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EPISODE 20: 2023 NFL SEASON RECAP
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We put a nice bow on the 2023 NFL regular season & Fantasy season and discuss some key storylines from the year and what it might mean for dynasty players as we move into the offseason.
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Introduction and Hosts
00:00:08
Speaker
Welcome to the Nonstop Fantasy Weekly Dynasty podcast. We are here with your hosts, Dave Reed, Ray Wilkinson, and Joey Gallop. We are back! It's been forever, boys! What's going on? It's a whole
End of NFL Regular Season
00:00:32
Speaker
year.
00:00:32
Speaker
We are ready to get into off-season mode. Not sure what that's going to look like, but we're ready for it. I know. Man, that's right. The regular season has come to a finish for the NFL. And that means that your fantasy titles should have been decided. How did you guys do in all of your leagues outside of, obviously, our league of record here? Yeah, I didn't make the finals in any. So it was not a great playoff fantasy season for me.
00:01:01
Speaker
Yeah, best finish in mine was fourth. Yeah, so not the best season I've ever had. But I've got good draft capital going into next year. So that's a lot to be excited about. Yeah, I won one, which was good just for the bank account to get some of that in the box. It was a brand new league. And this one commissioner has like 30 leagues in it. But other than that, it was just brutal. I feel like I
00:01:28
Speaker
A lot of my teams that made the playoffs just had quick exits, and I just went into them all. So whatever. I'm ready to turn the page, and I can't talk. This is the most fun part of Dynasty, I think, that we're about to get into. But also, boys, I don't know if you realize, episode 20.
20th Episode Celebration
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Speaker
It's big. Started the new year off with a milestone episode. Big milestone. Big. I talk about the 20th episode. This is the make or break one. Made it.
00:01:57
Speaker
We're still going. We're going to have to do something major for like episode 50. Oh man, sparklers and everything. I think fantasy content is more enjoyable in the off season than it is during the season itself. So a lot of opportunity for us to provide some good value.
00:02:14
Speaker
For sure, and also for me, it's less stressful because like we have to, I mean, think about everyone when you're in your leagues and you had a brutal loss and you don't really want to talk about
Fantasy League Reflections & Strategies
00:02:25
Speaker
fantasy or even look about it. And we typically are coming back in here and doing the pod and looking at it and opening those wounds again over and over again. So in the off season, no wounds. It's going to be great. You can't wait. It's all upset.
00:02:37
Speaker
I mean, we all just admitted we didn't make the finals except Dave and one league. It's okay. A lot of pain we had. I know. And let's say that was probably a combined, I don't know, 30 plus leagues and we got one win, but we're doing it. People like to stop listening to us. We got to do better next year.
00:02:54
Speaker
I swear we're good experts here. With that, I want to give a quick update and shout out to our league and how that finished our title champion.
League Outcomes & Draft Results
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Speaker
It was Schluter who took it home over the Resinski brothers. And for third place as well, Mike Kaffer and Mike Williams took me out as again, we talked about the wounds just hurt over and over again. And it does think because Schluter beat me with like, I don't know, three minutes left of Monday Night Football. And if I
00:03:24
Speaker
Won that Matt steam did nothing in the title and I would have won the championship instead I hit a juggernaut and in caffer willing Williams combo so that hurt but also in the constellation bracket Canelo's beat Clark sauce to get that $50 prize. So that was pretty fun to see Right want to give a quick update on the dud draft as well. We have results there and
00:03:48
Speaker
Yeah, I did win the dud draft. I think it was kind of anchored by my JK Dobbins pick, who went down early and secured me pretty much a zero for the rest of the season. Thanks for that. But Dave, you had a nice little comeback, came in second. That's right. We're very good at picking bad players here. Yeah. Yeah, so kind of the opposite of how our fantasy seasons went. We did well in the dud draft. Yes. But yeah, so that was fun. We'll have to do that again next year.
00:04:17
Speaker
And one last update, too, were some interleague bets.
Interleague Bets Outcomes
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It was just me and DaCosta who got into it in the preseason. One was his Greg.
00:04:32
Speaker
d versus my chig uh and chig won because great d got five and a half points i think he played the first game got hurt came back played a play got hurt again and didn't play again so i won that one easily and the second one was my trevor lawrence versus geno smith
00:04:48
Speaker
And Trevor Lawrence did come out on top of it. I think both players disappointed on the season as a whole. I think there's reasons for that for Trevor, but obviously he definitely had higher hopes. But he at least won me this bet, which was 50 bucks. And Dan is going to get dosed with water twice, hopefully this weekend. So we will say. Yeah, that was the wrap up of our league. Any of the thoughts on our league this year before we start getting into the NFL recap?
00:05:17
Speaker
All right. Have a fun first year and congratulations to Schluter. I know. Yeah, I know. And he's a new father too.
00:05:27
Speaker
He gets to wear the belt around his kids, so that's pretty exciting. Maybe hit them with it. Yeah, right.
Christian McCaffrey's Impact
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So moving on, as I mentioned, the NFL regular season has come to a finish. And there's a lot of interesting storylines throughout the season. A couple of ones fantasy related, I just want to get out of the way quick, but like Christian McCaffrey, he had a godlike season. These are the seasons where if you have them,
00:05:55
Speaker
Good chance you made it to the finals. It didn't happen across the board, but he was definitely one of the most owned players on our, I think it was the second most owned player on championship teams. And just for us in our league, he would have been the QB seven as a running back. So just think about that. A lot of us were looking to find a secondary quarterback and you could have just owned Christian McCaffrey and it would have been better.
00:06:17
Speaker
Pukanukua, the rookie sensation. And week 18, he broke the rookie record for both receptions and yards. I think receptions was waddle a couple of years ago. Yards was someone, I don't even know the guy's name, and it was like 1940 or something like that. But he did it both this year, just an absolutely insane season. But those are two of the major highlights at the close of the year. But what were some of that stuff to you guys? Yeah, I'm curious what you guys think.
Should McCaffrey be Kept or Sold?
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in regards to McCaffrey, right? So do you view him more as a keep or a sell at this point? He's 27. He's been in the league for, I think this was his seventh or eighth year. He's in a great offense that obviously isn't going anywhere and maybe he's got another couple of years left.
00:07:12
Speaker
You know, we've seen guys kind of fall off the cliff, right? Like I have Kelsey in the dynasty league and his value like very very very quickly Took a nosedive this year and I kind of wish that I had traded him in the last offseason, right? So if you have McCaffrey right now, are you just gonna hold on or are you looking to sell? Like if I had McCaffrey after after what happened with Kelsey this year, I would firmly be in the cell cell camp But I'm curious if you guys would agree
00:07:39
Speaker
I think I would hold for another year so he missed pretty much the entire seasons of 2020 and 2021 so like maybe he's not as gassed as he could be at this point in his career but I think
00:07:53
Speaker
You know, literally his worst finish was RB 15 except for week 17, which is just insane. So it's kind of like a cheat code if you have him on your team, if he puts that up again next year. So I probably would hold to see what he does again next year, but there definitely is a little risk there that he's getting older and been in the league for a while now.
00:08:13
Speaker
Yeah, I'm always willing to sell anyone, if anyone knows me. So I would not be saying no to anything. I just would need an insane offer for it, which I would definitely float out, see if there's someone in there. But honestly, if you have McCaffrey, you are most likely a contending team.
00:08:33
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It's hard to sell him out if you're still going to be potentially contending going forward. I don't view McCaffrey as having the same age cliff as your prototypical
McCaffrey's Longevity & Trade Scenarios
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running back because he's not exactly built like a prototypical running back. He's more
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like a blend of a wide receiver running back and yeah he doesn't have as much mileage on him because of the other injuries he's had he's also free like there's just certain players that are just built differently and last longer I mean even like obviously I'm not gonna use over like Frank or one forever I don't think he's like a Frank or a complete different body type Zeke showed juice this year later in his career as well but like
00:09:11
Speaker
McCaffrey didn't show any signs of slowing down these other guys you started seeing somewhere in terror McCaffrey got better like this was one of his best seasons so I think he's still Even though 27 is when you start getting worried. I think he'll be fine through 30 I don't think his 30 is gonna be like a great year But I don't think he's gonna drop off for another year or two personally so
00:09:31
Speaker
But with that being said if someone's willing to offer you something big and you get like someone gave you like a breeze Plus plus something like that. I that I would probably do because I'm like breeze. I don't think Could hit the complete upside McCaffrey could because McCaffrey is like another another level But that you're still getting like an unbelievable asset and then other top of it So that'd be something I'd be looking for Yeah, I would think I would take breeze Plus a high pick right if someone offered me like breeze and a first right now for next year's draft
00:10:00
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for McCaffrey, I think I would take it. It's just crazy how fast the cliff comes for running backs. Echler's Cliff came midway through the season, after week one. It was almost like week one he was good, and then hit the cliff right after week one, and that
Josh Allen's Status Debate
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was it.
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But Aklor is a player. You were worried about that happening at some point with him. He's a smaller body. But it's true. These guys, it hits him. But there's no warning, right? You either have to go forward or you're just riding forever.
00:10:34
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Yeah, another player I want to get your guys's opinion on and I know Joe was talking to you pre hitting play on the spot But it's Josh Allen and not I love Josh on if I have them very excited still But just that how do you guys feel about because personally like I feel weird on how he finished He finished the should be won by a decent margin
00:10:56
Speaker
But when you watch the games, it didn't really feel like you had the super elite asset going on. At the end of the game, on your fantasy finishes, it was OK. But it was all propped up by Russian touchdowns. And he may be losing digs this year. Digs also dropped off for a lot of the second half of the season. But he also seems disgruntled.
00:11:18
Speaker
Do you have any concerns about Josh Allen? Do you still view him as a super elite asset? I still view him as the QB1. What do you guys think? Yeah, I mean, you know my opinion. I definitely still view him as a top dynasty asset. I mean, like you said, he might lose digs, but digs kind of has gone missing the last six or so weeks anyways. So I don't think he'll be super hurt by that. And like you said, a lot of his
00:11:46
Speaker
fantasy points come from rushing anyways. He's always kind of been that player where he's going to win you a game or he's going to lose you a game in real life. Like he may throw two or three terrible picks, but he's also, you know, capable of leading you to a winning touchdown drive the next place. So I feel like he just kind of is this wild player, but he generally puts up the fantasy points and I think he'll still do it next year. So I'm not too
Playoff Outlooks for Bills and Chiefs
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worried.
00:12:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, for fantasy, I would agree. I don't have concerns with his status going forward, especially in dynasty. I'm in the league where I have him. I honestly don't think there's an offer that I would be willing to entertain accepting for him because I feel like his value is that high. I'll attract my Jamar Chase offer. Yeah.
00:12:45
Speaker
But I just wouldn't like there's there's nothing to me that's worth worthwhile to loosen that that being said, right. It was a it was a weird year to watch him. You could tell from from week one. You know, I think I kind of described it as like he looks like he's just like losing his patience out there. You know, like he's come so close and he's had these like good teams that should have been Super Bowl contenders. And he came up short and then came up short again and like
00:13:13
Speaker
There's only so many times that you can have victory ripped from your hands before you start to get a little impatient. And I feel like this year, he's just out there trying to do it all on every single play. And that results in a lot of picks and a lot of bad throws. But it also results in a lot of good throws, too. So as an NFL quarterback, it hasn't obviously been great.
00:13:42
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and Buffalo's lost a lot of games because he's been a little careless, but for fantasy, he runs, he's a tank, he's not, his rushing this year, I feel like, you know, for the last, I don't know how many weeks in the season, he scored, he had multiple rushing touchdowns in week like 14, 15, 16, 17. Yeah, it was like six plus weeks, some weeks, two touchdowns. Yeah, so, I mean, for fantasy, I love it. And, you know, for real life,
00:14:10
Speaker
We'll see in our playoff brackets. I'm on the bandwagon for this year. I think this is going to be the year that they make a run to the Super Bowl. Thank you. You have a vested interest in this as well. Yeah.
Evaluating Playoff Teams - Eagles & Texans
00:14:30
Speaker
Yeah. We'll talk about it later. I'm lower than most on the Ravens. I don't want to say I'm lower on the Ravens.
00:14:38
Speaker
I think the Ravens are slightly just a hair overrated, but. Alright, I'm excited to hear about just a touch talk about teams that used to be overrated, but I think everyone knows now stinks is the Eagles. Yeah, they just don't look good. They closed out the year with five losses in their last six and obviously could have been 66 with the only win coming against the Giants a couple weeks earlier, but then week 18.
00:15:03
Speaker
The Giants winning that game, I know, I texted Joe this early in the morning and then in the chat, another chat with you, right? I was like, the Giants' money line is a lock. I bet it, it hit it, it's a lock going in. The Giants are an elite team when it comes to winning the draft back. If that's on the line, they will win that game. I don't care who the opponent is.
00:15:24
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, they're, they're looking kind of, uh, exposed the chiefs kind of look exposed either going to the place. Uh, I know they have a home field, uh, coming on in the game that I probably won't watch cause I'm peacock and I'm not paying for that. But, uh, they don't look that great either. Um, and then other teams like Pittsburgh, I know made the playoffs, not a team that Joe believes in, but Tom and again, refusing to have a losing season. So a lot of, uh, teams that you,
00:15:51
Speaker
You're not really that excited about or you're a little concerned about, I think, as the fan base going in. But as a team, you are excited about is the Texans making them to us and winning the AFC South. But any other teams in the playoffs or any of these teams I mentioned that kind of stand out to you or you want to comment on about how much they stick? I I'm I'm half expecting the Chiefs and specifically Travis Kelsey to come out like gangbusters against Miami and kind
Chiefs vs. Miami Prediction
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of blow them out. I just feel like
00:16:21
Speaker
There's been a little bit of, uh, I think, I think that Kelsey's, you know, off the field situation has been a little bit of a distraction for him. And that coupled with the fact that he's honestly getting older and slowing down a hair has had an impact on their offense, significant impact on their offense, but their defense is still pretty strong and Miami's down a significant amount of players on both the offense and the defense. So I would not be surprised. And then.
00:16:50
Speaker
know, assuming that kind of Buffalo holds serve at home against the no TJ Watts dealers, right? If, if, if Buffalo and Casey both win, then we have that same matchup again. And, you know, Casey will, will be favored in that game. Well, actually, I don't know. It's in Buffalo.
Potential Playoff Matchups Discussion
00:17:08
Speaker
I can't really conjure guests of what the spread would be, but you know, all of a sudden Casey's a game, a win away from being right back in the AFC championship. So, you know, I think that
00:17:20
Speaker
For all that we've had these conversations and this dialogue this season about what's wrong with the Chiefs, I would not be super surprised if they smash Miami, then beat Buffalo like they always do. And before you know it, they're right back potentially on the cusp of the Super Bowl again.
00:17:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's literally exactly how I feel, and we'll talk about it later. But I think the Chiefs don't look scary, but come playoff time, I still wouldn't want to play them. And I don't know, Andy Reid come to playoffs. I just feel like they're going to put something together and win a few games somehow. And then the Eagles, like you said, Dave, they don't look great. I wouldn't count them out, but I don't.
00:18:04
Speaker
I don't think they'll make it to the Super Bowl. I think they'll definitely have some issues that will probably come into play. And then you got the teams like Pittsburgh.
00:18:15
Speaker
I was looking at playoff Breck. I just couldn't even believe they're there. I don't understand how Pittsburgh is in the playoffs, but they are somehow. Yeah. So it'll be interesting to see Jordan Love and the Packers in the playoffs as well. Don't think they'll go too far, but kind of another interesting team that you never really know. I could see them pulling off a win or two.
00:18:40
Speaker
Yeah, I'm actually pretty high and not for the playoffs, but the Packers going forward. I think we got a lot of interesting assets. And Jordan Love has actually impressed me. I think I'm believe Vernon. He's had a good year, yeah.
00:18:55
Speaker
He makes them pretty impressive and like elite throws, like the weight, like off balance and like with all arm and the touch on it. It's I, I don't know how
Packers' Future & Bears' Draft Dilemma
00:19:05
Speaker
certain teams just keep getting lucky with quarterbacks, but the Packers never have to worry about it. It's very frustrating. Um, but could really make any sense that he looked terrible in any, any appearance that he ever had. Every time, anytime he sniffed the field while Rogers was on the roster, he looked awful.
00:19:22
Speaker
And this year he's been, yeah, it's been a night and day difference. And it was right from week one. He looked confident right from the beginning and he's only gotten better. These last couple of weeks were, like you said, just.
00:19:33
Speaker
Super, super impressive. I was like, this guy, I don't think he's fully viewed there yet, but I'm personally ready to potentially buy him early as a cute top 10 quarterback going forward. Like he has a lot of upside there. But obviously there's other teams with a quarterback questions as well. I've just given praise to the Packers, but the team, they beat the Bears. They have the first pick overall, and they also have fields in the roster.
00:19:59
Speaker
Very interesting to see what they go there. See if you
Panthers' Future Outlook
00:20:01
Speaker
got somebody thoughts there. But also, the reason they have that first pick is because the Panthers stink. And if you're the Panthers franchise, I just don't know what you do after the season, having no pick and it being the top one. But very interesting directions for both those franchises moving forward. Yeah, I mean, I think in Chicago's instance, it's just
00:20:28
Speaker
They gotta pick a quarterback, right? I mean, I don't know. I, what I was going to say was like, my take is I think they should trade the pick. And I, you know, like I just, the, what they, the value that they could get for that pick. I just feel like there is always a question mark with the, with these quarterbacks. Like if they, if they, if they keep the pick, I completely get and understand the argument of you're getting, uh,
00:20:55
Speaker
a young quarterback on a more like salary cap friendly contract for an additional three or four years and fields who you can extend for the fifth year but then after that you basically have to pay unless you want to give them the franchise tag like I mean you could do what you got to do to drag this out but if you're not drafting a quarterback now it's because you believe in fields so you may as well just sign it.
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's the thing, right? Do they believe in fields though? I just can't imagine they're sitting there thinking fields is the long-term answer. And if you trade that pick, you gotta be all in on fields. It's more like the evil you know versus the evil you don't. Because fields played good enough the end of the year that there's hope. You're not expecting to be in a league quarterback. But if he has the right weapons, which you can now potentially draft and his rushing ability,
00:21:48
Speaker
you get it done. DJ Moore had a great year. Um, but also like, are you going to pass on a potential lead option? Like, you know, that what field this ceiling probably is. Um, but you could be getting out of the higher ceiling, but we've, how many of these top quarterbacks have we seen flamed out? It's like, it's a crazy rate.
Bears' Quarterback Decision Debate
00:22:04
Speaker
Actually. I feel like the top quarterbacks you're lucky. Like it's like a 30% hit rate, even if the first overall pick. Um, so they're significantly more likely to be disappointed with whoever they were to take. And.
00:22:18
Speaker
I guess the way I think about it, if I heard tomorrow that the Giants traded the 106 or 107 for plus whatever, maybe even another pick for Justin Fields,
00:22:31
Speaker
I would be ecstatic. It would be one of the happiest that I've been about a move that's a giant demand. They don't have the trade of 106 for Fields. No, I'm saying if they did, right? I don't know. I think he's worth the first round pick. You don't think he's worth the first round pick? Because of the contract situation. I would almost guarantee, well, we're not going to really get enough because they're going to get it. But if Sam Darnold got a second round pick,
00:22:56
Speaker
So, and he was not good. I feel like Fields would get a first. And if the Giants were to trade him for a first, it would be, I think it would be a great move. I'd be excited as a fan. I think that I have enough faith in him to get it done. So I feel like that's why, if you're the Bears, look what you did last year by trading back. You just do the same thing again.
00:23:20
Speaker
Yeah, it'll be interesting. And the Panthers just got to sit and watch. Thanks. Also, one last thing I want to touch upon there. Black Monday, as people refer to it, but basically, it's kind of dragged down all week is there's been a lot of coach departures that have been going on. So currently, we have seven, I believe, official or was it six official openings and one that's likely going to be an opening just it hasn't become official yet.
NFL Coaching Changes
00:23:48
Speaker
But
00:23:48
Speaker
Got the Seahawks are now open with Pete Carroll out. Commanders with Ron Rivera out. The Raiders is technically open because Antonio Pierce was the interim coach and I still think they are looking at potentially at Jim Harbrough I think is the one that they're looking at or Antonio Pierce. The Panthers, I mean, everything's clean house there. It was Frank Wright. I don't even know who the interim coach was there. I'm going to be honest. I don't think anyone cared. I was reading an article and no one even referenced it because he's not even up for the job, which is crazy.
00:24:18
Speaker
Falcons, Arthur Smith, finally is gone. Titans, Raebel is gone, which seems like a weird move. I understand it based on some of the results, but there's no talent on that roster, and he's one of the best coaches. I don't see how you get better from Raebel, so I don't know. It seems stupid. And the Pats are likely to move on from Belichick. They're just being very...
00:24:43
Speaker
They're trying to get the PR right on how to exit Belichick, really. Sounds like Vrable might be the Pats' head coach next. Yeah, well, I mean like that. I haven't Vrable's available. It's like if they were on the fence about Belichick, they're like, I'm sorry, Bill. Yeah, it's the most perfect pick in ex-pat. Vrable's like a top, probably five coach in the league. He's one of the best coaches. He's an ex-pat, so this is the time. I think Bill's definitively gone.
00:25:08
Speaker
Yeah, 100%. I don't think there's any chance he's not. But any what other of these openings these finders interesting, excited about or who do you or is there a position that you are hoping one of these coaches land or coach lands on one of these spots? I mean, we've been talking about Arthur Smith all year. So Joe, how are you feeling now that he's finally out? Is your boy going to be free? I hope so. How like it took
00:25:35
Speaker
I'm like watching the week 18 games and B. John Robinson is rolling to like an 80 yard touchdown reception and getting a ton of action. But it was a weird season. I'm happy that Arthur Smith is out. I think there's probably a spectrum of guys. I know Dave, you have opinions on who you want it to be.
Bijan Robinson & Atlanta's Coaching Change
00:26:00
Speaker
I feel like regardless of who it is, the overwhelming majority are gonna use their
00:26:05
Speaker
start running back. So I don't think that it could get worse. I think it could only get better, frankly. So for me, this is a good day. I think Zee Stop's sign is certainly pointing up on Bijan. Yeah. I mean, Bijan had the long research, but that was the thing which was kind of annoying to me. You want to see your running back get receptions and Bijan was being used in that way.
00:26:27
Speaker
But it was predominantly only in the reception game. Every time they're in the red zone, it's Patterson. And multiple plays in a row. Dijon's not even getting the field. If he does, it's only to get a reception, not running the ball. So I think any coach would be like, all right, let's attempt one rush with Dijon and just see what happens. I don't know. Just give it a try. A lot of touchdowns were from the 7-8-9 range. Yeah, he did. He'd score every time. He's great. He's like, ah, but three yards might be too much for this guy. I don't know.
00:27:02
Speaker
I swear to god I said that on the podcast like two or three weeks ago and like the last like two or three weeks from then until the end of the season
00:27:13
Speaker
there's been a play where he's thrown it directly with the DBA. And I'm like, I got to text David Ryan right now. And again, every single week. But it is going to be interesting to see where potentially Jim Harvo lands after Michigan won the college championship.
Washington Franchise's Promising Future
00:27:30
Speaker
So shout out to Adam Cohen in our league. He was at the game, but obviously he's one of the hottest names in there. There are a lot of big names available too, which is going to be pretty interesting. I feel like you don't really have this many
00:27:42
Speaker
key names, but we'll see where everyone is. Pete Carroll is probably, he's an advisor, so he probably won't be available there. And Nick Saban also is now retiring too, so throwing that out there with this one less college ranked person who's going to get drawn away. Yeah. The one, the one job that interests me the most, I think is probably the Washington job, although they're notoriously a poorly run franchise and they, you know, for the longest time had the worst
00:28:11
Speaker
uh, owner in the league. They've, you know, since corrected that. And I think they're, they're actually a pretty desirable spot moving forward. They're going to have the number two pick. So they're going to get one of the top two quarterbacks. Like the defense is still bad and they,
00:28:34
Speaker
their two best defensive linemen are currently on other teams, having a lot of success. So, you know, it's unfortunate that they're going to have to rebuild the defense, but from an offensive standpoint, if they can hire an offensive coach, then, you know, I think for fantasy, there's a lot to be excited about, right? Like I hate to say it, but like for me, I'm not, I'm not totally, totally giving up yet on Johan Dotson.
00:29:04
Speaker
And I think obviously Terry Maclaurin has, has always had like quarterback challenges since he came in the league, even though he's been a pretty high level or what I would consider a pretty high level wide receiver. So maybe in the Drake may era as what it's likely to be, uh, with a new coach, then they can, their offense can turn it around next year. Yeah. I mean, they got a lot of weapons and I was just quickly looking up. They have the most cap space too. So like, even though the defense stinks, they can quickly
00:29:34
Speaker
Correct that. That was one of the reasons why they traded some of these defensive guys away is to create that cash space. That can be a very quick rebuild. They got a lot of assets in place.
Fantasy Football Heroes of the Season
00:29:46
Speaker
But with that said, kind of want to jump in to, you know, this little bit of a year in review and kind of hit on some of the players or trends over the year that stood out for our fantasy team. So first going to hit on to who are some of the biggest fantasy heroes and biggest hits for you. So I'm just going to run through some names at the positions and you guys can jump in and talk about the ones that kind of stick out to you. But a quarterback, some of the big names that really
00:30:09
Speaker
kind of beat what you thought they were gonna, beat what their value was going into the season. You have obviously Brock Purdy shot up, Dak Prescott finishes like the QB2, Jared Goff finished in top 10, Sam Howell had a great year, but finished, ended pretty rough and probably gonna lose the shot to a draft pick. It's all right, maybe someone else will take them. Jordan Love, we've mentioned Stafford actually bounced back big time and a million backups, but none more importantly than Joe Flacco.
00:30:39
Speaker
So those are some of the quarterback ones. I don't know if any guys any thoughts before dive into some of the other positions. I Mean one of the bigger ones for me is Dak Prescott just because he finished as the QB 2 like it wasn't out of the realm of possibilities that he'd have a good season but I don't think anyone was projecting him to be a top three fantasy quarterback so that that's pretty crazy and then the other two that kind of stick out to me are Stafford just had
00:31:05
Speaker
quite a comeback. I was kind of down on him this year after last year. So to see him really turn it around and, you know, maybe even have some playoff success here was pretty cool. And then like you said, Joe Flacco just literally coming out of nowhere to run the Browns. And it's been really fun to watch. I think he was like, he might've been like the QB one over there. He's literally been crazy. I just can't believe that he wasn't even playing. And then,
00:31:33
Speaker
Yeah, he's been like a top three fantasy quarterback. It's been unbelievable. I Don't understand why he wasn't playing totally. Yeah, it's like a home sitting on his couch while the likes of you know Tommy DeVito or starting NFL games but The one thing I'll say about Sam Howell is that I don't I don't think he'll be out of the league I think he'll be a good backup at worst and
00:32:01
Speaker
You know, depending on what team he's on, whether it be Washington or another team that doesn't have like a locked and loaded starter, you know, he could.
00:32:10
Speaker
He could challenge. I think the Falcons may trade for him. The Falcons can use him. I mean, I don't have to trade much. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Come on, Hal. Got a job. Moving to the running back. She had some people really showed up. I'm going to start with my favorite, but then I'll get to the big one. Devon Achan blew up. I had a wild yards per carry.
00:32:33
Speaker
uh Kyron Williams I think that he's like the headliner there I came out of nowhere and finished it or before any missed some games guy was an absolute stud there and I'll let Joe get into the spiel game but I'm I'm a believer now and I if I could I would be trying to acquire him hopefully people trying to sell high on him uh Rashad White also
00:32:53
Speaker
dominated most
Running Backs Exceeding Expectations
00:32:54
Speaker
of the year. It was like a top 10 quarterback all year long finishes in like the top 7-6. Travis Etienne finishes like RB3 kind of a weird year, but when he scored his touchdowns, he scored them in bunches and had some massive weeks. Both Jamar Gidd and David Montgomery finishes top 15 running backs and Gidd I think was at 10.
00:33:12
Speaker
Montgomery at 13, I believe. Montgomery obviously cooled down a little bit in the back half of the year, but still was a very strong finishing. He gets a lot of the touchdowns there. So I think Paul took great assets. Isaiah Pacheco is looking like the answer for the running game for the Chiefs. And even Devin Singletary, who was like, I had to give him some credit because the run game in Houston was terrible. And then for some reason, Devin Singletary solved it and was proved to be very useful. I want to call him a leap, very useful with some pretty big weeks down there.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, so I feel like in fantasy football, you got to take your wins with your losses. And this list, kind of the guys you just went through, it's funny how Kyron was a big win for me. And right below that are Rashad White and Travis Etienne, two guys who I didn't touch in any draft that I was a part of. I couldn't possibly have been lower on either of them, and they both kind of proved me wrong this year, finishing RB3 and RB6.
00:34:13
Speaker
I I drafted Jamir Gibbs in in a home Redraft league and was disgusted with the pick. I was trying to trade him between weeks three and seven and now he's You know, maybe looking like one of the more dynamic running backs in the league and you know looking like
00:34:35
Speaker
I mean, obviously they signed Montgomery to, I think it was a three year deal in the office. So that'll be a one, two punch between the two of them for the next couple of years. And there's plenty to go around. It's a good offense. Uh, like you said, Montgomery gets more of the goal line stuff, but especially over the last couple of weeks, Gibbs in the passing game. And when he does get opportunities to run, he, he. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I mean,
Lions' Running Backs Success
00:35:05
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's interesting that the Lions had two top 15 running backs on the year. And like you said, it should continue for the next couple of seasons, which is pretty crazy. I think Rashad white is the most shocking just because it was never talked about. Like you said it before, Dave, but it still feels like it's not talked about. Like if you approach someone about him, I feel like they wouldn't be that high on him, but he finished as the RB six on the year. I think it was seven after the last week, but, uh, up there and then Etienne,
00:35:35
Speaker
finished as the RB 3 but he's the one I'd be the most worried about because You know, he didn't have a great middle of this season and I I don't know I think there's some risk there that he is not a top five running back next year So I think he's someone you maybe look to trade away if you can still sell really high that that's actually exactly what I was gonna kind of pose you between white and ETN who would you rather have I
00:36:00
Speaker
Yeah, let's play this game with ETN because there's a couple. Between white and ETN, I would rather have ETN. I think I'd rather white, but I'd rather trade ETN because I think he had significantly more for that. If I had ETN, I would probably go to the white owner and go white plus and feel better about his... ETN just didn't...
00:36:22
Speaker
It looked elite to me. It was a lot of touchdowns there, but he was very inefficient in a lot of games. And he doesn't catch the ball nearly as much as White does. So I have more confidence that White will repeat his season more than I think ETN will next year.
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I'm more on Dave's side. I just felt like White was more consistent. ETN had bigger blow-up games, but I think there's a better chance that White has more of a consistent season next year. What do you say about Kyron Williams or ETN? Kyron. I actually, I'm trying to, I think the Rams are all in on Kyron now. James Cook or ETN?
00:37:08
Speaker
I'd probably go ETN there just because I don't it's hard to trust the rushing game in Buffalo Yeah, Josh Allen's too much the rushing game there, but I like cook but I think between the two you got to go ETN. Yeah Yeah, that's I think I would probably take each of those guys over ETN But I would take ETN over
00:37:33
Speaker
Rashad White. I don't know. I'm still not totally in on Rashad White. I don't know. The ballers always say, stay water. I feel like that needs to be
00:37:44
Speaker
advice that I need to take to heart because I, I kind of formed these opinions of people and it takes a lot for me to I first course in kind of real quick. I think it was like, we, I was like, I think they put a different guy in his Jersey. It's not the same guy I remember watching before.
00:38:05
Speaker
Yeah, but moving on to the wide receivers that really stepped up
Top Wide Receivers of the Season
00:38:10
Speaker
this year. He had CD land wide receiver one, who I'm definitely going to bring up and want to see where you guys land on there. I'm a Ross St. Brown, I think finished at the wide receiver three, another guy who like really leveled up and if you have him, I'd be ecstatic.
00:38:25
Speaker
Pukanukuo, we already mentioned, but he was finishing the top five. Brendan Ayuk really made that leap to that many people were hoping for, just on a fringe of being a wide receiver one. DJ Moore, even though he was a bit inconsistent, had some huge weeks, so that one Monster Mazel week really propped him up, but he finished in the top 10.
00:38:42
Speaker
Nico Collins and Tank Dell both had great seasons. Very rarely did they happen at the same time, unfortunately, due to injuries back and forth. So it'll be interesting to see how, when they're both healthy next year, this offense looks, but both guys look great. Like Nico finishes the top 10, huge week 18. Mike Evans, probably like the pick, the most valued pick in all drafts. He finishes, I think, five.
00:39:07
Speaker
huge, huge year with, uh, Baker. Uh, and then Kenan Allen was also like absolutely elite before he got hurt, even with the injury and missing the final four weeks of the year, he finishes the wide receiver eight. So he just was putting up monster numbers all year long. Um, another rookie I want to throw out is just received rice. He, he's been flashing good amount to close out this year as a rookie. And that offense that we mentioned with, uh, uh, the chiefs that need some other offensive firepower outside of an aging Kelsey.
00:39:37
Speaker
Yeah, so again, coming along as the Grim Reaper talking about guys that are near their cliff, right? So Evans and Alan, I mean, as somebody who traded Evans in our league, what do you guys think, right? Do you think, I mean, I think he's, his contract is up. So this is going to potentially be his last year in Tampa Bay.
00:40:00
Speaker
You know, what are you thinking about the future for each of those guys? I mean, obviously Allen, I think is a little bit older than Evans. I personally am higher on Evans moving forward than Keenan still. Keenan is a little more injury prone and like I said, I think he's like a year or two older. But what do you, how do you value the two of those guys moving forward?
00:40:21
Speaker
Dynasty it's it's an interesting question I think the trades because both guys are traded at the deadline in our league And I think it was like the perfect trade for both like if you're a contender I think these guys are still very helpful and if I'm contending I would probably keep them because I don't think you're gonna prob most likely get the value that you expect so you might be able to sell a little bit higher and Mike Evans than most but I
00:40:45
Speaker
I still think they're going to be very useful next year. The Mike Evans situation with the contract would be interesting if he ends back up in Tampa Bay or where he goes. So there's a little bit of question mark there, but I think he'll still be fine. I think I feel more comfortable with Evans because I feel like his floor is a little bit higher.
00:41:00
Speaker
But the key now there is still the potential like there the Chargers need to add offensive weapons right now if they don't like King's gonna get like the reason was so good. He was getting a Stupid amount of targets this year like it absolutely insane. I don't if they don't add other weapons It's gonna happen again it can his body handle it who knows if you see this what is this his shoulder blade? It's like popping out of his jersey the guy his body is rejecting. It's ridiculous So I don't know how much more he's got left in them, but
00:41:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think he was a huge benefactor of Austin Echler, I think, you know, sort of losing a step. Like you said, he just was getting every single target there. Mike Williams went down for the year. Echler was himself. I mean, Keenan Allen was was their only real legitimate offensive weapon. So he got everything. I think I'd be more concerned with him going into next year if things do change, if they, you know, switch it up or, you know, Mike Williams will be back maybe and
00:41:57
Speaker
you know, see what goes on there.
Mike Evans & Keenan Allen's Future
00:41:59
Speaker
I think they're both still pretty valuable next year, but you are playing that game with both of them now of ones that you're going to come where their value really starts to tank. So I think if you're contending, they'll probably help you next year. If you're not, maybe you try to sell high now while you can. Yeah, but I do want to bring up one guy and I want to get opinion. CD lamp. Is he in the same tier as Chase and JJ now? I think so.
00:42:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's got to be, he's tied to deck Prescott too. I mean, you know, Prescott has looked great this year. Like we said, QB two finish. So he's got to be in the, yeah. So, I mean, lamb has got to be in that elite tier now, I would think. Yeah.
00:42:44
Speaker
Crazy, crazy year. I mean, obviously, I own him in a stupid amount of leagues. I know Joe has seen it too. I just couldn't get away from him. And I actively try to not draft him in certain leagues just because I have too many shares of him. But now I'm like, you know what? It was worth it to pay off. He had an unbelievable season. Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing with him was just Dallas's lack of commitment to just feeding him the ball constantly.
00:43:12
Speaker
And I, and I just feel I got a certain point this year. They were like, well, you know, nobody can defend him. So if we just throw it to him every single time, then we're going to score a lot of points. Yeah. And they did perfectly. Yeah. 181 targets. It's honestly absurd. It's, it's stupid. He finished the season with rushing to like, with over eight, I think he was over 18 and one 1800 or even like 18.500, uh,
00:43:37
Speaker
total offensive yards, but you're just crazy.
CD Lamb Joins Elite Receivers
00:43:39
Speaker
And I think 14 total touchdowns, just crazy here. Got to, I'm very excited about him going forward. Any other wide receivers you guys want to talk to you when I jump into some quick tight ends? Some of the tight ends. Yeah, tight ends. All right.
Sam LaPorta's Dominant Season
00:43:54
Speaker
So there were a couple of names that showed out.
00:43:56
Speaker
Number one overall, I think everyone's a heartthrob these days, the same La Porta, the rookie sensation just dominated as the title one, which has never been done by a rookie. It was absolutely insane. And he's definitely the title one, I think, as of right now in all of Dynasty.
00:44:11
Speaker
Uh, but TJ Hopkinson showed out obviously had an ACL injury, uh, late in the year. So we'll see how that impacts next year. But he was showing out in that offense all season long, despite the, uh, the rotating quarterback situation there. Trey McBride after was it like week seven dominated and was like potential top three tight end going forward. Uh, and, but just notice, could you ask you after his rookie year in the first few weeks of the season, you thought he might not be anything. And now he's like top three.
00:44:39
Speaker
Braves nuts. And then just want to give a shout out to also Jake Ferguson, because he finishes the top 10 tight end, looked very good. Again, looks like he'll be an integral part of the offense going forward. And he was a very late round guy that you probably got going to the season. And I know for me in one of my other dynasties, I got him at a free agency year before.
00:44:57
Speaker
And now he's like a pretty one of the top tight ends you can have. So that's a guy who definitely shot up and value. I mean, I think even after the rookie draft, people thought the shoemaker was going to be the tight end one and it turned out Ferguson stole the job and became an elite option. Yeah, and you know, it's frustrating because you like watching Dallas as a Ferguson owner and as a frequent Ferguson anytime touchdown scorer or wager.
Emerging Tight Ends
00:45:23
Speaker
It's good maker still gets like quite quite a bit of.
00:45:27
Speaker
goal line targets and I think they even have a third like white tight end that confuses me when I'm trying to find Ferguson's targets. I know they all look the same, they have the same thickness of arms. One number is 88, one of them is 87, another one is 89, it's just yeah. But yeah, I mean honestly Ferguson's, he looked good and he's
00:45:52
Speaker
He seemed to tail off a little bit at the end. I don't know if that was just me. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I think it was just CD getting all the targets. Pretty much. But he had a stretch early, middle of the season where he was scoring a ton, getting a ton of targets, putting up a lot of yards. And Trey McBride, let's just hope that he keeps this going and it's not just a flash in the pan.
00:46:18
Speaker
I think he was, he was pretty hyped coming out of college as a potential. Um, it was the first time in drafted, I think in the second round. Yeah. Like a potential like offensive producing tight end. So we'll see he's in the same offense. He's, he's keeping the same quarterback. So hopefully, uh, he'll be in a better offense next year. Hopefully they'll add some more dynamic offensive skill guys and, you know,
00:46:48
Speaker
keep that momentum going. Yeah. And another guy I just wanted to mention was Evan Engram. I feel like he was someone pre-season you were kind of hoping would have a good season and you'd actually finished as tight end two on the year, which is pretty crazy. So his stock has gone way up since prior to this year as well.
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's a great call out.
Quarterbacks' Disappointing Performances
00:47:12
Speaker
He was so consistent all year long. He was just getting so many targets. He was, I think, the second read in the Jags offense. But he just wasn't getting touchdowns throughout the year. So it's why he never was having the big boom weeks. But he was always in the top 10. But at the end of the year, he's still getting those touchdowns. And he really saw the upside there. So I think that's actually something we'll get into. But that's someone who I think is going to continue to rise next year and be someone who I'd be trying
00:47:38
Speaker
Potentially get on my team on if possible the cheap
00:47:43
Speaker
But with all those hits, they were definitely misses this year's as well. We had a quarterback, a bunch of them. Many did an injury. I tried to limit the injury once as much as possible. But if they look bad before injury, they're going to make the list. But yeah, Kenny Pickett just looked bad. Daniel Jones, I don't know. I mean, I'm still blaming some of it the offensive line, but it wasn't great. Trevor Lawrence, he disappointed based on what it went on. I do think his issue was that,
00:48:10
Speaker
just gonna say this now get out of my system and you guys can believe it or not but he just he tried to not miss games and I just think he was injured like so basically most of the season like this past week I don't think he would have played if it wasn't for he had his AC joint was messed up if it was an October game I don't think he plays he had a bomb arm
00:48:29
Speaker
Um, then he had like a concussion and then he tried to get back from that. It was a high ankle sprain and another one. He just kept forcing his way back. So I don't think he was ever fully healthy. Uh, I don't think he excuses all the mistakes that he made this year, but I do think that was a big factor there, but it happens. He was on the field. You wanted more and, uh, and you had a down season, uh, DeShawn Watson, uh, more so because Flacco just looks so much better than Watson ever looked. Uh, it's crazy. And then, uh, Bryce young, uh, call out again, he's a rookie, but.
00:48:59
Speaker
You want to see flashes from rookies. He did start the last couple weeks have a couple plays here and there, but still it's just like it's hard to get excited after his rookie year to build off like it yet. There weren't many plays or moments. He never had a moment that are you like, okay, this is like tension there. So kind of down on all of those, but I don't know if there were any other quarterbacks that stood out to you or ones you kind of want to elaborate more on.
00:49:23
Speaker
Well, it's funny, Dave, I think our preseason picks years had to do with Kenny Pickett had to do with Daniel Jones. And I don't think we couldn't have been more wrong than those. They were bold. They were bold. This is why they were bold. Yeah. Um, so yeah, those were huge misses Trevor Lawrence. I, I am still relatively high on them. Like I, I still think he's an asset and I think he'll be good next year.
00:49:52
Speaker
Watson's the one like you said with flacko coming in and looking so good You know, I don't I I would be looking to get rid of him if I could I just wouldn't want to stick with him Thing is they have no caps no no option but to stick with him like the amount of dead cat pit they would need to take if they were to cut I I want to say I
00:50:20
Speaker
I could be wrong, but like I, I heard it was like, I just brought it up. So 200 million. Is that right? Yeah. If they cut them, it is a basically $201 million debt. It's out of control. He's and in his defense, right? Like he got hurt. He looked like shit last year, but I do feel like he was, he started off this year pretty strong.
00:50:48
Speaker
He looked OK. He was running the ball. He had a couple of rushing touchdowns. He was looking all right. I think we remember whatever week that was, six or seven or eight, when he went out for the season thinking that this was going to deal a blow to the Browns' Super Bowl hopes, as if they were like a contender with Watson. So he was playing good football then. It's just, you know.
00:51:14
Speaker
It's going to be an interesting dynamic if Flacco takes them to a deep postseason run, or even the Super Bowl. I don't think they can afford Flacco now. He's played his way into a bigger contract. You have no choice but to just go back to Watson next year. There's literally no other option for that. Crazy. And Bryce Young, capital B.
00:51:37
Speaker
Yeah. Bust. Yeah, it's brutal. Yeah. It's like even Levis had like flashes. Like you just never saw it from Bryce, which is. He has arguably the, the least amount of pocket awareness of any quarterback that I've watched this entire season. Like including all the backups, like literally the guy just has no awareness.
00:52:02
Speaker
and like his strips act like he's worse than Jones. Like it's just, it's tough to watch. So yeah, unfortunately he's a bust. Sorry Panthers. Um, from Harry and Dan this year. And, uh,
00:52:15
Speaker
I appreciate you guys declining that offer. Yeah, save me for myself. But moving to some bus running backs, Tony Pollard, more so, it was okay for your team, but you were expecting a high end asset and he's like a low end RB2.
Underperforming Running Backs
00:52:36
Speaker
Weird year for him. Injury kind of derailed when he looked like he was throwing a bounce back, but definitely had higher hopes for him. Personally for me, like Antony Gibson was on one, I just want to throw it out there because I had a lot of hopes that he'd be good and he just backed being bad again. Damien Pierce is probably the biggest one that a lot of people were pretty high on going into the season and then just really disappointed and looks like he may not
00:53:02
Speaker
Even have too much of a job going forward, but the biggest bust of them all easily is Miles Sanders Which I was high on him I know Joe you were as well and like I don't even know is it just if you're a panther you just don't I just don't get what happened there I was gonna say do you think Bryce young affected that? I think you think it was super chuba hubber was great. That's true I
00:53:32
Speaker
They gave him a four-year, $25 million contract. It was the biggest running back contract that was given in the offseason just for him to come in and promptly hit his physical running back clip. I honestly think that he just
00:53:55
Speaker
like lost his staff at some point between when last season ended and when he signed that $25 million contract. And he literally just essentially robbed Carolina of $25 million because he's the second best running back on the team and they'll probably end up cutting him eventually. And I mean, he's probably what, like a better version of Dalvin Cook right now.
00:54:22
Speaker
You know, I think he's a little better than Dalvin, but not much better from a fantasy or from a real football perspective. So it's unfortunate. I traded up for him in our startup. I always say to follow the money. And there were high hopes in Carolina this year with Bryce coming in. And you thought Miles was going to be the workhorse. And it ended up being Hubbard.
00:54:49
Speaker
Quite frankly, if Miles Sanders had had Hubbard season, I'd be looking back and very, very pleased with how that trade up turned out. So it's unfortunate. But yeah, it just goes to show you that you don't want to give many running backs. I don't even know how many there are out there. Take one. I love you, man. But if the Giants give him a contract, I won't do it. Yeah, they better not.
00:55:19
Speaker
And I think one of the things that was Miles Sanders' undoing or downfall was last year when he was on the Eagles, the Eagles offensive line was great. And that's where he was just getting open lanes and just bursting through that. And that's where, I believe DeAndre Swift is a free agent this year.
00:55:38
Speaker
And D'Andre Smith looked horrible, goes to Eagles, looks great, slicing things up. Although he can't, for some reason he trips in the one yard line. He just can't get in the end zone. There's like a force field there for him. It's all for, only for Jalen Hurts can pierce it. But I don't think the Eagles are going to re-sign Swift because they don't sign, pay money to running backs.
00:55:58
Speaker
If you're going to the next year, there's a chance that Swift becomes this year's Miles Sanders, potentially. So just something, our listeners, all dozens of you, just keep that little nugget in mind when you're going into next season and you're following where the money goes with Swift. Because Swift will get paid, but it's not going to be by Philly, I don't think. And if he doesn't have a strong offensive line, I don't know how he's going to show out there.
00:56:23
Speaker
Any other running backs to stick out to you? Nothing that really surprised that, like, nausea you can maybe talk to, but I think a lot of people expect this. Henry had, like, ups and downs, but these were all ones that kind of expected, so it was more of the players who we had higher hopes for.
00:56:38
Speaker
Some wide receivers, a lot of these, we call that for it. And I'm very excited because a lot of the guys that I hated sucked.
Wide Receivers Fall Short
00:56:45
Speaker
And finally I got some hits there. I can't get the right, like the good players, but I can call the bad players. But T Higgins was, I think this year, a complete bust. Wide receiver 46, obviously injury, but it's always injury with him. So I think that's kind of part of this game.
00:57:00
Speaker
But even when he wasn't hurt, he only had a couple big games here and there, but it wasn't that great. Jared Judi stunk, and I successfully acquired him and flipped him in another trade. As I called out, I was going to do in this, this pod, but he looks terrible. James Williams looked terrible, but I will say he looked better the last couple of weeks, but I still don't think he's great. But it does seem like the chory is kind of
00:57:26
Speaker
committed to trying to get him involved in the offense. So maybe someone you can get for like a fourth round, third round pick, and maybe have some upside. But I wouldn't go too big on him. Calvin Ridley was a bit of a disappointment from what you thought you were going to get. Johan Dotson, we already talked about like what the hell.
00:57:43
Speaker
I don't even know what to say there. Garrett Wilson, but that was all offense in the QB. Jalen Waddle, he was hurt every game, finished almost all those games, but hurt every game. But he was truly like the backup, like the wide receiver two in that team. Tyreece just like really dominated. Devonta Smith seemed like a wide receiver two most of this year. Christian Watson is a walking injury. And when he finally started to get it going,
00:58:09
Speaker
You got injured again. And Quinn and Johnson just doesn't look like the answer. I think the Chargers are going to draft another wide receiver with a high pick, which is crazy after you did that with Quinn and Johnson. But those are some of the big ones I want to call out if you guys have any thoughts on this or others. Well, it's interesting. Most of these are wide receiver two on their teams, I think Ridley and
00:58:36
Speaker
Garrett Wilson are really the only like true wide receiver ones on their teams. A lot of these guys have either studs they're playing across or in my QJ's case, I guess they're just rookies at this point. But I think they're all misses. The ones that I think still will have quite a bit of value are probably Smith and Waddle. Waddle, if he's not always hurt, I think
00:59:02
Speaker
is a pretty good receiver, and Smith has AJ Brown, so if something ever happens to AJ Brown, I think he'd be really valuable, but it's interesting. A lot of these guys, I think, are just wide receiver 2s that you were kind of hoping for wide receiver 1 numbers from, and it just kind of turned out that they are actually just the wide receiver 2s. Yeah, I would agree with that, because, I mean, if you think about, like,
00:59:26
Speaker
If you look at Devonta Smith's numbers, he was pretty consistent and for a long stretch in the middle of the season, like weeks 8, 9, 10 was the buy, 11, 12, 13, 14, he's getting double digit targets, he's scoring 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 touchdowns.
00:59:48
Speaker
It seemed like for a lot of this season, he was he was the number one target in the offense. And like we talked about earlier, Philly's offense has been a little bit weird, but I I'm more confident in him moving forward because I think that he looked pretty good this year. And it's just like exactly like Ryan said, where, you know, like he's he's he's just in an offense where there's, you know, Hertz is running in touchdowns. He's got AJ Brown.
01:00:19
Speaker
He's got DeAndre Swift. He's got Dallas Goddard. He's got, you know, Quiz Watkins every once in a while getting, you know, like, I just think that it's, I wouldn't necessarily consider him a true, true bust, but definitely a little bit of a disappointment at his ADP. Same thing with, I mean, I'll ride for T Higgins to the end because I feel like when he's out there, he's,
01:00:48
Speaker
tremendous receiver and I don't see any scenario where they're gonna be able to resign him so he's gonna go somewhere depending on the situation and depending on what the Giants do I'm like you know I wouldn't be all that upset if he ended up coming to the Giants but yeah I mean he's I think he's a great receiver and I
01:01:10
Speaker
This year specifically, he was more injury riddled for him than usual. I mean, he's definitely good for an injury or two each year and to miss a couple games. But this year he missed a shitload of games. And even the games that he played in, there were times where he was on and off the field and it was just a mess. So not really. This year wasn't great for my case that he's better than Mike Williams, although
01:01:37
Speaker
He was exactly Michael.
T. Higgins' Value Debate
01:01:42
Speaker
There's no world in which Mike Williams is better than T. Higgins, but they are not all that different. At least this year, they were not all that different from just what they brought to the table in terms of production and injury and absence.
01:02:02
Speaker
They're Michael. These are Michael Williams. But I think that was a good call about a lot of these guys being wide receiver too. But the thing is like everyone was viewing these guys as wide receiver ones. Yeah, exactly. Or like top 15 guys.
01:02:19
Speaker
The fact of the matter is, it's just so hard for these guys to give you consistent top 15 wide receiver outlooks. Dynasty, obviously, you're projecting out a few years, but you're viewing that output that you're going to get this year. I don't see a path for most of these guys. Wilson, I think is going to be fine.
01:02:39
Speaker
I don't see consistent like high end to wide receiver one pass, at least next year for a lot of these guys as well. It's the Smith situation to like, I don't, I don't think that some of these, like, I don't think Smith's not talented. I don't think, I think Higgins is talented in certain situations, but.
01:02:56
Speaker
He's just Mike Williams where you're going to blow up. I can't get away from like, I feel like it's a, I don't want to say Kenny Galladay cause Galladay is like, that's like the worst case scenario, but I don't see that ever, but like, that's just the type of wide receiver these guys are. Um, but waddle too, like waddle has these blow up moments, but when they have the alpha on the other side, it's hard for them to get that consistent, um,
01:03:19
Speaker
target volume, but for Smith in particular, there's just so many different targets there and it's not a high passing volume offense at all. Hertz didn't really make a step forward in his ability to pass, at least this year, but they're still not passing a lot. Hertz doesn't throw a ton of touchdowns either.
01:03:39
Speaker
If you're, it's the small pie and you have to split it up. Like I just don't see how Smith is going to give you high end numbers consistently. Like a lot, and I'm sure if you have like the map of the AJ Brown games and the Smith games, there's very few that bolted wall. Um, cause like, I know there was that street that you saw AJ Brown who had like over 125 receiving yards. You can look and that was probably the, and I'm just looking at Devonta Smith's games. And I'm going to say that was probably all the way like
01:04:05
Speaker
what through week seven when Devont Smith had nothing then week eight when he blew up. That's probably when A.J. Brown's streak broke. That's kind of how it went for those guys. But yeah, so, yeah, I mean, I would be fine having these guys on my team. You just, you can't view them in my opinion as wide receiver of one, but I think everyone still does. I think we'll see where Higgins ends up. I think if it was Higgins' Cincinnati, then no, you couldn't, then you could make the case. But depending on where he ends up,
01:04:37
Speaker
It's going to be interesting because from a quarterback perspective, there's almost nowhere he can go where he'll go to a better quarterback situation. But he'll likely go somewhere where he'll be number one receiver. So let's just say Buffalo, literally just throwing something out here. Like Diggs ends up leaving Buffalo, and T. Higgins goes to Buffalo. I think T. Higgins would be a monster in Buffalo because that's an offense where if you get a lot of targets and opportunity
01:05:05
Speaker
I'm sure I'll say, I don't hate Mike Williams. I just like, I think Mike Williams is a good asset. Like I would have been happy to have Mike Williams and T. Higgins on the Giants. Let me ask you this. But that is what they are. Like I don't think he is an elite. I don't think he's a top 10 guy. Mike Williams has been in the league for five years at this point. Like is he, is his rookie contract like just up right now? No, he's on a second contract. He's on a second contract. Yeah. I think he's been longer than that. Yeah. Yeah. He's been, he's, he's been in the league for a while now looking them up.
01:05:35
Speaker
There's just so many Mike Williams. I got the right one. He's 29. I'm curious what his second contract was like, because the contract that T Higgins is about to get, I can almost assure you, will be more lucrative than whatever the Chargers gave Mike Williams for his second contract. This was Mike Williams' eighth season. Yeah. So he got a three-year, $60 million contract.
01:06:05
Speaker
OK, so we'll see. I mean, it's a good deal, but we'll see where we'll see what Higgins ends up with. I think it will be. I think it'll be good money, honestly, in that range, for sure. Were they both Clemson guys, too? They were both. They are the same player, dude. I'm telling you this. They are the exact same guy. What was what was the Higgins drafted? What was his pick?
01:06:34
Speaker
T Higgins. I'm pulling it up right now. Let's get it. We're doing it live, people. We're doing it live. Where's the Wikipedia? Here we go. Because Mike Williams was the seventh overall pick. And we got T Higgins. Who's leaving? All right, who's second round pick?
01:06:52
Speaker
So Mike Williams is better. I'd rather have Higgins now for sure if he's going to go somewhere else. Yeah, no, I agree. But Mike Williams had big ears. I'm just saying. They're the same player. Anyway, moving on to the tight end.
01:07:10
Speaker
because that work kind of hits. And this like, it's tight ends. You didn't invest hopefully too much in a lot of these guys.
Disappointing Tight Ends
01:07:17
Speaker
Darren Waller was the one that had the highest hopes. And again, I know I was personally high on it. I know Ryan, you too. A lot of it was injury. A lot of it was offense, but you just had such high hopes and it fell short.
01:07:29
Speaker
uh chig conkwell even though he uh won me that bet uh and he had a decent finish to the year uh you just were expecting so much more and honestly a lot of that the hopkins um signing kind of took some of the targets away which limited upside but
01:07:45
Speaker
I'm still hopeful for him long term. He showed some flashers still and he said I get more involved, but he definitely did not meet the top 10 tight end most people thought you were going to get. And I just want to call Pat Friarmouth. Outside of that one game against, what was it? Was it the Bengals, Joe? Is that the team that you always bet against?
01:08:02
Speaker
He stumped. He was just bad most of the year. So that was someone who many people were viewing as a top 10 Titan Dynasty. I don't think I view him as a top 10 Titan Dynasty Titan after this year, but I don't know if you guys have any other Titan thoughts here.
01:08:17
Speaker
I mean, Darren Waller has got to be the biggest one, potentially the biggest miss we've talked about, except for maybe one of the two of the quarterbacks. He was literally being drafted as the tight end three. I saw some drafts where he was even going as like the tight end two. Sometimes people were super, super high on him going into this year. And yeah, it was a complete bust of a year for him, um, mostly probably because of the offense. So maybe turns it around a little bit next year, but.
01:08:44
Speaker
The hopes you had for him this preseason I think are pretty much gone. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it's just what comes to mind. Kelsey, disappointing. We talked about him a little bit earlier. I'm sure we'll talk about him again coming up. Dallas Goddard, I mean, he's relevant for me here in this league because I took him with a reasonably high pick in our startup.
01:09:09
Speaker
And he didn't end up, I think he finished as the tight end 14 on the year, which is still pretty strong considering he goosed in week one, and then missed three games with injury in the middle of the season. But it just didn't feel like he was as involved in the offense as you want him to be. And this probably goes back to what we were just saying about the Philly offense, where there's a lot of mouths to feed from an offense that runs first.
01:09:38
Speaker
you know, not all that different of a case to make for his situation moving forward as we were just kind of making for Davante Smith as they're just non A.J. Brown pieces in an offense where there's a lot of mouths to feed and they do a lot on the ground. Probably not the best situation for him, but
01:10:03
Speaker
All right, because I have Trey McBride, so that's right. We upgraded. But with that, uh, saying now that we've seen this, some of the hits and misses going into next year and we've touched upon a lot of players already, but, uh, if there's any other place you want to shout out or ones we want to kind of reiterate on is going into next year, what players do you think are going to start rising in value? Maybe like a Trey McBride, which like shoots up and you want to try to potentially start targeting this off season, uh, or maybe.
01:10:32
Speaker
tell other people that they maybe should be going into. I can jump into some of them, but kind of want to open the floor up to you guys if there's any certain players that you think people should be kind of looking into that are on the up and up. I think one that we talked about is Rashad White. And I say that just because we saw Joe's response right away, which I feel like is the community's response. People just don't believe in him. So if you do, I feel like you can get a pretty good discount on him, a guy that could have another top 10 running back season.
01:11:03
Speaker
Um, Ty Chandler is another one who, you know, ended the year looking pretty good. And, you know, who knows what happens there next year. If he does end up being the guy or at least a one a one B type situation, he could be pretty valuable and you could probably get them really cheap right now. I would think, um, on the wide receiver side, you know, the commander wide receivers, if they do get a new quarterback, maybe
01:11:32
Speaker
Their value does potentially shoot up. Another guy, Christian Kirk, he was having an amazing year until he got injured. We talked about Evan Ingram. If they keep all those pieces and Lawrence has a decent or even better year next year, I think he'll be pretty valuable again too. Yeah, Christian Kirk, I like the call because I feel like people kind of forgot now because he's been hurt so long.
01:11:59
Speaker
just how solid he was that I feel like he is someone he could probably sneakily snag in a trade or maybe have a larger trade and kind of get him as another person out in there. So that'd be someone I'd be thrown in. There were some watchers that like Jaden Reed is someone I,
01:12:14
Speaker
I was growing on him throughout the year and I think he might be the best wide receiver in Green Bay. He had a lot of touchdowns. He's almost like a debo light the way they use him and he makes plays. I can't get off the Shaheed train. I just love for Shaheed. I think he's truly the wide receiver too in that offense going forward.
01:12:35
Speaker
still think he's so cheap that you could probably get him. Of course, every time I target them, the person knows that I'm high on them, so they treat this guy like he's a top 24 wide receiver. I'm like, come on, man, this is like a barely a top 40 wide receiver. But that's definitely someone I'd be targeting as well. And obviously, there's players you can give a shot on. Bijon, maybe there's a disgruntled owner. Good luck. I'm a Bijon owner. I don't think I would do too much there.
01:13:03
Speaker
He was going into this year as the RB1 in Dynasty. He may be down to like, I don't know, the RB5. So, like, there is potential that you're getting a discount there, but those are the type of things that I would at least kick the tires on there. John, I don't know if you have a couple thoughts on anyone. Yeah, despite the frustrations with me, John, and there was a lot of frustrations, he still finished this year as the running back 9. So, it's really only, uh, we can, you know,
01:13:32
Speaker
As an owner, I think it would be, you know, I had frustrations and I definitely kicked the tires on moving him
Rising Fantasy Stars
01:13:39
Speaker
this year. But the fact that there's going to be new coaching coming in and the offense will look different next year and hopefully they'll have somewhat of a functional quarterback. You know, I think I think he's still way, way up there in terms of, you know, if you were doing a dynasty startup draft right now,
01:14:01
Speaker
I don't know how you guys would value your running backs, but I think he's up there. I still think I'm still taking Bijon first. Bijon, it's Bijon Gibbs, Breese, and CMC are the three there, but those are the clear-cut four for me. Maybe I throw an H-hand. I don't know. Those are the clear-cut four for me. But when you factor in age, it's probably the first three in a startup I'd be going for first.
01:14:31
Speaker
Yeah. And honestly, I wouldn't, you can argue any of those three being RV ones. So, but I'm fine with that. From a wide receiver standpoint, um, yeah, I was thinking, I was saying, you know, Christian Kirk injury. I feel like you should have added that to the list of, um, excuses why Trevor Lawrence stunk this year.
01:14:51
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of excuses. Uh, Ridley was not that great. Uh, I thought they were, uh, leveling up for a true wide receiver one. So that's a, I'm a wish list as, uh, we're going to have there. We're going to have a wish list, uh, for the off season and get more. It's a true wide receiver one.
Bears' Draft & Trade Moves
01:15:08
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't, I think Ridley will.
01:15:13
Speaker
find a new home but I agree he still he's he can still produce I'm not I'm not totally out on I don't think bad just don't think he's like the alpha one that you like you're trying to yeah or that they even thought that they actually yeah
01:15:28
Speaker
Yeah, other couple sneaky ones. I already mentioned Jordan Love before, so I don't feel the need to get into that. But if I would be looking into trying to get Kyler or Fields just to see what it takes to get them, because there's a chance that they're going to be thrown to Marvin Harrison Junior next year. And their value is going to skyrocket. The Bears don't trade Fields, and they trade back, or they just go Marvin at one.
01:15:56
Speaker
three quarter bash go in a row with all the trades going on and the Cardinals get Marvin Harrison. I would be very excited because those guys will be catapulted easily into the top 10, but maybe even like top seven, top five next year. So I at least kick the tire, see if you can get them on the cheap there. Because they had, Kyler had a disappointing year overall, fields head up and down, so you might build them cheaper. And then
01:16:23
Speaker
Ted and I know Ryan, you talked about Angram, but in jokus when we haven't really mentioned because I know Joe hates him. No, but like he finally put it together and he had a monster monster like back after this year with flack out. So that's another guy that.
01:16:39
Speaker
Who knows if people believe or not, but he has all the physical attributes and he was drafted to be this type of tight end and it's finally coming together.
Evaluating Tight End Trade Values
01:16:47
Speaker
Might be someone, depending on your league, if people value tight ends, you could get, again, as a throw into a larger deal. The problem with him though is he has to go back to Watson next year. He's literally finished as the tight end six because of Flacco. Just force a trade to wherever Flacco goes.
01:17:05
Speaker
Yeah, and I honestly liked what I saw from Dalton Kincaid this year, and I would love to be rising on him, but I think that Dalton Knox is still under contract for, I think it's like at least two more years before they can, and it might even be three. So unfortunately, it's going to be a two-headed mobster with, you know, those, we had those three or four games in the middle of the season where Knox was out with the injury, where Kincaid was a smash, and I just kind of think, you know, Knox got the touchdown last week,
01:17:35
Speaker
Kincaid got six targets to Knox's two or three targets. So it's just going to be a game with those two for the near term, trying to decide where the value is. Yeah, it's really annoying when teams have multiple large featured white tight ends. It's very hard to keep track of what's going on there. But on the flip side, who are some players that you're trying to get out from, or maybe now
01:18:05
Speaker
peak value. I know, Joe, you were kind of mentioned this earlier, but there are certain players like you think this is peak value, you kind of want to trade them and get out from it. Or it's just like you think their value could already be declining, but you want to get out before the
Trading Players at Peak Value
01:18:16
Speaker
wheels fall off. Kind of like if you had Dalvin Cook going into this past season, you may want to try to get out from it. And he is worthless now. If you get a fifth round pick, you'd be excited. So are there any players that you're trying to move on? Obviously, there's some like obvious names. A lot of the aging players that we mentioned
01:18:32
Speaker
a lot of the running backs Kelsey seems like one that everyone's kind of like Trying to maybe move on from especially with all these young and hot tight ends coming up But I don't know if there's other names I kind of jump out you guys Yeah, I mean I'm personally we talked about Kelsey a couple times the position I'm in with Kelsey where is basically Really hoping that he has a strong playoffs and if he does have a strong playoffs then I'll look to sell him in the offseason or
01:19:02
Speaker
not two cents on the dollar, but try to capitalize on the value because, yeah, there were off-field distractions this year, which I think contributed to his slight lack of production. He also just looked slow. He looked like he was running in quicksand compared to even Noah Gray, who's just like the extra
01:19:26
Speaker
B2, you know additional white tight end that Casey has to back up Kelsey I feel like for the second half of the year anytime there was like a big dynamic downfield target to It was no great. I know so if you're in a league where anybody will still Have a league member who is Going to attribute any value to JK Dobbins He can be officially
01:19:56
Speaker
moved on from. Yeah. And I was able to do it this year. He's just family still has value in our league. Body is cold already. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens there. Gus Edwards actually had a really good year, but he's someone I don't think you'd be relying on going into next year. They probably
01:20:23
Speaker
you would think get someone else. But yeah, I think Kelsey is definitely the number one in terms of really valuable assets that you're getting a little worried about and it could all fall apart next year.
Concerns About Player Futures
01:20:34
Speaker
Yeah. One guy that I feel like you could still potentially get value for is Josh Jacobs. I have concerns about him. Obviously, he had a bit of a down year and he was injured a bit, but he was playing in the franchise tag this year. It's going to be
01:20:51
Speaker
new coach new regime don't know what they're gonna do there I don't know if they're gonna want to pay him I don't know where he's gonna end up so I would try to like who knows maybe his value goes up but I don't know I feel like if you trade him there's a good chance you're not
01:21:04
Speaker
He goes to a better situation not losing value on a trade so but there's a lot of downside wherever he goes So I try to probably move on from him and cash in what you can Wide receivers for me there. I mean I'm personally not high on Godwin I I still think a lot of people have a decent view on him in dynasty I've kind of been out on him for a couple years now Hollywood is someone that I
01:21:29
Speaker
he was pretty bad as you ever people may think like always young maybe get the signs a new contract somewhere and that always gets people excited once they sign a new contract with new teams I just don't think he's gonna be a wide receiver one in any team so maybe you can get some sell a little on the up and up after he signs somewhere and Courtland sudden he just had an insane touchdown rate this past season I just don't see that
01:21:52
Speaker
happening again. So you maybe can convince someone to be like, yeah, he was a solid wide receiver too this year. You definitely trade for him because I think his production is going to drop next year. But those are some of the guys I just wanted to call out for you. Yeah, I would agree on that. Coastside. Coastside. And then who are some players that you just don't know what to do with?
01:22:18
Speaker
It could be either injury, coaching situation, team, but players can go certain ways. I mean, one guy I'd want to call out is Herbert, Justin Herbert, because he was going in as like a top five quarterback. He had some good weeks, but now it's going to have a new coach losing weapons. It's kind of hard to see what's going to happen there. I don't know where you guys are feeling.
01:22:44
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I'd still be high on Herbert, but you're right. We've talked a lot about the Chargers offensive weapons, this podcast alone, and you kind of don't really know what's going to happen there. But he did have a solid year, and I still think he's a top quarterback that you'd want to have over a lot of others. Mahomes is another one we've talked a lot about.
01:23:07
Speaker
I think he's still in that top tier, but he didn't have that top season this year. Does it really turn around and he's back in the top one-two next year? I don't know. I'm not concerned there and he's definitely a valuable QB one, but if you were starting a draft today, I don't know if he would definitely still go one or two overall. Yeah, I mean with Justin Herbert,
01:23:36
Speaker
I wouldn't be looking to pay top dollar and overpay, but I think that he'd probably be somebody who I would be willing to kick the tires on looking to acquire with an owner who might potentially be a little bit down on the situation with their weapons. Staley was more of a defensive minded coach and there's a little bit of
01:24:02
Speaker
an opportunity for a blank slate, see who they bring in there next, a QB. I don't think he had a terrible year and from a dynasty standpoint, you know, I think there's still much brighter days ahead for someone with the arm talent that he has. You know, you could say what you will about their propensity to blow close games and kind of like melt in the clutch moments, but you know, that's not exactly
01:24:30
Speaker
but we're always targeting with fantasy. So I still like him. I think he would still be somebody that I'd be willing to trade for. Yeah, I think that's probably how, for me, I mean, the fact that he doesn't run certainly isn't ideal, but I'm still in. I'm not out on Justin Herbert just yet.
01:24:57
Speaker
Yeah, a couple other guys. I'm curious guys thoughts on obviously we touched upon Stefan
Analysis of Top Wide Receivers
01:25:01
Speaker
Diggs. He might be moving on Cooper cup Consistency consistency wasn't there this year and because you had the emergence of Kyron and puka and Stafford is obviously getting an older So that's an interesting one Mark Cooper
01:25:14
Speaker
What court like the quarterback he's gonna have and he obviously had some huge games to flash though He did good with Watson as well though. So the interesting Davante Adams he had flashes this year, but like there's rumors He's gonna get traded to the Jets now So like I don't know if you are worried about him or you're trying to get him but of those guys Which ones are are you still do you feel is very murky or he ones that you want to get in on or get out on?
01:25:40
Speaker
I would be looking to get out on Cup. It's actually weird, right? Between the two, you would think that you'd be, that Cooper would be the one that you'd be more uncertain about between Cup and Cooper. But as someone who owns both, I think that I'm more, I think that I'm looking probably to capitalize, again, similar situation with Cup where
01:26:10
Speaker
Um, depending on how he looks in the playoffs, I think going into next year, he's not going to, I mean, you could tell this year he was, he, he just wasn't the top option in that offense anymore. And I don't necessarily know that he's going to, you know, reclaim that position the older he gets. So I think if you can still get value for cup, um, and you know, roll him into somebody who, you know, maybe won't produce as much.
01:26:39
Speaker
you know, next year, but we'll, we'll have a little bit more longevity. I think that, uh, I would be, I, I personally would be looking to, to move him. Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say. Cup's the one who I would probably be trying to move. I think you could still get pretty high wide receiver, one value. And he's got to be the one that it's a little murky going into next year. He didn't have that.
01:27:07
Speaker
great of a year this year and Puca obviously emerged and he's the one who's likely going to take over that wide receiver one role. So he's the one I'd be most concerned about. And then Diggs, I think it's just interesting to see what happens. You know, does he stay? Does he leave? That is going to change a lot of things for him. So I think you got to wait and see what happens before you move him.
01:27:32
Speaker
Yeah, I think the playoffs be very telling on what goes on. If they go far and potentially win Super Bowl, I think that'll mend any problems they have going on in Buffalo. But yeah, moving on, I guess, going into the offseason, because again, this is the more fun time.
Offseason Wishes & Fears
01:27:50
Speaker
for Dynasty. What is on your wish list? What's one thing that you are hoping to see happen this offseason, whether it be a hiring, a trade, draft, or signing, whatever? And one thing, you're terrified of happening. And it could be personal. It could be for your own personal benefit on your teams or not.
01:28:07
Speaker
So it's funny because you kind of just said my one wish. I'm counting this right now as the fantasy offseason and I really want to see the Bills win the Super Bowl because I just think that mends so much between Allen and Diggs going into next year. If they win a game and lose to Kansas City or something like that in the second game,
01:28:29
Speaker
I think it's just going to be devastating for them. I think Diggs leaves. And then I think Allen's Valley takes a little bit of a hit going into next year. So my wish list is for a Bill's Super Bowl so that they're all happy in Buffalo. What about you, Joe? I'm going to say Marvin Harrison Jr. to Arizona would be my wish because selfishly, as somebody who's in on Tyler,
01:28:58
Speaker
in our particular SuperFlex dynasty league and with the aging, but still productive. Matthew Stafford has my QB2. If I could lock in Kyler with Marvin Harrison Jr. and Trey McBride as his two big targets next year. I think I would feel better about Kyler. Especially if you land the 101. If they were to add
01:29:25
Speaker
a young, dynamic wide receiver to that offense. I'm still high on Kyler, but that would be a huge bump to his value.
01:29:36
Speaker
And mine wouldn't help me in this league, help me in other leagues, but, uh, is get, uh, in Atlanta, have the head coach become Ben Johnson is the OC from, uh, Detroit lions, uh, without offenses dominated and also make sure that the, uh, Falcons get a real quarterback as well. And just finally, finally see what these highly drafted offensive weapons can do. And honestly, I think they have, what is it? The eighth pick for like the fourth year in a row. Now, again, like.
01:30:04
Speaker
Maybe they draft like another crazy wide receiver tight end who knows but like just get get these guys the ball and let's see what can happen I just want to see that because I do have bajan chairs other where have pits at other spots So I I want to see these guys succeed Well, what else are you what about being terrified? What is something that you're dreading could because obviously players values can change an instant based on signings Arthur Smith coming and coaching your team
Potential Impact of Trades & Drafts
01:30:29
Speaker
or what? So What are you guys worried about happening? What about start with you, right?
01:30:34
Speaker
I mean, selfishly, I would have to say it's the Rams getting another running back, whether they acquire someone or draft someone. Kyren's value is sky high right now. And if anything happens there in the running back room, it's going to tank. So I'm really holding on to hope that he stays the RB1 there with no real competition into next year. Yeah, for me, I guess it's
01:31:02
Speaker
We talked a lot about some of these wide receivers that I'm excited or were excited about where they end up. And I just don't know. I'm hoping that they don't end up in New England because I just don't, I'm not necessarily, I can already tell I'm not going to be high on the Pats offense next year. It's looking like it's going to be a Jayden Daniels likely situation I had to say, but who's to say that they even take Daniels there? What if they try to trade for a quarterback?
01:31:33
Speaker
And then draft Marvin Harrison Jr., which would be a catastrophe, just because now Marvin Harrison is potentially getting wasted on the Patriots offense. So that would be not ideal. You know, someone like T Higgins, who I'm excited about, his landing spot ending up in New England, that would be not ideal.
01:31:51
Speaker
So yeah, I mean, I hate to dump on the Pats and maybe they'll surprise me a little bit next year, but just the way they look this year, I don't know that their offense is just gonna like suddenly turn it around and be dynamic again next year. So from a fantasy standpoint, let's try and keep these productive and exciting wide receivers out of New England.
01:32:13
Speaker
Yeah, Marvin Harrison Jr. going to the paths would be a nightmare, especially because the paths just ruin round one wide receivers. Just don't do it. Yeah, one. So I mean, that's definitely what I'm worried about. Another one that I'm worried about, but I already know is happening is the commander's draft at quarterback.
01:32:31
Speaker
They're going to do that. But the other real one that is just that if Miami gets another running back is most starts getting older. So you're going to assume that hopefully next year, a chance starts taking more of that lead. But if for some reason they do bring in another running back with somewhat high investment, whether it be draft capital, like day to draft capital or
01:32:54
Speaker
or they sign someone with some decent money just because they don't want to give HN the workload.
NFL Playoffs Predictions
01:32:59
Speaker
Would not like to see that because HN is electric and I don't want to see his value go down. So that one is a little selfish because my first one wasn't as selfish.
01:33:08
Speaker
But yeah, we'll see. A lot to unfold and unpack this offseason, and we'll try to keep you guys updated as that goes on. But right now, we've got the NFL playoffs. And I thought it'd be fun, first of all, to kind of just preview what we think's going to happen by breaking down our own NFL playoff bracket before closing out the show. So Ryan, want to start us off with how your playoff bracket is looking?
01:33:30
Speaker
Yeah, sure, I'll run through it quick. So round one in the AFC, I went Cleveland over Texans. I'm going Flacco all the way. Would love to see them even win another game or two. I'm going the Chiefs over Miami, and I'm going Buffalo over Pittsburgh. And then round one in the NFC, I'm going Philly over Tampa Bay. I'm going to actually go the Rams over the Lions, and I'm going to go Dallas over Green Bay.
01:33:58
Speaker
And then in round two, AFC, I'm going to go Baltimore over Cleveland, although I would really love to see Cleveland over Baltimore there. Sorry, Schluter. And then just to reverse jinx it, because I want Buffalo to win the Super Bowl, I'm going to go with Kansas City over Buffalo here. Really hoping that they don't do that to Buffalo again, but we'll see.
01:34:21
Speaker
And then in the NFC, I'm going to go San Francisco over the Rams and Dallas over Philly. In the AFC Conference Championship game, I'm actually going to go with the Chiefs over Baltimore. I'm just scared of them making a run in the playoffs here. And in NFC, I'm actually going to go with Dallas over San Francisco as well.
01:34:46
Speaker
In the Super Bowl, I'm going to give it to Dallas over Kansas City. Don't hate me, you Giants fans, but have to do it. You're going to hate yourself for that. I like it. It's a spicy bracket, but we'll see. Spicy bracket. I don't think there's a lot of overlap in most of our breaks.
Super Bowl Predictions
01:35:06
Speaker
I shouldn't see Joey's. Joe, why don't you reveal yours so we can see if there's going to be a lot of overlap or not.
01:35:11
Speaker
Yeah, so I'll jump in in the AFC first round. I was the same as you ride dog. I had Cleveland, Casey and Buffalo advancing and then Cleveland over Baltimore. Sorry Schluter, but I think Baltimore is going to meet the same end. That they met in the Mars MVP season where they had to buy and then an in superior AFC team with a decent defense is going to come into Baltimore and take him down. Uh, I love Ryan Tannehill and.
01:35:41
Speaker
Buffalo over Kansas City and then Buffalo over Cleveland in the conference championship to make it to the Super Bowl and then in the NFC Philly over Tampa Bay the Rams over the Lions and the Cowboys over the Packers the 49ers and the Cowboys advancing to the conference championship and the 49ers beating Dallas and the NFC championship game and
01:36:04
Speaker
and then beating Buffalo in the Super Bowl. So San Francisco over Buffalo is my Super Bowl prediction. Sorry, Ryan. All right. I mean, we got the same Super Bowl champion job, but different paths to get there. So in the AFC, I got Cleveland over Texans. I think we all got that. I actually have Miami beating the Chiefs. I think that's going to happen. They are just
01:36:26
Speaker
I think that there's a big chink in the armor in Kansas City there. Although the weather would be bad, but I do think that the Dolphins can run the ball and I think they'll be okay with it. And Buffalo beating Pitt. Then I got Baltimore beating Miami in that showdown and Buffalo taking out Cleveland, the way those seedlings work out. And then in the championship, I got Baltimore taking out Buffalo, which I think will be a great game, but I do think
01:36:52
Speaker
I don't fully trust Buffalo at this time going up against a defense like that, so I'm going with Baltimore. And then in the end of Seaside, I actually got Tampa Bay beating Philly because I think Philly has looked bad. I think their secondary is pretty rough, and I think Evans and Baker are going to light them up. Then we got Rams over the Lions and Dallas over Green Bay.
01:37:14
Speaker
Sam Fran is going to take out the Rams. Dallas is going to take out Tampa Bay. So Sam Fran and Dallas meeting in the conference championship with Sam Fran taking out Dallas and then Sam Fran moving on and taking out the Ravens in the Super Bowl. So your Super Bowl champs will be, uh, one of the most dominant teams all year, but it'll be a pretty good Super Bowl. I think if, uh, and that used to be, was that the old Harbor brothers bowl that we had there too? So a nice little rematch. Sure. What?
01:37:41
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, I'm excited for the playoffs. Trying to make a lot of money on it. We'll see. We'll see what happens, but we'll have some group bets, I'm sure. But thank you guys for listening. Hope you had a great regular season. Get ready for the off season. We'll definitely be putting up pods in the off season as well. Obviously, the frequency will be a little less frequent, but we'll be making sure to get some content out so you guys know how to manage your team accurately. But any final words from my crew here?
01:38:10
Speaker
I just thanks for listening everyone 20 episodes and we look forward to doing this for you guys over the summer as well. Yeah, let's keep it rolling. And if you have any ideas for segments or things you want to hear on the offseason, just reach out. We can make it happen. We are here to please. All right. Well, that said, thank you guys again for listening. Really appreciate it and enjoy the offseason. Rest up.
01:38:58
Speaker
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