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EPISODE 23: DYNASTY DIAMONDS/DUDS WITH SPECIAL GUEST
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We are joined by the commissioner of the MeglaaBowl from the Fantasy Footballers, Ray Smith. We talk about the tournament and then dive into some Dynasty Diamonds & Duds before the start of the season. We also give out a few season long bets that we'll be taking ourselves. Feel free to ride along with us & if you don't have a sportsbook yet, you can find one along with any potential sign up bonus through our link: https://signupexpert.com/nsfw
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:25
dtmr
Welcome in to the and NSFW Dynasty podcast. I'm your host Dave Reed joined by my co-host Ryan Wilkinson and Joey Gallo.
00:00:35
Joey
What's up, guys? How's everybody doing?
00:00:38
Ryan Wilkinson
Hey guys, two and a half weeks to the first game of the season, let's go!
00:00:41
dtmr
Oh, I am pumped. I know I cannot wait to be turned
Introducing Ray Smith, Fantasy Commissioner
00:00:45
dtmr
on red zone. And guys, we got a very special episode today. A couple of surprises later on in the pod, but first, I want to say we we have a special guest on today.
00:00:55
dtmr
The unofficial commissioner of the most fantasy leagues in the world, because not only does he commission an ever-growing list of real and experimental leagues of all sizes, formats, and settings on Sleeper that I'm getting invites to constantly, and I've kind of lost track of.
00:01:10
dtmr
He is the overarching commissioner of the fantasy footballers, Meg LeBolt. We have Mr. Ray Smith on the call with us. What's going on? Welcome to the pod.
00:01:19
Ray
yeah What's up? Glad to be here.
00:01:23
dtmr
So Ray, you want to tell the people how we met and what you thought of sort of us? You met Joe and I back at a fantasy footballers live show back in the day.
00:01:32
Ray
Yeah. um You guys sat right behind me, right?
00:01:35
dtmr
That's right.
00:01:36
Ray
Yeah, that was interesting, I think. buta We had a water bed, right, that night? And who did I who did i water? It was one of you two.
Fantasy Football Community and Memories
00:01:47
dtmr
Uh, if it was me, I tried to block that out. It might've been, uh, but yeah, we were at the live show. Uh, and it's, it's kind of to me, one of the cool things about fantasy football, like the community you met, like you get in that playing the game and we were just sitting behind you, met you there. You intro, intro us to your and NYC for clan league. And we've kind of been friends ever since we've been in a bunch of leagues, uh, all over the place. You and I actually are co-managing a bunch of the leagues. I think you may come manage with Joe at a couple. I think, uh,
00:02:17
dtmr
get to join the Dynasty Junior, Dino Junior League with you. It's been a ton of fun because that's become a pretty popular league that people like to talk about. So, you know, the community is pretty awesome.
00:02:28
Ray
Yes, right.
00:02:30
Joey
I, you know, um' I've been thinking about it for the last probably minute and a half since he said it, what that water bet was. And I don't remember the players, but it was, we were waiting in line to get in and we were arguing between two guys.
00:02:44
Joey
And we said, when we got up to the front to meet the ballers, we we were going to ask them to, to, to break the tie for us.
00:02:46
dtmr
Oh, I do remember it.
00:02:51
dtmr
I think I won that, actually.
00:02:52
Joey
And, and I can't remember, uh, the
00:02:56
dtmr
I don't think it was good players, too. It was like deep in the rankings.
00:02:58
Joey
hostelbo players yeah
00:02:59
dtmr
It was deep in the rankings.
00:03:00
Joey
um people
00:03:01
dtmr
We were deep cuts in that.
00:03:02
Joey
Yeah, maybe by the end of the podcast, if I just randomly interject, it'll be because I remembered one or two of the guys.
00:03:05
dtmr
that Yeah. there' There's been a couple water bets over the years. I think one I got right on recently was the Aaron Rodgers one, which I felt pretty good about.
00:03:16
dtmr
That was before he was on the Jets, but he's thanks, just on out there. But anyway, moving on.
00:03:23
Ray
Give you no injury relief on that one.
00:03:25
dtmr
That's right, he didn't ask for it. Kind of want to give a little interview of our special guest, because he holds a prestigious role.
Ray's Fantasy Journey
00:03:34
dtmr
So I guess, how did you originally get involved with the fantasy footballers?
00:03:37
Ray
Oh, it's, it's a funny story because originally when the, the sleeper app came out, we had channels if you, if you remember, and I had created the.
00:03:49
Ray
Foot Clan channel, which all of a sudden overnight grew to like 30,000 people in a channel that it was constant. I mean, people were posting on that. um There were like 30 posts a day at one point. And I was the sole person managing that kind of forum for them. And I had reached out.
00:04:11
Ray
to Andy, I was like, hey, you, uh, what do you want me to do with this? Do you want me to do want to send me stuff to post?
00:04:17
dtmr
Thank
00:04:17
Ray
And they did. And then eventually after a couple weeks of weeks, I was like, so can I get into the listener league? And he was like, yeah, sure.
00:04:23
dtmr
you.
00:04:25
Ray
So that's how I got in with them. And then, um, the next year after I played them with in the listener league, um, Jason had found out that I was running some, I had some 96 team leagues that were similar to the format of the Megalobold, but obviously way smaller. And he, uh, he reached out and Dan, they was like, Oh, do you want to but like manage our own super league? And I was like, sure. No, no problem.
00:04:57
Ray
And I hadn't really realized how many people would kind of, uh, jump on that first year. And the first year we had 660 people managing it through yeah ESPN with, with single invites, putting in everybody's email address.
00:05:12
Ray
And that was, uh, probably the busiest year, uh, still for this date for them available.
00:05:19
dtmr
but I remember you like hopping on your computer. rent I think we were at like a bar just because like random things were breaking down in certain leagues or people were dropping players and you had to like jump in and save it. It was like the most unmanageable experience.
00:05:33
Ray
Yeah. I mean, when you have that many people and ah in like a fantasy tournament, like it only takes one person out of 600 to do something stupid. And now all of a sudden as the commissioner, I mean, it's the same thing in any of our home leagues or leagues of playing.
00:05:49
Ray
Like if something goes wrong, it's like, all right, the commissioners have to step in and deal with it right away. So that was a, that was a lot. We have more systems in place now, but that was a crazy experience.
00:05:59
dtmr
Yeah. So, uh, so tell us, ah tell us more about the mega bowl, like where it grows because obviously it's a lot more than 600 now and it's no longer an ESPN. Uh, so why don't you tell
Understanding the Megalobowl
00:06:08
dtmr
us about it? How many teams leagues to format the prizes, uh, and how you possibly manage overall that.
00:06:16
Ray
Yeah, so there are going to be over 20,000 people who are playing it this year. um we were We keep growing. I think that this year will probably ah top the next threshold, which I think is 30,000.
00:06:30
dtmr
Jesus. yeah
00:06:31
Ryan Wilkinson
That's crazy.
00:06:32
Ray
We'll see then. um The way that it's broken down is is you get placed into 12-man league. So you do the the draft and you play out your regular season the same way you would any other 12-person league ah with with trades, transactions, the whole nine. um And then when playoffs come, that's where it kind of gets different. you All the playoff teams, which this year in the Mega Bowl Bowl is going to be six playoff teams, but previously we've only done three. So we're kind of opening up the playoff wall. And all those playoff teams go into just a list.
00:07:13
Ray
And you have to score in the top 50%. It's kind of like a 50-50. You have to score in the 50% to move on to the next week. And it goes all the way up until championship week, week 17, right?
00:07:25
dtmr
17, yeah.
00:07:26
Ray
and And the person who puts up the most amount of points, their crowned champion, they get a spot in the listener league for next year. And now they will get a UDK for life, which is their ultimate drag kit.
00:07:40
dtmr
It's awesome. and And for those that don't know, the listener to league with the fantasy footballers, it's kind of what it sounds like. You get to play in a league with the hosts of the fantasy footballers and it's, I think it was a 14 team league. So three spots are by the hosts.
00:07:54
dtmr
If you win the league, you get to stay in it and all the other spots are open to fans. They give away spots for certain promos and and other submissions to get in. So it's a pretty prized possession because there's like thousands and like tens of thousands of people trying to get a spot for that.
00:08:08
Ray
They had over a thousand individual submissions ah this year, which is but wild for them to go through.
00:08:12
dtmr
Which is nuts. And people put a lot of effort into it too, which is crazy.
00:08:18
Ray
i've I've seen a lot of like the videos and and websites that people make. It's insane.
00:08:24
dtmr
Yeah, I've thought about trying to do it. I'm like, I just don't even think I'm capable of competing with these people, so I don't even attempt it.
00:08:32
Ray
ah got completely lucky
00:08:32
dtmr
and Yeah, you also earlier on, I don't think they they were as big yet back then.
00:08:36
Ray
right right
00:08:38
dtmr
What would you say, I guess, is the toughest part of the job now that you're on the sleeper platform? Obviously, when I was in ESPN and it was a little bit more all over the place, it was tougher. It's a little bit more organized these days, but what's the toughest part?
00:08:50
Ray
The toughest part is probably, um I deal with so many issues that pop up because it's it's thousands of leads, right? So I deal with so many issues that pop up. its It's hard to, when I find that person that's kind of causing trouble, I find it a little bit difficult to deal with that over and over and over again and not get ah very annoyed.
00:09:16
dtmr
Yeah.
Strategies for Success in Fantasy Leagues
00:09:17
dtmr
That's why you got the high life in your hand, right?
00:09:20
Ray
right
00:09:22
dtmr
What are what nuances or strategies for this year or that are in the tournament? Because I think last year there were no trades, if I remember correctly.
00:09:31
Ray
Right. so the So the funny thing about this year is I think the best strategy is just going to be treating it like every other 12 person that you're in because you still need to build the best team. You still need to put up the most points in the final week, right? You need to get to the playoffs.
00:09:51
Ray
There's nothing really different besides that last week of putting up the most amount of points. And you can't you can't play season long with the same strategy for that one last week. So you just have to hope that your players go off that last week, but you have to treat it the same just to get to that last week.
00:10:12
dtmr
Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. I'm sure a lot of people are thinking of it as like best ball, but if you're not in that final week, it doesn't even matter and you can't predict what's going to happen between now and then.
00:10:19
Ray
No. Right. i think I think the most successful teams are going to be the ones that just, they grind, they, they, they use a sound strategy when, like when it comes to 12 man leagues and just grind it out, get, just keep winning. We go week by week. Don't go shoot for upside. I mean, you need upside to win, but don't, don't go crazy with it. Like in basketball.
00:10:45
dtmr
And how can a ah any of our listeners get involved in this and be one of the potentially 30,000 contestants in the league?
00:10:54
Ray
So I need to plug another podcast in order to say.
00:10:57
dtmr
That's fine.
00:10:58
Joey
Hmm.
00:11:00
Ray
yeah So you would need to be a supporter of the fantasy footballer. So you could either support them on Patreon or support them directly through the website now. And that's how you get your entry into the league.
00:11:12
Ray
Everybody who supports is able to to join.
00:11:16
dtmr
And whenda when can they sign up for this?
00:11:21
Ray
Signups are live.
00:11:24
dtmr
i but And ah for those that don't know, it is what, August 19th today, Monday?
00:11:25
Ray
So site it has not has not been announced yet, but signups are live.
00:11:33
dtmr
All right, well, our pod will drop most likely tomorrow if you listen to this or later. So by the time you're listening, it hopefully is live. and we We're all about support of the rest of the fantasy community. A lot of our content is based on stuff that we read from fantasy footballers and another one, so happy to support them any way we can there. Any other advice that you potentially have for any of the listeners or just trash talk you want to throw out at the very end?
00:11:59
Ray
I'm better than you and Joey.
00:12:02
dtmr
I don't like that. But I don't have a full clan title yet. I've been so close so many times. What here I've been the finals like it's not last year but like three straight years, but anyway that's done Thank you for that interview riveting, but it is exciting.
00:12:20
dtmr
I love the megalobole every year. I'll be playing as well um I think I just miss I think it was like fourth in my league last year So I just missed the playoff cut off so that that one stung But I'm excited for the expand one.
00:12:30
Ray
We don't.
00:12:31
dtmr
That means I should hopefully get in this year. We'll see I But with that, we're going to keep moving on. After that interview, we're going to jump in and try to give you some extra ways to potentially win. That's that's for redraw, but wait when your dinosaur leaves now. So as we mentioned, the season's going to start very soon. And this is the best time to maximize the value of your players before the season starts in Dynasty. Because everyone has these preconceived notions of what the player is going to do, how the season is going to go. we're all We know exactly what's going to happen.
00:13:01
dtmr
There's no stats, the proof is wrong. So this is the time where you can take advantage and you can either get out on players who are about to lose all their dynasty value like Ekler last year and trade them in for a player who will either hold value or potentially explode this upcoming year, kind of like Kyren. And actually last year you could have traded Ekler for Kyren and a whole boatload more and he would have made out pretty, pretty well there. Because being caught holding the bag on an older player who turns into a dud,
00:13:27
dtmr
can really derail any fat dynasty team, but alternatively, if you hit on an overlooked dynasty diamond, it can expedite a rebuild or put a team over the top. And ah we're all going to give you one dynasty diamond, one dynasty dev, but just as a couple of calls that we made last year, a couple of players that we said that we were going to buy as a dynasty diamond, Jalen Warren,
00:13:47
dtmr
Michael Pittman and Kyron. Joe actually put his money where his mouth is and made a trade for Kyron. So he he really came out big there. Some sells or duds that we had were T Higgins, Garrett Wilson, who he definitely was, he was a top like Ford asset last year. So I definitely think you if you trade him, you probably made out well on the year, but I know Ray probably feels differently there. He's a big yeah Jetson Garrett Wilson guy. Justin Field is also also a sell, which,
00:14:15
dtmr
Man, did that guy's value plummet, so that would have been a great time to sell. A couple other ones, hits or misses, depending how you feel. We had Elijah Moore as a buy, that was a miss. Jameson Williams, I think, was a buy, also a miss.
00:14:28
dtmr
And yes, yeah, sure, sure.
00:14:29
Ryan Wilkinson
He's coming back now, though, Dave.
00:14:29
Joey
hey He might be a bi this year again.
00:14:31
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, he he could be a buy still.
00:14:33
Joey
I thought about it.
00:14:35
dtmr
And Derek Henry as a sell, who honestly, he held value. He definitely was down from where you thought Derek Henry had been, but he's ah He's held value long and I think some of us thought. But with this, let's jump right into it. And honestly, I'm going to give it to our special
Dynasty Picks: Hits and Misses
00:14:51
dtmr
guest first. Why don't you give us one of your duds or diamonds?
00:14:55
Ray
All right. So what if I told you that the best 2024 wider server prospect isn't Marvin Harrison Jr. Say it's neighbors, all right?
00:15:06
dtmr
Oh yeah, of course.
00:15:07
Joey
Happy for the neighbors.
00:15:07
dtmr
Giants fans here.
00:15:08
Ray
No. It's Roman Dunsey.
00:15:09
dtmr
think
00:15:11
Ray
So, Rome was a high volume ex-conceiver and he, the Washington offense ran through with him, right? He was the number one target, best player on the team. Of the big three, talking Marv neighbors in Rome, right? He was the most well-rounded and dominant um when you look at their route trees and how successful they were against zone man at all levels of fields.
00:15:40
Ray
um He can separate himself as the primary option for Caleb Williams, I think pretty early on, because I think that Rome, you can make the argument that Rome is the best wide receiver on the Browns right now.
00:15:58
dtmr
Also the bears.
00:16:01
Ray
oh theres
00:16:02
dtmr
But probably the Browns as well. I thought I don't disagree with the statement.
00:16:04
Ryan Wilkinson
He's going to say the Browns have no one, so he could be.
00:16:06
Ray
me He would, he would be, yes, he would be the best on the Browns as well.
00:16:08
dtmr
yeah
00:16:11
Ray
So, ah e he he wins at all levels. He has an 89% contested catch rate. Made look, made PENIX look great.
00:16:22
Ray
um Caleb Williams doesn't even have to be accurate to for Rome to be successful. Of the big three wide receivers, right?
00:16:33
Ray
Because I'm i'm looking and at this for a dynasty, right?
00:16:36
dtmr
Yep.
00:16:36
Ray
Right now, Rome rome is going the third, right? And it's pretty definitive, right? um He has the most stable QB situation of of the three of them. like Yes, Tyler is considered a franchise guy, but I think there's a little bit more There's some more questions there um that were not really solid on him.
00:17:02
Ray
um Otherwise, Kyler would be this top 10 Dynasty pick, which he's not. um So most stability of the three.
00:17:16
Ray
He's got the...
00:17:20
Ray
I'm sorry. What was my thought?
00:17:21
dtmr
Oh, that's right. I mean, he's talented, but what would you say is another wide receiver's team just signed a long extension?
00:17:24
Ray
so
00:17:31
Ray
Listen, I think DJ Moore is a great, ah good a good wide receiver. Roman Dunez has the ability to be an elite wide receiver.
00:17:38
dtmr
Yeah, I don't disagree. We've seen DJ more.
00:17:41
Ray
We know what DJ Moore is and he'd be very productive, but the most, the elite dynasty wide receivers play X wide receiver, right?
00:17:54
Ray
They're on the outside, right? that's That's where they want the offense to flow through. um he He may not have the best fantasy season this year, but that's what makes him a buy now. it's Because i I don't think it's the big three, right? I think it's Romadunze one and then the other two.
00:18:16
dtmr
Well, you're speaking music to Joey's ears. He he got them in our our league of record in this pod. So Joe, how do you feel about that?
00:18:25
Joey
Yeah, um I'm not 100% sure how involved Keenan Allen will be personally, um maybe maybe super involved, frankly, I i don't really know. um But Rome is there's something to be said for guys that come like rookies that start on teams at the same time as each other and You can already kind of tell that he and Caleb are ah Forging like a pretty solid relationship between the two of them He's getting tons of looks in the preseason and he's coming down with them making big plays so
00:19:01
Joey
um You know, I think kind of like Ray was just saying I think from especially from a big play standpoint um It's um Gonna be Rome getting most likely getting the the majority of the downfield looks um When the alternative is our guys like Keenan and and DJ more so but my my hopes are high I wouldn't
00:19:23
Ray
Thank you.
00:19:27
Joey
say he's maybe the best of the three. I think DJ probably um from a dynasty standpoint is pretty formidable after that last contract that he just signed, but ah my hopes are pretty high.
00:19:46
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, I have to say I did a little research into DJ Moore because I was actually going to pick him as my dynasty dud because of Odunze. I just felt like having him there and Kenan Allen there.
00:19:57
Ryan Wilkinson
I know DJ Moore signed the big contract, but there's a lot of target competition and I do think Rome can be that guy. So, you know, we'll see what happens with DJ Moore.
00:20:07
Ryan Wilkinson
So I like the pick. I agree with Ray there.
00:20:09
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, DJ Moore does feel like the the boomer bus player on that team. like and That's kind of what he's been. He's he's not super consistent, but he ends the year with a ton of points. Rome seems like he could be more of the stabilizing force on that team for Caleb moving forward, which honestly, going forward is like a lethal combo ah for Caleb, which may be foreshadowing until later in the pod. But with that, Ryan, why don't you give us one of your diamonds or duds?
00:20:40
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, so I'll go with my dud since I did almost put DJ more, but instead of DJ more, I decided to go with Dalton Kincaid. and
00:20:51
Joey
right
00:20:53
Ray
you can
00:20:54
Ryan Wilkinson
I am a Bill's fan and I do like the does, but Kincaid is currently ranked as the number 3 tight end on Keep Trade Cut, and even though he finished last year as tight end number 11. As the number 3 tight end, his value can't really go up too much, but I think there's a good amount of risk that it could go down by the end of this year. and I think a lot of people were really into rookie tight ends last year and Kincaid's Valley has been bumped up a little bit by the season that Laporta had. you know Looking at the numbers, he finished as a top 10 tight end in only six of the 16 games he played in. He was only a top five tight end twice. And although he's currently the number three tight end, he never finished as a top three tight end in fantasy until week 18 of last year.
00:21:42
Ryan Wilkinson
And the reason he's ranked so high, Dave and I talked about this a little bit, but it's because of the departures of Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis. You know, everyone's assuming that that opens the door to a larger target share and he could...
00:21:55
dtmr
To be fair, Gabe Davis departed like week eight last year.
00:21:57
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, Gabe Davis had zero targets some weeks, so you know, I don't know how much is getting opened up there, but...
00:21:58
dtmr
but yeah
00:22:05
Ryan Wilkinson
ah You know, he he did only score two touchdowns last year on 91 targets and 9 red zone targets, so there could be some positive regression there, but Kincaid was really at his best when Dawson Knox wasn't on the field and Knox isn't going anywhere.
00:22:12
dtmr
yeah
00:22:20
Ryan Wilkinson
um Kincaid averaged 7.4 targets, 6.2 catches, and 56 receiving yards per game. and scored both of his touchdowns when Knox was sidelined. But when Knox played, Kincaid averaged just 4.9 targets, 3.8 catches, and 35 receiving yards per game. So that's a massive difference. So assuming Knox is healthy and playing every game, you're looking at the lower end.
00:22:44
Ryan Wilkinson
On top of that, the Bills offense became more balanced after Joe Brady replaced Ken Dorsey as ah offensive coordinator. I think they are going to run more this year. When you lose your top two wide receivers and you have James Cook, you're probably going to run the ball a little more. So and the Bills ran the ball 52.9% of the time on their last seven games under Joe Brady, and they went six and one. So you have to assume more of the same is coming.
00:23:11
Ryan Wilkinson
Add in the fact that he also had some injuries causing him to miss some time and I wouldn't be caught paying the the number three tight end price tag for Kincaid right now.
00:23:20
dtmr
Oh man, wow a lot of fantasy community and dynasty is especially going to be big, mad. Are you right? So I don't know. I think it deserves this. That's a spice to take, man. I don't know. No, I don't disagree either because I like Kincaid a lot, but at where he's in, people are viewing him as like a wide receiver ah versus like a tight end with those targets. So it seems like he might be a little rich right now. And I do know that, and we were talking about this before,
00:23:51
dtmr
The pod um off before we started is that when targets disappear, um you more often than not, they don't actually go to catch like ah the wide receiver core tight as they should go to running back. So James Cook is probably the bigger beneficiary of ah digs leaving. So can't can't give that all to concave there.
00:24:09
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, exactly. I like him, and I think long term he's a decent tight end. I just don't know if he's already the number three dynasty tight end.
00:24:18
Joey
Yeah, I would say to play devil's advocate. I like um like Dave said. I do think he'll line up a lot as um more of like running wide receiver routes, but rather than tight end routes, I think he'll be on the field with Dawson Knox a decent amount of the time. Dawson Knox already injured in the preseason, might be out for a little while. um I just don't think, I think that I kind of buy into the,
00:24:49
Joey
the um The bills looking to or but maybe not even the bills but just Josh Allen looking for familiarity and guys that he trusts to throw the ball to ah Early on in the season when he doesn't really I mean, you know Curtis.
00:25:06
Joey
Samuel is new and can't Coleman it Yeah, I mean it's certainly possible, right?
00:25:08
dtmr
Khalil Shakir baby.
00:25:12
dtmr
Yeah.
00:25:12
Joey
I mean Yeah Yeah
00:25:13
Ryan Wilkinson
Who knows, really?
00:25:15
dtmr
Who knows?
00:25:19
Joey
i I lean more with your side, Ryan, that for this year, specifically, and in the near term, he's not worth that price.
00:25:29
dtmr
Especially in the tight end landscape, there's just so many tight ends now too that to get the breaking the top three is becoming tougher and tougher.
00:25:37
Ray
Top three, put some over Mark Andrews, right?
00:25:37
dtmr
so Yeah, that's that's my biggest thing.
00:25:41
Ray
That's top.
00:25:41
dtmr
If if you're top three, it's there's just a lot of competition there to get there.
00:25:46
Ray
Like, Kincaid's going to be the starter, and and I think he's a very good player, but to have him all over Mark Andrews, and and I also think George Kittle's one of the best tight ends out there.
00:25:46
Ryan Wilkinson
yeah
00:25:57
dtmr
yeah But you got the pride still.
00:25:57
Ray
I like it.
00:26:00
dtmr
like And these are young guys.
00:26:01
Ray
Right.
00:26:01
dtmr
We're talking La Porta. like we're not like Kelsey, obviously, I think this year would be better. He's older. But like the other guys are still young for tight end.
00:26:08
Ray
Right. And they've done it before. We really haven't seen Kincaid do it.
00:26:12
dtmr
Exactly.
00:26:12
Ray
There is ah there is a possibility, but to pay that price now,
00:26:17
dtmr
Yeah, I can't do it.
00:26:18
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah.
00:26:20
dtmr
Joey, why don't you give us a diamond or dead here?
00:26:23
Joey
Yeah, so i I think I'll jump in with my dud because I want to save my diamonds until ah after Ryan does his diamonds.
00:26:34
dtmr
Ooh.
00:26:36
Joey
um
00:26:36
dtmr
Foreshadowing. We're a big foreshadow pot here. I don't know if you guys knew that.
00:26:39
Joey
yeah And also because I have a lot more conviction about my dud, who is Rashad White running back from the
00:26:52
Joey
Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
00:26:54
dtmr
Sorry, I clicked it a touch early.
00:26:55
Joey
No, no, no. and
00:26:57
Ryan Wilkinson
mr
00:26:59
Joey
ah So in Dynasty startups right now, just kind of like a lay of the land of where he's going. ah His ADP in startups is 42 42nd overall RB 12, which I think is surprising um Going before James Cook going before Jonathan Brooks going before Derek Henry going before ah DeAndre Swift and not to say that all of these guys are necessarily locked and loaded dynasty assets for years and years to come but I think that With the running back position specifically. um I mean, I I don't know
00:27:41
Joey
the way that I generally play is one to two years um forward looking at at the most. So um you know even got even someone like Derek Henry, yeah I personally would value significantly more than Rashad White.
00:27:56
Joey
So my case against Rashad is um a little bit of talent versus um opportunity.
00:28:00
Ray
Thank you.
00:28:07
Joey
i just um The whole um reason why Rashad White found himself into so much value last season was tons and tons and tons of opportunity specifically in the passing game.
00:28:22
Joey
um But over the last two seasons, he played 17 games in each of the last two seasons, um only averaged 3.7 and 3.6 yards per carry, respectively. um He's not very explosive. um His explosiveness metrics are kind of in the same tier as um Zeke Elliott.
00:28:45
Joey
um ah
00:28:50
Joey
i think i think that I think that overall the offense, and this is more my own take, but I think the offense overperformed quite a bit last year under offensive coordinator Dave Canales. But he has moved on, and I think they're a prime regression candidate this season.
Rashad White's Fantasy Value
00:29:09
Joey
um Baker Mayfield had probably his most productive fantasy season last year as well.
00:29:16
Joey
um And I know that the targets are there. They were there last year. But I personally, um I don't want to be hitching on to a running back who is inefficient, who I think is going to be in a bad offense, who I think is going to be with a new, well, I don't think, I know he's going to be with a new offensive coordinator.
00:29:39
Joey
Um, and I don't want to have to, you know, I guess hope that he can dink and dink and dunk his way into another RB one season. I think that at a certain point talent has to matter and went out and someone else on the roster, although there really isn't a ton of RB deaf behind him, which that would be my, that would be the only real counterpoint here is that there's, there's not really anybody else who's going to be.
00:30:07
Joey
nipping at his heels for carries or you know looking to take opportunity away from him. Maybe Bucky Irving, um who's a little bit undersized, but if they're just going to run screens and dump the ball off, um maybe he can give Rashad White some competition in the backfield. so um To sum it up my take is he's just not a very good running back um He was not very good in his rookie season. He was not very good last year and because he managed to you know catch a bunch of dumped off-screen passes and um You know do something with ah The opportunity that he was given in the offense He was able to produce for fantasy despite being a bad running back. So
00:30:56
Joey
um I think he will continue to be bad and I think that it will matter this year similar to how it did two years ago and I i don't think that he will return on his RB 12 draft position.
00:31:10
Joey
um To me, he's she ah you know last year he finished RB7. I think that is the tippy, tippy, tippy top of the ceiling of all ceilings for him. And a more realistic outcome this year is probably a mid to low range RB2.
00:31:33
dtmr
He's bad and he should feel bad is what Joe wants to get out there. Bri, I believe you are the owner of Rashad White.
00:31:39
Ryan Wilkinson
we We do.
00:31:39
dtmr
How you feeling?
00:31:41
Ryan Wilkinson
It hurts. now i I agree with the take that he's not the best running back. I don't think anyone's sitting here saying he's a ah talented running back and you're drafting him based on you know his skills like a Christian McCaffrey.
00:31:57
Ryan Wilkinson
you know it Like Joe said, it all comes down to the opportunity. And if someone starts to eat into that opportunity, then he's going to be screwed. If he can hold on to all the opportunities he had last year, I think he can still produce a decent season. But you know I think Joe is right where he's being drafted right now. if i If we were doing our startup draft today, would I draft him as the RB 12? No, probably not. But you know we got him way later last year. so I think it makes sense. It all just comes down to how many opportunities he's going to get this year because he's not that good. So he needs a lot of opportunities.
00:32:30
Ray
I think he's being drafted right now at his ceiling. I think his ceiling is RB12.
Jalen Polk's Potential
00:32:35
Ray
Last year he was 15th in points per game. He played he played the whole season, so that's why he got the bump to running back seven, but that's not as helpful as having HN for his shorter season, but game right date game-breaking.
00:32:42
Joey
Right.
00:32:49
dtmr
And right now they chant.
00:32:52
Ryan Wilkinson
Don't get day started.
00:32:53
Ray
um
00:32:54
dtmr
Whoo, get me out of here.
00:32:56
Joey
but
00:32:56
Ray
but ill give you He'll give you those weak winning performances like Rashad White, yes, he had the volume, but he doesn't have the explosiveness to give the the upside that you need for that for your RB1.
00:33:08
Joey
he's a He's a perfectly fine RB2, RB3 option, but i like exactly like he said, I wouldn't be comfortable with him as my RB1.
00:33:09
Ryan Wilkinson
yeah
00:33:17
dtmr
I'm sure his mom likes him, but this pod apparently does not. It's okay. um ah I'll jump in here. Do a little teaser here. so like Patriots, we know they have a history of an utter mess at drafting wide receivers like Thornton and Nikhil Harry. Their current wide receiver room runs about 11 deep. They also just hit the reset button on the quarterback again with Drake May.
00:33:41
dtmr
and was one of the worst offenses in the league last year and predicted to be again so this year. But I'm saying there's finally a reason to get excited and hear people because Jaylen Polk.
00:33:46
Ray
Thank you.
00:33:53
dtmr
So if you've been listening to the pod, which I hope you have been, you know, I am a big Polk guy. I've been teased it up in the rookie preview. Then after the NFL draft, I got to be more excited because he was picked with the fifth pick in the second round, 37th overall.
00:34:09
dtmr
Yet he's still only being viewed as the wide receiver 49 to keep trade cut last time I looked. And I've seen him fall as far as the third round of rookie drafts, which is just disrespectful. ah He was, Polk was getting a lot of hype going into the NFL draft because he's a straight ball, I guess. He can line up anywhere on the line, off the line, outside flank or slot. You can, he blocked, he does everything. The coaches are going to love him and he can get open at all three levels of the field.
00:34:35
dtmr
He's got excellent route running. He's arguably the best hands in the class. He has no drops in his reception perception sample and came down with 85% of his contested catches. um And if you've been following camp reports, that pre-draft momentum that he had is only continuing as he's consistently being viewed as the white receiver of one for the Patriots by all the beat reporters.
00:34:56
dtmr
You go on Twitter or X or whatever they call it these days, search his name, and you'll see highlight after highlight of Polk in an open and or making these big pass plays. It's course say basically of my favorite tweets. He also is clearly becoming best buds with the QB of the future in May as well. And I think we alluded to Rome becoming best friends with ah the quarterback who is drafting the same class as him. Well, we got the same case here with the Patriots and that's the kind of chemistry coming out of the draft that can dream ah that can create the dream scenario where you have a long-term wide receiver, one who gets in a ventral massive target chair. And that's what I'm expecting out of Jalen Polk going and forward. His style of play is very similar to Puca, who also played in Washington before going to BYU. And it's a content Harmon made, and I do want to specify he's not saying Polk is Puca. He's not saying that at all. He's saying that they are in the same style of wide receiver. so got ah
00:35:52
dtmr
you know, asterisk that a little bit. I don't want people getting too excited there. But clearly that type of wide receiver arc works in the NFL and he again has a clear path to be the number one in New England because all the other wide receivers think there and that will remain for years to come.
CJ Stroud: Overrated or Undervalued?
00:36:08
dtmr
He's still someone you can get super chief and I truly think he's someone who can help you not this year especially, but it would not shock me if three years um we look back and he is the wide receiver three or wide receiver four out of this draft class.
00:36:22
dtmr
Not expecting it. I just want to say I don't say he's better than Rome and Mar and Harrison neighbors, but I say he could potentially do it if one of those other guys disappoints. So Jalen Polk, get him while it's hot. Let's go.
00:36:35
Joey
Yeah.
00:36:36
Ray
i love I love this.
00:36:36
Joey
um Yeah, you're in.
00:36:38
Ray
I think that yeah so when i look at when I look at wide receivers, right especially prospects, right the ability to separate is like the number one thing that I care about.
00:36:41
dtmr
Little Polk.
00:36:50
Ray
I think that it leads to success in the NFL. right and You have to be in the NFL and play on the field to get fantasy points. um and And not only that, you're open to catch the ball, right? So, he combines that with high draft capital, right? And opportunity on his team. it's It's crazy that he's going so late. You don't have the the draft costs of paying up for Nikula Harry one first overall, right? you Or the hype behind him. You get him cheap. He's somebody that If he got drafted by a team, you know what?
00:37:22
Ray
You could probably get him from that person's team pretty easily. You don't have to pay a a big price. um I'm very much in.
00:37:29
dtmr
Not for me though.
00:37:31
Ryan Wilkinson
I was gonna say, Dave, what's the price?
00:37:32
Ray
We'll see.
00:37:33
dtmr
man Untouchable.
00:37:37
Joey
I mean, my concern um might just be more so the sheer volume of wide receivers in that room right now and yeah only played what He only% of the starter snaps in their preseason game this weekend, which is which was a little concerning to me as I was actually actually caught the beginning of that game.
00:37:49
dtmr
It's quantity, not quality there.
00:38:04
Joey
And I was wondering where the F he was based upon everything that we were hearing from practice and camp that he was like trending to be a starter. But yet he wasn't playing with the starters and in the preseason.
00:38:17
Joey
um
00:38:18
dtmr
Not worried about that.
00:38:19
Joey
Yeah, no, ah again, I'm literally just playing.
00:38:22
dtmr
Yeah, I appreciate it.
00:38:23
Joey
and And maybe these are opportunities to if you're...
00:38:26
dtmr
That's what you tell to the person you're trying to trade to.
00:38:28
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:38:31
dtmr
But I think that was just that they were giving respect to the vets, but the vets all stink.
00:38:34
Joey
I mean, it's possible, right?
00:38:35
dtmr
Yeah.
00:38:36
Joey
I mean, yeah. ah there's not They have a lot of just mid to below mid wide receivers on the team.
00:38:43
dtmr
They look like. I looked at their depth chart, or I think it's literally 11 guys. That's just like stupid. That's too many.
00:38:49
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:50
dtmr
And none of them are scared.
00:38:51
Joey
Well, it'll be interesting. They're going to get, they're going to, there's going to be several of them that get cut.
00:38:52
dtmr
and Oh, yeah.
00:38:56
Joey
Um, but see.
00:38:57
dtmr
A lot of them.
00:39:00
Joey
I mean, it's, it's not like he's going to, well, it's not like KJ Osborne is going to beat him out or yeah.
00:39:01
dtmr
Yeah.
00:39:06
dtmr
None of these guys are going to beat them. Who's going to beat them? Name one guy.
00:39:13
dtmr
No one. Yeah, there's no one.
00:39:15
Joey
I mean,
00:39:16
dtmr
I got to get a polka drop. That's what I need. All right. Well, now that I'm all giddied up, um let's ah let's toss it back over to Ray. So you had your diamond, so we're going to get real negative here. And I'm i'm excited to see the responses to this.
00:39:33
Ray
So, all right, let me preface this a little bit. I think that this this player is a very good NFL player, right?
00:39:42
dtmr
Ray hates him.
00:39:43
Ray
We're talking about fantasy here, right? And and I'm talking about CJ Stratton, right? Right now he's being drafted, right, and valued as the
00:39:54
Ray
as the QB4, right? In super flex dynasty, right? He's going the fourth pick, right? I mean, listen, but that's an average. He could be going over hurts or my homes, right? and And to me, that's crazy. Stroud has not put up the numbers that these guys have, right? He doesn't have the ceiling. I don't think many people are gonna challenge me on on that, the other top three.
00:40:23
Ray
right But I want to talk about the the guys behind him. right So first one is Lamar. right So when you look at quarterbacks and and the top quarterbacks, money they give you an advantage. right They give you that weak winning performance. sorry So 25 plus might be ah kind of a low bar.
00:40:46
Ray
But that's the number that we're going to use right now. right So last year, Lamar had eight of 25 plus fantasy points. right And granted with with Lamar, some other running back quarterback, he might get a little bit more variance. But Stroud only had three. right and And yes, he did play a little less games. right Let's go to Burrow.
00:41:07
Ray
Right. Burrow played six games. So I think six, five, six games left, depending on what you considered Shroud's injury, which which games you attribute to that. Right. Burrow had the same amount of 25 plus point games than Shroud, but had the same amount. Right. um all ah All of Shroud's height, right. You talk about Digs, Niko, which I love Nikokon's. Right. And Tankdel, they're all very good weapons. Right.
00:41:36
Ray
are Are they better than Burrough's weapons? Like, maybe, but I don't think you can say that for sure. And Shroud's going almost a full round over Burrough and Drax. The point I'm trying to make is that Stroud and being overvalued for the hype and how good he looked on the field when it really did not um translate to fantasy points.
00:42:04
Ray
um the Some of the younger guys behind him, Anthony Richardson, Kayla Williams, they have much higher ceilings because of the rushing potential.
00:42:11
Ryan Wilkinson
Thank you.
00:42:13
Ray
um All the top QBs, they're a true advantage. Hurts, Mahomes even, he's proven that Even without his leg, he he can do it consistently and put up big numbers. um Lamar, Allen, right? We've we've seen Burrow have elite seasons.
00:42:31
Ray
um
00:42:34
Ray
Even Dak, right?
00:42:35
dtmr
Yikes.
00:42:36
Ray
We have not seen Stroud put up tons of points yet. And yes, he's young, and and but you are projecting this when you're taking him with those top four guys.
00:42:49
Ray
And it's it's crazy to value him that high. Go grab a elite wide receiver, elite running back, and your team will be better for it.
00:43:04
Ryan Wilkinson
So I got to jump in here. True story. I was with my friend Brian tonight and he did a startup dynasty draft paid league, like legit people involved. And he said CJ Strad went first overall. It's a super flex league. And I think that just goes to show you how crazy the hype has gotten for him. You know, you have some people taking him over literally Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, which is just crazy.
00:43:30
dtmr
God does not like money.
00:43:30
Ray
Yeah.
00:43:30
Ray
And even if you were to, even if you were to like trade Stroud to that person, you know what I mean?
00:43:35
dtmr
and
00:43:36
Ray
Like we, in in one league last year, Dave, you and I, we we traded Stroud for Dak and a first round pick.
00:43:41
dtmr
Yeah.
00:43:45
Ray
So go get those assets that will make your team better to build around those type of quarterbacks because they're not the ones that are going to be giving you those weak winning performances.
00:43:59
dtmr
yeah Couldn't agree. More Dynasty is all about. We've talked about it, I think, last year. It's kind of like the stock market. like Whenever you see an opportunity where someone's just overvalued, it doesn't mean we don't like the player itself.
00:44:10
dtmr
It's just way too overvalued, dude. So like sell it, get what you can, plus some, and that's the whole thing. Cesar Shaw, you could get an elite quarterback and some, which is insane.
00:44:20
dtmr
Do that. That's definitely the best move.
00:44:21
Ray
That's wild.
00:44:23
Joey
The range of outcomes where he makes you where you end up regretting that is very, very minimal. like He has to turn into Patrick Mahomes slash Joe Burrow
00:44:30
dtmr
yeah
Jordan Love's Rising Stock
00:44:36
Joey
consistently for the next several seasons at a minimum um for you to regret
00:44:36
Ryan Wilkinson
Thank you.
00:44:46
Joey
ah choosing, like Ray said, a ah top-end wide receiver or running back and then taking a mobile quarterback later on.
00:44:49
dtmr
Yeah. Well, ah total agreement here, man. Right, why don't you jump in? Because you're at the same position, I believe, with your dynasty diamond here.
00:45:04
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, so I got another quarterback. I think my guy is already really considered a diamond, but I think he can shine even brighter than where he's currently ranked.
00:45:15
Ryan Wilkinson
So for my dynasty diamond, I went with Jordan Love. He's currently QB number nine on Keep Trade Cut.
00:45:19
dtmr
You got one. They've played a drop, man.
00:45:23
Joey
Mm
00:45:25
Ryan Wilkinson
Ready, go again. Jordan Love.
00:45:29
dtmr
That's a Zelda of Rupee, if anyone stands out there.
00:45:30
Ray
Thank you.
00:45:33
dtmr
what a what I couldn't find a diamond, so that was as close as I could get.
00:45:38
Ryan Wilkinson
it works it works so yeah he's currently ranked as the QB 9 and I think he can push top five maybe even top three in the near future by the end of the season or next season he threw for 37 touchdowns and rushed for four touchdowns last year
00:45:49
Joey
-hmm.
00:45:53
Ryan Wilkinson
But the important part is that 27 of his touchdowns came after week 10. And we have to remember that last season was his first full season as a starting QB. So the slowest start could be attributed to that. And from weeks 8 through 18 last year, he was a top four fantasy quarterback. He averaged 21.1 points per game. Simply put, he caught fire after week nine.
00:46:17
Ryan Wilkinson
And for the stat heads out there from week nine on among 36 qualifying quarterbacks, he was fourth in passer rating, sixth in fantasy points per dropback, and sixth in clean pocket passer rating. He also performed well in two playoff games. He scored 17 and 29 fantasy points. I just think if he continues on that path or if he improves in 2024, he could vault into that top tier QB dynasty ranking.
00:46:45
Ryan Wilkinson
Right now guys like Kyler Murray, Anthony Richardson, Caleb Williams, and Janet Daniels, who both haven't played a real NFL snap, are ranked around where Love is going and Love's proven that he can put up you know top five QB numbers on a consistent basis. He's also only 25 years old and he's in Green Bay where every quarterback to start a full season over the last 30 years has been Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, and now Jordan Love. So I think you can get him now and he could turn into that top tier Dynasty QB.
00:47:19
dtmr
ah Damn Green Bay. They are so good at quarterbacks.
00:47:21
Joey
Yeah, I think i think that for me, the biggest thing is just like how much, what'd you say? He rushed for four touchdowns last year. like Does he continue to to you know look to rush more? And does that number grow a little bit? um Yeah, I feel like for me, that would be like the what he would kind of need in order to take it to the next level and and get into that top tier.
00:47:51
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, I mean, if he rushes more, that obviously definitely improves you know his outlook. But if you just look at the second half of the season, if he does that for a full season, he's a top three fantasy quarterback. So you know it depends which which Jordan Love you're going to get the first half of the season or the second half of the season. But I think it has he has the potential to vault into that top five range.
00:48:15
dtmr
Even with the slow start, he's still finished with over 4,100 passing yards, 32 passing touchdowns, and 11 interceptions. but he And he did have those four touchdowns in Florida. He was a QB 5 with a bad start. Obviously injuries impact everything. And he he got to play the full 17 games. But with his weapons there, he seems like someone who can consistently get over 4,000 mark, what you need, and then over 30 passing touchdowns pretty consistently.
00:48:42
dtmr
and And it's funny, and the reason to get this up out of CJ Stroud, you want CJ Stroud to be Jordan Love. That's like what you hope it would be. But Jordan Love is not viewed anywhere near the same tier as CJ Stroud yet.
00:48:49
Joey
Yeah.
Christian Watson's Health and Potential
00:48:54
dtmr
He's still, he's like a back-end QB1 generally viewed as.
00:48:54
Ryan Wilkinson
Exactly Yeah, and exactly Yeah, now it's exactly what I'm what I'm getting that you know CJ Stroud is being drafted way before him and You know Jordan Love has proven that he can put up the numbers but he also has a lot of young weapons Which I know Joe is high on so Joe why don't you go into your ah dynasty diamond?
00:48:57
dtmr
um So I think that's where the the upside is, is like, if he just does what he, he doesn't, even if it doesn't level up, he's better than what he's currently being valued at.
00:49:26
Joey
Yeah, um so i I went with Christian Watson for my for my dynasty finance.
00:49:34
dtmr
have to be a quick trigger now guess
00:49:39
Joey
I was looking for somebody who I i thought you know like could could be acquired at this point for a reasonable price and um has a decent amount of upside relative to his current perceived value in the market.
00:49:55
Joey
um and
00:49:58
dtmr
I have to be a quick trigger now, I guess.
00:49:58
Joey
after debating a couple different guys landed on Christian Watson, who is currently the wide receiver 40 in Dynasty startup drafts. He's going behind Brian Thomas Jr., who um we've yet to see play a single NFL snap, ah behind Jackson Smith and Jigba, who disappointed pretty um significantly in his rookie year, and who a decent amount of people from a dynasty standpoint are out on at this point. I wouldn't say that I'm one of them, but there is definitely a large contingent of people who are out on him. um Terry McLaurin, who I feel like we've been waiting for Terry McLaurin to reach his full potential since he came into the league,
00:50:49
Joey
um I think that ah Christian Watson gets a bad rap, well, and maybe deservedly so, based upon his the fact that he's had a hard time staying on the field um and consistently suffered from soft tissue or more specifically hamstring injuries ah that have
00:51:10
dtmr
legs are fixed now though right
00:51:12
Joey
Well, that's the thing, right? like he definite he he there was ah There was this conversation about how in the off season he saw several doctors trying to look for answers to address kind of the root cause of why he kept suffering these hamstring injuries. um i I doubt they found like the magic solution.
00:51:37
Joey
ah But I know they also like ah have a new strength and conditioning ah like trainer like in the in Green Bay as well and it wasn't just him who was suffering quite a bit of soft tissue injuries last year and Jones has a history and a lot of other guys on the team too. So maybe it was something they were doing.
00:51:58
Joey
And maybe you know you buy into this hype of ah you know him finding the magic solution to prevent hamstring injuries in the off season. But when he's on the field, 2022, he wasn't on the field a ton early season, but ah started playing around week 10. So you if you call week 10 kind of his breakout week,
00:52:22
Joey
10 through 18. In 2022, he averaged seven targets a game. um And with those seven targets a game, he had yards per catch games of 26, 27, 21, 16. So when he when he comes down with the ball, it's it's it's almost always a big play.
00:52:42
Joey
2023, his average depth of target, 15 yards would put him ah number six in the league and in terms of ADOT. He averaged 11 fantasy points per game over the nine games that he participated in. His expected fantasy points per game was closer to 15.
00:53:01
Joey
Um, so I just kind of feel like there's a lot of hype ah around guys like, uh, Jaden Reed and Dontavia and Wicks and, uh, even the tight ends, Luke Musgraves. And I think that, I think we're forgetting that Christian Watson is the number one receiver when he's on the field.
00:53:22
Joey
for this team. um He's definitely the most talented. And if he's out there, he'll demand the targets. So I personally think that you're you're kind of making a bet on him staying healthy this year. If he does stay healthy this year, he's going to return substantially on the cost right now that you're paying to roll them out there.
00:53:47
Joey
So Christian Watson, I think to me is, is worth the dice roll. You know, I think like that's kind of especially at the wide receiver position too. If you can acquire him right now for um somebody who you don't believe in or somebody who's doesn't have the same upside. I think there's a lot of upside to be had here.
00:54:11
dtmr
I love the thought of Christian washington ah Watson scouring the earth, going to all different crazy doctors, trying to find a solution. Kind of like Dr. Strange, he's going to like crazy monks. just like some What is this problem with me? Someone's got to know it. So hopefully he he found the right witch doctor or something. But I do agree. There's a lot of upside to be had there. Ryan mentioned there's just so many weapons. And we don't really know who the wide receiver one there is. Everyone's kind of making guesses.
00:54:37
dtmr
but if you Guess right, you're gonna be paid pretty pretty well there.
00:54:44
Joey
Yeah, and I mean like Jayden Reed's best games last year were when Christian Watson was out injured. Jayden Reed also like might primarily operate in the slot. We know that Watson is is the big is the definitely the biggest downfield threat on the team. We know that Jordan Love likes to throw the ball downfield, so I just kind of feel like.
00:55:08
Joey
you know, like I said, I think this one is just a ah a dice roll on his health. And maybe it's more of the same. And, you know, he's just an injury prone guy. But I think if he plays 16 games this year, he's going to be ah in the high end wide receiver to conversation, which is significantly better than what you're looking at in terms of his current cost.
00:55:35
dtmr
All right,
Xavier Worthy's Fit with the Chiefs
00:55:36
dtmr
well, I'm going to jump in because I got another wide receiver. And, you know, it was a first round NFL draft pick who was the fastest man of all time at the NFL combine, who now gets to play with Patrick Mahones. But I'm calling him a dynasty dud. Oh, yeah, we're talking about ex Xavier Worthy. Oh, so spicy. And I control the drop, so I get to do it now.
00:56:02
Ryan Wilkinson
had Why are your di drops perfectly placed?
00:56:06
dtmr
Yeah, it's it's called timing right comedic timing Worthy is currently the wide receiver 28 on keep trade Cup and he's viewed by many as the fourth overall pick and rookie dress and the wide receiver for as well in the rookie class and he's even in reject Lee's being drafted as soon as the seventh round which is crazy me and
00:56:07
Ray
Yeah.
00:56:29
dtmr
Let's just get the obvious out of the way. He's tiny. He's 5'11", 165 pounds. Now, small receivers we've seen are being able to succeed at a higher rate than the NFL, but this isn't just small. This is like shockingly tiny. And I have some concerns here. Obviously, the first and foremost, injury is always going to be an increased risk when you're that tiny.
00:56:51
dtmr
But on top of that that, his size actually impacts his play. In Matt Harmon's reception perception, he was in the 28th percentile for press, ah going against press defense and the 44th percentile against man. Physical corners will and have been a problem for him and he will now be dealing with more physical corners than he did in college. These guys are grown men where he was playing against kids before.
00:57:13
dtmr
So, you know, DBs are going to be focusing on locking him up with a lot of scrimmage. I mean, we've all I think at this point seen to highlight him being thrown away, thrown around like a ragdoll or pinball. The line of scrimmage in ah in the camp. It's crazy. You don't see any other play flying around like that. And yes, he's a fine route runner and I can take that away. He's better than most speed guys are, but his hands are bit suspect. Combine that with his size um and diminish your stature. you There's no surprise that he had an 18.2 contested catch rate, which was the lowest in the class. If he doesn't get full separation, he's simply not going to be making a play there. Going into this year, he's he is viewed also on the Chiefs as the best number three option in the offense behind Kelsey and Rashid Rice. Hollywood is also there. He does have an injury right now, so he'll miss some time. But when he's healthy, he could potentially bump worthy down to number four. And we also associate Mahomes and the Chiefs
00:58:09
dtmr
with a ton of offense, but that hasn't really translated to fantasy points for all the players involved. Since 2020, the third option in this ah offense has never cracked the top 50 wide receivers. um And the third option is typically a speed go tight wide receiver like MVS or Nicole Harmon or Justin Watson. Juju was there too, not really speed guy, but you get the point that the third wide receiver, not a super valuable role. um They like it for the offense and it works well for the Chiefs because it opens up the rest of the field, but it doesn't yield consistently fantasy points. But you may say, were these more talented than those guys? I mean, he was a first-round draft pick. Maybe, but we don't really know that yet, and the Chiefs haven't really been graded smashing on their early draft picks with offensive weapons. We thought Sky Moore, who was a second-round pick, 54th overall, was going to be great. Nicole Harmon, second round, 56th overall. c h eight C.E.H. was a first-round pick, 32nd overall.
00:59:05
dtmr
Oh, we thought they're all going to be smashes. And guess what? They are all basically droppable now in Dynasty. Think about how far they fell. And again, I think he'll be better for the Chiefs. I think they made this pick un intentionally because it opens up the rest of the offense. They're relying more on the run game with Pacheco. Kelsey and Rashid Rice, with the offense really flows through. They dominate in the short and intermiary in intermediary areas of the field because they have such a relatively low ADOT.
00:59:33
dtmr
So I think it's gonna help the Chiefs across the board and the offense really clicking all cylinders and I do agree worthy is gonna have some sporadic games where he puts up multiple long touchdowns and make me look like an idiot in those games But the consistency will not be there even when Kelsey and potentially Hollywood depart I don't see a world where they rely on worthy to be a true target earner I would be shocked if they didn't get another weapon to replace Kelsey when it retires, or he'd get another wide receiver take the Hollywood role after his one-year deal. There's just no way I really see Worthy being more than really the number three option moving forward. And he's being valued where players are have ah the future of potentially being wide receiver ones, where I think Worthy's ceiling is potentially a wide receiver too, but his
01:00:23
dtmr
Floors far for lower kind of alluded this before I view him as a smaller and less talented Jamison Williams Who was even a higher draft cap? but when we see how far his dog has dropped and I see a lot of the same and Xavier worthy one more time
01:00:47
Ryan Wilkinson
I got two things, Dave.
01:00:50
dtmr
Dropping all the drops. All right, anyway, go for it.
01:00:53
Ryan Wilkinson
but First off, Jamison Williams is on his way up. Just gonna leave that there. But, uh...
01:00:57
dtmr
It's really not even further down, I hope.
01:00:59
Joey
Talking about a talking about wide receiver wide receiver two for the Detroit line chambers and Williams.
01:01:00
Ryan Wilkinson
Second off...
01:01:04
dtmr
Yeah, maybe.
01:01:06
Ryan Wilkinson
But not a... to put his...
01:01:07
dtmr
A fourth the receiving option for the Lions?
01:01:09
Joey
Currently currently on my roster and Oakland Association.
01:01:13
dtmr
Yeah.
01:01:14
Ryan Wilkinson
but But to put his size and perspective, he's 5'11", 165 pounds. He's basically me, and I definitely don't belong on an NFL field.
01:01:19
dtmr
yeah
01:01:22
Ryan Wilkinson
so
01:01:22
dtmr
Imagine Ryan getting hit by an NFL defender.
01:01:24
Ryan Wilkinson
yeah I'd be dead.
01:01:26
dtmr
He'd break, he'd break.
01:01:26
Ryan Wilkinson
I'd be dead.
01:01:30
Joey
He's not going to get hit because he's going to be too fast to catch.
01:01:32
dtmr
Listen.
01:01:32
Joey
It's kind of like Tyreek. It doesn't really matter that he's small because he's faster than everybody.
01:01:36
dtmr
He's first of all, do not use that. Tyreek is one of one and that was also a late trap pick, but no one can compare to Tyreek. He is an anomaly worthy is not that they've tried this and there's like, oh, Michael Harmon's the next Tyreek.
01:01:49
dtmr
No, it doesn't happen. No one else is Tyreek. worth It's not worthy.
01:01:54
Ray
So I think that the the difference between Sky Moore and and Hardman is that Worthy isn't actually a good separator and he he's fast, but he knows how to get open. And I agree. I think it should be more sporadic. I don't see him being ah the number two one or even the number two option. I think he is at best the number three option. But if there's anybody who could figure out how to use Worthy in the right way,
01:02:25
Ray
It's going to be Andy Reid and Patrick Holmes. That's where I see the upside. I don't see him having the upside as the fourth wide receiver
Jonathan Taylor's Fantasy Value
01:02:36
Ray
off the board. I would far rather have BTJ or even Ricky Pierfall.
01:02:42
Ray
five But i i can I could see the avenues where it could happen. I would not be betting on it. I sure as heck wouldn't be spending a fourth overall pick in a rookie draft room.
01:02:56
dtmr
That's right. ah You can trade and get a ah decent amount for him. Even though there are some skeptics, every league has people who are hyped up on him. I think in our league, someone traded it up to get him as well. A lot of value there.
01:03:10
dtmr
Any other thoughts, any other you know bonus ones? I know ah ja ah Jonathan Taylor was one that we talked about. I kind of bashed him last spot, so now I can do it again, but he's someone who I'm quitting towards the dead.
01:03:19
Ray
Yeah, ja Jonathan ah drama Taylor, I feel like he's such an, I feel like he's an easy sell right
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01:03:27
Ray
now. Like you always want to get out on these running backs before it's too late.
01:03:27
dtmr
yeah
01:03:31
Ray
um that That offense, i I think there's more of a range of outcomes that people think where Jonathan Taylor could not be used as much and they could not be productive as productive with the running game.
01:03:45
Ray
it It just kind of has all the the signs, the point to where like he's probably not going to be there long term. And then when running back to chain change teams, value takes a big hit. You don't know what's going to happen. So that's kind of my take.
01:04:02
dtmr
I agree. If you want my full take, go to the last pod. I put on a like a nice 10 minute breakdown, but I agree. I think he's a sell. Now, we're going to move into a new segment. It's going to be a recurring segment. It is going to be the non guaranteed lock of the week. Sorry, don't have a drop for yet working on it. Maybe DJ dirty work and put something together for us. But ah because it is the preseason, it is the non guaranteed lock of the season. um And got some other exciting news. Guys, guess what? We joked about it before the past, but we officially have an ad read. Can you believe it? We're making it guys, quitting my job. But
01:04:41
dtmr
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01:05:04
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01:05:15
Ray
Thank you.
01:05:16
dtmr
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01:05:49
Joey
You're a very, very non-guaranteed mortal luck.
01:05:50
Ray
All right.
01:05:53
dtmr
know No promises, but it's a lock. No promises. ah
01:05:58
Ray
ah say Joy, you're saying you don't like the bed?
01:06:01
dtmr
No, the lawyers told us to say it's not a promise.
01:06:01
Joey
No.
01:06:06
Joey
We can't say it's it we can't say it's a luck, so it's a non-guaranteed luck.
01:06:06
Ray
but my My bed, if I were bedding, I would bed. that the Eagles would win the NFCs. I think that the Eagles net have gotten better. Like, yes, they've lost Jason Kelsey, but they've been drafting a lot on defense. They made some nice additions. They're bringing in Kellen Moore to coach up the the offense. I think that this team is an actual competitor in the NFC, and a lot of people would say the favorites. I don't think
01:06:43
Ray
I see the Cowboys as competition with them. They they definitely got worse over this offseason. CD is not happy with his contract. I don't know where that's going. like Yes, they still have a very good defense, but i don't I don't think I put them in the same level of team as the Eagles.
01:07:00
Ray
um so and ah Another thing I want to look at is uh, strength of schedule. Right. So Warren shot the shark does a really good job of this and he looks at it in two different kind of, uh, sections where you look at the strength of schedule based on the opponent for the apply. Right. And they, they look at the projected lines and the individual, uh, win totals for their opponents. Right. The, the Eagles have the ninth easiest schedule in the NFL. Right.
01:07:31
Ray
pair that with net rest edge. So this is something that I like a lot. um Looking at the rest edge that each teams have, I think is a really good way to kind of also think about start sit decisions, right? When you look at a team coming off by or you have a defense that's coming off a Monday night game and they're playing Sunday, you know what I mean? That those little things matter in the NFL. um So the The best Netrest Edge is the Ravens, which they have a crazy 16-day Netrest Edge. Netrest Edge is the cumulative of all the weeks um where you have either
01:08:17
Ray
negative days against your opponent or positive days, right? So the Eagles are tied for the second with a net rest at the edge of 12, right? So they actually don't play any teams off their by, right? And they only have one day, one game where they rested for less time than their opponents. And that's the Saints, which I don't think anybody's picking the Saints to win that game.
01:08:41
Ray
Um, I think when you combined all those factors, I think it's a little, it's very, very likely that the, uh, Eagles will win their division.
01:08:52
dtmr
And what odds did you get that at?
01:08:55
Ray
So I just pulled it up right before we started recording at minus one 40, which I think is pretty, pretty good.
01:09:01
dtmr
It's all right. That's worth it. Anything under minus 150 for season long, um I'm typically into. So that works out for me. Although, I wouldn't be doing that, because let's be honest. I'm betting on the Eagles. Giants fan here.
01:09:13
dtmr
Giants are going to surprise.
01:09:14
Joey
Haha.
01:09:16
dtmr
Yeah, not guaranteed.
01:09:20
Ryan Wilkinson
I think we can guarantee that the Giants are not going to surprise.
01:09:24
dtmr
they did I'm not putting money on it. um Why don't you give us your bet?
01:09:33
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, so I wanted to come up with something I felt comfortable with. I think out of this group I'm the least seasoned bettor. I don't know about Ray's betting tendencies, but mine are pretty low. So I wanted to come up with something I felt good with. I went with Derek Henry over 950.5 regular season rushing yards. It's minus 112 on FanDuel right now.
01:09:56
Ryan Wilkinson
I know what you're going to say. He's on a new team. He's a year older. He hit that dreaded 30 mark for RBs, but he rushed for 1,167 yards last year and there isn't much competition at RB on the Ravens.
01:10:12
Ryan Wilkinson
I know what Dave's going to say, Lamar's the rusher there, and he'll steal some of his rushing upside, but he also should get better opportunities even if he gets less opportunities. And not for nothing, but Gus Edwards rushed for 810 yards last year in the same situation with Hill and Mitchell behind him.
01:10:30
Ryan Wilkinson
And he can't tell me that the king isn't an upgrade even at 30 years old over Gus Edwards. So, Sleeper has his rushing projection at 1172, Fantasy Pro is at 1189. I know Vegas is usually a better indicator, but nothing is a given. Certainly not a guarantee, but I think it's a lock to me that Derek Henry is gonna rush for over 950 yards this season.
01:10:58
dtmr
Yeah, it's honestly, the only way I feel like other outside of injury that that doesn't happen is that they move the ball so well that he's only rushing between the 20s and just scores a million touchdowns instead for my, uh, my redraft league. But, uh, yeah, I mean, he seems to be hitting that mark consistently. Gus Edwards can get that close. I feel like Henry should definitely surpass it, but I'm going to jump in with mine.
01:11:25
dtmr
Uh, we kind of alluded to before this was the foreshadow during the aroma doomsday breakdown, but I'm going with Caleb Williams over 3,500 and a half passing yards on Fandel at minus one 12. Now, Caleb Williams is already the heavy favorite to lead rookies in passing yards this year. And since 2010, which is 13 seasons, 10 of those seasons have featured a rookie eclipsing the 3,500 passing yard.
01:11:53
dtmr
mark with 12 of those rookie QBs reaching that mark over that span because there were two that actually hit that mark in 2016 and 2021. Seven of those players were actually the first overall pick in the NFL draft, just like Caleb Williams. So seven out of 13 years, which is more than 50%. And let me read you some of the names in that list. You had Andrew Luck, ah who is the has the record still Well, over 4,300 yards in 2012. Justin Herbert, who earned over 4,300 yards in 2020. CJ Stroud over 4,100 in 2023. Ken Newton with over 4,000 in 2011. And James said over 4,000 in 2015. Mack Jones, of all people, with over 3,821. Carson Wentz with almost 3,800 in 2016. Baker Mayfield with over 3,700 in 2018. Tyler Murray with over 3,700.
01:12:46
dtmr
2019 Dak Dak Prescott had 37 or nearly 3700 in 2016. Trevor Lawrence at 3600 in 2021 and Sam Bradford guys remember him just broke the mark with 3512 in 2010. So ran through that whole list. No, this has been said a lot. No rookie, at least first overall ah pick quarterback has ever come into league with a better situation from a weapon standpoint than Caleb Williams is coming into this year.
01:13:16
dtmr
And he's viewed by many as a generational town for multiple years. in multiple years just And he's getting homes like comps. So it feels like this is a layup bet. And then you watch some of the plays that he makes in the preseason. I mean, non-guaranteed lock. But I have a hard time believing that he doesn't reach that mark outside of injury. So I took the bet myself already as well.
01:13:39
Ryan Wilkinson
I mean, it's yeah if Sam Bradford can do it, then, I mean, Caleb Williams can't do it.
01:13:40
Joey
Yeah, plus that's ah that's a fun one to ride too.
01:13:42
dtmr
Oh, yeah, right? Come with me.
01:13:48
dtmr
I mean, that that list, these QBs peak in some of these guys in their first season.
01:13:52
Ryan Wilkinson
yeah really
01:13:54
dtmr
Mack Jones. Mack Jones, people. But anyway, thank you for that. Joe, I want to hear where you're going.
01:14:01
Ray
ah wasn't in and I wasn't until I saw the list.
01:14:05
dtmr
Oh, yeah.
01:14:05
Ryan Wilkinson
was
01:14:05
dtmr
You see that list? You're like, OK, this is like he can do it. Joey, break it down.
01:14:12
Joey
All right, so um I am going with a little plus money because I feel like ah we had a couple, I wanted to have one of our our first
01:14:20
dtmr
Ooh, I like that.
01:14:27
Joey
non-guaranteed locks to be a plus money bet for those who are looking for a little more upside. I'm going with the Buffalo Bills to miss the playoffs ah at plus 140.
01:14:35
dtmr
who
01:14:40
Joey
That's the range. Plus 140 was the best price that I saw on bet 365 in New Jersey. I think 130, 135 is available. and ah
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dtmr
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01:14:52
Joey
yeah yeah Yeah, sign up for all of them to be frank. If you're really into sports betting, then shopping lines is a good way to go for long-term profits. um So my concerns with the Bills,
01:15:05
Joey
um
01:15:10
Joey
first and foremost, ah they have had a lot of turnover on both the offense and the defense. um I think that losing Staphon Diggs um Losing Gabe Davis, who, although we can joke about his Houdini acts for fantasy football, actually was a ah relatively impactful wide receiver for them um on you know sometimes an alternating basis. But um he was a pretty impactful player. um i think that there's I personally have a little bit of a concern for Josh Allens.
01:15:48
Joey
um productivity from a fantasy standpoint without Staphon Diggs. I think that ah ah Josh Allen's like ascension to fantasy, the fantasy, the top, I guess, of the quarterback um hill for fantasy football ah kind of coincided with Staphon Diggs joining the team. I've also been having concerns about Josh Allen's um the the wear and tear that his body is taking. Let's put it that way. He runs quite a bit. He takes a beating, and it all over the last few seasons has turned into quite a bit of fantasy points, and we can only pray that it continues, but at the end of the day, right like the don the you know at a certain point, he's going to start to wear down a little bit if he continues to ah take so much on his shoulders physically. so
01:16:41
Joey
ah They've had injuries in the preseason thus far Marquez Valdez Scantling is out for several weeks um On the defense linebacker Matt Milano is out for the season already with the torn biceps they have ah quite a bit of Other guys out there Curtis Samuel a new receiver who they're actually looking for um I'm assuming they're going to be looking for contributions from um has a turf toe injury already. So I think that and on top of all of that, um they are in a very tough division. And Ray mentioned strength of schedule earlier, the bills have the 23rd toughest strength of schedule.
01:17:32
Joey
um Meanwhile, the Jets have the fourth easiest and the Dolphins have the eighth easiest. So I just think that in a so in a situation where you know last year the Bills really, really ah managed to just kind of sneak into the playoffs by the skin of their teeth, um it's probably going to be a situation this year where they're fighting for a wild card. And I just think everything really, really needs to go right.
01:18:05
Joey
and um You know, if Josh Allen does, you know, like get banged up at any point, you know, speaking of injury, it's like Mr. Biski is their
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01:18:15
Joey
backup quarterback. He just got hurt in the last preseason game. um So I just think there's a lot of ways this could go wrong for Buffalo. um And then, you know, last but not least, I think that coming up short.
01:18:27
Joey
so many years consecutively in the playoffs, I think that has a cumulative effect. And I think that this could be one of those years where if things don't get off to a that strong of a start, then it could just be a down year for the bill. So I don't personally like Josh Allen, have him in a couple of different fantasy ah teams and certainly not rooting for it. But I think I plus money, it's it's definitely Worth a look, as they say. What do you guys think?
01:19:00
dtmr
I feel like Ray is ecstatic about it as ah as a big Jets fan.
01:19:03
Joey
yeah
01:19:04
dtmr
what What do you feel? What are you feeling over there?
01:19:07
Ray
I wholeheartedly agree. I think that last year day they snuck out a lot of wins where they probably shouldn't have. um The team's got a lot of turnover. ah They're putting so much on Alan, who is going to have to run a lot more to make up for the lack of pass catchers and weapons that they have on that team. I don't think Curtis Samuel and Keon Coleman coming into the more place Stefan Dickson gave Davis Ram a tweet, give him crap. Like he's an okay NFL player who contributed that offense. Like that's going to be a lot to make up for. I think that he's going to put a lot more wear and tear on his body. And it's, I think it's, I would make that bet.
01:19:58
dtmr
All right, as long as you do it through our link.
01:20:01
Joey
There
01:20:05
dtmr
All right.
01:20:06
Joey
we go.
01:20:07
dtmr
Well, those were our bets. Again, feel free to to ride with us if you want to have some fun. Nothing's guaranteed, but those felt like locks. So, you know, so come along. ah And we're going to get into our final segment, because as we know, this podcast was ah created because of our lead, the NSFW Dynasty League. And this is our NSFW Dynasty League Corner. Going to quickly shout out, we had a couple of trades this offseason we wanted to just talk through real quick. ah So the listeners can kind of hear what's going on in the League, see what type of trades are going on, and get our feedback on it all. so
01:20:40
dtmr
We had one where ah Matt and Dan Rizinski acquired Brian Robinson, Luke Musgrave, and a 2025 first round. And again, we're tied in premium. And Schluter acquired, in return, Jonathan Taylor. So you know, Ryan, my is feeling towards Jonathan Taylor. I also personally love Brian Robinson as a sleeper pick this year. I think he's a good value. I'm being overlooked at things like outside of the top 30 running backs. And I think he will easily beat that.
01:21:08
dtmr
So I actually love what the resin skis done, but I get what Schluter is also trying to do He's trying to get back into contention this year, but where are you guys falling on this one?
01:21:18
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, I mean, I think there's just too much potential value on the Rosinski side, whereas Shooter got Jonathan Taylor, and if anything goes wrong with Jonathan Taylor, he's in trouble, but... You know, a 2025 first is very valuable.
01:21:31
Ryan Wilkinson
um Luke Musgrave, I mean, he could be a hit. And ah like you said, I think Brian Robinson is very serviceable.
01:21:35
dtmr
Hmm
01:21:38
Ryan Wilkinson
So I would lean the resinsky side. I think shooters trying to go back to back and win it this year. So he wants Jonathan Taylor now, and he could get one amazing year out of him for sure.
01:21:49
Ryan Wilkinson
So I'd lean the resinskies, but I get where shooter made the trade.
01:21:55
Joey
Yeah, I think I lean towards the Rosinski side too. And it's also because I'm, I mean, we'll see what happens with a shooters team this year.
01:22:07
Joey
Um, but if he misses the playoffs, not to say that he's going to, but you know, I think when we did our power rankings, he was kind of like middle of the pack to like, I would say like lower 40% for the three of us and we're all idiots.
01:22:21
Joey
So maybe that means he's going to win the league again, but, uh,
01:22:23
dtmr
Yeah, we were wrong in a lot of things last year.
01:22:25
Joey
If he ends up if he ends up ah missing the playoffs and that and that's a higher high first then and i'm I'm not as out on Jonathan Taylor as all of you guys are, but I think that.
01:22:25
Ryan Wilkinson
It's probably gonna work, yeah.
01:22:37
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can be wrong and I have been many times and if I'm like.
01:22:39
Ray
So while
01:22:43
dtmr
Schluter had a very rough offseason for what happened with certain players. Could be turning it around, but like that's how you go from a championship team to a team that's trying to fight again. But what do you think, Rhett?
01:22:55
Ray
I think that Jonathan Taylor is generally a sell. I don't hate the value that Schluter got because he he's really not giving up a ton. He's giving up a first, but I don't think, like, yeah, I think Brian Robinson is going to be a value this year and Musgrave looks okay as a tight end prospect, but he's not really giving up a lot. Like these guys aren't going to contribute for him this year and he's getting Jonathan Taylor who could be a top four, top three back.
01:23:25
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
01:23:27
Ray
um i do I think that's definitely still in the range of outcomes. um But I actually pulled up his team in your league looking here. And I think that he...
01:23:35
dtmr
You have god axis and sleeper? and
01:23:38
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah.
01:23:39
dtmr
good
01:23:41
Ray
So I think that he probably could have used those assets to go after a kind of a difference making wide receivers. I mean, he does have neighbors, but if you're contending this year, do you really want to ride with him as your one?
01:23:50
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
01:23:57
Ray
You know what I mean? Like maybe take. those assets and pair them with, I don't know, Keon Coleman and go get Mike Evans. I mean, not, I'm and not saying all those assets, but go get Mike Evans or T Higgins or somebody from a a rebuilding team like Dave's.
01:24:17
dtmr
I'm right in the middle of the pack, man. I was a second overall in the regular season last year. No, my team's in a weird spot. No, I think it was a fair trade all all around. It just depends on where your value and players are. But I agree. Jonathan Taylor can absolute smash. And if he does, that helps his team out big time.
01:24:40
dtmr
But we did have one other trade. ah And one of the guys on the pod actually had it. So it was Ryan over here. He acquired Ramon Dre Stevenson in a 2026 first with, a again, Schluter, who's always slinging him out there.
01:24:53
dtmr
And Schluter got Kyron Williams at 2025 third and at 2026 fourth. So got Kyron and Jonathan Taylor, the guys clearly trying to load up the season. But I thought it was a good trade for both, personally.
01:25:05
Ray
Thank you.
01:25:07
dtmr
ah I feel like it's pretty fair, Kyron is the one who kind of scares me beyond this year, but I think he obviously can smash this year as well. I'll be on on the all in on him.
01:25:16
Ryan Wilkinson
Thank you.
01:25:16
dtmr
And Remondry, as of return, plus getting that first, and it's two years out, so that first could actually be a bit more valuable, depending on what happens with these running backs. But Remondry is serviceable, so it still feels fills the void for you, Ry, as well, while loading up on some draft capital that I think you've been sneakily been doing lately.
01:25:35
Ryan Wilkinson
Yeah, I mean, Raimondre just wanted to come home. We had him ah originally trade him and traded him away and then got him back.
01:25:39
dtmr
That's right.
01:25:42
Ryan Wilkinson
but yeah mean well We got Jamison Williams, ah you know who's on the way up.
01:25:43
dtmr
What'd you get when you traded Raimondre again? Was it Madison?
01:25:49
dtmr
and
01:25:51
Ryan Wilkinson
so
01:25:52
dtmr
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:25:53
Ryan Wilkinson
But no so I think we talked about on the last podcast more Kyron Williams a little risky I think he absolutely can be a league winner this year but he also you it's it's not possible that he isn't a league winner and ends up not being that great. So we felt like Stevenson was a decent trade to get the first, um and we don't really feel like we gave up too much in 2025, 3rd, and 2026, 4th.
01:26:27
Joey
Yeah I don't hate it. I looked at um i looked at Kyron Williams' unders for my um my bet for this week. um Ultimately decided to pass because they weren't. um They were already i guess modestly set to the point where I wasn't super enticed. but Yeah, I mean, he's he's he's great when he's out there, but he's a little bit of an injury risk. And um I just worry that if Coram gets an opportunity, then that could really impact Kyron's future. So yeah, I'm...
01:27:08
Joey
I think that capitalizing, I mean, 2026, I think it's fair both ways, really.
01:27:16
dtmr
Huh?
01:27:16
Joey
Like I have Kyron in a dynasty where I'm also looking to move on, but I'm looking to move on to um like a young kind of established, maybe wide receiver um rather than a draft pick, but getting a first round pick is is solid return.
01:27:20
Ray
Ahem. Yeah, I think that the value is fine. I just think that Kyren's the kind of piece you add when you have everything else and you are a contender already. I think that he kind of spent a lot of draft capital to get his team kind of equal to a lot of the other teams. You know what I mean?
01:27:57
dtmr
Yeah, there's ah there's a couple of lead teams in there right now. Joe's one of the the scarier ones as well. Got a quick rebuild. But yeah, i mean overall, solid trades. I like the action. I want to see a couple more before the season starts. But I'd appreciate what the guys are doing in the league. Any other notes or comments or player news
Trade Offers and Final Thoughts
01:28:15
dtmr
you guys want to say? I just hope that ah CD Lamb and IU get freaking contracts on but before the next time we record. But what are you guys got?
01:28:25
Joey
I got two two trade offers in my inbox right now. I'm looking at them.
01:28:28
dtmr
yeah
01:28:29
Joey
And um I yeah she keep sending them along.
01:28:31
Ryan Wilkinson
we need We need the content, Joe. Accept.
01:28:35
Joey
ah ah ah i'm not I'm not especially enticed by by either, but I still need to formally respond.
01:28:37
dtmr
yeah
01:28:43
Joey
And ah yeah, I, you know.
01:28:46
dtmr
are you Are you keeping him in purgatory at a spite? like Why have you turned it on yet?
01:28:50
Joey
No, no, no, I just.
01:28:53
Joey
As somebody who has traded with me several times in the past, you know this is how the operation goes when you're trading with me.
01:28:58
dtmr
I know it's brutal. Joe doesn't respond for like weeks. yeah
01:29:03
Joey
I certainly stew for ah several days. yeah
01:29:09
dtmr
Even when it's obvious.
01:29:10
Joey
Yeah.
01:29:11
dtmr
It's fine.
01:29:11
Joey
You know what it is too. And I'll just, this is the last thing I'll say. Um, when it's, when it's like several players for several players, that takes me a lot longer. Like if, if, if you, if someone, if someone just offers me a one for one, I can generally decide and respond on that like pretty instantly.
01:29:28
Joey
But you know, when Dave, when Dave sends you an offer, it's always like four guys for four guys.
01:29:29
dtmr
Ever come back to play, it's like another way.
01:29:33
Joey
And I'm just like, I just don't have the fucking time.
01:29:34
dtmr
I'm threading the needle here, man.
01:29:37
Joey
I do not have the time to evaluate whether or not this is a good trade right now. I'll come back to it So yeah so that's ah that that but keep the trades coming and I I'm looking forward to the season
01:29:44
dtmr
That's fair, that's fair.
01:29:54
dtmr
That's right. Right, what about you? Any parting words as the guest co-host we had today?
01:30:03
Ray
I do have to say, to dirty work, the team in your league.
01:30:07
dtmr
Oh, yeah, it came on Sean.
01:30:07
Ray
I really love his, I love his team. He, he's got, yeah, he's got a great core.
01:30:10
dtmr
They're also Jets fans. He's Jets fans, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:30:17
Ray
He just needs to figure out some, some, I think he needs one, one quarterback, but he's got some first and draft capital.
01:30:23
dtmr
It's a right team.
01:30:24
Ray
Um, it is, it is a very main team.
01:30:24
dtmr
It's a right team.
01:30:27
dtmr
It's certainly a right team.
01:30:28
Ray
It is. I like it. They're probably going to win.
01:30:30
dtmr
Yeah, there I mean, they're the top three in our power ranking, so. Looking good. Yeah, last thing we need is them to have big heads. Damn it, Ray.
01:30:38
Ryan Wilkinson
and
01:30:39
dtmr
OK, we're cutting the spot off. All right. Well, thanks again for everyone listening. Really appreciate it. Thank you, Ray, so much for joining us for the pod. And ah go get in the Megalit Bowl. And thanks again.
01:30:51
Ray
Thanks, guys.
01:31:03
Ryan Wilkinson
I know.