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At Least Seven Apologies with Leonidas Dezes
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NIGH UNDETECTED CRYPTID "SKUNKAPE" UNLEASHED IN THE STUDIO!
We’re joined by someone possibly more neurotic than us: professor, artist, musician, Greek, Chronicler of Charles Entertainment Cheese, Weezer Geezer, video goon and guru, and many other accolades, not least of which, the logo for this very program!
So, as I know you've wondered, "What towering genius devised your show's incisive yet poignant logo?" I’ll tell you, the one, the only, Leonidas Dezes
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Introduction to Apocalypse Duds Podcast
00:00:00
Conor Fowler
Welcome. Good afternoon. I am your host, Conor Flower.
00:00:10
Matt
And I'm Matt Smith.
00:00:12
Conor Fowler
Welcome to Apocalypse Duds. We have in our orbit an artist unmatched.
Meet Leo Thesis: An Artistic Journey
00:00:21
Leo
What?
00:00:21
Conor Fowler
I've written a little thing here for our friend
00:00:27
Conor Fowler
A respectable Greek, he'll crush the critique. His skills were once weak, his temperament meek. But now he's no pipsqueak. He's a chic chic with mystique and a sleek physique. You could call him a film freak, not quite a guitar geek. They tried to silence him. Now let him speak.
00:00:50
Leo
That's amazing.
00:00:51
Conor Fowler
Leo thesis. Leonidas thesis.
00:00:53
Leo
Sorry.
00:00:55
Leo
Sorry, I didn't mean to write your...
00:00:55
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:00:56
Leo
Look, i'm more I'm starting with a sorry, but I was clapping for that.
00:01:00
Conor Fowler
Go ahead, go ahead.
00:01:01
Leo
i was clapping through your I was clapping for your writing, not myself.
The Creative Spirit of the Podcast
00:01:04
Matt
Yeah.
00:01:04
Conor Fowler
You should be clapping for yourself, frankly, I mean.
00:01:06
Matt
You should, absolutely should.
00:01:06
Leo
But thank you. If not...
00:01:09
Matt
Kotter told me earlier he wants to sound something between Roger Stone and Dr. Seuss. And if that doesn't really sum up,
00:01:17
Leo
Yeah, yeah.
00:01:18
Matt
who he is and and who wrote that and I don't know what what does.
00:01:23
Leo
It's beautiful.
00:01:24
Conor Fowler
I think it's telling. I think it's, and I thought it's nice. It's like, cause I've known Leo like since Leo was like, uh, not a wisened old artist, you know, that's what my job is.
00:01:33
Leo
Oh, you've been so flattering to me, but no, it is, it is crazy.
00:01:37
Matt
Yeah.
00:01:38
Leo
I was thinking about the other day, cause I knew we were doing the podcast. I was like, I can't even remember. Like I always liked Connor in INET common vision, but he wouldn't know like out of all the people, like we'd still whatever just be talking to him.
00:01:51
Conor Fowler
Be friends.
00:01:51
Matt
Yeah.
00:01:52
Leo
Yeah.
00:01:52
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:01:52
Matt
it and And we gotta say the artwork for the show has been done by none other than Leo himself, which is fucking sick.
00:01:52
Conor Fowler
internet
00:02:01
Conor Fowler
I think it's like, yeah, really like channels the spirit of the show.
00:02:02
Matt
And in also we we made to a CV, which made both of us laugh and feel a little bit a little bit more you know like, oh fuck, okay, we're we're actually doing something, then maybe anything else.
00:02:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah, and we are, I mean, it's like, I don't know, it's weird to explain to people like we have this thing that we've created that is like completely ours, basically.
00:02:30
Conor Fowler
um So So you and you are gung ho, like you've always been like down.
00:02:31
Matt
yeah
00:02:35
Conor Fowler
So we're really happy to have you on. And I think you have really grown as a person and as an artist, like before my eyes, skunk, ape for life.
00:02:45
Leo
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know what to say. I'm bashful.
00:02:50
Conor Fowler
You don't have to say much, so we're about to start asking you questions, and then you'll have stuff to say.
00:02:54
Matt
Yeah.
00:02:55
Leo
Then I'll be able to elaborate as much as you need.
00:02:55
Matt
First off, first
00:02:59
Matt
Yeah, yeah, dude, talk. talk we We love people that love to talk because both Connor and myself love to talk.
00:03:03
Leo
Okay. You're just, I just, you know, I'm just getting at a strange time after waking up from a delirious nap and dealing with, and dealing, and dealing with, and dealing with delirious, you know, really, no, really forecast like my bread and butter.
00:03:12
Conor Fowler
Leo already apologized to this for me. He said, usually I'm fully alert at this time.
00:03:20
Leo
Like, yes.
00:03:21
Matt
Yeah, same.
00:03:21
Leo
But I was like, I've been, taught I've been trying to get my schedule better cause I'm going to be with family. So I, cause I'm a late night man, night owl, Leo, check out night owl once.
00:03:28
Matt
Yeah.
00:03:30
Leo
No, I'm not going to permit myself yet, but I can go on about good for
00:03:32
Conor Fowler
Whoa, whoa, whoa, who who who whoa, whoa, whoa, what is that? What does that mean?
00:03:36
Leo
I say, I'm going to not be a braggadocia.
00:03:39
Conor Fowler
You mean it. You don't want to unveil it.
00:03:43
Leo
I want to unveil it, but I'm going to to try to resist my my vain nature. And if anybody asks for a promotion, then I'll do it. But now it's already, now it's already, and that's the tease.
00:03:52
Conor Fowler
Well, if anyone has a promotion as we might toward the end of the show, who can say?
00:04:00
Conor Fowler
That's the tease.
00:04:01
Matt
best this is yeah
00:04:01
Leo
The tease for my promotion. Oh yeah. Okay. Anyway.
00:04:06
Conor Fowler
You do good work, man. I mean, everyone like, I don't know, we get compliments about the show somewhat often. People compliment the artwork of the show almost every time.
00:04:13
Leo
Yes.
00:04:17
Conor Fowler
So it's like, it's I would say it's very, you did, you set out to do something and it is working.
00:04:23
Leo
I'm honored.
00:04:23
Conor Fowler
And that's the p point.
00:04:24
Leo
I'm honored.
00:04:25
Conor Fowler
You're connered.
00:04:26
Leo
I'm honored. I'm confident.
00:04:27
Conor Fowler
I hate that joke. I think I'm retiring it. I don't know what it means.
00:04:29
Matt
Please do. Please do.
00:04:30
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I don't know what it means.
00:04:31
Matt
Please return.
00:04:33
Matt
Leo, before
Leo's Move from Maryland to Florida
00:04:34
Matt
we get started, how's it going today?
00:04:35
Leo
Oh, the weather is beautiful.
00:04:37
Matt
What's the weather like in Florida today?
00:04:41
Leo
The weather When it's not hurricane season, it truly, this is when I'm truly say, I can't walk you to be here. It's very, it's gotta to be like, if like high, it's, I think it got a little warmer.
00:04:49
Matt
Fuck it.
00:04:54
Leo
So it's been like in the high seventies, I think.
00:04:56
Matt
Ooh.
00:04:57
Leo
He got chillier here where it was like 40 at night, but that's nothing. I liked that it got riskier. But yeah, I just, as I already mentioned, I just feel like when you're introducing any stuff, I'm worrying about doing good on the podcast and I'm feeling so nauseous, but not because of you, because that student, I'm not going to be able to stop mentioning that student.
00:05:15
Leo
He's haunting me. This will be the last.
00:05:17
Conor Fowler
fuck this Fuck this motherfucker. Don't let him get under your skin.
00:05:19
Leo
This will be the last time because I'm not going to, I'm not falling back on this old shit. Okay. But you guys saw my day was so I, that was my opportunity to go into it again.
00:05:28
Matt
Yeah.
00:05:29
Leo
That's a video disappeared. I don't know. I'm not seeing him on the video. I hope that's okay. but
00:05:33
Conor Fowler
Matt's out.
00:05:33
Matt
Yeah, yeah, I turn mine off because my internet sucks so bad.
00:05:37
Leo
Okay.
00:05:38
Matt
Just just to throw a, you know, make sure that there's no rinse thrown in the recording.
00:05:38
Leo
Okay.
00:05:44
Conor Fowler
Matt is on a special mission.
00:05:44
Matt
So, yeah, yeah, always.
00:05:49
Conor Fowler
Coordinates unknown.
00:05:53
Matt
just established you live in Florida. Where are you from and how did you end up in Florida?
00:05:55
Leo
Yes. Okay. I'm from good old Maryland. I'm uh, I was born in, I'm going to tell you now people can answer my security questions. I was born in White Marsh, Maryland.
00:06:09
Conor Fowler
You are from Lightmarsh? That's crazy. I didn't realize that you were from Baltimore, basically.
00:06:14
Leo
and won say more way I I was born in the hospital. I lived in Abingdon, which is by like Aberdeen.
00:06:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:06:20
Leo
and so I think it grew a lot since I lived there. i guess it
00:06:22
Conor Fowler
Like on the 95 corridor by Aberdeen Proving Rounds.
00:06:25
Leo
it Yeah, dude, my friend freaked me out. He'd be like, there's mustard gas. If it gets released, you can't smell it and you'll die. I was like, what the fuck? anyway
00:06:32
Conor Fowler
There's not just mustard gas, my God, there's like everything there.
00:06:34
Leo
thought yeah But, man, but yeah, I lived up there till, but basically but it was like a half hour from Baltimore.
00:06:36
Conor Fowler
Under low security, presumably.
00:06:45
Leo
Um, it's why people still point out today that I say glass is weird. Or I say I have a have weird a sound.
00:06:54
Matt
Okay, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
00:06:54
Leo
i fly I don't say water.
00:06:55
Conor Fowler
You are a Baltimore person in the Frank Zappa tradition.
00:06:59
Leo
I say water pretty much, but, but anyway,
00:07:01
Matt
Right, right.
00:07:05
Leo
I guess my point with ending this threat is, oh yeah, I moved to Florida. I was like 11 under much protest for me, but I came to love Florida in its own way.
00:07:19
Leo
And so yeah, I was, yeah.
00:07:20
Conor Fowler
Cause you've been there for kind of, you've been there for kind of a while and you don't ever really entertain my, it's not like I'm shitting on Florida that much.
00:07:21
Leo
anymore
00:07:27
Conor Fowler
I finally have like gone to Florida. I went to Destin, Florida and it was fine.
00:07:32
Leo
i know
00:07:33
Conor Fowler
I mean, I didn't, you know, it's like, I don't want to be in a white supremacist location, generally speaking.
00:07:39
Leo
I kind of understand that. I seem to only go between them, Idaho, Florida, but I was in Idaho for a year.
00:07:44
Conor Fowler
but But Idaho, but Idaho is like, that was for your job.
00:07:50
Leo
Yes. Oh yeah, Florida has just been my home now since I went well after my, just after my unceremonious dismissal from UMBC.
00:08:01
Conor Fowler
Which we will get into that, certainly. I mean, I feel like we should leave with that, frankly, because, well, it's good.
00:08:04
Leo
but
00:08:09
Conor Fowler
So, but we can...
00:08:14
Conor Fowler
Well,
00:08:14
Leo
Yeah, I'm like losing my train of thought a little bit, but like I said, I'm tired and delirious and, but, um.
00:08:19
Conor Fowler
well so you surely can talk about video, like...
Early Experiences in Video Editing
00:08:26
Conor Fowler
So you were like alive, basically, for...
00:08:31
Conor Fowler
the maturation of the form, I guess, for video, you know what I mean?
00:08:35
Leo
Hmm.
00:08:38
Conor Fowler
like Because it had existed in a very so like static way for a long time, right?
00:08:39
Leo
Wait, what?
00:08:46
Leo
For video?
00:08:46
Conor Fowler
It was on film.
00:08:48
Leo
Okay.
00:08:50
Conor Fowler
And then you have been alive, I have been alive for almost all of digital video. So did you come to it young? Like where you did you have like a tape video like?
00:09:01
Leo
Ooh, yes. Okay, you're gonna be excited. I'd love to talk about myself. I'm Leo Moon, astrology. I'll talk, I'm no longer ashamed of my astrology. I'll talk about it.
00:09:13
Leo
Anyway, I'm done apologizing. I've studied astrology for years. It's accurate to some degree, but I'm going on a different tangent. What was the original question?
00:09:24
Conor Fowler
video man your whole fucking thing but that was like hog shit i mean that was like not easy yeah well and that's that's kind of what i'm saying like it very slowly
00:09:25
Leo
Yeah. Video. Video. Okay. So I feel like there was an early generation, then like Gen X had like video tape where they could scan it into like early, like maybe When I was at Stetson, the standard for videos like 720 by 480 and there were like rectangular pixels I had to navigate or Lee would warp your holes. Oh God.
00:09:51
Leo
And that's the other thing. I'm envious of kids now that can just film movies on their parents' phones or their iPads or whatever.
00:09:56
Conor Fowler
My god, yeah.
00:09:58
Leo
I saw a commercial for some kids' video camera. I don't even know what it was if it was a real video camera or not, but we didn't have internet. Oh, a commercial. Oh, a kids' video camera. I asked my parents for that.
00:10:09
Leo
I call it kids' video camera. They have no idea what that means probably.
00:10:13
Conor Fowler
Right.
00:10:14
Leo
They get a real video camera and i'm like, oh my god I can't believe this and it's because I think I kept asking for it.
00:10:16
Conor Fowler
Oh, fuck.
00:10:21
Leo
So I made like Basically once I got it though, I didn't get to do too much in Maryland before we moved to Florida and I kind of had to make some new friends, which I, which was fine. Like I, but it wasn't the same like tight court with a bunch of kids.
00:10:33
Leo
I had to like, it took a bit longer, but anyway, I made a few movies.
00:10:34
Conor Fowler
Mm hmm. Yeah, moving sucks.
00:10:37
Leo
I made like their own YouTube, I think they're like a Jurassic park movie and a movie called ultra fighters, which was modeled at their mortal column bat.
00:10:45
Conor Fowler
I got to see the fucking Jurassic Park one at least.
00:10:46
Leo
But it's a good point because I couldn't do editing either. Like now people can go on TikTok and blah, blah, blah. I had to film the movie in sequence. There's like fucked up edits.
00:10:54
Conor Fowler
That's what I'm saying.
00:10:56
Leo
And then there was the time where I got Sony Vegas on a Presorio 6000 Windows XP computer.
00:11:02
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:11:04
Leo
And I was able to scan a video in and I could edit, I could edit.
00:11:05
Conor Fowler
yeah this is like what year
00:11:09
Leo
What did you say? I'm sorry.
00:11:12
Leo
As in three, dude, you got it exactly right. Right when I moved to the forest in Paisley, I could edit, I could edit, yeah, I could edit, edit, um, angels in the bowling place, which was a movie based on angels in the outfield.
00:11:25
Conor Fowler
Whoa, dude! See, you really do have a fucking, you have a comedic genius about you, you do.
Childhood Creativity and Nostalgia
00:11:33
Leo
do more if I actually tried that one because people said I should do it, but.
00:11:33
Conor Fowler
Leo would never say this. Leo is trying to get into stand-up, which Leo would be great at.
00:11:42
Conor Fowler
You could do it, you had the great delivery.
00:11:44
Leo
When I was like applying to the adult swim streams and I was gonna and i was go to do Thank you, I was about to complain about something I'm not gonna complain about that That strikes a very big memory Oh
00:11:47
Conor Fowler
Angels in the bowling alley, it's so fucking funny.
00:11:55
Conor Fowler
I had, did you do you, were you aware of the Lego movie maker camera?
00:12:05
Conor Fowler
Cause I like, I like had that thing and I was like, how could a child possibly do this?
00:12:12
Leo
That might've been something I saw and wanted. Like that, I never encountered one.
00:12:16
Conor Fowler
I'm sure it was very expensive.
00:12:18
Leo
Yeah, I never encountered one, but that.
00:12:20
Conor Fowler
What was a bill bo is it?
00:12:21
Leo
re
00:12:22
Conor Fowler
It was a piece of shit camera you had to plug into the computer.
00:12:23
Leo
Yeah.
00:12:26
Leo
Yeah. I mean, I remember that.
00:12:28
Conor Fowler
So it was like I was trying to shoot movies outside and it's like my my desktop computer, my e-machines is not coming out here.
00:12:33
Leo
Dude, I saved up allowance money to buy this thing called a Jamcam, an early digital camera. It was absolute shit. But me and my sister got it, Jamcam.
00:12:42
Conor Fowler
Huh.
00:12:45
Leo
And we could take...
00:12:45
Conor Fowler
I think I remember that because they were making like kind of ru rudimentary like yakback type devices.
00:12:47
Leo
Jamcam!
00:12:52
Leo
Dude, Yakback, yes! Dude, talk, I had a talk going.
00:12:58
Matt
oh yeah I always wanted one but never never got one yeah my parents definitely did that in different ways like they bought me my first like electric guitar and that kind of shit but yeah like I
00:12:59
Leo
in the elementary school. That was what I recorded my first songs on. I loved the Talkboy.
00:13:05
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I had a little tape.
00:13:09
Leo
I'm lucky with my parents got me those, they knew I was creative and they were cool to get me that stuff.
00:13:17
Conor Fowler
That's nice.
00:13:22
Leo
Oh, nice, nice. mean
00:13:25
Matt
I had no idea at that point like what anything recording was. I just wanted to talk away from like, oh, one, two.
00:13:32
Leo
Yeah. I don't even, I didn't even know it was from Home Alone or something. I just like, God, I don't even know. It was crazy, but that's.
00:13:39
Conor Fowler
cause my I don't even know.
00:13:40
Matt
It was such interesting product for the time period.
00:13:44
Leo
I know. I know it's really cool with the extendable mic and you could slow down like the voice.
00:13:44
Conor Fowler
I think I probably know what this looks like.
00:13:48
Leo
It was cool.
00:13:48
Matt
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:50
Matt
it was it was like
00:13:50
Leo
That was pretty cool.
00:13:51
Conor Fowler
This is like vaguely recognizable to me.
00:13:52
Leo
I recorded, I recorded the Good Burger song.
00:13:56
Matt
Ha ha ha ha ha!
00:13:57
Conor Fowler
It's a fucking deep cut.
00:13:58
Leo
and like In theaters, at the end of the movie, I was like, okay, I have to record the Good Burger song. And my mom and sister waited while I recorded the Good Burger song. I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude.
00:14:09
Leo
I'm my talk boy. And that's how I had a copy of that for years.
00:14:11
Matt
Oh, that's fucking funny.
00:14:15
Leo
Pirating.
00:14:16
Matt
Pirating, yeah.
00:14:17
Conor Fowler
Well, like my mom had, little recorders around all over the place because she was a, she is a writer and she like has to record stuff all the time, record interviews.
00:14:26
Leo
That's cool that your mom is a writer. That's like awesome.
00:14:29
Conor Fowler
Well, so it's just easy. It was like, it just was there and you just like, that was, I don't know, I guess it was, kids the tactile nature of it was like more convenient.
00:14:34
Leo
Yeah,
00:14:44
Leo
yeah definitely. There's definitely something about those devices. They have, I don't want to get too nostalgic. getting I'm getting old, but.
00:14:53
Matt
yeah we we all are yeah
00:14:54
Leo
there There are things, everything changes and people either just adopt or lament the, oh, the change, it's not the old. It's just like, you may already know this, but I'll figure this out.
00:15:06
Leo
It's just, there's good things, there's bad things. There's things we gain, there's things we lose. Things are different and they're always changing.
00:15:15
Leo
And I just try to, I try to roll things, but I still get tripped up by student emails.
00:15:16
Conor Fowler
wow wow zen kons zen kons yeah i just like i know my professors i was close to were super mean to students
00:15:17
Matt
Yeah, we all are.
00:15:34
Leo
Yeah, just the the way that, I don't even know how to describe it, but like the corporatization of the university combined with students,
00:15:48
Leo
I don't even know how to describe it. I don't want to make sweeping statements about students, but like this is public. There's like, I think professors have, I think professors have started to grade easier.
00:15:57
Conor Fowler
You don't have to knock them. i mean
00:16:00
Leo
I think students have gotten more, like they'll fight things more on like, since COVID it's made all these extra like allowances with adaptive things.
00:16:13
Leo
I think just, yeah, the only reason I was just mentioning it, I said I wouldn't mention it again, but i was if I'm gonna mention it in a comedic callback, I will mention it again because the comedy comes first.
00:16:25
Leo
Is it comedic or is it sad?
00:16:26
Conor Fowler
Yes, yes.
00:16:27
Leo
Is it comedic or is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad?
00:16:32
Conor Fowler
right well that's what i was just saying it's like yeah it's about sadness sad people are funny a lot of the time if they're lucky they're funny no no i'm sorry i'm reading like
00:16:34
Leo
Is it sad?
00:16:42
Leo
Is it sad?
00:16:50
Leo
okay dereil this again no
00:16:57
Leo
Oh yeah, were there notes that I was supposed to see? Cause that's, what you're talking about that.
00:17:00
Conor Fowler
No, we can't we kept that from you because we're cruel.
00:17:04
Leo
Cool.
Animation Challenges and Techniques
00:17:05
Leo
The mystery.
00:17:05
Conor Fowler
I was going to ask, I guess, like to get into the show a little bit.
00:17:09
Conor Fowler
like how do you How do you think about clothing when you are making it in animation, and when you're animating it?
00:17:10
Leo
Yes.
00:17:18
Conor Fowler
right Because you're not animating naked people. So there are clothes, presumably. And so I wonder. like you would want to make them as realistic as possible for the most part, right?
00:17:31
Leo
That's a good question for which I have an answer that's not as great as the question. um I don't animate clothes that much. A lot of my animations are like I'm drawing two dimensional forms. And so if I am drawing clothing, you do have to think about how it's changing. There was a time.
00:17:52
Leo
where I kind of switched my focus from drawing into music and digital so video stuff more, where I didn't keep up with like my like proper drawing skills much.
00:17:57
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:18:03
Leo
And I feel like I never actually even learned the proper way and did life studies and stuff about how clothing falls. So I feel like, i so yeah, when I encountered clothing, I still think it has like a stiffness because I don't know exactly how to treat it.
00:18:10
Conor Fowler
But you have a unique style because you didn't.
00:18:18
Conor Fowler
Well, so that's like what's so good about the fucking Leo does these drawings of Chuck E.
00:18:20
Leo
and school yes or
00:18:25
Conor Fowler
Cheese.
00:18:26
Leo
Oh, that he's fat dude. Somebody posted on the weezer forms a post about Chuckie cheese. That is incredible to me. I'll share it. That's what got me going. It it's in a brilliant analysis of Chuckie cheese.
00:18:36
Leo
It's the weezer forms. That was another thing I just forgot about. I'm sorry. I interrupted you.
00:18:40
Conor Fowler
No, no, dude, and we talk about forums on this show all the time.
00:18:41
Leo
we right
00:18:44
Leo
I can't really just jump from thing to thing. And if I'm the person being interviewed and you're telling me I can talk. Oh, well, okay. Let's go.
00:18:52
Matt
Let's do it.
00:18:52
Conor Fowler
You're gonna get, you're gonna get fan mail for this, Leo.
00:18:53
Matt
Let's do it.
00:18:56
Leo
who bought Holy. Holy moly. Holy moly.
00:19:01
Conor Fowler
Jesus Christ.
00:19:03
Leo
Jesus Christ.
00:19:03
Conor Fowler
Well, so I was right, we're doing we're talking about the Chuck E. Cheese, Chuck E.
00:19:06
Leo
Jesus Christ.
00:19:06
Conor Fowler
Cheese was in uniform.
Analysis of Chuck E. Cheese
00:19:09
Conor Fowler
and it was like very disgusting.
00:19:12
Leo
Swindle or Chuckie cheese.
00:19:13
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:19:14
Leo
I always somehow knew he was disgusting. Sorry. I said that far away because I probably went away from the mic.
00:19:17
Conor Fowler
Charles Entertainment Cheese, yeah. I just like, and Skunk Ape, all that weirdo cartoon stuff.
00:19:22
Leo
Sleezy. I knew Chuckie cheese was sleazy.
00:19:27
Matt
i I say on Showtime Pizza, that was the original.
00:19:28
Leo
Oh, yes, you know, I was
00:19:31
Conor Fowler
Did they have coin operating machines?
00:19:32
Leo
i
00:19:34
Matt
uh... yeah they did like it it was basically but i think i think that like i can't remember the exact story there's that there's apparently numerous podcasts on this uh... and and writings about showtime and chucky cheese but showtime is what like i grew up with in early childhood and then chucky cheese like like they sued the uh... i don't fucking remember what what happened but showtime was basically like like hillbilly bears that were like a bluegrass band. And that was the the impetus behind it.
00:20:11
Leo
Yeah, I know about it.
00:20:13
Conor Fowler
Can't argue with hillbilly bears, certainly, I mean.
00:20:14
Leo
My.
00:20:18
Leo
Yeah. I've.
00:20:22
Conor Fowler
Because they have a they have they have this kind of robust origin story for all of the characters, right?
00:20:22
Leo
There's.
00:20:28
Leo
Oh, yeah.
00:20:28
Conor Fowler
There's like Dweezle.
00:20:31
Matt
Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
00:20:33
Conor Fowler
The dog, what is the dog's name? We don't know. Is it just Chuck E. Cheese? I thought you were read into this shit.
00:20:41
Leo
Oh, me? item I know that I draw Chuck E.
00:20:42
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:20:45
Leo
Cheese. I don't know all the extra characters. that's I know that a lot of specific things, but Chuck E.
00:20:47
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:50
Leo
Cheese fandom is actually not one of them.
00:20:54
Conor Fowler
You are not on the Chuck E.
00:20:55
Leo
Really? I'm not inspired by that.
00:20:56
Conor Fowler
Cheese forums.
00:20:56
Leo
That Weezer post honestly inspired it. The Weezer post is so incredible. And they say how he was rebranded as this like teen mouse. And it's not like how his true nature, it's just brilliant.
00:21:09
Leo
I'm not doing it just as described yet, but I haven't shaked my finger because it's just, it was too amazing.
00:21:11
Matt
this This sounds like a great conspiracy theory if I'm being honest.
00:21:17
Leo
But yeah,
00:21:18
Conor Fowler
How long have you been on the Weezer forums?
00:21:21
Leo
since 2008, When I check it, I used to go all the time.
00:21:24
Conor Fowler
So that's like,
00:21:26
Leo
I like hardly go now. I'm not, but it did change, but like there were some hilarious times on there, man.
00:21:33
Conor Fowler
all of the forms are dead. I mean, all of them are dead from this part.
00:21:35
Leo
Forms have sadly died as like,
00:21:37
Conor Fowler
Yeah. 2008 is like Pinkerton or earlier than then.
00:21:44
Matt
No.
00:21:44
Leo
2008 was when they had a red album come out.
00:21:48
Matt
yeah
00:21:49
Conor Fowler
Oh, that's why I don't remember what it was.
00:21:51
Leo
I was always sad that I had messed out in a Pinkerton there because I was seven when Pinkerton came out. I didn't even know what was happening. I discovered Pinkerton in high school, grade 10. I hear blew out my hair.
00:22:02
Leo
I always knew about Weezer and their singles. I didn't know I would click with them so much. And I was so into pop punk and like specifically like Blink-1A2, Green Day and stuff and all this like fast music. And then hearing Weezer's kind of like sludgy style.
00:22:14
Leo
in his They would do different things. I just was like, dude, the the melodies. Oh, man. But i my Weezer love has kind of been like, I've heard them a lot. I'm kind of like, okay, I'm a little weezered out.
00:22:25
Leo
People thinking.
00:22:25
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
00:22:26
Leo
as
00:22:26
Conor Fowler
It's the weezer, the weezer Wayne.
00:22:27
Matt
but I feel the same way about like Smashing Pumpkins.
00:22:31
Leo
Oh, yeah.
00:22:31
Conor Fowler
Oh, definitely.
00:22:32
Matt
I kind of came to the realization recently that I was like, I like some of it, but it stops at a certain point and I just really don't like, I'm not gonna put on a Smashing Pumpkins record for the most part.
00:22:44
Conor Fowler
Some of the guitar is amazing, but like, I just can't stand Billy Corgan's voice anymore.
00:22:46
Leo
Oh, yeah.
00:22:50
Leo
Billy Corgan.
00:22:51
Conor Fowler
Much like my own voice, it's terrible. And I don't want to hear it anymore.
00:22:56
Leo
a and let go All the fans, therere they annoy me.
00:22:58
Conor Fowler
Yeah, see, that's fucking good. That's good.
00:23:05
Leo
I can't do I'm fascinated.
00:23:05
Matt
Yeah, yeah.
00:23:06
Conor Fowler
wow
00:23:07
Matt
I mean, honestly, Billy Corgan also annoys me, but...
00:23:10
Leo
I still watch Billy Corgan interviews because these people, they fascinate me.
00:23:15
Matt
Yeah. yeah
00:23:16
Leo
I think people give Billy Corgan too much of a hard time. just like he's Sometimes he's just being a little, whatever, he's just being how he is.
00:23:23
Conor Fowler
I think that I think that it's good that you described Weezer as sludgy because I like wouldn't really have thought of them in that way.
00:23:23
Leo
But he's definitely in no way.
00:23:32
Conor Fowler
But like, if you hear like hash pipe, right?
Musical Influences: Weezer and Blink-182
00:23:34
Conor Fowler
Like that's like.
00:23:35
Leo
I think early Weezer is more, and they get they get more sheen on themselves as they go on.
00:23:40
Conor Fowler
Everything kind of got shinier.
00:23:42
Leo
And I still like a lot of late weezer. I like, I really do like their, I used to say they're my favorite band. I still, I say they're my second favorite. I still blink when I eat too. I love blinking too.
00:23:52
Conor Fowler
See, you're the only person that I would not give a hard time about this.
00:23:56
Leo
And I used to get a hard time about it so much, but it's so just like astrology. I don't care anymore. Blink 22 is not even trying to relive your youth.
00:24:01
Conor Fowler
Yeah, my roommate loves my roommate loves Lincoln anything.
00:24:05
Leo
No, there's other bands from my youth. I don't want Blink 22 just has that speed, the melody, the energy, the humor. I realized that they had an irreverence. Even if they were in the pop world, that's all I knew at the time.
00:24:17
Leo
All I knew was F and T. I didn't have the internet. They were anti other stuff. Blink 22 I love.
00:24:25
Conor Fowler
I have a story about a enema of the state.
00:24:29
Leo
Why am I watching myself in this video as I talk?
00:24:33
Conor Fowler
i my god I got my grandmother to buy it for me and we took it back to my grandparents' house and my grandfather saw the cover, which has a nurse like with an open blouse like and a glove, like whatever.
00:24:34
Leo
Tell me, sorry.
00:24:54
Conor Fowler
And he's like, he can't have this. And she's like, what do you mean? And he's like, look at it. He can't have this. I mean, he's like a child. He's just not allowed to have this. They didn't give it to me.
00:25:06
Leo
Hell yeah,
00:25:07
Conor Fowler
I must have been like eight or nine. I don't know. I had definitely like pulled a fast one, you know.
00:25:13
Leo
yeah I get it. I thought I got lucky. It's similar. I ordered it. My parents had some a catalog, I guess, where you could order CDs like a lot for like a cheap price. So they asked me like, Hey, you can pick out like two or three CDs.
00:25:26
Leo
And I was like,
00:25:26
Conor Fowler
They had all that kind of weirdo catalog shit.
00:25:28
Leo
And I was like, yeah, I was like, Oh, I liked, what's my age again? And it's all the small things. And I, and I was like, I'll get that CD. And then it came and it was like explicit content at the nurse, but they just didn't even like, my mom was cool with that.
00:25:39
Leo
She must, she was just like, whatever he's like, my mom wasn't too restricted in that way, which I was very, but I wouldn't even, I wasn't a kid that wanted to get into like adult stuff.
00:25:49
Leo
I was very much like, I enjoy being a kid. Like I'm in their rush.
00:25:51
Matt
Right, right. Well, and and that probably like explains your, your love of Cleveland and you two at that time period. Like they were still very cheeky and like kid-like in a lot of ways.
00:26:01
Leo
Yeah.
00:26:05
Leo
Yeah, dude. And some of their humor is like, all their humor is like, I still don't think it's like a lame or it's like, okay.
00:26:07
Conor Fowler
Kiki is mad as ever. Excellent.
00:26:13
Leo
Yeah. It's like the fricking low level, whatever gross out work.
00:26:16
Matt
Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, I'll go back and watch like a lot of, you know, the old schools and and that kind of shit from the early 2000s. Like that that kind of humor, if it's not, you know, punching down in certain ways, it ages super well.
00:26:34
Leo
I was, I was just saying, I guess, I don't even know. I never even, even, I never even liked that style of humor, but I still like them.
00:26:43
Matt
Yeah, sure.
00:26:43
Conor Fowler
Well, I thought that like, and this is like maybe a take, whatever. Like I listened to Blink-182 certainly when I was a kid because it's like what was on the radio. It's like what was available.
00:26:52
Leo
Yeah.
00:26:52
Conor Fowler
And they had Adam's song, right? Which is like about a suicide.
00:26:57
Leo
Yeah.
00:26:59
Conor Fowler
And it's like, not a, like, they're not being like flippant about it at all.
00:27:00
Matt
Yeah.
00:27:06
Conor Fowler
It's like very ah I don't know, pretty, ahead of its time, I would say.
00:27:14
Leo
Yeah, they get they're getting serious. They're getting serious. This is our serious song, Track 7.
00:27:20
Matt
Right.
00:27:20
Conor Fowler
But i I don't remember them being like, this is our song about suicide.
00:27:21
Leo
there allan go
00:27:26
Leo
yeah and and And Mark being sad and depressed on tour.
00:27:26
Conor Fowler
you know
00:27:30
Matt
Right.
00:27:32
Conor Fowler
He is really into aliens now, right?
00:27:32
Leo
I'm a Blinkling 2 or Weezer Scholar.
00:27:35
Matt
No, but that's Tom that says aliens.
00:27:37
Leo
dude ask Ask anything about Blinkling 2 or Weezer, I'll answer it. I am a scholar on those more than anything.
00:27:42
Conor Fowler
Did Travis Walker survive a plane crash?
00:27:45
Leo
Yes, it's incredible. And Mark survived cancer. The story I could have never guessed at is really like this.
00:27:48
Conor Fowler
Wow, dude.
00:27:50
Leo
And Tom along with, I'm involved with the government with like this UAP stuff, whatever, wherever wherever they're going, it's I'm highly suspicious of the government.
00:27:51
Conor Fowler
Dude, you you need...
00:27:55
Matt
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:27:59
Leo
When have they ever been honest with us? Really? It's actually like, it's honest. It's actually crazy. They've been lying to us and it' so many different things. It's actually crazier to believe what they say.
00:28:10
Leo
But then what do we believe? We have to believe something, but real on it back in,
00:28:16
Conor Fowler
You're really coming into your own here. I think it's excellent.
00:28:19
Leo
I lost my train of thought once again.
00:28:21
Conor Fowler
No, no, no. You're talking about the Blink-182 coercion with the US government to either discover or obfuscate aliens.
00:28:33
Matt
obfuscate.
00:28:35
Conor Fowler
Obfuscate.
00:28:36
Leo
right Why are they, why now? Why are they, this weird stuff is afoot. That's all I know.
00:28:45
Conor Fowler
Do you think, ah do you think that reptilians are real?
Thoughts on Conspiracy Theories
00:28:55
Leo
If you ask me that question, no, I will.
00:28:56
Conor Fowler
You don't have to answer that. You don't have to answer that.
00:29:00
Leo
If you ask me that question a few years ago, I would have already said no way.
00:29:06
Leo
I'll say this. I don't rule anything out so quickly anymore. I'm not going to answer in an active affirmative because that's not that either.
00:29:10
Conor Fowler
Once you discovered the skunk ape,
00:29:16
Leo
But I'm going to say crazier things have happened. Have they though?
00:29:21
Matt
Yeah.
00:29:22
Leo
I don't know. Okay. That's my.
00:29:25
Conor Fowler
No, i think that that's not I think that that's not unreasonable. And like what we know, for example, George W. Bush was warned explicitly about Osama bin Laden targeting US infrastructure with passenger airplanes and did nothing about it.
00:29:37
Leo
oh
00:29:41
Leo
Yeah, there's also remember that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, I'm not sure if that's true, but because supposedly he.
00:29:47
Conor Fowler
I think that's a complicated one.
00:29:47
Leo
wanted Churchill is beginning to see in the world. I'm not a super history buff, but.
00:29:53
Conor Fowler
Well, it's like, I think that there is dispute about it in the first place is like, maybe it wasn't like a Japanese surprise attack, right?
00:30:04
Conor Fowler
Like like the 9-11 thing.
00:30:06
Leo
Yeah. Or they had intelligence that like, something might have becoming. And he's like, well, this could be yeah exactly an excuse to get, and see, you would think, oh, that's crazy.
00:30:17
Leo
But then you hear about Operation Northwoods, the proposed, you know, about this proposed thing where they, they proposed it like JFK to like blow up a plane and blame it on Cuba.
00:30:22
Conor Fowler
Here we go.
00:30:27
Leo
And that would have just killed innocent people on a plane. And that would have been a terrorist government.
00:30:30
Conor Fowler
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they loved it. The bay up a whole Bay of Pigs thing, the whole all of it, though, like anti-communist fervor led to this.
00:30:38
Leo
yeah do
00:30:41
Conor Fowler
You know, they weren't targeting ah whatever. I mean, they they weren't targeting like people in the in Europe, really, although they kind of were with like standing secret armies.
00:30:58
Conor Fowler
Which just sounds insane, but it's like that's the CIA.
00:31:00
Leo
Yeah. The CIA.
00:31:02
Conor Fowler
They admit to doing this stuff.
00:31:03
Leo
The CIA is really dangerous.
00:31:08
Conor Fowler
Criminals in action. A great man once said.
00:31:11
Leo
Oh my God. That's great. That's great.
00:31:16
Conor Fowler
So what is?
00:31:16
Leo
Don't get me started. I could get, political I'll get political, but I'm scared because they'll like, I'm at like a Florida public institution. I don't know. They can like, I feel like I have to self censor
Teaching Style and Student Feedback
00:31:26
Leo
and it comes back again to school again.
00:31:26
Conor Fowler
Well,
00:31:30
Conor Fowler
What are your students, how do your how do you think your students perceive you?
00:31:30
Leo
but
00:31:35
Leo
I think most students think I'm a cool teacher. I've gotten enough feedback now to, to say that I know that students are like enjoying my style and enjoying my class.
00:31:39
Conor Fowler
For sure.
00:31:45
Leo
And I know that they're learning stuff.
00:31:47
Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude.
00:31:47
Leo
And I think, I think some people don't like, aren't into my shtick because some people just aren't into certain stuff. Like, because some people say I'm funny, but whoever's, you know, there's always people that think someone isn't funny.
00:31:58
Leo
So it's like, okay, I know that there's like probably some haters out there.
00:32:00
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I was gonna say, you know what? You tell those people you you have no sense of humor.
00:32:05
Leo
But yeah, it's like, you know, that's why, like I said, that I just, yeah, and the last time I checked it.
00:32:10
Conor Fowler
are you all Have you checked your RateMyProfessor.com ratings?
00:32:15
Leo
one person said I was the worst teacher. And then another person said I was the best.
00:32:20
Conor Fowler
so
00:32:21
Leo
And like I said, because they're so opposite, it fucks with my brain so much that I'm like, I can't even look at it.
00:32:21
Conor Fowler
Wow.
00:32:26
Leo
But more people say I'm good than bad. So that's why I look at least, but see, I'm coming across as like, oh, conceited or like communically, not conceited, but you know what I mean?
00:32:35
Leo
I'm like communically confident.
00:32:36
Conor Fowler
It's part of the, it's part of the steak.
00:32:37
Leo
But no, but to myself, I'm like, we'll focus on the negative, I'll focus on the one negative thing. And that's why the student freaks me out. Cause I'm like, the student is like Caliente
00:32:45
Conor Fowler
Did they give you the hot pepper, the caliente?
00:32:50
Leo
pepper. Oh, they got rid of that. So I never had to see if I would get, cause that's not PC anymore.
00:32:53
Conor Fowler
Oh, they didn't allow people to objectify humans. Right.
00:32:58
Leo
PC is a 90s term. People say, I'll now say woke, I guess, but, or there's a different term for it. What is it? Woke is the name.
00:33:05
Conor Fowler
D-I -D-E-I.
00:33:08
Leo
But yeah, whatever.
00:33:08
Conor Fowler
These all reach out Republican shorthand.
00:33:10
Leo
You got rid of hot professors. Come on, man.
00:33:14
Conor Fowler
Some of my professors were on the hot professors listed.
00:33:16
Leo
We're all adults. Do you understand that we're all adults in college? Can't they have a hot professor on a website?
00:33:26
Leo
I had a professor at Idaho. I'm revealing all the secrets. A professor in Idaho told me that in the 70s, everybody was mingling with their students.
00:33:35
Conor Fowler
Fucking. Oh, certainly. Yeah. And I know, my friends said that they were like propositioned by professors when they were like 19, which is just like, yeah.
00:33:49
Leo
Yeah. I'm only saying I would, I don't even know how I would behave if I lived in the seventies because I don't know what I would be like in the seventies, but it's just like, we're just, my point is, can we at least have the hot pepper?
00:34:02
Leo
That's my point to bring it back.
00:34:04
Conor Fowler
Yeah, hell yeah. Bring it back. Bring back the hot professor rating. Because see, it makes people feel bad. It makes people like sad about their tenure and their like seniority and they need something to bitch about, I guess. And thus, no more hot pepper.
00:34:30
Leo
all right
00:34:32
Conor Fowler
Truly.
00:34:33
Leo
Okay.
00:34:33
Conor Fowler
Well, so, yeah, I didn't want to get out.
00:34:33
Leo
i mean Oh yeah.
00:34:35
Conor Fowler
I didn't want to get up to the the leaving Instagram thing, like, because I feel like that is political. Right. But like, good.
00:34:46
Leo
Yeah, that only lasted three days, but I was so stubborn when I did it, but then, okay, I'll go into that.
00:34:48
Conor Fowler
Fuck, man, you got to.
00:34:58
Leo
I posted the thing. Okay. Everybody's Luigi CEO guy. Okay.
00:35:03
Conor Fowler
Mm hmm.
00:35:04
Leo
I said, I still don't support killing anyone.
00:35:08
Conor Fowler
I was arguing with someone about that just the other day, yes.
00:35:08
Leo
I don't, people are making, people are making memes and stuff and I can, whatever I can find them funny, but I still don't support that. That's the way things can be dealt with at the same time.
00:35:22
Leo
I pointed out. that the U.S. government seems to have no problem with killing in a myriad of circumstances and allows and even funds many things that some say are pretty bad.
Political Views and Social Media Protest
00:35:36
Leo
And it's one of those like, oh, it's like a what about, oh, what about this? But I just got so, it's like, you wanna do something, you wanna say something and I feel so powerless. You post something on Instagram and I think, but what's an Instagram thing gonna do but incite people to be mad at me or think I'm cool.
00:35:52
Leo
But point is I got once it did that, once it did that, I never had an issue.
00:35:55
Conor Fowler
Well, that's kind of the paradox, right?
00:35:59
Leo
It was, it was saying that it had issues uploading. Like it was my connection, but I restarted my router. I went on different devices. I was testing. I was like, Oh, it's not, it's not my connection. It's they're blocking me from posting stories.
00:36:12
Leo
I had no problem with any other internet. They just blocked my story posting ability. So I said, fine, I'm not going to engage with this and just turn it off in a rage, in a, in a calm to rage.
00:36:23
Conor Fowler
Well, it's like they have taken truly away our ability to do anything.
00:36:24
Leo
What?
00:36:28
Leo
Yeah. But then I talked to so many people in there, like, and honestly, a girl from a fellow professor, like a fellow professor, if don if what if she's listening to this, she's not listening to this.
00:36:41
Leo
She messaged me on there.
00:36:42
Conor Fowler
You never know.
00:36:42
Leo
And I was like, I got to, I got a, I know I never have any romantic prospects lately.
00:36:43
Conor Fowler
Our audience is vast.
00:36:48
Leo
I have to at least talk to her on Instagram, but I haven't really talked to her because I still haven't. That's a whole and nother thing. We don't think.
00:36:54
Conor Fowler
because you're in your protest resignation from Instagram. Yeah, but the problem is there's no alternative.
00:37:02
Leo
Exactly.
00:37:04
Conor Fowler
Like I'm well aware of threads and I'm not interested.
00:37:05
Leo
i got you like
00:37:08
Leo
I haven't set up for threads. It still tries to get me to set up for threads. Have you set up for threads?
00:37:13
Conor Fowler
Yeah. And I think the show is on threads too, but it's like,
00:37:15
Leo
It tells me all my threads are using threads. I say I'm not joining threads.
00:37:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah, I don't i don't know. i just like I don't even really know what I object to, but like it's not the same shit that I liked from before that was taken away from me. So I have nothing, basically.
00:37:34
Conor Fowler
I don't even look at Reddit. And like I feel like my Instagram is like the same three or eight posts for a while, for like days, even if I refresh it.
00:37:46
Leo
Yeah.
00:37:49
Conor Fowler
And that's just like what they have designed.
00:37:53
Leo
Yeah. I get a pretty good mix. It's interesting that no, I don't, you know, just like it's the same. The same. I don't know. Same stuff. Same ads. They.
00:38:02
Conor Fowler
Right, right. It all feels like the same experience now, but it is all basically the same company. So interesting.
00:38:10
Leo
Yeah. That's another thing.
00:38:16
Conor Fowler
What do you think Mark Zuckerberg is doing right now?
00:38:16
Leo
windsurfing
00:38:22
Matt
yeah
00:38:24
Conor Fowler
That's a great answer. And that's like probably most of the truth.
00:38:26
Matt
First thing that comes to mind, honestly.
00:38:28
Leo
i saw some video oh yeah i saw oh yeah for sure
00:38:30
Conor Fowler
But it's like a robot.
00:38:34
Matt
I mean, if our Achilleans are real, he is definitely one of them.
00:38:39
Conor Fowler
Oh, for certain.
00:38:41
Leo
I can't believe I didn't answer in the clear no to that answer. Um, Um, but anyway, look, I'm second guessing myself. People are gonna, okay. and Enough about that, the people, but you know, I saw some, I saw some Facebook, no, on Instagram, some video of Mark Zuckerberg. I forgot what it was saying, but he was like, you're just wearing this like really baggy sweatshirt and had some like chain necklace thing. And I was like, what?
00:39:06
Leo
And his hair was like extra mixed up. I'm like, is he just trying to be like a cool guy now or something? Just like, just like, you know, I don't know. Do you need to, but I don't want to, whatever. I'm judging him. I try not to judge people, but we all judge. I'm trying, I'm wrestling with spirituality. I'm reconnecting with spirituality. That's a whole other thing.
00:39:24
Conor Fowler
It would be hard though, like being a billionaire, how could you decide what to wear?
00:39:33
Leo
Exploiting the working classes.
00:39:36
Conor Fowler
Yeah. But the windsurfing answer is a good one. one what What other kind of shit did you, do you want to talk about UMBC? I mean,
00:39:49
Leo
Am I not talking about clothing enough?
00:39:52
Conor Fowler
We haven't talked about it at all and that's fine. I am curious though, I was gonna ask like, you didn't care about clothing when I knew you first.
Personal Fashion Choices
00:40:02
Conor Fowler
I feel like now you have a different, I don't know, approach to it.
00:40:08
Leo
I kind of still don't care about it, but I know for brief, like when I went to Idaho, I got excited to get a cool jacket and
00:40:19
Conor Fowler
Yeah, you got the Levi Sherpa jacket, right?
00:40:21
Leo
I certainly get excited about certain types of, I don't know. I have, I, I always wear Levi's jeans.
00:40:32
Leo
I just was like, at one point I decided I like Levi's jeans. Levi's jeans. I'm just going to wear Levi's. And so like, that's what I do. I wear T-shirts a lot.
00:40:41
Conor Fowler
It's.
00:40:42
Leo
Sometimes I thought, am I wearing too many band shirts now that I'm old, just because all my shirts are band shirts, but it's like, well,
00:40:47
Conor Fowler
Well, what is your band shirt today? It was remarked up. It was remarked on pre-show.
00:40:49
Leo
Oh yeah, it's andric shout out to the up north area.
00:40:52
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:40:55
Leo
They play Baltimore. a Good. A decent amount. They don't come to Florida that much because they're like a poor small band, but I saw them at the auto bar. It was a good show, but it made a better show.
00:41:04
Conor Fowler
Down the street in Baltimore.
00:41:06
Leo
I saw them in Tampa right before COVID. That was an amazing show.
00:41:09
Conor Fowler
Are they for a Florida band?
00:41:10
Leo
There's no different.
00:41:11
Matt
No, they're from Jersey.
00:41:14
Conor Fowler
Sure.
00:41:15
Leo
But um I think about if I should wear more professional clothes for school sometimes, but I kind of just don't care. And I'm like art teachers wear whatever they want to wear.
00:41:25
Matt
Yeah, yeah. You have the luxury.
00:41:26
Leo
and
00:41:27
Matt
Like, that the art teacher trope is prevalent still.
00:41:33
Leo
Yeah. And glass.
00:41:35
Conor Fowler
The ponytail, that's what you said.
00:41:36
Leo
I had these glasses.
00:41:36
Conor Fowler
You never knew you'd be a ponytail person, right? And and here you are.
00:41:39
Leo
yeah Oh my God. Yes. I never thought I'd be a ponytail. I kind of just like wanted to see what would be like if my, okay. I saw this picture of.
00:41:45
Conor Fowler
Yeah, you could probably go without the glasses even.
00:41:48
Leo
I saw this picture of Ray Davies from The Kinks and he had long hair and he had this like British jacket on and that's like the jacket I bought.
00:41:51
Matt
Oh nice, yeah.
00:41:58
Leo
I like mimicked him in a way. I knew, I was like, I don't often see like a celebrity and like want to copy their clothing, but I was like, I want that jacket. And that's the one I got into Idaho or something similar.
00:42:09
Leo
I ordered it from England, from some store in England that, cause it was like made of like Scottish wool or something. I don't know.
00:42:15
Conor Fowler
What is it? What is this jacket?
00:42:18
Leo
I'll get it.
00:42:18
Conor Fowler
You don't know.
00:42:19
Leo
I'll get it. Because I don't know.
00:42:21
Conor Fowler
That's fine. Yeah, we we.
00:42:23
Leo
oh
00:42:23
Conor Fowler
Yeah, that's fine.
00:42:23
Leo
I don't have to get I knew the term of it when I ordered it, but I forgot it.
00:42:26
Conor Fowler
Well, so is it like a blazer? Is it like a.
00:42:31
Leo
Because I haven't been able to wear it in Florida because it's been so effing hot.
00:42:33
Conor Fowler
Because it's too hot, damn, damn, so I guess it isn't.
00:42:34
Matt
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:36
Leo
But even really in North Florida it gets cold enough. Here in South Florida it's really warm. um But yeah, like, I guess trying to wrap up. I don't know. There's just, there's always been pieces. Like I have, I don't know if it's normal for people to have like a favorite, like, oh, this is my favorite pair of boxers.
00:42:51
Leo
This is my, when I was a kid, I had a, I had a favorite pair of a Lion King jeans when I was a child.
00:42:52
Conor Fowler
I have them, yeah, I would say.
00:42:58
Conor Fowler
I have some that have footballs on them. And that is like endlessly funny to me because I am not involved in sporting at all. So to wear a football decorated garment of any kind is funny. So I do it, as ever, for the joke.
00:43:16
Leo
That's the, that's commitment to, uh, to the joke right there.
00:43:21
Conor Fowler
And it's a little, it's like a, it's like sort of a pun in a way, but yeah, I mean, if you have more to share, share away, you said you were trying to talk.
00:43:33
Leo
Wait.
00:43:42
Conor Fowler
And so we're waiting. No, man. I was going to say like,
00:43:42
Leo
wait
00:43:46
Leo
Trying to talk about what I'm getting confused now. I'm sorry.
00:43:51
Conor Fowler
What? Yeah, I mean, so you asked the question, right? Like, is it weird to have favorite boxers?
00:43:58
Leo
Oh yeah, I'm going in tangent to tangent. I'm like, am I jumping from the thing to thing too much? Because I can freaking.
00:44:04
Conor Fowler
We're comfortable with that.
00:44:05
Leo
OK.
00:44:06
Conor Fowler
I think we probably will wrap up, but. but. um Yeah, I was going to ask you, like, surely you have a favorite T-shirt.
00:44:17
Conor Fowler
Are you wearing it?
00:44:19
Leo
No, this actually has become less important to me, I have t shirts I wear that are less important around the house that like I don't, and then I have teachers I'd like preserve because I want to.
00:44:27
Conor Fowler
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a hierarchy of t-shirts. So what's it look like?
00:44:31
Leo
Normally, I would say I couldn't pick a favorite, but I'll say I have this favorite. It's like a custom t-shirt from an art exhibition when I was in grad school in Tampa. it's It says smash bang on it. It has this lady like playing drums with multiple arms.
00:44:50
Leo
It was from this exhibition involved that was involved my professor and thesis chair, Wendy Babcox, who sadly passed away from breast cancer.
00:44:50
Conor Fowler
Oh, yeah. so
00:45:02
Leo
And so that shirt, not only do i not to get like super sad or anything, but not only do I love how that shirt like looks, it's just a black t-shirt with this white like cartoonish graphic on it.
00:45:02
Conor Fowler
Alright, P.
00:45:13
Leo
It says Smash Bang kind of like an angled lettering. Not only do I like the aesthetic of it, but it also like has meaning for me now. So that's my favorite shirt.
00:45:25
Conor Fowler
Beautiful answer really I would say like because we talk about this and it's like even a t-shirt Like you could have so much
Heritage Influence on Identity
00:45:33
Conor Fowler
associated with the t-shirt and here we are. We have it We want a picture of the t-shirt too for sure not immediately but yeah definitely Yeah,
00:45:35
Leo
Yes, right there. I'm glad I could give you this good analysis. I can get you a picture of the jacket too.
00:45:48
Matt
Yeah please do.
00:45:48
Conor Fowler
you idiot
00:45:49
Matt
That thing sounds fucking sick.
00:45:51
Leo
It's just like some, it's like gray. I guess it's wool.
00:45:55
Conor Fowler
That narrows it to almost every garment that we talk about on the show.
00:45:58
Leo
And then it's like, it had some pattern that I forgot what it was called. And it's kind of like, ha it kind of goes to your like size.
00:46:07
Conor Fowler
It's like a tweed jacket.
00:46:07
Matt
Yeah.
00:46:09
Leo
Yeah, something like that.
00:46:11
Conor Fowler
So we'll get a picture of it. We'll put it up.
00:46:17
Matt
yeah Yeah, Leo, dude, thank you for coming on and talking shit. And let's, yeah, let's have you on again and talk some more shit.
00:46:26
Leo
Yeah, I'm down for whatever, and it was fun. It flew by for me. I do hope I wasn't. I came into this interview very hyped, and so it continued throughout.
00:46:39
Matt
i I think you delivered. For sure.
00:46:41
Conor Fowler
Yeah, dude. Yeah, you represented the Greek people.
00:46:42
Matt
Yeah. You did, you did.
00:46:45
Leo
Half Greek, but I also, my Greek can overshadow sometimes my Irish.
00:46:50
Conor Fowler
I didn't know he was a mik too!
00:46:51
Matt
you you you will
00:46:54
Conor Fowler
Wonderful!
00:46:55
Leo
mothers This is another, for your security questions, mother's maiden name, O'Donnell.
00:47:02
Conor Fowler
You know, I never knew that about you. I always thought you were Greek Grecian.
00:47:07
Leo
That's why I had to point this out. I'm only 50% Greek, but i love I love my Greek.
00:47:12
Conor Fowler
Well, it is dominant. I mean, I i dated a Greek person that was a quarter Greek and it was like her whole thing.
00:47:13
Leo
but
00:47:16
Matt
Hey, you, you, you will...
00:47:18
Leo
Yeah, because Greek people are like, oh my God, you're Greek too. oh And we i connect.
00:47:21
Conor Fowler
Yeah.
00:47:23
Leo
But yeah, i always to Irish is like the second largest amount. So I'm like, gotta give a shout out for that too.
00:47:32
Conor Fowler
A shout out indeed.
00:47:33
Matt
Oh, always. We love the Irish. um Well, since we're talking about shout outs, Leo, please shout out your social media or
Promoting Music and Art Online
00:47:44
Leo
The promotion aspect has come.
00:47:44
Matt
whatever else you would like and or whatever else you would like.
00:47:48
Matt
Please, please, promote yourself.
00:47:50
Conor Fowler
Finally, finally.
00:47:51
Leo
So my music, that's honestly my favorite thing I do. It's Goofball, G-O-F, wait, G-O-O-F-B-A-W-L is how I spell Goofball.
00:48:03
Conor Fowler
Which is a great.
00:48:03
Leo
You can search that, it's on Spotify, but if you want an actual, I don't have a website or anything. I guess actually, if you go to leodesis dot.com, just L-E-O-D-E-Z-E-S, it has all my stuff on it.
00:48:15
Matt
Nuts.
00:48:16
Leo
But now, now it's,
00:48:16
Conor Fowler
which It's a great website. It's a great website. No, before you go to it, that it's a great website. It will make you laugh at the very least.
00:48:23
Leo
But now it's saying, look, today's just not been my day. My website is down right now. says So now on Instagram, and Instagram it's goofball music.
00:48:29
Conor Fowler
Terrorized by students and you failures.
00:48:36
Leo
So I have reticulating splines.
00:48:36
Conor Fowler
Because you're back.
00:48:39
Leo
That's my art account.
00:48:40
Conor Fowler
That one is the shit. That one is so funny.
00:48:42
Leo
includ at loggenics
00:48:43
Conor Fowler
I share stuff from that all the time. Skunk, ape, immortal.
00:48:47
Leo
But see, how do you spell reticulating splines?
00:48:49
Conor Fowler
R-E-T-I-C, retic, U-L-A-T-I-N-G, reticulating.
00:48:56
Leo
There's like an underscore in it. Good. My website does work. It doesn't work in Firefox. Interesting.
00:49:01
Matt
Ah.
00:49:03
Leo
Okay. and It says my website is not secure because it's not HTTPS. It's only HTTP. So it may block people. Great.
00:49:11
Conor Fowler
Well, we'll hear about it in our email address.
00:49:17
Leo
Also, I have more music of my name, Leonidas Desus, on the Spotify. I've researched my name. It has my whole discography of albums going back to 2009.
00:49:27
Matt
shit. All right.
00:49:29
Leo
OK.
00:49:29
Matt
you heard it first and uh... dive into it nice
00:49:34
Leo
Yes, I have a song called Dive on Deep Into the Blue. if You can listen to that. Available now.
00:49:41
Leo
it's It's on Apple Music and all that other stuff, too. It's not just on Spotify. It's like, yes.
00:49:46
Conor Fowler
diversified just like this program you can find basically anywhere you would want to oh that's why i mean yeah yeah
00:49:51
Leo
And I have a streaming show, Total Insanity. That's kind of dormant, but it will come back because I still have to see something. Sorry, you're end ending this number, lingering in Illinois, but there's a lot of things to promote. I've, I can clearly say I need some type of a unified promotional dirt thing, which is my website, but my website has problems now. So.
00:50:11
Conor Fowler
ah ah This is like the life, this is the life of an artist in 2024, dysfunction and terror in Florida.
00:50:19
Leo
Yes. Okay. Thanks for having me oh guys. I really did have fun. I could talk endlessly. So if you ever want to have me back i and I'll be more calm or like I'm too hyped.
00:50:28
Matt
we we
00:50:31
Conor Fowler
we'll consider We'll consider it, Leo. Your behavior was basically fine.
00:50:38
Leo
Look, this, we can count seven apologies throughout this throughout this.
00:50:43
Conor Fowler
at least seven apologies.
00:50:44
Matt
ah have
00:50:45
Conor Fowler
I think.
00:50:46
Matt
that's That's going to be the name of the episode.
00:50:48
Conor Fowler
and yeah's sir So anyway, much love Leo, very good to see you. Thank you for entertaining our little thing because basically when we said we needed a logo, you said yes.
00:51:00
Leo
Yeah, man.
00:51:02
Conor Fowler
So we are very connected to you, even though you live in Florida.
00:51:03
Leo
For sure, man. And I'm glad that we crossed paths that you and me say, too.
00:51:14
Conor Fowler
Indeed.
00:51:16
Leo
Yeah. Yeah, to lead to this time.
00:51:19
Conor Fowler
Oh, to lead to this indeed.
00:51:22
Leo
I just mean, this this more than the podcast, this whole
00:51:29
Leo
Just the real, I guess, relationship. You know what I mean? It's a human relationship between what am I an alien now? It's just a human relationship.
00:51:39
Conor Fowler
Yeah, well, before we go down the more Zuckerbergian path, ah See you later. It's been real and good.
00:51:46
Leo
i Thank you.
00:51:50
Matt
Thank you.