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X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris sharpen their claws and discuss 2009's X-Men Origins: Wolverine, the first time Wade Wilson/Deadpool and Wolverine shared the screen before this weekend's Deadpool & Wolverine.
The fourth film released in Fox's X-Men franchise, X-Men Origins: Wolverine sought to show the origins of Logan (Hugh Jackman) and how he became the adamantium-clawed amnesiac we met in the first X-Men movie, which includes his relationship with his brother Sabretooth (Liev Schreiber). What we got was a mess of a film full of contradictions to things we already saw in the previous movies, atrocious CG, and the absolute abomination that is Weapon XI, aka Deadpool. The guys talk about all that, plus the only live-action appearance of Gambit, the fantastic opening credits, how the video game adaptation is the better version, the infamous workprint leak, and more.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hey, hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of July 22nd, 2024. I'm your host Zach. And I'm your co-host Chris.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine Overview
00:00:27
Speaker
Yeah, this week we are sharpening our claws and talking about X-Men Origins Wolverine because this weekend Deadpool and Wolverine is hitting theaters and we are going back to the first time those two shared the screen in what is probably one of the worst superhero movies ever made. Yeah, it ranked down there.
00:00:49
Speaker
i would I would have put it, um it's like the worst X-Men movie, but then Dark Phoenix came out you know a couple years ago and I was like, oh, okay, this is the worst X-Men movie. Which I still haven't seen. so Oh man, yeah. Like currently the top rank of bad X-Men movie. But yeah, it was it was the first time that ah you know Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman shared the screen in an X-Men movie.
Improvement of Wolverine Movies Over Time
00:01:16
Speaker
And they're they're you know they're doing it again and hopefully what is going to be a ah much better film. Yeah, huge redemption to um having this, I guess, like team up sort of face off tense relationship. Mm hmm. Yeah, so the next one we're going to learn is the it was the fourth exit movie overall. You know, the first one in like the the Wolverine sub series, that was this, ah the
Comparison: Film vs. Video Game
00:01:44
Speaker
Wolverine and Logan. and
00:01:46
Speaker
Which, you know, it only it only went up, like, it's a weird, it only went up from there, like, the first one's horrible, and then, like, it goes up, like, to, like, one of the best superhero movies, Logan. and So, I guess, guys, we start we start from zero, you can only go up. Yeah, I mean, you you know what the worst example is, is avoid doing that. and so It's also one of, like, the rare movies where it's, like, the video game adaptation is, like, so much better than the actual movie it's based on. Yep. Like X-Men origin, X-Men origin, Wolverine, the game is actually pretty like fun and like it's, you know, it's R rated is violent. It's like, it's kind of, it's a kind of ward knockoff, but it's like super fun. Yeah. it takes you tells It tells the story better. It tells the, like a coherent parts of the story, even though most of that game I remember is, you know, I've beaten it like twice.
Inconsistencies in Wolverine's Origin
00:02:40
Speaker
It's mostly in the jungle. And then eventually you get to like,
00:02:44
Speaker
factory or like the facility part yeah yeah you know you you still fight yeah you still fight weapon 11 at the end I'm through my own and stuff but there's a lot more they had more characters in you can play as like classic Wolverine in his suit so yeah definitely the gate the game is a much better option the movie but uh Yeah, the movie, it's supposed to be the origin story, obviously, of Wolverine, although I feel like it clashes with like everything they've established in like the previous movies.
00:03:19
Speaker
Well, but we've tried to make sense of how this works in the longer run of things. Yeah, well, it doesn't does it doesn't fit in like that anything like um because we you know we we already got like the Weapon X flashbacks and X2. There's like it's completely every time they do it, it's completely different. And then I also get like Tyler Maine was saber, ah saber tooth in the first X movie. And it's like how like did he just like the F. Schreiber just turned into him like he's like this. I just let his hair grow and like do droids and start like working out or something.
00:03:56
Speaker
and then changing his look, a whole new look, even though he carried it for like 40 years to say. And become become way less articulate. Yeah, he was way more beastly in the first X-Men movie. Yeah, I think that's one of the main things. Like, Liam Schreiber is great, but like, he does not fit as like a saber tooth. Like, he's just way too, like, articulate and, like... um I mean, depends on what color. Yeah. No, no. So, there are saber tooths where he is like, Liam Schreiber.
00:04:28
Speaker
Yeah. Where basically he has the the rage, but he's tempered it down. We're all used to the X-Men 94 interpretation. Yeah. Anime series where he's just like a screaming man. In a suit or it's like it's it's hard to tell in that cartoon if he's just like is like a tiger monster or if he's like I think he takes the suit off at one point. So I like he does that like wear that suit. like Okay. So it really depends on the animation studio. I think between season one through four, it's a suit. But then in five, they have a flashback where they mutate him or something like in the facility and he grows the suit around
Wolverine and Sabretooth Through History
00:05:10
Speaker
him. Like it's just like, okay, there's obviously a production error, but whatever. Cause I feel like there's a scene like the anime series where like he's like in a log cabin or something and you just learn like a flail shirt.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah. That's the part where they drop off a son to his house yeah and then he walks out. He's wearing jeans and a, just like a tank top and a cowboy hat. Yeah. Fine. It makes sense. But in the season five, like way, way later where they show saber tooth getting like mutated further from like the weapon X experiment, then he, he versus into like bigger mode. And it's like, that's the, his evolution. They forced it, but yeah, it's stupid. It is weird. We have, but in, uh, exploration Wolverine, they established that, uh, Logan and, uh, Victor are half brothers. Which I'm fine with because like, did you, did you, did you read origins? I, yeah, I read a reward. Like.
00:06:05
Speaker
that That came obviously before, like that the kind of came out before this, right? That's what they're like going off of. Oh my god. i how It came out in like 2002. Yeah. And that really like, wait, we're just like, this is the official beginning. And people were like arguing because some people didn't want to know. Some people wanted to see how it tied in. And then they were smart. They just said, okay, it's just gonna be a Wolverine story. who know like it's up to whoever interprets this later to see how it ties in but let's just take the first 25 years of Logan's life and like kind of explain that and it's solid and honestly that would have been a fun Wolverine movie for like deeper fans but if you're like a this X-Men universe fan I don't think a lot of people appreciate that character study
00:06:49
Speaker
of Wolverine. But, you know, like, this is where, like, comic fans, like me, when I started reading it, I was like, oh, man, like, it doesn't need to be an X-Men extravaganza, like, fill in with every possible goddamn character and, and twist and turn. This was ah like, that was cool about origin. But then this was like, it felt off. Like, I feel like a lot of people saw this and were like, huh, something about it wasn't right. And like, you know, everyone's. Yeah, because they're originally from like 1845 or like, that's that's when like, like Logan kills his, uh, his true father.
00:07:28
Speaker
Well, that's fine. 1845 is a good starting point. And then we get the best, easily the best part of the movie, which is the opening credits, where you see Victor and Logan fighting through every war of the 20th century, like Civil War, World War I, World War II, Vietnam. Glimmers. Just little tiny glimmers of it. And it's a great opening. You're hyped. Yeah. I think that's not the trouble spots for most people. because it it lures you in. You think it's gonna be this awesome movie and you think, okay, we're not gonna worry about how's this gonna make sense? Like this is explaining how he's able to kind of keep his rage and all that. And it doesn't quite explain how he starts being like a Canadian, ah like a Canadian woodsman. I love my Jack. Yeah. I do love, I love the one scene in World War II where like we have Shrybers like galloping up the feet. No one in history remembers that. Yeah.
00:08:26
Speaker
I'm surprised. Yeah.
The Role of Stryker
00:08:27
Speaker
Like they've gone undetected for so long in every battle and stuff. they I mean, they got, they got to be changed. they they't They have to like change their service record, right? Like you can't just get like, Oh, here's your service record. Why is it printed on like civil war paper? Unless you're the same. I'm the son of the last guy. that I think maybe they're doing that. Yeah. They're like, Oh, we're just like, that was my father or whatever. of My grandfather. Well, between World War, probably Civil War, World War I, World War II, it's like records are kind of hard and it's like, hey, we need soldiers. But yeah, yeah the Vietnam one is where they get caught.
00:09:05
Speaker
The Vietnam War of them kind of doing like an apocalypse now style. skinny Yeah. Yeah, which goes nuts. um yeah And then they both get charged with like killing like a ah ah senior officer. And then it's like a generally saber tooth, the one that yeah really killed them. But it's like ah they're they're like sets to be up to a fire squad, which I don't is that up I guess Vietnam was was a crazy time. Yeah, it's just like, OK, quick court. We're just sending to you to death. but obviously obviously it doesn't work so then you just they just lock them up and it's like oh you're you're not dead okay well we are gonna court-mart you again tomorrow
00:09:44
Speaker
and're trying to get tomorrow yeah
00:09:48
Speaker
But then Stryker shows up, played by Danny Houston this time, not Brycox. Brycox was X2. Which I think, Danny Houston is the is the second Stryker out of like three, because there's there's a younger Stryker in Days of Future Past. No, oh there's four Strykers. In like the like entire X-Men film series? Yeah, I think there's a Stryker in I'm not sure if it's the Brian Cox striker, but there's another striker and I think the first X-Men and then they kind of like did that again. I think, I think, I think Brian Cox was the first time you saw a striker. Is he the real striker? Okay. Yeah. And then Danny Houston was in this one and then yeah, Josh Hellman was in, uh, these future past in the apocalypse. I teased him up for him to do nothing.
00:10:42
Speaker
Well, we talked about like, uh, you know, we talked about days of future past, like they they did that whole tease of like Mystique is striker. Then that never did anything with it. So yeah, they always abandoned the storyline, but for our striker Wolverine story, this one is coherent, at least like from their kind of manipulation. But as we talk about it, it falls apart. Like the plan, I think the overall plan is stupid.
Team X and Character Dynamics
00:11:12
Speaker
But yeah, Danny Houston is a good slimy striker. like
00:11:17
Speaker
yeah He plays his role. Danny Houston is good in this. But I'm saying just for how it ties into the greatest story, his striker's plan is crazy. well yeah I still like the the ragtag team he pulls together. Yeah, so he forms Weapon X, which is Team X apparently is what it's like called in the movie or like, because they're not like the Weapon X team, they're just like Team X, but yeah, it's Agent Zero, Wade Wilson, ah ah John Wraith, Fred Dukes, and Chris Bradley.
00:12:00
Speaker
including the-star cast of like that guy. It's like, Will.i.am's here, and Kevin Duran, and Dominic Monaghan. Yeah, well, I think out of everyone, William was kind of surprised. I think, there's it just yeah, this was like his first movie role. Yeah. The only thing he was like really hyped, he's excited. it's all yeah It's very like what was what it was hot in 2009. It's like, oh, the Black Eyed Peas had lost. Let's get we get people from those things in here. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to think what song Black Eyed Peas had that though, which is like, oh, William, so got him hot. He needs to be in the song in like 2009. Yeah.
00:12:45
Speaker
Oh, was that Boom Boom Pow? I think that was 7 or 10, 6. But yeah, like you know it's just like someone heard that song and went, yeah. You know what? I'm also surprised Boom Boom Pow wasn't involved in the room. Or maybe made some sort of like remix of like something or like a song. for like Yeah, I think it's sort of like you expect if the musician is going to be there, a musician is going to contribute something to the soundtrack. Yeah. Yeah, he should not and that always guaranteed. It really depends on the type of musician. But while I am sort of has an ego, so it makes sense that if you get him, you get the music. You got two for one. Well, apparently apparently one of the fact one facts of was that Quentin Rampage Jackson was was offered that role and they turned it down. Why? ah I don't know. who's Doing well around this time, I think he was probably filming the team. That was 2007.
00:13:47
Speaker
that was like That was like the next year. So yeah, maybe Heat, they were like getting ready to film that or something. That makes sense.
00:13:56
Speaker
Yeah, Dominic Monahan, obviously. I think Lost was in, I think it was close to, it was like the second to last season of Lost, but obviously he's like he was one of the big characters in that show.
00:14:13
Speaker
And then, yeah, Kevin Durant, like character actor, all star as as Fred Dukes, AKA the blob. Well, I think it's pretty good. I think he did a great job. Yeah. And he gets to wear that like crazy, um that crazy suit that they put him in later on. and Apparently also David Harbor ah ah audition for that, but didn't get it.
00:14:36
Speaker
Hmm. and think David Harbor would have been too.
00:14:42
Speaker
He might've been fine as like the blob, but I gotta see it, you know? He just doesn't have the look of like the blob. But yeah, obviously by obviously one of the reasons we need to talk about this movie this week is, yeah, Ryan Reynolds as Wade Wilson for the first time in this movie.
00:15:02
Speaker
Oh yeah. For like, for like, did you for like, how how long would would you say a minute? but Two minutes he's in this movie? As himself? No, he's in there for maybe five. Yeah. I would say no more than five minutes. Yeah. But did you see those trailers that they hyped up before this?
Deadpool's Role and Popularity
00:15:21
Speaker
That was like all about him or something? or yeah Yeah. I don't, I mean, I probably did at some point, but I don't remember. See, I didn't see I haven't seen it recently. OK, it's pretty good. Like if you look back Wolverine and there's a like the origins one and there's a Deadpool featurette with it where you see it's that it's Wade is his normal form talking about what it's like being on the Weapon X team. And it's like him in like like a silhouette like like a spotlight on him. And he's talking about like, oh, man,
00:15:55
Speaker
Like you get to, it's basically the same lines he's talking about in the, in his intro where he's like, Oh, I love traveling, meeting new people and killing them. And it's, it's short. It's like maybe a ah minute or less trailer, but as a fan, I was like, Oh man, I'm excited for that. I want to see how this plays into the greater story. and it's just like a big womp womp. But I also think that the Deadpool appeal just became popular around that time because in 2006, I think, 2005, 2006, Deadpool's fame to where it's growing started around then.
00:16:31
Speaker
Like the writing for Deadpool got way better. um His cat, the character prior to that was on like a retired because he died. Yeah. And then Marvel was experimenting with like another character that inherit Wade's personality, Agent X. And yeah, like that's why it was. There's a whole big thing between Taskmaster, Agent X, and not Deadpool yet. And then Deadpool gets found, and then he gets brought back into the mainline storylines. And from there on, it went to this crazy, like, OK, let's do Deadpool, and then let's do Deadpool and Cable. And then they started expanding that. So yeah, by now, when this movie comes out you know fumbling out in 2008, 2009, fans had expectations like me.
00:17:23
Speaker
I think the Danny Way Deadpool run started like around this time. I guess that helped, too. like that That started to like build up more momentum. And then, yeah, man, this is back when comics actually were like still doing well and people were paying attention. and You just had to read it. There was no way to share it on social media yet.
00:17:46
Speaker
You didn't know if it was good copying until basically someone told you in there. OK.
00:17:53
Speaker
and and right else looks like Even though it was like five years earlier, it looks like he stepped off the set of like Blade Trinity.
00:18:00
Speaker
like He's like wearing the exact same outfit. it's like not even like It's not even like a Deadpool-esque. Did I try to make him look like Deadpool at all? They gave him some red Red and he gave swords. Yeah, which he can like he can like uses them like they're like lightsabers like he's just going like helicopter blades is like walks in that room like deflects like Six machine gun shot like machine. There's like six. I'm shooting enemy blocks all their bullets and like custom one in half it kills you guys with it That shot still looks pretty cool
00:18:33
Speaker
Yeah. I still like that part because it just but it's so ridiculous. But the ridiculous like him like spitting the blades and like blocking every bullet is like insane. So it's like okay. Oh yeah. Before we do that. Before we get in there Zach. Yeah. Is Deadpool mutant yet?
00:18:52
Speaker
Like Wade a mutant? He's not Deadpool yet. He's just Wade. And it's... Everyone's got legitimate powers, but... Is Wade's powers just Katana? That he's good at swords? Yeah. Yeah, like that's his power? Like how like Agent Zero is like good at like guns? Guns? Yeah, it just... It's sort of weird. They both just have mutant heightened agility or reflexes or something? but they're still vulnerable. Like I don't think they could heal. Cause they don't, yeah, they don't, they don't imply that he has like a healing factor or like any other like, you know, Deadpool powers. Agent zero is pretty good for a one man scout team, but he's still pretty vulnerable to whatever he's being transported in. And then Wade is just okay. You can't shoot him in a room that all points to him. Like you pretty much have to, I don't know, trap him. And then that's his weakness because technically
00:19:47
Speaker
Everyone in that group only Wolverine could survive that like from pretty much all situations Mm-hmm. Except for one specific we'll get to the end but um Yeah, it's so weird just to think that I forgot about agent zero cuz oh yeah, he's a mutant his powers is guns. Yeah And Wade's his sword so Okay
00:20:12
Speaker
You think people find one guy that can do both? I mean, Deadpool could do both. So I mean, if they hate him, if they actually made him more like comic book Wade slash Deadpool, then he would have been good at guns and swords.
Logan's Departure from Weapon X
00:20:27
Speaker
Yeah, but maybe that explains why they all put it into Wade, everything, because he can contain all those things. Yeah, there's not even a hint of why he's the ultimate, you know, container for powers yeah yeah but I was a spoiler of just like oh yeah we made a dead pool like what and then just oh we took zeros ability to use a gun maybe he's the pool he's the pool of all the powers get it oh my god that's like a fucking line yeah but yeah we have we have they're like they're they're going in that they're like killing this entire like like I don't like
00:21:12
Speaker
It's like a like diamond dealer or something. It's like a blood diamond warlord guy. and then yeah But they don't want the diamonds. They want like the adamantium from a meteor. Which is something that they just found but couldn't figure out what to do with it.
00:21:29
Speaker
And then they find out where it's going, which where where it is, near some sort of village. And then they're going to start like just killing all the villagers, which is where Logan's finally like, I'm out.
00:21:44
Speaker
but But he leaves and it's like, they probably killed all the villagers still. know He didn't prevent them. that he just know I'm done. Like, how dare you leave us? And it's like, okay, well Wolverine wasn't going to stop them. Wolverine wasn't going to close the Weapon X program. He legit just left and was like, I don't want to be part of this. And they were super mad about that. Yeah. Honestly, they didn't need Wolverine. No. You know, like it wasn't like he was the big thing that tied the group together.
00:22:16
Speaker
I think they had like a Wolverine. It was basically Sabertooth. Sabertooth loved what he did. Except except like Stryker's like, oh, you you couldn't have survived the adamantium process, but Logan can. So that's why we needed him back. I guess Wolverine's got the better healing process. I guess so, yeah.
00:22:38
Speaker
But yeah, but yeah logan goes so logan like Logan goes and becomes like a lumberjack in Canada.
00:22:46
Speaker
And then he's a he's he's living with ah Silver Fox, who's also from the comics. Which, you know going back to like the animated series, like I feel like the like Silver Fox episode was better than anything in this movie. Yeah. this This love relationship was very like doomed when you see them. You're like, oh, man, I can't wait to see something bad into this. Yeah. Well, I do i do like that they like kind of like they go they go in the direction of, like Oh man, they frigged her, they killed her. And that's how he's why's going for revenge. But then they like this whole crazy convoluted scheme that you find out. Yeah. ah I don't. It's like the point was to get him mad so that he'll join Weapon X, fight Sabretooth.
00:23:36
Speaker
so that they can then give Wolverine powers, because he's going to lose the saber tooth. Yeah, yeah they had to this they had to assume that he was going to lose the saber tooth. And then then he he would like, I need a i need a way to kill saber tooth. And they're like, here, take go get the animantium fused into you.
00:23:57
Speaker
but then But then it was, that was all just, the all the only reason they wanted to put Animantium in him was to see if it like, he would live through it. And then yeah it lived into the process and then they would give it to like, you know, Deadpool.
00:24:12
Speaker
let's like But like they're're they're two totally different like, millions with different powers. So I don't know but how that test is like, if if if Logan survives, that doesn't necessarily mean like, like Wade will survive. unless So yeah, I don't know.
00:24:26
Speaker
Like, honestly, for them to hunt every member of their own team, that really did not need to be done. Because it's like, oh shit, wait, we're killing our own magic. Because they wanted to hide the existence of adamantium? Or like, because they they go, like, saber-toothed goes and kills Dominic Monaghan. He's like, and he's just like oh like, I never told anyone. And then he's just like, well, now you won't tell anyone ever.
00:24:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he is not using... He is totally not a threat. If anything, he's killing... Also, he's a cardi! But here's the thing, he gets killed and Wolverine does not care. Yeah. It's not like he goes, oh, for him or anything. It's just sort of like, oh, i and that's when he's saved and he's like, oh, I killed him. And just like, oh, okay. the The dude who turns things on and off and is mine, okay. I guess i guess i guess that was part of the plan too, is like to make it look like Victor is going rogue. and killing all the old task backs, like the Weapon X team members. And then that's why Stryker's like, well, you know, you gotta come back and help me, Logan, and stop him. He's killing all of us. Oh, OK. Yeah, it's such a cut. OK. Yeah, I forgot about that. Because if his plan was to do that and then try to kill Logan, wouldn't it make sense for? And wait, did his brother know that was the plan, too? Sabertooth? Yeah.
00:25:46
Speaker
Yeah, I think I think yeah he was in on it the whole time because he was he a striker been and working together to this all these like the entire time Wolverine was like a lumberjack.
Key Fight Scenes and CGI Discussion
00:25:55
Speaker
They were like abducting mutant kids. OK, so and I think so. so Wait, Sabret. Did Sabretooth know that they're going to kill Logan?
00:26:08
Speaker
ah He would have agreed. And that was the thing at the end where he sort of figures out goes, oh, like. I'm not going to get my powers. I can't be stronger than Wolverine. Well, I won't be stronger than that. He currently is. I won't be matched with him. I wonder, I if wonder if we knew about the mind wiping things. That was the whole thing of like, uh, what we have to do, the, um, at the end process, the Wolverine, he's like circles, like, well, wipe his memory. And then Logan hears it in the tank. And then like, that's why he escapes. So they, okay. It wasn't to try to kill him on purpose. They were just trying to mind
00:26:41
Speaker
Yeah. I think, I think Sabertooth just still wanted to fight with Wolverine. Like wanted to still be partners and just wants him to forget that he wanted to leave in the first place. Cause they're brothers. Yeah. They're brothers. Yeah. Cause I was like, it's all they have is the rage. They want to, he wants to be like rage animals in war. At this point, they're just Highlanders. So they need each other. Yeah.
00:27:04
Speaker
yeah There's a whole, there's a, yeah, there's a whole, so this whole crazy plot where, ah it looks like saber-tooth kills silver fox and that and then that sets Wolverine off and and then he goes and tries to find saber-tooth and then they have a fight and like what was it it was like a bar but it was like it was like a A bar that had like like, it was like a lumberjack bar where they had like like logs for stools. it was like did They didn't have stools, they had like logs on the floor. It was like a giant open warehouse. Yeah, it was just basically ah on its on like a dive. It was a giant warehouse converted into a bar and all the furniture was made out of wood. Yeah. And yeah, I feel like when I walk in there, everything would give you a splinter. Probably, yeah. The toilets probably made out of like logs.
00:27:51
Speaker
there yeah I mean, there's yeah so much so much lumber up there in Canada. You got to use it for, like, ah everything. Let's just get a finger full with bark. But yeah, and then, yeah, Logan loses, and then that's when he's like, all right, I'll us i'll i'll get animante and put it to me.
00:28:14
Speaker
which which That pretty cool, even though like we got, like, we already we already saw it with Brian Cox the next two.
00:28:24
Speaker
And that was like a much like much more like, you know, darker, like the lighting of that scene like was all like much more like stylish for the next two. And this is like, oh, yeah, it's it's like a generic like science lab. Uh, I mean, it's still in a lake mountain. Yeah. And, uh, I don't know, the weapon next facility was pretty accessible because you can just run to a farmland. You just run to the wilderness. I mean, I do have to say like that, that shot of like Hugh Jeff like bursting out of the tank with the claws open is pretty iconic. Yeah, no. I think um up until this point, the movie was pretty coherent and then it started to run off the rails. I think honestly, his first like berserker, weight getting and and having that escape scene, it sets the tone. You're like, Oh, cool. But then when he's betrayed or like, Oh, I get it though. Uh,
00:29:22
Speaker
Here's the thing, though. so So Wolverine figures out, okay, hey, I still have to fight Victor for killing my girlfriend. And yes it's also, I have to not kill Striker. I'm going to kill Striker now because he he was going to, like, wipe my brain and he betrayed me. So we kept killing all of them now. So now I've got no friends and everything. So it's great i mean at that point the plot made sense, but like how it ties back in is dumb. How basically it's the same and enemy enemy in the end. like
00:29:55
Speaker
It's so stupid. Yeah. If they should have just kept like, they they went, they tried to make it way too complicated. It should have just been like a straight forward like revenge movie, like a take it or like a command door. So they were just like, all right, um but like escapes, he groups and he comes back just like, like kills the entire base of guys. yeah Totally fine. You know, if they reveal that Sabretooth was just trying to trick Wolverine into the base I would have been fine like you could have saved the headache and then you could show basically them trying to hunt Wolverine longer and then he needs to find a way to like get back at them strategically and then that that's why you need everyone else's help that makes more sense I think there has to be a rough draft somewhere where that's where they're gonna go because I think at this point in the movie if you just watch this point and just turn it off
00:30:40
Speaker
you would have been happy. You would have been, oh man, I can't wait to see what happens, but at least understand what's going on. And then, yeah, he escapes from that weapon access, like, and now that leads right into the first X-Men movie. like gets it And then you can watch X-Men, you know, 1.5 on DVD.
00:30:57
Speaker
But yeah yeah, but yeah, it keeps going. And yeah, I think i think to the point where you're starting to feel it go off the rails, I think is like the ah the CG claws that you you see in like the next scene. wherere like he yeah He gets discovered by this like kindly old couple who take him in and give him dinner and give him clothes. He's in their bathroom and he pops out of his claws like really for the first time to see what they look like. But they made them CG, but like, it's just the way they're lit or the way they're like, they're like, uh, however they crafted them. Yeah. They look like, like cartoonish, like like, like Roger Rabbit level of like, Oh, this is like, uh, like a Warner Brothers cartoon. Like, it does look like something that Doom, Judge Doom. Yeah. I'm in a bag of like cartoon weapons.
00:31:48
Speaker
Um, they have such a limer to them that is just so outdated. And it's like, they're like too big. It looks like they're like too big for his hand and it's just like, Oh yeah. They're like poles. Like they don't have like claws though. Like kind of like sharpened poles that he has. Uh, and I think they do. The problem is the bathroom is like brightly lit. There's a mirror that's brightly lit. Yeah. It's it's. impossible to hide the flaws in that shot at that time. And it makes you wonder because at this point they've done
00:32:27
Speaker
for three movies, three X-Men movies. And they have Wolverine claws. And it's like his bone claws look more amazing than this. You know, both of us look fine in this movie. Yes, it's the but met the the animatic claws just like look horrible. I would have been fine. And just also it would have been dumb if they basically just. Uh. Like, I don't know, just re-edit the bone claws and just be silver? Like the same. That's it. They could have done that. No. Those, the those C.G. claws are one of the things for like the like infamous work print that gets leaked out. Where it's just like, oh, they'll fix this. Yeah, this can't be like the what they look like in the final movie. It's like, yep, that's what they look like in the final movie.
00:33:11
Speaker
I guess we can review because it's like the statute of limitations over. Yeah. I saw ah one of the working print version. Oh, ever, ever, ever. It did. So I mean, it's probably online somewhere. So it's like you saw that and you're like, oh, but, you know, you're like, OK, I'm not going to be mad. that this is This is it's not it's not finished. I'm sure it'll still look better when the actual movie comes out. And it's like and you see next movie it looks worse. Yeah, I think the fact that I think they they did the lighting a lot better. But like the lighting, the room, not the claw like they they did. They fixed everything else around it. I'm like, what? They should have just like, I don't know, basically take the contrast and lowered it down. Color graded it to be darker or something. Well, apparently, apparently the issue was that they said that the like practical clause didn't look good in close ups that this way they made CG claws. But it's like.
00:34:06
Speaker
You've had, there's been three movies where you had huge appetite wearing practical claws. I don't know what happened between now, those movies and this movie where it's just like, oh no, we can't shoot these claws anymore. We got to make him see you. Yeah, because you threw that footage out. Yeah.
00:34:27
Speaker
but i but i think this I think this is one of like when the like dumbest prequel things where he's like you find out where he gets his jackets.
00:34:37
Speaker
it's it's some It's some random ah old couple's son's jacket that he gets. And then he also gets a motorcycle that he, like, immediately loses. His jacket would have been lost. What happens around this whole movie? Oh, yeah. I don't know where he found it again, because like he doesn't have it at the and like the but final battle or anything. So it's like... I mean, the the the motorcycle was more of a convenient thing, but I don't think it was going to be like, you know, something that you see later on. It just probably shows you that, you know, he likes motorcycles. Yeah.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yeah, but the but one one of the most shocking things in the movie, though, is like, yeah, the old couple gets gunned down by yeah by Agent Zero. Oh, wait, did you know the trivia that they're named after? Was it Captain like Alpha Flight, like two members have off of Alpha Flight? Oh, were they? Oh, yeah. Yeah. The husband and wife are named after like ah two members of Alpha Flight.
00:35:47
Speaker
So that's like but the the trivia tie in for them. Yeah. But like, but like, obviously nothing, no no power. not you is this ah I don't know. Maybe we don't know. There could have been this insane. either They're tired. Yeah. I think it's I think if they're actually out of play, they probably would have gotten like cut down by a sniper.
00:36:09
Speaker
So, yeah, we get so we get the crazy motorcycle chase where i Which they they should I think they do it in the game where like you fly like you launch yourself into a helicopter, like kill the pilot, but it's like it's way cooler in the game than the movie.
Gambit's Introduction and Role
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah, not so much in this movie. This movie, he's able to launch himself over like through a Humvee, an overturned Humvee he's able to like fly up. he cuts a hunve like He cuts the entire side of a Humvee off, that and cause it causes the flip, because it made two claws now. And yeah then he launches like he launches off the motorcycle,
00:36:45
Speaker
Ah, it's the helicopter. It cuts the helicopter's blades with his claws, too. That's because of the crash. and they get Then we get like the ah cool guys don't look at the explosion scene, where he just like walks away from it, where he blows up.
00:37:00
Speaker
Watch actually like he like yeah he does like the the Rambo to like I'm gonna get I'm gonna get you Murdoch striker and then like he just here was like is like taunting him even though he's like but impaled by like metal in a helicopter dying he's still being an asshole agent zero just didn't give a shit yeah You just want one more quick jab before you easily explode it. Yeah, Logan, like you like uses his claws to cause sparks and like caught like like the like fuel that like leaks in the helicopter to like blow up the helicopter. ah The gas trail, the convenient helicopter fuel gas trail. Which I think at the time in 2009 worked for some people just to be like, yeah, tough guy.
00:37:49
Speaker
But that explosion would have ripped that jacket apart. Probably. I guess Wolverine would have been fine. He probably would have had some shrapnel or something hitting him. Yeah, his nice jacket would have been torn up.
00:38:06
Speaker
but But then but but but but he finds out that dukes Dukes and Wraith are in Las Vegas. yeah they like ah Hang on, I guess, i think I think, well, I am like runs the boxing gym and then, uh, Dukes is like trying to work out to like, like get back to, to shape because he's not, now he now he is like fully the blob. Which is interesting that his superhuman power allows him to become superhuman fat. Well, he was was he was indestructible because he puts his hand in a tank turret. In the beginning of showing off everyone's powers, like that was like his like big show up show off moment for like the opening action sequence. He puts his hand in like the tank.
00:38:51
Speaker
Yeah, but now they know now they do like, yeah, he's the immovable blob. Like, well, like, like Logan gets just like hit, like Logan boxes him for some reason, because like, oh, like, William's like, oh yeah, box him. They'll, they'll make him talk. That's how you get information. I'm just gonna drink a Budweiser, a prominently shown Budweiser, and then watch, the watch you get your ass beat by the blob. Oh, I'm wondering if they thought about doing a Wolverine beer or something. I mean, there was there was a ton of titans in this movie for like that probably didn't pay off the way people thought it wanted to. do Like Papa John's, 7-Eleven, Chick. like What? That's what Wikipedia says. that There was a tiny merchandising word, 7-Eleven, Papa John's, and Chick. How's the Chick? Chick, like the razors. Oh.
00:39:46
Speaker
I don't remember. Do you remember like an X-Men Origins, Wolverine, and Razor? Oh, I'm sure it's probably like a, oh, three claws, three blades. Deepest shave. Forget about your, like, your pass. It'll cut as close as the adamantium. And then like, it's like we've stolen Wolverine's claws and coated him in shick, like gel tech, whatever they put on blades. Like, are they implying that they have enough adamantium to make shaving blades? Maybe.
00:40:19
Speaker
that was that was next That was like Stryker's next day. It's like, after we get a Super Soldier, we're going to be merchandising. We're getting to consume our products.
00:40:30
Speaker
But yeah, the big thing but big thing that Logan finds out from Wraith and Dukes is that there's a mutant who knows where Stryker is keeping all these mutants and where his base is, which is Gambitz. Ooh, another big like, hey, we finally have a Gambit. Yeah. so they they They blew their load on this movie. And we've and we've not had a live action gambit since. Hopefully, in the near future, we'll have a live action gambit. but I mean, I think they pretty much guaranteed no gambit in the Deadpool Wolverine movie. but maybe know tell kitchen my um come back Who knows? Maybe they'll be like a secret. Maybe it's one of those like ah that team that's in like the
00:41:20
Speaker
apocalypse world whatever it is but I think this is that this is nothing like another like oh what's hot 2009 thing cuz like Taylor could just like on Friday at lights they're like oh man yeah get him Friday lights guy get him in there
00:41:39
Speaker
Uh, you know, he's not terrible. I think like he's fine. It's just what happens. He's a script. He just he wasn't caged enough. You need to have like, you know, he just dropped some French phrases in there a little bit. Like, yeah you didn't say Mona me. He didn't say Mona me at all. No, he dropped a couple of like hard references. But that like it definitely like all the 90s kids watching this were like, this that's not gambit. He's not like he's not he's not talking from my gambit. Yeah, he's not my gambit. i says He doesn't have like the like the weird like chest armor. He's not wearing a brown trench coat. Well, okay. You don't need that because it's hard to explain why he would look like that in this realistic setting. Yeah. But having Gambit show up and then him to do this terrible like cat and mouse chase fight scene in the streets of New Orleans is just...
00:42:38
Speaker
so weird for like it has it has no purpose others need to like let saber-tooth escape for yeah for the final battle like it's just like there's no other purpose it's just show you that basically he's dumb like they're all yeah uh what about the scene now the atrocity that is wolverine shredding and a fire escape Which, yeah, there's so many scenes in this movie where it seems like they're trying to make it, like, seri- like, is it's supposed to be serious. But it looks like a Looney Tunes cartoon. Like, we mentioned the claws earlier. In this scene too, where he's just like, yeah, he's just like, he's like, rapidly slashing out, like, a ladder down to, like, make the gamut fall off like a fire escape. He's basically making metal confetti. Yeah. It's just like, they don't talk about that. You know, it's just like, oh, this happened, like, this Looney Tunes-esque thing happening.
00:43:27
Speaker
Yeah, they don't play as a joke. like it's got the It's got the dramatic action music playing behind it, so it's like, oh, this is serious. like He's trying to... This is a serious action moment. Yup.
00:43:42
Speaker
and Couldn't Gambit just like flip off? ah They show him, like he's got... I don't know if that's like a mutability in this universe, or like but he has like crazy like acrobatic skills. like He's right like running along walls, doing flips across alleyways and stuff. He probably could have just flipped off that like fire escape. but No, but he wanted to dance around and then just sort of hang out in his alley with a ton of witnesses, but then no witnesses.
00:44:17
Speaker
And then he's, uh, he has a plane, like, like, you like, uh, like, uh, misunderstanding fight. He's like, Oh, okay. I'll, I'll help you. I'll help you. Like, Oh, I got a plane. I can fly you to like three of my own with, cause that's where, that's where shaker basis is three of my island. Which where is that? I think it's it's off like New York somewhere. Yeah, I think through my island is let's say three mile island. It's in Pennsylvania. Yeah. So they flew from they flew from Vegas to Pennsylvania in like this. No, no. New Orleans. He's in New Orleans. yeah He's in New Orleans. Yeah. So they fly from New Orleans to Pennsylvania in this shitty, like shitty sea plane.
Climax on Three Mile Island
00:45:03
Speaker
And when was the ah like through my island like Meltdown or whatever. Uh, I think it was like a power plant. And then they basically said that, um, had a partial reactor crack. Yeah. Sealed it. And then they decommissioned the island because because it'll drive past it when you go to Philly. I'll just say, I'm shocked. They didn't like i imply in like, you know, like alternate history style, like, oh, this car this is what this is the cause of the meltdown is that they had like ah a mutant battle there.
00:45:36
Speaker
ah yeah they didn't say that basically that's what's caused the meltdown or something or else is the meltdown Yeah, and it as I'm so surprised that it was like, they so you set it through my island and then it's like, you don't like and like nothing already happened. Cause I was like the eighties 79. Although what, I mean, what year is this though? Yeah. Who knows? It could be, could be 79. Cause they got because of what did it. Cause they got recruited in Vietnam and then it was six years after Vietnam. So it's gotta be, it's like, yeah it's like the mid seventies or something. This could be, yeah, this could be a of what happened through my island and to be confirmed, like through my highlands closer to Harrisburg PA than it is.
00:46:11
Speaker
And like South PA, East PA. So yeah, that's why it's like something that I guess is more of a north thing if you're coming from Penn State, go through my island. um I don't mind, because it was a nice tie in. They really wanted to rope in all these states, make it a Wolverine national trip between Canada, America. It's a cool setting for like ah you a final battle, just like nuclear power plant.
00:46:43
Speaker
yeah But yeah, Logan gets there and he's fighting then the full scope, the full ridiculous scope of the plan is revealed, where Yeah, it was it was all it was all ah everything was all a scheme by striker and saber-toothed like trick Logan to like trick him into like getting the animatium injected himself and it was all to because they wanted to build weapon 11, which is Wade Wilson turned into Deadpool, but it's like because he's the pool. We said he's the pool of all these like mutant powers in the harvesting.
00:47:17
Speaker
And also silver fox is alive. And she was like tricking Logan because, uh, they're holding her sister who is Emma, but not Emma frost. According to like the producers, even though she has skincare confirmed, they're like, Oh, her name is Emma, but she's not Emma frost. I mean, it turns skincare into diamonds named Emma is not Emma frost.
00:47:44
Speaker
It's just another coincidentally another mutant named Emma who has diamond skin. Oh, us also we haven't mentioned they like shoehorned in Cyclops in this movie for no discernible reasons. He's just there. Yup. Young yoga Cyclops are kidnapped.
00:48:02
Speaker
Which it is in a Apocalypse, don't they get captured by Weapon X again? like Is it like isn' it like like Gene in Cyclops and all of them get like but captured again in Apocalypse?
00:48:14
Speaker
Which is not canon to this at all now, so. Yeah, I guess not. Yeah. Cyclops was like skin captured a lot. But yeah, whoever played Cyclops like totally unforgettable. Just like some dude. so some Some random kid. Yeah. And I don't know, his thing was like they wanted his powers because. They're cool. Just to have like. Yeah.
00:48:45
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's there's like there's no explanation of like how they're free because it's like I think Stryker says like the powers have to be compatible like or like they need like I can't I can't remember if it's like Wade's body is like the only thing they can like contain all of them or it's like they've certain powers are compatible with his body so they had to find like certain like mutants that could like they could put the powers into him.
00:49:08
Speaker
I don't know i cause it's because it's like it's like it's like Cyclops is like it's got Cyclops is I blast he's got the kill the kill while I yeah well i am it's still his DNA so he has like the blinky ability yeah ah he's got healing factor and adamantium from Wolverine but they inserted like blades in his arms yeah he's got Katana blades yeah but Wade didn't do that that's Like, it they didn't graph anything. They like basically inserted a katana in the hopes that it gets pushed out. Yeah, because yeah because because Logan already has claws. He just coated the claws in Animantium. It's like, where how they how is Wade slash Deadpool's katana blades getting pushed out?
00:49:50
Speaker
Then they also put a computer brain in him so that he can do something like was so guy damn stupid. Striker types on a computer, engage, and then that's like turns on the tool to go kill him. He has to be like a whole sentence for him for the line. Like it's a whole computer problem instead of a shortcut or something or joystick. and it looks It looks like he see like like his eyes are cameras too because like Stryker see like a POV from like Deadpool of like always looking at Logan. He says like engaged like like attack him him Deadpool cam. Yeah yeah
00:50:26
Speaker
so got and that man that that design is just so I mean obviously they made fun of it in Deadpool so like everyone else knows but like that design was so fucking terrible like the the mouth no mouth like the weird like weird skin like just pants like uh what was it also the um the eyes that will change colors like the the like mass part is baskets for and by the eye blast by his eye blast. Yeah, which is like, oh, don't even don't even try like. oh Yeah. Well, what's the point? And the no mouth because why not? Because because what's the because what is what is ah Deadpool's nickname? It's not the work with the mouth. No, he's the work with the baton arms now. Yeah. I mean,
00:51:18
Speaker
I thought it was like a throwaway line where it's like, oh, he'd be the perfect soldier, but not that mouth. And it's like, wow, fucking shit. He got what he wanted and he made a freak.
00:51:29
Speaker
I do, I do like that, um, I don't know if you use, but like Scott Atkins was like the, uh, like and anything that was like more complicated than like simple, like simple fight stuff. Was it Scott Atkins? Like all anything that was like, you know, crazy fight choreography stuff, all the flips and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He did a good job. Like ah some scenes are really hard. You can't tell. And I guess him and Ryan Reynolds have like a had a similar build back then. i'm I'm surprised right Scott Agnes didn't show up in like ah like a Deadpool movie yet. I have some like weird acknowledgment of like, hey, weren't you my stunt double? ah Yeah, just bring him in once. Just acknowledge it. even Even though people don't agree that Deadpool was bad, everyone agrees that butt Deadpool was terrible in this. Scott Agnes still did a pretty good stunt move. Yeah. And then that is the same grace. A few things about this movie. Very few.
00:52:20
Speaker
Yeah, so so we get so we get this, we have this final battle on top of like one of the nuclear silos or the cooling towers. where, for some reason, San Mateus is just like, oh, yeah, OK. Like, oh, my person can kill my brothers, me. And then they team up. And it's like, they're good now. Like, they're going to team back to being like, you know, war brothers. Oh, so they can do their special move, the back to back fighting stuff? The back to back, we did like World War II or World War I or whatever it was. Yeah. A tactic that only works if you have enemies rushing you. Yeah. It's like, oh, god, you can teleport. It doesn't work.
00:53:00
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah yeah you get like ah lots of like teleporting, lots of laser blasting. ah Logan blocks the blast with his claws, which is I guess is kind of cool. And then it reflects it back, but then like that like blows up the entire cooling tower. or like he It pushes him off the cooling tower, and then you may just like climb back up and slash Deadpool's head off.
00:53:25
Speaker
And then, but then he like, like weapon 11 slash depth will like falls down the cool tower that is like still blasting is all the way down and like, like, it's like, it's like ridiculous. Like he's like ah cutting it like in us in like circular slices all the way to the cooling tower. it Okay. So. So Shryker also, like he he puts the command for that. He's just like, all right, laser mode on. Do the, is Shryker there just putting like sentences, paragraphs of attack commands into Deadpool? or no Or do you just type engage? That was the whole thing. I'm just like, engage what? Just keep going until you're like literally incapacitated by like rubble and like your head gets cut off.
Aftermath and Future Implications
00:54:07
Speaker
Just always attack.
00:54:10
Speaker
Again, they they the perfect weapon was basically just a puppet and they could have done that with like a mech suit. Yeah, or like in like just like put it like an implant or something in like that was bright. Well, OK, so I guess they couldn't go too crazy because they still need to tie it in somehow to the Bryan Singer one of X2 of Shryker. Yeah, because it's like, oh, well, if I couldn't make mutants. I could brainwash them with Yeah, his son was in cryostasis, and it wasn't his son's powers that he used his son's brain juice to brainwash for snacks and stuff. I guess he didn't figure that out yet. Yeah, maybe not, because his son is in a freezer. Because I guess he was weapon one. Yeah, I guess so.
00:55:03
Speaker
um which just like again like yeah on paper, if they just sport that this part without really deviating to the saber tooth plot lines. I think that would have been better. Just sort of like, oh, hey, like we're, you know, come with me and we'll, I'll retrain you, like, I'll get you up to spec. And then they they study him to prepare him to be like weapon acts. And then they're like, okay, now we can move on to weapon 11. Or, you know, then it's like, oh, Like, wait, I thought I was your ultimate weapon. It's like, no, actually you were like a stepping stone. Do that. This is the ultimate weapon. This guy, no mouth, computer programmed. um You know, the ah dude we fit a bunch of parts together and see what works.
00:55:53
Speaker
ah It's like, I guess they didn't need agent zero in there because he yeah they gave him a gun. Yeah, like. Shryker is all about swords. Yeah, because like, like, when Wade does the sword stuff at the beginning, Shryker comes in and is like, yeah, you're the ultimate soldier, Wade. Like, so cool. Yeah, I think Shryker just really likes swords. He's just like a weeb, like a Kurosawa weeb or something. He's like, samurai's. I got all these katana stuff.
00:56:27
Speaker
Maybe. We discovered that his, like, wolverine was close, but it's like, man, I wish he had longer blades. And then, like, imagine he had three swords on a hand and it's out. No. Well, we make a guy with, like, oh, his katana on his hand. Fuck yeah.
00:56:44
Speaker
And then, i I love after the fight, ah like, Victor just was like, peace, I'm out of here. He just vanishes, and that's the entire explanation of, like, where Sabretooth has been, or, like, goes. We're hiding for maybe 30 years. This whole movie is all about, but about like, you know, their, like, brother relationship, and, like, their, like, battle. It's like, well, I'm out of here. Bye. Like, I'm gonna just run down this cooling tower and escape. I'll see you later. Sorry about killing your girlfriend. I'm gonna, I'm gonna grow my hair out and like start like doing like a PNEX or something to become Tyler made. It's not even P90X. It's like, I'm going to start like messing with wrestling DNA. Yeah. I'm going to basically, uh, grow an extra two feet. Yeah. And then all, all the cops, your kids escape because
00:57:35
Speaker
with help from a horrifically CGI-D-H, Patrick Stewart. Which we still can't figure out how he's able to walk in this. Yeah, because that doesn't fit in the tie line either, because first class he gets but paralyzed. like But that movie hadn't come out yet, I guess. So it's ah yeah and in the 70s, he was still walking. He just was off his. um and ejection, so he's able to do all this. None of that happened yet.
00:58:12
Speaker
yeah At least Midichorian count was like a low. Yeah, and in the movie the movie, those movies don't exist yet. so Yeah, that that just muddies things even further. like It's just like this the timeline of this original X-Men franchise is a mess.
00:58:27
Speaker
But man, that de-aging, I mean, people talk about like, you know, Tron Legacy and stuff, but like, holy shit, that Patrick Stewart is horrific. Yes, it is. Just hire another actor at that point. Yeah. I mean, and did they do it in ah last stand a little bit? But I mean, yeah, it's it's used sparingly. And I think there's not a big focus. Like there's no tight shots of his face. This they zoomed in. This is like right it's Patrick Stewart. He's back. And he's standing. Yeah. His face is like it was like it was like someone's like pulling the back of his skin off the the skin from the back of his head like pulling it back like like uh men in black style but like when Edgar like pulled a skin like loose skin man yeah that that whole all that stuff with like oh yeah we explained how Cyclops joined the X-Men for some reason the second this Wolverine movie all that and also all all these all these kids that were are are not actually X-Men and we're never gonna see that again
00:59:38
Speaker
Although I guess, yeah I guess one of them was, I guess there was ah there was a like a cameo for like a storm. Like when there was like a young storm in there, but then they cut it from the movie. Good. Because one of the trailers was like a, like a, you see like a so like young storm, but then it's like, there's no, there's no storm in the movie.
01:00:01
Speaker
And then we get the but well last last thing in this movie is Uh, the explanation for why Wolverine has no memories. Oh my God. Wolverine's one big weakness. Yes. Adam Antia bullets to the head. Which sometimes they will scramble your memories or they will blow holes in your head. Who knows? It's a mixed bag. Well, Stryker thinks, Stryker thinks he's going to kill them, but then his like, uh, scientist assistant lady is like, it's not going to kill him.
01:00:32
Speaker
And then he's like, well, it'll scramble his brain and look make him lose his memory at least. He's like, how do you know that? Have you done this before? And then he's it turns out he's right, but it's just like, how? He's not lucky on that. Because Wolverine's like, his skull is like, you know, adamant i mean it's like wearing like ah like the most the strongest helmet in the world. like I mean, can you just shoot him in the eye and get the same thing? Because it's like that's part of his head that isn't coded in adamantium.
01:01:08
Speaker
it's It's not like it's not like it penetrated into his brain. It's just like the shock waves of it like like made him lose his memories, I guess. Like it was like the accustom force of it. Is it right? I feel like he would just getting like he didn just have a bad concussion. Like he wouldn't like lose like his entire memory of who he was and who anyone was. like true it wouldn't be uh something that i mean unless he grows it he can't grow his brain back i mean it it it it was just like the the actual injury was like he had like two deads in his head field instantly so it's not like anything you penetrated in there it's not like he like lost like brain matter or anything
01:01:51
Speaker
But maybe the bullets launched in the spring? No, because they they they pop out. like it's They're like impacted like like so like little circles on his head and they pop out when he heals. So it's like they they didn't go into his brain. They didn't go to his head. They just like impaled themselves on his forehead. I don't know what his thing is then. It's such a stupid, like, random ideas like, oh, we we got to make him lose his memory. I don't know. He gets shot in the head. You know, then I would have done an explosion or something. Yeah. Something that blows up his head and then it reformed. Or have like, I guess that's not really your power, but like have something with like Silver Fox to tie her in and do something with it. of like make her Make him forget. Yeah, it was like yeah like forget this. like
01:02:46
Speaker
Because she just dies. And this is like all right that was and he then he like looks at her. He's like, who's this woman? I don't know. All right. ah I'll just leave her on the beach through my head.
01:02:59
Speaker
but okay so her front wolffriend or Wolverine gets found by Logan. And just like, hey. Wolverine gets found by Gambit. And Gambit's like, hey, what's up? And then he's just like, oh, shit. Who the hell are you? I don't know who you are. like Where am I? What's this, huh?
01:03:15
Speaker
And Gambit's just like, cool with his. I'm your friend, Gambit. We've got a whole reintroduction to do on the plane ride out of here. Yeah, we lot we got a long plane ride back to New Orleans. Although Wolverine just like walks off, he's like off a mail way, just like walks off. But it's funny, it's funny too, because like, you you see like, because Gambit's like, we gotta get out of here before the police arrive, but then like, you see as they pull out from that last shot like Wolverine like walking away like he he's like barely ahead of the police are there like I don't know he's got away from the police he runs into the river yeah I do I do like silver fox is like final like thing of like with strikers like there's like shooting about the shooter and then like she makes him like walk into his feet bleed I do like that
01:04:03
Speaker
And there's a mid-credits scene where you cut to him walking still, and then he gets arrested by the army. Because he stabbed that general with a comically large scalpel. It's like a medical sword. Yep. Again, Striker-like sword.
01:04:24
Speaker
And there's also an end-credits scene where you see that ah Weapon 11 slash Deadpool is still alive. And no one cared. Yeah. He's like, don't worry, my next movie will be much better than this one, guys. Waka Waka. Well, he just says like it's it's like his hands coming out and he finds his, it's like, severed head and severed head. His mouth is back open. He's just like, shh.
01:04:53
Speaker
which is like, all right, like, you know, you don't like having like to see like ah some sort of like Deadpool equipped, like he just like whispers weirdly. And the sad thing is like, that's all people has live action Deadpool for a while. Yeah, because because what was what was the first Deadpool movie like, 2000, or maybe 2000? Cause 16, so seven years, later seven years later when they got like actual Deadpool. A long time to wait. Hopes that maybe something would happen.
01:05:35
Speaker
Oh, I think we, I think we've talked about too, when we talked about a Hulk versus couple months ago, but I think we talked about like that, that anime movie came out the same year as this movie. And that was 30 minutes of that was like a much, like so much, a much more like coherent, like straightforward, like Weapon X origin, like Wolverine origin movie. Oh yeah. And also had like ah him fighting the Hulk.
01:06:01
Speaker
but But it had like better story. Yeah. And more of a like, okay, this would make sense as a, I got Deadpool, Wolverine meeting and fighting each other thing. Yeah, hit hit actual like comic book style Deadpool.
01:06:25
Speaker
But yeah, this this man, this this movie is just like... ah it so its just it starts out okay you're like it starts out you're like oh this could be cool like I like i like this opening credit seat and then it's just like everything after that is like it's just constantly is like going downhill it devolves so quickly and it also killed like because they were talking about oh we're gonna do like all these origins we're gonna like magneto origins and like all these origin movies yeah it's like I remember that and they were just like no we're pulling the plug on this but We're pulling the plug on those and we're also going to totally redo a kind of do like a soft reboot of this entire franchise and like go back to like young X-Men.
X-Men Franchise Future Speculation
01:07:07
Speaker
But yeah somehow they're like, but we still want Wolverine in it. Almost every other X-Men movie is still involving Wolverine. And they're not going to make any connection sense.
01:07:22
Speaker
Yeah, if you if if if you if try to like make this timeline make sense for this like thewa the the Fox Exo movies, it it like even from like movie one like like one to two, like there's like stuff that doesn't make any sense. like so Yeah, it's like the timeline is so screwed up. It's just multiple like the ultra timelines and the dark future, and then this movie, this X-Men version, we don't need to factor it anymore. It flicks with things we've seen in previous movies. and just like Hopefully the MCU is just like, you know, yeah, let's you know start fresh. Let's like make it like, basic basically just do like and like a X-Men 97 slash X-Men 94, button live action.
01:08:08
Speaker
with like like all with With like the team we know and just like ah so you a simple, simple classic accent story. There's something that is classic X-Men fights like a villain that we understand and and also no no conspiracy that basically is like a dumb conspiracy. Don't high stakes it.
01:08:32
Speaker
Who knows? Maybe Deadpool and Wolverine will address certain things even further. um That's the beauty about the future of Deadpool things is they can kind of make sense in its own way. But it so far, no one's complained about that. Though they do complain about Wolverine's, his like sleeves, no sleeves. We got to show the guns. Yeah, show him Jeff and his guns, man.
01:09:04
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't want like terrible CGI for no reason, just because they're like, oh, he's he's wearing sleeves. Yeah. I will say, I think, actually, Wolverine is like the most ripped Hugh Jackman's ever been for these movies. I think Wolverine. The Wolverine? Yeah, because there's that one scene in the in the The Wolverine, where he's just like, he's just like, flex, like every part of his body is flexing. Yeah, everything is veiny as hell. Yeah. like I'm fine with that. That is like, I think to me, like the best Wolverine look. um And it's the Wolverine story that doesn't have so many attachments. You're just like, okay, I understand this. So they still try to get into the whole like, Oh, maybe there's another cat, another scheme going on on top of this one scheme. And I'm like, why are you doing this movie?
01:09:50
Speaker
Yeah, they couldn't just like tell, they couldn't just keep it simple. There's like, well, we got to throw, all we got tied into the larger franchise. We got to like, we need cameos for people. yeah We need other X-Men in here. well People are going to come see it. It's like, I was proud that they didn't they didn't have the restraint to throw in an Xavier reference. a Well, they do at the end. But yeah ah but like not so much at the beginning. Or a Storm and Cyclops thing. They really were like, OK. But you know some producer was like, mention Cyclops. Make make yeah the Silver Samurai have Cyclops power for no reason.
01:10:34
Speaker
But, uh, yes, I think they'll do it for, uh, the six podcast. Uh, we're definitely, I think we're we're done both definitely looking forward to Deadpool and Wolverine. So, uh, hopefully, hopefully that, uh, I mean, if you're interested in this, that movie's out, but we haven't, I haven't recorded this before it's out. So we haven't CD yet, but hopefully, uh, it's a much better reunion for those, for Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman. And, uh,
01:11:00
Speaker
Yeah, hopefully, maybe maybe can get off the new era of X-Men in the MCU. We'll see, we'll see what secrets lie within.
01:11:10
Speaker
And yes, head headla we have news reviews, ah trailers, all kinds of stuff up on the site. ah If you're hearing this, I think also our ah it's going to be up or if it's not up now, it's going to be up soon. Um, which is, uh, Superman for the quest for peace. Another terrible superhero movie. We're just like, we're just like, we're just like never ending cycle of like terrible superhero movies or you say like, man, a web, this super superman for like other fun, easy watches. I don't know what I mean. What's, what's next? Electra like catwoman. Yeah.
01:11:46
Speaker
august yeah But yeah, that should be up. Either it's already up or it's going to be up very soon on the site, so check that out. And we'll be back next week with another podcast.
Conclusion and Promotion
01:11:58
Speaker
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01:12:19
Speaker
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