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EPISODE 25: WEEK 2 REVIEW
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We do a deep dive into the early season trends for some players at each position who are either surprisingly performing well or below expectations through 2 weeks and whether you should act on this data or not. Then we once again provide you with some of our favorite prop bets of the week!
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction
00:00:26
dtmr
Welcome in to the and NSFW dynasty podcast coming you out on a Thursday for Thursday night football here I'm your host Dave Reed joined by my co-host Ryan Wilkinson and Joey Gallo. How we guys doing tonight?
00:00:41
Ryan
Doing good. Podcasting about football. Got some real football going on at the same time.
Thursday Night Football Highlights
00:00:46
Ryan
Dave's boy Polk is playing. I think he's even got a gotta catch.
00:00:48
dtmr
That's right he does he's increasing that
00:00:49
Ryan
So he's got one catch.
00:00:50
Joey
Was he? Has he been spotted on the field?
00:00:53
Ryan
He stays out there.
00:00:54
dtmr
He's increasing his snap count. It's early in the season, man. He's a rookie. He's building it up.
00:00:59
Ryan
But yeah, doing good.
00:01:00
Joey
It's miraculous that he caught a touchdown for you last week. Otherwise, you would be getting it a lot worse.
00:01:05
dtmr
Listen, he's building it up. All the underlying metrics. Love him. But you know, we're not, it's not a Polk podcast tonight, but even though he's fantastic, but not that's not the topic tonight, but
Football Watching & Betting Insights
00:01:15
dtmr
we do a football. I have my iPod, excuse me, iPad right next to me, watching the game. How are you guys feeling?
00:01:22
Joey
I have um ah Garrett Wilson boosted to plus 250 anytime touchdown. So I don't have the game on as we're recording. But if you happen to see a Garrett Wilson touchdown, don't ah hesitate to interrupt and and let me
Rushing Props & Fantasy Impact
00:01:35
Joey
know.
00:01:35
dtmr
I'm in on the rushing props on Raimondre, Breece Hall, and Braylon Allen. I'm very heavy on Raimondre, so I really need this game to not get too out of hand, because I'm starting to get a little nervous about that one. But I actually parlayed all three of those together, because I feel like this is a lot of rushing game. And so far, Breece and Braylon are turning pretty well. Raimondre gets more.
Injury Recap & Fantasy Implications
00:01:57
dtmr
But we got week two in the books. It's been a bit of a bloodbath. How are you guys doing after two weeks?
00:02:07
Ryan
Doing good.
00:02:07
Joey
I got a big win against Adam last week. um The bets were OK last week.
00:02:15
dtmr
We made money on them.
00:02:17
Joey
Yeah, yeah.
00:02:18
dtmr
At least the ones we put out here did extras that true did not.
00:02:20
Joey
Yeah, the same game parlay was was not good, but I have a have a better feeling about this week. So we're going to go for some redemption.
Key Player Injuries & Fantasy Adjustments
00:02:30
Ryan
Yeah, we're we're right in the middle of the road too. Took a L last week, but we'll be back.
00:02:36
dtmr
Uh, I'm actually two and oh, um, my division, everyone is falling apart except for me because I had already fallen apart. So, uh, I don't know only one way to go, but, uh, uh, but it's, it's definitely been a bloke bad for a lot of teams. Um, the injury list is shockingly long for two weeks. Uh, well, we're, I'm going to jump into these now right now, but just know that if you're feeling like your team has been decimated, you are not alone. There's very few teams that have come out of the first two weeks unscathed.
00:03:03
dtmr
But jumping into some of these injuries so far, quarterback, we got Tua, who we talked about on the last pod with the concussion. Pretty scary, obviously. You care more about the guy's career and his life and football. But he is a officially been put on the IR. So he'll be missing at least four weeks. Russ Wilson is still out for week three, most likely. So field will get another start.
00:03:25
dtmr
Justin Herbert is dealing with an ankle. He was limited on Thursday. He should be able to play, but likely a little hobbled. And Jordan Love actually might go this week. He seems about 50-50, but it sounds like he doesn't go this week.
Running Back Injury Updates
00:03:38
dtmr
He should certainly be going next week, which is pretty shocking, based on what you thought happened after that Monday night. Was it Monday night or Thursday night or Friday night football?
00:03:46
Ryan
I think it was Thursday or
00:03:48
dtmr
Whichever game it was.
00:03:49
Joey
Friday, Friday.
00:03:49
dtmr
There was a lot of night games at a first base, so it's hard to keep track of them all.
00:03:50
Ryan
Friday.
00:03:54
dtmr
But yeah, it's shocking that he's getting back that quickly. At running back, we got Isaiah Pacheco. That injury, it seemed like an ankle. It was like the last rush, and it was a fractured fibula.
00:04:04
dtmr
And he hit the IRs, and he had s surgery already. He's going to be out six to eight weeks. Ken Walker, he missed last week. He's looking like he's going to miss this week as well.
Wide Receiver Injury Discussions
00:04:15
dtmr
I think he missed practices all week this week, so it's not looking good. Joe Mixon had an ankle injury. It's not supposed to be serious, but it does look like it's probably going to miss this week right now as he hasn't practiced through Thursday. Rashad White, part of one of Joey's parlays, he he left the game in week two with a groin. He did get back in.
00:04:35
dtmr
but was not that ah productive, and he's been limited this week so far, so we gotta keep an eye on that as growing can be tricky.
Tight End Injury Insights
00:04:42
dtmr
CMC, Christian McCaffrey, hit the IR, and he might be out even longer with that Achilles tendonitis. They're being very cautious with him, and then not a big name, but something that this guy just seems always hurt, and someone that a lot of dynasty players had a lot of high hopes for was Marshall and Lloyd. He hit the IR with an ankle as the backup on Green Bank.
Strategic Picks in Dynasty Leagues
00:05:03
dtmr
At wide receiver wide receiver, excuse me Puka is sounding like he will be out potentially longer than the four weeks necessary for the IR that he's placed on Cooper cup had a high ankle sprain and They're avoiding the IR mainly because they probably don't have any extra IR spots left But if that is Casey may be able to get back before the four weeks so high income sprain sometimes you will generally end up being like a three-week situation and debuff surprisingly because he he put up a big game. I didn't even know he was hurt leading the game. Has a calf injury and he's gonna miss this week and expect it to potentially miss multiple weeks. Keen Allen still week to week missed last week and did not practice today. AJ Brown at least they called this early on Sunday morning so you could change your lineups but he was ruled out for Monday night football last week and it sounded like he's gonna miss multiple weeks I believe it's a hamstring.
00:05:54
dtmr
Jordan Addison ankle injury. He's likely going to miss this week. T Higgins actually back at practice. So we got some positive news there. He might forget some guys who might
Analyzing the Chiefs' Backfield
00:06:04
dtmr
get on the field. Josh down. It sounds like he's going to be a go this week.
00:06:07
dtmr
And Justin Jefferson and Amara St. Brown both look like they got hurt hurt. I think Justin Jefferson actually left the game. Amara left, came back a few times. But it looks like they should be okay for week three, but it's after seeing all those injuries, you got very scared seeing those guys go down too.
00:06:23
Joey
Thank you.
00:06:24
dtmr
And then finally at tight end, you got Jake Ferguson missed week two, should be back for week three. Again, you thought that was an ACL, so it's good to see him only missed one week. given in joku at high ankle sprain out last week and likely this week evan engram who i it's so annoying i traded for jake my chief jake ferguson for evan engram in one league like the early morning before the game started and then engram got hurt In warm-ups with this hamstring and now it's likely a multiple-week absence Jason Hill went to a hospital with a chest injury He's TBD still to play this week, but I count against it most likely and George Kittle apparently has a hamstring injury as well I think it popped up during the game with Krantz, but he missed practice today. So his his availability for somebody is very much in doubt now So long long laundry list. I need to catch my breath. So I During that, can you guys please tell me what do you think are some of the biggest impacts based on some of those injuries?
00:07:18
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, quarterback wise, it's at at least trending up. Love might be back.
Rams' Receivers & Dynasty Strategies
00:07:23
Ryan
Herbert might play. Russell Wilson, I feel like, you know, they're, they're just starting fields there. Who knows what's really even going on with an injury. Uh, and obviously two was out, but the running backs and wide receivers, the list is just getting longer and longer. It's getting hard to field a healthy team.
00:07:40
Ryan
A lot of these guys were you know top picks or at least mid-round picks, so heavily impacting people's fantasy lineups. I think it goes to show, especially on the running back side, that you want to try to secure some of those solid backups, because and I'm sure we'll talk about them later, but the backup to CMC has been on fire. And so one of these guys goes down and you end up with that backup, you're in the opposite situation of the owner. And I think you know on the Rams, Puca and Cup,
00:08:08
Ryan
Now being out, you know I know Dave's pumped about his pickup and what what he may be able to do now.
00:08:13
dtmr
tyler johnson baby just
00:08:17
Ryan
ah So you're seeing a lot of guys that you know two weeks ago weren't even in the conversation and now might be startable.
Monitoring Injuries & Bench Value
00:08:24
Joey
Yeah, you know on the running backs, I'm curious where you guys sit on the on the Chiefs backfield, because obviously that's been a lot of the dialogue this week. um who to pick up ah between ah Carson Steele and Smaje Piran and they signed Kareem Hunt and eventually Clyde Edwards-Holair will be back in the mix as well.
00:08:38
dtmr
Tyler Johnson, baby.
00:08:49
Joey
So, I mean, I saw there were some some, they were like fluffing some like, you know, coach speak about how good Kareem Hunt looks today.
00:08:53
Ryan
i think you
00:09:00
dtmr
Yeah, I saw
00:09:01
Joey
Feels like I've been hesitant to commit it in a lot of my leagues people were dropping like 50% of fab on steel and that was a little bit ah Scary for me um But yeah, I was curious what you guys thought about that one Because it's the Chiefs everybody wants to try to like guess who it is
00:09:15
Ryan
i mean I think naming four guys like you just did just kind of shows the situation. You have no clue which guy it's going to be. Yeah, you want the guy, and you know if you can get one of them, you might as well take the chance and stash them on your bench.
00:09:25
dtmr
yeah
00:09:31
Ryan
But I really can't say either way who I'd even rather have.
00:09:36
dtmr
Yeah, like if you get the opportunity to and you don't have to blow your load to get these guys, yeah, I would take the shot because there's a chance one of them becomes like incredibly valuable. But at the same time, there's also a chance that none of them are that useful, that they're just rotating between all four of them at some point.
00:09:54
dtmr
I mean, Kareem Hahn, yes, he will used to be great, but the past couple of years, not that efficient. And like you talk about, like oh, he knows the system. We're talking, what was it, 2018?
00:10:03
Joey
A long time ago.
00:10:03
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:03
dtmr
He doesn't know the system anymore.
00:10:04
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:05
dtmr
It's a different team.
00:10:05
Ryan
And I feel like the the fact that they signed to him almost shows you how they feel about the other guys, because if if they thought Steele was going to be there the guy or Piran was going to be the guy, why do you go sign Hunt?
00:10:16
Joey
Yeah.
00:10:17
dtmr
Yeah, honestly, i think the guy I have the most confidence in being useful is Sumajah P. Ryan, in my opinion, because they chose P.
00:10:24
Joey
yeah
00:10:26
dtmr
Ryan over Hunt in the offseason. They could have signed Hunt, and they chose Sumajah P. Ryan. And hell he'll get the pass down work. And I know Kareem Hunt can do that, but I think Kareem Hunt's value is more going to impact Steel for me.
00:10:38
dtmr
And being honest, I think a lot of people think it's actually P. Ryan that gets impacted, because when you saw their Hunt-Chug dynamic, they saw more of the pass down. but I also believe Hunt was good on the goal line.
00:10:50
dtmr
I think he had like two years ago, he had like nine rushing touchdowns in the year. And that's what steals like a really a fullback.
00:10:58
Joey
yeah
00:10:58
dtmr
Like if Steel gets all the work, yeah, he'll be good. But I think they don't trust him to be a true rushing running back, and that's why he'd go for Hunt in this situation.
00:11:03
Joey
Yeah.
00:11:06
dtmr
If he run, he gets a passing mark. So that's how I think he's gonna play
Scouting Backup Players
00:11:09
dtmr
out. Clyde, make, I don't know. I mean, we've been guessing for years in this guy, and the guy seems like he even talked about he he's been dealing with, um like, anxiety, mental health.
00:11:19
Joey
Mental health and yeah.
00:11:20
dtmr
So like, it's, and I don't think a four week IR stint is going to solve that. So like, like, but you hopefully he can get that figured out. But we've seen time and time again, if you lose your confidence, and you're not mentally in the game, and at the NFL stage, like, it really impacts your ability, like, no matter if you have all the talents in the world, it's if you can't be focused enough to be confident in yourself, you fall apart like you're not going to produce. So not to, this is, we're talking about dynasty and fantasy, obviously it doesn't really matter. You hope it's got to be mentally healthy, but that's where I have skepticism. There's appearance of only when I feel confident in that won't burn you, but I also don't think he's has like crazy upside. So I think you won't be happy. Hopefully my homes throws more. That's really what I think will happen in that situation.
00:12:04
Joey
yeah
00:12:05
Ryan
Yeah. And how about the Rams? Puca and Kup both out now. Are you throwing DeMarcus Robinson and Tyler Johnson in your lineup?
00:12:09
Joey
Yeah.
00:12:12
dtmr
ah Yes, a hundred percent both of them.
00:12:13
Ryan
Absolutely both of them.
00:12:15
dtmr
Yeah, I think this week they plan Yeah, I'm playing the in Other plan Arizona.
00:12:21
Joey
Arizona.
00:12:23
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah, so I would prop San Francisco.
00:12:26
Ryan
No, they're playing San Francisco.
00:12:27
Joey
That's San Francisco.
00:12:28
dtmr
I'm still I
00:12:28
Ryan
49ers.
00:12:29
Joey
They played Arizona last weekend.
00:12:30
dtmr
Yeah, that's right. I'm still putting putting them in the plane. They're going to have to throw for sure. They'd be down in this game. deep This past week, was a disaster their bigger issue is getting the O-line. like that Stafford is just trying to survive every single week.
00:12:40
Joey
Yeah.
00:12:45
dtmr
So like that's the only issue. like I think these players, if there was an O-line, they'd be great. But I think Stafford is just going to be running for his life.
00:12:52
Joey
Well, no, go ahead.
00:12:52
dtmr
But I will say a big thing with these well, I should jump in
Emerging Trends in Dynasty Fantasy
00:12:56
dtmr
Joe before I jump and I was gonna say the one thing with all these injuries with I think highlighted more in dynasty is just trying to like when you're picking up guys and a free agency or like trying to make trades and get like a little cheap guys throw it in it's these are the players now that because of injuries are getting elevated and be useful so like
00:12:56
Joey
No, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:13:15
dtmr
Like tell the Johnson, and I threw fat at in the offices that I grabbed Joe on Jennings, who's on the team. And now this guy's like going to be a very useful asset for the super simple future. Uh, at least for the next few weeks, because with Devo out you and you have CMC out and now potentially kittle out, he, it's going to be him in IU. So you try to take these shots. He is, you try to predict the path forward. Um, and if you get these guys on your, and just throw them on your bench, play for upside, basically with your bench and like.
00:13:41
dtmr
It can really change your season. So I'm actually trending up in our league when I thought it was very, very shallow.
Redraft vs. Dynasty Strategies
00:13:47
dtmr
I still wasn't looking the most, but, uh, just, just so when you see these injuries, that's just something I wanted to highlight, but Joe, what were you going to say?
00:13:54
Joey
No, it's a good point to make too. And it's like in redraft, you are able to respond and react to the injuries like after they happen, whereas in dynasty, like by the time an injury happens, 75% of the time, the backups are already on
Start/Sit Decisions
00:14:07
Joey
rosters. So you kind of have to have the foresight and kind of keep a near to the ground.
00:14:13
Joey
you know during camp and I don't need like i I love this shit and I don't even like there are a lot of times where I see guys get picked up in the off season and I'm like God like you know like you just kind of you look away for a couple days or a week or two and you miss a good opportunity to stash somebody on the bench and that can make the difference in having a fill-in or a respectable guy to put in your lineup or you know, everybody knows what it's like to really, really scrape the bottom of the barrel and play a guy in your dynasty lineup that is projected to score like, you know, two to five points. And with all the injuries that are going on right now, I feel like there's a lot of people that are in that position are going to be in that position pretty
Week 2 Dynasty Debrief
00:14:56
Joey
soon. So the foresight is pretty critical.
00:14:59
Joey
um No, I was going to selfishly throw and throw a start sit out there for one of my leagues where I'm deciding between P.
00:15:06
dtmr
yeah
00:15:08
Joey
Ryan and DeMarcus Robinson. And because we were just talking about those guys, I figured that was an interesting one to toss out to you. Just a regular half point PPR redraft in a flex.
00:15:17
dtmr
I think there's a game I might, uh, my team, I might be starting both of them. Um, but which is scary. Um, I probably more confidence in the markets just cause you don't know exactly.
00:15:28
dtmr
I think what's happening. like I feel like I want to spend a week and see what the chief running back situation kind of looks like. I'm like, I'm very worried to start anyone in that, in that situation.
00:15:34
Ryan
Yeah, I agree.
00:15:38
Ryan
That's what I was going to say. He could pay off, but he he could put up one point and they could go with steel or something. Whereas, I mean, Robinson's the wide receiver one for Stafford this week, technically.
00:15:48
Ryan
So he's got he's got to get something.
00:15:49
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. And against San Francisco, you figure San Francisco is probably going to score points coming off the loss. So.
00:15:55
dtmr
Oh yeah, it's just going to be, we'll get into that a little bit later when we get to some wide receivers, but yeah, I think it's going to be a get right game for San Francisco.
00:16:04
Joey
Yeah, and Brenton Strange as we're talking about tight ends, right?
00:16:04
dtmr
you know
00:16:06
Joey
We mentioned Evan Ingram hamstring injury probably going to be out for a while. Brenton Strange looked alright last week for um Jacksonville. Maybe a guy that not many have heard of that.
00:16:16
Joey
I actually have him on the taxi squad right now in our league. um He's looking alright. He had. six targets last week and turn that into 65 yards receiving so just ah throwing him out there i I know in a lot of ah in a lot of redraft leagues he's available I'm seeing him out there on wires and um The Jags do target target the tight end a lot. ah Ingram was like was the tight end too and in fantasy last year. And if Strange can come out there and ah fill in, then he's he's not honestly not a bad option if you're needy and you don't have one of the main guys ah to to plug and play every week and in tight end.
00:17:02
dtmr
Yeah, and if I do recall, I think you had a couple of downfield targets as well, because some of these tight ends are very close to the line of scrimmage. She actually had a couple further down, so you get a little bit more points in the opportunity for more explosive play.
00:17:08
Joey
yeah
00:17:12
dtmr
So I do like that that call. So definitely someone to keep an eye on. that Are you keeping on with your taxes, go out for a week, seeing what what goes on?
00:17:20
Joey
Yeah, I'm not going to activate him just yet, but that's also because I have a decent amount of tight end depth in this league. If I didn't have the depth, then I might be already activating it, so.
00:17:32
dtmr
All right. Well, any other thoughts before jumping to the next section?
00:17:38
Joey
No, not for me.
00:17:38
dtmr
All right.
Quarterback Performance Analysis
00:17:39
dtmr
Well, playing around with names still. So don't hold us to the the segment titles that I throw out here, but I figured we're going to do a week two dynasty debrief. So we're two weeks in that. And this is when you really want to start making potential bold decisions on how you think the rest of the season can play out. You make your ah you're you're calling a shot on who you think the trends that you're seeing right now, if someone's having a hot start, is that something that you're going to believe in? Or if there's players who are surprisingly having a bad start, if that's something that you actually think is potentially real and you want to panic and kind of get out from underneath it. But again, some of this could be fool's gold or something that you just got to exercise patience on. So we're going to run through a few players at each of the four main positions to kind of get our take if we think
00:18:23
dtmr
These players hot starts or or cold cold beginnings or something that we should be believing in or just practicing patience or we think his fools go so jump into them will go pretty quick through most of these but well, you know just create a nice lively discussion, but a quarterback some of the the Surprisingly good players we got here.
00:18:42
dtmr
So we got Derek Carr who's currently the QB one. How you guys feeling about him?
00:18:47
Joey
Fools gold Yeah, and I mean in general I look like the offense looks improved like there's absolutely no denying that from a coordinator standpoint and what they're doing Yeah, so like Yeah, like they're gonna continue to be a good offense, ah but I don't know.
00:18:48
dtmr
I
00:18:49
Ryan
Yeah, great for him, but there's no way he finishes the season as QP1.
00:18:58
Ryan
I think he's gonna have a decent here, and we're gonna get to Camara later, but right now,
00:19:01
dtmr
Huge improvement there. Using pre-snap motion is all you got to do in the lead.
00:19:10
Joey
I mean We'll see but uh
00:19:12
Ryan
i think he i think he's going to have a decent year and we're going to get to camara later but right now they're like they QB1 and the RB1. There's no way they're gonna finish the QB1 and RB1, but I mean, could they both have pretty strong fantasy seasons? It definitely seems like they could.
00:19:27
Joey
yeah
00:19:28
dtmr
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't think he's a QB one, but I think he can be a much more valuable, uh, QB two and a super flex Lee, where I think before most people didn't really think about cars. So I agree.
00:19:39
dtmr
Full goal, but not fully. I think it is.
00:19:41
Joey
Fool's gold in the sense that I think it's going to be very similar to every other year of Derek Hart's career, aside from last year, where it was like a lot of good.
00:19:46
dtmr
Yeah.
00:19:48
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:49
Joey
And every time you think you can trust him and put him in your lineup, he craps your team. And then you get pissed again.
00:19:54
dtmr
Well,
00:19:55
Joey
And then the very next week, he's out there throwing two or three touchdowns. yeah
00:19:58
dtmr
Well, it's going to be a little foreshadowing to a later segment, but I am choosing to believe in him for at least one more week, but we'll say.
00:20:04
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. As am I.
00:20:08
dtmr
Baker Mayfield is actually at the QB two so far. So how are we feeling about this? He's coming off for the strong season last year though as well. So ah how are you feeling about this start?
00:20:16
Ryan
That's what I was going to say. ah I feel like last year was the surprising season. This year, you know, it's surprising in that people just didn't trust last year, I guess, but he was great last year. And, you know, was he QB two? No. Do I think he's going to end up QB two? No, but I think he's going to have a really strong fantasy season. He's got two really top wide receivers and Evans and Godwin and they look good. And he's been playing good for over a year now.
00:20:45
dtmr
I mean, this is what he was drafted to be in the NFL. So like, let's say I, QB two, no, but I, if you told, if he ends up being a top 12 quarterback this year, I would not be surprised.
00:20:47
Ryan
Yeah.
00:20:56
dtmr
Um, yeah.
00:20:56
Ryan
Yeah.
00:20:56
Joey
And it's not like he was terrible in Cleveland and it was Cleveland after all, right?
00:20:59
dtmr
Yeah.
00:21:02
Joey
So.
00:21:03
dtmr
And again, this isn't the guy that you definitely got from chief last year. And like now you got going forward, like as a guy from a dynasty perspective, too, like he could provide a couple of years. He signed a huge contract too. So this is.
00:21:14
dtmr
being something that actually is a pretty valuable asset now in SuperFlex, honestly.
00:21:14
Joey
Yeah.
00:21:17
Ryan
ah I think last year in our league he was traded for a Mari Cooper straight up, which, you know, you look at that now in a super flex league, that's pretty valuable to get.
00:21:22
dtmr
Yeah.
00:21:27
dtmr
Yeah, that values went through different ways.
00:21:28
Joey
Yeah, who was it? Who who was it that ah that made that?
00:21:31
Ryan
Crop has him, I know.
00:21:32
Joey
No, yeah but who traded him away?
00:21:32
dtmr
Yeah, yeah, I think it might've been Harrison and Dacosta.
00:21:36
Joey
Oh yeah, Harry. Tough.
00:21:39
dtmr
It's a shame.
00:21:40
Joey
That's tough.
00:21:40
dtmr
Yeah, who'd they keep? It's a quarterback we'll get to later. ah I don't know if he's technically called a quarterback anymore. So, but the next guy, another shocker, is Sam Darnold, a QB 8, kind of a real hot star so far.
00:21:58
Joey
Yeah, I almost view him like not all that differently. ah Well. Darnold looked good last year in the opportunities that he got with San Francisco. There are times where he was out there and like in cleanup duty and whatnot and just like kind of looked good and you were a little surprised when they moved on from him as a backup in the offseason and.
00:22:23
Joey
So it's like not totally, totally shocking that he's, he looks good because he kind of looked good last year too when he had the opportunity. But he's also looked terrible before. And I know Dave, you personally are not a big Darnold guy. So I'm curious what you think about this one.
00:22:38
dtmr
Uh, yeah, I mean, the one thing I think I said, so I'm not a darn old guy. You're right. Because if you look at the stats, how can anyone be? He is literally one of the worst quarterbacks that's touched the field from a statistics standpoint. But the one thing I think we caveated in an earlier powder, maybe it was just in their chat in our league.
00:22:56
dtmr
He's never had a Justin Jefferson to throw to, and literally one play he got in 97 yards and a touchdown on his stats, so that's really gonna pump things up. But we've seen whenever a player gets a true viper super one to throw to, they get leveled up, so.
00:23:10
dtmr
Maybe in the system. We also saw last year with Nick Mullins whipping it around. So it's like the Viking system plus the town of Justin Jefferson. Honestly, it might be sustainable now from a dynasty perspective. I don't think this is a long term thing. You got JJ McCarthy, who's going to be coming back next year. So still not someone who I like value.
00:23:30
dtmr
like crazy high in dynasty, but for someone who needs like a QB2, I think he is going to be potentially useful throughout the year. And if you don't need that and you want to kind of capitalize on it, I would probably trade him for maybe like a second in a player. I don't think you'd get a first for Darnold. I don't think anyone's willing to commit to something that's only going to last a year for that, but I don't think he's worth nothing, which I thought he was in the off season.
00:23:56
Ryan
Yeah, na I mean, I agree with Dave. I think of the three we've talked about. So far, he's the one I would trust the least to continue what he's doing. But and you know maybe there's a sell high opportunity there if you have him. Because like you said, McCarthy's there. Who knows what happens with him after this year? If he keeps it going for a couple more weeks,
00:24:16
Ryan
could sound high.
00:24:19
dtmr
And another former Jet QV. Gino Smith is the QB9. This one's a little bit less surprising because he's performed once before, had it down here last year. Obviously he's a little bit older, but what are your guys' thoughts on the Gino experience?
00:24:35
Joey
Honestly, it I think it feels like good vibes around the team um at this point. um New head coach. um Pretty sure they're 2-0, right?
00:24:47
dtmr
Let's take a quick check.
00:24:47
Joey
I think they are.
00:24:49
dtmr
podcasting.
00:24:51
Joey
Do I have any Seattle shares that I can check that? I do. I have DK. They are...
00:24:58
Joey
2-0. So... um Yeah, I mean, i like I said, i like I think it's good vibes and I like the fact that JSN is getting more involved in the offense. They have multiple skill guys at each position and they have a um pretty heft decent defense. So I honestly, like you said, Geno's been good for fantasy for a couple seasons now. And so I i would
00:25:29
Joey
Yeah, it's just like right on the cusp of surprisingly good and more like, you know, expectedly decently surfaceable.
00:25:39
dtmr
Yeah.
00:25:40
Ryan
yeah i mean I think the interesting thing with all all of the three guys we just talked about, Mayfield, Darnold, and Smith, it just goes to show when you get a new opportunity on a new team and you get those upgraded wide receivers, some of these guys really can turn their seasons around and years around. and It kind of makes you think if you have that quarterback that's really struggling on a bad team or just has no weapons at all, you know sometimes you hold them and if they ever do get traded or end up in a new situation, they can turn it around.
00:26:11
dtmr
Yeah, it is interesting to see all these guys are ones that their careers look like they're over and they're going to revitalize later on in a career, which honestly provides a lot of faith for ah the Trey Lance hopeful.
00:26:16
Ryan
Yeah.
00:26:22
dtmr
So i we'll see.
00:26:24
Ryan
yeah I mean, Mayfield Darnold and Smith two years ago They were done, and now all all three of them are top 10 QBs to start the season.
00:26:29
dtmr
Hey, everybody.
00:26:32
dtmr
Exactly. I mean, Mayfield got paid, CART got paid, Geno got paid, Donald Palmer can get paid.
00:26:38
dtmr
but yeah Yeah, he's not here.
00:26:38
Joey
don know Well, I mean, I don't want to never say never.
Quarterbacks' Fantasy Impact
00:26:41
dtmr
You're not like him. He won't get like him right now.
00:26:42
Joey
Yeah, yep.
00:26:43
dtmr
Yeah. But moving to the surprisingly bad starts here. These are names that are very highly sought after assets in Dynasty and and top QB.
00:26:53
dtmr
So we got Patrick Mahomes is only QB 12 for the first two weeks. So obviously I don't think we're worried that the sky is falling on him, but he's supposed to be the QB one.
00:27:05
dtmr
He's drafted as that or at least the top three guy. He wasn't that last year and he's not turning that way this year.
00:27:09
Ryan
That's what I was going to jump in and and say. It's surprisingly bad, but it's really not if you looked at last year. He finished, I think, as the QB 8 last year.
00:27:18
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
00:27:19
Ryan
like He wasn't QB 1 last year, and everyone drafted him this year as the QB 1 again. so you know He doesn't have the wide receiver depth that some of these other top quarterbacks have.
00:27:31
Ryan
and He hasn't been rushing like a Josh Allen or a Jalen Hurts rush. And so real life, obviously, he's still winning Super Bowls and you want him. But fantasy, I feel like he he's a fringe top 10 after last year and this year. And maybe he's not that top two dynasty asset that everyone's been thinking he's been for a long time.
00:27:53
Joey
Yeah, you said it. I think it really comes down to the rushing. um You know, like what his yardage and his touchdowns are. Not all that different from kind of some of the guys that we talked about.
00:28:06
Joey
I mean, we were padding Geno on the back for 400 about 500 yards and two touchdowns when Mahomes has 450 and three touchdowns. But the difference is Mahomes you drafted significantly higher draft capital and.
00:28:20
dtmr
Mm hmm.
00:28:21
Joey
um A lot of the quarterbacks that you're drafting around the time you're drafting Mahomes are rushing rushing the ball a ton, provide a lot of weekly upside on the ground, ah upside with you know touchdown scoring, like rushing touchdown potential. and Because you're not really seeing that from him, plus the fact that it's a little inconsistent, plus the fact that Kelsey appears to have hit the cliff. um Now he just lost Pacheco, who's a big part of the offense.
00:28:45
Joey
um You know, it seems good, but for fantasy, you know, we're going to talk about Joe Burrow in a little bit. And i I don't totally, I don't view Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow differently at all, which is for fantasy, you know, like they're just.
Rookie Quarterbacks Discussion
00:29:01
dtmr
Yeah, I agree. Dynasty, we get it. like he He's going to be around for years. he's like That's one of the things you do, draft him while he's so valued so highly. And he doesn't elevate the players around him, but he doesn't have a lot of players around him right now to elevate. So I think he's still, from a Dynasty perspective, he's a QB one, top 10 QB there. But you've got to also view him from like what production you're going to get out of him. you got I feel like you've got to kind of lower the expectations, at least for current year. got Not even just talking about him. The team has no rushing right now. Kelsey, <unk>ll we'll get into him a little bit later, but not have any output he used through. They don't have Hollywood. Rice is good, but he can't. I don't know if he can be a true one. He's more of, again, like a short ADOT guy. And I am a big, worthy skeptic. So tough to see. A lot of consistent upside there, at least in the near term.
00:29:52
dtmr
What about Dak Prescott, another guy who had a great end of year last year. He's currently QB 16. I think a lot of people were trading boatloads of stuff to get him at the end of last year, especially after now that he signed a long contract in Dallas. But where are you guys feeling there?
00:30:09
Joey
I think probably brighter days ahead for Dak and the whole team in general, you know, like the rushing attack isn't exactly there. I think they'll get it together. If the defense just so happens to not be as good this year, which is certainly a possibility, then that's even more. Upside for Dak, a lot of the numbers he put up last year was with him not needing to do as much later in the game, so. I uh, I think I'm not. I'm not concerned, man. I uh.
00:30:38
Joey
I say that with ah someone who has several shares, so take it with a grain of salt.
00:30:42
dtmr
hahaha
00:30:43
Ryan
Yeah, I don't think he's going to be a top 5 QB like he you know finished last year, but I think he will improve from QB 16 as we go on. They haven't looked great as an offense so far, but I think they'll regress to the mean a little bit there. ah Dave, I'm curious what you think because I know you're a little bit of a skeptic.
00:31:03
dtmr
Well, I got CD. So that's one thing I do love CD. And I think that these two guys are now tied together for years, which is one thing I think is great for both of them. You know, that they're going to be matched together from a dynasty perspective.
00:31:14
dtmr
I, I kind of, you know, Joe said, I feel like this team is doing what they did last year. They're trying to run the ball and they cannot run the ball. They have no, and like, they're going to just going to be whipping it second half of the season.
00:31:24
dtmr
So, um, I think you're going to see some bigger stat lines going forward. So if I could get him cheaper based on this, I don't think you can get him as cheap as you did last year, potentially earlier this season, but I think there may be a violin right now. What about Joe Burrow? I know Joe, you were alluding to him. He's currently QB 18. It's been a ah rough start to the Cincinnati. You've got to watch him in person a week long. So how are you feeling about Mr. Burrow?
00:31:52
Joey
Yeah, not great vibes around the whole team, the whole offense. um i I love Joe Burrow and I'm just not, like I said, it's not good vibes right now.
00:32:05
Joey
i
00:32:09
Joey
Yeah, it's a similar situation as, like I said, Mahomes, except he's not Mahomes and he's in what looks to be a slightly worse offense. the only The only thing that he does have going for him is that their defense appears to be terrible. So he might just end up with good fantasy numbers strictly as a result of the fact that they're playing from positive game script the whole year.
00:32:30
Joey
um
00:32:31
Ryan
I feel like at week one I feel like there was some weird stuff going on with Jamar Chase too and like he was trying to get a new contract and stuff so they had a really off week one.
00:32:31
Joey
but
00:32:41
Ryan
I don't know I think he turns it around a little bit but he has had an up and down last couple of seasons so <unk>d I'd be a little worried about him if I was an owner.
00:32:51
dtmr
Notoriously bad starter to the seasons here. And and but he has an IT Higgins and Jamar Chase didn't really practice. I think they'll be okay long-term. We're not too concerned, but at some point this is just becomes exhausting. I
Brock Purdy & Injury Impacts
00:33:04
dtmr
think owning Joe Burrow and I think and anyone's had him for multiple years now is probably becoming exhausted with this ah whole dance. So you can maybe float out a couple of trade offers there, but.
00:33:15
dtmr
as long As far as production goes, and like they're definitely going to eventually sound chase, I think they'll be okay. But I just think there's a a lower floor week-to-week than you thought you had previously. like um But to talk about another guy who seemed like a rock last year, starting off a little bit slower, is Mr. Brock Purdy at QB 21 through the first two weeks. Hey guys, feeling about this guy who obviously came out of nowhere last year. but It's looking but can like he's not getting the touchdowns he needs yet.
00:33:43
Ryan
I feel like it Yeah, that's that's the thing in it his weapons are hurt, you know CMC hasn't played
00:33:49
dtmr
here Yeah, one.
00:33:51
Ryan
Deebo is now out. He's only thrown the one touchdown. He has 550 yards though. If he threw two more touchdowns, you know, he'd move up quite a bit. So umm I'm not super worried there. I actually think out of the ones we've talked about, he'll go up quite a bit over these next couple weeks. And if CMC comes back healthy, I think his value will really improve. So I wouldn't be too worried if I owned him.
00:34:19
Joey
Yeah, it really all comes down to how long these guys are out. Ayuk, hopefully, you would think, has a little bit of a ramp up at this point. And he's firing a little more on all cylinders so from this week forward.
00:34:31
Joey
um But Debo, if he misses a couple of weeks, McCaffrey, we said, probably going to be at another, what, six, four to six, maybe more.
00:34:38
dtmr
yeah
00:34:38
Joey
So um yeah, ah it's tough. McCaffrey is a big ah big ah hole to fill in the offense. so
00:34:46
dtmr
Yeah.
00:34:47
Joey
i I mean, I think he'll potentially be a ah streaming option, but like, you know, he certainly, I don't view him as a weekly starter right now, personally.
00:34:59
dtmr
Yeah, like, and again, down to see he'll get paid this off season for sure. The thing is like, Ryan, to he's got the yards. He just doesn't have to touch. He has one touchdown in the year.
00:35:06
Ryan
It just hasn't gotten in the touchdowns.
00:35:06
dtmr
if Obviously, he lost a couple of weapons that get those touchdowns in Devo in CMC, but I think he'll eventually start bouncing back. Touchdowns are a little finicky, so once he starts getting those, I think things will turn around. But what about Mr. 101 and most Super Flux Dynasty rookie drafts this year? Caleb Williams has looked real bad, and he's the QB 32, and he actually only has two more fantasy points in the year than Bryce Young, which we'll get to Bryce Young in a second, but how are you guys feeling about Caleb?
00:35:38
Ryan
I mean, you have to you have to be concerned at least a little bit. Even if you're in it for the long haul, as bad as he's played, you've got to be a little concerned, especially seeing what just happened to Bryce Young. I'm not saying that Caleb Williams is the same and that's going to happen to him, but you see how quickly everything can change and you know you drafted him first overall.
00:36:02
Ryan
I think there's hope and I'm not saying he's not going to be an NFL quarterback and you should panic sell, but I think you got to be a little concerned.
00:36:12
Joey
I. I'm willing to give him a little bit of leeway and I I know I was. Sharing a similar opinion last week, but it's. He's under a lot of pressure.
Will Levis & Struggling QBs
00:36:25
Joey
um Physically under a lot of pressure. um From it from his offensive line not being all that great, and I think just in general, it's a tough situation to be in. I don't necessarily love his attitude. Frankly, like I feel like that is a challenge for me.
00:36:42
Joey
And there's been like that clip going around this week of CJ Stroud trying to give him like tips on the field after the game. And he just like weird weirdly was like not really receptive of it. And so like that part is a little concerning. But as far as like what's on the field, I think it's hard to come in and just like you know pick it up and you know have success at the NFL level right away. And um I'm willing to give him the time But yeah, the attitude thing is definitely my biggest.
00:37:13
dtmr
Yeah. I agree. He's got talent, but he's got it he's got to change the style of play. He's not playing against college kids anymore. He's playing against Gorman, supporting their families. So like it's it's a little little different talent pool that you're dealing with. So like this the the things he used to do, he can't do anymore. But again, like and this was a concern I think a lot of people had, is like can he change the style of play? And does he have the right attitude to like take that in? like Once he starts hitting adversity, how's he going to handle that? so We'll say I would definitely give it some time because the tools are there. He just has to have the right mindset sort going forward. But speaking of another bust, Bryce Young got bench and I just want to hear your guys' thoughts. What are you doing there?
00:37:57
Ryan
It's pretty crazy. I was reading a ah bunch of articles today about it and how it's just, you know, could turn out to be the worst for his overall pick of all time and stuff. So yeah, absolutely.
00:38:07
dtmr
It definitely is when you factor in the trade capital.
00:38:10
Ryan
I mean, if you're an owner, I don't think you can do anything but hold and hope at this point, because you're not going to be able to sell him for anything that he's worth selling for. So you just got to hope he gets on a new team somehow and can become a Mayfield Darn Elder Smith in the future.
00:38:29
Joey
Yeah.
00:38:30
dtmr
yeah
00:38:31
Ryan
But I don't think it's gonna happen, but that's all you can do.
00:38:33
dtmr
yeah I don't have a lot of confidence in them, but hopefully you can maintain getting a paycheck. You feel bad for the dude.
00:38:42
Joey
Yeah, not great. i i don't I don't really have anything encouraging or positive to say.
00:38:43
dtmr
and think and Yeah. And, uh, another concern. What about will let us do that? I don't think I've ever seen a coach, uh, so blamed and later we're bumping our own quarterback in two consecutive weeks.
00:38:57
dtmr
Um, so I would just to say, I talked about the off season, picking up amazing Rudolph and on Reddit, I put in there, a lot of guys on Reddit were saying I was crazy. They're never going to bench below. I was like, I cannot wait for them to bench.
00:39:09
Joey
it
00:39:09
dtmr
And I'm just going to bring back that thread and be like, suck it.
00:39:10
Joey
ah
00:39:13
dtmr
But, uh, are you guys feeling about the little lettuce situation?
00:39:15
Ryan
I mean, the the play last week was hysterical. He was like ah basically on the ground upside down and just like flipped this ball backwards.
00:39:20
dtmr
He makes terrible choices, yeah.
00:39:25
Ryan
So I feel like he he got chewed out because he had two just ridiculous plays. And if it wasn't for those two plays, the coach wouldn't have said anything. But yeah, I mean, obviously it's concerning.
00:39:35
Ryan
He doesn't look great.
00:39:38
dtmr
Yeah, get Mason Rudolph, he's out there, just definitely stang him. Someone just threw me, the Will Levisoner in our league threw me a third for Mason Rudolph, and I'm like, nah. I'm
Running Back Surprises & Impact
00:39:49
dtmr
holding out. I feel like he's definitely starving.
00:39:51
Joey
The crazy thing is that they haven't looked awful. Frankly, they are like two really boneheaded plays and like kind of like mental collapses away from being 2-0. They haven't looked terrible. So that's the part of it that I feel like if they get that cleaned up a little bit, then maybe he has a little bit of a longer leash. but
00:40:12
Ryan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't think his coach chooses him out if he doesn't make those two single plays. um But he made them, so.
00:40:21
dtmr
I mean I don't think he's making a lot of great plays either on top of that but anyway let's move over to the running backs so surprisingly good Ron you mentioned before running back one of the year is Alvin Camara old man Camara sky is just the fine father time right now but how are you viewing Camara going forward
00:40:42
Ryan
I mean, I would actually view him as probably at a top running back this season. I mean, we've seen him do it before. Obviously he's older, but if he gets the opportunities and the team continues to play well, I don't see there why there's any reason he won't end as a ah top five running back.
00:41:00
Joey
Yeah, i have good I have a good ah good feeling about Kamara just just strictly from the fact that he's going to be, or he he's looking like one of the main beneficiaries of the change in scheme and coordinator in New Orleans.
00:41:19
Joey
And he obviously looks like he's got he still has some juice.
00:41:23
dtmr
It's the most he's looked like he's had in like three years.
00:41:23
Joey
So if he's, yeah.
00:41:26
dtmr
Like he looked like he was turning down for a while. It looks great so far.
00:41:30
Joey
Yeah. And if he's going to get the like the the five, six, however many targets a game, they don't have like a very good. Well, I don't know. They didn't have a very good defense last year. Maybe they have good defense this year. I'm not going to go around and say they don't have a good defense. So TBD on what their, what their game scripts are going to be like. but
00:41:49
dtmr
I mean, they're blowing out teams early so far, so it's hard hard to tell right now if the d defense ah hasn't had to be that good.
00:41:51
Joey
yeah
00:41:54
dtmr
But honestly, if I'm a contending team this year, this is the type of player I'm throwing my first at to try and grab on my team to to really level up. I'm not currently a contending team, so I'm not throwing it there.
00:42:06
dtmr
And I also don't have Camaro, so I'm not trying to, yeah, but like, let's no one believes that I'm like a real 2-0 guy yet.
00:42:07
Ryan
Didn't you just say you were two and up?
00:42:14
dtmr
But this is the type of guy, I think, I agree, like he's someone, I think is worth like contending, trying to level up on it. If you're like rebuilding, you know, you got someone worthwhile ah in the trade market. What about a surprising JK Dobbins, who's the running back four on the year? Come back from me acl the then the Achilles. What are we thinking here?
00:42:38
Ryan
I mean, now I was just going to say, I talked about him last week yeah and said, you know, after one good week, you were happy because we thought he was dead in the water. And now here he is with two good weeks and RB four on the season. I don't think that's going to continue, but you know, they seem like they're kind of switching to a bit of a more run heavy offense and she's been the beneficiary. So.
00:42:38
Joey
Go ahead.
Running Backs' Future Value
00:43:06
Ryan
Maybe it continues and as long as he doesn't get injured, he could have a good year.
00:43:13
Joey
Yeah, um this is one of those situations where I still really want to cling to my. He's toast guns and because I really do think that he's toast, but there if they're going to run the ball 3540 times a game, he's going to get opportunity and the offensive line looks pretty functional.
00:43:32
Joey
Their defense doesn't look atrocious. It's it's just like the the type of football that ah Jim Harbaugh wants to play and you know if he's
00:43:41
Ryan
If he doesn't get hurt the entire season, how would you feel about him? If you knew for a fact he wasn't going to get injured, would you say he's going to finish as a top 10 running back?
00:43:51
Joey
No.
00:43:53
Ryan
No.
00:43:53
Joey
No, I would say maybe made mid like between 15 and low 20s.
00:44:07
Joey
But yeah, I don't know. I feel i they're they're kind of splitting carries between he and Gusbuss at this point. Gusbuss hasn't looked great, but I it might just be a situation where there's like these two games happen to be a Dobbins Dobbins games and there are some Gus games down the road and. um Yeah. I. I would I'd probably look to trade him if I. Could in any format, redraft, dynasty, anything and but yeah, that's just that's just that's just probably me.
00:44:45
Joey
having take lock and not wanting to change my opinion, but ah yeah, I just, I can't imagine how this continues even beyond like halfway or a third of the way through the season at this pace.
00:45:01
dtmr
I mean, I've always loved Jakey Dobbins like a lot and he's burned me, I don't know. every freaking time before that. so like i um a I'm excited to see him like turn around because I've always been excited about him and I've hated that injuries is out to his career, but I think it continues to extend again. like i don't I would not bank on long-term RV1 potential and Dynasty.
00:45:24
dtmr
I don't also bank on this being a multi-year thing either. I just have a hard time feeling like the body can hold up that long in there, but you still want to get it.
00:45:34
dtmr
I think it'll be super valuable. I again, I think depending if I would float out trade offers or something that I think has a, ah it was a safer asset. Just, just, this feels like a very volatile asset that I still have like a lot of concern about putting a lot of eggs in going forward.
00:45:49
Joey
Yes, safer and maybe like more but you know fruitful in terms of like future value.
00:45:49
dtmr
like That's kind of what it is.
00:46:01
dtmr
yeah
00:46:01
Joey
like i i think I think Dobbins will have very, very, very near term value, but I really can't see a scenario where it lasts very long. So if you could turn it into somebody who you could get more out of for longer, i I'd think about it.
00:46:13
dtmr
Yeah, that'd be my thing. And if you can't, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be pushing too hard to get him off my team. Cause I think he's going to be useful. And I think he's great just like my concern, especially when you're thinking about dynasties, you, you don't want to, you want something that has some longevity to it. I don't see that really in diamonds, but at the same time, there's teams are like, you don't need longevity. There's a short term assets are great too. You want the right next, but if this is your RB one and you're expecting this BRB one into next year, like I'd probably try to find something else.
00:46:43
Ryan
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I think in Dynasty, I definitely agree. And if you can sell him for something valuable, I'd do it because I don't think it will last. But I don't know. In Redraft, I feel like he is going to have a decent season this year if he doesn't get hurt.
00:46:56
dtmr
Well, yeah, especially all the other injuries. This guy's the only one that can hurt.
00:46:59
Ryan
Yeah.
00:46:59
dtmr
It's crazy. What about Remondre Stevenson? He got the bag in the off season. Now he's the RB9 of the year. Probably not after this week based on how tonight's game is currently trending.
00:47:10
dtmr
but
00:47:10
Ryan
I was going to say we have ah a little bit of a crystal ball here. He only has five carries for 19 yards in the third quarter, so.
00:47:13
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah. Not a great great great game trick ah script for him right now, but it's fine.
00:47:17
Ryan
if
00:47:21
Ryan
Yeah.
00:47:21
dtmr
But how how do you guys feel about Maimundra?
00:47:24
Ryan
I mean, I think he's going to have a good year. I think they are using him quite a bit and you know he did get the bag and. I think he'll have a decent year. I think he'll be service bullet. I think he's going to fall down a little bit. I don't think he's going to be a top 10 RB for the year, but I could see him finishing in the top 20 to 15.
00:47:49
Joey
I just want to end interject by saying Garrett Wilson, touchdown.
00:47:53
dtmr
Yeah, he did get a touchdown.
00:47:54
Ryan
No.
00:47:55
Joey
ah Yeah, i'm i i'm I'm buying, I'm selling high on the Patriots as a team right now, so I kind of feel the same about Stevenson, where I think the Pats are, the the the Pats have already reached their pinnacle for this season, and I think it's mostly downhill from here, and it might be the same for Remondre.
00:48:16
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, I love my enjoy. I don't think it'll be downhill, but I think I don't think you're going to be getting the the first two weeks production that we've got so far.
00:48:29
dtmr
cause like his like He got a lot of touches.
00:48:29
Joey
Yeah.
00:48:32
dtmr
He's a workhorse. But if the game gets away from them like it is tonight, this is the downside on it. You didn't really see that. They were very feisty the first two weeks, which is why he was. And like some of it was a surprise.
00:48:43
dtmr
I don't think they'll be able to do that week in, week out. So the the floor is a very low point total because that they just had to abandon in the run.
Underperforming Running Backs
00:48:52
dtmr
which they're currently doing.
00:48:53
dtmr
So I like him. I'd still, I think he's still got, uh, he'll be useful and after this year as well. So in dynasty, I like him a lot. So I think he is an undervalued asset overall. Um, but I would not think he's an RB one that I'm going to lock into my lineup every single week.
00:49:09
Joey
Yeah, no, I agree. And I was actually just going to say exactly that just to clarify like my I was only I'm only selling him as you know, we use the RB nine. I'm selling him as an army one the rest of the way but he'll be fine as an RB two or three flex.
00:49:20
dtmr
Yeah.
00:49:24
dtmr
What about Brian Robinson? I know I talked about him a little bit last pod. ah He's the running back 12 on the year. Had a monster rushing game last week against the Giants, which most teams will. But how do you guys feel about Robinson? I personally have been high on Robinson all off season, so everyone knows that. But I'll let you guys kind of jump in here.
00:49:42
Joey
Yeah, I don't have super strong feelings except that I like what I see. And ah we'll probably talk we'll probably we'll probably talk about him again later.
00:49:48
Ryan
Yeah,
00:49:52
Ryan
I feel like he's a ah good middle of the road running back. You're not going to ever get that top 10 season out of him probably, but he's a startable guy you can throw on your roster.
00:50:03
dtmr
Yeah, he's he's a a better version of Devin Singletary to me for Dynasty where he's just going to be a rock solid running back to on your team year in, year out for multiple years going forward with the ability to have some pop games. So in Dynasty, like I love that, especially for team for teams that it's like very hard to get running backs depth on it. I think he's like a great asset to have. So I believe it to an extent and the team believes in him, I think.
00:50:29
dtmr
But, uh, Tony Pollard, how about him? The running back 13 of the year, seemingly taking the RB one role and, uh, Tennessee, how you guys feeling about him? Which obviously had about down near last year.
00:50:41
Joey
Yeah. It's hard to really dislike what we've seen, honestly. I was i was ah look ah expecting last week to remember last week's pod. I was kind of like banging the Ty J Spears drum, but then Pollard came out and had another great week, so.
00:51:01
Joey
Yeah, I I mean personally, I think it's a good situation for him and he's getting a ton of passing work, which is great. And yeah, nothing nothing to not like.
00:51:13
Ryan
Yeah, I think people just thought it was going to be a mostly split backfield. And Pollard has kind of come out as the lead back. And if that continues, then you know he'll have some value for sure.
00:51:24
dtmr
Yeah, I agree. I think he's someone who turned his value around. I thought he was trending the wrong way after last year, and it it seems like he's trending back up again, and someone I wouldn't mind acquiring. But for a surprisingly bad, we got Kyron, who is currently the the running back to 19. Obviously, we had some trepidation going into the season with Kyron. So with the early goings, how are we feeling about ah Mr. Williams, who was, I know, Joey's guy last year.
00:51:53
Joey
Yeah, ah there might not be a great team with the injuries that they have right now. um Bad offensive line with the injuries that they have right now. It wasn't really great last week. I'm a little concerned, personally. I was concerned to begin with. I'm more concerned if it's a bad team with a bad O line. So yeah that's i yeah, that's not a, I wouldn't i wouldn't call him a by-law right now.
00:52:20
Ryan
Yeah, and I was going to comment on the injuries too. I think that's basically been the story there. He's getting the work. It's just their team has not been good and their ah offense is falling apart. And if that's the case, then it just might not be a great year for that team in general.
00:52:35
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, he's only got 106 total yards in two games, between rushing and receiving. But a lot of that, to your point, is the old line. That is just a disaster. But what about ETN, Travis ETN, who's a running back 22 on the year, which I just saw a wild trade, Joe.
00:52:52
dtmr
I don't know if you saw it on our other data series. Jesus, someone just traded ETN for Deshaun Watson, which is just that to me.
00:53:00
Joey
Yeah, not not not a good trade.
00:53:00
Ryan
ah So so we're not we're not viewing them that low.
00:53:00
dtmr
No one, why does he have to do all of these trades? No, I never get these offers. But anyway, I'm running back 22.
00:53:06
Joey
Not a good.
00:53:09
dtmr
Obviously not a great start so far. He was drafted as like a top five at worst seven dynasty running back. So how do you guys feel about Mr. ETN?
00:53:18
Joey
Yeah, I mean, team is not looking great, so. He had a lot of his value last year in touchdowns. if the If the offense is going to take a step back and not score as much, that's going to hurt him. um He's going to have to do work in the passing game. He does have two touchdowns through two weeks. ah So i'm if i'm if I have him, I'm certainly not ah trying to dump him off and salvage what I can. I think there's still some upside there.
00:53:45
Joey
but he's going to need the team. The team i needs to perform, the offense needs to perform better to kind of lift up all of the fantasy options. if id I'd kind of feel the same way if you asked me about Trevor Lawrence and Brian Thomas, et cetera. Like they look fine, but the offense is going to need to score points.
00:54:03
Ryan
Yeah, I think it's very similar to Kyron and it's not injury related, but the offense just hasn't looked great. Uh, I mean, Christian Kirk's basically been non-existent and now, uh, Ingram's hurt. So it's just an offensive struggle overall for the team. But I wouldn't be worried about him as a player, like going forward.
00:54:23
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, I was lowering him because I didn't think he was a super efficient running back. I thought he was a sell high in general, but I don't think he's as low as the RB 22.
Wide Receiver Surprises
00:54:32
dtmr
So I think if the offense gets going again, brighter days are ahead, but I don't think he's a ah locked in loaded RB 1 personally. Rashad White is the RB 31 through the first two games as well. This is another guy that people had some concerns about his efficiency going into the year. So ah we how are we feeling on Mr. White?
00:54:52
Joey
Yeah, had him as a sell going into the season. And and um not surprised that he's had terrible efficiency on the ground because he's he's not a very good running back, but 7 for 80 in the air. And I think that he'll continue to be a serviceable option in the in the receiving game. So he'll be worth rolling out there, especially in half and full PPRs. But bucky Irving doesn't look terrible. And if he continues to,
00:55:21
Joey
ah earn snaps and targets and whatnot that will just eat into Rashad White's value a little more. Basically, you just got to keep ah an eye on those receptions. And if that starts to tick down ah and to any degree, then I think his value will drop off pretty quickly.
00:55:42
Ryan
Yeah, I think the injuries, the concern, he he had a good week one and then got injured in week two. And the problem is if Bucky Irving comes in and looks great, you know, who knows? Maybe it becomes a timeshare going forward and that'll really hurt his value.
00:55:56
dtmr
Yeah, this is something I saw actually sold in the off season one league as well. So ah yeah, I mean, this is kind of what I expect out of him. If he's not getting touchdowns and any more rushing volume, like you're not going to be happy because the rushing yards kind of stink. DeAndre Swift is the running back 40 and he's just, I don't think he's a great running back, but how are you guys feeling?
00:56:19
Joey
I'm out.
00:56:19
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, he just hasn't looked good.
00:56:22
dtmr
Yeah, he's not. If you don't have the the Eagles old one, you're not gonna look it. I think that's he's the mild sanders of this year. I think we can ah probably agree on that one.
00:56:30
Joey
yeah yep
00:56:32
dtmr
And this guy not as much a surprise. I didn't want to put him in the own section, but what are you guys doing about Jovante Williams? This is like kind of the make or break point of the season. I think for him. Are are you guys holding him buying lows to keep trying to ship him off?
00:56:44
dtmr
What are you thinking?
00:56:47
Ryan
I'd ship him off. I definitely would not be trying to acquire him.
00:56:53
Joey
Yeah, um I haven't loved what I've seen, unfortunately.
00:56:53
dtmr
Yeah.
00:56:56
Joey
I haven't really loved what I've seen from anybody on the in the Broncos offense.
00:56:58
dtmr
Yeah, the Broncos offense is bad.
00:57:00
Joey
Yeah.
00:57:00
Ryan
Yeah.
00:57:01
Joey
Yeah, it's not great for Javante, but.
00:57:04
dtmr
But, uh, and alternatively, what about Jordan Mason? Obviously he's been unbelievable. Seems he's going to be out ah a while and he's looked like a top 10, five running back when he's out.
00:57:15
dtmr
If you were trying to acquire Jordan Mason because I've seen someone who doesn't have like a ton of long term value and it's like a tricky thing. and And most often than not, this is just a player that doesn't get acquired in dynasty because the team's just going to hold on to him. You won't get the return. But what would you, if you were trying to acquire Jordan Mason, what would you be offering?
00:57:34
Ryan
I don't know if I would because the second CMC comes back. He's useless unless there's another injury. So I don't know. I don't think you can give up that much value for him. I think like you said, if you're lucky enough to be the owner, you get to you reap the rewards from it. But to go out there and try to get him on your team to potentially have six good weeks from him, I feel like it's pretty risky.
00:58:00
Joey
Yeah, he's not worth the price that he will cost.
00:58:04
Ryan
yeah
00:58:05
Joey
Because, you know, whoever has him is knows what they have. ah And the amount that you'd have to pay for only limited value just wouldn't be worth it.
00:58:15
Joey
So it's kind of a situation where if you have him, it's because you drafted him or picked him up off the wire. And he's just not likely to be traded.
00:58:24
dtmr
Yeah. Maybe try to snag CMC or send the boat to get that.
00:58:28
Ryan
Yeah.
00:58:29
Joey
Yeah, no, that's actually a that's actually a good call.
00:58:30
Ryan
Or that, yeah.
00:58:31
dtmr
Um, and then finally real quick, uh, keep trade cut, uh, three middling running backs who, uh, kind of weird starts of the year.
00:58:32
Joey
Yeah.
00:58:42
dtmr
Zach Moss, Jerome Ford, and Zamir white. Give me a key church cut for those three.
00:58:49
Joey
This is easy for me, right? So maybe I'll let you go first.
00:58:53
Ryan
I'm probably gonna, ooh, I don't know. Keep deck moss, trade forward, cut white.
00:59:03
Joey
Yeah, that was exactly what I had as well.
00:59:04
dtmr
Same, that's what I was gonna do.
00:59:06
Joey
Yep.
00:59:07
dtmr
Yeah, I think White is not the guy.
00:59:09
Ryan
yeah but White's definitely not the guy.
00:59:11
dtmr
yeah All right quickly moving now to wide receivers at wide receiver one we got Chris Godwin on the year he's getting all the Slot action in that offense and it's really paying off which is where he had that monster year a few years back But I guess you know about Gavin turn the clock back
00:59:31
Ryan
I mean, I think it's great. I think he's been good. He has Evans who sometimes takes, you know, the fantasy points, but I think he's going to have a great season. Um, not probably going to finish wide receiver one, but I think he could, could finish top 10.
00:59:48
Joey
Yeah, I put them in that same bucket as basically every skill position player for Tampa Bay and New Orleans right now where i'm you have my attention.
01:00:02
Joey
And yeah you know if they can kind of sustain this for the next like few weeks more, then I'll be bought in. um Right now, I'm just cautiously optimistic that he'll be able to continue. right like A lot of it is the scheme and you know being like running routes from the slot. And they're moving them all over the field. He's actually getting some on the outside, some in the slot. like He's just kind of like all over the place.
Underperforming Wide Receivers
01:00:29
Joey
And I think that's benefiting him right now. If they continue to use him like that, then I think ah he'll continue to produce.
01:00:38
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, I think they will. They were talking about in the offseason, getting Ricky McMillan on the outside, kind of opened that up for him. So um ah obviously, I don't think wide receiver one. I mean, he's had a wide receiver two finish. it's I would be excited if I owned him, because you thought that he was turning down. And with the new offensive scheme going forward, it seems like his value back up there would be pretty useful.
01:01:02
dtmr
What about Rashid Shahid, who's the wide receiver three? Rashid's been someone I've been a huge fan of for a couple of years now. I talked about him a lot last year on the pod. But I want to get your thoughts on, obviously, he's a, I'm not sure why Rashid's three is in the cards, but when I get your thoughts on the value of Rashid going forward.
01:01:25
Joey
ah I feel the same way as I feel about Godwin and Carr and Kamara. Same response. i My gut tells me to sell high on Shaheed.
01:01:39
Joey
Um, but I think there's, I think there are, there are cases to be made for acquiring him as well. I think like Harrison and Dan just acquired him in our league for some picks. And I thought that was a good move for them because they're thin at at wide receiver. And I think he's, you know, pretty solid, like upside weekly play. Um, but.
01:02:04
Ryan
Yeah, he's been catching the deep balls. I think with Carr, he's going to come back down to earth for sure. I think he can be startable, yeah, but I think he's going to come back down to earth quite a bit.
01:02:17
dtmr
I mean, I've always loved she, she, he'd have been, I would have been training for him in our league if I didn't have a Lava already. Um, but I, I think he is the perfect back end. Uh, what, uh, or I should say the perfect wide receiver three to have in your team. Cause I think his floor is a little bit higher than you usually get a boom bus players, but he has the make mega boom option there. Um, and that offense is starting to click now with their pre-snap motion and often scheme there. So I like him a lot. Obviously I don't think he's a top.
01:02:45
dtmr
12 wide receiver, but I think you hope he's really useful. What about Jaden Reed? Wide receiver four still in the year, even though he had a down week two.
01:02:51
Joey
Thank you.
01:02:55
dtmr
Obviously, love was out. But going forward, love should be back soon. How are you guys feeling about Reed? I'm a huge fan, personally. Great last name. So, like, Reed's all, you know, they excel.
01:03:06
dtmr
But I want to get your thoughts.
01:03:08
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, I think with love coming back, he should be fine. And you we talked about it before. Someone in Green Bay has to be that wide receiver one right now. It looks like it could be him. And if it is, then he'll have a lot of value.
01:03:21
Joey
Yeah, I mean, I think especially as they are ah whispers of Jordan Love being back sooner than previously anticipated. I think that's phenomenal news for everybody in the offense, but maybe mostly for Jayden Reed. So yeah.
01:03:40
dtmr
And then a couple quick guys here. Alec Pierce is the wide receiver six. Jamison Williams is the wide receiver seven. And Quinton Johnston is the wide receiver 22 on a back but two touchdown game this past week. So how you guys feeling about that threesome?
01:03:55
Ryan
i Just don't know why Jameson Williams is in the surprise category. I mean that it was a known coming into the season that um I Kind of view them all similarly like they're all have had a ah great start to the season They're not guys that you're hoping are gonna finish top ten, but I think they all do have some value um You know we we talked about the Chargers even who was gonna catch the ball is there so you know maybe it is Johnson now and I think they'll all have value for the rest of the season for sure.
01:04:26
Joey
Yeah, I'll just ah I'll just say. We'll talk about Quentin Johnson a little later and. um Not I'm not buying it.
01:04:37
dtmr
Yeah. Johnson, I mean, it's good to see he he who caught the ball. So like, that was the issue.
01:04:42
Joey
Yeah.
01:04:42
dtmr
Couldn't catch him before. Alec Pierce, I think his fools go personally. He's a deep thread. He runs a lot of...
01:04:48
Joey
Yeah, Josh Downs is coming back, baby.
01:04:49
dtmr
and' Come back. Yeah, so I actually don't have any faith Jamison I have faith in nationally so hated and completely mainly because he has 20 targets in two games That's like he is a focal point of ah offense.
01:05:03
dtmr
I never thought that was gonna be a thing. That was a my was issue I thought it was gonna get tops four targets a game and he had to catch at least one of them granted the only caught 50% of his boss though, but 20 targets and
01:05:15
Joey
Yeah.
01:05:15
dtmr
That means you are a bottom point of that offense, and if he's going to do that with that speed, I've completely changed my opinion. I think he's going to end up being very valuable. Maybe not a top 10 wide receiver, but honestly, with that type of upside and target share, if he finishes there, it it could happen if he gets a touchdown or bearings go his way. On the surprisingly bad side,
01:05:37
dtmr
Uh, almost, uh, because James is done so good. I'm in Ross and Brown's only the wide receiver 30 so far. Personally not concerned, but want to get your sense there.
01:05:47
Joey
Yeah, i no concern. ah I think after last game, he probably he probably could have gotten a pass on being in the bad category.
01:05:51
dtmr
they're going to feed yeah
01:05:58
dtmr
Yeah. It was just week one was real bad.
01:05:58
Joey
He'll be fine.
01:05:59
Ryan
I agree.
01:06:01
Joey
Yeah.
01:06:01
dtmr
What about Jalen waddle wide receiver 31?
01:06:05
Ryan
I mean, with two out now, I'd be super concerned. um you know yeah yeah he I think he he's taken a huge hit in terms of value.
01:06:09
Joey
Yeah.
01:06:10
dtmr
Yeah.
01:06:10
Joey
You can't stay on the field to begin with. and Yeah.
01:06:17
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Obviously you got, he got the bag in the off season. So like I kind of was feeling this last year and then he got paid. I was like, yeah, maybe someone I can look into, but yeah, he is clear. Number two, Tyree's not going anywhere and two is now gone. Uh, and the run game has become more prevalent. So.
01:06:34
dtmr
I think his target share is just going down. What about Garrett Wilson who obviously scored touchdown tonight, but he's only the wide receiver 37 a week. Even with the touchdown, he only has 25 yards and four catches.
Wide Receiver Analysis
01:06:49
dtmr
I think you're expecting a lot more with Rodgers at the helm right now. So how are you guys feeling about him? alike He was a top five wide receiver as of like last year. I'm personally like starting to,
01:07:01
dtmr
be concerned if he's even a wide receiver of one, really. But how are you guys feeling?
01:07:06
Joey
Yeah, a little bit concerned even tonight. Only four for 25. If you didn't say that, I was trying to pull up the stats, but yeah.
01:07:12
dtmr
Yeah, I got it. Second window.
01:07:14
Joey
Yeah, ah but I yeah, I mean it's it's a little concerning, honestly, and it's it's concerning because not because they're a bad team, just because like they give the ball to Breeze Hall a lot and a guy like Aaron Rodgers is going to like he already has chemistry with Lazar Lazard has two touchdowns already and significantly more receiving yards and.
01:07:35
Joey
you know, kind Tyler confidence wrapped up almost 100 yards receiving tonight. So like, you know, good quarterback.
01:07:39
dtmr
It's because I need a bench conflict. I say conflict is not involved in the offense and he goes for fucking five and 93.
01:07:46
Joey
Good quarterbacks are going to get them are going to get all the guys involved. I don't know that they need to force force feed Garrett Wilson. So he'll be all right. um But he's Yeah, I think he probably was a little overdrafted for what he's going to produce.
01:08:01
Ryan
Yeah, I agree. I, I haven't really viewed him even last season as a ah top dynasty wide receiver. I feel like he's not even with Rogers. I don't think he's going to finish as the wide receiver 37.
01:08:12
Ryan
I think he will have a little more value than that, but, um, yeah, I mean, Rogers is, is thrown to his guys, Lazard also with a touchdown tonight and, uh, you know,
01:08:22
dtmr
They also got the emergence of brilliant Allen now, which if you're trying to keep Rogers healthy, you're going to run the ball more. But the other thing too is like from dynasty, Rogers not going to be around for that much longer.
01:08:33
dtmr
So like I'm starting to think Wilson's not a top 12 dynasty wide receiver going forward.
01:08:34
Ryan
Yeah.
01:08:40
dtmr
What about George Pickens? That was someone that a lot of people are higher on. I was skeptical on him, but he's only wide receiver 45 so far.
01:08:48
Joey
Yeah, I would I'm okay with him Frankly, I have him in a couple leagues and I'm I was pleasantly surprised he caught a couple downfield balls week one um and Yeah, they don't have a ton of other passing weapons. I mean, Roman Wilson hasn't seen the field yet and. They do run the ball and they do have a quarterback who can't really throw very accurately, but.
01:09:15
dtmr
Those don't seem like good things.
01:09:17
Joey
Yeah, no, I mean, not look, I mean, I'm not.
01:09:17
Ryan
Yeah, I
01:09:21
Joey
I'm not in full blown panic, but it just the offense hasn't seemed like super conducive to guy that you want to have ah receiving weapons in your starting lineup from.
01:09:34
Ryan
don't think it's going to get a ton better for him personally.
01:09:38
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, honestly, I get he has more of the dog alpha mentality, but I think in the field, I don't think you're going to get much different production and between Pickens and Shaheed, and the two different offenses that they're in. So, viewed very differently in values, but I think they're probably closer than most people think. But speaking of the Saints, Chris Olave is only wide receiver 51.
01:10:04
dtmr
I'm not personally concerned. I think it's more week one was weird game We too he just didn't get the touchdown, but he you he got the yardage So I think he's gonna be okay, but want to see if you guys have any concern about ah a lot of it Good yes, we are definitely talking about him very much.
01:10:19
Joey
no no concerns here
01:10:20
Ryan
Yeah, not, I think he'll be okay.
01:10:20
Joey
think we'll talk about him again later
01:10:25
dtmr
I know a lot but what about tanked out why receiver 65 who's a diamond in the rough last year if in rookie drafts looking like the third wheeled so far in that offense. What are do you guys thinking?
01:10:37
Ryan
Yeah, I'd be a little concerned. I think he's, he's going to be the third wide re receiver there and that was the concern. Um, so I don't think he's going to have a season like he did last year.
01:10:44
Joey
No, no concerns here. I think we'll I think brighter days are ahead. I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to sell low.
01:10:55
Joey
um I debated going to him this week for my props and touchdown scores and whatnot, but you know, still, he still ah is over under on receiving yards is still like 51 or 52 and a half, which is a, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a,
01:11:11
dtmr
yeah take it
01:11:16
Joey
It's a, it's a respectable number and he's had decent amount. He had a decent amount of targets in week one. They're scheming him in with like design rush plays. Like he's definitely a part of the offense.
01:11:28
Joey
Um, and I think it's only a matter of time until he hits a long touchdown or two. And then, you know, that'll quell people's nerves.
01:11:34
dtmr
Yeah, I'm most protected too. having a good game really, but I think Nico is going to have a good game every single game. So it's really between digs and and tank or if they run the ball, but they run the ball a ton now as you saw when Joe mixed in selfie. So I do have concerns that people were viewing him like a top 20 wide receiver in dynasty. A little concerned that that's realistic going forward, but I do think he has boom busking Again, I think he's going to be in the Shaheed type of mold. He probably gets a little bit more target share than Shaheed, but they get schemed in similar ways, but they just want the ball in their hands. But yeah, a little bit of concern there. What about Michael Pittman, who's the wide receiver 68 on the year so far?
01:12:19
Joey
Little concerned as the Michael Putman owner in our league. um Anthony Richardson is just. Not the best most wide receiver friendly quarterback and. Yeah, I'm a little concerned. I'll just leave it at that.
01:12:37
Ryan
Yeah, I think you got to be concerned if you drafted him as a wide receiver one. um Like da or Joe said, yeah Richardson's just not getting the receivers the ball and you're not he's more of a rushing quarterback or deep ball quarterback, which is not really Pittman.
01:12:56
dtmr
Yeah, you need Anthony Virtresson to become a better middle of the field passer for Pitt Minnesota gaining value again. I still think he is the one. I don't think anyone's threatening that role for him. It's just purely the quarterback making the connection with him. It's not like any of the other guys are threatening his market share.
01:13:17
dtmr
Just got to hit him when he's open. That's really what it comes down to. So I am a little concerned because you have to have that faith that development happens, but, uh, less concerned where other people, like you have to be people in a pecking order.
01:13:30
dtmr
I feel like that's a harder thing potentially. Um, so not zero concern, but I have a little bit more confidence there. Terry Maclaurin, uh, Y receiver 70. Been real bad so far, um, with, uh, Jim Daniels, but what are you guys thinking?
01:13:44
dtmr
I think right. You might be the, uh, Maclaurin owner.
01:13:46
Ryan
yeah Yeah, we're the owner. I feel the same as Pittman. I think it's just Jane Daniels is is not a great quarterback for a wide receiver like that.
01:13:53
dtmr
Scared.
01:13:56
dtmr
What about you, Jeff?
01:13:57
Ryan
So I don't honestly think it's going to get a ton better.
01:14:04
Joey
Yeah, I and yeah.
01:14:08
dtmr
Yeah, I was getting it. I thought I was building for on him and I think I'm kind of out on him now.
01:14:10
Joey
Then.
01:14:13
Joey
Yeah, not a great offense rookie quarterback.
01:14:18
Joey
Yeah.
01:14:18
dtmr
And he's not getting a new quarterback, but this is going to be his guy.
01:14:20
Joey
Yeah.
01:14:21
dtmr
And like he didn't, Dan is a good passer, but he's, it's not working for him. I think youre like it's, I don't know.
01:14:25
Joey
Yeah.
01:14:27
dtmr
There's no connection there. That's someone who ah I'm um personally even more concerned about.
Tight End Performance Surprises
01:14:31
dtmr
I actually forgot to add this guy to the list because I didn't scroll this far down in the rankings. And I went further notice Christian Kirk is a wide receiver 96.
01:14:39
dtmr
Yikes. Um, 29 yards and two catches in the first two weeks. Uh, I am like. Red alert right now. I am like probably trying to ship him off as quickly as I can. What are you guys thinking?
01:14:53
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, Thomas has taken some of that work and like we talked about earlier, Lawrence hasn't looked great. So, um, definitely concerned. Do I think he turns it around a little bit and, you know, finishes as a flex player. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, it hasn't been great so far through two weeks. That's for sure.
01:15:18
Joey
Yeah, and especially like with the emergence of Brian Thomas, I think that's the biggest challenge for him right now is that ah Lawrence obviously has chemistry with Thomas and Thomas is explosive and he's open, so I think that's going to be probably the biggest challenge for Christian Kirk at this point.
01:15:34
dtmr
I also think the issue too is because with Gabe Davis coming over and Brian Thomas, Kirk's not on the field and three when it's in two wide receiver sets.
01:15:42
Joey
Two hard receivers, yeah.
01:15:42
dtmr
So like he's only on the field when there's three wide receivers. So when there were like 12 personnel, which is two tight ends, he's not on the field, which like you like getting slot, uh, slot targets and slot, uh, roles, but you don't want to be a primary slot wide receiver because you're not in the field all the time.
01:15:58
dtmr
And Kirk is becoming that. That was a concern beginning of last year and it is now can't come back and That's why I'd be trying to get rid of him. This is not just like he's knocking targets. He's not on the field so he can't get the targets. But real quick, two guys who obviously have a slower start because of contract issues early in the season, didn't get a lot of practice in a preseason game. Jamar Chase and Brandon and I, any concerns out there? They're there're obviously lower in the range. Chase is at obviously 44 and now you get 60. I'm not really concerned, but want to see if you guys have any concerns there.
01:16:29
Ryan
Nah, no so concern.
01:16:30
Joey
Yeah.
01:16:31
dtmr
All right, stay fast if you own these guys. All right, and quickly, we're running to tight ends. Surprisingly good. Isaiah Likely is still the tight end one after two weeks because that week one was so good. And tight ends, I'll just start this out in general. Tight end has not been a great position right now overall. There's like two guys that have been useful that most people count on, but Isaiah Likely, how you feeling about him? Obviously, he was a darling in week one.
01:16:58
Ryan
I think it's what we said on the last podcast. It's going to be a real up and down year. I mean, we already saw it turn around in week two, so I don't think he finishes anywhere near tight end one. I think it's actually a ah rough season to own him because you're never going to know when to start him and it's going to be one of those.
01:17:14
Ryan
two points when you start them and 20 points when you bench them type of seasons. But, um, you know, it definitely has value if coming into this season, you know, you had them. I don't think you thought you had someone you could start and you probably can't start them, but I don't know. I feel like it's going to kind of be an up and down thing with him.
01:17:34
Joey
Yeah, that's my thinking as well. I think he's going to have big weeks, but to predict them is going to be nearly impossible unless there's an injury so. Tough.
01:17:44
dtmr
I totally agree, but moving to someone on who seemingly has more predictability, Brock Bowers is a tight end too on the air, and just love him.
01:17:51
Joey
Yeah, love love love Brock Bowers.
01:17:54
Ryan
I mean, that's what you drafted him for.
01:17:54
Joey
Yeah.
01:17:56
Ryan
so
01:17:57
dtmr
He might already be the tight end one in Dynasty.
01:18:00
Joey
Yeah.
01:18:01
dtmr
He's the target share that he's getting and in producing and catching. He's got 15 out of 17 targets he's caught so far, which is crazy. He hasn't even got a touchdown yet in the tight end, so you give him a touchdown too, this guy's gonna be dominating.
01:18:09
Joey
Yeah.
01:18:14
Joey
Yeah, it's been crazy.
01:18:15
Ryan
yeah I would be very excited if I owned him.
01:18:17
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that, if you got him, brother. Hunter Henry's the tight end five and started off hot this, yeah, he's thinking of, he started off hot, but then he kind of fell off.
01:18:26
Joey
I think he's thinking it up tonight.
01:18:31
Ryan
Yeah, it's like Joe was talking about earlier, if that offense doesn't continue to do what it did the first two weeks, he's not gonna finish there.
01:18:38
dtmr
the This is also the classic Hunter Henry experience.
01:18:40
Ryan
Yeah.
01:18:41
dtmr
He has a couple of big weeks early, gets you excited and disappoints you a week after week after that. What about Mike Kiseki, who's a tight end six, had a real big week last week. I think we went seven for nine targets.
01:18:54
dtmr
I actually ended up starting him, helped me get to a win, thank God, because I was desperate. But how are you guys feeling about Kiseki right now in the Cincinnati Bengals?
01:19:03
Joey
Yeah, i i've I've been intrigued with his usage, frankly. i mean at Being at the game week one, and ah a lot of us had...
01:19:15
dtmr
Yeah, the tight end called back. Touchdown, excuse me, tight end called back.
01:19:16
Joey
Yeah, a lot of us had money on Andre Yoshivas. And every time he was thrown like across the middle to someone who was in chase, we're all like, Yoshivas? And 50% of the time or more, it ended up being Gisicki.
01:19:31
Joey
Gisicki was just getting like ah targets. And last week, same thing. Last week, he had an even better game, almost 100 yards. So um yeah, someone who I'm keeping in the back of my mind as I'm like ah thrown together
01:19:37
dtmr
Yeah.
01:19:44
Joey
Bengals parlays and whatnot for the next like couple of weeks because he's he's getting like all the T Higgins targets are going to him right now.
01:19:46
dtmr
so
01:19:49
dtmr
Very involved. Yeah.
01:19:53
Ryan
yeah
01:19:53
Joey
Although maybe not this week because I feel like DeMar Chase is probably going to squeak a little bit.
01:19:56
dtmr
Tim Marjorie is going to be like, squeak real quick.
01:19:58
Joey
and yeah
01:20:00
Ryan
And tight ends thin. So if you have someone who's getting that type of involvement from Joe Burrow, you got to be excited about it.
01:20:08
dtmr
and And let's also remember, it's like he had one year where he dominated. He had like a ton of targets, a ton of yards. He's a physical freak. So I think there is merit to this. And like, I think he could be a top 10 tight end. Obviously getting in the back end top 10 isn't that hard. But if he's going to get even like 75% of that market share, when T Higgins come back, I think he'll be a real useful asset. and Someone who could probably stick around for a couple of years. um Now, the surprisingly bad, these are guys that are big names that we've all kind of invested in that haven't showed up yet. So starting off with Sam LaPorta, everyone's tied on one going into this year after being the title one in his rookie year last year. It's the title in 16 this year. And obviously he hasn't got any touchdowns yet, which was a big thing. I think he had 10 last year, but he only has eight targets of the year. So how are you feeling about LaPorta?
01:21:02
Ryan
I think it's the Jameson-Williams you know resurgence.
01:21:06
dtmr
Yep.
01:21:07
Ryan
And if that's going to continue, then Laporta's value is going to take a hit.
01:21:12
Joey
Yeah, it's been a weird, weirdly not good couple weeks for the Lions and Jared Goff and the whole offense, plus the Jamison Williams emergence. i not totally, totally freaking out. i think there I think he'll have his value this year, but it'll be ah significantly ah less than we saw from him last year, so.
01:21:37
Joey
But probably a decent buy low, frankly, especially in Dynasty.
01:21:37
dtmr
Yeah.
Underperforming Tight Ends
01:21:41
Joey
ah If you can get them on the cheap after two bad weeks, that it might be worth kicking the tires.
01:21:47
dtmr
Where would you have him ranked real quick in the Thailand rankings?
01:21:52
Joey
Startup.
01:21:52
dtmr
In dynasty?
01:21:54
Joey
Uh.
01:21:57
Ryan
I'd still probably have him as like a, around, like a top.
01:21:59
dtmr
Would you, Bowers or Laporta?
01:22:03
Ryan
I would take Bowers.
01:22:05
dtmr
Would you go Trey McBride or La Porta?
01:22:07
Joey
Tough call three. I prefer McBride.
01:22:15
Ryan
Yeah, I think Laporta's value has definitely taken a hit. I still think he's a top five Dynasty Titan, but yeah, I mean, Bowers, I definitely it would probably take before him.
01:22:24
dtmr
What about Kincaid or La Porta?
01:22:29
Ryan
And I think I'd take La Porta.
01:22:31
Joey
I think I would take La Porta as well.
01:22:33
dtmr
Andrews or La Porta?
01:22:34
Joey
La Porta.
01:22:35
dtmr
Okay, so he's like the time of three then we'll say.
01:22:35
Ryan
Yeah, definitely La Porta.
01:22:37
Joey
Yeah.
01:22:37
Ryan
Yeah.
01:22:39
dtmr
So, speaking of Kincaid, he's tied on 21 also off to a rough start which is also shocking because you thought he was going to be peppered with targets because they didn't really have any true web receivers, again, only six targets on the year so far.
01:22:52
dtmr
I feel about Kincaid.
01:22:53
Ryan
I feel like we we talked about this before the season started a couple podcasts ago and how You know, those targets sometimes go to the running back instead of the tight end.
01:23:04
Ryan
And we're seeing that James cook is having an incredible year. So, uh, I'd be a little worried if I was a Kincaid owner, I don't think he's going to finish as a top five tight end this year.
01:23:15
Ryan
I still think he holds a lot of value, but you know, we've just seen it with Josh Allen. He likes to run. And now James cook is also running a lot. So they just haven't had the passing offense that you need.
01:23:27
dtmr
Mm hmm.
01:23:31
Joey
Yeah, they were getting him involved though early last week and then that game was it kind of got out of hand pretty quickly and James Cook was feasting on the ground and through the air and whatnot. So I think he'll get more of a feature in the offense than it looks or it's it may seem like he will from weeks one and two. So not totally totally freaking out.
01:23:55
dtmr
ah Yeah, I wouldn't be fully freaking out either. I think it's been weird games so far. You definitely want to see them more involved, but mostly I think there's a lot of a lot of season left to kind of play that one out.
01:24:08
dtmr
But what about finally try this? Kelsey the Titan 28 on the year. That's when I have a little bit more concern about.
01:24:14
Joey
Yeah,
01:24:15
Ryan
Yeah, i'd be I'd be worried.
01:24:15
Joey
i
01:24:16
Ryan
I mean, we all knew the cliff had to be coming at some point and it certainly seems like it may be coming this year. So I'd be concerned for sure in terms of considering him a top five tight end.
01:24:32
Joey
yeah i would say I agree. I think the cliff has very quickly come. And frankly, they have aspirations of trying to win another Super Bowl. And I don't think they're going to kill Kelsey throughout the course of the year.
01:24:45
Joey
I mean, granted, he's on the field a lot. He's on the field more this year than he, like, in terms of, like, snap percentage than the last couple of years.
01:24:47
dtmr
Yeah.
01:24:52
Joey
But it's not really turning into target. So I don't know if he's not getting open, or if it's Mahomes just targeting the other guys, or if it's an intentional, like, ah thing about, you know, not wanting to put too many miles on him too early in the season, and I don't know, but it's it's looked concerning.
01:25:12
dtmr
Yeah, yeah, he has not looked spry. I think it was one way to put it, but yeah, I'm a little concerned there and I don't really know what you're doing down to see it. It'd be hard to ship them off at this point. You got to kind of wait for a big game or two to kind of get that value back up and trade them away.
01:25:28
dtmr
um
01:25:29
Joey
You know that scene in Titanic when there's that like really old guy, think it's like the action oh i ironically, maybe not so ironically, I actually think it's like the the ship's captain and he goes in the room and he locks the door and it's just like he's kind of like surrounded by glass and just like kind of standing there like holding onto the wheel and like you know, eventually all the water breaks in and that's that's kind of how you feel like when you're a Kelsey owner in Dynasty, right?
01:25:46
dtmr
Yep.
01:25:50
dtmr
You're holding Kelsey.
01:25:53
Joey
You're like, you're just, you're just going down. Like the windows are cracking.
01:25:55
dtmr
You're going down shit.
01:25:56
Joey
The water is about to like wash in and just take you out and there's nothing you could possibly do. You just gotta, just
Introduction to Betting Segment
01:26:02
Joey
gotta go down.
01:26:02
dtmr
Oh man, it's a rough feeling.
01:26:06
dtmr
Well, that was our dynasty debrief and it was anything but brief. But anyway, but we definitely got through a lot there. But I think we're going to get into our next segment, Joe. Why don't you take it away?
01:26:17
Joey
Yeah, so it's time to go into the Joey Bottles parlay and other potentially profitable pick kitchen for this week. um But first, again, you guys may have heard ah from us or from last week's pod, or the pod before that, that we recently partnered with Bedstamp and Sign Up Expert, opening up an incredible opportunity for you to join some of our favorite sport books and get the best odds and new user offers.
01:26:41
Joey
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01:27:16
Joey
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01:27:56
Joey
for this for the year on straight picks and I don't know how exactly I want to track the parlays yet because frankly, you know, if I track units on same game parlays, I'm almost assuredly going to end up down.
01:28:09
dtmr
Yeah. I don't, I don't put a full unit typically on before.
01:28:09
Joey
But you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
01:28:13
dtmr
i but yeah
01:28:14
Joey
So we'll think about how we're going to track the parlays. um But for straight plays, um Dave and I both turned in profitable weeks, we'll get the exact numbers. I think I went two and one on three straight picks.
01:28:27
dtmr
I think I was looking at two or something.
01:28:27
Joey
And Dave had three and two, but but a couple, but a bigger, I think you had one of the one like plus money.
01:28:30
dtmr
I was, I was, I see a unit on my pick.
01:28:37
dtmr
neighbors are yeah and I had a couple plus money, but also I personally put like multiple units on the neighbors over yard, so that did help.
01:28:41
Joey
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll get records like that next week. Hopefully ah they will contain winners that we're about to give you.
01:28:52
Joey
So um Dave, you want to start or you want me to kick us off?
01:28:52
dtmr
Yeah.
01:28:55
dtmr
um I'll jump in first, because you you got you got the the chef cooking right there.
01:28:58
Joey
Okay, go ahead. Go ahead.
01:29:01
dtmr
i don't I don't have any of that. Mine's all like microwavable meals. let's go i got ah I got a couple for you. I got i got even more than last week, so we'll see. This could be either really good or really bad. But first one, throw it out there. CJ Stroud, under 260 passing yards. I got a minus 114 at FanDuel. He hasn't cracked it yet. he's ah He actually had 260 last week at Chicago and 230 against Indianapolis in week one. And Minnesota actually has a pretty good
01:29:34
dtmr
defense. They shut down San Francisco from an offensive perspective. ah Purdy did throw a over that 260 mark last week, but I think the way this ah offense is going to run, I feel like that under might be a good prop there. And a lot of people typically want to go in the over on the Strad, they love Strad. So I feel like that number, they know how the the public leans, I feel like would be higher if they thought that it was a real concern there. But then I got a Derek Carr is another one I'm really loving for the week. And you're going to see a lot of plays from this game with the Saints and the Eagles. Derek Carr at over 232 and a half pass yards. The Eagles secondary sucks. It's really bad. You saw it when Kirk Cousins won the game last week.
01:30:17
dtmr
And Derek R has been on fire with this new offensive scheme. So I think that's going to play very well. And with that, I think there's going to be, if he's going to have a lot of over on the pass yards, another player I'm highly invested in is Chris Olave is over 61 and a half receiving yards also at minus one 14 on fan dual.
01:30:35
dtmr
I'm gonna throw on both of those straight, but also I'm gonna par parlay those together at plus 162 because I think there's a lot of correlation there But I think this is gonna be a big game for a latte and then one I'm slightly less confident because I think everyone's on it But it just feels like the number should be a touch higher Rashid Shahid over yards is 49 and a half yards and as well. I might sprinkle some on that, but if you want to even get a bigger parlay and put that together with the Olave and Carr, since that's all kind of correlated together, you're going to get a plus 331. So we'll mix that all in there. And again, we'll figure out how we track all this going forward.
Betting Picks & Strategies
01:31:11
dtmr
One of the biggest plays that I'm really into this week is Jameson Williams over 53 and a half receiving yards as well. I believe they are really quick checking who are they playing the Rams this week.
01:31:25
dtmr
who are the Lions playing, uh, the Cardinals, excuse me, the Cardinals, Cardinals past defense is real bad.
01:31:32
dtmr
James Williams is getting basically double digit targets each week. Uh, this is only going to take two catches, uh, to pass that. So I, I'm really loving James and Williams yards.
01:31:32
Joey
Haha.
01:31:43
dtmr
ah Surprise is honestly not a bit higher, but I'm definitely throwing the hammer down on that bet in the same game because also the Lions secondary isn't as strong as its front line is. Marvin Harrison over 64 and a half yards. We saw him basically blow that up on one play last week. I think that can be a a big play and we've seen the Lions give up big yards to the number one receiver to receivers before. Cooper Cupp had 110 yards.
01:32:08
dtmr
And then Godwin last week had 117. So I think this is a a good defense to exploit for the number one wide receiver. Also in the same game, Kyle and Murray over 30 and a half rush yards. He had 59 to 57 the first two weeks each week. And the Lions have, as I mentioned, a pretty fearsome front line. So they're gonna, I could see them flushing Murray out of the pocket and he starts taking off. So I think he'll easily cross over that 30 and a half rush yard line.
01:32:36
dtmr
Uh, Brendan Ayuka mentioned before his line actually in the week is a 68 and a half. This is, uh, the game against the Rams. Uh, the Rams are just falling apart, but they have no Devo. They have no CMC. They may not have kiddo. I think this is a get right game for a youth. They're going to feed them a ton of targets. Um, and we also saw that, uh, Marvin Harrison Jr. Put up 130 yards on him on this defense last week. And James and Williams had 121 yards in this defense last week. So.
01:33:05
dtmr
Ayuk is a similar downhill threat. I think he's going to cross that threshold pretty easily. And finally, Brian Robinson Jr., over 53 and a half yards rushing. Seems low in this matchup real quick. They were playing the Bengals. Bengals D is not that strong. Raimondre just put up 120 yards.
01:33:23
dtmr
Last week at 4.8 yards per carry and Pacheco put up 90 yards, excuse me, that was week one, Pacheco last week at 4.7 yards a carry for 90 total yards rushing last week. If he averages even four and a half yards a carry and only gets 12 carries, he's gonna cross his threshold. That line seems very low low for me and I'm gonna hammer that as well. Those are my picks. Take them if you believe in them, I know I do.
01:33:52
Joey
Yeah, the ones that I like of yours specifically, um Marvin Harrison, the Lions can be attacked through the air and their rush defense is incredible. So I think that's a good look. And yeah, I'm hoping personally, as you guys will see in a minute with the same game parlay for um I will also be attacking that Saints Eagles game as an opportunity to hopefully exploit two offenses that have looked pretty solid and defenses that from the Eagles specifically you mentioned it they have not looked very good so.
01:34:28
Ryan
I like the Kyler Murray over 30 and a half rush yards too. I feel like that's pretty low and I could definitely see him hitting that.
01:34:37
dtmr
Yeah. Cause he, they don't always, they do some design rushes, but I feel like a good amount of his come from when he gets flush out of the pocket and he takes off. So the rush D is very strong for the lines, but I don't think that's going to be, uh, that's against like design rushes and the running back. I don't think that's going to be the case for the Murray rush yards.
01:34:56
Joey
All right, so for my um my three picks this week, I'm going to be going with... First, ah i I like to throw in under you guys. Last week, we threw Isaiah likely under longest reception, and that came in. This week, we're going to go with Quinton Johnson under 35 and a half receiving yards.
01:35:13
Joey
um Frankly, this is just a play on the Chargers and the fact that they have rushed the ball for nearly 35 to 40 times a game the first two weeks. And my anticipation is that they will continue to rush the ball as much as they possibly can. um They are playing against Pittsburgh this week in Pittsburgh. ah That's a very tough passing defense to get at to begin with. Justin Herbert is a little bit banged up.
01:35:44
Joey
The total for the game is only 35 and a half. So I am predicting that this is a very, very ah heavily ground and pound slog type game. And um I think we're probably getting oh a hair of value on the under with Quentin Johnson after last week's kind of big game. so Quentin Johnson under 35 and a half receiving. Next we're going to go to Amari Cooper, over 47 and a half yards receiving. Has not been a very good start to the season for Amari Cooper um from a yardage perspective, but I think this is a great by-law opportunity for him.
01:36:24
Joey
Had eight and nine targets the first two weeks um had some unfortunate drops um But this week he plays against the Giants at home. I think it's a it's a good get right spot for him and the whole team um And I just I like the opportunity if he's gonna be getting you know, like I said eight ish targets a game ah He's going to turn that into more than the 10 to 20 yards that he's only accumulated per game the first two weeks. So Mari Cooper over. And then for the for the third play, we're going to go to Monday night, which is Commanders at Bengals.
01:37:03
Joey
That is Monday. Yeah, that is Monday night.
01:37:05
dtmr
Okay.
01:37:05
Joey
And we're gonna go, we're gonna go to place first, we're gonna go Brian Robinson over 11 and a half receiving yards. And you'll see this with me throughout the course of this year, where a lot of times when I take a play,
01:37:16
Joey
And i I like the logic and I like the thought and I watched the game and you know Robinson had three targets last week against the Giants. And it was just a weird game. that The team didn't score any touchdowns. um But I like the thought process there. And I do think that Cincinnati will score points against ah this commander's defense.
01:37:37
Joey
um so ah Yeah, like I said we had he had five targets in week one three targets ah last week and I think it's a good matchup for pass catching back. So And then I'm also taking Zach Moss over 51 and a half ish rushing yards I think you can get 49 50. I saw 52 out there.
Same Game Parlays & Predictions
01:37:58
Joey
It's in that range We'll call it 51 and a half because I thought that was the most widely available number um He's clearly the number one back here. I do think this will be a positive game script for Cincinnati
01:38:08
Joey
um Joe Burrows looked a little bit weird and I think they'll probably look to control the ball and Zach Moss will get 14 plus carries. So I like over 50, 51 and a half rushing yards for Zach Moss.
01:38:27
Joey
so Those are my official plays Quinton Johnson Amari Cooper and I gave you two to choose from on Monday night I personally between the two like Bryan Robinson over 11 and a half receiving yards slightly better, but um I'll be playing them both so and then ah I know we probably don't have a ah a Drop, but we can hit him with the spicy meatball Nice. ah This week, same game parlay. So last week, same game parlay, not great. um We missed on three out of the four legs. And frankly, the leg that I was the most lukewarm on was um, and raw, a hundred plus receiving yards. And that's the one that came in.
01:39:12
Joey
So um we're going to stay confident this week, and we are going to go, like I said, to New Orleans, Philadelphia at New Orleans. um We're going to go for a three-legger. ah First leg, we're going to go Chris Olave on the alternate receiving yards, over 75 and a half.
01:39:29
Joey
ah You can play Dave ah his actual line is set to 60 or 61. I see this as a game that ah Philadelphia will look to try to not get.
01:39:45
Joey
blown up by Rashid Shahid and I see it as ah high scoring and probably a lot of opportunity for Olave. I like the fact that even despite the fact that Shahid has been putting up big numbers ah last week, Chris Olave still had
01:39:59
dtmr
Hmm, see.
01:40:03
Joey
His his average average depth of target is fantastic. A lot of his balls are downfield. So I think there's some pretty good value in 75 yards for Olave. And then we're going to parlay that with Saquon Barkley anytime touchdown scorer currently leads the league in attempts in the red zone. I think he has 15 attempts inside the red zone. um So If you're just looking for something straight to play, it's like minus 150 for Barkley to score a touchdown. That's interesting. Barkley to score two touchdowns. I debated putting that in. That's interesting too. you Just from like, a Hey, this is a high implied total of this game and he's getting the most opportunities in the league from the red zone. So just throwing that tidbit out there. And then we're going to play Jalen Hurts 50 plus rushing yards. Uh, his, his actual line is set at 41 and a half. So you could play that as well.
01:40:54
Joey
depends on ah how much risk you're looking to take on. I think this is a situation where Philadelphia, I'm anticipating this will be a tight game. I think that New Orleans is going to score points on Philadelphia's defense. And I think Philadelphia coming off a loss last week, um very, very much wants to win this game. ah There was a lot more ah propensity for Jalen to run the ball last week. I think him being healthy this year makes a huge difference in his ah ah likelihood and desire to not only take off but also for them to just like outright call rush plays for him.
01:41:30
Joey
ah so Yeah, I think there's probably a little more, there's probably a little value in his, he had 13 rushing attempts in week one and 13 rushing attempts in week two, which is crazy numbers. And yeah, so those three, a lot of a 75 plus receiving Hertz, 50 plus rushing and Barkley to score a touchdown. um I put them together on bet 365, it was plus 850.
01:41:59
Joey
Um, so I think almost 10 to one there is pretty good value. If you would prefer to just play a lot of over his receiving total and hurts over his rushing total and not play the alternate lines, you sure can. That'll be closer to five or six to one. Um, and let's, uh, let's get some winners.
01:42:16
dtmr
I like it. I like that one. And one thing I'll say that ah the Mario Cooper bet you threw out before the parlay, that was one I actually had in my line as well. And I was like, I had too many. I still had too many. But that was one.
01:42:28
dtmr
I was like, yeah, I kind of like that one as well because the Giants defense is good though.
01:42:32
Joey
Not good.
01:42:34
dtmr
But those are the bets. Please ride along if you'd like to do it. Or, you know, have the loss if we lose. But we're not going to. So only money makers here.
01:42:43
Joey
yeah Probably, probably.
01:42:45
dtmr
Probably.
01:42:46
Ryan
Nothing's guaranteed, Dave.
01:42:46
dtmr
Uh, no guarantee. Um, but anyway, we're going to quickly give a, a league update. No major trades. I think we had like a third trade for some magic P Ryan at some point, uh, this weekend and Joe alluded to, I think it was like a second and third for Shaheed.
01:43:01
dtmr
So no major trades, but I think those are savvy moods for people trying to get depth. But want to give a quick update on the, uh, high and low score. So Ryan, I'm sorry, your high score did not make it past week one enough.
01:43:10
Ryan
I know, it did not last very long.
01:43:13
dtmr
and not last very long.
01:43:14
Ryan
That's okay.
01:43:15
dtmr
the Mike Kaffer and Mike Williams took the lead with a score of 164.98, edging the lap by about three or so points. But also, the low score didn't even last one week, so we had Matt Rosinski and Dan Rosinski, I don't think they're used to being in this position at 80.68 points on the week, so they are now the low man. Again, not a super crazy low score. I expect that to be beaten as well. Both of these scores I expect to be beaten, but good to see that we're moving the totem pole each week, where last week it kind of, I mean last year it kind of got stuck for a while, so it's excited to see this move along.
01:43:54
Ryan
Yeah, I agree. I think both will get beat at some point, but stay tuned.
01:43:59
Joey
Yeah.
01:44:00
dtmr
All right, but any other thoughts in the league? I know I'm trying to go undefeated in my division, take a stranglehold on that potential playoff spot because the lead the winner of each division gets an automatic bid as a top three seed. Long way to go, but trying to get a stranglehold there on a team that I didn't think was very strong going through the season. But how do you guys feel? Any big match-ups you're watching?
01:44:22
Ryan
Just hoping to turn it around this week, get back on track with ah another victory. Which is is not off to a great start because we had Conklin and Lazard on our bench.
League Standings & Matchups
01:44:34
dtmr
It's all right, it's all right. As long as the guys are still, I mean, I started, I benched Jonah Smith last week and I was hurting a little bit, but then Kiseki came through for me, so we're okay. You never know.
01:44:44
Ryan
That's true.
01:44:46
Joey
Yeah, it's been a little bit of an underwhelming star for my team as well, but got the win last week in division and ah Going up against Schluter this week. Hopefully looking to um Go two and one in the first division ah pass early season. and
01:45:02
dtmr
All right. Well, that does it for our show. Thank you for listening. And hopefully we gave you a lot of information to help you succeed in, you know, level up your team, but also make some money on some bets. So thanks again for listening to the podcast. Catch you next week.
01:45:33
Ryan
Thank you.