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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: Did you miss us? We missed you. Let's go. We have lots. We have lots to talk about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Was there rugby on this weekend?
Jarrod Dyke: We have lots to talk about. There was no rugby on this weekend at all. yeah Open up, you fucker.
Jarrod Dyke: I have a weak man today.
Jarrod Dyke: Find us on your favorite podcast app where and make sure that you download great reviews, share, Feedback back always welcome per usual. um Those that have not seen my activity on the platform, probably me known as Twitter, um we're divesting. So I'm going to probably make the final decision tomorrow on exactly where I'm going to post everything. So it'll be fun. um Needless to say, keep your eyes peeled and we'll probably leave the all the links on our Patreon. We'll probably pin it to the top.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, we can make our own like like this joint account too.
Jarrod Dyke: And that way, that way we can...
Grumpy Old Prop: So we can have like our personal accounts and then and then this thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh yeah, I think we will, we will. I think we will, yeah, I think that's the plan.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah This thing being the fantasy rugby yanks. Find us at, fantasy rugby yanks at blue sky or threads or but whatever Jared decides.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they'll be they' there'll probably be a multitude of things, because Blue Sky doesn't have a lot right now in terms of rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, ah while I would love it for it to
Grumpy Old Prop: We that's that means that means people need something to go there for for rugby. Oh That's weird I've heard people say like throw there's there's no rugby people on blue sky and it's like well, let's go Yeah, why don't we go be those people?
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I totally agree. So we'll definitely do it. But, um, in terms of us like finding things, there is now there is now.
Jarrod Dyke: So anyway, um, yeah, just make sure that you're doing in that. Um, well, I'll change the ending as, uh, once we do that too. Cause I know it tells it, it tells everyone to follow us on Twitter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh ah
Jarrod Dyke: I'm aware of that. We'll fix it in how, in how much time I have no idea, but
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's on the list. It's on the list. Just leave it at that.
Jarrod Dyke: I promise.
Grumpy Old Prop: I swear.
Jarrod Dyke: I promise it's out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not very high, but it's there.
Jarrod Dyke: It's out there. It's on there. Um, it'll get there by the end of the, by the end of the season, probably. Uh, any, uh, make sure that you buy our good friend, George, the fancy, you very geeky coffee or beer, uh, busy boy writing all them fancy articles for the official game and all that stuff.
Jarrod Dyke: But, uh, so support the guy.
Jarrod Dyke: He's worth it. He is worth it. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: There's no discrimination here on this podcast, or nor should there be in sports or in life. Fucking Wales Rugby Union, like, could we be more cocked?
Grumpy Old Prop: They they just like saw it sitting there and they're like, you know what? I'm gonna do I'm gonna step right in it and And watch me everybody world. Hey, look at this. I'm step. I'm i'm just gonna step right in what the fuck
Jarrod Dyke: Stop, stop, stop, stop, like, oh my God. oh ah Like in in a time where obviously we know what happened over here in the States for with our election, like where that is like on in a micro ah on a microscope right now or under a microscope right now.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, really? Really? You're going to do that?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You fucking idiots.
Grumpy Old Prop: And expect like, well, I mean, you know, Welsh rugby in general has built up so much goodwill these days.
Jarrod Dyke: but We'll talk about that in a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, anyway, point being like, why why would you fuck over your women's players? And like, especially that, like, the the pressure, like, oh, you're signing within an hour, or we're just like, it's like, that's not, that's just not how you act. That's not, that's just not
Jarrod Dyke: and and And no, on no planet would they ever do that to the men.
Grumpy Old Prop: I can't, I can't imagine it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: No matter how bad the men is are, by the way. And the men are not good as we all know right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're not great. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And so like, on no planet would they do that ever to them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So it's just so
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, we said Irish rugby hold my beer.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And it's like, the we are we should we need to be past this.
Jarrod Dyke: You know?
Grumpy Old Prop: Ultimately, that's where we are.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Like this should no longer be a thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's make it stop being a thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Please.
Grumpy Old Prop: Please and thank you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, no shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know what else to say.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, not much else to say, you know, really isn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: So but again, rugby players are rugby players.
Jarrod Dyke: anyhow
Grumpy Old Prop: like and We got to get to the, you know, to equal play but pay.
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho.
Grumpy Old Prop: But at first, like, can we just. Just treat the ladies like human beings like they're actual like people who are actually doing a job.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: That involves putting your body on the line for you. So, fuck's sake.
Jarrod Dyke: Absolutely. Especially when you have wonderful people like jazz choice pushers.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Whoo. Anywho. um Make sure that you grab our Patreon that will be updated on PWR this week. I promise, I promise, I promise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah, I got to get you entries.
Jarrod Dyke: And then we'll, and yeah, and then we'll do, I will do one big entry for the first six rounds of um Prem before we get back to it, which won't be for a couple more weeks.
Jarrod Dyke: So we get time, but I will try and to get it out there as soon as possible.
Grumpy Old Prop: But by the way, did we officially let Julia change her kicker?
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah All right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. I jokingly said all sales are final, but then I said kidding.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fine. Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Totally messing with you, of course. I mean, she got it in under the gun.
Grumpy Old Prop: She did. So.
Jarrod Dyke: and So, what are you going to do, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: I guess we'll abide by the rules then.
Jarrod Dyke: Rules and all that stuff.
Grumpy Old Prop: Whatever.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, listen, there were people that weren't abiding by any rules this weekend, but that's a different, we'll get to that. We'll get to that point.
Grumpy Old Prop: christop
Jarrod Dyke: We'll get to that point. Um, anyway, um, well, you know, I would love to talk about the PWR game of the week, but you know, tiering kind of all of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah well I mean I you know what honestly um so I'm gonna make this about more than just that it's sort of the PWR because don't like Exeter can broadcast on YouTube they have their own YouTube channel that they I think they broadcast all their home games so why not like I mean Bristol Lester was always gonna be what that was
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. The shit show that was.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But I guess like, you know, I don't know. I, I, you wouldn't expect trail. Oh, I mean, clusters on the road. I don't know. I just, that was a closer game.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know. I just, it seems like there's other rugby that you could potentially highlight to an international audience than people who can go get it on YouTube anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. and
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they were, I mean, I know they're, they're working on trying to spread it out a little bit, which is, but yeah, in the, I think by the time we get to the point at the end of the season, we'll see a lot of Bristol, Gloucester, Harbury, Saracens, probably Exeter too, um, unfortunately.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm Yeah, yep, I Don't think I don't like and he I can't They are I can't hate the Chiefs women the way I do the men though because they actually play decent rugby and um You know, there's there's significant US players on that team.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, and then maybe, maybe trail finders, trail finders are kind of hanging around.
Jarrod Dyke: They have some of our gals on the team too, that helps.
Grumpy Old Prop: So It's hard to not like yeah I Hope yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, like Rachel. Most notably RJ and and Hope, but like, yeah, definitely RJ for sure.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, um let's dive into it. We'll start Friday night.
Jarrod Dyke: I am, I can't tell you how extremely disappointed I was in this match in general, but especially with the way Ireland played.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it was boring. It was like there, no.
Jarrod Dyke: was not a good match.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And they like, it's it's interesting the trend that we saw on the weekend that started with this, but it's just like, there's teams that play to kind of keep it close and maybe win at the end.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then there's teams that are just like, you know, I'm just gonna play rugby for 80 minutes and um see how many points I can put up. And I think in the end, I'll have more than you.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And like, that's that's how the All Blacks played. And um although we got to start with the haka, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself because that haka was was fucking fierce. I loved it. And the the Ireland approaching them. Yes. More of that, please. And thank you. I where was Ireland's guts the rest of the game, though?
Jarrod Dyke: i Worthy question.
Grumpy Old Prop: What are they kicking for points for?
Jarrod Dyke: Worthy question.
Grumpy Old Prop: What are they kicking for points for?
Grumpy Old Prop: It's a try scoring match.
Jarrod Dyke: i mean they
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, it's going to be a try scoring match. And in the end, I mean, then I thought Ireland had opportunities and just.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, there were points where they had it and they totally spit them in.
Grumpy Old Prop: but
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, one of the turning points sadly was um Tommy O 'Toole going down as fast as as he did because
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Finley Beallen was gassed. He did a good job, but he was gassed. And then all of a sudden, he's got to turn around and go back on there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, the All Blacks have fresh legs on at that point. It's like, oh, fucking hell.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Even if it's just, Tonga Fasi's obviously class, but even if it's just Tosi as well, like, I don't think Tosi's necessarily that good, but like between the two of them, it's like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: fucking hell. Like you've got to be you're you're just mad at yourself at that point. It's like, what did I do to deserve this? ah You feel for him, you do. And really, I commend Key and Healy for what he's doing.
Jarrod Dyke: But they got to pick another one not named Key and Healy for the backup. Like Porter is the number one, like no question about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: um He's one of the better loose heads in the world. But like, you need some and he'll he'll go as long until you you know, until you cut his legs off and drag him off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm
Jarrod Dyke: but you shouldn't have to make him do that either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right Yeah, what's the point of yeah Does does he need these seven minutes?
Jarrod Dyke: And I think they would be wise for Andy Farrell and company to move on from keen healing and thank him for what he's done for it and get on with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Really?
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: I Mean, that's all you're gonna play that your backup prop um
Grumpy Old Prop: pick someone younger who's, who you're trying to develop, who you're trying to get a taste. This is like, Kean Healy's not even warmed up after seven minutes, after sitting for 73. Like, it doesn't, it's like, okay, you may be, you might get a scrum, you're still like sorting the game out seven minutes in.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that body doesn't move so fast anymore.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the, like, what the fuck's going on here? um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no. Getting yourself up to speed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And, cause every game has like a feel to it. It's where, you know, there's like a rhythm and then you can kind of learn it as you, as you get going. But like, when you just come in fresh, it's like, okay, what what's actually going on out here?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I don't care what I've watched. It's it's different being in and, ah yeah, get a young player out there who's gotta learn.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and it's it's like we would, it's like we would criticize any other team, especially like England or New Zealand.
Grumpy Old Prop: Who doesn't do it?
Grumpy Old Prop: Which we, we're going to criticize England.
Jarrod Dyke: Is Kean Healy gonna be, we will, we'll get there.
Grumpy Old Prop: you have Just wait around for that.
Jarrod Dyke: don't don't you Don't you worry, keep your shorts on folks, we'll get there.
Grumpy Old Prop: We'll go anywhere for that.
Jarrod Dyke: But is Kean Healy gonna be at the World Cup in Australia?
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably I mean Right he's he's Probably not Right Right and also Same thing goes in in the in the back row like
Jarrod Dyke: Probably not. Do you think so? I mean, I understand his he's got like alligator blood in or something, but like, is he gonna be there and like actually participating? Probably not. So you might as well get someone else going out loose head besides Andrew Porter, because there'll be a point where you can't use Andrew Porter anymore in the fashion in which he's being used right now. So might as well get used to it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Peter Armani has said his piece to Sam Kane.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't think he needs to see him again. I think that that should be enough of a...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there's so many talented back rowers in Ireland.
Grumpy Old Prop: We're done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You don't need a Peter Armani in there and you have you have leadership, you have been to play you have Doris like, burn, you have the leadership you need.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, I don't I don't get that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Got Connor Murray coming on, you know, like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm not getting it. Like, yeah, why is why wasn't Casey at night unless he's hurt?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, did I lose my mind on that one?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe I did. But still, point being, ah if if he's if he's not hurt, then why the fuck isn't he out there?
Grumpy Old Prop: I i don't know, but I'm, I'm agreeing with you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. That's yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: I was, that was how I was perceiving what you were saying there and agreeing.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yeah, so but technical term.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Uninspiring rugby match.
Jarrod Dyke: Technical term. Yeah, yeah, either ah from either side.
Grumpy Old Prop: Unfortunately, I got, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, really, I think in a
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, and because, because part of this whole. updated thing is is narratives. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Damien McKenzie played a decent 10. But he didn't try to do too much.
Jarrod Dyke: somehow.
Grumpy Old Prop: He didn't try to do too much.
Jarrod Dyke: that was and That was enough for him to get a player of the match.
Grumpy Old Prop: He just kind of like, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So
Jarrod Dyke: What a fucking joke.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, um he was, you know, good's good for him. Like, that's let's see more of that and then more, like, you you look at the difference between, like, Mackenzie's impact on this game his game and or this game and, say, Marcus Smith's, when he was allowed to make an impact in the last couple of weeks. Like, there's just a different level um as a passer and a runner that, you know, Mackenzie's just, he's a good fullback. Don't get me wrong. Why why don't you just keep him there? Oh, that's right, because you've got the best fullback in the world, you know, Jordan.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Nevermind.
Jarrod Dyke: you Certainly have one of the hottest for election the world in the world Jordan. That's for sure Yeah, doesn't doesn't make sense to me either Yeah for sure All right, let's let's get on with this I
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Anywho. Anywho, Mackenzie actually kind of, he, he, I haven't, I have not, I can't say anything about him this week other than like, okay, job done. Good job for you.
Jarrod Dyke: I have no reason that to feel... Borthwick out, number one. Get the fuck rid of him now.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm kind of done with them.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm so sick of this shit. I'm so sick of this shit. I was done with him a while ago. I'm very done with him now. like It's one thing, we'll talk about whales in a minute.
Jarrod Dyke: Whales are at least throwing some babies out there and some inexperienced guys out there and saying, let's see what you got. Put it on an international stage, put it on tape.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's see what you got. We can coach we can coach you better and then we can keep going.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. We'll solve something.
Jarrod Dyke: This is supposedly gonna be England's team in Australia in 27.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, yeah, that's the problem.
Jarrod Dyke: Really?
Grumpy Old Prop: Look, why is, why why is, um, I don't know, why is Henry Slade on this team? I don't get it.
Jarrod Dyke: Barbzilla.
Grumpy Old Prop: um What did he, did he, what did he contribute?
Jarrod Dyke: Nothing.
Grumpy Old Prop: And not only that, but right, which is where he should be.
Jarrod Dyke: ah yeah I saw more of Ollie Lawrence, at least because he played 13, which is probably his best position.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And I don't mind having a distributor at all. Like I thought they, the concept could have worked, but then Slade just. He's not a great distributor and he's not a great runner. so And he runs, but he runs the hell out of the exit or defense that Australia just carved up.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, put 42 points on.
Grumpy Old Prop: The same way all the teams in the pram are carving up the exit or defense. Because if all you do is blitz, all the teams have to do is, as there was a ah really smart person that we get on this pod every so often, same as Jared Duck, you heard of him?
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, um this this man among men, Um, said recently that like the exit or defense, you just like get a little bit of depth and go around them and you beat them on the, on the corner.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, you know what, you know how teams are beating this exit or defense, both at the prem level and at the international level by just going around the corner.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a
Jarrod Dyke: It's an out the back and ah and a skip and you and and and it doesn't even need to be a wide skip.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. yeah
Jarrod Dyke: It can just be a one person mess.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. it's It's a really simple movement that's winning every time. And even when it doesn't work, it's still working. Like there were times where I think it was like, it was a bad pass, like the skip pass like bounced. And I think it was Suwali just like picked it up, got a little bit of forward momentum, you know, in tackle. he was There was still a loss on on on the on the phase, but it's still pinned the defense so that they're still flooding around.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then Australia go back inside.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I can't remember who it was. um It might've been L 'Olessio on the inside ball. Like I'm but coming back to the right on the inside. And then off of that, he passes it wide and they they're gone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause like that they're behind the defense at that point. Like all the defense is flowing around. You run but like literally behind their backs. And then in the scramble, you just pass it out wide and there's the try. Like it's, it's okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: For those of us who coach at high school or college at level, it's fucking impossible. I could never get my players to do that. But these guys, like that that's what they do.
Jarrod Dyke: That's what this is.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's literally their jobs.
Jarrod Dyke: This is the job.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's so easy to do that. If you just give them that little blueprint, you play it a little bit a couple times in practice.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then it goes onto the pitch and the fucking score tries for fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Doesn't take much.
Grumpy Old Prop: And look at the players who scored tries for Australia. Tom Wright, Harry Wilson, Jeremy Williams, Kellaway, Jorgensen. like These are often coming younger.
Jarrod Dyke: These are guys that are gonna be playing for a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: They'll be playing ah for you know and and probably two more World Cups, each of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: At least.
Jarrod Dyke: Give or take, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And like they're just you look at the the selection. It's like this is really Australia's best. They've thrown their best at you yeah Is Tom Curry really the best seven in England the fuck?
Grumpy Old Prop: No, get the fuck out of here.
Jarrod Dyke: Hell no.
Grumpy Old Prop: No I mean Yeah Right And like Slade is not where then you're near one of your best centers get it like what's the point?
Jarrod Dyke: Guy Pepper, Tom Pearson, either of those two, I'd take them. I'd take over him. Either of those two.
Grumpy Old Prop: You know Ford why is he why he's even even a rat like I guess why I get why he's around But is is Finn Smith hurt? That's the only thing I can I can potentially see Right Because like Right and Jake Gordon might be a little on the old side, but he's still really good.
Jarrod Dyke: That'd be the only justification. Even then still get, get the fuck rid of him. Put Lizoski in there. He'll, he'll do a way better job for both those players in place of.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I Who's like, oh, I want to see a solid better.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh God, Nick White fell off a cliff.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. No.
Jarrod Dyke: Like just good, good, good. And yeah, nose dive.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And he just became a complete pissant.
Jarrod Dyke: Like Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, and oh, how good is Angus bell? By the way.
Jarrod Dyke: One of the best, looks we talked about Porter. He's right up there. He's right up there. Genj, Porter, Bayh, and Bell are definitely in kind of their own category right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I wouldn't put, you know, DeGroote had the, had the potential to be there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm Yeah, he's good he gets a lot of carries though, but that's not like Yeah, no no Which is gonna be good for a prop like he's he's good for a prop whereas these other guys are good rugby players doesn't matter what position they play they they can do that and I still and you still I remember when we discussed Angus bells and
Jarrod Dyke: Eh, I like Skoomin, but he's not quite there. um he did he He does a lot of work, but he just doesn't do a lot with the work. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yes, I think that's a fair assessment. So yeah, no, he's definitely one of the best in the world.
Grumpy Old Prop: debut in in Super Rugby because it's funny that he was, uh, he got, um, pwned by his, his now teammate. Actually, his this fellow started and in Tupo. Tupo wrecked him to the point where bank Bell got carded on his debut.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm. Yep, yep, yep. He got he got his he got some lessons taught that day.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But, uh, damn, look at, look at how far he's come.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, but really, really good player. um I don't want to digress too much. But to illustrate your point about Slade not being a attacker, I was I paused a moment during the England game because I watched the England, New Zealand game a couple of weeks ago because I watched it late. um Came back from a day at the pitch and I'm watching it and he's got a chance to skin Scott Barrett and break the line and potentially score and Barrett gets him. And I'm like, dude, like there's a big enough gap here. Barrett's a very good second row. There's no question about that. But still that's a forward against ah against someone that people are claiming is a very good attacker.
Jarrod Dyke: it needs to be it needs to be a line break and Barrett gets them. So, nope, nope, not convinced. Not convinced. Listen, let's give Joe Schmidt a ton of credit. He did...
Jarrod Dyke: He took his lumps in the rugby championship this year.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: He knew he was going to get absolutely fucked by South Africa and New Zealand. He said, go out there and fuck it up, guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I don't care.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't care. You guys go out there and do your thing and get some experience. And, you know, there were some players out there that didn't belong, like did Trident quite a couple of times, like, me please don't do that again.
Jarrod Dyke: um And there were a couple of like Donaldson.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, you know, he's learning, too. He's sort of the tiktik.
Jarrod Dyke: I hate Donaldson.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I know you do.
Jarrod Dyke: you know I dislike Donaldson heavily, so pass on him too. But really, for the most part, just said, yeah, let's let's go see what we have. He he knows who his best back row is, I can tell you that much right now. Wasn't gonna be a really a really big mystery, but we're pretty sure it's Valentini, McRite, and Wilson.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, it's hard to argue otherwise.
Jarrod Dyke: Right, I'm not sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: Good luck. And, you know, if the next guy out off the bench is laying, who actually, I'm kind of glad to see him getting time, but I mean, I'm not sure he's the next best, but it's the same time.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like this is, that's when you rotate people in, you know.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. You can, you can find that like they've given Tizano a shot, which was cool.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And you know, that's, that's what, but that's what you do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Especially in a situation like Australia, where you have, you know, a lot of people kind of just flying the coop as fast as possible, which really sucks.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But you just, you know, you take the lumps and you deal with it and live with the fact that, you know, some new players are kind of probably fucking up for you now and again. But you also live with the fact that the new players are eventually going to figure it out and get you guys over the line once in a while, see Max Jorgensen, you know, like really awesome from him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Oh, that was a, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So I, yeah, I have no sympathy for England, sorry. you yeah ah Jamie George said ah said it best. First 20 minutes, they own the shit out of this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they stopped like that's Right And that that goes to my point of yeah that goes to my point about like, how you know Some of these coaches just go like okay you make it close But if if we get too far ahead then just chill they'll have to work their way back into it and it's like well You know when you say hey, they'll they they they' they'll have to work their way back into it teams will actually do that sometimes Shocker I know
Jarrod Dyke: And then they stopped. Just put took the foot off the gas and said, that's good enough. It's like, really? 15 points? I don't think so, guys. like You need a few more.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Wild ideas.
Grumpy Old Prop: but yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Wild ideas, you speak up, sir. ah Ah, shit. so Well done to Joe Schmidt in Australia. that was That was one of the more entertaining games of the weekend, to say the least. Good for them. We don't need to spend a ton of time on Italy and Argentina. What I do want to say about this is a couple of dumbasses were talking about this not too long ago.
Jarrod Dyke: italy playing our Italy are playing all the rugby this fall in the north.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah um Unless I'm mistaken. Hold on one second. Let me double check my work here. At least two of the three are up there. I can tell you that much because this was up north. I know they're in Turin. Maybe not next week, but the week after.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Jarrod Dyke: Where are they? Where are they? I think they're somewhere else this week. Hold on, time out. Sorry, I should have done my homework on this beforehand. My brain didnt my brain refused to cooperate.
Grumpy Old Prop: They are Stadio Luigi Ferraris. Luigi Ferraris.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, which I believe is Bologna.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know where that is.
Jarrod Dyke: And I think that's up, I think that's also up north. This is how well I know my Italy dream geography here.
Jarrod Dyke: It is.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's in Genoa.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. So it's up there, which is where all the rugby is being played, by the way, in Italy. It's not being played around Rome. And it was a very good environment, despite the fact that they got the shit kicked out of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Well.
Jarrod Dyke: I think there are a couple of big mistakes from some of the Italian players that cost them dearly. And this Argentina team is very good, by the way, like don't don't get that wrong either. Like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I mean, that's a, that is, uh, stacked. I mean, that's, that's not even good. They're, they're just stacked at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, like, I like the Molina kid. Ruby Olo looked great during the rugby championship.
Grumpy Old Prop: Uh -huh.
Jarrod Dyke: Gondana, we talked, we talked about a bunch.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gonzo obviously.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, I love this Oviedo kid.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, that's a, Fleabay Contemporme is cooking, to say the least. I think that's pretty obvious. I think there's some, still some guys that they could ditch, like, we talked about the, the Mattiasicises, they could probably get rid of them and nobody would, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably. Man, they're thinking of falling off a cliff.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ugh.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Um, Gomez Cadella is like 40.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: We don't need, to we don't need more of him, which I mean, great that he's getting rolled out there and still able to play, but like, probably don't need more of him.
Grumpy Old Prop: We can move on.
Jarrod Dyke: No, we can move on from that. But overall, Kanta Pomi is definitely onto something. So, uh, good on him, good on Argentina. Uh, sorry, Italy didn't get, I mean, it was 10, 17 at halftime.
Jarrod Dyke: Like they were in it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They just didn't, you know, they're, they're learning.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, i I still think this is a a testament more.
Jarrod Dyke: They're still learning. We know this.
Grumpy Old Prop: It says more about Argentina than it does about Italy. Like Italy are are not a bad team, but Argentina are.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh -huh. No.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're probably I think they're maybe a top four side in the world right now.
Jarrod Dyke: They're gonna, I think they're going to get there by the time we get to 27. I wouldn't be shocked. You know, this is, there was a lot of good things that have happened with the previous coaches, Ledesma, Czechs, so on and so forth.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Kontopom, he's been cutting his teeth at at some really good places and now he's,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's bringing it to the Argentinian side and I think it's going to do a lot of good. I liked him. but i I loved him as a player, by the way. I really did. So um I'm pulling for Argentina as long as as long as I can and as long as they're playing the good shit like this.
Jarrod Dyke: Like Albernaz has been great since they got rid of Santi Carreiroz as a 10. Like there's finally the world remembered he's not a 10, which is good.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Yeah. Why, when are they going to figure that out about Mackenzie? God damn it. Anyhow.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I'm not sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: And for the same reason, for the same reason, by the way, it's not, and not to denigrate Mackenzie as much as the people who select him at 10.
Jarrod Dyke: Razor's gonna figure that one out.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's more about them than about him.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, do we need to spend much time on Francis return to start of France?
Grumpy Old Prop: No, it was the stopping. It was always going to be a stopping. Nothing like.
Jarrod Dyke: The version of Japan this time around is shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is not a good team.
Jarrod Dyke: I knew it was bad when we when we we, the U .S., were competing with Japan for a while during that Pacific.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So I was like, that's that's that's not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: For those keeping score, that's not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: The U .S. were pretty terrible.
Grumpy Old Prop: And not that the U .S. aren't, I mean, just be Portugal, um which for us is actually a big deal. That's kind of sad to say, but it's like that's there and Portugal aren't a terrible side.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Fucking hell.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just, you know, I don't know. I think like, yeah, the U .S. and Japan, there's not that much of a gap there. There's definitely not as much of a gap, I think, between the U .S. and Japan as there is between Japan and France.
Jarrod Dyke: No, not right now. Frickin, um,
Grumpy Old Prop: But I will say um thank you to Boodenhut for um all the points as my super stub.
Jarrod Dyke: for your super sub. Yeah. Uh, I should, I should have picked a Frenchman as my super sub.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's exactly what I thought.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh well.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was like, I wish who am I picking of the on the bench? And then I was like, you know what? I'll i'll do the i'll do the loose forward. And he ah not realizing he would come on at 32 minutes, he came on in the first half and then
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that wasn't supposed to happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And then put two down and yeah I was pretty happy about all that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Didn't didn't go so bad. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, my team was almost like, I think, I mean, show shows me, but I mean, there's not much you can do about it. My team was almost 100 % England and French players. I had eight and on seven and seven, I think.
Jarrod Dyke: Those teams were scoring a lot of points.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, I had eight Frenchmen and two, four, six Englishmen and then two Welsh.
Jarrod Dyke: you fly to the E to the W.
Grumpy Old Prop: In the front row Dewey Lake and and Gareth Thomas.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: let's Let's go to the principality on Sunday.
Jarrod Dyke: McBurn is going to be doing good things for this Fijian team, number one.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, he's been coaching a lot of these guys with the Drua for a few seasons now. So he's got a handle on Who's good? Who's not? He knows who his 10 is. That's for goddamn sure. Like he's been, he's already been working with months for a little while. So he's, he gets it. He understands that the kind of very same thing, you know,
Jarrod Dyke: crucial, crucial roles in this team. And then he's got some fucking houses, like Rad, Rad, Rad, we'll get to what happened to him in a minute.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Tua Soba, oh God, did you see Tua Soba sit down Thomas Williams?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: That was like kind of a cartoon. I was like, whoops, and I'm pretty sure it led to a try. I was like, oh no, you just got posterized dude, in not a good way.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh man, I was laughing so hard watching when I saw that. I mean, I didn't realize it was him until after I saw the replay, but I was like, someone just got sat down by two itself.
Grumpy Old Prop: and then you kind of it's like okay well there's a scrum half so it's like but it brings down the degree of difficulty but it doesn't change the cool like you
Jarrod Dyke: Doesn't change to the humor factor for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Oh, and no, if anything, it's, if anything, it's funnier.
Jarrod Dyke: You can tell you that much right now.
Jarrod Dyke: I Mean he knew I mean like cutting himself when he scored his try He knew he was picking on he realized he was picking on he's like, oh, this is a nine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yay shove ah No, no, no you you stay back there sir, oh Man um Yeah, I I'm wondering
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: My one thing with the with the cards, and we'll talk we can talk ad nauseam about the 20 -minute red card. It's stupid, don't worry about it. Just stop stop trying to remember the rules around it, because it's it it shouldn't stay.
Jarrod Dyke: um I'm having a hard time understanding how Tommy Riffles wasn't a high degree of danger, which is what they determined later on.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, eh, that's a pretty high degree of danger -ish for me.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah it looks yeah i don't know right
Jarrod Dyke: I think he was lucky to be coming back.
Grumpy Old Prop: i
Jarrod Dyke: Not that he did a whole lot, but you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. And that's again, that's, but it's hard to know like, is, is, is there anybody better that whales have right now?
Jarrod Dyke: ah Jack Morgan.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah. Is he, see Oh, we know he's on the boat.
Jarrod Dyke: The two guys that were on the bench, I would a billion times percent better have than him and Wayne Wright.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. That's, you know what? That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: And we, and you know, my I texted you, I was just like, holy shit, Wayne Wright's playing this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I saw him once and it was during like a whistle that came after a knock or something like that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: right no there he is yeah that back yeah right it's not good and that like so that that gets me to the i've seen a lot about the you know fire gatlin he's like sucking up you know how we're too much money from the the wru and all this stuff and it's like it look it might be true but this
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, oh, there's Wayne, right? Like all the people that were freaking gloating about how great he is. I was like, I think you need to examine this game closely and understand how bad he is.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: That might be true. the lot that that that one That one actual fact might be true.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, not fact, but you know what I mean.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Um, but at the same time they have to like, they're going to have to pay a coach and that's like, that's the market rate for someone like Allen.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: So do you want to pay a, I mean, do you want, you know, maybe, and maybe you want to take the chance with a lesser coach, but at the same time, are they going to get like,
Jarrod Dyke: Rob Baxter might be free soon.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But who are they going to get? That's like, but the the problem is a coach can do, you know, yeah, you can fuck up selections, all that stuff, but you can only make the players that much better when they're at this level.
Grumpy Old Prop: And the players are, and especially when they're young, like, you know.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Morgan hasn't played in a long time. He should, have I will say he should have started Sam Costolo. I thought, I thought, I think he's looking, he looks better every game he plays.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: He does.
Jarrod Dyke: so And they kind of screwed, they screwed the boots with the 6 -2. I think that's pretty obvious at this point.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um Cam Winette looks good almost every time he plays as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, he does.
Jarrod Dyke: Llewellyn, I like the Ben Thomas kid. I know they played him out of position during the summer, but that's fine. Blair Murray, hello. Like fastest try on debut ever, basically.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fun.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm pretty sure that's what it was. I like, um I like the Taines. I don't know how healthy Basham is, but I like Taines, Plum Tree, and Taines Basham.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: They're both pretty good guys. They need to find something new in that lock department. They have got just crap and crap again.
Grumpy Old Prop: They do.
Jarrod Dyke: Like Shinza probably should be in there if it's an if they're putting their best team out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably No Right, that's that's a problem that's a massive problem though pun intended but the like you need locks who are Maybe at some point like what's what ah what what the fuck are we doing here?
Jarrod Dyke: um Sadly, Captain Daffy might be the other one, which is stupid, but yeah. That's where they're at right now in terms of that. So they got to do some digging on that one.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe they shove both of them forward. That might be more useful.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cuz Like that's you know
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, um I like Roland's overbeard, but I don't like either of them that much.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Not anymore. Anyway, I will roll owns of like seven years ago.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, please. and Thank you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we can talk about that. But in the end, it was just an inspiration for Fiji, so no.
Grumpy Old Prop: but i Like a different coach isn't going to change. Yeah, a different coach isn't going to change this team from what it is. They're they're they're struggling and they need like, as just as a union wells wells meet like, I don't know, they they make the US seem stable and
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: intelligent, even if you know they've got a better you know overall program.
Jarrod Dyke: Right?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. But yeah, i I'm really happy for the Fijians are on the up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't think there's a question about it. I think the last World Cup is you know really the kick the kickoff for them. I don't think it's the peak.
Jarrod Dyke: I think it's the kickoff. And that's really cool to think about for their sake. really is. I think they're going to need a little bit of help in that, nine ru because um, because I don't think I know one of those guys is is young.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. any Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Crow value or Lamani. I know Lamani's not that young, but I mean, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he's again, he's gained the reputation. So they he's got to watch himself perfectly blunt. Now, like we know we saw it. Like, I think you were, we didn't talk about it last week, but you thought that was a, um, a pretty, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Bit of a harsh yellow on him for in the Scotland game. Yeah, I thought so too.
Grumpy Old Prop: But at the same time, he's been doing stuff like that lately. And I think the the word is out on the streets and you can't have that kind of reputation.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm Unfortunately I Think I think if yeah, ah you might be right. I think if it was any other player you might he might not I got the card Might have even just called it a knock -on which I thought was I honestly thought that's what it was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, which, but so yeah. um maybe I could have seen a pet only just because of the location on the field. um But yeah, the card. But yeah, like I said, reputation card.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's like a Thomas Lavignini card.
Jarrod Dyke: I
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, all right, I saw you do something, get the fuck off my field.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: like
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah. This, I mean, and Mattavacie is not a pop, but like the the the the hooker situation for them right now is really awesome between a kind of battery and Mattavacie.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Like you, and most people would bite your hand off for our situation as as such. So good for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And Maui was is crushing it.
Jarrod Dyke: Good for them. Yep. Well, I love that, dude.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're welcome.
Jarrod Dyke: The second one coming out.
Jarrod Dyke: All right.
Jarrod Dyke: To Murrayfield. Number one, fuck you, Peacock, for skipping this anthem. I fucking hate you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm Yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: Whoever the fuck let them have hands on international rugby again, like shame on you, all you. like and And I don't like flow either, so really, TRN, get your shit together.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, let's go.
Grumpy Old Prop: please Right And seriously if you like like seriously if you
Jarrod Dyke: Come on, come on. You can overtake both of these fucking jamokes. You just pull your head out of your ass.
Grumpy Old Prop: made it like even half of what the the the fee, like half of what ah flow is. I can't imagine you would not be doing well if you had all this the yeah subscriptions, all that stuff.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like I hate paying for all these subscriptions.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh -huh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just bring, unite the clans, please.
Jarrod Dyke: Give me one. Well, I guess that at one point is the plan from world rugby, but like, please, like, let's get, let's get our shit together fast.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Okay. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho. Um, but let's.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't feel like this was much of like ever. When was this really?
Jarrod Dyke: close.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, like was was this?
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, the second they like the minute it felt like they survived that huge wave of seven, seven followers coming on, they should have won this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Did you ever at any point feel like Scotland where were but're going to take this game over and and win it?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Their tail should have been up there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, their members should have been very hard and said, let's fucking go. And they went all in by going for threes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. They, they, like, they were, they were scared to, to face, um, the box in a, in a set piece.
Jarrod Dyke: Made me go limb by going for three.
Grumpy Old Prop: And even though they weren't, they were kind of holding their own.
Jarrod Dyke: They were getting the, like on scrums, they were getting them away on their own, which was fine. You know, and I knew when they, when the box started asking for scrums, I was like, they're gonna get fucked.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And they did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, xander figures, it's not very good, let's be honest.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, there's that. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And miller mills is not a step up at at all. So it's like, yeah, you have problems there.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. No, Harriet got all the rugby jeans.
Jarrod Dyke: But all that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Elliot is just kind of swimming in her week.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, just kind of hanging out. Like you don't need to drive the goddamn ball over during a fucking mall of a line out to score.
Grumpy Old Prop: hey
Jarrod Dyke: Let's establish that. Like get creative of down there. Isn't that like part of the fun down there? Like ah you did did you see the healing drive from this weekend at the line out?
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, it was freaking beautiful.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, wait, maybe I did.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, so they They made like they were gonna throw it to the front lifter, whatever position.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And they actually skipped him and went to the second guy behind him and he had a hole and he went and he went right through.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow. Nice.
Jarrod Dyke: It was brilliant. I was like, that's the type of, that's where you need the creativity right in there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And I know you have guys like Etzabeth who, fuck you for being so goddamn good, dude.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: ah You have guys like him that are just gonna cause a nightmare of things going on in that lineup.
Grumpy Old Prop: i
Jarrod Dyke: But like, get creative. Get creative, get down there and put do a tap and go, for fuck's sake, when you're anywhere near the five. like Anytime, really inside the 22, I'd just be like, you know what, let's just hang out down here and make life hard on them, especially, because you know what, tires out players, even if they've just come on?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Making tackle after tackling getting up and getting up and, and just like, it's, it's like doing burpees.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And burpees suck.
Grumpy Old Prop: What's up worse. Right. So you got to think.
Jarrod Dyke: I fuck it. by the as a fitness and As a fitness person, I fucking hate burpees. They're stupid.
Grumpy Old Prop: By the way, so so because I'm sadistic like that, I made ah one of the the fitness tests, 30 burpees for time.
Jarrod Dyke: But that's a different story for a different day.
Grumpy Old Prop: I have an evil bastard like that.
Jarrod Dyke: You're an asshole. You truly are. You truly are.
Jarrod Dyke: That's messed up, man. That's really messed up.
Grumpy Old Prop: These kids don't, that will that will relax over time, but man, these kids are out of shape.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank you.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're so out of shape.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, that's why you, that's why you call me dumbass.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, um, digress. Uh, let's, so let's address the elephant in the room. The Scott Cummings red. There are few times that the yellow card review has fucked up.
Jarrod Dyke: Like I, like I said to my buddy, Justin, like I can't remember the last time that in the recent, you know, history that it's been started to be used that they really botched one.
Jarrod Dyke: This is one of them, because that's not a red. it's not on It's certainly not on comings.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, no, I mean I get I get that they're trying to take that that croc roll out of the game But like Yeah At worst I yeah Um, I know like I could see a yellow just because it's like one of those man that could have been really bad if you had done it
Jarrod Dyke: I don't even know. And there's more dynamics to it with another player in there from the from the spring box. um i like Yellow at worst. I'm not sure it was even really a penalty, honestly. but you know
Grumpy Old Prop: Like just a little bit worse. So like you you rode the edge and instead it was like, no, no, no, you went all the way over the edge.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, really what...
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, no, they didn't know. No, that didn't happen.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, Moser goes down and gets bent over backwards, which tells me he's going straight anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Darge is probably the only one that's not helping things.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, so if that's what's happening, he's not rolling.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's driving straight. Like, if Moser can't keep his fucking feet, that's his own goddamn fault.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, like if he's got his teammate knocking him down, then most of you can yell at his teammate and slap him later.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'll agree to that.
Jarrod Dyke: Like there's, yeah, I don't know. I vehemently disagreed with the, and I thought the whole fucking referee and team cocked that up. So different story for a different day, but we'll get there eventually.
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho, um while,
Grumpy Old Prop: You know what, though, I got to say, let me time out for that. I honestly thought because I wasn't like.
Jarrod Dyke: go for it.
Grumpy Old Prop: fully watching this, i you know, babysitting a little bit. um I honestly thought the red card was on, I guess. Who'd you say was there? Darge. I thought that Darge was the one like I didn't you know, I wasn't paying attention to the names or whatnot.
Grumpy Old Prop: um At that point, I thought it was on Darge. I thought for that sliding down and being in the like kind of going over the knee.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I didn't realize it was for the dude driving.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: OK, you know, that's fucked up. That's even more fucked up.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like I, I could have seen a yellow on Darge there for what he did to slide down.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then that to me, I've seen players get carded for that. So I'm kind of with it.
Jarrod Dyke: And that would be, yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But no, then yeah, I don't, I have no fucking clue what Cummings did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I think that I think they balled up pretty hard, pretty hard.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. I'm with you then. I wasn't sure, but now I'm absolutely, you know, I was like, well, yeah, Darge, you know, there were like, you know, the player in Darge's position there. I'm like, well, you know, they're trying to crack down on that, but no, they didn't even, that's not what they carded.
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: They didn't even get that. And and I can, I. That's not why this law was put in anyway. like Darge was just stupid in general.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: like We're looking at Jack Willis when he did his knee a couple years ago.
Grumpy Old Prop: Exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the shit we're looking at.
Grumpy Old Prop: Exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: that's just um Who was it?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Fucking Darcy Swain on, was it Vy?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. On. um No, it was. ah Oh, shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, it was onpa on It was on Tupiah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Center. to but Yeah, Quinn. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the shit they're looking at. That's Red Tard right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: That's what that is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the stuff that they're looking at. they're not looking This was just either one and sheer act of stupidity and like, all right, you're an idiot, but let's, I'm going to, you know, we'll give you a card and that's probably all you're going to get because you were just dumb.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Not and not, you know, we're not looking to try and, you know, pretend that every time someone falls over or falls to the side or lands on a lower limb, it's a card.
Jarrod Dyke: It's still a rugby, and it sucks when shit like that happens.
Grumpy Old Prop: h Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like It's gonna happen, unfortunately, and I wish it wouldn't, but it is. It's a heavy collision contact sport. This shit happens, and it sucks, and I fucking hate that that's part of the game, but i don't we can't get everything.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But like, yeah. they were Right. And, but I also think I do agree with the, if you're, you know, if you're clearly not trying to keep your feet, if you're just going to deck on things like that, that makes sense.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then again, that's what I thought dogs did, but like but that, but that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I get that.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, if you're intending, like, you know, if you're just rocking, fuck that's, that's, that's rough.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And some guys, you know, realize, Oh shit, I'm going the exact wrong way. And they just kind of like go and try and roll away as fast as possible and hope they don't land on someone's limb.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And I don't think, I don't think darkness. So I did that. I think he was just really dumb.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, yeah, I agree.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, but yeah, so that's not, that's not what we're here for guys. Like, let's go. Oh, anyway. Um, can anyone stop map? NACMA pimpi number one.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: No, nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: The answer is no. So that that didn that ends that game.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, they cannot.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: I'd like to see Jasper Visa get over, though.
Jarrod Dyke: im I mean, yeah, we we love a Thomas DeToy try around here.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was kind of cool. And Thomas G. Toy, because that's always good to see. That was a fun try, too.
Jarrod Dyke: um i I think the Springboks are facing kind of the same problems where when we're talking about guys that probably aren't going to be at the next World Cup. I don't think Ben Stodden is going to be there.
Jarrod Dyke: If Quagga Smith's there, they're fucked because I don't think he's very good at all. I rewind the tape. I was a huge Quagga Smith fan once upon a time.
Grumpy Old Prop: I remember this.
Jarrod Dyke: Trust me, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, then I'm not saying you're not now. it's just He's not what he used to be.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I think it's crashed and burned. We're done. We're done with this. Jesse should be your number eight. And I think they need to bring guys along like um the Bulls guy, Hanukkom, you know,
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, yeah. Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: I think they need to start bringing that guy around.
Grumpy Old Prop: They definitely do.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. um Different note. I did not realize how fucking big Stafford McDowell is. He is huge.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's all.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, holy, i I saw him last weekend this week. I'm like, that dude's fucking enormous. Who the fuck is that? Holy shit. He is a large human.
Grumpy Old Prop: A unit.
Jarrod Dyke: Where are the stats on this motherfucker? Yeah, 6 -4. For a center, hot damn.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's all right. That's okay.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a big boy. 2 -27 and he is like nothing but muscle, like I swear.
Grumpy Old Prop: Rock. Chiseled.
Jarrod Dyke: Like 2 -27 is not, for 6 -4 is not that big.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: So he's gotta be a rock. Holy shit. um Yeah, and then you have Hugh Jones and 2 -2 in there too. So, all right, they're good for centers. Nevermind.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Sorry, Hutch.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that is sad for Hutch.
Jarrod Dyke: but Sorry, hu sorry, Redpath.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Like, they're set for centers. They don't need anybody else.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah and
Jarrod Dyke: Although, I think Hugh Jones is very young, so maybe they do.
Grumpy Old Prop: orley Yeah, they have a shot, but they're basically directly competing against each other plus whoever else shows up because you never know.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, we don't know anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: God damn.
Grumpy Old Prop: They might know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they might know. But anyway, yeah, as as we said, I think I don't think the Springboks did a ton to win this game. I think Scotland and the officials ah just a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah well
Jarrod Dyke: Did a lot to help them lose it.
Jarrod Dyke: And that and i I think that's really where it's at.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like No, I don't think the Spring Boss looks especially good. yeah There's and a seven month split. The day that fucking die dies, I'll be dancing in the street.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's not good.
Jarrod Dyke: I hate that. I hate that so much. It's just, it's arrogance. It's not even, I'm being clever. It's arrogance. It's all it is. ah barf, like barf into my water cup here, like bleh.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Don't do that.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know, I'm tempted to.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Whatever. I'm not your supervisor.
Jarrod Dyke: You're not my robot supervisor.
Grumpy Old Prop: good ah
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, um yeah, sad, sad panda. Sad trombone.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah yeah la
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, exactly. Cue sad trombone. All right. Let's get into the the fun bits. um Those that did themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: who outdid themselves. um Yeah, I don't have a list.
Jarrod Dyke: I got a list.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was I had I have a young player. I didn't have a list of outdid themselves, but I'm going to.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I got a list.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, um my my obviously my first one is going to be Angus Bell.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. I have the spell on there. Yep. Um, for being his first game of rugby, I know that he was playing the match, but first, first game of rugby union.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, well.
Jarrod Dyke: So like, yeah, it probably hasn't played since he was a schoolboy.
Grumpy Old Prop: In a while, yeah, ah he was. Like school boy, but I mean, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, he's still played a little, you know, something similar, but damn, it's, it's, I mean, it's, this this is a significant difference and he just.
Jarrod Dyke: his His physical attributes were clear as to what's going to make him good at this ah the code.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So, good on him and what made him good at the other code. um We talked about Auburn Oz as well already. Slates with two off the bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. He was quite good.
Jarrod Dyke: Good for him. Yeah, and one of them showcased by Marcus Smith is really fucking good. Really fucking good. Amua.
Jarrod Dyke: All black sucker, like, you know, first start getting thrown into quite a cauldron at the, at the Aviva play pretty well. Considering he's had some, he's had some stinkers in that black shirt, let alone in the yellow shirt.
Jarrod Dyke: So, um, good for him. That was actually not, bad not, not bad at all. Um, talk about cutting himself a little bit to his double.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, I'd say Harry Wilson, too.
Jarrod Dyke: That was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Didn't he got over it?
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, a lot of those guys that I named earlier.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right was just right was a fucking problem.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: All match.
Jarrod Dyke: Why i took that why it took him why it took so long to make sure that guy was a nailed -on starter I have no idea I don't either that's that that's one thing I Slapped a Bernie for like other you know, there's a lot that he did right.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't get it. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That's one thing you did wrong um I Thought he did a good job, but the Schneider guys the referee in the was it the arch was it the France game I
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, it was, uh, yeah, the, uh, I think Fred's Japan. Hold on. I have it up.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Uh, yeah, Schneider, Argentinian.
Jarrod Dyke: Argentinian but from Germany.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm. I wonder how your grandpa got here.
Jarrod Dyke: How'd that happen?
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm. He was also, but yeah, he was also my referee of the week in that, um, I probably had one of the easiest assignments and just didn't bottle it.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, true. True, true.
Grumpy Old Prop: and I didn't agree with him the all the way, but at the same time, he's, he's young. that i'm Get some time and be goose stepping around the field and notes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, I, I can get behind that. I can get behind that.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm sorry. That's not fair. Um, the that's just, it's so fucking creepy, man.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, there's two different goose steps that we have here.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause I mean, like, yeah, like Marcus Smith. So, um, let's go with that.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, shot the bed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bortho.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Slay it again.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Slade, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Ireland is a hole really.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's where I was going next.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um but
Jarrod Dyke: Kristoff Ridley and that whole ref team in Scotland, like, and and and that includes Luke Pierce, who isn't a team and we, we are big fans of like the whole ref team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair.
Jarrod Dyke: It's on all you guys. There was a lot of bad decisions happening in that game and a lot of them. springbacks with a beneficiary of, and again, the, the, this whole, that whole game is at the feet of Scotland.
Jarrod Dyke: No question.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: They did not go for it when they should have. So I'm not going to pin all on him, but he still did a dog shit job.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Both can be true.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes. Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, and Wayne, right. We talked about. him just basically, we it's like, oh, hey, he's playing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. OK.
Jarrod Dyke: Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: Why?
Jarrod Dyke: What the actual, where where the fuck you been as a number eight?
Grumpy Old Prop: um like I guess Radradra has to be on that list of who shot it.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, come on, man.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, if we're gonna be fair to be fair.
Grumpy Old Prop: we're gonna be You know, I mean, he literally shot it like he yeah got red carded for something fucking stupid.
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: um And he was having such a great game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, just right break down and frickin' hit correctly, dum -dum.
Grumpy Old Prop: He just pooped all over.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Silly.
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho, um, try the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Try the week. I mean, there's there's a couple, ah but the only one for me was Max Jorgensen.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, I went from.
Grumpy Old Prop: There are a couple of good tries, but that one, um, you know, clock is red and you're, you know, beating England in England. You're Max Jorgensen who's like pop up common.
Jarrod Dyke: A pop.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like could be, it could be a thing, could be not a thing. Well, I mean, it seems like a thing potentially. So yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: He's gonna be in England fans and players nightmares for a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah they're going to repeat, be replaying that a little, a couple of times.
Jarrod Dyke: Him and Nicky Tyler, who fed him the ball.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I went with one from the same game. um I went with the Jeremy Williams try.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was also I mean.
Jarrod Dyke: Well well -created.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Managed to keep himself in for not a back.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a really good job. but really like he like Barely himself in.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Some people will say he was out. Some people say I'm stud, so whatever.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah, I.
Grumpy Old Prop: I couldn't quite tell, so I'm again, it was awarded, so go with it.
Jarrod Dyke: Calling the field was was was trying.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You ain't gonna overturn it.
Grumpy Old Prop: right i
Jarrod Dyke: So there we go.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: thought they would by the way but they didn't i thought they would but they didn't yeah i thought they were going to return it yeah
Jarrod Dyke: What's that? They were gonna return it. I was so happy. that And I was like, count that motherfucker. as so as a guy that played lock for quite a bit of his career.
Jarrod Dyke: Count that motherfucker.
Grumpy Old Prop: here ah
Jarrod Dyke: Coach, you're a young player. Yeah, I know you're rough, but what about Coach?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, shoot, I had it, lost it. Give me a sec. Um, who I fuck, I Argentina's, uh, our, well, both coaches for Argentina and for Fiji. Um, I'm busy.
Jarrod Dyke: Got to pull me burn.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um, sorry, I didn't write it down. Um, I'm gonna, yeah, I'm have it.
Jarrod Dyke: Attaboy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, I'm here. Uh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I'm with you, my friend. I'm with you, my friend. I i did my homework last minute as well. I was dealing with a very angry child.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Uh, yeah. Um, anywho. but they're just, there's a lot of development there. And while, while teams are kind of staying stagnant, they're not afraid to take a couple of risks and they're not afraid to play young players and they're not afraid to lose.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's paying off for them and all these teams that, all these teams that are like playing it safe and going with it, the ah quote tried and true veteran.
Jarrod Dyke: To develop, yeah, to develop their players.
Jarrod Dyke: and losing anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: How's that working out for you?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, still losing anyway. Good job.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um i I also went with McBern.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So, yep. Appropriate. ah Appropriate. We know your ref was Schneider.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I went with Luke Ramos doing the Wales VG game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also a good one.
Jarrod Dyke: I thought he got a lot right and Especially for a French referee, which we all we all know a little of a jouer jouer Yeah, I thought that was I thought he did a really good job so good on him you If that's if that's what if the he's like the next big referee from France I Could I could I could do that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm I'm interested in seeing more. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like yeah I'm sure he'll have some games. where I'm like what the fuck but for the most part I
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. But then you'll be like, okay, well, he's French. So, okay. That's forgivable.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right. and Well, he's French.
Grumpy Old Prop: All right. Fine. Yeah. That makes sense.
Jarrod Dyke: But we're French.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'll fetch What are you doing in England?
Jarrod Dyke: um Young player.
Grumpy Old Prop: Young player. Oh, like, I mean, first off, um, yeah we talked about Bell who's, you know, again, we were kind of, have to I guess, move away for a little bit from the, um, The typical because like a lot of these guys, they're there aren't many, like too many debutants.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i'm not thinking I'm not thinking that we're gonna find a whole lot of diamonds in the rough here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. So like Angus Bell Chandler cutting himself, you know, all those players for Australia, like just pick, you know, like um a lot of, a lot of good young players showing out this weekend.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Slight home too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I know it's probably the most applicable of all those because he's, he's a bit like barely played international. So, and he's just, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm, right, he's got like four caps.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he's just pooping out tries cause that's what he does.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Um, I went, I went with, um, Cameron up from Wales.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he's, again, he's growing every time he touches the ball. He, every time he plays like, like he does a lot of good things around it, especially, I mean, he's got no size whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: He looks like he's going to die every time he gets hit, he gets hit.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah Yeah I and I want to see more of tom jordan For scotland Yeah should talk to his older brother will
Jarrod Dyke: I'm like, please don't die a little guy, please. But yeah, I thought he played well.
Jarrod Dyke: He was so close to having a great game. He just, he needs to learn how to finish. He really does. Like I think he'll be great. He just got to learn how to finish those things. Cause he had a couple of them. Yeah. Yeah. He knows, he knows the thing about finishing thing or two. Um, all right. So I'll play the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um.
Grumpy Old Prop: This was I mean. This was a little bit tough, but again, I'm sticking with Max Jorgensen, because that's like who had a better experience this weekend than Max Jorgensen really um doing that.
Jarrod Dyke: Nice. Try to beat England. I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, um some good good performances overall, but like I didn't see many individual great individual performances, so I'm just going to go with the guy who had the best moment.
Jarrod Dyke: I went with months.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's ah another fantastic.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he almost outscored the whole, of the whole Welsh team by himself. Getting close.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Got a try. couple Got a few kicks. Like, yeah, not bad. Not bad. So yeah, I'm, um um this is what they think of what Fiji would have done if they'd had him at the World Cup.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, it's so painful to realize that later on. it like They lost him so close to it too.
Grumpy Old Prop: and the thing is they still have i they still have Isaiah Armstrong Revula who is not he's a baby and he's not bad either so there's there's a future at that tense button in Fiji um
Jarrod Dyke: A baby.
Jarrod Dyke: No, he's pretty good. He's pretty good as well. For the Fijians, yep, big time. um Dick or dicks of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Tommy Rafel, for one, for me, I thought that was ah just a silliness, um hurting your team for like no good reason, especially like you need to be one of the players who doesn't do stupid shit like that. um That's like your job, your one job.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah one job
Grumpy Old Prop: And honestly, Evanette's a bet for just crossing the line. There's no need. you youre Yes, you would get it. You're bigger than everyone else. like And you got penalized appropriately, but like, again, don't be, don't, you know, there's no need to cross the line.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, no need, sir.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, fuck. I just, and I just lost it. How did we not talk about Wallace to TT at all as a young player of the week?
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, oh yeah. But I mean, this week, unfortunately, it wasn't quite his week, but last week was last, like last weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not quite as good, but damn, he was good. Like, I still thought to TT played, played the best of the like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: who He played well. Like there's no question about that. Yeah, no, there's no question about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's problematic.
Jarrod Dyke: I i agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, anybody, anybody like us that's been watching super rugby noticed, noticed him a long time ago and now they're, the rest of the world's starting to notice.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Enjoy dealing with both him and Artie at once.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the one thing that New Zealand's devil guy going forward is those two at once is not fun. Not fun at all. Maybe they could have a fucking seven that knew what they were doing, but that's a different story for a different day, I suppose.
Jarrod Dyke: Dicks of the week. I have multiple.
Jarrod Dyke: We have to just name Welsh rugby in general. We know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah. All right. I went, I went too narrow on that one, but yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. um Yeah. No, you, you, you were in the right ballpark.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, you were there. Um, but for me, like what's working Townsend, like the, the directives from these.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: For these players is clear. Like we're just going to kick for points unless we score from ah like a far, far away.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, I mean, apart from the Gens tap and go, um, that turning himself crashed over, like that's all I saw in terms of like going for it really.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like maybe one other that I'm forgetting, which is a possibility of a, I'm now two, two in by the way. So yes, there's a possibility um I'm there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. im um
Jarrod Dyke: um But yeah, I'm just overall like really annoyed. Like this is what you're clearly telling your players to do. And it's like, ah you know, I get it into my kid's head.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, my, my captain, like, this is what we're doing. And most of the time they know I want to go to the headline or that I want to tap and go, you know, three when it's pragmatic. And I mean, really pragmatic.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, right. Like no, again, no sad field goals. It has to be like, uh, you know what, we'll take, we'll, we'll take this.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is a, you know, we're kind of stealing, we're cheating. We're getting away with something. Okay. you can Take for you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Like you get down there, you get a cheap penalty. It's right in front. Yep. All right. Three done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank you, we'll take the three and we'll get on with the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But like, some of case why these aren't that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: A whole lot of these aren't that. It's like, what the fuck are we doing here, guys? For real. i And i know town I believe more in Townsend than I do in Borthwick, I'll say that.
Jarrod Dyke: Townsend has got some good attacking instincts. He's obviously got one of, if not the best 10 in the world.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: um Does a lot of good that can come from the Scotland team. England have the same potential, but they just clearly choose to just say, yeah, let's go for posts and hope that, you know, field goals are enough.
Jarrod Dyke: It's like, come on, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's it's horrible, yeah, it's got to go. And yeah every time you like, that's the other problem is every time you think they're done with it, They have a game like that where it's like, yeah, we're just going to, you know, shell up a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, two weeks ago, two weeks ago, there was no attack that got them a try. It was a Marcus Smith intercept.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So yeah, this is, Suffice to say, it's a problem. And if England don't think it's a problem, then have fun getting knocked out of the next World Cup, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um so I think they were lucky to get as far as they did in France.
Grumpy Old Prop: You certainly were.
Jarrod Dyke: i If they continue with this mentality, despite the talent the talent that just basically pisses out of that country, and you decide to piss it all down the toilet.
Grumpy Old Prop: And, and that's the other thing is they're not picking their best 23. They're absolutely not.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's, there's three or four positions out there that that I could point to immediately and say, that's not their best guy, not even close to their best guy. And I don't think it's like even arguable at this point.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like Curry's not your best seven, a hundred percent.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Hey, hey, hey, you know you know what I want to do? When I need to change up off the bench, I want an exact replica of a dog shit player that I already have on the field.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, God, I saw that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, geez. And everyone's touting how good of a... Ben Curry's not any better ball carrier than Tom Curry.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: is I hate to tell you guys, they're the same player.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's He brings a dimension that, that, that Tom Curry doesn't have. I don't, what is that? Like, or no, or it's like literally it's the yeah like they're twins.
Jarrod Dyke: Really? Because they're the same guy. Literally.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wait.
Jarrod Dyke: You couldn't make it worse. ah So, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um, also.
Jarrod Dyke: Definitely more Borthwick, but definitely Townsend, too, a little bit this week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And also, but in general, the six, two and the seven, one, stop it.
Jarrod Dyke: For fuck's sake.
Grumpy Old Prop: Stop it.
Jarrod Dyke: For fuck's sake.
Grumpy Old Prop: But also, also use that to your advantage.
Jarrod Dyke: Knock it off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, don't go a six, two against the seven, one, go five, three and run hard on the outside, like make their backs work, make, make their centers and and wings tackle because they can't be replaced.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I make them gassed.
Grumpy Old Prop: You can't, you can only replace one person out there. And that's, you know, what they bring, they had a scrum half out there.
Jarrod Dyke: I was really waiting for someone to just have to go for an HIA or something for the spring box, and then it's like, you don't have another back.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: You don't have another back. You are you already have them on. Well, maybe not HIA, but something else, but the point being like, yeah, maybe just a bum um shoulder, a bum shoulder or something, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right Right my shoe comes untied whatever like yeah, yeah like there's yeah Well Charlie horse where you can't you just can't go on
Jarrod Dyke: there's a lot of situations where that goes sideways.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, but you'll be BRB right.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah, yeah, a cramp. That was the other thing I was thinking maybe a cramp.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's one of those were always the worst. Oh man, I can't go on. I'll be better next week. I know it. I'll be better in a day, but right now I can't do shit. And yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, you can't you are so just you're laying there. I'm like, please let this stretch out. Please let this fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: It's not stretching out and you just get up and you're like, I can't even walk.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Fuck this. And you know, yeah, you could have been Yeah, you could be better, but in this in that situation, you know, it's just like, yep, I can't even walk right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm going to be better in probably an hour, but we don't have an hour for me to get better.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So here we are.
Grumpy Old Prop: But they you risk that. And I mean, good, they won. So what what the fuck? But I think, you know, again, we they won against I don't think that was the best. Again, not the best tactics against them.
Grumpy Old Prop: So.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope. Nope. No, you got to, you got to match the the way because they went for tries at the very least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, I think they have one penalty.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow.
Jarrod Dyke: And that was it. So yeah, you know, they went for tries and that was the difference. So I think it's really clear when you have five scores on the board and all of them are kicks, you know, turn three of those into tries and then we can talk.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Then we can talk about how bad referee was and all that stuff.
Grumpy Old Prop: And the funny thing is you you turn, yeah, you turn three of them into, right. You turn three of those into tries. That's even if let's say you get the full seven, that's 12 points. You know, you're looking at 27 32 now it's, now it's close.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or maybe that, you know, you're scoring a try takes one of theirs off the board and now.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, and they got 32 right at the very end too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know.
Jarrod Dyke: town I think Townsend really spit that one. Really did. And I hope it doesn't reflect so poorly on Tui Pitholu too, because i I love him as a player. So, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, we're done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, we made it.
Jarrod Dyke: We got there. Anyway, cool. So, Don't forget your PWR picks. I'll try and get the sheet up date updated tomorrow. um i can only I can only give the stats and point count the stats that I'm given.
Grumpy Old Prop: he
Jarrod Dyke: Come on, PWR, please help us out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's do better, please.
Jarrod Dyke: um But yeah, so we'll get that out there and I'll get the the winners and losers from the first six rounds out as well. Other than that, we'll be back next week with more of this and enjoy the more interim autumn internationals.
Jarrod Dyke: Make sure you get your teams in and we'll catch you guys next week. Thanks for listening, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
