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David Reed: Well, come in to the NSFW Dynasty Podcast. We are back after a bit of a hiatus. Life, work, holidays getting away. Some technical difficulties on the first try on this podcast. We're doing it again. but But happy to see Ryan and Joe back in the podcast booth. What's going on?
Ryan: That was and a nice intro there, Dave, almost like you had a little practice.
David Reed: All right. Take two, guys. Take two.
Joey: It's actually pretty remarkable how like awkward it is to do it a second time after you've already done it the first time.
David Reed: ah I know I was already committed as a heads not there anymore.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: But yeah, we're we're back right in time for the fantasy playoffs. you know Hopefully most of our listeners are in the playoffs so we can help you out, hopefully win your league.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous that it's already playoff time. It's like kind of wild how like it seems like five minutes ago, the season was starting, and it's been 15 weeks, 14 weeks, so ridiculous. But we've still got the best couple of weeks of the season to go, and we're going to finish strong.
David Reed: That's right. That's right how How are you guys doing in in your your league 70 playoffs did you guys make I know in our league? I am the only one on this pod not in the playoffs, which is fine I've been trying to lose for a long time and I almost ended up in the playoffs and I did not want to be there But I know Ryan you you started finishing strong Joe you kind of fell in but Charles Chase made you officially get the win to get into the playoffs But how you guys feeling in the rest of your leagues?
Ryan: Yeah, I went two for two. I'm in playoffs in the Redraft League and our Dynasty League, so hoping to keep it going.
Joey: Yeah, my redraft teams this year were um poor. I missed the play ah this and missed the playoffs in all three of my redrafts. And I came in second to last, second to last, and dead last in three. And it's it's honestly, I mean, I know exactly what the what the issue was. I'm not going to like you know beat myself up in the podcast for it. But I think next year, we're going to have to take a different and more attentive approach to waivers.
David Reed: Yeah. yeah
Ryan: Ha ha ha.
Joey: Uh, but yeah, so unfortunately, but then in, um, in our league, yeah, I'm in the playoffs. I'm not loving in my chances this week. Um, but in our other super flex dynasty, which I've talked about before, um, where I have Alan and burrow and a couple of studs, um, the number one seed going into the playoffs again there and my team's looking strong. So hopefully we'll be able to.
Joey: to lock down another championship in that league. We'll see. Dave's team is pretty strong there. That'll be a tough out. So we'll see, see how it goes.
David Reed: Yeah, I don't know. I don't have the quarterback depth that you have. Uh, Allen burrow this year, or deadly duo, but I am pretty deep in running back when wide receiver. So. Hopefully that can carry the way.
David Reed: I got Herbert and a lot of trash at the Super Fox position. So I don't see what that goes. But yeah, this is, our league is actually the only one I pretty much missed that on. I have a couple other dynasty leagues that are like salary based.
David Reed: I have four there, two of them on the one seed and actually one, Joe and I, the co -managers on one seed there and then missed on the other two. But overall, I made most of the playoffs. So it should be a good time of year here.
David Reed: So let's get geared up here.
Ryan: David counting co managers. How many teams do you manage here?
David Reed: um so
Ryan: I feel like we just heard like 10 teams.
David Reed: Yeah, so I, well, I only have, um, I have two redrafts and the mega bowl league that is technically redraft. Um, but then, uh, on sleeper, I have two true, uh, dynasty teams on my own manager. And then there's.
David Reed: for this other league where it's all based on salaries. This guy Zach does a great job at being the ah commissioner for those leagues. That was actually the first obviously league I got into with Joe and there's four in there. Those are honestly pretty low touch because there's not many transactions you can do and they're like 16 team leagues, some of them.
David Reed: um but So I'm in four of those, and then I co -manage with Ray, who also runs the Make the Ball, and I think like three leagues. And then he has like these experimental leagues that are on my sleeper.
David Reed: So my sleeper has a ton of leagues. I honestly only we care about half of them, but I am, I do co -manage a couple with him that are pretty fun as well.
Ryan: Okay.
David Reed: So, but I'm, I'm the second co, when you're a co -owner or co -manager, there's a ah leading manager and a backup manager. I'm the backup manager. I'm the, those ones that I'm with Ray for sure.
Ryan: Nice.
David Reed: But it's a lot, you know but that's how I get the content.
Ryan: Yeah, you're dedicated.
David Reed: I get every angle.
Ryan: I like it.
David Reed: I get to feel every player. I change i change my opinions. I don't stay biased, but we move forward.
David Reed: We're going to be successful this year. We got this. But David, we got some news to catch up on. Spent a bit. So we got some injuries. Some of these may have happened about two weeks ago, but I think they're still important to kind of run through. So quickly run it through some of the quarterbacks. Aiden O 'Connell, weird injury. It looked like he was done for the year. I think he got air casted. But it turns out, just bruised his knee and actually could potentially play this week. So that was quite the change there.
David Reed: But Minshow is already done for the year as well. So if Aiden does miss this week, it would probably go ritter. Derek Carr fractured his hand and concussed, probably done for the year. So it's either Rattler or Hainer, I think that would be playing. Honestly, the Saints are just like a dumpster right now of all the injuries that they got going on the offensive side. Justin Herbert sprained his ankle, but he should play. and My man Trevor Lawrence a nasty, nasty hit got concussed two weeks ago and is done for the year. So Mac Jones is running it out there. Um, but Brian Thomas Jr. Still kind of against the value there, but any quick thoughts on the quarterbacks before I jump into running decks?
David Reed: Not really.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing there really of of note other than...
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: Herber's the only thing that could maybe have an impact there in my opinion, but he seems like he'll be okay.
Joey: Yeah. and
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah, he'll play. Derek Carr kind of looked like he was like crying like a baby on the field.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: It was just like the ugliest like reaction to an injury I've seen.
David Reed: He does that when he's not, when he's not hurt though.
Joey: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: He's just not, so I don't like watching him play.
Joey: I'm like, get out, man, come on.
David Reed: He's just like not enjoyable.
Joey: I mean, I guess it it kind of matters a little bit for MVS because they had a good connection. And I can't really say like confidently that Rattler or Hainer can connect with MVS for the the deep ball the way that you know car was.
Joey: So any he hope that you had with playing MVS the rest of the season, probably a little bit less now.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, that was literally us. We had him. We started him the last two weeks and he's definitely got to go straight to the bench now.
David Reed: Yeah, you can't rely on him. Running backs have actually been pretty resilient most of the year, but we're starting to see some attrition pop up this past week for sure, but also a couple of weeks ago. so One of the big ones, uh, Christian McCaffrey two weeks ago, done for the year. Uh, I think it's a PCL on the snow game. He got hurt. Uh, and then Jordan Mason owners who took over that game, anyone who had him was excited. I was like, all right, I got the top 10 running back. Nope. He also heard his ankle and was done for the year, which was a nice surprise that you had about a two hour window to ship him off. After seems he knew some people were able to, but he's done for the year. So then backup Isaac Garendo came in.
David Reed: who also now got hurt with a foot sprain and he's very much in the up in the air for for this upcoming week so if he's can't go Patrick Taylor potentially because he's was off he's the report of running back there but he's also a special teamer he's kind of just a a guy he's just a jag i'm not one i want to have to rely on him but is he at uh at the nikonda uh He formerly of the Jets.
Joey: Jets legends.
David Reed: He's a Jets legend, fast runner. He got picked up, was inactive last week, but he could potentially get some carries. Bucky Irving, who has been lighting the world on fire this past week, early in the game, injured his back, and left but the game, did not return.
David Reed: Questionable play this week. Still has a shot, but that gets an uptick. And you saw Rashad White get a ton of work and get all the value, kind of what he had last year. And Sean Tucker got some touches. Breece Hall in this week, 14 with an injury, not trending very well this week either. So Isaiah Davis in Brown and Allen, we get a lot of these touches in Isaiah Davis. ah You know, he will actually look a bit better of the two. And then finally, this one is real brutal. But Jonathan Brooks, ah you waited 10 weeks for him to finally get in the field after Terry's ACL gets out and now he re -tour that same ACL. He dumped the year, probably gonna miss pretty much if not all of next year as well. so
David Reed: And then Risa and Chubba Hubbard to an extension there. So it's kind of, his value is really plumbing, Dynasty, but where are you guys' is view on this? But you hate to see that on Brooks.
Joey: Yeah, that was rough. And I texted you right like right after seeing it where like he went down.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: He wasn't touched. He limped off. He couldn't get off the field. You could just tell it was like his knees grabbing at the back of it. It was just an ugly kind of scene.
David Reed: Yeah, non -tact, yeah.
Joey: Yeah. um So unfortunate. The Bucky Irving one is a tough one because honestly, a lot of people have been counting on Bucky who are in the playoffs.
Joey: um to he's been quite valuable over the last five to seven weeks. So it'll be a pretty interesting situation if he can't fully go this week. Obviously, that puts Rashad White in a very advantageous position, like you said, to continue to produce a ton. um So we'll have to see what it's going to look like for for Bucky this week. It seems like it's just his back. I thought it was a different injury two weeks ago, but it seems like it was the back two weeks ago.
Joey: uh, originally two weeks ago when he came out, they said it was his hip. And then any, anyhow, uh, it, it ended up being his back.
David Reed: They're all, these are all old men injuries too. Yeah.
Joey: So that's why, when I saw that he had a back injury last week, I'm like, Oh, I guess he's got a second injury now, but turns out it was just the back all along. So who knows? I think it's, um, like a tightness thing.
Joey: So like his back just kind of tightened up last game. So I guess.
David Reed: Yeah, that's brutal.
Joey: It'll be a roll of the dice to throw him out there in a playoff matchup this week. If his back ends up tightening up again and you get nothing, that's going to be unfortunate.
David Reed: yeah that's brutal
Ryan: Yeah, definitely not what you like to see with the guys you're relying on. And then yeah the 49ers backfield has just been a mess. I don't really know what you do there. I think you know if yeah don't you know if you don't have anyone else, you obviously start them, but it's tough because you don't really know who's going to get the carries and it's kind of been all over the place.
David Reed: Got to avoid it, I think.
David Reed: Yeah, if Gorondo gets back on, I think you can roll with him, but other than that, ah you hopefully you have a bye, and that you can wait and see how things shake out.
Joey: Yeah, like, uh, Schluter in this league.
David Reed: Yeah, so hopefully he can get a sense of what what to do there.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: Moving to wide receivers, not as many bigger names here, but we still have some players in the deeper leagues. Demarcus Robinson, AC joint spraying questionable for this week. Lab McConkie missed, I believe, last week within the knee injury, but I do think he's trending to potentially play for week 15 to keep an eye on that.
David Reed: He's been awesome, but he does take a beating. I don't know if he can handle that type of usage long -term, but he's been great for a rookie. Um, Romeo Dobbs has a concussion missed the past two weeks, but he has a shot to potentially play this week. Senator Tillman also has a concussion missed the past two weeks, but he's also progressing much slower. So week 15 is very much in question right now.
David Reed: And George Pickens, finally. Hamstring, he missed last week. He's questionable for this week. He's also just kind of an idiot, but he he has been doing very, very well on the field when he's out there. So that is someone I know a lot of teams have been relying on throughout the season and would love to get back in the field.
Joey: Yeah, I mean I I didn't. I admittedly don't have the full context on the pick and situation, but it seemed also like they were just being cautious with him.
Joey: Like maybe that was.
David Reed: and no
Joey: I don't know if that was Tomlin like maybe covering him up a little bit for. I don't know, but it's like that was the impression I got where they were just like, yeah, he's more injured than we thought, so we're just going to pick it slow with him.
Joey: um So yeah, like he said, um yeah I don't think you're really counting on having him for this week and maybe even next week you ah either, so unfortunate.
David Reed: Mm hmm.
Ryan: Yeah, I think McConkie, like you said, it's been great and probably a lot of teams relying on him too. So hopefully he plays this week.
David Reed: Yeah, he's, he's been a monster. It's just making great catches and constantly open. So definitely want to see him back on the field. Finally, we're rounded out with some tight ends, taste some Hill a couple of weeks ago, tourist ACL done for the year after blowing up and look like someone who potentially helps some teams win a title app. We're going to be without him again, the injuries and the stance who just been brutal. Will Disney, who honestly, if you've been relying on it, he has been useful, but hopefully you don't have to be relying on him, but he's going to be out multiple weeks for the shoulder. Dallas got her, uh, has a knee injury. He's going to, he's I think the league done for the year, so Calcaterra, hopefully pronounced that correctly.
David Reed: He actually gets some good looks. I think he scored a touchdown this past week, so if you're desperate, you could definitely toss him out there. And some positive news, it sounds like Dalton Kincaid, who has missed, I think like four or five weeks now, ah should be back in week 15, it looks like.
Ryan: okay
David Reed: So finally getting some help with the tight end position there.
Joey: Yeah, one thing I'll say.
Ryan: yeah
Joey: Um, well Goddard, right? Like he, like, I think he's going to be back, but he's just won't be back for real for fantasy.
David Reed: For fantasy,
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: So Calcutta, I mean, you know, he caught a touchdown last week. I think that's going to be the deal with him.
David Reed: yeah. Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Streaming time is really the deal.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah. What about King Kade? What would you do? Would would you throw him in your playoff lineup this week?
Joey: ah
David Reed: No, he has not been good.
Ryan: I don't think you can, right? Yeah.
David Reed: yeah that's Yeah, he's been a bit of a disappointment.
Ryan: Even if he's back.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: I wouldn't.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: um I think he takes... like yeah Looking, reflecting back on this week's Buffalo game, one of my takeaways was, oh, it's nice to see that Amara Cooper is getting the full like wide receiver one load of targets.
Joey: It'll be interesting to see if Kinkade coming back takes you know three to five of those targets away from Cooper. but Uh, yeah, I, I, I would not count on him.
Joey: Even, I mean, maybe if not, if Dawson Knox got hurt, but yeah, I dunno, not, not great vibes around Dalton Kincaid.
David Reed: He, he had so many opportunities earlier this year with lesser competition and just did not show up.
Ryan: Yeah, I agree.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I can't imagine now with more competition is going to be better for him. So yeah, tough here. Um, and not an injury, but I didn't have this showed up, but I know, uh, it'll make the podcasters happy.
David Reed: Uh, today's Tony cut. Uh, okay. Uh, so guys, thanks.
Joey: Yeah, he this might be that not this honestly might be his last opportunity.
David Reed: but
Ryan: but That was probably it. Yeah.
David Reed: is If you're getting cut by the browns, like you're you're pretty bad at this point.
Joey: yeah Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah, and then.
Joey: He he he muffed that punt, but did you see did you see the only other snap he played in the game was yeah, it was the previous punt where he got an unsportsmanlike penalty for throw throwing the ball at one of the opposition guys.
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah. a penalty
David Reed: yeah
David Reed: has like, I wish there's, there's gotta be a way to like calculate it probably on lost yards or something, but has there ever been a player who's done more damage to their team per touch than Tony ever has?
Joey: yeah
David Reed: Like it's crazy. I like the chiefs lost that game because of him stuff. Like he literally has lost teams games. So so many times it's crazy.
Joey: Yeah, it's not ah the sharpest of the knives in the drawer.
David Reed: Yeah. Yeah. He had that one good game against Dallas is Rick here and everyone just still holds on to that as I'm camping. He's a lecture with it. I'm like, yeah, he's a man, but talking about some, uh,
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: Crappy team, time for DeVito is going to be back starting for the Ashcheek Giants this week, but we're trending towards, we have the second pick right now and trending towards potentially that first pick. I do believe, was it the Raiders with the first pick? They played the Jags at some point, I think in a week or two. So hopefully the Raiders can sneak them in or something there and the Giants get that first pick.
David Reed: Uh, you got Bryce young who actually has been looking good. There's almost one, like three or four straight. It hasn't got them all, but it's been looked good. James and Judy are dominating together. Um, AJ Brown seems very frustrated with Jalen hurts right now. Uh, because John hurts is not a good pastor, which I said, I said in our chat, I'm sure we can get into more later.
David Reed: We already touched upon Josh Allen and Barrow, but also want to just throw out Chase. Jamar Chase is far and away the wide receiver one on the year. Um, just absolutely dominating, but Puca this past week is like, he just looked incredible too. And I, I'm very interested to see how high people value Puca. If he really has risen to that, like top four or five player tier, but those are just a couple of quick hitters around the league. Want to see if you guys have any additional thoughts or want to elaborate on any of that.
Ryan: I just got to make a comment on Josh Allen obviously having the single greatest QB performance of all time.
David Reed: All time, crazy.
Ryan: oh you know it was It was awesome to watch um clearly the number one overall pick.
David Reed: Yes, you made the right call there.
Joey: um Yeah, I don't think I don't think that Jalen hurts as bad a data passer as you're giving him this credit for um But I don't think he's like a great passer either.
Joey: So I mean he he adds value in a lot of other ways and um He doesn't need to necessarily be a great passer in that offense because they have such a dynamic rushing attack but um from a
David Reed: Mm hmm.
Joey: non -fantasy and just from like a pure NFL perspective, I will be interested to see what the response is this week to some of the criticisms or the complaints that A .J. Brown had and if he throws the ball downfield more and how it looks and whatnot. So we shall see. I'll be ah watching and tuning and frankly hoping that he throws quite a few deep touchdowns because I'm going to need all the points I can get.
David Reed: yeah Yeah, we'll see.
Joey: So yeah I saw and while we're while we're talking about Jalen hurts and um probably not the statistic that someone who just purchased hurts in a dynasty should be sharing, but it's just like ah an unbelievable stat.
David Reed: Oh, I saw this, yeah.
Joey: Barkley, Saquon Barkley has been tackled on the one 11 times this season, which is the most
David Reed: Mm -hmm.
Joey: of any running back in football. And 10 of those 11 times, Jalen Hurts scored the touchdown.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: So and it's just unfortunate. Well, it's unfortunate for Barkley.
David Reed: and
Joey: It's over -inflating Hurts value, I think. um And it's pretty like it's it like, if any other, if the Eagles had anybody else playing quarterback for them, like Barkley, who's already the RB1, would be, you know, yeah, ridiculous.
David Reed: Yeah, huge.
Ryan: Yeah, I think that's the crazy part. Hertz has been doing that for a couple of years now, but Barkley.
David Reed: Same thing happened with Swift. How many times does Swift get tackled?
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: mess
Ryan: Yeah, it feels like whoever they're running back is, he gets tackled on the one, but...
David Reed: That's part of their contract is that you do not score to touchdown.
Ryan: Yeah, Hertz has to score this touchdown.
David Reed: mean We get paid royalties every time they say tush push, so you need to get down on one.
Ryan: Yeah, but seriously, Barkley would be having an unbelievable year if he got those touchdowns.
David Reed: Yeah. Yeah, and that's part of the hurts thing too, as you mentioned like that.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: i I think he, I say he's a bad passer, like over, obviously they're winning games and it's working there, but in fantasy, I feel like his value is like, people view him as like a top end elite quarterback. And it's not that he's not putting up the production, but it's just so, so, so contingent upon his rushing touchdowns.
David Reed: Two years in a row, it's working. I just like, I have a hard time believing that's something you're gonna forever be able to rely on, is getting all those push push touchdown there. And also like, how long can a quarterback's body hold that up? And doing that type of workflow. Cause it's it's a lot on your body, but most quarterbacks can't do that. So like, that's where I'm like, I have concerns long term cause he's never cracked 4 ,000 passing yards. He's never cracked 25 passing touchdowns. It's all, all predicated of upon these rushing touchdowns.
Joey: Yeah, the rushing, it's the touchdowns, but it's also like the rushing yardage, right? Like he averages like 40 or 50 rushing yards game.
David Reed: You just get good, yeah.
Joey: And this year specifically, right? Like there's hardly any garbage time for Philly. Like they manage a game where they, they win. life Like, like. You know games that are on the mid to lower scoring side and he and like yeah what have they lost like two or three games all season?
Joey: So it's just like not often that he's dealing with the same garbage time. that A lot of these other quarterbacks do have to like inflate the passing numbers so. I'm just just trying to provide whatever counterpoints I can.
David Reed: Yeah, again, not bad.
Joey: I mean, let's put it. Let's put it this way, right? Like if you were just drafting. um ah Murray versus Hertz, you would you would prefer Hertz even though Murray is 100 % the better passer.
David Reed: Yeah, Murray's also an idiot, too.
David Reed: So yeah.
Joey: Right?
Ryan: Nah, I would. For fantasy, I would take her sober very first try.
David Reed: Yeah, I would definitely take notes.
Joey: Yeah, but but but but like to your to your guy's point, right, like I
David Reed: ah yes
Joey: I that that actually just kind of like proves the point that more than more than 60 or 70 % of Hertz's fantasy value is comes on the ground.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: So health is obviously a huge concern there. And, you know, who knows what kind of offense that like, you know, I mean, hopefully they keep that killing more offense for some time in the future because it's it works and that they they score well, and he gets a lot of opportunities.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: So
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Guess we'll see.
David Reed: We'll see. But yeah, but with that, with that, we'll see. We're going to jump in to see if a little sense of other players that we want to see where the value is trending and what we are looking to do with these players rolling into the off season that the regular season has kind of ended. Some of these might be more questionable players or more difficult to value, but you know, I think it's good discussions because a lot of players, I'm not sure what to do with whether I have them on my team or if there's someone I should target. But Ryan, I know you've got a couple made you want to throw out here. So why don't you kick us off here?
Ryan: Yeah, so I got a couple guys. I just want to get a little value check on. Let me know if you guys would buy them low, sell them high, or hold them if you had them. First one, we're going to start with a guy who hasn't played this year, really.
Ryan: Rashid Rice. He had a monster three games to start the season, then obviously needed surgery and missed the rest of the season. He's currently still involved in that civil lawsuit. I think I saw the trial date is scheduled for June 2025, so who knows what's going to happen there.
Ryan: Treece did draft worthy, but we all know how Dave feels about worthy, so maybe maybe that's irrelevant.
David Reed: We also know that, statistically, he stinks.
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: He's honestly one of the worst web receivers. He's not good. That was my best take of the year.
Ryan: so yeah So They also traded for Hopkins not that that that should have too much of an impact but his dynasty value has held for the most part He's still ranked as a top 20 dynasty wide receiver if you look on keep trade cuddies number 16 right now Are you selling them high with the issues and his value holding or are you buying him low? Assuming he's okay in the long run and jumps into the top 10 top 5 dynasty wide receivers or you're just holding them and seeing what happens.
Joey: Um...
David Reed: I have thoughts on it, but so what I'm thinking is I would kick the can if you can actually get him low. Like you can get him for like a second and maybe like a lesser player. Um, I would probably take that upside shot. Um, but I don't think I would be giving up a first or anything for him myself at this point. Uh, there's just a lot of questions, obviously with health, uh, legal situation.
David Reed: He was dominating for sure, and I'm not worried about Worthy at all going forward anymore, but I still think this offense needs to get like a true outside receiver. and He's more of like ah a big slot, which can provide a lot of value there. i just I think he was getting a lot of value earlier this season because there was absolutely no other option. I do think at some point they will have to get another option.
David Reed: And if that happens, then he'll still be very good at just like I think he was at before the injury He was in like top seven dynasty wide receivers and I have a hard time getting to that level But I know Jill where you're at
Joey: Yeah. Um, I felt like he was a sell this year for, from a contending team standpoint, just because there was a lot of implied value there because of the way he started the season and the fact that he was like injured and missing the rest of this season. And also like his status for the beginning of next season is slightly uncertain and also like
David Reed: It's a lot of Ns.
Joey: Yeah, like so many ends, like, the and like not the least of which is a lot of these NFL teams, their offense, like the way it functions, the scheme, but also just like who it runs through and whatnot doesn't exactly stick from year to year.
David Reed: Yeah, so many Ns.
Joey: Like even with the Chiefs, right? Like they they were running through Kelsey for the last couple of years. And then the beginning of this year, it was all kind of like jumbled up and it was basically running through Rice and like,
David Reed: And now it's no gray.
Joey: Yeah. And he's on like, uh, he's, ah he's rookie deals are for our four years for rice.
David Reed: Mm hmm. Yep.
Joey: This is his second year. Next year is going to be his third year. And we don't know really know what's going to be going on with the legal stuff and whatnot. And who knows if they're going to end up paying him. They didn't pay Tyreek like ride receiver is in a position that they generally pay up for.
Joey: So there's, there's a lot of reasons to potentially try to capitalize on the name and what he's done so far. Um, so I probably put him more in the.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: sell if you can. I wouldn't necessarily be trying to acquire him or let's put it this way, like I wouldn't be looking to like pay up to get him on my team um if he was a throw in to make a deal happen. like that great great
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: yeah Yeah, I agree. I think if you have him, I would almost hold him unless you can try to get someone to maybe overpay a little bit with a first or something, but I don't think he's a buy low at this point. There's too much risk.
David Reed: I think actually Joe what you're going what I think the best thing is that you package him with something else and try to get it like in the lead guy because I think there's a lot I feel like most of the times community still is like pretty high on him and sees like all the upside and is willing to overlook the downside but there's just so much risk and if I can use that player to get someone who's like a certified stud I would probably do that so I would like packaging with another player and like really try to level the up that might be the best move.
Joey: yeah
Ryan: Yeah. All right. And and another guy who is now done for the rest of the season, Christian McCaffrey. I feel like we have to talk about him here. You're either a believer and you aren't concerned with the injury history and he's by low or you're over dealing with all the missed time and you try to sell him while you can.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: For reference, before the season on keep trade cut, he was like 7 ,300 points. He's down to less than 4 ,000. Now he's in the same range as guys as like Najee Harris, Alvin Kamara, and James Conner.
Ryan: That's where he's being valued right now. So you buy in low, hoping he turns it around or are you done?
Joey: um i'm for For Dynasty, I'm out.
David Reed: Yeah, I'm out too, I think.
Joey: ah they His contract with San Francisco, the extension that they gave him was two years last year, so he's got one year left plus an option.
David Reed: Yeah, so I think, yeah, I think he could potentially go two more years after this year. I think it's how it lands.
Joey: Yeah. um I mean, i I acquired him in one of our keeper um redraft leagues, but that is with the assumption that I'm going to have him for next year.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: And then you know probably look to find another option. like I do think there's an up and above average chance that they'll um that he'll have a good season next year.
Joey: right like it's not like this It's not like him missing the majority of a season due to injury. like This year is like a new thing for him.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: No, that's the thing.
Joey: any And he bounced back and he had the season he did two years ago. like It's in the range of outcomes for next year. I'd be willing to kind of like bet on it to an extent. I obviously did.
Joey: ah but for dynasty right like it's tough to like he might be someone that you go that you try to acquire like if you're if you feel like you're on the fringe of a championship but like in a rebuild type scenario or if you're not like right like a ah tip -top contender I would be avoiding
David Reed: He, he certainly carries diet. Like again, when he's healthy, I still think he'll be a game changer. Um, and yeah, if you're contending or you're in data, we all need running backs and if you need to level up, you can go there. But I just, I don't think I could sell the farm for him. Like earlier in the year, you would have had to, um, you have to be like pretty close and push forward, but you also can't be a team where if he gets hurt, you're screwed. He needs to be like almost like a depth piece upside, uh, because The way I view him is kind of like a, like a three leg par like parlay. Uh, it's not another range. It doesn't hit, but like I'm putting, I'm viewing it it and hitting it like a 30 % chance here. Uh, maybe lower. Um, but if it hits, you're going to be in great shape because going forward, like there's just so much risk. And if you are relying on that, like if you were betting and you were betting like at parlay and you were betting your savings, that's too much. I ain't doing that. But if it's like all chump chains and it's on the side, okay, I'll take that shot on him.
Joey: I would say the only thing that I would say, um, in response, I think it's a slightly higher likelihood that he hits next year. I would say maybe more like 50 50 or 60 40 only.
David Reed: I think next year I'll hit, I'm talking more of like you're investing long -term assets and next year is like your only shot for it for Dynasty.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: Oh, okay. yeah Yeah.
David Reed: Redraft, I agree.
Joey: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: Redraft, I feel a lot more because it's a one -year shot.
Joey: Yeah. Like, I think, I think that's pretty much what you're working with.
David Reed: her
Joey: And if you're talking about his value beyond next year, then yeah, I would say like, Sub 30%.
David Reed: Yeah, but like when you're in Dynasty, you're thinking hopefully two years out and and that's the price you're gonna have to pay.
Joey: Yeah. Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, I don't know. I'm even a little less optimistic than you guys. He went down. He wasn't completely untouched. He's had a weird year all year with the injuries. And I don't know.
Ryan: I'm i'm definitely out. I wouldn't be buying him. I'd be selling him if I could. But yeah, we'll see.
David Reed: I mean, it's obviously you could be in a bad spot at the end of this year if you were relying on him all year in dynasty. So, uh, you might be in a team that in a position where selling you might be the best move for you to kind of recoup losses there.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
Joey: Yeah. And I feel like if you have him, like hang on and early next year, if you're in a position to compete, you hold and you try to stay along for the ride.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: If you're not, then you find the guy who's trying to compete and you, and you recoup as much as you possibly can.
David Reed: Oh, absolutely.
Joey: Because after, like if he puts up a 30 spot in week one and then all of a sudden he's going to be like skyrocketing back up there.
Ryan: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, that I definitely agree with. If you are going to sell them, you definitely wait. and Now's not the time to sell them.
David Reed: Yeah, this is not when you do it.
Ryan: Yeah. All right, and then one more. I'm sticking with the injury histories here and switching to quarterback. We'll go with Tua. His value tanked after his concussion, but it's rebounded nicely and she's kind of back to like his pre -injury value. You know, sort of same thing. Are you thinking there's too much risk with the injury history? Are you holding or buying low, assuming he can still be that top 10 dynasty QB?
Ryan: Um, and you know, while we're talking about him too, we might as well throw Tyreek Hill in there who is approaching 31 and has seen his value tank over the last two months. He's currently ranked as the dynasty wide receiver 28. So, you know, same situation there. Is that a buy low or is his time kind of done?
Joey: I think I would rather have.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: I would rather try to buy Tyreke low, um but I don't really love the idea. i I'm personally not trying to roster either of them. um I just don't. I just don't want to take that kind of risk where one play could make the asset completely disappear forever, um and that's pretty much what you're working with with two or right.
Joey: Like I mean, I don't know, like. he He could he could make the decision to continue to keep coming back and playing after like another several concussions. Like it's not out of the range of outcomes.
David Reed: yeah yes yeah
Joey: It seems like actually that's probably what he would do because he's kind of crazy. But ah with Tyreke, at least like you're I think you're getting i I don't think I think he's more valuable than the wide receiver 28 dynasty.
Joey: um And there's some kind of a range of outcomes where Miami gets another quarterback to like a functional backup. You would think they're going to have to prioritize that.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: And Tyreek could hold some value. So I would say too firmly out, 0 % do I want any shares.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Tyreek, I could be compelled to buy low.
David Reed: Yeah, I don't think I'm targeting either one of these guys doesn't mean I won't roster them. I'm always willing to kind of hit the cannon. Unlike any players if there's like a value there, but I'm not going out of my way for for targeting these players at all. And the issue is like, I don't think you can too, it seems hard to buy low on now because he's been but performing well for what the risk associated to him is. Like, I don't think those prices are going to be for what the owner has and what I think like a discount would actually mean. I just see too much of a gap.
David Reed: Like if you werere an a re if you were in a startup, I think he's like a decent like a leader. If you skip quarterbacks in a super flex early on and he's like a little bit later, I think he's a decent target there, but yeah, I'm trying to avoid that. I would float these players. These are the types of players I would definitely float out because I do think there are useful assets. And again, certain teams may have like big holes that they need. And this is like the only options they can do to kind of fill it. So I'd float it out there, but in general.
David Reed: I don't want to go out of my way for these players. and There's just so much too much for us, even Tyreek. I know he got like kind of a weird extension. I don't know if it really added years, but he also has like been floating out that he like he may want to retire soon. so There's just a lot of risk long -term for both these guys. I actually have Tyreek on that, one of the salary leagues. Crazy salary for him. He's gonna put me over the cap. I'm cutting him. I could resound him for cheaper, but I like easy, and easy cut for me because I have him being paid as like a top three asset, and I don't think he's a top three wide receiver. I don't even know if he's a top 10 wide receiver next year. I think he can perform like it, but he hasn't done it that much this year to be able to, I feel like it's gonna be hard to rely on that next year.
Ryan: Yeah, definitely a lot of risk. um you know don't Don't see much changing for Hill, except he'll probably have a couple more kids by next year.
David Reed: Yeah, for sure.
Joey: Yeah, and to your point, like, yeah.
Ryan: He's dominating in that area.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: um To your point, I don't see any scenario where he's drafted in the in the first 10 wide receivers off the board next year.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: So maybe, maybe, maybe like numbered, but I could already off the top of my head, very, very quickly named seven or eight guys who?
Ryan: yeah
David Reed: Easily that a little more.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: So like that's what I was like. It's tough. Like you, yeah it's almost like you have any, I feel like it takes time for a dinosaur players. When there's been a player who's been top 10 wide receiver for so long to like really finally be like that guy's not talking anymore.
David Reed: Like he, it takes a while, especially cause Tyree has done it for so long.
Joey: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah. And and guys kind of like retain their value a little bit or they have like ah a renaissance of their value at the at the tail end of their career.
David Reed: Mm -hmm.
Joey: Like Davante Adams during like like last year, two years ago is Raiders year or like AJ Green kind of did it for a while. And um so maybe we see a little bit of that with Tyreke, but yeah.
David Reed: Yeah, that's right.
David Reed: What about you, Joe? Got any names for us you want to toss out?
Joey: ah yeah I got a bunch of names, I'm going to throw them out. so i And again, like I kind of just like, like when I was doing this to get the names, I just kind of took a piece of paper and I just like kind of wrote down like buy low, sell high and hold and just started like writing names in each of the bucket.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: I'm not going to say which bucket I'm reading, I'll just throw out some names and we'll see and then I'll tell you. So first one I want to throw out there, which is actually actually an interesting one is um DK Medcalf, who
David Reed: Mm.
Joey: um I feel like there's been a ah considerable shift in his value just this season alone, where going into the season, he was clearly the most valuable water receiver on the team. Obviously, JSN is is has ascended over the last couple of weeks to a point where I think you're probably, um, I think DK is probably being undervalued just because of the current hype surrounding JSN. I also think that, and I meant to check this before the podcast, I'm going to check it on the fly right now.
Joey: Um, his contract situation, I think he's a, a free agent after this year or has a, um, and out on the contract after this year. Um, confirming that right now, potential out 2025. Yeah. Um, so I don't know if he's on a different team and maybe a change of scenery for him, depending on like, I don't know, like there's always the promise of a new situation with a lot of these wide receivers that.
Joey: So um yeah, curious what you're doing with DK McCabe.
Ryan: And I mean, I mean, I would say by low, I know, Joey, you have him and we tried to get you to throw him in, uh, in our hurts Murray trade.
David Reed: Mm -hmm.
Ryan: So, you know, we, we liked him. I still think he's got a ah bright future. And like you said, even if it doesn't end up being on the Seahawks, it could end up being somewhere else.
Ryan: So I would buy him still.
David Reed: Yeah, I've always liked DCAM, but the weird thing is that I also feel like I do need to readjust my viewing because I like, has he finished in the top twenty like 10, 12 wide receiver? I feel like he's always in like the teens.
Joey: early in the season i think he had like yeah like week two he was wide receiver two week three he was nine and we uh...
David Reed: But like on on a full season now, like,
Joey: uh... not this year
David Reed: I'm looking up, he's got his second year, he was a 6 '7", then he's been in half point 11 and 18 .16, now he's 31.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: I think he's got a reason.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: I would definitely targeting because I think people might be too, too low on him, but I think he's more of a wide receiver too. Um, and like, that's kind of where I think we got to reassess his value at still think even at that production, he's a value based and where I think people are valuing him in trades.
David Reed: Uh, so I would definitely target him because I think he'll be useful. Um, and he still has multiple years left, but yeah, I, I
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I own him in dynasty leagues as well. And like I've traded him in some and I still have him in others. I like him, but I've realized like I've been relying on him to be more than what he actually ends up putting out.
Joey: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think i i I wrote him down in the by low category, but now that we're talking about it, um it just feels like if he if he does end up moving to a new team and a flashy opportunity and that like.
Joey: inflates his potential value to a point where, you know, depending on where he goes, like, obviously, if he goes to somewhere like KC, you hold on. But, you know, if he goes somewhere else where there's like the promise of a new opportunity, new and better opportunity, maybe you can capitalize and get a more locked in wide receiver one or RB one.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: It might be worthwhile to move on. um All right. Another one I'm going to throw out there is um injured player, somebody that um Is a little bit older was having a little bit of a career renaissance this year terrible injury not terrible injury, but unfortunate injury It was tough to see um Chris Godwin curious if you guys are he felt like somebody who?
Joey: um
Joey: Was Reaching kind of the peak of his value earlier this season and Then basically plummeted following his injury um but i I think that the situation for him to score fantasy points will be ah still pretty pretty solid next year.
Joey: And um I personally am pretty in on um Godwin. Curious if you guys agree what your thoughts are.
David Reed: I think if I recall correctly too, I think this is a contract year for him.
Joey: It was, yeah.
David Reed: Yeah. So like, I mean, because of that, I think there's a better chance he stays in Tampa Bay now because I think they'll be able to afford him.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: So. Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah, I like him a lot.
David Reed: yeah
Ryan: I think he was, like you said, he was going to, he was, as I think a top three wide receiver before he got injured.
David Reed: He was dominating.
Ryan: Yeah, he was absolutely dominating.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: So, um, yeah, I think he's a great buy depending on what you can get him for. Um, maybe a little bit of risk cause he's a little bit older and just had the injury.
Ryan: But if he returns to where he was the first half of this year, then he would be a huge buy low right now.
David Reed: Yeah, he's had a couple injuries now. So that's like one of the things you you're a little bit concerned about. But his style of play, he's like just a good route runner. and He's great out of the slot. And I think your career can extend a little bit longer as long as you're playing out of the slot. and And that's what's been different this year when he was dominating. He was getting a higher usage out of the slot. And I think had like McMillan on the outside, where two years ago, they kept playing on the outside. And that's just not where he thrives when he had his, like I think, wide receiver two years because of a lot of the slot targets.
David Reed: So if I like the thought of him going back to Tampa Bay, playing with Baker and potentially getting that same usage.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: So I would definitely be looking to see if that is someone when you could potentially buy low on as well. Knowing that there is like injuries are always a risk to see like what they're and as they get older, but he's someone that I would be willing to roll the dice on and try to get.
David Reed: But I also will say as someone who had him in a few other leagues that I co -managed in, he was definitely a piece that I've looked to when we're trying to level up before the deadline used to try to get to win now.
David Reed: I was like, all right, this guy's been helping me.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I got to just like level up. Hopefully someone sees that out of there. But in general, I do think he holds value going into next year.
Joey: I do kind of totally agree that his value is kind of predicated. i would I would be less willing to go in on him if he was on a different team.
David Reed: Yeah, I agree. If you want somewhere else, I would be concerned based on usage and quarterback, like he has to be coming out of the slot to really get that value.
Joey: um All right, let's throw out um Nick Westbrook. No, I'm just kidding. um
David Reed: My boy, multiple firsts.
Joey: um It's interesting, right? Like we've we talked about ah Chase Brown in a podcast recently, and I'm going to bring up ah Tyrone Tracy, who I actually think is like Chase Brown Lite right now. um View them very similarly in their situation.
Joey: um And I've been like tentatively trying to acquire Tyrone Tracy in a couple of different spots, but also knowing that they still have Singletary under contract for another two years. And, you know, like they're still not very good team right now. I don't know who's going to be playing quarterback next year. So like, there's a lot of questions there. So curious what what you guys think about ah Tyrone Tracy and do you think there's a little bit of, I mean, it's obviously a risk beyond this year.
Joey: um but And maybe, Dave, you're a little biased because he's on your team. but
Ryan: yeah I was gonna say I'll let Dave I'll let Dave go first because I know that's his guy
David Reed: He's not a lot of my teams.
Joey: thank
David Reed: I haven't been a lot of places.
Joey: yeah good
David Reed: I love Tracy.
David Reed: I love Tracy. Yeah, I mean, there's risk because the team obviously, and obviously he's a later drafted running back and he's an older running back, but I like him. I think he's going to be very good next year. Even on like a bad offense, he's still showing out right now. I can't imagine no matter who the quarterback is, and they show that it's a worse team, at least from an offensive perspective. So I like them. The only risk is that they add, like, they invest in a top tier running bet, which I think would be the dumbest move you could possibly do on a state of the team right now. So I think that percentage chance of that happening next year is low. It's happened in the past, but those teams had a lot more established pieces where the Giants almost looked like in overall right now. So I'm not as concerned there. so i
David Reed: I like him. um I do think, I don't know how low. So if you're buying him, you're not buying him because his value is low. You're buying him because you think his value is going to continue to rise.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: And I do think it will continue to go up. I like him a lot and he does look pretty explosive and he can have some catch the ball. So I'm a fan, but I am biased. I'm a giant fan who owns tons of shares. and
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, I think your last point there is that you're buying hoping the value goes up is what gets me. I think for me, you'd have to pay too much to get him right now because his value is decently high.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: And there is a lot of risks and with Singletary there where they could bring someone in. And, you know, I don't know, for me, I wouldn't go out and buy him right now based on where his current value is.
Joey: Yeah, yeah, I had him more as a hold. So maybe that makes you feel better, Dave.
David Reed: I mean, I'm keeping on.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: But like, yeah, it just feels like you're probably not going to want to take the risk to sell him for what his actual value would be in the in a trade right now, because you're forfeiting a lot of upside and you probably don't want to actually try to acquire him.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: Well, maybe you do want to try to acquire him, but giving up what is actually required to get him is also a bit of a risk. So it depends on how how how lucky you're feeling.
David Reed: Yeah, I feel like he's relatively safe to be a top 24 running back next year. Um, with the upside of being more, I would probably right now feel comfortable saying he's in the 15 to 18 range thinking where like redraft is next year, but again, off seasons can change things. So, and if you're buying him before free agency in the draft, that there's a lot of risk there.
Joey: Um, yeah. And then ah just one other name that I'm going to throw out at the quarterback position. And I think the yeah the category of this guy falls in is pretty obvious, but Sam Donald. Um, are we all, are we all on board that this is, I mean, it's kind of like a little late now, but you know, he just feels like the most obvious sell high candidate that there is. Um, not exactly sure what the right course of action for Minnesota is going to be, but I don't, I don't It doesn't seem like they love him. you know like It's just been weird vibes this whole season. He's been good, and the team is good. I don't see them making a deep playoff run. And it feels like next year, it's going to be McCarthy's team. Donald's going to be moving on. So it feels like ah feels like this is probably the best year of his career that we're witnessing right now. And he might be a good opportunity to to sell, but just my take.
Ryan: Yeah, I think the the only thing with him is the situation because they have McCarthy. Otherwise, I would say he could almost be like a Baker Mayfield where he could retain a good amount of value going forward. The issue with him is like, is he going to have the full starting job next year or are they really going to work in JJ and eventually give the job to him? If that happens, then he's 100 % a sell high because, I mean, you could get a ton of value for him right now.
Ryan: If it doesn't, though, he could be that Baker type player that kind of turns it around and ends up being a pretty decent value for Superflex. But personally, right now, I would see what you could get and try to sell him. I just wouldn't say it it's 100 % a sell in that he completely tanks value next year.
David Reed: Yeah, i ah it's weird, because whenever I see a player that is universal so high, I almost think they're almost about by low, because they people are pushing to get rid of them so much that they're just like so easily attainable, because it's so obvious that this guy's like a sell.
Ryan: Heh.
Joey: Yeah, yeah
David Reed: And the situation's really going to matter. But the one thing that like I don't think enough people have talked about, because I was like, yeah, they got JJ McCarthy. He's on a one -year contract. He could go elsewhere. The Vikings could just franchise him.
David Reed: And keep him fun deal. He doesn't test free agency. They keep him there and see what happens with JJ McCarthy. And then you get another potentially good year out of Arnold and it stays in that system and stays with those weapons. And that doesn't seem to be like a path that most people talk about, but that's a very realistic end of your GM, like a pretty savvy, smart move. And then you could trade them if you need to. And you see JJ being better mid season. So.
David Reed: With that combination of things, I would see what the cost, if you needed like a second or third quarterback, what the cost potentially be. Because again, if people are looking to sell them, a lot of people start thinking like, I have to get rid of him in the next three months or I lose value completely. So you actually might be able to get him cheaper than what typical sell high values are. So there is a path and a realistic path from the whole value. It's a gamble, but that's someone that If you're selling, I'd throw it up, but that's something I would, I'd be like, yeah, maybe I will try to grab them if you can get them.
Joey: No, I think that's a good take.
David Reed: Cause some people may be like, yeah, I'll take them for like a second or two seconds. I'm like, all right, I don't have any quarterbacks. Maybe I'm, what am I going to do with these seconds? Maybe I'll shoot these over and I'll get a quarterback.
Joey: Yeah, no, that's a good take.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: Actually, I think I think the possibility of him being franchised is a good point. And, you know, they roll the dice and they see what happens next year. And if things aren't you know, looking the way they look this year, then they go to McCarthy midway through the season or start working them in.
Joey: But if they are, then maybe they move McCarthy and they sign Darnold to a long term.
David Reed: yeah
David Reed: Yeah Exactly, yeah McCarthy's on a rookie contract So like you this is when you have that flex financial flexibility to do something like that where you overpay potentially back up or Not a long -term quarterback.
David Reed: But yeah, that's that's what I would at least look to do if I was a GM I'm not though.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I'm a podcast
Ryan: Yeah, that is a great point. I feel like if you could go out and get him for a second or a little more than a second, like that almost is a solid buy right now.
David Reed: Yeah, but like I think in the office, you might be able to do because I do think there's going to be skittish owners that like you want to just recoup value before it evaporates.
Ryan: Yeah.
Joey: Yeah, fair point. All right, Dave, what do you got?
David Reed: Yeah, so I group my players based into similar type of storylines and of like where they are and I'm going to see if you guys. think that they are, their value is trending the same way and then what you would be doing with them. So these are two wide receivers, very similar skillsets and her definitely recently been poo pooing on your teams. Jayden Reed and Deebo Samuel. One's obviously younger and is I think he's in the second year. Deebo's obviously getting older, signed that big contract and people who knows if he's going to be with the 49ers, but they have definitely let you down of late. Reed put up a goose this past week and Deebo is just, I think,
David Reed: I think he's been terrible. I think he's like wide receiver 50 something or just the whole year So what are you guys doing with these guys? Because going into the season and even at midpoint of the season these were guys who held a decent amount of value You know, I love you but man you burned me yeah
Joey: Yeah, I was debating putting Jayden Reed on this, uh, putting him up for discussion myself as part of this conversation. Um, it's tough because it's tough because his value right now is not crazy high.
Joey: And it just like he's a frustrating guy to own because it's because there's so many guys in that offense and like he, like no one of their pass catchers is prioritized over any of the others in terms of targets and whatnot.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: You know, like there'll be a Christian Watson week, and then there'll be a Tucker Craft week, and then there'll be a Dontavian Wicks week, and then there'll be a Jayden Reed week, and it's just like totally fucking random.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: So it's extremely frustrating. And for that reason, I would probably not be looking to acquire him. But I also, I don't know that I'd be trying to sell him now either because his value is low. And same thing for Debo. Like, I think you're kind of just stuck holding both of these guys and hoping that they turn it around a little bit to prop the value up. And then you probably try to offload them then.
Ryan: Yeah, I agree. I mean, we've talked about it before. The Packers wide receivers, it's just tough because you don't know who's going to get the ball every week. I mean, there seems to be no true wide receiver one there week to week and that's tough for fancy purposes. So I do still think Reid holds some value and Depending on what someone would give him up for, I would potentially maybe go buy him because eventually someone's probably got to establish themselves as the top wide receiver there. And if you're going to take a bet on someone that might do it, read probably a guy that could do it. So, you know, he put up a goose. People are very down on him after last week. The week before that, he had 18 points. Granted, he did only have three catches, but I still think there's some value there. Whereas Deebo to me is trending more down and the long, the,
Ryan: Yeah, the long -term value there I think has definitely tanked and I wouldn't be looking to buy him. I'd almost be looking to sell him and see if you can still get some decent value because yeah, like you said, he's he's not looking great as of late.
David Reed: Yeah, he's looking slow, he's not explosive, he's not catching as many, but I think there was, I don't know if you guys saw online, he's like, someone's like, what's wrong with Deebo? And he like tweeted, he's like, there's nothing wrong, I just need more opportunities. And then someone responded as like, Deebo is leading the team and drop passes. Things like you're getting all the opportunities you can get, dude, you're dropping them. Read his, I think I would still look to potentially acquire read, because I think the value is so low.
David Reed: Where it's different than Deebo looks like he may be be losing the explosive. Reed is so explosive, I just, he does, it's just not consistent. Like he's not on the field enough.
David Reed: He's like, I think he's only like 50, 60 % snaps.
Joey: Yeah,
Ryan: That's the thing, yeah, I was gonna say, the last game, he was on the field for 50 % of the time.
Joey: yeah.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: The game before that, 67, 50 before that, 57, he's only playing half the game, and that's the problem with this situation there.
David Reed: Yeah.
David Reed: And and the like and it's targets, but like usually when he gets targets he's like, thank goodness. Just not get and I I don't know I don't get like I know Josh Jacobs has been great and it's been a big factor of it. He's running a ton to of ah of the plays there, but Yeah, it it's just so first because he seems honestly like the best wide receiver like I don't know why they keep relying so much on lots of the wicks they're great situational field stretchers, but Usually when the falls and resends good things happen and it just gets game scripted out and he's not and I can't tell you how many times cuz I've had him and I'm like, all right Big play need to read here and I'm looking at him like he's not even damn.
David Reed: Hold on. Where is this guy man?
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: What is going on? I've watched so many packer games because of it. It drives me nuts Mike He's not even I wakes is on who is 30. I need 11. What is happening here?
Joey: yeah yeah
Ryan: Yeah, I know.
David Reed: so Exactly and Dobbs is in every down player so like
Ryan: And the thing is, Dobbs hasn't even been in the last couple games, so it's like, now he's coming back.
Ryan: Yeah. Yeah.
David Reed: it's It's frustrating. I would i would still look, because I do think eventually the talent will rise to the top, and I think he is the most talented wide receiver, but the usage is killing me, and it's just infuriating to watch.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: yeah
Joey: Yeah, it's a tough one.
David Reed: the next The next pack is ah it's going to be a three -pack of players that Their value was pretty low going either into the season or even mid -season. It was real low. You honestly were starting to think that maybe these were never going to be that useful of wide receiver assets, but have turned it on of the late. And I'm talking about Jerry Judy, Elijah Moore, and Jordan Addison. So what are you doing with this threesome?
Ryan: Go ahead, Joe.
David Reed: Yeah. yeah
Joey: I think that it is quite insulting to Jordan Addison to the group.
David Reed: with Jared, Judy, and Elijah.
Joey: Yeah.
David Reed: I had JSN in this group, but Jason seemed even too high.
Joey: No, well.
David Reed: Jason and Jordan and Austin are closer to me than they are to Jared, Judy, and Elijah.
Joey: Well, it's I mean, yeah it's not, it's not, it's not exactly from a talent sample. It's a little bit from a little bit from a talent standpoint, but it's more so like, Jordan Adams is only a second year receiver and he was, he's been productive both years in the league.
Joey: Whereas both Judy and more have been in the league for several years and they've stunk most of the time they've been in the league.
David Reed: But, but Jordan, as in, I would say midway through the season, you thought we're trending the Elijah Moore, Judy passes.
Joey: Yes, for sure.
David Reed: He did, he did nothing ah up until three weeks ago.
Joey: Yeah. Well, yeah, he was out and you know, he had his own like, You know, I think he had a DUI and yeah, like he had some problems.
David Reed: Yeah.
Joey: I. I.
Joey: I mean, I.
Joey: I used to be higher on Judy when he first came into the league. I spent a lot of time owning Elijah Moore in dynasty leagues when he was on the Jets.
David Reed: I know these are guys that that hurt you.
Joey: Yeah, um I personally think that. It is just. ah All. smoke and mirrors right now with the Jamis situation like Jamis just breathes fantasy value onto whatever offense that he's a part of like regardless of who's on it.
David Reed: God. I love it.
Ryan: So that's literally, that was going to be my comment.
Joey: So
Ryan: I feel like Judy and more, it's all quarterback dependent. like They're hot right now because Jamis is throwing the ball. Who knows who their quarterback's going to be next year.
David Reed: Well,
Ryan: And if it's not Jamis, they're a valued tank.
David Reed: it is it. So and both of them, cause when I'm watching games, they are getting open a lot more. ah So I don't, so eight it's, uh, Jamis. Yes. But I think it's the fact that it's not Watson is I think is the bigger thing, uh, than, than it being Jamis. But what, so I, I, I've been a Judy hater. Uh, and I think everyone knows that.
David Reed: I bought him recently and reach out and I'm level of seed, but it's also the way they're deploying him or Getting him moving and that's why I think he's been useful like he's going downfield where he was always fast He wasn't like a great route runner, but he's fast and getting them in motion and putting them in the right spots But you need someone who could throw the ball downfield and hit him. and That's where James comes in Watson can't do that for shit so I think Judy if he found like a good play call and it's funny like being players being especially wide receivers being deployed in the right way for their skill sets is so important to their value. Judy finally got that now he needed someone who can hit in that way a lot more. Honestly, he's been he's he's had like double digit targets. I think multiple times the past ah couple games and he is open a lot. So like
David Reed: Not someone I would rely on, but I think for someone who I thought was like toast, dead in the water is value. I think he's like, so when you could, like we have three flex on top of two wide receivers. I think I could easily be putting him in as like that fifth flex and be okay with that going to the next year. I would toss like a third at Elijah Moore, maybe like a late third.
David Reed: see where the jazz one, but I would maybe toss that out of him. Judy though, um I think I've risen to the point where like, I think he'll be a solid wide receiver too, but I, I just, the Browns can't be starting lots of next year. I like, you just keep them as the most expensive backup. You cannot select that guy.
Ryan: Yeah, I mean, that's what it depends on. I don't think they can start them either, and if they don't, then I like Judy more, but I wouldn't go out and buy them right now.
David Reed: Yeah. And then.
Joey: Yeah, I mean, I would probably sell both. But for for dynasty purposes, like I have more in a dynasty and I'm pleasantly surprised at what's going on now. But even like I've been kind of like gunshot even to put them in my lineup because I mean, and part of that all is also like been hurt in the past. So it's hard to Like get over that. Um, but like, so we're like, just, this is just like fantasy pros, dynasty wide receiver, real time rankings. Like if I'm just naming a couple of guys that are in the neighborhood of Jerry Judy right now, who would you rather have Jerry Judy or Juwan Jennings?
David Reed: I actually think Joanne Jenny's gonna be the wide receiver one for that team next year Judy
Joey: Jerry Judy or DeAndre Hopkins.
Ryan: Yeah, Judy, just because of the Hopkins age.
Joey: Jerry Judy or Romeo Dub stops.
David Reed: Judy, I think there's more upside.
Ryan: I'd say that one's close. I have Dobbs, so I'll say him.
Joey: These guys are all, Jerry Judy or Amari Cooper.
David Reed: yeah
David Reed: Probably good, Judy.
Ryan: Mark Cooper.
Joey: Yeah, it's tough. these are Those are, so like, that they're all like in the same tier. I was just kind of picking above and below, but like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's he's definitely an interesting guy.
David Reed: He's definitely, i yeah, I was fully app, but ah he is interesting now. I think it's the right way to phrase it. And then I'll jump into the last one. It's two wide receivers who were done or likely done for the year. Curious is how you're gonna handle them in the off season. Brandon Ayuk, and is it Christian Olade?
Joey: Hmm I get it
David Reed: Yeah, this is difficult because i i own these I own both these guys in many places that I don't know what to do.
Ryan: oh ah
Ryan: I would not go buy Olave. I feel like people have been waiting for this massive breakout from him for two years now and it hasn't happened.
David Reed: Asking for a friend.
Ryan: I feel like if you have him, you gotta wait and see if you get it. if you but I don't know, I wouldn't go buy him personally.
Joey: Yeah, like for Olave, it's a combination now. First it was just expectations and slightly underperforming and just wondering when he's like finally gonna hit. And now it's the fact that he's had like four wicked concussions in 12 months. And you know like there's been a lot of instances where he's been floated out to me um in trades in both Redraft and Dynasty where I've balked at acquiring him because I'm always like a little, so I'm always, I mean, maybe it's to a fault, but like, I'm, I'm a little like gun shy about going for these guys with concussion history because like one day they could just like decide they're going to stop playing and that's the end of it.
Ryan: Thank you.
Joey: Um, and like you said, right? Like a lot of these values inflated by like the promise of him being more than he's actually been on the field. So the combination of those things, I think, uh, make him a tough buy right now.
Joey: Um, If you could actually sell him to somebody who's willing to overlook the the concerns about numerical history, that's probably what you're trying to do. ah Either that or like a similar situation where you're just holding and if he starts off next year strong, then maybe at that point you look to capitalize. If you're if you're out, if you're if you share the same concerns, I don't know. Like what dave where do you stand?
David Reed: I'm not as concerned, so I think he wants to play but I think it's smart that I honestly am happy he's not playing the rest of the year because I feel like that improves his chances of continuing to play long -term just by not playing because you it's not just the number of concussions it's the time between concussions that's also a concern so if you get another one this year like that would be code red Hopefully it doesn't get one next year, but I don't think it will be as serious if it's like the back half of next year and there was like enough time to pass. But again, hopefully nothing happens there. So I'm not fully out on there, but that's also to say I'm fully aware there is risk with him with the concussion. It's not, it's like definitely something you have to think about when you have him, where other players is not a concern.
David Reed: i And like this year he was actually starting to perform ah better than like last year. So like, that's where like, I have more confidence in him reaching that potential. Cause you were starting to see it and like he was stepping up and then obviously got hurt. And it was weird this year because then my car got hurt and then get back to you didn't, when car was coming back, he started to get that production again. So I, I, I'm not gonna, I'm not worried that he can't fulfill the promise, but the injury is starting to become an issue because The quarterback situation probably not going to be great next year again.
David Reed: and
Ryan: Yeah, that was going to be my other comment.
David Reed: and and i think
Ryan: He also doesn't have a good quarterback.
David Reed: yeah that That's the issue. and like it's It's always a mess there. so like they and They're not going to improve it next year. I don't think either. so i mean i have't I think it's just a whole situation. I just don't see any scenario where like selling him makes any sense. Unless, again, you're packaging it and like you have other assets and you can like to consolidate talent into a different spot. like it But i don't I find that a hard deal to make at this point. Ayuk is the one that's more concerning for me because he was going into the season as a top 10 wide receiver.
David Reed: was hurt now, but before that was doo -doo. And I honestly do think Juwan Jennings looks legit. And he was doing that. It wasn't just because no one else was on the field. He did it with IU. He's done it with Deebo. He's done it with everyone on the field. And Brock Purdy loves this guy. you He's like easily to his number one go -to most reliable receiver. When they need a big down, they look at Juwan Jennings.
David Reed: Um, and that's not to say that I can't have a role as well with that, but I don't think Jennings goes away next year. Um, where I think you were potentially, uh, read the tea leaves that maybe Devo's gone and I was going to get like a 30 % plus target share.
David Reed: I find that harder and harder to believe for I, I give him when he's healthy next year now, but I don't know where you guys are.
Ryan: Yeah, I definitely would not pay top dollar for Ayuk.
David Reed: Yeah.
Ryan: I think it's pretty risky and I do agree with you. I don't think he's automatically wide receiver one there, um even with Debo gone. So personally, yeah, I would almost try to sell him if anything.
Joey: Between the two, um I would rather have Ayuk, I think, and that's like a diversity of takes from us, which is, I just feel that he's he's shown more with um his his his highest highs on the field have been hot significantly higher than Chris Olaves, and he doesn't have the medical concerns, and he's in a more explosive offense with a better play caller and a better quarterback.
Joey: So it just feels like, ah yeah, like for me personally, I'd rather have Ayuk. Let me just throw out there one more, right? ah Who'd you rather have between Chris Olave, Brandon Ayuk and T. Higgins, Dave?
Ryan: sure
Joey: Yeah, let's rank him in dynasty.
David Reed: ah Olave, Higgins, I think.
Joey: I think I'm probably, Higgins, nah, nah, I can't, okay, I can't go Higgins.
David Reed: You can't go Higgins first, man.
Joey: why It's probably Ayuk Olave Higgins.
Ryan: I think yeah i'm with joe id think i would go au over o lae um I'm pretty out on Olave at this point. i i don't know I don't see him turning it around.
David Reed: I just have such concerns, because he was, I don't know, the vibes around IU were just bad in the preseason, even at contract, he was like pissing off the coaches. I don't know, I feel like he should be so good, but I'm like really getting concerned about IU, and if he's gonna just be a dud after his contract. So that's why I have him lower, but a Lave to me is the most talented right now of those players. Like if they were all healthy, I think a Lave is the best. It's just the concussions for a Lave in my opinion.
Joey: yeah
David Reed: But that's, that's not a nothing thing I should also say.
Joey: Yeah, it's the main thing.
David Reed: But yeah, but with that, obviously that's in the off season, but before the off season, we got, we got the playoffs and our league, our playoffs are kicking off. I do want to congratulate.
David Reed: Um, the, uh, Mike Kaffer, Mike Williams for getting the first overall seed, um, in our league. But with that, I think ah it'd be fun if all of us kind of gave our playoff picks in our league on how we think that these playoffs are going to go. Um, I'll go first. It's not in it. Um, and I know you guys both have a a little vested interest going on there.
David Reed: Um, so in the first round, uh, Ryan, I'm going to have you beating, uh, Clark sauce. Um, and unfortunately, uh, Joe, I'm going to have Scott beating you. Um, I do think there's a few major advantage you've had, but I, when I'm looking at those flexes, I think the difference comes there. I think Scott has a few deeper options there, but I think it will be close.
David Reed: Um, after that, uh, I got woke over the league champs cat, uh, Mike Kaffer and, um, Mike Williams. And then Scott actually overtaking defending champ Schluter, um, and another, uh, powerhouse, uh, battle.
David Reed: And I actually have Scott winning it all over bulk, but it will be close. Um,
Ryan: how How close, Dave? How close?
David Reed: It'll be close by, I just think Scott's team is like starting to get going. And honestly, I think he's just got the good vibes. He's been down a lot of what happened last year, barely got him this year, but those are the teams that are the most dangerous.
Ryan: All right, all right.
Joey: um I'm actually going to jump in because I have the same bracket with the exception of I have Wilk over Scott in the championship match.
David Reed: Okay.
Joey: So I think it's going to be on the back of. ah Kyler and Josh Allen and. Train McBride.
Ryan: let so Let's hope.
David Reed: He finally gets his touchdowns in
Ryan: yeah
Joey: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, the rest of my bracket was all the same and. ah Yeah, it just feels like the flexes are going to be the downfall this week against guys got a deep team, but we'll see if ah my my big guys are going to have to come to play. And you know, if I get another 40 spot from Jamar Chase, then maybe I can compete, but we'll see.
David Reed: yeah
Ryan: Yeah, so that's the thing, Joe. I'm going to spice it up a little bit. So last year I picked Schluter to win it all, and he did win it all. So this year I have to obviously say that my team is going to go all the way because it worked out last year.
Ryan: So I'm going to speak it into existence and say ah we're going to win over the Clark sauce.
David Reed: Speak it into existence.
Ryan: But Joe, I'm actually going to say you're going to take down team Scott Rapizotti. Just because I like the fact that you have a couple guys that could go for like 30, 40 points and I could see you taking the victory there. And then I'm gonna give ah us the win over the mics. And then if you get past Scott, I'm actually gonna say that Joe takes down Schluter because I just think Schluter's team's trending a little bit in the wrong direction right now. And I could kind of see a division rivalry rematch of myself and Joe.
Ryan: Maybe I'm just hoping for a podcast championship.
Joey: Yeah, and i my team definitely supports appreciates the support.
Ryan: I don't know, but I could see it happening.
Joey: And my team is fresh off a smacking of Schluter's team's booty cheeks this past this past weekend.
Ryan: shouldn
Joey: So we're ready to we're we're encouraged that we have it in us to take him down.
Ryan: Yeah, i just I think Jamar Chase is on fire right now. I think he's going to keep it going. And I like your quarterbacks. So I could see you pulling it out.
David Reed: He definitely has a fire power, so that's for sure.
Joey: Yeah.
Ryan: Yeah.
David Reed: What about the toilet bowl, the one that I'm hoping to be you know in the championship with when you guys are in yours, so we can all be in something.
Joey: Yeah. So for my toilet bowl, uh, I actually have Dave in the championship against, uh, Harry and Dan and I have Harry and Dan taking down the wind.
David Reed: Ah, of course.
Joey: Sorry.
David Reed: They do have more fire power than I do.
Joey: Uh, Canelo's over Adam BP over the Resinski's and then, uh, you over BP dirty work over Canelo's and then. Dirty Work and Dan DaCosta taking down the Toilet Bowl championship.
Ryan: So I had the same as Joe to start, and then I switched the semis. I have Kanellos over Dirty Work and BP over Dave, and then I i have Kanellos to defend his title.
Joey: Defending toilet chair.
David Reed: We and we'll get into that a second, but I just, you know, so everyone sees what I have. I have canals over Adam too. I think everyone has a, um, I actually have Dave Rosinski's, uh, bros over BP. Uh, and then I have, uh, Harry and Dan being canals, which I think was.
David Reed: I think, Joe, you had that one. And then I'm going to have B beating the Brzezinskis.
Joey: Yep.
David Reed: But of course, if I'm in championship, I am not giving it to Harry and Dan over myself. Get out of here. I am spanking that booty. So I'm going to be in the championship and win that $50.
David Reed: But that leads me into the final thing. We have the final results of our highest score of the year weekly score and the lowest score of the year. So the highest score goes to Clark sauce with a week 11 score of 207 .02. But the lowest score and just a reminder in our league, uh, if you are the lowest score of any week in the year, you have to, uh, fund basically the toilet bowl championship winnings of $50. Um,
David Reed: or so canals could potentially be funding himself if he wins it all as uh i think uh ryan had uh predicted but i'm expecting myself to reap that benefit and canals in week seven had a low low score of 64 .52 um so quite the range we had here from 60 basis 65 to 207 in the week um but yeah congrats to uh the winners and losers there but uh before we part any final thoughts uh going into the playoff weeks
Joey: Now props to Clark sauce for turning it around and they were pretty low in the power rankings to start the season. Didn't start off the season particularly strong either and have just been on an absolute tear lately and are definitely a very formidable team going into the playoffs. So it's definitely a solid performance by them.
Ryan: Yeah, I agree. I had to pick myself, but definitely very worried playing them week one. I feel like or playoffs week one. I feel like they really have the momentum right now and I've turned it around.
Joey: They're hot right now.
David Reed: I mean, let's just remind last year, they had the low score of 33 .8. And they, they started off this year with the first low score two in week one. And they, I think they were the second highest score potentially in the entire league this year. So quite, quite the turnaround there. So, you know, never give up, keep fighting. Good to see there. But with that, good luck to everyone in the playoffs. It's going to be very common for those of the buy and those in the toilet bowl, because who cares?
David Reed: Well, good luck teams.
