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EPISODE 17: WEEK 12 RECAP & TRADE SZN POST MORTERM W/SPECIAL GUEST
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We bring in another one of our leaguemates in this special episode of the NSFW Dynasty Podcast! We discuss all of week 12, do a post mortem on our league's in-season trades with the gift of hindsight now and of course do our DK Lineup Challenge!
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Introduction and Special Guest
00:00:07
Speaker
Welcome to the non-stop fantasy weekly Dynasty podcast. We are here with your hosts, Dave Reed, Ray Wilkinson, and Joey Gallo. Welcome in to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. I am your host, Dave Reed joined by my co-hosts, Ryan Ferguson and Joey Gallo.
00:00:44
Speaker
We brought in a special guest as well. He has been the front man for Dan's team for years. He's more of a figurehead for that team, but we brought him in. The name is Matt Rosinski. Welcome to the pod.
Week 12 Highlights and Injury Updates
00:01:01
Speaker
I was really hoping we'd get Dan, but I guess Matt will have to do. I know he, he's too busy actually running the team. Maybe we should just set the record straight at the early on in the podcast. How much of the managing is he doing relative to you? So to be honest, they go, I mean, in our Albany league, Dan, I've been doing this for years together. It's actually, we don't, we don't do anything unless we run it by each other. I mean, it actually is 50 50.
00:01:38
Speaker
It is the NSFW podcast but it's still that he's too much for that like there's not a label strong enough for Mike Williams to be on this spot
00:01:49
Speaker
But we got a special one for you guys today Week 12 is in the books our trade deadline pass So we're actually gonna do a post mortem on in season trades kind of take a look What were some of our favorite trades and some value values in flops that we saw?
00:02:04
Speaker
but also obviously do our normal run-through of v12 and as always when we have a special guest we got the DK lineup challenge but first we're going to jump into the medical ward this has been a staple players keep getting hurt but this one's actually a little bit lighter than most weeks and we actually have some players coming back but first the bad news Jonathan Taylor
00:02:27
Speaker
This was a surprise on, I believe, Tuesday. He is going to have thumb surgery and be out two to four weeks. So that's a pretty major loss for a player who was looking like he was finally ramping up and kind of be an RB1 to finish the season. Kenneth Walker is doubtful again for Thursday night football without oblique injury. So you're going to see Charbonnet beat the lead back again.
00:02:50
Speaker
Chris Olave left the week 12 matchup with concussion. He's still TBD for this week, but something to monitor. But Rashid Shahid, who his running mate there in New Orleans now, injured his quad and he's probably going to miss this week and likely a week after that. Demario Douglas, who is turning in a pretty solid rookie season, left early with a hard shot to the head and neck. He did pass the concussion protocol, but still TBD if he'll play this week.
00:03:19
Speaker
Mark Cooper took a pretty tough shot to the ribs, but the x-rays did come back negative, so he should be okay for this week. Dorian Thomas Robinson, DTR, not DTMR, very close. He had a concussion from a pretty nasty shot, and they did sign Flacco, so there is a chance that we start seeing an elite quarterback in Joe Flacco back in the field.
00:03:41
Speaker
There are also a few other players that hopefully do come back. My team especially needs Devon Achan in the worst way to come back. The only news we got there is he did not suffer a setback during the last week, so who knows if he's playing this week, but he didn't get worse apparently, so fingers crossed. T Higgins has a chance to play, but it's Monday Night Football.
00:04:01
Speaker
I don't think you can put him in your lineup, but something monitoring that seems like more optimistic for week 14. Dallas Guder, he fractured his forearm earlier. He's pushing to play this week. Still if that will happen, but week 14 seems like a very good chance. Justin Jefferson still kept missing it. He's on by this week, but he was finally activated and he will be playing week 14.
00:04:25
Speaker
And Aaron Rodgers is designated to return from the IR for who knows why. No idea why he's doing this move, but he looks like he is actually trying to play this season. They have three weeks to get him activated with the window now being open. So we'll see if he can make the Jets less pathetic to close out the season. But which of these injuries or returns are standing out to most of you guys?
00:04:51
Speaker
Yeah, so I'll jump in on Jonathan Taylor, right? So they say two to four weeks. They say they're going to try and get him back quickly, and they're obviously not eliminated from playoff contention, so they have incentive to get him back. You saw, though, that coming back from the suspense and not suspension, the pop earlier in the previous injury, it took him. You mentioned him getting ramped up, took him a while to get ramped up. I think the first game he was back, Zach Moss still put up better numbers, got more carries.
00:05:18
Speaker
Zach Moss is going to get opportunity now, too. So I just feel like it's a weird situation with Taylor, where by the time he comes back, it's going to be week 16, week 17. You're going to have tough decisions to make in the playoffs if your team's still alive. So if I'm a Taylor owner, I'm kind of not really counting on him at all, really, until the very, very end, if I'm lucky to even be alive at that point. And if I had Zach Moss, then you basically found yourself
00:05:46
Speaker
uh, starting running back the rest of the way. So pretty fortunate. Yeah. I feel like Jonathan Taylor is really the only major one there. Most of the other guys should be back within a week or two.
00:05:57
Speaker
The only other thing I'll say is if Olave and Shaheed both do miss this week, Michael Thomas is on IR, so who knows who will be catching the ball for the Saints. But yeah, otherwise, nothing too crazy. And then the big man. Camaro, by the way. It'll be Camaro. Camaro, yeah. Yes. Yes, and we'll all just go to the running back. Yeah, nothing too crazy other than that. I saw something today that was like Olave practiced in a limited fashion. Please. Please, please.
00:06:26
Speaker
A good first sign, but it wasn't the worst concussion you've ever seen. He landed on his head rather than taking a blow to the head from a defender. And usually with concussions, if you start practicing early, that's usually a good sign. It's when you start missing practices. You don't clear the protocol, but you're starting to get reps in. He's trying the right way, so I also need him.
00:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, Taylor hurts pretty bad. Yeah. I mean, I don't have any shares of him. I know you do. And don't have Moss, but I think you'll be OK. You have a lot of depth there.
00:07:07
Speaker
I mean, it's, I guess it's, uh, you know, having depth at running back is always a good thing, right? But the downfall for us is we lost Taylor and Zach lost the Mike's both have the Mike. So if you look at our, you know, the projected points, they kind of even doubt, not fully, but they're a lot closer than I would have liked. So that was kind of a, uh, that was a tough one.
00:07:30
Speaker
Seeing the fortune flip like that in Dynasty is the fun and devastating part about it. Because there's, again, stuff players like Jonathan Taylor that are staples of your lineup. Zach Moss, maybe an afterthought on your bench. Maybe they were looking to ship him. And boom, all of a sudden, he got another valuable asset. I wish that would happen to me a bit more often. But it's all right. We're moving on. But you know, like that, it's funny how, like, when a guy gets hurt,
00:07:57
Speaker
on your redraft team. It's like, ah, like, all right, let's see who I have on my bench. Let's see who I can get from the waver while. When someone gets hurt on your dynasty team, unless it's a position of depth, you're just like, ah, what kind of what? What kind of piece of shit am I going to throw in there? Yeah, because you're not scouring the wavers and how our trade deadlines pass. I'm just like, god, I am. This is dire. I basically just hope for like two points for whoever I throw in, because there's nothing left.
Week 12 Game Analysis
00:08:30
Speaker
Yeah, but that's why I keep throwing Justin Watson in my lineup. I've started Justin Watson like five times this year, which is more than I ever wanted to see Justin Watson, but it's been paying off. At this point, you probably got to start him even if you have better options because he's getting a lot of time. Staying the flames.
00:08:47
Speaker
But I mean, that's a good point. Why don't we move into the overall discussion on how week 12 went? Because Justin Watson will do that as the segue, because we're pros here. He did have another touchdown this week. But with it, I did one thing, because I'm also in my home zone or another league. It seems like my home ceiling is kind of capped right now. He's not having any of these ball games that you expect from him. But you did see Rashid Rice really step up, maybe start usurping.
00:09:17
Speaker
I like to call for Justin Watson. It's the one for two for one role. But Pacheco really seems to be the star there. It's the player who coming into the season you weren't sure we're going to have. He looks like he's potentially a top 15 running back going forward. Yeah, I mean, he's amazing. Every single time he touches the ball, I'm just like, this guy is so incredibly good. It was like last year when he first came on, it was like a lot of camp hype. And you know, I said it's rounder, I think. Yeah. But he's insanely good. He's honestly one of my favorite running backs to watch in the whole week.
00:09:47
Speaker
Tiny too, but he runs fierce. Love it. Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned Mahomes, but his ceiling just hasn't been there. But two quarterbacks who have had the ceilings, the Bills and the Eagles, quite the game there for the week. Both teams just kind of went crazy from a fantasy perspective. And it was also an amazing game. But the Bills just keep losing for some reason. I feel like they keep having
00:10:17
Speaker
big offensive days but not actually pulling out the win in the game. But again, Josh Allen had four touchdowns.
00:10:25
Speaker
On the other side, Hertz had, I think it was five touchdowns, right? Yeah, three passing, two rushing. And Phil Yates mentioned it was the first time ever that two quarterbacks in the same game had at least two passing and at least two rushing touchdowns each, which is pretty wild, especially if you own both of those quarterbacks like one of our esteemed hosts. That's partially why I had to mention it. But yeah, no, it also was an amazing game.
00:10:52
Speaker
It was weird because it didn't feel like that for most of it either because I was watching initially like the first half of it. Then I had to start getting the kids ready. And then I kept checking my phone. I'm like, what is going on in this game? It was like a dub at the first half. But those two quarterbacks and offenses, it takes like 10 seconds to get down the field. So they can now ramp up the points real quick. Yeah, for sure.
00:11:14
Speaker
But another big, big showing that I know that the team's getting, our league is getting excited about. At least for me, I have them in one dinosaur league. I know Joe has them in ours.
00:11:23
Speaker
the Falcons with Bajan. He is finally showing up, which is scary if you're playing a Bajan owner right now because they have a pretty good schedule going forward. We talked about earlier in the season. He didn't have the strong start this season. He wanted, but he looks like he's going to be a potential league winner. Joe, as an owner, what are your thoughts on what you're seeing out of Atlanta?
00:11:48
Speaker
I'm happy to see him getting red zone activity. There's still more Tyler Algier than I'd like. You know, like I was watching that game and just like whenever you kind of see like a lumbering guy running directly into his old lines back, I'm like, ah, this must be Tyler Algier.
00:12:06
Speaker
But it's good to see that they're giving Bijan more looks in the red zone. And he's super elusive and does stuff with him. And he's getting targets too. And he's doing stuff with those as well. That was a great catch, too. That wasn't just a little in the backfield catch and run. He caught that over the shoulder. Ritter is not good, but he has moments. And that was a good, decent pass for him. I know you hate Ritter, though.
00:12:34
Speaker
You know like it's I just I didn't think he was very good in college and yeah, I don't think he's great now, but I think I think I'm biased just because I Had a very negative view of Atlanta early in the season because of the way that they were using Bijon so as long as he's getting quality looks then Desmond Ritter can throw terrible interceptions to blow the game only once
00:13:00
Speaker
Well, they won. And I think they're leading the division now, which is just wild. That's what I was going to say. I feel like they're the opposite of the bills. The bills put up these huge offensive numbers, but they just can't win. And then the Falcons are the opposite. They just keep winning somehow. And I feel like they're not that good. But they win. Are you saying the bills need to hire Arthur Smith? That we were saying, right? I don't think that would solve it. But another huge game that is good.
00:13:28
Speaker
setting the stage for the future of this division was the Jags versus Texans because you had two young franchise quarterbacks and Trevor Lawrence and CJ Shroud going back to back like punch for punch there and the Jags they come out on top but both teams had a great show and there was a lot of fantasy goodness to be had there.
00:13:47
Speaker
Trevor Lawrence, I just want to say, after a QB1 performance last week, QB6 this week, dominating, he's getting some touchdowns now, which is great to see. Ridley's flashing, which is helping Lawrence's ascension, and Kirk was still solid, Ingram still is not getting touchdowns, but getting solid work. But ETN is kind of like, it seems like
00:14:07
Speaker
So if Lawrence does well, ETM doesn't do well and vice versa. So it really depends on who gets the touchdowns there. So ETM hasn't really been efficient really most of the year, I think, in the ground, but he's been getting the touchdowns. So you take those away and he hasn't been as getting the ceiling that you wanted. And from the Texan side, CJ Shroud, I mean, we just say it every week, he was great making the players look good.
00:14:27
Speaker
Tanked out might be the best rookie wide receiver in this class right now. I'm not going to say that for sure, but you have to start putting him in that discussion. He had another great outing for 5 for 50 and a touchdown and Nico Collins got the mix and Singletary still dominating work in your word about Damien Pierce if you're an owner there. But where are you guys taking that game? Yeah, I mean, I really wanted Houston to pull it out personally. Might have had him.
00:14:56
Speaker
Moneyline. But it was impressive that the way that they fought back, right? And it's nice to see that. You know, my thing, the one comment that I'll make about watching CJ Stroud is just like, he extends the play a lot in the backfield, he's always looking for receivers open downfield, and he usually finds receivers open downfield, but I just feel like
00:15:22
Speaker
He takes big hits back there, too. He runs around, runs around, runs around. And before you know it, he just kind of gets sized up. And I'm just worried that he's going to run around too long. He could probably benefit from throwing it away and not taking these massive hits. That being said, he played a great game. He probably could have, I don't remember the exact situation on that last drive, but it was like a second or third down.
00:15:52
Speaker
trying to trying to make the first down rather than just pick up another like 5 to 10 yards like he could have either ran it or like thrown just a short pass that would have made like brought the field goal a little bit closer rather than just like going for the tip to make the whatever they were had to gain like 20 something yards 25 yards because he got sacked. And that ended up obviously causing them because the field goal ended up like hitting the crossbar. But you know, he's a rookie after all he's human. Still an amazing game still
00:16:23
Speaker
a top, you know, probably at this point six or seven dynasty quarterback for fantasy. Every week I feel like you just are like, yeah, this guy is going to lead. Yeah. Fun to watch and fun game. Yeah. And another game, uh, more so it's just, uh,
00:16:40
Speaker
It was, I believe this was on Thanksgiving, the Thursday night of the last game was the 49ers and the Seahawks. More so just saying that see Christian McCaffrey still doing CMC things. Two touchdowns, this guy's a cheat code. I was like looking at total points.
00:16:56
Speaker
for all players. And he's like, if he was a quarterback, I think it'd be like the QB, like eight or something like that. The guy at a running back position, which is just crazy. That's such a, especially in the super flex, like you could have gotten one quarterback if you had CMC, which someone did. Cause again, such an advantage there. Purdy was just okay. But the main reason why I called that out is there were three rush touchdowns. So Purdy had a good matchup.
00:17:17
Speaker
didn't get the point you wanted to. CMC obviously got two of them, but Deebo was starting to look pretty good and wanted to start calling that out because he did get the other rushing touchdown there and got some work in passing games.
00:17:31
Speaker
I gave Debo a very strong look from my lineup this week against Phil Debo. I may have added him in. That's also why I'm talking about it. But Ayuk was good. I also want to call it out because we had a touchdown parlay player from each game. And Ayuk was the last one. He got a elite touchdown for us to seal that win for us. But Ayuk only had two catches. But he is continually coming through and getting those deeper shots on full play action, which you love to see.
00:18:00
Speaker
but in Seattle was a mess. Charves was like he got the work, was inefficient, but more so is that all three wide receivers were great, but I really want to see what you guys think about JSN, because I love his long term potential, but I just don't think he's helping anyone this year. No, not this year. Yeah, and I think Geno Smith has kind of taken a step back, which is a big part of it, so you're just not seeing the production from DK lock in JSN. So we'll see what happens next year,
00:18:29
Speaker
Yeah, this year is probably kind of over for them. Yeah. I don't think the NFL did Seahawks any favors with their schedule. I mean, you go 49ers,
Team Performance and Coaching Changes
00:18:38
Speaker
I think they have Dallas, right? Yep. And they have 49ers again. I think they have them again before the end of the season. I want to say it was like, like two of them, like three weeks, they had like the 49ers. I mean, I mean, Gino is not like the quarterback you want in general. I mean, yeah.
00:18:56
Speaker
There's a lot of divisional games where you play the same team in a three-week period. I know the Texans and the Titans have that. I know the Giants and the Eagles have that, which is going to be a bloodbath.
00:19:13
Speaker
you plan against the 49ers and you're not going to have a good statistical day so that you understand like a lot of those players stat lines are going to be, you know, reduced a bit, but, uh, okay. Yeah. After this brutal stretch of San Francisco, Dallas, San Francisco, they get Philadelphia who's, um, passing defense is not great at this, at the moment. And then Tennessee and Pittsburgh. So yeah, but they have an okay,
00:19:43
Speaker
passing schedule. But I don't know that that signals good things to come for JSN without injury. And I'm all in on JSN as a prospect. I think if he was in an offense, like if he was getting the opportunities that Jordan Addison was getting, he would be putting up the same exact numbers. And he's been just as impressive with the opportunities he's had. The problem is he's got two really good receivers ahead of him. He's probably fourth option in the offense.
00:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean he made one amazing catch in that game, but I think that's really what's coming down. People thought he was just going to supplant lock it. I think was like the because lock is older and. Lock it's got staying power and we'll see what happens in the offseason and with that wide receiver room, but until until rocket moves on or ages out like Jason's upside is going to be limited, I think.
00:20:37
Speaker
They have years left. I think long it's got two more years left, one year, two years left on his deal and then they can cut him. They have an out after one, after one year for less dead cap hit, but, and Metcalf just signed. So like they have, they have, he's, it's, I've been trying to like, soot or nose. I've literally had spent a few months trying to acquire him and unsuccessfully, but.
00:21:01
Speaker
Because I'm in on the talent, but every time I want to bump my offer up, I go to Spodetrack and I look at the contract situation for Lockett and Metcalf. And I'm just like, these guys stay healthy. It could be a while. Yeah, exactly. The talent's so deniable, but situation does matter. And then quarterbacks, it's going to be up in the air in Seattle in the near future, too. So we'll see what happens there. But for a quarterback that won't be going anywhere, at least in the near future, but the quarterback that did leave,
00:21:30
Speaker
Frank Wright is out in Carolina. I mean, that team is one of the worst looking teams I've seen in a while, especially with a number one overall pick. I mean, obviously, you don't expect the rookies to be amazing out of the gate. But I don't know. Maybe it is the coaching, but it's hard to imagine how bad Bryce Young would be. But that whole offense just fell apart, especially this past week. Stevens did nothing. He went one for two yards. Sanders had 28 yards. And how many carries do you think that was?
00:22:00
Speaker
15, he's getting a lot of work. And he just thinks. And Mingo, he flashed a little bit, but he also really ran out of bounds when he could have cut a ball. So I don't know. Things are just a mess there. And yeah, it's just terrible to say that happened to a young quarterback. But what do you guys thought? Do you think things are going to improve for Bryce without Frank Wright or what? I think it's going to take some time. Like you said, I think it's kind of a whole team issue here.
00:22:31
Speaker
You know kind of came out of nowhere and was the wide receiver one and was having huge fantasy days But the reality is he's not someone you really want as your wide receiver one right now So that coupled with Sanders just not being good and I mean go being the only other real option there I think is gonna hold him back for a little bit But hopefully it helps and he turns it around a little bit and then can have a more productive year, too Yeah
00:23:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. They got to go into free agency and have to get a guy like a T Higgins or someone over there to help Bryce or something. But it is brutal there. And also, if you own Thielen, especially with the head coach being out there, you don't know what the offense is now going to look like. He was being featured early on. They made a change with the play caller.
00:23:21
Speaker
his value might be drying up with his age. So we'll see. And I think he's younger than us, so that's weird to say. But also, another big game, not a fun one exactly to watch, was the Steelers Bengals. I think this was the first time the Steelers had 400 yards of offense in over 2 and 1.5 years or something like that, which is just a crazy stat to say. I think it was the longest one. But the biggest winner out of that game was Pat Fryermuth.
00:23:49
Speaker
Muth is loose. He got back. He I don't know. We're obviously tied in premium league. I want to see how high you guys are kind of viewing for our youth go forward. So. The Bengals this year for whatever reason I have no idea. I don't know when I was alerted to this. It was at some point when I was doing like research before a prime time game trying to decide who to put in my parlay, but apparently they have like a historically terrible defense against the tight end so.
00:24:19
Speaker
I kind of like, I had the thought like, Oh, you know, maybe this would be a week for Friday move. I'm, I'm, I'm high on him, but I want to, I want to see it another time or two beyond just the against the Bengals because I kind of had a thought going into that game that it might be a good
00:24:40
Speaker
opportunity and they literally threw it to him on the first pass of the game for like 30 yards up the seam. And it's kind of just like, all right, well, clearly their coaching is aware that this team can't come to the tight end because they're going to him right away. They threw the ball to him like twice over the last two weeks. Uh, so I think, I mean, he's great. He's been great for even earlier this season, before he got hurt, you know, he had a couple big games, a couple of big touchdown passes, uh, receptions. So not,
00:25:10
Speaker
not incredibly high on him at the moment, right? I wouldn't say like top five, top, but like, you know, maybe, maybe like in the eight to 10 range. I like that. I'm with it. Also other players that stepped up was Najee Harris actually had a good game. Warren had a fumble. He's a, you know, if you listen, you know, I love Warren, but that was not his best game. And from the bangle side, it is just kind of a mess there. The Steelers obviously won that, I know,
00:25:40
Speaker
Joey, you were thinking they weren't going to be a playoff team. I just don't see how they aren't a playoff team with their schedule. But Chase, if you look at the box score, seemed like he had an OK game, 4 for 81. If you watched the game, there were two of those four catchers were off a tip passes by the defender that he just made a crazy play. And somehow, come on, you're just like, how is this happening? But get one of those in the game. It's crazy. He had two of that. So that was like half his yardage. So you got to be worried if you're relying on Chase for your playoff run right now.
00:26:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, really any bangle. I mean, no Joe Burrow. That team is obviously going to take a massive hit. So you probably don't want to be relying anyone on that team for the fantasy playoffs. Even the rush game was abysmal, which was pretty crazy. I think Joe makes it, I think, at like less than 25 yards on the ground, which is crazy. Pittsburgh is good, though. Division game. I think that there's the possibility that they could do something. I don't know what their schedule is like down the stretch,
00:26:40
Speaker
Ideally, we kind of had a feeling it wasn't going to be the best for Jake Browning going against Pittsburgh in his first start. Yeah, but someone coming back in their first start in a while that had a great day is Joey's man. I'll let you take it away. It was Kyron Williams. Yeah, Kyron Williams looked
00:27:02
Speaker
Absolutely incredible. He had 143 yards on the ground. He had how many yards receiving? 60 something yards receiving over 200 yards from scrimmage for the game. Two touchdowns. Yeah, yeah. So two touchdowns. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I mean he was. He was incredible and it's it's. I my expectations were low because a lot of times you see these guys come back and from injury and like the first game.
00:27:33
Speaker
I probably should have read the tea leaves when they cut Darryl Henderson. Yeah. Or they even saw Kyron Williams take a snap, but they felt pretty good about how he was looking. They took his time with him too, because they had to buy. So I think he had an extra week or two to get back. So he was clearly healthy.
00:27:51
Speaker
Yeah, he's awesome. And the offense fits him perfectly. And as the season has progressed early in the season, I thought it was going to be more of like a flash in the pan type situation. But as the season progresses, I'm more and more confident that this might be something that he can replicate or carry into next year.
00:28:10
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, obviously, I've been a major skeptic. And after this game, I don't think they're moving away from him after this season, personally. And I've never thought he was that good on the field. He looked fast. The card's D sucks. So maybe it was just their slow defenders. But he was just blown past defenders. So I was like, I don't remember Kyron being able to do this. And it helped staffers, who's like, if you're going to the playoffs, staffers was a cheap quarterback. He threw for four touchdowns.
00:28:37
Speaker
2 to Karen and 2 to who? Tyler Higby who hadn't had a touchdown all season. So if you're a puka or Cooper Cup owner, you were very disappointed in what was a plus plus plus matchup. Yeah, but the Cooper Cup situation is. Headache doesn't look like a great one now every time he gets tackled because he's like that he stays down. It's tough.
00:29:01
Speaker
Yeah, and then on the other side, I mean, Kyler looks okay. He had a rushing touchdown. Hollywood started to get the target chair, and Trey McBride is easily the most reliable, I think, option in Arizona, and looking like an upper half tight end one right now, because someone you know who's going to get the work, get enough catches, and has the upside of a touchdown every single week. So that's exciting to see that. That's continuing each single week here.
00:29:30
Speaker
Arizona as a team, I think looks good. I'm happy to see what I see from Kyler. I think they currently have the number two pick. So if number one ends up being a quarterback in some capacity, either the Bears trade to somebody else or the Bears decide to take a quarterback and the Cardinals end up potentially with Marvin Harrison Jr. Maybe they decide to just stick it out with Kyler and add Marvin Harrison. I think that would be pretty awesome. So we'll see.
00:30:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, definitely looks good there, but doesn't look as good as what's going in in Dallas. I think, I know Matt Preseau, we're talking about looking for Dak in the DK lineup, wasn't an option there. But he is, he's going to win people leagues this year, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, especially in our Albany league, Ryan is going to win the back trade, huh?
Dynasty League Trade Insights
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah, he's coming out like a bandit in that. Dak trade worked out for sure, yeah. I mean, he's looking unbelievable.
00:30:30
Speaker
throwing four touchdowns multiple times in the last couple weeks. 18 touchdowns and two picks in the last five or six games. It's so ridiculous. And his schedule doesn't get hard ever. The rest of the year, he's got Seattle this week. Horrible defense. He's got Philly.
00:30:53
Speaker
Horrible secondary and he's got Buffalo. We saw that just get lit up by Hertz He had Miami who obviously gets lit up and has a ton of points there Especially if it's good team then you get the Lions who have a horrible secondary They got lit up by Jordan love and then even the close of the year in week 18 where we're not playing it's the commanders Who's thinking defense like it's gonna be insane at the end of the year? He's just he might be the QB one to close out the season To be fair the Dolphins did just shut up the Jets
00:31:18
Speaker
Yes. Well, Tim Boyle, I think they throw a touchdown on him. So if you're going to let Tim Boyle throw a TD on you, maybe he could be the wrong way as well. So that's true. But do you know how many games Zach Wilson did not throw a touchdown? And you have arguably a worse quarterback throwing one against you, which I guess, I mean, talk about that game.
00:31:41
Speaker
Even if you're on Breece Hall, I don't know how you're feeling right now. Because on the ground, he hasn't eclipsed over 50 yards. I think he had 51 time, but he hasn't gone over 50 yards since week five on the ground. He's getting a lot of work in the passing game, which is propping up his value. But it is just rough having any pieces of that offense in your team where you had such high hopes. I mean, we mentioned Rogers is coming back. Who knows if that's going to save you at all.
00:32:05
Speaker
It's rough there. And obviously, when you play against the Dolphins, I just always want to say this. Every single week with Tyreek, he has at least one play where he does something that no one else can do. And he's the most consistently unstoppable player I think I've ever seen. The guy is just insane, which is not fair. Even though the Jets defense is good, he still just got his. Tyreek's pretty expensive on DK this week. And worth it.
00:32:39
Speaker
Speaking of foreshadowing the DK lineup, Dave, I want to get a temperature check from you real quick on the commanders. You talked about that Dallas game and the offense has looked funky, if you will, for lack of a better word, the last two weeks, two weeks ago against the Giants. I don't know if that's just the thing where they just don't play well against the Giants. And then last week,
00:33:03
Speaker
in Dallas.
00:33:05
Speaker
probably what we're going to talk it up to. But Sam Howell, confidence level, still high. Yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about Sam Howell at all. Giants, because this happened early in the year. That was one of the other wins that the Giants had. And I think the Mets started. The Giants just seemed to have their number. Howell was coming in blazing, played the Giants, and put up a stinker. And then after that was amazing. He gets to the Giants and put up a stinker. I think it's just the defensive scheme somehow gets to Howell, and he can't figure it out.
00:33:34
Speaker
And then the Cowboys have one of the best defenses in the entire league. They're arguably top three, if not the best defense. And I mean, they have one guy who I think has broke the record for pick sixes in the season. I think he was like six, which is crazy. But he still threw for 300 yards. And he didn't throw for touchdown. He had to throw one pick. But he rushed one in. So I'm not overly concerned. It is a weird offense.
00:34:01
Speaker
Picking your shot from like a pass catcher receipt option because they just spread the ball so much like Curtis Hamill was the lead this time and I mean Dotsett and Terry we're still okay, but
00:34:14
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's pretty crazy that he can and I'm impressed from a quarterback perspective because he's not just like honing in one player. He's like actually breathing the field and picking the open guy. But yeah, I mean, I like how I'm not worried about him. I think he's gonna be great. But as a owner of any of the pass catchers, like there's a lot of upside, but
00:34:37
Speaker
The floor is low. No consistency there. But I still believe it. I don't know if you guys agree, if I just have rose colored lenses that I'm looking at him through. I think it's going to depend on the coaching staff next year, right? I mean, I don't think the enemy's really helped himself by leaving Kansas City to try to get a head coaching job. And I think Rivera's gone. I mean, they're probably going to do an overhaul of the whole front office and everything. And you never know, a new coach, they could be like, all right, let's go trade up and get a quarterback.
00:35:08
Speaker
And Sam Howell could be looking for a job. And I'm sure he will get a job. I mean, Desmond Ritter's a quarterback. Tim Boyle's a quarterback. I'm just saying, I'll probably get a job somewhere. I don't think they'd move away from Howie yet. I think their coaching staff would still give him a chance. Because he's done great this year. He's still young. He's on a rookie contract. So that's the other thing. He hasn't played bad enough where you'd be concerned about his play. And he's cheap.
00:35:37
Speaker
If he was bad next year with the new coaching staff, then yes, he would be out the door, potentially. We get it. You love him. I love him. He's basically a rookie. Imagine if you drafted a rookie playing like Sam Hell. You'd be so pumped. He played one game last year. I want Sam Hell. I mean, jeez.
00:35:55
Speaker
If you were looking at mock drafts going into two seasons ago, people were thinking he was going to be a first rounder potentially. He slipped very far. I don't really understand it. But he looks great, in my opinion. I don't know. But why don't we talk about a rookie QB that actually looks great? DeVito. DeVito. He's winning games. I wish he wouldn't, but he is. Just won two in a row. That was pretty awesome.
00:36:26
Speaker
I know. I love the family stuff. But yeah, I feel like that's the only game we haven't talked about, obviously, probably because it was such a bad game. It's not a lot of fantasy goodness that we had there. Yeah, unless you're looking for guys that may be losing their jobs soon. But yeah, Giants win two in a row. You got to be pumped, Dave.
00:36:46
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's it's a fun story. It's just that it's so hard to get a top pick as a giant van, but whatever. I mean, technically, I guess the end of playoff on in that game, really, the only thing to take away, in my opinion, is the running back from Andre and Zeke are the only potentially valuable options in New England and Hyatt, which again, someone who maybe talking about later showed some flashes there and I'm I'm
00:37:14
Speaker
pretty excited about what I'm seeing out of there. But other than that, it's just like, why now? Like, I just started looking at, like, Caleb versus Drake May, and they start winning immediately. I'm like, did I do this? Did I jinx my team? So I don't know. Don't love it. I think, personally, that these other organizations are a little bit better at tactfully losing than the Giants.
00:37:42
Speaker
Like I just think, yeah, I think like the other side of the field. Yeah, I was gonna say, Belichick definitely said you better not hit this kick. Yeah, rub some baby on that football before they would just move the ball into Giants territory and then. Uh, Mack Jones would throw the most horrendous, disgusting interception, like getting a little bit of pressure, like just throws it directly to a Giants DB and I'm just like. It just.
00:38:12
Speaker
As he's coming out for that kick, it's like this random schmuck that I've never heard of before. I'm like, there's no possible way this guy's hitting this kick and yanks it six feet to the left. I don't know. I just, you can't, you can't convince me that the Patriots were trying to win that game. They're too savvy of an organization. Like I'm sure Kraft was telling Belichick one way or another. I've done a lot for you.
00:38:37
Speaker
you better lose every single game. Look as good as you can for the first 45 minutes, but lose.
00:38:46
Speaker
And just to close out the last two games that were the prime time games, Chargers, they can't win. Justin Herbert and Keenan are doing everything they can, literally everything. Keenan had 14 receptions for 106, and it's not enough. But the Ravens look great, but that's not translating to success, always, for Lamar Jackson there, who's putting up kind of average games. But this time, we actually did see a big show from Flowers. Zay Flowers there.
00:39:15
Speaker
He took an unnecessary touchdown to the house. There's some yards to close the game. It's like, just go down and the game's over. But the rookie wanted his stats there. But I wanted to get your thoughts on the charges. Offense overall, how do you feel about Lamar, maybe? And Echler, who doesn't really look that strong in the past couple of games? And I'm feeling like that cliff might be coming.
00:39:38
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like we talked about the Chargers a little bit on the last podcast, Dave, and how Herbert's having a great season. I think he was QB3 when we looked at it last week. And it's just not translating to real wins for them, which is kind of crazy. Very Bills-esque. Yeah, honestly, they're kind of having a Bills-type season where from a fantasy perspective, they've been great if you have the studs there. But from a real life perspective, they're just not winning games.
00:40:09
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, if you have Keenan, you love the volume, but it's tough if you're a fan for the Chargers. And just to close out the section, just because we have to talk about it, guys, even if it hurts us, the Monday Night Football game was gross. It was very, very gross. Somehow the Bears won. Didn't score a touchdown.
00:40:30
Speaker
But Fields had a couple moments, but he had two bad fumbles, and then also looked lost at other times. DJ Moore somehow still had like 11 for like 114 yards or something like that. It was a crazy stat. And Cole Komet looked all right, but I don't know what your guys' feeling on Fields is moving forward. And then Dobbs had easily the worst game after would spend a storybook.
00:40:53
Speaker
and so forth for him. He had four interceptions, but still almost won the game. But what were your guys' takeaways from one of the worst Monday night football games I've seen in a while? You know, a couple of those interceptions from Dobbs were tipped. I think actually two of them. I mean, granted, there was one where he put it on Jordan Addison's face right as he was breaking in on a route. And it's just probably had too much zip on it.
00:41:24
Speaker
I'm willing to let it slide. Me, personally, with Josh Dobbs, I'd be rolling him right back out there if I had him as quarterback on my team. It was a disgusting game. I'm interested to see what Chicago does with Justin Fields, too, to be totally honest, because he looks functional. They could trade him for, excuse me, they could trade him for quite a ransom, if you ask me. One of these quarterback needy teams, maybe even like Carroll, and maybe not Carroll. Not Carroll.
00:41:53
Speaker
One of these quarterback needy teams is going to go out there and give him a lot of money if he becomes available. Imagine him on Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh would be in contention for the number one seed in the AFC if they had somebody as competent as just a field to play quarterback for them. What about Atlanta? I think he's from Atlanta. I would like Atlanta. That would be nice, too. Run first, team. That's what he does. Yeah. So he's going to be great for someone.
00:42:20
Speaker
Sorry, he's going to be great for fantasy for some. Hopefully, hopefully he's great in actual football, too. But for fantasy, the production is the same thing with Kyler Murray, right? Like I don't think either of them are winning a Super Bowl, but they'll they'll be solid fantasy performers. Yeah, I feel like I've talked about fields a lot. I've kind of been down on him, obviously, from a fantasy perspective. He's a good quarterback to have, but
00:42:46
Speaker
I don't know, if I was the Bears, I almost would do what Joe is saying, trade them away for a ton right now while you can and kind of go from there. And then on the other side of the ball, Dobbs, storybook story, you know, had one bad game, hopefully bounces back and still gets to finish out the season. But regardless, I think he's played himself into some type of playing time next year somewhere, even if it's not on the Vikings.
00:43:13
Speaker
Yes well with that we're going to move into our next section so as I mentioned our trade deadline actually passed in our dynasty league and with that we kind of want to do a post-mortem on some of the trades that we actually saw go down in our league and kind of you know
00:43:29
Speaker
Now that we have some hindsight, see which trades we really liked during the year, what players that maybe we thought now looking back, look like their steals because their value has appreciated or players that people targeted that have kind of flopped. Because this is what you're doing when you're making trades. You're kind of calling your shot. You're hoping to get in on a player and seeing them ascend and doesn't always work out. We've all made good trades. We've all made bad trades. So we're just going to go through kind of
00:43:53
Speaker
Talk it through but with that being said I'm gonna toss it over to uh, tell us over you ride first What was your favorite trade of this past season? Yeah, so I went with the trade between Harrison and Dan and Scott Rapizotti at the time I thought it was a very fair trade they traded Bryce Hall and 2024 third round pick for Geno Smith Kenan Allen in a 2024 second round pick
00:44:22
Speaker
And I thought it was a good move. I, you know, Scott kind of a huge win now piece with Keenan Allen, although it doesn't look like it's going to pay off. Scott's kind on the verge of missing the playoffs, but had he made the playoffs, it would have been a huge move. And then Harrison and Dan got a valuable dynasty RB for the next year, knowing they were already done this year.
00:44:44
Speaker
You mentioned it a little bit earlier, Hall hasn't looked great, but I think the Jets overall have just looked terrible. So I think it's more of a team thing than really a Hall thing. So I think I'll bounce back at some point and be available running back going forward. So I thought it was a pretty fair trade. I liked it for both teams. And who knows, maybe it still works out for Scott.
00:45:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I love Bri. I'm not worried about Bruce. I think he's still a top five Tennessee running back. And the fact that he got a second round pick, which should be a pretty early pick, I think is also a pretty good asset for him to get back since I don't think he has any first. So that was a nice get for him, but got to appreciate it when players in our league go for it. But that was a good match of someone who's given up this year and someone else was trying to still win it, even though it didn't pay off.
00:45:34
Speaker
What about Mattie, our guest here today? What was your favorite trade? So mine was between the Wilkes and Joey. It was Mike Evans and Romeo Dobbs for Croped Dog's first round pick.
00:45:47
Speaker
I mean, I think this is similar to like what Ryan did. It said with the with the with the Scotch trade, it's just a team that's trying to get assets to try and win a championship. You know, Mike Evans, I mean, was he going for his 10th consecutive year of over 1,000 yards? I think he's at like 860 or something like that. And I mean, well, you have two touchdowns last week. Also, it's going towards Ryan's almost 200 points for the week.
00:46:17
Speaker
Romeo Dobbs is a nice young player. I mean, I feel like he's got a little boomer busting him a little bit, you know, maybe the consistency issues. But I mean, he's still like, I mean, he still puts up decent points, especially like in a week where you got like a bike apocalypse, like we got this week. I mean, he's just an easily plugged in guy.
00:46:33
Speaker
I mean Joey gets a draft capital it needs I mean for I mean it's it was the right move Evans a older player and you know how to sweeten a little bit with a younger player like Dobbs but I mean you end up getting a first round pick out of it and you know crope is one of those teams that's like on the fringe of making the playoffs and maybe he won't make the playoffs I mean he
00:46:52
Speaker
That first round pick could be either bottom six or top six. I mean, it's kind of like right there. And I know, Joey, I think in two pods ago was rooting for everyone. By the way, you're welcome. Yeah, I mean, to me, that was my favorite trade. And I mean, it was one that made sense for both sides altogether.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah, and I'll jump in, because Joey made two back-to-back trades, and I'll let you discuss a little bit more. You did these in tandem, and I think it was a great move overall. I think there was like, what, 30 minutes or less that occurred between them. But you also traded, Joey. You acquired Michael Pittman in 2024 fourth, and you traded with Mike Kaffer and Mike Williams. You traded away Jacobi Myers, Russell Wilson, and the 2024 third. And again, this is,
00:47:41
Speaker
what I love and down to see trades like this where you see one team that like is more going for the rebuild and another team that know is going forward this year and needs assets and they needed a quarterback back so Russell Wilson was a clear need there and Michael Pittman to me is a great great target for really any team but especially one that is looking to rebuild because I think he is a top 15 wide receiver of
00:48:03
Speaker
and like the past couple weeks, you start seeing the upside out of that, especially this past week. He's getting a ton of work there. He looks great. He potentially even becoming like a wide receiver one overall in dynasty. So I thought it was a great trade. The picks.
00:48:18
Speaker
just to even it out, like you throw in later picks. It doesn't really matter at that point, but it just makes people feel better about the, the trader role. And Jacobi Myers did step up this week. So there is potential that he could help the, the, uh, the mics get through in the, um, to the playoff rounds. But I think it was a savvy move for both teams. Uh, but I loved, especially when you put the two trades in tandem for you, uh, for Joe, I like, uh, like we did. Yeah, you know, um,
00:48:44
Speaker
It's kind of worked out right where you see Pittman. I mean, Pittman, Pittman's had a strong season most of the way, but Russ, Russ has really put it together. I mean, obviously the team's on like a five or six game winning streak. They're probably the hottest team in the league and he's been playing really well. He's not thrown interceptions. So it seems like he's kind of settled into the offense and he's on that long contract. There were a little bit of concerns early in the year, like, will he get bench? What's going to happen? Is Sean Payton going to end that?
00:49:11
Speaker
But at this point, you kind of feel pretty good about Russ. He'll probably be, I mean, at least from with how he's playing right now, you feel pretty confident in his outlook. And yeah, I mean, for me, it was let's just try and capitalize on some of Jacobi Myers, who I thought was maybe a little bit of a sell high, although he's still putting up big weeks like he did this week. Try and get somebody who is young and with a little more future
00:49:42
Speaker
future upside. And similar to Russ, Mike Evans has been, I mean, Mike Evans, again, has looked pretty good all season, but past couple weeks, he's really been getting it done for. Yeah, he's been on fire. And it's funny, we talk about Croped Dog's pick. I just realized as I was kind of like evaluating the standings, either today or last night, my team had like an unusually strong week and knocked
00:50:11
Speaker
beach looter right now cluter back to six and six which in retrospect kind of sucks because if I had lost right like Schluter goes to seven and five and he's another person who's in contention to potentially hold crop out of the playoffs rights crops at seven and five if Scott had won last week he would have been six and six if I had if I had thrown the match to Schluter he would have been seven and five
00:50:38
Speaker
I never really want to like just do a little bit of a tank ski against somebody who's in your division. But yeah, you know, I was just like, God, if only I had just lost a Schluter, the likelihood that Krop would have been in the bottom six would have been at least some percentage points higher right now.
00:50:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's the next two weeks. I think I think you play croat this week. So I do, but I don't have a full lineup, which I'm not feeling about because he's he's got a Tyreek going against the commanders, which is terrifying. We'll see. Maybe you won't play. Oh, yeah, maybe I need a chance to come back. I have no Hawkinson. So I think I'm rolling out Chig. We'll see.
00:51:20
Speaker
but I don't know what the options I got this week. But yeah, I mean, the other thing about your team too, it's funny, cause you made some of these trades and as we mentioned, Bajan's coming, your team is actually scary now going to like, you almost beat me last week and you didn't have Bajan or Pitman, which I was like, this is very serendipitous here. So your division, even though you got a little record, the trades you've made or win for the future, but they certainly help you this year too. So it's gonna be a battle. But Joe, what was your favorite trade
00:51:50
Speaker
Yeah, so for me, I think the most interesting trade was probably the two chrysolave boots that took place in a span of seven or eight days. I think this is interesting, mostly because you don't really see top wide receivers get traded frequently in Dynasty at all, right? Because they're such high value assets, but a lot of them managed to get traded twice in seven days.
00:52:19
Speaker
first got acquired by Team Clark, along with a first round pick for Diggs, Pierce, and Rishi Rice. So, I mean, honestly, looking at that trade, obviously now we can look back with a little bit of retrospect and we know that Rishi Rice is
00:52:38
Speaker
has blossomed a bit since then. Damien Pierce hasn't been so great. And even Diggs probably was better in the first half of the season than he has been the last couple of weeks. But I look at that trade as a huge win. That initial trade is a huge win for Team Clark, right, to acquire Chris Olave and a first for, you know, obviously Diggs. Diggs is great, but he's on the older side, right? You don't even know if he's going to be in Buffalo next year. So I like that.
00:53:06
Speaker
I thought it was kind of a steal for him, but then ended up trading him a week later to Dave. You know, Dave, fucking Dave, just like, hoodwinked him.
00:53:20
Speaker
Now, I traded it today for a couple of more solid depth pieces, I think, and JK Dobbitt's corpse, which we've talked about a couple times. They added that in, I didn't even offer that. They were like, get this guy off me. They wanted it, I was like, yeah, sure. But if you put these two pieces together, then it ends up being,
00:53:50
Speaker
Pierce, Diggs, Pierce, Rice, and two firsts. I'm sorry, for two firsts, Lockett and Judy, right? I'm not even going to include J.K. Dodd in the spoils because it may as well just drop. Diggs, Pierce and Rice for two firsts, Lockett and Judy, which is still good, right? Like that's that's still like a good outcome, I think, for Team Clark. I don't think it's as good as if they had just kept a lot of it. But still, right. Like, you know, I think
00:54:16
Speaker
I think net net, those are two interesting trades and involves three teams. And I do think the second trade where you grabbed Olave was a good buy low on a really valuable asset. He had, Chris Olave had a couple tough weeks in the middle of the season where Derek Carr looked terrible and you just kind of like, there was a little bit of a, the public opinion was swaying a bit
00:54:46
Speaker
and I feel like you kind of capitalized there. But yeah, those super interesting trades, I thought they were all pretty fair and yeah.
00:54:57
Speaker
Those are the kind of blockbusters that you like to see. Yeah, there's definitely fireworks. And on the Alave, I think I was texting you on the side right after it. I was getting very antsy. I was trying to get Alave from Schluter. It wasn't happening. And then when they went to Clark, I was like, all right, new blood has no idea how hard I've been trying to get Alave with it. And he had another bad week. And I was actually playing to Clark. Clark saw us that week, so it was like,
00:55:22
Speaker
don't want to play against a lot of it, because I think he's going to blow up. But also, I was like, this is, in my opinion, the last chance to maybe get a lot of it. Because as you mentioned, these type of players are not usually available. And I think this is the most attainable he'll ever be. So I went hard. I was like, we've got to make this work. I've got to get this guy. Good moves. Very good moves.
00:55:45
Speaker
Yeah, moving on though, but as we mentioned, and we kind of talked about some of this is just some of these players that are appreciating advice since the trades. And I know we're talking about a lot of this, so I'm going to lead this over to you, Matt. But like, what are some players that you think since the trade have kind of rose in value?
00:56:03
Speaker
So mine actually was, I mean, originally I had Josh Dobbs, and after Monday nights came, I switched that to Chris Olave. I love it. I mean, when you look at Olave, I mean, it's crazy. Like last year, he probably should have been rookie of the year, right, had he not gotten all the injuries. And then he gets Derek Carr compared to Andy Dalton, who would have thought Andy Dalton would have been a better quarterback for Chris Olave than Derek Carr.
00:56:33
Speaker
But, um, it seems like James Winston now has shown the blueprint, what to do with the Lave throw it in his area, in the area that he is. And Chris Olave will make a play on the ball and Derek Carr obviously does the same thing and gets him a concussion because he. Yeah. But I mean, if you, the last two weeks, I mean, he had 18.4 points, then last week he had 14.9 points. And I'm pretty sure he exited pretty early, right? Yeah.
00:56:59
Speaker
He had a huge first half. He had like almost a hundred yards in the first half, I think. Yeah, I was going to say it was like the early second half. I mean, he literally still had half a game left and he was over a hundred yards. And then if he can play this week, I mean, he plays Detroit, which is a very, not a great defense.
00:57:16
Speaker
And, uh, that's probably going to be one of those games where they're going to, it's going to be probably, uh, could be a shootout, right? Right. It's Carolina. So, I mean, you're looking at the last two, two weeks of the regular season, the vision match-ups of Chris O'Vlave, if you can play, I mean, hope, I mean, if you can, it is what it is, but if you can't, I mean, you're looking at.
00:57:35
Speaker
two pretty juicy match ups for Chris Olave. And I mean, the overall trade when you got him, I mean, Lockett and Judy, I mean, who knows Lockett's getting old, JK no legs, like you guys are saying.
00:57:52
Speaker
Is he gonna play, JK? Yeah. I mean, he's working out with Aaron Rodgers, so who knows. He might be back by week 17. You really got a lobby for a 2024 first and second rounder. I mean, if you really think about where you're picking, I mean, you're the number one in the league. I mean, you could potentially have a bye, so...
00:58:14
Speaker
Right off the bat, you're talking about your first round pick would be a bottom four pick, right? I mean, if you said, if you said to anyone, oh, I'm going to pick at number eight, it's like that would be the best case scenario, right? And you'd be like, I'm going to get a Chris Olave at number eight. I mean, you would take that any day. Oh, yeah. Really? That's the way I looked at it was as a first and second. The second was kind of almost a sweetener at the time because I mean, Olave was not playing well. And I actually was shocked when Schluter traded him because we tried to get him for a while. And like, you know, it was back and forth, back and forth.
00:58:44
Speaker
But he seemed pretty adamant that he wasn't going to trade him. I mean, the trade he got for him, I mean, I get it. He likes Rashid. I mean, it was a good trade. And I was just like, wow, he actually traded him. And then a week later, I was like, damn, I was like, who would have thought Chris Olave would have been traded twice in like a week. It was pretty wild. But I mean, for me, he's like the guy on the rise right now. And especially with a juicy matchup, I mean, he could win you the division if he plays, I guess.
00:59:08
Speaker
I need them to. So let's hope so. But yeah. Your points against is going to probably be. That's right. That's right. That's right. My team plays great D. But. Against those U2 top assets, right? Yeah, exactly. Points against. Everyone should do as well with points against as I do. It's everyone else's fault, not me. But Joe, what about you? What player did you think was on the rise that's been traded?
00:59:39
Speaker
Yeah, it's still probably Josh Dobbs for me. I just think that he's been pretty functional all year. And I think he's done enough where even if Minnesota moves on, he probably finds an opportunity with another team. He's been rushing. He's had a couple. He had two rushing touchdowns already for Minnesota. And I think he got him
01:00:03
Speaker
I think he was acquired for a 2026 third. Yeah, second. But when that went down, I didn't realize it was 2026 until like a week later. And that trade just still makes me laugh, because it just points out how wrong you could be on the initial trade. I was like, what are you trading for dobs on? The guy's not going to play anymore.
01:00:24
Speaker
well and behold, gets traded and was doing great again. So what a trade. Exactly why we traded them. We were like, Tyler's coming back. Cardinal said, we're not trading him. And Dan and I were like, well, we'll get anything for him. And even if it's a 0.26 second, like, whatever, we'll throw it out there. And again, Scott needed a quarterback. And with Tana Hill early in the season, we were like, all right, you want another quarterback? Here you go.
01:00:48
Speaker
I'll tell you what in 20 at the end like the middle to the end of next season. You're gonna be like, oh, yeah, we got a nice extra second. Yeah That out for some stuff See what it turns into I mean at the time it definitely made sense and that's why we're talking about him here cuz you know his value has just risen so much since the trade happened and it's a starting quarterback now could potentially be
01:01:13
Speaker
you know, be a starting quarterback somewhere next year. So kind of crazy. It looked like a, it looked like a one week fill in that now has multiple weeks for it, which yeah, crazy, crazy, but that's dynasty for you. But right. What about you? What player is on the rise that you saw was traded? I had him as well. Um, and then the, the other guy I had, Dave, I know you're going to talk about, I'll just mention him quick, but we talked about Rashid Rice already. Uh, just had a huge game.
01:01:40
Speaker
looking like he could probably be that wide receiver one in Kansas City now. So, you know, at the time he was traded, I think he was more of like a throw in, but now it's looking like he might actually be one of the more valuable assets in that whole trade.
01:01:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think he might be the highlight for Schluter in that trade now, because he looked great. He's looked explosive. He has flashed. And after this week, I think he had double digit targets for the first time this season.
01:02:12
Speaker
someone needs to take over as wide receiver one in that on that team like just anyone please anyone someone do it and Rashid rice looks like the best option there so like to get him in as a throw in like yeah you traded away atop wide receiver but schluger's going for it this year so I get the trade and I think
01:02:30
Speaker
I think it was a fair trade at the time, but getting Rashid Rice has really made it look like a much stronger haul for Schluter there, so I've been high on him. I try to also peek at him a little bit post that trade as well to get Rice, but he was high on Rice from the start, so that wasn't going to happen, but I thought that was a great, great nap.
01:02:50
Speaker
But there's obviously, there's a few steals there, but there's a lot more flops. Because you know, you take a shot, not everything pays out there. So talk about some of the players that maybe didn't pan out well. And Ryan, I'll let you start off, because you got a couple funny ones. Yeah, the one I just have to mention is Zach Wilson, just because he was traded. The timing would have been better. Yeah, the timing again. He was traded and then literally benched within, I think it was like a day or two?
01:03:18
Speaker
You know of the trade happening. I think the trade happened like Sunday morning and he was real unfortunate timing There but it was only a third round pick. So hopefully you didn't end up given too much, but He'd be untradable right now. So great great timing For of that trade and then another one that shooters involved in we traded with him
01:03:45
Speaker
preseason Madison and Stevenson coincidentally they were both in that same trade but at the time you thought you were getting a solid starting RB with at least some like top 15 upside from either one both have underperformed drastically Madison's the RB 28 and had tons of fumble problems and you know Ty Chandler is almost taking over there now and
01:04:11
Speaker
Stevenson has looked better, but the Patriots have been just such a mess that his value has been really hurt. And I know earlier in the season, we even gave him the he's not that guy award. So, you know, just has been a bad trade for both sides, really, which I guess makes it a fair trade, but neither guy has really performed.
01:04:33
Speaker
There's one other player in that trade that looked pretty bad as well. I think it was Jamison Williams. Jamison Williams. He's still got some value, though. He's had some touchdowns and some catches. Some is a good word for that. But no, no. That trade was just stinky from the south. But Jamison probably has the most upside run from Ramadre. It's looking like he maybe bounced back a second half. But another player who kind of has the same arc as that, I think, is the one Joe's going to talk about.
01:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, Tony Pollard was the first one that came to mind. But you can't even really say Tony Pollard right now, though, because the last two weeks, he's kind of coming back into form. And the timing couldn't be better for you guys, Matt, as you're heading into playoffs, right? So I get the feeling, and we talked earlier about Dallas' schedule being softish coming down the stretch. Obviously, Dak is throwing the ball.
01:05:26
Speaker
very, very well. And that's probably contributed to the fact that Pollard doesn't have as many rushing touchdowns this year as he had last year. But the yards per carry have improved the last two weeks. And he looked like he had more juice on Thanksgiving. So you can't really say Pollard if I had to throw out an honorable mention. Amari Cooper, the Amari Cooper Baker Mayfield trade. I mean,
01:05:56
Speaker
Again, like a little bit of a poopy trade on both sides. Baker, I think, has been a little bit better. Cooper has had his struggles, obviously, with Watson's injury being a major factor there. Injuries, he's just always... Yeah. And I mean, now he's banged up on top of the fact that the quarterback situation there continues to be a carousel. So I'd say...
01:06:20
Speaker
Mark Cooper is definitely an honorable mention just for a guy that looked like he was going to be promising early in the season and then just really has kind of fallen off. Yeah. And, uh, what about, uh, Matt, you have another running back that it was burning bright early in the season, but, uh, post-trade not looking great.
01:06:39
Speaker
I mean, to be fair, he was declining prior to the trade, but kind of Walker. I mean, last four weeks, two point two points, then he had twenty one point two points. But I think he took like one reception, 64 yards to the house, which, yeah. Right. Two point one points did not play. Doesn't look like he's playing this week. And if he does, it's Dallas. And then if he plays next week in San Francisco, I mean, on top of that, I mean, it's like the Rashad Penny and try to think who was the running back then who like Chris Carson.
01:07:09
Speaker
Yeah.
01:07:26
Speaker
It's like the Super Bowl over again. No, don't give it a marshall. Let's throw it. Let's throw it to like the the the quarterback. Like it's crazy. I think sometimes Pete Carroll just can't help himself. He just likes to add chaos and fuel to the fire, right? Yeah. So, I mean, it's weird because like you thought at the beginning of the season because I was down on them because I was like, oh, they got sharp and it's the whole thing in the beginning of the season. He was on fire. Yeah. It's right back in the league.
01:07:52
Speaker
And all of a sudden it's just like, I mean, you talk about a cliff. I mean, like he just like just felt, I mean, you just like, it was like ran into a wall. He did. It was just, it wasn't even gradual. I feel like it was just, he ran into a wall, fell off the cliff and. Heard his oblique in that wall. Yeah. I mean, who knows? You might not even come back. I mean, you know, I mean, the way they're going Seattle, I mean, then they clearly like Charbonnet.
01:08:18
Speaker
So I mean, to me, I mean, I forgot what it was. I know it was like Max sauce, the crow dog. I don't even remember what was given up, but.
01:08:25
Speaker
It was a large deal, but, uh, yeah, there's a lot of players in there, but to your point too, it's like, and we talked about this a few weeks ago too. If Walker got hurt and Charbonnet starts getting all the work, there was already like a changing in the snap count. It's hard to see that Walker's ever going to get a full workload again, unless Charbonnet gets hurt. So like an injury to Walker kind of hurts his future outlook going forward because he was dominating when he got all the work and that doesn't seem like a reality.
01:08:52
Speaker
that can happen anymore. So you're going to need him to break off that one big run to have a good week, which is going to mean you're going to have a lot of disappointment at least going forward as well. And you would think like Charbonnet hasn't even played that well, even though he's given the opportunity to be like, oh, Kenneth Walker will get the carries again. I don't think he's going to get the carries. I think they're kind of just like, oh, it'll just be the rookie. Eventually, he's going to break one. Charbonnet has also had like the worst matchups, which just stinks. You're like, you finally got your chance. It's like three brutal matchups in a row. Yeah. Yeah, it's true.
01:09:21
Speaker
But we'll see. But a couple of other ones just to mention quickly. Quentin Johnson, not a big name, but that was a part of a trade. And I know that's like an upside shot to try to get a rookie wide receiver mixed into the deal. He doesn't look like he has it. Obviously, who knows moving forward. But so far, he's been pretty bad. I'd put him probably outside of even the top 10 rookie wide receivers, top 15 maybe. He's just been brutal.
01:09:47
Speaker
Damien Pierce, who kind of alluded to, he was traded again. He was part of a larger deal, but he looks like he may be having a job coming into next season or two because he has low draft capital and not looking good in that Texans offense where everything else is clicking. An honorable mention or dishonorable was just the Kirk Cousins. That just, it was a great trade at the time. And then you can't predict an injury like that.
01:10:11
Speaker
And it was literally the one, it wasn't a full game. Like the trade happened right before that injury. So that just thinks, but that's part of the game. Um, so sometimes the flops are injuries. Sometimes the flops are players just losing their roles. So we'll see what happens. But with that, one note real quick on that trade. I think I, I think I might still have Scott winning that trade. Like if we look at like revisionist history, like we just look at where we are now, it was Kirk cousins and a second. He acquired a 20, 24 seconds.
01:10:40
Speaker
for James Conner, who, are we sure James Conner has much left in the tank? He hasn't been very good. He has not. Right. Quentin Johnson, we just talked about how he was looking trending to be more like a bust than a valuable asset. And a 2025 first, right? So like, if cousins ends up in a decent spot, you know, like you have a quarterback next year, you have a second rounder next year, he only gave up a future first.
01:11:07
Speaker
I think it's looking okay given that Connor and Johnson are not
01:11:17
Speaker
looking great as promising as they did when the trade was made. That's a good point. I still think, to your point, the trade will still be good. I was more of a flop for it. The point of the trade was to compete this year. But you're all right, especially when you think about what first he gave up with it being a 2025 first, not a 2024. Because if Cousins comes back with all the other players in the roster, that could be a late pick.
01:11:41
Speaker
So, um, but he does get in, uh, a 2024 second as well. So he can bolster his team up to me. Cause when you get away first or in your pick, you are like, I want to make that as least valuable as possible. So you're like, now you have the chance to do that. And he's still in on cousins. I was trying to acquire cousins from him at the deadline for my, uh,
01:11:59
Speaker
for my next year team. And he's like, no, no, I think I'm going to write it out with cousins. And it's not a bad call for him. So you got it at this point. I mean, it's a veteran heavy team. I mean, if you think about it, you just had a 20, 25 pick. I mean, he has a lot of good players. That was a very small window for those players. But I mean,
01:12:22
Speaker
He's got another year, at least. So next year. Yeah, we're back. So you might actually have to think about which quarterback wants to start next year with pretty. Imagine that crazy. But I mean, like you think about Dobbs cousins and I mean, he's got a decent team and his wide receivers are good.
01:12:38
Speaker
People are going to be coming to him for quarterbacks. It's crazy. And he just kept training. He was knocking around. Oh, yeah. That was the epitome of like, at one point, I was like, all right, he's going to just start trading off assets, right? And then he was like, no, Kirk Cousins. And I was like, OK, he's going for it. And then he gets Keenan, Allen, and Gino. And he beats us. That trade literally beat us that week. And I was like, damn, Scott's back in it. I know. I was really trying to get Keenan as well.
01:13:07
Speaker
wanted Kenan so bad. Yeah, no, I love the fact that he kept going for it. And he had a lot of bad luck and still kept going for it, too, and value and effort. But with that, real quick, what is one sleeper you guys have going into the final weeks of the season, who you think could pop and help players in the playoffs? Kind of like Jarek McKinnon did last year. Why don't you go Matt first, since you're the guest, give you the first one to pop in here.
01:13:35
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, real quick, I had Jameson Williams. I mean, he's just like the ultimate boomer bus guy. This is where like the sheets you heed for our team. I mean, every week, the three weeks he went off, we didn't have him in the lineup and you put him in the next week and he gets like two points. But I mean, the guy could literally take two catches and get you 20 points like, you know, he's ultimate boomer bust. But then honestly, like my big one was Isaiah likely. I mean, he did it last year when Andrews was out.
01:14:01
Speaker
Right. And a tight end premium league. I mean, he's worth a shot and Lamar likes to throw the tight ends on his rollouts and stuff. So, I mean, I mean, they're, I mean, again, like, I guess you could say like from the ballers, they're nasty boys almost in a way. Yeah. Right. But, uh, I mean, James Williams, like I said, I mean, all you need is that one week you just got to catch lightning in a bottle, which.
01:14:20
Speaker
Ryan, I don't think you've done yet, but I mean. Funny enough, I mean, again, like he's just he's tight end premium and he's now the starter. So it's worth the stones, though, right? You're in desperation of a tight end. Yeah. And we're actually starting Jameson this week because we have a couple of buys. So we'll see. He'll probably be a massive bust this week, but it's a solid 20 this week. Yeah.
01:14:48
Speaker
But I actually really like the likely pick. I think that's a good one. I went with another tight end, real bottom of the barrel, but I went with Tucker Craft just because Musgrave is on IR and top tight ends like Andrews are out for the fantasy playoffs and we are a tight end premium league. So if you happen to have this guy and you were struggling at tight end, you know, he caught a touchdown in week 12, almost had a touchdown in week 11. If nothing else, he has weekly touchdown potential and
01:15:16
Speaker
the tie-down position is pretty slim going into the playoffs. So he's someone that could potentially help you win. Yeah, offense trending up too. They've been looking good. For mine, I went with, I threw an honorable mention to Trey McBride, although I don't necessarily know that he fits the criteria at this point. He's too good already. But on the same offense, I like the idea of Michael Wilson, who has been out for the last
01:15:45
Speaker
three and a half, four weeks with shoulder injury. He's not practicing now. He's not likely to play this week. And then next week is thereby. So this is a week's 15 through 17 speculative ad. If he's out there in a redraft, Dave appears to have him in this league for dinosaur. Yeah. He definitely flashed early in the season at a two touchdown game with Josh Dobbs. Hasn't been out there with Kyler yet, but I don't know.
01:16:13
Speaker
Hollywood is not dominating that number one wide receiver role. Greg Dorch is still getting a lot of looks. Those looks are likely to go to Wilson once he's back. And yeah, I mean, if he produced a bunch with Dobbs, I feel like there's some upside there where he could potentially be somebody who comes out of nowhere to contribute to a winning team in the playoffs.
01:16:39
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've been wanting to start him every single week and it's like, is he going to play? And he keeps getting rolled out and it's killing me. But a couple other quick ones. Jalen Hyatt, I kind of alluded to before. I mean, he's got all the speed in the world. And that's translating. He started in college, but he's getting open a lot on the field.
01:16:58
Speaker
It looks like he was very close to having a couple breakout games earlier this year. He's had I think like two or three catches or like near catches where he just stepped out of bounds, but he was getting open and you see that it is working downfield. And then this past week, he finally had his first hundred yard game. So they're on the by this week. But I would also think with a team that is.
01:17:18
Speaker
not the strongest record wise. They'll probably try to get a bigger look out of their rookie. So I could see him get a few more targets going into the end of the season. Jayden Reed, I think personally he's my favorite Green Bay Packer wide receiver and he's getting a lot of looks scored another touchdown this past week. And then as a veteran, Brandon cooks, I think is someone who
01:17:39
Speaker
People may overlook most of the year, but we've talked ad nauseam about the Cowboys playoff schedule or rest of season schedule. So I think cooks is kind of sending to the wide receiver to and get a lot more targets and gets a lot of the deeper shots as well. Yeah, I like him. I think Jane Reed is probably sitting with training McBride and most people are.
01:18:04
Speaker
Already onto him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I know. But I completely agree. He's looked by far the best in their offense for a couple of weeks now. Yeah.
01:18:14
Speaker
Good. And then one quick update in our league, even though this was our trade deadline, no trades, very disappointing. But we did have a new weekly high and given up in the weekly low. So the weekly low first was a Clark sauce with 82.34, but still beat not low enough for the Wilkinson brothers to get bested or worsted with only two weeks left.
01:18:39
Speaker
to maybe offset that pain. The Wilkerson brothers did take their cake for the new weekly high of the year, just missing the 200
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01:18:47
Speaker
-point mark. They were there, and there was a point correction, a stack correction there. They had 199.46, so it can't even round up for 199.5. But that is a very, very respectable score there. So how do you feel about having the high score and the lowest score?
01:19:03
Speaker
Have any given week. Totally redeemed ourselves, Dave. Totally redeemed ourselves. We're going for the dynasty triple crown. Lowest score, highest score, and championship. So we only have one left to get. That legendary triple crown.
01:19:20
Speaker
But yeah, we'll see what happens. Two weeks left. See if anyone can take either title away from you. But with that, we're going to get into our final segment, which is the DK lineup challenge, as we do with each special guest. So we're going to run through each of our lineups, put them in, and see if Maddie can take out all three of the podcasters in here. And I don't think we talked about, dude, do we want to wager on this one again? We have in the past. What are you guys thinking here? I could do 20 again. Yeah, I think 20's been working.
01:19:49
Speaker
All right, 20 bucks, winner. Are you in, Matt? I'm in. Nice. Winner takes all. Let's go. OK. So, Matty, jump to first. What quarterback are you going with, and what is their price? So I was, the quarterback was probably the toughest one for me. I think, Joe, you alluded to it before the show. It was some tickets. Yeah, I ended up going with Brock Purdy against San Francisco. I mean, I'm sorry, against Philadelphia.
01:20:19
Speaker
And the reason I kind of went with that was just because of their secondary. That was the best I can give you. And it actually worked out that I could get a better receiver by doing it. So he only cost me $6,100. So that's really why I went with him.
01:20:33
Speaker
I'll jump in, because I also moment brought Purdy for the same thing. And I saw this stat tweeted out by Cobb Burgoni earlier, I think yesterday. Opponents are throwing 68% of the time against Philadelphia, the highest rate in the NFL. And that is actually down from 70% before this past week. So wheels up for Purdy over here. He's going to be throwing a ton. So I originally did have Purdy in my lineup.
01:21:00
Speaker
Um, ended up taking him out because I got gun shy because, uh, on the road, cold weather and rain in the forecast. I was like, eh, you know, like that was what shied me away. But honestly, I, the matchup is perfect. And I got to say I was, he, if I didn't end up with the guy that I had, he was going to be my, uh, my next best option. Who'd you go with though, Jeff?
01:21:28
Speaker
I ended up going with, uh, Sam Howell. Yes. Yes. Let's go. Uh, this week, $6,200. I think that it's a good bounce back spot for him. He's had two rough weeks. He's at home. Uh, I think Miami is going to score a billion points against that, against their terrible defense. Garbage time could come in. Hopefully another rushing touchdown. So we'll see. I think he bounced back. I love it. What about you, right?
01:21:55
Speaker
So I know it sounds like all three of you went with Tyreke and for the same reason I actually went with Tua. Commanders are the worst ranked defense against QBs and allow the second most yards to wide receivers. I'm hoping that translates to some big points for Tua. We can't get any pressure either so it should be okay. That means Tyreke can run forever.
01:22:19
Speaker
But with that, Ryan, why don't you keep it going with your running backs? Actually, how much was Tuah Tuah before we move on? He was $7900. $7900. Oh, a little bit price here. OK. A little price here. Running backs, I went with John Robinson. I feel like we kind of talked about how the Jets just aren't that good at stopping the run. And last week, he had 16 attempts and three targets. So I'm hoping Arthur Smith gives him the ball again this week.
01:22:46
Speaker
And then I actually went with Zach Moss. Should hopefully get his three down roll back with JT missing the week, and he was only $4,600, so it seemed like great value. Yeah, Joe, what about you? Did you get the Zach Moss as well? I got him in my flex, so we'll save him for later. OK, we'll save him for later. I feel like a lot of us are going to have Zach Moss. My running backs were Alvin Kamara, which
01:23:12
Speaker
I like the potential upside with Chris Alavi missing. If Alavi plays, I still think Kamara is a decent play at
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01:23:22
Speaker
home against the Lions who have a pretty
01:23:25
Speaker
miserable passing defense I do think he'll get a lot of targets to be involved in the passing game and And then I went with jail and Warren to have a bounce back I think the volume was there last week the new kind of coaching Offensive coordinator met said last week. They wanted to get him more involved. Obviously, it wasn't his best performance like we talked about but Arizona is terrible and If I see it as a game, they're likely going to be leading probably
01:23:53
Speaker
a lot of opportunity to run the ball and not have Kenny Pickett do anything stupid throwing. So yeah, I went Kamara and Jalen Warren. Kamara, $8,200 and Warren, much cheaper. I actually like the value here with Warren, $5,400. Yeah, solid value. Well, maybe hear that in my flex. What about you, Matt? Who are your running backs?
01:24:18
Speaker
So my first one I went with was Remondre Stevenson going up against the Chargers. Mm-hmm. They're D's. Thanks Obviously the Patriots offense is probably worse but he had a good week against the Giants and I'm just hoping the Ride the hot streak with him. He cost me 6,000 and then I went with Actually a running back. He's been pretty hotly the Rashad white Tampa
01:24:45
Speaker
going up against Carolina, who's like, I think they're like the worst ranked run defense in the league, if I'm not mistaken. And I was kind of surprised he was 6300. He was only 300 more than Ramandre. So I felt like, you know, I just had to go with the, I mean, he wasn't cheap, but feel like he, I mean, he had a great week last week, if I'm not mistaken. And going up against Carolina, I feel like it was something I just had to take
01:25:10
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he's been a top 10 running back, which is why he's in my lineup as well. I have Rashad White and this is a point per reception league and he does typically catch a lot of passes as well. I mean, in draft game line of state, you get a full point per reception. So yeah, I had him for 6300 Zach Moss as well. I had in my lineup 4600. So both my guys are mentioned. Zach Moss is matchups a little tougher, but I still think like he he did well against bad matchups early in the season. So I'm not worried and
01:25:38
Speaker
Well, uh, Rochelle White has been a top, I think even like top seven and top six running back all season, which has been crazy and gets a plus plus matchup. So what the call, uh, move forward. I'll start with the ride receivers. Uh, I have Tyreke at a 9,600 paid up because terrified to not have him if he plays. Cause I feel like he's going to go bonanza.
01:25:57
Speaker
I have Terry McClellan at 5,500, trying to get a piece of that Sam Howell offense and a good matchup there. Same game as Tyreek. I think there's going to be a lot of points scored, and I'm hoping this is the game where Terry gets a lot of targets.
01:26:12
Speaker
And then finally, with wide receiver, I got my stack with Debo. So it was debate between Debo and Iyuk, but Debo is about $1,000 cheaper at 6,200. And he seems like he gets a little bit more targets. And in a game that could be a little bit colder. And the way the defense works, I think the closer targets that Debo typically gets over the deeper shots that Iyuk sometimes get, I think might be a little bit more valuable. Plus you could get a couple of rushes. So Debo at 62, Terry at 5,500, and Tyreke at 9,600.
01:26:41
Speaker
What about you, Rai? Who do you got a wide receiver? So I also went with Deebo. So he was the first wide receiver. He's facing the Eagles. Should be a back and forth game. I actually then went with Josh Downs, match up against the Titans. Had 97 yards in their first meeting and had 13 targets last week. So hoping he stays hot. And then I also went with Cortland Sutton.
01:27:07
Speaker
who has eight touchdowns and 11 games played. So I'm going for the touchdown there and I needed to save a little money. I dig it. What about you, Jeff? I like the downs call, to be honest. He was out for a while. He was hurt. Last week was like his first week kind of back, like fully healthy from the injury. And like he said, 13 targets. He was heavily involved. So good call with that one. So I started with.
01:27:35
Speaker
My my my stack with Sam Howell, which is that this is a challenge with going with Sam Howell It's tough to stack Washington receivers because who has any idea so I decided to just go with the cheapest option and it just so happens to be the most productive option from last week's game, which is Curtis Samuel $4,100 he got a ton of
01:27:55
Speaker
uh, opportunity last week. I think he had 10 or 11 targets over a hundred yards. And honestly, as a, as an owner of Johan Dotson and Terry McLaurin in different leagues, he's just gotten an annoying amount of targets throughout the entire season, quite frankly. So, you know, maybe in a game where they're down and passing the ball a lot, uh, he can do something. And then I spent up
01:28:17
Speaker
$7,300 riding the hot hand with Devontae Smith. I like that game. I think they're gonna be passing the ball quite a bit and The Sun God himself on the Ross St. Brown who's been Just a so incredibly productive all season rock solid in the lineup $8,500 New Orleans has a a
01:28:39
Speaker
top half defense. And Jared Goff is not the best on the road, which gives me a little pause. But it's on the road in a dome. It's not like he's out in the conditions. It's a little bit more like Ford Field for Goff. And I like the solid floor that I'm getting from Amun-Ra, hopefully, to combat against all of your Tyreek.
01:29:04
Speaker
I love Amunrock, because the best thing about him, I think this has happened a couple of games over now and happened this past week. He's not having a great game. And then if they're down, the last driver, too, he just gets hyper targeted. He was at, I think, four or five reception. And then he lasts two minutes. He's up to nine and almost 100 yards. So that's a great call. What about you, Matt?
01:29:25
Speaker
So, uh, I started with paid up for Tyreke because like, like you said, too scared. Just such a juicy matchup, right? And like Dave said, 9,600. Uh, and then I went with, uh, Josh downs as well. Like Ryan. Wow.
01:29:45
Speaker
You know the reason why I did it I don't have Zach Moss in my lineup because I was kind of running out of money between my next receiver I'm gonna say in Tyreke took up a lot and you know, I mean Tennessee's a pretty good run team But they're pretty bad against the passing mint shoes actually played pretty well for The Colts and I think Joey said he's been hurt now. He's finally back and hit me. They're actually decent duo together. Mm-hmm So I went with downs and then I got my stack with purdy and I paid up for Brandon. I you get 7200
01:30:14
Speaker
Part of the reason is I'm really rooting for him in another league because I have an outside shot at the playoffs You will do good because I get lit up by every single team I play in that week All my points against that I don't have in our league is in that
01:30:32
Speaker
Again, like we said, I mean, it's we said that nauseam, but I mean Philadelphia secondary is just pretty pitiful. Mm hmm. I mean, I feel like with purdy, I feel like I had to go with the stack with somebody and I was between him and Deebo. Deebo, I think is about 1000 cheaper. But yeah, like I said, I'm rooting for you can another league. So I said, I'm going to double down and I'm either go. I'm either going to do real well or real poorly in both leagues. So, you know, what with you could send me 200.
01:31:00
Speaker
Part of the fun of this, the rooting with this. But Matt, why don't you close out your roster with your tight end flex and defense.
01:31:08
Speaker
That's pretty ugly. The tight ends not too bad. I actually went with at 3600 with Logan Thomas, Miami. It's, I mean, you guys 32 and he just played well this year. I mean, it's, I feel like I'm just, if I can get eight to 10 points from him, I would be happy. But I mean, that's kind of what he's done all year, right? Yeah. 3600. And I mean, Miami is not the best secondary or defense in general.
01:31:37
Speaker
And then for my flex, I went with Ryan's boy, Jamison Williams. I mean, I feel like I gotta be a man of my word, right? I mean, I said he was a, he's a nasty boy, right? So I went with a nasty boy in my flex spot. So I'm getting zero points or I'm getting 20 points on that.
01:31:59
Speaker
With the little money I had left I just threw the Patriots defense in there for 2400 I mean, I know I have it's against the Chargers, but I mean I don't know the Chargers are weird. I mean You know, and it's gonna probably torch them but I mean, I mean I have Eckler in the dynasty league and he is just I
01:32:19
Speaker
not seem like the same player as in the past. And I mean, the Patriots played really well. I mean, granted, it was against the Giants last week, but it isn't terrible. So, I mean, it's also defense. I mean, it's such a, you, I mean, I feel like you just stream defenses at this point, right? Like trying to save money. The Dallas defense or San Francisco defense, it's every week and you're just playing the matchup. Yeah. So with the essentially whatever money I had left, I mean, I ended up with a hundred bucks.
01:32:48
Speaker
I could have upgraded Purdie to Sam Howell, but I, uh, on a principle refused. What about you, Joe? Want to close out your lineup? Yeah. So I too had, um, the new England defense. So I'm with you. I think it's decent savings. Uh, the charters are weird. They're also not great on the road.
01:33:11
Speaker
Uh, it's a cold weather game. They're flying across the country. There's rain. It's just, it's the kind of game that I don't anticipate them scoring a ton of points. I don't really anticipate New England scoring a ton of points. So I don't think they're the charges are going to be motivated to score a lot of points. So I think it's a, it's a good. Mucky game for $2,400.
01:33:32
Speaker
If I can get a baseline of five or six points, it'll be good. And my flex, like I said earlier, I did go with Zach Moss, $4,600 for starting winning back. I thought that was pretty good value, although the matchup isn't great.
01:33:45
Speaker
He excelled in the role earlier in the season, and I'm sure he's pumped to have it back. And then for my tight end, I went with Kate Otten, who actually has been somewhat productive and for only $3,200, I needed to save a little bit. He's had four receptions the last two weeks, no touchdowns recently, but going up against Carolina, who is atrocious at home,
01:34:14
Speaker
Uh, I felt like there was a hair of touchdown upside there. So originally I had Mike Evans in my lineup and, uh, when I took him out, I'm like, I gotta get somebody in this Tampa Bay offense. So I ended up going with Kate out. I dig it. I like it. I had the same thoughts too. Um,
01:34:30
Speaker
I'll jump in quick on mine. I had, in my flex, you already kind of mentioned it, but Jalen Warren for 54 going up against the cards. The card's D stage. We saw Kyron one and just light them up coming off on IR. So I'm hoping Jalen Warren's explosiveness will exploit that D as well. I actually took for defense the Saints D against the Detroit Lions.
01:34:53
Speaker
Kind of to the points that made you a little worried at first for golf and golf could have a bad game and I'm around still be great, which we've seen multiple times this season. But I'm hoping that since it's on the road, it's pretty stout defense. They sack and maybe get a couple turnovers, build on what was an ugly game for golf on Thanksgiving afternoon.
01:35:13
Speaker
And then in my tight end, I'm going with Juwan Johnson. Assuming if Olave's at even, I'm praying Olave's in. But if he's out, this goes up even more. But regardless, he's getting a good amount of targets. Shaheed's going to be out anyway. Taysom Hill is all over the place. But I think he should still get a pretty good target share. And then we mentioned the line secondary. Their pass defense is not very strong. So I think Juwan can get some pretty good looks there. So at 3,400, I thought that was good value. And Ryan, why don't you close it out.
01:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, so for tight end, I actually went with Fairmuth. 11 targets last week. New offensive coordinator. I'm hoping the momentum continues this week. Flex, I went with Rashad White. So we talked about him. He has over 15 points per game in the last six games. And he now gets the Panthers, who are 30th against the run. And then on defense, I actually went with the Falcons because they're playing Tim Boyle.
01:36:12
Speaker
Can't go wrong, man. That's all you got to say. Yeah. Looks at it. Tim Boyle, defense, OK. Take it. And then I also had an extra $100 like Matt, so you know. Couldn't upgrade anyone, though. Felt pretty good with this lineup.
01:36:27
Speaker
All right, well, I'm excited. We'll see. I think this will be an interesting matchup. We do have a lot of more overlap than I was expecting. So it should be interesting to see which ones step up and if Matt can take us out. Last time, I think Schluter struck out. So doing all right. Yeah, Schluter didn't get anyone. But with that, I want to say thank you for listening to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. Go up with your final playoff pushes unless you're playing me.
01:36:56
Speaker
See you guys later. Bye guys.