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EPISODE 13: ROOKIE REDO DRAFT W/SPECIAL GUEST
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We bring a special guest on this week's episode to recap week 8, Redo our Rookie Draft and of course have another edition of our DK Lineup Challenge!
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Introduction and Special Guest
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to the non-stop Fantasy Weekly Dynasty podcast. We are here with your hosts, Dave Reed, Ray Wilkinson, and Joey Gallo. That was a special guest.
00:00:27
Speaker
Welcome in to the NSFW Dynasty Podcast. You may have heard in the intro, this is a little new. We have a special guest, but before we get into that, I'm your host, Dave Reed, joined by my co-host, Ryan Wilkinson and Joey Gallo.
00:00:43
Speaker
Hey, everyone. Hey, and yes, we have a special guest today. We'd like to welcome in one of our own league mates. He's also the individual who had, far away, I think he had like 60% of the trades in our startup draft and still trading, and we'll get to that later in the regular season, is also the brother-in-law, one of our co-hosts here, so no nepotism on this pod, but I'd like to welcome in Michael Schluter.
00:01:10
Speaker
Hey, thanks, guys. Been excited all day. Can't wait to talk some football.
Week 8 QB Injuries Discussion
00:01:14
Speaker
That's right, and loving the raving gear. And if you're watching this on video, which hopefully we get on our TikToks, his whole room is painted ravens purple, basically. Absolutely. Had his commitment. He's provided us with a lot of content this year, so Dave had to get him on the pod.
00:01:33
Speaker
That is for sure. Honestly, probably the most of anyone. Tim and Scott, basically. Most trades. But yeah, I mean, we got a lot on the spot today. We have a rookie redo draft. So we're going to redo the rookie draft based on what we know now about these players and their situations.
00:01:54
Speaker
Run through what else happened in week eight, but also as we do whenever we bring any special guests on our pod Which we've only done once before so I can still say always We're gonna do a draft Kings lineup battle four-way battle. I am the undefeated champ 1-0 Joe is the biggest loser so far, but I'm expecting a big rebound from him But we'll see how many of the podcasts or Schluter can take out and actually we didn't mention Would we like to wager on this DK battle again?
00:02:25
Speaker
I'm always down. Throw dollar value. It's on record. Let's get it on record.
00:02:33
Speaker
20 again, more? Yeah, we could stick with the 20. All right, we'll stick with 20. Winner takes all, 20 by 11. Stakes are high here, boys. But before we get into that, we did have another week of football and week eight, the final week of October, because we are now in November. But there were a lot of unfortunate injuries, mainly to the quarterback position, which was pretty interesting and devastating. I'm sure a lot of lineups. But the first one that is most devastating of all is Kirk Cousin.
00:03:01
Speaker
He tore his Achilles, and he is out for the year. This is also the last year of his contract, so his future is a bit up in the air. I mean, already kind of was. The Vikings seemed to want to move on from him, so obviously a lot of repercussions in Minnesota. But they also already traded for Dobbs out of Arizona, who's having a solid year as hopefully a stopgap. But for this week, it's going to be Jaren Hall.
00:03:26
Speaker
We got also Matthew Stafford sprained his the UCL on his thumb. He is currently day to day ripen I think is how you pronounce the name got in there points throughout the game Stafford did get back in, but it is something to watch you may not be able to go this week.
00:03:41
Speaker
Kenny Pickett hurt his ribs, and Trubisky, Mitch Mitchell, the Mitchell got in, but it does sound like Pickett is gonna make sure he plays somehow on Thursday Night Football, so we'll see. Ty God, or Ty Rod Taylor, he was playing starting for the Giants again, but the guy seems to have issues with his ribs always, I feel like that's what happened last time he was playing. He ended up having to go to the hospital. Tommy DeVito of Syracuse fame, I know,
00:04:11
Speaker
on this pod, so we all knew that. Other people, who's this guy? We're like, it's my man. He did not look great. Wasn't great. Was not a great showing. Well, yeah, it was really bad. But I think it was so bad, actually, that after the game, Danny Jones magically is now healed and was cleared for contact and will be playing this week.
00:04:38
Speaker
Desmond Ritter went into concussion protocol and Heineke came in and then Ritter was cleared and Heineke stayed in and now Heineke is also the starter for week nine. So very interested to see what's going on in Atlanta. I personally have always been a Heineke fan. He kind of slings it, which will be interesting to see how that goes in Atlanta for the Falcons.
00:04:58
Speaker
Drake in London, though, one of his main targets did lead the game with a groin injury. And not sure if he's going to play this week. It's still something that we got to keep an eye on. So it could be a big tight end target game for Hineke there.
Fantasy Implications and Rookie Redo Draft
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Speaker
Darren Waller left with a hamstring, was ruled out pretty early.
00:05:16
Speaker
just making that game maybe an uglier. And they got an update today that actually might be a multi-week injury. So that's a big blow to the tight end position. Kendrick Bourne was getting an MRI on his, I think it was his MCL and it turned out he tore his ACL. So he's out for the year, was having a pretty under the radar solid season. Devontae Parker also left with a concussion, not that anything in
00:05:39
Speaker
New England really matters. That team is a disaster. Curtis Samuel left with a foot toe injury. He's getting more tests. Did open up some targets for other wide receivers there, which I'm sure we'll talk about. Dotson finally showed up. Travis Etienne had an ankle injury. But he did get back in and does what Etienne does and that has scored touchdowns. And finally, Josh Palmer had a knee injury. He did get back in there, but we'll see how that progresses as the wide receiver
00:06:09
Speaker
There is getting pretty thin, but what are some of your guys thoughts on these injuries? It'll be interesting to see I'm sorry Be interesting to see how the Atlanta offense looks if Drake London doesn't play Does Kyle Pitts finally get kind of unleashed or does it open up the opportunity for someone like Matt Collins who?
00:06:35
Speaker
Honestly, he has been looking half decent, but it's just, you know, Desmond, doesn't matter. It stinks. Juno, Juno Smith is going to be the guy I need him today. Yeah. But we'll see how that offense looks in the absence of Desmond Ritter and with Heineke at quarterback. And yeah, I mean, it's convenient that Daniel Jones was just cleared for contact. It actually kind of stunk that Tyra Taylor went out because the Giants would have won that game. Yep.
00:07:04
Speaker
He didn't go out and he was playing well. If you look at like the metrics for all of Tyrod Taylor's games over the last, I don't know how many years of his career relative to Daniel Jones. I mean, I think you could make a strong case that Tyrod is an objectively better quarterback, but it'll be nice to see. Yeah.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the list just gets longer every week. There's always some crazy injuries, but Kirk Cousins obviously hurts. I think it's interesting there. There was always some back and forth if you were doing a startup dynasty draft, if you should take Chase over Justin Jefferson just because Justin Jefferson was tied to Kirk Cousins and we all knew we only had a year or two left.
00:07:54
Speaker
You know, Jamar Chase was tied to Joe Burrow for the foreseeable future. So we're going to get an early look at how that offense does without Kirk Cousins. But, you know, Jamar Chase might potentially be the dynasty wide receiver one now going forward and then.
00:08:12
Speaker
Stafford, how does that impact Puka who has been on fire and cup also there? Just a lot of interesting injuries to the quarterback position. And then, like you said, Tyrod Taylor went out and we got a nice glimpse of some Syracuse fame, but DeVito did not look great. I think he completed two passes for negative yardage and it doesn't look like he'll be playing again.
00:08:39
Speaker
Yeah, those are those are not metrics that we're going to want to bring up again at all. But you know that the cousins injury. Yeah, I mean I was already on the fan. I was leaning. I think the chase side.
00:08:51
Speaker
because of that quarterback situation. You do hope they get an improvement over their current situation in the off season. But it also seems for Addison, who was really showing up, and Jefferson's absence. So it seemed like that was, Cousins was really developing something there. That really stinks to see a young rookie who was clearly ascending kind of get some water thrown on his fire. So yeah, it's definitely speaks. So that Drake London injury, what Joey said,
00:09:21
Speaker
I really feel bad for is the pits owners. You know why? Because it's giving them that much more hope. Your pits is going to come around and get all those targets. They're getting that little bit of hope just to crush them again. Or even if he does and he gets a bunch of targets, as soon as Drake London comes back, those targets are going away. So I really feel bad for the pits owners on that one. Yeah, you can't bench pits. Yeah, you can't.
00:09:50
Speaker
Spoiler alert, I actually, in the first draft of my DraftKings lineup this afternoon, I actually had Kyle Pitts in there. On the hope of Heineke and no London, I'm like, you know what, I'm buying it, I'm going Pitts. And then 10 minutes before the pod, I swapped them out. Yeah.
00:10:06
Speaker
It's fun. You always get excited at first, like, all right, I got it. And then when you actually have to rely on him, you're like, I'm sick. I don't want to have to rely on him. The numbers just don't go anywhere. You just see the two and the three, and then finally four points and you're excited. That's what's said. I know.
00:10:23
Speaker
I am excited to see Heineken. I think in the start-up draft, I think Ryan, you drafted him and he was someone I was actually, I was excited about because I thought he had a path to starting because I didn't think Ritter was that good. And Heineken, when he was in Washington, he slings it. He can have big games, so he can definitely, I mean, Ritter was throwing more than I was expecting, but I do think he can bring some excitement to the receiving options in Atlanta, so we'll say.
Team Performance Highlights
00:10:52
Speaker
But other than that, there was a, what are some positives or any other, uh, non-injury related takeaways did you guys have from week eight? Well, sticking with quarterbacks, I feel like we have to talk about Will Lewis through for four touchdowns kind of out of nowhere. Um, you know, I think, I think he did go in the first round in our initial rookie draft, but I think we all
00:11:14
Speaker
kind of were questioning that pick. But after that game, it's kind of validated four touchdowns. Going to get a shot and looked pretty good. Yeah, I mean, he was throwing down to my boy Hopkins for three bombs there. Yeah, I mean, I was out on Will Love us. Now I have to actually watch and see if I was right or not. It was one game. We do see people flash when people aren't prepared. But it's hard to argue with those type of early season results there.
00:11:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, for me, it's interesting to see kind of the fantasy impact of the cowboys and how it's basically all through the air right now. And, you know, Squeaky Wheel gets the grease. And I think, you know, I think they realized that they needed to get CD Land involved more maybe two or three weeks ago. And ever since then, he's just been obviously
00:12:13
Speaker
you know, a feature in the offense and Tony Pollard has not looked great, uh, basically for the last six or seven weeks at this point. And on the flip side, um, you know, it's like the opposite in Jacksonville, where, um, Trevor Lawrence is not playing terribly, but his fantasy value is, is being severely impact impacted by, you know, like we've discussed many times, um, about the fact that the offense is running entirely through Travis Etienne.
00:12:43
Speaker
So I think for right now, and again, not to spoil, but I think this is a sneak peek into how my DraftKings lineup is going to look later. I'm in on the Cowboys passing attack right now. I think that Dak's looking okay, and they're not really getting too much effectiveness from the ground game. So it's kind of wheels up for CD-Limp.
00:13:09
Speaker
You know, I love that. Um, but yeah, it is very interesting, especially all off season. They just talked about running the ball and they're like, we're not good at it. Um, and our best player is CD lamb. So they're just going to run the offense through him. Um,
00:13:22
Speaker
Another quarterback as well that came back and I know it I'm bringing this one up because we were talking about last pod is Joe burrow He looks like he's back. That was the thing. We were very interested He was on the by last week, but he looked healthy. He had a couple of runs I think you threw three touchdowns. So that was that was a big performance there There was the battle of the two top picks in Bryce young versus CJ shroud The Panthers got their first win and Bryce looked the best he's had all year. I wouldn't say I'm like
00:13:50
Speaker
enamored with the performance, but it is good to see the young quarterback growing in his role. But no one is touching Sam Howell, who is the QB one. And anytime Sam Howell does really well, I'm going to talk about it. Because I love the man I've been in on him. And I think he's a QB eight on the air. I mean, he's been great. He's had a couple of bad weeks, but a lot of big ones. But he finally got Johan Dotson involved. And that's really what I want to talk about. He had 10 targets.
00:14:17
Speaker
It's your first round pick for a wide receiver, finally getting him involved. It's a crazy concept, but it seemed to work there. And then another one dear to my heart, Givante Williams wasn't always the most efficient. He'd had 27 rushes for 85 yards, but 27 rushes. And he also scored his first touchdown through the air. So he finally might be rounding back in the form that we were hoping he would from injury. Yeah, I think the thing with Givante Williams is that he just finally got the volume. I was looking, I think,
00:14:46
Speaker
that was almost like doubled the amount of carries he's received up to this point in any game. So if he keeps getting that type of volume, then he probably will produce, but he just hasn't had that through the first seven weeks. So we'll see if he keeps getting that many attempts going forward. And then yeah, Datsun obviously 10 targets, you know, maybe some of that had to do with Chris Samuel going down. And I don't know if he's officially out or not this week, we'll see, but, um,
00:15:14
Speaker
Good to see him get the 10 targets, and hopefully he's now back. Yeah, he had a bunch of targets last week too, and he was struggling with drops and all this other nonsense.
00:15:25
Speaker
It was a lack of targets, but also he just didn't really seem very confident for the first half of the season. When you're the holder of a football set of catcher, I think it gets in your head. Yeah, I mean, it really seems like he's kind of turning your corner. And you mentioned Bryce Young. I think I saw something when I was trying to decide who to wager on going into this week. I did a wagering on Carolina. I heard something on a podcast where they
00:15:53
Speaker
They kind of said that there's a strong history of rookie quarterbacks post or following the bye, making kind of like a, you know, a material leap in QBR and what have you. So it was good to see from Bryce Young. I'm sure that Harry and Dan were maybe now not completely convinced that they had a dove with their,
00:16:21
Speaker
with the first-round rookie pick last year, and still not looking great, but it's good to see him get it. Yeah. And also with the bright shot, I think coming out of the bye as well, they changed the play calling duties. I think Frank Wright is the coach there. He was calling the offensive calls, the plays. That changed. He's no longer making those calls. And it was
00:16:44
Speaker
Interesting to see what that would do and it seemed to be more confident throws to brush on but also his depth of target increased a bit Which obviously fantasy you want to see that but it made it seem like he was a lot more comfortable in the offense there So that was good to see Who's not looking comfortable right now is Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers?
Rookie Redo Draft Begins
00:17:04
Speaker
No idea what's going on with that team right now. They looked literally unstoppable and
00:17:10
Speaker
wheels have fallen off. I'm not concerned long term, but it's crazy in the NFL to see a team. I remember this was when the Rams back in the day, like early got, they looked like no one could touch them and then all of a sudden they start losing a few. So NFL
00:17:25
Speaker
teams are smart, they start figuring things out. So that was kind of crazy to see. And also can't go without saying the Raiders just cleared house. I think was it today or yesterday, they got rid of overnight, maybe ever to have their coach GM OC bench their quarterback. It is a disaster in Vegas right now. And quite frankly, I'm not necessarily sure that Adrian O'Connell is the answer either, but he's not.
00:17:52
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think anyone thinks he is. I guess he kind of like what we have. He did play well in preseason. He does kind of sling the ball around a little bit more. So maybe a situation where Devontae Adams went in there and was like, yeah, you got to do something, guys. Let's just throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. You also know Aiden O'Connell is not going to say no to Devontae Adams when he's like, throw me the ball every play. He's like, whatever you want, Mr. Adams.
00:18:19
Speaker
I thought about that for the DK lineup. I was like, well, I feel like Adams is going to get a ton of targets, but are they going to be good targets? I don't know. We'll see. You got to feel for Novante. That guy just got the rug ripped out from under him. Man, what a disaster.
00:18:36
Speaker
Looking into mistakes made or positive picks, let's roll into our rookie redo draft. So just a little reminder of how this is going to work. Our league settings, we're a super flex tight end premium league. So that's going to be the scoring settings that we keep in mind for this draft. And now when we're drafting, this is not going to be team dependent. We're just going based on who we think is the best value at that point.
00:19:02
Speaker
in the draft. We're just going to take a turn taking a pick. So we'll get into the draft in a second, but we'll go in order of four picks in a row, and then we'll go back to the top for the drafter there. But we're going to only do the first two rounds, and there's 12 picks in a round. So we're going to do 24 picks total, which I think come out to about six picks each. But before we get in there, any questions, guys? No, I'm ready. Let me get that first pick.
00:19:30
Speaker
That's right. So with the first pick, the order that we're going to go, Ryan, I let him go first, mainly because Ryan didn't pick in the first round of the rookie draft. He didn't get to pick in the second round. So this is the first time doing that. He also barely picked in the third round. He was the last pick in the third round. So this guy was deprived of rookie picks. And the ones he did make, I don't think you're going to hear about today. So I wanted to give him that chance. And then after that, it'll be Schluter, then Joey, and myself. And then we'll go back to Ryan at the top there. But with that, Ryan.
00:19:59
Speaker
You're on the clock, man. First pick overall. Let's hear it. Yeah, it's nice to be able to pick in the first two rounds, for sure. I know. And just a reminder, with the first pick in our draft, this was Bijon Robinson.
00:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, and it wasn't as easy as I think it was when we had the rookie draft, but I did still go with Bijon Robinson. He looks electric when he has the ball. He's RB 13 on the year. He really only had one down game in week seven, and that apparently was to an illness he didn't really play. And he's averaging like 13 fantasy points a week if you exclude that week.
00:20:39
Speaker
You know, you were expecting a bit more, but it's really solid production. Future is still very bright. You know, he's done this with a ritter at QB and now Heineke is taking over. So maybe that even helps him out a little more. But everyone compares him to Barkley, who's now in his fifth year with, you know, tons of carries the last couple of games. So if he stays at that level, he'll be a lead. I still think he got to go with him first overall. Yeah, I agree. Joe, this was your pick. How do you feel about it?
00:21:10
Speaker
Yeah, you know, somebody who's a little bit disappointed in Bijan's production this year, my natural inclination was to kind of be like, eh, let's maybe go quarterback. But I agree, right? If I was put in that spot and you needed to make the pick again, I would pick Bijan and hope that Arthur Smith gets strapped on a rocket to the moon.
00:21:37
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean he just seems like this also the safest pick there too and like you're getting top-end production and a lot of times for me when I'm picking the top you want something that you know is not gonna bust on you and Bijan's not busting. So I think he's still deserving of the 101.
00:21:57
Speaker
With the next pick, we got Schluter in our draft. This was actually myself and it was Anthony Richardson at number two, so where are you going with it? Anthony Richardson would be a great pick. Dijon would be a great pick, but I still would take this guy first overall and that's CJ because look at him. He had one down week.
00:22:19
Speaker
He's a rookie, taking care of the ball. His first, what, three, four weeks, he had three bad linemen, four out of five linemen, so his linemen are there. He's still done it with injured wide receivers. He's still getting it, and he's taking care of the ball. What more could you ask for more rookie? And run game there is horrific. So if they get the run game going, it opens up. I think the game's going to slow down for him. He's going to be even better. Wide receivers get healthy, get a little run game. I think he's going to be better in Richardson.
00:22:48
Speaker
Bijon numbers are down. They got to figure out their QB system So I think CJ is just solid, you know from here on out. So I'm going I'm going CJ Yeah, I actually like it and you know knowing what we know now Richardson's now You know missing the year as well and who knows how he comes back from injury I did have CJ Stroud at number two or maybe three on my list But he also only has one interception on the air to nine touchdowns. So he's looked pretty good He's looked good. He's showing a lot of
00:23:18
Speaker
Good leadership and maturity sounds good in his, you know interviews and it seems like he's he's the package I also I mean not for nothing. I'm maybe a little biased because I thought I should have won the Heisman Trophy last year, but I thought he was Showed a little bit more in college than than Bryce Young. I mean a lot of that people chopped up to Ohio State having just like an NFL caliber offensive line, but you know, he's behind a
00:23:45
Speaker
a pretty low average, however offensive line right now. And he's doing just fine. So I like it. I was actually, I was anticipating that Richardson was going to go second. So I'm thinking, well, it'll be a layup here to go. Um, but yeah, I mean, honestly, he's more of a pocket passer. And like Ryan said, Richardson's already like, not only has he missed time with the concussion, then he took, then he obviously, uh,
00:24:13
Speaker
suffered like a season ending shoulder. Like it's just Russian quarterbacks and especially like he was, he was like rushing pretty violently. He's a big guy. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if these types of things are something he faces throughout his career. Yeah. Honestly, I, for me, the two or three spun difference. I, I had strata three for myself. Uh, he's looked great. There's no question about it. And I think he is easily set up to have, uh, the longest, uh,
00:24:41
Speaker
longevity is on the side, the longest career, potentially any of the quarterbacks. The only reason myself I'd give Anthony Richardson the leg up is purely from a fantasy standpoint. I think Richardson's ceiling is higher. He'll win you championships. I don't know if Stroud has the ceiling to really, really get you there to win you, but
00:25:00
Speaker
At the same time, I still think he's going to be at work back in QB1. And get a blow up game. So I always go for the ceiling plays. But again, that is splitting hairs there. And I think the strat is probably safer, as we've already seen, based on this year with injuries. So I like to pick. But moving on to number three. This was Bryce Young at number three. I'm going to guess that's not the pick right now. But Joe, the clock's on for you now.
Rookie Draft Picks Analysis
00:25:28
Speaker
Yeah, that's not going to be the pick.
00:25:31
Speaker
Um, yeah, so I will take Anthony Richardson here. Um, I, again, just kind of, I, I share your opinion, Dave, when it comes to Richardson, where if I was choosing who I would prefer to be quarterback for, for the Giants, I would in a second choose Stroud. If I was, I would want to be quarterback for my fantasy team. I'd probably choose Richardson. He had.
00:25:56
Speaker
two games of 10 plus rushing attempts, four touchdowns in three games to start the season. He actually looked competent passing the ball to the culture winning game. So I do think the rushing upside is pretty strong there. And yeah, I mean, if he can stay healthy, he'll he'll do a lot of good things. No argument for me, as you know. It will be interesting to see just where, you know, we talk about Bryce Young and not to
00:26:26
Speaker
You know where he goes make too many more jokes at Harry's expense But it'll be it'll be interesting to see exactly how far he slides. I'm curious There are a couple names on that go in the first round I'm interested to see where they fall So and again, we're tracking to see the difference in these picks as we make them so see stage Stroud maybe a two-spot leap because he was at 104 which is where I'm gonna be drafting so see straight Stroud run fourth and
00:26:52
Speaker
Um, the, the young slide is going to continue. Um, so I'm actually torn between two players here. Um, and the difference for me is whoever I think has the higher potential for, uh, avoiding injury or having a longer career. And for me, that means I'm going to lean Jamir Gibbs, um, at number four. He, I mean, he just had his first game this past week showing out.
00:27:17
Speaker
getting all the work, granted Montgomery was not playing yet, but you started seeing that explosiveness really take shine and he'd be a game breaker there. And he can handle a decent workload. He is a little bit smaller than you'd want your future back to be, and I don't think he'll ever be a true future back, but you've also seen
00:27:34
Speaker
Games with him having like double-digit targets already and that's kind of what you're hoping they spent was the 12th overall pick on him and I think it can be a Someone who can definitely win a title for you. So that's a that's why I'm leaning Gibbs, but I'll withhold who I was thinking with my other pick until he gets selected but I'm curious to see where you guys will go with the guy who I was You know split between on this one
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think Gibbs makes sense. Really. The only thing that holds him back from someone like Robinson is that Montgomery is there. Um, but we've seen what he can do without him. So, you know, obviously a solid pick. Um, yeah, this, this next pick is tough. Honestly, I think, uh, there's a couple of guys on my mind and it kind of comes down to what position I really want to go with. And this is the fifth pick, which was Jumera Gibbs in our rookie draft. So.
00:28:30
Speaker
It is tough. It's tough. I'm gonna, this could be a little biased because I don't really have one, um, in our league, but I'm actually good. Quarterback, right? No, no, no, no. We just don't have a tight end. I'm going to go with Sam report. I mean, he, uh, he's breaking records. He's tight on number three on the year already. I just feel like he's already jumped into that Kelsey Andrews hockus and tear.
00:28:59
Speaker
And we are in a tight end premium league You know, I looking at the list Dalton Kincaid went 11 in our startup draft. So Yeah, I don't know I'm going with him I know it's a huge jump up but I think he's proved it and he's really been producing game after game golf looks good and You know, there are other weapons on that team and he's still producing I don't so
00:29:25
Speaker
This is the biggest jump from the rookie draft. It was 16 slots. I actually had him at eight for me. So he was knocking him past my next pick. So I don't think here at five, that's too much of a reach in my opinion, especially in the tight end premium. But curious to see what our other co-hosts think of this and our special guest. Yeah, for me personally, I would have, I think I would have taken maybe two guys
00:29:56
Speaker
Two or actually three guys definitive. Well, yeah, three guys definitively before which puts him at one, two, three, four, eight. I think that we're probably thinking about the same guys. I don't I wouldn't necessarily like we were actually doing this draft right now. I wouldn't blame you for making the pick though, because quite frankly, depending on need, I had a team where I actually was kind of deep at wide receiver.
00:30:22
Speaker
I would have absolutely no issue taking the border here. He looks awesome. And he's got he kind of looks like Gronk out there. Like I can't be the only one who feels that way. But I just kind of feel like he reminds me of Gronk the way he just kind of like is like huge and actually really quick and just kind of like flattens guys over the middle. It's it's cool.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yep, that's just what I was going to say. I was going to say the eye test. He meets it. He looks good. He's fluid. He finds the gap. He looks like he knows what he's doing, especially for a rookie. They say tight ends are slower to come into the NFL. He looks good. You never see a team lean this much on a rookie tight end. It's crazy. That was going to be my pick, right? That was a great pick.
00:31:09
Speaker
The next pick then, the sixth overall pick, that leads us with Schluter then, which was JSN. This was, I think, also Schluter. Was this your pick as well? You get to potentially redo it or take the guy again. We'll see what happens.
00:31:24
Speaker
You know, being my first year dynasty, I'm starting to realize how valuable quarterbacks really are. Even if you have too many of them, that's just a lot of value sitting there on your bench. You could get whoever you want late in the season. So I'm going to go with Bryce Young because someone's going to need them at some time. And he's just sitting there waiting for a couple of first round picks or a running back if I need them, you know.
00:31:46
Speaker
So I'm going Brace Young. Nothing, nothing too good to say about his performance, but the slide ends. He's value. He's value on my bench for, you know, coming into it. Yeah. I actually don't think it's a bad pick. I think a lot of people are on him, but it's pretty rare for rookie QBs to make like a huge fantasy impact right away. And I feel like with the Richardson and Stroud kind of doing that young has been sort of written off compared to them, but.
00:32:14
Speaker
We've seen a lot of turnover at the QB position this year already, and he's the clear starter in Carolina. You should get to improve all year long. Like you said, in a super flex league, quarterbacks are super valuable. We've seen how quickly a quarterback situation can change. He's got a lot of value, I think.
00:32:36
Speaker
He's been improving each week, which I think is the positive thing to see. When he started out, he kind of looked like a deer in headlights. But the past two games he's played, actually, you've seen some major improvements. So yeah, I mean, that's all you want from a rookie quarterback. We've obviously, we get spoiled when we see other rookies come out and are game ready. And it kind of makes you overestimate or underestimate how difficult that position is in the transition from college. So I still think that's a solid pick. And yeah, and the super flex, obviously, the value is there.
00:33:06
Speaker
But moving over, I think this was also a Schluter pick back in the original draft. The seventh pick was Zae Flowers, but now it's Joey Gallo's pick. Yeah, so for me here, it's between two guys. It's a tough call. And I'm going to actually make a similar case against picking this guy that Dave made when he took Jameer Gibbs. I'm between two guys, and I think
00:33:35
Speaker
roster, all else equal. I'm going to take Jackson Smith and Jigba because I think that from a longevity standpoint, he will be an asset a lot longer than this other guy that I was looking at. And look, I mean, we could all be like severely eating crow if this this other guy, which I mean, to me, Dave's going to take him next. So it's divine a chain for sure. Yeah. He keeps up on this ridiculous pace of
00:34:06
Speaker
Uh, you know, it's going to touchdown once every four times he touches the ball or whatever it is. Then, you know, even if he only plays, even if he only like sustains that explosiveness for two or three years, it's going to be an incredible two or three years. But I think I liked what I see from JSN, even as a third option in that offense, the times where he has the opportunity, uh,
00:34:27
Speaker
As the top two option, he looks great. He scored the last two weeks. And I think if his situation was different, he would be putting up some serious numbers right now. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. And Lockett, is he gone after this year? Is it last year? He is. This is the last year? David, no. I think it's the last year of his contract. Who knows if he's gone yet, obviously. I still think he's a productive wide receiver. But even they bring him back.
00:34:56
Speaker
their pecking order may change. But yeah, I mean, you do expect JSN. Obviously, his role has already started to increase. That's only going to continue, especially going to next year. So I mean, I love JSN as well. That's what I like to hear. Yeah. I mean, you know, Schluter, I've been trying to get them. Yeah.
00:35:15
Speaker
not probably going to happen, but that is it. That is so good. I was five and six. If you didn't, if you picked the other HN, I would have gone JSN to Joe. So I like to pick there. Yeah, I just feel like. The longevity is a concern. If I was a team, it's the same situation with the Porta, right? Like if I was in, if I was on a team where I really needed a running back and I was set at wide receiver, then I'd have absolutely no problem going HN there, so.
00:35:45
Speaker
All else equal, I like Jason. And I think he would be a buy at this point in dynasty if you can get an owner who's maybe a little impatient or I mean, I don't know, maybe. Maybe an owner that just likes to trade. He's like the only guy, there's two guys basically that Schluter is not allowing to trade and it's the two rookie wide receivers that he drafted.
00:36:13
Speaker
So I mean, I know that he's the first wide receiver off the board in this draft, which says a lot. But it sounds there like he that's why he was the first in the NFL draft. The seventh pick, though, like that's kind of why it like seems a little bit like a bye to me, because I'm just like, all right, between the four of us, we just we just drafted six other guys before him. So maybe just maybe I'm not saying it's huge litter, but you know, there's somebody out there in your other leagues, dynasty leagues who are
00:36:41
Speaker
maybe maybe to give him up for less than, you know, fair value. Yeah. I mean, I heard people trade away a lot of it for less too. So it's possible. And with Jay Sandley, we mentioned he, he's off the board here at seven. There's four wide receivers in my opinion that are all kind of vying for that top rookie wide receiver. And it's all splitting hairs and it depends on like kind of how you view, what you view is the most valuable trait. Like Jason has not shown it yet.
00:37:11
Speaker
Uh, there certainly been other rookie wide receivers who have looked better so far. Um, and some of them, like their situations have kind of turned like Addison has looked much better, but his situation is rough now. Like you don't know where you can get there. Puka has looked incredible, but situation.
00:37:28
Speaker
like I don't know now like Stafford's already heard he's older and he still has cup there and then even say flowers like it will I'm sure we'll get into these picks and I'll be interested in to see their order but like say flowers the fourth one in my opinion as well vying for the top spot he's titled Amar but he hasn't shown
00:37:44
Speaker
the true alpha get on that team. It gets targets, but they're not the deep targets that you want to see out of your high-end picks. What's the ceiling really there? It's a super safe floor and super safe situation. I think you can put those four in any order. I don't think I'd argue at all. We'll see where they land here. We're going to have to wait because
00:38:05
Speaker
number eight I'm not going right receiver as Joey alluded to I'm going Devon H and at the end during our draft this is where Quinn and Johnson went who is the next player I think we're gonna witness a slide on but Devon and Chan like we talked about it the guy ever like he I think was he averaging over 12 yards per touch on the rushing it's it's absolutely crazy he's game breaker town and he's in the perfect perfect system for him in Miami and
00:38:35
Speaker
his competition right now is Moser who is I think 31, which is crazy in itself that he's as productive as he is right now in that system. But you got to imagine he's going to be leaving soon. They don't trust really anyone else on the ground in Miami right now even
00:38:49
Speaker
with HN on IR, like it hasn't really been, what is it, Salih Ahmed? I don't even remember the guy's name. And then Jeff Wilson hasn't really been getting the touches that we thought he would. So when Devon comes back, I expect him to continue to blow up. And he's, in my opinion, a top 10 easy dynasty running back and has absolute game breaking town. So I think he gets bumped up here in the rookie redo draft.
00:39:16
Speaker
Yeah, I had him high on my list as well. I think for every reason you said Moser is old, you shouldn't be there too much longer and there's no one else. But does the knee injury already give you any concern? Because it's literally his first year. We've seen how many injuries happen at the running back position. He's already out till, I think they said at least week 11. No concern there long term? Myself, no. I mean, he's smaller, which is why I went Gibbs in the first pick for sure.
00:39:45
Speaker
I mean, they're also going to be safe with them. They have the buy to week 10, which is kind of why it got extended to week 11. But again, that's also the risk of running backs. But this isn't like a long-term injury. People get nicked up here and there. I mean, Montgomery's been on and off in Detroit all season long. No one seems to care about that. And so I'm not overly concerned.
00:40:09
Speaker
The fact that he is smaller and could get hurt more, which is the only reason I went good over him. But when you have a talent that electric, I think that kind of overpowers the fear of the health, in my opinion. Yeah, I mean, you're here for a good time, not a long time. Yes.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah, but, uh, moving on to the ninth pick, um, back to ride dogs here. This is where Jordan Addison went during our rookie draft. Yeah. And I'm going to go wide receiver, but, uh, as Dave already kind of touched on, I feel like it's a really hard pick. I had an order, but like Dave said, Pookas now, you know,
00:40:55
Speaker
dealing with Stafford having an injury, who knows what happens there. Jordan Addison probably would have been my pick, but now Kirk's gone, who knows what's going on with the quarterback situation there. So I'm actually going to skip both of them and I'm going to go with Zaflowers. Wow. Yeah, Shooter's going to love that pick.
00:41:16
Speaker
A bit of an up and down year. I don't think he's had any real monster game, but he's pretty much the wide receiver one there. Obviously, Mark Andrews is kind of the wide receiver one there, but he should have a huge role and he's tied to Lamar Jackson. So you have to feel at least comfortable with his future on the Ravens. And like we said, some of the other receivers that you could take here, the future is just a little more up in the air.
00:41:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my argument was just, he looks good. I watch every game pretty intensely. And finally, the Ravens drafted a first round wide receiver that's just getting looks, getting targets, actually catching the ball, like all them joystick. He's moving back and forth. He's actually making people miss. Hollywood didn't do that. Hollywood Brown, he kind of, I don't know, at Baltimore, he kind of caught the ball and dove to the ground. He never really made a guy miss. Zae Flowers is actually exciting to watch.
00:42:12
Speaker
Maybe it's the new offensive coordinator, you know, he's spreading the ball out a little bit more, but my only, my only, you know, they, they spread the ball out a lot. You know, Lamar's throwing it to a lot of people. He's got a lot of mouths to feed. So it's good to watch Zay get, you know, he got three games with double digit targets. That's great. But you know, there's, he's going to have the high games, I think, but, but he's still going to have some low games too. So, but I love the pick, right? Obviously that was again, going to be my pick. That's a frustrating thing about,
00:42:42
Speaker
uh about flowers and i completely agree with everything you said it's like nelson agalor is getting targets and uh you know they they they spread they spread it around quite a bit and not to mention you could always have a game like this past week where gus edwards is you know rushing for three touchdowns or lamar is rushing for touchdowns or you know it's just like a lot of when you look at the box score and and i mean i guess like the fact that
00:43:11
Speaker
Like you said, flowers still has multiple games with double digit targets is a testament to how good he's been, but it would be nice to see. You know, like on these weeks where unlike the 30% of weeks in the season where Rashad Bateman is healthy and out there, he's getting two or three targets and running backs are getting targets. And before you know it, like you look at the box score and it's like 12 guys.
00:43:34
Speaker
I don't like scrolling when I'm looking at the receivers. That's annoying.
Rookie Wide Receivers Evaluation
00:43:38
Speaker
I want like four guys tops. Yeah, he passes the eye test and he's a Boston College guy.
00:43:49
Speaker
Big fan here, Syracuse, Boston College, Ravens. We're doing good on the spot, a lot of fan favorites. But moving on to the 10th pick, it's going to Schluter, but back in our draft, this is where Will Levis actually went, who at the time seemed like a higher pick, but I don't know. Still to be determined there, but a little bit more optimism, but we'll see if he goes this high again. I feel like he might not, but Schluter, take it over.
00:44:16
Speaker
As much as I'd love to take a third Cupid, just to have him on my bench. I'm going to go Dalton Kincaid. And that's looking for the future, like we said before, tight end premium. Had a great week. You can't argue anything you did this last week. So future's bright. He's got the gunslinger, Josh Allen. So I'm all for it. Put him in my lineup, forget it.
00:44:45
Speaker
Yeah, I like that pick obviously with Knox out he thrived and you know having Josh Allen's tight end for the foreseeable future is definitely not a bad thing. So only concern there is Knox comes back. But you know, it should definitely be Kincaid's job to lose. So I like to pick. Yeah, I wonder, do you guys know Dawson Knox's contract situation?
00:45:10
Speaker
Just quickly check it out. I mean I I like to pick two he was
00:45:17
Speaker
I wouldn't have gone in this spot with him, but he was going to be in the next probably four to five picks for me. But again, tight end premium. He's looking, he's getting the targets now. He's looking like there, he's becoming more of a focal point, which was something Joey has been clamoring for literally all season until finally the past two weeks. So it has been nice to see them make that offensive philosophy change.
00:45:41
Speaker
I think he's totally deserving of it. This pick he keeps up, especially in this format. But John, if you were able to get that contract information. Yeah, so they have a potential out after next year, so he's definitely going to be there in 24. They have a potential out, but he actually his contract actually goes through 2026 before he's three agents again, which I feel like is a challenge because not like honestly, Dawson Knox is like the the the only difference between Sam Laporta and Dalton Kincaid is.
00:46:11
Speaker
Dawson Knox. And hopefully, I mean, look, like last week he did a, even after Knox went out two weeks ago, like the past week and a half, he's been, you know, he's really done a, an impressive job at demonstrating that he should be the number one. And yeah, hopefully it's not going to be a situation where in four weeks we've got another, you've got a Dawson Knox reemergence because
00:46:39
Speaker
Yeah, I'll probably just snipe all the touchdowns, but I think Kincaid is going to be a focal point. I don't think he's going to see a diminished target share as much as he may just see the value of those targets slightly go away if he doesn't get all the red zone most because that's where Knox thrives. He's not really middle of the field.
00:46:56
Speaker
He's already better than Pitts eight weeks in. That's all. That is most tight ends, about six games per career, at least from a touchdown perspective. Name a tight end and they're better than Pitts. Brutal. Pitts are just so talented. Just go with some trade picks, please. But moving on to the 11th pick. This is actually where Dalton Kincaid won in the actual rookie draft, but now we're passing the torch to Joey. Who are you going to take at 11?
00:47:26
Speaker
This is an extremely tough pick for me between two guys. I really, truly, I would be intensely lamenting over this one. It's going to make my decision easy, so. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of grasping at straws. I think I would go puka-nakua for a couple of reasons.
00:47:55
Speaker
Mostly just because you don't. There's a little bit less certainty with his situation, but at the same time Cooper Cup isn't exactly young and he's tied to a good head coach in John McVay. We'll see what the quarterback situation is like with the Rams beyond this year and we'll see if McVay's even like how much longer John McVay's head coach of the Rams beyond this year, but.
00:48:22
Speaker
I, you know, Jordan Addison is still the one B in that offense. He'll continue to be the one B for however long. And you could probably say the same about Puca, but for the full body of this work this season, um, I think I would lean that way. 51 49 over Addison, who was a little more of a flesh in the pan the last,
00:48:49
Speaker
two or three weeks. But honestly, I love Addison too. He looks incredible. I'd be happy with either of them. And this is just an absolutely brutal decision to have to make. I'm sorry we did this to you. I think it's actually the right pick for all the reasons you said. Cup's a little older. Stafford is still there, even though he might be injured. Addison's, Jefferson's the guy there and is going to be for the foreseeable future. Addison will always be number two. And their quarterback situation is way more up in the air right now.
00:49:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That's who I would have taken. I actually had him at number seven on my board. So I actually think that's great value for you, Joe, at 11.
00:49:30
Speaker
from our rookie draft, just because this number popped and you don't see this on it. He shot up 31 picks from where he was actually drafted in our rookie. He was at the 406 pick, 42. I believe that that was one pick before me and it stings because it was, again, Kanellis, who snipes. In the start of draft for rookie draft, every young wide receiver right before me.
00:49:54
Speaker
So that was a great, great value. Um, kind of going down to the pick that was actually looking back in that draft and pick 42 43 and 44 was Pukanukua, Michael Wilson and tanked out. Um, a three, some that you don't typically see too many hits that late in the draft. Some
00:50:11
Speaker
leagues don't even do four and five rounds in the rookie draft. So they would have been like free agents after the rookie draft. And that was a three pack of guys who are all useful and a couple of that looked like they might be potentially higher end options. So always value there. Even if you're getting training for those seemingly invaluable fourth round picks, you cannot maybe hit a dark throw there. I'll trade you some fourth round picks. Yeah.
00:50:41
Speaker
But moving to the 12th pick, this is where Zach Charbonnet went, and I'm now on the board. And Joey made the pick easy for me. My ninth overall rookie on my board is Jordan Addison. The guy has looked great this year, showing that, obviously, situation stinks right now. The risk of not having cousins was already kind of baked in, I think, initially when you're drafting them now. It's just earlier, and things are a little bit in flux.
00:51:10
Speaker
Long-term, I don't think his long-term outlook has changed. I think it's just the next nine or so games outlook has changed for him. But you have the confidence now that you've seen it that if he has a competent quarterback, he can show up. And whether he has JJ there or not, because now he's the number one. So you think he's getting more defensive coverage or like a higher, a tougher matchup there. So even though it does look like there's no competition, he should get all the targets.
00:51:38
Speaker
He has a tougher defensive matchup, and he's still showing out there. So I think he's got a lot of talent. He's beating these guys. And some of the plays he's made, those are growing man plays, like Kirk Cousins threw an absolute interception, and Asin just ripped it out and ran for a touchdown, which is a crazy play. So I think the guy is a bonafide talent there, and I'd be very happy to be able to grab him with the 12th overall pick in my rookie draft. Yeah.
00:52:04
Speaker
Yeah, we talked about those definitely be in the next two picks, which makes this pick really tough. 201, we are now officially in the second round of the rookie redrew, redraft, excuse me, redo redraft. And it's a hard thing to say, I don't know if you guys tried it. And this is where Kendra Miller went back in July, I believe is when we did our draft.
00:52:28
Speaker
Yeah, I will not be going with him. I think I'm going to keep it going with wide receiver here, and I'm actually going to go with Rice, I think. I'm going to go with Rishi Rice. I just feel like that wide receiver core is wide open there.
00:52:48
Speaker
You know, it's like Sky Moore, Tony stinks. Someone has to be Patrick Mahomes' top guy. Once Kelsey goes, I think Rice has a good chance to be that guy. He's starting to pick it up a little bit. Hasn't had any huge games, but he's averaging like nine fantasy points a game. Looks like he's averaging like five or six targets a game from Patrick Mahomes. So I'll take that at a pick 13.
00:53:16
Speaker
I mean, I love it. Uh, that's exactly who I had on my board next as well. So, uh, everything you said, he's, he, he's looks explosive. He's getting the targets in that offense. Uh, not really, there's not a lot of, uh, not a much in the equation that you need to really figure out there, just like an explosive fast out and getting targets from my homes. First pick of the second round. I think that's what you want. Yeah. Yeah. It's a win-win. Win-win. Yeah. That's what I would have done with there as well.
00:53:46
Speaker
So moving down to the 202, pick number 14. This is where Marvin Mins Jr. went, which I actually thought was a pretty good pick back then. I think I remember giving props for it. But the clock is now on Schluter to see where he goes. And there's still a good amount of decent options. We're getting a little deeper here, but still a lot of good talent on the board. Yeah, of course I liked race. But I'm going to stick with the wide receiver.
00:54:10
Speaker
I got the two QBs, I got the tight end. So there's not too many of the higher upside wide receivers, you could say. So I'm going Quentin Johnson. I know we started slow, real slow. But he stepped it up last game. When I was watching the game, Herbert didn't even look at him, probably the first quarter. You watch your wide receiver, and you're like, oh, he's on the top. And then they'd look left. And you're like, you're not even looking at him.
00:54:37
Speaker
And then he started doing some crossing routes and getting involved and he caught some going across. And then he actually got tossed to the corner of the end zone, you know, so they're looking at him. They're trying to feed him. He threw it a little low, threw a little higher. You know, he's a big guy, probably could have, probably could have got it. So he's getting more involved. So he's looking promising and he's got what, the next four or five years with Herbert. So it can't, it can't be too bad. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. And Keenan Allen is old. I think he's also 31. So.
00:55:04
Speaker
who knows what happens with him. And Mike Williams is obviously always injured and out for the year. So yeah, I think he's probably tied to Herbert for the foreseeable future and might eventually move into a higher slot on the wide receiver list. So not a bad pick.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, he's got the draft capital too. So, you know, that, uh, they're going to try to, even if he doesn't have the biggest rookie year, they're going to try to make that thing happen. So that's the positive. When you see you, you like the safety net, I guess you get when you draft rookies with high draft capital, they get more chances than guys that don't have that capital. And when you're in the second round to get a first round drafted wide receiver, that's really good value. I mean, that's kind of, I think last year where Johan Dotson was landing a lot and.
00:55:50
Speaker
prove to be a decent value, obviously slow this year, but he's getting the opportunity. So I don't hate that pick at all. Now moving to the third pick in the second round, this is where Devon H and actually went. Um, but now he's no longer on the board and it's Joey's pick. So we'll see who he goes with. Yeah. So with the two Oh three in this position, I think this would be the time to take Zach Charbonnet.
00:56:20
Speaker
I mean look right He has been getting an increasing like a growing snap percentage basically throughout the season last game He played almost 60% of snaps. He's had weeks of You know on his on his you know, paltry amount of carries that he gets he looks great. I mean
00:56:44
Speaker
Week two, four carries, four yards per carry. Week three, nine carries, five plus yards per carry. Week four, five carries, six yards per carry. Last week, five carries, 10 yards per carry. He looks great. And the only thing that kind of stands in his way is that Ken Walker also looks great. But everything that we kind of thought Zach Jarbonet was going to be in the preseason and that whole kind of pre-draft process, you know, bruising, quick, a lot of explosiveness. He's looked exactly like that.
00:57:14
Speaker
And he's not as involved in the passing game as he could be or as you would like, just because he's not involved in the entire game plan as much as you would like. But it's hard to really pass up on that much talent at the running back position, super late in the middle of the second round. And running backs get hurt quite often. So who knows? Kenneth Walker looks great.
00:57:44
Speaker
But I think as time goes on, that will become, especially into next year, a lot more of a true duo than just, you know, 80-20 Walker. If Walker wasn't there, would you take Gibbs or Charbonnet? Oh, Gibbs, yeah. It's really close. Yeah, that's what I mean. You're one injury away from a top five guy. So that's huge upside down.
00:58:13
Speaker
Like you could make a strong argument that if Charbonnet was by himself, like Ken Walker, a lot of the reason why Kenneth Walker is great is because he gets absolutely fed inside the 10 yard line. It's like the most inside the 10 carries in the whole week. So if you just project those carries onto Charbonnet, I mean, yeah, it's, he would be probably in the top five. So yeah, I mean, like you said, like, you know, just because he's got a talented guy in front of him,
00:58:43
Speaker
You know, there's only so far that you can let somebody who looks that good slide. Yep. And I will say, I think this past week, granted, I think Walker was dealing with an injury. Pretty sure Charbonnet out snapped Walker this past week. So you've actually been seeing Charbonnet getting more and more involved in the office. I know that was part of what you were talking about, Joe. But I think it was surprising to see just how involved he was this past week. Again, I think part of that had to do with the Walker injury.
00:59:13
Speaker
Even without a walker injury, I would expect to see this at least turn into a 60-40 split, which even if he's getting that type of workload, I think he'll still be in potential RP2, which is a solid pick here. Moving on to the 204. This is where Rashid Rice actually went last time in a real rookie draft, but it's on me now.
00:59:38
Speaker
And honestly, there's a couple wide receivers I'm still looking at. And I think I'm going to go with one that, honestly, I wasn't that excited about backing the rookie draft. But at this point, he just seeming like a very solid receiver, which at this point in the draft, gets you for the upside. But this guy seems like he could have a decent game, but he's got a good floor. And that's Josh Downs.
01:00:03
Speaker
I wasn't high on him for a couple of reasons. One is the fact that he's small. I just don't like my wide receivers that tiny. But I think he was coming from UNC. He just gets open, and he's got great hands. I think coming out of college, he's actually one of the better contested catch wide receivers in the draft, which is crazy for someone of his size. But the other issue that was always being placed in still
01:00:26
Speaker
potentially there is that Anthony Richardson's accuracy wasn't the best. But what I did see before Anthony Richardson got hurt, he would still have a couple of bad passes, but his passing did look good and look like it was improving. So I do think going into next season and beyond, I think he'll continue to improve. And that's only going to be a positive for Josh Downs. But Josh Downs gets open. He also can run some shorter underneath routes, which are higher percentage passes that I could see Anthony Richardson
01:00:56
Speaker
uh, targeting, uh, when he needs to. So I do think Josh Downs will grow with Richardson. I think Pittman will still be there. I don't think they're going to let him walk after his contracts up this year, but I'm very confident down there, which I did not expect, uh, going into the season. So that's the pick for me here.
01:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, I actually did have him next on my list, but I was concerned with Richardson, because that's the thing. I looked at the games and he didn't do well in the games that Richardson played, and a lot of his production has been with Minshu, so it'll be interesting to see what happens next year, but definitely one of the guys that I think makes sense taken around here. Yeah, surprised myself there,
Second Round Picks Strategy
01:01:39
Speaker
man. Anybody, guys, but moving forward,
01:01:41
Speaker
with the 17th overall pick, the fifth pick of the second round. This is where Izzy Anaconda, or whatever you say this guy is running back for the Jets, was drafted. Probably not going to go here, but we'll see what Ryan does with this pick. Yeah, definitely not. I just got to go with this guy. I'm pumped for him, four touchdowns last game. I'm taking a little less. All right.
01:02:08
Speaker
Shruder talked about it before, you know, super flex league quarterbacks are pretty valuable. Tannehill doesn't seem like the answer there. He's also older. So I'm not too worried about what happens with him. And if Will Lavis keeps playing like he played last week, he could be the long-term answer there. And getting that in the second round is huge value. I don't disagree. I mean,
01:02:34
Speaker
Getting a starting quarterback in SuperFlex in the middle of the second round is incredible value. Obviously, questions if he is still going to be the long-term option, but that's the only reason he's fallen back here and why you're potentially getting a value on him. He has all the physical and arm talent in the world as well. He just is a weirdo, which I just
01:02:59
Speaker
personally cannot get on my team. I think that's it, my issue there, but like, that's just, that's silly bias and maybe that's stopping me from winning. So we'll say, um, but yeah, I don't know what everyone else has thought and will let us after his outburst this past week. Yeah. I don't know how you can, how we passed on a rookie QB that toss four touchdowns this long, but you know, it's, it's a good pick. I mean, like, like I said before, I love stashing QBs, so why not?
01:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, if you're making it, you got to figure, right? Like, if we're assuming we're drafting right now, and all we have is one data point on Will Leves, and it's that he went out there and threw four touchdowns last week, it makes sense. And to Schluer's point, right, like, in real life, you know, if there's a QB needy team, like, I don't know, Harrison, trying to make up for Bryce Cumblander.
01:03:52
Speaker
He might actually take the shot. He will draft at the quarterback with a third overall pick. What do you mean, Eddie? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think I was arguing with the value there. Moving forward at the sixth pick of the second round, this is where Jaden Reed, Green Bay Packers rookie wide receiver was taken. But now Schluter's got the pick, so we'll see what he does with it.
01:04:19
Speaker
Well, just for fun. So I had CJ Stroud out there as my QB first. So for fun, I'm going to throw tanked down on there, you know, get that combination and see how they grow together and, you know, get that little double whammy touchdown. Really punish my opponent that week and all of it, you know. Yeah, I like it. That was actually who I was between. I think he's a solid wide receiver too with Nico Collins there and Stroud has been looking better.
01:04:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. I think as I was kind of thinking about my upcoming pick, like looking at wide receiver and it's like, you know, do I look at men's men's is probably sliding a little bit. And then, you know, I was kind of, for me, if I was going wide receiver there, it would have been between names and Dell. And honestly, Dell, again, we talked about undersized wide receivers, but he's looked good. He's real fast. And like I said, he's tied to a good young quarterback. So.
01:05:17
Speaker
Yeah, he's already had a blow game as well. Obviously he had a concussion, but he'll, he's going to be back and yeah, he's just, he gets open. What is with these times? NFL's changing guys. Um, but yeah, I mean, go into it, Joe, as you mentioned, um, this isn't your pick. So this would be the seventh now pick in the second round. This is where Roshan Johnson actually went, um, back in July. So what are you going to do with it?
01:05:46
Speaker
Yeah, ironically, I'm actually going to take Roshan Johnson here. I think that there's enough uncertainty with the Chicago backfield going forward in the future. Khalil Herbert looks certainly good, but is he the type of guy that's going to keep a stranglehold on that backfield? I don't think so.
01:06:12
Speaker
Roshan has looked good in the passing game. He's looked good and limited opportunities when he's gotten the ball, when he's gotten carries. And I think that there's a lot of potential upside there for the future tied to, you know, hopefully a quarterback for the future with Justin Fields. And I think that
01:06:36
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you know, basically I make this pick here because if I'm kind of like going through my process of who I'm looking at at running back, it's kind of like between Roshan, Taiji Spears. And yeah, those are really the guys that I'd be looking at. And then for at wide receiver, we talk about Mims and you know, maybe Jayden Reed, who's looked pretty good for Green Bay to this point.
01:07:06
Speaker
Um, of all those guys, I think I'm probably, I'm probably the most excited to, to draft Roshan here. Interesting. Cause obviously like I, I personally like Taj more, but obviously Taj probably doesn't have potentially as long of a lifespan as Roshan has. Um, but it's, it's hard to argue with either one. Like you expect Henry to potentially be gone. Um, but also that's not going to be my pick here. Um,
01:07:33
Speaker
But I do, I do like, you know, everything you said about Roshan and it is, it's nice to see someone picked in their exact spot. They're just pleasing on the chart there. But for me, it's now the eighth pick in the second round. This is where Michael Mayer went, which I think actually could be a sell pick still, but it's not where I'm going to go. I think I'm going to end the slide here, take Marvin Mims. He's just an electric talent and situation just kind of stinks right now.
01:07:57
Speaker
Um, but I don't think Juju is going to be here next year. Uh, sudden might not be here next year. And I think eventually, like once you, once you start getting the playing time and the targets to mimmed, I think you're going to see a lot of good things. I don't have the stat out right now, but I'm sure like the, uh, targets per routes run for mimmed is crazy high. Um, whenever he's on the field is he's usually out there for a reason and that's the break the game open. Um, and he's done that a pretty high clip. So to get another, I'll
01:08:27
Speaker
There's a theme here with all my picks. They're all game-breaking talents. I'm trying to win a championship here. I'm with the guys at the high upside. And I think Mims does that. So he's the pick here. Yeah. And I'll just go right into mine because I was hoping that Spears would fall to me. So that's who I'm going to take here. Henry was almost out the door already. He seems like he's staying put, but probably doesn't have too much long
01:08:53
Speaker
Left and Spears looks like he'll be the guy that'll take it over So I think that's pretty good value this late at the ground at the 209 not as good as values to pick that it was back in the rookie draft of Sam LaPorta as we've already seen but I still think that's a solid pick Moving on to Schluter at the 10th pick in the second round. We got Jonathan Mingo That was the pick back in July, but we'll see what Schluter if he agrees with that or goes a different direction. I
01:09:20
Speaker
You know what? I'm sticking with the double whammy theme of Mingo because I got Bryce Young earlier. So I'm just going to double it up again, you know? Nice. And I'm going to stick with that and hope they get that combination, start clicking, and win me a championship.
01:09:39
Speaker
You actually did see Mingo starting to get a bit more involved coming out of the buy, too. So keep an eye on him. Even in redress, he actually might be getting a lot more involved in the offense. And you do see a lot of times these rookie wide receivers step up second half of the year. We've been a little spoiled, again, with the early production. But typically, it's the second half of the year they start getting integrated. And it seems like that's starting to happen with Mingo. And as you said, tied to a rookie quarterback, not a bad thing to have.
01:10:08
Speaker
And moving to the second to last pick in the second round, this was where Jalen Hyatt actually went. That was yours truly, but the pick is now Joey Gallows. Yeah, so three guys I'd be looking at here, depending on need, a running back, a wide receiver, a tight end, a running back, I'd be looking at Tank Bigsby, just because obviously you can see what the running back in that
01:10:38
Speaker
Jacksonville offense can do and it's not like Travis ETN is a big and brooding and you know, none injury risk type profile guy so and and then two Packers Jaden Reed and Luke Musgrave, I think That's probably the direction I would lean between it would be between Musgrave and Reed. They both looked good
01:11:03
Speaker
I picked a lot of wide receivers. I think I'll take Musgrave. It's a tight end premium league. I liked what I've seen from the both of them. I would put them in a similar tier and I'll give Musgrave the edge because, you know, tight end premium and I've picked a lot of wide receivers. A great pick. I love the pick too. I think he showed a lot. The rookie tight ends this year actually have been really strong overall.
01:11:33
Speaker
And yeah, Musgraves has been key. Obviously, he has a little injury right now, but it's nothing serious, and he's looked great. And for me to close out, Musgraves was actually the last pick in the second round during our real rookie draft. A few guys I'm looking here at is another tight end, Michael Mayer. But that situation in Las Vegas is kind of a mess. Not sure if you want to be a part of it. Jayden Reed, as mentioned, is someone
01:12:00
Speaker
And I'm pretty impressed with DeMaro Douglas is someone I'm rising on. I'm not sure if I'd take him here, but someone just to keep an eye on. Michael Wilson obviously has risen up as well, but the guy I'm going to go with was the guy I went with in the real draft, the pick before, and that's Jalen Hyatt. He's seemingly getting a bit more involved. He again is game breaker talent theme for me. I'm always shooting for upside, but his knock coming in the drop was he wasn't a good route runner.
01:12:26
Speaker
But he seems like he's improving there, and he's beating DBs in the NFL. He was crushing them in college, and that trade has carried over. Obviously, he hasn't had too much production this past week or so. It was a disaster in the passing game. Hopefully, with Daniel Jones coming back in the offensive line and Andrew Thomas coming back, there's a little bit more time to throw in those passes, and we can see more. But he's beginning to flash a bit, and I'd be getting excited. And at this point, in the rookie drafts is where I really do shoot for those upsides.
01:12:56
Speaker
and hopefully get those guys who can really rise up and become a key fixture in your lineup. So I'd be going to hide here, but I guess who are a couple of undrafted guys that you'd like to call out before we close this out and move to the next segment? Yeah, I'll throw out Aiden O'Connell, only because I think that if we were doing this again right now, just in kind of like factor in real life circumstances here,
01:13:25
Speaker
Looking at the way that the actual draft went, Hendon Hooker went early in the third round, a couple other quarterbacks, Clayton Toon went in the fourth round, Stetson Bennett went in the fourth round. Ian O'Connell's going to go to the middle of the fifth, I think. In reality, he would go a bit higher, given that he's already kind of made his way into a starting quarterback position, at least temporarily.
01:13:51
Speaker
As far as other undrafted guys, yeah. Not a ton of others, can they? I don't think there are too many left, yeah. I think Zach Evans is on there. He's had a little bit of relevance, but there's not much left. Justin Joey's drafting is lying up, not really on the field. Zach Evans is fucking dead to me. Sorry, I'm assuming he's not in this time around.
01:14:20
Speaker
Between my Draft Kings lineup, 20 actual dollars and about 175 fab dollars, this fucking guy has basically bankrupted me this season. Officially all out on Zach Evans. Oh, man. Well.
01:14:36
Speaker
That was definitely fun for me to go. I hope all the listeners enjoy that. It's interesting to see how values have changed since the offseason. Part of the fun of the rookie draft is that you kind of are taking a shot. You're going to miss them. You're going to hit some. Obviously, that's where you can see the value in your overall team go is if you hit on these picks or if you miss on them.
01:15:00
Speaker
Definitely fun to go. I hope you guys enjoyed it. But we're going to move on to quickly a league update before getting to the Draft King lineup challenge. We had a couple trades that we just want to hit on with some quicks in our league. So one of the first trades we had is, actually both trades involved a podcast that we had. The Wilkinson Bros acquired Derek Henry in a 2026 second round pick. And they gave up a 2025 first round pick. So Ryan, why don't you speak to that a little bit.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, you love it when something works right away. So we actually won last week solely because of this trade. If we had started anyone on our bench over Derek Henry, we would have lost a crop. So right off the bat helped us get a win in week eight.
01:15:44
Speaker
Um, it wasn't a huge move, but we just felt like it gave us a little bit more depth than that ability to win a couple more weeks. And I know we didn't really feel like we gave up
Trade Discussions and Impact
01:15:55
Speaker
too, too much. I know they're, they're different years, but we moved back from the first to a second basically to get him. And it's not like he's done after this year, although he's older, he's still going to have some value next year, maybe even a year or two after that. So we thought it was a good trade.
01:16:12
Speaker
Yeah, probably would have been nice to see him get traded, right? I mean traded in real life, right when you make that deal. Yeah, we were hoping he might have went somewhere better, but I don't actually think it's the worst thing that he stays there either. Obviously, we just talked a little bit about spears potentially taking over, but hasn't happened too much so far. And real Levis is opening up that offense. Yeah, I mean, this could be a fire offense now. So got high scoring.
01:16:40
Speaker
All he has to do is be functional enough to lead them into some game scripts where they're not behind, and he'll get 15, 20 carries. I agree, though. I don't think you gave up a lot for Henry. I generally would have expected to see probably a little bit more, because, again, you only move back around in a separate year. So that's still decent ammo for future trades, too, to have that extra second round pick. Yeah. I mean, I'd get exactly why.
01:17:10
Speaker
Rizinski's did it because you look at the running backs they have. They had too many running backs. You can't start them all, yeah. They got tailored, Pollard, Boeser, Eckler, and Gibbs. And they just gave away an older running back for a first round. So they won, Ryan won. Oh, yeah. That's all for the league. I think it's a good trade.
01:17:30
Speaker
but it wasn't the only trade. Another member, our special weekly member right now in our pod was involved in another trade, our own Schluter right here, acquired Stefan Diggs, Damien Pierce, and Rishi Rice, and he gave up Chris Olave in Scott's 2024 first round picks, and on his own, another league member's 2024 first round pick. So Schluter, why don't you speak to it? Well, first off, any time you make a trade,
01:17:59
Speaker
in this league, I'm sure it's like others, it's exhausting. A lot of back and forth. Some others more than the others. Yeah, you talk for days, you think you're there and then all of a sudden you send a trade, you read it and you're like, what did they just send me? That's not what you know. So, I was back and forth with the Clark family for about three days and I really wanted digs, that was the bottom line. I wanted
01:18:24
Speaker
I wanted something right now. I looked at my team and I said, I'm young, you know, I don't really need, my whole team is rookies. Like that redraft we just did, I had five people on that top 24 list, you know? So I'm like, I don't, I don't need my pick. So I was okay giving away Scott's first round pick, especially cause I just traded him Kirk cousins. So to me, his value is that pick was only going to lose value, you know, if Kirk cousins was still.
01:18:50
Speaker
With us. With us. I was okay with that, and then Olaves just wasn't producing. So, we talked about how good he was going to be. Oh, he's got car now. He's going to be so much better. No, he's not. And then what happens, we stuck it away for another QB to come in, for him to be even better. So, when is Olave going to produce for me? So, I wanted digs bad, and my RBs needed help. So, I got Pierce, who's not much help, but a lot of hope, you can say.
01:19:18
Speaker
But the big seller was rice. I'm big on rice, you know, so to me I got AJ Brown now So I got a number one QB's why just everyone I got digs another Another one and then rice could be my home's number one, you know, so I'm pretty good there We talked about Z flowers. I got him. I got JSN. So I'm good I'm happy with what I gave up and what I got and
01:19:41
Speaker
I think I'm ready to take all you guys down. So basically, you have the top two best quarterbacks, number one receivers, and Alan, it hurts, just saying. Yeah, when I play you, it's just negating that. Yeah, it'll be back and forth. But no, we talked a little bit about it. I liked the trade for your side. I could see both sides, but I like Rice as well. I just took him in the rookie redraft that we did. I think he's a huge,
01:20:12
Speaker
uh, potential opportunity there. And Diggs is obviously a stud right now. And, you know, first round pick could be valuable. Could not see if you hit head on it next year, but, uh, I liked the trade. Yeah. I mean, I looked at my, I have 18 people that are sophomores or younger, you know, so I don't, I looked at my rookie picks and I'm like, I don't really need them. And I still have two 20, 25 first rounders sitting there. So my 2024, it just didn't look as valuable to me. It seemed, it seemed like an easy trade to me.
01:20:42
Speaker
And not to mention right like it's not like Stefan Diggs is Old and busted. He still has quite a bit of you would think left in the tank. He's in a great offense and You know if you get even if you only get two more years of this version of Stefan Diggs You know, I think that's that's an easy trade to make right in exchange for a first-round pick Which we which we know from what the exercise we just did could easily be a Bryce young miss, you know
01:21:12
Speaker
I mean, I think the addition of Rashid Rice, for me, tilts it towards your scales. I think that extra sweetener is big, because that could be what the first round pick was. So then it's a latte for Diggs and Pierce.
01:21:33
Speaker
I don't think there was an actual loser in that trade, which is great to see. Um, but I think for you, like you're set up to definitely be very strong this year. I think you've had a tough, tougher schedule than most, uh, in the league, but you're still competing for a playoff spot and you're set up for the future, which I'm more obvious because I don't have as many young wide receivers on my team. So that, uh, it's pretty, pretty good spot to be in for you. Yeah. I'm real wide receiver strong. I love it.
Weekly Scores and Standings
01:21:58
Speaker
Why?
01:21:59
Speaker
You didn't score the most this past week. Someone with their old and busted wide receivers did. And that's your boy right here, Dave Reed, had 183.4 points for the high score this week. And I had Howell on my bench. And if I didn't, I would have had a high score of the entire year, over 200 points. It's disappointing. But it was a good showing.
01:22:21
Speaker
So I felt good about that to finally get up in the high side after having the second lowest score of the year. Still not the lowest. That's still held. And still after this week by the Wilkinson brothers. Because the lowest score this week, which is pretty crazy, was 115.96 by Clark Shaw's. We're getting to a point, we're in the middle of the season. Brian, I think there's only six weeks for you to lose that record. And the lowest scores are increasing.
01:22:49
Speaker
Okay, there were there were no bias the last week we talked about that so It's an outlier week. Hopefully, but yeah, not gonna lie. We're getting a little worried over here someone someone come on down. Oh Man insane, but yeah, it's dead It'll be a fun
01:23:08
Speaker
It'll week 14 is be very fun to see if anyone just straight up like shits the bed and like But with that we're gonna finally get to the main event the DK lineup showdown here So again, we each pick a lineup.
DraftKings Lineup Showdown
01:23:25
Speaker
We're playing against each other winner takes all Shoulders gonna try his best to knock out as many of the podcast hosts as possible Harrison when he was on
01:23:34
Speaker
Two weeks ago, took out two of the hosts, but didn't do the clean sweep that I know Schluter is aiming to get here. But we're going to go around and list out who our lineups are. So Schluter, man of the hour, why don't you start us off with who your quarterback is? All right, let me pull it right up here. So you know, I love these. You go back and forth 15 times, and then you change it, and then you go back again.
01:24:01
Speaker
I always have the strategy of a low QB. I don't know why I just always do it. So I went Minshu, you know, he's, he's in there. He's Carolina. I don't know what's going to happen, but you might have that magic and throw some, throw some bombs, get that four touchdown game, or it could be a dud, but for 52. Yeah. So he costs a 5,200. So I'm okay with that with the potential of him just going off.
01:24:24
Speaker
Yeah, I'll jump in because I had the exact same thought and also went with Minshu. I wanted to save a little money on quarterback as well and he seemed like a pretty good value, could have a big game.
01:24:35
Speaker
And I'll jump into because I as well, so there we're all the goodies of have been shared with Minches. I love him. He's on my team as well. And the the second offense is doesn't really matter. Apparently who's quarterback. You're going to get fantasy points and Carolina's D, which has not been good, should give up some. So I think there's good value there. Obviously they they may dominate in the rungown game with Jonathan Taylor, hoping that's not the case. And I mentioned Rex at some points, but jokes. Did you break the tie here? Did you go Mitchell as well?
01:25:05
Speaker
No, I didn't go mention, but I do love the pick. We're being totally honest. He rushed for a touchdown two weeks ago. Had a down week last week. You got to think he'll bounce back. I originally was looking at Josh Downs potentially in one of my versions iterations of this lineup at wide receiver. So I like the pick, but I actually went with Dak Prescott. I think that I wanted a little bit more of a high powered offense and big game against Philadelphia.
01:25:33
Speaker
I think they're going to need him in this type of game where, you know, Philadelphia, they tend to be stronger against the run and against the pass. They've had injuries in their secondary early on in the season. You know, CD-Lam probably gets various lay treatments, but I still, I like the, I like the upside with Dak here. He's been, he's been looking good the last couple of weeks. David, we need someone to break in here.
01:26:01
Speaker
We're all negating each other except for Joe at quarterback, but sort of watch you jump in and tell us your running backs. So I got a high-priced one. I watched this guy just put up points on me endlessly last week. Camara. I went with Camara. I think he's going to crush Chicago. They're going to jump out. They're going to get a lead and just feed them, especially with last week's performance. So I did Camara. He was expensive, $8,100.
01:26:24
Speaker
And what about running back two? Oh, running back two. I saw a little thing about Pierce being injured, so I put in Singletary. Oh, interesting. What's his price? $4,300.
01:26:35
Speaker
All right. Saving some value there. I'll jump in because I also have Camaro. So we are not deviating too much yet. I'll jump in because I also have Camaro. I mean, Camaro, he's going to feast. I don't think like the Chicago defense is not good. Camaro can cover up, but Camaro is also the number one wide receiver. Uh, like I think in the league from targets, like, and this is a full point PPR. So I Camaro was one of those players and I think it's going to cross sport here. Like.
01:27:02
Speaker
You wanted to try and get in your lineup if you could because it seems like a safe floor. It has a potential blow up game.
01:27:09
Speaker
But I also, at RB2, had Bajan Robinson at 6,100. Going up against Minnesota, defense also, not very strong. Heineken is in, so they could be slinging a little bit more. But I also think if Drake London's not in there, they'd probably lean Bajan a bit more. And he did score his first Russian touchdown, I believe, last week. So I think he's starting to build up. And I think they're going to beat down a Minnesota who's going to be playing against a rookie quarterback. And they'll probably want to ice the game early.
01:27:39
Speaker
Going with Bijan there. But Ryan, why don't you finish up on who your RB2 is? Yeah, so I went with Camara as well. And then I had the same type of strategy as Schluter. I basically wanted to save as much money as I possibly could with my second running back and spend it elsewhere. So I went actually with Rush on Johnson. Interesting. I feel like it's kind of up in the air on what could happen there.
01:28:02
Speaker
Um, you know, Foreman was pretty terrible last week. So who knows? Maybe Johnson gets some more touches this week. That's who I went with. I don't hate it. Nick, a little Herbert still out. Um, I don't hate it either. How much is, how much does he run? He was 4,500. It's good value. All right. So this is looking like a, a pretty well planned out selection for me. Um, it's either going to go great.
01:28:31
Speaker
or it's going to go terribly poorly, but my RV one is Jonathan Taylor, $6,400. Okay. It seems as if, uh, if Taylor runs for two or three touchdowns, then I might have this one in the bag. But I, I honestly Carolina, same logic as taking Minshew Carolina's defense thinks they're rushed, they're rushed defense, especially stinks. And two weeks ago, he was kind of showing.
01:28:57
Speaker
I mean, look, Zach Moss is still there. He's still getting carries. But I think at this point, it's safe to say that Taylor has presumed his role as at least the leader in the backfield there. So he'll have to fight with Moss for some carries, and maybe especially in a game like this, where I expect him to be leading. But I thought it was pretty good value for Taylor there, getting him at a good price when maybe that market hasn't actually fully caught up to him being fully back.
01:29:26
Speaker
And then my RB2, drum roll please, there's going to be a lot of suspense for this one. I went with Alvin Kamara. Yeah, you had to have him. I think in cross sport, you couldn't have missed having him and he's going to blow up, potentially RB1. Yeah, my only concern with selecting Kamara, and I mean now, looking back in retrospect, I kind of wish I had tagged, because opportunities to feed the contestants are always great.
01:29:54
Speaker
You know, like, if they're up by a ton and the game script isn't conducive to him catching a lot of passes, and, you know, maybe he doesn't rush for touchdown, maybe, you know, Chris Olave actually catches a touchdown pass for once in his life. Yeah. But, yeah, I know. I mean, it's a great spot at home, Smash play, and he's honestly looked great, so. Yeah, love it. Moving on to wide receivers. Schluer, I'll let you take it away once again.
01:30:23
Speaker
Yeah, so I did the double up, so I got downs for 5,200 from Minshu. So hopefully that combination goes and stacks me some points. And then I laughed this next pick for 6,300. I did a Lave. There you go. Of course, I just traded them away. So I'm either going to be happy or sad. Now I'm happy either way. It's a hedge. It's a hedge.
01:30:46
Speaker
So I got a Lavi on there for 63 and then I went real cheap with Jaden Reed for 3600 last week. I also keep following you had downs for my stack, but I mentioned it. I took them in the rookie redo draft.
01:31:07
Speaker
I love Downs, again, 5200. Hymn and Pitman have been getting pretty high targets. I was going back and forth between who to put in the lineup. But honestly, I feel like Downs has the safer floor, at least when it comes to targets, than Pitman, Pitman, Office, and Boat. But Pitman also isn't getting the deep targets that you want.
01:31:28
Speaker
I forgot how many. I think he had like eight receptions for like 40 yards or something last year. Last week, excuse me. So down seems like he's a little bit more slippery right now, so along with him. I went paid up a bit because I need to have someone who wasn't a rookie cheap wide receiver and went to Vonta Smith at 7,100. I feel like that Philly-Dallas game is either going to be
01:31:52
Speaker
of defensive struggle or are going to be a highlight reel there. And I think Devonta, it has a lot of opportunity to kind of going up against the secondary corners with Dallas to, you know, get a nice touchdown. He had a bounce back game last week. And one receiver three at $4,000. I mentioned him briefly before, but Damario Douglas, I think, has a lot of opportunity for New England.
01:32:18
Speaker
And he's been getting involved. The team seems to be hyping since the preseason there. So with Bourne going down and Parker potentially in a concussion, I think there's a lot of opportunities this week against a defense that just lost their two best rushers, Ed Rushers in Washington, the commanders. So Mack Jones may have a little bit more time, not having to run for his life because he doesn't have as much talent chasing him. So I think the Mario Douglas is a good value there at $4,000.
01:32:47
Speaker
Yeah, they've gotten some offensive line help back over the last couple weeks, which I think has kind of contributed to their looking less like a piece of shit offense, you know, so if that all kind of comes together, then I like Douglas there. Why don't you tell us who you got? So for me, obviously, obviously, as you can probably expect, I went with
01:33:10
Speaker
the Dak Prescott CD-Lams Dak, $8,200. Like I said earlier, he's been the focal point of the offense. Big game. I expect it to be tightly contested. These are the games where you lean on your guys and I just expect him to get a ton of targets and hopefully get in the end zone. That would be great. Next, I actually have the
01:33:32
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The number one wide receiver lately for the Noron Saints, which is my man Rashid Shahid. I love that. I had him in my line a few times as well. I actually really liked the upside there. I mean, look, like it just seems like he's got more chemistry with their car right now than Chris Alave does. And even if he kind of doesn't need a ton, right? Even if he only, like I think last week he had two catches and he was over a hundred yards. So.
01:33:59
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Um, I really liked what I've seen there. So let's, let's go for the, uh, the upside play. And then, uh, number three, I'm going for Johan Dotson. He's been heating up the last two weeks. I'm not a hundred percent certain Curtis Samuel's going to play. He's dealing with a toe or foot. He needs another look. He didn't practice today. I mean, honestly, like if he plays, then so be it. But I just, uh, it's not, the play isn't totally anchored on Curtis Samuel not playing. I mean, Dotson has had.
01:34:29
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I have like 16 or 17 targets the last two weeks. And he talked about earlier, it looks a lot better. But if Samuel's not out there, I like to play even more.
01:34:39
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Yeah, I'll jump in. I also had to get a piece of that Dallas offense. So I went with CD lamb as my wide receiver one. Same thing Joe said, I feel like he's going to go crazy this week. Also, you know, the Eagles defense against wide receivers is ranked like 30 second, I think so should go crazy. My wide receiver two, I actually went with Adam Thielen.
01:35:02
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Another day, another seven catches. Guy just catches passes week after week. So a lot of targets there. And I think he's going to get at least seven catches again. And then my wide receiver three, I actually went with Nico Collins. Sort of a boomer bus pick, but shot at his worst game last week. So his numbers weren't great. But before that, Collins has been doing pretty well. And you never know, he could go off. And yeah, that was my three.
01:35:31
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I dig it. I dig it. And Schluter, your final tight end flex and defense. What do you got? All right. Tight end was obviously easy. Best tight end in the game. Mark Andrews. That was definitely the first person you put in your lineup. So he was 6,800. And then I really hope this pans out with all you Cowboys. So I got Tony Pollard was going to get three Russian touchdowns for 68.
01:35:59
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And then the defense going against a rookie QB, so I picked Atlanta. That's good value. We're about $3,700. How about you, Jeff? Yeah, so for me, tight end. I went with the old triple stack with my man Ferguson.
01:36:18
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Yeah, I mean honestly He's had mostly hits this season relative to misses. I think actually two weeks ago. He had one Maybe one of his like bigger Doug games with zero catches and then last week he was back for receptions 50 yards back in the end zone with a nice touchdown grip. So Jake Ferguson a tight end Flex I went with Chuba Hubbard. I honestly
01:36:48
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Again, Indianapolis' defense has not looked promising. Hubbard got a bunch of carries inside the 5 and the 10 last weekend, just didn't convert them. And unfortunately, as someone who owns Miles Sanders, it just doesn't seem like he is really a huge part of this offense right now. Hubbard looks good. He's been getting the predominant carries. So for $5,000 as a flex star throw, maybe you rush us for a touchdown. I like Hubbard.
01:37:17
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And then for my defense, I literally went to the cheapest option on the board. I scrolled all the way down to the very bottom for $2,300. And I took the New York Giants at Vegas against the aforementioned Adrian O'Connell, who I think stinks, honestly. I mean, he's not great. And the Giants defense has low key looked great the last couple of weeks. I mean, after giving up 31 points to Miami, they gave up.
01:37:47
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14 to Buffalo and then Seven to Washington and then you know, basically seven and in All but four quarters to the Jets this past week So the Giants defense appears to have kind of turned a corner They look like they're playing great football and for $2,300. I think that is a lot of value. So I
01:38:13
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That's great. I didn't even scroll down that far. That's great. That's great. I'll jump because I have a couple of same you just measured. I went.
01:38:21
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bottom of the barrel 2300 Giants as well. Uh, just too good a value for, it just seems like a safe one. If, if eight in our account, I'll somehow carves up a defense that Josh Allen couldn't carve up. I'd be shocked here. Granted, there's no Leonard Williams anymore, but I still think it's going to be a strong defense. I also had Jake Ferguson a tight end as well. I've liked what I've seen at $4,000 seems like great value. And I do want,
01:38:43
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a little bit more pieces that I came. But you may have noticed I've had a lot of cheap options in my lineup because I wanted to pay up here and at my flex, I went Saquon Barkley here. Granted, he just picked up questionable tag and we are recording this on a Wednesday night and we can't change the line on any news. But I feel pretty confident that he'll be able to play still and going up against the Raiders as well with
01:39:10
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Daniel Jones come back from injury. I think they'll still get Barkley a pretty healthy workload. And I just really wanted to get a three stack of running backs that I think it all finished in the top five to really give me a leg up here. So Jake Ferguson, and then he's at 7,900. So I paid up for that. But it's Jake Ferguson, Barkley, and Giants day. How about you, Ryan? How do you run at your lineup?
01:39:30
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Yeah. So Dave, you're going to love my tight end tier. I had to save some money. I was out of cash. So I actually went with Logan Thomas. I flexed him in the first line. Yeah. I, uh, I think he could be a solid pick. Although I also just saw that he has a questionable attack. So hopefully plays, but, uh, yeah, I went with Logan Thomas and then Dave, you touched on this as well. And my flex, I went with the Mario Douglas.
01:39:54
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Same reasons. Kendrick Bourne tore his ACL. Parker's in concussion protocol. Someone has to catch the ball. Just hopefully Mack Jones can actually get him the ball. And then for that same reason on defense, I actually went with the commanders playing the Patriots feel like it could be a bit of a mess there. So felt like I could get some value there that New England just doesn't have that offensive firepower to hit big plays right now. All right. I take it. Well,
01:40:22
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Great lineups. Again, I'll probably win, but there's a good value from you guys. I appreciate it. But with that, obviously we touched on a few games based on our lineups, but any other closing thoughts that you guys have for this upcoming week? Well, I'll just be paying close attention to Jaren Hall, see how he does start in and how he handles everything.
Upcoming NFL Games and Predictions
01:40:43
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If he can hold off Dobbs, I'd be happy because I picked him up, you know, off waivers. So it'll be a win for me and Dynasty if he can tear it up.
01:40:52
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That's right. Yeah, a lot of new quarterbacks to check out this week. So I feel like that'll be interesting in general. And then in terms of the many good ones, but new ones. We don't know yet. We don't know yet. But in terms of our league, we have the number one, the number two playing each other. Adam and Cropstein playing each other. So someone's going to lose, which is great for the rest of us.
01:41:17
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Uh, I have the same recorders group, please. Uh, he's got a few more than you. Yeah, just like 200. It's fine. Um, yeah. I mean, as far as the NFL go, I think that the marquee matchup, she got, uh, the bills back in Cincinnati since the handler incident, uh, last year. So that. See what spectacle the NFL puts on for that. Cause you know, they're going to milk it. Uh, but it'll be interesting to see how the teams react for that. And.
01:41:43
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There are a lot of other ugly matches, but 9 30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. I got Chiefs and Dolphins playing in Frankfurt, Germany, which is, in my opinion, the best game of the week. Be a fun way to start the morning, having the coffee with my kids jumping on my head, watching some NFL Sunday.
01:42:01
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