Transcript
Conor Fowler: Welcome. Good afternoon. I am your host, Conor Flower.
Matt: And I'm Matt Smith.
Conor Fowler: Welcome to Apocalypse Duds. We have in our orbit an artist unmatched.
Leo: What?
Conor Fowler: I've written a little thing here for our friend
Conor Fowler: A respectable Greek, he'll crush the critique. His skills were once weak, his temperament meek. But now he's no pipsqueak. He's a chic chic with mystique and a sleek physique. You could call him a film freak, not quite a guitar geek. They tried to silence him. Now let him speak.
Leo: That's amazing.
Conor Fowler: Leo thesis. Leonidas thesis.
Leo: Sorry.
Leo: Sorry, I didn't mean to write your...
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: Look, i'm more I'm starting with a sorry, but I was clapping for that.
Conor Fowler: Go ahead, go ahead.
Leo: i was clapping through your I was clapping for your writing, not myself.
Matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: You should be clapping for yourself, frankly, I mean.
Matt: You should, absolutely should.
Leo: But thank you. If not...
Matt: Kotter told me earlier he wants to sound something between Roger Stone and Dr. Seuss. And if that doesn't really sum up,
Leo: Yeah, yeah.
Matt: who he is and and who wrote that and I don't know what what does.
Leo: It's beautiful.
Conor Fowler: I think it's telling. I think it's, and I thought it's nice. It's like, cause I've known Leo like since Leo was like, uh, not a wisened old artist, you know, that's what my job is.
Leo: Oh, you've been so flattering to me, but no, it is, it is crazy.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: I was thinking about the other day, cause I knew we were doing the podcast. I was like, I can't even remember. Like I always liked Connor in INET common vision, but he wouldn't know like out of all the people, like we'd still whatever just be talking to him.
Conor Fowler: Be friends.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Matt: it and And we gotta say the artwork for the show has been done by none other than Leo himself, which is fucking sick.
Conor Fowler: internet
Conor Fowler: I think it's like, yeah, really like channels the spirit of the show.
Matt: And in also we we made to a CV, which made both of us laugh and feel a little bit a little bit more you know like, oh fuck, okay, we're we're actually doing something, then maybe anything else.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, and we are, I mean, it's like, I don't know, it's weird to explain to people like we have this thing that we've created that is like completely ours, basically.
Conor Fowler: um So So you and you are gung ho, like you've always been like down.
Matt: yeah
Conor Fowler: So we're really happy to have you on. And I think you have really grown as a person and as an artist, like before my eyes, skunk, ape for life.
Leo: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know what to say. I'm bashful.
Conor Fowler: You don't have to say much, so we're about to start asking you questions, and then you'll have stuff to say.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: Then I'll be able to elaborate as much as you need.
Matt: First off, first
Matt: Yeah, yeah, dude, talk. talk we We love people that love to talk because both Connor and myself love to talk.
Leo: Okay. You're just, I just, you know, I'm just getting at a strange time after waking up from a delirious nap and dealing with, and dealing, and dealing with, and dealing with delirious, you know, really, no, really forecast like my bread and butter.
Conor Fowler: Leo already apologized to this for me. He said, usually I'm fully alert at this time.
Leo: Like, yes.
Matt: Yeah, same.
Leo: But I was like, I've been, taught I've been trying to get my schedule better cause I'm going to be with family. So I, cause I'm a late night man, night owl, Leo, check out night owl once.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: No, I'm not going to permit myself yet, but I can go on about good for
Conor Fowler: Whoa, whoa, whoa, who who who whoa, whoa, whoa, what is that? What does that mean?
Leo: I say, I'm going to not be a braggadocia.
Conor Fowler: You mean it. You don't want to unveil it.
Leo: I want to unveil it, but I'm going to to try to resist my my vain nature. And if anybody asks for a promotion, then I'll do it. But now it's already, now it's already, and that's the tease.
Conor Fowler: Well, if anyone has a promotion as we might toward the end of the show, who can say?
Conor Fowler: That's the tease.
Matt: best this is yeah
Leo: The tease for my promotion. Oh yeah. Okay. Anyway.
Conor Fowler: You do good work, man. I mean, everyone like, I don't know, we get compliments about the show somewhat often. People compliment the artwork of the show almost every time.
Leo: Yes.
Conor Fowler: So it's like, it's I would say it's very, you did, you set out to do something and it is working.
Leo: I'm honored.
Conor Fowler: And that's the p point.
Leo: I'm honored.
Conor Fowler: You're connered.
Leo: I'm honored. I'm confident.
Conor Fowler: I hate that joke. I think I'm retiring it. I don't know what it means.
Matt: Please do. Please do.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I don't know what it means.
Matt: Please return.
Matt: Leo, before we get started, how's it going today?
Leo: Oh, the weather is beautiful.
Matt: What's the weather like in Florida today?
Leo: The weather When it's not hurricane season, it truly, this is when I'm truly say, I can't walk you to be here. It's very, it's gotta to be like, if like high, it's, I think it got a little warmer.
Matt: Fuck it.
Leo: So it's been like in the high seventies, I think.
Matt: Ooh.
Leo: He got chillier here where it was like 40 at night, but that's nothing. I liked that it got riskier. But yeah, I just, as I already mentioned, I just feel like when you're introducing any stuff, I'm worrying about doing good on the podcast and I'm feeling so nauseous, but not because of you, because that student, I'm not going to be able to stop mentioning that student.
Leo: He's haunting me. This will be the last.
Conor Fowler: fuck this Fuck this motherfucker. Don't let him get under your skin.
Leo: This will be the last time because I'm not going to, I'm not falling back on this old shit. Okay. But you guys saw my day was so I, that was my opportunity to go into it again.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: That's a video disappeared. I don't know. I'm not seeing him on the video. I hope that's okay. but
Conor Fowler: Matt's out.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, I turn mine off because my internet sucks so bad.
Leo: Okay.
Matt: Just just to throw a, you know, make sure that there's no rinse thrown in the recording.
Leo: Okay.
Conor Fowler: Matt is on a special mission.
Matt: So, yeah, yeah, always.
Conor Fowler: Coordinates unknown.
Matt: just established you live in Florida. Where are you from and how did you end up in Florida?
Leo: Yes. Okay. I'm from good old Maryland. I'm uh, I was born in, I'm going to tell you now people can answer my security questions. I was born in White Marsh, Maryland.
Conor Fowler: You are from Lightmarsh? That's crazy. I didn't realize that you were from Baltimore, basically.
Leo: and won say more way I I was born in the hospital. I lived in Abingdon, which is by like Aberdeen.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: and so I think it grew a lot since I lived there. i guess it
Conor Fowler: Like on the 95 corridor by Aberdeen Proving Rounds.
Leo: it Yeah, dude, my friend freaked me out. He'd be like, there's mustard gas. If it gets released, you can't smell it and you'll die. I was like, what the fuck? anyway
Conor Fowler: There's not just mustard gas, my God, there's like everything there.
Leo: thought yeah But, man, but yeah, I lived up there till, but basically but it was like a half hour from Baltimore.
Conor Fowler: Under low security, presumably.
Leo: Um, it's why people still point out today that I say glass is weird. Or I say I have a have weird a sound.
Matt: Okay, yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Leo: i fly I don't say water.
Conor Fowler: You are a Baltimore person in the Frank Zappa tradition.
Leo: I say water pretty much, but, but anyway,
Matt: Right, right.
Leo: I guess my point with ending this threat is, oh yeah, I moved to Florida. I was like 11 under much protest for me, but I came to love Florida in its own way.
Leo: And so yeah, I was, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Cause you've been there for kind of, you've been there for kind of a while and you don't ever really entertain my, it's not like I'm shitting on Florida that much.
Leo: anymore
Conor Fowler: I finally have like gone to Florida. I went to Destin, Florida and it was fine.
Leo: i know
Conor Fowler: I mean, I didn't, you know, it's like, I don't want to be in a white supremacist location, generally speaking.
Leo: I kind of understand that. I seem to only go between them, Idaho, Florida, but I was in Idaho for a year.
Conor Fowler: but But Idaho, but Idaho is like, that was for your job.
Leo: Yes. Oh yeah, Florida has just been my home now since I went well after my, just after my unceremonious dismissal from UMBC.
Conor Fowler: Which we will get into that, certainly. I mean, I feel like we should leave with that, frankly, because, well, it's good.
Leo: but
Conor Fowler: So, but we can...
Conor Fowler: Well,
Leo: Yeah, I'm like losing my train of thought a little bit, but like I said, I'm tired and delirious and, but, um.
Conor Fowler: well so you surely can talk about video, like... So you were like alive, basically, for...
Conor Fowler: the maturation of the form, I guess, for video, you know what I mean?
Leo: Hmm.
Conor Fowler: like Because it had existed in a very so like static way for a long time, right?
Leo: Wait, what?
Leo: For video?
Conor Fowler: It was on film.
Leo: Okay.
Conor Fowler: And then you have been alive, I have been alive for almost all of digital video. So did you come to it young? Like where you did you have like a tape video like?
Leo: Ooh, yes. Okay, you're gonna be excited. I'd love to talk about myself. I'm Leo Moon, astrology. I'll talk, I'm no longer ashamed of my astrology. I'll talk about it.
Leo: Anyway, I'm done apologizing. I've studied astrology for years. It's accurate to some degree, but I'm going on a different tangent. What was the original question?
Conor Fowler: video man your whole fucking thing but that was like hog shit i mean that was like not easy yeah well and that's that's kind of what i'm saying like it very slowly
Leo: Yeah. Video. Video. Okay. So I feel like there was an early generation, then like Gen X had like video tape where they could scan it into like early, like maybe When I was at Stetson, the standard for videos like 720 by 480 and there were like rectangular pixels I had to navigate or Lee would warp your holes. Oh God.
Leo: And that's the other thing. I'm envious of kids now that can just film movies on their parents' phones or their iPads or whatever.
Conor Fowler: My god, yeah.
Leo: I saw a commercial for some kids' video camera. I don't even know what it was if it was a real video camera or not, but we didn't have internet. Oh, a commercial. Oh, a kids' video camera. I asked my parents for that.
Leo: I call it kids' video camera. They have no idea what that means probably.
Conor Fowler: Right.
Leo: They get a real video camera and i'm like, oh my god I can't believe this and it's because I think I kept asking for it.
Conor Fowler: Oh, fuck.
Leo: So I made like Basically once I got it though, I didn't get to do too much in Maryland before we moved to Florida and I kind of had to make some new friends, which I, which was fine. Like I, but it wasn't the same like tight court with a bunch of kids.
Leo: I had to like, it took a bit longer, but anyway, I made a few movies.
Conor Fowler: Mm hmm. Yeah, moving sucks.
Leo: I made like their own YouTube, I think they're like a Jurassic park movie and a movie called ultra fighters, which was modeled at their mortal column bat.
Conor Fowler: I got to see the fucking Jurassic Park one at least.
Leo: But it's a good point because I couldn't do editing either. Like now people can go on TikTok and blah, blah, blah. I had to film the movie in sequence. There's like fucked up edits.
Conor Fowler: That's what I'm saying.
Leo: And then there was the time where I got Sony Vegas on a Presorio 6000 Windows XP computer.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
Leo: And I was able to scan a video in and I could edit, I could edit.
Conor Fowler: yeah this is like what year
Leo: What did you say? I'm sorry.
Leo: As in three, dude, you got it exactly right. Right when I moved to the forest in Paisley, I could edit, I could edit, yeah, I could edit, edit, um, angels in the bowling place, which was a movie based on angels in the outfield.
Conor Fowler: Whoa, dude! See, you really do have a fucking, you have a comedic genius about you, you do.
Leo: do more if I actually tried that one because people said I should do it, but.
Conor Fowler: Leo would never say this. Leo is trying to get into stand -up, which Leo would be great at.
Conor Fowler: You could do it, you had the great delivery.
Leo: When I was like applying to the adult swim streams and I was gonna and i was go to do Thank you, I was about to complain about something I'm not gonna complain about that That strikes a very big memory Oh
Conor Fowler: Angels in the bowling alley, it's so fucking funny.
Conor Fowler: I had, did you do you, were you aware of the Lego movie maker camera?
Conor Fowler: Cause I like, I like had that thing and I was like, how could a child possibly do this?
Leo: That might've been something I saw and wanted. Like that, I never encountered one.
Conor Fowler: I'm sure it was very expensive.
Leo: Yeah, I never encountered one, but that.
Conor Fowler: What was a bill bo is it?
Leo: re
Conor Fowler: It was a piece of shit camera you had to plug into the computer.
Leo: Yeah.
Leo: Yeah. I mean, I remember that.
Conor Fowler: So it was like I was trying to shoot movies outside and it's like my my desktop computer, my e -machines is not coming out here.
Leo: Dude, I saved up allowance money to buy this thing called a Jamcam, an early digital camera. It was absolute shit. But me and my sister got it, Jamcam.
Conor Fowler: Huh.
Leo: And we could take...
Conor Fowler: I think I remember that because they were making like kind of ru rudimentary like yakback type devices.
Leo: Jamcam!
Leo: Dude, Yakback, yes! Dude, talk, I had a talk going.
Matt: oh yeah I always wanted one but never never got one yeah my parents definitely did that in different ways like they bought me my first like electric guitar and that kind of shit but yeah like I
Leo: in the elementary school. That was what I recorded my first songs on. I loved the Talkboy.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I had a little tape.
Leo: I'm lucky with my parents got me those, they knew I was creative and they were cool to get me that stuff.
Conor Fowler: That's nice.
Leo: Oh, nice, nice. mean
Matt: I had no idea at that point like what anything recording was. I just wanted to talk away from like, oh, one, two.
Leo: Yeah. I don't even, I didn't even know it was from Home Alone or something. I just like, God, I don't even know. It was crazy, but that's.
Conor Fowler: cause my I don't even know.
Matt: It was such interesting product for the time period.
Leo: I know. I know it's really cool with the extendable mic and you could slow down like the voice.
Conor Fowler: I think I probably know what this looks like.
Leo: It was cool.
Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Leo: That was pretty cool.
Matt: it was it was like
Conor Fowler: This is like vaguely recognizable to me.
Leo: I recorded, I recorded the Good Burger song.
Matt: Ha ha ha ha ha!
Conor Fowler: It's a fucking deep cut.
Leo: and like In theaters, at the end of the movie, I was like, okay, I have to record the Good Burger song. And my mom and sister waited while I recorded the Good Burger song. I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude.
Leo: I'm my talk boy. And that's how I had a copy of that for years.
Matt: Oh, that's fucking funny.
Leo: Pirating.
Matt: Pirating, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Well, like my mom had, little recorders around all over the place because she was a, she is a writer and she like has to record stuff all the time, record interviews.
Leo: That's cool that your mom is a writer. That's like awesome.
Conor Fowler: Well, so it's just easy. It was like, it just was there and you just like, that was, I don't know, I guess it was, kids the tactile nature of it was like more convenient.
Leo: Yeah,
Leo: yeah definitely. There's definitely something about those devices. They have, I don't want to get too nostalgic. getting I'm getting old, but.
Matt: yeah we we all are yeah
Leo: there There are things, everything changes and people either just adopt or lament the, oh, the change, it's not the old. It's just like, you may already know this, but I'll figure this out.
Leo: It's just, there's good things, there's bad things. There's things we gain, there's things we lose. Things are different and they're always changing.
Leo: And I just try to, I try to roll things, but I still get tripped up by student emails.
Conor Fowler: wow wow zen kons zen kons yeah i just like i know my professors i was close to were super mean to students
Matt: Yeah, we all are.
Leo: Yeah, just the the way that, I don't even know how to describe it, but like the corporatization of the university combined with students,
Leo: I don't even know how to describe it. I don't want to make sweeping statements about students, but like this is public. There's like, I think professors have, I think professors have started to grade easier.
Conor Fowler: You don't have to knock them. i mean
Leo: I think students have gotten more, like they'll fight things more on like, since COVID it's made all these extra like allowances with adaptive things.
Leo: I think just, yeah, the only reason I was just mentioning it, I said I wouldn't mention it again, but i was if I'm gonna mention it in a comedic callback, I will mention it again because the comedy comes first.
Leo: Is it comedic or is it sad?
Conor Fowler: Yes, yes.
Leo: Is it comedic or is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad? Is it sad?
Conor Fowler: right well that's what i was just saying it's like yeah it's about sadness sad people are funny a lot of the time if they're lucky they're funny no no i'm sorry i'm reading like
Leo: Is it sad?
Leo: Is it sad?
Leo: okay dereil this again no
Leo: Oh yeah, were there notes that I was supposed to see? Cause that's, what you're talking about that.
Conor Fowler: No, we can't we kept that from you because we're cruel.
Leo: Cool.
Conor Fowler: I was going to ask, I guess, like to get into the show a little bit.
Leo: The mystery.
Conor Fowler: like how do you How do you think about clothing when you are making it in animation, and when you're animating it?
Leo: Yes.
Conor Fowler: right Because you're not animating naked people. So there are clothes, presumably. And so I wonder. like you would want to make them as realistic as possible for the most part, right?
Leo: That's a good question for which I have an answer that's not as great as the question. um I don't animate clothes that much. A lot of my animations are like I'm drawing two dimensional forms. And so if I am drawing clothing, you do have to think about how it's changing. There was a time.
Leo: where I kind of switched my focus from drawing into music and digital so video stuff more, where I didn't keep up with like my like proper drawing skills much.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: And I feel like I never actually even learned the proper way and did life studies and stuff about how clothing falls. So I feel like, i so yeah, when I encountered clothing, I still think it has like a stiffness because I don't know exactly how to treat it.
Conor Fowler: But you have a unique style because you didn't.
Conor Fowler: Well, so that's like what's so good about the fucking Leo does these drawings of Chuck E.
Leo: and school yes or
Conor Fowler: Cheese.
Leo: Oh, that he's fat dude. Somebody posted on the weezer forms a post about Chuckie cheese. That is incredible to me. I'll share it. That's what got me going. It it's in a brilliant analysis of Chuckie cheese.
Leo: It's the weezer forms. That was another thing I just forgot about. I'm sorry. I interrupted you.
Conor Fowler: No, no, dude, and we talk about forums on this show all the time.
Leo: we right
Leo: I can't really just jump from thing to thing. And if I'm the person being interviewed and you're telling me I can talk. Oh, well, okay. Let's go.
Matt: Let's do it.
Conor Fowler: You're gonna get, you're gonna get fan mail for this, Leo.
Matt: Let's do it.
Leo: who bought Holy. Holy moly. Holy moly.
Conor Fowler: Jesus Christ.
Leo: Jesus Christ.
Conor Fowler: Well, so I was right, we're doing we're talking about the Chuck E. Cheese, Chuck E.
Leo: Jesus Christ.
Conor Fowler: Cheese was in uniform. and it was like very disgusting.
Leo: Swindle or Chuckie cheese.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: I always somehow knew he was disgusting. Sorry. I said that far away because I probably went away from the mic.
Conor Fowler: Charles Entertainment Cheese, yeah. I just like, and Skunk Ape, all that weirdo cartoon stuff.
Leo: Sleezy. I knew Chuckie cheese was sleazy.
Matt: i I say on Showtime Pizza, that was the original.
Leo: Oh, yes, you know, I was
Conor Fowler: Did they have coin operating machines?
Leo: i
Matt: uh... yeah they did like it it was basically but i think i think that like i can't remember the exact story there's that there's apparently numerous podcasts on this uh... and and writings about showtime and chucky cheese but showtime is what like i grew up with in early childhood and then chucky cheese like like they sued the uh... i don't fucking remember what what happened but showtime was basically like like hillbilly bears that were like a bluegrass band. And that was the the impetus behind it.
Leo: Yeah, I know about it.
Conor Fowler: Can't argue with hillbilly bears, certainly, I mean.
Leo: My.
Leo: Yeah. I've.
Conor Fowler: Because they have a they have they have this kind of robust origin story for all of the characters, right?
Leo: There's.
Leo: Oh, yeah.
Conor Fowler: There's like Dweezle.
Matt: Yeah. Yeah, I think so.
Conor Fowler: The dog, what is the dog's name? We don't know. Is it just Chuck E. Cheese? I thought you were read into this shit.
Leo: Oh, me? item I know that I draw Chuck E.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: Cheese. I don't know all the extra characters. that's I know that a lot of specific things, but Chuck E.
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Leo: Cheese fandom is actually not one of them.
Conor Fowler: You are not on the Chuck E.
Leo: Really? I'm not inspired by that.
Conor Fowler: Cheese forums.
Leo: That Weezer post honestly inspired it. The Weezer post is so incredible. And they say how he was rebranded as this like teen mouse. And it's not like how his true nature, it's just brilliant.
Leo: I'm not doing it just as described yet, but I haven't shaked my finger because it's just, it was too amazing.
Matt: this This sounds like a great conspiracy theory if I'm being honest.
Leo: But yeah,
Conor Fowler: How long have you been on the Weezer forums?
Leo: since 2008, When I check it, I used to go all the time.
Conor Fowler: So that's like,
Leo: I like hardly go now. I'm not, but it did change, but like there were some hilarious times on there, man.
Conor Fowler: all of the forms are dead. I mean, all of them are dead from this part.
Leo: Forms have sadly died as like,
Conor Fowler: Yeah. 2008 is like Pinkerton or earlier than then.
Leo: 2008 was when they had a red album come out.
Matt: No.
Matt: yeah
Conor Fowler: Oh, that's why I don't remember what it was.
Leo: I was always sad that I had messed out in a Pinkerton there because I was seven when Pinkerton came out. I didn't even know what was happening. I discovered Pinkerton in high school, grade 10. I hear blew out my hair.
Leo: I always knew about Weezer and their singles. I didn't know I would click with them so much. And I was so into pop punk and like specifically like Blink -1A2, Green Day and stuff and all this like fast music. And then hearing Weezer's kind of like sludgy style.
Leo: in his They would do different things. I just was like, dude, the the melodies. Oh, man. But i my Weezer love has kind of been like, I've heard them a lot. I'm kind of like, okay, I'm a little weezered out.
Leo: People thinking.
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Leo: as
Conor Fowler: It's the weezer, the weezer Wayne.
Matt: but I feel the same way about like Smashing Pumpkins.
Leo: Oh, yeah.
Conor Fowler: Oh, definitely.
Matt: I kind of came to the realization recently that I was like, I like some of it, but it stops at a certain point and I just really don't like, I'm not gonna put on a Smashing Pumpkins record for the most part.
Conor Fowler: Some of the guitar is amazing, but like, I just can't stand Billy Corgan's voice anymore.
Leo: Oh, yeah.
Leo: Billy Corgan.
Conor Fowler: Much like my own voice, it's terrible. And I don't want to hear it anymore.
Leo: a and let go All the fans, therere they annoy me.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, see, that's fucking good. That's good.
Leo: I can't do I'm fascinated.
Matt: Yeah, yeah.
Conor Fowler: wow
Matt: I mean, honestly, Billy Corgan also annoys me, but...
Leo: I still watch Billy Corgan interviews because these people, they fascinate me.
Matt: Yeah. yeah
Leo: I think people give Billy Corgan too much of a hard time. just like he's Sometimes he's just being a little, whatever, he's just being how he is.
Conor Fowler: I think that I think that it's good that you described Weezer as sludgy because I like wouldn't really have thought of them in that way.
Leo: But he's definitely in no way.
Conor Fowler: But like, if you hear like hash pipe, right? Like that's like.
Leo: I think early Weezer is more, and they get they get more sheen on themselves as they go on.
Conor Fowler: Everything kind of got shinier.
Leo: And I still like a lot of late weezer. I like, I really do like their, I used to say they're my favorite band. I still, I say they're my second favorite. I still blink when I eat too. I love blinking too.
Conor Fowler: See, you're the only person that I would not give a hard time about this.
Leo: And I used to get a hard time about it so much, but it's so just like astrology. I don't care anymore. Blink 22 is not even trying to relive your youth.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, my roommate loves my roommate loves Lincoln anything.
Leo: No, there's other bands from my youth. I don't want Blink 22 just has that speed, the melody, the energy, the humor. I realized that they had an irreverence. Even if they were in the pop world, that's all I knew at the time.
Leo: All I knew was F and T. I didn't have the internet. They were anti other stuff. Blink 22 I love.
Conor Fowler: I have a story about a enema of the state.
Leo: Why am I watching myself in this video as I talk?
Conor Fowler: i my god I got my grandmother to buy it for me and we took it back to my grandparents' house and my grandfather saw the cover, which has a nurse like with an open blouse like and a glove, like whatever.
Leo: Tell me, sorry.
Conor Fowler: And he's like, he can't have this. And she's like, what do you mean? And he's like, look at it. He can't have this. I mean, he's like a child. He's just not allowed to have this. They didn't give it to me.
Leo: Hell yeah,
Conor Fowler: I must have been like eight or nine. I don't know. I had definitely like pulled a fast one, you know.
Leo: yeah I get it. I thought I got lucky. It's similar. I ordered it. My parents had some a catalog, I guess, where you could order CDs like a lot for like a cheap price. So they asked me like, Hey, you can pick out like two or three CDs.
Leo: And I was like,
Conor Fowler: They had all that kind of weirdo catalog shit.
Leo: And I was like, yeah, I was like, Oh, I liked, what's my age again? And it's all the small things. And I, and I was like, I'll get that CD. And then it came and it was like explicit content at the nurse, but they just didn't even like, my mom was cool with that.
Leo: She must, she was just like, whatever he's like, my mom wasn't too restricted in that way, which I was very, but I wouldn't even, I wasn't a kid that wanted to get into like adult stuff.
Leo: I was very much like, I enjoy being a kid. Like I'm in their rush.
Matt: Right, right. Well, and and that probably like explains your, your love of Cleveland and you two at that time period. Like they were still very cheeky and like kid -like in a lot of ways.
Leo: Yeah.
Leo: Yeah, dude. And some of their humor is like, all their humor is like, I still don't think it's like a lame or it's like, okay.
Conor Fowler: Kiki is mad as ever. Excellent.
Leo: Yeah. It's like the fricking low level, whatever gross out work.
Matt: Yeah, yeah. I mean, dude, I'll go back and watch like a lot of, you know, the old schools and and that kind of shit from the early 2000s. Like that that kind of humor, if it's not, you know, punching down in certain ways, it ages super well.
Leo: I was, I was just saying, I guess, I don't even know. I never even, even, I never even liked that style of humor, but I still like them.
Matt: Yeah, sure.
Conor Fowler: Well, I thought that like, and this is like maybe a take, whatever. Like I listened to Blink -182 certainly when I was a kid because it's like what was on the radio. It's like what was available.
Leo: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: And they had Adam's song, right? Which is like about a suicide.
Leo: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: And it's like, not a, like, they're not being like flippant about it at all.
Matt: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: It's like very ah I don't know, pretty, ahead of its time, I would say.
Leo: Yeah, they get they're getting serious. They're getting serious. This is our serious song, Track 7.
Matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: But i I don't remember them being like, this is our song about suicide.
Leo: there allan go
Leo: yeah and and And Mark being sad and depressed on tour.
Conor Fowler: you know
Matt: Right.
Conor Fowler: He is really into aliens now, right?
Leo: I'm a Blinkling 2 or Weezer Scholar.
Matt: No, but that's Tom that says aliens.
Leo: dude ask Ask anything about Blinkling 2 or Weezer, I'll answer it. I am a scholar on those more than anything.
Conor Fowler: Did Travis Walker survive a plane crash?
Leo: Yes, it's incredible. And Mark survived cancer. The story I could have never guessed at is really like this.
Conor Fowler: Wow, dude.
Leo: And Tom along with, I'm involved with the government with like this UAP stuff, whatever, wherever wherever they're going, it's I'm highly suspicious of the government.
Conor Fowler: Dude, you you need...
Matt: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Leo: When have they ever been honest with us? Really? It's actually like, it's honest. It's actually crazy. They've been lying to us and it' so many different things. It's actually crazier to believe what they say.
Leo: But then what do we believe? We have to believe something, but real on it back in,
Conor Fowler: You're really coming into your own here. I think it's excellent.
Leo: I lost my train of thought once again.
Conor Fowler: No, no, no. You're talking about the Blink -182 coercion with the US government to either discover or obfuscate aliens.
Matt: obfuscate.
Conor Fowler: Obfuscate.
Leo: right Why are they, why now? Why are they, this weird stuff is afoot. That's all I know.
Conor Fowler: Do you think, ah do you think that reptilians are real?
Leo: If you ask me that question, no, I will.
Conor Fowler: You don't have to answer that. You don't have to answer that.
Leo: If you ask me that question a few years ago, I would have already said no way.
Leo: I'll say this. I don't rule anything out so quickly anymore. I'm not going to answer in an active affirmative because that's not that either.
Conor Fowler: Once you discovered the skunk ape,
Leo: But I'm going to say crazier things have happened. Have they though?
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: I don't know. Okay. That's my.
Conor Fowler: No, i think that that's not I think that that's not unreasonable. And like what we know, for example, George W. Bush was warned explicitly about Osama bin Laden targeting US infrastructure with passenger airplanes and did nothing about it.
Leo: oh
Leo: Yeah, there's also remember that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, I'm not sure if that's true, but because supposedly he.
Conor Fowler: I think that's a complicated one.
Leo: wanted Churchill is beginning to see in the world. I'm not a super history buff, but.
Conor Fowler: Well, it's like, I think that there is dispute about it in the first place is like, maybe it wasn't like a Japanese surprise attack, right?
Conor Fowler: Like like the 9 -11 thing.
Leo: Yeah. Or they had intelligence that like, something might have becoming. And he's like, well, this could be yeah exactly an excuse to get, and see, you would think, oh, that's crazy.
Leo: But then you hear about Operation Northwoods, the proposed, you know, about this proposed thing where they, they proposed it like JFK to like blow up a plane and blame it on Cuba.
Conor Fowler: Here we go.
Leo: And that would have just killed innocent people on a plane. And that would have been a terrorist government.
Conor Fowler: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And they loved it. The bay up a whole Bay of Pigs thing, the whole all of it, though, like anti -communist fervor led to this.
Leo: yeah do
Conor Fowler: You know, they weren't targeting ah whatever. I mean, they they weren't targeting like people in the in Europe, really, although they kind of were with like standing secret armies.
Conor Fowler: Which just sounds insane, but it's like that's the CIA.
Leo: Yeah. The CIA.
Conor Fowler: They admit to doing this stuff.
Leo: The CIA is really dangerous.
Conor Fowler: Criminals in action. A great man once said.
Leo: Oh my God. That's great. That's great.
Conor Fowler: So what is?
Leo: Don't get me started. I could get, political I'll get political, but I'm scared because they'll like, I'm at like a Florida public institution. I don't know. They can like, I feel like I have to self censor and it comes back again to school again.
Conor Fowler: Well,
Conor Fowler: What are your students, how do your how do you think your students perceive you?
Leo: but
Leo: I think most students think I'm a cool teacher. I've gotten enough feedback now to, to say that I know that students are like enjoying my style and enjoying my class.
Conor Fowler: For sure.
Leo: And I know that they're learning stuff.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude.
Leo: And I think, I think some people don't like, aren't into my shtick because some people just aren't into certain stuff. Like, because some people say I'm funny, but whoever's, you know, there's always people that think someone isn't funny.
Leo: So it's like, okay, I know that there's like probably some haters out there.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I was gonna say, you know what? You tell those people you you have no sense of humor.
Leo: But yeah, it's like, you know, that's why, like I said, that I just, yeah, and the last time I checked it.
Conor Fowler: are you all Have you checked your RateMyProfessor .com ratings?
Leo: one person said I was the worst teacher. And then another person said I was the best.
Conor Fowler: so
Leo: And like I said, because they're so opposite, it fucks with my brain so much that I'm like, I can't even look at it.
Conor Fowler: Wow.
Leo: But more people say I'm good than bad. So that's why I look at least, but see, I'm coming across as like, oh, conceited or like communically, not conceited, but you know what I mean?
Leo: I'm like communically confident.
Conor Fowler: It's part of the, it's part of the steak.
Leo: But no, but to myself, I'm like, we'll focus on the negative, I'll focus on the one negative thing. And that's why the student freaks me out. Cause I'm like, the student is like Caliente
Conor Fowler: Did they give you the hot pepper, the caliente?
Leo: pepper. Oh, they got rid of that. So I never had to see if I would get, cause that's not PC anymore.
Conor Fowler: Oh, they didn't allow people to objectify humans. Right.
Leo: PC is a 90s term. People say, I'll now say woke, I guess, but, or there's a different term for it. What is it? Woke is the name.
Conor Fowler: D -I -D -E -I.
Leo: But yeah, whatever.
Conor Fowler: These all reach out Republican shorthand.
Leo: You got rid of hot professors. Come on, man.
Conor Fowler: Some of my professors were on the hot professors listed.
Leo: We're all adults. Do you understand that we're all adults in college? Can't they have a hot professor on a website?
Leo: I had a professor at Idaho. I'm revealing all the secrets. A professor in Idaho told me that in the 70s, everybody was mingling with their students.
Conor Fowler: Fucking. Oh, certainly. Yeah. And I know, my friends said that they were like propositioned by professors when they were like 19, which is just like, yeah.
Leo: Yeah. I'm only saying I would, I don't even know how I would behave if I lived in the seventies because I don't know what I would be like in the seventies, but it's just like, we're just, my point is, can we at least have the hot pepper?
Leo: That's my point to bring it back.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, hell yeah. Bring it back. Bring back the hot professor rating. Because see, it makes people feel bad. It makes people like sad about their tenure and their like seniority and they need something to bitch about, I guess. And thus, no more hot pepper.
Leo: all right
Conor Fowler: Truly.
Leo: Okay.
Conor Fowler: Well, so, yeah, I didn't want to get out.
Leo: i mean Oh yeah.
Conor Fowler: I didn't want to get up to the the leaving Instagram thing, like, because I feel like that is political. Right. But like, good.
Leo: Yeah, that only lasted three days, but I was so stubborn when I did it, but then, okay, I'll go into that.
Conor Fowler: Fuck, man, you got to.
Leo: I posted the thing. Okay. Everybody's Luigi CEO guy. Okay.
Conor Fowler: Mm hmm.
Leo: I said, I still don't support killing anyone.
Conor Fowler: I was arguing with someone about that just the other day, yes.
Leo: I don't, people are making, people are making memes and stuff and I can, whatever I can find them funny, but I still don't support that. That's the way things can be dealt with at the same time.
Leo: I pointed out. that the U .S. government seems to have no problem with killing in a myriad of circumstances and allows and even funds many things that some say are pretty bad. And it's one of those like, oh, it's like a what about, oh, what about this? But I just got so, it's like, you wanna do something, you wanna say something and I feel so powerless. You post something on Instagram and I think, but what's an Instagram thing gonna do but incite people to be mad at me or think I'm cool.
Leo: But point is I got once it did that, once it did that, I never had an issue.
Conor Fowler: Well, that's kind of the paradox, right?
Leo: It was, it was saying that it had issues uploading. Like it was my connection, but I restarted my router. I went on different devices. I was testing. I was like, Oh, it's not, it's not my connection. It's they're blocking me from posting stories.
Leo: I had no problem with any other internet. They just blocked my story posting ability. So I said, fine, I'm not going to engage with this and just turn it off in a rage, in a, in a calm to rage.
Conor Fowler: Well, it's like they have taken truly away our ability to do anything.
Leo: What?
Leo: Yeah. But then I talked to so many people in there, like, and honestly, a girl from a fellow professor, like a fellow professor, if don if what if she's listening to this, she's not listening to this.
Leo: She messaged me on there.
Conor Fowler: You never know.
Leo: And I was like, I got to, I got a, I know I never have any romantic prospects lately.
Conor Fowler: Our audience is vast.
Leo: I have to at least talk to her on Instagram, but I haven't really talked to her because I still haven't. That's a whole and nother thing. We don't think.
Conor Fowler: because you're in your protest resignation from Instagram. Yeah, but the problem is there's no alternative.
Leo: Exactly.
Conor Fowler: Like I'm well aware of threads and I'm not interested.
Leo: i got you like
Leo: I haven't set up for threads. It still tries to get me to set up for threads. Have you set up for threads?
Conor Fowler: Yeah. And I think the show is on threads too, but it's like,
Leo: It tells me all my threads are using threads. I say I'm not joining threads.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, I don't i don't know. i just like I don't even really know what I object to, but like it's not the same shit that I liked from before that was taken away from me. So I have nothing, basically.
Conor Fowler: I don't even look at Reddit. And like I feel like my Instagram is like the same three or eight posts for a while, for like days, even if I refresh it.
Leo: Yeah.
Conor Fowler: And that's just like what they have designed.
Leo: Yeah. I get a pretty good mix. It's interesting that no, I don't, you know, just like it's the same. The same. I don't know. Same stuff. Same ads. They.
Conor Fowler: Right, right. It all feels like the same experience now, but it is all basically the same company. So interesting.
Leo: Yeah. That's another thing.
Conor Fowler: What do you think Mark Zuckerberg is doing right now?
Leo: windsurfing
Matt: yeah
Conor Fowler: That's a great answer. And that's like probably most of the truth.
Matt: First thing that comes to mind, honestly.
Leo: i saw some video oh yeah i saw oh yeah for sure
Conor Fowler: But it's like a robot.
Matt: I mean, if our Achilleans are real, he is definitely one of them.
Conor Fowler: Oh, for certain.
Leo: I can't believe I didn't answer in the clear no to that answer. Um, Um, but anyway, look, I'm second guessing myself. People are gonna, okay. and Enough about that, the people, but you know, I saw some, I saw some Facebook, no, on Instagram, some video of Mark Zuckerberg. I forgot what it was saying, but he was like, you're just wearing this like really baggy sweatshirt and had some like chain necklace thing. And I was like, what?
Leo: And his hair was like extra mixed up. I'm like, is he just trying to be like a cool guy now or something? Just like, just like, you know, I don't know. Do you need to, but I don't want to, whatever. I'm judging him. I try not to judge people, but we all judge. I'm trying, I'm wrestling with spirituality. I'm reconnecting with spirituality. That's a whole other thing.
Conor Fowler: It would be hard though, like being a billionaire, how could you decide what to wear?
Leo: Exploiting the working classes.
Conor Fowler: Yeah. But the windsurfing answer is a good one. one what What other kind of shit did you, do you want to talk about UMBC? I mean,
Leo: Am I not talking about clothing enough?
Conor Fowler: We haven't talked about it at all and that's fine. I am curious though, I was gonna ask like, you didn't care about clothing when I knew you first. I feel like now you have a different, I don't know, approach to it.
Leo: I kind of still don't care about it, but I know for brief, like when I went to Idaho, I got excited to get a cool jacket and
Conor Fowler: Yeah, you got the Levi Sherpa jacket, right?
Leo: I certainly get excited about certain types of, I don't know. I have, I, I always wear Levi's jeans.
Leo: I just was like, at one point I decided I like Levi's jeans. Levi's jeans. I'm just going to wear Levi's. And so like, that's what I do. I wear T -shirts a lot.
Conor Fowler: It's.
Leo: Sometimes I thought, am I wearing too many band shirts now that I'm old, just because all my shirts are band shirts, but it's like, well,
Conor Fowler: Well, what is your band shirt today? It was remarked up. It was remarked on pre -show.
Leo: Oh yeah, it's andric shout out to the up north area.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: They play Baltimore. a Good. A decent amount. They don't come to Florida that much because they're like a poor small band, but I saw them at the auto bar. It was a good show, but it made a better show.
Conor Fowler: Down the street in Baltimore.
Leo: I saw them in Tampa right before COVID. That was an amazing show.
Conor Fowler: Are they for a Florida band?
Leo: There's no different.
Matt: No, they're from Jersey.
Conor Fowler: Sure.
Leo: But um I think about if I should wear more professional clothes for school sometimes, but I kind of just don't care. And I'm like art teachers wear whatever they want to wear.
Matt: Yeah, yeah. You have the luxury.
Leo: and
Matt: Like, that the art teacher trope is prevalent still.
Leo: Yeah. And glass.
Conor Fowler: The ponytail, that's what you said.
Leo: I had these glasses.
Conor Fowler: You never knew you'd be a ponytail person, right? And and here you are.
Leo: yeah Oh my God. Yes. I never thought I'd be a ponytail. I kind of just like wanted to see what would be like if my, okay. I saw this picture of.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, you could probably go without the glasses even.
Leo: I saw this picture of Ray Davies from The Kinks and he had long hair and he had this like British jacket on and that's like the jacket I bought.
Matt: Oh nice, yeah.
Leo: I like mimicked him in a way. I knew, I was like, I don't often see like a celebrity and like want to copy their clothing, but I was like, I want that jacket. And that's the one I got into Idaho or something similar.
Leo: I ordered it from England, from some store in England that, cause it was like made of like Scottish wool or something. I don't know.
Conor Fowler: What is it? What is this jacket?
Leo: I'll get it.
Conor Fowler: You don't know.
Leo: I'll get it. Because I don't know.
Conor Fowler: That's fine. Yeah, we we.
Leo: oh
Conor Fowler: Yeah, that's fine.
Leo: I don't have to get I knew the term of it when I ordered it, but I forgot it.
Conor Fowler: Well, so is it like a blazer? Is it like a.
Leo: Because I haven't been able to wear it in Florida because it's been so effing hot.
Conor Fowler: Because it's too hot, damn, damn, so I guess it isn't.
Matt: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Leo: But even really in North Florida it gets cold enough. Here in South Florida it's really warm. um But yeah, like, I guess trying to wrap up. I don't know. There's just, there's always been pieces. Like I have, I don't know if it's normal for people to have like a favorite, like, oh, this is my favorite pair of boxers.
Leo: This is my, when I was a kid, I had a, I had a favorite pair of a Lion King jeans when I was a child.
Conor Fowler: I have them, yeah, I would say.
Conor Fowler: I have some that have footballs on them. And that is like endlessly funny to me because I am not involved in sporting at all. So to wear a football decorated garment of any kind is funny. So I do it, as ever, for the joke.
Leo: That's the, that's commitment to, uh, to the joke right there.
Conor Fowler: And it's a little, it's like a, it's like sort of a pun in a way, but yeah, I mean, if you have more to share, share away, you said you were trying to talk.
Leo: Wait.
Leo: wait
Conor Fowler: And so we're waiting. No, man. I was going to say like,
Leo: Trying to talk about what I'm getting confused now. I'm sorry.
Conor Fowler: What? Yeah, I mean, so you asked the question, right? Like, is it weird to have favorite boxers?
Leo: Oh yeah, I'm going in tangent to tangent. I'm like, am I jumping from the thing to thing too much? Because I can freaking.
Conor Fowler: We're comfortable with that.
Leo: OK.
Conor Fowler: I think we probably will wrap up, but. but. um Yeah, I was going to ask you, like, surely you have a favorite T -shirt.
Conor Fowler: Are you wearing it?
Leo: No, this actually has become less important to me, I have t shirts I wear that are less important around the house that like I don't, and then I have teachers I'd like preserve because I want to.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a hierarchy of t -shirts. So what's it look like?
Leo: Normally, I would say I couldn't pick a favorite, but I'll say I have this favorite. It's like a custom t -shirt from an art exhibition when I was in grad school in Tampa. it's It says smash bang on it. It has this lady like playing drums with multiple arms.
Leo: It was from this exhibition involved that was involved my professor and thesis chair, Wendy Babcox, who sadly passed away from breast cancer.
Conor Fowler: Oh, yeah. so
Leo: And so that shirt, not only do i not to get like super sad or anything, but not only do I love how that shirt like looks, it's just a black t -shirt with this white like cartoonish graphic on it.
Conor Fowler: Alright, P.
Leo: It says Smash Bang kind of like an angled lettering. Not only do I like the aesthetic of it, but it also like has meaning for me now. So that's my favorite shirt.
Conor Fowler: Beautiful answer really I would say like because we talk about this and it's like even a t -shirt Like you could have so much associated with the t -shirt and here we are. We have it We want a picture of the t -shirt too for sure not immediately but yeah definitely Yeah,
Leo: Yes, right there. I'm glad I could give you this good analysis. I can get you a picture of the jacket too.
Matt: Yeah please do.
Conor Fowler: you idiot
Matt: That thing sounds fucking sick.
Leo: It's just like some, it's like gray. I guess it's wool.
Conor Fowler: That narrows it to almost every garment that we talk about on the show.
Leo: And then it's like, it had some pattern that I forgot what it was called. And it's kind of like, ha it kind of goes to your like size.
Conor Fowler: It's like a tweed jacket.
Matt: Yeah.
Leo: Yeah, something like that.
Conor Fowler: So we'll get a picture of it. We'll put it up.
Matt: yeah Yeah, Leo, dude, thank you for coming on and talking shit. And let's, yeah, let's have you on again and talk some more shit.
Leo: Yeah, I'm down for whatever, and it was fun. It flew by for me. I do hope I wasn't. I came into this interview very hyped, and so it continued throughout.
Matt: i I think you delivered. For sure.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, dude. Yeah, you represented the Greek people.
Matt: Yeah. You did, you did.
Leo: Half Greek, but I also, my Greek can overshadow sometimes my Irish.
Conor Fowler: I didn't know he was a mik too!
Matt: you you you will
Conor Fowler: Wonderful!
Leo: mothers This is another, for your security questions, mother's maiden name, O 'Donnell.
Conor Fowler: You know, I never knew that about you. I always thought you were Greek Grecian.
Leo: That's why I had to point this out. I'm only 50 % Greek, but i love I love my Greek.
Conor Fowler: Well, it is dominant. I mean, I i dated a Greek person that was a quarter Greek and it was like her whole thing.
Leo: but
Matt: Hey, you, you, you will...
Leo: Yeah, because Greek people are like, oh my God, you're Greek too. oh And we i connect.
Conor Fowler: Yeah.
Leo: But yeah, i always to Irish is like the second largest amount. So I'm like, gotta give a shout out for that too.
Conor Fowler: A shout out indeed.
Matt: Oh, always. We love the Irish. um Well, since we're talking about shout outs, Leo, please shout out your social media or whatever else you would like and or whatever else you would like.
Leo: The promotion aspect has come.
Matt: Please, please, promote yourself.
Conor Fowler: Finally, finally.
Leo: So my music, that's honestly my favorite thing I do. It's Goofball, G -O -F, wait, G -O -O -F -B -A -W -L is how I spell Goofball.
Conor Fowler: Which is a great.
Leo: You can search that, it's on Spotify, but if you want an actual, I don't have a website or anything. I guess actually, if you go to leodesis dot .com, just L -E -O -D -E -Z -E -S, it has all my stuff on it.
Matt: Nuts.
Leo: But now, now it's,
Conor Fowler: which It's a great website. It's a great website. No, before you go to it, that it's a great website. It will make you laugh at the very least.
Leo: But now it's saying, look, today's just not been my day. My website is down right now. says So now on Instagram, and Instagram it's goofball music.
Conor Fowler: Terrorized by students and you failures.
Leo: So I have reticulating splines.
Conor Fowler: Because you're back.
Leo: That's my art account.
Conor Fowler: That one is the shit. That one is so funny.
Leo: includ at loggenics
Conor Fowler: I share stuff from that all the time. Skunk, ape, immortal.
Leo: But see, how do you spell reticulating splines?
Conor Fowler: R -E -T -I -C, retic, U -L -A -T -I -N -G, reticulating.
Leo: There's like an underscore in it. Good. My website does work. It doesn't work in Firefox. Interesting.
Matt: Ah.
Leo: Okay. and It says my website is not secure because it's not HTTPS. It's only HTTP. So it may block people. Great.
Conor Fowler: Well, we'll hear about it in our email address.
Leo: Also, I have more music of my name, Leonidas Desus, on the Spotify. I've researched my name. It has my whole discography of albums going back to 2009.
Matt: shit. All right.
Leo: OK.
Matt: you heard it first and uh... dive into it nice
Leo: Yes, I have a song called Dive on Deep Into the Blue. if You can listen to that. Available now.
Leo: it's It's on Apple Music and all that other stuff, too. It's not just on Spotify. It's like, yes.
Conor Fowler: diversified just like this program you can find basically anywhere you would want to oh that's why i mean yeah yeah
Leo: And I have a streaming show, Total Insanity. That's kind of dormant, but it will come back because I still have to see something. Sorry, you're end ending this number, lingering in Illinois, but there's a lot of things to promote. I've, I can clearly say I need some type of a unified promotional dirt thing, which is my website, but my website has problems now. So.
Conor Fowler: ah ah This is like the life, this is the life of an artist in 2024, dysfunction and terror in Florida.
Leo: Yes. Okay. Thanks for having me oh guys. I really did have fun. I could talk endlessly. So if you ever want to have me back i and I'll be more calm or like I'm too hyped.
Matt: we we
Conor Fowler: we'll consider We'll consider it, Leo. Your behavior was basically fine.
Leo: Look, this, we can count seven apologies throughout this throughout this.
Conor Fowler: at least seven apologies.
Matt: ah have
Conor Fowler: I think.
Matt: that's That's going to be the name of the episode.
Conor Fowler: and yeah's sir So anyway, much love Leo, very good to see you. Thank you for entertaining our little thing because basically when we said we needed a logo, you said yes.
Leo: Yeah, man.
Conor Fowler: So we are very connected to you, even though you live in Florida.
Leo: For sure, man. And I'm glad that we crossed paths that you and me say, too.
Conor Fowler: Indeed.
Leo: Yeah. Yeah, to lead to this time.
Conor Fowler: Oh, to lead to this indeed.
Leo: I just mean, this this more than the podcast, this whole
Leo: Just the real, I guess, relationship. You know what I mean? It's a human relationship between what am I an alien now? It's just a human relationship.
Conor Fowler: Yeah, well, before we go down the more Zuckerbergian path, ah See you later. It's been real and good.
Leo: i Thank you.
Matt: Thank you.
