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The Transformers: The Movie (1986)
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With the first animated Transformers movie in almost 40 years hitting theaters this weekend with Transformers One, Zach and Chris return to the original for this week's Everything Actioncast and talk The Tranformers: The Movie.
Coming between the second and third seasons of the classic 80s cartoon series, The Transformers: The Movie is set in the far-off future of 2005, where the Decepticons have taken control of Cybertron. As the war between the Autobots and Decepticons reaches a climactic showdown, both sides are threatened by the arrival of Unicron (Orson Welles). This massive planet-sized robot devours planets for fuel. The guys talk about the brutal deaths of most of the well-known Transformers characters, the excellent soundtrack, the celebrity voice cast, Unicron's inner workings, and much more.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast week of September 16th, 2024. I'm your Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris.
Transformers Movie Discussion Begins
00:00:27
Speaker
And yeah, this week we are rolling out and talking about ah the 1986 classic, ah The Transformers, The Movie, um because if you're hearing this when it when this comes out, ah there's a new Transformers animated movie in theaters right now, Transformers 1, which is the first the first fully animated movie since the 1986 movie.
History and Impact of Transformers
00:00:47
Speaker
We've gotten all the all the Michael Bay movies in between the the time since 1986 and 2024 point twenty four and but all the reboots and, you know,
00:00:57
Speaker
TV shows and stuff, but yeah, as sort of as far as like fully animated Transformers movies, Transformers 1 is the first one in almost, what, 40 years? Oof. Yeah. But yeah, but the original one, ah tra the Transformers, the movie, ah yeah, Summer 86, set after, or it was between the second season and third season of of the original, like the 80s show. And it was basically, it was 20 years in the story, like so like season two ended and like 20 years later is and when the movie starts. So I'm just like, there was a huge time jump for the kids who were watching ah Transformers, like the the series.
00:01:42
Speaker
And then also, uh, if let me see, which we'll get to is like, you know, killed almost every character that these kids had like learned to love for the, for the, for the cartoon. and Because has ready to sell a new
Humor and Critiques of Transformers
00:01:58
Speaker
toy line. They wanted to like a a series two of toys. So every all all the series one toys either die and die in horrific ways. I'm in just like off screen or some like.
00:02:12
Speaker
you know, um, big finale. It's like as the movie begins, you're just wiping out your cleaning characters out like a game of Thrones. Yeah. I think, and then I think you mentioned like, before we started, it's like, it's like, it's like the transform, they realized that the weapons could like to be turned to like kill if they were just using one like stunned. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, Oh, okay.
00:02:33
Speaker
That's what you need to do. And it makes it seem like how is the war this like Cybertron has been going through a civil war for like what feels like decades. Well, I think weren't they were did they fighting for like hundreds of years before they ended up on Earth or like at least like. Yeah. So like did it seem like oh, maybe more because that's what happened in the original one. They left Cybertron and crash land on Earth and then they were buried in a mountain.
00:03:01
Speaker
So centuries. Yeah. So. The weapons for them were pretty advanced and you know what I mean? Like they just sort of figured out, oh, let's just hit them for once instead of shooting over their head or I don't know, shouting when we enter the room so they have time to run away. This time around, they're just like, let's just go for headshots.
00:03:25
Speaker
Yes, Megatron realized, like, hey, I'm a gun. but like I should kill people with my gun. did Did he actually do that in the show? Like, he became a handheld gun like that? I think i think he did.
00:03:41
Speaker
um and then like i think i think like in the movie. And I think it also on the show, like cause the movie like Starscream like wields him. but you shewar random So I think they did that ah sometimes on the on the ah previous two seasons of the show.
00:03:56
Speaker
But I think a lot of times Megatron was just like, he just never transformed to a gun that you see, like he just had like his like, because it you you couldn't deal with like the size difference of like, hey, I'm i'm a Walter P P3 eight or whatever he is, like whatever kind of gun he is. but So he did. he He literally becomes this like handheld gun. Yeah. bought And it's just like so jarring an animation for that. I was like, I don't remember this. And it's like.
00:04:21
Speaker
This doesn't seem right about mass size. The like robots here make sense where it's like, if you're this big, you become this kind of vehicle based on how big you are. Yeah. And Megatron shows up and he just becomes this handheld gun.
00:04:36
Speaker
That's why the later show like series made them like a tank or something. Yeah, the tank one is reasonable. It makes more sense. I mean, maybe it's arguably not as cool as, you know, original gun Megatron, but it makes more sense as like a giant robot. Yeah, that becomes the size of a car. Like, not not like a...
00:04:59
Speaker
I don't know, like I'm trying to think of the scale because no one really had like a ah scale of measurements because characters kind of change size depending on who they're interacting with. Yeah. And then if they need to seem like, all right, well, they're like a still a giant machine and then they threw in the kid and then they gave the kid a mech suit to sort of like make it easier to draw. Well, there's there's also a thing too of like the ah the like the cartoon ah TV series, like Everyone was like flying around, so it didn't, it was one of the things that was like stuck out to me of like, like, didn't make sense. So like the cartoon is like, the seps guys are all jets, but then everyone can fly anyway. So like, why would you need to be a jet? You can just fly when you're a robot. Well, okay. The movie does make it seem like not all of them could fly. That's why they need spaceships, but they're spaceships sometimes. Yeah.
00:05:52
Speaker
Yeah, you know the it falls apart when you start thinking about the logistics, but it's like whenever they're handy, everyone can fly. Even if things don't make sense, they're flying, especially near the end. And we'll get into that part.
00:06:04
Speaker
but Uh, yeah, just, I liked the beginning cause it's grounded. It's, it's pretty like, Hey, here's your basics. If you've missed that a bit, well, it's a rundown of some of the
Unicron and Movie Themes
00:06:16
Speaker
characters. And if you think this young boy is the same character from the other series, he's not now that ah n that character is a dad. Yeah. Well, I mean, the very, very opening of of the movie is like the cold open where i don't i don't have it Like, don't know how the like season 2 ended, but I'm sure it was like insane, going like whatever however that ended, and going to this movie and seeing like you know this giant, this Death Star, basically, show up and start eating a planet. it's like this is but This is where we started, it was like, this is the genocide of this planet.
00:06:54
Speaker
it could have been like a death star thing where just here's the laser it explodes but this is just like watching all these people panic Ron Lee and just sets the tone for like is this a kids movie like it doesn't feel like it no yeah yeah there like no there's like no hope like a ship fresh escape it gets sucked back into Unicron and explodes and die and like and then you see like like It goes even crazier because you go inside Unicron and you see like all the like you all the citizens, all the buildings, everything, everything just gets like ground down to like fuel for him in like his digestive system, I guess. He's free. You want to get into Unicron, which I still don't understand how he works.
00:07:35
Speaker
It makes it seem like they definitely looked at a Death Star and said, we want that, right? Well, he's, he's, he's like, if the Death Star was Galactus, that's basically what it's like. Cause he, he's a giant entity that roams space eating plants and then he needs to eat plants to fuel himself. Okay. Here's the, here's the crazy thing. And with inside himself, there are things that don't make sense for like for him to have, if he never expects like visitors, like It's not like they walk in and it's just a bunch of gears and like processing like tubes in him right for all the it's like a whole like it feels like an office space. He's got help. Always. There's like that room that's like his brain. Maybe it's like the chamber. It's all TVs on like an organic looking brain.
00:08:21
Speaker
But then he's also got like doorways and doorways. Like what is happening in your body that like you have maintenance like this? You know, like who's coming in your body and just doing like weekly cleanings or having key meetings in it? Well, there was, I mean, there was a couple, I don't know if there were issues in the first two of seasons, but there there, there were a couple like, you know, city size transformers. There's like trypticon, there's like a giant T-Rex that turns to it like a base. And then there's like, um,
00:08:47
Speaker
I think I get I get I get that. But Gavatron, I mean, a unicorn is like a planet. So yeah. What is happening inside of him that he has all this like like out coves and in sort of like office space and factory space that he doesn't have any minions until he like makes makes minions later from, you know, discarded. Yeah, it's not like he was housing minions in him. You know, like I thought maybe that would happen. And I kind of forget, like,
00:09:17
Speaker
Oh no, he just sort of just barks order and just sort of knows things are happening somehow. Yeah. And yeah and I was, I was getting, we had a mentioned voice by Orson Welles in his final performance. It could have been voiced by anybody. It definitely is just like, there's so much, like, I think people, but like just so much distortion on his voice and stuff. Like, cause he was just like, so like adam out of it and like, like,
00:09:43
Speaker
You know, probably like on Death's Door. We used to make away from this. And then, I think it was like the infamous quote where like he's just like, I voice a toy, I don't know.
00:09:54
Speaker
I'm playing a toy. I made Citizen Kane. Yeah. But it's, I mean, the yeah with all all the like the you know, audio effects on it, is it is like a really good, like, you know, horrifying, threatening voice of this giant planet.
00:10:13
Speaker
yeah it's like commanding and it's you could hear the uh the like bass that he had but i do i love my screams too like you're kind of just like screamed there once a while just like in like the it's like the air like block yeah or it's like energy or like air is flying out of his like opening i think it's like it's probably like energy or something but it's like it's like
00:10:40
Speaker
I thought it was just like an eye thing, it was just like a gaze. I don't know. He's got like a Sauron eye. I don't know what, because he's probably seeing through the galaxy?
00:10:55
Speaker
I mean, he see he seems to know where everything is at all times. Like he's like he's like he can see across the galaxy like the the ma the matrix leadership is there. Go get it. Yeah, I think that's what he could. That's what it is. But but that's what saying like I was confused by that because it's not like he had minions or like a report team or someone was like kind of giving them updates. It he just kind of like new things. He's like, oh, you failed me, Gavin Tron. This is already happening. um That just happened. How do you know already?
00:11:26
Speaker
ah he's He know was like, well, uh, you know, the magic leadership is Pat, like find this person. He has it now. It's like, what? Yeah. Like, how do you, how do use how you, how do you see like things are happening on earth or like other planets or he's just all knowing. maybe Maybe he just sort of can feel the galaxy.
00:11:51
Speaker
but then he couldn't tell that, you know, someone gets in him. Yeah. If if you get in him, then like, but with the only thing he has for defense is like, he's like kind of like flimsy arms, like claw arms that like kind of like yeah arms in one room, only one room. He's just, he's just like filled with water for some reason or like some sort of well and like coolant or chemicals or something. But that like, that like flows out of it, like some somewhere at one point.
00:12:21
Speaker
maybe that doesnt Does that make him sick? Does that affect him? Who knows? It's like his stomach acid.
00:12:31
Speaker
But yeah, but he yeah so he the opening of this movie is him devouring a planet ah with like, and just like, you see see all these like yo so robot citizens just like unable to escape, they're all being killed, and it's just like, and then like, it's the visticola is like scores, it's like pumping and like making it know even more dramatic, and it's like, wow, this is how we're kicking off this ah children's toy movie. like what like it Like, this society being destroyed.
00:12:59
Speaker
And then then then then it's like it's like that and it cuts to like the Transformers deep song. Yeah, it just screams at you. It's like Transformers! Was Galvatron ever a toy? I mean, not Galvatron.
00:13:16
Speaker
Not in like the time period. Hasra made him into like a super highly collectible, like a couple hundred dollar toy, like recent years. It's like seven hundred dollars. Yeah. Unicron? But I'm thinking like at the time, just because they made Unicron and it's like, OK, well, check out those like villain and you can't have them yet. Like you basically wait two generations for a toy of this. And it's like.
00:13:44
Speaker
You know, if you're like really hyped about this movie, you get the hero set and then don't you get the villain set?
00:13:52
Speaker
yeah it it had no No one cares about the citizen set, the citizens that get sucked into him. Yeah. Who aren't who apparently aren't Cybertronians, they're just from there's robots from another planet because they're not, it's not Cybertron.
Transformers Universe and Plot Details
00:14:04
Speaker
They're like a peaceful planet. Yeah. And nothing to do with that thousand new year war that's happening.
00:14:12
Speaker
But I guess, but that this movie proves that in the galaxy, it's not like, I guess like, what is it? It's it's like, or it's like mechanical is organisms are just existing. Yeah. It's like, earth is like the only plant that has like organic species on it. Every other, every planet they go to is robots. It's a, it's Transformers.
00:14:39
Speaker
That's why I'm kind of surprised. I was like, Oh wow. So it's not like they're in a certain sector of space that everything is just robotic because the planet has been colonized and now it's like different territories. It just makes it seem like every other planet that isn't in the solar system, like the earth solar system robots. But the movie makes it seem like I don't, I don't know where everyone is in space.
00:15:09
Speaker
you know like the Yeah, I don't mean the moon, moon bases, earth, Cybertron. cyber you know Cybertron and Cybertron has two moons. And we find out from the opening narration from like, I think, I forget who it's.
00:15:24
Speaker
Um, oh, Victor, Victor Corolla, who did like all he did all like the narration for the show. He has that great like Transformers voice that you like. If you've seen the show or seen the movie, like, you know, like, is like, was it's like the Transformers was set to God to take it over. Which is like, one that war. Yeah. So, yeah. So in, in a time span between the end of season two and the movie, the subsequent, yeah, basically one.
00:15:54
Speaker
the war, they take they took over Cybertron. Autobots are like, they they have the moon bases and they have like Earth, they have like Autobot City on Earth.
00:16:05
Speaker
And yeah, and then like, yeah, like bumblebee and spike with Mickey, who's like the, the, you know, the transfer is like made human ally are on like one of the moons and office. I think office is on like one of the moons and then, but then they had like, they gotta make like a fuel run because they need, they don't have enough energy to like attack Cybertron and try to like take it back.
00:16:30
Speaker
You know, I'm also confusing. So during this movie, I had a flashback to maybe a random episode I might have videotaped of Transformers, because I think the first time I saw this movie, I taped it off a like USA Network.
00:16:46
Speaker
Um, and I think they were doing is they're playing random episodes leading up to it. Cause I remember like watching this movie with other things happening. So it might've been from like the first, second season. So, so they later, they later aired the movie, broke it up into like five episodes, I think. And there was a weird wraparound segment of each episode where Otis was like, like there was like a kid who was being bullied or something. And then Otis would be like, I remember a time I fought a bully, the biggest bully in the galaxy.
00:17:16
Speaker
Unicron. I died in the story. Yeah. one And then they cut and it so that that's how they like broke the movie up is like these like five episodes. Okay. like i didn't buy telling my story like Yeah, i don't I don't think I've watched that one. But I definitely watched one in one episode where they're stacking energy cubes. They do that all the time. yeah But then like, I think two or three of the characters, which I think are the Autobots, they're wearing lab coats.
00:17:44
Speaker
Okay. You know, it's a random detail that just stuck in my head. Cause I was thinking as a kid, like, why are they wearing lab coats? They're, they're stacking Energon cubes, like, you know, pink cubes. And then like decepticons show up and like blow the cubes up. And I just like all that effort. And they also had to do like biggest all lab coats.
00:18:03
Speaker
Well it's also, cause like Decepticons need Energon too. It's not like they don't, it's like they don't need Energon. They should have just, so they should have stole the Energon instead of blowing it up. Yeah. I, I forgot what happened, but it's one of those things where like they couldn't kill the people. So they did the next best thing, which was cool thing for coolest explosions. But like you, you expect that's going to happen in the movie and it's not, it's like they're on a kill mission. The Decepticons were just like, we're going to fuck those guys up. Well, if, yeah, cause they fed, thanks to, takes the sound wave and uh,
00:18:33
Speaker
is the is the be I think it's not Ravage. it's a
00:18:39
Speaker
or Is it ah Rampage or Ravage? I can remember like i could never like sound waves like tapes, but like his his tape who is like a pterodactyl or like a bird? Oh, I think it's Laserbeak, I think.
00:18:52
Speaker
But he flies to the Autobot base and like records them, you know, I'll just probably tell him like, you gotta fly the shuttle to Earth and like get us, we need energy. And so then Megatron's like, yeah, let's go kill them all. Let's go kill this, kill the shuttle crew, let's go to Earth. And they do. Yeah, like he, it's like, it wasn't just like a, you know, an MP, like it's not like kill them, meaning like put them on like, you know, knock them out or like,
00:19:20
Speaker
Deactivate them. It's like they are getting blown to pieces and dying and like I think like prowl like his eyes like turned to smoke and he's just like it's like It's like a close up of his face. He's just like it's like burning it from the inside dying Oh, it's the equivalent of speaking someone's light turn out like yeah, yeah, so fucking horrifying for a kid Yeah, just didn't understand and every time they see like a broken toy now. It's like they're gonna feel bad But then the like the craziest thing about all i'll obviously ah like this scene and all the other scenes is just like you're seeing horrific things happen, like these like beloved characters. And then but in the back, it's just like like hair metal is like thrashing. like Yeah. So confusing. I think it's like instruments of destruction is like the song of that sequence, which is like, yeah.
00:20:09
Speaker
we like He's like characters that but kids like have like grown to love for two seasons of a show. It's a very bold move. It's as if like, imagine watching X-Men 97 and in that first episode, just all the main cast just get wiped out. And then they just start with a whole new set of characters. Or yeah or so yeah or yeah if they made if they made a movie, like if like if you had two seasons of like the X-Men original series and it's like, oh, we're making a movie. And then they kill the entire team. Now, here's your new team.
00:20:45
Speaker
at least x-men the comic series made sense when they had to get new characters where like the original like group got kidnapped and it's like okay shit we need like a backup team and we need to like we need heroes now and it's like our call in our backup guys that we just met along the way That, that builds up. But in this movie, it's such a hard, like everyone, new introductions. Have you remember, do you remember Magnus, ultra Magnus? No. Well, he's here now. Like, do you know hot rod? He's here. I'm like, what? Yeah. Love these. RC in the season two. RC was introduced in this movie. So she shares RC and you're going to see a lot of her. Like, what is this? So yeah. So, so hot rod cup, ultra Magnus, RC Springer.
00:21:31
Speaker
are all new I think I think blur maybe I think yeah blurs now yeah so they're they're all new that that's the new like these are the new characters that they want to sell us new toys so that's what that's so that's why they're to make characters this movie well like and then they keep are like cup like the old like yeah former in the group he's got he's got like always like all these like ancient war stories about him fighting on other planets and stuff It's just like, oh yeah, I just didn't come to this battle. Like I've been, we've been doing other things. So it may seem like the the war for earth is just not like on their list. Yeah. I had this Mandela effect too, but I thought like, uh, like Ernest Borgnine was cup, but it's, it's Lionel standard. It makes really good. Ernest Bournai. But yeah, he sounds like Ernest Borgnine. Yeah.
00:22:25
Speaker
That's the thing about the movie too, it's a one time you get like big name actors in the Transformers roles. then after it's like it's that you know You go back to like your the standard the the good the great but standard like you know voice actors in the 80s. I don't think a lot of these Transformers came back.
00:22:45
Speaker
Did Cup come back for like season three? but Yeah, I think that like they were the they were the main cast for like season three. Oh, that's why they got shoot this movie because like we got so we got so these new toys. These are the new characters for the the show. But he wasn't my i was like Ultra Magnus was a voice like Robert Stack in the show after this movie. Imagine you just stuck with that. Like, yeah, I've like Larry Nimoy, like Judd Nelson just stayed on the show.
00:23:19
Speaker
I mean, it was obviously because like like the movie cost like 5 to 6 million, which I was trying to find. I couldn't find any sort of details of how much an actual like a season of Transformers cost in the 80s. But I feel like this had the cost at least. like They're spending like the equivalent of like at least one season or two seasons on on just one thing, on one 90 minute movie, which is why the animation is so incredible.
00:23:47
Speaker
it's It's pretty good. like Certain sequences are very bold and daring just to do. i mean definitely like Between like the voice cast and the yeah the animation and the music, i mean they went all out. It didn't really pay off because it barely made
Autobot City Battle Highlights
00:24:02
Speaker
it to that budget back. like I think it barely broke even.
00:24:07
Speaker
which is Which is not what you want to do when you're in movies and theaters.
00:24:16
Speaker
But yeah, but I think definitely I think the highlight of the movie comes like 20 minutes in, which I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but um where you get like the huge you get the huge like the battle of Autobot City.
00:24:31
Speaker
which Which is like where you see this kind of like your last chance. It's like all the like a bunch of like the g like the G1 like or season one and two Decepticons doing stuff and. um a lot of the other like and every day they get kill a megatron like the first that horrific general attack are around still for a little bit this battle sideline yeah but then but then this is like the the big like you know at this prime it's like it's it's sort of it's like um more the rings where it's like the you know the the two towers where it's like look to the east
00:25:03
Speaker
And Gandalf shows up, like Otis Prime shows up, and when the battle is his darkest moment, and then he just comes in and wrecks everyone. To the touch, dude sandwiches the touch. I'm wondering if they all hear it too, like like he's He's blasting out of his truck's like radio, yeah. Megatron's just like, is that the touch?
00:25:33
Speaker
Which yeah, yeah they they they they use their they' two big Stan Bush songs within like the first 20 minutes. They use their and the touch.
00:25:43
Speaker
Which i always I always go back, I don't know, I can i can never like decide which one was my favorite song. I don't know, do you have a favorite with those two, Chris? Touch. It's a touch? I think just because I heard that a lot more and it it like transfers more. You can play that like in a lot of different situations.
00:26:01
Speaker
Yeah. I got second life in Boogie Nights. and In a weird way. Yeah. yeah i mean definitely wait When I hear that song, I think about about this i got this prime. you It's like blowing everyone up.
00:26:20
Speaker
Which, yeah, he so yeah yeah he like wipes out like all um almost all these other guns. And then he he ah mega tried to have like their big like final battle.
00:26:32
Speaker
Which Otis is going to win until Stupid Hot Rod shows up and is like, look out! it's like He's like, look out Otis, he's got a gun! like
00:26:43
Speaker
And then, like, because Otis holds back, he's able to you one hit ah Hot Rod, like, he's able to, like, blast Otis, like, five times. and But then, ah he gets, like, he's,
00:26:56
Speaker
I'll just right manage to knock him off a like a giant high ledge that like critically woods Megatron, I guess. Okay, that goes back to our conversation about everyone could fly. Yeah. Everyone could fly. Why is falling and fall damage a problem? Yeah. why I have a big question about like how damage works in this universe because Um, I mean, later on, the ultra madness gets blown to pieces and it comes back. So it not just gets like shot in like the chest, like, uh, like in like the side. the If he was like a human, it'd be like, uh, like he'd price, like that would be like a torso shot. That probably would just go through like, like fat. He wouldn't be, he'd be fine. It'd be like a through and through, but like, but yeah, he's dead because of that. Uh,
00:27:49
Speaker
Maybe that matrix thing helps him withstand it. That's the difference. Well, it doesn't help him because he dies. when he he He has the matrix and he dies. Well, I guess he gives he gives it to Ultra Magnus and then he dies. But the thing is, Ultra Magnus didn't utilize it. Yeah, because he could it. Yeah. but And then like Cupkits, Cupkits is like like an arm and a leg ripped off and he's fine later on, too. Well, you can rip hair because it's not like OK. Yeah, you're right. like They're not inorganic material. It just seems like as long as you can rebuild the parts, you can do it. I'll just have internal bleeding. That's why he died. Internal oil leaking. but They couldn't turn them off and then rebuild them and turn them back on again. like I don't know. like Maybe you have to hit them like right in the core?
00:28:43
Speaker
like they're like robots you could b blow off all the limbs but if you don't kill them from like if you don't break like there's they're all spark in them yeah I don't know but okay before we go into that same logic optimus get shot like five times in the chest He does like an uppercut to Megatron who falls and then is like, mortally wounded also. Yeah, Megatron's just like, don't leave me, Soundwave! Like, what? You fell from like a- He fell from maybe two stories? Yeah, he didn't get any sort of like- Yeah, he didn't get shot or like, pretty damaged. Like, he just fell. Yeah. He just got punched in the chest. Yeah. So that's why I'm looking- again, damage is just bizarre in this movie. Yeah.
00:29:33
Speaker
But yeah, the whole battle, like everything before, not just in that battle, it was great too, like a little, like, Devastator, you know, just like, forming and smashing the city and them loading, like, the artillery shells and stuff. We gotta move, like, the big artillery shell, and then... I also love, like, they make it, make you, like, feel how long that battle is, because it goes from, like, night to day and then night again. So it's like, it's like this, like, hours-long, days-long battle. Well, Prime is coming from the moon.
00:30:02
Speaker
He's coming from sight. Yeah, which also it's like how long is that? Is that journey the journey take? and also And it's also like they're able to like broadcast like just random radio messages from Earth like blasters able just like turn into a boot box and be like, yo, I'll just proud get down here.
00:30:24
Speaker
Which is not. I don't think. Blaster get killed or like get guy because he's not around for like the rest of the the yeah movie So I think he also gets killed and he's like an OG But that perceptors the one they keep It's like one of the guys that survives like the one the guy the guy the guy turns to a microscope is like the the like the transformer you want to keep around like like You're not gonna kill off that toy. You're like kids kids love microscopes Like obviously the dino bots you're gonna keep because everyone the kids love the dino bots
00:31:02
Speaker
they're And they're definitely my favorites. like I love the Dinobots.
00:31:12
Speaker
Although i think I think the only one I had was... Actually, I don't even think I had Grimlock. They made like ah another Grimlock that was blue, but it wasn't Grimlock. Which I had that toy. It was like the exact same it was the the exact same mold, it just was like it was like a blue Grimlock, but it was like a different dinosaur.
00:31:34
Speaker
Uh, yeah, like I'm not trying to think like, did I thought Grimlock also formed like something too? They, they, yeah, they, they, they, weren't they, didn't they weren't combiners. They didn't combine into like a mega dinosaur. I figured they would cause it's like, okay. Cause like destructor Devastator was like a bunch of guys that.
00:31:54
Speaker
The constructor cons, yeah. Destructor cons, yeah. They just sort of. But here's the insane thing. Destructor cons were all like ah construction vehicles, construction guys. Yeah. that's like So it's like, does everyone name their thing based on whatever job that Earth had? I mean, you set the cons are all insects. There was like, I'm trying to think of some of the other like combiner bots, but I yeah think i think they were all like, it was like,
00:32:21
Speaker
the race bots or whatever, like the racer bots are like, but then it's like their subsect of already their group. I think, I think, I think copytron was what maybe and they were all like computer related robots.
00:32:47
Speaker
I don't know. There's like, there's a lot of weird and like, and and some of the, uh, like, I don't think they're interested in this movie. It might've been like the season before the movie, but like there's like the triple changers who could like, they could change it like two different things. So like, you know, like Astro train can turn into a train or a spaceship. And then like Springer Springer in this movie is like one of the new characters in this movie can turn into a helicopter or like a Jeep or like a truck or something.
00:33:20
Speaker
And then everyone like when um when Megatron gets like more like like Astratrains like the one like like all those guys like get on the Astratrain like flee and like go back to Cybertron. I thought like just being the train would been like an Autobots thing. Yeah, that's like that. That's a weird. Bad guy like the such guys should all be like play. They're they're mostly planes. They're mostly like planes and like guns.
00:33:46
Speaker
And yeah, and then like an evil boombox and like an evil, like, whatever, whatever shockwave is like an alien gun. But like, I figured that like, if you're, I think Soundwave is still would have been, it's still an odd choice that he's a bad guy, but I guess because you could spy with like tape decks, that's sort of evil.
00:34:07
Speaker
Oh, I do love in this movie, too, like in the movie, too. think think I think I've done in the show probably as well. But like when but the tape, the tape robots for each other, but they like both they both like unleashed their they're like tapes, many the the like microbots that they have in them. Wait, but I forgot about like good sound wave. Whoever that guy was. Blaster. That's blaster. And then, yeah, who the hell is like mini guys? I yeah, I know. I don't know any of the names of like blasters.
00:34:38
Speaker
but they kind of show up and then they're kicking ass. They're having like a small robot fight in that dome. Yeah. I only know like, like i for shock, what like sound wave, like rumbles, the one that I can like has like the pistons that can like make an earth wave. There's two of them. There's two, there's two. There's yeah, which I guess I don't know the name of the other one. And then I think ravage is the the cat, the drag wire. And I think laser beak is the bird. And then I don't know if it's other like, he's like, it's like little like hype men guys come up and just like,
00:35:06
Speaker
Yes, that was the best. He's the leader now. That scene is so hilarious. The subsequent is funny to see who's going to be the leader. After Starscream dumps Megatron out into space. It happens so quick. It's like they turn on each other so fast. Yeah, Starscream is just even more so than on the show. He's just such a giant dick in this movie.
00:35:30
Speaker
okay but I Uh, cause conserve fuel to get back to Cybertron. So you dump like the jets and Megatron, and then they have a bit, they have a fight that because everyone wants to be the leader. And then Starscream somehow wins that fight. Even though he's fighting like Devastator and Soundwave, like people he all like and kick his
Galvatron's Emergence and Autobots' Trials
00:36:11
Speaker
ass. But the thing is, I guess like they all couldn't, come like Devastator couldn't combine. And then I guess Starscream also has two guns on his hand. So it gives him the idea.
00:36:20
Speaker
But yeah, but starting somehow wins and then he's like coordinating himself king of the sub gods and then we find ridiculous when he gets calls himself king because he gets like a crown and a cape. and It's like, why do you need this? Why is this a thing on Cybertron? Because he's like an egomaniac. who just like It's like, who made that? Yeah, that was just there's just lying around. Megatron has never wore it.
00:36:49
Speaker
But yeah, but but but Megatron and the other, like I think it's like Skywarp and Thundercracker, the jets that like got injured and dumped out of the ship, they all end up facing Unicron. And he turns them into their new like they do toy forms. Galvatron and then Scourge and Cyclonus and all these minions of a Unicron.
00:37:13
Speaker
And then we get the the awesome scene where Starscream is Crying Stealth King and then Galvatron shows up who and then who's supposed to... Leonard Nimoy is voicing Galvatron. So Frank Welker kind of like exists in the movie as Megatron, now it's Leonard Nimoy. But I think Frank Welker comes back and the and the when the show came back, like Frank Welker was like Galvatron. So... You just sounded just the same. It's just a weird like, we got Buddy, we're playing Leonard Nimoy to be a robot for a movie.
00:37:41
Speaker
But yeah, he's the way he like blasts Starscream and Starscream just like disintegrates is great.
00:37:48
Speaker
Oh, that's so like subtle, like of what happened exactly. And then he says like disintegrating. Yeah, I do like that. Yeah. and it's it's It's like mine the details of him. Yeah. he Like just turning into like ash and just like silly, just like dissolving the wind. Yeah. But then there's a great thing that happened like later in the show. And I think even like Beast Wars where he like there's this whole thing of like Starscream being a ghost.
00:38:14
Speaker
what Like he shows up like it shows up in like the season after of the movie is like a ghost. And is I think there's episode of the Beast Wars where he he like shows up like um like possesses Laspinator.
00:38:27
Speaker
and like because he's like his ghost cape went back into the past or something and possessed Waspinator. So there's this whole there's yeah there's this whole thing of Starscream's ghost just flies around the universe and like like possesses people and like just yells at people and stuff after he got disintegrated in this movie.
00:38:50
Speaker
Interesting. You became a force spirit. Yeah, an evil force ghost.
00:39:00
Speaker
And then the, uh, after Altos dies, the Autobots kind of split into two different groups. Um, so you got like, it's like Hot Rod and Cup and the Dinobots are on one ship and then RC Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Daniel are at another ship. And then they, they, both groups kind of go off on their own separate adventures for like the entire middle of the movie.
00:39:31
Speaker
where like the the Hot Rod group ends up ah facing the Kautessens, or the one Kautessen who's like ah this judge of this weird planet where they dunk people, like it's like sentence people to death by like dropping it with like a shark tank. But the sharks are all robots, obviously, because it's Transformers, they're shark takons.
00:39:53
Speaker
And then the other group ah ends up on this junk planet, and they end they like face off against the Junkicons, who are led by Eric Idle. And then that's where we get Dare to Be Stupid by Weird Al playing. It's so jarring just because in this planet, it's such an ugly looking like vomit color.
00:40:13
Speaker
Yeah. And the music video is so poppy and you think it's going to be some like almost like comedy skit, but you don't know where that it's going to go. Like it just because the tone of the movie so far is death. Like death lurks around in every scene. Yeah. Cause the joke, the joke has like emerged from like the junk like zombies or it's like coming out, there's like ah a merging and just like attacking like the Autobots. It would have been cool if they said, Oh, we're like,
00:40:41
Speaker
survivors of the previous wars or. Yeah. You know, we were part of Cybertron, but we broke off to like live peacefully and junk. But you don't you don't you don't get an explanation of junk of junk planet. No, not at all. It's just like it makes it seem also like junk planet is half of that junkyard, that Mad Max style junkyard. And then the other one is like the insane like tentacle monster one. Hmm.
00:41:08
Speaker
with the shark people, the shark, but they're like two separate planets. It doesn't look like it. No. Yeah. And then the the thing about the junk cons is that they apparently get transmissions from earth and that's how they learn like the speak and because like they speak in like TV catchphrases. I do like that. I do like their, like their call on the battle is just like,
00:41:32
Speaker
You have money back guarantee. Yeah. Like cool clips like that. It's so stupid. I love it. That's the only reason second I can think of like why Weird Al was like put on them because Weird Al, you know, obviously but a lot of his lyrics and stuff are like references like TV. So like his song isn't like it. No, his song is about like doing dumb things. And yeah, like it's referencing like Mr. Whipple and like Winnie Nichols and stuff like that. So that's like.
00:42:02
Speaker
like we Talked about TV a lot in the 80s. I mean, it's like in a movie, if they had to do a scene about like, I don't know, a pie fight and someone dropped a song about like, car repairs, you know what I mean? Like, okay, it's a catchy song, but What does this have to do with, like, the, like, pie fight? And I feel like Weird Al had, like, TV-related songs they could have used. Like, they could have used, like, one of his, like, songs that references TV more, or something. But I don't think he had a lot of original songs like that. Or have him have him write, ah like, a Transformers song. yeah He knows how to write music. Do they just not believe him?
00:42:43
Speaker
He just chooses parody songs as like easy things for him to do. And it's like, he's the master of it, but you you get wear out. You don't get a wear out, like parody songs. You get his original music, like but it doesn't fit the scene to me. Like it just sort of like, it's attractive. Yeah. Well, cause dare to be stupid. The album came out like the year before this movie came out. I guess that's why they're like, it's so hot right now. Let's just put it in this movie. And this is what it feels like. Yeah.
00:43:12
Speaker
Oh, so it's also like it's also something like ah it's a D.V.O. parody, but then that also doesn't make sense for the movie because the movie's all hair metal.
00:43:21
Speaker
Yeah, the original D.V.O. song is was just not an original song. It's like it's like an homage like all D.V.O. Yeah, it's just how they do their beat. Like it sounds like Whip Whip it. Yeah. But I actually thought it was D.V.O. for a moment. I was like, oh, no, I think we're not like Remembering this movie, it's like, Weird Al was part of this. Oh, and you watch the Weird Al movie, like, do they even go into this error? Where he's like, he made a song and it's in it and it's just like, unhinged?
00:43:54
Speaker
What, like, you like, you like UHF or something? Not UHF, just in that Weird Al movie, biography movie. Oh, no, they don't reference Daredevil stupid at all, I'll take.
00:44:10
Speaker
Well speaking of UHF, it's kind of a similar thing to UHF, where it's like, I guess it makes sense because it's related, but Beverly Hillbillies is a song from UHF, but it's not really, they force it in about, to have Al go to sleep watching Beverly Hillbillies, and it's like his dream is the Beverly Hillbillies music video. That makes sense.
00:44:37
Speaker
Yeah, great, great, great radio song. But yeah, definitely like just totally out of place compared to like always like kick axe and like NRG like it's the destruction like like ah like actually um all all these bands are lying always like heavy metal 80s like hair metal bands. It's like weird house there.
00:45:04
Speaker
And then the ah yeah how our storyline is is um interesting, because it like later later in a show it like the the quintessence has become like super important. like you find out I think in the season after the movie that you find out that they're the ones that made the Transformers like the entire Transformers race was made by the quintessence but in this movie he's like it's just not one weird character that is like just like thrown in there it's like judging these judging these people like in like a you know kangaroo court and just like dumping him into this like tank of shark robots yeah the robots eating robots because it makes it seem like they're not animalistic robots I mean they have the properties but
00:45:45
Speaker
they're soldiers. Well, it's, if they, I feel would be better if they didn't transform. Yeah. Cause like robot sharks, they were just robot sharks. It would have been, yeah. But then it's like, they transform and there's like, they're also just, there's also such just transformers. They're just people. They're just like, Oh, Hey, uh, we don't want to do this anymore. It's like, what? This is a choice. And then like hot Like Hot Rod, well Hot Rod Cup are able to like, they skate by like making like a whirlpool. Cause like, I guess they're the they're the only ones in the history of like whatever's been going on that can transform into cars. well it's So they drive around the robot. but Yeah. That's the thing. So like, how does a car do that? Drive underwater. and And the sharks are like surprised. They're like, Oh shit. Like there's, they're driving and then somehow the,
00:46:34
Speaker
They couldn't catch up to the car people who can make a war or like ah work me in there. Yeah. they're Like centrifugal force of war pool and like to jumped himself out of the pool. But then there's like, Hey, you guys, should eat you you should eat those guys instead. And they're like, Oh, you're right. We should, we should say it's like this, like, like planet wide rebellion and the to eat like they're overlord.
00:47:01
Speaker
like i think like Cup or something's like well, I think this plans to be all right. Yeah it like no you start a new problem Yeah, usually you just unleash these like like ravenous shark monsters like unfeder across the world. Yeah Well, I guess the shark people don't know how to fly a spaceship They should have brother. They should have brought up with them Like if they have like not if the shortcuts are like on their side now just bring them you have sharks and dinosaurs like bring bring everybody and It's been funny if like that's what kills Unicron, it's just a whole bunch of sharks. He's eating it like a piranha style, eating it like piranhas, yeah.
00:47:41
Speaker
But yeah, they they sort of leave, but this ship that they like take is like super unwieldy. Oh yeah, both ships they get eventually are like insane. Like they get like a, one is like made of all, one for the drug plants is just like a trash ship. Like literally made from like pieces of trash. And then yeah, like Hot Rod and ah Cup and the Dynamots get like, ah yeah, it's like corkscrew. It's a structure on the planet, but it's like, they're like, their new friend Wheelie is like, no, that's a ship.
00:48:16
Speaker
like Also, where's Wheelie come from? He just sort of just shows up. he's he just lives that He lives on that planet. and he's like ah He's like a kid robot. He's like a kid transformer.
00:48:27
Speaker
like grilock like ah He's like a normal looking robot. Everyone else is sort of like a mutant or something. which which for that reason That raises the question of do transformers, like do they grow? Or is it like? Or are they built? Wheelie is just like, yeah you're you're ah you're a child robot. That's it.
00:48:46
Speaker
like
00:48:51
Speaker
He's he's kind like ah kind of like Dennis Domena style, because he's got slingshot. like He's messing with people. But he also, like everything he says rhymes. I mean, it's catchy. But I think by the end of the movie, he stops talking.
00:49:09
Speaker
there's a lot of A lot of the Transformers in this movie that they like have some sort of like vocal gimmick. like Grimlock always says, me Grimlock. for everything he says and then wheelie, wheelie rhymes things. And then the blurs, like obviously jama Shida, the microshreens man. So he talks super fast and hopefully he's on cocaine. Yeah. I kind of forgot that when I, when I saw blur for the first or heard blur for the first time, I was like, Oh man, I know this voice. Yeah.
00:49:42
Speaker
Which I don't, I don't know if he, if he, if he, like, I feel like he would have come back for the show. Like, I mean, he was busy making Micro Machine commercials.
Final Battle and Unicron's Defeat
00:49:53
Speaker
I think it was also, was he FedEx, I think, too? He he was in a bunch of ads like in the 80s. He was all over the place in the 80s.
00:50:06
Speaker
But ah ah eventual yeah, so eventual eventually all of that's like, they reunite after their random episode adventures. And then they they kind of like, go for like one last assault against Unicron. I think they they've they like each group kind of vaguely hears about Unicron like I think like the the Ultra Madness group finds out just because like Galvatron's like I'm working for Unicron like give me the give me the Matrix leadership because like the Matrix leadership is the only thing that can kill Unicron apparently so he wants it. He says that I think he says that before because then like he kills Ultra Magnus who just falls apart. He hits him right in the sweet spot where Ultra Magnus just becomes a pile of junk. Which that that's what like we were talking about earlier about like damage. like that that That seems like a fatal damage. that It seems like you got exploded. like You should be dead. But then the junk guy's just like, oh, we'll fix him. It's fine. and like Money back guarantee. They like rub grease on it, and then he just comes back to life. Yep.
00:51:05
Speaker
I'm like, oh, take some of that magic grease and just rub it on Altemus. But he he loses the Matrix. We all try to get to the Matrix. And he's like wearing it like a... I think he must be from Starcorder. He's wearing like ah like a rapper like bling necklace. He's like wearing it on his neck.
00:51:23
Speaker
And then he's like, well, I have the Matrix, I'm going to control Unicron. he you You answer to me now.
00:51:30
Speaker
So that like but I don't know, but I'm not sure how that works. Like does the matrix control all the robots? Does, does the thing have unlimited power? We have no idea. The matrix just makes it seem like you're in, you're just the leader. I think the matrix has, it's got all the knowledge of every, all the previous primes in it. So you, you, you gain, you get a much knowledge. And then it also like the person who's like, is like chosen to open it is is like the new prime gets like a power boost.
00:52:01
Speaker
Makes sense. Because Optus Prime was ah like, he was like Orion Pax before he opened this Matrix, and he opened they was like chosen by the Matrix, and then he became Optus Prime. and As a side note, I wonder if that's going to be um brought into the Transformers movie. Transformers 1? Yeah.
00:52:23
Speaker
Well, they're they're doing a whole thing of you like you can't transform until you get like ah some sort of like special like spark or special power or something. Because they can't they can't because they they can't transform, and then they go like visit, like like I think, Lawrence Fishford, like Sentinel Prime or something. And then he's like, here, you can transform now.
00:52:51
Speaker
but it It is it is kind of weird like that like the truth the truth which refers one are like showing basically the ending of like how this private megatron fighting each other Yeah, I saw that that that feels like that either either that's the beginning and they're flashing back to like well It wasn't always like this or that's the ending But if it's the ending it just like obviously yeah, but I feel like I thought they're going to delay it not
00:53:22
Speaker
Oh, I think, so we were talking about like, so yeah, Galvatron wants to use the Matrix against Eutokon, but I think this is what the point when we, he goes back to Eutokon and is like, I control you now, and then Eutokon's just like, oh yeah, I'm a Transformer to a robot! He does it without actually commanding it. Normally, so Transformers say something cool, they do it, but Eutokon just does it. And also without the, you know, the classic Transformer sound, because it takes so long.
00:53:52
Speaker
Yeah. Although I wish they had made a super bassy, extended version of the sound when he was transforming. But yeah, there's a lot there's a lot of pistons grinding and like gears transforming and the but yeah turns into like a planet-sized transformer.
00:54:12
Speaker
Yep. And like it's funny because when he does that, i I guess like it doesn't change the space around him. He's just as big as a planet would contain. I figure like at least that movie play like his transformation plays into just all right. He's a big planet. So it turns into a big robot. I think I've been hilarious. If you became big planet, small robot, like like he became like the size of like Galvatron. I'm going to fight you man to man. No.
00:54:48
Speaker
no but i do i feel like i do love he he heaps his size then you get to see him like mashes cybertrop with his hand just like like just like hitting the planet
00:55:00
Speaker
so to be like well i'm gonna i'mnna kill everything now
00:55:06
Speaker
I still don't get his goals besides eating other robots. Yeah, I think I think he's just like a galactic style like he just yeah his like he just has to eat the like power himself and then he's just he's just going around the galaxy just like eating everything, eating planets.
00:55:29
Speaker
But ah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah ahll yeah, they all yeah about to show back up and get the big foul battle. They smash through his eye, with like and then um are inside of him, and then if we get a whole bunch of stuff where everyone's kind of split up inside of Unicron.
00:55:46
Speaker
And then Hot Rod fights Galvatron, and then He how about gets the matrix back and then he, he is apparently the chosen one, even though he was like directly your li like responsible almost for not just prime's death. Like he is the, he's the new prime. To be fair, not everyone knows that. Right? Like the only witness was himself. Yeah. It wasn't witnessed by everyone. It was just like optimus and him and then Megatron. So.
00:56:20
Speaker
It wasn't like they went, oh, we we don't believe you. You're incompetent. They just think, yeah, you're new to the team. You don't even have a toy yet. Well, we're definitely trying to do like, like he's like the Luke Skywalker of the of the movie. You're like the, the Neo, like he's like, you know, the, the, the chosen, like the new chosen one.
00:56:42
Speaker
And then he becomes Rada's prime. Like he basically becomes like a, like a hot rod Winnebago.
00:56:52
Speaker
And then and then because because he because he's able to open the matrix, the matrix destroys Yudacron from inside and he's just like, you know, blowed up. Before that, though, we we get a sequence of the other robots running around in Yudacron. Yes. And you get like this is really cool sequence with spike and it's like a first person view of what it's like to like get a water ride through unicorn oh we also we also get so yeah daniel dale finds because early wait like within like what the first like 10 minutes like spike got like sucked into like spike and bumblebee and a bunch of the other like uh original characters that sucked into unicorn and then we get the the crazy like spike like is he stuck to the plane he's just like oh shit what so and danny danny's the one so spikes kid danny
00:57:46
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, Danny survives that waterfall that ends up in the like melting robot part of use a cron, which is horrifying. Oh my God. Yeah. Like he, so yeah apparently like, yeah, you're crying is just like all the captured robots. He's just like dunk, put dunking him as like acid or like lava or like some sort of like super heat metal just in the melting down. And you see like two, two rows before, uh,
00:58:10
Speaker
Spike is, there you know, you come to that like giant bucket, you see like two dots fall into it and it was like, they're melting and you see the entire process of just melting and they're like, I'm just like screaming agony as they melt. But the way they designed this like mechanical operation of dunking robots, it's so inefficient, you know, like it's open vats that need like door hinges and then the like robot carrying system.
00:58:38
Speaker
Yeah. They're like, they're like an elevated conveyor belt and it just it's just like moving them across and then dropping them into the like the the bucket or like the spelting Yeah, like bucket whatever it is it's like a chicken processing faculty. That's it. Yeah. It's so just like, okay, so does this place have a supervisor? What's going on? Man, I wish I would. Yeah. I wish there was so just some, some like lame, like just like stupid robots. It's like working inside a unicorn that can't transform or just like, just like worker bots with like hard hats on. Yep. Just like making sure other robots are getting melted so they can make coffee basically.
00:59:22
Speaker
Daniel rescues them and then it's like bum i think Bumblebee Jazz and Cliffjumper survived the like the like genocide of the G1, like Season 1 and 2 crew ah being killed off.
00:59:41
Speaker
and that yeah then that Yeah, then Hot Rod yeah destroys Ucon with the Matrix. um His head blows up and Or like his whole Bible is up in his head. He's like flying around Cybertron, which I think I think there's a storyline later on that like they brought that back or they did something with his head later on because it's it's just obvious of like his head still out there. Open for blood device. Yeah, come back. You got come back if he's going to float around there forever or he's going to land on Earth and do stuff. you know Yeah. And now the Autobots have
01:00:16
Speaker
take control of Cybertron, so they won the war now. They they won back the war. And then the subsequent guys that are under Galvatron end up on this, like, I think in the next season they're on this planet called like Char. and there's like It's like this like lava planet and they're like striking them from there now.
01:00:37
Speaker
I just like that. ah The main war thing, I guess, was like them trying to Uh, like fine
Cultural Impact and Comparisons
01:00:48
Speaker
all year. It was, I guess between optimus and Megatron, right? And then I think certain seasons, it was like, okay, there's not enough power because that's why they need energon cubes. Like they were harvesting them from earth. Well, I think, yeah, I think they need both sides one energon to fuel their like war on Cybertron.
01:01:05
Speaker
and they find out there's like, oh, Earth, there's so much energy on here. like We can like use the field of war effort. And also, this kind of stuff may be like, why take over Earth? Because it's so energy rich that they can take over that and like have like unlimited energy on to take over like everything. Right. And they just never learned how to like farm. like All these planets did not learn how to farm things.
01:01:31
Speaker
it must have It must have been a later thing, too, because I feel like in like but Like it must have been like season three or four of the cartoon. they They make like a space bridge between like Cybertron and Earth. So it's it's like instantaneous travel. So they don't need to like fly shuttles back and forth. Oh. that's Because it's definitely not in the movie. But I would solve so much of like the distance and fights and like who's on where.
01:01:58
Speaker
Cause that was the thing. Did you ever, did you see the, uh, like Netflix, uh, like CG series? The war for Cybertron. Yeah. The war for Cybertron stuff. Nah, I heard it's good. Yeah, it was good. Um, but like one of the, I think it's the first season of that show. There was like the big like climax thing was like they're trying to take control of the space bridge.
01:02:21
Speaker
Was that your kid friendly too? Or is that just sort of like, that was, that was more like, that was like more of like aimed at like older transformers. like Like if you're like, like, Beast Wars, 90s kids who like grew up on Beast Wars, 80s kids who grew up on G1. Gotcha. I say that just because some of the heavy themes for Transformers, I just didn't think about it until this movie. And then they'd never done it again.
01:02:47
Speaker
Oh, I can, I mean, you know, there's ah there's always this talk about husbands, like scarred kids. I can totally see us scarred kids who saw it. and Like if you, you know, you're, you're going to the movies, you're like, I don't know, eight or 10 years old. And then like you love transformers and you just see them all just like multiple transformers is dying horrific deaths. And then you're like, you're, you're like your childhood hero out of his prime, just like getting brutally murdered. Not brutally murdered, injured, and then passes away on it. like Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:17
Speaker
turning turning black and it's like, well, why is he the only one that does that? He's the only one that like turns black like that. Yeah.
01:03:28
Speaker
But I guess I guess there like there was a ah giant letter writing campaign because, you know, it's pre-internet that you couldn't just go on like social media, like tweet at Hasbro or whatever. It's like write letters to them. And eventually, like yeah there's so much backlash, so much like letter writing. that I think it was the end of season three. They had like a season finale, like ah two or three partner where it's like the return of Otis Fry, they brought him back. Just to mess with fans again, like, hey, he's back, but we might kill him off in the next movie. It definitely was not another movie ah like this. It also affected the G.I. Joe movie, because the G.I. Joe movie came out, I think, same year as this, or after this. And then it was it was there was so much backlash to the Otis Fry thing, they were like, Well, but because they were going to kill Duke. too They were like, they were going to do the exact same thing of like, we're going to kill all the you like ah original GI Joes that were like, we'd choose like the first couple of seasons that we're going to choose new GI Joes. We're going to kill all the old ones. And then they're like, it's all the backlash to the Transformers. And we're like, oh God, we can't do that now. So so Duke gets gets put into like a coma at the end of that movie. Because he gets like stabbed with like a serpent or like a snake, snake spear or whatever.
01:04:45
Speaker
So one thing I do admit this movie does for me is that because I watched this a lot as a kid, like on USA, usually the movie after this or the next day was the G.I. Joe movie.
01:04:57
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I will say the GI Joe movie, I feel like, has i like a way better opening. Because they basically do like the, like it's like it's like it's like a giant version of like the like opening intro sequence. I wish, like, this movie definitely could have used like a you know a super high budget version of like the like Transformers intro to kick it off. Oh, yeah. Because it's just because it's just it's it's like it's the like the heavy metal like Lion version of the theme song, but it's just like credits after after like the Unicron opening sequence.
01:05:28
Speaker
And it could have used like, you know, it's like a ah sort of montage of like Transformers actually happening while the Lion theme plays. yeah
01:05:38
Speaker
I was like, that like Lion had to come up with like, or they think of like lyrics for the theme song, because the theme song was only like Transformers, basically, like born meets the eye. That's like the only lyrics. Yeah, yeah. And they, it's only supposed to be like maybe a 20 second song. 30 seconds. Yeah. Yeah. And this is like, okay. It has to go on for like two minutes. Especially for the credits because he plays over the credits. It's like, Oh yeah. You need a couple of like a three minute song for this 30 second, like intro secret song. It's like a actual song. It's like, we just repeat more than meets the eye five times. Like you can, and you need more words. You need to express like emotions and feelings. Yeah.
01:06:17
Speaker
It should have just been like one of those dumb E.D. songs where they start to say like, Hot Rod's my friend and Megatron is bad. Oh man. Yeah. I wish I wish it was like a like a explain the plot song that would be great.
01:06:33
Speaker
Or a rap. I guess I guess I guess we were in the era of rap. Yeah. Because like if it was like a couple of years later, we would have got like the Transformers rap at the end of it. I'm surprised Batman 98 didn't get a rap song at the end.
01:06:47
Speaker
E9, yeah. Yeah. E9. Well, I mean, that was Prince. It was all Prince stuff. And then and then like the Michael Bay movies was like Linkin Park. And ah early house music. think was it I think three had Paramore.
01:07:09
Speaker
and then And then they got new metal or something, or heavy metal, because they had like ah I forget who was like in like the like it was like four or five guys like I think we were still there but they had like other like they're like, you know, like hate breed or something. was song for the transform movies so It's like, all right.
01:07:31
Speaker
I haven't I haven't seen if the ah I'm sure I'm sure the Transformers ones gonna have some sort of version of the Transformers theme. I haven't seen any other like songs for that movie. You think they're going to bring in the new Linkin Park for it?
01:07:45
Speaker
I mean, that was ah those was like way after the movies were already like filmed and ready to go yeah before they came out. so Just this sort of like an apology, like Usher comes in with a boombox and just plays that song at the end. It's like the surprise for single, it's like the Transformers song.
01:08:05
Speaker
but What's that um movie like Metraopolis with like someone like ushers to come in and like read a cue card or something? Oh the Francis Ford Coppola movie that's coming out? Yeah there's like one thing that the in order to watch the movie someone someone from like the staff had to like come and like be um like a live character to explain something it's like part of the the experience. Oh geez.
01:08:32
Speaker
And the Cannes films, when they were filming it, like they had to do it for each session. And then they're like, okay, well, how are you going to do this for like, like what world ride distribution? They're like, we'll figure it out. They got to bring back that, like how ah Dave Lynch's Dune had, the they printed out that pamphlet and of like, here's what Dune is. Like, good luck. Yeah, but I think it's like at certain points of the movie, like it's someone comes out and does this while like a music number plays. So it's like a very like,
01:09:02
Speaker
opera esque wow yeah's yeah they're definitely doing that for like a regular likes reading i mean you can imagine that was just a standard and it's like all because maybe like transphobis and like someone in the the usher to come out and like expand like the parents where it's like hey just letting you know these this is what's going on these are good robots these are bad robots sometimes they look alike you got to really pay attention to like the purple logo Yeah, there's, there's, there's, I mean, there's an iteration, but the narration is still like, that doesn't make any sense unless you watch the
Complexity and Final Thoughts
01:09:35
Speaker
show. Yeah. It's super heavy on you watch the show to understand like why this is robot or bad and why these ones are good. and there's there but on And when you go to like this other planet, there are other robots, but they have nothing to do with the other robots. Yeah. There, there's no attempt to like try to onboard like casual people of like, Oh, I've heard his transforms. me I'm going to go see this movie. It's just like, no, if you're not like,
01:09:58
Speaker
fully integrated into the world transformers you're gonna be like totally lost about what the hell is happening I mean for me like I had a look up online like say like what happened before the 20 year mark in this one and yeah it there's a little bit of steepness to it well that that's actually like the fact that it takes place like 20 years after like season two ended and your search like there's like 20 year time jump oh I'm sure even though even the kids were like obsessed with transformers probably like wait what it's 2005 now
01:10:27
Speaker
This has to go over Cybertron. Yeah, and then like Earth is just still made out of like the woods and then you have a city in the woods. Autobot City. That's all you have.
01:10:39
Speaker
I do like how um even though the the Septicons come to Earth for an attack on Autobot City, Earth has no response. There's no like. Oh, yeah, there's just no like.
01:10:50
Speaker
United States apparently is like nothing, nothing to say except for all about the city. There's no governments. There's no like human forces that like, we're, it's like, we'll, we'll help you Autobots. You're we're, we're your allies. Like, yeah, ah like you're it's like, you're on your own. Yep. We stay out of our towns. You keep this fight in space.
01:11:14
Speaker
It's not about saying its own country, or is it in a country somewhere? I feel like if it's in a country, it should be like... If it's in the United States, the United States should be like, this is like an act of war. You're attacking a sovereign city in our country. Sovereign citizens in America. I don't know. It could be in America. It could be like Norway. I don't know. We have no idea.
01:11:45
Speaker
Yeah, um any last thoughts?
01:11:50
Speaker
No, I mean, it's I i love it. um It's it's definitely, you know, there's some dated parts about it, obviously, but just the the music is still incredible. Like the all all the songs plus the physical theme is just like a scores incredible.
Comparisons to Michael Bay Films
01:12:08
Speaker
The animations are great. And there's, you know, that That whole like auto butt the Autobot City like attack up to like Athens Prime dying is probably like one of the best Transformers things ever.
01:12:23
Speaker
i think I think just a chunk of like the touch sequence where like Athens Prime shows up and like is like destroying Decepticons is like so good.
01:12:37
Speaker
I mean, I feel like the movie kind of peaks at that moment because it's because's like it's 20 minutes in the movie, but there's still a bunch of fun stuff afterwards. Yeah. It's a shame that it didn't do well initially, but I think like it's deserving to be a cult classic. I think the soundtrack is still pretty fun. Like it just feels like a great music video. I mean, it pretty much is just like music videos, sequences, it's like
Podcast Teasers and Engagement
01:13:01
Speaker
strung together. If it rises a lot of like heavy metal, where it's just like, oh, just like is that really There's no dialogue, it's just like action set to like these songs kind of struck together loosely.
01:13:15
Speaker
Especially when there's like jarring juxtaposition of like other kind of comic comedy scenes or like they go do something and it's like another problem but it feels like there's just no time to explore that.
01:13:31
Speaker
It's definitely especially when they go to like Cybertron and then they see Starscream having his own like coronation.
01:13:41
Speaker
And mean it's it's still definitely one of the best like Transformers movies like compared like the Michael Bay movies like. Yeah, it suffers from I mean, it's better than some of them. I think I still like the first Transformers. Yeah, the first Michael Bay movie is good. Dark of the Moon is has its moments. The third one.
01:14:02
Speaker
like to the falling. It's just bizarre. Yeah, to mention the fallen aging station last night are. Some of the worst we've ever seen. I think last but last night is probably like. I had to like think about it, but I mean, if it's not the worst we've ever seen, it's probably like it's definitely top three. And then Bumblebee and. Rise of the Beast are pretty fun. and
01:14:32
Speaker
And then we'll wellll then well we'll to see how Transformers 1 fits in there.
01:14:40
Speaker
But yeah, I think that will do it for this week's podcast. Come back next week. We're going to be talking about ah the Equalizer. It's celebrating its 10th anniversary. So we're headed back to the first of the Denzel trilogy. And stay tuned as well. We're going to have our monthly commentary up as well. We're going to be watching Timecop.
01:15:01
Speaker
the Jean-Claude Van Damme classic, which some we somehow have never done a commentary on Ticop. So we're rectifying that ah mistake this month. And Ticop is celebrating its 30th anniversary. It came out in 1994.
01:15:16
Speaker
And, um, so we're watching that. So I think both of those will be up next week. So so come back to the site for those and you can have a site, check out all of our other stuff that's up there. We got a, but I got, I got a review of the killer's game, the new debits movie that didn't really do well that at the box office, but I have a review of it because I, I was like one of the few people that saw it. It's pretty fun. You can see like, I feel like I've seen this on Hulu.
01:15:42
Speaker
i yeah i don't know if you either yeah I don't even know if you need to rush out to see it. um Definitely have a hit streaming, I would say. Definitely check it out, especially if you're like an action fan, because there's just like so many like fun action people in it, like Scott Atkins, and Marco Zarrar, and ah like um feel Terry Crews, a bunch of other people. that like ah um Everyone seems to be having a blast. You're playing these insane characters, and you're just going over the top and and having fun.
01:16:12
Speaker
So you can have your site read that and all the other usual stuff up there as well. So that will check all the stuff out. And yes, for Chris, I am Zach and we will see you next week. For more for Everything Action, head to www.everythingaction.com. You can also find us on Facebook at facebook.com slash everything.action and follow us on X at Evieaction. We're also on Instagram and threads at everything.action.
01:16:41
Speaker
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