comics had like there are robots and stuff in it. So there was like robots that went back in time caused like issues and you like a lot of the plot was like he was trying to like stop a guy from like robbing a mind a diamond mine in the 1930s.
00:04:44
Speaker
Interesting concept. But I mean, they kind of play homage to that in the beginning here, where it really is about time manipulation, but it's always by people in the future going back to the past. Yeah.
00:04:58
Speaker
For some reason, it's mostly like future people that can just get time travel a lot easier. Yeah, I think I think there's like, is there like, ah is there opening text or is there just like something where it's like, we have a time travel, but they made it it's still illegal. I think they do. They do explain that or they explain it later when Sam Raimi.
Hyams and Van Damme Collaborations
00:05:21
Speaker
Yeah. They were, he he and Robert Capra were just like producing like everything in the 90s.
00:05:30
Speaker
Yeah, and this is this is the first ah Peter Hyams John Clavadam collaboration. We talked about um the regular podcast Hard Target a month or two ago, um which is their second collaboration. And they did like enemies closer ah like a couple of years ago.
00:05:51
Speaker
Now, you know that the game Darkest of Days, right? Yes. It's basically a time comp.
00:06:32
Speaker
This is already altering history. Like if you think about the butterfly effect. Like these guys were like delayed like a couple seconds or whatever a couple minutes.
00:06:53
Speaker
Just Loki appears at a time stick. yeah
00:07:06
Speaker
Man, future guns sound like lasers. how How did that guy get like time travel like equipment? You'll see you know like the the main villain has like weird plot device like convenience weapons Yeah well the weird thing is that you we find out soon that like the time travel thing is you have to get strapped to like a go-kart and like watch to a wall so it's like Like the bad guys all have to do that. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the only way time travel
00:08:09
Speaker
But what year is this where he's quoting like World War II, like facts?
00:08:21
Speaker
Well, I think it's supposed to be like present day or is it like slightly in the future?
Debating Time Travel Mechanics
00:08:26
Speaker
It has to be in the future. ah No, this has to be know this in the 80s. Oh, because they... 90s? Yeah. I think the the main like the main plot takes place in 1994. Like the present day. Okay, so this is 1994 and then and there's another timeline where it's like... but It's like dark 1984. Yeah.
00:08:58
Speaker
Like how comms explain about like cause and effect, like the government. No,
00:09:12
Speaker
I think this is like 1992. Like earlier. Yeah. yeah And then, cause it's the damn future where it it would be like 2000.
00:09:34
Speaker
It was Ron Silver's very thing about like, real, like, what he say. Yeah. I just like things about it. It's just like, huh, this is awesome.
00:10:15
Speaker
Okay. So like don't approve of the committee because what you're trying to do is make the machine that will send the future. Like, it's like the scientists invented time travel, but then criminals already have it somehow. And they've already got like, cause they're trying to form like a U S government agency that like control it, but it's out of control already because it's too late. Like effects happen. Then just stop at the root. Like he's talking about the consequences.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah. Making the agency is what causes the time travel to happen in the first place.
00:10:51
Speaker
and It's it's not it's like linear. It's not like, OK, we're going to do a a branching like path and do this. It's like it's the same timeline. and least yet this Well, yeah. Well, yeah, the guy the guy went back and sold the gold and then somehow like where they say like millions of terrorists have like gold i got the gold.
00:11:10
Speaker
Yeah, to the Middle East. But the problem is, is that like, because of the criminals doing that, it creates the agency to create time machines. So like, if the criminals never stole the money, they would have it cause the agency to- Because they wouldn't know there's like a ah problem, like a ripple. Yeah. See?
00:11:37
Speaker
but
00:11:48
Speaker
His name is Ferris Bueller. Yeah, he's the size of King of Chicago.
00:12:01
Speaker
Hey, it's vague 1992 Van Dam.
00:12:14
Speaker
Also, yeah, they're, they're having like the time travel agents, like the time travel agency is all like just like normal cops. my two second Like Bruce McGill is like, he was like a captain in like the Washington, like municipal police and then Van Damme is a cop.
00:12:38
Speaker
Oh, it is 1994. Cause there's a new Nissan.
00:12:47
Speaker
I don't think that car doesn't use the car for anything this movie. That's just like a blatant just like random like product placement.
00:12:59
Speaker
Future bad guys. Yeah. It's like it's either 80s pump punks or like 2000 punks. Yeah.
00:13:16
Speaker
That wasn't a kid. That was like a grown man in a ball. This is a Halloween movie. Like they're selling pumpkins. Like, is this like the big place knocked over? I don't know. Let's just keep finding context clues.
00:13:37
Speaker
Again, for for like, I think he's a regular like cop, right? Yeah, that's what they're saying. They're staffing this like highly least experimental time travel. It was just like regular cops. But another thing I want to bring up is that that like but like, I guess the karate stance is not part of the like but police force in this town. He's a cop that also takes more karate lessons after work.
00:14:04
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think they ever explain. He's just like, no, he just he just knows karate. That's it. Man, we're only like 10 minutes in. It's Van Damme button time. Yep.
00:14:23
Speaker
They should have set this to like, oh yeah, from first viewer.
00:14:31
Speaker
I feel like we didn't earn this nudity scene, right? Like this just comes out of nowhere. I do appreciate it, don't get me wrong, but it's... it's ah because you Because you barely know who any of these characters are. Yeah, I just... We didn't know Karate, dude. Yeah, they were just they were like flirting in the mall, and then... For all I know, this isn't a fair. Well, that's their weird like pretending to like we're pretending it's an affair.
00:15:01
Speaker
But we're married. But then twist is they're actually married to someone else.
00:15:36
Speaker
Yeah, so he's so he's not a time cop. Yeah, he's just a regular cop still.
00:15:52
Speaker
Powerful name, Max Walker.
00:16:47
Speaker
Yeah, those guys are like, they're like the Super Mario Brothers. Like, they're like, like, what's their, like, Iggy and, like... Spike? Yeah, Spike, yeah.
00:16:58
Speaker
Run silver in the house?
00:17:02
Speaker
He's either in their house, or he's in the house across the street or something. Oh, he's in the house, yeah. He's in the house. How did he get the house?
Max Walker's Bitterness
00:17:11
Speaker
He was in in the front door.
00:17:17
Speaker
All right, so what is Ron Silver's plan? To create Max, future Max? Well, it must to be like,
00:17:29
Speaker
his future self told him that Max was going to like stop him so that he's trying to kill him before he like could do it well okay in in this in the like first cycle of it why does max he knows he failed like you know like you're yeah for max is like okay we did this once it didn't work let's me go back in time and redo this And you're you're just making him like seek vengeance because you killed his wife now. And it's like... And then when someone beats him later, he's like, huh, all right. You're still here. So this is I get this is like, not part of it's to set up the background of
00:18:16
Speaker
why Van Damme is like bitter. Yeah. But in time travel sense, this is also really because they replay this spoiler. This is different. Like the outcomes are different. Yeah. But it needs to happen at least once to make sense. Mm hmm. Because you got to make you got to make mullet Van Damme. Yeah. You get hard target Van Damme. Mm hmm.
00:18:45
Speaker
That quick cuts like a TV show. Like fade in and all that. And it goes back to basically like the original a high cop TV show.
00:18:58
Speaker
Last time on time. Who was was that? That was it like. Was that Brandon Lee was the second one, right? Not Brandon Lee, but Jason Scott Lee, Jason Scott. Yes. Yeah. Mission to Germany or whatever. Yeah.
00:19:17
Speaker
oh it was TW King was the uh the guy who started the TV show that ran for nine episodes oh shit there really wasn't up a TV show yeah there was a TV show then the sequel movie damn I forgot about the TV show
00:20:30
Speaker
Oh, it's 2004.
00:20:39
Speaker
but So those pump guys, the henchmen are from 2004 error, like tough guys.
00:20:59
Speaker
But even for 2004 technology, this is weird. Floppy, this CD player. Isn't that like a mini disc? like It's like a Sony, it was like their weird like Walkman 90s format. Yeah, that's like 1994 tech. So this guy's already carrying retro tech from the future to the past.
00:22:30
Speaker
So they make it seem like time travel was like just a portal you walk through and it's so casual. They didn't wanna copy like Terminator with like a bubble.
00:23:01
Speaker
They don't know that reference besides like the other guy. Yeah.
00:23:12
Speaker
So the other guy was a boxer. Who is this guy? That's just like, OK, I'm a tough guy, like i fighting his fight style is like grabs and but they're like the 1920s. They have no customs of like karate. Yeah, they don't understand like the fence. They're just yeah. Punch. Or like guard your face.
00:23:37
Speaker
See, is this historically accurate? Like, did he create another ritual by being the shit out of these like henchmen? He created Kempo in like the 20s.
00:23:57
Speaker
Man, Van Dam would have been an awesome dammit. Action dives! Like...
00:24:08
Speaker
What weird future gun is this? Did you have to like cock it like a shotgun? But it's like a machine gun, yeah, with like a scope on it. This face took like whatever shit they found, like the prop department. It's like, put all this on there.
00:24:45
Speaker
See, this is where Van Damme finds out about shit. Not 1994 Van Damme.
00:25:26
Speaker
It'd been funny if it was like, this movie's called Time, Bounty Hunter or something like that. Mm-hmm.
00:25:46
Speaker
This would have been a consequence, right?
00:25:52
Speaker
this would have been a consequence right people see like ah like ah ah So sort of like glowing, but like a ripple in the sky.
00:26:11
Speaker
How is the return smoother than like the transmission towards? Yeah, that's nothing thinking about the time trail makes sense. It's just like yeah you launch yourself in a car, but then you just like you just go back whenever you want to like a nice like butddle thing man yeah
00:26:52
Speaker
nice puddle thing.
00:26:55
Speaker
Jeez.
00:27:01
Speaker
The TEC doesn't mess around.
00:27:36
Speaker
How, do how do they know, like, how are they they be able to monitor like the past and like, no people are like, they're trying to like do things. I don't see, they need to know what is facts, but then what they read now has been altered. So yeah it's like no like save point. Did you ever see the show seven days on like UPN back in the day? So that was a show, it was like similar, very similar to this where there was like this like special government agency that like time traveled.
00:28:02
Speaker
But then the thing was they sent one guy back a week because their type job, she could go back a week. And then he had to call them until like, there's like a special like code word they used, but he's the only one that knew what was going to happen. Everyone was like, well, we don't know. It's a week from the past for us. We don't know what I was talking about. But like the one, but the one, the one guy knows what's going to happen. Then they try to stop it every week. So that's, that makes more sense in like a week delay. But the problem is when you alter things like that,
00:28:32
Speaker
like it becomes facts. So yeah how do you know what you are changing? It's like they didn't have the Mandela effect. How do they have that year?
00:28:54
Speaker
Well, good talk for them. Well, these two have obviously some animosity. Yeah.
The Time Travel Agency's Depressing Setting
00:29:17
Speaker
We made this place as depressing as possible. Yes.
00:30:07
Speaker
You can type cop on it. Such a tight pun. Such a watch to it.
00:30:38
Speaker
There was so much background noise, like the leaps and glutes.
00:30:49
Speaker
they They didn't have a musical score. They just went for like, let's just throw in 101 computer effects, sound effects. Also, when did they get on the noshromo? Yeah. This is definitely like ah like they found like sets somewhere on like the back lot of Warbirds.
00:31:07
Speaker
Hey, can we use these sets from a spaceship? Yeah. What are you going to do it for? We'll put it in an office building. ye
00:31:25
Speaker
So in this timeline, does Walker then jump on his own like like time machine like right now?
00:31:38
Speaker
to send back an agent to kill his family, to make Walker. Wow, look at look at these future cars.
00:31:52
Speaker
So you can see people on the street who are not part of the movie just staring at those people. Like where it's like ah like normal 1993 or whatever they feel this people just will be like, what the fuck is that?
00:32:40
Speaker
We're going to try this Kill Him Again trick again. Like a decade later.
00:32:51
Speaker
See, the movie should have started like this and then you get the flashback or you get the um ah reveal or something.
00:33:07
Speaker
And then you have like the Looper does that, where it's like you don't know all the like these events because they are like in flux.
00:33:48
Speaker
how do you take down he who remains also do they not have like a better photo but fantastic like his eyes were like half closed like ah
00:34:16
Speaker
So he can't go back to save his wife? because Because that would change the, so they know that would change the future or or something, I guess. But for him, it's not like his wife destabilized the economy. Me as Sarah becomes like a dictator or something. You're like, I think the w risk is too good. He knows so much about like the 10 year difference.
00:34:53
Speaker
working the beat driving a garbage car you're like armored your armored car armored windowless car but driver that's a driverless car I wonder what car do they use as like the actual
00:35:18
Speaker
a card they use is like
00:35:21
Speaker
I mean, i'm sure I'm sure probably the cheapest car they can find. Yeah. And they just put off. This slap metal like plastic shit all over it.
00:35:37
Speaker
Why even have headlights if the car, you can't see out the car. You know, like you don't need headlights, you just need like Kind of like a reflective thing. Well, you need headlights so other people can like, you just have like a car driving around with no headlights at night. Well, no, I'm saying don't make it like a black headless car, but you just have lights, you know? Like colors, like reflective colors. I don't know. I don't know if you need headlights, if it's moving at.
00:36:26
Speaker
Ah, future booze? and I don't know if it's future booze.
00:36:37
Speaker
You know, things are bad when like you're like, quote it, if you've seen this the other time, you like quote like the the past video. Yep. He's in full Tom Cruise from our report mode.
00:36:58
Speaker
time try this to a sex tap but it but but and doesn't have like the like because at least minority firm was like a hologram so you could like step into it and pretend you're like still there like this is just like a vhs day a future vius vieststa yeah had a scale it from vhs to like a d yeah
00:37:30
Speaker
The world is interesting in 2004. There's so many like weird things happening in political movements and things.
00:37:41
Speaker
We're not focusing on what the white nationalists have. The white supremacist party, yeah. The white supremacist is just like a party. This is sort of like the Simpsons predicting the future.
00:38:01
Speaker
How slow is that taser?
00:38:13
Speaker
Oh, did Van Damme like drunk cook last night? I tried to make soup.
00:38:35
Speaker
Maybe stop attacking, like, the knife.
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah, something different. See, Van Dam just has to, like, so hold it in place, like, just a guard, because the guy doesn't know where else to stab.
00:39:09
Speaker
That was the first time we saw someone else split kick Van Dam in the face like that.
00:39:41
Speaker
Is that like a siphon filter, like a taser, where it just like, it like kills people, sets them on fire? You have to hold it on them. Yeah.
00:40:02
Speaker
I mean, that that's the greatest split in Van Damme history, right?
00:40:10
Speaker
It's the most stylish. I think I've seen another split he does better. I mean, like what like Kickboxer has like the yeah ah training split. Or Bloodsport had that.
00:40:36
Speaker
We heard the sounds of Karate.
00:41:54
Speaker
She's really got her Blade Runner outfit on. Let her go. Yup.
00:42:06
Speaker
Man, I forgot how much newsy there is. She found his time, cop.
00:42:57
Speaker
I got to talk to a real lady today. So they're saying like he like he drew those like the robots but like the sexy robots. you metal robots Even though though like they're like it's like a super super famous artist. I can't remember who it was but like that's like like like famous like comic book artists like Prince. Yeah I've seen those. I'm just trying to think like unless he fan made a version of it.
00:43:54
Speaker
they going into space or time like this this is what say this makes it this is like crazy this is crazy they couldn't get I say before you do more time force policing get this part done make it not look fucking scary like scary and random mm-hmm
00:44:30
Speaker
this mean This looks like a kickass amusement park ride.
00:44:39
Speaker
Also, why the past? Why can't you go to the future?
00:45:36
Speaker
He's so cool.
00:45:42
Speaker
I received like tough guy movie things where it's like he's eating a sandwich while something crazy going on. He's so bored by this like insane like situation. This method of time travel.
00:46:23
Speaker
Why is her side way crazy?
00:46:28
Speaker
Yeah, so so you go on a rocket sled into a Stargate and then... If that fails, you go right into a crash wall? that can yeah new like Yeah, like a test wall.
00:46:45
Speaker
It should have been like a pool. Like if it misaligns, it catches it in a pool or something. Not a concrete wall. And then then the slit like the rocket sled doesn't go with you. like you're like You're ejected out of the rocket sled somehow, and then you fall from the the sky of like the past. But then I don't understand. like Does the rocket sled go back in time? Yeah, i think it it just comes like it comes back the other way. So somehow that it comes back. like
00:47:43
Speaker
I remember Bobby Morgan. That comes very important in the movie. I think around this time, Judge Dredd was coming out. Probably, yeah. Or came out. So it almost has like a Judge Dredd vibe of like their outfit.
00:48:18
Speaker
Yeah, Judge Dry was say the year after this. OK, so. And then Demolition Man was like the year before this. So it was like, yeah, definitely this like like weird 90s, like sci-fi, all the actual reasons, like all the big action stars were like sci-fi.
00:48:39
Speaker
Not about the everyday anymore. It's in the early 90s. It's about. We're going to escalate things. yeah Take take ah already a difficult challenge of policing and now throw in the future.
00:49:11
Speaker
Van Damme does not have a good track record with like characters that have birthdays. I think in Hard Target, even the detective had a birthday. Oh my god, yeah. And she kind of looks like the detective from Hard Target.
00:49:35
Speaker
Is this the factory from Robocop?
00:49:41
Speaker
Like when they do the drug bust, it looks like the same design.
00:51:29
Speaker
remember that it's very important
00:51:52
Speaker
Remember that, it's very important. Did he hit him with like a VHS?
00:52:04
Speaker
No, it's it's it'ss it's one of those dumb future guns.
00:52:56
Speaker
So the senator hung out with Van Dam maybe like yesterday, right? Yeah. And then he got at his own time machine somewhere to do all this.
00:53:18
Speaker
Because like this you cause like you know Van Dam's coming after you and you still do this. Yeah. Well, it's like this is the first time Ron Silver's like going back to like till it because I think they mentioned a little bit ago that like oh like he used to be part of this company and then he's like I think I like triggered on silver be like oh yeah I was part of this company actually like go back and like like eliminate my partner yeah I see cuz he needs these money for those political ads
00:54:06
Speaker
Oh no, my new partner who I don't trust.
00:54:11
Speaker
It's unforeseeable betrayal.
00:55:04
Speaker
yeah Yeah, smash s mesh all the available computer equipment that is going to like make him billions. I mean, this could just be a prototype. Yeah. We're going to cut back to the future. It's like, mean remember that remember that like ah like destruction of the Parker Macomb computer facility that costs them like millions of dollars? And like and then they found like his partner dead?
00:55:31
Speaker
Yeah, this should have like a ripple effect already happening at this moment because you killed the guy who made the technology to make time travel possible. No, I don't. I don't think I don't think I don't think Macomb's partner was like time travel guy, which is like it was this a separate like he he made some sort of revolutionary computer chip that like and Macomb in the original timeline and said, like I'm going to take the buyout on the leave. But i then it turned out to be like a billion dollar company. I see. So that's why he said that's why he's here in the past now be like,
00:55:59
Speaker
Well, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna leave the company now. But without the other guy, I feel like the company would have, hey, they're just they own running it. Yeah. There's some sort of German scientists create time travel. That's what they mentioned in like the beginning.
00:56:20
Speaker
See, I think like the, cause there's, there's, so there's like instantaneous effects, like, but then some things take like, for like a while, like, work out or something.
00:56:42
Speaker
They should really store some of these chemicals not all together in this warehouse. Inflammable means flammable.
00:57:02
Speaker
You own all this, this burning building.
00:57:38
Speaker
and got the oh Yeah, I'm hoping names like hiding still hiding behind flammable barrels
00:58:10
Speaker
dangerous stunt.
00:58:18
Speaker
So did you see this movie in theaters? No. I saw this in theaters as a kid. I say that because this scene horrified me.
00:58:39
Speaker
It's cheesy now, but.
00:58:47
Speaker
Yeah, they've they've like completely destroyed like this like valuable computer prototype that's gonna like make the billiards. This company's dead.
00:59:13
Speaker
Are they gonna have like a M. Bison Van Damme fight? See, she's got the Van Damme training. I know karate. Uh oh.
00:59:35
Speaker
I thought that I was the only one who had karate.
01:00:02
Speaker
but in the terms of the timeline. Yeah. And then you, you've also altered past once and it didn't work.
01:00:22
Speaker
Yeah, because, because pet pass become hasn't done the kill, try to kill Walker plan yet. Young Walker. So this happened then. No, I think even in Young Walker, he you was past Walker that showed up and did that. Oh, see, they come back in the car. How does this happen?
01:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, because we're we're now we're in like a like Back to the Future 2 dark timeline. and
01:02:18
Speaker
gotta do the manual way and run to that yeah
01:02:43
Speaker
We gotta do it the manual way. We gotta run into that shit.
01:03:24
Speaker
Does Ricky not talk in future? What's going on with Ricky? Yeah, he's that he's not a sex pervert in the future, so he got improved. How did McComba make Ricky not a pervert? How's McComba becoming a billionaire, make Ricky not perverts?
01:03:51
Speaker
So he's reenacting the first part of the movie? this is Yeah, now he's coming up with the plan to kill Walker, how we saw in the beginning of the movie.
01:04:37
Speaker
Yes. So so they they they know who Walker is because they're like, you know, they're not like, who the fuck are you? But then you just like never talked to Matusak or anything. Well, he was like Matusak was the captain of the force. So yeah. Did all the cops just blatantly become time cops in Washington? Well, I'm just saying i'm saying, like, like how Matusak is like, oh, yeah we were best friends. I don't remember that, like.
01:05:02
Speaker
Like what, cause there's like version of Walker that was like probably here that was like, just never talked to him. It was like super like an asshole to him or something. So Walker became a bigger asshole in this alternate future. Yeah.
01:06:16
Speaker
I remember the effects was something that was like promoted on like TV. It's like, whoa, check out these like like these like warping effects. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was like post Terminator 2. So it was like, look at CGI, the future of filmmaking. Mm hmm. We can make liquid, we can make liquidy looking things. And then they did it after this.
01:06:51
Speaker
Like it's like it's like his future like palm pilot or something or new apple new in Like an Alexa thing in it. So he's able to find by just asking it questions. Yeah All right be a seriousness movie
01:07:25
Speaker
That didn't even look like a real police badge, and it's not just a police. Yeah, the's heat the TEC doesn't exist yet. Even if this is like all my cop, it's like, no, you're not.
01:07:48
Speaker
Puncher. Karate kick.
01:09:00
Speaker
Oh, cool. Maybe I'll alter some of my own past. I never thought of that before.
01:09:11
Speaker
You know, this movie is almost over. It is surprisingly frisk. Yeah.
01:09:30
Speaker
Let me just steal some blood.
01:10:05
Speaker
I was going to be a daddy.
01:10:21
Speaker
but time
01:10:38
Speaker
like future cop did this could it be the two like weird future punks from like a dystopian future
01:11:07
Speaker
You, we just know it's you. He's got a mullet. He's from the future, get him.
01:11:28
Speaker
but there's There's a lot of ah like, defenestration in this movie.
01:11:40
Speaker
So I can't believe that's the word for going out. For getting thrown out of the window, yeah.
01:11:46
Speaker
Oh, God, we're looping. We're back. with It's the beginning of the movie again. So is it this is a Halloween movie because it's October. Yeah, I think um his partner, like that stock paper he had was like October 30th was like the date on it. So this yeah, this is like ah October 30th to the first like movie.
Parallels with The Terminator
01:12:10
Speaker
So I'm confused. Is those guys came from the hospital? Did this came here and this happened already?
01:12:19
Speaker
Well, now it's. But those bad guys were there from the first loop. Yeah, they were there ah because like. It does it does make sense that old like old like 2004 Max why he wasn't there originally.
01:12:40
Speaker
Alright, is this Max's secret older brother?
01:12:48
Speaker
And they're stealing this from T2. A mall, a chase. Come with me if you want to live. Come through a back alley exit. This is a Terminator mall. The, uh, the, the young man names like He's going to show up with like a rose, like a box of roses. Guns and roses you can start playing.
01:13:10
Speaker
Why do you have a mullet? You look terrible.
01:13:24
Speaker
and This is definitely a shot for shot Terminator thing. Is that Van Damme as the cop is the the good time traveler? and then It probably i mean probably was. like what is that Was that mall in the Los Angeles at the Galleria?
01:13:54
Speaker
Right now he's altering his like future because then she already knew this in that original timeline or not. I don't know. That's like the original timeline. There was no old Max and then they just got, then they she got killed and Max got almost killed. But then in the original timeline, there still was time travelers. Yeah.
01:14:22
Speaker
Well, I guess it's like, yeah, because because Macomb just like came up with the plan to kill Max like 20 minutes ago, whatever the movie. He tried to do it again. Another loop.
01:14:34
Speaker
That's what they killed him and he's trying to kill them at least three times. Yeah, it's like, yeah, if if you try try to even like try to figure out the logic of this movie time travel wise, it's just like you break your brain. and
01:14:49
Speaker
Well, Van Dam's good, I think, because he lives this memory over and over again in the last 10 years. He was able to do this. Yep. To sync the timing, know what's going to happen.
01:15:11
Speaker
Is this cheating?
01:15:22
Speaker
you need You need to have a sexaphone sexy with him. That's very important.
01:15:39
Speaker
It's been funny if Van Damme notices like future Van Damme just sort of stops and looks at him and he's like, huh? Oh, hey, handsome.
01:16:16
Speaker
She was going to say this line already. They pre-planned it. So you're going to come up behind me. I'm going to wait at the time clock store. You say this, and I'll say this, and then we'll go, we have sex. You have to do it like that. Yeah.
01:16:50
Speaker
Then you go to the sky, you get scammed for a Polaroid that doesn't look good.
01:17:01
Speaker
I wish she was like back in the future style with the pictures fading. Oh, yeah that would have been cool. That would have been slightly different. Or changes or something, yeah. He's like, OK. Like he disappears from the photo or something? Yeah, because then it's like, OK, we need to stop that to bring me back to the photo. But that's too on in the nose for Back to the Future. If anything, it should have added props and stuff.
01:17:47
Speaker
Just physically. Our marriage is like, loveless. We're still together in my hearts. And home movies.
01:18:34
Speaker
No, he's like, but great. Great. I had to go to work.
01:18:42
Speaker
This is all new memories now. This is like didn't happen. And so he just like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I wish they would. I wish they would do something where like, like old event, like 2004 of an AMP search, having like headaches or something. We're just like, ah, memories. like
01:19:20
Speaker
Oh, so those are like present day guys.
01:19:25
Speaker
No, I think they were from the future. They can't like, they like come sit, like it's enough in the future. Like, like to kill Walker.
01:20:13
Speaker
why do they live in like a horror like this looks like a like a Victorian mansion or something well it is a Victorian house but yeah it's already designed in a spooky ass way mm-hmm it creaks already the doors like super worn something's trying to claw out of it or into it like What's going on in this house? Was this like a foreclosure house? a Torture attic.
01:21:21
Speaker
Where did Van Dam like 94 go? Oh, he was this one.
01:21:33
Speaker
It's like, so send your wife that you know is pregnant now. um It's like a super slippery like rickety roof. Borean roof. Yeah. Which is not like not great to walk on.
01:22:22
Speaker
grab that middle pole in a lightning storm It's fine. all part of the plan
01:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, what luck for that guy. Yeah, I know. This worked better than the last time.
01:23:03
Speaker
Although I guess it's the first time, even though we saw them try to do this like before.
01:23:22
Speaker
and Thank God this house is like poorly made.
01:23:28
Speaker
Granted, rain gutter is not supposed to hold the whole weight of like two ah girl grown people. I that's the same gun effect from Judge Dredd. They definitely saw Timecop and copied the sound effects for the gun shooting.
01:24:29
Speaker
Does 94 of a damn have the future gun or does he just have like a regular gun with like a giant flashlight on it? I think it's a future gun dropped by the bad guy.
01:25:32
Speaker
He hates laundry.
01:25:44
Speaker
Eh. No pun. No joke. Or like a laundry joke.
01:26:06
Speaker
And they just saved the money on the lighting in this movie. They just, I can't tell who's fighting what it's up points and who's getting punched. It's not like they're trying to hide that there's two van dams, right? Like we know this is a van dam future van dam.
01:26:28
Speaker
She, she ran into help at like this guy.
01:27:03
Speaker
It's future C4.
01:27:40
Speaker
It's like a double impact. Yeah.
01:27:52
Speaker
Was that me?
01:28:52
Speaker
I don't know why that was like a pun. Yeah.
01:28:58
Speaker
Yeah, the action movie pun game in this movie is not up to stuff.
01:29:37
Speaker
Slow draw there.
01:30:08
Speaker
I'll put the stones back at the end.
01:30:32
Speaker
I like how naive, young, like... Yeah, okay, cool. He's only 10 year difference. It's not like a crazy amount of time where it's like he's a generation. Okay. Anonymous call. I'll follow that.
01:31:02
Speaker
You could have moved too. Yeah. That was like very delayed. Like.
01:31:12
Speaker
CG!
01:31:16
Speaker
He's using all the Windows 92 graphics
01:31:46
Speaker
I thought he ran out of the house in 14 seconds.
01:32:15
Speaker
and There was a built-in house just to blow it up or that was like some abandoned house. It's like bought. I mean, it still has good bones. It just blew out all the interior stuff, but the frame's still there.
01:32:35
Speaker
Are there any neighbors in this house? Like where is everybody? Yeah. It's like, you're both shots, but you'll be fine.
01:32:45
Speaker
Also, all of it like I got basically hit his both of us. He didn't actually get shot. But like all of it didn't have a sort of like it back to like those bullets. Future bullets are just regular bullets.
01:33:02
Speaker
Wait, was it wasn't the Parker thing before the like ah like come try to kill like his family. So like when Parker still be dead.
01:33:17
Speaker
I don't know. But he killed McCombs, I guess McCombs never went back to kill Parker. Yeah, yeah so it cancels out the first kill.
01:34:03
Speaker
He does not remember.
01:34:12
Speaker
Because even as like, hey, where did you just come from? you you sent on Yeah. Like yeah they like both both times with who's like never asked like, oh, hey, why did you go in the past? Like, I don't remember why we'd set you up like to the past. You just freely go to the past when you want.
01:34:29
Speaker
yeah is there like There's got to be some sort of like debriefing system. Like, yeah, but you're like, well, you sent me back in time for this, and I stopped this guy. So then ah like this is what changed or whatever. right
01:34:45
Speaker
Because if something changed, like everyone who like just lives through it. They don't know that it was different before. Yeah, there's different outcomes, but they don't quite Makes sense. Like he's, oh, he's still driving shitty cars. Like it's just that didn't change. That's a constant.
01:35:11
Speaker
Well, we're coming it's away from like the, like the biggest question and like I've like i've always asked about this movie.
Humor and Indestructibility
01:35:23
Speaker
What's made out of this house? This house is and indestructible.
01:35:34
Speaker
and
01:35:39
Speaker
He's just like, kid?
01:35:47
Speaker
I would have liked to see all the memories he missed flood back in his head. no it can't because there's like there's another max right there's a max that was like lived like there's ah like yeah same age as max but yeah there's it that knows that his son because like this max doesn't know his son's fucking name because he's finally like he's finally his son like So, like, is he gonna kill the other Max, like, steal his life? Like, what is he gonna do? I don't know. It's supposed to be a linear timeline. So, is he at a time? Is he from the same time? I don't know. Because Young Max is still alive. So, he grew up and he joined the TEC and then, you know, as a TEC agent, it this one's from a different timeline. But I'm also thinking in that reality, at some point, that Max had to go back in time and then he became this Max.
01:36:39
Speaker
And movie just ends like at the TV show credit. Like, hey, hey, like what? Yeah. so don't Don't think about it. Don't think about it. Like commercial. Yeah. No, I think I think there's definitely there's definitely like a a different Max that like lived like because like who like knows who has like all the memories, like has actually lived like this life. Then this other Max came back and like, oh, this is my life now. Okay.
01:37:04
Speaker
It's like yeah the Lee is seeing like the unseen epilogue is like Fandance the Fight himself or something.
01:37:12
Speaker
Maybe, maybe it's another fight to the death that ends with... Well, they can't fight each other you because... No, they can't touch each other, yeah. And they definitely don't explain it in like the sequel or the TV show because it's different characters. Yeah, it's just gonna be unknown.
01:37:36
Speaker
We should ask Van Damme. I got a Q and&A panel just to work. Was there a time cop? Was there another but other two Van Dams and then you stole the other Van Damme's life? He's like, I do not know what you're asking. I'm like, OK, yeah, you're the other Van Damme. This is the fake Van Damme. Like how long does like the Van Damme have been falling into the whole movie? How long does he go like just pretending he knows his son's name or like anything about his son?
01:38:07
Speaker
he's just like hey sports what so what do you like to do for for things like you go to a kiddo like if anything van damme's memories are filled of what like memorizing that vhs tape yeah hopefully maybe pass van damme recorded shit but he wouldn't know that there'd be a terrible alternate future Yeah. Cause cause this, cause the band now you've been following the whole movie, like he, he knows, he only knows like the timeline where like his wife died and then he like killed McComb and then like that whole, like you just know anything about this other timeline. and
01:38:50
Speaker
I'm just as confused too. I know it's been debated because I didn't realize how confusing that's going to be.
01:38:59
Speaker
Yeah, because he left his like younger self there. So there's definitely two Van Dams.
01:39:08
Speaker
Yeah, but that Van Dam later had a family, raised his family, raised his family, you know, his kid. And then he had to get to some point that that Van Dam had to get in the machine in order to swap or something. Well, they never had to, like, no none of the like things the bad things that happened to, like like, there's no Macomb, so you didn't have to go back in time and, like,
01:39:29
Speaker
Yo, this partner didn't betray T.T.E.C. because he didn't erase money for but McComb. McComb is dead, so he never became president. ah corrupt president So it's like... He was just like doing like normal like time time enforcement commission cases, I guess. But there wouldn't be crime because McComb was one doing the crime.
01:39:54
Speaker
Well, I think that the guy that the guy that robbed the Confederate gold that we'd never like get any sort of like thought about like he just did it for like he's like somehow got a time machine and like did himself and then sold. That was separate. I thought that was still McComb. No, that was that. Nothing to do with McComb because like that McComb finds out about that after that's that happens. And then they're like, oh, hey.
01:40:15
Speaker
ah That they have that meeting about the time travel is like oh by the way ah time travel exists, so we need to make a like agency is Travel okay, so that that guy in the beginning is like I totally it's a random guy that somehow times around That guy stole a time bandit just run around yeah, he got eat yeah, I totally clean he sold the gold to the Middle Eastern terrorists or whatever and then but we They never fell apart the way thing about that See I thought that was McCone in the beginning that was getting people to do time crimes to fund his no I think Macomb finds out about time travel at that, at that like, uh, that, that Senate meeting is like, Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought it was like, he creates time crime in order to go back and then influence his past or something to do time crime early.
01:40:59
Speaker
I mean, maybe, I mean, ah yeah I mean, he definitely, the guy in the 1920s was working for him. But yeah, I don't, I think that that other, the other guy in the beginning of the movie is just like a random dude. who like ahow public i travel And he seemed, that guy seemed like he was kind of like a hick, like he was missing a tooth. So it's like, how did that guy find, like, get like future guns plus a time machine and like go back in time and like, like Rob with the Confederacy and then escape to give the community goal to the future.
01:41:28
Speaker
And then he was doing an arms deal with Middle Eastern terrorists? In 1994. Yeah, in 1994.
01:41:37
Speaker
A lot to be desired on that, because only because, you know, we like the lore. And I don't know if the TV show ever addresses things like that. I might find out. Yeah, I don't think you'd watch the TV show anywhere. But that was like, the TV show was like a prime title, like an a like a ABC show. Wow.
01:42:01
Speaker
but it But it aired like three like aired like three like years after the ah but movie came out. Right on time. But ah yeah, time cop.
Celebration of Van Damme Action
01:42:15
Speaker
I think it holds up for just silly fun, silly Van Damme fun. Yes. i still um Even though we poke holes in some of the plot, it's still coherent enough. It's fast moving. There really isn't a lot of like,
01:42:28
Speaker
fat on bone is just Yeah, plot like stupid fluffer scenes. The beginning is interesting just to show you that the future is influencing the past, but now that I know that it's like completely separate and it's still time crimes, like you just have questions about like everything else.
01:42:47
Speaker
Yeah, Land A.M. storyline is like bookmarked, at like bookended.
01:42:53
Speaker
It's just the whole the whole mechanics of time travel with the car the rocket sled and then he's like But then you don't end up as the right you like you leave in the rocket sled you end up in like you Come on like a time ripple, but then when you come back here in the rocket sled again Wait, so the crazy thing is you come back on the rocket sled and the rocket sled is now pointed this in the opposite direction opposite direction. Yeah Do they also have to like unhook the time sled every time they need to send someone again? Like are you are you getting in the rocket sled in some sort of like weird?
01:43:23
Speaker
like time travel limbo space or something. like Because you cause you you yeah have your tape deck recall device that you press. You go into a ripple. But then the ripple, when you come back to the present, you're in ah the time that it's rocket sled again. and like in In a seat belt.
01:43:43
Speaker
like
01:43:48
Speaker
The rockets of the thing, I feel like it's like that's like like, oh, this is a cool visual. But like, they should have just had it be like, you you walk into like a ripple, you walk into like the time ripple, then you come like, it's it's just it's just like that like time that like tape deck like thing that like, you go back and forth with like, they should have had that like, you you program a date and that and then you're like, that's how you go, that's how you go back in time.
01:44:16
Speaker
the Because the Rock is insane. Oh yeah. I forgot how ridiculous it is as soon as you like keep noticing all the stupid mechanics that don't make sense. And then they kind of then they flirt with like, oh, like instant effects. Like, mccon gets speaking the ah young Macomb gets kicked in the face, then and then old Macomb has a scar on his face now. They like they like flirt with that, but they don't really do a lot with that. They're paid off in sort of like other ways.
01:44:48
Speaker
It would have been stupid if, like, McCone lost a hand and then, like, you see it during the future. It's, like, getting worse for him.
01:44:59
Speaker
But it's, like, weird that the bad guy gets the problem. It's not like the good guy kind of has the consequence, where that's what causes the good guy to run back and, like, stop things. Yeah, Van Dam never, like, yeah, nothing really happened. Like, but like he doesn't get any physical, like, ailments or, like, like, inflections because of, like, time travel.
01:45:15
Speaker
If anything Van Dam should have ran back and then like beat the crap out of Pass McComb to tell him not to be a bad guy.
01:45:25
Speaker
yeah like like we said like like like like young mccomb seems like a like a naive like just like like dumb guy like he you just been like yeah don't That yeah older guy, was just like he's like an impostor. Who are you? was like well I'm your guardian angel. I'm here to stop you from becoming this monster.
01:45:47
Speaker
because young mccon didn't seem bad yet he just was like that he was getting kicked out of like uh he just wanted to be like president and then he was getting kicked out of his like tech company yeah it didn't it didn't seem like he had any sort of ambition like he was like he only he only becomes evil when you like jointly he's part of that like time travel group he's like time travel money okay yeah If anything, he's like, quit this position, you'll be better off without it. Like, like the only thing he heard for that meeting was like, gold, you say? They still gold? Billions?
01:46:26
Speaker
Yeah, for Senator, he also had to find like, thugs who we just don't know. Like, 90s, like, call me bad thugs. Or like, like, weird, like, yeah, like, future dystopian, like, like, ah Super Mario Brothers, like, punks.
01:46:48
Speaker
But yeah, all that all that said though, yeah, it's definitely one of the best Van Damme movies. I agree.
01:46:57
Speaker
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01:47:16
Speaker
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