Introduction and Host Intros
00:00:24
dtmr
what Welcome in to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. I'm your host Dave Reed joined by my co-host Joey Gallo and Ryan Wilkinson. How you boys doing?
00:00:38
Ryan
Doing good, not ah doing super great in fantasy, sitting at one and two in both of my legs, but you know still early, hoping to turn it around a little bit.
00:00:48
Joey
Yeah, we're we're hanging in. We're like the Giants right now. We're down 14 to 9 at the half. We're not looking great, but we're we're getting by. We're hanging in.
00:00:58
dtmr
Yeah. i Unfortunately, I cannot relate because your boys three and Oh, baby Randy, Randy division, despite the haters.
00:01:07
dtmr
Uh, no, no, it's been, uh, honestly, my division is, I've been the only team that hasn't had a massive amount of injuries. So I'm kind of just surviving through attrition, but I'll take it.
00:01:18
dtmr
It doesn't matter. Um, long season board.
00:01:20
Ryan
That's the name again.
00:01:20
Joey
Yeah, you take him how you can get him.
NFL Game Highlights and Features
00:01:24
dtmr
But yeah, how did you guys ah enjoy last week? How did the game decide from your fantasy teams?
00:01:29
Joey
Yeah, it was a weird week, but. um I thought that the breaths of games in the afternoon slate was was was kind of nice, like five games and the higher total games are in the afternoon and.
00:01:45
Joey
ah Yeah, it was just like that was nice to just like in the middle of the afternoon or the middle of like the morning slate Not feel like I was like, you know two or three shitty games and then the day's over It was five good games and then a good Sunday night game.
00:01:59
Joey
So I wish they would do that more often, but yeah
00:02:03
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, two two games on Monday night as well.
00:02:07
Ryan
um You know, having that first Monday night game start a little earlier was nice too, so you can actually watch a good chunk of both games.
00:02:15
dtmr
Yeah, it it was definitely nice. I like to have it because I almost get the Sunday scares too early. If ah there's only like three games in the afternoon, like this made me, I was like, Oh no, I'm having like a full day.
00:02:24
dtmr
This is, this is nice. And the Monday night, like I always thought it's kind of weird that they staggered, like they have them at the same time, but they staggered them at a good enough time where the halftime is overlapped.
Injury Updates and Impact Discussion
00:02:34
dtmr
So you were always having at least some type of football going on, which was kind of nice as well.
00:02:38
dtmr
And, uh, you know, with YouTube TV, not a sponsor. But they have the dual split screen, which was pretty awesome, because I just had both games on at the same time, going back and forth. I also had some pretty big bets on those games that came in on Monday night. So I was going back and forth, like, come on, what's going to happen here? But yeah, overall is a lot of fun. And we're weak in some of the outcomes, but forcing not as many injuries as we've experienced through the first two weeks, but still a couple of injuries that we want to keep an eye on. So just going to run through them pretty quickly.
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dtmr
A quarterback, Justin Herbert, he was going into the game with a bum ankle. He left early. He re-aggravated that ankle. Taylor Heineck, he came in to replace him. X-rays are negative. Sounds like he might play this week, actually, but they have a week five bye. So if the team wants to be cautious, they may sit and we'll see how that goes.
00:03:29
dtmr
Sam Darnold did lead the game briefly with a knee injury. Came back in though. Sounds like it was a bone bruise and should be good to go this week. And Jordan Love, he ultimately sat week three. Green Bay won. Malik Willis actually looked pretty good. I believe it was against his old team anyway. And he actually has a real shout out to Jordan Love at playing this week against the Vikings. So we'll see how that goes.
00:03:51
dtmr
A wide receiver, Devonta Smith got concussed on a pretty nasty, kind of dirty looking hit to be honest. So he's likely going to be out this week. Adam Thielen is on the IR with a hamstring injury after making a great touchdown catch. So he went out on top. Tinktel has a pretty painful rib injury. He's day to day, but it's looking like he's probably going to miss this week. And at tight end, Sam LaPorta has a low ankle sprain currently day to day. Don't know how that's going to trend yet. Trey McBride.
00:04:21
dtmr
Had a concussion, he's looking very questionable for week four in a plus plus matchup that you would love for him to be in, but it's very much questionable. And George Kittle missed last week, but he liked a limited practice today on Thursday.
00:04:33
dtmr
So there's actually a decent chance he gets in, which could take a couple of targets away from him. Someone will talk about a little bit later, but any of those injuries that I do, anything you think I missed at all,
Debate on Jordan Love's Return
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dtmr
I think but everything else to kind of spill it previous weeks, I think.
00:04:46
Ryan
Yeah, I just think that the tight end landscape is brutal. I mean, La Porta and McBride are supposed to be two of your top tight ends and now they're a little bit injured. So it's hard to get a consistent startable tight end right now. And then I don't know if you're the Packers and you're winning. Do you rush Jordan Loveback? Do you maybe let him sit another game? I feel like there's no real need there to get him in, but it sounds like you might play.
Betting Insights and NFL Predictions
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Ryan
So we'll see if he ends up out there.
00:05:18
Joey
Yeah, it's a tough call, right? um At home in division, it's a game that he, like he being love, really like obviously wants to be out there for, so it's probably tough to get him to sit if he was close to playing last week. He probably will play, I think. I'm excited to see.
00:05:41
Joey
ah him back out there for the whole Green Bay offense, although like you said, they've been looking pretty good with Malik Willis, so. ah Yeah.
00:05:49
Ryan
Yeah, definitely be good for their wide receivers.
00:05:53
Ryan
Teams been winning and doing okay, but wide receivers for fantasy has not been great.
00:05:58
dtmr
For sure. And and and the Vikings are actually a very strong defense. There's actually one of the reasons why I bet Caesar Strads under yards last week and he had a terrible game. So I'm not sure how Malik Willis would fare if Strad is getting shut up shaken by him, but also like, as Joe mentioned, it's an indivision game.
00:06:16
dtmr
And they're three, you know, the Vikings. So if they win that, they're going to be two games back. So it is actually kind of a ported game for the Packers to try and get a win there. I feel like he's probably going to go and I'm, I think some of the books actually have them on there. So I think they're winning that way as well.
00:06:32
Joey
Yeah, and then I think the all the other thing I wanted to mention um in regards to the wide receivers, I feel like there's going to be some good value created by some of these injuries. like um So no, no,
00:06:46
dtmr
Don't say on dots and do nots.
Quarterback Performances and Rookies
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Joey
Although i was thinking I was thinking about it, frankly.
00:06:54
Joey
And it might be it might be a thing.
00:06:55
dtmr
Don't do it. Don't do it, Joe.
00:06:59
Joey
um houston at home against Jacksonville, who is terrible. And if tank Dell does not play, I think that's a get right game for CJ Stroud.
00:07:11
Joey
So I would be looking to play. um Nico Collins over like I was.
00:07:18
Joey
What I was thinking was maybe like the alternate over 100 yards. I just kind of feel like it's going to be a big game for him and. um that That might be worth a look in a game where I think the Texans, like I said, the offense is is looking to get back on track and Philly. I'll let you talk about.
00:07:39
Joey
ah Carolina later because you know I think lots of opportunity with, I wouldn't i wouldn't wouldn't necessarily say you know opportunity as much as reinforcement for the guys that are out there.
00:07:52
Joey
um like you know Last week I found myself trying to choose between Adam Thielen and Deontay Johnson for props and parlies and touchdown score, granted they both scored.
00:08:01
Joey
um At least this week you don't really have to choose, you can just hammer away on Deontay Johnson. And Philly, I just, I think I'm gonna just keep writing Saquon Barkley until ah that stops working successfully because right now I just kind of feel like, especially if both of their starting wide receivers are out in the passing game,
00:08:22
Joey
um you know he gets targets to begin with i think he'll continue to get targets so and i mean he gets his red zone usage is pretty absurd so yeah sake one barkley is really good and uh i think they said on on uh when they were doing the recap on the ballers this week that he would be in contention for number one if they were if you were redrafting right now he would probably be in contention for first overall which it's hard to disagree with because it's just it's been
00:08:52
Joey
pretty yeah multiple touchdowns and what three out of the four or two out of the four. So pretty, pretty good. Pretty good.
00:09:00
dtmr
Also, this is a we're not in the gambling session, but I still don't understand why the Eagles are favored in that game. But but I'm um going along the box. They're playing the box, right? So I don't see how I don't see it.
00:09:12
dtmr
I don't see how the Eagles offense does much outside of Barkley and the Bucks offense should do plenty against that defense. But I digress is not the gambling session, but I'm just knowing that out there doesn't make sense today.
00:09:23
Joey
I think for what it's worth, i I think the line opened and immediately got that down.
00:09:29
dtmr
Yeah, it's still like minus one and a half or minus two or something like that, but I don't get it.
00:09:32
Ryan
I mean, the Bucks also didn't look great last week. So it's not it's not like we're talking to Powerhouse Team.
00:09:38
dtmr
Yeah, but I think they were, they played the Lions last week.
00:09:41
dtmr
I think the Lions are significantly better than the current week Eagles.
00:09:45
Joey
yeah Yeah. You know, again, what?
00:09:46
Ryan
Now I think they played the Broncos.
00:09:49
Joey
Not now. Yeah, the Broncos. Yeah.
00:09:51
dtmr
That was it. You're right.
00:09:52
Joey
Yeah. Like not the gambling section, but for what it's worth, I feel like there are like at least three games this week. And they're the first three that I'm like looking at on the slate where it just like based upon last week, uh, the choice feels so obvious.
00:10:07
Joey
And I think I might just go the other way in both. Right.
00:10:09
Joey
So like, yeah, jets at home laying seven and a half against Denver. If it it feels like Denver coming off last week, it's just like, Oh, come on. Like, you know, They can cover seven and a half against the Jets. The Jets run the ball a lot. They haven't been that impressive. And then next one, Carolina, getting four and a half at home against terrible Bengals. Again, seems seems really obvious. Carolina plus four and a half. And then we just talked about Tampa Bay ah at home or you know plus one and a half against Philly.
00:10:41
Joey
i you know like it just
00:10:43
dtmr
i almost feel like vegas is bathing me into bad bets but
00:10:45
Joey
Yeah, it just feels like I might have to take the Jets and the Bengals.
00:10:52
Joey
And I'm not taking Philly, so maybe not that one.
00:10:55
dtmr
ah definitely not take
00:10:56
Joey
But the Jets and the Bengals might be worth a look, but we'll see.
Rookie Running Backs Analysis
00:11:00
dtmr
But getting back into week three, now that we have three weeks into the season, starting to see some trends and storylines of how the season is developing.
00:11:08
dtmr
Kind of want to just touch upon and kind of get your guys thoughts, you know, opine a little bit on how you think this is trending. But first, thing that stuck out to me is just how bad a lot of the perceived top quarterbacks have been playing. I feel like there have only been like maybe three to four really good quarterback play from the players you actually expected good quarterback play out of Mahomes has been real bad. I think the ballers talk about he's had like One game with 20 points dating back to last season of like 13 straight weeks.
00:11:38
dtmr
He's like, he's just not putting up points He's got bad weapons for sheep rice not a downfield threat Kelsey looks washed and worthy looks kind of like Hardman Which I said in preseason last two weeks to catches for 17 yards CJ strat is disappointed a bit so far this might be a get what get right week But to this point not that great hurts was terrible Last week and he says more turnovers this year than Daniel Jones has I think you might actually a double
00:12:03
dtmr
Lawrence, which I know a lot of people here hate. He looks worse each every week so far. So I'm just going to say he does look worse than Anthony Richardson. It looks like a rookie. This past week was one of the worst quarterback play games out there. But how are you guys feeling about the overall quarterback play that you've seen, especially especially from the perceived top half?
00:12:24
Ryan
Yeah, I think we've talked about it quite a bit, especially Mahomes. You know, he finished almost outside of the the top 10 last year and coming into this year, it's just been more of the same and Hertz has actually been decent for fantasy. I think he had over 20 fantasy points, two of the three games, but definitely not looking like a you know top five QB where you were probably drafting him and then
00:12:47
dtmr
Yeah, that was also a lot of rushing, so I'm thinking more of me.
00:12:49
Ryan
Yeah, no, it's it's mostly rushing and quarterbacking hasn't been great.
00:12:50
dtmr
Actual quarterbacking. Yeah.
00:12:55
Ryan
And like you said, Lawrence and Richardson just not looking great. Richardson yeah did miss last year, so I guess we can kind of count him as a rookie and he's having some growing pains. But Lawrence at this point, you know, I know.
00:13:08
Ryan
It's a heated debate in our league a lot, but I was always on the positive side and kind of, you know, viewed him a little higher than everyone else, but you definitely got to start to question that at this point. He just has not been able to turn it around at all. Um, so it'll be interesting to see what happens there. And then we talked about it last week, just some surprising quarterbacks, you know, having a really hot starts like a Sam Darnold or a Derek Carr.
00:13:33
Ryan
you know I know Baker Mayfield wasn't great last week, but the first two weeks looked great. So kind of a a bit of a change up in the quarterbacks compared to what we thought going into the season.
00:13:45
Joey
Yeah. And I mean, it kind of like, I think if you were to ask me what my thoughts on like the first three weeks would it be like holistically about, you know, just like the overall league, it would be, you know, like a lot of surprising teams that we didn't really expect to be looking really good. Obviously like Minnesota is a good example. um Pittsburgh's defense is better than it even historically has been. It seems right. Like they're, they're looking.
00:14:12
Joey
a lot of teams that you weren't really or not a lot, but a handful and it's kind of just, you know, gets back to the parity in the league and at the quarterback position specifically, I'm not totally sure if it's like a defensive type thing like defensive schemes or like the too high safeties, like I don't know, but like offenses have been beating the too high safety and other like creative ways, like You know, like last year, the, you know, so it's not, I don't want to say like it's all, but you know, it's just, uh, in general, i I will say it's been a little surprising to see some of these like big name quarterbacks get off to a slow start, but it also might just be, uh, small sample size. And, you know, like in CJ Strad's case, like Houston, who Houston's looked like a pretty good team and they had a bad week last week. And I got the feeling that.
00:15:02
Joey
after they play Jacksonville at home, we'll have be having a different conversation about them next week. So and, you know, ah like, you know, my home's the Chiefs are winning games.
00:15:14
Joey
So although like he's not really delivering for fantasy, he's still delivering on the field.
00:15:19
Joey
So hard to really hard to really argue that.
00:15:20
dtmr
Yeah, he. Yeah, my homes might be the the new Tom Brady where he was great in the field and no one wanted him on your fantasy team because you just didn't put on points.
00:15:31
dtmr
Yeah, and touch to your point, like the defenses have changed. They've been a lot of zone in the past before and on these two hard safety and men is being played a lot more. So like, I think it it might be small sample size where teams will adjust now that they're seeing how defenses are playing. But offense across the board has kind of been down as a result of these quarter beats quarterbacks being down.
00:15:53
dtmr
So yeah, I mean, I'm hoping to bounce back, but like, right, you did mention it too. There's been quarterbacks that have been popping up that you didn't expect. Like, uh, Jaden Daniels looks absolutely amazing. Um, like.
00:16:04
dtmr
and incredible. So Joe, I know you got him in the rookie draft, uh, this last Monday night football game, like he, we saw it new as good rusher and in college, he was supposed to be a great down till pass, but he didn't see it that much. The first two games of the season, my God, he looked incredible. Like he brought the record, uh, uh, completion percentage by a rookie at like what, 90.1% or something like that. And that last.
00:16:25
dtmr
Throw to Terry mcclorn in the end zone while he was like getting hit to win the game this guy You can already tell like when you saw CJ show up in the games you could tell this guy's different Daniel's looks different, but I don't know if you guys felt the same way But I might very impressed with the rookie so far
00:16:42
Joey
Yeah, no, that his that he made two downfield throws to Maclaurin in that game where I was like very, very hyped after. And overall, I mean, like he just looked like he had so much like control of the whole offense, the whole game.
00:16:58
dtmr
Yeah. Confidence, but like calm.
00:16:59
Joey
um Yeah, you know, like um they went for and a fourth down several times and you just kind of like. felt like he was going to make the right read in the right throw and he hasn't been.
00:17:11
Joey
ah He hasn't been getting blown up too too much from like a running standpoint, which I know is.
00:17:15
dtmr
He did slide a couple of times too. I did.
00:17:17
Joey
Yeah, so you know, I'm I'm excited. It's interesting that. ah You know, like. What what were the we we when we went back and we talked about the top four picks in the rookie draft, it was Caleb Williams, Juan Marvin Harrison, two Malik neighbors, three Jane Daniels, four.
00:17:36
Ryan
and Yeah, I was just going to mention that.
00:17:36
Joey
And with how? Yeah, like with.
00:17:38
Ryan
I was going to say that we got to do that again in a couple of weeks and see where it ends
Wide Receiver Highlights and Injuries
00:17:42
Ryan
But as of right now, you got to question it.
00:17:44
Joey
Yeah, it's it's and it's it's just the quarterbacks, right?
00:17:47
Joey
Like you know if you had to go back and and do it again, right? Like it, you know, maybe you swap Daniels and and Williams. Or you know, I don't even know, but like from a from a wide receiver like from a wide receiver standpoint,
00:18:03
Joey
You know Harrison and neighbors have looked incredible too.
00:18:05
Joey
So with as good as Daniels has been, I still I would you know, if canals offered me ah neighbors for Daniels tomorrow, I take it straight up so.
00:18:14
dtmr
yeah Yeah neighbors and Harrison looked all world and like they're gonna be around for a while watch.
00:18:19
Joey
Yeah, yeah, so it's nice to see the top guys are.
00:18:21
dtmr
Well, we'll talk Can't
00:18:25
Joey
Are looking nice except for Caleb, but.
00:18:28
dtmr
kill true of that but it's still early for him. We'll see what happens there. But yeah, I mean, the one thing, ill just going back to Dan's real quick that I love you mentioned the fourth down. I don't know if you saw it at the end of the game where I think it was like fourth and three and they could have like kicked the field goal, but they wanted to, if they got the first down it would effectively ended or make it much tougher. and Daniel's was like, Adam is like, where we need to go and he was going to coach the coaches like, yes, okay, we'll do this like get it and I'm like, all right, like, there's a lot of rookies would be nervous in that situation he it was in control of the game and there's like that guy is
00:19:02
dtmr
going to be very good. I also want to throw out honorable mention, Andy Dalton. Bryce Young couldn't do anything.
00:19:09
dtmr
Andy Dalton had more points in the first six minutes than Bryce had the first two games. He he went for over 303 touchdowns. They scored like 30-something points. So it kind of really hurts the value of Bryce Young, I feel like.
00:19:23
Ryan
It's so bad for Bryce Young. i mean he Dalton comes in and immediately just turns the offense around and dominates. You got to feel bad for Young because yeah it just made him look that much worse.
00:19:37
dtmr
Yeah, but it elevates the rest of the Panthers weapons, which again, we'll get to later. Another trend I've been seeing is just the rookie running backs. So like every year, one or two rookie running backs always crack the top 24 in scoring for that year. And this year wasn't a strong rookie running back class, but there were four that were probably the top four picked in your draft there.
00:20:00
dtmr
top four, I believe, in the NFL draft. But they haven't done a much. You have Brooks, who's on the IR, coming back hopefully soon. Benson, who hasn't really done nothing anything yet. Quorum is not really getting work. And Marshall Lloyd is back on the IR. The guy just can't get healthy. So they've done nothing but There have been rookie running backs that have been stepping up and Braylon Allen and Bucky Irving who look like massive values right now and could actually push to be a top 24 back is looking like. And you can have like Ray Davis and even Carson Steele now who are technically rookies who are starting to get in. So just want to get your thoughts on like the rookie running back class. And like to me, the takeaway is I'm not drafting rookie running backs early in drafts anymore. I just, I'm going wide receivers and quarterbacks. That's it. But I don't know where you guys are at.
00:20:46
Ryan
I think going into the rookie draft, it was kind of known that it wasn't a great running back class. I don't remember when the first running back was taken in ours, but it was a while into the draft. But yeah, I think, you you know, at least this year you head on some of the later running backs and the ah earlier running backs haven't hit. But, you know, a guy like Carson Steele, I don't think he was even drafted. I think he was picked up off waivers and
00:21:11
Ryan
You know, he had, he had 17 carries. So obviously injuries play a part in some of this, but, um, definitely looking like you can get some running back value later on. And maybe it's not worth taking an early pick on one.
00:21:24
Joey
Yeah, I feel like it's it's way more of a crapshoot, you know, like ah I picked Bucky Irving in a couple ah leagues that I'm in, Dynasty leagues that, you know, I just like, there was one league that we were in with Ray, who was on our pod a couple weeks back, where as soon as I made the pick, he texted me like, really, Bucky Irving?
00:21:45
Joey
um and And it's just like you know a lottery ticket. like At the time, I'm just like, well, Rashad White stinks.
00:21:54
Joey
So let's go with Bucky Irving. right I've watched him play at Oregon. He's pretty explosive. Let's let's go for it.
00:21:59
dtmr
And guess what, Rashad White still stinks.
00:22:01
Ryan
Yes, let's not looking good.
00:22:04
Joey
And like from a redress standpoint, it's frustrating owning these guys, especially early in the season, because that like a lot of them just like The Braylon Allen and Bucky Irving situations are like a little more unique and one-off than rookie wide receivers roywide receivers who like more commonly start out hot. and now i'm stuck with like Trey Benson on my bench and you know leagues where I need running back death and I don't want to drop him because the second I drop him then James Connor is going to get hurt and I'm going to have to throw 100 fab to get him back.
00:22:35
Joey
So he's just burning a roster spot for me and it's you know, it's just a tough, tough situation with the rookie running backs for sure.
Dynasty Startup ADP Trends
00:22:42
dtmr
Yeah. And it also tells me that the NFL is not great at evaluating running backs either. Cause think about like Aylin Irving, Ray Davis, like steal these role leader guys. And they're providing a lot of value on NFL teams. The early round picks are not doing much. And it's not like these guys didn't have like Uh, so solid starters in front of them. That's one of the reasons why brilliant out. I think most people went away from the, a lot of people like him. He's the youngest NFL player, like ever. He's not even 21 yet. Um, and he got fell in the draft to like the fourth or fifth round, I think. And then you got breeze Hall in front of him, but they're going to split time now. I don't think anyone ever thought that breeze Hall would be sporting time with Alan and like Alan's getting like double digit touches. So yeah.
00:23:27
dtmr
It's a crapshooter running back, but if you got these guys, you got pretty good value because I think in rookie dress, they didn't go earlier than like Irving, maybe a little earlier, but that was like late second, probably third or later for most of these guys.
00:23:40
dtmr
But what also will touch down to something like wide receiver love? Just want to talk to Juan Jennings. yeah Got to talk about it. 41 point explosion in our league. I think you went 11 for 12 targets, 11 catches.
00:23:52
dtmr
for 175 and three touchdowns. um We kind of alluded to him at points in the past. I think going into this last week, I mentioned that I was starting him. I was hoping for a big week. That was bigger than I expected. But when did you get your thoughts on Jennings and his outlook moving forward? Because obviously this was someone that wasn't viewed very highly. There's a lot of competition. A lot of people were hurt. But what do you think of his actual dynasty value going forward?
00:24:18
Ryan
I mean, it's definitely up. I mean, I think he was, you know, buried on that team with all the talent, but it seems to be a team that's constantly injured. I mean, McCaffery is out and now going to be out for a long time. and It seems like Deebo's kind of always heard and AU has had some issues here and there. So, you know, do I think he's going to explode and be this league winner? No, but do I think he has some value going forward? Definitely, especially with the injuries and it doesn't seem like it's going to be a healthy team anytime soon.
00:24:51
Joey
Yeah, I mean, if he can, he obviously demonstrated that he has some chemistry with Purdy, but I also, you know, like I saw. still something like 33 or 35% target share for Ayuk. I u ah get the feeling that um things will balance out this week. The lines, the receiving lines are not posted yet. And I know this is like my signature move going back to the same bet the week after I've taken it and lost the week before. um But i i I went to go look to see Brandon Ayuk's yardage total. And, you know, I i guess my feeling on
00:25:27
Joey
Jennings is probably a little bit more of a flash in the pan. And when Ayuk is operating at full strength, and Deebo's there, and Kittle's there, and McCaffrey's there, and he's much more likely and probably going to stick to being like a three to four targeted game guy, as opposed to ah like turning into a stud wide receiver.
00:25:52
dtmr
Yeah, I think the biggest issue for him is the depth chart. I think his skills are there.
00:25:56
dtmr
Like we saw it was it in the Super Bowl. He was like, he was the best player basically for the 49ers then. He got extended, the team obviously likes him and he was making catches at all three levels, contested wide open, running good routes.
00:26:09
dtmr
So I think he is a very good player. Now, I don't think any team is going to value him over Kittle, Devo, IU. CMC if he ever gets back.
00:26:20
dtmr
Although CMC is looking less less and less likely to get back this year, so maybe Jennings will actually rise to the pecking order.
00:26:26
dtmr
But I think he will hold value, and I think the search the most is Ricky Pearsall is going to have a much tougher path going through. He has to like really prove it now, and he's already got a slow start.
00:26:37
dtmr
Some of it in his control, some of it out, obviously. It's not his fault he got shot, but he was dealing with injuries before that. So I think he just has a murkier path, you know forward obviously talent rises to the top But that to me is the biggest takeaway.
00:26:50
dtmr
I Also want to just throw out I know we mentioned him Malik neighbors are so good. I don't know if he's watched last week And and I know he present company did but I hope all listeners he is not like just putting a huge stat lines He's just the most fun player to watch if you're like the catches he makes or the Rousey runs He's just so good.
00:27:09
dtmr
So Yeah, I know we talked about the canal straight. What was it? Why a spud? Canal spud wins that dream.
00:27:18
dtmr
And then, uh, last storyline and then Ryan, you kind of talked about it, but I just want to reiterate the tight ends have just been bad this year.
00:27:25
dtmr
Like all like, if you had going into the season, a top tier elite tight end chose Kelsey, Mark, Andrew, LaChorda, McBride, Kittle, Kincaid. You're kind of disappointed so far. Uh, so how are you guys feeling?
00:27:35
dtmr
Like I'm, I got my Kiseki that I picked up in free agency and I'm like, honestly, he's been probably better than most of these guys so far. So what's your thoughts?
00:27:44
Ryan
Yeah, it it's been really bad. The thing is, there there haven't been any great tight ends, so you bench one of those guys for who? Like, you know, who are you even throwing in over them? So it's been rough.
00:27:58
Joey
Yeah, um I have Andrews and I'm just gonna keep rolling him out there because he's a potentially better option than, you know, like, yeah, like, I i don't love the idea of Tyler Conklin and like or or somebody in that range, you know, like, I would rather just...
00:28:04
dtmr
He got a goose egg this past week, didn't he?
00:28:09
Ryan
Yeah, he got a goop sack.
00:28:17
dtmr
Dallas Goddard probably works this week, though.
00:28:19
Joey
God, it works, yeah.
00:28:21
dtmr
But, yeah, you're looking at guys like Goddard.
00:28:24
dtmr
Ferguson is probably like a pretty good vet here. I mean, even Engram was a pretty reliable, and he got her in warmups. Like, what did he even get in the game? He got her. What's going on here?
00:28:35
dtmr
Yeah, so it's been weird. We'll see how things go. But definitely you'll see it in in probably a lot of your league
Quarterback Rankings Predictions
00:28:43
dtmr
standings. It may not be going the way you thought it was because some of these expectations are upside down.
00:28:50
dtmr
But with that, I want to jump into kind of on a related note, because you go into a season, you have your startup ADPs if you're starting up the Dynasty League. And this is all based on perceived value, what you think is going to happen. And things change throughout the year. So what I was thinking would be kind of an interesting idea is we're going to go through the top four positions.
00:29:10
dtmr
and look back on this the Dynasty startup ADP over the past couple of years and take a look at the top 10 of these positions and see how many of those top 10 maintained in that top 10 status in the following year and how many dropped out. um Main reason for this is the top 10 is usually viewed as like the top elite players at this position. They hold the most value.
00:29:31
dtmr
But we we see, time to time again, a lot of these players don't always maintain that value and that means that other players are going to rise up in there. So kind of want to see if we can identify who we think currently are the ones that are at risk of losing that value and maybe throw out a couple of players that we think can hop in. if If some people drop out of top 10, that means someone replaced them. So if we can kind of, you know, get our ah or crystal ball and see who that's gonna be. So I'm gonna jump into the quarterbacks real quick. And I look back in the past, for all these positions, I look back in the past three years, I used fantasy football calculator for this ADP yeah data, but dating back to 2021, on average at quarterback of the top 10, about four of those players drop out every single year from the top 10. So that's nearly half, which is pretty surprising for a position that you, when you draft a quarterback, you're thinking that they're going to be around
00:30:20
dtmr
in your lineup and dynasty, especially for years. So seeing that there's that much turnover and actually last year he had five and some of the names that dropped out were Justin Herbert dropped to 12. So barely Lawrence we know is dropping fields plummeted after losing his job. Deshawn Watson plummeted and Dak barely slipped out. So going to this year, the top 10 that we had going to the current draft season was Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts, CJ Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Kyla Murray, Anthony Richardson, Jayden Daniels, and Jordan Love. So who of that group do you think is the most likely to fall out of the top 10? And again, we expect about four of these to fall out.
00:31:03
Joey
Who wants to take the free square?
00:31:06
Ryan
Yeah, I was going to say, you've got to say a Richardson, right?
00:31:09
dtmr
Yeah, Richardson is going to fall out.
00:31:09
Joey
yeah yeah yeah I have a spicy one.
00:31:10
Ryan
which I mean, he he's definitely going to fall out if he doesn't turn it around soon.
00:31:16
Ryan
um Outside of that, though, I will say it it is really tough. um You know, Daniels, I think it could rise, if anything. And the top seven, no one really sticks out to me that's like definitely going to fall out of there.
00:31:34
Joey
I'm going to go with ah number six, Joe Burrow. I really I worry about Burrow as a pocket passer on a team that's going to be terrible this year and the the wrist may not be like fully healed. He's actually like sneaky old. um I you know, like I just he's I. I think I heard today that I did hear today that ah he's actually older than Sam Darnold.
00:32:04
Joey
which is ah interesting and hard to believe. But um yeah, I just wouldn't be surprised. you know like It's not like he he was in the upper echelon of ah ah the higher range. you know like He's outside the top five. ah You name 10, he came in at number six. And I just think people are realizing that the rushing upside is so critical for for fantasy. So when you have guys like Daniels and Murray and Jackson and hurts and you know there's gonna be more rookie hotness that comes in next year that always get some hype for dynasty so yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it was ah if it was Joe Burrow one of the one of the guys who dropped out
00:32:47
dtmr
So my pick is also spicy. It's very spicy. and And when I have dropped out, I still think this guy, he'll fall to like 11 or 12. So he's like, hold on. My home's that people actually look at stats. Um, I think, I don't think he will in reality because people know the name and the team's going to win, but he is not get like, he hasn't in nearly a year provided the value that a player, especially viewed as number one should. And how are things going to get better throughout the year for him? Right?
00:33:17
dtmr
unless worthy evolves, like they don't have ah ah this Hollywood.
00:33:22
dtmr
Kelsey, we'll see if he starts getting into better shape, but he's getting older. He's not getting any more weapons. So like, how does his value increase and if he's not producing, he's gonna, fuck granted, his name will always care about value and he's, he's ah you know, he has the job forever, but for fantasy, I don't know if he's gonna be providing, to he hasn't provided top 10 in a full year now, so.
00:33:43
dtmr
If anyone fell out, I think it would be potentially him. Honestly, I think Burrow, from a statistics standpoint, is safer than Mahomes. Burrow has the the weapons. He had the blow up game this past week. His defense stinks. So they're going to be throwing more. So that's, if I was being spicy, that's the one I would probably pick.
00:34:01
Ryan
Yeah, I wasn't gonna say he'd fall out of the top 10, but I was gonna ask the question to the two of you on what you thought would happen with Mahos, because I was actually shocked when you pulled this up that he was number one going into the season after last year. I knew it'd still be high up, but I thought for sure Josh Allen would be ahead of him. So he just has that name and he's a really good in like live quarterback, but yeah, he just hasn't been great for fantasy. I i don't see how he stays number one.
00:34:30
dtmr
Everyone was down on Allen because he didn't have weapons. But home homestead the thing is, like everyone just gives Mahomes a pass for everything in fantasy. But if you look at like trying to win a game with stats, he's not doing that for you.
00:34:43
dtmr
But again, I don't think it will happen in reality because his name brand is too big.
00:34:49
Ryan
Yeah, he won't fall out of the top 10, but he should fall significantly.
00:34:52
Ryan
He should definitely not be number one.
00:34:54
dtmr
Yeah. What about us and players who could rise up?
00:35:02
dtmr
I got a couple names that I don't, I'm not saying with conviction that will rise up, but I feel like could, but I want to see if you guys have any first.
00:35:11
Joey
I'll throw out um because I didn't have the balls to do it a couple podcasts ago, but Justin Fields, I'm going to throw him out there because
00:35:21
Joey
Because you right you can see the path.
00:35:23
Joey
There's 3-0. And if he keeps playing, um and they have a division-winning season, and and Russ never takes over, you know like it's the path is there. So I think I would say Justin Fields.
00:35:36
Ryan
The only one that I thought would be on there that wasn't when I first looked at it was Brock
Running Back Rankings Predictions
00:35:41
Ryan
Purdy. I thought he'd be near the end. um So I could see him sneaking in there in like the eight, nine, 10 spot.
00:35:48
dtmr
Yeah, I think he's around like 15 so I think that's what I agree that was one of mine on the list Once that like he's actually throwing for the arts just as in the touchdown Jeff But he he's very safe and he's gonna get a massive contract this offseason.
00:36:00
dtmr
So I can see him rising up So
00:36:00
Ryan
Yeah, and he's really young and he's got all the weapons in the world. So granted, they need to stay healthy, but.
00:36:06
dtmr
The other two that I had, and I don't have strong conviction with this because and I think a few people have to drop out and if they get in, they're getting it like number 10. So Baker is one, if he puts up another year like last year after getting a contract, I think people will turn around and be like he was the first overall pick in the NFL Draft. He's actually, everything's are clicking for him now and he's got a contract and you feel safe for the next couple of years with him. So that's one that I keep an eye on. And the another one is Drake Meng, I think could, and there's a reason why. So A,
00:36:41
dtmr
I think he's a more explosive passer than obviously Brissett is. He is a little bit more mobile than people give him credit, and we know rushing helps. But I also think the transition will happen later, and he won't have a full season under his belt. And if he could just get hot for a couple games at the end, and people see a rookie, that will just boost his value going into next year. So if he can if he starts 10 to 8 games, and the last like four he looked really good in, and he's running around, I think he'll potentially shoot up into the top 10.
00:37:09
Ryan
Yeah, Drake may I could see because like you said, people love rookies. So if he gets a chance and he looks good for a couple of games, his stock will definitely skyrocket.
00:37:19
Joey
I think it'll depend on the rushing.
00:37:22
Joey
But there's a chance.
00:37:23
dtmr
Yeah, again, not saying any of these with conviction, but these, if I'm trying to see the tea leaves, those that's kind of what I'd be throwing out there.
00:37:30
dtmr
Moving over to running backs, uh, a little bit more volatility actually in this position. Um, as you can tell from the the rookie running backs that we mentioned, uh, looking back over the past three years, we've actually had an average of 5.3 and that actually came down this last year. Cause there was only four. So before that was a six running backs kept dropping out of the top 10 each year. Uh, so a lot of turnover happened in running backs. We get that.
00:37:54
dtmr
Older running backs, once they hit a cliff, they drop like a rock and you'll see some of these values really plummet. Injuries are a huge factor here. So a lot of volatility here, but from last year,
00:38:05
dtmr
Uh, the, the players who fell out were Kenneth Walker kind of slipped out. He went from seven to 11. So it's a little bit of cheating, but technically out Austin Eckler, he was at number eight plummeted to 39 after a horrible year. Josh Jacobs was at nine and then slipped down to 14, uh, mainly because he's very efficient last year. And then Nick Chubb, uh, he was at number 10, had a gruesome injury. Still haven't seen him back in the field yet, but he plummeted all the way to number 40 going to this year. So.
00:38:33
dtmr
It was in the last four, but in previous years, there was a lot more volatility. Um, but running through the running backs currently who are going into the, uh, 2024 is the top 10. We had Bijon Robinson, Breece Hall, Jameer Gidd, St. Quan Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Devon H.N., Christian McCaffrey, Travis Etienne, James Cook, and Kyron Williams were the top 10. So we're expecting at least four, but likely five of these guys to drop out going next year, who you got.
00:39:00
Joey
Yeah, I mean, it feels this one feels easier, absent of injury.
00:39:06
Joey
um It really just seems like you can almost guarantee that McCaffrey is on his on his way out um from an age standpoint, the fact that people are going to have a sour taste and in their mouth pretty much regardless the season, however, it turns out at this point.
00:39:25
Joey
um ah ETN I think is probably looking like he's trending out unfortunately for divine HN if they don't get a quarterback, he might be trending out and The only other one that I would throw out there is um Maybe Kyren, although I don't know, you know and that I I'm so skeptical of Kyren.
00:39:46
Joey
Although last week he ah his three touchdowns beat me in several leagues Yeah
00:39:55
dtmr
He sensed your skepticism, and that yeah got him off of the game.
00:39:56
Joey
Yeah, I mean, like, though to me, to me, to me, it just feels like those are the guys like cook at this point is looking like he's going to move up.
00:40:02
dtmr
Cook looks great, yeah.
00:40:03
Joey
Yeah. um And absent injury. Bijan safe. Breeze is safe. Gibbs is safe. Barkley safe. Taylor probably safe but on the on the fringe.
00:40:14
dtmr
I think Taylor could slip, but I don't think he would plummet, but I could see him slipping out.
00:40:15
Joey
But Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's just it's it's ah it's it feels like which of those guys that we talked about or that I just like called out.
00:40:27
Joey
ah Do you feel like the most confident that is is is is on their way out?
00:40:31
dtmr
I mean, Christian McCaffrey doesn't play this year. That's like a slam dunkies.
00:40:34
Ryan
That's what I was going to say.
00:40:35
Ryan
As crazy as it sounds, he's definitely got to be the one.
00:40:39
dtmr
Cause before he was actually, people were thinking maybe he's the one because he is just such a game wrecker. Um, but yeah, I think he's, uh, ETN to me is definitely falling out. He's just too and inefficient as well.
00:40:48
Joey
Yeah, you don't like him to begin with.
00:40:51
dtmr
Yeah. I've already been out on him and he's like not. look not make any good case for himself. Kyron to me is risky and I think this is like I could see him being like a kind of walk where like he barely slips out and that same thing as Jonathan Taylor. Like I could see these guys barely slipping out for each someone who's younger with more upside because like Taylor like he looked decent at moments like ah this past week but I just don't think he's gonna Like, everyone thinks about the years that I think it was like back to back years he like dominated. I just don't think those are left in them with the the current ah offense with Anthony Richardson at quarterback. So I think people are like, oh, he's going to really be more of a back in RB1, but he's older. That will knock him out of the top 10. But if if they're dropping out, who you guys think will potentially ascend and rise up into the top 10?
00:41:41
Ryan
So what do you guys think about a guy like Zach Charbonnet, who's you know not the number one on his team, but looked great um you know for an injured walker. He's young.
00:41:54
Joey
So my thinking is, not i like the I like the thought i and I was thinking ah and along those same lines, um but I was more ah thinking maybe along the lines of like a guy like Trey Benson who is Like they got like a Connor in front of him is on the last year of his deal before he's an unrestricted free agent and he's on the older side and if he does get injured at some point this year and Benson has the opportunity to to like demonstrate What he's got in Arizona like it probably wouldn't take much probably would take like one
00:42:35
Joey
like two or three game absence from Connor and Benson going out there and putting up big numbers. And then the Cardinals move on from Connor in the offseason and Benson all of a sudden is ah up in the top 10.
00:42:47
Joey
So like along those same lines, but my concern with Charbonnet is just that Ken Walker has actually looked really good.
00:42:53
Joey
And I i honestly wouldn't be surprised if if he himself didn't about face and made his way back into the top 10.
00:43:00
dtmr
Yeah, Walker was one of mine that I think would get back in.
00:43:03
dtmr
His is just injury. If he's healthy, Walker looks like awesome. Like week one, he looked incredible. Which makes it tough for Charbonnet to get in, unless he...
00:43:14
dtmr
Who knows? if walker But Walker's hurt all the time, so that would rise it up.
00:43:14
Ryan
I was just doing the... Yeah, I was doing the same thought thought process as Joe, like that that backup running back that
Wide Receiver Rankings Predictions
00:43:22
Ryan
if he gets a chance looks really good and could jump into the top 10.
00:43:25
Ryan
But yeah, obviously he has Walker ahead of him who, you know, is technically not going to be that guy that drops off.
00:43:32
Joey
He's looked he's looked half ah like but pretty strong when he's been out there. Well, it was one game, but yeah, it'll be interesting to see if I think he's supposed to be back this week if he picks right up where he left off or if that was just like a I'm assuming he will.
00:43:45
Joey
Frankly, I feel like.
00:43:46
dtmr
Yeah. And yeah, a couple of other guys that had Jonathan Brooks, the rookie who hasn't played yet. He's still around number 12, so it won't take much from the go up there. But if Dalton out of quarterback, I think that offense will look pretty decent. And if he is what people thought,
00:44:02
dtmr
As a coming up at his rookie, I don't see how he doesn't ascend. And then a dark horse guy. I mean, we've talked about him. I feel like we're becoming quite the podcast for him. Brian Robinson, I feel like, could have a shot if he keeps building. Obviously, the past two weeks, not as big of a net, or maybe just the past one week, not as big of an output as you were hoping for. But I think he's a very solid rusher. I think that offense is looking pretty decent right now. And he doesn't really have a lot of competition. His only competition is really echler.
00:44:30
dtmr
like If he has like if you finishes the year with double digit touchdowns and 1,000 rushing yards, I think he can potentially ascend up into the back half of that top 10.
00:44:39
Joey
Yeah, I'm with it. I agree.
00:44:41
dtmr
we all We're all in the B-Rob. Moving over to wide receivers, actually a lot of volatility here as well. So over the past three years, we've seen an average of 5.7 of the top 10 dropout year over year.
00:44:58
dtmr
Just is very tricky to get a very in a absolute elite untouchable wide receiver, which is why in dynasty they're so hard to acquire in trades. But last year, some of the wide receivers just fell out. You had Jalen Waddle, who is really rising up. He dropped down to 13.
00:45:13
dtmr
A lot of a just snuck out and he's at number of he went into number 11 going into this year T Higgins plummeted from 8 to 28 and Stefan Biggs We have documented this pretty well, but he was at number 10. He dropped all the way to number 36 With the way the back half of last year ended So going into this year, the top 10 that we had are at one, we had C.D. Lamb, Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Amun Rawson Brown, Marvin Harrison Jr., Malik Neighbors, A.J. Brown, Garrett Wilson, Tyreek Hill, and Puka Nakua. So who of these top 10 do you think are going to fall out? Because at least half of these are expected to drop out going into next year.
00:45:55
Ryan
I mean, I think the bottom four all are going to drop out. A.J. Brown. I mean, Garrett Wilson, I don't know, unless he starts connecting with Rogers, I think he's going to fall up.
00:46:06
Ryan
Tyreek Hill just because of age and, you know, who knows what's going on with his quarterback.
00:46:09
dtmr
The tour situation, yeah.
00:46:11
Ryan
Yeah. And then Pooka, I got to see something out of him this year to keep him in the top 10.
00:46:18
Ryan
So I feel like the top six are pretty solid and the bottom four are going to go. but How do you think, Joe?
00:46:26
Joey
Yeah, I agree with you. I think AJ Brown is susceptible.
00:46:30
Joey
He's hurt. And um yeah, the Eagles don't look like they are you know in the in the same form that they were in two years ago to start this season.
00:46:44
Joey
And so that's potentially going to be a concern for him. Tyreke, if Miami doesn't get a quarterback, I think, that'll be a challenge for him too. Plus he was kind of like saying some stuff about retiring early anyway. And granted he went back and you know, like reworked his deal and he hasn't said anything about it since. Like that could honestly make a difference if all it takes is like one report of, you know, Tyreek is mulling his future and ah that can make a difference for him. So Garrett Wilson, I'm,
00:47:18
Joey
I want to see more from him, frankly. I want to see a little more of this season. It's a small sample size to just run the ball a lot. That's just like part of their identity. And I think he still is like building up chemistry with Rogers. I think as the season progresses and the games get more important and they build up a repertoire together, I think we're going to see the Rogers to Wilson connection start ah getting a little bit more, you know,
00:47:47
Joey
like the Rogers and Devontae Adams connection where he's just like lighting him up, especially in the red zone too. So um I agree he's definitely in the category of could slip, ah but i I want to see a little more first with Rogers.
00:48:01
Ryan
Even if he has a good year though, what you know what happens with Rodgers after this year, like who who knows who his quarterback is for dynasty.
00:48:09
dtmr
Yeah, I feel like he's at a ceiling right now and he's not performing at it. So if other players.
00:48:14
Joey
i I disagree with that. I don't think this. I don't think what he's doing now is is his ceiling.
00:48:18
dtmr
I met, I met at ranks. I don't see the, I don't think they see the top six being cracked.
00:48:23
dtmr
So he's at eight right now.
00:48:27
dtmr
I don't think you could get into the top six. I don't think that's possible. And he's underperforming with what you want. And then the QB situation maybe isn't that great going next into next year. So, yeah, I don't think he's not talented. I just, I don't, I could see a lot more things happening that knocks him out of the top 10 than keeps him in, to be honest.
00:48:49
dtmr
Yeah. And then the Pukka situation too, like obviously he's heard right now, but also who knows how long Stafford's playing too. So I think that could, I don't think Pukka tumbles a ton, but I could see him slipping out for sure.
00:49:00
dtmr
He's got a lot of questions there. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, I, it feels like the top six are just like solidifying. Like I just don't see how those guys don't maintain.
00:49:10
dtmr
They're all performing. They're all studs. They're all young.
00:49:14
Ryan
The crazy part though, if you look at the last three years and like you said, on average five to six drop out, one of them is going to drop out.
00:49:21
Ryan
But looking at the top six, I don't know.
00:49:24
dtmr
Yeah, it's it's hard.
00:49:25
Ryan
I guess maybe I'm on wrong. I don't know.
00:49:29
dtmr
Yeah, he's still been safe and looking good.
00:49:32
dtmr
Yeah, like ah he's he's the only one that yeah.
00:49:34
Ryan
I think they're all safe, but he's the only one you could potentially question, I guess.
00:49:39
dtmr
He's the only one who doesn't have the the ceiling like the ceiling. He's got like such a high floor. And don't be wrong, he can put up big weeds, but he doesn't have the absolute upside that the other five metopsies have. But yeah, I think those guys are all safe. But if at least four will say, since that's all we we can find, drop out. Who are some guys that might sneak in that you guys like?
00:50:03
Ryan
Well, the first thing I asked is, where was Nico Collins? He's got to be right there now.
00:50:08
dtmr
He's 11, he's 11, so yeah, that's in that's a layup.
00:50:09
Ryan
All right. I was going to say, yeah, he he's going to be, he's going to pass a couple of those guys, I think for sure.
00:50:11
dtmr
I have it, Nico is gonna definitely be in.
00:50:14
dtmr
Nico should be in right now, in my opinion. Yeah,
00:50:20
Joey
Yeah, I think if things continue um on the path that they're on, Rishi Rice has like a slim chance of sneaking into the back end of the top 10.
00:50:28
dtmr
yeah he's he's at 13 right now, so I think that's an easy one too.
00:50:30
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. So and then maybe I know, Dave, you're going to like this, but maybe Jaden Reed.
00:50:38
dtmr
I had Jaden Reed, that was one. he's He's further down, but I think Jaden Reed, he looks unreal.
00:50:44
dtmr
It looks like he should be the number one for the Packers.
00:50:45
Joey
It's going to take a lot more for the rest of the season to get him in there, but it's possible.
00:50:50
dtmr
He has to do, it once love comes back, he has to keep it up. But if he keeps it up for the rest of the season, I think he can sneak in until I attempt. But he looks great. I was actually trying to talk to Canals about getting him before recording the spot because I knew he was going to blow up my spot.
00:51:03
dtmr
But I think Reid has a decent shot.
00:51:06
dtmr
Ayuk is another one I throw out. He's already at 15. If Deebo departs next year and Ayuk get rounds back in the form. and like Purdy signs the contract going to next year, you just have two guys and long-term contracts that know each other well and have great chemistry and and really have big games. I think he probably slots back into the top 10.
Tight End Rankings and Future Predictions
00:51:29
dtmr
All right, and then finally moving over to the tight ends. Actually less volatility here. This past year was actually the first year. There was a lot of volatility, but usually it's kind of a lot of stalwarts. And honestly, it's a, it's a dark, dark throat this year. So it doesn't even really matter. But, uh, the past three years, the average was 3.7, but that was propped up by five last year dropping out. It was actually the bottom five all dropped out. You had Dallas got, got her dropped to 15 past fry, moved to 16. Greg Dolches was actually in the top 10 at eighties down to 26 now.
00:52:04
dtmr
David and Joe barely slipped out to 12 and Darren Wallo retired. So he's fully out, doesn't even have a ring. But going into this year, we had Sam Laporta, Trey McBride, Brock Bowers, Dalton Kincaid, Kyle Pitts, Mark Andrews, George Kittle, TJ Hopkinson, Travis Kelsey, and Jake Ferguson actually sneaking in. So who do you think is going to be dropping out of this group? is Honestly, it should only be about three or so, but we saw last year, it could be bottom out completely.
00:52:33
Ryan
Yeah, I don't even know where to start with the tight ends here. I mean, let's start with the two big names, Mark Andrews and Travis Kelsey. You'd have to assume after this start, they're both dropping out of there pretty easily, right?
00:52:45
Joey
Yeah, yeah, great. Kelsey more likely than Andrews.
00:52:49
Joey
Andrews has a chance of redeeming himself. um And I guess Kelsey does too, but I guess the odds are more in favor of Kelsey, given that Kelsey was already slipping.
00:52:59
dtmr
Yeah, and he he's just older. Andrews is not old for tight end, but he also has like the threat of likely continuing to emerge potentially.
00:53:07
dtmr
Andrews does nothing.
00:53:10
Joey
I also think I also think Jake Ferguson is in some trouble and just only because he he. Is one of those guys similar to Nijoku and Friarmuth and Goddard who made their way into the top 10 on the wings of like. Like a pretty good season last season and they're just like not really being like many other options there and I don't really necessarily see him like duplicating last year season. He hasn't been thus far.
00:53:37
Joey
Granny sir, and he had a pretty good game last game, but um yeah, I just think there'll be other options There'll be new hotness, and I don't see ah I mean guys like Laporte and McBride I could I could see definitely slipping towards the back of the top ten um but Yeah, that's what I'm saying like a lot of the guys in this list at the top of the list specifically are like young enough Really all the way through like Hawkinson.
00:53:51
dtmr
Mm hmm. They're just so young, though. And like that's like.
00:54:03
Joey
I really don't I really don't see too much turnover
00:54:03
dtmr
And yeah. I agree, like, yeah, I don't really see much slipping here. Yeah, because I think this is what we I was saying for previously, it's only been about two that dropped out.
00:54:17
dtmr
And last year was one of the reasons why there were such turnover. It was that we had this massive influx of youth pop up this year.
00:54:24
dtmr
I don't know if we're going to be getting that again.
00:54:26
dtmr
That seemed like a pretty rare occurrence. So I feel like maybe going forward, you're probably going to be locked in the top eight or nine of the tight ends there. But I think Kelsey and Ferguson probably slip out.
00:54:37
dtmr
Maybe kibble just because he's very volatile. But again, like I still think the path for him to have targets is probably going to stay there. So I don't have a lot of confidence there. And sarah honestly, there's only one guy who I could think maybe rise up. But I want to see if you guys have any dark throws or who could sneak into the top 10.
00:54:57
Ryan
Not really. I mean, Qualcomm met someone who's near the top right now.
00:55:04
Ryan
I don't know how valuable it would be in the future.
00:55:07
Joey
Maybe we yeah my man, Brenton Strange-ass.
00:55:18
dtmr
yeah It's tough because you need to be, it to be really good you need to be a top two target in your offense. To make the top ten in the dynasty probably top three is what you want. And there's not a lot of opportunities there that I'm seeing there.
00:55:31
dtmr
you Even combat, like the wide receivers, they'll likely be there. But who knows? He he has had blown up games.
00:55:37
dtmr
One guy, and this is a complete dark throw, but I'm throwing out Ben Sennett. If Daniels is dominating and Urts finally freaking retires and gets out of everyone's way, Sennett in flashes looks pretty good, but he's he's a rookie.
00:55:49
dtmr
So going to next year, he may be having McBride pop. So we'll see. But I think that could be someone who maybe gets the number 10 slot.
00:55:58
Joey
Yeah, no, that's a good call. I agree.
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00:56:00
dtmr
Yeah, those ah those are the ADP reviews, so keep that in mind when you're posting trades, try to get ahead, get get value for the top 10 when you can, and try to sneak, get get the guys who are gonna sneak in going next year.
00:56:00
Joey
You can definitely see the path.
00:56:12
dtmr
But gonna move into our next segment, Joe. Why don't you take it away?
00:56:15
Joey
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00:57:32
Joey
so All right, ah so now on to the segment. And first thing we're going to do is recap last week's performance. So Dave, I'll kick it over to you. Why don't you let us know how you did last week and what it's looking like for this week.
00:57:44
dtmr
Yeah, so I gave out too many bets last week. You know, stop doing that. It's not a profitable way to go. I think ah any real better would know that. So I gave out 10 bets, I ended up going three and seven. So like, not the worst, but could have done better. Some of these definitely were weird too. The IU, not getting any of the targets is weird. Brian Robinson actually burned me.
00:58:07
dtmr
and yeah and I think with Marvin Harrison Jr., just I think he missed by one yard, so that one stung.
00:58:13
dtmr
So it's gonna be better this week, but I'm um i'm gonna curb down the amount of pets I put out on this pod, but if you know me, I'll be sharing my other press that I have. What about you, Joe?
00:58:24
Joey
Yeah, so ah a couple of frustrating ones. Quentin Johnson, Johnston. Pissed me off because I took him under in ah in ah and a tough matchup.
00:58:37
Joey
Yeah, two catches, both in the first half, both early in the game, both like 22 fucking yards, and he's over with, I think he ended up with 42 or 44.
00:58:48
Joey
If you know me, you know that I may very well be going back to that this week. Although there's no lines up without Justin Herbert, so I don't really know if this is this is the weakest. And like in Kansas City, like Taylor Heinecke actually is half decent at throwing the ball downfield, so that's probably a stay away.
00:59:04
Joey
Marty Cooper got there towards the end. um It was looking a little dicey for a minute.
00:59:10
Joey
He started off hot and and then got there for us. b Brian Robinson let us down a little bit in the passing game and yeah, it's just weird. Cost me a parlay in a straight bed and yeah, that was just really unfortunate and.
00:59:24
Joey
um Yeah. ah But Zach Moss came, Zach Moss came through on the ground.
00:59:30
Joey
So between those four picks, we went two and two, we vigged out minus, you know, probably ah half a unit in big. So not great, not terrible.
00:59:40
Joey
Oh, and we, and the, and the same game parlay was, it had the, it had ah the chance at the end. I think we only lost the SGP by Jalen Hertz rushing yards.
00:59:51
Joey
Barkley got the long touchdown for us. Olave was heavily involved, caught a long touchdown to go over. it was ah We were looking all right, just didn't get the hurts rushing that we needed. but um yeah So for this week,
01:00:06
Joey
It's an interesting situation where a lot of the games, some of these guys that we're targeting don't have lines up yet. We mentioned this earlier, right? Like there's some uncertainty about Tank Del, so Niko Collins, or really a lot of the receiving props for that game aren't up yet. There's some uncertainty around ah Arizona's health and um so as a result there the lines for that game which has the highest total of the week and probably the two worst defenses aren't up yet so I'm gonna give some picks between Dave and myself that we like as of right now and I'm just gonna mention
01:00:47
Joey
um you know Keep an eye on Nico Collins um for when those lines do go up. It's definitely going to be something that I'm going to be playing on and I'd probably recommend. And um who else? There was one other. I'll think about it before the end of the pod. Dave, why don't you give us your two picks now? And ah I actually am just noticing, looking at the doc, that we're going to be targeting the same offense with ah with one pick from each of our selections. So what do you got?
01:01:16
dtmr
I dig it. So, as you mentioned, I'm dialing my picks back, you know, trying to be a little bit more profitable for the listeners. But ah the first one straight play, Najee Harris, over 64 and a half rush yards. Right now, it's it's not a fan dully yet, but it's actually going to draft Kings at minus 115.
01:01:34
dtmr
Uh, he's passed this line every single week so far and there's no Warren who's going to be hurt. So he's going to get all the, all the volume there. And the Colts run D before last week against the bears and the bears have no low line.
01:01:46
dtmr
I don't know if you saw like that play with Swift on the goal line where the D line was in under a second where five of them were in the backfield.
01:01:53
dtmr
Um, the, the Colts run D is not good. They were actually the worst ever for through the first two weeks of the year. So I think Najee Harris will easily surpass this line. So I'm definitely going to be betting the the over on his 64 and a half as that is how they're getting out of the offense going.
01:02:08
dtmr
So that's the one bet. Now the next four, I like all four of these, but I like them so much that I'm probably going to end up parlaying them all together. But personally, I'll probably play some of these straight as well. But I'm just going to throw them all out, but feel free to take the parlay, which I think I feel pretty confident about all these. And I'm targeting one game here.
01:02:25
dtmr
And it is the Panthers versus the Bengals. Both of these defenses stink. The Bengals are desperate for a win, so I think they're going to be throwing a ton. And the Panthers look pretty good with Andy Dalton, and we've mentioned field and is disaster so that's going to consolidate targets a bit more, so I usually look for that. When there's less players involved, you can really target the remaining players for their receptions and or or yards.
01:02:50
dtmr
And again, the Bengals D's probably worse than the Panthers D's. The Bengals D's are so, so, so bad. I'm gonna probably target them the entire year for overs. So the lines that I'm liking and I'm gonna probably parlay together is Deontay Johnson over 63 and a half receiving yards. This is at minus 114 in Fandool. All these are in Fandool right now. Deontay Johnson over on his receptions at five and a half.
01:03:16
dtmr
Xavier legette over 35 and a half receiving yards This was actually at 31 and a half when I looked at it noon I looked at it again earlier and already shot off four yards I think other people are catching on to what I'm thinking with no feeling They're going to certain can't be all Deontay. I think they're going to be thrown until we get as well. And we get is a physical specimen and can get a lot of yak play. So I'm definitely up that's probably going to be the one I go to the heavies on. I'm straight plays that will get yardage and then Jamar chase over 71 and a half receiving yards as well. I was huge on chase on Monday night paid off for me, but I'm going to go back to that. Well,
01:03:50
dtmr
seeing someone who definitely wants to get a win now that they're 0-3. But I'm also going to parlay all these together. And when you parlay all these together, it comes out to plus 679. So almost 7-1 on those odds there for a game where I don't think there'll be a lot of defense.
01:04:06
Joey
Yeah, I really like it. And we can actually go in and lock that in. It's our podcast's same game parlay of the week.
01:04:15
Joey
I like it. I think that ah coming off of ah me coming up short the last two weeks, we need to change up the mojo. And I think this is the play that's going to get it done. I actually really agree with the get and I think that line is going to continue to climb.
01:04:29
Joey
So I may very well make my way over to the apps and throw some shackles on that right after we are done recording here.
01:04:30
dtmr
Yeah, I'm gonna lock it. I'm gonna lock that in right now. I'm so mad I didn't do it at noon. Like 31 and a half is like so easy.
01:04:42
Joey
um All right, so for mine I'm gonna give out two The first one I'm gonna give out and I don't even have it in the show doc But ah the more we've talked about it the and the more I'm feeling good about the matchup is gonna be Breeze Hall over I think the number right now is 69 and a half or 70 rushing yards um Denver has been pretty bad on the ground and Yeah, I mentioned it a couple of times earlier. I feel like every time I watch the Jets, i'm um I am impressed and I'm taking note of um the volume that they're willing to give to the running backs. I think there's probably a slight bit of opportunity or um you know a window
01:05:30
Joey
for maybe ah a lower line on Breeze against not a very good rushing defense because of the Braylon Allen volume and hype, I guess if you could call it. It's been a little bit of a Braylon Allen hype train over the last couple of weeks. So I think getting Breeze Hall in um in a game where they're probably going to run the ball a lot And Denver does have a Patrick Sir 10 in the secondary, which they can. He can lock down a top receiver pretty well um at home with that defense against Bo Nicks. I get the impression that the Jets are going to look to just, you know, not try to do too much and give the ball to their backs. So Breece Hall over 69 and a half rushing minus 110. That's available right now.
01:06:21
Joey
And then my next one, be a little more fun. um I'm going to go first time this season. We're going to climb the ladder. And for those of you who are not familiar with climbing the ladder, ah it's basically when you take um a player's prop and then you take um incremental ah alternate lines.
01:06:44
Joey
of the same prop for you know slightly less um unit sizes as you go up. So you know in this particular example, we'll take George Pickens, um over 50 receiving yards.
01:06:55
dtmr
I love it. Love ladders.
01:06:57
Joey
I like that as a play for one unit. And then um I think I'm going to put a half a unit on over 75 receiving yards plus 250 and a half a unit on over 100 yards plus 550. The logic here is um Indianapolis' defense has not been great as far as defending the wide receiver. They're particularly susceptible to the outside wide receiver, and they give up explosive plays quite frequently to outside wide receivers. They've given up over 100 yards to two receivers so far this year. I think it was Nico Collins and Roma Dunze.
01:07:38
Joey
And they've given up big games to other outside wide receivers as well. um Only concern from my perspective is that they can't, the offense is not great and Pittsburgh's defense is very strong. But I also think this is, I mentioned those fishy lines earlier this week. I think this is another one of those fishy lines where Pittsburgh is a team that's getting quite a bit of hype right now. And Indy is a team that is not getting ah talked about very kindly. Their quarterback play is horrific and it just feels like, oh, you know, Steelers only laying one and a half at the Colts just feels like an easy one. um And it's just never that easy. So I think it'll probably be a tough, it'll probably be a tight game and Pickens averaging 15 yards a catch.
01:08:30
Joey
Um, throughout the course of this season so far, I realized it's small sample size, only three games, but, um, yeah, 15 yards of catch and over three games and, uh, had 85 week one had 57 last week.
01:08:43
Joey
So yeah, we're going to go Pickens 50. The main play is George Pickens over 49 and a half, 50 receiving yards. And if you want to sprinkle a little more on, you know, the alternate line, 60, 70, 75, depending on what at what site you look at, I was looking at that 365, that 365 had over 70 plus two over 75 plus 250 over 100 plus 550. So We'll play a little bit with that in for some upside this week.
01:09:12
Joey
um And we will ride with ah Dave, our fearless leader, on the same game parlay of the week.
01:09:21
dtmr
We're going to do it, guys.
01:09:22
Joey
um Let's catch that one.
01:09:25
dtmr
Yeah. And I do love ladders because once they start hitting and they just like every next play, that player just keeps caching more and more. It's so much fun. Or like,
01:09:34
Joey
And it's just, I feel like it's fun with a guy like ah George Pickens too, because he can literally get 75 yards in on two two plays, right?
01:09:37
dtmr
oh, it's explosive plays. You can get it all in one play.
01:09:44
Joey
like one If he gets like one 40 or 50 yard catch, not only have you locked in a unit, but now you just need like two or three more catches and you're gonna have a big day.
01:09:52
dtmr
Oh yeah. But even if he's like, if he's right at the line and then he has one massive catch, you hit like four bets in a row, it's so good.
01:10:00
dtmr
Um, but yeah, let's, you know, let's win some money, but no guarantees, but we feel good about it.
01:10:04
Joey
Yeah, no guarantees.
01:10:05
dtmr
Uh, it's a little bit fun, you know, it's a little sprinkle.
01:10:06
Joey
Just a little bit of fun, right? like throw you know so oh Just some fun. All I can do is tell you what I'm putting on it, and you have to make you know decisions that fit your risk appetite.
01:10:13
dtmr
Listen, gamble responsibly, have a budget, have rules and
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01:10:19
dtmr
then, you know, get wild with the boys.
01:10:23
dtmr
But yeah, we're going to move in to the final segment of our, you know, our and NSFW Dynasty Elite Corner, give ah everyone an update on how the league's going. So as I mentioned, we do a high-low score, the highest and lowest score on the year. And every week, we've actually had someone beat the high and beat the low. so It keeps keeps moving there. So for the high, it's still the same team, just new high scores. Mike Caffer and Mike Williams, they they beat their week two high and they are now at 175.52. So it's creeping up again. ah That's a score that I think will be beat later in the year, but it's getting more and more respectable. And we have a new low again for the third straight week. And it's actually Kropa who's just, his whole team is just completely destroyed by injuries. so
01:11:07
dtmr
Not much he can really do there, and then just trying to survive, but his score of 78.62 is the new low mark in the league. Again, probably a score that will be beaten, but, you know, gonna start sweating it out now, now that we're three weeks in. Also with it being three weeks in,
01:11:24
dtmr
We are at now through divisional league play for the first first three weeks of the season. And then we'll have this again in the final three weeks of the season. But the winner of each division gets an auto bid into the playoffs. So these were very important and pivotal matchups. And actually the leader in all three leagues are undefeated. They ran it all.
01:11:46
dtmr
You got Mike Kaffer and Mike Williams. Obviously, they got two of the weekly highs, but they are also undefeated in their division, which I've renamed the Mike Kaffer and Mike Williams division because they own it now.
01:11:58
dtmr
Schluter owns his division, so he gets the division name called Schluter's division. He's 3-0 as well, and I'm actually going up against him this week, which little word about. He's the heavy favorite. But in the final division, which is Dave's division, yeah, that's mine because I am 3-0 and I won it last year, so I really do own this division right now. I might be the weakest of the three, but I would say um after last year, my team is putting up a much better performance where I was a very low scorer last year, just got lucky. My team's been pretty respectable.
01:12:28
dtmr
but Yeah, how you guys feeling? Where are you guys? yeah you Not in first, that's right. Joe and Ryan are not in first place.
01:12:36
dtmr
So it doesn't really matter.
01:12:37
Ryan
Yeah, Joe and I are sitting at 1-2. Schluter at 3-0 is not great for us, but we'll see how it goes. Still early in the season.
01:12:48
Joey
Yeah, so i will I will point out the irony of the fact that In this league, um my team is one and two.
01:12:59
Joey
Dave's team is three and 0. I have an asto astounding 450 points against after three weeks. And Dave has a paltry 300 points against after the first three weeks.
01:13:13
Joey
In another league that we're in, ah my team is horrific.
01:13:18
Joey
it It is maybe the worst fantasy football team that I've ever drafted or played in my entire life. And that team is 3-0 and has some like astonishing number of points against in the first at first three weeks of like 100.
01:13:30
dtmr
Joe's averaging like 80 points a game.
01:13:33
Joey
I think I have 175 points against in three weeks.
01:13:39
dtmr
The last place team actually has, I think, 0.3 points less scored than Joe's team, and that team is 0.3, and Joe's 3 now. But they basically put up the exact same scores.
01:13:47
Joey
Yeah, it's yeah. So it's just funny how that can work out differently in one league versus another. um But yes.
01:13:57
dtmr
I will say, your your week one, I think, was pretty low. So you've had some pretty big weeks after that, and you had one really bad matchup against Schluter, where you put up a huge score, but just hit a buzzsaw. But my, my team, it just, it gets the wins cause it's consistent.
01:14:11
dtmr
I've never scored less than one 17 and I've scored more every single week so far. So, you know, gotta get that high watermark man.
01:14:18
Joey
Yeah, I mean, frankly, you have a lot of guys that are putting up points and they may not be, they may not be the hottest names, but they're putting up points.
01:14:21
dtmr
Yeah. Not my quarterbacks, but come on.
01:14:26
dtmr
Jennings is doing Kasecki steps up. I am just, it's all waiver wire guys, man. I'm just finding my way toward W.
01:14:32
Ryan
I mean, he got 22 from lamb already this week so far, so.
01:14:36
dtmr
Finally, let's go. I need one more touchdown on him. It's the last part of my parlay and everything else is hit. So please slam score a second touchdown. But anyway, yeah. Well, that is and that is pretty much the positive for any final thoughts for the listeners. so
01:14:54
Joey
Now, that's all we got.
01:14:55
dtmr
All right. We'll go out there, get those dubs, and Schluter coming for you, man.
01:15:03
Joey
Thanks for listening.