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EPISODE 22: ROOKIE DRAFT REVIEW & POWER RANKINGS
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We catch up on the post draft rookie landscape and then dive into a review of our own league's rookie draft. We give some insight on other players we're trying to figure out the dynasty value of still and finally update our leagues power rankings!
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Transcript
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Ryan
you
00:00:11
Joey
Thank
Season Excitement and Sports Overview
00:00:27
dtmr
We are back. Have you missed us?
00:00:30
Joey
you.
00:00:31
dtmr
It feels like it's been a while. How you guys doing?
00:00:34
Ryan
Yeah, it's been a long time that opening still gets me pumped up, so excited to get into it.
00:00:41
Joey
Yeah, the calendar is turned. Hockey's over. Basketball is over. All we have is baseball in the Olympics, which means that it's basically the very, very beginnings of football season. So we are ready to go.
00:00:56
dtmr
That's right. We do have a little bit of WNBA and it's been pretty profitable.
00:01:00
Joey
Yeah.
00:01:00
dtmr
But aside from that, it is definitely, this is the dynasty season in this time of year.
00:01:04
Joey
Yeah.
00:01:07
dtmr
This is when you were just looking on Twitter for any high piece. looking for um I can't tell you how many times I'm just looking of my players names and see if there's like a video at all footage of them catching a pass. It could be anything. It could just be an underhand pass from a referee. I don't even care. I just want to see him on the field. But this is when it you see the values of players go up and down. You're trying to make moves jockey per position and trying to set yourself up for the best LSU season yet.
Review and Preview: Rookie Focus
00:01:33
dtmr
so We got a lot to go into because it's been a while since we recorded last time. It was our rookie preview. So it's pre draft. We were talking about a bunch of players. We didn't know where they landed. Guess what? They landed in places. So you're going to hear a little bit about our takes on some of those.
00:01:49
dtmr
Then we did have our own rookie draft in our league.
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Ryan
All
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dtmr
We're going to dive into that, give a little bit of breakdown of where players landed in our draft and see who we think were some good values, maybe a little bit overvalued players and just run through that.
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Ryan
right.
00:02:02
dtmr
And then we are going to go through a couple of players that we want to see how we value. Maybe these are players you're going to target in trades when you're trying to ship off your team or you just don't know what you're going to do yet. And that's kind of the the discussion we'll have. And then we'll dive in to the the premium premium part of the pod, which is the power rankings, which I'm sure will get a lot of people angry and other people pumped. So it's always good content to have. How you guys hey guys feeling for the pod? It's gonna be it's gonna be a journey.
00:02:30
Joey
It's going to be a journey, but it's going to be a good pod. Lots to talk about. Lots going on. um Been a while since we've podcasted. It feels like we got a whole fresh slew of takes to throw out there. ah Hills to live and die on for this season. I'm excited. I'm excited to kick things off again. It feels like feels like the the official start of our podcasting season, so I'm i'm ready to go.
00:02:58
Ryan
Yeah, lots to cover and like Joe said, it's the beginning of the season. So a lot of speculation out there, a lot of different takes you can have and I'm excited to hear what both of you think.
00:03:10
dtmr
That's right. Yeah. The best part is I think there's going to be a lot of organic discussion here. So with that, let's
NFL Draft Surprises and Player Analysis
00:03:16
dtmr
dive on in. So obviously, as I mentioned, the NFL Draft happened. And there were quite a number of surprises picked there. and And I'm sure we'll get into a bunch. But first, I'm going to kind of tee it up to you guys. Who are some of the players that you were surprised in where they landed, whether it be Draft Capital or what what team they landed on?
00:03:37
Joey
Yeah, I'll jump in on, obviously, Michael Penix, that's the one, right? Do we gotta to just mention him, mention him first?
00:03:41
dtmr
Yeah, that's the headline.
00:03:43
Ryan
It's obviously the biggest surprise.
00:03:44
dtmr
we We got to talk about it. We got to talk about it.
00:03:47
Joey
Yeah, like, it I just, it's unfortunate. It's, I think, more so than anything. i kind of Kind of stinks for Penix himself. I know him make more money being a top 10 pick, but um you know if he doesn't see the field for two or three years, he's already on the older side. um It also sucks for everybody on the current roster who was feeling good about, you know, potentially being a contender and, you know, essentially wasting an eighth overall pick that you could have used on some on a player that could have contributed to ah the team winning in the in the near term with Kirk Cousins at quarterback. So um that's obviously that i I feel like it's only only only right to mention him first. But what else you guys got?
00:04:37
Ryan
yeah mean I think we should talk about the Chiefs moving up to take Worthy in the first. um you know I don't think Worthy was that high on anyone's board, but then as soon as he got attached to Patrick Mahomes, he kind of shot up the rankings. and you know He's a speedster. Dave and I talked about it a little bit before, but you know his size is just small. He's ah you know almost me plus 20 pounds, and I'm definitely not an NFL player. so
00:05:04
dtmr
I would not draft you, Ryan.
00:05:05
Ryan
It'll be interesting.
00:05:06
dtmr
I would just say that.
00:05:07
Ryan
I wouldn't get drafted, that's for sure. So it'll be interesting to see how he does there. I do think there's a lot of opportunity there. There's not really a standout alpha wide receiver that, you know, is there. So the opportunity is there. He's attached to Patrick Mahomes. ah Kind of interested to see what you guys think about him landing there.
00:05:29
Joey
Yeah, I mean, I'm excited personally. I'm excited for the whole offense going into this year. I feel like they are a a strong positive regression candidate overall.
00:05:40
Ryan
Thanks.
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Joey
um You know, obviously they won the Super Bowl, not that they had a bad season, but they're at this throughout the course of the year. I think we can all agree in terms of just offensive production, fantasy production. They kind of had a little bit of a down year relative to the to the few years of the Mahomes era prior so. um It'll be interesting to see how they use him. um You know, Tyreke is kind of like one of a kind in his ability to um leverage his speed um in a way that just breaks defenses. And, you know, it I feel like when there were the questions with Tyreke, the Chiefs drafted McColl Hardman and it was like, well, you know, they just, they grabbed McColl Hardman to be
00:06:26
Joey
Tyree V2 and that obviously never really worked out. ah So can't help but to think this is a similar or could be a similar situation where they're just trying to ah relive the magic with Tyree again via savior worthy.
00:06:41
dtmr
to.
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Joey
But I think he's an all around better wide receiver than Michael Hardman was and probably a lot higher likelihood that he will be a better NFL receiver.
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Ryan
you
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Joey
So yeah, i I'm excited about it personally. like
00:06:56
dtmr
I think it's better for the Chiefs than I think it's for worthy. I and just have a hard time believing a player that size will work out. Obviously, smaller receivers are fine these days, like they that the way the NFL rules are changing, but he is so small. And he also doesn't have great hands in general. he He had a good pretty good production profile in Texas, but it's kind of a gimmicky offense. He is super fast. That was the other thing. like He was the fastest receiver ever in the combine.
00:07:22
Ryan
Thank
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dtmr
So he knew he was going to get pushed up drop boards. And then he gets tied to the Mahomes. He's going to get pushed up even further but for fantasy purposes. But I think it opens up things for the offense more than I think he's going to be a consistent producer ever. I mean, you hope his best case scenario is Deshaun Jackson. And Deshaun Jackson also it wasn't that tiny. And there's a he's 1-1.
00:07:48
Ryan
you.
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dtmr
And the other thing, too, is like these guys Typically, he's already tiny so injuries are risk and when your speeds are soft tissue injuries or is risk He's already dealing with hammy stuffs in camp. So like I'm personally like for drafting. I'm kind of out on him I don't like there's a point where I definitely will take him but for where he's going. I'm not taking it myself
00:08:09
dtmr
I think the Chiefs, I actually think the Chiefs offense will be a lot better, but again, like, yeah, that's not someone I am personally targeting. Just, there's too much risk. Like I, and I'm aware I could be fully wrong on him. He, like if he hits, he's going to blow up. Like it's not, I don't think there's a middle ground for this guy. Like when he hits, he's going to have massive games. But he's either going to be an absolute stud, a bust, or someone who like is a you throw in your flex and it's a Hail Mary. He could be like a Rashid Shaheed at some point. He's just hoping for like a long bomb in game. So that's really it.
00:08:42
Ryan
Yeah, and what about the other side of that trade, the bills trading back, who needed a wide receiver and then they grabbed Coleman, went to 33rd pick. Are you, you know, higher on worthy there? Would you have rather they stuck with and took worthy or do you think they made a good move trading back for Coleman?
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Joey
So,
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Joey
uh, I wasn't, let's put it this way. I didn't have a strong opinion of Keon Coleman myself, but the people that I listened to were not in love with Keon Coleman as a prospect relative to some of the other wide receivers out there. He did go to Florida state and had really huge games, but he also had games where he did absolutely nothing. And there were, there were like, there was a decently strong case against him. Um, but we, we also just kind of made it a decently strong and I think is a decently strong case against savior worthy too.
00:09:31
Ryan
Okay.
00:09:38
Joey
So what was interesting is just, you know, trading, allowing the chiefs to be the ones that they traded with, uh, to, to basically jump ahead of them in line, uh, for wide receiver. Like it's just, it's a little, it's a little risky in that if they're going to look like, uh, like dummies if worthy ends up working out well for the Chiefs and Coleman does not end up working out well for them because you know they both needed wide receivers and they were like yeah you guys go first go ahead.
00:10:05
Ryan
Yeah.
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Ryan
Yeah, and they obviously end up playing each other a lot in the playoffs. And if that happens and worthy goes off, they're going to definitely be kicking themselves. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
00:10:18
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the bills and cheese are like, they're pretty much AFC rivals right now. And so like, to let them get the first dibs on it. Now, I'm not excited. I'm not hyperly excited about either pick. I don't know if those are the greatest, in my opinion, wider series they could have taken at those spots myself, but There's definitely opportunity like he and Coleman like he's, he makes some crazy highlight reel catches like his highlights. If you only watch highlights, you think he's the best writer Steven in the class probably. like But the consistency is not always there. He is a great soundbit. I will say that. So like,
00:10:56
dtmr
But he if I had to put someone who I'm worried about busting, he's the one i'm probably of like the earlier round wide receiver. He's the one that I'm the most concerned about. I think he he'll probably settle in long-term as a better wide receiver too on that team.
00:11:10
Ryan
Thank you.
00:11:10
dtmr
I don't know. I've considered about him becoming a true one, just based on consistency. alone but i do think he'll have like the big plays and big games here and there but who knows we'll see i do think there's a lot upside on it and obviously the bills need him to kind of step up there is not a lot of weapons there um on the higher end at least for allen to be thrown into so we'll see but Few other names I want to throw out, uh, quick hitters and we'll see if we want to discuss any more boat. Next, just getting not just round one, but 12 overall draft capital to the Broncos who also like, and Sean Payton as your coach, who was like, he he's done wonders with his, his thumb and turn quarterbacks into like usable fantasy assets.
00:11:41
Joey
yeah
00:11:54
dtmr
See what happens with boat next there, but that was not really expected. Brock Bowers going 13. 13 overall is not really the surprise, but to the Raiders who drafted Michael Mayer the in the second round last year, it was a bit of a surprise. Bowers will be, it's okay, it's not a great spot, but Mayer's stock is pretty much dead at this point. And then Ricky Pearson and Xavier Legette, both getting first round capital. Just the fact that they got first round capital, I think is pretty interesting. Pearson gets a ah better team overall, raw but there's obviously depth chart challenges there. Xavier Legette,
00:12:26
dtmr
No challenges there, but a terrible team, so a completely different um situation there. But the fact that they got the first-order draft capital is pretty interesting since they were kind of people that you were hoping would get a good pick and second-round fringe and they got the first, which was pretty interesting.
00:12:38
Joey
fringe, yeah.
00:12:42
dtmr
McCarthy landing to the Vikings at 11, more so that no one had to trade up for him at all. I just thought it was interesting because of all the hype that was going around, but it's a pretty interesting spot.
00:12:48
Ryan
Thank
00:12:52
dtmr
My man, Jalen Polk, he got very high second round capital at 37.
00:12:56
Ryan
you.
00:12:58
dtmr
Nearly a first round pick, but he landed in the Patriots, which some people are a little gun shy on. Troy Franklin, who the fantasy and dynasty community loves. This guy is crazy. I see some mock drafts. He's still going in the first, and some mock drafts are just absurd to me. But he landed in the fourth round with the Broncos. And then a few other players that people are hiring like Berlin Allen He felt the fourth with the Jets which is like he's just backed the breeze And and then Ben Senate was just one last name This was something that we mentioned on the rookie preview show and something that the fantasy community was kind of getting behind He actually got super high capital in the second round and landed in Washington with his lot of opportunity and But curious how many of these guys we have any thoughts on at all or if you want to jump into players who win pretty good spots What's
00:13:19
Ryan
you
00:13:24
Joey
Gross.
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Joey
I would just say
Evaluating Draft Picks and Team Strategies
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Joey
in out, out on Bonex, out on Troy Franklin, out on Xavier Laguette.
00:14:00
dtmr
come on I Understand it I understand it I just I Took it.
00:14:00
Joey
Yeah. yeah know You know, like, yeah. For me, it's.
00:14:07
dtmr
There's enough touch-up, but it's like a 30% chance. It works out
00:14:10
Joey
Yeah, for me, it's just a combination of the spot plus the late breakout, like like I can't I can't I can't. ah He feels like it feels like a situation where he was just like, you know, the senior who or the fifth year senior who has like a massive body and athleticism and whatnot, who is just kind of like finally producing when he was going up against guys that he was significantly older and bigger than and I don't he's actually not going to have that advantage in the NFL Plus. He's on Carolina, but. Maybe it'll surprise me, I don't know. um
00:14:45
dtmr
I will say, because I drafted him, I don't disagree with anything you said. But part of the reason is it's a huge bet. It can go wrong. But it's kind of exciting. It's kind of the way I like it. It's like a parlay. You like you believe it, but like you know. You're like, oh, this is going to hit. But in the back of my head, it's like a very little chance to hit. You're like excited about it anyway. like That's how I feel about it again.
00:15:08
Joey
Yeah.
00:15:09
Ryan
I feel like I was just going to say we went over some of those percentages in the last podcast and I feel like I don't know the exact percentage that it was but when there was a late breakout like that I think it was definitely pretty low in terms of hits.
00:15:09
Joey
And then, go ahead.
00:15:24
dtmr
You know how low it is? It's never happened before. No one's ever broken an alley before, so it's never happened. But he's it's gonna be fun, guys. It's fun.
00:15:24
Joey
Yeah.
00:15:33
Joey
um Braylon Allen out and. um I don't want to. I don't want to seem like ah ah a team Homer saying in on Ricky Pearsall because the player Ricky Pearsall. I'm not super in on and as a person he seems ridiculous, but the situation. The situation.
00:15:52
dtmr
Why didn't you bring me him? Why are you he so out on him?
00:15:56
Joey
No, the situation with him is is could be nice. There's the possibility. i feel like
00:16:02
dtmr
yeah
00:16:03
Joey
ah if they If the Niners do move on from Deebo, that seems like the route that they'll take. It seems like they're working on signing Iyuk. Once they sign Iyuk, then Deebo's gone. Then it creates the opportunity for Pearsall on a Kyle Shanahan offense. I'm tentatively in, but um yeah, he's another one who, it you know, like you talked about the sound bites for Liget. Pearsall is like a crazy guy too. but
00:16:33
dtmr
is I I do like his sister because he he had he can as long as he gets the opportunity in that offense I don't see how he's not usable uh like and he has the upside to be very good um but yeah I agree oh
00:16:43
Joey
Yeah.
00:16:47
Joey
Yeah. All right. Moving on to what? Great spots.
00:16:53
dtmr
Great spots who are some of the guys that that maybe that we haven't mentioned yet that land in spots that like you're either excited about you're hoping they'd land in or because of where they landed now they are their perceived values a bit higher.
00:17:07
Joey
Yeah, you know, the one that I'm gonna throw out is Jonathan Brooks.
00:17:13
dtmr
I like it.
00:17:14
Joey
Because I liked Jonathan Brooks a lot going into the draft. And at first, I was a little grossed out by the spot, but as more time has passed, um and as of, you know, Miles Sanders, you know,
00:17:33
Ryan
Thank
00:17:33
Joey
for owner soon to be not owner once I cut him soon.
00:17:37
dtmr
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen.
00:17:37
Joey
um It's just yeah, like it's a situation where if if everything works out for him coming back from his injury, he's going to get a lot of opportunity there and he he very well may be a really good asset.
00:17:48
Ryan
you.
00:17:52
Joey
um but Just based alone on the opportunity that he'll get in that backfield with not a ton of competition. So even though it seems gross on Carolina just based on last year, I don't know the worst teams are hardly ever the worst teams back to back years. Maybe they have new coaching staff. Maybe Bryce Young will do some things this year and um yeah, I actually am. I'm on the I'm on the the the plus side for Jonathan Brooks in in Carolina.
00:18:21
Ryan
That's what I was going to say. You talked about the Chiefs regressing you know positively. ah You got to assume that there's a chance that that happens for the Panthers as well. And ah you know they're loaded up.
00:18:31
dtmr
They did invest in the old line a ton, which they needed.
00:18:34
Ryan
Yeah.
00:18:34
dtmr
So that helps.
00:18:35
Ryan
And there's a lot of young talent out there. And if Bryce Young can take a little bit of a jump in year two, then there could definitely be some value on that team. But I think we got to also talk about Marvin Harrison Jr. We haven't talked about him yet. Obviously, one of the biggest fantasy names in a long time.
00:18:50
dtmr
Yep.
00:18:52
Ryan
ends up on the Cardinals. Joe, I know that has a pretty big impact for you and your QB there, so what do you guys think about that?
00:19:04
dtmr
That's a dream scenario i scenario, in my opinion.
00:19:06
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:07
dtmr
But Joe, this hits more on me, so I'm going to hear how you're feeling.
00:19:16
Joey
Sorry. No, I was hoping for it. I the whole time I was ah praying that it would work out that way. I feel like there were um a lot of. Unideal like landmine situations and that in the whole like top seven of the draft, right? And if you kind of look at some of the other like Malik neighbors is a perfect example where. um I love Malik neighbors as a player. And I'm also a Giants fan, but I'm also a little bit worried about his near term upside with Daniel Jones, a quarterback and whatnot. So you you kind of feel like at least Cliff Kingsbury is out of there in Arizona, probably a good thing. And Kyler's seems to be healthy. I'm hearing that, you know, he looks the best he's ever looked in his career right now at at at camp.
00:20:07
dtmr
Every player looks the best they've ever looked at.
00:20:09
Ryan
yeah there's There's that speculation we were talking about.
00:20:09
Joey
yeah
00:20:13
dtmr
If you haven't heard that, they look like trash.
00:20:15
Joey
I saw a nice ah who was Trey McBride. Trey McBride was quoted to say that.
00:20:21
dtmr
That's the best shape of his life.
00:20:22
Joey
He's he's in the best shape. He's looking like he could be an MVP candidate 50 to one.
00:20:26
dtmr
man Turn the clock back five years, looking great.
00:20:27
Joey
So ah yeah, no, I think.
00:20:32
Joey
Well, we'll we'll we'll talk about Marvin Harrison more later. Um, you know, he's probably my number one. I know we have a segment not spoil, but like, uh, toughest players to value right now. And he's, he's probably one of my toughest players to value because the inherent value is so high, so high.
00:20:48
Ryan
you
00:20:51
Joey
And for me, like, I just, I have a really, really hard time with somebody I've never seen play an NFL s snap. um So I'm excited and I'll be a lot more excited once I like week one happens and he's got you know 8 for 115 and a touchdown then I'll then I'll be all the way there.
00:21:08
dtmr
Yeah, it's like it could not work out better. And I'm pretty confident that it's just, it's never been that everyone fully believes that a player is going, like they basically think he's going to break all poopers records. So that's kind of what it comes down to like, and that's like the only way in most drafts that you're going to get, he reaches his ADP, which I'm sure we'll get to is that he has to do something crazy like that.
00:21:22
Joey
Yeah.
00:21:34
dtmr
but he could do it. and And there is like a lot of discussion people, like you're saying, would you trade Pooka for Marvin Harrison straight up?
00:21:43
dtmr
I might honestly, just for the upside, fortunately for the guy who has Marvin Harrison, he also has Pooka in our league. So he doesn't have to make that choice.
00:21:50
Ryan
yeah It's really not fair.
00:21:50
Joey
facilities Yeah.
00:21:53
Joey
Yeah.
00:21:53
dtmr
Working out real well for that guy. We'll get into that later. um Yeah, a few other guys will just run through quick and feel free to jump in after I've called out their names if you want to like dive into them further. But other players, I personally think they've landed in good spots. Brian Thomas Jr. to the Jags, I actually think that's a great landing spot with Trevor Lawrence. I think the way Trevor Lawrence throws the ball matches up pretty well. Brian Thomas Jr.'s skill set, and they obviously need a true number one. And that seems something. There's a lot of opportunity there. We mentioned Keon Coleman, the fact that he's number one worthy, going to Chiefs, pumped up his stock.
00:22:25
dtmr
Lad McConkie getting pretty early draft capital right at the top of the second round, 34th overall to the Chargers where they have no wide receivers. ah Joshua Palmer I think is their number one right now. So you know they need it. He looks like he has a lot of skills to be. A pretty good possession receiver and but can get down there. He gets a lot of separation. Trade Benson to the cards may not be a valuable asset right out of the gate, but there is definitely a clear path in the near future, within a year or two, to give the lead back and a pretty good offense. Jermaine Burding going to the Bengals, he got the day two capital, and T. Higgins' situation's up in the air, so a new tie to Burrough, so that could increase the stock. Blake Quorum to the Rams, just because McVay's offense schemes are great if anything ever happens to Kyron.
00:23:12
dtmr
Rashawn Lloyd to the Packers. There were some questions of Josh Jacob's situ season last year was an anomaly. Or if he really is just like bad because that's the situation. Lloyd could potentially get a lot more play for Green Bay. Jalen McMillan to the Bucks. He's already actually getting hyped as the third slot receiver coming in. So like he already might begin to feel pretty early. for a team that could use that. And then this is a little bit of a homer picks here, but Theo Johnson to the, and Tyrone Tracy, both of the Giants, Theo Johnson tied in, got fourth round capital, Waller retired, so clear path there. and
00:23:52
dtmr
Tyrone Tracy, the only threat in the depth chart is Singletary there. Singletary is a fine bag. He's not explosive. Tyrone Tracy is very explosive, and he used to be he's a converted wide receiver. So there you expected him to maybe get third down passing options there in that offense, and they already you tried to do that. do You already hear that he's the third down pack. We're competing for that. So a clear path to getting a lot of play there for the Giants. But any of these guys for you that you're pretty excited about, or you just want to double down on what I said.
00:24:23
Ryan
Yeah I mean obviously this is a ah little bias since I drafted Brian Thomas Jr. and Dave I know you're maybe a little biased on the quarterback side as well but yeah I think it's a great landing spot for him.
00:24:33
dtmr
I just want to say, before we say that, ah perception, perception, also the quarterbacks, and they broke down a ah Trevor Lawrence one, and the stats will say he was an incredible quarterback. His wide receivers suck. They can't get separation. Ridley stinks. All his stories are great. I'm just saying.
00:24:51
Ryan
Yeah.
00:24:51
dtmr
It's gonna happen.
00:24:52
Ryan
I mean, I'm there with you and I'm hoping Thomas takes over that role.
00:24:55
dtmr
I will say the fumbles, the fumbles are an issue. That is definitely a Lawrence issue, but the throwing is fine.
00:24:59
Ryan
yeah yeah Yeah, so we'll see how that plays out, but I'm ah definitely excited about his landing spot. um But yeah, other than that, you know a lot of these guys ended up tagged to you. They're really great teams, they're really great quarterbacks, and that's always gonna be a great landing spot.
00:25:17
Joey
Yeah, I'll I'll I'll just thumbs up lad mcconkey. A lot of campus, a lot of opportunity, great quarterback. um So yeah, lad mcconkey to the moon.
00:25:28
dtmr
Yeah, same move. And what about throw out some guys that were either lending in bad spots or just interesting spots? so Whether it be they're not exceptionally good, they're just questionably not really sure how to value them. Or just players that we need to talk about, they just kind of want to toss out and just get their name out there.
00:25:48
Ryan
Yes, so I wanted to throw out Odunze and obviously he's paired up with Caleb Williams. So I think it's just an interesting spot, not a bad spot in terms of, you know, Dynasty, you're, you're excited that he's paired with Williams for the foreseeable future, but maybe a loser in the near term and in redraft formats. um You know, the target competition there, you got DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, Kolkamet, So it'll be tough for him to come out and really put up huge fantasy numbers in year one. um Kind of like JSN last year in Seattle where he was you know drafted as a rookie first rounder, but you know had two other established wide receivers there. so
00:26:34
Ryan
I think it'll be interesting to see how he does year one, but the important thing if you compare him to JSN is that JSN still maintains his dynasty value even after not having a huge season, and I think that will be the case here. So even if he doesn't blow up year one, you're excited to have him on your team, and he's definitely in a good spot in terms of dynasty.
00:26:57
Joey
Yeah.
00:27:00
Joey
I definitely agree. A higher value from a dynasty standpoint than a redraft standpoint.
00:27:05
dtmr
you
00:27:07
Joey
um As an owner, I am hoping and clinging to the narrative of, well, you know, like he's, you know, spending a lot of time with Caleb Williams. They're both rookies. They're, you know, together at, you know, rookie camp and, um you know, doing workouts together. And, you know, maybe that will create some early season chemistry.
00:27:27
Ryan
Thank you.
00:27:29
Joey
um Also, it's like ah it's like a totally new offense, like new quarterback, Keenan Allen, new, um Roma Dune Zane, new. So you know like i it'll be interesting and to see exactly how that offense looks. um
00:27:49
Ryan
Yeah, and you're right, you could you could flip it, and you know maybe Kian and Alan's the one who ends up on the outside looking in, you know being new there, so you never know what can happen.
00:27:50
Joey
um that will
00:27:59
Joey
You know, or like, you know, Kenan Allen is, is usually known for a soft tissue injury or two a season.
00:28:06
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:07
Joey
So like at that, and I mean, like, you know, you have, who, who, who, I, I think, I think you're spot on though.
00:28:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:14
Joey
Um, it's not something that I would be looking to target in Redraft. So, um, you know, for dynasty, I'm excited. I'm happy. I'm happy that he's tied to a great quarterback and hopefully a trending up offense. And if he contributes out of the gate this year, that would just kind of be a bonus.
00:28:31
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, I agree redraft on that overly excited for didn't say although there is a path and I wouldn't like write them off there.
00:28:32
Ryan
Yeah, I agree.
00:28:39
dtmr
But obviously, I don't like I'm not scared off at all. It's crazy. Cal Williams or Caleb Williams. He wanted for doing say on his team. I think they went to the draft together. So when they dropped him, he was jacked up. So like, you can tell they're already, bodyed they have like a super questionable, uh, picture together. Uh, that does make me be a kind of want to lower, uh, both of them in my rankings just because of the picture alone, but that, no, their skill is so good. But the other thing with keen now coming in, obviously, I think, you know, When he's on the field, he gets open, so he is a quarterback's best friend, but he is older. He's 32. But he's also on the last year's contract. You'd be kind of surprised if the Bears even resigned him. That's not it's not on the question, but like similar to the JSN situation with Lockett, there was an order wide receiver. They extended him.
00:29:26
dtmr
Keen Allen is better, in my opinion, than Lockett. But I don't think Allen is going to be looking to go to the Bears or Lockett to spend his career, basically, with Seahawks. So that's kind of why there's institutional reason to keep him there.
00:29:35
Ryan
you
00:29:39
dtmr
This is his first and only year with the Bears. So like I don't think Keen Allen is going to be with the Bears next year, which means next year, or doomsday, at worst, the wide receiver too on that team. So I think dynasty, it's it's still like a so a great pick to go there. And there is the chance of upside and just rookie year in redraft.
Rookies' Potential Value and Team Context
00:29:58
Joey
Yep.
00:30:00
dtmr
What about you, Joe? any Anyone you want to call out?
00:30:04
Joey
Um, a lot of the guys we've I feel like we've talked about and in the in the unideal spots. I mean, I I hate to say it like I made a mention of Malik neighbors. Let's see about Malik neighbors. You know, like I personally. ah The the reason why I didn't I wasn't more aggressive um Trying to trade up from the four spots of the three spot to acquire him and the rookie draft was just because I'm tempering my expectations of the Giants offense in the near term, but um you know, obviously We talked earlier about some of those like non-ideal landing spots in the first Let's call it seven or eight picks of the draft for like a top tier wide receiver and And I think that if Marvin Harrison was on the Giants right now and Malik neighbors was on Arizona, we hire on neighbors than we would on Harrison, at least for this season.
00:30:57
Joey
At least I would. So um i am I'm optimistic.
00:30:59
Ryan
Thanks.
00:31:02
Joey
And again, there are certainly some some nice ah highlights out there from neighbors. um I think he's fantastic. And I'm excited that he's on the Giants. um but oh I'm tempering my expectations, so I wouldn't necessarily call it a ah bad spot because that that would be, you know, tough stance to take as a Giants fan, but brighter days probably be ahead once the Giants get a better quarterback situation.
00:31:33
dtmr
Yeah. and One thing is I'll call it with neighbors. If the roles were flipped, the I feel like neighbors are the giants is actually... better than Harrison and the Giants. Because I think neighbors has the explosiveness that he can overcome bad quarterback situations, or like at least have to rip off longer plays, where Marvin Harrison, the only thing, it's not really a knock on him at all. The guy's got a pretty pretty perfect game. But he doesn't he's not a big gap guy, where neighbors is easily the most explosive wide receiver out there. And he can break off that play. So even if it's just short throws, or like you don't have a great quarterback play, i think
00:32:10
dtmr
There'll be big boom games from neighbors, despite bad quarterback play, where I don't know if you would get that from Harrison. I still think Harrison's the better overall wide receiver in general, but neighbors can make up for certain, it's not a consistent thing.
00:32:21
Ryan
you
00:32:21
Joey
Yeah.
00:32:24
dtmr
You're not gonna be like every week, neighbors can be great, because you can make it up, but there'll be games where he makes it up for, where I don't think Harrison could have. So I still like neighbors a lot, and again, if they gotta to go quarterback, I think you could easily be like a top five guy at some point in his career.
00:32:41
dtmr
one call out. I just want to throw out because ah we haven't mentioned him at all. I don't think anyone has a huge stake on him. I personally don't as Malachi poorly. The jets. He was the first pick in third round guy was the yak king in college. That's his nickname. Uh, just interested in seeing him go there. They did also, uh, the jets added Mike Williams and free agency, but who knows if he's ever healthy. So it's just someone who could maybe carve out a role I'm not really excited about but just someone that like I would just keep tabs on because maybe he could start creating Some some plays there with that that yak ability, but the one thing I want to throw out there It's just the path situation drone. It took out they took may Drake may there. They got my man. Jim poke there They also got John John Baker and the I think blue is the fourth round
00:33:27
dtmr
Um, as well. So they have a, it's a very young offense there. So I don't know. What do you think of the, the hats rookies that they got?
00:33:38
Joey
their Their wide receiver room is one of the most confusing, ah hard to explain or analyze or interpret or predict
00:33:48
dtmr
They also have like 10, so someone has to get credit.
00:33:49
Joey
It's it's yeah, it's honestly yeah, so the fact that and I mean obviously right like two of them are are rookies and I like.
00:33:51
dtmr
yeah
00:33:56
dtmr
Yeah, they're making a team.
00:33:58
Joey
And I like the thought that or I like the I'm more in on on Jalen Polk. I agree that the upside is there, but I'm not sure the path is there in the near term, given that there's like like they signed like four or five other guys that are.
00:34:05
dtmr
right
00:34:15
Joey
Have the possibility of getting on the field, so I don't I'm not entirely sure what their offense is going to look like. And Drake May, I like the player. I like the upside. I like the talent. But for fantasy, he seems likely to start the season on the bench.
00:34:38
Joey
And I'm not particularly high on the offense in general. um ah yeah
00:34:46
dtmr
Who's the best quarterback actually?
00:34:48
Joey
Uh, Jacoby Brissett.
00:34:51
dtmr
That's right Jacoby percent.
00:34:52
Joey
Yeah.
00:34:52
dtmr
I got him like everywhere.
00:34:54
Ryan
but
00:34:58
dtmr
well
00:34:58
Joey
Gross. But yeah, I mean, he's, he's, he's good enough.
00:35:00
dtmr
It's going to be a great three week stint, baby.
00:35:00
Ryan
yeah
00:35:01
dtmr
It's going to be.
00:35:02
Ryan
I mean, ah fact that the fact that we're excited about that shows yeah where the paths are at.
00:35:03
Joey
Yeah. No, I mean.
00:35:08
Ryan
so
00:35:09
dtmr
He looked pretty good. sure I'm just saying.
00:35:12
Joey
I just think for me, like I've listened to so much content about like their Enigma running back enigma at quarterback enigma wide receiver multiple tight end I'm just like I'm not even gonna I'm just gonna take this dance that I'm out on all of them and I will React once the season starts. So that's that's kind of where I'm I'm going with New England except for hunter Henry who I have on my On my dynasty team.
00:35:39
dtmr
oh that that's definitely yeah
00:35:41
Ryan
the He's the guy.
00:35:42
dtmr
aye
00:35:42
Joey
So let's let's hope that hunter Henry can retain some value, please
00:35:42
dtmr
jesus
00:35:50
dtmr
ah
00:35:51
Joey
Um, and I will say I opened up the Malachi Corley, uh, sleeper page as we were talking about him. And, uh, the first update there is that, uh, while he might've had a clear path to the number three receiver, he's now being pushed in camp for the number three role by Xavier Gibson, also on my team.
00:36:03
dtmr
Oh, that's definitely, yeah. Like, Jesus says. I did actually see that.
00:36:13
Joey
And, uh, yeah, I just want to, I just want to say Dan Dacosta at some point this year. you're going to wish you had Xavier Gibson on your squad.
NSFW Rookie Draft Breakdown
00:36:23
dtmr
Yeah, because the third bar of zero in the jets is you usable. but so Oh my god.
00:36:28
Joey
me the the He is electric and that offense is going to be good with Aaron Rodgers.
00:36:28
Ryan
There's that preseason speculation again.
00:36:38
Joey
Xavier Gibson, i mean i start I had to start him last year because things were gross and I was kind of tanking. But this year, when I'm actually trying to win matchups, I think he's going to hit my lineup a couple of times. We'll see.
00:36:49
dtmr
I hope it's a week you play me.
00:36:56
dtmr
With that, I think it's time we move to our next segment. So Joe, why don't you take it away.
00:37:01
Joey
Yes. So next segment is going to be a review of our NSFW rookie draft.
00:37:01
Ryan
Thanks.
00:37:09
Joey
Um, rookie drafts that took place, what, the first week in May?
00:37:15
dtmr
Mid-May, I think it was, yeah.
00:37:15
Joey
Yeah. First. Yeah. Early May. I think we were like potentially, uh, at a bachelor party for some of it. Yeah.
00:37:22
dtmr
Yeah, Justin Timberlake did not have a DWI yet.
00:37:23
Joey
It seems like.
00:37:25
dtmr
It was great.
00:37:25
Joey
It seems like it was a long time ago, but it wasn't that long ago. I'm just gonna go through round by round. I'll read off the picks and then I'll give some thoughts on ah some good values, um you know questionable picks that I noted, and then you guys just let me know if you have anything else to layer on. so Starting in round one, um I'm just gonna read them across. um Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison, Malik Neighbors, Jayden Daniels, Brock Bowers, surprisingly, JJ McCarthy, to Adam, Roma Dunsey, Xavier Worthy, Drake May, Brian Thomas, and then Canelo's finishing off the first round with Jonathan Brooks and Lad McConkie.
00:38:00
Ryan
you.
00:38:09
dtmr
there's Yeah, see, went back to back at Lucky Basterds.
00:38:13
Joey
Yeah, so i um I guess that's kind of what I really want to talk about. That's what I wrote down here. ah Bowers early was a ah little questionable given the fact that we talked about his landing spot on a not incredibly inspiring offense who just drafted a high ah draft capital tight end last year. But again, you know, like they're talking about using him as a wide receiver and, you know, who the hell really knows about profit?
00:38:41
dtmr
but And we are tight end premium throw that out there.
00:38:43
Joey
Yeah.
00:38:43
dtmr
So I get the bomb but yes Mm
00:38:44
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. Huge, huge question mark. I'm not really sure. Like I'm not ready to to take a dump on that pick because it very well could work out. It's just, there's definitely a little bit of risk in taking Bowers there.
00:38:53
dtmr
-hmm
00:38:58
Joey
Um, but I really do want to talk about his canals. I feel like canals with Marvin Harrison, Jonathan Brooks and lad McConkie for me. I mean, obviously Harrison, but for me to speak positively about Brooks and McConkie earlier in the pod. Um, high I'm high on both of those guys. Uh, so I feel like he, did pretty well. I'm happy ah be i'm happy that um the way things shook out, Odunze fell to me later in the first, um but I would say Canels probably. the the the
00:39:29
dtmr
Biggest winner.
00:39:29
Joey
Yeah, I'd say probably the biggest winner in the first round. That's a good way to put it.
00:39:33
dtmr
Yeah, I agree with that. Brooks has great value, I think, at 1-11 myself. I know you were mentioning it before alluding to it, Joe. Brooks could very easily be a top 10 dynasty runner. He might like finish his year, but I also like don't see a way that he slips past like the top 15 going into next year. So getting that value at the back, of the first round of thinking squared value. Because usually most years you see running backs pushed up a little bit more, so the first running back to be dropped to that weight. Pretty good value for him. And then you pair it with two top end wide receivers.
00:40:08
Ryan
Yeah. And then I just got to throw out the other team that had three picks in the first round, which was Clark sauce. You know, obviously with the the first overall pick went with Caleb Williams and then Joe touched on the Brock Bowers pick. Definitely not saying that's a bad pick either. Uh, and then with the third pick in the first round for them, they went with Drake May. And I don't think any of those picks on their own are bad picks. I just think it was an interesting first round draft for them when They already had Joe Burrow and Justin Fields, and they went with two more quarterbacks and didn't upgrade their wide receiver running back room. And and if you look at that that team, George Pickens, really right now is the top wide receiver, and Demir White is in a starting running back spot. So just interesting ah picks overall when you look at them together, and just curious to see how that plays out.
00:41:01
dtmr
Yeah. So like, I agree. Like if you look at it in each pick individually, I'm fine with the, any of those things going on. But when it comes down to like what your package that you're trying to get personally, like the, obviously the Bowers pick. I can maybe see where like, if you don't think he's going to make it to your one or nine, you really want to like level. You're tied at me. If you can get other players at the one or nine you like, I don't hate it. I think there's definitely a chance that Bowers like is a great dieter. So like, Don't hate that pick at all. I probably would have leaned on Dunes A, but it's still like, I think that's a fine pick. The May, again, I don't have an issue with it at all. But if I'm like if i'm looking at that pick knowing that I'm pretty good at quarterback and I don't need to double dip into that, I probably would have been leaning either Brian Thomas Jr. or Brooks, even giving McConkey a look as well. But again, who knows? like i
00:41:57
dtmr
I understand stand the picket, depending on how you're viewing things, like what is the most valuable asset that you think you're going to get there? It doesn't, maybe, you don't always have to look at your team. It's like, what is just the most valuable asset? If you think the quarterback is the most valuable asset that you can get there and your plan is to eventually trade or trade a quarterback, or you use that, like he they have nine, they can trade like another quarterback and get like a massive fall, then that's a great move. but that relies upon you actually making another move. So that just is the mindset you have to go into it. But I don't i don't disagree with any of the picks made there, it just becomes only a strategy issue, like how, not really an issue, kind of like strategy mentality of how they're going to be going forward throughout the year. So that's the only thing there. To me, all that insight means is that you they have to make another move, but that could actually mean a much better situation than just going with a raw stream at that point.
00:42:50
Joey
Yeah, or it might just mean, you know, like fantasy. Want to have some fun? Pat's fan excited about Drake May.
00:42:59
dtmr
that's also true we also were let's be real we were kind of pushing that pick on that uh so yes we need some context of what was going on in early chat when that pick was up we were pushing that we yeah
00:43:00
Joey
Just just figure like. Yeah, like, fuck it, let's just have Drake May on the team.
00:43:04
Ryan
yeah We knew that picked this comment.
00:43:07
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I support too, right? Like it's not like redraft where you're going to have this guy on your roster for like four months. He might get hurt and you end up dropping him after five days, but. like Dynasty, especially Superflex, like if it may hits, he'll be, you know, like a starter for you for hopefully the next like 10 or 12 years. So yeah.
00:43:26
dtmr
Because if Mei hits and Caleb hits and you have Burrow too, and you could you could then trade, like say you trade Burrow, you could get like an insane haul.
00:43:32
Ryan
Trade for a halt, eh?
00:43:34
dtmr
So like there's a scenario where they they set them up for like ah a great situation in the future. Just, that's the only move. It's like you're going, you're you're like, all right, we're making that bet that way. Hopefully this hits and we can get like, and there's, it's an upside play basically, but you just gotta to be making the willingness to trade, which they've kind of shown me the ability to do.
00:43:53
Joey
Yeah, and then they let off the second round ah with Trey Benson at the running back position. Another pick that I actually like. um After Trey Benson, it was Bo Nicks, Keon Coleman to Schluter, Ricky Pearsall, Xavier Liguette, who we talked about earlier, Blake Corum, Adam completed the Michigan ah duo with his first two picks, ah Roman Wilson, another Michigan alum, Devontes Walker, Adonai Mitchell, Jalen Wright, Jalen Polk,
00:44:12
dtmr
Yes, he did.
00:44:22
Joey
and Marshawn Lloyd. um For me, I wanted to highlight two players in this round. Jalen Polk, we talked about him earlier. I think there's probably um some upside there. There's been some buzz. I think he's a good receiver and it's just going to be a situation where we'll see what the Pats offense looks like. See who actually makes the roster at the wide receiver. There's a lot of questions there. I wouldn't go anywhere near him for any redraft, but in terms of and terms of a good wide receiver dart throw, I think there's there's some upside there.
00:44:54
dtmr
Definitely not.
00:45:02
Joey
And then ah Blake Horem, another um precursor to a harder hard players to value for me right now, one of which is Kyron Williams. um I like the value ah for Blake Horem there, given that You know, kyman kind of burst on the seam last year. He has shown a lack of ability to stay healthy. He's quite small and fragile. He's great when he's on the field, but he got hurt like four times last year. He was already banged up in camp this year, so. Or going into camp, he like has what he did. He had a hamstring at something earlier on this year. um I know that the Rams offense is one where um they don't really.
00:45:51
Joey
historically, ah Go Committee. um I think that I like the idea of having somebody like Blake Horem who could see the field of Kyron gets hurt. And then if he sees the field and he scores a bunch of touchdowns and he makes um is makes good on his opportunity, then it could be a pretty quick shift there. So those are the guys that I would mention in in round two.
00:46:16
Ryan
Yeah, and I gotta agree with Coram even though I'm a Kyron Williams owner. It's scary because we've seen in the past that they'll move on from a running back real quick as well. So like you said, Kyron's been hurt a lot. All it takes is one more injury this year. Coram gets some starts and the next thing you know, Kyron's out the door and Coram's the guy. So that definitely could be a really valuable pick in the middle of the second round.
00:46:40
dtmr
Yeah. And honestly, it's funny cause like I was going into traffic in general, not really high on quorum, but like now that I'm like, it's kind of nice. We're doing this pod so much after the draft. Cause I feel like it's like, like everything marinate a little bit more. Obviously we've got some, we've dropped it.
00:46:53
Joey
yeah
00:46:54
dtmr
Like I've risen on quorum as well a bit because one thing they've said to the reason they went for him is they remind him a lot of hiring.
00:46:56
Ryan
Okay.
00:47:03
dtmr
Like that's the thing. It's like, we can just get like a cheaper version of them. They're just going to turn through a running backs. So like there will eventually be a change of the guard which is why it gives me more confidence in quorum what we're talking about is like the chance of it happening this year, but Which we don't know if that's gonna happen, but it feels like it's a pretty safe bet.
00:47:14
Joey
Thanks.
00:47:21
dtmr
It's gonna happen at some point So like that's why like I have more confidence in the quorum pick It's like it may not be this year, but there's a good chance it could be next year So and if it is next year like he's probably a top ten running back You're getting pretty late Obviously I made the Polk pick, I traded up and get him. I just, in general, I just went throw i just feel like he's just so undervalued in just rookie drives in general. Like he's false at the third round in a lot of... Lot of rookie dress and again. He had like incredible draft capitals and usually why like I will I typically want to bet on draft capital and the fact that he got that that's I think he's a good player but he got that's a This is more of like if you haven't done a rookie draft, which is like pretty rare at this point But if you have it just keep an eye on him because he's fallen a little bit later that I think he should I know we talked about the pier so but really I want to just talk about the pier so we'll get combination there um because
00:48:16
Joey
Yeah.
00:48:17
dtmr
I was drafting right after Joey and those are the little of the two players I was looking at. Um, and I was deciding between the two and those are completely two different situations. Pure soul, uh, pretty solid, uh, a pretty refined route runner. Uh, it gets a lot of separation. Um, and he ends up in a, a great offense, but like a hard depth chart. So like you're, you're expecting not a ton this year, but maybe like there's upside later on and we get where. We've talked about late breakout age, but the guy is just so physically imposing. And I could see basically in the short area throws that Bryce Young is going to probably be living in, that Legette can take a lot of things to the house, hopefully. But you're hoping that he breaks it early and he has a better chance to do something this year. And it's really just like ah how you're constructing your roster. It's like do you want the, you're trying for this year and you want that upside shot, you go Legette.
00:49:14
dtmr
But if you want someone who has like more outside but you know you have to wait, I think it's Pearsall. So like, I like, I don't mind either picks, but they're completely different on like the mentality where you're trying to go for those for drafts. So Joe, thanks for making that choice for me. Cause I wasn't sure what I was going on that pick. Although i I have tried to trade for Pearsall so I could have the best of both worlds. It hasn't worked out, but yeah.
00:49:35
Ryan
Thank
00:49:38
Joey
All right, moving on to round three, um' starting off with another New England receiver, Jevon Baker, to the Clarks.
00:49:40
Ryan
you.
00:49:47
dtmr
Yes.
00:49:48
Joey
Ben Sennett, the aforementioned Michael Penix, Malachi Corley, Troy Franklin, Bucky Irving, Natavian Sanders, Jermaine Burton, to Harry, who would later be traded to Dave, Jalen McMillan, Ray Davis, Theo Johnson, and Brendan Rice. um Yeah, the one that I wanted to mention there was Jermaine Burton. I think ah that was good value for Burton late in the third round or middle of the third round in an offensive race tied to Joe Burrow, hopefully for several years. And there could potentially be depth chart openings, ah depending on the T Higgins um situation, how that
00:50:32
Joey
kind of resolves, ah I think the likelihood that he, this is his last season in Cincinnati or he's traded even before the season ends are the highly likely scenarios there. um Yeah. ah I mean, in Harry's situation, right? They had, been they got good value um in the third round with Burton and then um traded him, turned him into ah good assets on the team.
00:50:59
Ryan
you
00:51:00
Joey
What was the return there in that, and that
00:51:02
dtmr
Javon Williams and they actually got my third round pick which is right after Britain, John McMillan in there as well.
00:51:08
Joey
Okay.
00:51:09
dtmr
So like they, I actually want to commend Harry and Dan.
00:51:11
Joey
Cool. I'm actually so here.
00:51:14
dtmr
Their third round, they didn't have a pick in the first two rounds. Their third round, they got Michael Penix, Jermaine Burton and Troy Franklin. These guys in most drafts are going far earlier. They got They got like incredible value in all three. I was like, I was trying to trade out for Jermaine Burton for like eight picks. And no one but Jermaine, I'm trying to get up for it. And they got them obviously to pick right before me. And then I had an overpaid
Exploring Later Round Draft Picks
00:51:40
dtmr
post draft. They tried to get Jermaine Burton on my team. But yeah, they did they did great there. But yeah, I just wanted to call that out. Like the whole package that they got in third round was incredible.
00:51:51
Ryan
Yeah, I feel like we got to talk about Penix, right? Because he was, in terms of sleeper rankings, at the top for, I feel like it was a lot of picks, and he just kept sliding. And we didn't have a pick in the third round, so we were curious to see where he ended up.
00:52:03
dtmr
Thank you.
00:52:05
Ryan
And I know that Dan, and ah dan at least, was interested in even trying to trade up into the second round for him, because he didn't think he'd make it to the third. So obviously, it was great value there. um And yeah, know they definitely did well.
00:52:22
Joey
Yeah, I agree. And we'll talk about them doing well again. um Not in the fourth round, but into the fifth. So in the fourth, start off with Luke McCaffrey, Kamani Vidal, Braylon Allen, Will Shipley, Jared Wiley, Audric Estimรฉ, Jacob Crow, Cowing. Cowing? Cowing? How do we pronounce that?
00:52:44
dtmr
ah We can just move on. I have no idea.
00:52:44
Ryan
ah so I'd say Cowan.
00:52:45
Joey
yeah
00:52:45
dtmr
um
00:52:46
Joey
yeah i think im probably
00:52:47
Ryan
I don't think we're going to be talking about him again.
00:52:48
Joey
I'm pretty sure it's Cowan. He's on San Francisco. Eric All, Tyrone Tracy, Rashina Lee, Malik Washington, and Isaac Arendo.
00:52:52
dtmr
yeah
00:52:59
Joey
So round four, we're obviously not going to be talking about Jacob Cowan, but we are going to be talking about we are going to be talking about ah Jared Wiley, who ah is a tight end on Kansas City, who has been getting um
00:53:14
dtmr
A lot of buzz.
00:53:15
Joey
A little bit of buzz, yeah. and ah yeah i just
00:53:22
Joey
it's You're not sure what you're going to get from ah from a fantasy perspective with Travis Kelsey moving forward. He has a lot of things happening in his life and he's on the older side and the Chiefs are probably looking to preserve his
00:53:33
dtmr
He's on the errors tour these days.
00:53:35
Joey
yeah he's his head
00:53:36
Ryan
It's got better things to do.
00:53:38
dtmr
Yeah.
00:53:38
Joey
I the ballers I yeah i don't i remember if it was the the regular pot or this or the um dynasty pod um gave ah like a five season trend of ah Travis Kelsey's snap percentage over the last like I said, yeah, like five years and it's like 90 something 90 something 80. 8170 you know it's just like it's it's steadily trending and it's gonna keep trending in that direction right they just he just signed off for another two years obviously they want to preserve him as much as they possibly can so there's opportunity there they've had a couple like note the Noah Grays of the world that have been on their team at the tight end position I mean they've been serviceable they've been fine they've you know Patrick Mahomes their way into ah some usability here and there but could be could be something there with
00:54:02
dtmr
Mm hmm.
00:54:30
Joey
with Jared Wiley. um And then also I'll pat myself on the back. um It but wasn't particularly savvy in the moment, I don't think, but Roshin Ali on Baltimore. um um I'm excited about the position that he is in just given the opportunity he might have.
00:54:51
dtmr
you
00:54:52
Joey
ah with the Gus bus being out the door and I mean obviously King Henry coming in is going to usurp a lot of um running back
00:55:06
Joey
volume for them. But I just think that there's the possibility. ah Keaton Mitchell still is still working his way back from and a late season ACL injury. I just kind of feel like Rashina Lee could potentially be our second or third on the depth chart heading into the season. So to get ah you know a late round running back who you know could make his way onto the field, that's basically all you can hope for.
00:55:33
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, uh, yeah, I like the, I like, uh, I'll leap pick.
00:55:33
Joey
Any other thoughts on round four? I mean, yeah.
00:55:39
dtmr
I just want to reiterate that, um, uh, as well. I think that was good value. He was definitely starved for me at that point. Um, and like he is, I mean, last year, uh, was it Tajjal's, uh, Spears was getting like 50% snaps with Henry as well. I don't think it'll be 50 50 obviously in Baltimore.
00:55:56
Joey
Right.
00:55:59
dtmr
they They got him for a reason, but. I don't think they're going to be doing 100% Henry. And I don't think there's really anyone on the depth chart to challenge behind Henry for always. So he's definitely going to get touches. If we're going to pat ourselves on the back, I kind of want to pat myself on the back too, Tyrone Tracy in the fourth round.
00:56:15
Joey
Thank you.
00:56:15
dtmr
Part of that, if you're a Giants fan, you know, you search for him. And I had a few people text me right after I made in our league right after I made that traffic. I don't know what was going on with sleeper. I don't know if it's been changed. His ADP for some reason was like 999, which means he's not being drafted, which was like natural. I don't know why that was happening. So if you're, when you're drafting, you, he would not show up on your screen. So I actually thought about him in third round and realize like, yeah, he's not showing up on the ADP thing. So maybe people were over overlooking him. So I started him and hopefully I could get him in the fourth round.
00:56:51
dtmr
It paid off and just got there, but everyone else was thinking the same thing. Hopefully they could get him in the fifth round. This is more of just a call out if you, again, have not drafted yet. If his ADP has not changed and sleeper, use that to your advantage. You have to search for him if you want to get him. And he has a clear, clear role to getting on the field. So, um, in the fourth round, it's very hard to get a running back. You can actually get them to go there.
00:57:16
Ryan
Well, if we're all patting ourselves on the back, no I'm kidding.
00:57:18
Joey
yeah
00:57:19
dtmr
Do it, Ry. Do it. Screw everybody else in this league. It's just us.
00:57:22
Ryan
I'm kidding. Now, we literally just wanted to take a flyer on a tight end because we are desperate at the tight end position.
00:57:26
dtmr
All right.
00:57:29
Ryan
So there's and there's no pat needed it on the back for that pick.
00:57:34
Joey
I think I had Eric all start at the time, so um maybe you taking him resulted in Rashina Lee making his way out to my squad. So I'll pat you on the back for that one.
00:57:44
Ryan
hi There you go.
00:57:46
Joey
um
00:57:47
dtmr
A three in a row, by the way, I just wanted to say that was incredible, incredible run.
00:57:53
Joey
Uh, and then round five, um, not much to talk about here. Frank or Spencer Rattler, who actually, you know, getting a quarterback in this round, who's only behind their car on the depth chart is could do a lot worse.
00:58:01
dtmr
yeah
00:58:06
Joey
Uh, Dylan Lauby will put a bookmark there. We'll come back to him.
00:58:09
dtmr
and
00:58:10
Joey
Kate Stover, Jason McClellan, Jamari Thrash, Jaheem Bell, Cody Schrader, Tip Reeman, Jordan Travis, speaking of late quarterbacks, Johnny Wilson and Michael Pratt. Uh, yeah, so Dylan Albee, uh, I, I, I've been hearing his name more and more. Um, I personally am not a huge Zameer white believer.
00:58:28
dtmr
Alright.
00:58:34
Joey
I think a lot of the hype that Zameer white is getting right now is strictly based on like, well, who else is going to get, uh, carries in their offense?
00:58:41
dtmr
Josh
00:58:42
Joey
I mean, he was all right last year and in the, in the opportunities that he had to fill in for, uh,
00:58:51
Joey
Help me.
00:58:51
dtmr
Jacobs.
00:58:52
Joey
Josh Jacobs, thank you.
00:58:52
Ryan
Take it.
00:58:54
Joey
And, but again, like similar to Jacobs, right? Like that was, that was more of a ah volume situation. And, uh, so Dylan Albee is, uh, out of New Hampshire, uh, pass catching, um, you know, interesting running back. ah He has a lot of speed. He has a lot of pass catching ability. Like I mentioned, i I get the feeling that there is the possibility. ah He's projected to make the roster at this point.
00:59:24
Joey
And yeah, I just I mean again, right? Like what you're all you're looking for in these late rounds is is just like a. a Yeah, and it seems like I mean, yeah, I I would be I'd be happy holding that.
00:59:31
dtmr
Path of playing time.
00:59:40
Joey
um lottery ticket if I had just um acquired the corpse of Javante Williams via trade. So I think I'm going to go ahead and give Harry and Dan that nice backhanded compliment right there.
00:59:56
dtmr
Yeah. i I'm going to kind of lean and give them more of a, I guess, a front-handed compliment. I don't really know what that, the term is here, but they, they traded away the 103 intentionally because they, uh, have the scars of the brush pickup last year where they like don't
Draft Strategy Reflections
01:00:14
dtmr
want to draft early. They they don't trust themselves for soda didn't have a pick in the first two rounds. I actually thought they made some incredible picks in general. They did like, they got value across the board after that. So they.
01:00:27
Joey
yeah
01:00:27
dtmr
certainly didn't draft like they got like Players who should have gone earlier. So I thought it was pretty impressive One question. This is just I want to get you guys is depending on it It's all selfish question to Raymond now, you know third round tight end third tight end off the board obstacle to the cards There's a there's the guy in front of them But like what do you guys thought to get a highly drafted tight end in the fifth round and a tight on premium lead?
01:00:52
Joey
Yeah?
01:00:52
dtmr
What do you think?
01:00:55
Joey
I'll tell you what.
01:00:58
dtmr
yeah
01:00:59
Joey
I'm a little I'm I'm.
01:01:04
Joey
I'm cautiously optimistic about all the buzz that that trade McBride is getting.
01:01:08
dtmr
Can't wait.
01:01:08
Joey
um I'm I'm excited about it.
01:01:09
dtmr
Yeah.
01:01:10
Joey
It certainly makes me very happy. But let's let's let's see it happen. Uh, a little bit.
01:01:16
dtmr
Because if he gets hurt, and I got a tip for you, Joe.
01:01:18
Joey
This year or or it's like.
01:01:20
dtmr
I got a tip for you.
01:01:23
Joey
So I'll I'll I'll be a little more demonstrative in my mockery of Tip Riemann once. ah Trey McBride proved that last year was not a fluke.
01:01:31
dtmr
dominate
01:01:37
dtmr
Dominates Yeah, it's a it's all Hail Mary's let's be real we're gonna cut these guys in here anyway But yeah, I mean overalls fun draft that that I mean that's the best part of the dynasties just the draft part it's just so much fun really build up for it, but
01:01:38
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's nothing else.
01:01:40
Joey
It's the fifth round. There's not really much.
01:01:44
Joey
yeah
01:01:47
Joey
yeah
01:01:57
dtmr
With that, the only thing left now, oftentimes, is trading. And with that, we're gonna move to the next segment. And it's it's a question I gotta pose to the boys here. Who are some of the hardest players for you to value right now? Because to me, when there's hard players to value there, it could be opportunity, could be, because other players could be wavering on these players, so you maybe could get them by low, but they also could be players that you don't know if you believe in, so maybe they're guys you wanna get out from. Just posing a question out here so for our listeners to kind of think like, where do I land on this player? So who are some players that you think are hard to value?
01:02:34
Ryan
Yeah, so I'll throw out ah a big one to think about here. And we touched on the Panthers a little bit earlier. But Bryce Young, you know, there's pretty much nothing you can say about last year that will make you feel good about drafting him. So we kind of need to look at the narrative going forward. ah They have a new coach in Dave Canales. And if you remember Geno Smith from earlier,
01:02:57
dtmr
Okay.
01:03:02
Ryan
He was the offensive coordinator there. And if you remember the resurgence of Baker Mayfield last year, he was pulling the strings for the quarterback there. And now he is the coach for Bryce Young. So Bryce Young maybe becomes his new project. ah You know, he does have a Wolfall offensive line, but There could be a light at the end of the tunnel. They also did sign Johnson, who is one of the better route runner wide receivers in the game. That should help the receiving corps from last season. ah They also did draft Laguette, as we've talked about a ton. um you know And we've heard your thoughts on him. So if he steps in and helps Johnson, um you know he could have some solid wide receivers. They also drafted Johnson Brooks, who we've talked about a lot in the backfield. so
01:03:55
Ryan
There's a lot of youth there, a lot of young talent. And if it does work out, Bryce Young could have a bit of a resurgence in year two and ah maybe he turns the corner. So I feel like he's someone that's kind of hard to value. If you believe in the story and you believe he could turn it around, you might value him a lot higher than someone that is solely valuing him based on last year.
01:04:17
Joey
Yeah, I don't disagree. I actually.
01:04:24
Joey
I remember trying to acquire Bryce Young from ah Team Harry and Dan, ah you know, mid to end of last season before the deadline, before the Dave Canales situation, obviously, which is an off season change that they made ah to the coaching staff. Just thinking that, you know, things couldn't possibly get any worse than they were for the for his situation. in his rookie year and maybe just maybe that was not um the best um view of his at you know NFL potential.
01:04:47
Ryan
you
01:04:56
Joey
I think he his his rookie year often gets comped to ah Trevor Lawrence's who again, like highly draft capital and you know was just like in a shit show of a situation with
01:05:10
dtmr
The highest.
01:05:14
Joey
Urban Meyer and terrible offensive line and terrible offense and you know just not not like had no no prayer of succeeding. so um And not that you know Trevor Lawrence has turned into a super valuable fantasy asset. Since then, he's still a a decent fantasy asset, right? Like at this point, Bryce Young, if he were to turn into what Trevor Lawrence is right now, you would be absolutely positively ecstatic. So ah there's a definite range of outcomes, I would say. It's probably the most likely that he continues to do exactly what he did last year, but I'm excited to see if he can turn it around and become something.
01:06:00
Joey
usable from a ah um a fantasy standpoint.
01:06:00
dtmr
Yeah, i I think he's a perfect shoot your shot at a bylaw. I breathe lead that I'm in that he's in. I've just thrown offers that if I could get him on the cheap, I would love that because I don't, I think he'll be better. It's kind of where I'm at. Like, I don't think he he'll be worse. I don't think it's possible. I think he'll be better. again I don't think it's possible to be worse.
01:06:22
Ryan
He really can't be worse, so he will be better.
01:06:25
Joey
Definitely not possible for viewers.
01:06:26
dtmr
But like, but some people are viewing it that it's just, you're gonna be more of the same. And I don't think it will be. I think it will be better. They got a, a better line. And that was a big issue. Like he was like, literally like he had no protection at all. He had no weapons anywhere on the field at all. Like, do you guys remember Jonathan Mingo? That was the guy. That was like the guy that was supposed to be it for them. No, they want the old man feelings. They, Laguette, say what you will. He's better than Mingo. Like he, like he's the least,
01:06:56
Joey
Hopefully, yeah.
01:06:57
dtmr
He's more physically imposing than Mango, at the very least.
01:06:59
Joey
Yes.
01:06:59
dtmr
He can take his screen more further than Mango can take it. And they got Deante Johnson, like it gets overlooked, who gets open. So like he had, and like, especially if like your, ah your O-line can't do anything, Deante Johnson is a great wide receiver for that because he can catch a pass five yards out like a hundred times. So I think he will have a better year than last year. So I think he's a good player to get. The issue is, if you're a Bryce young owner, you got to just have to hold. And that's kind of where I've been at with every owner that I've gone to talk to. There's just like, there's like no point in me selling this at this point. I'm going to might as well hold. And it's kind of where it's like, you're not really going to acquire him because you don't want to pay more than what he's worth.
01:07:41
dtmr
but if you own them, you can't really get rid of them because like what's the point? like You're not gonna gain anything. so But I agree, it's a hard one to value. of because And not someone that I've seen many trades actually happy with lately.
01:07:55
Joey
Yeah, so i'll ah I'll throw out a couple names, the two that I've mentioned previously on this pod, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Kyron Williams. Marvin Harrison Jr., just tough to value because his value right now is a first-round dynasty startup pick and a late first early second round uh... redraft pick and for that reason i will probably not have him on any of my teams this year i cannot possibly see myself using a first-round late first or early second maybe early second actually but he's not going in the early second it's more of a late first if you really want him
01:08:33
Joey
um pick on Marvin Harrison junior and that's why it's just it's hard for me to value because I haven't really seen it and who knows what the team in the offense is going to look like and Kyron talked about earlier right like getting a lot of love right now he's going in the second round I looked at um dynasty startup ADP for this tough players to value exercise ah his ADP in dynasty startups right now is 18 which again is just like um It's a little rich for my blood. I just i worry a little bit about, um like Ryan said earlier, how quickly ah that Rams team can move on to the next warm body yeah running back, and especially somebody there like Blake Quorum, who has a ah really solid college couch career behind him and built the same way. I worry a little bit about Kyron. So tough to value him, especially because he was like literally the MVP of fantasy last year and somebody who I'm um
01:09:31
Joey
on the record of absolutely loving. I just feel like it's hard to, it's hard to say what his go forward value is gonna be.
01:09:37
dtmr
I want to give you just get credit on the record. lot You made the greatest, saddest trade in all of dynasty history last year because that trade is a mere white for Kyron Williams on that cause. Incredible.
01:09:49
Joey
And it also kind of feels like ah maybe I'm maybe um and like all kidding aside, right? I just kind of like said a little bit that I was out on Zameer White. And I wonder if like there's just like a subconscious bias that's going on there where I just want to like keep riding the success of that one take that that Kyron was better than Zameer.
01:10:10
Ryan
yeah
01:10:13
Joey
And if Zameer White ends up turning in like a great season this year, it's just going to make that trade team.
01:10:17
dtmr
Wouldn't even matter. I don't do what we have to do for that trade to be a loss at this point. That was an unbelievable Yeah on on rail Yeah Yeah
01:10:22
Joey
It wouldn't be a loss, but yeah, yeah. i I don't know if there's like some subconscious bias going on there. But either way, look, I hope I have Kyron in a couple of places. I hope that he keeps it going. I like him. I just it's hard for me to be in on him at his current value. I'll let you mention Jonathan Taylor because I really um ah read through some of your notes in the show, Doc, and you really framed it up.
01:10:48
Ryan
Okay.
01:10:52
Joey
pretty much exactly in line with my thoughts there. But he was going to definitely be somebody that I mentioned. So pass on that one.
01:10:58
dtmr
Yeah, I'll jump.
01:10:59
Joey
And then I'm just going to mention ah real quick. I'm just going to mention Justin Herbert as the last one for me that I have on the list just because, you know.
01:11:01
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:06
dtmr
He's got no one to throw at.
01:11:07
Joey
Yeah, I mean, the pendulum has swung probably swung a little too far to the
01:11:08
dtmr
And offense change too, yeah.
01:11:14
Joey
ah Kicking the Chargers passing offense to the curb. That's why I think like lad McConkie is probably a little more valuable right now, but um yeah, just throwing out Justin Herbert as it's it's impossible to value because he's an incredible quarterback, but there's.
01:11:20
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
01:11:30
Joey
You know, there's common theme here, right? New offenses, new, uh, like rookies, new coaches. It's tough to, uh, to value these guys in redraft, but especially for dynasty. But yeah, Jonathan Taylor.
01:11:44
dtmr
Yeah, I'll jump in.
01:11:44
Joey
Um, yeah.
01:11:45
dtmr
So of it so like I have two guys. they're They're pretty elite guys. So they may seem a little spicy of why I'm even doubting it. But yeah, I'm glad that I have some support, Josh. Thank you. At least I'm one of them. Jonathan Taylor. like He's currently viewed as like a top seven dynasty running back. But like the fat the last two seasons, he finishes the RB 33. And the biggest reason for that is Ben injury, of course.
01:12:12
dtmr
And like on a per game basis, uh, last year, like he was a very strong running back, but he still missed even after that, like another three games due to injury during that stretch. And he's 25, not old, but it's not young either for the running back position.
01:12:24
Joey
you
01:12:28
dtmr
26, 27 is when you start getting worried about it. You're running back in dynasty. So next year he's going to be 26. You start getting concerned about it. Um, and he didn't play last year with Anthony Richardson at all. Anthony Richardson played like two and a half weeks or a week and a half. Um, and like we saw a Zach Moss last year in Jonathan Taylor's absence dominate, but the one game that he actually played with Anthony Richardson. So like Zach Moss was the actual starter and Anthony Richardson played more than like 90% of snaps. That was the only down game for Zach Moss. He was the RB21 that game. So Zach Moss dominated except when he played with Anthony Richardson because Anthony Richardson is going to be running a ton and takes a lot of those touchdowns are right away.
01:13:10
dtmr
And Jonathan Taylor, he did sign like you're like, Oh, but he has a contract. He signed a three year, $42 million dollars extension after the holdout and everything going on there to kick him through 2020, uh, 2026. But actually after next season, they can cut them like, uh, not actually in two seasons. So like next season could be his last season. Cause after that, it's like a 2.5 million debt debt cap. So again, ne going into into next season, he's going to be 26 and he could be on a kind contract year potentially. So like, I'm getting even more skittish then, especially if he has a down year from that. So, and again, I mentioned he's going as a top seven dynasty running back, probably like top five redraft.
01:13:48
dtmr
running back, he has to do that to maintain his value. If he does not finish as a top seven or at least top 10 running back this year, he's not maintaining his APP and he's going to lose value going to next year. And I do think it's a, it's a tall task for him to to actually come through on that. Like a lot of people look at his end of season stats last year and he's going to be top 10 back and like he definitely can. And this is why I'm not positive on it and why I'm not hard about it because he can dominate and I could be, look like a complete idiot here. He could crush things and still be a tough run of that. But I do see a pretty real path where he like if he doesn't do that, he's going to be like a top 20 back maybe next year. So like there's very few backs where if they have a down year, they lose a ton of value. But Jonathan Taylor, in my opinion, is someone, if he doesn't show up this year, that would be three years now in a row that he didn't follow through on his ADP.
01:14:42
dtmr
he's getting older he's gonna be potentially in a contract year and in an office that's led by a running quarterback so i get it gets a little skittish for me so this is some more like if i could treat him and get at least equal value back in a running back position i probably do it work. I get a player who I feel more comfortable going forward.
01:14:59
Ryan
you
01:15:01
dtmr
And and this is kind of what you want with the hardest players of value. If you have a player that you're not sure, let me give someone who I feel a little bit confident to a similar value. But I also look like identity like um Jonathan Taylor could actually dominate. So this is why he's in this section. The other player for me, I'm just going to throw this out to as elite players, AJ Brown.
Wide Receiver Comparisons: AJ Brown and Others
01:15:21
dtmr
And this one is like, we've all talked about it's a tale of two seasons for Asia Brown, the first like half of the season. He was a top 12 quarter wide receiver of literally every single week through week nine basically dominated but after the bye.
01:15:37
dtmr
He was never top 12 wide receiver. He was only top 24 twice during that time. And he still finishes the wide receiver seven. But if you look at that, like if you had won AJ Brown on your team, you probably didn't win a championship last year because of what they played. And he did get re-signed extension, but they also extended the number two wide receiver on the team, Devonta Smith. And when you look at the splits, usually both wide receivers don't dominate at the same time. It's like a flip of the coin. Who's going to be the guy that time? And part of it is because of the way that offense runs with the quarterback, Jalen Hurts is not a good passer. He's a good dan's ah fantasy running, excuse me, fantasy quarterback because of his running capabilities, but he kind of sucks at passing. He's never, never eclipsed 3900.
01:16:24
dtmr
uh 3,900 passing yards ever he doesn't really throw that many touchdowns so like it's all efficiency with him he's he has to be ready for him it's running touchdowns in but that does not help their wide receiver so usually he's not going to support two good wide receivers in the same game um and as Devonta Smith continues to progress I'm getting more and more concerned about AJ Brown's Ability to be a consistent high-end wide share i still think he's gonna be great. He's under seats That's to be good But when you're drafting a wide receiver in the top seven or eight you're expecting week in and week out consistency there And again, this is gonna be something stupid because we saw on a wet like was it a seven-week stretch to begin the year? One of the greatest runs of a wide receiver ever so he can clearly do it And he could again make me look like he made but this is somewhere. where I'm like, I'm a I have a hard time like is he really a
01:17:15
dtmr
the Top-top elite like he's a very strong.
01:17:17
Ryan
you
01:17:18
dtmr
I was able to see Lee and This is someone who I'm still having a hard time diving like do I value him in the same view is like a tear down like he's the Garrett Wilson's or Or a lavas or is he in the CD lands or is he saw a tear down? Is he closer to Drake London? I'm not sure I have a hard time figuring him out I don't know if you guys what do you guys think of that? These are spicy cakes or for you
01:17:38
Joey
um Opinions on both. Jonathan Taylor agreed. ah I think the biggest question for me with Taylor is just the Richardson effect. um But again, if he stays healthy, the times that he's been healthy and out there and not holding out and not injured, you know, like he's been great and. um I think it's more likely than not that both he and. um Let's put it this way between Jonathan Taylor and AJ Brown, I'm more confident that. ah I'm more confident in AJ Brown's value than I am in Jonathan Taylor's value.
01:18:12
dtmr
I agree. I don't think AJ Brown's value can plummet as far as Jonathan Taylor's skin.
01:18:16
Joey
Yeah, and I mean, I don't like, I think i think that we're, dis I think you're discounting a little bit the AJ Brown's like hit like career numbers and production, like his output in 2023, his output in 2022, his output in 2021, like he's been, It's been several years, basically since he came into the league, but especially since he came to Philadelphia, where he's been a top five, top 10 wide receiver.
01:18:48
dtmr
I agree. the The reason why I'm getting more concerned is Devonta Smith is growing more into his own. Those years, earlier years, he was early. It was a rookie and then a sophomore year. And then last year was the third year, I don't believe. And then they, this, he's going to his fourth year and he's on extension.
01:19:03
Ryan
I think he got to talk about hurts there too.
01:19:04
dtmr
So like it's about the Smith grows more. It hurts AJ Brown. That's why I'm concerned.
01:19:09
Joey
Maybe, maybe, maybe, I don't know.
01:19:11
dtmr
Hurts doesn't throw enough. that's like the only if there If you had a stronger quarterback who passed, I wouldn't be concerned.
01:19:13
Ryan
but yeah
01:19:16
dtmr
But Hurts is not a quarterback who does it.
01:19:17
Joey
Yeah.
01:19:18
Ryan
That's what I think it comes down to. So I completely agree with both of you on Jonathan Taylor, AJ Brown. I'm more on Joe's side in that I think the value is there. I think if anything, it is a Hertz issue more than really an AJ Brown issue, which obviously affects him, but ah he just doesn't throw it as much. And if he was connected to a different quarterback, it probably wouldn't be as much of an issue. And obviously Hertz has always ran in a bunch of touchdowns. so I don't think A.J. Brown's value drops too much, but he could have some down weeks with Smith there and with Hertz being sometimes more of a running quarterback for sure.
01:19:55
dtmr
Yeah, and I agree, I think, I don't think he drops too far, but I don't think he, I think he drops a tier maybe or two. That's the only thing.
01:20:04
Joey
Possibly, possibly.
01:20:04
dtmr
Yeah.
01:20:05
Joey
even Even at the end of last season, though, weeks, let's say 12 through 16.
01:20:11
dtmr
Also, I could look like in any of these days, which is why this is the section of, I don't know how to value these days.
01:20:15
Joey
No, no, no. um Like, you know, nine targets.
01:20:16
dtmr
i want I want everyone else to remember, this is not, I think these are bad players. These are ones that like ads these are my of how things can go wrong.
01:20:21
Joey
Yeah.
01:20:21
Ryan
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
01:20:26
dtmr
They obviously can be amazing.
01:20:27
Joey
Yeah, so early season, right?
01:20:27
Ryan
Yeah. know
01:20:29
Joey
Early season, AJ Brown, we talked about he was dominant. um his targets weeks one through nine, let's say 10, six, 14, 13, eight, nine, 15, eight, nine. So like roughly 10 targets a game. And then ah week 11 against KC four, man. But then so week 12 to week 17, which is like, you know, the shitty part of the season for him still nine, 13, 13, 10, 11.
01:20:49
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
01:20:59
Joey
So the target volume was still there. Um,
01:21:01
dtmr
The chillin' hurts sucks at the road.
01:21:04
Joey
The whole offense for Philly was a little bit weird in the back half of last season.
01:21:08
dtmr
Mm.
01:21:09
Ryan
Yeah.
01:21:09
Joey
Yeah, I mean, look, I get it and I'm not totally disagreeing it. I'm just this is my this is this is the.
01:21:16
dtmr
i'm not trying to I'm not trying to buy you into him sucking, by the way.
01:21:19
Joey
Yeah, no, this is kind of my case for why I while I while I believe it while while I don't like disagree entirely with your case, why I lean more towards him.
01:21:20
dtmr
Yeah, yeah,
01:21:30
dtmr
That makes sense.
01:21:32
Joey
rich retaining his exact value. And I mean, look, we like you said, right? Like, we're not talking about a, ah even if he does slip, right? Like maybe it's a tier or two, but right now I would still kind of, I would still have him in the top tier. I think he's i think he's appropriatelyly appropriately ranked at this point. I would significantly rather have AJ Brown than a lot of other wide receivers who are being drafted in Dynasty startups very soon after him, right?
01:22:02
Joey
So here, let's look. Dynasty startup rankings, wide receiver, AJ Brown. So the way the ballers have it, consensus rankings. AJ Brown is six right behind Marvin Harrison Jr. To me, it's a it's a legitimate toss up. If I'd rather have AJ Brown or Marvin Harrison, I'd probably rather have ah Marvin Harrison.
01:22:24
dtmr
I'd go Marvin Harrison.
01:22:25
Joey
But is just because he's the the new hot mess, yeah.
01:22:26
Ryan
yeah i would too you gotta go for the upside there
01:22:27
dtmr
Yeah.
01:22:29
Ryan
yeah
01:22:29
dtmr
Also, it's just for for fun.
01:22:30
Joey
But still, it's
01:22:32
Ryan
yeah
01:22:32
Joey
It's tough. Yeah, yeah. But then AJ versus Puka is an easy AJ.
01:22:34
dtmr
Thing is, I think Pooka and Garrett have higher ceilings though.
01:22:38
Joey
AJ versus Garrett is an easy AJ. AJ versus Tyreek.
01:22:48
Joey
Yeah, I I I think that I'm.
01:22:51
Ryan
Yeah, I would too.
01:22:53
dtmr
Garrett definitely has a higher ceiling.
01:22:54
Ryan
You gotta go for the upside there.
01:22:55
dtmr
The quarterback situation sucks.
01:22:57
Joey
Well, I was going to say for maybe one year, right?
01:22:58
dtmr
That's very accurate.
01:22:59
Joey
like that's the
01:23:00
dtmr
For one year, I think AJ, I would take AJ this year, but Dynasty, I'd probably go hooking Garrett.
01:23:01
Ryan
Yeah.
01:23:07
Joey
and Yeah, I don't know.
01:23:08
Ryan
You don't even know who Garrett's quarterback is going to be after this year though.
01:23:10
Joey
Yeah, I know. I was going to say, I might be more tempted to take character this year.
01:23:11
Ryan
I'd i'd have to go to AJ all day.
01:23:15
Joey
Yeah.
01:23:15
dtmr
Yeah, but I know AJ Brown's Corvette stinks at throwing the ball.
01:23:20
Joey
It throws true a lot.
01:23:20
Ryan
Joe just went over it though. he's it's not He's been great for the last three seasons.
01:23:25
dtmr
So, but no, but let's talk about that for a second. Joe, just talk about how many targets you got at the back of half of the year. How bad was AJ Brown with those targets?
01:23:34
Ryan
Yeah, but you're talking about a back half of one year. If you look at the last three years, it's been the same quarterback.
01:23:39
dtmr
Hirst has never, not even sniffing 4,000 yards, AJ Brown. And they have, they just signed two, that's the thing is like Garrett Wilson has no competition. Who could Nakua go forward? We'll have very little competition. Asia Brown is forever now going to have Devonta Smith competition with low yardage ability. That's why like I would go with the other options because they have significantly higher upside. To me, it's not a question they have higher upside in the future. This year alone, I think Asia Brown's upside is higher. Next year, I don't think that.
01:24:14
Joey
I just like what I've seen and what I know and Garrett Wilson. I still have not seen him playing ah a snap with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know how much longer Aaron Rodgers is going to play. He's extremely. ah Unreliable for much of anything so. ah and And like we've seen like a couple years of Garrett Wilson with subpar quarterback play and he's been alright, but not great so. You know, if if let's say Aaron plays one more year and then who knows what the Jets quarterback situation is, right?
01:24:47
Joey
Like you're not really sure what you're getting there.
01:24:49
dtmr
I just want to say real quick that Sam Howell in his one full season as starter has started for more yards and hurts his ever throw.
01:24:49
Joey
I mean, I.
01:24:56
dtmr
Yeah.
01:24:56
Joey
i That's that and i I I don't totally
Running Backs' Potential Comebacks
01:25:00
Joey
disagree with that take, but if you look at like just the the total points that Philadelphia has scored over the last couple of seasons relative to any of the other things, yeah.
01:25:07
dtmr
the The offense is better. They get a lot of more touchdowns, but it's touched that, but it is an Asia Brown is a touchdown guy. I get it.
01:25:14
Joey
Yeah.
01:25:14
dtmr
Yeah.
01:25:16
Joey
Yeah.
01:25:16
dtmr
But moving on from other players because I've spent a lot of time with that.
01:25:18
Joey
Yeah.
01:25:20
dtmr
um Couple couple guys I just want to throw out real quick and then I know Joe you're going to throw out a couple guys for us they kind of value as well I think but running it back to about the blinds I think it's pretty self explanatory.
01:25:25
Ryan
Okay. Okay.
01:25:29
Joey
yeah
01:25:34
dtmr
He's come back from injury. Last year, no one expects him come back that early and he did, but he kind of stunk last year. But we're holding that against him where we all kind of expect him to sink last year. So like, should we still be doubting him for that? But this year, like if he stinks this year, then it's like really puts his value in question going forward. But if he shows up this year, which he very well could, there's there's a lot of stats show that your second year from injury, you're going to be much better. Um, so like he could be a pretty good value this year. So we'll see how that that plays out. And in Vermont, Jay Stevenson, the vibes were bad until this off season. And then they started turning around. He was, he was going into last season as like check the jacket top 12 back kind of stunk, had a couple of good games later on after the injury, but he got hurt a lot, but he just signed an extension. The team believes in him. Um, and he's a pretty good pass catcher and he's going to probably have a rookie throwing him at the later part of the season. So.
01:26:32
dtmr
I'm not sure, like, do I believe in him? He's a little older. he I think he's a fourth round running back. But he's going to be on a bad offense, so I can't figure out if I like him or not as a as a running back, but just two guys I'm going to throw out there in case you guys have thoughts.
01:26:47
Joey
Yeah, um I'm out on Remondre completely. ah just ah um'm out ah I'm out on the Patriots ah offense, obviously. We've talked about this several times on the spot. But I'm confused by all their personnel moves.
01:26:59
dtmr
Yeah.
01:27:04
Joey
I'm confused about them signing Antonio Gibson and then re-signing Remondre Stevenson. and Remondre didn't look particularly great last year, and I'm not totally sure what the quarterback play on the team is going to be like this year. I know it was very bad last year with Mack Jones, so maybe that is. ah Even when Remondre was good, though, it was like a ton of upside in the passing game that that really like gave him the majority of his value, um and I don't know how they're going to use Gibson.
01:27:27
dtmr
Yep.
01:27:32
Joey
I don't know what the offense is going to look like, so um I I. Personally, I would value him lower than what the consensus is right now.
01:27:42
Ryan
Yeah. And I got to echo that with Raimondre to add to Dave's analysis. He only had nine games of 60% Snap share or higher last year. And that was with pretty much zero competition. And now Gibson is there.
01:27:54
dtmr
Ezekiel Elliott, let's have some respect.
01:27:55
Ryan
And so, yeah, yes, proven my point.
01:27:57
dtmr
ah
01:28:00
Ryan
And now Gibson is there who is a pass catching back and I think does take a lot of that pass catching work potentially. So definitely lower on him than the consensus as well.
01:28:13
Joey
Yeah. So yeah, like I said, for this exercise, I was just kind of like looking at the, uh, dynasty startup ADP and kind of like looking at guys that, that jumped off the page at me, uh, either, you know, highly ranked when I wasn't necessarily as confident or not, you know, very, very low in the rankings or in the ADP.
01:28:18
Ryan
you
01:28:40
Joey
um I'm just gonna throw a couple of these out there that that catch my eye um Trey McBride we mentioned him earlier 31 overall tight end two Yeah,
01:28:54
Ryan
seems very high for tight end two.
01:28:56
Joey
yeah Yeah
01:28:57
dtmr
but but It's about as high as you can go. There's only one one spot higher.
01:29:00
Ryan
Yeah, obviously had a great year last year. I understand the hype. um You know, that offense hopefully is even better this year. But yeah, I mean to jump them up all the way to two seems pretty lofty already.
01:29:20
Joey
Yeah, not too far behind him. 35 Rashad white are running back 11 going behind in the running back ranks in terms of ADP behind Isaiah Pacheco behind James Cook.
01:29:24
Ryan
Okay.
01:29:39
Joey
um
01:29:43
Joey
Behind well.
01:29:43
dtmr
Like these guys are going behind white or whites behind them.
01:29:46
Joey
No, these players are going behind what behind white.
01:29:49
dtmr
Interesting.
01:29:50
Joey
Behind Rashad White, yeah. um Behind Josh Jacobs, but and Josh Jacobs is corked.
01:29:56
Ryan
yeah I mean, I'm ah um'm obviously biased here as a white owner, so I'll let Dave jump in and see what Dave has to say.
01:29:58
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah. So white, I am fine with white this year. I am not, I'm, I am very worried about him beyond this year. i've So much of his value is, again, just volume and a lot of it coming from the past passing game. And volume plays without efficiency is very hard to believe in year in and year out that a team's going to keep putting your faith in them.
01:30:29
dtmr
And that's right right now.
01:30:29
Joey
Yeah.
01:30:31
dtmr
He is a volume play, he's not efficiency play. um Right now, again, he doesn't have a ton of competition. I forgot who they, what rookie they drafted.
01:30:43
Joey
Bucky?
01:30:44
dtmr
Bucky and Bucky Irving, who also the past catching guy, I believe.
01:30:45
Joey
Yeah, I think it's Bucky.
01:30:48
dtmr
So like, I don't know if Bucky ever is going to be any good.
01:30:51
Joey
He went to Oregon.
01:30:51
dtmr
I don't, I'm not like overly excited about the, he's fine.
01:30:54
Joey
He's got, you know,
01:30:56
Ryan
Yeah, will I will say I have seen that preseason speculation around Bucky and seen some negative analysis about White just in terms of kind of what you're heading on.
01:31:03
dtmr
There was preseason speculation around Sean Tucker and the guy did nothing.
01:31:05
Ryan
But yeah, that's also true.
01:31:08
dtmr
So like, so I'm not that he said, but don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Sean, those are Sean Tucker was an undrafted free agent, fuck your ring with Jeff. I think in like the third or fourth round or something like that. Um, but I think Rashad white will be very usable, but I would be trying to sell him if I could off of last year. Cause last year he had a huge year and I think that's probably his career year. I, again, I don't think he will not be a useful asset.
01:31:34
Joey
The whole offense outperformed expectation this year.
01:31:36
dtmr
Yeah, everyone did.
01:31:38
Joey
And now Dave Canales is gone. And yeah.
01:31:42
dtmr
Yeah, I just, I don't think after this year, I think if you hold them after this year, you're gonna be holding a bag and it's like poo poo.
01:31:45
Joey
Yeah.
01:31:50
Joey
i think you're I think you're going to know you're holding a bag of poo poo by like week two or three, frankly.
01:31:54
dtmr
Yeah, yeah.
01:31:54
Joey
But sorry. Sorry, right.
01:31:56
Ryan
We'll see.
01:31:59
Joey
but
01:32:00
Ryan
So I definitely won't be going to the two of you for trade partners.
01:32:00
Joey
ah
01:32:04
dtmr
Not for him, you could be trading for a running back.
01:32:04
Ryan
Clearly like really not interested in oil. yeah
01:32:07
dtmr
If Ryan comes and sends me a trade-off for Montgomery after this bot, it'll be great.
01:32:08
Joey
Yeah.
01:32:11
Ryan
yeah
01:32:15
Joey
ah Let's see, who else can we throw out there? ah There was somebody else who caught my eye. um Let's see, one more name, come on.
01:32:29
Joey
Najee Harris.
01:32:30
dtmr
so
01:32:30
Joey
Najee Harris coming in at RB21 behind.
01:32:34
dtmr
Really still that high.
01:32:34
Ryan
you
01:32:35
Joey
Yeah, I know, right? right behind Vermandre Stevenson, who we just talked about, and and just ahead of, let's see, Kamara, Tony Pollard, Trey Benson, Zamir White, and David Montgomery, who we talked about.
01:32:41
dtmr
I'd like to remind you more to be honest.
01:32:48
dtmr
I'm definitely sure that's an overhead.
01:32:51
Joey
I'll tell you what, I would much rather have David Montgomery than Najiho.
01:32:54
dtmr
Okay, same. Montgomery is always a value by the way. I don't know what it is.
01:32:59
Joey
Yeah, oh, and I think he's going to be ah valuable this year, too, especially in redraft.
01:33:01
dtmr
It's gonna be great.
01:33:05
dtmr
Yeah.
01:33:05
Joey
That's the that's like you know we We've had conversations about him and I don't know how much I want to go in on my team just yet before I've seen them actually do anything, but I think he's going to be good this year.
01:33:09
dtmr
Yeah.
01:33:18
Joey
So my team starts off the season well, then I probably will.
01:33:18
dtmr
Yeah.
01:33:20
Ryan
you
01:33:21
dtmr
Are we waiting?
01:33:23
Joey
Regret not having Montgomery slash trying to make a move from that.
01:33:28
dtmr
Yeah. naj So like, it's funny because like in read your office, you like nausea is a valuable surprise in the dynasty market that is still there. Cause like, I think he's a fine RB2, RB3, but 21 is still too high for me. I would be thinking he'd be like, probably like another five spots back there and like ah over a guy like Trey Benson, there's no way I would be, to like if someone, if I held Trey Benson, someone sent me Najee for him straight up, there's no chance of accepting that.
01:33:58
Ryan
all.
01:33:59
Joey
Yeah, let me hear. I'll throw a couple of these other running backs out there that are ahead of Najee right now currently. So Najee running back 21. Running back 20, Remondre Stevenson. I would rather have Stevenson.
01:34:12
dtmr
yeah
01:34:13
Joey
Running back 19, Javante Williams. I'd rather have Javante.
01:34:17
dtmr
Yeah, I think his up so it's higher Probably mixing I think mixing the only thing is that I think mix is gonna have a decent year I think mix will be better than actually this year and I'd rather play for that.
01:34:19
Joey
Joe Mixon.
01:34:23
Joey
e
01:34:32
Joey
Yeah.
01:34:35
Joey
Yeah.
01:34:39
Joey
Yeah. And then we're getting into a whole list of guys that I would significantly rather have.
01:34:41
dtmr
I Yeah, that's a different tier.
01:34:44
Joey
Yeah. The Andrea Swift, Derek Henry. Yeah.
01:34:48
dtmr
Yeah, Swift is interesting, but yeah.
01:34:51
Joey
Yeah. I'm not particularly high on Swift myself.
01:34:54
dtmr
Yeah, I was going to say, he's not a different tier to me. He's the same tier, but yeah.
01:34:57
Joey
Yeah.
01:34:58
dtmr
I just want people to know I'm not in on Swift. oh I don't want to sign but sound better than that.
01:35:01
Joey
Yeah, no.
01:35:07
Joey
um All right, and then yeah, I guess we're gonna throw out some ah some undervalued targets.
01:35:13
dtmr
yeah I have a list i'm just gonna throw them at the end if you guys want to have anyone else you want to talk about real quick.
01:35:21
Joey
Yeah, right, I think you have the more the most like focused response for this one.
01:35:22
Ryan
Yeah.
01:35:25
Ryan
Yeah, I just threw out two backup running backs just because I think anytime you can get a backup running back in later rounds that could potentially see some starting playing time, it's obviously really valuable.
01:35:26
dtmr
if
01:35:38
Ryan
So I had Charbonnet and kind Kendra Miller and you can get both of those guys around pick 130 which is pretty late obviously neither expected to be starters but personally I don't think Kenneth Walker is that good plus he's often hurt and on the other side you have Alvin Kamara who has got to be on his last legs if he manages to stay healthy and perform well so I just think there are some realistic paths for both of them to see some really good playing time.
01:36:09
dtmr
I love Ken here in Miller and any, like that is the cross board. I've been trying to grab him across. I think he's going to be great. I like, I like, I think if he gets the opportunity, he's going to be a very, very like a toxic. Yeah. um etc for
01:36:25
Ryan
Yeah, and that's the thing with Camara, I mean, he's gonna presumably get that opportunity sooner rather than later, so.
01:36:32
dtmr
yeah Well, I think Kamara, I think might be on the last year of his deal too. So I think there's a lot of opportunity there.
01:36:38
Ryan
Yeah.
01:36:39
dtmr
What about you, Jeff?
01:36:41
Joey
Yeah, so I'm going to throw out a couple running backs. Rico Dowdle, I think. um
01:36:48
dtmr
Back off my Zeke.
01:36:50
Joey
Yeah, I mean, I just yeah, I'm super out on Zeke, frankly, and I think that Zeke's value at this point will be punching it in from inside the 10 or the five.
01:36:56
dtmr
Yeah, he's old.
01:36:56
Ryan
All
01:37:03
Joey
So he definitely will have value in his own right, but Dallas is offensive strong. They're going to move the ball up and down the field. They throw to the running back a lot. That's seemingly all going to be dattle at this point, just in terms of like who they've got on the roster. And ah so I just I think that.
01:37:19
Ryan
right.
01:37:19
Joey
He's. Definitely for his ADP, which is like in the hundreds, um some some good value there.
01:37:22
dtmr
Thanks.
01:37:27
Joey
Keaton Mitchell talked about him recovering from an ACL, but he looked really good last year. He's young and you know there there's there will be carries up for grabs in Baltimore in the future, so. Um, Jermaine Burton, again, talked about him earlier, a little bit of a, a little bit of, uh, he, there's opportunity there and his, his stock declined a little bit just based on like off the field stuff. And you you know, you're never really know how much of that's going to.
01:37:54
dtmr
You can't punch girls in the face, that's really, you can't do that.
01:37:57
Joey
Yeah.
01:37:57
Ryan
yeah
01:37:58
Joey
Yeah. I mean,
01:38:01
Joey
And then Zach Moss I'll throw Zach Moss out there too because again he's another guy who's being left for dead and you you kind of need guys like that on your roster to to win championships and I think that he's for the next year or two is going to be quite productive for your for your team in Cincinnati.
01:38:09
dtmr
Yeah.
01:38:18
Ryan
Yeah, I feel like Zach Moss is a really good one, actually, because he has been left for dead, but we saw what he can do last year if he does end up getting a shot.
01:38:18
dtmr
yeah
01:38:26
Ryan
um And he's expected to have a large role in Cincinnati, so that's an interesting one for sure.
01:38:33
dtmr
He almost falls in the land of like, I don't fully know how to value him, but I feel like he's at the price level to Joe's point where like, I'd take that shot a hundred out of a hundred times. I feel like the quest board right now, cause like he could be awesome again.
01:38:43
Ryan
Yeah.
01:38:46
dtmr
And like he could be, he's young enough where he'd be awesome for a couple of years. Like if he shows out this year there, he's going to be getting opportunities for years after that.
01:38:55
Ryan
Yeah.
01:38:55
Joey
Yeah.
Trade Targets and Player Valuations
01:38:57
dtmr
I'm gonna throw out a ton of names without context because I have too many names for me to run the explain why so feel free for you guys to like Challenge me or ask me why I think any of these guys or just be like you agree with them all and we can move on but I'm just gonna throw out a bunch of names that I personally have looked at and targeted trades or attempted to trade for but tank down and DK Metcalf, Christian Kirk, Jake Ferguson, Dontavian Witt, Rashid Rashid, Jerome Ford, Bryan Robinson, Singletary, Deontay Johnson, Ty Chandler, Johan Dotson, and Marvin Mims. Those are all guys that I think have a lot of opportunity to increase their value over the next year.
01:39:40
Ryan
I gotta just ask about Datsun after what we saw last year.
01:39:44
dtmr
Yeah, ah I'll be honest, I love how, but I think it, I think it was a new quarterback and a new office. I also think it was a little bit of the off offensive scheme. They have a new OC and in play now. Don't get me wrong. I'm not. Banking on Datsun being great. I'm not saying I go he's gonna be top 24 now like he was going last year But I think because his value has plummeted so badly. I think you can get him at a decent price where the ah The risk is worth it to go for because I do think there's a better chance unless they trade for a wide receiver something I think there's a good chance like he's still the wide receiver too and the other thing is that they got rid of Curtis Samuel Yeah, Chris Samuel who was taking a ton of targets away from Datsun
01:40:26
Ryan
Yeah.
01:40:29
dtmr
So get rid of that, you got a new quarterback and a new offensive scheme and Dotson showed like ability and like, it it didn't seem like he didn't have the skills. It just wasn't going his way there. So I would take the shot at least.
01:40:43
Joey
Yeah.
01:40:46
Joey
This is probably my worst take of all of last season, Johan Dotson. So I don't think that I'll be getting back in. And for me, the the biggest stat is just like he had the least targets per route run in the whole NFL.
01:40:56
Ryan
Okay.
01:41:04
Joey
Like I think he was running routes on like something like fucking 85 or 90% of Washington's ah offensive snaps last year. And he barely got any targets and barely caught any reception. So it's just, he's not, he's running, he's doing tons of cardio, but he's not getting open. He's dropping balls when they are thrown it to him. So ah I agree with, uh, with the with the take, right? Like if you can get him at the right price, there's definitely like, he's still gonna be on the field. He's still the wide receiver too. He's still gonna be running a lot of routes.
01:41:36
Joey
It'll just be new scheme, new quarterback if it if it ends up working out for him again. um I just can't, I just can't eat crow on, I can't like take an L on him two times in a row.
01:41:43
Ryan
yeah
01:41:48
Joey
So I just have no choice but to be out.
01:41:50
dtmr
Yeah. Uh, again, it's at the right price.
01:41:50
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:54
Joey
I agree he's undervalued.
01:41:54
dtmr
I am. Yeah.
01:41:55
dtmr
Yeah. I think it's out of value.
01:41:55
Joey
I agree he's undervalued, definitely.
01:41:57
Ryan
Yeah.
01:41:57
Joey
Yeah.
01:41:57
Ryan
And I think the Curtis Samuel part is a real key piece of it because he came out of nowhere last year to be a productive fantasy asset and he is gone now. And so, you know, maybe he ends up being a ah real wide receiver to this year.
01:42:14
Joey
Yeah.
01:42:14
dtmr
Yeah.
01:42:15
Joey
And I'll just i'll jump on Tankdale. um I would say I view him a little bit more as tough to value versus undervalued. I do i do appreciate the undervalued angle with Tank. To me, it's more of like between um Tank and Niko and Stefan Diggs, what that target share is going to look like between the three of them. I know he was Explosive last year. He's still a little bit undersized I i and You know like CJ Stroud has such great things to say about him And you know like I want to believe I want to be in and I do think he's undervalued just from the sense that of the three guys He's you can get him like the cheapest and redraft at least um but yeah, I just ah I ah You know for from a dynasty standpoint. I guess probably more undervalued because
01:43:12
Joey
um He's you know probably viewed um as ah ah ah a couple of tears below Nico Collins. And you don't really know yeah what that offense is going to look like. And CJ obviously loves him. So undervalued to a degree. For me, I probably put him more in the tough to value category because of all the uncertainty.
01:43:35
dtmr
Yeah, that's fair. And that's kind of so it's ah uncertainty and undervalue kind of play hand inhand in hand sometimes.
01:43:42
dtmr
That's when you sometimes get the undervalue.
01:43:42
Joey
Yeah.
01:43:44
Joey
Yeah.
01:43:44
dtmr
Um, but moving on to the last segment of, uh, some of the
Backup Quarterbacks' Role and Value
01:43:49
dtmr
players there is, uh, I posted this on, uh, on Reddit, uh, actually, and got like a lot of responses and I'll respond to some of the names that I saw, like a lot of like consistent names. I should say that's on that post, but we're in a super flex league. A lot of dinosaur leagues are. and you're always trying to get a QB2 in your team or at least some QB depth. So everyone's jotting all backup quarterbacks. So you're going into QB dumpster dive here. Who are some of the cheap and or backup quarterbacks that you guys are targeting that you think have a lot of value? Who who are some of the guys that you would like to be dumpster diving for?
01:44:26
Ryan
ah let you go joe
01:44:26
Joey
hundred Yeah, I mean, I like the idea of Sam Darnold. I would say that's probably the top one for me just because I do think he's likely to get the first opportunity and there.
01:44:41
dtmr
A lot of hype that JJ McCarthy's not ready yet, too, so let's make him outside.
01:44:44
Joey
Yeah, like I just I feel like I feel like not only is not only did Darnold look serviceable last year, granted in Kyle Shanahan's offense in San Francisco.
01:44:52
Ryan
I'll let you go, Joe.
01:44:55
Joey
um but I've heard decent things about the way Donald has looked in camp thus far. I've always kind of had a soft spot for Donald and I, you know, obviously there's a lot of weapons there for him to throw too. I think there's possibility that he could actually return some value or actually be serviceable for half, maybe all of this season, depending on what the team looks like. So um yeah, that's probably the one that I would, I would be the most interested in personally.
01:45:24
Ryan
Yeah, and I guess I'll go with Justin Fields because we're dumpster diving here. I'm completely out on him, completely out on him.
01:45:30
Joey
Luff. Luff.
01:45:33
Ryan
I'm not saying that I'm in on on Fields, but it if we're talking about a backup here, I mean, Russell Wilson is, you know, Russell Wilson.
01:45:36
dtmr
You're gonna need a good shower after that, Mr. Daff.
01:45:43
Ryan
and I guess there's a shot there that he could get some playing time. So if you're truly going and dumpster diving for backup QBs, he could have some potential.
01:45:55
dtmr
Yeah, and don't worry, some of the names I'm gonna say are even grosser but starting with the first one. The one I started discussion with on the Reddit post was Mason Rudolph, and not that I think Mason Rudolph is extraordinary good, or that he can to plant Levis. The Levis cannot see a patch rush rush for his life and loves staying in the pocket. He's going to get crushed a million times and I think there's a good chance he gets hurt. As a result of it and Mason Rudolph will be thrust into a certain position with a decent amount of options weapons at his disposal.
01:46:28
Joey
Okay.
01:46:31
dtmr
Not elite weapons, but like, because they're all kind of old, but like weapons. So I do think that's like a decent option to throw out there. Uh, but some of the more consistent names is on that poster out there. Sam Howell, pretty self-explanatory. You got Gina Smith, who's older out there and they traded for Howell. Uh, he's younger. Maybe they make that move there. And there's a ton of weapons there. So whoever the quarterback ends up being in Seattle should have hopefully pretty good stats there Drew lock has been floated out there a bunch It seems like that hype is kind of been subtle a little bit lately But like maybe the he becomes star for the dry at some point. We'll see what happens down Jones Jacobi were set we've already mentioned he's gonna start the year for the past depending how many weeks you get out of him but actually so many get for cheap and
01:47:20
dtmr
Browning for, because Burrough seems to get hurt a ton, and he showed out a lot last year, so that's something that a lot of people threw out there. And the last one is, honestly, the Aiden O'Connell versus Minshu is kind of still a toss-up, which is kind of interesting, because I actually still think Minshu would probably be the better option, but the team still seems to believe in Aiden O'Connell there, so AOC, if you will. So um those are just some of the names there, but if you're if you're trying to get players in chief, these are a lot of things you're trying to trying to grab some of them you might be able to get our free agency so and this happens every year we There's always these backup quarterbacks that kind of show out they become starters for the year and that really thrusts a team into like the next level at least for competing for that year because Once you get like a good starting quarterback out of nowhere that really kind of levels up your super flex position With that I think it's no complicated
01:48:13
Joey
Yeah, no comment. anytime where you can Anytime where you can use the word thrust twice in one segment is a win in my book.
01:48:21
dtmr
We're a big thrust pod here. We practice it. You don't want to throw us too hard. You don't want to throw your back out. But
Fantasy League Power Rankings
01:48:31
dtmr
with that, we're going to get into our Power Rings, the main event here. So it's time for teams to be either excited or pissed at us. But it is what it is, guys. Make your team better if you're not high enough in Power Rings. I'll personally tell you, I'm not as high as I'd like to be. But we'll get into that later. Uh, but Joe, why don't you, why don't you kick it off and tell us your power rankings for our league, the nonstop fantasy weekly that we got here.
01:48:56
Joey
Yeah, so I'm gonna run through. ah without comment and then maybe I'll layer on comments at the end. Admittedly, these were put together ah shortly before the podcast taping began. ah But I stand by it. So updated power rankings for me. Coming in at the last spot is um Clark Soss coming in at the second to last spot would be Team Rapasati coming in at the third to last so the tenth spot would be ah Team Wilkinson, sorry Ryan.
01:49:32
Ryan
Okay.
01:49:32
Joey
ah At the ninth spot, ah Team Schluter with a little bit of a fall, he actually was ah higher in my rankings last year and um Obviously took down the championship last year, but ah yeah, I think ah his team is trending in the negative direction.
01:49:44
dtmr
Thank
01:49:51
Joey
ah Coming in at the 8th spot is Team Rusinski. Coming in at the 7th spot are my other co-host, Dave Reed.
01:49:55
dtmr
you.
01:50:00
Joey
6, Harry and Dan. 5, Cropa. 4, Adam. 3, Mike Williams.
01:50:07
Ryan
Okay.
01:50:08
Joey
2, myself. And number one, Team Kanellos. It's actually interesting how in my rankings last year, ah we have our previous year like started the season power rankings. I had myself in the seller and Kanellos as the 11. And ah yeah, in the updated power rankings, we've both risen from the ashes. At least ah but we've given the perception in the off season that we've risen from the ashes. And we'll see what actually materializes once the games start to be played.
01:50:40
Joey
But um yeah, so Kanellos won, myself too.
01:50:43
Ryan
you
01:50:45
Joey
And then ah Mike Williams 3, Adam Crow Perry, rounding out my top six.
01:50:51
dtmr
Yeah. Good call to also call that where this is all a perceived value and we'll actually see where things start happening once games just started being played.
01:50:56
Joey
Yeah.
01:50:59
dtmr
And this happens all the time. We get, we get values wrong dramatically. So we'll see. But, uh, yeah, we are currently at the end of June. So we'll see where things happen in games that are actually being played in September.
01:51:10
Joey
Yeah.
01:51:12
dtmr
Um, I'll jump in next. Unless you're right. Let me see. Right. Do you want to go or do you want me to go?
01:51:20
Ryan
Why don't you go because my rankings are focused more on the best chance to win the title this year.
01:51:20
dtmr
do We'll do a lot.
01:51:24
Ryan
So I know yours are more towards Dynasty.
01:51:25
dtmr
Got it. I like that. um Yeah, mine's a little combination of the both, between the chance to win this year and what I think a future outlook is. So starting from the bottom, I have Scott in the bottom right now, and mainly because for me, it is this year or a complete teardown. i get I think he actually should be competing for a playoff spot this year. I think for the current year, he has a decent team, but his team is getting older and he is gonna have to make the choice very soon. If like if things don't go well this year, he's gonna have to tear down and and flip it. like there's There's no like, oh, let me try for next year. It's like, you either get a playoffs, you go for title this year, or you have to reset. After that, I got Clark Shaw, John Clark and Pat Shaw coming in.
01:52:13
dtmr
They have been rebuilding team for the future QB situation is pretty rock solid But aside from that there's like not really anything awesome overly impressed with they have a lot of depth But like there's no like real studs as of right now Maybe some of these guys hit in the next year or so and that's kind of what you what levels up a team is like you take a bunch of shots and you hope one of these guys level up and I'm assuming that's the strategy that they're going with and but as of right now like their wide receivers are the highest upside I can see is wide receiver two out of them right running back is eh and yeah so really it's just quarterback set they're still to me still rebuilding team after that I got out of my cat for Mike Williams so I think they have a decent core yeah I have a pretty low I think they have a decent core with Mahomes ASM and Kincaid and current year I think they'll
01:52:16
Joey
Thanks.
01:52:56
Joey
Wow.
01:53:04
dtmr
They'll be dependent on how good Barkley actually is in Philly. DJ Moore with a rookie quarterback and like multiple competition now. I'm ah i'm not not confident how great he's gonna be this year. And he actually wasn't that consistent last year. And their QB situation is kind of suspect with Russell Rogers. And then he they do have some potential upside with Mawson Ford who are selling depth pieces, but I just don't see a high ceiling on this team right now. And they don't have a lot of youth on this team either. So I don't see them really breaking the ranks of like being a true title contender. And they don't see a lot of
01:53:39
dtmr
Uh, younger assets where I'm making side where I think they're going to start competing going forward as well. So that's why they're a little bit lower for me. And then I have Schluter. I think we, uh, Joe, you mentioned too, he took, took the towel down this year and we all had him in the top three, I think consistently last year. A lot has changed, uh, since then digs values plummeted, rice is potentially being suspended. JSN never really broke out as a flowers. A data is super low. Reminder scene was very unproductive last year. Conners now a year older and thrown by a rookie still got us all QB D duo and he's got some interesting guys and his I was bench attack squad and I I'm talking about neighbors earlier He does have some draft picks to work with as well, but he has some work to do in his team
01:54:19
Joey
Thank
01:54:23
dtmr
uh, to compete this year for me. And then I got myself in the eight spot. Um, so I have a, I have a good core. I feel like I i could have the number one quarterback, uh, running back wide receiver and tied into pockets and was healthy in all positions. And Anthony Richardson, a chain, uh, HN, uh, lamb and Hockison, but.
01:54:44
Joey
you.
01:54:46
dtmr
I don't feel confident that it's all going to play out, to be honest. I do like having launched my QB2, but I feel like my death piece my depth pieces and my flex need some work. I need some of my rookie players to actually hit. If they hit, I do think I'll rise up the rankings, but as of right now, it's a lot of projection and I don't want to bank on it, so I have myself an 8 spot. Above me, I got the Wilkinson brothers. So Ryan, I put you ahead of me. Don't worry about it. Uh, still the best QB, QB common league, despite my hand and hurts.
01:55:13
Ryan
I appreciate it.
01:55:16
dtmr
I think the fantasy he's, he'll still be pretty solid.
01:55:17
Joey
you
01:55:19
dtmr
Um, and you got a pretty strong for the current year, RB trio and Kyra and Henry and white again. I think they're good for this year. I don't know beyond this year, but I think for this year, you're going to be pushing for a title contention with that again. Um, And then, but you don't have like a true wide receiver one. You have a few solid options there, but not, and not feeling great about it. And I do, I do like Brian Thompson, who is like the only real young piece you got there, but you do got some job picks. So I do think you can make some moves and like maybe you can make some, if you don't trade them, you can maybe make some solid job picks in the future. put
01:55:57
dtmr
I think there's still moves to be made, of but I do think it will be competing in the playoffs this year. Then I got Krope at six. He did make some hits on some quarterbacks this year with the accuracy made with Love, Baker, and Levis. Pacheco's leveled up, but the rest of his team is kind of aging. And he does lack a lot of younger future assets, but I do think he's going to be a playoff team for being this year. But again, another team that is going to have to start figuring out if they don't win this year, what they're going to be doing in future years. And I got Adam and cats, uh, in the five spot. Um, they, they hit on multiple players, young players in the draft and, or early startup with Stratton reported them with Nico and they have some high-end players in their prime years, like Justin Jefferson ETN. And they got the stacks for Justin Jefferson. They got the stacks from Nico, which is pretty fun to have. Uh, but the QB two is low suspect and they don't have a ton of depth. So I still think they can be contented, but I think they have a couple of moves to make to really get into that top tier.
01:56:55
dtmr
After that, I got the resinsky bros. They, we went in last year with saying they had like a crazy RB depth combo that kind of has fallen off a little bit, but they still have a pretty solid one. Obviously, Echler had dropped off. Chubb got hurt. Pollard's not what we thought they were. Mostert stepped up. JT's still solid despite my hate on him earlier. and Gibbs is like a top three, four dynasty back. Surprising solid duo and two own golf, not elite, but it's pretty solid. The wide receiver core, it doesn't have any like high-end elite guys as of right now, but they have a lot of depth. And again, a lot of if you looked at the names that I said, better sleepers, a lot of them are on this team. We got Devonta, Higgins, Tank, Kirk, Shaheed, Sudden, Wicks, a lot of these guys like they can mix. So like I do think their depth is going to help them this year and get into the playoffs.
01:57:43
dtmr
And some of these guys are pretty young. So I'm keeping them in my top six though. Getting into the elite tier here. These are the top three Harrison, the cost coming to number three. Uh, I think there are a clear favorite to potentially win this year, uh, but their long-term view of QB is still questionable. And, but the rest of the roster set up to be going better teams going forward. They got great wide receivers. They got London. Wilson and major Brown. They got Mark Angie's tight end and they got barista Hall at run it back So they're gonna be they have a solid core going forward after that Kanellis Joe's number one I totally understand why I'd be number one there as well run it back is a little bit weep of Brooks as we mentioned could be a second half stud quarterback duo is pretty solid doc and Herbert but their wide receiver is pretty crazy with a
01:58:31
dtmr
marvin harrison j puka iu re labncon deantte johnson wandndda and it pits becomes the timent that we thought like this is gonna be a dangerous team and team that will be dangerous for many many years but in the one spot I'm putting my co-host Joey right now. He had a rebuild and it was a super quick rebuild. He grabbed Pittman late last season. He got Odunze in the draft. He had DK and chase Jamar Chase already. So like those four alone might be the best top four, I think, in the league. Trey McBride first in the scene. And if he actually does become the top end too, like many people are projecting, that's huge. And he stacks that with Kyler who'd be top seven. He's got Dijon who could beat the RV one this year. If Daniel steps up as a rookie and has that cheat code as a running,
01:59:17
dtmr
quarterback to be a top end quarterback there. This team is going to be deadly and everyone is young, which makes the team very, very loose. So like Joe is a contender for this year. He could be a contender for the next five years. He makes it very, very scary. I'm glad he's not in my division, but yeah, definitely a strong team going into the current season.
01:59:37
Joey
Yeah, so I'll just throw in. ah um Thanks. The reason why I didn't put myself in.
01:59:42
dtmr
Thanks.
01:59:43
Joey
yeah The reason why I didn't put myself in the top spot, I wanted to mostly because of Xavier Gibson. No, I'm sure I I'm at my bench is just like not it's not it's not where it needs to be in order for me to be in the in the top spot, I feel.
01:59:50
dtmr
Yeah.
02:00:00
Joey
And that's where I think I give Canellos the edge is that he has just like a lot more depth.
02:00:02
dtmr
yeah
02:00:04
Joey
um And also, as you were going through each of the teams, I ah do realize that I have ah the Rusinski brothers under-seated, under-ranked in my rankings. So if there's any adjustment that needs to be made, um at least after hearing yours, it's that Rusinski's will probably need to move out of a couple of spots.
02:00:23
Ryan
You also can't throw yourself into the the top spot too much karma, especially in the preseason rankings.
02:00:29
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:00:31
Ryan
We've patted a peted our backs enough on this podcast.
02:00:33
dtmr
That's why I'm in the eight spot. I'm going up.
02:00:34
Ryan
yeah There you go.
02:00:35
Joey
Haha.
02:00:37
Ryan
Uh, but I'll jump in now. Like I said, I focus my rankings a little more on the best chance to win the title this year, since I know Dave and Joe focus a little more on the dynasty aspect. Uh, but starting out, I do have the same bottom two that Dave and Joe had, uh, in the bottom spot. I have Clark sauce. They completely sold out last year to rebuild. And I think the rebuild is going to just take longer than a year. The QB room is great. As we talked about, they. you know took Williams and May in the first round of the rookie draft and already had Burrow and Fields. But outside of that, this roster is, in my opinion, the weakest in the league in terms of competing right now. James Cook is serviceable, but outside of that, there's no RBs that spark much confidence. And the wide receiver room is pretty scary when George Pickens is your top option. So definitely have some work to do if they want to try to compete in the near future.
02:01:35
Ryan
Spot number 11, I have Scott. ah CMC gives you a shot every week, but the rest of the roster is a little lacking. Cousins has to come back from his injury, and I don't think anyone is 100% confident starting Geno. I think it all all kind of comes down to the wide receivers for him. He does have Adams, Kup, and Allen, and they're all in interesting situations with other wide receivers on the roster ah that eat a good chunk of targets, specifically Meyers, Puka, and more. But if they can retain their alpha status, I could see him moving up the rankings during the year, so we'll see how it plays out. 10th spot, I have Schluter, obviously the champion from last year. but
02:02:17
Ryan
This year, just not looking as bright as Dave touched on. He has Jackson and Purdy um as his two QBs, but the RB position leaves a lot to be desired. We've talked a lot about Stevenson and Connor. Those are his two top options. Diggs is aging and on a new team and didn't perform great the second half of last year. So I'll never count out a previous champion, but starting on the outside of the playoffs for me. Spot number nine I have Dave ah Their Richardson comeback story I think will make or break your team's season if he comes back and he's a true top ten Option paired with Lawrence then you do have a really good QB tandem and you can move up the rankings I think your RB room leaves a little to be desired ah You know, I'm a little skeptical on some of them but then you have lamb who is obviously a top wide receiver and
02:03:13
Ryan
Yeah, I could see see this team moving up a little bit ah during the year.
02:03:17
dtmr
It's going to go.
02:03:18
Ryan
Right, right.
02:03:19
dtmr
It's going up.
02:03:19
Joey
he's he's gonna He's going to have some really, really, really good weeks, and he's going to have some really, really, really bad weeks.
02:03:22
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah.
02:03:25
Ryan
Yeah.
02:03:26
dtmr
It won't be a consistent team.
02:03:28
Joey
yeah
02:03:28
Ryan
Yeah. And then right above you, I have myself ah spot number eight. You know, I feel like that's where you had us as well. Alan and Hertz gives us your shot. but It definitely could be a rough for us in the wide receiver and definitely in the tight end room at the moment. I'm not sure we even have a starting tight end, so ah keep an eye out for a potential move there.
02:03:51
Ryan
ah Yeah, we may have to talk.
02:03:51
Joey
I have several, so come on down.
02:03:52
dtmr
Hawkinson is available. Hawkinson is available.
02:03:56
Ryan
ah Spot number seven, I have the Resinski brothers. Goff and Tua could be a big hit or miss QB duo for me. ah I'm not high on Taylor and I know My co-hosts aren't high on Taylor either, as we've discussed, but I do love Gibbs. If Taylor does hit though, it could be one of the better RB duos in the league. I think they're still lacking a little bit in the wide receiver tight end depth. So in terms of the playoff, I think they're a playoff potential team, but I don't think they're a title contender at the moment.
02:04:32
Ryan
Slot number six, I have k Cropa, one of the harder teams for me to value. Love and Mayfield on paper doesn't strike fear, but they've been pretty solid fantasy starters. RB room is filled filled with some solid guys, but none that really stand out as a top 10 guy, maybe Pacheco. And then after Hill in the wide receiver room, I think it's a little shaky, but he does have Kelsey at tight end, so I'll never count him out ah in terms of this year, and I think he'll be in the playoffs. Uh, slot number five, and I think this is where my co-hosts disagree with me the most. I have Kanellos.
02:05:08
Ryan
Definitely love his team long term. But if we're talking about competing for a title this year, he has Herbert and Prescott. ah Potential top QB duo if Herbert does find someone to throw it to.
02:05:18
dtmr
Thank you.
02:05:22
Ryan
However, I think the RB situation is one of the worst in the league. And I'm not sure there's a single guy you really feel too confident in starting this year. you know Hopefully Jonathan Brook hits. um You know, as Dave mentioned, he does have a crazy amount of wide receiver talent though, and that could definitely carry his team. So I definitely think it's a playoff team. I'm just not sure if he's competing for a title this year. Uh, in the number four spot of Harrison and Dacosta, uh, assuming Mark Andrews is back to his usual self and Reese Hall and AJ Brown perform, which we obviously had some heated debate about. I think this team does have the talent to compete.
02:06:00
Ryan
feels more like maybe a middle of a pack team though um with the QBs, Stafford and Watson. So I think it's definitely a playoff team. I think it could push for a potential title, but I don't have them in one of the top spots right now. Spot number three, I have Catford and Mike Williams. I think Rodgers paired with Mahomes is another top QB duo, solid depth everywhere else with Barkley, Camara, St. Brown, Moore, Godwin, Worthy. Kincaid at tight end. So I think that team has a real shot to compete for a title this year Spot number two. I have my co-host Joe I think with Murray back and Daniels as your rookie QB You're in a much better QB situation than last year and obviously some top talent with Bijon Robinson Jamar Chase Michael Pittman and you know, we've talked a lot about Trey McBride So if he's really that true tight end too, then I think you definitely are competing for a title this year. I And maybe a little bit of a surprise based on my other co-host rankings, but spot number one, I have Adam and cats. I think they have potential top five talent every position with Stroud, Etienne, Jefferson, Laporta, which shows how valuable making the right picks and a roofy rookie draft really can be because, ah you know, this is only one year later. but
02:07:18
Ryan
I think depth could be a bit of a problem, but if their top guys perform, I think the team should definitely be in contention. And really, the biggest knock is Daniel Jones or McCarthy as their QB too. If either of those guys hit and end up serviceable all year, I think they compete for a title.
02:07:39
dtmr
Man, I really hope I raise up these rankings. I don't like how long.
02:07:42
Ryan
Me too, Dave. We got to make some moves up somehow.
02:07:46
dtmr
Can we get up somehow? Oh man.
02:07:50
Joey
Yeah. You know, like I will say, uh, the Canelo's running back room is, uh, is definitely a problem, but it, there's a lot of, there's a lot of like, there's a lot of tickets there, you know, like Charbonnet, Chandler, Gibson, Dowdle, uh, Brooks later in the season, Singletary.
02:07:53
Ryan
Okay.
02:08:11
Joey
Like you don't really feel like great about any of those guys right now, but he just needs like one or two of those guys to like be serviceable. And I kind of feel like. um A lot of the teams that end up winning dynasty championships have kind of like nasty boys like that as they're starting running backs. kind of Just kind of piecing it together with who's getting the carries in a given season.
02:08:31
Ryan
Yeah.
02:08:35
Joey
so
02:08:35
dtmr
He also has so many wide receivers that like he has assets on level that position up in the seat. Like if if it's teas and if his team starts producing and like he like wants to go in for it this year, he has more assets than I think other teams have.
02:08:49
Joey
Yeah, he could hit you up for David Montgomery.
02:08:52
dtmr
Nope, someone needs to.
02:08:55
Joey
yeah
02:08:55
dtmr
Cause like, apparently I'm not picking the playoffs here. So so take um if I'm not making a plans, please people hit me up.
02:09:06
dtmr
But with that we this is a marathon we This will happen more so in the offseason because you know, we don't win these pauses often. So we want to give you a lot of content But we've made it to the end if you've ah done this in one one sitting Bravo props you you don't get anything for it.
02:09:21
Joey
I'm sorry.
02:09:22
dtmr
But thanks.
02:09:22
Ryan
yeah
02:09:23
dtmr
Thanks for doing it ah But yeah, we we got there so any parting words boys before I hit the music I
02:09:32
Ryan
Well, great podcast.
02:09:34
Joey
they they've David, David Gibson, baby.
02:09:36
dtmr
Yeah, and also, I almost forgot how good this music was. DJ Dirty Work. By the way, look up time on and Spotify, and and if you really wanna hear the vocal version of it, hit up Joe or I.
02:09:46
Joey
Oh, OK.
02:09:52
dtmr
It's fantastic.
02:09:53
Joey
Yeah.
02:09:54
Ryan
you.
02:09:54
Joey
Joel Corey.
02:09:56
dtmr
Corey Andrews, but with that, Corey Andrews.
02:09:57
Joey
Oh, Corey Andrews.
02:10:01
dtmr
Last minute, but with that, We're going to say bid adieu to the crew. Good luck in your off season, make those moves, and hopefully you level up in your power rankings.