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New England Gothic with Z.G. Burnett
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What the hex?! Enter The Season of the Witch, with Z.G. Burnett, author, editor, menswear merchant, tastemaker, New England enthusiast, professional Instagram user, and more to be revealed! We talk about antiquing, the ubiquity of L.L. Bean, liking the old fashioned stuff, the heyday of GQ , When Levi's came to Newbury Street, and a cauldron more! This week, on Apocalypse Duds!
Photos by Annie Minicuci @annieminicuciphotography on IG . Taken at @ladyfingerstealounge in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
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Transcript
Opening Remarks and Recent Events
00:00:02
Speaker
Good evening. I'm Connor Nunez. And I'm Matt Smith. So things have been pretty bad recently, but not that bad.
00:00:18
Speaker
And the short, short version of the story is I guess the kids are finally learning stuff. Nice. They are retaining information. They are regurgitating information. And so maybe all will be
Kids Learning Progress
00:00:36
Speaker
well. I mean, in past years, this kind of light bulb moment happens. Well. Hello.
00:00:50
Speaker
It happens like in around March, right now it's happening in November. And so Keon numbers the letter E. And so that's about it for me. I mean, I'm flying high on that. That's a solid progression for him and you. Because it's been bad. I mean, it's been extremely bad. We've been doing letter E for like weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like.
00:01:18
Speaker
It's like a it's like a deep sigh. It's like, okay now we can go on to cuz right his name is Kian k e y So next we will do the letter y and so it's like dude. It's the third letter in your name. You've got yeah Yeah, very very important task ahead learning how to spell the name right? Yeah, I saw perhaps the
00:01:49
Speaker
I don't even know how to phrase what this t-shirt. Beautiful, perfect. What emotion this t-shirt that I saw brought out of me earlier today.
T-Shirt Controversy
00:02:04
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But it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Hillary Clinton,
00:02:14
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Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris as a
00:02:22
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tribute to Mount Rushmore. And it said, it said Mount Nasty. And at this point in life, I don't know if I could possibly hate liberals more. But I think that I sunk to a to an even deeper level with seeing this fucking shirt.
00:02:47
Speaker
Uh, I told someone I didn't buy it for me, even though I asked you to, it was tiny. I would lose every pound that I have just to wear that skirt. No, no one should own that shirt. And my hope is that it ends up getting sent to a landfill from the Goodwill that it was hanging in.
00:03:07
Speaker
Ah, but I digress. You really didn't buy it for me then, did you? I didn't. I can maybe go on Friday. God. Mount Nasty? Well, it's like because it has, right, Mount Nasty. Mount Rushmore, obviously, but it makes you think about fucking Mount Nasty. I don't want to mount any of them.
00:03:33
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My head did not even go there. Yeah, I'm not interested in that at all. I don't know. Yeah. Especially Hillary Clinton. It to me just reminded me of like, I don't know, the pussy hat era.
00:03:50
Speaker
And it's just like, guys, like, just shut the fuck up. Just the pussy hat. Yeah. The pussy hat.
Introduction to ZG Burnett
00:03:58
Speaker
Anyway, we had a really fun chats with author, vintage menswear aficionado, antiques, dealer, and encyclopedia ZG Burnett. Yeah.
00:04:15
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Yeah, really, really fun. Super, super awesome. Really. Yeah. Good conversation. Um, they, you know, kind of, we get, we got a nice glimpse into the new England experience of growing up and, uh, you know, wearing basically wearing the same sham washer that your dad does, et cetera. Um, get talked a little bit about, uh, new England.
00:04:45
Speaker
folk magic, which I don't know anything about, but CG gave us a little bit of a little bit of an insight into that as well. It was really fun combo and we, we think you're going to like it. Yeah. So stay tuned. Stay tuned. If you like what we do and thank you for the donations that we've had come in. Conner's Venmo.
00:05:15
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still is at Connor dash Fowler. His PayPal is Connor Fowler at gmail.com. We appreciate anything that anyone wants to send. We're in the high six digits. So please help us make it to 1 million contributions. Right, right. You know, you know how we roll. Anyway,
00:05:40
Speaker
Filthy, filthy rich in Bermuda. Filthy, filthy. Anyway, stay tuned for a great chat and thanks for listening. Bye-bye.
Humor and Naming Conventions
00:05:51
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What do TS Eliot, JK Simmons, and JRR Tolkien have in common? Nothing meaningful. But they share this naming convention with our next guest, ZG Burnett.
00:06:07
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writer, auction ace, Fran Leibowitz stunt double, stamfordian, stamfordite, contributing editor at antiques and the arts weekly, menswear merchant at ram's head vintage, good dresser, and much more to be revealed. Hello. Hello.
00:06:26
Speaker
Thanks for coming on. We literally wrote that like 15, well, Connor wrote that like 15 minutes ago. Matt, you always have to reveal the fucking secrets. Well, I want to say that's how clever Connor is. Oh my God. Wow. Wow. You are too kind. He comes up with this shit off the top of his dome, you know?
00:06:53
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If you're not watching the video, I'm shaking my head. I'm not watching the video. I was, I was speaking to our listeners.
Growing Up in Massachusetts
00:07:01
Speaker
Gotcha. Uh, how are you today? Uh, ZG AKA Zoe conversationally, right? Yes. I'm doing well. I'm a little nuts from a pre Thanksgiving errands, but other than that, doing well. How about you two?
00:07:17
Speaker
Yeah, solid. It's a very overcast and chilly day. So yeah, I wish the sun were out. But other than that, I'm doing all right. I'm wearing shorts. Yeah, I was going to say, Connor, I know you're coming in from Baltimore. Matt, where are you located? I'm in Atlanta. Oh, OK. I'm up in Massachusetts. So it's a little bit frosty around here, I think. Yeah, I was going to assume. What part of Mass?
00:07:44
Speaker
I'm up near Groton, Massachusetts, which is the landmark that most people know out here. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. So where are you from and where do you live now? This is where I grew up in Massachusetts. We moved from the North Shore when I was about four. My mother and father's family is from out there, but they wanted something a little bit more country for me growing up because the North Shore, if you've
00:08:11
Speaker
been in Massachusetts at any point recently, it's become very built up and has become more so even over the past 20 years. So it's been a while since I've been in like Massachusetts, but it's always, I've always enjoyed it.
Antiques and Family Legacy
00:08:30
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But I can imagine that like in the, I don't know, 15 years or so since I was there, or maybe 10 years or so since I was there, last has changed dramatically, like pretty much everywhere.
00:08:40
Speaker
Yes, including, and mostly the real estate pricing. Right. Right. Yeah. Cause everything's getting better in the world. Every last thing is getting better. And that is evidence of that, which we love on this program. We love to highlight the positives about our great world. So.
00:09:06
Speaker
No, go ahead. Continue. Answer your other question. I'm now living in Stanford, Connecticut. Nice. Stanfordite, Stanfordian. Yeah, we were trying to figure out what the proper term is. What do you think about that? I'm not sure. I have only lived there for about six months, so either way, I don't think I've earned the moniker. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, you have to be there at least a year, two years, something like that to really- To use the Demonym? Yeah, yeah.
00:09:34
Speaker
It is an awkward one. I mean like Baltimore, Baltimorean, Baltimorean, Baltimorean, Baltimorean happens a lot. Is that worse than Mass Hole? I don't know. It's hard to say which is worse. I have an affinity for Mass Hole because I have a bunch of friends from Massachusetts and they kind of like reclaim that.
00:09:57
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But Maxwell at least works linguistically, whereas Baltimorean is a stretch to begin with, and Baltimorean is an obvious jump. But since Baltimorean is so weak, it's like, it just is a shame. Baltimore are real hard enough. Yeah, that is a tongue twister.
00:10:22
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Yeah, I don't think Atlanta is any better either. Like it's pretty, I don't know. It's just pretty boring. And what about Atlanta? Atlanta would be way worse. Dan Florida. Well, because New Yorker is easy. Right. Washingtonian. Washingtonian is another one that is like sort of logical. Yeah.
00:10:44
Speaker
Anyway, Californian is simply just adding an N. But they do whatever they want, those easy breezy people. I prefer Bay Stater, personally. Bay Stater? All right, all right. I could back that. It's a little bit less, well, it's a little bit more PG, let's say. Right, right. Yeah, that's funny. So we got a little bit into the fit.
00:11:14
Speaker
Before we pressed record, but I was curious what you wore today in the inclement weather. Well, I am wearing at the moment, I just came in from running a few pre-holiday errands. So I'm wearing a 1960s peach colored chamois shirt that I.
00:11:34
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receipt, but I traded with Brian of wooden sleepers for at the last alfargoes marketplace. I'm wearing some Navy chinos from Alex mill, which is a brand I discovered recently that one of the good stuff. Yeah, they're very, the construction's great. And I don't usually, I knew just because I work in vintage. So I find things that way. But I, you know, there's only so many times you can,
00:12:01
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run through a pair of pants and patch them up or, you know, you can only put up with so much. So I just, this time I said, screw it. I just bought a pair and I'm very happy with them. So shout out to Alex Mill. Uh, I'm also, I had on until just a couple of minutes ago, a striped gold, it's a Jersey shawl collar cardigan.
00:12:27
Speaker
It's made in Japan. Here we are. I don't know if anyone knows that brand. What brand is it? The Strike Gold. Oh yeah, Strike Gold's fucking sick. Yeah, I'm really happy with that. Matt is like amazing encyclopedia, just so you can know all the stuff you would never expect. And under my chamois I'm wearing what I guess is now a vintage sleigh bells band shirt because I'm at my parents house. Oh my god. And everything else is in the wash.
00:12:57
Speaker
Wow. I haven't thought about them at my school. I haven't thought about them in a long time. I've seen them twice. I saw them at this concert in 2010, and then I saw them recently in New York when they did their 10-year tour. So that was both fun and a little bit harrowing. Yeah, yeah. Were you big into music at that time period?
00:13:24
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with with that kind of like sleigh bells and I'm just thinking about the things that I heard at this retail job that were on like serious xmu like sleigh bells animal collective etc I never had serious so I really only learned about new music from my friends gotcha yeah yeah sleigh bells I learned about from my high school boyfriend
00:13:47
Speaker
So yeah, I mostly would get it secondhand until I finally buckled down and got my own Spotify account about three years ago. Oh, nice. Yeah, yes. As I've said it before, I'll say it again. Like I know streaming sucks for the people that make the art, but it's crucial. Like it's like a world that I never knew possible when I was like 15. I just don't discover shit on Spotify. Hmm.
00:14:15
Speaker
What they push, at least in the genre,
Antique Market Changes
00:14:19
Speaker
I guess, of music that I'm listening to. It's like what they are pushing. It's like what the labels are pushing. People who they're trying to make blow up or whatever. It's like you just hear their songs over and over again. They're like, I don't want to hear this shit. I know this already. That's my annoying Spotify opinion.
00:14:42
Speaker
Yes, I find that you need to work at it. It's an algorithm, I assume. Yes, and another cool thing I discovered about Spotify is that I'm re-listening to many old bands that I hadn't paid attention to in years because they add extra tracks. They put up the deluxe version, so that's really neat. Oh, totally.
00:15:09
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Yeah it's one of those things like I discover a good bit but I also I also don't really listen to much that's like seem like mainstream adjacent which I guess like Connor for you like hip-hop and rap is I would say the most dominant popular music right now so like I find shit but then you also get into uh
00:15:33
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a loop of them just playing the same songs that you listen to all the time. Well, and it is the same song a lot of the time. And it's like, don't do this to me, please. I know. And also, shuffling is a lot more fraught, I guess, than it should be. It isn't actually random. Right.
00:15:57
Speaker
So I don't know. I mean, I, it's always the profit motive that is causing the problem, right? It's always the invisible hand, but it just is frustrating because it's everything. Right. Right. So you say you, I mean, I guess extremely involved with antiques. How long have you been antiquing? Is that your preferred verb you picking?
00:16:27
Speaker
Uh, I suppose antiquing is preferred. I do pick sometimes, but I, I have friends who will literally like we'll dive into hoarder houses and that's not me. So I don't think I've earned again, like stamp 40. And I don't think I've earned being. You haven't earned the picker distinction, the designation. I haven't gotten tetanus at any point.
00:16:55
Speaker
Oh yeah. I'm not a chain smoker, I don't have any tattoos. So I don't think that I'm allowed to be a picker. And Matt is gatekeeping that shit. I am not gatekeeping, although outside of the tetanus, you've described most of my- You! You! Mostly you! And I say it with love, because I know many pickers who are wonderful people, but I just,
00:17:26
Speaker
There's a difference. There's a distinct difference. Not that I am saying one or the other can be earned or whatever, but yeah, there's a solid difference in people like yourself that have a good eye and can find shit and going into a horror house. It's not for everyone. No, I get anxiety real hard. I can't even watch the show. I'm just... I feel you.
00:17:56
Speaker
But I've been doing this probably my entire life is when my parents have brought me to antique shops and shows
Love for Antiques
00:18:05
Speaker
and things. My father used to collect early American glass. So I've really Oh, sure. Like what a, I know a little bit about glass, but like, can you shed out the the types that you're talking about?
00:18:19
Speaker
And in the majority, what he narrowed it down to has been black, mostly early American and some English seal bottles, so black olive, dark glass.
00:18:32
Speaker
Gotcha. Mostly 18th century and some early 19th. And every now and again, he'll pick up a portrait glass. This is all kind of deep. What bottles do or are. But that's really why I'm in it because I ended up working with antiques and artifacts later in life. And it all comes down to either my father could be
00:19:01
Speaker
constantly on alert that I would break something or he could teach me about it and how to hold it properly, which is what he did. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's so good. So that's exactly it, because you come from a line of collectors.
00:19:18
Speaker
Yeah, you could say that. My grandmother collects as well. Oh, that's cool. What does she collect? Everything. She's gotten better. She's gotten better. I mean, my grandma collected like kitschy 80s and 90s Christmas bullshit. So anything that's not that is super cool, in my opinion. We do have a Christmas village. Of course, of course, as most American families do.
00:19:44
Speaker
Right. At this point, it's really mostly antique kitchen utensils because she uses them. Oh, wow. That's really cool. She prefers them to, she likes the old fashioned stuff is what she calls it. Right. Right. So I think, yeah, and that and she loves Kachina dolls, which are the Southwestern, mostly Hopi.
00:20:07
Speaker
hopefully in Navajo, Dine. Right. Yes. We have quite a few of those. That's really rad. Yeah, that's amazing. So, you know, being in New England, I had this thought while we were preparing for the episode. You know, New England is obviously like the first place that the English settled
00:20:34
Speaker
Have you found in your lifetime of dealing and being around this old shit that like part of that is that these things are abundant because the area is so old? I wouldn't say abundant at... Right, right. You know, you can put an asterisk by what abundant actually means in this context. It certainly is more prevalent here
00:21:04
Speaker
then I'd say it would be anywhere else in the country because so much of it was made here. And right? Yeah, people bought it or they had it made way back when and it descended and then when houses and families eventually downsize or they lose all their money, a doll goes to auction or it goes to different consignment locations. But I'd say yeah, and I'm so
00:21:32
Speaker
I came in at the very end of what was the boom. It used to be a lot more money and a lot more popular to have American made type things, like probably from the bicentenary up until I'd say the late 90s. And the recession is when everything, the 2008 recession, and it's still steadily recovering from that. It's gone a lot better in the past couple of years because
00:22:01
Speaker
instead of, I mean, everyone had to deal with their COVID things. Right. And the art and antiques market is one of the few markets that's actually been doing better and better. Yeah, I'll say the same about vintage clothing. Like, you know, on the on the other side of that is, you know, there's there is almost since COVID began, like, there's there's such a resurgence of people getting into it in certain ways.
00:22:30
Speaker
For sure. And I mean, we've all seen the memes. Right. Yeah. There's definitely a split opinion on how good or bad that is. I think it's good in that people are learning. For sure. For sure. Yeah, just how wasteful fast fashion is, how much waste we have in our lives. And then there's the downside of that. There's an absolute run on this stuff now. So anyone before the pandemic is
00:22:57
Speaker
salty because there you can't find anything anymore. And I've definitely noticed that to some extent. Oh, yeah, I think we all do. But you know, it's it is kind of cyclical. Like, you know, you'll have a crazy good haul, and then it'll be dry for a week. But
00:23:16
Speaker
You know, like I, I like to put it into the context of first a rising tide lifts all boats. So the more people that are into old stuff and like trying to learn the better in my opinion. And then also, you know, like you have to get creative and there, there's so many of these things that have been made, maybe not what you do, but like clothing in particular, you know, a lot of the things that I'm looking for were made in the, like,
00:23:45
Speaker
high hundreds of thousands, low millions range. And so like, even, even with time, there's still shit out there. Oh, absolutely. And that's, that's how I ended up where I am now, I suppose, in that I have a very specific focus on what I buy for ram's head vintage in that I can't buy everything I find because I could very well buy every Ralph Lauren shirt I find or every
00:24:12
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every bean thing, for goodness sake, I'd go buy them. Yeah, yeah. There are those things you hate to leave, but you're also just kind of like, do I, do I really need to waste the time? The time and the money because now, and thrift stores are wising up to it. So they're hiking their prices, everything's going up. So you have to really curate. Don't we all? But
00:24:38
Speaker
I hate to use that word, but the thing that you have to find out in my advice to anyone who's for some reason getting into vintage now would be to really find what makes your brand unique because otherwise you're just going to be another 47 variety of vintage seller. And there are literally hundreds of thousands of people doing that right now. Yeah.
00:25:06
Speaker
So how did you, how did you get into, um, selling like vintage menswear with Ramshead?
Transition to Menswear
00:25:11
Speaker
I did have an Etsy store before I decided to rename it Ramshead vintage, but I was doing vintage. I was doing vintage other my own under my own name, women's fifties and sixties mostly because that's what I was. Yeah. But women's vintage is so much more difficult to sell, especially online. And it's far more difficult to source.
00:25:37
Speaker
because anything that's, I don't know, earlier than the 70s is scarce unless you're going to every estate sale you can. And even then, there are so many different styles and so many different sizes. It gets to be a lot really quickly. So I ended up doing menswear because I had always been enthusiastic about men's fashion. I don't know how old it usually is,
00:26:06
Speaker
I think it was the 2000s and the 2010s of GQ magazine used to be fantastic. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. The Golden Age of our lifetime, at least. I agree. And they used to have great interviews with actors, especially through me. And so then I started looking at the clothes and that was the heyday. I mean, Glenn O'Brien, R.I.P. Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. So I learned so much from him.
00:26:37
Speaker
And that led to me when I was in undergrad getting my first retail job in a big store, which was J Crew. And this was at the Copley Plaza, which is the flagship store for the Boston area. And it was before and on the cusp of when they opened up their separate menswear store across the way. It was when they were still developing the liquor store and the low shop brands like that. Right, right.
00:27:06
Speaker
And I was working with menswear there before that shop opened. Oh, that's cool. So that would have been like, oh, six, seven ish. This was actually like 2010, 2011. Oh, yeah, we did. Maybe, I don't know, maybe I'm misremembering when the whole liquor store in Ludlow came into fruition. I thought it was earlier than that. It was it did come into fruition earlier in New York.
00:27:36
Speaker
Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha. Right, right, right. Yeah, I mean, we're very proud. We're very proud of our state, but we don't get fashion until like at least five years later.
Boston's Fashion Trends
00:27:46
Speaker
For sure. I mean, same thing with Atlanta. Right. Why do you think, well, I mean, so I guess we sort of know why that is, but like, I don't know. Is it that there is resistance to it in Boston? Like, surely people want this stuff, right?
00:28:05
Speaker
Well, it's hard to say now because I've been, I've been out of Boston for a while and, but there's always been that blue suit, ground shoes look that people still wear every day to work. Right. Now they just add microfiber vests and stuff, but you know, it's still the same thing. That's what except that's what's acceptable in the office, especially in the financial district. But I think then it was still very much. There was that conflict of metrosexuality and in, you know,
00:28:35
Speaker
It was just coming out of the period at which you people were calling each other gay instead of, you know, stupid. Right. Right. Oh, yeah. See, this is a great topic. Like this is so. Everyone who is listening to this can relate to that, certainly, and the like.
00:28:58
Speaker
throw away usage of slurs, just all of that kind of stuff. I remember the mental sexuality thing, people being like scared of it, like it was going to come for them. Yeah. Sorry. No, no, no. And it's now it's like, Jesus, like no one is. Well, it's it's something that we've touched on before, but the same people that were like,
00:29:25
Speaker
calling you the F slur for wearing like slim fit pants are keeping the fucking tightest pants on the planet. Yeah, shape in business. And it's like, yeah, this is this is a really, really funny thing to witness as like a 40 year old thinking back on my, you know,
Language Evolution
00:29:47
Speaker
25, 26 year old days. And it's extra fun. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was, that was even, you know, farther back than that. But yeah, like, just, uh, it, how the things have flipped is, is continually hilarious. And it's flipped again, because now, especially in the LGBTQA plus community, they've been called, they start, it starts becoming a thing where you can call each other the epsilon all you want.
00:30:17
Speaker
Right, right. Like saying something is so cringe and gay is like, obviously ironic. If you're right. Yeah, you're like, like my I have two friends who have been together, two male friends have been together for almost 10 years. And they were talking about maybe having a wedding, wedding sometime soon, but something small. And they were describing it to me. And I said, you know, that sounds kind of gay, guys.
00:30:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good. It's funny, though, if I ever do that on Instagram because I am a femme appearing. You know, cishet woman, I will get mad. It's people get mad, but it's the straight people who are like, that's so of course, of fucking course. Yeah. And it's the same way that like queer was reclaimed. And it's like, you know, if you if you don't understand
00:31:12
Speaker
that the people using this word in this context are like making it powerful for all of the years that they were called that as a slur and like, go fuck yourself. It's always straight white people. Yeah, it's like the slim fit pants, which we never did. And they're even worse now.
00:31:36
Speaker
Oh, my gosh, my gosh. Yeah, I did not to take this too much farther off base, but I did a pop up this past weekend at a brewery and I texted Connor this. I was like, I have seen the slimmest pants on the planet on 90 percent of the dudes here. And I was just like, I was shocked at how
00:32:03
Speaker
revealing some of the tightness was for some of them. And I was just like, what the fuck? Matt did not delve into that little tidbit. Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting. It was. I never think about it in that context. Like I just think like,
00:32:23
Speaker
Looks bad. I mean, people complain about, like, fem pants not having pockets. Like, yeah, these these jeans have pockets. But what the fuck can you put in there when they're skin tight? A small, big lighter. Unless you've got a crass butt patch on your pants. I don't want to see that in that type. I have a follow up story to that way. Oh, yes, please. Lay it on us. There was a Levi's store on Newberry Street.
00:32:50
Speaker
Oh yeah, I remember that. And it was the type of store where there would be three or four people working there at once and not one of them would help you do anything. So that may have been why it closed, I'm not sure. But my dad, my dad was working in the city at the time and we had lunch together and he said, I want you to help me find some Green Day pants. Wait, what? He's like, what do you mean, dad? He's like, pants that Green Day wears.
00:33:19
Speaker
I was like, my God, skinny jeans. He's like, no, no, no, just the pantless, you know, there's their trim cut green day pants. It's like, OK, we went to the Levi's store and my dad, he was he was a runner, so he was he could wear them. Right. Like technically, sure. And there was one he took in a couple of different sizes and there was one size in particular to what you just said, Matt, or as like, dad, you cannot wear those.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, God. Change it to something. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, go put on the bigger size pants, dad. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Do you happen to remember what Levi's cut that was? Because I have an idea.
00:34:04
Speaker
god no i i that's one thing i never got straight and i i'm friends with people who are so into militaria but i cannot keep the numbers straight to save my life yeah i feel five eleven right five eleven is this slim straight skinny straight no the the five eleven is like the skinny
00:34:26
Speaker
The 510 is the super skinny, I believe. Right. Yeah. And then the 514 says it's a slim straight. And then that fits sucks. Like it's it's I've bitched about this to many people in my life. That fit is. It's it's just like an it's like a bad in between. It's like my hair right now is not short enough and not long enough.
00:34:50
Speaker
So it's that, the 514 is exactly that. It's not a 501, it's not a skinny chain. No, 505 for life. Yeah. They still have mine captured. I sent mine away. I sent my 505s away to have them like, whatever, some kind of rewoven, patched something. And this person was like,
00:35:20
Speaker
I'm sorry. I'm in Asia for the next week and a half. Like I can't. I don't know when your pants will be done or when I will be back. So just like they told me I could come and get them today and they never responded. So I just want my pants back. Oh, damn. Yeah. These pants, which Matt gave to me, they're very dear to me. So it's sadness that they have kidnapped them, gene napped.
00:35:49
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Well, after and well, aside from being my dad's personal stylist for most of my life, I'm working at JQ. Later, I worked after grad school, I was working at Port Northampton out in Northampton, Massachusetts with Ben Glution, who is still out there, he's going to be out there for a little while longer, so give him a look. But I did that. And that was more of a unintentionally
00:36:19
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androgynous store like before gender free was a thing. Ben was right. He had his he had his finger on the pulse there. And that was a fun experience. And then after that, I worked at the end of the shop. Oh, the while and the fabled end of the shop. And then
00:36:45
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During that time, I just kept coming. I learned a lot and I kept coming across some great things and what on my travels. And I just decided, you know what? I'm just going to switch to menswear is what I'm going to do. And yeah, since then, I've been doing this is kind of a side project. Hell yeah. Wow. How did you get how did you get into the Endover shop? I mean,
00:37:09
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My dear friend Eric Tordzik, who was writing for Ivy Style at the time, put me in touch with the then-editor Christian Censfold. And I was writing for Ivy Style for a little while, and while I was doing that, the job for Andover Shop came up. I don't know if they still advertise on Ivy Style, but they did then. So they had the ad up, and I applied, and I got it. That's awesome.
00:37:40
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Yeah. Were you, wait, were you active during like the, the kind of like hashtag men's wear blog explosion? I was a lurker big time. You were okay. Okay. But I mean, if you're writing for Ivy style and other things, I feel like you would have been, you know, you would have been like, or the things that you wrote would have, uh, made the rounds. They, I mean, I came in at the very end. I think it was a year.
00:38:08
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maybe two years before Christian sold the site. Gotcha. And that was when it was getting a little bit better. But if people, anyone who was around during hashtag menswear knows Ivy style was a snake pit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that and ask Andy are Oh, yeah, I never. Yeah, too. I never posted on either. But yeah, I worked on both and
00:38:36
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Just I don't know. Sometimes like it made Reddit look playful in a lot of ways. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I. That's like harsh, invective. A lot of that has moved over to Reddit now since Ivy style is. Which is. Yeah. I don't know what's going on there anymore, but the the the comment section is essentially what kept me from.
00:39:02
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trying to contribute before then in Ivy style or in menswear at all, because it was just frightening how men interacted with each other online. So I just kind of bypass that. Okay, yeah, I don't blame you. Don't blame you at all. No, I don't have the, I don't have the heart for it. Like,
00:39:22
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people on Instagram are nice now. So it's kind of like whatever. I mean, if people are talking shit and they're doing it in, not in public, which is good and how things ought to be, I guess, or how I would prefer things to be in any event. Yes. So after that, when I left the Andover shop, Stefan Carson of alfargo's marketplace contacted me through my Ram's head Instagram. And I've been doing that.
00:39:51
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for over a year now. Nice, congratulations. Thank you, it's been really, it's been fun. They're a great group of guys and I've met so many cool people that I otherwise would have only known online. Right, right. Yeah, you're definitely, you're geographically at a good place to like connect with a good, you know, cross section of vintage and menswear aficionados.
00:40:21
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Yes, it's been great. That's one of the reasons why I have settled in Stanford for the time being is because it's so close to New York. Right, right. Yeah, you get the best of both worlds. Right.
00:40:37
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I liked the weekly auction roundup, which I was going to ask about, I guess, like how long have you been doing that? What sort of propelled you to do that in the first place? I guess looking at auctions all day.
00:40:55
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Yes, I, I that sadly defunct just because I'm no longer working at the Antiques in the Arts Weekly newspaper full time. But when I was, I was looking at 1000s of objects on online auctions every single day, just for what I was
00:41:16
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covering as far as the shows went, as far as what was coming up, as far as who I would need to talk to. So you really had to have a grasp on what was being sold in these. And as we've talked about, I'm a collector. So I like, there are things that I love, but never could afford or wouldn't bid on anyway, but I thought they were cool. So I've tried to find a way to incorporate that into my own social media brand.
00:41:44
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And that the weekly auction roundups just became a part of that. But now, unfortunately, that I'm not doing that every day, I had to exceed. So are you dealing with mostly online auctions or are you actually going to like local or regional auctions? It was mostly online. Because I'm only a contributing editor now, I was associate editor. But then when I dropped down to freelance,
00:42:15
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took a different role. So I'm no longer, yes, I'm mostly just covering in-person shows now and cover stories. Okay. But when I was doing it, I did attend a couple of in-person auctions if they are particularly large or featured a prominent collection. Right, right.
00:42:40
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Yeah, we were trying to figure out what the general vibe of the antiques and high-end art auctions, who would be drawn to that, what would happen, but I guess most of it is online these days. Not so much in person, unless it's, like you said, some meaningful collection.
00:43:07
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Right. They do still come out, especially to it's the higher end auctions and the some of the lower, some of the lower end auctions as well. That happens, say every week, pretty much out of a church hall, people will shop for those. Oh, yeah, for sure. But I'd say for what I was doing, as far as auctions go, I was doing mostly American folk art, Americana. And that is actually
00:43:36
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boomers and up right boomers and up boomers and up nice phrase change as millennials especially are becoming more active in the antiques and museums world in the United States and becoming more prominent as collectors there was just that a book that came out by Michael Diaz Griffith called the
00:44:03
Speaker
young antiquarians or the new antiquarians. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're gonna have to check that I keep forgetting I keep messing up the name. I'm sorry, Michael. But I interviewed him for the magazine. So I really should know it better. But he has highlighted quite a few people and I'm not sure if he's doing a second book. But there are definitely enough now that have a cohesive and
00:44:29
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rather large collection that it can be put into a beautiful coffee table book like he's created. My brother, my youngest brother is like 21, I think, and
00:44:42
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He like doesn't buy anything new and like hasn't for a while, you know, like for years. He goes to estate sales and auctions and all kinds of stuff. Like I think it's amazing that his reflex is like not to go to Amazon. It's like I want to buy something that is already extant.
00:45:09
Speaker
Which I just think is the best part of the vintage or used buying. Absolutely, and especially now because I can't believe how much things from Target cost. Oh my god, yeah, unbelievable.
00:45:25
Speaker
I thankfully have not stepped on a target in years, so I'm not with you, but I know what you mean. Or Amazon, or wherever, everyone knows everything's fucking very expensive. I don't use Amazon either, but yeah. Hey man, how much does a pack of cigarettes cost? Does it cost more or less than it did that? I'm not even being facetious, I was just making a stupid joke, but yes. Right, right.
00:45:51
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I mean, I will say my smokes that I get have gone from two for $5 to two for $7 in like the span of four months.
00:46:00
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Wow. That's as outrageous that you were ever paying two for $5. I mean, they're not, they're not good. Are they Mavericks? No, they're, they're Marlboro's cheap line. Oh dear. Because I smoke reds mostly and they're Marlboro black full flavor. And they were, yeah, where I go, they were two for $4 and 87 cents for like three months. And that's why I switched.
00:46:30
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Anyway, sorry, I did not mean to go off on a cigarette. Yeah, beautiful. Beautiful, I love it. Yeah. Zoe, what do you collect? You just refer to yourself as a collector. What's your passion? I've gone through a few different collections in my time. Yes, we do. Right now, I'm mostly focusing on Staffordshire Dogs, the Spaniels.
00:46:59
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But I do have a few intact pairs, but what I prefer are the what we call broken pairs where they've lost their partner a long time ago. And or otherwise imperfect. I really like those for the most part because I'm cheap, but also because I really like the life that they've lived.
00:47:29
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Oh, for sure. Yeah, and I like getting them together into their own little pack. I think it's cute. Yeah, it's adorable. Yeah, I'm also collecting right now Daruma figures. Do you know what those are? I don't. You've definitely seen them. They're the little Japanese guys. They're big round red heads with big white eyes and mustaches. How do you spell that? D-A-R? D-A-R.
00:47:59
Speaker
U-M-A. And they're made, now they're made at a specific monastery in Japan, and they're used for, it's, I always get it wrong. But you paint, you think of a task. Oh, okay. I know what you're talking about. I don't think I've seen these before. Oh, really? Okay, well. Yeah, they look sort of familiar, but I feel like the, like, that I have not seen.
00:48:28
Speaker
Well, so you think of a task you want to achieve, you paint on one eye, and then when you've achieved that task, you paint on the other eye, and then you burn them. Wow. We've got to start doing this. That's intense. We've got to start doing this. Then we'll get our stuff done so fast. I don't want to destroy something. I don't know about it either.
00:48:58
Speaker
It's this whole, it's part of the Shintoism, letting it go, having it run its course and stuff. But we as collectors, we have a problem letting things go. True. Well, that's, and that's the funny thing. Many that I find that are older vintage are, they have only one eye, so they didn't get, they didn't finish. They were never completed, yeah. That's the story right there. Like the,
00:49:26
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The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great. The back is great.
00:49:54
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yes it's from a tortoise yes and i mean yes if you don't want your day ruined don't look up how they made it yeah yeah do not uh i i for whatever reason i thought that that was illegal to sell
00:50:10
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It's like ivory or scrimshaw, which is the whale's teeth with the images on it. I'm explaining more for the listeners who may not know, but it goes through different, it honestly changes by presidential term.
00:50:32
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Oh, and it's also a state thing. The last time I checked in Massachusetts, you can sell things like coral or scrimshaw or ivory, like specific types of ivory, not elephant ivory. That's a whole other thing within the state, but you can't sell it out of state. Okay. It's all there's like some Cruella de Vil knowledge. I mean, it comes with the territory working in auctions, which are
00:51:00
Speaker
inherently evil. And so I was thinking a little bit, a little bit, not a lot of it. This is not a fully formed thought. So beware. But like, I was thinking that an auction is a little more at least straightforward than our like, bye bye bye stuff. It depends on which auction house you work for. But
00:51:28
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It's a cutthroat business, don't it? Yeah. It's wrong. I guess I should know that kind of instinctually. And that's just kind of how the arts are and have been for a very long time. And people are trying to change that for the better. I mean, I left museums and auctions a while ago because I didn't want it that bad. There are people who work their whole lives to do it, but I'd had enough.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. No, that's like we've talked to people who have said something similar. Right. Like I've worked. I've worked to be a part of this industry and like I do not want to be a part of this industry. Well, and it's it's very much a still a pay to play industry. If you want to do well, you have a blank checkbook.
00:52:23
Speaker
in order to sustain yourself because you're going to do a lot of unpaid hours, you're going to do a lot of minimum wage hours in one of the most profitable businesses on the planet. Right. Yeah. Sounds like the film industry. It's yeah, similar, I'm sure. It's a lot of those industries that are staffed by like rich legacy people. Mm hmm. Yeah. And I could go on, but we're talking about fashion, aren't we?
00:52:53
Speaker
Yeah, we're talking about everything comes up. Yeah, we're talking about everything. Like, I think that that. So what do you what do you think you want to do next?
New England Folk Magic Book
00:53:08
Speaker
I mean, well, I've been working on this project called the Preppy Witch Primer for a few years now off and on. Yeah, I figured out. Yeah, hell yeah. While sifting through paying jobs.
00:53:22
Speaker
But I'm finally at a point now where I am talking with someone about possibly getting it published. So, yeah, having finished my final draft, I've been talking to people and I've had some interest from a couple of different parties. So we're seeing, I'm seeing how that goes and then going to begin the editing process, hopefully within the next year, just to get the first draft a little bit more polished and even toned.
00:53:53
Speaker
So that, that would be the first, and I'm, aside from that, I'm currently working as a cataloger with a private collection in Connecticut. So two roles. So we would be, you know, dumb not to ask, what is the Preppy Witch Primer? It's a guide to New England folk magic, as I have
00:54:20
Speaker
worked and experienced it within the past 20 years of experience mostly. It's really just a basic book that answers all the questions for people who are afraid of what the neighbors might think. That's a great description. Holy shit. Sorry, go on.
00:54:48
Speaker
I think I understand where the word preppy comes from, given what you just said. So is it basically like New England folk shit for middle class New Englanders that are pretty normal? Is that basically what I'm hearing? Yes, it's for people that
00:55:14
Speaker
Say you go to Salem. The idea was solidified for me when I was standing in line at a- Oh, because of the witches. Because of the witches. Jesus Christ, I'm sorry. Did you just put that together? I just put the Salem part together, yes. I was like, where does this come from? This is so interesting. I like this idea. I've never heard of this before. You're obviously not a asshole.
00:55:43
Speaker
Yeah, you're not a mass one. You're a Baltimore on exactly. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, uh, go on, please. I've, I've humiliated myself again. You just haven't had it shoved down your throat since you were five years old.
00:56:00
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But the thing about that is also Salem witches weren't actually witches. And that's a whole other thing that's going to be addressed. Right, right. They were just like probably cool chicks doing stuff, like collecting rocks and mushrooms.
00:56:15
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They were Puritans. That's a whole field of study that I'm going to try and briefly touch upon within the context of the book. But the idea was solidified for me and my key demographic was pointed out to me when I was standing in line when they were still limiting people in shops in Salem. This was post-pandemic.
00:56:37
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for around the Christmas season. And there's one shop in particular in Salem on Essex Street called Coven's Cottage that you get a lot of different shops in Salem that have are like kind of gift shop witchy. I'd like to say it's just broadly, broadly whatever. But then there are some that are hyper specific and serious because they're run by practitioners of whatever denomination they're currently
00:57:06
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telling or teaching about. Common Cottage is one of those that is specific like folk magic from all different backgrounds, mostly European, European heritage of different kinds. But there was a pair of girls in front of me, young blonde college girls wearing their sweatshirts and everything that they got split up because one friend could go in and one friend couldn't because of the capacity.
00:57:36
Speaker
So the friend that went in, she exited very quickly. And her friend asked her, what was it? What happened? And she said, it's really cool, but I don't know what I'm looking at. And then they both left. And I was just like,
00:57:53
Speaker
That's, see, that's, that's my key demographic. It's for people who are interested in this and would like to have more spirituality in their own lives, but are intimidated or just don't know even what to ask, like what questions to ask. So the Preppy Witch Primer is a very easy book for people who would otherwise like think, you know, you don't want your friends to think you're weird. Right. Right.
00:58:23
Speaker
Yeah, this is a great idea. Yeah, I mean, also, that would be great for me because I know very little about any of this shit. So yeah. Oh, cool. This is a this is a thing that like exists and people are super into. Yeah. And it's also because I've I mean, I grew up
00:58:44
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in the forest, in a forested suburb. My default is kind of preppy, like I remember ordering from the LL Bean catalog. That's how far this goes back. But I tried on all my different phases. I mean, no one got out of the 2000s alive, fashion-wise. Okay, I gotta say that's the name of this episode. No one got out of the 2000s alive.
00:59:12
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No, we're very lucky in so many ways that much of what we wore or there are pictures that aren't up on the internet. That's how I know. It was not documented. Yeah. Yeah. I will forever say that I'm really happy that my jinko phase has very little photographic evidence.
00:59:34
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as does my golf phase. It's not a thing. It's not a thing. Dude, you gotta... Yeah, and the jinko shit. I mean, the jinko stuff, I mean, unbelievable. Like, please, please, please.
00:59:48
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no no uh when i see you like you're too proud when i see jincy wearing that now i'm just like guys if you were doing that before it was cool even no i'm like if you knew now what i know now you would realize how insane you were
01:00:07
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They're gonna be fucked up when they're looking back and like, if we make it 20 years on this earth, when they're looking back and they're like, remember in 2023 where I was ironically wearing JNCO jeans? I don't wanna be present for that discussion. Say. Well, that's kind of a sad thing is like, I mean, Gen Z has a lot going for it. I think they're- For sure. Their perspective, I think we need. Hell yeah.
01:00:34
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I just feel kind of bad that they're recording all of their thoughts and phases on TikTok now. It's never going away. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of my phases were hosted on various websites to post onto, you know, a fashion forum, like in the, in the like mid aughts. Right. And I'm really happy that I've lost a lot of photos that way.
01:01:01
Speaker
Um, but yeah, it's going to be, this is going to be an unprecedented thing. And it's like, yeah, if we make it 15 years, you're going to see some, some random tick tock where you're wearing like kick wear or like whatever, I don't know, some terrible Y2K fashion. And you're going to look.
01:01:21
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in the mirror and really be sad. And there's going to be, the oceans are going to be boiling and the air is going to be black. Maybe. And you're like, fuck, the jenko jeans were really, those just were not flattering cut. You know, yeah, it might not matter at that point in time in, insofar as being an important thought, but yeah, they're, they're going to realize that like,
01:01:49
Speaker
Probably not a good idea to just document everything all the time. Yes. I mean, it was bad enough that LiveJournal existed, that Elktown, what else? Handfiction.net is still up there. It's still accessible. So for everyone who has done that, I wonder if LiveJournal is still up. Let's see, let's see. Angelfire is on, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, Angelfire, thank you for that reference.
01:02:19
Speaker
LJ is still up, they have a new... No, no, no, I meant my live journal, my personal one. Oh, boy.
Early Internet Nostalgia
01:02:27
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I'm not gonna try to get that URL on air, but I'm very curious about it. Please, no one docs me if you know what it is. I don't even remember what my last one was. I gotta talk to Eleanor. I don't think Eleanor knows, because I don't know her from that part of my life in late high school.
01:02:47
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yeah i burned all my journals because i was mad and sad yeah i wrote mine on the internet so they lived forever which is a great idea but anyway so i'm i'm still very like i still consider myself a very interior goth but i've been i've moved through all these spaces so i feel very much though i mean yeah you have that a little bit though it's like uh i don't know
01:03:19
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Snarky, like more than snarky. Well, that's kind of the point of what I'm trying to make with the book is that there is not, as far as the preppy culture goes, I'm of course doing it from a white wasp woman, you know, what do you call it? Yeah, wasp. I used to hate the term wasp, but it is really convenient.
01:03:40
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it works right oh yeah yeah it is a wasp sis had femme appearing woman's as far as everybody knows uh perspective
01:03:55
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having that kind of packaging and delivering for this sort of thing is very important, especially if people like they go to Salem, those chop girls can be really intimidating. And some of them are my friends. But I can understand how you wouldn't want to go and ask them a question when you look like me. Right. And I've been snarked at and rebuffed by a bunch of baby goths and baby witches. Ron Swanson in Home Depot, it's like, I know more than you.
01:04:26
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Oh, yeah. What did you say by baby goths and witches? Maybe witches. That just means like people who are new.
01:04:36
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Well, I know what you mean. There have been a lot of good turns of phrase so far, and I have written many of them down. I move in a lot of different circles. Just by virtue of my interests, I move in a lot of different circles, so I pick up these terms from all over the place. And I'm shocked that anyone, including myself, knows what I'm talking about at any given time, because sometimes I don't even know.
01:05:02
Speaker
Language is good. Language is like the reason I'm still alive. It's like you can find like funny words to say, funny phrases to say, huh, that can sustain me forever. It's much better than me quoting a Mitch Hedberg bit for literally any situation in my life. Right. But also, also applicable. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's true.
01:05:29
Speaker
So I guess we can close out. I was going to ask about Jack Kennedy portrait. I was going to ask about if you had other things you just can't get rid of. I don't know. I guess that's like sales trends. One I was thinking of that really surprised me. And this is this is gone for a couple years now. So I.
01:05:57
Speaker
acquired from a prominent local collector, a Murray's Toggery shop, 1960s or 70s Madras jacket that I have not been able to sell either online or in person for about two seasons now. And it's like a 42. Hmm.
01:06:23
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And I have others, other jackets of the same era that have also knock on. Other Madras jackets that I bring out, I've brought out for the past two summers and no takers. So despite all of the complete, like the complete effusion of Mad Ben photos and J Press always does well with Madras and places like that, you know, every March where they decide it's summer now.
01:06:51
Speaker
I still have the Madras and I don't understand why. So you tell me. I wish I knew. Seven. There are, I mean, I don't really sell, like I love tailored clothing.
Challenges with Vintage Sales
01:07:09
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It is something, especially like old stuff like that, like for Murray's or Andover Shop or whatever, these like fabled stores. You know, a Madras jacket is like a cherry on top.
01:07:22
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I never buy that stuff to sell because no one ever buys it when I've tried. And it's so sad to me, like the things that we hold onto that like, you know, we're excited about. You're like, fuck yeah, this thing's cool as shit. Nobody cares. Yeah, it's odd because I definitely buy Madras for myself and I see other people buying it. I see lots of people wearing Madras.
01:07:49
Speaker
Sadly, you know, sadly, no one, no one gives a shit when, when I float that idea out there. It's tragic. I know. It's just tragic. Listen, I would try it on at least. I mean, I have never had any mattress, anything, even though it would, I think be my alley. Right. It's like, uh,
01:08:15
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maximalist, let's say people have other worse adjectives that they use to describe me, but maximalist, I think is fitting in that context. Well, I bring them out every season. I don't feel like, you know, I'm not going to throw them out. So. Right. And they're not going to get any less cool. You just got to wait for the cool to come back around. Right. And until I run out of clothes to sell, I mean, that's where I'll be. Hell yeah.
01:08:44
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Well, Zoe, this has been super fun. I really hope you feel the same, even though we went down some weird tangents. We always like to give our guests a chance to shout out something that they would like to. So here's yours. Well, thank you. I think where I'm most active is Instagram at ZGBernet, where I will be updating followers and whoever cares to take a look at
01:09:14
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for my Preppy Witch primer coming out. Everything will be announced there, and I've been dropping reels of tarot cards I've been designing as a promotional plug for Preppy Witch as the Preppy Witch Tarot, which has been really fun to draw and design. People have asked me if I'm going to do a deck of that. I don't know yet. I'm almost done with the major Arcana cards, which are
01:09:42
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It's only a limited number in the deck and I am planning to release a line of merchandise with some of those designs soon. So go on ZGBernet for that ZGBURNETT. And if you're just interested in the vintage menswear, which I do keep separate because you tried telling a 65 year old dad, oh yeah.
01:10:11
Speaker
Oh, I just got a flashback. Sorry. Oh, to what? That just reminded me of being working in a very, very old shop here and being like a, you know, coming out of hash or I guess a hashtag men's wear weirdo and trying to trying to sell things to people above the age of 70. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:10:39
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I only interact with children. That also, that terrifies me just as much. But anyway, continue. I'm sorry, Sammy. Well, not at all. So if you prefer just to go into the menswear portion where it's just very, very straightforward, that's at Ramshead Vintage on Instagram.
Social Media and Episode Wrap-Up
01:11:00
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I do have some things on Etsy and I will be updating my shop when things get a little bit less insane as far as markets go. So that will be in the next couple of months.
01:11:09
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And other than that, I update both pretty regularly. So follow me there. Yeah, give them a follow. And once again, thanks for coming on and chatting with us. And we will be shouting out all the sides that ZG Burnett encompasses.
01:11:31
Speaker
Thank you. Thanks for having me on. Of course, of course. Yeah, everyone. Thank you for listening. I am Matt Smith at Rebels Rogues. And I'm Connor Nunez at Real Connor Nunez.
01:11:47
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