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#93 Bob McGwier - UAP, Triangle Photo, Chris Bledsoe & More.
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Robert G. McGwier is the founder and Technical Advisor at Hawkeye 360. He serves as Technical Director of Federated Wireless, Inc. Dr. McGwier is the Director of Research for the Ted and Karyn Hume Center for National Security and Technology, and Research Professor in the Bradley Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Virginia Tech. At Virginia Tech, he leads the overall execution of the Center’s research mission, and leads the university’s program development efforts in national security applications of wireless and space systems. His area of expertise is in radio frequency communications and digital signal processing. Before joining Virginia Tech, Dr. McGwier spent 26 years as a Member of the Technical Staff at the Institute for Defense Analyses’ Center for Communications Research in Princeton, NJ, where he worked on advanced research topics in mathematics and communications supporting the federal government. His work on behalf of the federal government has earned him many awards, including one of the intelligence community’s highest honors in 2002. Dr. McGwier is an avid amateur radio operator (call sign N4HY) and has previously served as the Vice President of Engineering for the Amateur Radio Satellite Corporation as well as a member of its Board of Directors. He is a member and former Director of the Tucson Amateur Packet Radio. He won the Dayton Amateur Radio Association Technical Award in 1990 and the Central State VHF Society Chambers Award in 2007 for his work in software defined radio and its application to amateur radio. Dr. McGwier was born in Lebanon, TN and grew up in Grove Hill, AL where he graduated from Clarke Country High in 1972. He received his Ph.D. in applied mathematics from Brown University in 1988.
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Transcript
Introduction and Updates
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You're listening to the Anomalous Podcast Network. Multiple voices, one phenomenon.
00:00:47
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Welcome to the show, everybody. We are back with another interview. A few things before I introduce today's guest. I apologize if I look a bit shiny. It is a very hot day here today in the UK. I'm in the attic of my house, so it gets very hot. So if I look a bit disheveled, my apologies. Yeah, it's good to see everybody here.
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I really do appreciate you guys being here so
Listener Interaction and Support
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much. If you do have any questions, please pop them in capital letters, or if you want to support the show, you can donate via Super Chat and all that stuff, but it's not expected. So yeah, questions in capitals, it gives me a better chance of seeing them. So yeah, let's not waste any more time. I'm looking forward to this conversation. I will say that Bob is on the road, so if there is any connection issues, I'm sorry, you'll just have to bear with us.
00:01:40
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You know, it's just one of them things but we'll get through it. We'll get
Guest Introduction: Bob McGuire
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through it. So let's not waste any more time Let's bring in my guest today Bob McGuire Bob. How you doing? It's very good to be here Vinnie. It's been too long waiting on and I mean, yeah, you had XO on and Jake and other than I says well if Vinnie asked I'm on and you did and
00:02:03
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I really do appreciate that. Like I said, it's going to be a good conversation. But I thought initially, if we could just start off, if you could just give us a bit of background on yourself, that would be great. Sure.
Bob's Academic and Career Journey
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I was born in Lebanon, Tennessee, raised in Alabama, went to school at Auburn University, which is kind of one of two schools. Everybody who's hired to go to school in Alabama wants to go to because of football. But I went there because they had an awesome
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of mathematics, physics, and engineering program. And I got a dual degree in applied math and engineering, left there, went to work for the Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico, worked there for a year, and then decided that technical people who got respect in the 1970s and were in leadership positions all had operates. So I applied all over and I got into Brown University,
00:02:58
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which is a really good school in the Northeast. And I got a PhD in applied math, the minors in computer science and quantum field theory physics. Applied mathematics PhDs, minor in things. And then I left there, tried to go back home to teach school at Auburn and
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with a wife and two kids, I was going to go broke. So I called my friends in the intelligence community I had been working for in summers while I was going to graduate school and landed a job at a think tank that the intelligence community operates in person, New Jersey, where I stayed for 27 years.
00:03:44
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Wow, that's amazing. So leading on after that, what actually got you into the subject of UFOs?
Formative Experiences and Interest in UFOs
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Was it something that you had always had an interest in or a passion for, or is that a more recent thing? OK, so it's both. So the odd things happened in my childhood up until I was 18 years old. OK, so before I won, I had cerebral meningitis.
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And I coded three times, so I had three NDEs before I was one. So I don't really have any memory of it, but my mother remembered it well. Okay, so the doctor told her that if I survived, I would be a vegetable or an imbecile.
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So my brain had to have been damaged because it had a very high fever. And I recovered with no damage. And my IQ is measurable and it's not small. So I mean, I was not damaged in any way we can tell. So we left there.
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and where I was that was in Lebanon, my mother's family is and we moved to Alabama where my father's family operated a factory and I grew up there and
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When I was three years old I left my room in the morning and saw my mother and her best friend drinking coffee and I went over to where they were and I started pulling stuff off the shelf and they pretty soon figured out I was reading and no one had taught me and I was reading at a pretty high level so to them it was a it was a mystery and it still was to my parents all the way until their death they have no idea how I learned to read. Okay so
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At 10, my life's trajectory was set because it was clear at 10 years old that I could do things and I was already a polymath and I didn't even know the word. So I built a telescope. I became an amateur radio operator.
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I built rockets. I did all sorts of experimentation. I built a weather station. And it just went on and on. I memorized Grey's and Abby at 10 years old. So I knew every part of the human body and its function when I was 10. So I was just a strangely bright kid.
Personal Encounters and UFO Involvement
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And so that went on. And then I went off to university with my girlfriend at the time.
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And during the first year, we left school because we went to the same school, we headed home. And on the way home, we found ourselves in the middle of nowhere, and it was dark.
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And we had lost an hour and a half. She remembers it as well as I do. OK, so it was just strange. So within two weeks, I changed everything about my life. I changed universities, changed majors, went to Auburn and majored in math and physics and engineering and got the Boolery. OK, I left there, Sandia.
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Brown and for Defense Analysis Communication Research Division in Princeton, which is a think tank for the intelligence community. And that went on for several years. I stayed there 27 years and then I heard rumors all around me through the kind of upper echelons of the technical groups in the intelligence community that UFOs were coming up.
00:07:31
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And this was well before things were going outside, so I got really curious. I saw pictures, I saw some other stuff, so I decided to go into it. I bought and read Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State Volumes 1 and 2. I joined his member site.
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joined his forum and I quickly became Dolan's administrator and moderator for his forum. I just went right to the top and he and I are now friends and I've also been with Tracy. So he interviewed Chris Bledsoe and Bledsoe was really interesting to me.
00:08:09
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So I lived only an hour and a half from Bledsoe. I was at Blacksburg, Virginia, at Virginia Tech at the time. Having left the intelligence community, I went to university where I worked in the Ted Hume Institute for National Security Advanced Technologies. And Ted Hume was the former director of science and technology for the TIA. And Ted's one of those guys, if he calls you and asks you,
00:08:36
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you better go okay so being another guy went and we founded this institute but so i drove over to chris's house and spent four days there we had three days of rain and one clear night so the three days of rain were completely filled
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with Chris telling me his unbelievable story in great detail. And I saw all the evidence he has at his home. And on the fourth night, the night before we were to leave, I had, we went outside, it was dark, and we had two 40 foot massive orbs fly right over us. And they exhibited non-ballistic motion. I saw what looked like little flash bulbs in the trees.
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and it really became strange. I was already in the strange but it really became strange then because I said to myself, well I see them but I wish they would get up out of the tree and instantly they were in the open sky. They had read my mind. Okay so and that really got me interested in consciousness. So the last thing that happened
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I says, I see a purple aura, Chris, that looks like the surface of a lake, but it's purple, looks maybe like smoke, but it looks like the surface. It's right above the trees. He says, oh, my eyes are not good. I can't see them at night. I says, well, Chris, it's right up there, man. He says, yeah, there's been pictures of them before here. And I promise you, he was not looking at the sky because he couldn't do it. And he has arthritis, so he can't lift his neck up easily.
00:10:10
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So we were sat there and all of a sudden the purple thing, purple smokey stuff, and before I could say anything, Chris said, well, they're gone, we can go inside now. So we went inside and I went home from there and had strange experiences for two weeks. Apports in my home of water, spray in my wife and I in our face.
00:10:38
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So on the third time of spraying water out of midair through a brand new roof, which has no leaks, and it hadn't rained in over two weeks, I called Chris and I said, Chris, I've had some strange stuff. I says, have people been followed home by this stuff from your house before? He said, oh, it's called a hitchhiker effect. He says it happens to almost everyone that sees it here.
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And I says, wow. And I says, well, Sharon's doing OK. And he says, well, how is her how is her condition? And of course, he could see that she had had a stroke because she had right side weakness. She had one caused by adult onset diabetes. And so she had this stroke within two weeks. Her right side weakness was gone. She was cured.
00:11:27
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A neurologist released her from his care saying, I can't find this lesion. I can't even find anything that looks like damage.
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So that's when I began to hear the stories of people going around Chris Bledsoe getting yield and to us it was a miracle. So that was my sledgehammer in the face introduction to UFOs and I've been going down that road since
00:11:58
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I heard a lot of stuff. I saw a lot of stuff. I started digging around and I know a lot of stuff. So there you go. I left the intelligence community in 2020 when it was clear that COVID was going to close down the university for two years and I was the only person inside building meant for 200 people.
Retirement and Continued Phenomena
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And it was just eerie. So I went, I don't want to do this. I started two companies. I can retire. I'm not retired. So in May 6th of 2020, I retired, moved home to Alabama.
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And now at my home in Alabama, I have orbs flying around my house. And if people look at my channel on TikTok, they can see a one minute video of a triangular formation of orbs. And it's done with a blink camera. But I know how things work. Blink cameras illuminate things with infrared radiation through an IR LED. So I turn the camera on maximum length exposure
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ran outside around the corner and I look and I can see them with my own two eyes and my eyes don't see infrared. So as soon as I saw them and I went wow they're real it went boom straight up in the air and out of sight. So now we see orbs all the time
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and my wife was sitting on the couch and I was across the room and I turned to walk toward her and this bright orb about the size of a pea so bright that white that if you touched it, it would have been quite hot.
00:13:43
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you know temperature for a black body the whiter it is the hotter it is this would have been why but we didn't fill any heat it was sat there and dawdled around for a few minutes and it vanished and now when i'm out by my telescope in my backyard at night i regularly see blinking lights that's like there were airplanes
00:14:02
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And my first thought is always, it's an airplane until I realize the blinking lights with airplane rate are underneath the canopy of my trees. So crap, this happens all the time now, Benny. That's incredible. I mean, you mentioned that you're seeing orbs and you saw these big orbs with Chris Bledsoe, but also Chris Bledsoe, you know, he was visited by the lady. So do you think he's dealing with multiple phenomena or do you think it's all representing like one thing?
00:14:31
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I wish I could tell you, so I don't really have that answer. I know he believes if all the same thing. And he has been predicting the revelations about UFOs and some other things that he claims are coming up. I won't pass along his predictions because I don't know if they're true, because I haven't heard them from anything but him. But they're interesting. And I hear the same kind of predictions from everyone else.
00:15:00
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that something is coming and it's coming fairly soon in the next few years. And I don't know what it is. Sure, sure. And another thing you mentioned there is that you'd moved back to Alabama and something that always seems to come up in this subject is, and I hear this phrase, all roads lead back to Huntsville. So could you tell us what it is about Huntsville, Alabama and its history and relationship to the UFO subject?
00:15:26
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Well, right now, I would say the largest and most important relationship is the leadership for SCU, the Scientific Coalition for the Study of UAPs, is in Huntsville. Travis Taylor works in Huntsville, and he wound up being on the Skimwalker Rancho, and he was also the chief scientist for the UAPTS Task Force inside the Pentagon. And his boss,
00:15:56
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was, uh...
00:15:58
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Well, he's not my favorite person. Because I can tell you this, I started talking outside. I've been offered the opportunity to work on multiple classified programs temporarily as a consultant. And Gary Reed blocked my security clearance from being transferred for over two years until it expired. And now I no longer have a clearance. So the latest law is going to let me take action.
00:16:29
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Wow. It doesn't surprise me now some of the things that we've heard about Gary Reid have come out in the past few months, but that's unbelievable. I've filed grievance for the Inspector General, and under the new National Defense Authorization Act, there's a part of it that says I can address that grievance and have it handled. So my guess is I'll get my security clearance back if I want it.
00:16:58
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And if it comes for lost work, if I demand it. So we'll just see how it goes. Vinny, I'm not hurting. I'm having fun. I don't need a security clearance because I'm going all over the place and doing all sorts of stuff.
00:17:16
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It's a personal insult and it never should have happened. And I got offered the opportunity to work on programs that were of great importance to the United States and the world. And one of them is Fast and Drone. I was chosen because they knew I had expertise and knowledge and I was not allowed to work on it because of that guy. And that's unbelievable.
00:17:41
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Do you believe that there are legacy programs as well within the US government or in some annex between aerospace companies and some offshoot of the government at all? Well, let's make a little news. Let's do it. OK, so everyone listening here should go on Netflix and watch a documentary called The Family.
00:18:11
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And the family is a Christian organization. It's very powerful. I believe the Collins elite folded into the family. And I believe, I believe.
00:18:27
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Okay, that when the founder and several other of the older people that had ties to the intelligence community and the aerospace industry died, that then it began to fall apart.
UFO Secrecy and Organizations
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And then this documentary came out and the one stopped it. And this was a cue to everyone that massive changes were happening.
00:18:52
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And so people began speaking out. All the family appeared to have lost control. And they were outed and people ran from them rather than count out to them. And all the old leadership was dying. And all the people they hired, blackmailed, whatever they would do to control them, but money or whatever, they were dying off and gone.
00:19:16
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or they're at a point of their career where they no longer need a fearing one because their future is secured from their retirement plans, which are, you know, a 401ks that are stock that it would be really hard for anybody. Look, it's just all this stuff is added up and right about the time all this happened, that's when we began hearing stuff.
00:19:39
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I think, I believe that what people called MJ-12 all through history wound up in the family. That's my belief. And you can find connections to Bechtel, which is right outside of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. I've just, and they operate several national laboratories in the United States, including one I worked at, Oak Ridge.
00:20:07
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I worked at Oak Ridge right before I went to and Bechtel operates them. So they operate all these national laboratories. And it's so strange Vinnie, they do it as a charity.
00:20:20
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It's just so strange. So anyway, a lot of these people that call the Collins believe they were in and around Bechtel and et cetera. And I just, what can I say? It's just, it's just too many coincidences for me. So I think, uh, I think people should look there. Ross cold, hard price table. How about you people should look at the family.
00:20:44
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Awesome. Thank you. I've seen it twice and I will be going back and watching it again now that you've made that connection. So thank you for that. So I don't know, you know, I don't have nobody sent me any documentation, but I'm pretty sure.
Legislation and Disclosure Efforts
00:20:58
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Yeah, no, I'm with you. I'm certainly will go and check it out. And I think, yeah, it'd be interesting to see. But following on along those lines, do you believe that then these legacy programs or some small
00:21:11
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gray area of the military or the military industrial complex, do you think they may have some crush retrievals and even possibly bodies like is speculated all the time? The latest National Defense Authorization Act is filled full of things that wouldn't be in there if what you're asking about is not true.
00:21:33
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They put in the NDAA that from January 1st of 1947 on, in and out of government, everybody has to get off their duff and start talking to Congress. That's number one. And number two, they are completely exonerated from violating their NDAs if they so want to talk to the people in Congress. Congress has had it.
00:21:56
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And the Congress, both houses, bipartisan. Almost every Republican and Democrat on the select committees on intelligence in the House and the Senate have voted for this NDAA and the President has signed it. To me, I'm calling it, let's tell the truth about Roswell Bill.
00:22:15
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That's what it feels like. Let's tell the truth about Roswell and crash retrievals because how many people do you think are pissed off because they, I'm sorry, are unhappy, are pissed off because they got stomped on and now are going to walk out and say, here, here, exonerate me from INDA and I'll tell you everything.
00:22:36
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There are a lot of these people that will or possibly will come forward or be subpoenaed to talk. Am I right in saying that it's mainly going to happen in closed sessions so the public won't necessarily get to hear any of this straight away? Oh, have we lost you, Bob? I think we might have lost Bob. Let's give him a second to catch up. Let's see.
00:23:05
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He can always jump out and jump back in again. If you can hear me, Bob, I'm getting nothing through from your end, I'm afraid. Oh, the joys of live streaming, ladies and gentlemen. Let's give him a few more seconds.
00:23:23
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Apologies, guys. It's not much I can do about that. There we go. He's jumped out. Let's see if he jumps back in. For everybody that has submitted questions, I've been keeping a note of them, and we'll get around to them at some point. But I don't want to break up the flow of the conversation, if you know what I mean. So I'm pressing all sorts of buttons here.
00:23:48
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Fascinating conversation so far with only 20 minutes in. So let's hope Bob is able to rejoin us. He is on the road, like I said, and you can see he's in his car. So I do appreciate him joining me. He doesn't have to. He could have scheduled for another time, but he's here. Yes, if anyone has any questions that I can answer. I tell you what I've got coming up.
00:24:14
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for the time being. For anybody that is aware, I've been part of this phenomenology documentary series, and the finale episode is this Friday over on our Vimeo channel. And it is where we get to show HD footage of the mysterious light phenomena in Colombia. So I'm really looking forward to that. You can see a little bit of it in the trailer. Bob's back here now, so let's bring Bob back in. There we go. Can you hear me, Bob?
00:24:42
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I'm holding up my phone now for better. I'm sorry. Edit the crap out. Let's keep going. It's all good. What might be easy is if you turn your camera off and so it might just push the audio through a bit. Sure, sure, sure. Why don't I do that? I'm gonna stop. Let's see how that that's it. Yeah, that's good. So can you hear me? Okay. Oh, you're you're perfect.
00:25:09
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Excellent. That's coming through loud and clear then. So I can't remember where you were when you left off. Well, we were talking about the NDAA and I call. Just tell everybody about crash, retrievals and Roswell bill.
00:25:23
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And that's right. And none of that they've ordered the government to cross across the government, not just the Department of Defense, but across the government to take action to learn what's going on with UFOs, how the how the technology works. It's clear that the government wants to understand what's happening and who's doing it, what's behind it, what their motives are. That's what the bill said. And so it's really interesting.
00:25:51
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Yeah, so do you think that a lot of this is going to happen in classified sessions? And so we, as the public, may have to wait a bit longer to hear what is said in those sessions? I think so. I'm going to tell you, if you're not in one of these black saps, it is easier for Congress to wave a magic wand and say, this is classified and we want to tell it to the public. And there will be people that will
00:26:19
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argue and fight and lawyer up and say, this stuff should not be classified. There will be battles in court that go on and it's inevitable Vinnie, a tidal wave is coming of stuff coming out because outside of a black sap where you're not allowed to say a word, I can't even tell you I'm in it. If I'm in it, I can't tell you who sponsored it. If I'm in it and can't tell you who sponsored it, I can't even tell you what it's about.
00:26:49
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And you will go to jail. They are clearing people to talk. And the flood is coming. Excellent. And something that you mentioned earlier about some stuff you've seen. You mentioned videos and photos. And you've spoken about a particular image that you may have seen in previous interviews that I've heard. And this is the infamous triangle coming out of the ocean or triangle that was photographed after it had left the ocean. Could you talk about that at all?
00:27:19
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Yeah, I'm going to talk about it. We're going to make news. So let's say, let's say a friend of mine, let's say it that way. A friend of mine was on the USS Blue Ridge and it went through a typhoon and the seas were 30 or 40 feet and everybody was preoccupied steering ship.
00:27:48
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And this friend looked out the starboard window and saw something come up out of water and hard to see because it was right in the wall of the eye, but lit up a little bit and he could see it and it was bigger than the ship.
Military Incidents and Non-disclosure
00:28:05
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It brightened and took off. Okay, so another friend of mine was on the USS Hampton.
00:28:16
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This friend was doing something that I will not mention, because that entire work was classified. But this friend, when everything was relaxed, and they were moving around wherever they were going to move, they were fairly deep. And something really wicked weird went by them. And water is incompressible. You can't compress it. And so things cannot go fast underwater.
00:28:46
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This thing seemed to be moving at what would in the air be supersonic speeds. And now, well, I can tell you right now, you cannot find this stuff anywhere because this stuff was not reported. They don't encourage people to report them. If they do report them, they find themselves at the worst case in the world. I mean, you know, it's just there will be no reports. I believe the people who told me these things happened.
00:29:16
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And then I saw clearly
00:29:21
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the photo that Tim McMillan had in the debris. And they were blaming me for leaking it. And I says, guys, go look at the distribution on that thing inside. And they found out that that photo had been sent around by a thousand people. They had no way to figure out who leaked it. And not only that,
00:29:47
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It's not classified. It was taken with the Wizzo's cell phone camera. It's not classified equipment. So they gave up. I let them have it. I said, you're not messing with me. I'm going to lawyer up and make your day real bad.
00:30:05
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And I says, this has gone everywhere. And that's because this, this Wizzo was able to take that photo and send it everywhere on his own. And you guys pass it around everywhere and saw it was not classified. Okay, so anyway, you get the idea. This is, this stuff is ridiculous. This stuff needs to come out. And it's time we stop hiding and we start telling the world the truth.
00:30:30
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So how come if this photograph isn't classified, then how come it hasn't seen the light of day for the public? Because the person who took it doesn't want to be reprimanded or lose promotion, whatever. I mean, somebody got to it. I'm just surprised that it hasn't leaked anywhere from if it's gone around, you know, so many people that somebody hasn't just anonymously dropped it because I know people are desperate to see that image, but
00:30:59
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I guess that's the way it goes. What can I say? A few things will change soon. So let's move on to a question that I've had a few people ask me to ask you this question and they would like to know your views on baiting UAP if that's something that you've come across or heard anything about or whether you just believe that it's possible.
00:31:21
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I know Jimmy Blanchett. He is a well-known amateur radio operator. He does Earth, Moon, Earth communications, and he and I have become friends. So Jimmy's been doing this strange thing where he's been baiting UFOs to show up in his beam pattern in front of his antennas for quite a while before
00:31:45
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before things showed up over ships in the in the out the Pacific coast of California and I believe they were baited and we probably even attempted to shoot them down which I think is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of is but I believe Jimmy's work has been co-opted without credit or whatever and use these things because we want that tech really badly.
00:32:13
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Now that's giving you an opinion, but it's the logical trail of when Jimmy started his work and when that stuff has happened out there and the ongoing stuff now, I believe he was the father of that whole thing. And now there are other papers which came out from different places that said, when you see UAPs, you can hear a signal on a certain frequency. And I believe that
00:32:42
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those are electromagnetic pulses that are filtered to certain frequency by the
00:32:53
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the environment that whatever is happening makes in the atmosphere or the ionosphere. So if I were going to look for a portal, I would look for these pulses and see if I could find weird effects.
Technological Ventures and Tracking
00:33:12
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And I believe that we saw one of those things in tearing the sky.
00:33:20
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The movie Tearing the Sky. I believe we saw one and they had that big that Osiris car full of gear. I don't know all the details, but if it had a set of noise figure on the front end and reasonable and they might have had a detection. But it could also be that it was too weak for the thing to pick up given the way the vehicle was outfitted.
00:33:48
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So if I were going to do it and I had a couple of bucks, I would do things a little bit differently. But look, they got that thing happening on hair in the sky and it was weird. The thing was weird and I saw very great detailed photos and coverage by Kevin Kanoo and Matthew Zaregas at SD Huntsville where I met Tim Taylor, Travis Taylor,
00:34:15
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Gary Nolan, John Alexander, it was the hoes of UFOs in Huntsville. So yes, dude, there's something going on in Huntsville and they're going to move space force there. That's unless Colorado delegation manages to change, change my cause to keep it in Colorado. But I think it's too late. I think it's going to be in Huntsville and there and
00:34:43
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I was approached to discuss by a person I won't name about Hawkeye 360, which is a company I founded. And Hawkeye 360 does geolocation of RF emitters on the ground by brand new ideas that I came up with and the company patented.
00:35:05
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Okay. So, and they're very accurate. And of course, a lot of the big, big money guys in the intelligence community hate Hawkeye because of the mathematics and the signal processing and the way the collection is done. I can take a coat hanger and hook it into the antenna port and find these signals with the same level of clarity that they could do if they had an antenna the size of a football field.
00:35:36
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In other words, I traded math and ingenuity for a billion dollar spacecraft. So they're trying to figure out how to take a $10 million spacecraft lost for $1 million, three at a time, and replace the billion dollar industry.
00:35:53
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And people should go and look at the board of advisors of Paul Guy 360, four star generals, former director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, former director of NRO. I mean, come on. I mean, you know, it's just, it's clear where the, and I was so shocked. I couldn't believe it.
00:36:16
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And Hawkeye won a $500 million contract for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency. So I guess I did something good, Vinnie, for once in my life.
00:36:28
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So, and what they wanted was, can they use it? I know what they wanted, but they couldn't tell me, because I no longer have a security service. They wanted to bring me in, but they can't tell stuff to smart people. They want me to geolocate these impulses. These UFOs are generating when they show up. If I can quickly do them with Hawkeye,
00:36:51
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they're going to be able to find them and look at them very quickly. And Hawkeye is now moving its launch services onshore and they will be launched from Wallops Island by Rocket Labs three at a time and the next 15 are staged to go up next year on Rocket Labs from Wallops Island, Virginia. Wow, that's really exciting. And I would love to help them, but they got to get me past the Gary Reed problem.
00:37:17
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Yeah, absolutely. And you mentioned in there about the conference that you attended the SCU or with the who's who of the
Key Figures in UFO Research
00:37:25
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UFO world. So I'd like to get your opinion on a few characters. Firstly, I'd like your opinion on Timothy Taylor and why he's, you know, he's been quite, he's been in the background a lot more than he's been in the forefront of the topic. So I'd like to know what your thoughts are on him.
00:37:42
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Okay, so he and I talked and we talked about each of us being friends with Chris Bledsoe and
00:37:52
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I didn't mention Diana Pasulka, I think that's a sore subject. So I did talk to him about Chris Bledsoe, and I introduced him to my wife, who I told had been cured from her right side weakness following her stroke. And he went wow. So we had a personal conversation, but nothing of substance was exchanged. He was very in the background.
00:38:16
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He was not shy. He walked around. People talked to him, but he was not producing information. He was consuming information. Another really interesting person I talked to was Gary Nolan and I met and talked. That was one of the most interesting conversations I've ever had in my life.
00:38:39
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I believe that there is a chance that I'll be doing some work with Gary in the upcoming year and I have several things in mind we discussed. I'll give you one because it's it's it's it's it I'm on the board of directors of the uh the amateur radio digital communication foundation and it's a large
00:39:01
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foundation at the $250 million foundation and we give out grants in our area and so this was set up we went from uh kind of
00:39:13
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a 501 C three to a foundation. And we had to go through all the legal stuff in California, which is like the hardest place to do that. And that's where Gary is, is in California. So he wants me to advise him on some kind of foundation that he is getting funded by wealthy people around the world who want to do some good works. So that looks like that's something I can talk about everything else. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He put up on Twitter.
00:39:43
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that he was interested in coding digital information inside of DNA. Well, I worked on that problem. So we are scheduled to talk. I just been on the road and haven't been able. So that was super interesting. And the other thing I heard that was super interesting, because I'm sure your audience won't know,
00:40:04
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Eric Davis was on the back wall when John Alexander gave his talk. And John Alexander says, listen, don't talk to me about the Wilson Docks. There's the author back there. He pointed at Davis and called him the author. OK, so I'm not going to tell anything about John's talk because that's sequestered for internal visitors until it's released on YouTube.
00:40:28
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But I will say his extemporaneous remarks were interesting, including, Doctor the author about they will send Docs. He can tell you now. Let me tell you what else I saw. You would think that Eric Davis would be pissed off about that.
00:40:46
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Right? I mean, he would be upset if he didn't want that out. He and John Alexander sat next to each other at the next table to me after the conference. They sat there buddy buddy for two hours after Alexander outed him. I think this was staged. Whoa. Interesting.
00:41:12
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What do you think, though? What are your thoughts on Wilson Davis? I know Richard Dolan. I know Grant Cameron. I know who put it on Reddit. So in the weirdest synchronicity you can possibly imagine, I moved into my new home in Alabama. And I opened up a daybook for where I had attended a Maysent conference.
00:41:41
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And at the mason conference, I saw a friend. The friend told me to come up to his office and he showed me a note or email, I can't quite remember, from Admiral Wilson. And he was complaining about wanting to know where these saps were and how to get in them and so forth. And he wanted this guy's help and this guy could help him.
00:42:06
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And the guy, that's the last I ever spoke of that to this guy, because I went, man, this is the former director of the DIA. Let me tell you what I would do. I would burn that note and pretend I never saw it, and I left the guy's office. So you see why I forgot it. But the daybook just happened to open to that entry when I found it in my filing cabinet.
00:42:31
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Wow. That's amazing. I do believe, am I right? Just so you know, just so you and your audience know, I no longer have the daybook. I don't want to know anything about it. Wow. I don't want anybody asking me for it. It's gone. There was a little bonfire.
00:42:56
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Fair enough, fair enough. One thing I was just going to say, I believe that the name of the person that put the Wilson Davis onto Reddit was released today, and I think, am I right in saying it was Chase? Chase something? Was it Chase Williams? Yes, yes, it is Chase, yes.
00:43:14
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If Grant Cameron releases it, I will affirmatively say that the name Grant is talking about is the person, but the facts are that's been known for a long time.
00:43:29
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Yeah, it's like everywhere. It's not been a secret. And I don't understand. I have no idea what UFO Joe is on about. But all this being a secret when it was known all over the place, who put it up there. It's not this big revelation. I don't know where what mergers on about. I don't mean you have a Joe. I mean, Joe merger. I don't know why Joe merges all up in arms has been known for a while.
00:43:53
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I think maybe because it's not been plastered all over Twitter and it's probably been known by a select few behind the scenes. I think it's more than a select few. I think it's been quite wide. Because I don't think this guy actually tried to keep it a secret. I think he was proud of it and he blabbed all over the place that he did it.
00:44:15
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Oh, I must have missed it then because I wasn't aware of the name you see. So now I feel a bit like I've been left out of some, some secret club. Well, it's easy to get left. You're not in it every single day. No, fair enough. When you're, when you're trapped, you're trapped in your side, in your house for a year and a half by COVID, you have a lot of time to waste.
00:44:36
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Yeah, absolutely. If we can move on, Bob, to some questions that I've got lined up here from people in the live chat here.
Collaborations and Theories
00:44:47
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Oh, actually, first of all, I just want to give a shout out to Lala Bright. Thank you so much for the super stick of Lala. I believe you two are both on the show together. May I say that Lala and I started a company and Lala is an experiencer.
00:45:04
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Multiple time abductee, regularly sees UFOs.
00:45:10
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is an unbelievable psychic. And so she's been hiding almost her entire life. But when her parents told her she needed to be quiet, she was going to be ridiculed and she almost got fired a few times for reading people. And so she's completely hidden her unbelievable talents until now.
00:45:35
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and you can look on her Facebook page and I'm not gonna say anything everybody can't see if they go to her Facebook page. She was born August of 1981 so everybody can see how long she has been in hiding and so she had a tragic loss in her family and it caused her to want to be help others who've lost people in their families and she started going around doing readings and when she saw my mother was passing
00:46:04
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she offered to do a reading for me and my mother passed and I recall this and I asked her for the reading telling her I was a hard science skeptic but I was curious because I'm interested in consciousness and all this other stuff and it didn't take two minutes for her to completely blow me away. She knew stuff that only my mother and I knew. Now
00:46:30
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Is that ESP? Well, the second part was even better. It closes that off. She told me stuff I had no idea about.
00:46:41
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But if my dead mother was telling her to tell me that, my dead mother would know how easy it would be for me to find it out. And there was equal numbers of things I knew, but no one else knew, and things I didn't know that my mother knew that I was able to find out and she was 100% right.
00:47:03
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100%. So now we started this company, and she's got a bunch, she's doing a readings for a bunch of people. And the reviews are all five stars. She's just unreal. And we haven't even got to her aliens. I mean, we covered that on SOR. She's been messed about with by the Anunnaki.
00:47:28
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And not only that, when I heard with my own ears, her interacting with them over the phone, she says, what does that mean? I said, oh, do you mean Anunnaki? She says, I guess sometimes I don't hear it. Well, the correct pronunciation from that era was Anunnaki. How could you possibly know this?
00:47:48
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She didn't even know what they were. So we thought that because it had reptile-like skin, she thought it was a reptilian until Dave told us on air, if they're hooded, it's an hunky. I mean, listen to me, I'm blown away. I'm having a great time learning a bunch of stuff. And in this, she's the 90% owner of the company and I'm the 10% owner business manager. And I'm plowing all the money back into the company to raise its value.
00:48:16
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So anyway, this wasn't about this, but I just had to say something. That's absolutely fine. I'm glad Lala's out in the community now. Thank you so much for the donation, Lala. And yeah, that's great. It's good to know you guys are working together. So yeah, awesome. I've got a question here from Rokku Demela. Do you have a personal theory on what the phenomena ultimately is?
00:48:40
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I believe that the universe has more dimensions than four.
00:48:49
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And there are four-dimensional spaces like ours that are perpendicular to ours. And if you do the right kind of transformation, you can move from their four dimensions into our four dimensions, and that's linear transformation. So it's really, I'm doing math. But to me, the explanation is like, it's gotta be something this simple.
00:49:13
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And when you see these portals opening, they're doing that weird transformation that we all wish we could figure out. We all wish we could figure it out so we could do it. And, you know, I've just got these ideas that it's things that are moving from a different four dimensional space, which is perpendicular to ours. That's like changing frequency. People call it different. I call it the wrong that other dimensions at a different angle and rotate into hours when they want to visit.
00:49:44
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Right, yeah. I can, I can, I think that kind of area is sort of more towards what I would go with at the moment. But then again, my views and opinions change fairly regularly. Well, I mean, there's, there's a thousand opinions and has ironclad proof there. There you go. So I've got one and it may be wrong.
00:50:06
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Sure. And that's the thing. There's nothing wrong with being wrong as well. You know, I think it's a good thing. So I've got another question here. Walter asks what your thoughts are on the CIA's gateway program. You know, I don't know that much about it. So I don't think it's not that I'm trying to keep a secret is I just don't know that much about it. So I'd rather comment than make a mistake.
00:50:34
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No problem at all, no problem. What else have we got here?
Personal Experiences and Future Plans
00:50:39
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What are your views on CE5? Oh, so Lala and a friend of hers and I went out to a park and we did the meditation and everything and we saw this thing in the sky that did a squirrel
00:50:58
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And the swirl, the swirl brightened big like these things are supposed to and moved off and vanished. And Lala found a raky symbol online that is identical to what we saw in the sky.
00:51:17
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I'm just telling you, I've seen it with my own eyes, and I intend to do quite most of the E5, because I don't know what it is. But I would love to do. And Jimmy Blanchett, that's what he does, is he uses his radio gear to do what other people do with tones. Right. And he's taking videos of things showing up right in front of his radio fantastic. So I'm a radio operator. I'm going to play with him.
00:51:48
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Yeah. Well, I also want to do the meditation stuff. So we'll see. Excellent. Whatever it takes.
00:51:56
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Absolutely. I'm sure everything's worth giving a go, that's for sure. Now, one thing, one subject I did want to bring up with you before we finish here is Skinwalker Ranch because it's a very split in the community. A lot of people struggle with it being legitimate. Personally, I think there is something anomalous going on there. Can I prove it? Of course not, but I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are and leading into that with your thoughts on Travis Taylor as well.
00:52:22
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I think Travis Taylor, I knew him before all of this. So he and I are not friends, but I've given him papers and he's given me papers. We've interacted with each other. And he would not be the chief scientist if he was a nothing. He's not a nothing, he's a something. The guy has five degrees, come on. All right, so Lala and I are going to Berlin, Utah to the conference. That is not by accident.
00:52:52
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I haven't nailed all that down. I'm not going to say much, but I am in contact and have been in contact with people at Boniface Branch and personal contact with Brandon Fuegal and people can go find my interview of Brandon Fuegal on the Science Bob segment out radio.
00:53:14
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So he and I know each other and I've asked him for the ability to do some stuff. And the difference between me and a lot of other people that approach all of them is I want nothing. I don't wanna be paid, I don't want anything, but I don't want them to restrict what I can do with what I find. And so Lala and I are gonna go out there, set up a tent, she's gonna do readings and face painting and other stuff, and I'm gonna go over the brand.
00:53:39
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If allowed. So I will, if allowed, I'll only go if I can talk. So if I can go and I can talk, I will come back and tell everybody what I see in mine. But I have some ideas. I'd be interested to hear what you, what comes from that, definitely. That conference begins the second week of September. And is that, is that phenomenon? Is that the one?
00:54:09
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it is. Man, you should look at the people who are going. Oh, I've seen it yet. I mean, I'm over here in the UK, otherwise I'd be there like a shot.
00:54:19
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But yeah, no, I really do look forward to seeing what comes of that. And one of the thing I suppose, Bobby, is I'd like to get you back on in the future, maybe when you have a stronger connection as well, and we can sort of dig a bit deeper into these things when you're not on the road, if that's something you'd be willing to do. Vinny, I love your show. I love the way you do interviews. I'm going to turn on my video so you can see my face. There we go. You're the better.
00:54:44
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uh interactive uh people who conduct really expert level uh interactions with people look I mean XO Academy and gave his first serious here I am my face here uh talking with somebody who knew something about what's going on uh in addition to being interviewed by some others
00:55:08
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uh and xo is uh let me say because he's put it out in public just let me say xo got a reading from lala and he is blown away
00:55:21
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blown away. Okay, wants to work with her and God bless them. Go at it. So I think as things like this go on, people are going to figure out that you can hide for 41 years and still be an interesting addition to our community.
00:55:42
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Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. She's going to be mad at me. She's going to be mad at me. I should have said 21. Oh, that's amazing. Oh man. Well, listen, Bob, thank you so much. I won't keep you on any longer because you must, you know, you sat in your car, but please. I almost stirred some stuff up because I bet we did.
00:56:06
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I hope so too. I can't wait to see what the feedback we get on this one. Yeah, please stay in touch, Bob, because we will have to do this again real soon. I know there's a million other questions out there and we can dig deeper on the next one. But for now, Bob, thank you so much. Thank you to everybody in the live chat. We will do this again, I promise. I can see Bob coming on to one of my panel shows where we have a real deep dive with multiple people. So look out for those kind of things in the future. For now, everyone.
00:56:37
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See what, sorry? The honour was all mine, all mine. Well, until the next time, guys, thank you very much. See you then. Bye bye.