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Season 7- Episode 23- Dyke-Weiner (Premiership & Super Rugby Final Rounds)
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It's back-to-back weeks again! Maybe we'll make it three in a row next week. In any case, it's the latest bit of fun from those American rugby knuckleheads! On this episode, we are recapping the action from the final rounds in both the Prem and Super Rugby as we get set for post-season footie! We take an overall look at both and look ahead to the matchups this weekend. Yes, we go back and look at the action from Fort Quincy in the latest edition of the Coffee Cup too. All this, and the usual banter too. Kick back, grab a drink and join us!
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Transcript
Introduction and Personal Stories
00:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:34
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go. We got lots of...
00:00:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Two weeks in a row. We're bordering on a streak.
00:00:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. It's called a winning streak. Lou Brown. ah ah um Yeah. we're gonna We'll do our best here.
00:00:48
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:00:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So, hopefully won't be too disheveled after tomorrow.
00:00:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:00:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:00:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Just your nerves frazzled.
00:00:58
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Right now they're shot. like I fully expect to come out of tomorrow night drained.
00:01:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, jart Jared has himself a pretty... What, the state semis?
00:01:11
Jarrod Dyke
State semis, yeah.
00:01:13
Grumpy Old Prop
So no big no deal. And
00:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Semifinals are...
00:01:17
Grumpy Old Prop
they're playing it at my home field, so it's kind of fun. Although, I can't be there because I need to be home with a baby because the wife is playing now. um
00:01:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you said that.
00:01:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm glad that... So she always wanted to be the the player who you know had a baby and then comes back to play just a little bit, at least. And so she's doing that.
00:01:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:01:35
Grumpy Old Prop
So I got to got to support the team.
00:01:40
Jarrod Dyke
Everyone's got to pitch in on that team, you know?
00:01:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Hounds down to 13. Mm
00:01:46
Jarrod Dyke
Good. like my going um Make sure that you buy our good friend George the fancy rubber geek get a coffee or beer. Especially if you didn't give up a forfeit in your league, you're you're not going to
00:01:55
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:01:58
Jarrod Dyke
Um, as we stated before, that's funny. The dog house though, that is funny.
00:02:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that is hilarious.
00:02:02
Jarrod Dyke
I'll give them that. I'll give them that. That's pretty funny.
00:02:04
Grumpy Old Prop
womp.
00:02:05
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but yeah, buy, buy Georgia beer. You'll, you, you likely owe them at least one way or another.
00:02:13
Jarrod Dyke
There is no discrimination here in this podcast, no, should there be in sports or in life.
Societal Issues and Call for Action
00:02:17
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, Ben and I were talking about the other day and it's just like, I don't know when it ends.
00:02:26
Grumpy Old Prop
And this is like, so, okay, if you're in ah in a good mood and want to remain in a good mood, fast forward through this.
00:02:31
Jarrod Dyke
Fast forward to this. Yeah. Please.
00:02:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:02:34
Jarrod Dyke
Please.
00:02:35
Grumpy Old Prop
This is a microcosm of everything that's wrong with our, it's certainly our country. um And it just keeps getting worse. The more I've learned about this, the more it gets worse because there's more than just this one incident.
00:02:46
Grumpy Old Prop
So um my favorite ah comedy television comedy of all time is Parks and Rec. And um in it, there is a fantastic character,
00:03:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Chief Ken Hotate, who's who's the the local. And it so it's about a ah you know small town in Indianapolis, Indiana town, um which represents basically any small town in the U.S. s and And in it this ah place that this chief Ken Hotate who loves to use both the, they're the, the, the townspeople's racism and their just overall fear of native Americans, like curses and things like that against them.
00:03:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, quite accurately at that.
00:03:25
Grumpy Old Prop
He's hilarious. He's fucking hilarious. And he also, this, this guy, ah the the actor also um played John Redcorn and King of the Hill. um Another, you know, similar vein, but um animated and in Texas.
00:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
So he and his husband had been receiving for a long time, like threats from neighbors, from one particular neighbor.
00:03:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:03:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And um
00:03:50
Grumpy Old Prop
in the end, the neighbor ended up, well, they at least their house caught on fire. I can't really say that this was the neighbor who did it, but I mean, come on. So they got no help from police as you know, when that happened,
00:04:05
Grumpy Old Prop
was all going down. um it seems like there had been no help from police after that. ah They went back to their house over the weekend. This is, you know, either um last day of May, first, it could be a first day of June, could have been in the beginning of Pride Month.
00:04:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And um they go to the attack to get their mail because their mail is still being delivered to to that address, even though the house is burned down. um
00:04:29
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:04:30
Grumpy Old Prop
They find the remains of their dog. with its harness, like set up so that, you know presented basically they would see, they set up in a way that they would see it as they're like totally upset about that.
00:04:34
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:04:41
Jarrod Dyke
That's pretty fucked up. Of
00:04:46
Grumpy Old Prop
The neighbor, um, starts shouting homophobic slurs at them and then pulls a gun and opens fire.
00:04:47
Jarrod Dyke
course.
00:04:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:04:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um Jonathan Joss shoves his husband out of the way, takes the bullets himself and and dies on the scene. um
00:05:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Not only that, but now, so this happened over the weekend and yesterday on on Tuesday, um,
00:05:12
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:16
Grumpy Old Prop
he was released on $200,000 bond. So this guy makes home, ah you know, makes threats, carries out the threats as in the in the form of burning down the house and then shoots and kills one of them. And, and the police are still like, yeah, the there are legal systems yeah, whatever, no big deal.
00:05:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um Meanwhile, look at the treatment that like say Luigi Mangione got, um, um
00:05:39
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:05:40
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, the the huge perp walk with the fucking mayor of New York leading the charge and and, you know, being charged. We're talking about being charged with terrorism. Meanwhile, this is actual, you know. Homophobic terrorism, these they were killed just for being gay because there was no other reason.
00:05:54
Jarrod Dyke
It's a heat crime.
00:05:55
Grumpy Old Prop
This these guy's a great guy. Everyone who knows him loves him.
00:06:00
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's also a celebrity.
00:06:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:06:05
Grumpy Old Prop
And yet this is what happens, you know? So we got bigotry. We got police being fuck all doing nothing. And we got guns.
00:06:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yay. This is what happens. We're like, what the fuck?
00:06:19
Jarrod Dyke
It's American in a nutshell right there.
00:06:19
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no need for any of this. Just let people live their lives.
00:06:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.
00:06:28
Jarrod Dyke
I can't imagine what someone like him is doing to someone else ah really actually about that really actually impacts them.
00:06:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Like,
00:06:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And I'm just, I, it, it, it really upsets me like that. That was his last moments was going to his home with his husband that was burned down, seeing their dog dead, like their dead dogs remains like the the ultimate grief and horror.
00:06:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And then being like, then that, you know, you get shot and your husband comforts you as you take your last breath. Like what a terrible end for someone who absolutely did not deserve that.
00:07:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:07:06
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:07:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so we just like, we need, we need some more love in this world.
00:07:08
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:07:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Not, not that, not that at all.
00:07:16
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely not that. Definitely not that. No, no. Yeah. Just. um i'm out of I'm out of words at this point, sadly.
00:07:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I, I, I, but this, you know, obviously I, I, I hate saying all of this, but that's what happens. And we need to confront the country in which we live in the world in which we live and, and try to make it better and not worse.
00:07:37
Grumpy Old Prop
So, you know, any like looking the other way is encouragement for these people.
00:07:38
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:07:43
Grumpy Old Prop
So don't encourage them. Don't look the other way. And the funny, the fucked up thing is like, this was, there was, there's any number of things from the ice are arrests and and protests that are going on here.
00:07:55
Grumpy Old Prop
to Moana being turned into like could complete colonialist propaganda. Um, we had, we had, we had a fucking thick, you know any number of choices here.
00:08:08
Grumpy Old Prop
and Obviously this one is, is the far worst of, of the lot, but, um, yeah, somebody help us please.
00:08:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:08:18
Jarrod Dyke
Please.
00:08:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause I don't know that the answers kind of come from within the country, certainly not with our, within the, the, Appropriate means.
00:08:26
Jarrod Dyke
No, definitely not from our government.
00:08:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Ideally.
Rugby Game Highlights and Analysis
00:08:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:08:34
Jarrod Dyke
All right.
00:08:37
Jarrod Dyke
Sadly, we need we do need you more.
00:08:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, and the fucking doctor regenerated. It was awful. Awful week.
00:08:42
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
00:08:44
Grumpy Old Prop
that just but Sorry. Not to make light of it, but...
00:08:47
Jarrod Dyke
There you go. Yeah.
00:08:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Gotta bring some sort of levity back as we transition into...
00:08:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:08:52
Grumpy Old Prop
As we regenerate into the... The rugby pod.
00:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Get back into it. um If you want to buy our Patreon, we love you. If not, it's okay.
00:09:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we still love you.
00:09:04
Jarrod Dyke
We'll move on from that.
00:09:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:06
Jarrod Dyke
we We love you as well, but still.
00:09:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Just a little less. Mm
00:09:11
Jarrod Dyke
ah Let's see. So, let's do... Let's just do the prim-final round. and I don't see a reason to run game by game necessarily.
00:09:21
Jarrod Dyke
yeah The three biggest ones were obviously the ones that made the difference and did not shake up the league at all.
00:09:21
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
No, everything kind of ended the way we, and it but we kind of went the way we expected. um Although, I got to say, Exeter and Sale was a lot more of a fight than it should have been.
00:09:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, certainly they need to be.
00:09:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Although, I mean, it not so much, but at the same time, there was still a chance. So, at the end, you know, with with about two minutes left, it still could have been a thing, um but it wasn't.
00:10:00
Jarrod Dyke
not No, they, I mean, yeah, they would have had to score two in the last five, think.
00:10:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, they scored one on the last five.
00:10:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that sounds right. Right, but they needed two.
00:10:10
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:10:12
Jarrod Dyke
When your typical mode of attack is not conducive to that, it's going to be hard.
00:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And, and yeah, well, yeah, it's Exeter. So yeah, right.
00:10:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Even with Warren in the, um in the bin, it still was going to be a tough ask.
00:10:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:10:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause I mean, it's Gus war. It's not like he's helping out all that much in defense.
00:10:32
Jarrod Dyke
No, and I would say not. um Yeah, I mean, just in overall,
00:10:41
Jarrod Dyke
I look at it and, know, things in terms of how the table finished, not the league finished, just the table, um certainly shocking in some ways.
00:10:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:53
Jarrod Dyke
Newcastle's not.
00:10:56
Jarrod Dyke
Like Saints and Quinns tumbling as much as they did. That was kind of a, ooh.
00:11:02
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:11:02
Jarrod Dyke
was a bit of an eye opener.
00:11:05
Jarrod Dyke
And then, yeah, I mean, the Michael Cheka effect getting Lester up to the top two there. So that's fun to see in terms of that.
00:11:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Which it's Cheka and, you know, in combination with Adam Radwein too. Like the the two of them, you know, were provided, Radwein provided a massive spark to that team too.
00:11:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that helped.
00:11:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Otherwise they were kind of middling um even with Cheka. And then he brought brings that to mention. I mean, look, if you listen to the show for a while, you know, we love Josh Bassett, but we also recognize him for what he is.
00:11:39
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Just a guy at this point.
00:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, right.
00:11:40
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, almost just a guy. Let's put that way.
00:11:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um And then who will who else did they have out there? Who's the the the scrum half who they keep putting it get kept putting out there at wing who is just.
00:11:49
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. i can't remember his name off the top my head.
00:11:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um
00:11:52
Jarrod Dyke
Simmons? Is that him?
00:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Just not not not that not what they needed from there. But hey, Adam Radwin. Yes. And then that, you know, him and and Ali Hassel Collins just. made each other. That's ah just a great partnership of two guys who are obviously better than Jags, much better than Jags.
00:12:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:12:10
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:12:11
Grumpy Old Prop
But when you put them together, they become greater than the sum of their parts. And they certainly did that at Leicester. So they're going to be a tough out.
00:12:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:12:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think it ah it really comes down to, for them, ah couple guys. um Pollard.
00:12:32
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:12:32
Jarrod Dyke
And just the number eight shirt in general. I assume that's going cracked going forward. Like...
00:12:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I think so.
00:12:39
Jarrod Dyke
Can he get above average, or is he going to be average? Average Kraken will not do it for them. They're going to need him a above average for sure. I think the for the large majority, their pack one through seven is really, really good.
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Liebenberg too.
00:12:55
Jarrod Dyke
And then...
00:12:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't want to discount his his impact, which has been massive. this he's been He's taken a ah massive step forward, and i think it's because there's been more space. Suddenly, his style isn't great when when he's you know completely enclosed, but but he's been seeing a lot more space because they've been getting a lot of front football, and he's been massive.
00:13:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. So I think those two and then ken and then really the third person, i know I said two, but the third, can they keep Kata out of the bin and away from get, yeah, that's, well, that's no, I, I, that's what I mean, but you know, yeah.
00:13:29
Grumpy Old Prop
looking kind of keep himself out of the bin there's not that much they can do other than tell them dude fucking stop yeah
00:13:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Yeah. He'll do his team a lot of favors if he can just stay on the field and not get, sat down for 10 to, you know, 40 minutes at a time.
00:13:50
Grumpy Old Prop
right not helpful right
00:13:52
Jarrod Dyke
So that'll, that'll depend. Um, so yeah, that, that's how sale finished. Um,
00:14:02
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, gloss, ah guilt you know, as we alluded to about five times at this point, and if you haven't listened to any of our recent episodes, Gloucester surprised me. I, you know, I totally thought Skibs was going to be in deep shit and here they are pushing for a top four. They didn't get there.
00:14:18
Jarrod Dyke
but yeah, that, that was a, that was big. That was big for them.
00:14:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It was, it was, yeah.
00:14:23
Jarrod Dyke
So I'm
00:14:23
Grumpy Old Prop
that And they played really well down the stretch. They've got a lot of, there's a lot of good things happening there.
00:14:29
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, totally.
00:14:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And this is without, could you imagine if, um, Zach Mercer, like, don't know, showed up a little bit.
00:14:37
Jarrod Dyke
Tried. Yeah.
00:14:40
Grumpy Old Prop
just a, just even just a little bit, what, like where they would be.
00:14:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Mm
00:14:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:14:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Because they've got so much like that lock stable is, you know, that's the stable of giraffes is, is um is amazing.
00:14:52
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:14:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um They're just missing one more like serious threat in that pack, like serious threat. And and if he would have been that um they're probably top four.
00:15:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think.
00:15:10
Grumpy Old Prop
If not hosting a ah ah semi.
00:15:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i yeah, I think they're think their front row needs a little bit more dynamism as well. There's not as much as I appreciate the work that that that that group does.
00:15:25
Jarrod Dyke
We love a JFR around here.
00:15:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we do.
00:15:27
Jarrod Dyke
um But the like asking for them to do anything dynamic is really a lot. And it's a big ask for that group bar.
00:15:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:39
Jarrod Dyke
and Blake in singles, mostly singles. Yep.
00:15:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but their value has mostly been like the Tom Dunn maul over tries more than the the play in the loose that they've they've been doing in previous years.
00:15:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:15:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um But I'm going to go again to that. um for the c To me, it's the same reason with Liebenberg is like they're just not getting the space. So, okay, that's all they can do is is really be effective in the maul.
00:16:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. maybe if they had that Mercer character running wild in the loose on top of the wings that they've got, um, or at least the back three. Um, yeah, maybe that could have been more of a thing, but, or maybe it's because they've got Christian Wade who's scoring from fucking everywhere on the field.
00:16:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, that that's just eaten away at those like, you know, secondary tries. Cause it used to be, you know, when, when they had, um, Thorley and, um, Fuck, i'm I'm losing the other guy.
00:16:34
Jarrod Dyke
Reese Samet.
00:16:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry?
00:16:36
Jarrod Dyke
Reese Samet.
00:16:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Sharples.
00:16:38
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, also him.
00:16:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, and Zamet was scoring from anywhere, but like guys who who, like, you know, that the other wing who maybe wouldn't wouldn't be as dynamic um in terms of, like, finishing from from distance, but, like, would get you a little ways, and then you have the singles or the, and you know, the Seblakes and the other um lot of the other hookers that they've had just finishing it because it's like, oh, good, we got the front foot, and I'm going to attack defense that's offside.
00:16:47
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:16:51
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, yeah. Okay.
00:17:03
Grumpy Old Prop
and um run through them for a score from like 20 meters out.
00:17:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:17:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That looks really cool. But now when you have Christian Wade be like, yeah, I'm just not going to get tackled there.
00:17:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:17:12
Grumpy Old Prop
um And the Holloway, same thing. And obviously the Carreras, like if if they make it that far, they're, you know, they have a little bit more more speed than Sharples and Thorley really ever did. So it's that extra dynamic dynamic um action that they have from the wing. I think that's that's holding the the hookers back.
00:17:35
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, Pat Lamb setting up a big one for for he and Bath.
00:17:45
Jarrod Dyke
Just, yeah, that's all right.
00:17:45
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's already talking shit.
00:17:47
Grumpy Old Prop
he's already He's already annoyed about the that the ticket prices.
00:17:48
Jarrod Dyke
The games have begun.
00:17:50
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like, they're pricing us out.
00:17:54
Jarrod Dyke
The games have begun.
00:17:55
Grumpy Old Prop
So, let the games begin.
00:17:58
Jarrod Dyke
ah So, I mean, listen, people are, were i will say, you and I were both on that. on that train of thinking that Bristol weren't going to find a way to get it over the line for this top four spot.
00:18:10
Jarrod Dyke
And they did. So give them credit where it it, where it's due.
00:18:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Absolutely. And it's hard. It's they're a dangerous team. Does anybody really want to play Bristol in the in in the um in the postseason? And really, the the only the shit of it is the the one team that's like, yeah, we'll take them is the one team that they're playing.
00:18:29
Jarrod Dyke
Right, right. But, you know, this is definitely a team anything can happen when you play them.
00:18:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Kind of sucks that it came out that way.
00:18:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:18:37
Jarrod Dyke
So, you know, that you may you may get 50 and they may get 50. They may get 50, you may get 20, you know, and vice versa.
00:18:41
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:18:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:18:45
Jarrod Dyke
So all all all are on the table, I would say.
00:18:49
Jarrod Dyke
So it'll be very interesting to see how that goes.
00:18:49
Grumpy Old Prop
They are. Yep.
00:18:52
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:18:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and then, you know, I think we can... tip of the cap to a few guys that are going to be on their, on their way to the promised land of retirement. Um, know, we talked about, we we talked about Lester and Ben Young's, um, care care had surgery, so he didn't even play last week.
00:19:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:19:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:15
Jarrod Dyke
He, so he called he that, that one, that that's one song that the stoop was his last one. So, um, that's potential.
00:19:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Which, oh, I think that was like a plan. I think they were like, okay, well, I mean, obviously, you know, having Porter start and in Jersey 21.
00:19:24
Jarrod Dyke
I done. Yeah.
00:19:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, I think that's kind of said it all. This is, this is cares last game. Like why would, why play in a meaningless away match at that point? Um, like, yeah, have your surgery be done.
00:19:36
Jarrod Dyke
o
00:19:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, Yeah, and also make sure that you're you're having that surgery while you're still technically an active player. You haven't you haven't actually retired yet. You just informed the club you're retiring. So you know get that get you know get that that extra coverage just to make sure.
00:19:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, just a little bit. i sure and Make sure nobody needs to go penniless here.
00:19:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:20:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. um Not that that would happen because they've got great, you know at least a much better healthcare care system than we do, but still it's getting that extra care that the team will provide, I think, as as you're still an employee and whatnot. Yeah.
00:20:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
Player Contributions and Retirements
00:20:13
Grumpy Old Prop
still technically a professional athlete and then the onions so many onions with with Goody um
00:20:15
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:20:22
Jarrod Dyke
Alex Good. Oh, man. Yeah. ah you know like I was talking about the other week.
00:20:29
Grumpy Old Prop
seven 17 years
00:20:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I mean, for almost as long as I've been involved with rugby, he's been with Saracens.
00:20:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's...
00:20:42
Jarrod Dyke
That is wild to think about.
00:20:45
Jarrod Dyke
The guy is... The guy is just...
00:20:45
Grumpy Old Prop
It really is.
00:20:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And he's been classed the whole time.
00:20:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and he's just...
00:20:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, maybe he's not, like...
00:20:52
Jarrod Dyke
He's a good person. And, like, you know... I mean, who's going to forget Newcastle? Like, who is going to forget Newcastle?
00:21:00
Jarrod Dyke
The legendary bum bag walk around?
00:21:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Bum bagging it. is
00:21:02
Jarrod Dyke
Like, come on, man.
00:21:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Just, yeah.
00:21:03
Jarrod Dyke
Like, that is just epicness of another proportion.
00:21:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:06
Jarrod Dyke
Like... Yeah, that is... Absolutely wildness. And I, yeah, I don't know what the club looks like without him in terms of putting on that, you know, one of those shirts, but yeah, I mean, the club was better with him and it's going to be a hard, he's goingnna be a hard act to follow.
00:21:12
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:21:26
Jarrod Dyke
So, um, yeah, often to the sunset he goes.
00:21:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. and And he's so versatile. like he He could do so much for the class. And not just versatile. I mean, he was he really was a fifty pure 15. He could play a little 10, but...
00:21:39
Grumpy Old Prop
um, 15 through, but he could just do everything.
00:21:39
Jarrod Dyke
15 through and through.
00:21:42
Grumpy Old Prop
He could line up in the centers at 15. Like he, he could work within wherever he needed to fill in, not just doing the 15 work. Um, you know, it could be a great second receiver and just like tear through a defense and then set up others like, you know, school where they were scoring where there is, who's, uh, um, setting it up, like, look like effortless gliding out there.
00:22:05
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:22:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, just so much fun to watch.
00:22:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, all the way through the end. And it's, it's like one of those, like, he could probably play next year if he really wanted to, um, and still be really effective, but it's like, dude's earned his rest.
00:22:18
Jarrod Dyke
Best sir, best serve to not sometimes, you know.
00:22:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. Like, don't play till you suck. um You know, some of the other guys we've been talking about. ah um
00:22:27
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:22:27
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, it's yeah, going out while you're still at your peak. And then Saris, you know, they we thought they would finish sixth around there just out there, you know, just outside the top four.
00:22:36
Jarrod Dyke
Just outside top four somewhere, yeah.
00:22:38
Grumpy Old Prop
They finished two points outside top four.
00:22:39
Jarrod Dyke
Wanted better, but, you know.
00:22:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, you know, don't shit the bed at Newcastle next year.
00:22:44
Jarrod Dyke
And that's what i we were talking about before. Like, yeah, don't lose at Newcastle. Don't lose twice to Quinn's you're in business. That's just how that's that's where that's really one of those two matches.
00:22:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But yeah.
00:22:56
Jarrod Dyke
Really, you can look at and say that's where the season was lost. And, yeah know, while it's annoying to look at the Saints game, you can just look way before that and just say, yeah, OK.
00:23:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's just an like you said, that's just an annoyance. Like it it is what it is. Like you can, you lose those games sometimes, especially when you're away.
00:23:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It happens. Um,
00:23:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but don't lose to the bottom team and don't lose your your big game to your your derby rivals.
00:23:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:23:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Your rival.
00:23:27
Jarrod Dyke
It just doesn't work well.
00:23:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:23:31
Jarrod Dyke
So here we are, top four. I'm in Bathroom Lane Friday.
00:23:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, they are.
00:23:38
Jarrod Dyke
Oddly enough.
00:23:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. All right. Whatever. We'll see. I may have something to do Friday. I may not. Depends on how tomorrow goes.
00:23:48
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:23:52
Jarrod Dyke
Depends entirely on Tyler and how tomorrow goes. um Anywho. Let's go Super Rugby. And yeah. Kind of what we thought would happen.
00:24:04
Jarrod Dyke
For the most part.
00:24:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Same thing, right? Like not, not many surprises and you know, not, there's really only one close game
00:24:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:24:14
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:24:15
Grumpy Old Prop
this week. And, and it was kind of the one you'd expect. Um,
00:24:21
Jarrod Dyke
Two of the top four teams, or top three teams.
00:24:23
Grumpy Old Prop
right.
00:24:24
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah. And then, yeah, Blues at home against the Taz, boof.
00:24:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that...
00:24:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yikes. Yikes, dude, yikes.
00:24:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Not a good way. Although, you know, they that they kind of quit, obviously.
00:24:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well, and there's...
00:24:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Really, there's the shocker...
Super Rugby Season Critiques
00:24:40
Grumpy Old Prop
The the shocker is Mona Pacifica giving up, like, what, 130 points? Over 140 points almost between two matches.
00:24:47
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:24:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And scoring 19 to end their season when they had... You know, they they ended five points out of the playoffs.
00:24:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Like. yeah
00:25:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:25:03
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:25:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, for them to just... They just fumbled it, really. It's just like...
00:25:11
Jarrod Dyke
It's really disappointing. And, i you know, I had a lot of hope for them after the way they started and the way they played against the Blues.
00:25:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:25:17
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah, to go to the Chiefs and the Canes and just to spit it completely is...
00:25:19
Grumpy Old Prop
But. Yeah, that's just a brutal, brutal way to end the season.
00:25:22
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:25:25
Jarrod Dyke
who Yeah, I mean, tough tough in terms of schedule, but really, like, you know it's coming.
00:25:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:33
Jarrod Dyke
So you gotta rock up. there' There's nothing else you can do.
00:25:36
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not not happening. Yeah.
00:25:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, then all of a sudden you say, oh, no never mind, we don't want this to be your schedule.
00:25:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. We're change the schedule just to, you know, but you guys are you guys are looking like you're going to win some games.
00:25:43
Jarrod Dyke
Like, it doesn't work that way.
00:25:49
Grumpy Old Prop
All right. We'll change that schedule for you. No.
00:25:52
Jarrod Dyke
It's not how she works, guys.
00:25:54
Grumpy Old Prop
and Doesn't work that way.
00:25:56
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:25:58
Jarrod Dyke
So yeah.
00:26:02
Grumpy Old Prop
And also, so now we got we we have to mention it going into this because this is such a weird competition.
00:26:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And like, so Jared and I are texting today, like, okay, so what happens now with these the top six teams, like in a quarterfinal?
00:26:17
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:26:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, how does that work? So yeah, so one team is going to lose and and continue to the to the semis. and And the Chiefs are already guaranteed they that this game doesn't matter. If they win or if they lose, they're still going through.
00:26:31
Grumpy Old Prop
because they're the top seed. Like, that's wild.
00:26:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that seems...
00:26:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, why not give them a bye then and let another team in? um You know, if you're going to do it that way.
00:26:49
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, kind of, it would be like the NFL does it, which is weird.
00:26:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, could have been better in that in that kid and that case.
00:26:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:26:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, I'm with you on that one.
00:26:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Because like, you know, if I'm, if I'm coaching the Chiefs, I might just say, you know what? we'll put our second side out there for this match, give ourselves a break, mid, you know, late season. Send our second side out there, have them, you know, whatever happens, happens. And if, you know, that... Blues aren't, like, they're beat, they're gettable with a second side.
00:27:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, whatever. Even if we lose, we're going on.
00:27:23
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:27:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's just...
00:27:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:27:29
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah, i don't quite...
00:27:31
Jarrod Dyke
I'm... Yeah, um I'm all for something different, but sometimes... If it sounds silly on paper, you probably need to reconsider it.
00:27:38
Jarrod Dyke
I think this one probably should have been in whatever meeting this was decided on On paper, it should have been like, it sounds kind of dumb, guys. Like, maybe we go back and reorganize this one.
00:27:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I don't know. i' ah um um'm I'm at a loss for this one.
00:28:02
Grumpy Old Prop
But um ultimately, Chiefs, as as the top of the table, I think that's entirely due to Damian McKenzie. and And again, if you've been listening to the pod, you've heard me say over and over again, he's not a 10.
00:28:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:28:15
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:28:16
Grumpy Old Prop
He's been playing like a 10 this year. I got to say. It started out didn't start out that way, but he's moved into that role and really settled in to the point where it's like, okay, I don't mind it. like I mean, especially with the rest of the backs. like I think it's it's ah it's been more of a, okay, I can trust my...
00:28:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Sanders in back three and I don't have to be the guy to do everything. um And that's really what settled him in.
00:28:42
Grumpy Old Prop
So
00:28:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um yeah, that's, you know, if that happened, obviously that, you know, they're going to be one of the best teams in the comp. So they ended up being the best team. um Crusaders I thought was just shocked though at two did not see that coming.
00:28:54
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah.
00:28:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I mean, and really, if you think about it, ah i would you look at their 10 shirt, and if we're honest, their best 10 has been coming off the bench most the game, most of the season, rather, excuse me.
00:29:13
Grumpy Old Prop
yep
00:29:18
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I mean and then they're they' know they're not even being hurt for a good portion of the year um they've overcome oh he's been good too where is it huh
00:29:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Hotham. Although, what was the kid's name the other kid's name that came in and played pretty well for a little while? Another young guy. then there's Mitchell Drummond.
00:29:37
Jarrod Dyke
He's a guy. He happened.
00:29:40
Jarrod Dyke
He played somewhere in there.
00:29:40
Grumpy Old Prop
and i'm here too it's like the i'm doing my part i'm doing my part i didn't do fucking shit
00:29:48
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:29:52
Jarrod Dyke
yeah that one's him.
00:29:54
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah preston preston's the guy youre talking about coming off the bench um yeah yeah hot him and and yeah
00:29:55
Jarrod Dyke
That one's him.
00:29:59
Jarrod Dyke
That's the winner. Thank you.
00:30:04
Jarrod Dyke
and we win. Ooh. um About an hour ago, I think. Am I seeing this right? Amu has been ruled out for the Hurricanes.
00:30:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh.
00:30:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Originally named, but ruled out. So I'm guessing Tuputupu starts. Or maybe they liked every lot. So maybe... Maybe they move him into the starting role and and let Tupu Tupu go from where he was going to.
00:30:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I do like that. I would prefer that lineup myself. Were i a Hurricanes fan?
00:30:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um I mean, and then good news is they have the two outside backs that they've been missing last couple rounds.
00:30:45
Jarrod Dyke
Harkin and Punivai are both, it looks like they're both healthy again, so that's good.
00:30:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Sweet.
00:30:51
Jarrod Dyke
So, sign me up.
00:30:55
Jarrod Dyke
Good old times. Yeah, so buckling buckle up. and but yeah I feel like Hurricanes and Brumbies last, isn't it?
00:31:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:31:07
Jarrod Dyke
I feel like you should do that first if you're going to do it this way. I'm just saying. I feel like that should be the first game of the weekend.
00:31:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it it kind of kind of lends itself to buttfuckery. Because like if the Crusaders and Chiefs both win, the game literally doesn't matter.
00:31:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, like it'll be really it's going to be the two of them playing to see you who gets to play the Crusaders and who gets to play the Chiefs. And in terms of like if I have someone on the field, well, you don't necessarily want either, but yeah obviously there's one over the other.
00:31:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Do you really want either?
00:31:42
Jarrod Dyke
um And really, like if I have someone on the field and we were talking about with the Saints game the other week when they're playing Saracen, it's the same idea. You have someone on the field. right, let them play. If they can get through unscathed, great. If they pick up something small, you're in that case, you're probably almost automatically going, he's off.
00:31:59
Jarrod Dyke
i don't want I don't want him out there. we don't need him to finish this game. So we're going to say no. Bryce Campbell's having words.
00:32:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Bryce Campbell is giving it to a referee.
00:32:09
Jarrod Dyke
i can't I don't have my sound on, so I don't know what he's saying, but he is not happy.
00:32:10
Grumpy Old Prop
he's He's... I don't know what he's saying. you i don't have it. I don't have it on either, but he's upset because Ali Devoto just got yellow carded because Ali Devoto had a massively high tackle.
00:32:19
Jarrod Dyke
played for extra that's why
00:32:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And Bryce is not happy about that. But shut up, Bryce. That's your third yellow card. and You've earned all of them. Your team is not that...
00:32:28
Jarrod Dyke
yeah he's damn what they're damn lucky they're still in front if we're honest yeah i've seen some of them i'm like what are you doing
00:32:30
Grumpy Old Prop
is not be playing this one They really are. It's honestly because because Houston has made some really fucking boneheaded decisions and and executions. like They kicked two or three back through the back of the in area.
00:32:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right. Anyway.
00:32:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, saw the first two of those.
00:32:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right.
00:32:46
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, ah that's not a good decision. Or execution, for that matter.
00:32:49
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:32:50
Jarrod Dyke
um Anyway.
00:32:51
Grumpy Old Prop
right anyway
00:32:52
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, it's it I feel like they screwed the Super Rugby scheduler screwed this up with Grumbies Hurricanes being last.
00:32:58
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:32:59
Jarrod Dyke
Like, play that one first, and then you can play the you know play that Friday, then can play the other two Saturday, and at least the first one's going to be competitive.
00:33:00
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:33:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm
00:33:10
Jarrod Dyke
Like, guaranteed. Like, these two teams are going to go at it because they don't know
00:33:12
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:33:15
Jarrod Dyke
what's on the cards for them otherwise.
00:33:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:33:19
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah. No, and no, no. Pass. Yeah, that's high. That's bad from Devoto. He's probably...
00:33:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:33:26
Jarrod Dyke
I think it was nasty, but i think it was bad, just the same.
00:33:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. That's why I was a yellow because I could if it was like nasty, it would have been a red.
00:33:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, if he had gone full bore into that tackle, that's definitely a red. But he didn't he didn't.
00:33:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And the refs already pissed off.
00:33:37
Jarrod Dyke
He kind of pulled up on it.
00:33:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, and they're taking, oh, oh, they took it down. Okay. And not over yet, but fixing to be, there it is in the corner.
00:33:47
Jarrod Dyke
Wait for it. Big money, big money, no whammies, no whammies, and stop.
00:33:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Tie game. Sorry. So we are, we are, you know, live potting the, uh, hounds, the midweek hounds versus Houston Sabercats match.
00:34:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, if Chicago does end up losing this, then the free Jacks are automatically through, uh, the number one seed. So, right.
00:34:11
Jarrod Dyke
as As a number one. Yep.
00:34:13
Grumpy Old Prop
But if the hounds win, then the free Jacks have to win.
00:34:13
Jarrod Dyke
They're already guaranteed a home playoff game, but yeah. Yep, yep.
00:34:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:34:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:34:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Speaking which I gotta to buy my free Jacks ticket, the playoffs.
00:34:18
Jarrod Dyke
that
00:34:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you got to wonder ryan martin if Ryan Martin's watching this and going and wondering about his lineup should this get shaken up a little bit here.
00:34:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Like, oh suddenly some of my guys are injured. ah
00:34:34
Jarrod Dyke
but yeah Right?
00:34:35
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:34:36
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah, because he hasn't named him a team yet, so he's got time.
00:34:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, that's true.
00:34:40
Jarrod Dyke
They don't play until Saturday.
00:34:44
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Yeah, speak of the Free Jacks. Got back to winning ways at... um
00:34:52
Jarrod Dyke
And Quincy on Saturday, which was nice.
00:34:53
Grumpy Old Prop
looking good doing it. looking real Looking sharp.
00:34:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah, had a struggle of a start, to say the least.
00:34:57
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, not... Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:00
Jarrod Dyke
But found their stride eventually, and, and you know, Seattle had hard time keeping up after that.
00:35:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, once they started, was Mm-hmm.
00:35:07
Jarrod Dyke
I...
00:35:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um it was it was on
00:35:13
Jarrod Dyke
ah I still don't see...
Team Performances and Decisions
00:35:17
Jarrod Dyke
what folks see about jp smith like i was overly unimpressed with him playing nine for seattle and i thought both cam and oscar were better than him i thought even at points um his sub had better moments than he did so i i don't get the whole i number one i don't get why we capped him for the united states that doesn't make any sense to me but also like what were we doing like
00:35:30
Grumpy Old Prop
hey
00:35:39
Grumpy Old Prop
e
00:35:42
Jarrod Dyke
what what What movie are we watching where this is all of a sudden like the supposed to be the standard? I missed that one, I guess.
00:35:50
Jarrod Dyke
But no. Pass. Pass, pass. I'd much rather have, you know, basically any of the Knights.
00:35:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Oscar Lennon, who is U.S. qualified now, or a has been.
00:36:01
Jarrod Dyke
He's played for them, so that's the good news.
00:36:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um Okay. Well, yeah, but
00:36:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, 98% sure he's played for them. But yeah, no, I'd rather have him than J.B. Smith.
00:36:10
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:36:11
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, thank you. Pass. The word is pass.
00:36:17
Grumpy Old Prop
and see like that you know We were talking about before we hit the record button, but weak year from the from the West this year. so I really think it's it's going to be the the you know ah again, not to ah to minimize DC.
00:36:26
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:36:35
Grumpy Old Prop
um They have a puncher's chance. as they say, but I think it's, yeah.
00:36:40
Jarrod Dyke
And they got us twice, so...
00:36:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah.
00:36:46
Grumpy Old Prop
There's extenuating circumstances around those, but still.
00:36:47
Jarrod Dyke
we did We did not play well in either one of those games. I will i think we can all fully admit that as well.
00:36:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And I think the, I thought the away trip, I thought that was like a, I thought it was like a second lineup in a way. Like they didn't really send their best, their A team down, the free Jacks and they didn't play their best.
00:36:59
Jarrod Dyke
We definitely didn't play their best.
00:37:02
Grumpy Old Prop
And then at home it was, think was that the unsell me match the last unsell me match um so
00:37:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um No, it was the it was last week. It was the not last week, two weeks ago. was The Georgian guy.
00:37:15
Jarrod Dyke
I hadn't seen him before.
00:37:15
Grumpy Old Prop
oh yeah yeah he was kind of butt um but yeah they didn't they also didn't play well yeah
00:37:21
Jarrod Dyke
Lex Weiner doesn't know what the fuck he's doing either.
00:37:26
Jarrod Dyke
your Your name's Weiner. And they say mine's stupid.
00:37:29
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:37:29
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:37:33
Jarrod Dyke
I can say that. Thank you very much.
00:37:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Although it would be funny if you got, you know, gay married and then you became the dyke wieners. And I'm still 12.
00:37:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:37:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:37:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yes, it would be. I can't not admit that.
00:37:51
Grumpy Old Prop
ah ah
00:37:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, it absolutely would be.
00:37:56
Grumpy Old Prop
and i'm still twelve
00:37:57
Jarrod Dyke
yeah ah Please, I'm fucking still five at five at heart. Let's be honest about this. so ah That's funny. Oh, shit. um Anyway.
00:38:10
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:38:10
Grumpy Old Prop
What?
00:38:11
Jarrod Dyke
We, so ended up not being able to make the match and Kathleen and I went with Lachlan and our BFF that sits next to you was telling me that Banshees, for some reason, were not kicking for goal after tries on Saturday.
00:38:31
Grumpy Old Prop
but
00:38:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i don't I don't remember. I didn't quite catch it all, but that's the gist I got from it and I have questions. Like many of them.
00:38:42
Grumpy Old Prop
I, I, I, yeah, whatever. It's a new league. They aren't, I don't think like they've got the right coach yet.
00:38:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah, let's put it that way.
00:38:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:38:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they, you know, they, and yeah, that's just a big stumble for them too right there.
00:38:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I'll be done with that.
00:39:03
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you once,
00:39:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Because they kicked pretty well the the the match I went against um against the Exiles. like They hit most of their conversions from from tough angles. So maybe and maybe their kicker was injured. I don't i don't know.
00:39:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:39:17
Jarrod Dyke
Well, I saw, I also, go ahead.
00:39:17
Grumpy Old Prop
But at the same time, have someone else...
00:39:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Have someone else go. Have a go.
00:39:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. No, totally. I and agree. Like if you're, if your fifth place fifth choice kicker is when you got, that's what you do. Like, yeah, I don't know.
00:39:33
Jarrod Dyke
I have a hard time believing that.
00:39:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Here's here's the thing.
00:39:35
Grumpy Old Prop
for, for any team out there. and And maybe it's not true for this. I don't know. But if you have, if you really are are out of options and your backs just don't feel like they're up to it, fucking send the prop out there.
00:39:48
Grumpy Old Prop
They will surprise you.
00:39:49
Jarrod Dyke
Someone's going to want to Someone's going to want to kick. someone's gonna want to check
00:39:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I, my, uh, one time I was, um, what was it? It was a B side, but like we had a, um, kind of an egotistical 10 who, uh,
00:40:04
Grumpy Old Prop
didn't want his perfect kicking record on the season being, being blemished on a, on a try in the corner. And so i was like, all right, Ben, you know, like you've always said it here, you, you take this one. And I fucking nailed it.
00:40:15
Grumpy Old Prop
So um yeah, give it, give it to a prop and and challenge him like that or her and ill let it rip.
00:40:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Give it someone with a fucking donkey leg.
00:40:27
Jarrod Dyke
They'll oblige.
00:40:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause props have donkey legs.
00:40:31
Jarrod Dyke
wait It won't be the prettiest one.
00:40:32
Grumpy Old Prop
We might not be accurate all the time, but when it's accurate, it's going through. yeah
00:40:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, so yeah, and with the top two being the team the two that get through, i'd say it's going to be Onyx and Breakers that are going to see the final here for them.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Likely. again Onyx are an unfair roster, but the league did not...
00:40:56
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:40:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they... yeah they they They stacked that one team. I know the league doesn't have much influence over it, but... um
00:41:06
Jarrod Dyke
No, more players choice than anything, I think.
00:41:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Still... Yeah. Don't like
00:41:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Superlatives.
00:41:22
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:41:28
Jarrod Dyke
Those that outdid themselves.
00:41:28
Grumpy Old Prop
it. I'd say Orlando Bailey. did himself very proud.
00:41:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, did well. Agreed. Agreed, agreed. i had I had him on my on my list.
00:41:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yep.
00:41:41
Jarrod Dyke
um shout Shout to Cam, Dudley Calametti.
00:41:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, ah yes.
00:41:46
Jarrod Dyke
shout to Shout to Cam, big time. Scored a wonderful try and just, yeah, looked good.
00:41:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Did.
00:41:51
Jarrod Dyke
And your boy, Brock Webster.
00:41:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, honestly, he's like, i so you were talking about our friend, um, next to us. Um, his lady friend asked me, you know, where where did, where did, where did the Webster come from? And I was like, wherever he came from, he should go back there.
00:42:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And they thought that was hilarious. And, and but I got to say, after I said that, which was like towards having halftime of the, was it the DC match?
00:42:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:42:21
Jarrod Dyke
Last week or two weeks ago, whatever it was.
00:42:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was the DC match.
00:42:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah,
00:42:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And he he has been fucking on fire. Like, his second half was excellent. His whole game, um i thought, um against ah against Seattle was was was quality.
00:42:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah.
00:42:40
Grumpy Old Prop
So, fucking shut my mouth. um Like, i'll i'll i'll I'll cop to it when someone changes my mind. and And, yeah, he's he had a game that that he I saw stuff from him that I hadn't seen before.
00:42:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. because If he brings that version of himself, I feel very good about things going on.
00:42:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. Yep.
00:43:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um
00:43:05
Jarrod Dyke
Shad it.
00:43:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd say a lot, a lot of the bath team for, it shouldn't have been that close.
00:43:16
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, I think a lot of the youngsters stood up well. I think some of the...
00:43:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm sorry. Not the bath team. I'm sorry. Not the bathroom. I'm at sale. Sorry. Sale.
00:43:23
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, sale. Okay, fair.
00:43:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Sale. um I, want I, I, yeah, misspoke.
00:43:25
Jarrod Dyke
That's fair.
00:43:28
Grumpy Old Prop
My bad. I was like wait, what are you talking about? I'm like, that would they started there. Oh no, no, no. I was like, oh, I said the wrong thing.
00:43:32
Jarrod Dyke
yeah You were probably looking at Bath and thinking sale.
00:43:33
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:43:35
Jarrod Dyke
I've done that before, too.
00:43:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, probably.
00:43:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:43:38
Jarrod Dyke
yeah i Yeah, I agree on that. Taz. Taz. Oof. <unk>s bo
00:43:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:46
Jarrod Dyke
Lester, I see what you were talking about now. Just, I'm going to say it right now. I see what you were talking about now, okay?
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:52
Jarrod Dyke
but It's fair fair call.
00:43:54
Grumpy Old Prop
yep You made the right choice.
00:43:55
Jarrod Dyke
Fair call. ah Yeah, no, they did. They did. They did. um Some of the Moana players, honestly, not all of them, but some of them.
00:44:06
Jarrod Dyke
Just, yeah. Not quite the spirit that we had seen of them.
00:44:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Not not you, Artie. not Not you.
00:44:10
Jarrod Dyke
Pole was the one that
00:44:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:12
Jarrod Dyke
picked up a ah card i was like that's gonna be bad news for him i think they end up ah deeming it being a red even though um i think it was near full time so um but they end up deeming it being a red because i think he's getting banned for three weeks so whatever whatever competition he's playing in next no he's not so nope you are not sir you are not uh
00:44:15
Grumpy Old Prop
<unk>
00:44:29
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Wherever you thought you were playing, no you're not.
00:44:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I'm sorry. I want to go back to one um outdid themselves, which he does it all the time. But have a Tevin ally, I want to give him ah a shout and ah in a losing effort.
00:44:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:44:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Just the guy just fucking brings it all the time.
00:44:50
Jarrod Dyke
Should play for the All Blacks this summer.
00:44:54
Jarrod Dyke
So we'll see.
00:44:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I can't disagree with that unless.
00:44:56
Jarrod Dyke
But I would, if I was a betting man, if I was a betting man.
00:44:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:03
Jarrod Dyke
All right. um
00:45:05
Jarrod Dyke
Ref, young player, coaches, any but any of them?
00:45:09
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm going to go with a ref. I do have a ref this week.
00:45:11
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:45:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm going to see Anthony Woodthorpe.
00:45:12
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:45:15
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:45:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:45:16
Jarrod Dyke
Alright.
00:45:16
Grumpy Old Prop
in in a a match that, i you know, there was there was there was something on the line for it. I thought he handled the game well. I thought he kept the flow going. And um really, these are two teams that are just one of just want to play rugby.
00:45:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And I felt felt like he'd let them play really, really well. Didn't ah didn't make it about himself.
00:45:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah, that's fair.
00:45:32
Grumpy Old Prop
didn't i i didn't really have anything. I enjoyed watching the game to the point where I didn't even notice him. So that's really where I'm going with it. Like...
00:45:39
Jarrod Dyke
That says a lot sometimes, you know?
00:45:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
Young Players and Remarkable Performances
00:45:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And for ah for a big game, and that was the one that I had on the big screen because I like salaries I figured we're were going to win.
00:45:42
Jarrod Dyke
What does say a lot?
00:45:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So I had that on the on the little screen. um You know, maybe I had, the you know, the volume kind of medium on it because I was like, yeah I kind of expected what what happened there. But I really, you know really needed to know Gloucester because that was the if if Gloucester lost, then obviously that would open the door, assuming, you know, say Bristol shattered or something would have opened the door.
00:46:07
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. So that be say that was the first domino of two of two that needed to follow or, know, whatever order you wanted to put it in.
00:46:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right.
00:46:13
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:46:13
Grumpy Old Prop
um And I, and yeah, I thought it was an enjoyable match. um and I kept that one on most of the most of the time I did switch over to to Bristol for a little bit until that was clear as to which way that was going.
00:46:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:25
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:46:27
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah, I thought I thought he did a good job. No, no question. No, no. Major concerns there.
00:46:33
Jarrod Dyke
Very nice. Very nice. um Yeah, I mean, yeah. And I mean, in terms of young players, um I think we can just give most of the Beth team their due on that one.
00:46:45
Jarrod Dyke
They they really, you know, they they they knew how they won they were supposed to play because of
00:46:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:55
Jarrod Dyke
Van Graan and you know he had he showed them not just similar to how the Saracens like to do things a lot or most teams but certainly Saracens comes to mind because a lot of them know exactly what's expected of them um yeah like they they fell into their system yeah they fell into their system and despite who the bodies were that were filling the jerseys a lot of them still did their jobs and did their jobs well so yeah loads of credit to that young bath team so that's where that's at
00:47:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah You know, Van Grand was my coach of the week too. so Because they did.
00:47:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And that's, that's hugely impressive because you, you know, generally if you, if you switch out one or two guys, it's okay. Young guy, just do your job. We'll get through it.
00:47:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, in this case it was okay. All you young guys, uh, just do your jobs and we'll get through it. And they all did. That's, that's, that's good coaching.
00:47:38
Jarrod Dyke
right yeah exactly yep
00:47:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and, and good, good on the players for, for, um, rocking up. My young player was Jack Cotgrieve though, uh, with a hat trick. um In a big game.
00:47:49
Jarrod Dyke
yep yeah yeah absolutely yeah but big place to step up for sure for sure um
00:47:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:00
Jarrod Dyke
Try the week.
00:48:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I have i have ah ah three tries of the week. One from from from different different different standards of rugby.
00:48:06
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:48:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:48:09
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
00:48:10
Grumpy Old Prop
one One from Brookline High School. ah Where... Um, your, your young promising 10, well, a senior, but the still, um, you know, 18 year old tent just laid up a beautiful chip, um, that your winger ran onto.
00:48:27
Grumpy Old Prop
And I, I, you know, um, I'm not going to mention names cause they're, they're minors. So, so I don't want to, um, you know, but put their names on blast out to the, to the, the, you know, dozen people who are listening.
00:48:36
Jarrod Dyke
ah Yeah, give him a few months at least.
00:48:39
Grumpy Old Prop
um But that that that try was just fucking beautiful to open up the the game and then really set the tone for the game too. of oh Oh, hey, can you guys do this? like you do you have this in your in your book, in your playbook?
00:48:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, oh, definitely.
00:48:53
Grumpy Old Prop
And really they didn't. So um ah in chicago Chicago ends up winning.
00:48:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, definitely.
00:48:57
Jarrod Dyke
Chicago has one, but they've only gotten two tries out of it, so...
00:48:57
Grumpy Old Prop
so
00:49:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:00
Jarrod Dyke
I think if we get two bonus points, then we might be in business. Maybe, maybe not.
00:49:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough. Either way, um second the the second...
00:49:06
Jarrod Dyke
um In any case. Yeah, i you can see. So it's funny because i was watch I've been obviously watching the game tape last week. And you can see a couple of the kids from the other team like have their hands in the air like, what the fuck are you guys doing back there?
00:49:21
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, well, they probably didn't understand what was happening until it was way too late, unfortunately.
00:49:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:49:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep, and that's the that's oh that's the best feeling in rugby.
00:49:27
Jarrod Dyke
too.
00:49:30
Jarrod Dyke
to the kid do it to the kid's credit that know from our boys you know to our boys credit now know they they knew exactly what was happening way before the other team did so it worked out well
00:49:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, the worst when you're them, but...
00:49:39
Grumpy Old Prop
yep because it was off of continued and it wasn't just like out of nowhere it was off of you know continued possession and like if your 10 really wanted to and there was another one where if your 10 really wanted he could have scored um himself and then passed it off but like that's the thing it's like you know what this is if if if I just get the weight right on this nobody's between my winger and the try zone so I'll just give it a little nudge and and yeah
00:50:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. No, he's got a pretty good foot on him, thankfully.
00:50:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And speaking of giving a little nudge and having it work out great, um my my so my second try of the week was ah was Cam, Nordly Calametti.
00:50:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:50:16
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:50:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. Brock got lit up on that, too.
00:50:18
Grumpy Old Prop
For like... Yeah. and And I think, what, second week in a row where... Well, not second week in a row, but second and three matches where the Free Jacks chip it and the the defense, the the back three defense just fucking bottles it.
00:50:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And the Free Jacks end up with a ball and...
00:50:33
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. The Miami game. Yeah, yeah,
00:50:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:36
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God.
00:50:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And this one, it wasn't a prop, but it was, yeah know it was, ah it was the nine, oh which makes a lot more sense. You
00:50:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that that does make more sense. Yeah.
00:50:45
Grumpy Old Prop
um you know, nine finishing it. And then the other was another nine was, was Thomas Williams. um The backbreaker try that he had to, well, that he finished, um which
00:50:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:50:55
Jarrod Dyke
He's been immense.
00:50:57
Grumpy Old Prop
went through all the hands.
00:50:57
Jarrod Dyke
He's been a immense for that team, for sure.
00:50:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I think, so I think it was Seb Atkinson who said, who, who had the last before him and, and just put him away. So yeah, that's a, that's a fun team to watch. I like, you know they, they have been and not, not of late, but um they're getting back to that.
00:51:13
Jarrod Dyke
Back to that is good. jim Yeah, I agree.
00:51:17
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, my mine would have been Cam's, so there we go.
00:51:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:21
Jarrod Dyke
Player of the week.
00:51:26
Grumpy Old Prop
I play the weakest is, uh,
00:51:30
Grumpy Old Prop
it's a kind of a split between Thomas Williams and, um, and Christian Wade for me. And again, that was the game I spent on this, but like, you know, I watched most of, but at the same time, like they were just downright impressive.
00:51:36
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, good.
00:51:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And, You know, of all the other matches that we saw, know, the Super Rugby was just a fucking wash. It doesn't like there was no one individual player that I saw that was like a standout like, wow, this guy was really amazing.
00:51:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, sorry. One exception for that. And that is Lockie Anderson, ah home who had what, four tries for.
00:52:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. How many score? Four. Yeah.
00:52:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um So good for him. So I guess I will throw him out there.
00:52:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. No, good choice. Yeah. I mean, there were...
00:52:16
Jarrod Dyke
There was a point where I thought going into the Hurricanes and Moana game, like, oh, man, Moana's going to bring the Thunder. This is tough game. Not dissimilar to someone of the way they played us um when we went to North Harbor, but...
00:52:29
Jarrod Dyke
um Yeah, disappointed with the way they play, but I thought, I mean, who's going to take All Blacks 9 shirt off Cam Rehgard?
00:52:43
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:52:46
Jarrod Dyke
He keeps doing what he's doing. Nobody.
00:52:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Like maybe Rattama, but that's like, that's a big maybe.
00:52:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's probably the biggest maybe of all. I'd say it's Rehgard's lose.
00:52:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Like in that maybe, maybe he doesn't, maybe doesn't take the nine off of him, but maybe he takes his place as a 21. Um, um
00:53:04
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe.
00:53:04
Grumpy Old Prop
but that's, ah that's really the closest one at the moment.
00:53:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:13
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. ah Yeah. Oh, Dick of the
00:53:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, my dick of the week is, is from outside of our normal comp structure. Um, but it's, it's Jaden Hendricks, uh, um
00:53:27
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. This whole thing. Jesus.
00:53:30
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:53:31
Jarrod Dyke
Munster and penalty goals. Not good.
00:53:34
Grumpy Old Prop
but yeah well that yeah um i i just don't like i like fun shithousery and i feel like we're getting a little bit too much negative shithousery um i like the cheek of a wink but i also don't like the implication of yeah i'm i'm fake of course i'm faking this like
00:53:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. There was a...
00:53:54
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not a good look.
00:53:55
Jarrod Dyke
No, it isn't. And I think he probably could have held off with it, not real it but not not realizing the situation he had put himself in. um
00:54:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:03
Jarrod Dyke
or that he was currently in. I did see a pretty good a photo of his leg, and it appeared to be having a very good cramp. So I'll give him that.
00:54:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, you know, so some of some of us, some of us when when we're properly trained, our calves just look like that because they're just that awesome. But... I'm going to go ahead and probably agree with you on that, on his, in this instance.
00:54:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it depends. Yeah. Yeah. Cause there, and because I do what I do, like I can see when things look different than that. And to me, that looked like one that had just decided to contract and stop and stop releasing.
00:54:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:54:35
Jarrod Dyke
So that's what that looked like to me.
00:54:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:54:37
Jarrod Dyke
Um, but yeah, maybe just button down that wig a little bit there, buddy. Just a little bit.
00:54:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Like, especially when you're being accused of faking it for gamesmanship, like that's,
00:54:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:54:51
Grumpy Old Prop
not it's not a good look right
00:54:51
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you know you know it's going to come. That's the thing. You know it's going to... It's probably coming. So just maybe... Turn it down a little bit.
00:54:59
Jarrod Dyke
Turn it down a little bit.
00:54:59
Grumpy Old Prop
and so yeah and that's why it's not like you know it's not more than just hey you're that's a dick move so but in in a way like a little almost like a respectful dick of the week like uh because again i do like the positive shithouser i just thought that was a little little much i don't like the the look of that the way it went down
00:55:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:55:18
Jarrod Dyke
No, yeah, you're right. The optics of it aren't aren't great. Yep. I'll agree. Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:55:23
Grumpy Old Prop
It's not as bad as the the um the
Controversies and Challenges
00:55:26
Grumpy Old Prop
dickery with. ah um
00:55:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, what's his name? um I lost it. The those Northampton flanker and the the pulse. um
00:55:38
Jarrod Dyke
oh yeah
00:55:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, guys, like you want to like push your like the start. Like you don't want to make fun of the stars. Like give them their props. Like, good. We beat you.
00:55:50
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Not don't rub it in their face. Just be like, look at how good we are because we like you fucking.
00:55:57
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, could have kicked our ass, but we overcame like show love. Not not not that. But um yeah, this is a different kind of dick of the week this week for me.
00:56:03
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:56:06
Jarrod Dyke
Different kind. No, I'm going just abstain.
00:56:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Did you do you have one?
00:56:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Dickless this week.
00:56:13
Jarrod Dyke
Abstain this week. um Yeah, ah so let's go pick them.
00:56:22
Jarrod Dyke
Premiership, semifinal, Bath-Bristol.
00:56:28
Jarrod Dyke
Friday night.
00:56:31
Grumpy Old Prop
This is a bit of... It's not... but and If it was neutral ground, a bit of a coin flip you know what in a way.
00:56:37
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:56:38
Grumpy Old Prop
But I just don't i don't see Bath. I'm impressed that Bristol made the final the top four.
00:56:46
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:56:48
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm still not seeing it what i everything I would like to see from them. um I'm not sure if they're going to get up against Bath's top side. i don't think I just don't think they have the firepower at all.
00:57:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think this is this is going to be a hard year to deny Beth.
00:57:02
Grumpy Old Prop
So, Bath.
00:57:05
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, I'm going with the guys playing at home.
00:57:10
Jarrod Dyke
Leicester Sale.
00:57:13
Grumpy Old Prop
This This one's kind of this like Sale have the defense But at the same time Lester have that attack that They have a dimension that Sale don't have Still So Lester Yeah um And You know it depends you know if Kata gets an early red Or something like that things could change
00:57:13
Jarrod Dyke
Saturday.
00:57:24
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:57:28
Jarrod Dyke
They have back rowers that know how to attack.
00:57:38
Jarrod Dyke
Things could totally change. i agree. Yeah, we talked about that before.
00:57:41
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:57:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:57:42
Grumpy Old Prop
But like, i you know i look one through 15 and even one through 23 for these two teams. And to me, it's not all, it's not all Lester, but you know there's, there's a couple ties. There's a couple of, yeah, they're about evens. And then there's a couple of the, this is no, no question.
00:57:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And there's not many, you know, there's not many on sales side. Let's put it that way. So, and then it's at, the you know, it's at Welford road.
00:58:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:58:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I feel like sailor a little bit of a home home or team um just for their style of play.
00:58:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't think that's going to travel as well to to the tiger enclosure.
00:58:17
Jarrod Dyke
They like those comforts.
00:58:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. and this And this is a rematch of two years ago as well.
00:58:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:27
Jarrod Dyke
in this picture.
00:58:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Also true.
00:58:29
Jarrod Dyke
and So, and it's, ah it was the inverse, but yeah. Semi-final.
00:58:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:58:34
Jarrod Dyke
Sale up. Lester and Sale. It was the inverse before, but yeah. Yeah, I don't see, that i don't see how the Tiger, the only way I see the Tigers losing is, as we mentioned before, Kata does something really boneheaded and gets a red, which is possible. Totally not ruling it out.
00:58:48
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:58:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:58:50
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, I think, I think, I think Lester will, will come out on top.
00:58:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:59
Jarrod Dyke
Super. I'm super.
00:59:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Thanks for asking.
00:59:02
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:59:05
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, there may be irrelevant, but actually, that's not the relevant one. But yeah, so. Chiefs Blues.
00:59:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um I'm going with the Chiefs.
00:59:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I think, though, I don't. I think the Blues still had to do a lot in the last three, four weeks to get here. I don't know if they got the the energy to keep going in that fashion. So
00:59:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:36
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, I'm going to, I will go with the chiefs.
00:59:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:40
Jarrod Dyke
Reds Crusaders.
00:59:43
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't like... Australia traveling to New Zealand. I can't back it.
00:59:49
Jarrod Dyke
Right. I think that's the hard part for me.
00:59:50
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:59:51
Jarrod Dyke
I think if this was the inverse, I'd give the reds some credit here, you know?
00:59:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I still give them, again, puncher's chance. I still give them actually better than a puncher's chance. I'm leaning 55-45 in this instance. Maybe 60-40. But... fifty five forty five in this and this instance maybe sixty forty
01:00:08
Jarrod Dyke
right
01:00:09
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:00:12
Grumpy Old Prop
but Yeah, I just i think the Crusaders, as you know, I'm impressed with the way they've been playing, and it's going to be hard. Like, they're they' they've got a good squad that plays well together, and, you know, I don't...
01:00:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Lockie Anderson's not putting four tries down on this Crusaders team.
01:00:32
Jarrod Dyke
No, probably not.
01:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry, dude.
01:00:33
Jarrod Dyke
Probably not.
01:00:34
Grumpy Old Prop
If they just had a little bit of a better roster, um but we'd see. But actually, I haven't even seen the starters for them.
01:00:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:00:45
Jarrod Dyke
haven't seen the stars yet? Yeah.
01:00:47
Jarrod Dyke
Lamps out.
01:00:47
Grumpy Old Prop
haven't, I have, yeah, I didn't actually check out the, hold
01:00:54
Grumpy Old Prop
um on, don't want to check them out.
01:00:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Well, i didn't have a team to go to go draft or anything, so I wasn't ready to rush to it.
01:01:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's interesting. Okay. So yeah, flukes back. I'm going to go to 11, but it's still Anderson and Campbell. And I don't understand why is Tim Ryan, if Tim Ryan was out there, maybe we're, we're talking something different, but.
01:01:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Him on the bench, i don't agree with that. Like, put your best players out there. just you know Although, if your hockey is started...
01:01:28
Jarrod Dyke
yeah he's a question mark for me but overall I see the Crusaders getting this done so in the grand scheme of things that's where i see this going yep agreed
01:01:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yep. I think they'll just find a way. And I don't know that the Reds will.
01:01:44
Jarrod Dyke
no I think it'll be really hard really hard to ask for them um Okay, and then Crusaders Brumbies.
01:02:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, you mean hurricanes, Brumbies? Do you see Crusaders or is that just me?
01:02:06
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Sorry, Hurricane Brumbies. I did say Crusaders.
01:02:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Okay.
01:02:08
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, I Crusaders on my brain. um
01:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and I've had a little of to drink.
01:02:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yes, sorry.
01:02:11
Grumpy Old Prop
So I'm like, did he just say what I think he's...
01:02:13
Jarrod Dyke
I did.
01:02:18
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm going to go with the Canes, um even though they're away. there's an i just... I'm not sold on this Brombees team.
01:02:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, they've they've done this dance before.
01:02:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And I really like a lot of what I see of this the Canes team. um There's just a lot to like. And then you look at who's coming off the bench too, and it's a lot better than what the Brumbies are bringing off the bench at every level.
01:02:45
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:02:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:02:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, fingers crossed, man. I'll take that, and I assume i assume if it ends up being ah cur hurricanes when they're going to play the crusaders and then the brummies will go to um walk it out to play to play the chiefs that's what i assume at least
01:03:05
Grumpy Old Prop
The chefs.
01:03:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Which I'd be fine with. I like that. i Yeah. That's a good plan.
01:03:13
Jarrod Dyke
yeah yeah hopefully that's how it happens
01:03:14
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm all in favor of it.
01:03:19
Jarrod Dyke
Okay, um that'll do it for us for this. We will do a brief fancy corner minute, and if you're going join us over there, we'll see you over there. If not, go ahead and enjoy yourselves some postseason rugby, and we'll catch you guys next week. Thanks a lot for listening to us, and we'll catch you guys next week, hopefully. Have a good one, everyone.
01:03:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:03:38
Jarrod Dyke
just