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Sleepy Hollow (1999)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris try not to lose their heads while discussing the 1999 Tim Burton movie Sleepy Hollow. Loosely based on the classic Washington Irving short story, Johnny Depp plays Ichabod Crane, a police constable from New York City in 1799 who is dispatched to the small town of Sleepy Hollow, where a series of bizarre murders have taken place. Trying to use new scientific methods to solve the crime, Ichabod slowly realizes that there is something supernatural occurring and has to turn to less logical methods to stop the killings. Zach and Chris discuss the fantastic gothic atmosphere, Christopher Walken's insane cameo, the homages to classic Hammer horror movies, the convoluted conspiracy plot, and more.
You can watch Sleepy Hollow on Paramount+ or AMC+. Next week, we're getting meta and discussing Wes Craven's New Nightmare, which is celebrating its 30th anniversary.
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00:00:03
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Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:19
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast for the week of October 7th, 2024. I'm your I'm your co-host Chris. And yeah, this week we're trying to not to lose our heads because we're talking about the 1999 Tim Burton movie, Sleepy Hollow, um which actually celebrates its 25th anniversary next month. But there's a 25th anniversary 4K steel book out this week, so that's why we're talking about it. And it's also just for like yeah you know for spooky time, this is like one of the most perfectly, you know if you want that creepy, gothic, fog-strewn, dark woods kind of tone. This is the like perfect movie to watch.
00:00:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's a classic Halloween tale that's like a, definitely a, um, I guess like a regional story, but sort of became a national story. So like I, cause like, as someone who grew up in New York and her like read about sleep, the hollow did not know it was in New York. You know, it's sort of the, like, you think sleepy house, some fantasy, like,
00:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, they made it up. They made it up, especially the name. Who's OK with sleepy? I mean, I guess now it's associated with creepiness, but it just sounds like a sleepy tree town like like hobbits live here. yeah Yeah. I mean, like it was a fantasy realm. Sleepy Hollow would have been like a fun like gnome village. Mm hmm. But and now it's like completely like two words together like that. Now you think like a gothic, like pilgrim-esque town.
00:01:47
Speaker
But yeah, so obviously it's the 1820 Washington Irving short story, The Legend of Sleepy Hollow, which has seen many annotations, including like the, I think probably most famously before this Tim Burton one was the Disney, Ichabod and Mr. Toad double feature.
00:02:04
Speaker
And then we got to like the, uh, the, the bat shit insane Fox show like couple of years ago. Yeah. So later on, they're like, you know, it's been enough time, sleepy hallow. You know what we should about sleepy hallow making the X files turn to a procedural of the week, but in the future. Yeah. what
00:02:23
Speaker
and then the Hell's Horseman, I think the Hell's Horseman like disappears, like like some some part, I don't think I ever, I didn't know if I should be watching, I don't think I ever watched the fourth, but like the fourth season, but like, because they killed like the like, like Ichabod's partner, and they got a new partner, but then I think, but like the Hell's Horseman like disappeared for like see like, a couple seasons before that or something. That sure got so weird. I mean, you could tell that the premise was running out of pace than that just because CB Hollow was associated to some degree. If anything, the movie should have just been called Inkabob Crane or like- Yeah. Hell, it's Horseman or something. Not even that because if he leaves for a good portion of the series. I'm just like- Oh, the show. Are they talking about the movie? Oh, no. This this is different. I'm talking about
00:03:12
Speaker
Well in this movie it's really just about Sleepy Hollow so we're back to the basics where it's like you have to come here. like It actually is about Sleepy Hollow and all all all the all the residents and all their you know shady doings. And it's not like some ah bonkers like Tim Burton S thing where like Ichabod Crane opens a door, ends up in another world. That would have been like his version of Sleepy Holland. I bet they were like, you can't do that. It's Eldritch. I mean, there is other, and I mean, there is like doors, alternate universes or like, mean I think actually literally hell in this movie. but That's what I'm saying. I think fucking Tim Burton was just like, Oh yeah. like
00:03:48
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I was going to go through that tree and he's like, no, no, no. Yes. It's yeah it's bege just like we got to have a a door to tree. That's my thing. like See what I mean? It's like someone was like, we saw a fucking number. Just get back, ah get get back here and make a grounded semi grounded base in science, like Sleepy Hollow for three thirds of it before we really bring in more people. Yeah. Or no.
00:04:17
Speaker
I'm sorry, because the thing is, it would have been fun if this movie didn't actually have supernatural elements. Supernatural thing, right? But because I viewed this movie as actually not by a detective story. It's a really good mystery because it's just so convoluted.
00:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, so yeah so yeah, so it's it's it's loosely based on the original storyline. i mean There's like, you know, the setting and, you know, the fact that there's a Hell's Horseman, the character named Ichabod Crane. But other than that, there's really not a lot of connections to the original story. It's this it's this whole big conflict, like somewhat convoluted mystery murder, like murder mystery slasher movie. ah And you're right.
00:05:01
Speaker
Yeah, love story, but right ri and right right off the bat, like just the fact that like it could buy crane is this, um, you know, a police inspector who's trying to bring forensics into the world. And, but it's still, it's, you know, it's it's the backwards world of like 18, you know, the 1800s or 1799. So everyone still is like the copter is like beating people senseless, like locking them in like torture devices and.
00:05:27
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Oh, evidence collecting wasn't a thing. You happen to be standing next to the body or guilty. So that's that's that's a fun like element of it. Ichabod has all these, you know he's got all these like scientific gadgets and instruments, but then there's the fun bit where he's also just like super squeamish about everything. So he he wants to like investigate bodies and like try to like solve these murders, but he also just hates blood and spiders and digging into things. so I mean, honestly, half those things make sense to you if you are a regular person, but yeah, kebab is a cop who wants to like, yeah, he wants to like, ah you know, evolve the like crime scene investigations and crime solving. But then he also, he's come with all these gadgets for like, to like, you know,
00:06:17
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do like ah autopsies but then he like hates doing autopsies and the hates blood and hates like yeah like anything like even like remotely gross he's just like you no don't want to do it like no I I see that like I like that he is squeamish for basically the whole movie yeah not like he has some sudden
00:06:41
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change like yeah i do like that he doesn't become like a hero like like a like a superhero action hero yeah yeah action hero they're like they kind of keep it grounded with like let's see a fun like meekly johnny depp and that's another thing what a weird choice for ikabob crane right like in in terms of like the timeline it's like oh yeah giant depp's gonna be ikabob crane like what do you remember that it was like jump street's gonna be I mean, I mean, he's like, however many like, like, you know, Tim Burton movies in like, true. He's like, he's like, he's like, uh, like to, to, to, to, to Burton who's in like, and what an intercessor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But no one saw Edward to be fair. Like, yeah. But I love that. Yeah. it's Really good movie. Um, but yeah. Cause I guess like when you think
00:07:38
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horror movies. Giant Depp wasn't in any like horror movie. Name an album street, but that was the eight. Yeah. I'm like the nineties later where he was. What was he up to genre? What was he up to? Like the night night, like that 99 era. Nice gate. Chocolate.
00:07:59
Speaker
Oh no, you're right, you did 9th gate. 9th gate for your loathing was like the year before. Yeah, yeah. Johnny Brasko. Some mom movies. And then it's like, 9th gate was kind of different. Yeah, I definitely forgot about 9th gate. It came around the same time. It was weird that like basically two years after he was in almost like a very similar movie, like from hell.
00:08:20
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where it's like, you know, got gothic mystery. Essentially, that is Ichabod Crane again, but now instead of like... Without Tim Burton's like, you know, whimsical gothicness. Yeah, yeah. From hell, is such it's so disappointing because the comic is okay. And then like in the movie, they try to translate it, but then they did like other things. And Johnny Depp essentially is playing another like Victorian cop. Cop, yeah. Trying to solve um a series of murders, yeah. Uses like a little bit of science and reductive reasoning.
00:08:49
Speaker
um But yeah, no, that's I'm like, oh, they, they definitely saw someone saw sleepy. How I went. That's who we want. Give me Johnny. yeah Yeah, but yeah he's basically he's basically banished from New York City um for trying to like for daring to bring science into like criminal like investigations. So he sent to sleep hell to like try to solve their like, Judge Christopher Lee, who is like, it's like ton like huge building in the credits. But this is like, this is like literally his only scene. You blink and you're missing CNI.
00:09:22
Speaker
Yeah, but that was like, that was part of like, you know, Tim Burns, like trying to like oh pay pay homage, like hammer films guys, like Christopher Lee is like Dracula in all the hammer films and like, and he also appeared like other, I think it was i be in more scenes than if you he should. Yeah. he I mean, he should have been like one of the sleepy hollow, like, you know, a mayor or something. Yeah. Like something there's so many people on that console of random white guys that like Christopher Lee could have stood out from that. Yeah.
00:09:48
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I mean, they had Palpatine on there. they ah Yeah, I know. Dooku and Palpatine, I guess they haven't been too much. And Alfred. Alfred was there, yep. Yeah, so like, it's a Timburger, Tim Burton regulars. Also Gandalf, I think, because like wasn't Michael Gambon like the second Gandalf? Oh no, ah double door.
00:10:11
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Dumbledore. Yeah. He took over when the British Harris died. All they would have thrown in there was Christopher Lee and that would have been like an awesome super nerd of like 18th century white dudes. We also got like, it was like a, this was like a kind of Phantom Menace like thing too. Cause they came up with the same year, but Ray Park is the stunt performer for at the swordsman.
00:10:37
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Do you remember the marketing um for this? Where they way they didn't reveal Christopher Walken was the headless horseman. Yeah. Well, the marketing too was like a lot of like, hey, you liked him in Star Wars and now you'll like him as like the headless horseman guy. And then they showed like the, or like some of like the, ah like TV, like previews or like special, you know,
00:11:00
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sneak peek. And one of them was like, we were on set with Ray Park and he's wearing like the outfit. He has the highest head and dude like the axe swinging. Well, they didn't, I believe they, it was like, maybe he wore a blue hood and then they like, they edited out his head. That's how he did like, did that sort of stuff. Not all of them. He did the classic, like, like the, what, what Casper van Dean does in this movie where you have like a, you have a torso over your head. Yeah. But I mean,
00:11:28
Speaker
cool to use because you can barely like see the scene because they used a real martial art person that too. The effects like hold up 25 years later. Yeah. It is it is is it is it it is insane. i do like i do like so He's not credited, and then ah they head it from like I think all the trailers and stuff, but then when Christopher Walken shows up in that flashback scene,
00:11:54
Speaker
It is like he is literally he's literally the kurgen from like the highlander like he's just like ah like this like medieval warrior who's like somehow ended up in like revolutionary war like with like a giant broadsword like foul teeth and like I had to look that up I was like did did like they hire big medieval like Warriors they heard they heard they heard Hessians Hessians, but they were but they were just it They'd like we're really soldiers was like, you know, like the modern style. Yeah yeah shit our retirre of the time Yeah, he's like ah like ah like this like like Game of Thrones like the wall like yeah So like I didn't think that was weird as a kid but later on in life and I like, you know looked it up and I was like
00:12:37
Speaker
but Why does he fucking dress like this? Like, where did they find this guy? Finding like revolutionary war, like, you know, like American, like, think that, that it's not closing. He's like, here's this guy with like, uh, like this like demonic armor. And like, he found his, he found his teeth. And then like, here's the insane thing. Like, and he's let him on a boat. Wait, they let him on a boat to come to the America for that. You know, like, it's like someone had to share a cabin with fucking tooth.
00:13:04
Speaker
but Yeah, do and it's also it's also crazy like he's he's destroying them He's destroying these guys who have guns and he's just like running up He's running at him on the broadsword just like demolishing them well to be fair They didn't have like too many pistols, and I know it's it's it's one shot, but i still I mean This guy with the broad swords like destroying the Revolutionary War like the American kind of Army yeah It's like a hundred years before like what before? Like America was colonized to like when they had like medieval horses and stuff. So running around yeah, I'm assuming so like that's like if you're in a fight and out of nowhere some cosplay looking like
00:13:46
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warrior you know tribal men comes at you and like wait like i'm in i have a machine gun like what's happening like yeah just something weird so yeah maybe that was his tactic was to show up like a fucking medieval like warrior and they're like what the fuck like and that's why they don't shoot him they don't know what he is yeah they can't like they think he's a monster yeah yeah and i do i do also love that like cuz we're walking just no dialogue just like crazy like grunts and yells and like amazing you just do well everything You know everything that is going on in his emotions by his growls. Yeah, or like his like the way he like shows his teeth. He shows his teeth a lot. I don't know. I don't know if that's like his way of saying hello or he's threatened.
00:14:29
Speaker
I can't remember because like I remember one of the big things about this movie was that ah it was like one of the first big McFarland toys, like action figure lines. did they Did they have like the Hell's Horseman toy come out before the movie came out? So they spoiled like the Christopher Walken part of it. Like partly. Yeah. Yeah. Like I definitely remember. I see it. thing I saw this movie in theaters and I also have the issue of Toy Fair that has the like, like yeah. You talk of this. Because i cause I think I think this is definitely like they're one of their first big like, oh,
00:14:57
Speaker
We were just making spawn toys, now we have a full-on movie license. We're like licensed to make toys for this big movie. Yeah, it was great. Because I was like, everyone thinks, oh, why? And they're for adults. They're actually for adults. And they're very like, oh, it's too gruesome to play with your other toys. I'm like, OK. But yeah, they'll have a horseman toy. I don't remember if it was actually a real toy toy or just like a statue.
00:15:25
Speaker
I mean, you could move the arms a little bit and they had accessories, but they were like, I mean, McFarland toys are basically kind of just like, you know, you, you pose them on your shelf. You don't really like play with them. They don't even sit right. Like they're designed for one, they're designed for one pose. And if you try to move them any other way, they fall over. Well, like not even a one pose, like, um, kind of like, it has to be like balanced because like yeah weight and all those toys were always like top heavy, especially if you've got like dumb spawn ones that like,
00:15:53
Speaker
It's like the big dumb villain with all this fucking gear. Yeah. yeah um You can't pose them any other position. Yeah. But anyway. um Yeah, I definitely remember like the Christopher Walken thing didn't surprise me much when I first saw it. And like I didn't know that was supposed to be a surprise surprise by now. You wouldn't tell anymore, because Christopher Walken talked about this movie all the time back then. It was like, hey, yeah, I did my own.
00:16:19
Speaker
yeah thing. and but like okay I came up, I came up with the idea to find my teeth down the spikes and they're like, yeah, let's do that. I'm like, I tell my dentist like, oh, what I did. and they
00:16:33
Speaker
So I could tell like, you know, he's just like amazing in that role. you I mean, you could definitely tell when it swaps to like Ray Park. Yep. Well, I mean, yeah because you get you see like christ walkin the flashback and then at the end, what had like, ah When he's like fully restored, but like, yeah, but for the rest of the time it's, it's Ray Park in yeah like we werere saying either doing like, uh, he's got blue hood over his head or he's got, he's doing the old school. Like i'm I'm wearing a costume where my head is in the, like the chest of the horseman, like prosthetic or something. Yeah.
00:17:11
Speaker
but I just but like like even funnier if it's like you didn't know Ray Park was the gonna be the stunt guy and it was just like Christopher Walk in his headless horseman and gets to do it the whole time. I feel like he would have i feel he would have done it like I feel like Christopher Walk would have been like yeah I'll be a I'll be put that put that giant chest puppet on me like I'm around with it like
00:17:36
Speaker
But yeah, yeah like but did you like the like that the hellas horseman was already like a satanic guy and then it got worse It is I mean in the original story you never really find out yeah if the horse was like supernatural or not like although pretty much it's it's widely like it's widely like agree that like it it was probably like Von Braun is like the Was the hellas horseman? It was like a prank. They went wrong or something. Yeah like they bullied him Yeah Which they don't do in this. Well, like they do a little bit. it's Yeah, they they they don't really you do. Like, Kes Randi doesn't really have a lot to do with it. That's not. That's unfortunate. They don't really establish any of his, like, because he's supposed to be he's supposed to be like going out with Christina Ricci. And they're supposed to be married or whatever. But then there's like one scene of them, like, where he's just, like, jealous. And then, yeah, the they prank Iqbal Crane once. and then And then he gets, like, ripped in half with a swordsman.
00:18:36
Speaker
It is cool that, like, they got Casper Van Dean, or Casper Van Dean was like, hell yeah, I'll be in your sleepy hollow. Yeah. Do I need to take my shirt off? The Star of Stars of Troopers? Yeah, like, what was it? Two years after? Two years after? Yep. So Casper Van Dean was like, surprised. He's good at his role, he's a good bully, you know, with that, like, Johnny Orico, like, that's my girl.
00:19:01
Speaker
Cause I came back. I realized like he just does not get a break from like having a girlfriend being stolen by the new guy. Like in town, in army.
00:19:14
Speaker
but He reads books. Kill him. Yeah, essentially. He's just like, tell me your name. You're rude. You don't tell me your name. that's not like they meet and it arrives to that town and they're playing a game called void kissing the witch if I was a kid I'd be like oh yeah yeah like over here really um but then she just kisses strangers which is like she really like I think at the time it's like they don't do that I always feel like in in those like colonial times like there wasn't I mean there wasn't there was really a lot to do at parties like there was it you know you had like a couple of these like like his bite for apples or like you know play it like I don't think like they were like women can probably kiss like oh yeah in the public i'm like oh my that
00:20:04
Speaker
I get why Casper Van Dean was like, Oh hell no. You're kissing strangers and showing ankles. Yeah. That's all. I'm like, wait a minute. Casper Van Dean already has to be mad about the kiss. Not so much. You didn't tell me your name. And then he's got like, he's got like a crew of like other guys that we, like, I don't even think they have a line or that they know their names, like helping me, like who the hell is Horseman. Yeah. And they just disappear.
00:20:29
Speaker
ah But I do I do what like all the all all the towns people all that this like cadre of like, you know Shady old white men is like so great Yeah, we like all of like ah like land barons Yeah, well, because it's it it's this whole crazy, there's like the Van Tassels and the Van Garrets, and then the Van Garret patriarch is murdered, that kind of sets up the whole string of events, and he had like a new will made.
00:21:03
Speaker
and is yeah it's I like that it's like kind of like this like Hot Fuzz style, where it's like everyone is kind of like guilty, but then there's like but there is like a true villain, but then like everyone is kind of the villain.
00:21:14
Speaker
Well, i everyone's yeah, well, I want to get everyone everyone's everything on the conspiracy. Yeah, I want to get piece together like the first thing because I already want to talk about now because like you want to spoil a little bit of the the whole conspiracy of people just trying to own land or like, yeah, I'm trying to reclaim their lost land. But yeah but yeah we don't know. OK, so like. It seemed like what this Ben Garrett guy, he owned the biggest chunk of the land, right?
00:21:43
Speaker
So I think the it was like the Van Garrets owned they'll own most of the land. And then they he gave a lot of land to the Van Tassels. So the Van Garrets were like, they owned like most of the land. And it's like, I like the Van Tassels. I'm going to get them a lot of land. And one of the one of the places he gave them was like the ah ah Lady Van Tassels family.
00:22:08
Speaker
like their their cabin they their like cabin in the woods or in the field or whatever. And so they got evicted and like left homeless.
00:22:17
Speaker
And then but then she schemes her way into every single person, all all these like old men either blackmailed them or seduced them or married them, and then worked her way up so that she like she would be the one in line to get all the like the the ven like all the with all the wealth, all the riches, and land everything. So it was going to be ah She killed Van Garret, or she had the has horseman kill Van Garret to start like the truck to like the will proceedings going. And then she had the what? like the Is it the magistrate or the notary hide the new will? so Because the old will because the old will left head and had everything left to like
00:23:09
Speaker
his like was it but like the only like the main like the like the main fantastal relative which is Baltus which is like Christina Ricci's father so he would have gotten everything uh-huh and now that he would die then it goes to Christina Ricci but then she doesn't go to Christina Ricci and then she would get it Yeah. So like everything else of what happens is just sort of like unrelated. Cause it's, you know, like it it just had to get to the main goal, which is to be the last person surviving in this. Yeah. And then it's like, it's like, yeah. And then like, thank Garrett, like secretly married that widow and had a child. But then like, so then, uh, they had to kill the, the, the, the widow and her unborn child. And then the doctor hid that. And then like the, like,
00:24:02
Speaker
and All the older like all the like town officials either like they all knew about it and they're all like hiding it for like various reasons because they either something would be real about them or They were like, you know, like Jeffrey Jones was like, you know, having weird like tree sex with Lady Tassle. And then like, yeah, like that's another thing. If you watch this movie, you get so distracted by like the visuals so much that like you forget how it's all connected. And then the movie does a lot of like telling, you know, showing, which is interesting. well well It doesn't help to like in between all that stuff is like all the flashbacks to like young Ichabod and his mother, Lisa Marie.
00:24:42
Speaker
so who's also who's a witch yeah yeah so it's like is a magical like yeah We don't know. But um we're not even getting to that. That's just like a subplot. They draw that out so long. They draw that whole thing out for like the entire movie because they just keep going back to like flashbacks. It's almost as if Batman's parenting shot in Crime Alley again. It's the same idea. It's like, well, Iqbal passes out so many, like he passes out like two or three times in this movie. And like every time he passes out, like he has a new, like ah a flashback, like progresses the flashback.
00:25:18
Speaker
It's like a recap. you know Yeah. mean but ah Going back to this storyline.
00:25:26
Speaker
So. I was about to say, yeah, the. The freaking like, I get like how convoluted it is because it's so ah like, I don't know, like breaking between the love story and then the mystery, like if it could Bob.
00:25:44
Speaker
Well, I mean, he does blame Persona Ruchi later on. He's like, you're a witch. She's like, yeah, I learned a few anyway. um But then it's like her mom was a witch, too. That's another like point. Yeah, they were good witches. But then like Lady Van Tassel is an evil witch. And then her but and also her sister is a witch who lives in the woods.
00:26:05
Speaker
See, like, it when it adds those elements to a very overcomplicated, like, murder mystery, it just, you get so, like, it starts, like, chopping connections, because you're you're trying to wrap your head around sort of hard. Yeah, it's, like, obviously, the short story doesn't really give you a lot of, like, you know, doesn't give you a lot of, like, like a feature like, a feature-length, like, you know, two-hour-long movie, but they just, they just really, is they really, like, convoluted and make it, like, well, we're at, like, we're at a bunch of stuff this story, like...
00:26:32
Speaker
Oh, you know, a bunch of stuff would have just been made. I don't know. It could Bob a talking dog friend and then just do it. But then what they do now is like, I guess riffing off of other like murder mystery tropes where like. Like <unk> it's like everyone's the bad guy. Yeah. So like you said, but but in this it's it's funny because like not everyone was a bad guy. Some people were like like kind of like Mr. X, like the boy's like father, you know, like the helper boy. He just happened to be in the room, right? Like I think she even said something like that where it's like, oh, I, you know, like that was like, uh, like you thought it would be some greater conspiracy. Well, I think he was transporting the, he was like transporting the the new will or something.
00:27:20
Speaker
ah and and and he And he was the witness that signed the new will too, I think is the part of it. But then but but yeah but then is there's the other couple, the other family that like just like happened, like someone had to mention it to them and they're like, well, they're dead now. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, like and their kid. Who like that wife was also kind of a witch because she had like that like like store where she's like brewed potions or like herbs or whatever. Oh yeah, you're right. It was like... It's like everyone is to it like witch.
00:27:51
Speaker
So like, yeah, I'm like, I don't, I don't know if like, this is secretly just a witch town. Did Ichabob's mom come from Sleepy Hollow? Maybe, yeah. You know, it could have been some dumb reveal where it's like, I was born here. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, oh, Ichabob's back. And he's like, I've never been here. They're like, yeah, sure you have. And it's like, you keep forgetting because you keep blacking out. Yeah. You get knocked out. So, uh, you know, like,
00:28:20
Speaker
I don't know like when I watch some parts like just focus in on the murder mystery part it's really good I like how like stupidly convoluted it gets because it's like a great setting and and visually like just like a Tim Burton like investigation movie you know um but then when they throw the magic element in it it changes it just because like we don't understand what's going on half the time they're just like I mean, this is before the the witch like scene, the big witch scene, but I'm talking about like,
00:28:54
Speaker
It's just like Christina reaching drug pendants on the ground, you know what I mean? Or it's like zigzags on shit. I love the reveal of like that symbol, and the symbol looks so evil, and then like it reads the book, it's like, to protect loved ones. It's like, what? Yeah, dude, I mean it's just like, oh, oh. But it's like, it's supposed to be like demonic looking, like, like satanic like symbol.
00:29:21
Speaker
and I understand like some Satanists they use like really scary things for good things like yeah like okay like you know Satanists isn't like bad for them but I'm talking about like that before understanding came public knowledge you can't just draw that and be like okay or draw like secretly draw under someone's bed and they pull their bed back and like what the fuck symbols like here's the crazy thing does it have to be that big yeah Is the requirement it has to be like a six by six like circle? You just make a tiny circle? And this then she draws it in the church, but it's like, is that who's that for is that protecting like everyone in the church or just Ichabod or just her father or just like, it doesn't work. ah Maybe because she didn't complete it in time or maybe maybe that those so fucking symbols she's drawing does nothing. Yeah, because because the horse can't come into like the holy grounds anyway. it's like
00:30:17
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Yeah, I don't think this is the circle drawing. Oh my God, I forgot that part, really. It doesn't really help at the end. I thought like maybe she drew it so like just in time her father would be spared, but like none of that worked. I do. I do love that that. In that scene, like the horseman's like his ingenuity was like, well, I can't go in the church or harpoon this guy through the window and drag him out. It's like the cemetery chops that off.
00:30:42
Speaker
But like, again, you imagine they just CGI because we're walking his head back into that. Yeah, yeah
00:30:52
Speaker
ah but yeah I ah do like how he makes the harpoon. um Didn't I expect what was going to happen because ah in the church, it's so goddamn tense. And that scene of just like let's do the exposition yeah, yeah, yeah all all the all the they're surviving like like ah old guys just like accusing every each other and like killing each other like Frickin like Jeff like was was like Jeffrey Joe's like ah like bashes like the McDermott's head in with like ah like a cross or something you're like good And then like you shot get shot and then yeah, yep
00:31:28
Speaker
But yeah, uh, super crazy in that. And you're like, okay. And then like the people inside, like they like turn their attention to like, Oh shit. Like now he might be dangerous, but I like that. Um, no one accounts that he doesn't have a second gun. It's not like he comes with like one bullet, you know, it's like, you know, it's just, yeah, no guns are like one bullet per shot. So unless he like takes a break and like reloads that gun, you can just rush him.
00:31:56
Speaker
I do like they they they kind of put they play with that earlier were like ah like Casper Van Deen's trying to like reload his like rifle the horseman he's like like coming at him and he has like no time to do it he's like he's like he's like go grab like the like the the size well I think this movie is like anti-gun because it's like you do a lot by just like using your words and and melee weapons guns are useless in this movie yeah i mean yeah the horse Yeah, because yeah, the Horseman proved that in battle, like taking down like lines of revolutionary war guys with those giant like revolutionary war rifles. Oh, he didn't even get shot to death. No, yeah and then and like, you know, chop his own head. But, you know, I mean, like all the major kills in this movie
00:32:46
Speaker
It's not like the horseman, it's a gun. It's not like he was just like, oh shit, let me use that. It's like, nope, I love my ancient Haitian swordmanship.
00:32:57
Speaker
And it's in ah the great there's a great detail where his sword is like super heated or he causes like the captations to be like cauterized and like no blood. It was like a... It's like a lightsaber. Yeah. Essentially, it's like, oh, they do they give fucking...
00:33:16
Speaker
you're Like they're like we got we got we got we got Ray Park make it make it like a lightsaber like like they given ray park like um dar small use ah so should be fine I'm surprised he doesn't get like a staff and do the Darth paul spin in this at all Well, I wonder what they wonder when they filmed this compared to like Phantom Menace I think this was like Phantom Menace was like a summer movie. This was like the fall. So this was probably like filmed back to back for him, right? He ran off to the studio to do a scene, come back. Yeah. It must have been a crazy time for him. I think he even said like he actually does like Darth Maul in one of the featurettes I saw. it was like He was so used to a certain style that he had to tone it down for
00:34:12
Speaker
beha Yeah, cuz yeah and Yeah, cuz the horseman is like a Like a jet like more but like definitely got more of like a brutish like brute force like like oh he's a fighter like e slasher in this one he' Smashed smash smashing outdoors. Yeah, like ripping people off from like under a floorboards And just sort of like I don't know like because he doesn't have any dialogue it's so much more menacing because you can't reason with that it's you know like it's just a giant threat yeah and he's like and he's completely impervious to everything equal oh yeah that that was pretty cool to see him basically just tank all this damage and he's just annoyed by it mm-hmm he survived the exploding windmill yeah he was just mad yeah he was mad
00:35:08
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, at what point did you realize like, think of Bob and what's her, Christina Richie's relationship in this was kind of like, like weird because like for someone who did lose her fiance, she's just like, I'm over it. It's new. Yeah. like She's like, was I think she says like, I cried my tears for him and now but hour go i don't but but I'm fine now. Like I don't, but I don't really feel anything.
00:35:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's not good, and Mikabob's like, oh, okay. It's like, you must be a witch because you bewitched me. He was so quick, so like, oh man. Which, if you found out she's a witch, like, yeah, that should have been a whole, that should have been a thing of like, did you like, did you use like a spell on me? Like, because you're a witch?
00:35:58
Speaker
Is a this is actually real like I don't know which craft you make someone fall in love is I think we're actually I think that's another thing that might have happened because he's worried about that like Their love isn't genuine. Hmm. Maybe because that's why he gets so heartbroken Well, it's cuz he has the fella gets the fella the science even where even to where it goes where he doesn't want it to go um But Yeah, no, that's what I was like. Isn't it weird that it's like I know it starts at the witchy game, but in a manner of like four days, she loses her fiance and falls in love and potentially moves to like New York with Jacob up like. Yeah.
00:36:39
Speaker
You know, like, that's why I was like, kind of click on the romance, but I also think, yeah, you just good man go. What happened to Sleepy Hollow when they left? Because like town or attract i'll tell yeah no well like like the like that town has all of their officials are dead. Like they have no leader.
00:36:59
Speaker
they have like, like, most of their most of their like, like, their men of authority are dead. Like, call in someone to say, okay, we need like a new doctor, we need a new doctor, we need to like, notary, we need to magistrate, we need a new mayor, like, they don't have those in reserve. Yeah, they do.
00:37:24
Speaker
that town's fucking gonna be chaos it's just like as soon as um trouble happens is that town's gonna crumble because look i get like a headless horseman is like terrorizing your town so no one's visiting them but there has to be like the local police which they don't really did know yeah know like so like what's gonna happen when trouble happens there
00:37:49
Speaker
I don't know. They, I mean that right now, I guess in the legend of Sleepy Hollow in New York, they just fucking went about their lives. It's like, when you go there, Sleepy Hollow is like, everyone who lives there is just over the store. Well, well, yeah. So it's just like, Oh man, that, like that school teacher, it got cranius disappeared. We don't really know. And we don't really care either. It was kind of an asshole. I don't know. I think it's funnier as more and more time goes on. And it's like, Oh, come to like Sleepy Hollow. And then it's like, so a school teacher got lost.
00:38:20
Speaker
like yeah that's why this place is famous he had like a pumpkin showing his like a pumpkin throwing his head and he that killed him or he got scared and ran away like no one knows yeah the legend And, uh, you know, I, I just think it'd be funny because like, eventually there has to be like a new, like, I guess town myth story. And I wonder if it's going to get like a Johnny Depp esque remake in the future. Meaning like, what if like, um, some town and like Nebraska has like, uh, like, Oh, this person in the fall, like ate some bad candy and that's become a bunch.
00:39:02
Speaker
Johnny Depp is Rip Van Winkle. Well, I'm just thinking like how but because it's like that was the subversion of the genre, too. Like you think it's going to be, well, one, it's so hard, but it became like a detective horror movie, like way more complicated than it had to. Or just a simple like school teacher goes to this town and then he gets busted like a pumpkin man. And also like way more violent. And I think people expected it for like Sleepy Hollow plus like Tim Burton.
00:39:31
Speaker
Oh yeah. It's like, Hey, dude, director Pee-wee's playoffs. Now he's got a movie about a guy with swords. What? Yeah. I think we're, I think we were talking before we sort started recording, but like this and like Sweeney Todd, like the timber is like only two, like really like crazy gory like movies. And he can do it. Wow. Yeah. And this one, this one specifically is like, he's trying to kind of like pay homage and like ape the style, of like hammer horror movies. So like the blood is like,
00:39:57
Speaker
bright red, like, paint, basically. And it's like splattering everybody. And then um and obviously Sweet Todd, you know, it had like, it's got like, it's famous for like, it's like big, like, basically like pneumatic coz it's spraying blood everywhere. Yeah, like, having Tim Burton direct those action, you like, action scenes, like, he gets it still from like the Batman. But since I actually saw recently Batman 89,
00:40:27
Speaker
Mm hmm. The fight scenes in some parts are just like so like shaky came like far away shots and like, you know, it's come a long way for the action scenes from Batman to this. Yeah, I mean, OK, well, to be fair, there was blood in Batman 89, but not enough, I guess, to count.
00:40:51
Speaker
No, not like bal like this. Not like, you know, people get ripped in half or like, you know, cutting into a tree that bleeds. like The tree scene is pretty hilarious. It's so gross, but it goes off for too long. Well, I just, I just look like Johnny Depp, like he could probably create like, he's like cutting it. It's like every hit is like just splatting my blood on his face. He's like, I don't like this. like This is my nightmare. This is my nightmare.
00:41:19
Speaker
And then they find out that's where all the heads are. Because like all the heads are never found when they find one's body. but that ah see I kind of forgot that. like and Because I don't know how many people have died old in this movie to fit in that scene.
00:41:35
Speaker
That's also my fear of how the chain of events started. It's like, it's that tree of stuff with 10 heads. Oh, you know, but but like why that random like century guy get killed?
00:41:51
Speaker
You know, there's a guy like in like the, you know, like the garden station, basically. That's the dude's father. That's the servant boy's father. Oh, we well, okay. Yeah. No, no, I get it. You just forget because this fucking movie does that to you at times. Cause it's so bad. Cause I thought he was with like the, um, uh, like vanguard and like with opening, like when the opening scene where he gets killed at like the carriage. No. Oh shit. No. The carriage guy. Yeah. That was the carriage driver. Yeah. But that doesn't mean.
00:42:26
Speaker
like the dude in the century was that was that was that was old what's like with Nez Smith because then they called like the kid young Nez Smith yeah like who's like is like adopted by Iqbal Karina now it's like you're our son now slash servant like it's common law where if you hold a ah young ward or more than like ah
00:42:52
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I like that Iqaba does get like a partner to help him. Yeah, braver than him. And he's just like a boy. I thought that was kind of fun.
00:43:07
Speaker
But yeah, the the the scene with like the shoot out where Matt Smith was like trying to get revenge. I need a murder because there's another thing. It's like Matt Smith is like, can you like find who did this and like We'll get revenge together. He kind of says something like that when he's like, I'll be your ward. Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
like Because that's why my mom's dead and my dad's dead now. So I don't have anybody to and't if he'd like i dont any do or anyone to take care of me or take care of. So he's like, all right.
00:43:49
Speaker
and so be like but first but first like you ah well First thing just like, well, good luck with that. like ahs sure they're like old tax yep You You're a landowner now.
00:44:06
Speaker
well you It's like you do whatever job your father did though. You're the watchtower now. Watchtower guard. Yep. But see, like in this town, it's all about like these rich guys, I guess. So it's like the rich guy screwing over the the regular people in the town. It was about like more land greed, but then I guess they could charge more to the regular. The regular people didn't seem like they it was like that bad for them. Yeah.
00:44:37
Speaker
It didn't seem like they seemed like a great time. They had like parties. They. Yeah. They came together as like a community except for like Ron, who wanted to meet up all these like guys. I mean, maybe you want to think about maybe, maybe, maybe later my test, like fulfilled her plan, she would have been like a, you know, like kick them all out and been like, I own all this land now and I'm rich. Like I'm like, I'm going to make your life sound out like, okay. She's just like, this is my land. Yeah.
00:45:04
Speaker
just gets really hoity-toity about it. But I would feel like when you just become the person, like like you become the landlord of that area, like I don't think she has enough money because wouldn't other people come in and buy the real estate? Or she just sells it like, maybe she would sell it to people and be like, get out. I sold it to like this like New York City land baron or whatever. Like for that point, that she's not the evil one. She's just trying to make a deal. You got to land back.
00:45:35
Speaker
i wish I wish it had been a little bit more of like because like she disappears for like huge chunks of the movie like she's in the first like like in that party scene I wish it was like more like kind of like more seating her out of like maybe like making her seem like super nice or something and then that you get to reveal like oh no she's like an evil witch there's sort of like that energy going on where she seems like a nice person but there is something not right about her
00:46:02
Speaker
it She wears like black widow like witchy dresses I think really I think someone else picked up on that because then that's why they do the like witch sister clone Yeah Which I do I do like you get like the homage like large margin that scene. where it I goes like her cave and she's like, it's like, you have to go to this tree. And then it's like the classic Tim Burton eye popping out thing. Yep, yep. I see what you mean. Yeah, that was cool. I definitely liked the hookiness of it. This is a very Tim Burton thing where it's like potions and then crazy enchantment and Johnny Depp not getting worded because he's just like, oh, OK, this is happening.
00:46:57
Speaker
The witch starts like locking herself in with chains, and it's like, uh-oh. But then like she blacks out on top of him for once, like something else. He doesn't black out, like she blacks out. Yeah. I do like that, because every other time it's been him like kind of conking out, but the witch just falls asleep on time. Does she reveal the skull, or do they figure out the skull thing later?
00:47:28
Speaker
She mentions the head. She says you just have to like get the head. It's like whoever has the head. I think he said whoever has the head controls the horse. Yeah. which that That seems like a pretty fatal flaw for like Lady Tassel's plan. of like if you'd like If she loses control of the skull, then someone else can be just like kill her. like Well, you would have to be brave enough to like figure out the skull thing. She was stupid to like bring it with her everywhere. or
00:47:58
Speaker
on the last meeting or is that the rule like you have to bring the skull back to where he is by the tree fucking command him then like go back and like hope that he doesn't grab the skull from you i don't know what the rule is because it just seems like can't back you like he like that was that was a pretty big gamble iabba where when he gets control of the skull he just tosses it to him like instead of like commanding him like take her to hell or like kill her instead like He's like tossing it at me like, are we cool now? You got your head back? Or like, we're cool? Well, maybe like he was willing to do it because it's like, yeah, you gave up that power. So you could have had one personal, like, hessen. Hessen assassin, yeah. Yeah. And we started figuring out the meta science. We're like, what if, ah he oh you does he always spawn in Sleepy Hollow? Then he has to like, ride to wherever you need him. He burst out of that tree portal.
00:48:57
Speaker
Yeah. Does the True Portal have other portals? I mean, it seems like it's like a direct like path to hell, it looks like. But I do. I will say, like, a lot, you know, we were talking about like a lot of this stuff like holds up really well. The scene where like the skull like reforms back in the Chris Morgan's head is not good. Yeah, that CG is is so goofy and wacky.
00:49:25
Speaker
it's as if they like they kind of knew it wouldn't be good so they made like the eyes whatever pop out yeah this is just gonna be more of a funny nod but yeah it's not their fault I mean they try their best otherwise yeah cuz there's not there's not a ton of CG in this movie it's all it's a ton of it's practical I think they shot like 75% of this movie like sound stages to like really give it the, give it the like, you know, like they can, they can build wherever they wanted and like have it like, you know, like get like the perfect like weather and look and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, man. I can't imagine how hard Yeah. Well, with all like the fog and everything, this movie, cause there's so like there's so much fog, there's so much like ah atmosphere. Yeah. Was all those movies in the sound studio?
00:50:19
Speaker
I think I think that I think they were. that's I think it's probably probably more like a more of like the like hammer homage. Like we got to shoot a soundstage and like can make it look like a hammer movie. I'm surprised hammer didn't just have some place in the English countryside. They can just be like, all now it's fall. Here's it's our hammer house. Like everyone get in the cabin and then put on your gothic clothes. We're going to start making a horror movie today.
00:50:48
Speaker
being a crew i mean aside from Tim Burns crew where it's like everyone in this crew is like some creative like artists and then decided to work for him. Being in a horror movie crew like first time must have been kind of terrifying because it's like all right like
00:51:06
Speaker
Are all these effects going to play out? like you know like You're going to try to make this happen. Speaking of like of like if they were trying to get the blood to work, but it came out shitty, they're like, fuck it. That's our style now. And then that became the hammer style. And then in order for them to do it in this movie, they're just like, it was CGI. like We've not figured out the CGI technology. But we will do, I don't know, lead paint blood. Let's throw this everywhere.
00:51:37
Speaker
I'm just amazed at like that tradition because look right now I don't think I know a lot of movies. I've seen any recent horror movies that use blood like that anymore. Chunky blood. Yeah, like bright red, like no, not kind of not trying to make it look it look realistic, just like this is like like bright, bright red. And it's funny if they ever do something on that, like thick blood, it's usually like a comedy comedy movie, but not like a horror movie. And these days I haven't seen a horror movie that has like Kind of like I've seen chopping scenes that I don't know, maybe make liquidate. You know, like that. Yeah. I mean, I think the play the place movie recently was like, I don't know, Evil Dead Rise, maybe. Because I feel like they had like gallons of blood in it. Like that's like an evil dead signature. That's the same. Yeah. Mm hmm. I don't really see the hammer.
00:52:33
Speaker
Yeah, this like this like it's like hammer and then like, you know, like Italian, like, ah like Guialla movies and like that kind of like ah red blood, too. So if you're if you're paying on the watch, like hammer, or like that style, like if you're making like a like a Dario Argento, like a mod or something, you might have like bright red, crazy blood.
00:52:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's we the thing that's in the stand out because this movie like would be just like a lot of blood by the middle. Like I definitely remember by the end where like you're used to the fucking tree the heavens horseman Somehow the woman has blood on her lips like she gets like I don't know for the hes so so hard to tell ble it I Think yeah, I think he like kind of like it like he's like biting her then like with his like fang teeth then i i dont Yeah like You ready youre ready to go to hell baby You my help right now
00:53:33
Speaker
so weird cause they met it there
00:53:40
Speaker
is for like also like is this the first time she's been calling him to do the bidding has she been doing this for like I guess I guess she had to like get into a position where she could enact her plan.
00:53:55
Speaker
like she had like you know Mary she had to marry Balthus and you know get like always get all this like either dirt on people or like manipulate them that's a huge gamble for you to be like now I got some of my hell demon guy you know I mean like yeah you'd be like I need to summon him now and and and why not just every night send him out Don't even marry anyone. Don't have to... Cause all she wants, her main thing is she just wants revenge on them. So like yeah, just like have that horseman just like murder every Van Tassel and fan Gary in CPLO. Why even do the whole like befriend the guy's daughter and then like... I don't know, like were they friendly? I don't know how long she's been married to the dude for.
00:54:49
Speaker
But yeah, no, her plan is convoluted for no reason. It's just like she could have like, I don't know, got revenge. I want revenge, but I also want to be rich. So yeah, yeah. She had a plan, but then it's a gamble because it's like, did you test drive this? Did you figure out this happens? Did you practice a lot of magic? Cause she also does magic herself.
00:55:10
Speaker
did you double check the will and make sure that your husband you married is not like like is like like definitely like yes like you definitely get the money if everyone else is dead yeah i mean you hung out a bunch of like conspiracy nutted like aniving guys like you should have a backup in case that failed besides like kill everyone Surprise, there's more wives and kids to deal with. it's like everyone There's so many illegitimate kids, it's like Game of Thrones. It's like we got killed in the bastards. like
00:55:43
Speaker
I mean, yeah, that's where it falls apart for me a little bit because it's like, I mean, it's still a good movie, but it's like, why did she wait that long? Oh, is it because she wants to be rich? Did she say that in the thing where she's like, oh, I waited like for revenge in order to like mass money or like security, just that. Or it's like she just did she herself not know who was like who in charge until she got like really embedded into that society.
00:56:09
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like she had to figure out that everyone in that group is like a pervert or like, uh, I don't know, like trying to embezzle. Yeah, it's like, well, she, she scared like the one guy, she scared like, uh, Alfred. So like, cause like he was the noter is like, Hey, if he died, we don't see any more of them. I think that he, did he run or did he get, yeah, I can't remember what happens to him.
00:56:39
Speaker
Cause he, cause he like, it goes into like, finds out about the the new will. And then, uh, I think, I think maybe he just runs away. like see i got our i don But yeah, but, uh, definitely a a great movie if you want to, like, if it's, it's got like the perfect, like kind of like fall spooky Halloween atmosphere. We're just like, I mean, it's,
00:57:09
Speaker
it It takes place like around in like Halloween times. There's like pumpkins everywhere. and like It's like that harp kind of fall harvest feel. But it's got all the dark, spooky like buildings and fog and trees. The crisp weather really is a good like indication to go see this movie again. I feel like like sleep imagine trying to watch sleepy hollows in like the summer hot day no yeah mm-hmm it's like bright and sunny and you throw that on you're like I'm in the mood for a pumpkin pie no but like for me sleepy hollow has been like a great like false movie too it's like you see this on TV or
00:57:49
Speaker
I guess like the association with like the Headless I'm surprised no one's ever tried to associate all these themes in some like it's like Ichabob Crane drinking pumpkin beer in a modern day and then like he gets to fight CP like the the Headless Horseman. If whatever our marketing campaign doesn't make that weird thing happen to get people into fall and to like, I don't know, rewatch more CP Hollow shit. Million dollar idea. Yeah. Well, I mean, I feel like that like, yeah, I was trying to get like other like, CP Hollow stuff and the only thing that recently has been like that, the show.
00:58:34
Speaker
Well, I feel like it's gotta to be, it's either like in demand or not demand for CP Hollow. There's no middle. It's like, you can't drum it up. Because even then when this movie we came out, CP Hollow was like popular for maybe another year. And then it was like Y2K for you. know So it wasn't like this like booming black foster franchising idea. Oh, the kids love CP Hollow. We gotta make a kids cartoon of the movie.
00:59:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think this this is less this is less like like full length movie based on it. Like everything else has been like TV TV shows or like TV movies or something. So but they like I think because like a paper thin premise was like if it's the original story, it's not like enough material. And then when it's like a story, it's a little too much material. And then I don't know what the last Sleepy Hollow show was doing.
00:59:31
Speaker
zero Besides, the thought well, you said it goes off the rails. they were they were getting to like there was like ah there's like babylonian gods or something a coach showing up like malik was like the main villain and like all these are all things going on I just remember the crossover episode with Bones, and then it's like... Jake Bones universe actually have magic. Is that the possibility now?
00:59:55
Speaker
that That is like just insane to me. It's like, oh yeah. But like Bones, like that show about like digging at dig get like all cold cases or whatever. like Everything in that show could have been like a demon or something.
01:00:09
Speaker
Yeah, one season arc could just be like, oh no, like this is too many bones in a person. What is this? And it's like, oh, it's a demon skeleton. Whoa. It's like it's like if something like recently if like something crossed over with like that you know that show Evil. yeah it like If if like if like something like NCIS or something crossed over with Evil, it's like, well, everything could be a demon now.
01:00:34
Speaker
The rules just said whatever. Yeah, you've irrevocably destroyed the rules of this universe. The problem, Bones was never like supernatural. They might, you know, like some shows like that, they might hint that it's super, like it could be. Who knows? But it's usually, it's not. You can't do that when you introduce like Sleepy Hollow, like Mythos. Yeah. Or like show.
01:00:55
Speaker
It's like it new girl crossing over with like Brooklyn I it's fine cuz it's like that makes sense. It's like the same universe but like Well, sure I mean it it makes sense cuz it's like the other shows are like you know crazy supernatural It's just like they're both comedy shows with wacky characters. It's like but yeah them crossing with bows. it like It's like insane
01:01:23
Speaker
hollow having Having this in there, it's pretty cool. It's a good fall movie lineup. You watch this, and then you get ready for 80 slasher movies. Yeah. this i mean I think this is up there with like trick or treat, if you really want to get like into like that like like the perfect like Halloween fall vibes. Yep. It's definitely another staple. If you think Christmas movies, you think Halloween movies, you think, OK, go see Sleepy Hollow. Oh, Sleepy Hollow.
01:01:57
Speaker
And I think, and I think definitely like the, uh, kind of like right before Tim Burton kind of went off the cliff for a little bit. Because, the movie because, because, because the movie rants is plenty apes. Yeah. So it's like, Oh boy, what happens?
01:02:17
Speaker
Did think the red paint was unstoppable? He's like, yeah, no one's been doing this time to like, I've got the gift I can go repay find the apes just the way I want as a homage Well he it it was weird because he was like it was like it was like on off like so it's like sleep hell and he's plenty apes and he's big fish They just Charlie and chocolate factory. They his course ride. They a sweet odd. They also wonderland. Oh Wait a minute. you Did he did Mars attack right? That's that was the one right before those one before sleepy. Hello, okay
01:02:52
Speaker
I'm surprised Johnny Depp wasn't in Mark of that. Everyone else was, yeah. I'm surprised Jack Nicholson didn't show up. I'm surprised Jack Nicholson didn't show up. He would be totally out of place in the late 17th century or 18th century.
01:03:15
Speaker
He's got like a Hollywood-esque New York accent. Let me tell you, Ikerbob.
01:03:27
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he could he could have been he could have been the ah ah horseman like have him be like the cameo it's like his he but i do It's really hard to see, like, anyone but, like, Christopher Walken in that now, that weird outfit.
01:03:40
Speaker
Yeah. I can imagine Jack Nicholson looking like a weird out of place like Joker. With like foul teeth. Yeah. So I thought it was funny if like he gets the head back and you think it'd be Chris for a walk-in but it's not. Then it's like another person. He realizes too. Like there's two Headless Horsemen. That would have been a fun twist. Jack does his like, here's Hessian. Or it gets like the prestige where you think it's Well, I say that because they do that with the twins. So what's the what's the chances to be also twin warriors, too? Yeah, twin Hessians. Yeah. I mean, they they miss the twist of having twins in this movie. It was either going to be the Hessians or be the witch.
01:04:22
Speaker
It's like, uh-oh. that It was the wrong skull. There's two skulls. Because in this movie, you didn't need two witches, because the witch could have also been explained by someone else. like It didn't have to be a witch-witch character, right? It's just ah set set up a sequel where it's like, so like either someone gets pulls the skull back out, or like they find us ah a different skull, and then a new horse pulls out. And it's like, it has horsemen in New York City.
01:04:51
Speaker
yeah Could have been another billion dollar franchise of this. Yep. You just had to go with the monkeys. And we saw what happened over there.
01:05:06
Speaker
But yeah, i think I think they'll wrap it up for this week. Definitely check out Sleepy Hollow you haven't seen it in a while. It's on Paramount Plus, so it's easily accessible. And ah definitely come back next week because we're continuing our spooky ah you know Halloween themed episodes with um we are talking about a new nightmare. ah jump Jumping back to Night 94, because I believe it's the 30th anniversary of a new nightmare next week. So we'll dive into like Wes Kriegerman's meta.
01:05:41
Speaker
He turned to franchise after i the first one, and then like just made it totally crazy and meta. It was it basically a practice run for stream. It was basically what it was. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of forget that, essentially, he remakes that concept of a meta movie about a movie. Yeah. But not even an established franchise. It's going to be like he knew. He knew about it. It's going to be a franchise.
01:06:10
Speaker
But yeah, we'll we'll dive into all that ah next week. So come back for that. Head over to the site. We got all of our usual stuff there. We got ah news, reviews, trailers. We're going to have a bonus commentary. ah If you're hearing this, it's actually probably up if you're hearing this. We watched China O'Brien, the Cynthia the Rod Rock classic for Chris's birthday commentary.
01:06:30
Speaker
Because we always watch some sort of ridiculous martial arts movie for Chris's birthday. So this year was Cynthia Rothrock fighting small-town corrupt businessmen? What were they? Like corrupt cops? And then a local businessman runs this very tiny town in Utah? Yeah, it was basically Roadhouse, but what if you think? Yes. Roadhouse was like walking tall. If you mix this together, it puts Cynthia Rothrock in it.
01:07:00
Speaker
So yeah, so that's probably up right now if you're hearing this. We'll have probably a spooky commentary up sometime later this month as well. Plus, yeah, I'll probably review of Joker folia due this week because I experienced that, whatever that was.
01:07:18
Speaker
ah And oh yeah, all of our all our are like usual features and stuff are up on the site to show all the stuff out. And yes, until next week, I'm ah for Chris, I'm Zach, and we'll see you next time. um For more from Everything Action, head to www.everythingaction.com. You can also find us on Facebook at facebook dot.com slash everything dot.action and follow us on x at evaction. We're also on Instagram and threads at everything.action. Find more episodes of the podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your at podcast app of choice and be sure to write and subscribe.