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EPISODE 27: DYNASTY TRADE MACHINE!
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The crew catches you up on the happenings through the first 6 weeks of the NFL season, and then jumps into the Dynasty Trade Machine to help provide examples of potential trades that you might look to make in your league! Finally, we let you know what NFL prop bets we'll be riding in week 7! Feel free to help support the podcast as well as finding a book with the best odds for you via our special link: signupexpert.com/nsfw.
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Podcast Comeback and Vegas Stories
00:00:25
dtmr
Well, come in to the NSFW Dynasty Podcast. We are back after a couple of week hiatus because our schedules got blown up, but we are back. I'm your host, Dave Reed, joined by my co-host, Brian Wilksen and Joey Gallo.
00:00:41
Ryan
Took a little break, but we made it back and hopefully we have some good content for you guys.
00:00:48
Joey
Yeah, it's crazy that trying to think back as to like why we weren't weren't able to do the pod the last two weeks. like I know both times it was very valid reasons. And if you ask me if I remember, I'm like, um yeah, I don't really know.
00:01:01
dtmr
Yeah.
00:01:01
Joey
you know it's just life is what Life is very crazy and chaotic right now.
00:01:02
Ryan
life Life got in the way.
00:01:04
dtmr
Yeah.
00:01:06
Joey
But you know we're here on the ah on the eve of my return to Las Vegas after five years.
00:01:11
dtmr
Oof. Forgot about that. Joey died there once.
00:01:14
Joey
Um, it's a big weekend.
00:01:16
Ryan
What was the last time was my bachelor party?
00:01:18
Joey
Yeah.
00:01:19
Ryan
Really?
00:01:19
dtmr
well
00:01:19
Joey
Yeah.
00:01:20
Ryan
Oh, nice.
00:01:20
Joey
Yeah. Five years and, uh, we'll be staying at the same hotel and but basically running it back.
00:01:22
Ryan
There you go.
00:01:25
dtmr
Got to be.
00:01:27
Ryan
Running it back, all right.
00:01:29
dtmr
going to be walking through the same lobby where you lost an eyebrow.
00:01:33
Joey
Yeah, I wish that I could like actually recall the spot so that I could point it out and be like this is exactly where it is, but I have no literal idea where the spot was.
00:01:44
Joey
Maybe when I'm in the moment it will like come back to me.
00:01:47
Ryan
hit.
00:01:48
Joey
I'm i'm like anticipating there's going to be several times over the course of this trip where like just seeing something triggers a memory. ah
00:01:58
Joey
But we will see hopefully. yeah This will be some some good content for you guys to consume before the weekend. And there'll be lots of bets floating around. so
00:02:09
dtmr
For sure, and I'm honestly I feel like this is a coming you full coming full circle again to face your fears of where things went down in Vegas So all all the way back and all the way back and honestly feels like we've come a long way since the last pod we are That's a professional segue
00:02:16
Joey
Yeah, 100%. 100%. It's certainly we've come a long way since then. so
00:02:29
Joey
a lot of a lot has happened
00:02:32
dtmr
A lot
Dynasty League Strategies: Rebuild or Compete?
00:02:33
dtmr
has happened. out We're going to get into everything. We are six weeks in lots of digest. We're going to run through all the different injuries, benchings, trades coming up and and kind of the implications. We're also going to jump in.
00:02:48
dtmr
So a favorite segment from last year, the Dynasty trade machine. Because we're not at that point of the year, and I don't know if you guys agree, but I've already started to make moves.
00:02:56
Joey
A lot has happened.
00:02:57
dtmr
By making the call, like what direction do you think your team's going to go? Especially in Dynasty, this is where you start deciding, am I going forward? Should I start looking through rebuilding? um Personally, even though I started off 3-0, I don't think I got the firepower to really compete this year.
00:03:11
dtmr
So I'm kind of turning into a rebuild mode. So with that in mind, we figured this could be a good time to kind of talk through the strategies and give some examples of trades that we might be doing. But yeah, with that, I figured we'd just jump right in because we got a lot to cover.
00:03:25
dtmr
You guys good with that?
00:03:26
Joey
Yeah, let's do it.
00:03:27
Ryan
Yeah.
00:03:28
dtmr
All right, so we're going to jump in.
Quarterback Updates: Injuries and Changes
00:03:30
dtmr
to each of the positionals here and kind of break down some of the happenings that have happened over the past couple weeks. So at quarterback, Anthony Richardson, looking like he's gonna start this week. He missed the last two weeks with a hit pointer. And Joe Flacco actually got in and looked really good as he did last year. Anthony Richardson kind of looked pretty brutal before he got hurt there too. So we'll see with that how that impacts the whole team, but at least you're hoping for the rushing upside from Anthony Richardson, but there's a lot of other implications when he's starting.
00:04:00
dtmr
Derek Carr went down two weeks ago with an oblique, and Spencer Rattler last week got his first start. Looked decent, um but we'll see what goes on. There's a lot of other injuries on the stands as well. Garner Minshew actually got benched last week for Aiden O'Connell, and Russell Wilson is now trending to be the start of this week, and Justin Fields is going to get benched after starting the season, actually four or two. Probably most ones I think he's had in his entire career.
00:04:27
dtmr
But just a little thing to keep in note, that if Fields plays 51% of the snaps this year, that pick that the Steelers gave up for Fields goes from a 6 to a 4, so maybe some added motivation to bench them there. But with quarterbacks, what are you guys thinking here? And if there's anything else I missed, feel free to add.
00:04:45
Joey
Go ahead, Ry.
00:04:47
Ryan
yeah I was just going to say with fields I really don't get it. You're 4 and 2 and it doesn't feel like Russ Wilson is that much of an upgrade to fields and fields has looked pretty decent and
Running Back Controversies and Injuries
00:04:59
Ryan
the pick is a good point but you're not going to risk your season having that pick go from a 6 to a 4 so I don't really get it. I feel like until the wheels fell off, you know why wouldn't you stick with fields?
00:05:11
Joey
Yeah, it feels like it
00:05:11
Ryan
and
00:05:13
Joey
To me, it feels like a like an upside, like a ceiling type move where um I think they want to see if maybe the ceiling for the team is is higher with Wilson. like I think things are going well with fields. i just don't i don't like I'm not totally sure that they're they're getting through the AFC playoffs with Justin Fields. So I think it's worth it.
00:05:39
Joey
like It's not like he's been they've been winning the games like all on his shoulders, where it's not worth it to at least get a sense for what the offense looks like with Russ. And I guess the earlier you try, the better.
00:05:50
Joey
So that's the that's like the only the only possible justification that I could think of. um I'm not sure that I would have done it either. And it'll be interesting to see how it works out.
00:06:04
Joey
um It's interesting, and like I know nobody cares about
00:06:05
dtmr
Yeah.
00:06:08
Joey
like the things that I bet. ah But last week, ah we Adam and I saw that the Steelers were minus one at home against the Jets on Monday Night Football, like on the look of headline, like before last weekend even happened, and we're going to be in Vegas.
00:06:10
dtmr
and
00:06:24
Joey
And we're just like, oh, yeah, you know, like a guy that we follow on Twitter gave it out. We're like, oh, this looks like a great pick. We should take it. ah So we both took it. So we we both have like a Steelers minus one with Russell Wilson in that game where the Jets are now favored by I think two or three or something like that.
00:06:42
Joey
So um I would I would much rather ah just a field to be out there. And now it's going to be the Jets, the revitalized Jets with Tevante Adams and what have you.
00:06:53
Joey
So I yeah, I just I don't I don't know that I love it. If we're being honest, I i and don't know.
00:06:59
Ryan
Yeah.
00:07:00
Joey
I don't know that I love it as someone as someone who's invested now for this week in the team.
00:07:01
Ryan
i just i I just can't see Wilson being that much better.
00:07:01
dtmr
yeah Yeah.
00:07:06
Joey
um It's almost like I'm a fan and I'm just like, what are we doing here?
00:07:07
dtmr
ah I bet the the Steelers over a win total, because it was at eight and a half, and then it would have been the first time Tomlin did not have have a below 500 season, which I was like, ah until I see it, I'm going to bet the over on that.
00:07:22
dtmr
It's been trending great so far. um i I agree. I think it's the upside play, because Fields has been fine, but he hasn't been Great, especially as a quarterback. He's been rushing a lot. Like for diet life for fantasy, his value's been coming from rushing. He's had two this last week, two two weeks ago and one before that. He's had one like good passing game where I think there was like a lot of points, but he's also playing the c Colts, whose defense kind of stinks.
00:07:47
dtmr
so That I would think it's coming from like we have gotten by with this quarterback, but I don't think fields is one of the game thinks the defense is like elite and that's what's winning the game and fields is just fine to keep the ball moving forward.
00:08:00
dtmr
But you want to try to level up and maybe Russ can do that. Also, you got to say that Russ is more the vet and that you brought him in here to be the starter. If you go with the mantra that like you don't lose your job due to injury, then maybe they are trying to hold firm on that.
00:08:14
dtmr
But I think it's more of an upside.
00:08:14
Joey
Yeah.
00:08:15
dtmr
It's like you. You know, you've seen the ceiling with the fields there and it's not a lot of points that their team is going to be scoring basically.
00:08:25
Joey
Yeah.
00:08:26
dtmr
What about Anthony Richardson coming back?
00:08:28
Joey
Yeah, I was going to ask you for a temperature check on that. I mean, I think that.
00:08:35
Joey
It's a tough situation that the Colts are in, because I think that they probably realized they can win more games this year if they just continue to star Flacco. But is Flacco really going to win them the Super Bowl? Is he the long-term answer?
00:08:45
Joey
And they got to get reps for Richardson. like He needs the reps more than anything else.
00:08:51
dtmr
He has very little reps going back to high school, which is crazy Yeah
00:08:51
Joey
So yeah, he needs like just reps. So i I think they got to just suck it up and and start Richardson at for as long as he's healthy and realizing that that might cost them wins in the interim.
00:09:09
Joey
But yeah.
00:09:11
dtmr
Yeah, I agree. He, uh, Anthony Richardson, he had like, he can make some of the most miraculous throws, but he also makes some of the most boneheaded, brutal throws out there. And hopefully him watching Flacco for a couple of weeks, he's picking up on a couple of things and learning from Flacco. Cause like, if he could.
00:09:26
dtmr
Learn and like start throwing a little bit more like fuck because he has the tools to do it He just again doesn't have the reps to really get it on it I forgot how many games it was but I think he's since high school.
00:09:37
dtmr
I think he started What was it like 16 games since high school, which is crazy? He's an NFL quarterback. He started 16 games bow Knicks on the other hand has like like 60 under his belt like it's crazy and
00:09:49
Joey
Yeah, five feet of start. Yeah.
00:09:51
dtmr
yeah
00:09:52
Ryan
Isn't that like the risk with Richardson, though? I mean, he's literally hurt all the time. So if you're the Colts and he's going to be your long term answer, I feel like you got to be a little bit concerned there. Is he ever going to be healthy for an entire season?
00:10:04
dtmr
I don't think they coach cares cuz he got hurt and then they put him back in the first thing they did was do it all quarterback to raw like that' but what How do you do that And last I just wanna throw cuz I know Jay you were watching him.
00:10:10
Joey
Yeah.
00:10:10
Ryan
Yeah.
00:10:13
Ryan
Yeah, I agree with Joe.
00:10:14
Joey
yeah
00:10:15
Ryan
You know, Flacco is not the long term answer. So you got to see what Richardson can do. But I don't know, I feel like for fantasy purposes it's tough to trust anyone on that team right now.
00:10:29
dtmr
What do you think I spent a right way?
00:10:31
Joey
Um, I thought he actually looked pretty good. I was pretty impressed with what I saw. The running was nice. He was making some good throws there. They were right in the game and they gave it like.
00:10:44
Joey
Their defense is is has not been good.
00:10:46
dtmr
Mm hmm.
00:10:47
Joey
The last couple of weeks, it was real I mean, like last week, it was really bad and they were a team that I was looking at as like a bet on team.
00:10:59
Joey
kind of like thinking well you know like Tampa Bay has has had like a pretty easy schedule and the one time they played a pretty good defense they didn't their offense didn't perform as well so you know now they're like going to New Orleans and New Orleans like the defense was not very impressive so that's that I mean we'll see what happens tomorrow night but and you know it's a good defense I think but I was I'm far more like well I mean things are literally like falling apart at the seams for their offense, too, in terms of health, which I'm sure we'll get to in the wide receiver section.
00:11:34
Joey
But, yeah, it's not it's not good.
00:11:34
dtmr
Yeah. Tomorrow night's game is going to be ugly.
00:11:37
Joey
The vibes in New Orleans are B-A-D at this current moment.
00:11:40
dtmr
It's going to be an ugly game tomorrow.
00:11:41
Joey
Yeah.
00:11:42
dtmr
I don't even think I want to watch tomorrow.
00:11:43
Joey
yeah
00:11:45
dtmr
He was, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't he like the number one QB prospect by coming out of high school at one point? He was like, I know he's on that show QB one, but I thought he also was like one of, if not number one, one of the top prospects going to college.
00:11:59
Joey
he was what was his I think he was the god I'm gonna like I'm gonna get this wrong and he was I think he was originally the starting quarterback at Oklahoma under um the hell's his name the coach no uh who's now who who went to USC with uh Caleb Williams what the hell's his name
00:12:11
dtmr
Yeah, he was.
00:12:15
dtmr
Was it her to beat him out? Oh, I forget his name.
00:12:23
dtmr
Yeah, I'm sorry. I forget. I know. I see his face. I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:12:28
Joey
Yeah, somewhere, Adams, just like, come on, Joe.
00:12:28
dtmr
I think he has a visor a lot. Yeah, I know. Adam will be a medal here.
00:12:31
Joey
ah um But it was like he and Caleb were the two quarterbacks at Oklahoma like during that period of time.
00:12:37
dtmr
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:40
Joey
And um then he went, where did he go after that? he transferred He transferred, not Arkansas.
00:12:48
dtmr
Arkansas Yeah, so I degrees that's what I'm getting he has the pedigree so he just kind of fell off and he also I think he
00:12:50
Joey
He transferred and had a pretty, I think it was in at another SEC school, though. He transferred and had a pretty good senior year. And like the the pedigree is certainly there. Yeah.
00:13:07
dtmr
People don't like him. He's kind of a annoying and douchebag, but anyway Yeah, sorry Spencer don't listen to the pop please Run over to running backs.
00:13:12
Joey
Sorry Spencer.
00:13:19
dtmr
This is quite the laundry lawyer So I'm just gonna start off with a positive and then jump in some nice Joe makes in these back after mixing a couple of weeks and thank God because the Texas need them and Devon Singletary has missed the past two weeks with a groin, but Tyron Tracy Jr.
00:13:33
dtmr
baby has been stepping up and looking great. James Cook missed last week, another rookie. Ray Davis stepped up and looked great going against that jet ski on Monday night. Rashad White also missed, which gave Bucky Irving a a starting opportunity.
00:13:46
dtmr
He looked solid, but Sean Tucker Stole the show a lot of became in garbage time, but he was the running back one on a week last week For all the Syracuse fans out there. We all we all know shin Tucker and we he was a Yeah, he was a top prospect a lot of people thought he would be a top five running back one of the draft We have I think it was like heart issues going in Yeah
00:13:57
Ryan
Go Q's.
00:14:03
Ryan
Yeah, until he had that heart issue, he was gonna get drafted high, so.
00:14:06
dtmr
But he's great, so mean maybe he's coming back. And he was someone a lot of people took a shot on last year, and it just didn't really work out. And it looks like maybe he's he's getting a role now. Jonathan Taylor has missed the last two weeks with a high ankle sprain. Trey Sermon and Goodson got the work this past week. Goodson actually shows a lot more bursts in Sermon, so someone to keep an eye on.
00:14:26
dtmr
Travis Etienne got hurt again this shoulder early in the game and miss the rest of the game and You would think tanks big D would get all the work, but he actually did it was the owners Johnson We got the bulk of work there, which is kind of interesting to see that breakdown there, especially take he's been good for multiple weeks from Robinson Jr.
00:14:43
dtmr
Miss last week. After we got the start, that there wasn't much rushing going against the Ravens. Jordan Mason got knocked out with a shoulder AC joint injury. He's trying to get back in just enough for Mike Boone's parlay to hit and then came right back out.
00:14:58
Joey
Haha.
00:14:59
dtmr
And Isaac Arendo actually took over and broke up a big run at the end of that game. Kajae Spears has a hamstring, potentially out this week. And Tony Collard's going to get all the work. Jerome Ford got knocked out of the game in that running back situation. And all of the Browns in general is a mess. But McChub should be back this week. Forming out some work. Pierre Strong was getting getting involved. so It's kind of a situation I'm personally trying to avoid and divine agent who got the cuss two weeks ago had to buy was a full participant practice this week So should be going again. They got most are back in general, right? I should look good as well two weeks ago So a lot of a lot of backs to be there, but no those long lists But feel free to jump in if I missed any but also who would you like to talk about that? I just touched upon
00:15:44
Joey
um I'll throw in the Buffalo backfield um or a comment on the Buffalo backfield. It seems like it's a possibility. What I was seeing on Twitter when that first happened was like one to two weeks, so it is possible that Cook misses again and I feel like. um All three of their running backs are are really good, so there you know I I ah do think like I picked up Ray Davis in one league and I and I might hang on to him for a little bit just in case because.
00:16:12
Joey
ah Yeah, he was pretty impressive.
00:16:14
Ryan
He looked good, yeah, he looked really good.
00:16:15
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
00:16:15
Joey
Yeah.
00:16:16
dtmr
Yeah, that's right.
00:16:17
Ryan
um So no reason to rush James Cook back either if you're the Bills. So I could see Ray Davis getting another game and then also having some value after this week.
00:16:21
Joey
Yeah.
00:16:26
Joey
yeah
00:16:26
Ryan
And and then you know opposite end of that, the Rashad White, Bucky Irving, Sean Tucker situation, I feel like is just a mess. I don't i't really think you could start any of the three right now with confidence because who knows who's going to actually get the ball.
00:16:42
Ryan
And David's like you said earlier, I feel like white got hurt and that opened the door and now there's no way he gets the full starting job back. And I think even the coach came out and said, Tucker deserves more work.
00:16:53
Ryan
So that's going to be a ah ah rotating probably hot hand situation that you don't want anything to do with.
00:16:53
dtmr
but for sure.
00:16:59
dtmr
and And that's something in general that I've noticed. and I feel like it happens at the running back position more than any other position just because that's more of a position born of just a Kind of a bit like getting the opportunity, uh, like that's what you need. If you don't have opportunity, you're not going to have value. If you get hurt and then a backup back show value, more likely than not, you're going to not going to get the same workload when you come back. So if you miss multiple weeks, it could hurt your outlook beyond when you come back, depending on what those backups look like. So something just to think about, but like Rashad was the exact example, like his whole value came from his sheer workload.
00:17:36
dtmr
Bucky ever started eating to it before he got hurt. He got hurt. Now, Sean Tucker is nipping at the buds. It's gonna be hard to see like white really bringing back value going forward. Yeah, I wanna shout out.
00:17:47
Ryan
what do you What do you think about the the Giants? Do you think Singletary comes back and and just takes over the job again?
00:17:49
dtmr
Yeah.
00:17:51
dtmr
Ryan, you've read my mind because that's what I was gonna jump in on this time around Tracy. Not just because I own them everywhere and I am a giant fan. No, because that is exactly the type of position. I don't see how you don't use Tracy going forward.
00:18:04
dtmr
And Tracy, A lot of the people in the dynasty community got like, like them. He's a converted wide receiver. He's only played running back for a year. So you were thinking, dev ah Devin, Devin, the Terry's in a, he's okay. Like he's not explosive and he's okay catching a ball, but like you need a more explosive, uh, uh, receiving back on that team. And Tracy seemed to fit that mold. And what we've seen out of the last two weeks is he can definitely do that. And he's got some juice coming out of the backfield as well. He looks pretty good for a guy who's only played the position for a year.
00:18:33
dtmr
So, Singletary has been solid. I still think he'll be the lead back, but you got to get Tracy more touches, I think, going forward in mixing things in. I don't know if you guys agree or not, but I'm very excited about what I've seen out of Tracy so far.
00:18:48
Ryan
Yeah, no, I agree. And I think that's why it's so so hard to value running backs in Dynasty now because, you know, one little injury happens and a rookie steps up or something like that. And all of a sudden it's a 50 50 timeshare or something. And so it's definitely interesting. But yeah, I mean, Tracy's got to get some work going forward if you're the Giants.
00:19:09
dtmr
How you feeling about, oh, sorry, Joe, you jumping first.
00:19:09
Joey
Yeah. No, I was going to say, if no if no if nowhere else than in the passing game, they can incorporate him. They could still bring Singletary back and have Tracy in there as a passing down back and get him like
00:19:20
dtmr
Yeah.
Running Back Depth and Trade Talks
00:19:21
Joey
three, four, five targets a game.
00:19:23
Joey
So.
00:19:25
dtmr
Yeah, I agree. And then what about the Jags run it back situation? Cause that to me is another one that I just like, I can't figure out how to value any of these players are like, who's going up, who's going down. It's I'm.
00:19:36
dtmr
I'm glad I don't really have too many shares of any of them, but what do you guys think?
00:19:40
Joey
If I had to own any one of them right now, I would prefer that it be Bigsby um because he's looked pretty good and Dernis Johnson is ah in the twilight of his career and ETN just doesn't seem like he has the longevity that you'd like to see. So for me in Dynasty, it would be Bigsby. Even in Redraft, I almost kind of feel like Although Darnes got the work last week, I'd probably rather have Bigsby rest of season. um Not to say that ETN is going to be out the rest of the season, but ETN wasn't doing shit even before he got hurt. So um yeah, that's but's my take. It's it's probably an avoid. I'm starting Darnes in a desperation situation in one league, but I'm not happy about it. So I think it's probably, I think I'd probably rather just not start anybody on jackson and Jacksonville's running bedroom.
00:20:35
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, Johnson is definitely the one I would want the least, but sometimes you just gotta to start him.
00:20:41
dtmr
I think you put up a decent amount of Fabbit on that one, Joe, if I recall.
00:20:44
Joey
Well, I mean, I'm desperate. I definite yeah i'd started fucking...
00:20:47
Ryan
he He said desperate.
00:20:50
Joey
Who did I start in that week, this past week?
00:20:51
dtmr
Oh,
00:20:52
Joey
ah um the the The Washington scat back behind Austin Echler.
00:20:57
dtmr
oh yeah, McNichols.
00:21:00
Joey
Yeah, Mick Nichols.
00:21:03
dtmr
che brutaltle
00:21:03
Joey
In a 12-team league, I literally...
00:21:04
Ryan
Yeah you are you desperate.
00:21:06
Joey
Literally started McNichols in my RB2 slot.
00:21:08
dtmr
oh my god think about how many dynasty leagues are not starting uh dearest johnson and joe's dropping fab to start would have been embarrassing oh man
00:21:13
Joey
yeah I did drop that. I actually lowered my bid too. Originally bid like 20 and then I lowered it down to 15. Yeah.
00:21:29
dtmr
Well, we'll move over to the wide receivers now. So one player, obviously, I think, if you're playing dynasty, you know this already, but we haven't got to speak about it yet, is Rashid Rice. He's out for the year with an LCL injury. Mahomes just took out his knee. And Juju actually stepped up in the game for the bye and looked pretty good in that role. I did bet his over yards. He blew past it.
00:21:55
dtmr
Juju was like the original ah big power slot, so he he knows that role very well, and that's where Rice was succeeding. So Juju seems to seemly slide into it. Obviously, he's not as explosive, but we'll see how that goes going forward. Malik Neighbors, who and even before ah last week, he missed the last two weeks, but before last week, even missing a game, he still led the league in Target. So Malik Neighbors has been like a revelation. He's insane. Should hopefully be back this week, and heat they're playing the Eagles with secondary kind of stank.
00:22:24
dtmr
If Neighbors is in, you know I'm going to be probably laddering his yards, so we'll see how that goes. Christian Watson, looked like he was going to miss multiple weeks, also because he's Christian Watson, but he somehow came back and played last week and scored a touchdown. Then Dontavian Wicks actually got forced out with a shoulder, might miss, but multiple weeks now. Brandon Cook is going to talk about he's out on IRR with a knee infection.
00:22:49
dtmr
I don't even know how that happened. I didn't have an injury and his knee just got infected, which is just gross to me. But Jalen Tolbert is stepping up, who I think is a second or third year wide receiver, looking pretty good. Marvin Harrison Jr., this is like, I feel like the story of this past week is just like early concussions that just ruined your week.
00:23:05
Joey
Yeah.
00:23:05
dtmr
Marvin Harrison Jr. got concussed and didn't have any catches currently except near. Chris Olave got concussed early and fumbled so got your negative points. They have a Thursday night game so he's already out ah rolled out for this week. Rashid Shahid has a meniscus surgery going on and determining if it's a tear I mean excuse me if if it's a just trimming it or fully fixing it which I don't really understand how trimming you I don't get meniscus surgery, but trimming sounds weird to me. They do that like, Oh, I'll just trim it and we're good now. Uh, but if you trim it, he'll be back in, um, a matter of weeks. He'll come back this season, but he'll definitely miss a lot of time. If it's a full, uh, surgery, then he's out for the year. So up in the air to see what happens there. But that makes, as Joey was alluded to before, the.
00:23:52
dtmr
holes, uh, saints offense looking pretty dim. Um, and then finally, uh, Nico Collins, we didn't get to talk about either. He got placed in IR. He scored a touchdown with great. I actually hammered, uh, his 110, uh, receiving yards. I was like 76 yard touchdown, like early on, this is going to be great. And he looked fine. Then all of a sudden he was just celebrating them walking into a blue tent.
00:24:14
dtmr
and he got hurt, questionable come back, didn't come back, and he was day to day, then week to week, and now IRON. So that escalated quickly. But he, before he went out, he's looking like he might be ascending to like that top like seven wide receiver status currently, so. And then following a throw in, not a wide receiver, but Dallas Goddard had a hamstring and he's looking week to week right now. Honestly, the wide receivers on the Eagles came back, so i'm not sure how useful he was gonna be anymore, but was,
00:24:42
dtmr
This Titan landscape is pretty brutal, so any Titan that you can get, you hate to see the loss. But which of these guys would you guys want to dig into further?
00:24:52
Joey
I mean, for neighbors, I was actually pretty happy to see the Giants held him out last week. And if they wanted to continue to hold him out, you know like that was like that was a pretty, like it seemed like he was pretty rattled from that concussion.
00:25:06
dtmr
Yeah, he did not look good.
00:25:06
Joey
So yeah, so I'm glad that he missed the two weeks. And I kind of hope that if he's on the fence, they just hold him out. i like the
00:25:16
dtmr
You did go to a concert though, didn't you? I heard a lot of...
00:25:20
Joey
Yeah, he they somebody saw him somewhere, right? I, I, the, the overwork, the overworking situation with neighbors is definitely something that I'm actually like mildly concerned about.
00:25:22
dtmr
Yeah, it was like a rap concert. People were like flipping out of it.
00:25:32
dtmr
Yeah.
00:25:33
Joey
Um, like I don't, I'd rather he not lead the league in targets on our. Like three win team, three and 15. We're going to go three and 15. And we're going to like take, yeah, we're going to take like years off this guy's like life and career because we thrown it to him like 16 times a game.
00:25:42
dtmr
While missing a week.
00:25:50
Joey
in losing effort. So i like I disagree with that approach. So that I feel like if...
00:25:57
dtmr
Yeah. When we said we want a million targets, we're like, that's hyperbole. We're not like, we don't really.
00:26:00
Joey
Yeah.
00:26:01
dtmr
like This ran too hard.
00:26:01
Joey
Yeah.
00:26:02
Ryan
You got your wish.
00:26:02
Joey
Yeah.
00:26:05
Joey
yeah
00:26:06
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, a lot of concussions. Hopefully a lot of these guys are back soon. Neighbors Harrison, Olave. So, you know, Nico Collins, I feel like a little concerning because like you said, it kind of seemed like it came out of nowhere and just kept getting worse and worse. So hopefully it's not more than three weeks, but um we'll see where he ends up. Yeah. And then i'm I'm curious what you guys think about the Green Bay wide receivers. I feel like that's another situation where It's tough to start any one week to week, because it's like always up and down.
00:26:35
dtmr
Well, Jaden Reed, always Jaden Reed.
00:26:37
Ryan
yeah But like that's the thing. You got Reed, you got Wix, you got Watson, you got Dobbs. it's like There's four of them kind of rotating the the big weeks. Reed has been more consistent, but it's it's ah it's a crowded room.
00:26:48
dtmr
Reed's my dude. I'm the big Reed guy. ah want I want that on the record.
00:26:54
Ryan
I think we know that's on the record.
00:26:55
Joey
yeah Yeah. and I mean, look, like Christian Watson is going to is a little sneaky right now. I feel like he's being slightly undervalued because he went out hurt already. um But when he's been out there, I mean, he had a big catch last week for a touchdown and especially with Wicks like getting hurt himself, like Christian Watson is sneaky.
00:27:18
dtmr
He's your upside play like I like having him if you can put him in like a flex or double flex where you just need that upside shot if he's Actually like your wide receiver too. It's a little Unselling just because he has such big downside, but he can blow up for sure And we'll see now that there's no wicks potentially that target sure comes out of note It's not on here.
00:27:39
dtmr
Tucker craft was banged up. So maybe more targets go to Watson, but it's really it's read you want Jaden Reed. That's what we want here guys And that but in general to one thing I've been noticing I know Ronnie said to like what is going on with all concussions I thought they got new helmets at the the front like why are there so many pop it up?
00:27:48
Joey
Yeah. I'm with you.
00:28:01
Ryan
They all gotta wear those so was caps, ah you know?
00:28:01
dtmr
i feel like Yeah, yeah, well the Guardian cap is it yeah
00:28:06
Ryan
The guardian cap, yeah.
00:28:07
Joey
Yeah.
00:28:07
Ryan
They need me to start wearing those.
00:28:09
dtmr
It's crazy I also why don't they why doesn't it just where I know they don't look that great but like who what are we doing here?
00:28:11
Joey
yeah
00:28:16
Joey
Yeah, like you may as well just have have it be like a requirement, you know. Yeah.
00:28:22
dtmr
I know people are like yeah, they got like an exception to wear something to make sure they don't get a concussion That seems crazy
00:28:28
Joey
Yeah.
00:28:29
Ryan
Neighbors isn't too worried, he's out at concerts.
00:28:31
dtmr
I know, I know. It's classic giants. Aside from the injuries and and and benching, there was a couple other major news I want to touch upon. The biggest one that broke right after, basically, when Michaelin didn't even get off the field after he got intercepted with a passcode in his way, the the judge traded for Devontae Adams.
00:28:50
Ryan
Dude, he looks so bad.
00:28:53
Joey
Yeah, also got concussed on that play.
00:28:55
dtmr
Also got because, yes.
00:28:56
Ryan
yeah
00:28:56
Joey
We didn't mention him, but he blew he blew the game and got a concussion at the same time.
00:28:57
Ryan
like you did yeah
00:29:01
Joey
So good job by you, Mike Williams.
00:29:02
dtmr
I'm not sure. I think he faked that. I think he faked that concussion. He looked down and he's like, oh no. I don't believe that was a real concussion. I like the um and don't typically like to joke about this type of stuff, but like that seemed too convenient.
00:29:11
Ryan
there
00:29:15
Ryan
it Really was the whole game every time he got thrown the ball Just something horrible happened like he looked so bad.
00:29:24
dtmr
Oh.
00:29:25
Ryan
I
00:29:25
dtmr
And it was fine too, because then after they got out, they were like, hey, we're looking to trade them now. I'm like, you are looking to take them behind the shed. Can we send him to the Browns as punishment just for what it is? But what do you guys think about that? How does it impact all the Jets, the key Jet players?
00:29:48
Joey
i think it's i well first of all i think it's probably the best for adam himself
00:29:52
dtmr
Yes, definitely.
00:29:53
Ryan
Yeah, you you have to be pumped if you're an Adam's owner.
00:29:53
Joey
like yeah the rest
00:29:56
dtmr
Yeah.
00:29:57
Joey
like um Garrett Wilson will not lead the league in targets, I think as he currently is. But again, like i I probably prefer that if I'm a Jets fan because like i'd just I don't ah just don't think you want, you prefer like your young wide receivers to be getting hit 15 to 20 times a game. So ah they can if they can more evenly distribute things. um they Rogers and and Adams have but have a historical good connection in the red zone so that's slightly concerning from a value standpoint for Wilson but Adams is like on the older side and he he's mostly the same Adams as the last time these two were together in Green Bay but it's been a couple years so I mean I'm excited for Adams but i'm I wouldn't be like running to trade Garrett Wilson right now either.
00:30:49
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, long-term, I get your view.
00:30:50
dtmr
It.
00:30:53
Ryan
I do think, you know, he had a good start to the season and I'd be a little concerned if I was holding him and he was my, you know, top one or two receivers right now.
00:31:02
Joey
Yeah.
00:31:02
Ryan
Cause I don't know. You just, we've even seen it with Lazard. You have to imagine Rogers is just gonna pepper Adams nonstop here and you know, they have that connection. So I'd be concerned for this season, but like you said, long, long-term, I think Wilson will be fine.
00:31:18
dtmr
Well depends on who the quarterback is beyond forward.
00:31:19
Ryan
here Yeah, I was going to say, Wilson hasn't been great up until now, the last few games anyways.
00:31:20
dtmr
So like Yeah, Wilson is a wide receiver too to me that's like he was already trending that way to begin with and like this kind of sealed the fate for me that like I just don't see the wide receiver like a wide receiver one or top 12 upside in him now is that his value to this point was because he got a stupid amount of targets. Like he wasn't doing a lot with his targets. He got 20 something targets and only got like 10 receptions on it. He got like 22 targets. So like he needed that volume to be useful. Now that that is not there as much anymore. So, and you know that Adams is going to be the number one target once like he's fully ramped up. So I just,
00:32:05
dtmr
I'm sure there'll be games where Wilson has like big games like that's that happens to like every wide receiver and obviously he won't always get the primary cornerback but I just I personally think you just have to lower your expectations for Wilson and then even going forward he didn't look like a true alpha and the quarterback like long term now like You don't know who's going to be after Rogers. And now that Rogers is here, Devonta Adams is going to be with you as well that whole time. So just don't see the ceiling case for Wilson anymore. I don't know if you guys, if I'm too pessimistic on it, but like, again, I'm not trading him. I just, if you can get like a top 10 wide receiver, I probably would flip Wilson for that. Like I would trade Wilson for London easily. Like I don't know if that's something you guys, but I think a year ago, like you would never do that, but I would rather have London than Wilson.
00:32:52
Joey
Yeah, I agree.
00:32:53
Ryan
Yeah, I would. I do agree. I think Wilson's been trending down. There is some argument that maybe Adams comes in and he thrives a little more as a wide receiver too. But like you said, if that's what he's meant to be, then you know he's not going to have that top 10 value.
00:33:08
dtmr
Yeah, and obviously Rogers, I think his upside increased a little bit for any, especially SuperFlexi, if he's your QB2, doesn't hurt. And and then Breeze hopefully has a little bit softer boxes to run against.
00:33:22
dtmr
So maybe he gets a little upside of the rushing attempts. Another big trade. It was almost like right after the Jets made that, the Bills who beat the Jets were like, yeah, we also didn't like how we looked.
00:33:32
dtmr
We're going to level up as well.
00:33:33
Joey
private Yeah.
00:33:33
dtmr
And they made a trade and got a Mari Cooper. So they finally, finally have a true wide receiver, one of the team for Josh Allen, um, which desperately needed, but what do you think the implications on, uh, on getting Cooper to the bills is also, what about, uh, I actually, I want to step back.
00:33:48
Ryan
i mean
00:33:51
dtmr
What do you think about anything on the Raider side from losing Adams other than Brock Bowers? You're just going to be the tight end one goose
00:33:59
Joey
Hopefully Trey Tucker.
00:34:01
dtmr
last week, right?
00:34:03
Joey
Yeah, he.
00:34:05
dtmr
now jo trick
00:34:05
Joey
No, no, no, yeah, I mean like and maybe like a little Jacobi Myers here and there like between the two of them.
00:34:11
Ryan
I was gonna say Myers could maybe you know get a lot of targets and have some value now but I
00:34:12
Joey
Yeah.
00:34:16
Ryan
I don't know, I wouldn't trust anyone too much on that team right now.
00:34:21
dtmr
Yeah, I'm avoiding that team but back to Mari Cooper and the bells
00:34:24
Ryan
But yeah, I mean, for for Cooper, you're obviously super pumped if you've been holding on to him.
00:34:24
dtmr
no
00:34:30
Ryan
and True wide receiver, one role now with Josh Allen, doesn't get much better. And i I don't know if it really affects any of the wide receivers value too much that we're already on the bills, just because I feel like we kind of already knew none of them were a real true wide receiver one anyways. And it's not like any of them have been crushing it and now Cooper's going to come in and and take that work. None of them have really been thriving, I guess. Chicker's been decent, but you know, I don't know if his value decreases that much with Cooper coming in because it wasn't that high to begin with.
00:35:06
Joey
Yeah, no, he's young. He's still got it. I actually, I think it's good news for him. It's probably bad news for Keon Coleman, who hasn't really seized the opportunity and yeah.
00:35:15
dtmr
Correct, yeah. Yeah, I think Shakir, his upside's probably down on a little bit, but in general, I'm not too worried. and He can play in the slot a little bit, and Cooper can hopefully make defenses stay back a little bit more, open up the middle of the field.
00:35:28
dtmr
But yeah, Keon Coleman's one eye. I did i was concerned with Keon Coleman going into the draft season, and he I think part of this trade happened because the Bills realized, like, we can't operate with Keon Coleman as the number one outside x receiver.
00:35:40
Ryan
Yeah.
00:35:46
dtmr
Like he he's good for one or two, like jump ball targets again.
00:35:46
Ryan
yeah
00:35:50
dtmr
Maybe they'll be in the end zone or not, but I think this kind of just like, if you were thinking you got a wide receiver one linked up to Josh Allen, that's not happening. Cooper's totally taking that role.
00:36:00
Ryan
No.
00:36:01
dtmr
But we'll say, I think this brings the upside on Cooper.
00:36:01
Ryan
what are what are your thoughts on yeah What are your thoughts on Cooper? like How high would you value him now?
00:36:06
dtmr
Well, he's older, right? What is he, like 30?
00:36:11
Joey
He's not that old. He, I mean, like he's older, but he's like, he's one of those like sneaky young guys.
00:36:17
dtmr
I feel like he's been in the lead for, I feel like he was like 23 for like five years.
00:36:20
Ryan
He's 30. He's 30.
00:36:21
Joey
Yeah.
00:36:22
dtmr
He's 30. Yeah, he got there.
00:36:23
Joey
Yeah. So like, I think his, I think his upside is high on Buffalo.
00:36:24
dtmr
He aged out.
00:36:29
dtmr
Yeah, I agree.
Trades Impacting Team Dynamics
00:36:30
Joey
He's like, he could conceivably have another like. You know one or two and a half like good strong years in Buffalo here, which is not nothing.
00:36:42
Joey
It's in one of the best offenses of football.
00:36:43
Ryan
Yeah.
00:36:44
Joey
It's it's pretty solid. So if you have him, you're.
00:36:47
dtmr
Yeah. I mean, the targets he was getting from Watson, which were disgusting.
00:36:48
Joey
Pretty excited.
00:36:52
dtmr
He now gets like one of the best quarterbacks in the league, um, with a cannon of an arm. Um, yeah. And I think this obviously like helps Josh Allen. about too like That was, we saw like a very, very low floor coming out of Josh Allen a couple of queries, which was like, was brutal.
00:37:06
Joey
yeah
00:37:08
dtmr
It was very low, which you were not used to seeing. I think getting Cooper and raising that floor again, because he has somebody can actually throw it in. I think the whole offense will operate a bit better now.
00:37:19
Ryan
Yeah. Agreed.
00:37:20
dtmr
What about on the other side, ah the Browns losing Cooper?
00:37:26
Ryan
Sh-shit shell there.
00:37:28
dtmr
Yeah.
00:37:28
Joey
Yeah, and from a fantasy standpoint, it's until they make a change of quarterback, it's it's like I'm not.
00:37:28
Ryan
I mean, uh.
00:37:36
Joey
I'm not like suddenly all in on Jerry Judy.
00:37:39
dtmr
Did you see the tweet on it?
00:37:39
Joey
a
00:37:41
dtmr
I know the ball is mentioned, but I still have the tweet too. They're like, Jerry Judy has with this trade with Mark Cooper has risen in my rankings from the wide receiver 53 to the wide receiver 51.
00:37:53
dtmr
It's not really moving.
00:37:54
Joey
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:57
dtmr
David Ninjoku does get interesting again from the tight end, just because like you saw him dominate last year. Grant did his flacko just by getting a lot of targets. You got to assume he gets more targets now. And you don't need a lot to be good at as a tight end. So that's someone whom I'm maybe a little bummed to. But aside from that, that team just dumps their fire.
00:38:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:23
dtmr
One other small trade just throw it out there. Cam Acres got traded to the Vikings. he Back to the Vikings, I believe. I believe he was there before. So not really much to do there. I think it's just a depth play. But just to know that he will not be a fill-in for when joe if Joe Mixon gets hurt again because he was not getting that role. Except for maybe one game.
00:38:43
Joey
Yeah, it's also like is it an indication that maybe Aaron Jones is more hurt than they're leading on? I don't know. Like I'm not. I didn't get a chance to like properly look at Aaron Jones updates today, but when I saw that. Move that trade happen. I'm like is there like is Aaron Jones missing more time than I thought so like I wonder if that's like reading between the tea leaves like maybe Aaron Jones is like more injured at.
00:39:07
dtmr
Yeah. I mean, teams typically make moves like that when that is the case.
00:39:11
Joey
Yeah.
00:39:11
dtmr
Um, but they also probably need more because I don't know if they had anyone really behind Ty Chandler. So we'll say, but if anything that maybe limits the hope that you had with Ty Chandler getting a ton of work, if Jones goes down.
00:39:18
Joey
Yeah.
00:39:25
dtmr
So if anyone, I think it hurts Chandler's value the most, but I wouldn't worry too much about his acres. I don't know if he hasn't anymore. And another running back who got signed, we so we knew Pacheco went down, the experiment with Steel, and P. Ryan was not really working out. They got Cream Hunt. And Hunt actually looked great in this last game before the buy. He had, I think, like 20 touches or 20 rushes and had over 100 yards in the touchdown. So he looked great getting some work.
00:39:57
dtmr
do How do you view this workload looking going ahead now, if and when Pacheco comes back this year? It's still up in the air if he comes back this year, but if he comes back this year, Pacheco's getting like 80% of the touches. Do you think he gets that level? Where's your confidence?
00:40:13
Joey
Probably. I think he gets his job back. I mean, I think it'll be almost entirely Kareem Hunt between now and then. And then when Pacheco comes back, it'll be not the same volume of Pacheco that it was, but probably pretty close to it, right? Like, I mean, Kareem Hunt is in the twilight of his career. And if they could, if they could bridge the gap from now until when Pacheco comes back with Hunt successfully,
00:40:43
Joey
Without him getting hurt, like I think that would be great for them.
00:40:46
dtmr
Okay.
00:40:47
Ryan
Yeah, I agree.
00:40:48
Joey
So.
00:40:49
Ryan
I mean, at least next year, I think Pacheco goes back to what he was this year before he got hurt.
00:40:54
dtmr
Yeah, I mean, Hunt will, I think, be 30 next year, so hopefully Pacheco gets that job, especially because I'm a new owner of Pacheco. I actually own him in a lot of leagues, so I really need that. Anyway, any other major trends or things you guys want to call out before getting to the next segment?
00:41:12
Ryan
No, not really.
00:41:14
dtmr
All right, so I think it's time that we dial up the Dynasty trade machine. Don't really have it dropped, but this would be when I would hit it if I did.
00:41:22
Joey
Yeah, so we're back. This is one of our one of our favorite segments from last year's and I think last year when we did the trade machine we didn't have ride dog on the pod with us so happy to have
00:41:34
dtmr
Mm-hmm.
00:41:34
Ryan
Yeah, I think I missed that one.
00:41:36
Joey
right in here this time. So basically what we're gonna do is I shift up um three different um potential trades for our league, um just involving a couple of the different teams and basically wanna know what your guys thought is, like who says yes, who says no, if you agree with the logic and yeah, so let's jump right in. So first one in the three pack,
00:42:05
Joey
of dynasty and NSFW dynasty trades is team Clark sauce trades JK Dobbins to team Canelo's for Marshawn Lloyd.
00:42:25
Joey
And I have two versions of this one. So it's either JK Dobbins for Marshawn Lloyd straight up, or it's JK Dobbins and Tyler Algier in a package for Lad McConkie. And so the logic here is, um and I want to know what you think about the deal for each side. The logic is,
00:42:51
Joey
If I'm team Clark, i I'm I'm trying to trade Dobbins to a contender as soon as humanly possible, right? Because he's an expiring asset and somebody can use him this year who's going for it and he's serving no purpose on a team that is not contending so.
00:43:05
dtmr
Mm hmm.
00:43:06
Joey
Canellis is a team that could use some running back help and um has a couple good young backs like I think ah I think a Dobbins for Lloyd swap kind of makes sense just from like a.
00:43:21
Joey
you know potential. like you got You kind of got to like roll the dice and like you know buy a couple lottery tickets in Dynasty. and I feel like with Lloyd, you're kind of buying a lottery ticket. um Josh Jacobs did just sign a contract but you know when and Lloyd has not given shown any ability to stay healthy. but um you know I think that there's like there's definitely upside there. And Kanellis also is very flush with young wide receivers, as we've discussed several times. right So like someone like McConkie is dispensable for him. And we don't know what McConkie can or will be, but there's upside there. right So like giving up someone like Dobbins and Algier, who are probably more valuable in the near term than McConkie,
00:44:13
Joey
but not definitely not as valuable in the long term. That was kind of my logic there. So what do you guys think about that one? Who do you think said no to that trade?
00:44:21
Ryan
and
00:44:23
Ryan
So my take, if you were talking Dobbins for Lloyd straight up, I would rather actually have Dobbins, I think. And I know it's crazy to say, you know, from six months ago, but I think I actually would rather have Dobbins. So if I was Kanellos, you know, I completely agree with your logic. I would take that trade, but I don't think I would do it if I was Clark Sauce. But when you change it and you add in Lad,
00:44:54
Ryan
and an LGR, then I would take the lead side.
00:44:59
dtmr
Yeah, I'm in the same thing. I personally, I have like, I don't care for it. I don't think they'll be very valuable in general. So like I would rather have dobbins and I don't think I would personally be targeting Lloyd and giving up an asset like that.
00:45:07
Ryan
yeah
00:45:12
dtmr
But the other option throughout there, I actually really liked that for both sides. I think that's a really good trade for both teams there because The clerk shows they need a wide receiver.
00:45:24
dtmr
That's what they may need the upside.
00:45:24
Joey
Yeah.
00:45:26
dtmr
And this is someone who an expendable asset to canals big time, like lads likely that can be breaking out his line up too many times. but the amount of wide receivers and young wide receivers he has going forward.
00:45:38
dtmr
I think he's going to be his like wide receiver of what, like six right now at best.
00:45:41
Joey
Right.
00:45:43
dtmr
But he does need running backs now and going forward. And Jacob Dobbins has been great, I think will be good for this year. Tyler Gere is like a very sneaky and I was actually, I'm glad your brother's out because this is someone I actually have been forming an opinion.
00:45:56
dtmr
in daante Yeah, getting interested in because he is actually pretty good.
00:45:57
Joey
Weirdly interested in. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:00
dtmr
He's very involved. I actually, uh, when we get into the bet later, I'm betting on him. He's one of my best because I think he is just very undervalued in general. He's a great runner. He's definitely involved in here and he's he I think he holds the record for the most rushing yards or at least for the Falcons rushing yards by Ricky right back He's 24 and a half years old I but the thing is he might be someone who gets like another contract when there's Ricky contracts out I think he has long-term potential but no one views him like that everyone views him is just like a back of the Bijon but he's
00:46:32
dtmr
very good and I think another team is going to see that at some point and he won't be behind the genre forever. So I see this as like ah it's a worthwhile bet to give up lab because it's not like you're just playing for just now with the running back. There is this upside that LG are potentially becoming something in the future. So in general, I actually think this is a smart move by both teams. So great job, Joe. I actually like really, really like that trade.
00:46:55
Joey
Nice. All right. So moving on to number trade number two in our three pack. Uh, this is going to be a fun one.
00:47:06
Joey
So we have, we have team Rosinski trading to a tug of Lola.
00:47:14
dtmr
It has to be a one for one if it's that team. He doesn't do anything else.
00:47:17
Joey
All right. It's it's kind of a one for one. Matt Rosinski trading it to a tug of Lola to team Harry and Acosta in exchange for Bryce young. And a 2025 second round pick. Now. Hear me out.
00:47:39
Joey
t Team yeah he be Harry and Dan desperately need a ah quarterback.
00:47:39
dtmr
but
00:47:39
Ryan
I want to hear the argument for this one.
00:47:41
dtmr
oh yeah wait
00:47:49
Joey
Their Deshaun Watson situation is a situation that needs addressing and that they're obviously on the market looking to actively address. So ah Tua is a roll of the dice for sure, but he has indicated that he has no plans of retiring.
00:48:06
dtmr
I'm here, I'm waiting
00:48:08
Joey
It seems likely that he will play again this season he and in the moment at this moment. He is not experiencing concussion symptoms Like I I if I had to put my money on it. I think he will play again this year so I I think that it's a worthwhile gamble for them to take and ah For team Rosinski um I think that Tua is expendable for them. They have Jared Goff, they have Andy Dalton. I think that's fine with the rest of their lineup. I don't think either of those guys are, and and this is part of it too, ah because they're starting Dalton, right? Like they have the the added like, if the Panthers go back to Bryce Young, then they they got him too. So no matter what, they got the Panthers quarterback locked in.
00:49:07
dtmr
Just what everyone wants.
00:49:08
Joey
Yeah.
00:49:09
Ryan
yeah That's the room you want locked down.
00:49:14
Joey
He's already accumulated quite a bit of draft capital for next year. And I just don't think for a rebuilding team that Tua Takavailoa is like a long-term answer. like he's he's He's not someone that you can really like count on for longevity. ah So yeah, I think if I'm Dan's team and I can get out from Tua and pick up a second round pick and like a lottery ah ticket quarterback.
00:49:49
Joey
And if I'm Harry and Dan, it's yeah, sure, it's definitely a roll of the dice. But if Tua comes back and plays this year, they can compete. So um yeah, let's what what do you guys think?
00:50:00
Joey
Who says yes? Who says no?
00:50:00
Ryan
wait so it's Where's the second? It's Hall and a second for Tua.
00:50:04
Joey
it's
00:50:07
Joey
it's It's Bryce Young in a second for Tua.
00:50:11
Ryan
Brace Young at a second for Tua.
00:50:13
Joey
Yes.
00:50:14
dtmr
I think Dan and Harry do it. I don't know if Matt does it.
00:50:19
Joey
You don't think that Tua is worth more than a second?
00:50:22
dtmr
yeah ah well yeah I think he's worth more than a second. i And I don't think Bryce Young is the thing I'd want as the more, you know what I mean?
00:50:32
Joey
I mean, like, yes, fair, but like,
00:50:36
dtmr
And but I think that's what I think it's close I think it's just a I don't I honestly don't think ah they go for breasts I think you keep change that piece and they get there like something else is at a price That's I don't know if that's enough either I think it's like a different player upside but who knows I'm just so out of brush on I
00:50:45
Joey
Yeah, like if it was just two or for a second.
00:50:53
Ryan
See, um I'm a little more on the other side.
00:50:53
Joey
If my team was one and five, if my team
00:50:56
Ryan
I actually would take the second and young for Tua. I don't know, I feel like I'm more out on Tua. There's definitely a risk there that...
00:51:06
Joey
I would 1 trillion percent take a second for two.
00:51:08
Ryan
Yeah.
00:51:10
Joey
ah if If I was in the situation of Dan's team.
00:51:10
Ryan
Yeah. I would too. Young too, is I obviously understand what has happened to Young, but we've seen it with some other quarterbacks. He could end up on another team and revive his career a little bit, whereas you're getting a second plus him. I don't know. I actually feel like I would kind of take the other side.
00:51:32
dtmr
All right, well, then maybe it's good if it's just all you need is us to be in the the opposite side there and that type of deal gets done.
00:51:33
Joey
All right.
00:51:40
Joey
Nice. All right. And this is my last one. um This will be interesting because I know that Dave has a strong opinion on at least one of these players.
00:51:51
dtmr
You know, love when I only have strong opinions.
00:51:54
Joey
yeah
00:51:54
Ryan
Yeah, I could pretty much name the players you're gonna say.
00:51:54
dtmr
but
00:51:57
dtmr
okay
00:51:59
Joey
Alright, so I have. um Adam. Trading. Jalen Waddle. To team Mike Williams.
00:52:12
Joey
In exchange for Russell Wilson Russell.
00:52:16
dtmr
Listen, listen.
00:52:16
Joey
And and Xavier Worthy.
00:52:21
Joey
Now logic behind this one is. ah
00:52:27
Joey
Mike Williams team has Mahomes and Rogers. And although Rogers is definitely an expiring asset, I don't think Russell Wilson is the long term answer there either. um Team Adam is four and two, but with Daniel Jones as the QB two,
00:52:48
Joey
And the Giants just losing Andrew Thomas and the Giants just being kind of like a little bit unreliable. it's a that's a That's a less reliable quarterback situation um for that team moving forward. And I think that at 4-2 you might want to like.
00:53:06
Joey
have ah like a hair more security at the quarterback position for the rest of the season. So like maybe picking up like somebody would be helpful. So in this situation, it's like if we're, again, like maybe this is just me um being lower on the outlook for some of these Dolphins players in the, while we're still in the two at year here, but.
00:53:26
Ryan
yeah I was just going to say that a lot of this trade is impacted by Tua, who we were just talking about, because if if you believe in him, then Waldo's Valley is a lot higher.
00:53:31
Joey
Here.
00:53:32
dtmr
And as you say, that's interesting.
00:53:34
Joey
to a, but also but also like Tyreke is still there. And like, and so yeah, I mean, I guess in, and if you're like, it also kind of really depends where you sit with Saved Your Worthy too, who's younger and might, some might say is more valuable than Jalen Waddle being on the Chiefs, being younger, like has a little bit more like,
00:54:01
Joey
of the upside still there. um So curious, but just in a vacuum, like not like team needs a side, you probably prefer the waddle side to the worthy and Wilson side, I'm assuming, right?
00:54:16
Ryan
Yeah, I think this is decently close, though. I think it comes down to whether you're a believer in worthy, which I'm not. um So I would take water.
00:54:26
dtmr
Yeah.
00:54:30
dtmr
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:32
dtmr
I'll go waddle side, but like i I see the argument. I can see teams go in the other side as well.
00:54:32
Ryan
but
00:54:39
Joey
I might, I might, I might lean towards the worthy side.
00:54:39
dtmr
i
00:54:43
Joey
And like, you know, when I was, when I was chefing up this trade, I, in my head, I had it identified as like, Oh, Adam has a need at quarterback. And as I was like vocalizing it now on the pod, like, I don't know that Daniel Jones is losing his job.
00:55:00
Joey
Like he may, but like, is it likely? I wouldn't say it's likely.
00:55:05
dtmr
If the record stinks and they don't want to they want to be able to get out from his contract the and in the playoffs, it might be like fantasy playoffs.
00:55:07
Ryan
But ah and the thing with Wilson, too, is he's about to start.
00:55:11
Joey
Yeah.
00:55:12
dtmr
But I don't think he's i don't think he's playing better. I think he's actually playing pretty well.
00:55:15
Joey
No, that's right. Yeah, it would it would strictly be like Yeah.
00:55:18
dtmr
like you it yeah This whole trade is all risk here.
00:55:21
Ryan
But if he doesn't look good, ah I feel like they may throw fields back out there. So.
00:55:29
Joey
Yeah.
00:55:29
dtmr
<unk>s like it' like it all It's just like what level of risk do you want to play with?
00:55:29
Ryan
Yeah.
00:55:33
dtmr
i Of all the players in the trade, and the reason I go a lot of outside is that Waddle's the only player who I think is an actually good football player in this trade, like going forward. I like truly feel like I think he's a target owner can get there. Now situation is what makes this thing tricky. Worthy is never going to be a target owner. Like a, right now Waddle's bad stat lines with stat lines with bad quarterback are just worthy stat lines.
00:55:59
dtmr
That's just what worthy does unless he breaks up a long touchdown. That's exactly. So you're already kind of at the same level there. I just, I don't, so like, I think Waddle is a better time to see asset. Now, if from the mic perspective though, if they're giving up and worthy and Russ for this trade and you know, the two situation, do you feel like you're getting more? Do you feel like your team's getting better this year? Cause they're competing this year and that's kind of what you're going for. but Do you feel like Waddle is helping you with more?
00:56:29
Ryan
i think I think there's risk, but if Tua comes back, then yeah.
00:56:30
dtmr
that's where the risk comes in.
00:56:33
Ryan
So I could see them doing that trade because, yeah, I think if Tua comes back, Waddle does upgrade their team.
00:56:33
dtmr
Yeah, and yeah, yeah.
00:56:40
dtmr
Joe, are you a worthy guy?
00:56:40
Ryan
and then
00:56:41
dtmr
I can't, like, I know you you're not as strong as that opinion as I am on the play, but I don't know where you sit.
00:56:46
Joey
I am higher than you guys on worthy, but not a huge worthy guy. And I'm also a hair lower than the consensus on waddle. Just a hair.
00:56:56
dtmr
Yeah, I'm lower on model two. I don't think he, Again, like I'd rather have Garrett Wilson than Waddle.
00:57:04
Joey
Oh yeah, definitively.
00:57:05
dtmr
I think there's a tier or two between the two.
00:57:07
Joey
Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:57:08
dtmr
yeah
00:57:09
Joey
And like, like it's not, I wouldn't like smash waddle over worthy at this point, just straight up, like it wouldn't be like a no brainer decision. Like I like where?
00:57:17
dtmr
if you If you flip the teams, I think Waddle will smash. like That's where it comes out. I think Waddle is a significantly better player than Worthy. But I think the situation is what, like I think isn't, if you didn't have the to a situation and you, the backups for the Miami word so bad, I wouldn't be as concerned about waddle, but the backups are just so bad.
00:57:24
Joey
Yeah, but Yeah.
00:57:36
Joey
yeah
00:57:38
dtmr
Like if you had flacko as a backup for to a, I would be like, oh, waddle's fine. I am not concerned about that.
00:57:43
Joey
Yeah.
00:57:43
dtmr
It's just like the backups are so bad in Miami.
00:57:46
Joey
Yeah. All right. Well, that was fun. I'm glad that we got some good dialogue going on there.
00:57:49
dtmr
Yeah.
00:57:52
Joey
Three trades where there was some good discourse for both sides.
00:57:52
dtmr
Yeah.
00:57:56
dtmr
So Joe, since you were cooking these up, yeah, one of them, like, I mean, I think consensus is a great, chair I hope they do that one.
00:57:57
Ryan
so one One trade we would have made, it sounds like.
00:58:05
dtmr
um Joe, since you were cooking these up and everything, what is, like, when you're thinking about trades, what are your style, like, structure and and kind of formatting a trade, like, what's your think thought process?
00:58:17
Joey
Yeah. So, uh, I feel like I, I'm scouring teams to see, well, like, first of all, like for me, if if I, if I like decide like, all right, let's say that I'm in the market for like a young, like high value wide receiver, right? Like I'm looking for a team that has multiple young, high value wide receivers.
00:58:47
Joey
that they're potentially looking to spare one. um And I'm definitely looking to like see on my side what i can like what value proposition, like what I can return that fits that team's need as well in order to you know like make both of our situations better. right like I'm looking for, like for example, right like um with Racinski or with Harry like trying to acquire a a quarterback. right like Harry's got to find a team that has like enough quarterback depth to shoulder losing a quarterback. um He's also got to find a team that wants to accumulate draft picks if he's like if if the main thing he's looking to trade is draft capital. right like
00:59:40
Joey
You know, the first thing I would do is like go to the league standings and start looking at all the teams with the worst records and be like, all right, like who am I going to like, see if who wants to make a deal here?
00:59:46
dtmr
Mm hmm.
00:59:51
Joey
You know, like I think the, the most, like the most important thing to me is like hunting for a trade partner and then finding an asset on their team that matches what I'm looking to move or what I'm looking to acquire.
01:00:07
Joey
Um, rather than like hunting for a player because you could want a player all like as much as and and like any anyone and in the world. And like, if it doesn't make sense for the person who owns that guy to trade them, then you're just kind of like, you know,
01:00:24
dtmr
Yeah, it's not happening.
01:00:25
Joey
You're never going to get it. So yeah. So like, I feel like that, like my approach is like, okay, I have a need. Like there's several different guys that can fill that need and let's find a team that like it fits with. Uh, so that's kind of what I did for this exercise too. Just like tried to like look at people's teams and see at like a super surface level what their needs were and then try to find a partner that fits, uh, based on those needs.
01:00:55
Ryan
Yeah, I think Joe hit the nail on the head. He got a, you know, we're in the tight end market. So, you know, we've started to look at some of the teams with the worst records and then we're looking at teams that have two tight ends so that they might want to trade one of those tight ends.
01:01:10
Joey
I'll tell you what, um i I would fit that that that category quite well. like My team stinks, I have a bad record, and I have a lot of tight ends.
01:01:17
Ryan
We did, we did see your team. I just, which we didn't notice your team.
01:01:22
dtmr
Yeah, Joe, which way are you going right now? Are you going to double down and try to keep winning, or are you going to be rebuilding?
01:01:29
Joey
I have to decide one way or another.
01:01:31
dtmr
Let's plant flags, boys.
01:01:31
Joey
but
01:01:32
dtmr
I'm rebuilding.
01:01:34
Ryan
Dave was 3-0 and he was rebuilding. I've never seen anything like it.
01:01:37
dtmr
Well, I looked around, and I sort of like despite the really short scenes. I just don't think I have the firepower to compete with that. like I think I can be middle of the pack, but like middle of the pack is not.
01:01:44
Ryan
Yeah.
01:01:48
dtmr
where you want to be in dynasty. So I'm deciding like I don't see how i I can get there this year.
01:01:50
Ryan
Yeah.
01:01:55
dtmr
So I'm just going to reboot.
01:01:58
Joey
Yeah, it's it's not going to be a full rebuild for me, but I'll definitely be on the selling side.
01:01:59
Ryan
Yeah.
01:02:05
Joey
So.
01:02:07
dtmr
Yeah, and I know, Joe, your you and me have ah are probably the most sought-after assets, our number one wide receivers, which again, they're great rebuilding assets as well, so which makes it also really hard to give those up.
01:02:22
Joey
Yeah.
01:02:22
dtmr
Like you have Chase, I have CD-LIM. What would be the beginning offer for something like that you'd be looking for? Because these are like, you have to overpay for these assets.
01:02:33
Joey
I think it's gotta be, for me, it would have to be a combination of a like adequate replacement tier player plus high draft capital.
01:02:48
Joey
Like for me personally to trade chase, like I would, I would want a player that I could slot in like that have also
01:02:54
Ryan
So like a ja ah Jalen Waddle.
01:02:56
Joey
Also, no, better than waddle.
01:02:56
dtmr
yes yes Yeah.
01:02:59
Joey
Better than waddle.
01:02:59
Ryan
but I'm just kidding.
01:03:01
Joey
And like plus a first round pick or a first and a second or something like that. like it It would have to be like several picks and also like a very high caliber player.
01:03:14
Joey
Because in my position, right like my team like kind of stinks right now.
01:03:14
dtmr
yeah
01:03:19
Joey
And I'm two and four. I'm likely to have a let's say top six pick if things stay ah stay on this trajectory so like i can just keep chase and also have a top six draft pick next year right
01:03:34
dtmr
Exactly.
01:03:36
Joey
to like trade him for just like, let's say, ah let's say I were to trade him for like, just like two firsts, right? Like, then like, I'm, I'm taking the chance that I'm going to replace him with somebody who's as good, but it's just, it's just a chance.
01:03:53
Ryan
you're You're hoping to literally just draft another Jamar chase.
01:03:56
dtmr
You're taking to your taking two shots to hopefully get a chase, and there's not always a chase in the draft class.
01:03:57
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:59
Ryan
Yeah.
01:03:59
Joey
Yeah. Like I would need, like, I'm looking at like, if I'm looking at like,
01:04:00
Ryan
Yeah.
01:04:04
Joey
a, let's call Jamar Chase like a tier one wide receiver. if i would If I was getting back like a tier two or a tier three wide receiver, plus a first round pick to to like potentially like at like more on top.
01:04:19
Joey
like and And I realized that like if you put that into a ah ah trade calculator, it's not always exactly going to work out.
01:04:26
dtmr
chery calculator and
01:04:30
Joey
um
01:04:30
dtmr
But when you get to these levels of players, tree calculators don't work.
01:04:31
Joey
but like just
01:04:34
Joey
Yeah, like I just don't like in my head, like I have like like negative desire to trade someone like Jamar Chase.
01:04:40
dtmr
Yeah, you have to persuade so for that level.
01:04:42
Joey
So yeah, yeah.
01:04:43
dtmr
Yeah.
01:04:44
dtmr
um
01:04:44
Joey
So like, if somebody wants to come and like, like blow me away with an offer, if they want them that badly, then um I'm down.
01:04:52
Joey
But like, it's just, it's, it's hard.
01:04:55
Ryan
So what what about some of these guys, which is kind of like a ah tier two on Keep Trade Cut here, like an AJ Brown, a Drake London, a Brian Thomas Jr., a Nico Collins.
01:04:55
dtmr
yeah
01:05:06
Ryan
like It'd have to be someone in like that range for you to even consider with picks.
01:05:13
Joey
um Yeah, so...
01:05:16
Joey
Yeah. Nikko plus pix would be too much because I think Nikko's...
01:05:19
dtmr
Yeah, I don't think you would get that.
01:05:20
Ryan
Yeah, Nico's nio is kind of tier one up here.
01:05:20
Joey
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:22
dtmr
Niko's kind of, yeah, he's got it rocking up.
01:05:22
Ryan
but
01:05:22
Joey
and Yeah.
01:05:24
Joey
Yeah.
01:05:25
dtmr
AJ Brown is tougher because he's older too. So I don't know if that's like someone, like he's not old and he's also, he's right at that tier. So I also don't see a team giving up picks in AJ Brown.
01:05:35
Ryan
Yeah, I mean if you look at on Keep Trade, AJ Brown is eight, Drake London is nine, Brian Thomas Jr.
01:05:36
dtmr
I could, London, london I see London and, London and picks I could say.
01:05:41
Ryan
is ten.
01:05:44
dtmr
Cause I don't think London has reached that level yet. I think he's,
01:05:48
Joey
Yeah.
01:05:49
dtmr
So if I could see that being a type of player, so I was kind of the same, but if in the player in that range of like, say the wide receiver 10 to 15 plus like a high, like a pick or first of the second, I could do that.
01:06:03
dtmr
Or depending if there's a wide receiver, it has to be a young wide receiver where you still see a path of them like elevating, like maybe a London from a year ago or two years ago plus two firsts.
01:06:15
dtmr
Like someone in like the wide receiver, I don't know, like 16 to 24, 25 range. I don't know if you have like the list of who are like the young wide receivers there plus like two picks, two firsts or something like that.
01:06:26
Joey
Yeah, so here's here here's here's ah like ah what I would view as a pretty good example here.
01:06:27
dtmr
I think it's weird like my starting conversation would go.
01:06:31
Ryan
Yeah Yeah That's a good point
01:06:36
Joey
Canelo's went to acquire Malik Neighbors.
01:06:40
dtmr
Oh, yeah.
01:06:40
Joey
And in order to acquire Malik neighbors, he needed to trade Brandon Ayuk, who's like, uh, at the time was like a comparable tier receiver. Plus three draft picks a first, the second and a third.
01:06:50
dtmr
Yeah. Yep.
01:06:52
Joey
So I just feel like that is like the guy kind of like the perfect example where, and, and like, and like neighbors value, like probably, um, probably has, has definitely, has definitely worked exactly.
01:06:56
dtmr
Well, and it is lower than neighbors is lower than chasing than them. Yeah.
01:07:04
Joey
So like in that situation or placed.
01:07:05
Ryan
I mean, according to to keep trade cut, Neighbors is actually the number two wide receiver.
01:07:10
dtmr
Well, yeah, that's, QJ Chuck gets crazy over picks and rookies, but also like, but at the time of that trade, that was like, what, like three, four weeks ago, neighbor was not at that level.
01:07:10
Ryan
He's only below Jefferson. But yes.
01:07:15
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:23
dtmr
That was just, that's recency buys.
01:07:23
Ryan
Yeah, he hadn't even really blown up yet.
01:07:24
Joey
Yeah.
01:07:26
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:26
Joey
Yeah. So I guess but the main thing is just like, I don't, I don't, well, I just like, I just like, I just don't even like, I, I most of the time wouldn't even bother.
01:07:27
dtmr
Yeah.
01:07:31
dtmr
Picks alone is not going to get it.
01:07:32
Ryan
It sounds like it would be pretty impossible.
01:07:35
dtmr
It's, you have to overpay. Yeah.
01:07:36
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:37
dtmr
and
01:07:41
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:42
Joey
Yeah. Because like, it's just like, you know what?
01:07:43
dtmr
Yeah.
01:07:46
Joey
Like, like if I were to try to like put together a package that would, that would lure Justin Jefferson from Adam.
01:07:47
Ryan
Yeah.
01:07:53
Joey
it'd be way more than I would want to spend. So I just wouldn't even bother.
01:07:56
Ryan
ah
01:07:59
dtmr
Yeah, well, pretty good trade talks there. And again, this is the time of year where we're gonna start having these kinds of discussions and and and decisions on your teams. So this helped out a lot of teams.
01:08:09
Joey
Yeah.
01:08:10
dtmr
With that, we want to help people's wallets, Joe. So why don't you take it away?
01:08:14
Joey
Yeah. Let me, uh,
01:08:17
dtmr
Roy, have you followed any of our bets yet? We've been pretty profitable.
01:08:21
Ryan
i've been following some
01:08:22
dtmr
The last actual pod, the parlay, hit, baby. It was a little 10-1 there, baby.
01:08:26
Joey
Yeah.
01:08:27
Ryan
man yeah
01:08:27
dtmr
Let's go.
01:08:28
Joey
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01:09:34
dtmr
Yeah, we're profitable. Just takes one, boys. Just takes one.
01:09:41
dtmr
Yeah, but, Joe, do you want to go first? Let me go first.
01:09:44
Joey
ah Why don't you go first this time?
01:09:46
dtmr
All right so similar to the one that hit, I'm going to give you three plays that I'm going to personally take straight and I like him so much that I'm going to put them ah together in the same game parlay. So the game that I'm focusing on right now is the Seahawks and the Falcons and again, I always look for his for over, so let's be real. So I always look for teams that have decent offenses going up against not the greatest defenses there. So in this matchup, I alluded to one of the legs already. Tyler Algier, his rushing line of 38 and a half rush yards, I think is far too low, especially for the amount of action work that he's been getting. Seattle's defense is 22nd against fantasy running backs on the year. It's not the greatest of rush defense, so I think there's plenty of opportunity for Algier to get that. Seems pretty low for me, and he's getting all the worse, so I think that's a great line to hit.
01:10:42
dtmr
Kenneth Walker has his receiving line of 20 and a half receiving yards. I also really like he's been getting, which is kind of been leveling up the Kenneth Walker value on the year. It's getting a lot of receiving work. I think he has a 14 and a half percentage target chair on the year already, which he was always known as big rusher, but now that he's getting, these I think he was like eight receptions last week, uh, he's getting a ton of work. I think 20 and a half receiving yards is going to be an easy line for him.
01:11:08
dtmr
to hit as well that only take honestly one or two receptions could probably get them there. So I like that I'm a lot and then Geno Smith over one and a half pass touchdowns he has not done that yet this year. And that is kind of an anomaly in my opinion for him he's his TD rate is at around like 2%, which is incredibly low. He's usually around most quarterbacks, usually around 4.5%. He's been around that for the past like few years as well. He's throwing it on. He's got tons of passing yards. He should have had multiple touchdowns this past week. They were like toe on the edge, drop all here and there, so or call back on an illegal formation.
01:11:48
dtmr
I think he finally gets over the hump, gets over that one and gets over that hump of only throwing one touchdown, he gets the multiple this week. And Atlanta's pasty is 20th against quarterback, so I think the secondary is a little leaky and Gino can take advantage. of I'm going to take all those straight, but also if you parlay them all together, it's plus 460, so nearly five to one odds there. So come ride with me.
01:12:12
Joey
Some might say that he is due.
01:12:17
dtmr
He is definitely do. yeah
01:12:20
Joey
um Yeah, so for me, not a lot on the props. My life is chaotic right now, and I haven't had an opportunity to dig right in. But what I bet so far this week, for whatever it's worth, ah the Steelers at a terrible number, minus one.
01:12:38
Ryan
so We already talked about that one with the Russ Wilson.
01:12:40
Joey
Come join me.
01:12:41
dtmr
You can get a better number.
01:12:43
Joey
The the Lions,
01:12:45
dtmr
I don't think you can find that number. If you do you get crazy odds.
01:12:52
Joey
um they I think that opened out like plus three and I didn't get it until a couple hours before we recorded a plus two. But at Minnesota, I think that's a good spot for the Lions. And I'm buying in there.
01:13:09
Joey
on them. And the Browns, as disgusting as it sounds, getting six and a half, six, something in that range at home against Cincinnati, who I think actually Cincinnati is terrible.
01:13:21
dtmr
Can't make me do it. Don't make me do it, Joe.
01:13:23
Joey
It's an inter division road game.
01:13:27
dtmr
Yeah.
01:13:29
Joey
And I just there's no possible way that Cincinnati is blowing anybody out and in division on the road this year, they stink. So
01:13:39
dtmr
Yeah, though I feel like those match-ups are always ugly.
01:13:40
Joey
The defense is... ah defense and Yeah, i I just... Yeah, I feel like getting that many points with a home dog in division, especially that division, is is worth it. So don't let me down, Deshaun. Yeah, so that's what I bet so far. And probably a trillion other props to come.
01:14:07
Joey
But i I'm going to lock yours in right after we're done recording here. so
01:14:11
dtmr
Let's do it and ride with us guys. Come on, jump on in and we'll be, I'll be following Joe as well. I'm sure there'll be a lot of bets. He'll be in Vegas. So home with the bets, but it's at the journey about the journey.
01:14:21
Joey
Yeah, sometimes we'll win, sometimes we'll lose. And let's hope this week we win.
01:14:27
dtmr
That's not about the destination.
01:14:28
Joey
Yeah.
01:14:31
Joey
ah and We're also, ah Ryan, I'm going to actually request that you put together a little SGP this week for the for for Vegas. Just three legs, pick a game, three three three legs that you like, just toss them out there.
01:14:40
dtmr
Ooh.
01:14:40
Ryan
I could do that. i could do that ah
01:14:45
Joey
I i kind of i kind of subscribe to the ah the beginner's luck thing, and I feel like your first like foray into the SGP game is is going to be lucrative for us. ah
01:14:55
Ryan
I will say my Derek Henry over rush yards on the season is looking real good.
01:15:00
dtmr
Looking great You might hit that by midseason What was it a thousand yards Oh
01:15:01
Ryan
I should be one for one.
01:15:04
Joey
He's literally, he's going to lead the league in rushing.
01:15:08
Ryan
No, I'm pretty sure it was like 800 something, wasn't it?
01:15:11
dtmr
He's gonna break it in like three weeks um ah jesus christ Did you put money on that right you should have
01:15:13
Ryan
Yeah, no, I know.
01:15:14
Joey
Three weeks. He's got 700 right now.
01:15:17
Ryan
yeah He's gonna hit unless an injury happens, so knock on wood. I got a little money on that one, yeah.
01:15:26
dtmr
and sort of tell it's stupid
01:15:27
Joey
Okay.
Wide Receiver Trades and Draft Pick Values
01:15:29
Ryan
i got I got one more hypothetical for Joe, just because we were talking about Jamar Chase.
01:15:32
Joey
okay
01:15:35
Joey
OK.
01:15:35
Ryan
so You know, top two Dynasty-wide receivers. Someone comes to you with a 2026 first and someone like Brian Thomas Jr. Rookie in like the top 10, top 15 Dynasty-wide receiver ranks right now. Do you even consider something like that?
01:15:53
Joey
So you said 26 first, I assume you meant 25.
01:15:59
dtmr
No, they don't have a 25 first.
01:15:59
Ryan
Sure.
01:15:59
Joey
Because if you.
01:16:00
Ryan
I don't have a 25, but yeah. Let's say someone came to you with a 25 first.
01:16:01
Joey
Oh, oh. Yeah, well, I was going to say the fact that it's a 26 makes it like significantly less appealing because I'm like I'm a lot more of like a immediate.
01:16:09
Ryan
So someone comes to you with a next year.
01:16:12
Joey
Yeah.
01:16:12
Ryan
but
01:16:14
Joey
um It wouldn't.
01:16:16
Ryan
I'm just curious if that's like the situation you guys would consider where it's like a rookie that could potentially ascend to that level plus a first round pick, something like that.
01:16:25
dtmr
need another pick, I think.
01:16:26
Joey
Yeah, I think I just like I'm not sure that.
01:16:26
Ryan
Yeah.
01:16:31
Joey
I would love the idea of b Brian Thomas being the player.
01:16:37
dtmr
i like borrow to
01:16:37
Joey
And it's nothing against it's something against Brian Thomas, it's just like
01:16:38
dtmr
yeah They don't have enough track record to be comfortable in it.
01:16:45
Joey
We were naming some other guys, some other older guys earlier.
01:16:45
dtmr
yeah
01:16:45
Ryan
yeah
01:16:47
Joey
Like I would be much more likely to trade um Jamar for like AJ Brown and a first or AJ Brown and picks because I feel like I would have, I have more of a guaranteed couple of years of like wide receiver one domination from AJ Brown than Brian Thomas, which is like kind of like, um we're still kind of hoping he ascends to that level.
01:16:58
dtmr
the
01:17:11
dtmr
its Yeah, it's hopes and dreams for that, yeah.
01:17:12
Ryan
yeah
01:17:13
Joey
Yeah.
01:17:14
Ryan
yeah
01:17:14
Joey
So like, i'd i'd be i'd I'd be fine with like an older guy who's like, I think that's fair value.
01:17:14
Ryan
yeah
01:17:18
dtmr
What if it was too first in Brian Thomas?
01:17:24
dtmr
thats That's where like I would have the conversation, but I i think I balk ultimately.
01:17:26
Joey
But but I, yeah, ultimately, I think I would, I would, I would, yeah, just just because
01:17:31
dtmr
Yeah, but like that that's where I'd start the conversation.
01:17:33
Ryan
Yeah.
01:17:34
Joey
Yeah, just because like i I just would much rather have Jamar.
01:17:35
Ryan
Yeah.
01:17:39
Ryan
Yeah, and I agree.
01:17:40
Joey
At a certain point, I feel like it's like part of the... like you know He's a cool player to have on your team and fun.
01:17:48
dtmr
Yes.
01:17:48
Ryan
I mean, you you want Jamar Chase.
01:17:48
Joey
So, yeah.
01:17:51
Ryan
I mean, I'd send you a First and Thomas right now for him, so I i was just curious where where the line would be drawn.
01:17:58
Joey
Oh yeah. So we said we were going to mention this. I'll throw it out there. Last thing before we break. Um, there was a, I made a trade in another dynasty league that we had. I'm not going to tell you which side I was on, but I want to know what your take is.
01:18:08
dtmr
Yeah.
01:18:11
Joey
So the trade was one side was, um, rush, rushy rice and a 20, 25 second, uh, no rushy rice, key on Coleman.
01:18:36
Joey
um,
01:18:40
Joey
Jordan Addison and Jackson Smith-Ejigua.
01:18:47
Joey
So curious, Rice, Keon, Rice Coleman, and a second, and a late second.
01:18:48
Ryan
what was the What was the first side again? Rice, ah Coleman, and what was the pick?
01:18:56
dtmr
Yeah Was it 26 or 21st
01:18:58
Joey
ah Hold on, give me one second.
01:18:59
dtmr
know I think it might have been 26 seconds.
01:19:04
Ryan
It's close. I see the value on both sides. I think I'd... That's tough.
01:19:10
dtmr
It was 25th, 25th.
01:19:12
Joey
25, 25 seconds.
01:19:13
dtmr
Yeah, 25 seconds.
01:19:15
Joey
Yeah, 25 seconds.
01:19:18
Ryan
I mean, we were just talking about Coleman and i I just feel like he's not it. But I think Rice could be one of the more valuable assets if he comes back healthy. But I think I would lean the Addison JSN side.
01:19:37
Joey
Yeah, so that was the I was on the side acquiring JSN and Addison.
01:19:42
Ryan
Yeah, I think that's what I would lean just because I don't
01:19:43
dtmr
Yeah.
01:19:46
Ryan
I think overall they're more valuable than the other side.
01:19:50
Joey
Yeah, and like. Part of part of it too is like I have like a team that I think can compete this year, so like.
01:19:51
Ryan
there's Yeah.
01:19:59
Joey
moving on from Rice was something that I like just was trying to do, like literally just like, Hey, if I can flip him into like two upside young startable wide receivers Coleman, we talked about and like the second.
01:20:01
Ryan
Yeah.
01:20:02
dtmr
Okay.
01:20:14
Ryan
Yeah.
01:20:16
dtmr
Yeah, I'm trying to get out from Coleman.
01:20:18
Ryan
Yeah, I think your side is way more solid.
01:20:20
Joey
Yeah.
01:20:22
Ryan
The only risk is that rice comes back and really does turn into a stud like it was looking like he could, but right now I would i would take your side.
01:20:24
Joey
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:31
dtmr
the The thing with Rice, kids like I was having this conversation with someone else as well, but and Rice to me feels like now he's just a first round pick. because you can't use him this year and he's likely going to be suspended next year. So he's not going to be that useful at the beginning of the year of next year, just like most rookies that when you wouldn't draft are not that great to start the year. And now, and we mentioned this earlier, because he's missing so much time, it gives other players opportunities to carve out roles.
01:21:00
dtmr
That maybe take way cuz he he's not he doesn't have a great route tree. He's a got a very specific power slot runs three different basically just slants but serve rolls and gets a ton of targets and other people build up rolls take some out of way he's not gonna know those targets his value could decline he's gonna be out a long time and then they could draft someone they could get someone obviously there's just a lot of risk as well and he could go would immediately get his job back and do that but he has also like a lot of things now that can go wrong that he thinks his value going forward we're like a first round draft pick you don't have a lot of value to draft him and it could go either direction so that's kind of ah how i view rice now he's kind of like a first round draft pick in there so joe you're just you bought players with picks basically it's kind of how i view it which i i think that's a great move like i think that's a smart move yeah
01:21:36
Ryan
no Yeah.
01:21:46
Joey
That's fine.
01:21:46
Ryan
Yeah, no. Yeah, I like that side.
01:21:49
Joey
And also, the biggest risk to rush your rice might actually just be Xavier worthy. So see what happens.
01:21:57
dtmr
Maybe, I mean, yes, he has the opportunity to carve out a role. So I mean, that is, and point yeah,
01:22:01
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, he's got ah he's got a year to figure it out, so.
01:22:06
dtmr
all 150 pounds of him.
Fantasy League Scores and Reflections
01:22:11
dtmr
Rashid Rice drives faster than ex Xavier Worthy Waze. Anyway, before we go, I just want to give a quick update on the high and low score since we were a couple of weeks skipped on there. Two weeks ago, Scott Rapp actually took the high score, and he is turning his season around with a score of 180.52. So he's taking the title there with being sandwiched in between two weeks of k CROPA actually being the high score, but Scott Rapp's the high man now.
01:22:40
dtmr
And a low score. Two weeks ago, I scored a low score, but it was the highest low score on the season. So I just want everyone to know I'm the best lowest score. But then it was past me. Canals took the lowest score on the season so far with 77.6.
01:22:54
dtmr
That'll definitely be beaten now that bye weeks are going to pop up and more injuries. But Canals, low man, Scott, high man.
01:23:01
Ryan
Yeah, I got a sake.
01:23:02
dtmr
Moving forward.
01:23:02
Ryan
Congrats to Scott, man. He was in full cell mode and then all of a sudden put up the highest week of the year so far and now his team is like on the up and up.
01:23:13
Ryan
It's crazy.
01:23:14
dtmr
He's looking good, he's three and three, his team's looking stronger.
01:23:15
Ryan
Yeah.
01:23:17
dtmr
Yeah, and he actually has a first round backpack again. So we'll see, yeah.
01:23:21
Ryan
No.
01:23:23
dtmr
Yeah, he bought, I almost got him to buy it on a sell me trade, and now I'm the one selling, so we'll see. But anything else before we close things out?
01:23:33
Joey
Nope.
01:23:35
Ryan
No.
01:23:36
dtmr
All right, well, hope everyone enjoyed the pod. Thanks for listening. And I make the decision on rebuilding or buying and hopefully the trades helped you. Thanks all.