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EPISODE 33: OFFSEASON RECAP & ROOKIE DRAFT REVIEW
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We are back!! We missed you, and to show you how much, we do our best to quickly catch you up on what's gone on so far this offseason including the NFL Draft. We discuss the strategy changes in a Tight End Premium league as well as run through our own league's Rookie Draft.
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Podcast Comeback and Personal Updates
00:00:26
David Reed
We are back! Welcome to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. It's been a minute. How are you guys doing?
00:00:36
Ryan
Doing good. Little six month hiatus, but we're back and ready to talk some football.
00:00:42
Joey
Yeah, this will be this will be a fun one. ah There may be some some some hiccups, some some stumbles, some you know not remembering guys' names. It's been the offseason. We haven't podcasted in a while, but try to stay as plugged in as possible and hopefully going to give you guys a good pod right now.
00:01:02
David Reed
Yeah. Just to show how much has changed since the last podcast, I am now a father of three. So if that was not the case back when we podcast what was around Christmas time. So a lot has changed. A lot has changed. Don't need to get into all the things in the world that's changed, but let's just say a lot has changed since our last podcast. So yeah, we'll see. We've dusted off the mic and we are ready to roll.
00:01:23
David Reed
But you know what? Let's just kick it off. Let's jump right into it.
Tight End Premium Leagues: Popularity and Strategies
00:01:28
David Reed
So one thing I'd I've been reading Reddit. I know it's off season and there isn't a lot to do, but I can't, I can't not keep going on Reddit trying to find content. And what I've been starting to realize is that there's been a growing sense of having a lot more tight end premium leagues in Dynasty. And I get that like now Superflex is kind of the standard first, like maybe 10 years ago, was always one QB, but Titan premium in super flex, it all makes having more players more valuable in the universe. And that makes trades more fun. It makes more players you can start in the roster universe. So with Titan premium growing, I'm very interested to see how that kind of changes maybe your guys' strategy. and And just for the listeners, anyone who isn't positive how Titan premium works, Titan premium gives you more points per reception for the Titan position. So for us in our league, we're a half point per reception.
00:02:20
David Reed
And but ah for wide receivers running backs, they all get a half point every time they catch a ball. But tight ends actually get a full point. so we get instead of just the half point, they get an extra sure half point on top of that to one. Some leagues boost it even further. They may give a full extra one point. So it could be one and a half point per reception. But the whole concept is,
00:02:37
David Reed
Tight ends were kind of an afterthought before. Now it really boosts up or make them a lot more valuable. You can flex them now. But there's some certain tight ends that really get a massive boost because of this premium for the um position. So Joe and Rai, what do you guys think? How does this change your strategy in either a startup draft or when you're you're making trades?
00:02:57
Ryan
Yeah, so I think I could talk about this from a few different angles, and Joe is great to have on here because we just made a huge trade for ah tight end. So I'll say when we did the startup draft two years ago, it was my first time doing Superflex, Dynasty, and Tight End Premium. So...
00:03:14
Ryan
I did not place any additional value on the tight end spot at the time. I figured it was like redraft where it was just one roster spot. You plug a guy in a couple guys will have a top tight end. You just grab someone put them in.
00:03:28
Ryan
And we didn't draft a tight end until round 13. I think Mike just Saki, if I remember correctly, but I feel like it did hurt our team and we've,
00:03:40
Ryan
made the playoffs both years. We've been one of the top teams, but I feel like a solid tight end would have put us over the top had we focused on it in the startup draft. So, you know, we had a lot of weeks where,
00:03:53
Ryan
we'd have three, four weeks in a row where we're just praying for five points from our tight end because we didn't draft one. So I feel like that point per reception does make them valuable and can make quite a difference. So if I could do it over again, i would definitely prioritize a tight end over some midway range wide receivers. I feel like there's a lot of mid range guys that you can get. Some are going hit, some are going to miss, but having a solid tight end really can boost your team. So,
00:04:21
Ryan
I do think it makes quite a bit of a difference now i'm probably would place more value on it.
00:04:27
Joey
So for me, um I think that beyond the first probably or the top probably two guys, i think that ah probably I I try to maybe fall somewhere in between the two – um mentalities that you guys took, which is, you know, like waiting until around 13 and then, you know, like securing one of the top guys. Like I obviously was willing to part with one of the top guys in that move that we made in exchange for a quarterback, which I think is a slightly valuable, but more valuable position, even in spite of the premium.
00:05:02
Joey
But um I guess my thinking is the tight end position is so volatile to begin with. And a lot of these guys beyond the top two or three are so unreliable when it comes to weekly production that even if you have a guy like, you know, well, last year, maybe someone like Mark Andrews or David and Joku, like,
00:05:24
Joey
They are giving you good numbers some weeks and they're not giving you, you know, kind of like duds other weeks. So and in my head, i want to have somebody who is going to get something in the four to six reception range a game if possible.
00:05:40
Joey
Right. Like try to secure, like you said, a nice like five point baseline and then anything above that. is gravy. If we get like ah a touchdown, if you get like 50 or 60 yards, great, right? Like you're not going to get killed and the on the position if you are setting a nice like five to 10 point baseline, as long as you're not facing Bowers or McBride.
00:06:03
Joey
And frankly, only two people in the league are going to have Bowers or McBride or Kittle, I guess, right? So the three of them this year, I'll put Kittle with them. So in my estimation, um and we'll see,
00:06:15
Joey
you know like I've had McBride in retrospect after moving him. ah still um' happy with the move even though he's he is a true game changer at the position in a PPR because he gets an absurd amount of ah target volume.
00:06:32
Joey
um But yeah, I mean like I i think mike my personal take is I probably value – I probably still value – I would probably – between the three of us, my sense is that I would probably – be willing to take more wide receivers early in a startup before getting to those top tight ends than relative to you guys.
00:06:55
Joey
And I guess we'll do that exercise and we'll see, but yeah.
00:06:57
David Reed
Yeah, we'll do that in a second. But and I'll probably, i think my thinking is ah similar initially with yours, Joe, but I do think the elites do give you such an edge. So, cause I do think when you're doing tight end premium, that applies to all tight ends.
00:07:14
David Reed
So all tight ends are getting a boost and it's kind of that rising tide rises raises all ships type of mentality. So all tight ends are more valuable in there. So once you get past like the elite tier,
00:07:24
Joey
Thank
00:07:26
David Reed
to me, kind of, I guess Joe's mentality is like, it doesn't really make a that big of a difference with that. As long as they're getting some level about of volume, they'll be okay. So I'm not going to pay up once you get past like tight end, don't know, five or six.
00:07:39
David Reed
um But I will say the elite guys, i and I'm someone who recently made a trade for one of the top tight ends too. We'll get to that later in the pod. But I do put ah added value there because they really are a huge difference maker if they are the number one or number two target on their team, kind of like the Bowers, the McBride, the Kittle, because they get so much volume and they're so safe and you're getting a massive boost there. And the way when I'm doing roster construction, too, if I can get a a competitive edge at any position, a that can put your team over top if everything else hits. And obviously, if you have one of the top two tight ends, you have a huge ah edge over everyone except for one other team on in the league right now.
00:08:24
David Reed
But that also... kind of, um, makes up for any deficits deficits you might have in other positions. So you can figure things out and wide receiver there. It's so deep and obviously having the elite guys is super, like insanely valuable, but there's only so many elite wide receivers and there's a lot in the middle. If I can figure out the middle, like I have a lot more,
00:08:47
David Reed
leeway kind of fingering out my wide receiver corpse now because my tight end gives me such a huge boost. I'm going to be beating the other teams by so much that my title my wide receivers are just average. I'm still probably going win that week.
00:08:58
David Reed
So that's kind of where i'm I'm leveling out there. But again, I only put the added value on the elite, elite tight ends.
00:09:05
Ryan
Yeah, and I'm similar. Obviously, Dave and I just traded for two of the top tight ends, so we're going to kind of be on the same side here.
00:09:11
David Reed
Yeah. When you said that if you have McBride, that's us. That's us.
00:09:15
Ryan
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:15
Joey
Okay.
00:09:16
Ryan
So we're a little ah biased, but yeah, I just feel like it gives you such an advantage to have that guy in that position that has a chance to outscore the other team by 10, 15 points every week ah if they really don't have a tight end, whereas those mid-range wide receivers –
00:09:17
David Reed
Yeah.
00:09:36
Ryan
everyone's midway range wide receivers are going to go off some weeks and not others. So it's like not as big of a competitive advantage, but obviously we'll see how it plays out this year. Cause Dave and I just, just got them.
00:09:45
David Reed
yeah
00:09:46
Ryan
So yeah,
00:09:47
David Reed
Yeah.
00:09:48
Joey
Yeah, I mean, one one thing I would say is like in Dynasty, in a Tynad Premium Dynasty,
00:09:48
David Reed
Yeah.
00:09:55
Joey
it it It guarantees that you you have to care for the position in a in a thoughtful way that you don't have to in any redraft format or any non-tight end premium Dynasty format.
00:10:03
David Reed
Yeah.
00:10:10
Joey
right like In redraft, you can just pick up whatever schmuck is on the wire and like any week and plug them in there.
00:10:14
David Reed
you
00:10:16
Ryan
Yeah, exactly.
00:10:17
Joey
In Dynasty, like ah kind of goes like what I was saying earlier, it's like a really important thing to emphasize, which is... like If you don't have one of the top guys, but you have a guy who's who's bringing in like three to five catches a game, you're all right.
00:10:31
Joey
But if you have a guy like Ryan was saying, who is not who's barely getting any targets and you're just hoping for like one or two catches for a touchdown every week, which is a lot of tight ends, you're in a terrible position.
00:10:34
Ryan
We had no one. Yeah.
00:10:43
Joey
Like you there's there's probably like six to eight guys you can rely on for.
00:10:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:47
Joey
a handful of targets and a week at the tight end position. And like, you gotta, you gotta make sure you get one. So I think that is probably like an important thing to caveat with my mentality, which is like, you know, you can't just pump the position entirely.
00:10:59
Ryan
yeah Yeah, exactly. You don't have to have a top guy, but you got to have someone that's going to get some targets every game. Otherwise, you're just at such a disadvantage.
00:11:09
Joey
yeah
00:11:10
David Reed
Yeah, absolutely. Um, and I thought it'd interesting to kind of run this exercise. I posted it on Reddit a month or so back and I got a lot of responses. I thought it was kind of an interesting exercise, but, um, and we're really going to kind of leave this just the Bowers McBride and probably Kittle. Uh, I know Laporta just on age might sneak in in there, but it's not like actual production. I think we're going to put him in a tier below them.
00:11:34
David Reed
Um, and I think the ranks for me is probably goes Bowers McBride Kittle. Um, in production, but of those guys in the startup draft, what wide receivers are you actually going to draft before them, before you actually pull the trigger on tight end?
00:11:48
David Reed
So I'm going to pull up quickly some of the ah wide receiver rankings for dynasty and go down the line. You guys tell me when you would slot in one of those tight ends and which tight end you'd slide in, or you start considering making that move there. So I'm going to start out now with ah Joe's top boy, Jamar chase. I think we're all taking him.
00:12:06
David Reed
Justin Jefferson, we're going to take him. Uh, actually you got Malik neighbors here, three of them in this rank. Cause I'm looking at, would you go, uh, neighbors or any of the tight ends there?
00:12:17
Joey
Neighbors for me.
00:12:19
Ryan
I'm after chase and Jefferson. I'm seriously considering one of the top tight ends. I did a little research and Bowers had 264 fancy points last year, which would have put them as the number three wide receiver on the season.
00:12:33
Ryan
and chase had 353 points because he had an insane season with three weeks over 40, but McBride had 249, which would have made him wide receiver four.
00:12:37
David Reed
yeah He doesn't count.
00:12:44
Ryan
So I feel like they're right up there. Like you got the chase, the Jeffersons, maybe like a lamb or a neighbors but i've been starting to consider them right right around there
00:12:55
David Reed
Yeah, I mean, I personally have Lamb at wide receiver three in my rank, so I would go definitely Lamb, Jefferson, Chase first. I'm a Giants fan. I would start – looking at Bowers and McBride, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger on them over neighbors yet.
00:13:11
David Reed
But in my queue, would start popping those guys at that point. What about ah Puka Nakua or Brian Thomas Jr. or Amon Rah?
00:13:21
Ryan
I personally would probably take one of the tight ends.
00:13:22
David Reed
Probably.
00:13:26
Joey
Bowers would be in play for me versus those guys. I still think Brown I would take. would
NFL Draft Surprises and Notable Picks
00:13:39
Joey
i would take i I think that that might be the the the break for me.
00:13:45
Joey
After Amun-Ra, I would probably take Bowers, but I would rather have Nakua, Thomas, Nico Collins. um That's probably where... And then then another break right there where where then I would insert Trey McBride.
00:14:01
Joey
So for me...
00:14:01
David Reed
It was like the Drake London's and Marvin Harrison's of it.
00:14:04
Joey
Yeah.
00:14:04
David Reed
Yeah.
00:14:05
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah like i Because I just... I guess... And maybe it's to a fault of of mine. Like, I guess I feel like Bowers probably has a higher ceiling than McBride, just given that...
00:14:22
Joey
I mean, McBride is great, and he's always open.
00:14:23
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:14:25
Joey
um But he...
00:14:26
David Reed
He didn't have any touchdowns and he still was that good.
00:14:26
Joey
he ah Yeah. um he He also...
00:14:30
Ryan
positive Positive regression is coming for those.
00:14:32
David Reed
For sure.
00:14:32
Joey
Yeah, for sure.
00:14:33
David Reed
sir
00:14:33
Joey
And it very well may. But, like... um Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know if like the ideal state for that offense is for him to be getting 13 or whatever targets game. Marvin Harrison kind of had a weird season. and um So I don't know. I also think like if in my estimation, like part of the reason why I was OK trading him was because in my head I was like, well, this is probably like the most the the highest he'll ever produce in his career.
00:14:59
Joey
And I very, very easily could be wrong. But that's just kind of like my logic in choosing to take those two or three receivers over him.
00:15:09
David Reed
Yeah, I would probably still go nikua and maybe Brian Thomas. Nico, I'm like, I'm iffy on. I have some reservations about the Texans offense. I i don't like i know people like Cesar Shaw being ah a cell cannon is kind of like the trendy thing to do. But just in general, and he has like arm soreness and like the lines kind of stinks. And a feeling like that kind of organization kind of stinks.
00:15:34
David Reed
So that's the only reason why I might go Bowers over Nico there. But Brian Thompson and Puka would probably do it, but Amun-Ra is, I think, the round one I would might probably maybe pull Bowers over Amun-Ra there.
00:15:47
Ryan
I will say it's interesting that even Joe, like all three of us have these tight ends that high because and looked back at our startup draft and only two tight ends went in the first three rounds of the whole draft. Like wide receivers like Cooper Cup and Devontae Smith were going before the second, third tight end. So it's like back, you know, I feel like there's been a lot of really good young tight ends. And I feel like that's kind of changed people's thinking as well.
00:16:19
Ryan
Cause clearly two years ago, we didn't draft the way that we're talking right now.
00:16:23
David Reed
Also the youth on these sides of these tight ends is what happened because like Bowers was in the league of when we did that job and McBride was horrendous rookie season.
00:16:27
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:33
David Reed
He didn't start picking up until midway through his sophomore season and turned it to
00:16:38
Joey
Yeah, but I mean that even just like to to like aggregate the two points that you guys are just making there, like the age of of tight ends, it used to take them like a couple of years to hit.
00:16:47
David Reed
Yeah.
00:16:47
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:47
Joey
We used to say like rookie tight ends, they just like, you know, you sit them on the bench for a year or two. And it's been like a change over the last two or three years where these guys are coming out and they're like good right away.
00:16:58
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:59
Joey
Totally, totally like shift and dynamic and how it used to be.
00:16:59
David Reed
And tight ends also can play like into their mid thirties.
00:16:59
Ryan
Yeah.
00:17:05
David Reed
Like most tight ends, like their life cycle goes that far into like at least the early thirties. So like you're getting like a good 10 years out of their wide receivers. They start hitting a cliff around like age 28 to 30 range. Maybe when start seeing them down, when they get to like 31, even the elites, we've been seeing it with a couple of guys this past year, 31, 32, they'll drop off. Tight ends are still going to be good at like 31, 32.
00:17:29
David Reed
So you do get a nice ah longevity with the the position as well.
00:17:29
Ryan
Thank you.
00:17:34
David Reed
There's just bigger tight ends. Bodies are just like bigger and stronger. And I think that might be part of it. They're just like the biggest freaking nature athletes I feel like on the field.
00:17:43
Ryan
yeah
00:17:44
David Reed
Except Bowers doesn't look like it.
00:17:46
Joey
Yeah.
00:17:46
David Reed
But he is but he is. Kittle probably goes down a bit just on age, but I think we could all admit if you have Kittle on your roster, you feel really good about it.
00:17:58
Ryan
yeah
00:17:59
David Reed
but But with that, yeah and that was a fun exercise. Thank you for entertaining me there. But moving on to the next segment, we have some things. we just want to catch everybody up on some of those ah kind of old news. But the NFL draft did happen a couple months ago.
Impact of Draft Picks on Teams and Player Values
00:18:15
David Reed
And just kind of want to discuss if there were any, like, surprises for the draft for you guys. Obviously, the biggest one that everyone's talked about ad nauseum was Shador Sanders falling all the way to the fifth round. The Browns finally took him after already taking another quarterback and doing it.
00:18:29
David Reed
who was it Dylan Gabriel in the third round, who also Dylan Gabriel in the third round in a vacuum is a horrendous pick. So I can't believe they did that, a little over Sanders.
00:18:35
Joey
Mm-hmm.
00:18:37
David Reed
But were there any other surprises or notable picks that kind of stuck out to you guys?
00:18:42
Ryan
I think that the Jags trading, um you know, and drafting Travis Hunter was, i don't know if you would say it was a huge surprise, but I think it's pretty interesting when you're talking about Brian Thomas Jr. and now having trannis Travis Hunter there as well. And, you know, of course we got Dave's boy, Trevor Lawrence there.
00:19:00
Ryan
Got to find a way to throw him in here.
00:19:00
David Reed
he's on the up and up, it up and up there, man. It's going to be easier.
00:19:04
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:04
David Reed
Also ah just for that trade, that's a trade you make for a quarterback. And they, they did this for a wide receiver slash DB. Part of that makes me think he has to play wide receiver. You don't do that for just a quarterback. You need, you do that for an offensive weapon, which is why I have more confidence personally in Travis Hunter, but from a dynasty perspective, I should say, but that, that was,
00:19:27
David Reed
A very surprising trait, especially because there's like nothing about it leading up to the moment and then just a ah godfather offer.
00:19:34
Ryan
Yeah, it's just an interesting trade because they literally have Brian Thomas Jr., who is a young stud wide receiver. you go in make that trade for Travis Hunter, who's not even sure which position he's going to play.
00:19:47
Ryan
don't know.
00:19:47
David Reed
He's great.
00:19:48
Ryan
We'll see how it works out, but it's definitely an interesting trade.
00:19:49
Joey
Yeah.
00:19:52
Joey
Yeah. Well, I mean, early indications from many camps are that he's going to play both positions very well. There's already been highlights of him on both sides of the ball.
00:20:01
David Reed
Oh, yeah. His ball
00:20:03
Joey
So that is ah from that perspective, it's aging well in the early stages. so um I mean, I like I i support just going up and and getting a guy that you're that you want.
00:20:09
Ryan
Do you think if he, yeah
00:20:14
Joey
So.
00:20:15
David Reed
it It can break roster construction, too. Because if you think about the capital and, like, ros and you can you get this an extra roster spot that you can use for any other position. And even if you give him, like,
00:20:26
David Reed
I don't know, 40 million a year. Top wide receivers are making like 35, 40 million, but you're getting two positions. spell That's like worth it when you look at your cap.
00:20:34
Ryan
if it works out and he plays both ways, it's worth it for sure. Do you, really think he can full-time play both positions in the NFL.
00:20:43
David Reed
We'll say, i mean yeah, I don't know.
00:20:43
Joey
No. Well, can he? He may. The longevity is going to be a severe like obstacle to that, right? like Staying healthy and only playing half the game is hard enough for these guys.
00:20:58
Ryan
Right.
00:20:58
Joey
But like I think that they'll use him as a weapon, like as much of a like a weapon as you can utilize on defense. But like on big plays or in certain circumstances where um you know, they need like a big stop or it's like fourth quarter or some like some like number one receivers going off like he could he could easily get series on defense.
00:21:22
Joey
And, you know, that would be an interesting dynamic, something that like we really just haven't seen, which is like, oh, this wide receiver is just going to go out and play DB for a series and lock this guy down. So it'll be interesting to see how that actually happens.
00:21:34
Ryan
Yeah.
00:21:37
David Reed
Yeah, it'll be the one thing that works somewhat in his favor from a longevity standpoint is feel like cornerbacks and wide receivers, if played a certain way, can take the least amount of hits of most positions out there.
00:21:52
David Reed
Wide receivers, it depends on what you do with the ball after catching how you play. protect yourself. Cornerbacks, they're not involved in a ton of plays from like getting hit standpoint, especially if you're a shut down corner. like They're not just not throwing the ball your way. so that Maybe that can help, but it it's still total task.
00:22:06
Joey
Thank
00:22:09
David Reed
I'm not bug betting that it's going to work out long term.
00:22:14
David Reed
But aside from that, couple other quick hitters. I mean, Colson Loveland was the first tight end over Warren, which is not a huge surprise, but some people thought that. But just seeing that Colt Loveland went to the Bears at 10 and Warren 14 through Colts.
00:22:28
David Reed
Mecca at Buka, I think, to the Bucs was probably one of the more surprising picks at number 19. Not that it's a bad pick, it's just that i don't think people thought the Bucs were going to grab a wide receiver, especially let alone one in the first round.
00:22:40
David Reed
And people were excited for a Bucca, but now it seems like you might have to wait little bit. But that one kind of caught me by surprise. And obviously the Giants trading back to the first and getting Jackson Dart was – some people kind of – we kind of all thought it a little bit, but didn't think it was actually going to happen. And then when it happened – I'm a little excited. I'm not going to lie.
00:22:59
Joey
Yeah.
00:23:00
Ryan
I feel like it's a great move to filled excitement.
00:23:00
Joey
yeah
00:23:02
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:23:03
Ryan
I mean, it's not, you didn't give up a ton to take a chance. Yeah.
00:23:07
David Reed
Yeah, two-thirds. One was a free one we got this year anyway. So and we didn't even so the Giants got a compensatory pick in the third round, which we didn't even think we were going to get. We thought maybe a fifth rounder. So that was like a gift from the NFL to give us ammo to get Dart, which was nice.
00:23:22
Joey
Yeah. I thought i thought that um the Loveland pick by Chicago was... interesting although i mean like new regime in there so like i'm not totally shocked that um you know Ben Johnson comes in and like has the direction he wants to go, and far be it from me to question like there that decision-making. But you know they just signed Colcomet recently, and they have a lot of weapons on offense.
00:23:51
Joey
But, I mean, for what it's worth, they did load up ah the offensive line in free agency and and whatnot as well.
00:23:57
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:23:58
Joey
So you know maybe they just thought... We're pretty much where we need to be in the trenches, ah offense and defense. So let's just take another weapon. I don't know. It was questionable, and obviously it creates a little bit of a clusterfuck for trying to figure out who's going to get the ball for fantasy.
00:24:17
Joey
But, ah you know, I think I'm taking the same approach from a fantasy standpoint with both Loveland and Warren, which is just... waiting to see how they actually look and how they're actually utilized before I decide to overpay. It just feels like too much of a dice roll at this point.
00:24:36
Joey
You know, like I feel like we're, we were just talking about it.
00:24:38
David Reed
Yeah.
00:24:39
Joey
Like tight ends have been hot lately, like like these young tight ends and it's like kind of the new hotness, but we have, a long, long history of tight ends taking longer to come to speed and not always being ah as likely to hit even the big, guy even the big name guys.
00:25:01
Joey
So I, I personally wasn't willing to take the risk. We'll obviously talk about like draft, like early rookie draft selections later on. um But that's not to say that they're not both going to be great. And maybe even as soon as this year.
00:25:18
Joey
So,
00:25:20
David Reed
Yeah, yeah. there The Bears, obviously, they got Burden in the second round, and and like heard that that makes a whole mess for, like, Komet, DJ Moore, and Roman Duse.
00:25:26
Joey
Yeah.
00:25:29
Joey
Just loading it up on offense.
00:25:32
David Reed
So kind of – I put them all – you kind of have to give Loveland the winner just from Josh Capital, but I think all the weapons there – it's – I wouldn't call them losers, but someone's going to be a loser.
00:25:45
David Reed
it's It's just that you know there's going to be a loser and you don't know which one is going to be yet. But, yeah. Any other notable rookies you would want to call out? I do want to say Gentty. I've got sixth overall, which is huge for running back. But any other major rookies want to call out? I think there were a couple of later ones in the second, maybe third round.
00:26:04
Joey
oh
00:26:06
Joey
no i'm you know like i haven't i didn't do like a ton of diligence on this on these like this mid-round uh pack of mit like this mid second round draft capital pack of wide receivers um Jack Besch and Jaden Higgins and Trey Harris and some of these guys who, you know, like from everything that I've been listening to and reading, like some, one, likely more than one, maybe all will end up being a hit.
00:26:25
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:26:39
Joey
And they're all in pretty decent landing spots. But um yeah, I'm kind of interested to see how these guys um fit and how much they're utilized. I think like the Trey Harris one definitely intrigues me just from a fit standpoint and necessity for an additional wide receiver in that offense. And so that's, that's, those are, it was nice to see, yeah you know, from a, from a dynasty standpoint, gave us a lot of nice options for the,
00:27:11
Joey
mid to late, you know, late first round, early second round, mid second round, uh, high draft capital wide receivers to roll the dice on.
00:27:23
David Reed
higgins is like a size speed uh freak uh that gets paired up with another size speed freaking nico collins so that could be a dangerous combo over there um i know omar and hampton actually getting the first round draft capital was uh starting to get buzz late right before the draft and it actually come through is pretty big i should obviously mention cam ward going one overall to tie-ins rg harvey little bit earlier than I think most people predicted to a pretty decent landed spot that just got downgraded a bit because the JK Dobbins news, but still think he has pretty good value there. And Tyler, it was Tyler Shuck, right? Second round pick.
00:28:01
David Reed
I don't think many people expected that to same thing again because of the Sanders fall, but that I thought that was an interesting spot.
00:28:10
Joey
yeah I wonder if and I wonder if in retrospect they like actually like Chuck better than Sanders I don't know or
00:28:10
David Reed
But with that, any other and
00:28:17
David Reed
Yeah, Shuck has a lot of good skills, but again, like he was getting hype, but that still was a surprise going second round over that.
00:28:25
Joey
yeah
00:28:27
David Reed
But he's also super old. I believe i think he is the last player to ever be drafted that was born before 2000, which makes us all feel old.
00:28:36
Joey
Nice.
00:28:37
Ryan
and really
00:28:37
David Reed
Every player will be 2000, their birthday 2000. Crazy. crazy
00:28:42
Ryan
yeah
00:28:42
David Reed
um I know. Well, talking about old guys, with the draft, there's obviously some veteran winners and losers.
00:28:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:48
David Reed
what Were there any veteran winners losers that you guys want to call out here who survived the draft?
00:28:54
Ryan
yeah I think Caleb Williams, we were just talking about that situation a little bit. I mean, got everything he could possibly need to succeed at this point. So I think he's a winner in terms of the team is really just investing in everyone around him and he should,
00:29:11
Ryan
hopefully be able to succeed. And then and we mentioned Trevor Lawrence already, but I think getting Travis Hunter on your team is pretty cool and should hopefully upgrade him. And Brian Thomas Jr. I feel like it also should help him a little bit since he'll have someone on the other side to take some of the defense. So I think those guys won for sure.
00:29:33
Joey
Yeah, I'm going to say um my boy Chase Brown, I would say, is definitely one that we you know we were i was texting several people. for I've shared with him in different leagues and just spent a lot of time like debating trying to acquire him, even in our league, at the deadline last year. And a lot of the reservation was not knowing if they were going to add somebody either in free agency or in the draft. So the fact that I think they did draft a running back, but it was in maybe the fifth round.
00:30:00
Joey
So fourth round, fifth round.
00:30:01
David Reed
You know, Taj Brooks or something like that?
00:30:03
Joey
Yeah. um
00:30:04
David Reed
It's Taj.
00:30:05
Joey
So it does seem like there's going to be ah the full opportunity for Chase Brown to continue to dominate this year. So that was exciting for me. And yeah. And I mean, I guess I'll throw Trevor Lawrence in there, right?
00:30:17
Joey
Just because we you know, that he's been pretty maligned over the, over the years with his own shortcomings, but also not having the best ah weapons, but you know, you can't,
00:30:19
David Reed
Yes.
00:30:31
Ryan
we We got to tone it down, Joe. Dave's getting way too excited over there.
00:30:34
David Reed
I also just want to note for all listeners, I'm not the one talking about Trevor Lawrence at all.
00:30:34
Joey
Yeah.
00:30:36
Ryan
ah
00:30:39
David Reed
It's my two, my co-hosts here.
00:30:41
Joey
No, but I mean, it's hard it's hard to look at him not as a winner coming out of this draft just because.
00:30:45
David Reed
Yeah, I agree.
00:30:46
Ryan
yeah
00:30:47
Joey
Yeah.
00:30:47
Ryan
Well, I also say this, he needs to succeed this year. Otherwise, feel like his future is not looking great.
00:30:52
Joey
Yeah.
00:30:54
Ryan
If you can't succeed with Thomas and Hunter, then, you know.
00:30:55
Joey
Yeah.
00:30:57
David Reed
He already signed his contract, so he'll be okay.
00:31:01
David Reed
But no, no, I, I mean, I'm hopeful. ah Yeah, just hopefully the old line holds up for him too. But, yeah, I mean, running back seems to be a position that could your value can poof in instant, but it's couple guys that survived. DeAndre Swift, it looked like the Bears were really trying to replace him and just couldn't.
00:31:19
David Reed
So he survived. No competition there. Isaiah Pacheco, no real competition there. think they dropped some in the seventh round, which, granted, I think Pacheco was the seventh rounder as well. But still, I think Pacheco surviving that keeps his some of his value.
00:31:33
David Reed
Tyrone Tracy, you know, these are a couple of my guys on my team. But I think – It's nice that they didn't get an elite guy for the Giants. I think Scadaboo and Tracy actually nice compliments of each other. So I don't think I think his's value to the Hick is not alone, but he's not gone like he could have been.
00:31:49
David Reed
And Judy and Tillman, because mainly because of the trade, I thought Hunter was going to go to the Browns and be the wide receiver one there. Keeps these guys hopes alive. I'm not saying these are huge winners, but their hopes are are still up there.
00:32:02
David Reed
Any losers that you guys want to call out? Obviously, we talked about all the Bears pass catchers because it's just a crowded room. But any other major ones for you guys?
00:32:12
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, you were just hitting on running backs and how their value can disappear in a second. We have Ramondre Stevenson, and I feel like he was definitely a huge loser when they drafted Henderson. So it's one of those situations where you just hope that he can stay involved, but there's a chance that by the end of the year, he's just completely replaced when you know they put that type of draft capital into and another running back. So I feel like he's a ah pretty big loser. And then Sam Darnold, um, you know, I don't see him having the same year as he had last year anyways, but now, uh, there's even more pressure on him. So probably not, uh, an ideal draft for him either.
00:32:57
Joey
Yeah, I definitely have my concerns about Sam Darnold, to be honest. And it seems like the team ah probably shares a little bit of that concern, drafting a high draft capital quarterback.
00:33:09
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:33:13
Joey
And, um Yeah. um For me, you know, the whole rest of the Bears skill players, I would say, is ah it's probably the main one just from ah predictability standpoint. But I guess we'll see. I mean, maybe that offense will just dominate this year and all the all those guys can all eat.
00:33:33
Joey
But um it's tough to... it's and I guess two guys I'll speak to quickly. One, Jalen Warren, who's on my team. Yeah.
00:33:44
Joey
I feel like he wasn't that guy anyway, um if we're just being honest. I wasn't expecting him to carry the the whole load, um and he assuredly won't now with the addition of Caleb Johnson.
00:33:51
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:33:58
Joey
But, um you know, still... just addition of Caleb takes a little bit away from Jalen's value.
00:34:10
Joey
um But, you know, we'll see. I think he'll continue to be pretty much what he's been for the last however many years with Najee Harris, which is just volatile and he'll catch maybe two or three passes a game and get more volume when Caleb's hurt. And yeah, it'll be the same shit with him.
00:34:28
Joey
And Tank Dell, unfortunately for him, right? Like,
00:34:32
David Reed
So sorry.
00:34:33
Joey
Yeah, like, you know, it's it like a lot of it is just the fact that he's, you know, has terrible, has had terrible injury luck. But, you know, I feel like the team is telling us what they think about his long-term prospects ah by their um
00:34:50
Joey
drafting of, I think they drafted two ah Iowa State wide receivers.
00:34:52
David Reed
To Iowa State, yeah.
00:34:54
Joey
Yeah, so...
00:34:55
David Reed
no Noel and no Noel and Higgins.
00:34:58
Joey
Yeah, and Higgins. Yeah. So um unfortunate, it seems like ah if they were expecting Tank Dell to be Tank Dell again, although, frankly, calling a spade a spade, Tank Dell was never really himself again.
00:35:11
David Reed
poopy last year
00:35:12
Joey
Yeah. but After coming back from the last injury. But ah unfortunate. But yeah, I would say those those are my the guys that I would probably highlight.
00:35:21
David Reed
yeah last one nausea harris just no i don't think people are super comfortable but it seems like his value might disappear because you knew they would add someone you didn't you were hoping it wasn't go be a first round running back He was only on a one-year deal, i believe. So he should probably still be helpful this year, but he may need to find a new home again after this year. So we'll see.
00:35:45
David Reed
But yeah, with that, also one thing that didn't happen in the draft was that everyone thought the Cowboys were going to be drafting wide receiver because they got like no one after Lamb and they did not.
00:35:58
David Reed
But probably one of the bigger trades that happened the NFL post-traf was that they traded for Pickens with the Steelers there, which is a pretty huge trade for the Cowboys. So i want to see if you get your guys' thoughts on the trade. where do you think that means for the values, both on the Steelers' side and the Cowboys' side?
00:36:16
Joey
Yeah. um Jump in again as a ah DK McCaff owner. I'm ecstatic about it.
00:36:23
David Reed
Yeah.
00:36:24
Joey
for that i mean, he was likely to be moved. so um But I'm happy to see it actually happen because I think that there would have been quite
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00:36:34
Joey
a bit of a logjam there with both DK and Pickens. So um happy about it from a DK standpoint.
00:36:40
Joey
And... Pickens, it'll be interesting. I think he i think there's probably a little bit of fool's gold there. I think the ah promise of what he'll do in Dallas might be a little bit higher than the reality, slightly.
00:36:55
Joey
um But I also could end up with that guy on my face with that take and he could dominate.
00:36:59
David Reed
see
00:37:01
Joey
I know there's a lot of metrics out there about you know like the types of routes that he runs and the types of routes that Dak is best with and You know, it all kind of like aligns with the same shit that ah CD is best at. And, you know, obviously CD has been dominating. So he he could honestly be great.
00:37:19
Joey
But.
00:37:21
Ryan
Yeah, I think and think it's a really good landing spot for him.
00:37:21
Joey
but
00:37:24
Ryan
And think it was probably the the best you could hope for if he was going to get moved um and definitely helps Dak. Curious, you know, what do you think about CeeDee Lamb? Does that take away from him at all? Or do you think it's just a pure compliment that helps him?
00:37:41
David Reed
I think it's pure compliment that helps. And you need to, you can't throw 30 passes to Lamb as much as one would like.
00:37:46
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:47
David Reed
it's He's still going to get double digit targets a game, but Pickens, like what Joe was to talk about is that Dak Prescott, I think it was like number one or number two in like downfield passes and like accuracy, but didn't have like the weapons all for that.
00:38:00
David Reed
Pickens is like number one, number two in downfield receptions. And he has, I think he's got one of the, I saw a stat today. I forgot how many yards it was, but under 24 years old, having xxi amount of yards with like over 16 yards per catch. It's only him and like Randy Moss. He's not Randy Moss, but it's just talking about how he's like a big downfield stretcher and makes big plays down there. And when you, there was like another overlay of the routes that Pickens runs, it's all these deep ones on the, as an X receiver down the sidelines and,
00:38:31
David Reed
CeeDee Lamb runs a lot more in the middle of the field, so it's going to open up the defense for Lamb to catch a lot more easy passes because you have to respect it a lot more knowing that Pickens can get down the field and Dak can get him down the field.
00:38:44
David Reed
So I think it helps Lamb, especially with some run after catch too. So I think... Dak is probably the biggest winner there. The thing that will be interesting for Pickens Valley long term is that if he dominates, he's in the contract year. If he dominates this year, he's going to probably get a bag of money.
00:39:02
David Reed
And the Cowboys already paid Lamaton and they paid Dak a crazy amount. And I don't know how much more money they have. So he he probably is not going a Cowboy if after this year if he has a really good year, which would be kind of an interesting dynamic. You're excited,
00:39:15
David Reed
but If he does too good, it's gone. And you don't want to change it.
00:39:20
Joey
Yeah, that is a good point.
00:39:23
David Reed
So little double-edged sore there. And then from the opposite of the other side, it's just DK is just solidified, getting a ton targets. So it would have been kind of weird having just Pickens and DK just both on the sidelines just running straight routes because that's all they were going to do.
00:39:38
Joey
okay
00:39:39
Ryan
so
00:39:42
David Reed
But yeah, ah catching everyone up on that. But with all that, all that news that kind of unfolded there, finally getting to our own rookie drafts here. So this is the probably the most exciting part of Old Dynasty is the rookie draft.
00:39:55
David Reed
We did ours, i believe it was like two weeks or so after the NFL draft. Selfishly, I pushed like a week. You should do it earlier, but I was having my third son on the it was due date May 1st. I was like, yeah let's just push a little bit behind that.
00:40:08
David Reed
um But yeah, so we gave us everyone a little bit more news. But now that we had it figured it'd be kind of useful to run through the draft a little bit, run through the picks that we felt were interesting, some reaches, some surprises, good values, and also kind of give like evidence to anyone listening of like what a draft could have unfolded and our superf flights halfpoint ppr ti in tight end premium format.
00:40:31
David Reed
So with that, I figured first I'll just run through quickly what the first round was, and then you guys kind of just call out any players or picks that you really were a fan of. So in our first round, it's when Gentty, Hampton, then Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan, Ibuka, Trevion Henderson, Junkins, RJ Harvey at 109, then Warren,
00:40:53
David Reed
and warren Dart and Loveland to close things out at the 12th pick. So what are some of your thoughts or picks you want to kind of call out in that first round?
00:41:03
Ryan
I think if you just start at the top, it's interesting with the two running backs going before Cam Ward and a super flex, which, um you know, is similar to the year when Joe took Robinson number one overall. The next picks were Richardson, Bryce Young, and CJ Stroud.
00:41:19
Ryan
Obviously, hindsight is 20-20, but yeah, I mean...
00:41:21
David Reed
Worked out.
00:41:22
Joey
Mm-hmm.
00:41:23
Ryan
pretty Pretty sure Joe would still take that pick. So ah I think, you know, I think those are good picks. And even though it's super flex, I still would probably take the running backs over Cam Ward.
00:41:35
Ryan
Unless you're really, really sold that Cam Ward is, you know, 10 year superstar, but.
00:41:41
David Reed
Yeah, I mean, the the quarterback draft draft class and here was kind of viewed as a weaker one in general, and the running backs were, like, very elite. So, personally, think I would have gone Gentian Hampton as well over Ward, too. So, I agree with this pick. But it is interesting that you see quarterbacks propped up so much and in our draft. You see one draft in the third pick and the 11th pick as the top two first-round NFL quarterbacks that we had.
00:42:08
Joey
Yeah, and then for me, right, like the Harvey pick was one where i and it was like a everybody in our league will remember. I ah famously took like five, four to four to five hours to make the pick.
00:42:18
David Reed
Forever. Okay.
00:42:21
Joey
And honestly, like, I mean, I've done a lot of these slow drafts for the last like hour ah five, six years and maybe longer. And. a lot of times when I, when I'm dragging my feet, it's because I like, I open it and then I'm like, Hey, I'm undecided. And then I close it and I go about living my life for an hour or two. And then I go back and open it. And this time i was like on the phone, like just the entire, almost the entire time.
00:42:48
Joey
um trying to work out trade first. It was first. I was trying to work out a trade before the, um, the, the previous two picks were made to try and move up. Cause ideally I really wanted to grab one of the two Ohio state running backs.
00:43:03
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:43:04
Joey
Um, that didn't work out. And then I was in this position where like behind me, it was just the two tight ends who we talked, who I talked about earlier. I didn't want to just roll the dice on one of them dart who,
00:43:17
Joey
um I just made a big move last year to acquire a quarterback. Like I feel good about my quarterback situation and I really wanted to grab a running back. So then it was just spending hours debating whether or not to make the trade of that pick with team Clark for Kenneth Walker um or roll the dice on the, the, the, the young new hotness in RJ Harvey.
00:43:41
David Reed
Not that young.
00:43:43
Joey
Yeah. Yeah. I guess the thing I would ultimately ended up tipping, tipping the scales for me is like, and, and, and where I kind of like fit ah on Harvey at, even after the Dobbins acquisition,
00:43:45
David Reed
24 years old already.
00:43:57
Joey
again, Dobbins has, has one singular working leg. Like he was dead before going into last year. He had a couple like serviceable games at the beginning of last season. I still think he's completely toast.
00:44:11
Joey
And even with him there, and even if he has more juice in the tank, then I know for sure that he definitely does not. Um, if Harvey is, is like good and he really hits and he produces the same way that he produced in college, um,
00:44:26
Joey
It won't really matter.
00:44:27
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:44:27
Joey
um i like the touchdowns. The ballers always say that like touchdowns generally are a good predictor of future success in college. and Harvey had a shitload of touchdowns in college.
00:44:38
Joey
um and I like the thought of him being the potential pass-catching option in the Sean Payton offense.
00:44:44
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:44:46
Joey
so We'll see how it goes. But, you know, I feel i feel like ah that was my my one of my flaws in early early years of playing fantasy football was that I always just like maybe undisciplined, fun, you know, like pick that feels good at the time, but maybe is not like the there the right call for the long term.
00:45:06
Joey
And in this case, I yeah ah wanted to roll the dice with the new hotness and let's see if it works out.
00:45:14
Ryan
Yeah, I like Harvey um over Walker, so I would make the pick too.
00:45:18
Joey
Oh, all right.
00:45:19
Ryan
But but but for for the record, they are the same age.
00:45:19
Joey
Good. Nice.
00:45:22
Joey
Yeah. They seriously, I think they're like one or two months different.
00:45:25
Ryan
They're both 24. As crazy as that is.
00:45:27
Joey
Yeah.
00:45:27
David Reed
yeah
00:45:28
Joey
Yeah.
00:45:29
David Reed
Yeah.
00:45:29
Ryan
as as crazy as that is
00:45:29
Joey
So it it would have been an easier call if there were, there was only one tight end to pick from.
00:45:38
Joey
Like if it was only Tyler Warren or if it was only Colson Loveland, And maybe if Colt Komet didn't it fucking exist, like, like, I just, you know, like I, if there was only one tight end, i I probably would have taken him. But just the thought of like having to choose between those two. And that's basically a coin flip.
00:45:56
Joey
um And also, I frankly need running back help on my team more than anything.
00:46:00
David Reed
Yeah.
00:46:00
Joey
So.
00:46:01
David Reed
And to your point with ah the pass catcher, I mean, last year, Javante Williams, who stinks, couldn't do anything last year.
00:46:02
Ryan
you
00:46:09
David Reed
He had 70 targets for 52 receptions in Sean Payton's offense. And he's not nearly as explosive or the pass catcher that RJ Harvey at least projects to be.
00:46:22
David Reed
so And obviously, reception is always worth more than a rush. So you even if they're compliments, i think you're still going to get a lot of value out of Harvey. The only thing is that you were hoping to have a bigger workload it seems like it's not as guaranteed.
00:46:35
David Reed
It's not that it can't still happen Dobbins is hurt. It's just that there there seems to be another hurdle in the way. So that's the only thing that can kind of be
00:46:41
Joey
yeah
00:46:44
David Reed
sad there One question I had for you though, Joe, because the there was another running back. Obviously, you had Warren. Caleb Johnson was also on the board there, but getting two Steelers does probably doesn't make sense. But if you didn't have Warren, would you have gone Caleb there?
00:47:00
Joey
it definitely would have been a ah stronger consideration i think the fact that like I'm still in this position where I kind of like, kind of want and need Jalen to be serviceable for me.
00:47:14
Joey
ah Just, I just have like such poor what running back death that like, if there's an injury or anything like Jalen Warren's going right in.
00:47:22
David Reed
Yeah, he might be going in anyway.
00:47:23
Joey
And so, yeah. And so I just like, I'm not, ah I wasn't crazy about the idea of adding to Steelers running backs. And also I have DK, like,
00:47:35
David Reed
Yeah.
00:47:36
Joey
ah So I will say this. If Jalen Warren wasn't on my team and if the Ken Walker trade wasn't a possibility, then Caleb probably would have been the pick.
00:47:48
David Reed
yeah
00:47:49
Joey
Just because I i i was not and was not going with one of the tight ends.
00:47:49
David Reed
first
00:47:53
David Reed
I also think he's 20 or something as well. He's, he's like significantly younger than when he finishes his rookie contract, he will still be younger than RG.
00:48:04
Ryan
Thank you.
00:48:04
David Reed
ah But I, I mean, I like, I probably would, especially now here in like, in like having, post draft i probably have risen on caleb but a bit more even though he was a full round after rj harvey he was dropped in the third round in that full draft i like the spot he seems like a a good fit for that offense and he already wears those colors coming from iowa and that's a nice segue because he was the first pick of the second round which i thought was a pretty good value there But then leading after that in the second round, we had Matthew Golden, Luther Burden, Cam Scadaboo, Jaden Higgins. This is the run of the wide receivers. Higgins, then Harris, then Betch, or Beck, Betch, Betch, we'll see. Then Noel, and then we had a run of quarterbacks at 209 with Jalen Milrow, Sanders,
00:48:53
David Reed
Chuck and then finished it out with you blue the running back in Dallas so. And what are some of the calls in the second round, obviously I just mentioned Kayla Johnson feel free to put some an additional color if you agree with me or disagree, but what other players.
00:49:08
Ryan
I thought the quarterback run was interesting because you have Milrow going first out of the three, who's technically a backup, but you know, we just talked about how Sam Darnold, you know, might not be a long-term guy.
00:49:21
David Reed
And also rushes, which is what you want.
00:49:21
Ryan
Then you have Sanders.
00:49:23
David Reed
And that's the big thing.
00:49:24
Ryan
Yeah. Then you have Sanders who could be a starter could also be like the fourth option on his own team. And then you have Shuck, who's actually starter, but I just think stinks.
00:49:31
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:49:37
Ryan
So it was like an interesting three quarterbacks. If you wanted to pick a quarterback, which one you were going to pick. And I probably would have gone Milrow, but he was gone. So we took Sanders.
00:49:48
Ryan
But um yeah, I'm curious of Joe's thoughts there too, because you were obviously right in the middle of the picks.
00:49:49
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:49:56
Joey
Yeah, I mean, i i personally, i think I probably would...
00:50:04
Joey
I think it's kind of a coin flip for me between Milrow and Sanders, to be totally honest. And you might end up getting some value with Sanders because he he could easily end up being the starting quarterback this year, kind just given the situation that he's in and the fact that you know they did draft Dylan Gabriel, but...
00:50:24
Joey
Dylan Gabriel didn't go and in our rookie draft until like, you know, what, 25 picks later. So that's in any indication.
00:50:30
David Reed
Dylan Gabriel would still get ID'd at a bar. Like, this guy is so tiny.
00:50:33
Joey
Yeah.
00:50:35
David Reed
There's no way he's going to make it as a NFL quarterback.
00:50:37
Joey
Yeah.
00:50:38
David Reed
ah
00:50:38
Joey
Yeah.
00:50:39
David Reed
He's also not good.
00:50:39
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:40
David Reed
He's, like, not an accurate or – and he can't throw the ball deep.
00:50:42
Joey
No.
00:50:43
David Reed
It makes no sense.
00:50:44
Ryan
Yeah. Sanders at least has a shot. It's a long shot, but he at least has a shot. But I think all three of those quarterbacks, I feel like are worth taking in the back half of the second round. they could all hit. They could all be nothing.
00:50:58
David Reed
Yeah, I also like the upside of Melrose. I think, obviously, he has to improve some of his accuracy. He's actually incredibly accurate down the field, like deep throws. He's won the best in the entire class. I think he's better than Sanders and Dart and maybe more. He was like elite, Matt. just the middle the field and shorter throws better.
00:51:19
David Reed
pretty bad at, but he's one of the best rushers. So you got to expect Donald's going to potentially not be great at points and they may put Milrow in and he'll get points at his feet.
00:51:30
David Reed
And the upside there. that's what you're shooting for in the back half of the second round.
00:51:35
Joey
Yeah, that's i mean, like pretty much like if you're thinking about like players who might get opportunity, um it just feels like that feels like the ideal scenario to have the guy behind.
00:51:47
David Reed
Oh, yeah.
00:51:48
Joey
Yeah. So um also, I'll mention the Jaden blue pick just because I thought that it was a little early. um Well, we'll um mention uh bashal tootin in the third round um but in a lot of the rankings that i was looking at tootin was ahead of blue blue's a little undersized but i guess i guess i see the potential upside there just given the fact that dallas is running back situation is so wide open and if he is
00:52:03
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
00:52:24
Joey
if it If he does end up hitting in any capacity, he could be ah valuable guy to have, especially in passing game. But um yeah, that was just one other guy that I wanted to mention. I think for me, I probably would have leaned to more on the Tootin side, but um yeah.
00:52:41
David Reed
I was in agreement. i was tu was one of the guys i was second pick in the third round, so I was definitely eyeing this run that was coming up here. And Tootin went the pick right before me, but it's all right. There was another guy was I was eyeing that I ended up getting, which we'll get to. but And who knows? It's a crapshoot at this point, but I definitely lean Tootin a bit more. He had a higher draft capital and seems like a bit more explosive. But...
00:53:06
David Reed
You're picking hairs at this point here. Any thoughts on like the all the wide receivers in this round? There were six that went. So I don't know if there are any major call outs. Three in a row by the same team in our in our league, which I thought was funny. And it kind of knew about it because to me that was – those are the last three in a tier. And i was like, oh, just sweep them all off the board.
00:53:26
David Reed
Yeah.
00:53:28
Ryan
Yeah, I don't.
00:53:29
Joey
Yeah, I mean, those are the three guys we talked about earlier, too, that I'm just like, like one of them is bound to hit, right?
00:53:30
Ryan
Yeah.
00:53:31
David Reed
Yeah.
00:53:31
Ryan
yeah me
00:53:33
Joey
You know, like who?
00:53:34
David Reed
That's the hope, right?
00:53:36
Joey
Yeah.
00:53:37
Ryan
I think that's the interesting part is that one team took all three really versus them individually.
00:53:40
David Reed
Just to go home.
00:53:44
Ryan
But yeah, I mean, you would assume one will hit for him.
00:53:47
David Reed
Yeah. know But yeah, then moving into the the third round, we had Tudin start off round at 3.01 that we alluded to. Then it was Kyle Williams. Then it was Taylor for the Jets, Tyden Arroyo.
00:54:01
David Reed
Am I saying that right?
00:54:03
Joey
Dylan.
00:54:03
David Reed
Tyden for Seattle. Pat Bryant at wide receiver for Denver. Terrence Ferguson, who's the tight end for the Rams. Devin Neal. Samson, always forget his version. His is another Devin.
00:54:19
Joey
so and
00:54:20
David Reed
Dylan Samson. Dylan Royals. Fannin, the tight end for Cleveland. And then he got Will Howard, a quarterback. And then Ewers, or Ewers, or Ewers, whatever, who's now the backup, well, potential backup for Tua in Miami.
00:54:34
David Reed
So any major call outs in this round? This is when things start getting a little bit deeper in rookie drafts.
00:54:43
Joey
Yeah, no, looking over the picks right now. I mean, I think Quinn Ewers at the back end of the third in the situation he's in where two is always a, an injury liability is potentially decent value, but, um,
00:55:01
Joey
He also might stink. ah my money My money is on him actually being terrible. So um so i i haven I'm not a huge fan, but he might be on the field. Yeah.
00:55:12
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, he's behind Zach Wilson as a backup, so, you know, Zach Wilson stinks too.
00:55:13
Joey
Yeah.
00:55:17
Joey
yeah
00:55:17
David Reed
That's right.
00:55:18
Ryan
So I feel like that actually it was a solid pick.
00:55:19
Joey
yeah
00:55:22
Ryan
That's what I was going to say. ah the last pick of the third round, you're getting a quarterback that's behind a super injury-prone starter and a not good backup.
00:55:31
David Reed
And Zach Wilson.
00:55:33
Ryan
Yeah, that it's ideal.
00:55:34
David Reed
There's only one way to describe him, and it's name.
00:55:37
Ryan
Yeah. So I thought that was a pretty good pick.
00:55:42
David Reed
Yeah, I like some of the tight ends that actually went in this draft, especially the tight end Primo.
00:55:42
Ryan
But
00:55:47
David Reed
This is where I would start eyeing some of them. Taylor obviously seems like he's going to get ton of playing time immediately and potentially the second, maybe third passing target if you include Brees Hall but and with Garrett Wilson there.
00:56:02
David Reed
I like Ferguson a lot, actually, as well for the Rams, that tight end there. It seems like mcveig it's a McVay guy and he's very excited about him. He he was –
00:56:13
David Reed
when they do athletic testing at the combine, it doesn't really matter too much. It's, uh, except for tight ends, it really matters, uh, having a high res score because that's how you get explosive plays is that you just like a physical specimen. can get some yak and Terrace for Ferguson was the big riser based on that combine. He had a great combine there. So combine that with McVay's offense. I think that's a pretty sweet pick there.
00:56:35
David Reed
Um, One player I'll throw out was my pick there was Kyle Williams, more so because I do think he's solid player. got day two capital, the wide receiver room in New England stinks and is a mess there. Someone who drafted also wide receiver from the Patriots last year and may have talked about him a lot on the pod.
00:56:56
David Reed
I feel like Kyle Williams, he's
00:56:56
Joey
Hmm. Hmm.
00:56:59
David Reed
Looks like a very strong wide receiver coming out of college. And getting him in the third round because sleeper, this happens every single year. There's always one player for some reason. Their ADP is just buried down there. I think he would have gone earlier if it wasn't for that. But you just you had to actually scroll a search for him. It's been fixed since. So if you're drafting now, you're not going to get that value. But I did see that. So I was able to snag him the third. This happened with Tyron Tracy last year as well. Got him the fourth, just saying.
00:57:26
David Reed
Look for your guys. But don't know if you guys have any thoughts on Kyle Williams, if you know, pat me on the back at all or no, but nothing. Okay.
00:57:36
Joey
Good luck.
00:57:37
David Reed
I traded him. I already traded him, so it doesn't matter.
00:57:38
Ryan
Yeah, I going to say, he's not on your team.
00:57:39
Joey
Oh yeah, that's right. You did.
00:57:42
David Reed
But yeah, then ah going into the fourth and fifth round, i'm not going to read all the names here. This is when you start just taking your shot on players. ah Some leagues don't even have their fourth and fifth round. In fact, we actually just got rid of our a fifth round after this draft.
00:57:54
David Reed
So I was wondering which if there were any major values you saw here because there's no real bad picks. It's all potential upsets.
00:58:02
Ryan
I want to call out Schluter's pick, which was the last pick of the draft, because we were going to get rid of the fifth round, and he was adamant that he had this amazing fifth round pick that he was going to take.
00:58:13
Ryan
And he took Phil Maffa. Don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.
00:58:15
David Reed
That's right.
00:58:17
Ryan
But, ah you know, looking at the depth chart, he's behind Javante Williams, which we just heard Dave's thoughts on. Jaden Blue, which we just talked about was maybe a ah little bit early.
00:58:28
Ryan
And Miles Sanders, who probably stinks. So, you know, I'm curious to see if that works out for him.
00:58:32
Joey
Yeah.
00:58:33
David Reed
Yeah. And but see was he, was he Clemson?
00:58:35
Joey
And mate.
00:58:36
Ryan
It might. It might. He was Clemson, yeah.
00:58:37
David Reed
Yeah. Right. He's, yeah right he
00:58:39
Ryan
Yeah, he he was good at Clemson.
00:58:42
David Reed
Yeah, it's ah it's pretty – I mean, there was definitely some running back upside shots. I like the Hunter pick at 4-4 for the Rams. He they could maybe be the back of the Kyron Williams there. Who else was a pretty good one? Ollie Gordon potential complement to A-Chan at 4-0-2.
00:58:59
David Reed
And I mean, we're Syracuse guys, so with Quinn Allen and both – and also Gadsden, getting Gadsden the fourth and Allen in the fifth, I like those guys as well because think they have some juice.
00:59:11
Ryan
Yeah, I think Edson actually has some potential upside.
00:59:14
David Reed
He's been getting hyped a lot, actually. this life like Harbaugh has been talking about him and not saying that he could be potentially like a Darren Waller guy, but he he was a wide receiver converted to a tight end.
00:59:27
David Reed
Athletic freak, big catch radius, can do a lot of things. so wide receip i mean The tight end depth chart's not great there. Harbaugh doesn't throw a ton to the tight end, but you you're tied to Herbert, so you feel like they could find a way to get him the ball.
00:59:35
Ryan
Yeah.
00:59:42
Joey
Yeah, one guy I'll mention here, we're talking about, oh yeah, sorry, that's what I wanted to reinforce.
00:59:47
David Reed
That's Gadsden. Yeah.
00:59:49
Joey
yeah as i Sorry, as I was like looking at the rounds on Sleeper to see.
00:59:56
David Reed
On their phone.
00:59:58
Joey
Yeah, but they he's been getting a lot of hype, Gadsden.
01:00:01
David Reed
Yeah, a lot of hype.
01:00:03
Joey
So, and you know.
01:00:04
David Reed
I was hoping to get him and I was very disappointed that he went there. But i also knew with the amount of Syracuse fans in here that like there were too many people that knew him and
01:00:10
Ryan
yeah
01:00:12
Joey
Yeah.
01:00:12
Ryan
Syracuse was well represented in rounds four and five in our rookie draft.
01:00:16
David Reed
That's right. I was like, I'm getting Nova. I got him in like real deep in my other league because no one's paying attention. And then this one was like, damn it, he sniped already.
01:00:24
Joey
yeah
01:00:24
Ryan
yeah Yeah. And then I will say Dylan Gabriel, although he likely stinks, he did get the draft capital. So taking him that late in the rookie draft, not the worst thing.
01:00:37
David Reed
Also, uh, Savion Williams, uh, I don't have any hopes for this guy personally. He's a wide receiver for the Packers, but he's got third round draft capital.
01:00:44
Joey
yeah
01:00:44
Ryan
Thank you.
01:00:48
David Reed
Getting him at the 509, like that is like just crazy. Why not take the upset shot? These type of players generally don't work out and I'm like really out on them, but I easily have taken them at the 509.
01:01:00
Joey
Yeah.
01:01:02
David Reed
Also thoughts on, uh, Again, this is my pick, but I'm not trying to pander here just because we mentioned the run draft capital. Tesla got drafted at the 405. He had was drafted in the third round, but they also traded, i believe, like a third rounder for him. So he costed the Lions basically two third rounders to get this guy.
01:01:22
David Reed
He had like no production at all, but he's ah an absolute freak of an athlete. don't know if you guys believe or not or if i if so I'm just barking up the wrong tree here.
01:01:34
Joey
ah
01:01:35
Ryan
Like potentially, but the thing is there you have St. Brown, Williams and Laporta. So, you know, fourth option at best.
01:01:43
David Reed
Yeah.
01:01:44
Ryan
But, you know.
01:01:44
Joey
Yeah.
01:01:46
David Reed
You don't know.
01:01:46
Joey
A lot of mouths to feed. And I have like ah ah a like ah strong mental block sometimes with but things like, you know, just like people like his name.
01:01:59
David Reed
His name Tesla.
01:02:00
Joey
Tesla. Tesla.
01:02:01
David Reed
That's why.
01:02:02
Joey
tesla and Where I'm just like, there's no there's no way I'm drafting this guy just because like I get like uncomfortable just like looking at the spelling of his name.
01:02:03
David Reed
Yeah.
01:02:06
David Reed
Yep.
01:02:11
Joey
so there was like Honestly, I couldn't tell you one thing about him because i saw i i' still the way he spelled his name and I was like, this guy may as well be dead to me.
01:02:14
David Reed
A capital S is what throws me off in the middle of it.
01:02:17
David Reed
Like, why is that?
01:02:17
Ryan
Yeah.
01:02:22
David Reed
No way he's coming to my team.
01:02:27
David Reed
Well, ah with that, were there any – now that we've have ah like a little bit to kind of digest post-ro and rookie draft, were there any rookies that have kind of you've changed values either up or down from – from I kind of mentioned Caleb for me Johnson has has risen a bit since the the draft, but I'm curious if there are any players that, now that you're looking at the board, how things felt, that you would have kind changed the order in your mind.
01:02:53
Ryan
Not really too much for me. i feel like it's still too early to put ah ton into the camp hype. You know, there's there's a lot of hype going around, but, know, what's that really mean months from now?
01:03:01
Joey
Yeah.
01:03:06
Joey
Yeah.
Trading Strategies and High-Profile Trades
01:03:07
Joey
I think as I'm here looking at the board, ah yeah, I don't know. If I was Matt Rosinski, I think I would have i wouldve taken one of the Ohio State ohio state running backs instead of Iqbuka.
01:03:18
David Reed
um Yeah.
01:03:22
Joey
And then, you know, if he was going to take that whole trio of guys in the and the second round. But yeah, in terms of like overall
01:03:28
David Reed
Yeah.
01:03:30
Joey
ah draft capital, right? Like, I guess, you know, we'll see.
01:03:35
Ryan
and i Yeah.
01:03:36
Joey
Maybe Sluter getting Jackson Dart at the end of the first round will end up being the big steal of the draft.
01:03:41
David Reed
I do like that pick. that I'm excited about Dart, but I'm also a Giants fan, so it's hard for me to be unbiased about it.
01:03:49
Ryan
Also, ah am I reading it right that Matt took both of the tight ends at the end of the first round as well?
01:03:55
Joey
Yeah.
01:03:55
David Reed
He did. He did.
01:03:56
Ryan
Man, he just...
01:03:56
David Reed
He did do that.
01:03:56
Joey
Yeah.
01:03:57
Ryan
He loaded unloaded up.
01:03:57
David Reed
First of all, he had he had a lot of picks, and he's just taking shots everywhere.
01:03:59
Ryan
Yeah, seriously.
01:04:01
Joey
He's casting a wide net. It's like that guy that you see go up to the roulette table and just put like a fucking chip on every single number.
01:04:03
David Reed
Yeah.
01:04:08
David Reed
Yeah. Which you're like, there's no way that you're going to make money doing that.
01:04:08
Ryan
Something is there.
01:04:11
David Reed
Like, you're definitely – there's no scenario where that makes money, but sure.
01:04:12
Joey
Yeah.
01:04:14
Joey
yeah
01:04:15
David Reed
Someone's going to hit.
01:04:15
Ryan
Something is going to hit, though.
01:04:19
David Reed
Yeah, he had a lot of bolts in the chamber in that draft. But yeah, and in general, the only thing, it's not really a player. It's just that i there were i wasn't as excited about the high-end wide receiver talent in this class, but there was a lot of depth in I do think like – obviously, Matt, you're just hoping for it second round.
01:04:36
David Reed
But I did think a lot of good talent in second round, like Golden, Burden, Higgins, Harris, Betch, Noel, even Royals later on in the third round.
01:04:45
Joey
Yeah.
01:04:46
David Reed
I think those are all like solid guys. Forden I like a lot. Actually, i didn't mention that in the fourth round. So there's actually a lot of depth pieces that I could – I think like a year from now there might be some interesting players that come there. So – I wouldn't change the order too much, but just in general, like my overall opinion of the class is little bit better.
01:05:05
David Reed
Oh, Oh, 100%.
01:05:06
Joey
Yeah.
01:05:06
David Reed
Tesla?
01:05:07
Joey
and It'll be interesting to see which guy that we didn't even talk about on this draft turns into the next Puka Nakua.
01:05:07
David Reed
Tesla?
01:05:14
David Reed
ahla
01:05:15
Joey
Maybe Tesla.
01:05:18
David Reed
We'll see. But with that, I want to just kind of jump in. So there were obviously, like, in our draft, there's tons of trades going on, just getting different positions, trying to try and get your guy. But there was one trade that was quite the blockbuster that I feel like it it requires us talking about. I want to get your guys' thoughts on it.
01:05:37
David Reed
And, again, it was Clark Shaw, so kind of shout out to those guys that worked with them with one of the bigger trades that we've made, probably since your guys' Hertz and McBride trade. but similar kind of concept there but uh the trade was uh i get traded away cd lamb tj hawkinson anthony richardson kyle williams and a 2026 second round pick and i got and they traded me brock bowers jerry judy and caleb williams so uh a lot going on there a lot of big names lost star power um
01:06:14
David Reed
um Again, tight end premium, but want to get your guys' thoughts on both sides of that trade there.
01:06:20
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, this was obviously a huge trade. Definitely interesting. I've gone a little back and forth. I would prefer your side, Dave. I would rather have Bowers, Judy, and Caleb Williams.
01:06:34
Ryan
I do think Williams can still be that guy. Brock Bowers, obviously, we've talked about today is, you know, the number one tight end. And Judy has definitely potential.
01:06:45
Ryan
um the other side, CeeDee Lamb, obviously superstar.
01:06:46
David Reed
Thank you.
01:06:48
Ryan
I do think Hawkinson could have a resurgence if JJ McCarthy is good. So I could see him being more valuable than he is right now. But Anthony Richards said I'm just completely out on um and I mean, you were just hyping up Kyle Williams, but I wouldn't say I'm there yet. So I would take your side of the trade, but i think it was a huge trade. And i I would say it was decently fair and kind of just depends on a few small things on which side is going to win.
01:07:19
Joey
Yeah, that's I mean, the big question really in this whole deal is what does Caleb Williams become?
01:07:26
David Reed
Mm-hmm.
01:07:27
Joey
And, um you know, because I think that. It's probably if you if you if you do the, you know, choose your own adventure where Caleb just has a lot of seasons, like his first, like his rookie season, and he doesn't really take the next step, then Clarksauce wins the trade for sure.
01:07:48
Joey
Because I really do, like, obviously, Lamb is a huge value. We talked earlier about I'd probably rather draft Lamb than Bowers in a startup right now.
01:07:55
David Reed
Yep, 100%.
01:07:56
Joey
And, you know, Hawkinson, right? Like, Hawkins is still a good player. and But again, question marks there too, right? For Hawkinson's value to be anything right now. He needs McCarthy to be something. And he also is like, what, the third option at best in that offense.
01:08:14
Joey
It's in the pecking order at least. um So I think that tons of questions. um Bowers and Lamb are like the main kind of sure things.
01:08:24
Joey
And we talked about them earlier. They're like... they're very similar slash interchangeable in terms of where they're going in startups right now. So, um, yeah, I, I, I understand and I support the move, um, from each side and, uh, it will be really interesting to see how it plays out and, you know, it'll be fun to see Dave, um,
01:08:37
Ryan
Thank you.
01:08:53
Joey
sweating and riding and dying by another one of these first round, first overall quarterbacks that may or may not ever pan out.
01:08:54
David Reed
Yeah, yeah
01:09:02
Joey
We will see.
01:09:03
David Reed
I mean, I'm just happy I'm off the Anthony Richardson ride. That seems to be like the favorite the best part of the...
01:09:07
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, that that definitely did not pan out. so
01:09:11
David Reed
No, I mean, i think it's a huge trade. And I think, Joe, I texted you like the day before it went down because it took a little while to finally get accepted. that like I had like a trade that was like completely franchise altering direction for me.
01:09:26
David Reed
um I mean, I like the Bowers and my wide receivers on D-pad, but obviously I don't have an elite guy now that Lamb's gone, but I also need an upgraded quarterback. And i I knew Lamb was going to be the thing that could get the conversations going there, but I'm not also trading Lamb for Caleb. That's like insane to me.
01:09:44
David Reed
So I'm just happy because for all people know, Anthony Richon was my second quarterback, and that is scary to to rely on that.
01:09:52
Joey
Just a little bit.
01:09:53
David Reed
So I'm happy that I don't have to. Where the other team, Clarice House, they have – Anthony Richon their third. They're pretty loaded. They've got May and Burrow. locked down there. So they're in good shape.
01:10:02
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:02
David Reed
They needed a high and wide receiver. That something they've been looking for for a while. They finally got it. They're actually looking like one of the stronger teams for the title this year. So I think it helped them out a lot as well.
01:10:15
David Reed
So I think it worked for both teams based on where they were and what they were trying to get done. Makes me nervous though.
01:10:21
Ryan
yeah
01:10:22
David Reed
Not going lie.
01:10:22
Ryan
yeah I was going to say that I do think it works for Clark sauce and I am scared of their team this year. I do think they could be one of the top teams, so it could work for both of you. I think it goes back to that conversation we had at the start of, are you taking lamb or Bowers first? And does that tight end premium matter to you? And like we talked about, Dave and I are about to find out, so we'll, we'll see. Yeah.
01:10:47
David Reed
We shall see. Sorry, Travis Hunter is going to be elite. ah I got the stack. But any ah any party thoughts? Thank you for the thoughts on the trade. I don't feel any better or worse, but it's okay.
Closing Thoughts and Future Podcast Plans
01:11:01
Ryan
It's good to be back. Looking forward to getting closer to the season, getting a little more regular with the podcasting and hope everyone's having a good summer.
01:11:10
David Reed
Yes, wasn't too bad, right? You did okay.
01:11:12
Joey
Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what, Dave, in the show doc, you have ah You have our checkpoint at 71 minutes, and right now we are at 71 minutes.
01:11:15
David Reed
Nailed it.
01:11:16
Ryan
Yeah, I was watching that.
01:11:21
Joey
So six months later, we are in mid-season form.
01:11:22
David Reed
Yeah.
01:11:25
David Reed
Might even to say improved. I think I usually sucked at the timing before.
01:11:26
Joey
Okay.
01:11:26
Ryan
Yeah, we usually go way over, so we're we're in good shape.
01:11:31
David Reed
Our biggest criticism was it always went way too long. And you're listening. I have to produce this after we record this. Think about how long this is. ah But with that, start staying on path.
01:11:42
David Reed
Thank you all for ah for listening and have a great off season. Hopefully make some more trades and and good luck with your teams.
01:11:50
Ryan
Yes.
01:11:50
Joey
Bye, guys.