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David Reed: We are back! Welcome to the NSFW Dynasty podcast. It's been a minute. How are you guys doing?
Ryan: Doing good. Little six month hiatus, but we're back and ready to talk some football.
Joey: Yeah, this will be this will be a fun one. ah There may be some some some hiccups, some some stumbles, some you know not remembering guys' names. It's been the offseason. We haven't podcasted in a while, but try to stay as plugged in as possible and hopefully going to give you guys a good pod right now.
David Reed: Yeah. Just to show how much has changed since the last podcast, I am now a father of three. So if that was not the case back when we podcast what was around Christmas time. So a lot has changed. A lot has changed. Don't need to get into all the things in the world that's changed, but let's just say a lot has changed since our last podcast. So yeah, we'll see. We've dusted off the mic and we are ready to roll.
David Reed: But you know what? Let's just kick it off. Let's jump right into it. So one thing I'd I've been reading Reddit. I know it's off season and there isn't a lot to do, but I can't, I can't not keep going on Reddit trying to find content. And what I've been starting to realize is that there's been a growing sense of having a lot more tight end premium leagues in Dynasty. And I get that like now Superflex is kind of the standard first, like maybe 10 years ago, was always one QB, but Titan premium in super flex, it all makes having more players more valuable in the universe. And that makes trades more fun. It makes more players you can start in the roster universe. So with Titan premium growing, I'm very interested to see how that kind of changes maybe your guys' strategy. and And just for the listeners, anyone who isn't positive how Titan premium works, Titan premium gives you more points per reception for the Titan position. So for us in our league, we're a half point per reception.
David Reed: And but ah for wide receivers running backs, they all get a half point every time they catch a ball. But tight ends actually get a full point. so we get instead of just the half point, they get an extra sure half point on top of that to one. Some leagues boost it even further. They may give a full extra one point. So it could be one and a half point per reception. But the whole concept is,
David Reed: Tight ends were kind of an afterthought before. Now it really boosts up or make them a lot more valuable. You can flex them now. But there's some certain tight ends that really get a massive boost because of this premium for the um position. So Joe and Rai, what do you guys think? How does this change your strategy in either a startup draft or when you're you're making trades?
Ryan: Yeah, so I think I could talk about this from a few different angles, and Joe is great to have on here because we just made a huge trade for ah tight end. So I'll say when we did the startup draft two years ago, it was my first time doing Superflex, Dynasty, and Tight End Premium. So...
Ryan: I did not place any additional value on the tight end spot at the time. I figured it was like redraft where it was just one roster spot. You plug a guy in a couple guys will have a top tight end. You just grab someone put them in.
Ryan: And we didn't draft a tight end until round 13. I think Mike just Saki, if I remember correctly, but I feel like it did hurt our team and we've,
Ryan: made the playoffs both years. We've been one of the top teams, but I feel like a solid tight end would have put us over the top had we focused on it in the startup draft. So, you know, we had a lot of weeks where,
Ryan: we'd have three, four weeks in a row where we're just praying for five points from our tight end because we didn't draft one. So I feel like that point per reception does make them valuable and can make quite a difference. So if I could do it over again, i would definitely prioritize a tight end over some midway range wide receivers. I feel like there's a lot of mid range guys that you can get. Some are going hit, some are going to miss, but having a solid tight end really can boost your team. So,
Ryan: I do think it makes quite a bit of a difference now i'm probably would place more value on it.
Joey: So for me, um I think that beyond the first probably or the top probably two guys, i think that ah probably I I try to maybe fall somewhere in between the two – um mentalities that you guys took, which is, you know, like waiting until around 13 and then, you know, like securing one of the top guys. Like I obviously was willing to part with one of the top guys in that move that we made in exchange for a quarterback, which I think is a slightly valuable, but more valuable position, even in spite of the premium.
Joey: But um I guess my thinking is the tight end position is so volatile to begin with. And a lot of these guys beyond the top two or three are so unreliable when it comes to weekly production that even if you have a guy like, you know, well, last year, maybe someone like Mark Andrews or David and Joku, like,
Joey: They are giving you good numbers some weeks and they're not giving you, you know, kind of like duds other weeks. So and in my head, i want to have somebody who is going to get something in the four to six reception range a game if possible.
Joey: Right. Like try to secure, like you said, a nice like five point baseline and then anything above that. is gravy. If we get like ah a touchdown, if you get like 50 or 60 yards, great, right? Like you're not going to get killed and the on the position if you are setting a nice like five to 10 point baseline, as long as you're not facing Bowers or McBride.
Joey: And frankly, only two people in the league are going to have Bowers or McBride or Kittle, I guess, right? So the three of them this year, I'll put Kittle with them. So in my estimation, um and we'll see,
Joey: you know like I've had McBride in retrospect after moving him. ah still um' happy with the move even though he's he is a true game changer at the position in a PPR because he gets an absurd amount of ah target volume.
Joey: um But yeah, I mean like I i think mike my personal take is I probably value – I probably still value – I would probably – between the three of us, my sense is that I would probably – be willing to take more wide receivers early in a startup before getting to those top tight ends than relative to you guys.
Joey: And I guess we'll do that exercise and we'll see, but yeah.
David Reed: Yeah, we'll do that in a second. But and I'll probably, i think my thinking is ah similar initially with yours, Joe, but I do think the elites do give you such an edge. So, cause I do think when you're doing tight end premium, that applies to all tight ends.
David Reed: So all tight ends are getting a boost and it's kind of that rising tide rises raises all ships type of mentality. So all tight ends are more valuable in there. So once you get past like the elite tier,
Joey: Thank
David Reed: to me, kind of, I guess Joe's mentality is like, it doesn't really make a that big of a difference with that. As long as they're getting some level about of volume, they'll be okay. So I'm not going to pay up once you get past like tight end, don't know, five or six.
David Reed: um But I will say the elite guys, i and I'm someone who recently made a trade for one of the top tight ends too. We'll get to that later in the pod. But I do put ah added value there because they really are a huge difference maker if they are the number one or number two target on their team, kind of like the Bowers, the McBride, the Kittle, because they get so much volume and they're so safe and you're getting a massive boost there. And the way when I'm doing roster construction, too, if I can get a a competitive edge at any position, a that can put your team over top if everything else hits. And obviously, if you have one of the top two tight ends, you have a huge ah edge over everyone except for one other team on in the league right now.
David Reed: But that also... kind of, um, makes up for any deficits deficits you might have in other positions. So you can figure things out and wide receiver there. It's so deep and obviously having the elite guys is super, like insanely valuable, but there's only so many elite wide receivers and there's a lot in the middle. If I can figure out the middle, like I have a lot more,
David Reed: leeway kind of fingering out my wide receiver corpse now because my tight end gives me such a huge boost. I'm going to be beating the other teams by so much that my title my wide receivers are just average. I'm still probably going win that week.
David Reed: So that's kind of where i'm I'm leveling out there. But again, I only put the added value on the elite, elite tight ends.
Ryan: Yeah, and I'm similar. Obviously, Dave and I just traded for two of the top tight ends, so we're going to kind of be on the same side here.
David Reed: Yeah. When you said that if you have McBride, that's us. That's us.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah.
Joey: Okay.
Ryan: So we're a little ah biased, but yeah, I just feel like it gives you such an advantage to have that guy in that position that has a chance to outscore the other team by 10, 15 points every week ah if they really don't have a tight end, whereas those mid-range wide receivers –
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: everyone's midway range wide receivers are going to go off some weeks and not others. So it's like not as big of a competitive advantage, but obviously we'll see how it plays out this year. Cause Dave and I just, just got them.
David Reed: yeah
Ryan: So yeah,
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, one one thing I would say is like in Dynasty, in a Tynad Premium Dynasty,
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: it it It guarantees that you you have to care for the position in a in a thoughtful way that you don't have to in any redraft format or any non-tight end premium Dynasty format.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: right like In redraft, you can just pick up whatever schmuck is on the wire and like any week and plug them in there.
David Reed: you
Ryan: Yeah, exactly.
Joey: In Dynasty, like ah kind of goes like what I was saying earlier, it's like a really important thing to emphasize, which is... like If you don't have one of the top guys, but you have a guy who's who's bringing in like three to five catches a game, you're all right.
Joey: But if you have a guy like Ryan was saying, who is not who's barely getting any targets and you're just hoping for like one or two catches for a touchdown every week, which is a lot of tight ends, you're in a terrible position.
Ryan: We had no one. Yeah.
Joey: Like you there's there's probably like six to eight guys you can rely on for.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: a handful of targets and a week at the tight end position. And like, you gotta, you gotta make sure you get one. So I think that is probably like an important thing to caveat with my mentality, which is like, you know, you can't just pump the position entirely.
Ryan: yeah Yeah, exactly. You don't have to have a top guy, but you got to have someone that's going to get some targets every game. Otherwise, you're just at such a disadvantage.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: Yeah, absolutely. Um, and I thought it'd interesting to kind of run this exercise. I posted it on Reddit a month or so back and I got a lot of responses. I thought it was kind of an interesting exercise, but, um, and we're really going to kind of leave this just the Bowers McBride and probably Kittle. Uh, I know Laporta just on age might sneak in in there, but it's not like actual production. I think we're going to put him in a tier below them.
David Reed: Um, and I think the ranks for me is probably goes Bowers McBride Kittle. Um, in production, but of those guys in the startup draft, what wide receivers are you actually going to draft before them, before you actually pull the trigger on tight end?
David Reed: So I'm going to pull up quickly some of the ah wide receiver rankings for dynasty and go down the line. You guys tell me when you would slot in one of those tight ends and which tight end you'd slide in, or you start considering making that move there. So I'm going to start out now with ah Joe's top boy, Jamar chase. I think we're all taking him.
David Reed: Justin Jefferson, we're going to take him. Uh, actually you got Malik neighbors here, three of them in this rank. Cause I'm looking at, would you go, uh, neighbors or any of the tight ends there?
Joey: Neighbors for me.
Ryan: I'm after chase and Jefferson. I'm seriously considering one of the top tight ends. I did a little research and Bowers had 264 fancy points last year, which would have put them as the number three wide receiver on the season.
Ryan: and chase had 353 points because he had an insane season with three weeks over 40, but McBride had 249, which would have made him wide receiver four.
David Reed: yeah He doesn't count.
Ryan: So I feel like they're right up there. Like you got the chase, the Jeffersons, maybe like a lamb or a neighbors but i've been starting to consider them right right around there
David Reed: Yeah, I mean, I personally have Lamb at wide receiver three in my rank, so I would go definitely Lamb, Jefferson, Chase first. I'm a Giants fan. I would start – looking at Bowers and McBride, but I don't think I'd pull the trigger on them over neighbors yet.
David Reed: But in my queue, would start popping those guys at that point. What about ah Puka Nakua or Brian Thomas Jr. or Amon Rah?
Ryan: I personally would probably take one of the tight ends.
David Reed: Probably.
Joey: Bowers would be in play for me versus those guys. I still think Brown I would take. would i would take i I think that that might be the the the break for me.
Joey: After Amun-Ra, I would probably take Bowers, but I would rather have Nakua, Thomas, Nico Collins. um That's probably where... And then then another break right there where where then I would insert Trey McBride.
Joey: So for me...
David Reed: It was like the Drake London's and Marvin Harrison's of it.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah like i Because I just... I guess... And maybe it's to a fault of of mine. Like, I guess I feel like Bowers probably has a higher ceiling than McBride, just given that...
Joey: I mean, McBride is great, and he's always open.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: um But he...
David Reed: He didn't have any touchdowns and he still was that good.
Joey: he ah Yeah. um he He also...
Ryan: positive Positive regression is coming for those.
David Reed: For sure.
Joey: Yeah, for sure.
David Reed: sir
Joey: And it very well may. But, like... um Yeah, I don't know. I just don't know if like the ideal state for that offense is for him to be getting 13 or whatever targets game. Marvin Harrison kind of had a weird season. and um So I don't know. I also think like if in my estimation, like part of the reason why I was OK trading him was because in my head I was like, well, this is probably like the most the the highest he'll ever produce in his career.
Joey: And I very, very easily could be wrong. But that's just kind of like my logic in choosing to take those two or three receivers over him.
David Reed: Yeah, I would probably still go nikua and maybe Brian Thomas. Nico, I'm like, I'm iffy on. I have some reservations about the Texans offense. I i don't like i know people like Cesar Shaw being ah a cell cannon is kind of like the trendy thing to do. But just in general, and he has like arm soreness and like the lines kind of stinks. And a feeling like that kind of organization kind of stinks.
David Reed: So that's the only reason why I might go Bowers over Nico there. But Brian Thompson and Puka would probably do it, but Amun-Ra is, I think, the round one I would might probably maybe pull Bowers over Amun-Ra there.
Ryan: I will say it's interesting that even Joe, like all three of us have these tight ends that high because and looked back at our startup draft and only two tight ends went in the first three rounds of the whole draft. Like wide receivers like Cooper Cup and Devontae Smith were going before the second, third tight end. So it's like back, you know, I feel like there's been a lot of really good young tight ends. And I feel like that's kind of changed people's thinking as well.
Ryan: Cause clearly two years ago, we didn't draft the way that we're talking right now.
David Reed: Also the youth on these sides of these tight ends is what happened because like Bowers was in the league of when we did that job and McBride was horrendous rookie season.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: He didn't start picking up until midway through his sophomore season and turned it to
Joey: Yeah, but I mean that even just like to to like aggregate the two points that you guys are just making there, like the age of of tight ends, it used to take them like a couple of years to hit.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: We used to say like rookie tight ends, they just like, you know, you sit them on the bench for a year or two. And it's been like a change over the last two or three years where these guys are coming out and they're like good right away.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: Totally, totally like shift and dynamic and how it used to be.
David Reed: And tight ends also can play like into their mid thirties.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Like most tight ends, like their life cycle goes that far into like at least the early thirties. So like you're getting like a good 10 years out of their wide receivers. They start hitting a cliff around like age 28 to 30 range. Maybe when start seeing them down, when they get to like 31, even the elites, we've been seeing it with a couple of guys this past year, 31, 32, they'll drop off. Tight ends are still going to be good at like 31, 32.
David Reed: So you do get a nice ah longevity with the the position as well.
Ryan: Thank you.
David Reed: There's just bigger tight ends. Bodies are just like bigger and stronger. And I think that might be part of it. They're just like the biggest freaking nature athletes I feel like on the field.
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: Except Bowers doesn't look like it.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: But he is but he is. Kittle probably goes down a bit just on age, but I think we could all admit if you have Kittle on your roster, you feel really good about it.
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: but But with that, yeah and that was a fun exercise. Thank you for entertaining me there. But moving on to the next segment, we have some things. we just want to catch everybody up on some of those ah kind of old news. But the NFL draft did happen a couple months ago. And just kind of want to discuss if there were any, like, surprises for the draft for you guys. Obviously, the biggest one that everyone's talked about ad nauseum was Shador Sanders falling all the way to the fifth round. The Browns finally took him after already taking another quarterback and doing it.
David Reed: who was it Dylan Gabriel in the third round, who also Dylan Gabriel in the third round in a vacuum is a horrendous pick. So I can't believe they did that, a little over Sanders.
Joey: Mm-hmm.
David Reed: But were there any other surprises or notable picks that kind of stuck out to you guys?
Ryan: I think that the Jags trading, um you know, and drafting Travis Hunter was, i don't know if you would say it was a huge surprise, but I think it's pretty interesting when you're talking about Brian Thomas Jr. and now having trannis Travis Hunter there as well. And, you know, of course we got Dave's boy, Trevor Lawrence there.
Ryan: Got to find a way to throw him in here.
David Reed: he's on the up and up, it up and up there, man. It's going to be easier.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: Also ah just for that trade, that's a trade you make for a quarterback. And they, they did this for a wide receiver slash DB. Part of that makes me think he has to play wide receiver. You don't do that for just a quarterback. You need, you do that for an offensive weapon, which is why I have more confidence personally in Travis Hunter, but from a dynasty perspective, I should say, but that, that was,
David Reed: A very surprising trait, especially because there's like nothing about it leading up to the moment and then just a ah godfather offer.
Ryan: Yeah, it's just an interesting trade because they literally have Brian Thomas Jr., who is a young stud wide receiver. you go in make that trade for Travis Hunter, who's not even sure which position he's going to play.
Ryan: don't know.
David Reed: He's great.
Ryan: We'll see how it works out, but it's definitely an interesting trade.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah. Well, I mean, early indications from many camps are that he's going to play both positions very well. There's already been highlights of him on both sides of the ball.
David Reed: Oh, yeah. His ball
Joey: So that is ah from that perspective, it's aging well in the early stages. so um I mean, I like I i support just going up and and getting a guy that you're that you want.
Ryan: Do you think if he, yeah
Joey: So.
David Reed: it It can break roster construction, too. Because if you think about the capital and, like, ros and you can you get this an extra roster spot that you can use for any other position. And even if you give him, like,
David Reed: I don't know, 40 million a year. Top wide receivers are making like 35, 40 million, but you're getting two positions. spell That's like worth it when you look at your cap.
Ryan: if it works out and he plays both ways, it's worth it for sure. Do you, really think he can full-time play both positions in the NFL.
David Reed: We'll say, i mean yeah, I don't know.
Joey: No. Well, can he? He may. The longevity is going to be a severe like obstacle to that, right? like Staying healthy and only playing half the game is hard enough for these guys.
Ryan: Right.
Joey: But like I think that they'll use him as a weapon, like as much of a like a weapon as you can utilize on defense. But like on big plays or in certain circumstances where um you know, they need like a big stop or it's like fourth quarter or some like some like number one receivers going off like he could he could easily get series on defense.
Joey: And, you know, that would be an interesting dynamic, something that like we really just haven't seen, which is like, oh, this wide receiver is just going to go out and play DB for a series and lock this guy down. So it'll be interesting to see how that actually happens.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah, it'll be the one thing that works somewhat in his favor from a longevity standpoint is feel like cornerbacks and wide receivers, if played a certain way, can take the least amount of hits of most positions out there.
David Reed: Wide receivers, it depends on what you do with the ball after catching how you play. protect yourself. Cornerbacks, they're not involved in a ton of plays from like getting hit standpoint, especially if you're a shut down corner. like They're not just not throwing the ball your way. so that Maybe that can help, but it it's still total task.
Joey: Thank
David Reed: I'm not bug betting that it's going to work out long term.
David Reed: But aside from that, couple other quick hitters. I mean, Colson Loveland was the first tight end over Warren, which is not a huge surprise, but some people thought that. But just seeing that Colt Loveland went to the Bears at 10 and Warren 14 through Colts.
David Reed: Mecca at Buka, I think, to the Bucs was probably one of the more surprising picks at number 19. Not that it's a bad pick, it's just that i don't think people thought the Bucs were going to grab a wide receiver, especially let alone one in the first round.
David Reed: And people were excited for a Bucca, but now it seems like you might have to wait little bit. But that one kind of caught me by surprise. And obviously the Giants trading back to the first and getting Jackson Dart was – some people kind of – we kind of all thought it a little bit, but didn't think it was actually going to happen. And then when it happened – I'm a little excited. I'm not going to lie.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: I feel like it's a great move to filled excitement.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Ryan: I mean, it's not, you didn't give up a ton to take a chance. Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah, two-thirds. One was a free one we got this year anyway. So and we didn't even so the Giants got a compensatory pick in the third round, which we didn't even think we were going to get. We thought maybe a fifth rounder. So that was like a gift from the NFL to give us ammo to get Dart, which was nice.
Joey: Yeah. I thought i thought that um the Loveland pick by Chicago was... interesting although i mean like new regime in there so like i'm not totally shocked that um you know Ben Johnson comes in and like has the direction he wants to go, and far be it from me to question like there that decision-making. But you know they just signed Colcomet recently, and they have a lot of weapons on offense.
Joey: But, I mean, for what it's worth, they did load up ah the offensive line in free agency and and whatnot as well.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: So you know maybe they just thought... We're pretty much where we need to be in the trenches, ah offense and defense. So let's just take another weapon. I don't know. It was questionable, and obviously it creates a little bit of a clusterfuck for trying to figure out who's going to get the ball for fantasy.
Joey: But, ah you know, I think I'm taking the same approach from a fantasy standpoint with both Loveland and Warren, which is just... waiting to see how they actually look and how they're actually utilized before I decide to overpay. It just feels like too much of a dice roll at this point.
Joey: You know, like I feel like we're, we were just talking about it.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Like tight ends have been hot lately, like like these young tight ends and it's like kind of the new hotness, but we have, a long, long history of tight ends taking longer to come to speed and not always being ah as likely to hit even the big, guy even the big name guys.
Joey: So I, I personally wasn't willing to take the risk. We'll obviously talk about like draft, like early rookie draft selections later on. um But that's not to say that they're not both going to be great. And maybe even as soon as this year.
Joey: So,
David Reed: Yeah, yeah. there The Bears, obviously, they got Burden in the second round, and and like heard that that makes a whole mess for, like, Komet, DJ Moore, and Roman Duse.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: Just loading it up on offense.
David Reed: So kind of – I put them all – you kind of have to give Loveland the winner just from Josh Capital, but I think all the weapons there – it's – I wouldn't call them losers, but someone's going to be a loser.
David Reed: it's It's just that you know there's going to be a loser and you don't know which one is going to be yet. But, yeah. Any other notable rookies you would want to call out? I do want to say Gentty. I've got sixth overall, which is huge for running back. But any other major rookies want to call out? I think there were a couple of later ones in the second, maybe third round.
Joey: oh
Joey: no i'm you know like i haven't i didn't do like a ton of diligence on this on these like this mid-round uh pack of mit like this mid second round draft capital pack of wide receivers um Jack Besch and Jaden Higgins and Trey Harris and some of these guys who, you know, like from everything that I've been listening to and reading, like some, one, likely more than one, maybe all will end up being a hit.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: And they're all in pretty decent landing spots. But um yeah, I'm kind of interested to see how these guys um fit and how much they're utilized. I think like the Trey Harris one definitely intrigues me just from a fit standpoint and necessity for an additional wide receiver in that offense. And so that's, that's, those are, it was nice to see, yeah you know, from a, from a dynasty standpoint, gave us a lot of nice options for the,
Joey: mid to late, you know, late first round, early second round, mid second round, uh, high draft capital wide receivers to roll the dice on.
David Reed: higgins is like a size speed uh freak uh that gets paired up with another size speed freaking nico collins so that could be a dangerous combo over there um i know omar and hampton actually getting the first round draft capital was uh starting to get buzz late right before the draft and it actually come through is pretty big i should obviously mention cam ward going one overall to tie-ins rg harvey little bit earlier than I think most people predicted to a pretty decent landed spot that just got downgraded a bit because the JK Dobbins news, but still think he has pretty good value there. And Tyler, it was Tyler Shuck, right? Second round pick.
David Reed: I don't think many people expected that to same thing again because of the Sanders fall, but that I thought that was an interesting spot.
Joey: yeah I wonder if and I wonder if in retrospect they like actually like Chuck better than Sanders I don't know or
David Reed: But with that, any other and
David Reed: Yeah, Shuck has a lot of good skills, but again, like he was getting hype, but that still was a surprise going second round over that.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: But he's also super old. I believe i think he is the last player to ever be drafted that was born before 2000, which makes us all feel old.
Joey: Nice.
Ryan: and really
David Reed: Every player will be 2000, their birthday 2000. Crazy. crazy
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: um I know. Well, talking about old guys, with the draft, there's obviously some veteran winners and losers.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: what Were there any veteran winners losers that you guys want to call out here who survived the draft?
Ryan: yeah I think Caleb Williams, we were just talking about that situation a little bit. I mean, got everything he could possibly need to succeed at this point. So I think he's a winner in terms of the team is really just investing in everyone around him and he should,
Ryan: hopefully be able to succeed. And then and we mentioned Trevor Lawrence already, but I think getting Travis Hunter on your team is pretty cool and should hopefully upgrade him. And Brian Thomas Jr. I feel like it also should help him a little bit since he'll have someone on the other side to take some of the defense. So I think those guys won for sure.
Joey: Yeah, I'm going to say um my boy Chase Brown, I would say, is definitely one that we you know we were i was texting several people. for I've shared with him in different leagues and just spent a lot of time like debating trying to acquire him, even in our league, at the deadline last year. And a lot of the reservation was not knowing if they were going to add somebody either in free agency or in the draft. So the fact that I think they did draft a running back, but it was in maybe the fifth round.
Joey: So fourth round, fifth round.
David Reed: You know, Taj Brooks or something like that?
Joey: Yeah. um
David Reed: It's Taj.
Joey: So it does seem like there's going to be ah the full opportunity for Chase Brown to continue to dominate this year. So that was exciting for me. And yeah. And I mean, I guess I'll throw Trevor Lawrence in there, right?
Joey: Just because we you know, that he's been pretty maligned over the, over the years with his own shortcomings, but also not having the best ah weapons, but you know, you can't,
David Reed: Yes.
Ryan: we We got to tone it down, Joe. Dave's getting way too excited over there.
David Reed: I also just want to note for all listeners, I'm not the one talking about Trevor Lawrence at all.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: ah
David Reed: It's my two, my co-hosts here.
Joey: No, but I mean, it's hard it's hard to look at him not as a winner coming out of this draft just because.
David Reed: Yeah, I agree.
Ryan: yeah
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: Well, I also say this, he needs to succeed this year. Otherwise, feel like his future is not looking great.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: If you can't succeed with Thomas and Hunter, then, you know.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: He already signed his contract, so he'll be okay.
David Reed: But no, no, I, I mean, I'm hopeful. ah Yeah, just hopefully the old line holds up for him too. But, yeah, I mean, running back seems to be a position that could your value can poof in instant, but it's couple guys that survived. DeAndre Swift, it looked like the Bears were really trying to replace him and just couldn't.
David Reed: So he survived. No competition there. Isaiah Pacheco, no real competition there. think they dropped some in the seventh round, which, granted, I think Pacheco was the seventh rounder as well. But still, I think Pacheco surviving that keeps his some of his value.
David Reed: Tyrone Tracy, you know, these are a couple of my guys on my team. But I think – It's nice that they didn't get an elite guy for the Giants. I think Scadaboo and Tracy actually nice compliments of each other. So I don't think I think his's value to the Hick is not alone, but he's not gone like he could have been.
David Reed: And Judy and Tillman, because mainly because of the trade, I thought Hunter was going to go to the Browns and be the wide receiver one there. Keeps these guys hopes alive. I'm not saying these are huge winners, but their hopes are are still up there.
David Reed: Any losers that you guys want to call out? Obviously, we talked about all the Bears pass catchers because it's just a crowded room. But any other major ones for you guys?
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, you were just hitting on running backs and how their value can disappear in a second. We have Ramondre Stevenson, and I feel like he was definitely a huge loser when they drafted Henderson. So it's one of those situations where you just hope that he can stay involved, but there's a chance that by the end of the year, he's just completely replaced when you know they put that type of draft capital into and another running back. So I feel like he's a ah pretty big loser. And then Sam Darnold, um, you know, I don't see him having the same year as he had last year anyways, but now, uh, there's even more pressure on him. So probably not, uh, an ideal draft for him either.
Joey: Yeah, I definitely have my concerns about Sam Darnold, to be honest. And it seems like the team ah probably shares a little bit of that concern, drafting a high draft capital quarterback.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: And, um Yeah. um For me, you know, the whole rest of the Bears skill players, I would say, is ah it's probably the main one just from ah predictability standpoint. But I guess we'll see. I mean, maybe that offense will just dominate this year and all the all those guys can all eat.
Joey: But um it's tough to... it's and I guess two guys I'll speak to quickly. One, Jalen Warren, who's on my team. Yeah.
Joey: I feel like he wasn't that guy anyway, um if we're just being honest. I wasn't expecting him to carry the the whole load, um and he assuredly won't now with the addition of Caleb Johnson.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: But, um you know, still... just addition of Caleb takes a little bit away from Jalen's value.
Joey: um But, you know, we'll see. I think he'll continue to be pretty much what he's been for the last however many years with Najee Harris, which is just volatile and he'll catch maybe two or three passes a game and get more volume when Caleb's hurt. And yeah, it'll be the same shit with him.
Joey: And Tank Dell, unfortunately for him, right? Like,
David Reed: So sorry.
Joey: Yeah, like, you know, it's it like a lot of it is just the fact that he's, you know, has terrible, has had terrible injury luck. But, you know, I feel like the team is telling us what they think about his long-term prospects ah by their um
Joey: drafting of, I think they drafted two ah Iowa State wide receivers.
David Reed: To Iowa State, yeah.
Joey: Yeah, so...
David Reed: no Noel and no Noel and Higgins.
Joey: Yeah, and Higgins. Yeah. So um unfortunate, it seems like ah if they were expecting Tank Dell to be Tank Dell again, although, frankly, calling a spade a spade, Tank Dell was never really himself again.
David Reed: poopy last year
Joey: Yeah. but After coming back from the last injury. But ah unfortunate. But yeah, I would say those those are my the guys that I would probably highlight.
David Reed: yeah last one nausea harris just no i don't think people are super comfortable but it seems like his value might disappear because you knew they would add someone you didn't you were hoping it wasn't go be a first round running back He was only on a one-year deal, i believe. So he should probably still be helpful this year, but he may need to find a new home again after this year. So we'll see.
David Reed: But yeah, with that, also one thing that didn't happen in the draft was that everyone thought the Cowboys were going to be drafting wide receiver because they got like no one after Lamb and they did not.
David Reed: But probably one of the bigger trades that happened the NFL post-traf was that they traded for Pickens with the Steelers there, which is a pretty huge trade for the Cowboys. So i want to see if you get your guys' thoughts on the trade. where do you think that means for the values, both on the Steelers' side and the Cowboys' side?
Joey: Yeah. um Jump in again as a ah DK McCaff owner. I'm ecstatic about it.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: for that i mean, he was likely to be moved. so um But I'm happy to see it actually happen because I think that there would have been quite a bit of a logjam there with both DK and Pickens. So um happy about it from a DK standpoint.
Joey: And... Pickens, it'll be interesting. I think he i think there's probably a little bit of fool's gold there. I think the ah promise of what he'll do in Dallas might be a little bit higher than the reality, slightly.
Joey: um But I also could end up with that guy on my face with that take and he could dominate.
David Reed: see
Joey: I know there's a lot of metrics out there about you know like the types of routes that he runs and the types of routes that Dak is best with and You know, it all kind of like aligns with the same shit that ah CD is best at. And, you know, obviously CD has been dominating. So he he could honestly be great.
Joey: But.
Ryan: Yeah, I think and think it's a really good landing spot for him.
Joey: but
Ryan: And think it was probably the the best you could hope for if he was going to get moved um and definitely helps Dak. Curious, you know, what do you think about CeeDee Lamb? Does that take away from him at all? Or do you think it's just a pure compliment that helps him?
David Reed: I think it's pure compliment that helps. And you need to, you can't throw 30 passes to Lamb as much as one would like.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: it's He's still going to get double digit targets a game, but Pickens, like what Joe was to talk about is that Dak Prescott, I think it was like number one or number two in like downfield passes and like accuracy, but didn't have like the weapons all for that.
David Reed: Pickens is like number one, number two in downfield receptions. And he has, I think he's got one of the, I saw a stat today. I forgot how many yards it was, but under 24 years old, having xxi amount of yards with like over 16 yards per catch. It's only him and like Randy Moss. He's not Randy Moss, but it's just talking about how he's like a big downfield stretcher and makes big plays down there. And when you, there was like another overlay of the routes that Pickens runs, it's all these deep ones on the, as an X receiver down the sidelines and,
David Reed: CeeDee Lamb runs a lot more in the middle of the field, so it's going to open up the defense for Lamb to catch a lot more easy passes because you have to respect it a lot more knowing that Pickens can get down the field and Dak can get him down the field.
David Reed: So I think it helps Lamb, especially with some run after catch too. So I think... Dak is probably the biggest winner there. The thing that will be interesting for Pickens Valley long term is that if he dominates, he's in the contract year. If he dominates this year, he's going to probably get a bag of money.
David Reed: And the Cowboys already paid Lamaton and they paid Dak a crazy amount. And I don't know how much more money they have. So he he probably is not going a Cowboy if after this year if he has a really good year, which would be kind of an interesting dynamic. You're excited,
David Reed: but If he does too good, it's gone. And you don't want to change it.
Joey: Yeah, that is a good point.
David Reed: So little double-edged sore there. And then from the opposite of the other side, it's just DK is just solidified, getting a ton targets. So it would have been kind of weird having just Pickens and DK just both on the sidelines just running straight routes because that's all they were going to do.
Joey: okay
Ryan: so
David Reed: But yeah, ah catching everyone up on that. But with all that, all that news that kind of unfolded there, finally getting to our own rookie drafts here. So this is the probably the most exciting part of Old Dynasty is the rookie draft.
David Reed: We did ours, i believe it was like two weeks or so after the NFL draft. Selfishly, I pushed like a week. You should do it earlier, but I was having my third son on the it was due date May 1st. I was like, yeah let's just push a little bit behind that.
David Reed: um But yeah, so we gave us everyone a little bit more news. But now that we had it figured it'd be kind of useful to run through the draft a little bit, run through the picks that we felt were interesting, some reaches, some surprises, good values, and also kind of give like evidence to anyone listening of like what a draft could have unfolded and our superf flights halfpoint ppr ti in tight end premium format.
David Reed: So with that, I figured first I'll just run through quickly what the first round was, and then you guys kind of just call out any players or picks that you really were a fan of. So in our first round, it's when Gentty, Hampton, then Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Ted McMillan, Ibuka, Trevion Henderson, Junkins, RJ Harvey at 109, then Warren,
David Reed: and warren Dart and Loveland to close things out at the 12th pick. So what are some of your thoughts or picks you want to kind of call out in that first round?
Ryan: I think if you just start at the top, it's interesting with the two running backs going before Cam Ward and a super flex, which, um you know, is similar to the year when Joe took Robinson number one overall. The next picks were Richardson, Bryce Young, and CJ Stroud.
Ryan: Obviously, hindsight is 20-20, but yeah, I mean...
David Reed: Worked out.
Joey: Mm-hmm.
Ryan: pretty Pretty sure Joe would still take that pick. So ah I think, you know, I think those are good picks. And even though it's super flex, I still would probably take the running backs over Cam Ward.
Ryan: Unless you're really, really sold that Cam Ward is, you know, 10 year superstar, but.
David Reed: Yeah, I mean, the the quarterback draft draft class and here was kind of viewed as a weaker one in general, and the running backs were, like, very elite. So, personally, think I would have gone Gentian Hampton as well over Ward, too. So, I agree with this pick. But it is interesting that you see quarterbacks propped up so much and in our draft. You see one draft in the third pick and the 11th pick as the top two first-round NFL quarterbacks that we had.
Joey: Yeah, and then for me, right, like the Harvey pick was one where i and it was like a everybody in our league will remember. I ah famously took like five, four to four to five hours to make the pick.
David Reed: Forever. Okay.
Joey: And honestly, like, I mean, I've done a lot of these slow drafts for the last like hour ah five, six years and maybe longer. And. a lot of times when I, when I'm dragging my feet, it's because I like, I open it and then I'm like, Hey, I'm undecided. And then I close it and I go about living my life for an hour or two. And then I go back and open it. And this time i was like on the phone, like just the entire, almost the entire time.
Joey: um trying to work out trade first. It was first. I was trying to work out a trade before the, um, the, the previous two picks were made to try and move up. Cause ideally I really wanted to grab one of the two Ohio state running backs.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: Um, that didn't work out. And then I was in this position where like behind me, it was just the two tight ends who we talked, who I talked about earlier. I didn't want to just roll the dice on one of them dart who,
Joey: um I just made a big move last year to acquire a quarterback. Like I feel good about my quarterback situation and I really wanted to grab a running back. So then it was just spending hours debating whether or not to make the trade of that pick with team Clark for Kenneth Walker um or roll the dice on the, the, the, the young new hotness in RJ Harvey.
David Reed: Not that young.
Joey: Yeah. Yeah. I guess the thing I would ultimately ended up tipping, tipping the scales for me is like, and, and, and where I kind of like fit ah on Harvey at, even after the Dobbins acquisition,
David Reed: 24 years old already.
Joey: again, Dobbins has, has one singular working leg. Like he was dead before going into last year. He had a couple like serviceable games at the beginning of last season. I still think he's completely toast.
Joey: And even with him there, and even if he has more juice in the tank, then I know for sure that he definitely does not. Um, if Harvey is, is like good and he really hits and he produces the same way that he produced in college, um,
Joey: It won't really matter.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: um i like the touchdowns. The ballers always say that like touchdowns generally are a good predictor of future success in college. and Harvey had a shitload of touchdowns in college.
Joey: um and I like the thought of him being the potential pass-catching option in the Sean Payton offense.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: so We'll see how it goes. But, you know, I feel i feel like ah that was my my one of my flaws in early early years of playing fantasy football was that I always just like maybe undisciplined, fun, you know, like pick that feels good at the time, but maybe is not like the there the right call for the long term.
Joey: And in this case, I yeah ah wanted to roll the dice with the new hotness and let's see if it works out.
Ryan: Yeah, I like Harvey um over Walker, so I would make the pick too.
Joey: Oh, all right.
Ryan: But but but for for the record, they are the same age.
Joey: Good. Nice.
Joey: Yeah. They seriously, I think they're like one or two months different.
Ryan: They're both 24. As crazy as that is.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: So it it would have been an easier call if there were, there was only one tight end to pick from.
Ryan: as as crazy as that is
Joey: Like if it was only Tyler Warren or if it was only Colson Loveland, And maybe if Colt Komet didn't it fucking exist, like, like, I just, you know, like I, if there was only one tight end, i I probably would have taken him. But just the thought of like having to choose between those two. And that's basically a coin flip.
Joey: um And also, I frankly need running back help on my team more than anything.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: So.
David Reed: And to your point with ah the pass catcher, I mean, last year, Javante Williams, who stinks, couldn't do anything last year.
Ryan: you
David Reed: He had 70 targets for 52 receptions in Sean Payton's offense. And he's not nearly as explosive or the pass catcher that RJ Harvey at least projects to be.
David Reed: so And obviously, reception is always worth more than a rush. So you even if they're compliments, i think you're still going to get a lot of value out of Harvey. The only thing is that you were hoping to have a bigger workload it seems like it's not as guaranteed.
David Reed: It's not that it can't still happen Dobbins is hurt. It's just that there there seems to be another hurdle in the way. So that's the only thing that can kind of be
Joey: yeah
David Reed: sad there One question I had for you though, Joe, because the there was another running back. Obviously, you had Warren. Caleb Johnson was also on the board there, but getting two Steelers does probably doesn't make sense. But if you didn't have Warren, would you have gone Caleb there?
Joey: it definitely would have been a ah stronger consideration i think the fact that like I'm still in this position where I kind of like, kind of want and need Jalen to be serviceable for me.
Joey: ah Just, I just have like such poor what running back death that like, if there's an injury or anything like Jalen Warren's going right in.
David Reed: Yeah, he might be going in anyway.
Joey: And so, yeah. And so I just like, I'm not, ah I wasn't crazy about the idea of adding to Steelers running backs. And also I have DK, like,
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: ah So I will say this. If Jalen Warren wasn't on my team and if the Ken Walker trade wasn't a possibility, then Caleb probably would have been the pick.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: Just because I i i was not and was not going with one of the tight ends.
David Reed: first
David Reed: I also think he's 20 or something as well. He's, he's like significantly younger than when he finishes his rookie contract, he will still be younger than RG.
Ryan: Thank you.
David Reed: ah But I, I mean, I like, I probably would, especially now here in like, in like having, post draft i probably have risen on caleb but a bit more even though he was a full round after rj harvey he was dropped in the third round in that full draft i like the spot he seems like a a good fit for that offense and he already wears those colors coming from iowa and that's a nice segue because he was the first pick of the second round which i thought was a pretty good value there But then leading after that in the second round, we had Matthew Golden, Luther Burden, Cam Scadaboo, Jaden Higgins. This is the run of the wide receivers. Higgins, then Harris, then Betch, or Beck, Betch, Betch, we'll see. Then Noel, and then we had a run of quarterbacks at 209 with Jalen Milrow, Sanders,
David Reed: Chuck and then finished it out with you blue the running back in Dallas so. And what are some of the calls in the second round, obviously I just mentioned Kayla Johnson feel free to put some an additional color if you agree with me or disagree, but what other players.
Ryan: I thought the quarterback run was interesting because you have Milrow going first out of the three, who's technically a backup, but you know, we just talked about how Sam Darnold, you know, might not be a long-term guy.
David Reed: And also rushes, which is what you want.
Ryan: Then you have Sanders.
David Reed: And that's the big thing.
Ryan: Yeah. Then you have Sanders who could be a starter could also be like the fourth option on his own team. And then you have Shuck, who's actually starter, but I just think stinks.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Ryan: So it was like an interesting three quarterbacks. If you wanted to pick a quarterback, which one you were going to pick. And I probably would have gone Milrow, but he was gone. So we took Sanders.
Ryan: But um yeah, I'm curious of Joe's thoughts there too, because you were obviously right in the middle of the picks.
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, i i personally, i think I probably would...
Joey: I think it's kind of a coin flip for me between Milrow and Sanders, to be totally honest. And you might end up getting some value with Sanders because he he could easily end up being the starting quarterback this year, kind just given the situation that he's in and the fact that you know they did draft Dylan Gabriel, but...
Joey: Dylan Gabriel didn't go and in our rookie draft until like, you know, what, 25 picks later. So that's in any indication.
David Reed: Dylan Gabriel would still get ID'd at a bar. Like, this guy is so tiny.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: There's no way he's going to make it as a NFL quarterback.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: ah
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: He's also not good.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: He's, like, not an accurate or – and he can't throw the ball deep.
Joey: No.
David Reed: It makes no sense.
Ryan: Yeah. Sanders at least has a shot. It's a long shot, but he at least has a shot. But I think all three of those quarterbacks, I feel like are worth taking in the back half of the second round. they could all hit. They could all be nothing.
David Reed: Yeah, I also like the upside of Melrose. I think, obviously, he has to improve some of his accuracy. He's actually incredibly accurate down the field, like deep throws. He's won the best in the entire class. I think he's better than Sanders and Dart and maybe more. He was like elite, Matt. just the middle the field and shorter throws better.
David Reed: pretty bad at, but he's one of the best rushers. So you got to expect Donald's going to potentially not be great at points and they may put Milrow in and he'll get points at his feet.
David Reed: And the upside there. that's what you're shooting for in the back half of the second round.
Joey: Yeah, that's i mean, like pretty much like if you're thinking about like players who might get opportunity, um it just feels like that feels like the ideal scenario to have the guy behind.
David Reed: Oh, yeah.
Joey: Yeah. So um also, I'll mention the Jaden blue pick just because I thought that it was a little early. um Well, we'll um mention uh bashal tootin in the third round um but in a lot of the rankings that i was looking at tootin was ahead of blue blue's a little undersized but i guess i guess i see the potential upside there just given the fact that dallas is running back situation is so wide open and if he is
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: if it If he does end up hitting in any capacity, he could be ah valuable guy to have, especially in passing game. But um yeah, that was just one other guy that I wanted to mention. I think for me, I probably would have leaned to more on the Tootin side, but um yeah.
David Reed: I was in agreement. i was tu was one of the guys i was second pick in the third round, so I was definitely eyeing this run that was coming up here. And Tootin went the pick right before me, but it's all right. There was another guy was I was eyeing that I ended up getting, which we'll get to. but And who knows? It's a crapshoot at this point, but I definitely lean Tootin a bit more. He had a higher draft capital and seems like a bit more explosive. But...
David Reed: You're picking hairs at this point here. Any thoughts on like the all the wide receivers in this round? There were six that went. So I don't know if there are any major call outs. Three in a row by the same team in our in our league, which I thought was funny. And it kind of knew about it because to me that was – those are the last three in a tier. And i was like, oh, just sweep them all off the board.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, I don't.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, those are the three guys we talked about earlier, too, that I'm just like, like one of them is bound to hit, right?
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: yeah me
Joey: You know, like who?
David Reed: That's the hope, right?
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: I think that's the interesting part is that one team took all three really versus them individually.
David Reed: Just to go home.
Ryan: But yeah, I mean, you would assume one will hit for him.
David Reed: Yeah. know But yeah, then moving into the the third round, we had Tudin start off round at 3.01 that we alluded to. Then it was Kyle Williams. Then it was Taylor for the Jets, Tyden Arroyo.
David Reed: Am I saying that right?
Joey: Dylan.
David Reed: Tyden for Seattle. Pat Bryant at wide receiver for Denver. Terrence Ferguson, who's the tight end for the Rams. Devin Neal. Samson, always forget his version. His is another Devin.
Joey: so and
David Reed: Dylan Samson. Dylan Royals. Fannin, the tight end for Cleveland. And then he got Will Howard, a quarterback. And then Ewers, or Ewers, or Ewers, whatever, who's now the backup, well, potential backup for Tua in Miami.
David Reed: So any major call outs in this round? This is when things start getting a little bit deeper in rookie drafts.
Joey: Yeah, no, looking over the picks right now. I mean, I think Quinn Ewers at the back end of the third in the situation he's in where two is always a, an injury liability is potentially decent value, but, um,
Joey: He also might stink. ah my money My money is on him actually being terrible. So um so i i haven I'm not a huge fan, but he might be on the field. Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, he's behind Zach Wilson as a backup, so, you know, Zach Wilson stinks too.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: That's right.
Ryan: So I feel like that actually it was a solid pick.
Joey: yeah
Ryan: That's what I was going to say. ah the last pick of the third round, you're getting a quarterback that's behind a super injury-prone starter and a not good backup.
David Reed: And Zach Wilson.
Ryan: Yeah, that it's ideal.
David Reed: There's only one way to describe him, and it's name.
Ryan: Yeah. So I thought that was a pretty good pick.
David Reed: Yeah, I like some of the tight ends that actually went in this draft, especially the tight end Primo.
Ryan: But
David Reed: This is where I would start eyeing some of them. Taylor obviously seems like he's going to get ton of playing time immediately and potentially the second, maybe third passing target if you include Brees Hall but and with Garrett Wilson there.
David Reed: I like Ferguson a lot, actually, as well for the Rams, that tight end there. It seems like mcveig it's a McVay guy and he's very excited about him. He he was –
David Reed: when they do athletic testing at the combine, it doesn't really matter too much. It's, uh, except for tight ends, it really matters, uh, having a high res score because that's how you get explosive plays is that you just like a physical specimen. can get some yak and Terrace for Ferguson was the big riser based on that combine. He had a great combine there. So combine that with McVay's offense. I think that's a pretty sweet pick there.
David Reed: Um, One player I'll throw out was my pick there was Kyle Williams, more so because I do think he's solid player. got day two capital, the wide receiver room in New England stinks and is a mess there. Someone who drafted also wide receiver from the Patriots last year and may have talked about him a lot on the pod.
David Reed: I feel like Kyle Williams, he's
Joey: Hmm. Hmm.
David Reed: Looks like a very strong wide receiver coming out of college. And getting him in the third round because sleeper, this happens every single year. There's always one player for some reason. Their ADP is just buried down there. I think he would have gone earlier if it wasn't for that. But you just you had to actually scroll a search for him. It's been fixed since. So if you're drafting now, you're not going to get that value. But I did see that. So I was able to snag him the third. This happened with Tyron Tracy last year as well. Got him the fourth, just saying.
David Reed: Look for your guys. But don't know if you guys have any thoughts on Kyle Williams, if you know, pat me on the back at all or no, but nothing. Okay.
Joey: Good luck.
David Reed: I traded him. I already traded him, so it doesn't matter.
Ryan: Yeah, I going to say, he's not on your team.
Joey: Oh yeah, that's right. You did.
David Reed: But yeah, then ah going into the fourth and fifth round, i'm not going to read all the names here. This is when you start just taking your shot on players. ah Some leagues don't even have their fourth and fifth round. In fact, we actually just got rid of our a fifth round after this draft.
David Reed: So I was wondering which if there were any major values you saw here because there's no real bad picks. It's all potential upsets.
Ryan: I want to call out Schluter's pick, which was the last pick of the draft, because we were going to get rid of the fifth round, and he was adamant that he had this amazing fifth round pick that he was going to take.
Ryan: And he took Phil Maffa. Don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.
David Reed: That's right.
Ryan: But, ah you know, looking at the depth chart, he's behind Javante Williams, which we just heard Dave's thoughts on. Jaden Blue, which we just talked about was maybe a ah little bit early.
Ryan: And Miles Sanders, who probably stinks. So, you know, I'm curious to see if that works out for him.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah. And but see was he, was he Clemson?
Joey: And mate.
Ryan: It might. It might. He was Clemson, yeah.
David Reed: Yeah. Right. He's, yeah right he
Ryan: Yeah, he he was good at Clemson.
David Reed: Yeah, it's ah it's pretty – I mean, there was definitely some running back upside shots. I like the Hunter pick at 4-4 for the Rams. He they could maybe be the back of the Kyron Williams there. Who else was a pretty good one? Ollie Gordon potential complement to A-Chan at 4-0-2.
David Reed: And I mean, we're Syracuse guys, so with Quinn Allen and both – and also Gadsden, getting Gadsden the fourth and Allen in the fifth, I like those guys as well because think they have some juice.
Ryan: Yeah, I think Edson actually has some potential upside.
David Reed: He's been getting hyped a lot, actually. this life like Harbaugh has been talking about him and not saying that he could be potentially like a Darren Waller guy, but he he was a wide receiver converted to a tight end.
David Reed: Athletic freak, big catch radius, can do a lot of things. so wide receip i mean The tight end depth chart's not great there. Harbaugh doesn't throw a ton to the tight end, but you you're tied to Herbert, so you feel like they could find a way to get him the ball.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah, one guy I'll mention here, we're talking about, oh yeah, sorry, that's what I wanted to reinforce.
David Reed: That's Gadsden. Yeah.
Joey: yeah as i Sorry, as I was like looking at the rounds on Sleeper to see.
David Reed: On their phone.
Joey: Yeah, but they he's been getting a lot of hype, Gadsden.
David Reed: Yeah, a lot of hype.
Joey: So, and you know.
David Reed: I was hoping to get him and I was very disappointed that he went there. But i also knew with the amount of Syracuse fans in here that like there were too many people that knew him and
Ryan: yeah
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: Syracuse was well represented in rounds four and five in our rookie draft.
David Reed: That's right. I was like, I'm getting Nova. I got him in like real deep in my other league because no one's paying attention. And then this one was like, damn it, he sniped already.
Joey: yeah
Ryan: yeah Yeah. And then I will say Dylan Gabriel, although he likely stinks, he did get the draft capital. So taking him that late in the rookie draft, not the worst thing.
David Reed: Also, uh, Savion Williams, uh, I don't have any hopes for this guy personally. He's a wide receiver for the Packers, but he's got third round draft capital.
Joey: yeah
Ryan: Thank you.
David Reed: Getting him at the 509, like that is like just crazy. Why not take the upset shot? These type of players generally don't work out and I'm like really out on them, but I easily have taken them at the 509.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Also thoughts on, uh, Again, this is my pick, but I'm not trying to pander here just because we mentioned the run draft capital. Tesla got drafted at the 405. He had was drafted in the third round, but they also traded, i believe, like a third rounder for him. So he costed the Lions basically two third rounders to get this guy.
David Reed: He had like no production at all, but he's ah an absolute freak of an athlete. don't know if you guys believe or not or if i if so I'm just barking up the wrong tree here.
Joey: ah
Ryan: Like potentially, but the thing is there you have St. Brown, Williams and Laporta. So, you know, fourth option at best.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: But, you know.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: You don't know.
Joey: A lot of mouths to feed. And I have like ah ah a like ah strong mental block sometimes with but things like, you know, just like people like his name.
David Reed: His name Tesla.
Joey: Tesla. Tesla.
David Reed: That's why.
Joey: tesla and Where I'm just like, there's no there's no way I'm drafting this guy just because like I get like uncomfortable just like looking at the spelling of his name.
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: Yep.
Joey: so there was like Honestly, I couldn't tell you one thing about him because i saw i i' still the way he spelled his name and I was like, this guy may as well be dead to me.
David Reed: A capital S is what throws me off in the middle of it.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Like, why is that?
David Reed: No way he's coming to my team.
David Reed: Well, ah with that, were there any – now that we've have ah like a little bit to kind of digest post-ro and rookie draft, were there any rookies that have kind of you've changed values either up or down from – from I kind of mentioned Caleb for me Johnson has has risen a bit since the the draft, but I'm curious if there are any players that, now that you're looking at the board, how things felt, that you would have kind changed the order in your mind.
Ryan: Not really too much for me. i feel like it's still too early to put ah ton into the camp hype. You know, there's there's a lot of hype going around, but, know, what's that really mean months from now?
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah. I think as I'm here looking at the board, ah yeah, I don't know. If I was Matt Rosinski, I think I would have i wouldve taken one of the Ohio State ohio state running backs instead of Iqbuka.
David Reed: um Yeah.
Joey: And then, you know, if he was going to take that whole trio of guys in the and the second round. But yeah, in terms of like overall
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: ah draft capital, right? Like, I guess, you know, we'll see.
Ryan: and i Yeah.
Joey: Maybe Sluter getting Jackson Dart at the end of the first round will end up being the big steal of the draft.
David Reed: I do like that pick. that I'm excited about Dart, but I'm also a Giants fan, so it's hard for me to be unbiased about it.
Ryan: Also, ah am I reading it right that Matt took both of the tight ends at the end of the first round as well?
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: He did. He did.
Ryan: Man, he just...
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: He did do that.
Ryan: He loaded unloaded up.
David Reed: First of all, he had he had a lot of picks, and he's just taking shots everywhere.
Ryan: Yeah, seriously.
Joey: He's casting a wide net. It's like that guy that you see go up to the roulette table and just put like a fucking chip on every single number.
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah. Which you're like, there's no way that you're going to make money doing that.
Ryan: Something is there.
David Reed: Like, you're definitely – there's no scenario where that makes money, but sure.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: Someone's going to hit.
Ryan: Something is going to hit, though.
David Reed: Yeah, he had a lot of bolts in the chamber in that draft. But yeah, and in general, the only thing, it's not really a player. It's just that i there were i wasn't as excited about the high-end wide receiver talent in this class, but there was a lot of depth in I do think like – obviously, Matt, you're just hoping for it second round.
David Reed: But I did think a lot of good talent in second round, like Golden, Burden, Higgins, Harris, Betch, Noel, even Royals later on in the third round.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I think those are all like solid guys. Forden I like a lot. Actually, i didn't mention that in the fourth round. So there's actually a lot of depth pieces that I could – I think like a year from now there might be some interesting players that come there. So – I wouldn't change the order too much, but just in general, like my overall opinion of the class is little bit better.
David Reed: Oh, Oh, 100%.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Tesla?
Joey: and It'll be interesting to see which guy that we didn't even talk about on this draft turns into the next Puka Nakua.
David Reed: Tesla?
David Reed: ahla
Joey: Maybe Tesla.
David Reed: We'll see. But with that, I want to just kind of jump in. So there were obviously, like, in our draft, there's tons of trades going on, just getting different positions, trying to try and get your guy. But there was one trade that was quite the blockbuster that I feel like it it requires us talking about. I want to get your guys' thoughts on it.
David Reed: And, again, it was Clark Shaw, so kind of shout out to those guys that worked with them with one of the bigger trades that we've made, probably since your guys' Hertz and McBride trade. but similar kind of concept there but uh the trade was uh i get traded away cd lamb tj hawkinson anthony richardson kyle williams and a 2026 second round pick and i got and they traded me brock bowers jerry judy and caleb williams so uh a lot going on there a lot of big names lost star power um
David Reed: um Again, tight end premium, but want to get your guys' thoughts on both sides of that trade there.
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, this was obviously a huge trade. Definitely interesting. I've gone a little back and forth. I would prefer your side, Dave. I would rather have Bowers, Judy, and Caleb Williams.
Ryan: I do think Williams can still be that guy. Brock Bowers, obviously, we've talked about today is, you know, the number one tight end. And Judy has definitely potential.
Ryan: um the other side, CeeDee Lamb, obviously superstar.
David Reed: Thank you.
Ryan: I do think Hawkinson could have a resurgence if JJ McCarthy is good. So I could see him being more valuable than he is right now. But Anthony Richards said I'm just completely out on um and I mean, you were just hyping up Kyle Williams, but I wouldn't say I'm there yet. So I would take your side of the trade, but i think it was a huge trade. And i I would say it was decently fair and kind of just depends on a few small things on which side is going to win.
Joey: Yeah, that's I mean, the big question really in this whole deal is what does Caleb Williams become?
David Reed: Mm-hmm.
Joey: And, um you know, because I think that. It's probably if you if you if you do the, you know, choose your own adventure where Caleb just has a lot of seasons, like his first, like his rookie season, and he doesn't really take the next step, then Clarksauce wins the trade for sure.
Joey: Because I really do, like, obviously, Lamb is a huge value. We talked earlier about I'd probably rather draft Lamb than Bowers in a startup right now.
David Reed: Yep, 100%.
Joey: And, you know, Hawkinson, right? Like, Hawkins is still a good player. and But again, question marks there too, right? For Hawkinson's value to be anything right now. He needs McCarthy to be something. And he also is like, what, the third option at best in that offense.
Joey: It's in the pecking order at least. um So I think that tons of questions. um Bowers and Lamb are like the main kind of sure things.
Joey: And we talked about them earlier. They're like... they're very similar slash interchangeable in terms of where they're going in startups right now. So, um, yeah, I, I, I understand and I support the move, um, from each side and, uh, it will be really interesting to see how it plays out and, you know, it'll be fun to see Dave, um,
Ryan: Thank you.
Joey: sweating and riding and dying by another one of these first round, first overall quarterbacks that may or may not ever pan out.
David Reed: Yeah, yeah
Joey: We will see.
David Reed: I mean, I'm just happy I'm off the Anthony Richardson ride. That seems to be like the favorite the best part of the...
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, that that definitely did not pan out. so
David Reed: No, I mean, i think it's a huge trade. And I think, Joe, I texted you like the day before it went down because it took a little while to finally get accepted. that like I had like a trade that was like completely franchise altering direction for me.
David Reed: um I mean, I like the Bowers and my wide receivers on D-pad, but obviously I don't have an elite guy now that Lamb's gone, but I also need an upgraded quarterback. And i I knew Lamb was going to be the thing that could get the conversations going there, but I'm not also trading Lamb for Caleb. That's like insane to me.
David Reed: So I'm just happy because for all people know, Anthony Richon was my second quarterback, and that is scary to to rely on that.
Joey: Just a little bit.
David Reed: So I'm happy that I don't have to. Where the other team, Clarice House, they have – Anthony Richon their third. They're pretty loaded. They've got May and Burrow. locked down there. So they're in good shape.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: They needed a high and wide receiver. That something they've been looking for for a while. They finally got it. They're actually looking like one of the stronger teams for the title this year. So I think it helped them out a lot as well.
David Reed: So I think it worked for both teams based on where they were and what they were trying to get done. Makes me nervous though.
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: Not going lie.
Ryan: yeah I was going to say that I do think it works for Clark sauce and I am scared of their team this year. I do think they could be one of the top teams, so it could work for both of you. I think it goes back to that conversation we had at the start of, are you taking lamb or Bowers first? And does that tight end premium matter to you? And like we talked about, Dave and I are about to find out, so we'll, we'll see. Yeah.
David Reed: We shall see. Sorry, Travis Hunter is going to be elite. ah I got the stack. But any ah any party thoughts? Thank you for the thoughts on the trade. I don't feel any better or worse, but it's okay.
Ryan: It's good to be back. Looking forward to getting closer to the season, getting a little more regular with the podcasting and hope everyone's having a good summer.
David Reed: Yes, wasn't too bad, right? You did okay.
Joey: Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what, Dave, in the show doc, you have ah You have our checkpoint at 71 minutes, and right now we are at 71 minutes.
David Reed: Nailed it.
Ryan: Yeah, I was watching that.
Joey: So six months later, we are in mid-season form.
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: Might even to say improved. I think I usually sucked at the timing before.
Joey: Okay.
Ryan: Yeah, we usually go way over, so we're we're in good shape.
David Reed: Our biggest criticism was it always went way too long. And you're listening. I have to produce this after we record this. Think about how long this is. ah But with that, start staying on path.
David Reed: Thank you all for ah for listening and have a great off season. Hopefully make some more trades and and good luck with your teams.
Ryan: Yes.
Joey: Bye, guys.
