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Jarrod Dyke: Hey you everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, good I mean, we question whether or not we're we're here sometimes.
Grumpy Old Prop: God damn it. Who wrote the question mark? and We're actually doing this.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, sorry but sorry we've been absent, guys.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: There's things happening over on this side.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Being parents and whatnot is not easy, especially when they're but we're both parents of the kids, the same age, like literally the same
Jarrod Dyke: um there Yeah, yeah, and...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and the there was a Norreaster here, which if you don't know what that is, ah it's cold, it's windy, and it's a shit ton rain.
Grumpy Old Prop: There was that too.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah so that was pretty shit and so it's like a combination of small children and can't take them outside can't really do anything um it means they have a lot of energy and that means that we do do not
Jarrod Dyke: And that sucked.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. on last Thursday, like I was dealing with like five different headaches because of the the storm.
Grumpy Old Prop: right plus your game and yeah
Jarrod Dyke: trying to play, like, we had to we had to play in it, and so was like, oh. Came out on the right side.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I was like, and I think jared's playing to yeah eric Jared's team's playing today. i would go, but I'm not standing outside in this. So I'm just going to sit here and and not be outside.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I don't, I, as an unpaid volunteer, I don't blame you one bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I felt bad for, like, the admins that had to be there, because there were playoff implications, so all our, like, a couple of our ADs had to be there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: It was like, oh But we won, and justly, we are the we have the number two seed in the tournament. So it'll be good going forward here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which is excellent, but well, earn well, earned well done to the the Brookline kids.
Jarrod Dyke: Hopefully. Hopefully.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: They've been doing a good job.
Jarrod Dyke: Boys are playing great. Yeah, boys are playing brilliantly. ah Our 10 helps. so
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, please.
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Jarrod Dyke: you know me? Is there hole in this thing? Like one that's not supposed to be there?
Grumpy Old Prop: There's at least one.
Jarrod Dyke: It's like leaking down the side. There's one where it's supposed to be, but I'm questioning whether or not there's another one because it just seemed to like find another avenue besides the one I was going for here.
Grumpy Old Prop: the only one.
Jarrod Dyke: ah ah make sure that you buy our good friend George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, um especially if some of you are winning competitions, covid um or, you know, in contention and or simply just haven't suffered a forfeit because you've listened to George's advice.
Jarrod Dyke: You owe him one of those, please. Okay. all agree on that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor nor should there be in sports or in life.
Jarrod Dyke: As we were talking, like, we had something last week were going to do, and we were going try save it, and then Ben's like, there's been so much shit, I actually forgot it, which is sad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, I can't remember if we talked about the um not away the the plantation house that burned down. It's been too long anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: a little bit, I think so.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, cool. um Anyway, the one that I wanted to to talk about this week was so I think one of the last times we talked about it about or had this segment anyway, because we potted was um to to shit on Keir Starmer for being a dick and
Jarrod Dyke: At least you and I did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: being a transphobe and and all that business. And um but we're bringing it bringing it back to stateside and talking about Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, who basically did the same thing and is basically banning trans um transgendered people from um playing sports under their
Jarrod Dyke: Because they're harming so many people out there.
Grumpy Old Prop: um there transgender, like their actual, you know, their, their, how they, you know, feel their biology is and and how they identify.
Jarrod Dyke: Identified.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And he's not letting it happen.
Jarrod Dyke: yep
Grumpy Old Prop: He's saying, Nope, bush it depends on the, it, it, the noise the fuck out of me. Cause they're talking about, you know, I've seen all these stats and it's like, we're talking about a handful of people.
Jarrod Dyke: I think I saw something. It was like 10 in all of the high school athletes in
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: California's like schools. We're talking about maybe 10 people.
Grumpy Old Prop: And right. And like the fact that there's like so much else that's happening in the world.
Jarrod Dyke: It's absurd.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is this is what you, you know, are again, our health care system kills know nationally, like about 70,000 people a year because they can't afford care. And we have like ice storming and, and, you know kidnapping people um under the guise of, of immigration, you know, protecting our borders.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: No, in fact.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just fucking stupid anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: Kiss my ass. Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, the biggest thing you have to deal with is, is trans athletes.
Jarrod Dyke: that's yeah that's where you're going to go with?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like this is the, and, but the thing is it only feeds into transphobia. It only feeds into bigotry and it only makes, vulnerable people more vulnerable and more likely to um to lose more rights and even their lives.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's just bullshit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's no reason to do it. Like, again, the one the one time I've really had a problem with a trans person competing in sports was, right, which we've discussed before, again, is that um the player for um for Raleigh, who is trans, who
Jarrod Dyke: I remember. Yeah, we discussed this.
Grumpy Old Prop: has transitioned to a man um but still you know plays women's sports and it's like you you know that's the danger i've i've seen plenty of of men who transition to women playing rugby and guess what most them aren't a aren't very good and b don't have anywhere near that big of an advantage so like or and any advantage at all it's like it's it's seamless you you can't fucking tell and so the fuck are we doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: it's It's all in the name of safety. It's not safe. It's only making people less safe.
Jarrod Dyke: No, that's the guys that they're putting it under, but it's bullshit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right? So much, so many terrible things have been justified by, oh, it's for safety.
Jarrod Dyke: We all know it.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's For who's safety? Who's being protected? Who's being um made unsafe?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Really? And they never they't want to talk about that. So anyway, out there, stop it. don't Don't buy into this bullshit and seriously don't give these like Nazis and bigots, but you know, there's no, you got to hand it to them on this. No, you don't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Please don't.
Jarrod Dyke: No, there isn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's just you're helping justify their violent and and bigoted beliefs and don't do don't do it.
Jarrod Dyke: No, there isn't.
Jarrod Dyke: Mmm. Yeah. Don't.
Grumpy Old Prop: There.
Jarrod Dyke: No, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: I've said my piece.
Jarrod Dyke: No more.
Jarrod Dyke: Peace valid. um Okay. And then make sure that you grab our Patreon. We appreciate everyone's support. We'll, of course, do a nice call out to all our Patreons for the last episode in few weeks' time.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, we do appreciate everyone that's subscribed to our Patreon and helps us
Jarrod Dyke: justify what we're doing sometimes to our better halves.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it also helps us watch the games because we do basically we draw on that to buy subscriptions and we're going to have to buy a new one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it helps.
Grumpy Old Prop: Thanks Paramount+.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, parent that's actually... I mean, it it's good. It is. It's annoying because obviously it's another one. And i get and that that line of thought and issue, I'm with you. i agree.
Jarrod Dyke: It's another one. It's really annoying. But if you're only looking to watch the World Cup internationals and U.S. internationals, that is going to be your jam right there. That's your spot. You don't need to do anything else because they have the next...
Jarrod Dyke: I think they'll walk up for the next like four cycles or something like that. so employee Starting with this fall.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it's so neat. It's like one more thing just for that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: But ah well here the upside is we got away from flow, which has had many an issue, to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but we're not we're not getting away from flow because don't they still have Super Rugby?
Jarrod Dyke: They do, but... We've got... that's That's not within the USA Rugby or World Rugby's control right now. So we have to just take what we get at the moment. they Yes, Flo has competitions that I wish they didn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: That's not news. But... Think of it in terms of the growth of the game on this side of the pond. On Paramount+, plus they can put it on CBS Sports Network, they can put it on CBS, and it'll be on cable slash public TV, which Flow had no avenue for that whatsoever.
Grumpy Old Prop: True.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's true.
Jarrod Dyke: You either subscribe to Flow and you had it, or you didn't and you never saw a thing. That was where that was, and that was my biggest issue with USA Rugby having that contract, other than the fact that the feeds fucked up and sucked sometimes, which was also that too.
Grumpy Old Prop: or do we Do we know that they're going to stay away from fucking Hightower?
Jarrod Dyke: Don't know that. I would appreciate if they did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Corbisero, I'd prefer... So here's the thing. it's I feel like it's a sin to speak out against Alex Corbisero, but I also don't think it's his fault.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think they ask him to be a certain way and be like an ambassador and smiley and happy and not as like intellectual about the game when we see him.
Jarrod Dyke: be he He knows so much more than he lets on sometimes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And, like, I've heard i've heard him speak about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he has to dumb it down because he can't just tell Hightower, can't just tell Byron Hightower, you're a fucking moron, dude. Like, you're not helping this.
Jarrod Dyke: Wish he would, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he can't, but yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, he's he's put into this, you know, this box by... USA Rugby Peacock and Flow and whatnot. And it's really shameful because that is not...
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: he He can provide so much more for us. I do like... I like Will Hooley. I think he's he's helpful and in a lot of ways towards the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he's got more insights to it than a lot of the other pundits that are out there. So I'm happy to hear... Him chat when he when he has a thing or two to say.
Jarrod Dyke: But, yeah, I just... I think there's good but of it i just That'll be the next step.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's the next level. let's Let's fix our punditry just a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And, yeah, we can go from there.
Grumpy Old Prop: And look, the good news is that they're still better than having like Indie Good and um like...
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, my God. I was like, oh, why is this Muppet on this thing?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, and others of that, like, they don't, like, moan constantly.
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, the thing is, we don't hear them during the game, which is awesome. Um, because they wouldn't actually, they and they wouldn't moan. They actually tried to grow encouragement of the game. They're just fucking idiots.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, Hightower is just an idiot, which I don't understand.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, he's played at a high enough level he should know better, but no. Um, that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, has he?
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair enough. Um.
Jarrod Dyke: but and more One more reason to get him out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um But it's just like, it's it's just, you feel stupid watching these because you're just like, nope, that's wrong. That's just fla fat flat, flat, flat wrong. Like, um you know, it's better than complaining about the game constantly as some, some folks do like Austin and, and Gude and those types of people.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Ah, yep. Yeah, yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, agreed. No argument on me either. Anyway, let's go to... Let's go to the Principality. And... Lots of talking points, and I mean lots of talking points. It's a final...
Jarrod Dyke: And it's nice to have as many talking points as we do. So that's good in a way. So yay. But also like some of them are not good talking points. So there's that as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I'm still salty about that Pollock try being called back. Like, overall, look, overall, deserving team won.
Jarrod Dyke: oh
Grumpy Old Prop: They played well.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I thought Northampton had some... incredibly unlucky breaks extremely early in the match that I think have ended up affecting the game. um I thought, you know, you you lose a winger and a fullback in the span of five minutes, less than 10 minutes into a game.
Grumpy Old Prop: What are you going to do
Jarrod Dyke: It's no disrespect to the guys that came on. like Slates was probably one of those ones that were like, yeah, right, that's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: and then But then Litchfield was a ram or Furbank.
Grumpy Old Prop: Furbank, because Ram came off.
Jarrod Dyke: Whichever one it was, doesn't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, Ram.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ram dropped first.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. So for Furbank and I was like, oh shit. That's not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm sorry, it was two minutes apart. There was four minutes into the game.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Furbank came off four minutes. and
Jarrod Dyke: Oh.
Grumpy Old Prop: I also got to say, I'm not sure. I'm not saying it was dirty. But I'm also not going to say it was clean, the um what but Burroughs did to to Furback.
Grumpy Old Prop: He wasn't near the ball. was The ball was well away.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So why are you why are you taking that line? He wasn't running towards the ball. He was just running it at Furback, it looked like to me. um So I'm not saying there should have been any sanction or and anything for it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But I just didn't i didn't like that. that's the best way I can put it. Like, I don't, I don't like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't like what he did there. Um, and they were like Oh, it's just a rugby incident.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's fair.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm like, I think it was a little bit more than a rugby incident, but I don't know what you could do about it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, would have been hard to say.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um, but other than that and, and yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: yeah, which and then Litchfield had to come off too. Shit, that's right. So they finished with 13 the field?
Grumpy Old Prop: they would finish with 14 at the, towards the end.
Jarrod Dyke: 14 at the end, okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Once the field came off, they had no, they had nobody left.
Jarrod Dyke: Oof. Roof.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Oh, no, I'm sorry. Tom James came on. Because Mitchell played the full bench.
Jarrod Dyke: That's right. That's right.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: That's right. That's probably what they were thinking too.
Grumpy Old Prop: So to their credit, though, they they played it. they They did field a 5-3. um So it wasn't.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank God. I was um in my brain because Dowson's done this a couple times and gone six too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm thinking, oh shit, they are totally fucked. And I forgot that he had gone five, three. i was like, oh, you, yeah. See, see, this is why you go five, three guys, you know?
Grumpy Old Prop: It really is.
Jarrod Dyke: Because you don't need you don't need your whole plan to fall apart because of two back injuries.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, yeah, that sucks. Like, it's it's unlucky, but at the same time, like, it's ah it's a distinct possibility.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, that's not an unheard of thing by any means whatsoever. So, yeah, thank God he finally at least did that and was smart about it. I think, yeah, when they...
Jarrod Dyke: And then the final straw, really, for me was, man, I've been doing having to come off and... And Prowse was their option there because they had Coles in already.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: in the I mean, for me, I would have just slid Coles in and brought Scott Young. As much as I don't like him, I would much rather have Scott Young than Ed Prowse on the field and Coles being a dynamic second row.
Grumpy Old Prop: um ah Yeah, I think... Prowse is also not... Yeah, he's not... um i don't even how much she I don't even know how much he's played this year. Like, he he's not...
Jarrod Dyke: Not like the last couple of matches, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I guess Chenya Munga has been hurt.
Jarrod Dyke: That's it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Otherwise, he would have been in there. And that would have been that that's to me, that's a different story.
Jarrod Dyke: Big. Yeah, big.
Grumpy Old Prop: If um my my Inavanua has to come out and Munga comes in, very different story.
Jarrod Dyke: Totally.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But yeah, I probably would have done what you're saying is put, I guess, got young on and enrolled with that because he's he's a better he's a better player than than Prowse.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's, you should put your better players in. And even if you have, you know, again, I know your plan has been cocked since the, you know the first five minutes, but don't back up mistakes with mistakes. Don't put somebody as, um, honestly, it's mediocre as prowess because Scott Young is at least like serviceable.
Jarrod Dyke: never Never a good thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then, yeah I mean, yeah rewind to, you know, truck being injured and Pearson being injured, like really like those were three injuries that they couldn't deal with pre-match.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that...
Jarrod Dyke: And then, know, during the match, the the three injuries they got hit with were just blah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, I mean, so in the, in all that case, they stuck with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, they there was it was a game...
Jarrod Dyke: They, they did, they stuck with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: um basically right up until almost the end. Um, no, i guess when was the last try?
Jarrod Dyke: um Until the Casio try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Uh, Oh, 44 minutes. Yeah. Um, fairly short out there. Yeah. So, but it was still within touch. It was still a a potential. was always the potential for, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, up until the last 10, it was still competitive. You know, it was the... Yeah, Luku scored the pen at 44, and then Casio got it at 50-odd.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, and then again,
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, if it's 28-25, because...
Jarrod Dyke: So...
Grumpy Old Prop: and you know I'm not even going to assume that Finn hits the the conversion um from that that Pollock try.
Jarrod Dyke: It was way out there, so...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. ah um But that... I'm sorry. You have to... like So, I get... Did he... There's the letter of the law, and then there's also the the fact that, as referees are instructed, it's the...
Grumpy Old Prop: um the severity of the offense and also its its impact on the play. And um yes, in this house, we stand Ben Tamifuna.
Grumpy Old Prop: But, but he's not making that play.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's, he's out of the play.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's never making that play.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Coles doesn't need to grab me there in that case, but.
Grumpy Old Prop: Pollux, he doesn't have to, but at the same time you do, that's, that's just, that happens in a mall. That's standard mall business.
Jarrod Dyke: That was my thought, too. i was like, he's coming out of the mall. It's really hard for Coles to just let him go instinctively.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And some someone was talking on... i don't remember which idiot was which talking i was talking about it. But like, oh, you know, it's a set play. So you see him release and you and you naturally grab him. It's like, you're probably naturally grabbing him anyway, whether it's set piece or not.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Whether it's the set play or not. Because... this is where we're going. Like, the this is what what happens with them all. You just, you grab the guy in front of you and you don't let him go until, you know, he's either fully pulled away or you, or, you what referee tells you to.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Right. and
Jarrod Dyke: you know, that's about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I also think that, like, again, if we had an angle from the from right down the the touchline, I think it would be very like it looked one way from the angle that they showed. But I think if you looked at it from, you know, the the realistic on field perspective.
Grumpy Old Prop: there' that There's too much distance there and time of one is not covering that. in any chance to to catch Pollock before, you know, before he offloads it. And then I saw another thing that somebody's like, oh, but then Pollock held, i can't remember who it was at the time, um that whoever was defending.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Possibly LuKu that was in that channel.
Grumpy Old Prop: Maybe, but either way, it was ah it was a small grab.
Jarrod Dyke: Or one of the wings.
Grumpy Old Prop: It wasn't, it didn't, it also didn't affect him. And Lange didn't get his arms through, but it's like, he popped, like that, it's too much ticky-tack there. um And if anything, I thought that, the you know, there may have been a forward pass involved there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Although looking at the replay, it it looked pretty flat. So um although Northampton would never score a key try by throwing a forward pass, that that would never happen.
Jarrod Dyke: Considering some of the things... ah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Never ever. ever Never ever. Yeah, I mean, if we're going to talk about forward passes in this game, there was definitely someone that was like, that's forward.
Jarrod Dyke: But, you know, whatever.
Grumpy Old Prop: But there was there was consistency.
Jarrod Dyke: Play on.
Grumpy Old Prop: At the same time, there was consistency. I don't think it was a well-refereed match, but I don't think it affected...
Jarrod Dyke: Oh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Aside from taking away that one try that I don't think should have been taken away, i don't and that that still didn't affect the outcome. Because even if they make the conversion, it's still...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And and I know there's also you know the difference in how they play, and it only takes one penalty at that point, but... um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I don't believe it. So, um yeah, like I said... The team that won deserved it. that was That's a hell of a Bordeaux team. They've had you know such a great tournament and um very deserving winners. and they've got a hell of a stacked team there. Especially the the Wings are just...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, the back line was pretty pretty dirty.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That was a very, very good back line.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Samu playing his balls off this year. um Apparently going back to Australia for some reason. Yeah. Personally, I think he should stay.
Jarrod Dyke: get picked for the Wallabies.
Grumpy Old Prop: Personally, think he should stay away. Yeah, i guess we've got to play for the Wallabies, but...
Jarrod Dyke: i'm
Grumpy Old Prop: I just...
Jarrod Dyke: I have a feeling that's part of it, so
Grumpy Old Prop: I just don't know that he's gonna. I don't think he's... I don't know. Maybe maybe we're in a Will Skelton situation where he's... It's clicked now, and and he's going to maintain this.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But at the same time, I'd i'd like to see more than... one season. But hey, give him a shot. What else you got? I mean, they have, they have, they still have a Gleason. They still got those, that, you know, McRae and Wilson from the Reds.
Grumpy Old Prop: there's ah There's plenty of others too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Tisano.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, Tisano, obviously he's got to be in the mix.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, there's so many other players there that
Jarrod Dyke: I presume he's not going to be eligible to play for them during the Lions. Maybe he will be, maybe he won't be.
Grumpy Old Prop: maybe he will be if he's come if he's already committed to coming back.
Jarrod Dyke: Depends. youre Generally speaking, they they won't reset the calendar until the Tri-Nation starts. So we'll see. ah The Rugby Championship, sorry. Fucking rewind my brain on that one.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah I know what meant.
Jarrod Dyke: but Anyway, so, yeah. i I mean, yeah. You said the things that need to be said about Bordeaux. They were definitely the best team throughout the entire competition this year and fully deserved it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think we do need to talk a little bit about things that aren't to do with either the team, one, the teams, or two, the rugby. We definitely need to talk about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: The zebra?
Jarrod Dyke: um ah I'm terrified that Nika Amishikeli has Alliance Test. How he got this final is beyond me, but the fact that he is going to be refereeing Alliance Test Series series match is...
Jarrod Dyke: Pretty fucking stupid in my opinion.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, it's here's the problem. you know Obviously, um Luke Pierce can't do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: so
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And to me, and I'm not saying, obviously Luke Pierce has his problems. like Apparently seeing a forward pass is is like a blatant forward, like unbelievably forward pass. um He has problems seeing that somehow.
Grumpy Old Prop: But generally speaking, and and he's the best draft in the world, not because he's so amazing, but because he just makes the fewest mistakes, blatant mistakes.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's just the refereeing right now is ah atrocious. So it's like, um which ka like whatever.
Jarrod Dyke: It's
Jarrod Dyke: it's worthy of a pod special, honestly. It is so fucked in so many ways from top to bottom.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I mean, I can't like, so it's not that like he doesn't deserve it based on where he is among referees. It's that that's the state of refereeing right now is that it's so bad that each of, I think each of the three referees are just nobody.
Grumpy Old Prop: I want to see ref a game.
Jarrod Dyke: No. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So Keith, does Keith get one that he's the closest to acceptable.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, he's got one.
Grumpy Old Prop: And even still, I'm like, I'm yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: It's still not acceptable.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, and that's what mean. He's the closest to acceptable. He's like almost there. But not. And that's the best we can get. Like, fuck boys.
Grumpy Old Prop: We got...
Jarrod Dyke: It's terrifying.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know. I don't understand. I do not understand. Like...
Jarrod Dyke: And some of the explanations he's giving, I'm like, that's not that. Oh, you were an idiot. I especially things. And we'll talk about something deeper than this. But like, I guess more fun at wrestling a guy out of a rock. But he's got his freaking arms around his neck. I'm like, dude, I don't care if he doesn't twist.
Jarrod Dyke: That is not legal.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, if we're basing it on whether it's legal or not, if he twists. Fuck out of here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: just put them in a chokehold. Like, there's no way that's legal.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Don't base it on such a stupid technicality. It's like, that's foul play. That's all it is. There's nothing else that it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: It's foul play. Penalize it so we knock that shit off because it gets worse and worse and things get nastier and nastier by the minute when you do that shit. So we have to penalize it. and just It's explanations were always just...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's it's one it's like...
Jarrod Dyke: Blech.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's almost like if you make a bad decision, don't over-explain it. Just be like, that' that's it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: you know That's my interpretation, we're moving on. I'd have more respect for you that way. But it's like when you back up a shitty call...
Jarrod Dyke: right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that it goes for Luke Pierce. when in um I can't remember what match it was last week. ah doesn't It certainly doesn't matter. ah Let's just move on and not reference it anymore.
Jarrod Dyke: a
Grumpy Old Prop: No, but like even that... It's like you're really working to make the like the you're it makes it look like you're trying to get it wrong. Like you've you've made your decision that it's going to be this and I'm going to distort reality and say this happened.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah right
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, no, no, no, no. and no He's standing in front of him. He's literally handing the ball forward, like pushing the ball forward the whole time. You can even see the grass cut. grassco
Jarrod Dyke: grid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's from from one into the other with a clear no, the hands were never going backwards. Like the facts are there and you have to distort facts or ignore certain facts to to say certain. And it's like, if you're doing that, you just, it's not, it's makes it worse.
Grumpy Old Prop: So anyway, like, as you said, we could, we could talk about this for, for an entire, and entire pod, but ultimately I think that cheapens the the game itself, at least this game, because it was poorly refed, but it's, it's almost like that, uh, Superbowl with the Steelers and Seahawks where yes, the refs were bad, but they were equally bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And only the losing team really has a bug up their butt about it, even though they got just as many calls their way as, as we're given up.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's like, just shut up, move on, play better. Like you played like ass, like there like certainly in in that in this game, the of the three components to the game that, the you know, Bordeaux, Northampton and the ref, the ref was the worst part.
Grumpy Old Prop: But I still don't think that that he affected he affected the outcome because I think Bordeaux were just such class that they were they were winning that game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Saints, especially with their with their their shorthandedness going in and the two injuries. at this like As soon as Furbank was down, i'm like, well, this game's over.
Jarrod Dyke: couple injuries on that. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: like like Fundamentally, if if Northampton win it, it's a fucking miracle.
Jarrod Dyke: was like, that's bad news, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And unfortunately, a miracle did not occur.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: It would have been awesome, but that was too Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No. We'll get to the zebras in a minute. I do. I do want So let's talk a little bit about Henry Pollock and the Bordeaux treatment of him.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm, and people are just like, oh, they were taunting him. It's fine. Taunt him. Like, let it, let it be, let let that be a thing and let that be an interest story for rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And, but continue to also let Henry Pollock be Henry Pollock because, you know, guys that are willing to be superstars in this league are few and far between, or in this in this sport are few and far between because of the nature of the sport, but at the same time,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: like that's how you can grow a sport you can get people interested in it and you know i fucking hate conor mcgregor but he was one of the biggest things that happened to at the ufc and you know people were interested in it because of a guy like him so while i don't want henry pollock to turn into conor mcgregor please no um
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: the idea behind it is still valid. And I think if Henry Pollard is going to have a celebration where he, know, puts his fingers on his pulse to check and make sure, you know, everyone's breathing and, you know, Hey, go and check your pulse and make sure that the heartbeat's still going.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Cause you ought, you ought to have a heartbeat right now and so on and so forth. So yeah yeah. All right. You want, you want to talk to him a little bit. That's fine. You know, he's a young kid. He can, You can grow from it and learn from it. That's not the issue I have.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The issue I have is Jefferson Poirot putting his hands on Pollock's neck.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: That is a no-no. I'm sorry. I don't care if you're trying to be cute and like pretend to check his pulse. Hands off people's throats, bro.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: That starts fights, hands down.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Next heads.
Jarrod Dyke: And Henry Pollock?
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Croins.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you start doing that shit, you know, people start throwing fists and Pollock reacted and i have no issue with the way he reacted.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, if someone puts their hands on my throat, they'll be lucky to not believe with a bloody nose. Like, I'm usually going to just react very badly and that's not okay and I don't care if I'm the retaliator.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: You're trying to choke me out, I am going to send you into next week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And right.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, that's just how it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: And you there's there's playing around, which obviously and shithousery.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Love it. That adds to the game. You put your hand in and i'll I'll go further than that. Even you put your hands on someone else to do it.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, no, that now you're, now you're going over to taunting and, and, and and there's, there's no need for it.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like if anything, if, if anything, like, yeah, you won, move on.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you won. You won.
Grumpy Old Prop: If anything, you know, we'll be a lot fucking funnier is have a goddamn stethoscope on the sideline, grab the fucking physio stethoscope, but ask me to borrow it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. that That would have been that would been great.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fucking hilarious.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fucking hilarious.
Jarrod Dyke: That would have been creative and that would have hilarious and it would have been totally cool. been like, yeah, all right, this is good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, like, all right.
Jarrod Dyke: This is funny.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because you see, he's walking over with the South.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: yet like there's a There's a lead up to it. And you know what? If you're a good sport, i think Henry Pollock would have been a good sport about it just to be like, fuck. Okay, yeah, let's go. like That's funny. That grows the game and it makes it look good.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: And otherwise, you know now you're you're putting him in a situation where he has to defend himself and nobody looks good from it. So, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: be you know Just like, ah you know as I said, no hands, no heads, no necks, heads, groins, Joe Marler.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um like
Jarrod Dyke: Mm
Grumpy Old Prop: There's funny ways to do things and and and be fucking creative. Don't be don't be crass. Don't be rude. Don't be vulgar. Don't be um disrespectful to someone's personal space like that, especially their vital personal space.
Jarrod Dyke: hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: We don't do that here.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. We want to talk about respect the game. That is disrespectful.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Not Henry Pollock scoring a worldie and then celebrating it in, you know, a great, a great way, a great manner.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and And just a way that is, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be noted for a long time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's not, just that's not disrespecting the game. Shit like that is shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like what poor poor did. So he's been side last night him as well. So that's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Well, I mean, you know, Perot's never been in, you know, he's never been in trouble like, oh, wait a minute.
Jarrod Dyke: o A little bit here, a little bit there.
Grumpy Old Prop: A little
Jarrod Dyke: ah but to put the To end it with ah the lighter note, Damien Pennell riding the zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: bit.
Jarrod Dyke: ah but Oh, man. Were these people not thinking when they put that out there? like There's no way one these idiots is going to climb on this thing, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, they're gonna get drunk. They're gonna be like, hey, this is a good idea.
Jarrod Dyke: like
Grumpy Old Prop: They're gonna get on the zebra.
Jarrod Dyke: They're all going to grab a bottle of champagne start hammering it down and be like, oh, that's a good idea. Let's do this.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: Because you're you're in a great mood. you just you know You do what feels good at the moment when you're in that type of mood. So it's like, this is a great idea.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Let's do this.
Grumpy Old Prop: there was a and You know what? It's a fantastic idea because ah the the visual was awesome. And yeah, I love it. um I just feel bad for this, that the zebra was even there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's...
Jarrod Dyke: Poor zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. make Have a painted horse.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Paint the horse into a zebra.
Jarrod Dyke: he
Grumpy Old Prop: Do something clever, but I don't know. i don't think... I get it It's that they're mascot and everybody gets a little zebra, but you know the man on the match gets his little zebra, but...
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah i don't get ah i've already done the no discrimination i'm not gonna get into animal abuse on this this pod but we're yeah oh it was play oh fuck i didn't mean i only saw pictures i oh okay i turned it off so i i wasn't sure if it was a real i thought it was a real zebra oh good
Jarrod Dyke: Well, it's good thing it was good it's a good thing was plastic.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, it was totally plastic. like
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, no, no, no. They had they had those things on. They're just sitting there. that's why i think that's why you i mean I can't imagine trying to freaking hop onto a fucking zebra, like a wild zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: fuck
Grumpy Old Prop: that's what That's what I wasn't...
Jarrod Dyke: Hell no.
Grumpy Old Prop: i fuck i didn't Like I said, I'd only seen the picture. so I had turned it off by then.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Oh, no, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: so Oh, thank God.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't believe those i don't believe that was a real-life zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: Alright, cool.
Jarrod Dyke: in No way.
Grumpy Old Prop: We don't have to go into that then.
Jarrod Dyke: That would be crazy.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, holy shit
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh yeah, then definitely somebody's getting on... Getting on the zebra, if it's just a plastic zebra, that that's the least of my concerns.
Jarrod Dyke: shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's way...
Jarrod Dyke: Following off on the other side, it might be a different story.
Grumpy Old Prop: Way worse than could have happened to that that plastic zebra. Yeah, exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Oh, Jesus Christ, yes. Yeah, they'll let him take it back into the locker room.
Grumpy Old Prop: Very quickly.
Jarrod Dyke: That's where it goes bad. That's where it goes really bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: turns into like hangover shit. Like, yeah, look at me. I'm fucking the tiger.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah exactly
Jarrod Dyke: and
Grumpy Old Prop: just
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. That's where that goes badly. Very quickly that.
Grumpy Old Prop: very quickly
Jarrod Dyke: So no, no, no, that was, that was cool.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. I'm okaym i'm thank i'mm glad we had this chat because that that I've been i'd been upset about this thing for for like semi-upset.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Grumpy Old Prop: Like this is hilarious, but also kind of upsetting. And now I can just find it hilarious and not have to worry about the moral implications.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, no, no. I'm pretty sure that was a plastic zebra.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah thought
Jarrod Dyke: Oh man.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Oh, man. Let's go to Supers. We'll look at that real quick.
Jarrod Dyke: First one of the weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: I tried watching this match. I really, I really did. i think I watched the first half hour and I'm like, um, this sucks.
Jarrod Dyke: I had it on the background.
Jarrod Dyke: I was following the little guy around. I had it on the background. I'm probably, I'm pretty happy. That's what I did instead of trying to intently watch this match.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I must've watched at least the first half cause I saw the Joan of Lowe try, but I, I think it was, you know, I don't know. I think I did what maybe into the second half and I'm like, this is just not going anywhere.
Jarrod Dyke: No, it wasn't, it wasn't good at all. um Highlanders. I thought that was going to be better out of them and the season. And they just,
Jarrod Dyke: Quite frankly, been a disappointment.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, I didn't think they would be much better than this this season. So I'm kind of, I was hoping, but that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: I was hoping they'd be better. Well, they're freaking... think they'd be bottom of the table.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fair. I thought they'd be the the worst team in in um and New Zealand, but that's, you know, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I thought they'd be at least be in the hunt.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, you got your wish on that one.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: You definitely got your wish on that one.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah they've had some shock. They have had some shocking losses that then they should not be bottom of the table. That's fair.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and they've they've they they were talking about it during the match. Like, they've lost close games, but they've lost a lot of close games.
Grumpy Old Prop: of
Jarrod Dyke: And that's, you hope that that turns into something different next season, but next season's a long way away. We'll see.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. there's even a thing about that in in NFL where it's like, if, if you know the amount of close games you win is it actually an act, there's like something about how you can, you can more accurately predict the next season because of it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cause like they, there's like, um, you know, close wins, close losses, things like that, where it, it, it translates.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So if you, if like close losses, you have a lot of close losses, it means you could be good the next year. Um, It ups your percentage, but I don't know that that's going to help the Highland. They have they have so many holes right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But again, they got they got a very young team that can get better.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So they've got they've got you know some pieces there. I mean, you know they've got some olders around the the team, but...
Jarrod Dyke: Others less so.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, you know, like, like low, uh, but, um, you know, Tevitev and Aoi is experienced. He could, he could, you know, be sticking around. He could be a long-term or guy, at least medium term.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Ratsumo Tevuki-Nipkin's obviously a long-term guy, but man, they, they definitely need some flankers.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Bad.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they need some back rowers big time. side TK out and the potential was there for him, but he hasn't performed at all.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: I think that's fair to say.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And they need a nine.
Jarrod Dyke: and just yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Fakatawa is MLR quality still.
Jarrod Dyke: i think they um I think they have Nines that have moments. for Fakatava, Hasty.
Jarrod Dyke: Was the young kid's name Lennox or something like that?
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know. i I'd rather have ah Cam than Fakatawa. That's just me. I
Jarrod Dyke: For reference, he's referring to Cam Narley-Calimetti.
Grumpy Old Prop: i am
Jarrod Dyke: Just so everyone knows. To so Brizzy.
Jarrod Dyke: And i Yeah, color me glad. i was i was pretty happy with the performance.
Grumpy Old Prop: As you should be.
Jarrod Dyke: But the boys...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah they You know, this is one of those ones that it definitely felt like the Reds probably should won this game, but we've lost a few games where it felt like we should have won, so I'm glad we were able to snap it from them and say, yes, later, bitches, we out.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: know, Brendan Inofo, yeah, awesome. Brett Cameron being back. Holy shit. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw him on the team sheet the other week. I was just like, yes, that dude's not supposed to be here. this is awesome. So now Ruben Lyft can play his natural position. I think he's actually there this week.
Jarrod Dyke: um He's playing fullback this week. So that only helps this team going forward. Billy Proctor coming back is huge as well, obviously.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's been massive.
Jarrod Dyke: He's been absolutely great. And, you know, the back row has been playing well. It sucks that we don't have Yose for a little while, but i'm I'm kind of excited about Flanders coming back, honestly. i was like, oh, I forgot about him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: he's He was broken for a little while. So he's sub-quality for sure, but still, like, there's not as much drop-off on it as there could have been if they were looking at pulling in, you know, a pup that isn't ready.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um And Reds, you know, we're going to go back to, um you know, making something that'll come up a little later, but kicking for posts instead of going for the corner.
Jarrod Dyke: The first two times all year they kick for posts. Like...
Grumpy Old Prop: and you lose by four, four points, which means, which means if you went and scored tries on both of those, even if you didn't convert, that's, that's a tie game.
Jarrod Dyke: Ah! I...
Grumpy Old Prop: And if you converted one, you win. And, and they were, they, the thing is, and, and I don't think you're going to disagree with me on this, but at the time they were out playing the hurricanes.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Then to almost.
Jarrod Dyke: Momentum was with him and I was kind of pooping myself a little bit. I was like, ah, crap.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: This is not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, you know, Tate McDermott's try, ah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, please. i want some more of that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um But then, yeah, the post was just...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It didn't make sense because you're out playing the team, the other team, you're getting more possession and you have the possession. And all you're doing is then losing...
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know You're you getting your three, but then you're given you're essentially giving away possession. And you know against a team that scores tries for fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And just...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we don't... The times we kick for three, I'm usually scratching my head like, why are we doing this? We're better at the other thing. Stop doing this. We don't have great goal kickers right now, mind you, although Brett Cameron, if he shakes off the rust, he is a very good goal kicker.
Jarrod Dyke: But other than that, we don't have a reason to sit there and say, yeah, let's go for posts every time. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: What are we doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: That's like when we... we we yeah we'll We'll come to it later, but we we talked to one of the Freezaks after the match.
Jarrod Dyke: Guys...
Grumpy Old Prop: um Just to ask, we needed to know.
Jarrod Dyke: Mmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And it was the same thing. it was like, who? it was like that scene in Do You Good Man? Who ordered the code red? Like, who? who
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Whose call was that kick for posts? and And he answered honestly.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh-huh.
Grumpy Old Prop: And and there was clearly... unhappiness with and and and and and it was for same same reason you know kicking for three just feels like some people are either a trying to be national team or you know test coaches and think that's the way it goes although even at that level it's fucking stupid um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or B, like I think in this case, i think everybody was saying that, oh, Lina um needs to make his case for the Wallabies that he can kick. So this is now you like you're this is why I hate when, you know, national team coaches do shit like this.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, I'm not going to select you unless I see you do this in a game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like.
Jarrod Dyke: Because, you know, he plays so poorly elsewise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And, and bitch, he's kicking for posts after tries. That's, that's, that's one less point. What the fuck does it matter? What are you trying to, what are you trying to find out? Really? What are you trying to find out with that? Oh, can he, can he, can he actually kick?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, bitch, he can kick. Like, stop. fuck Like, if that's the case, if, if the Reds kicked for posts because um Joe Schmidt wants to see Tom Lina kick for posts,
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck? Like, right.
Jarrod Dyke: be the stupidest fucking reason to give away a game.
Grumpy Old Prop: If I'm the Reds coach, I'm like, fuck that. i don't give a fuck what you want to see from this guy.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Make me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, you yeah, watch it watch watch him kick.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Watch him kick our conversions. If that's not good enough for you, then fuck you.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I got a team. I got to win. Yeah. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Unless Kiss is going into that job next, by the way.
Grumpy Old Prop: that
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, there's no then there's no fucking point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And especially, you know, you're this could have that this is been that was basically almost almost for fourth. You're going to give away a home match, potentially, for behind that?
Jarrod Dyke: um top Top three.
Grumpy Old Prop: Top three? Oh, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Top three hosts.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Then it's and it's all balls anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, top three hosts.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're you're not you're not catching the Brumbies, so...
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fine.
Jarrod Dyke: No, they blew that the ble that the previous week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But still, if you're only just playing for, you know, shits and giggles, just, you know, go for it.
Grumpy Old Prop: But still. For pride, but still.
Jarrod Dyke: and Jesus, there's no point in it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho...
Jarrod Dyke: Anywho.
Grumpy Old Prop: But good on the the hurricanes showed up.
Jarrod Dyke: So...
Grumpy Old Prop: Speaking of showing up and not showing up.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, they did. Yes, they did. And not showing up. Disappointment, like... Man, like, after the Superman performance that Artie Simeo put forward the week before, or two weeks before, whatever the fuck it was, this is just really disheartening in a lot of ways.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: i was like, okay, yeah I'm sitting here thinking, alright, here we go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, they're gonna give these guys a hell of a game, and this is gonna be fun to watch. It was fun to watch, but if you're only if you're from a certain perspective.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah but Yeah, but I turned it off.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, you know, say a neutral or if you were Chiefs fan.
Jarrod Dyke: ah thats says a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think after the the um the the Carter try about 59 minutes, I don't even think I made it. Actually, i don't think I made it that far. It might have been the first 53 minute try. And I was like, you know what?
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't need to see this anymore. It's, it's, I, it was so uncomfortable for me to see Moana getting just pounded like that without really putting up much of a fight.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I'm like, this is not,
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm good.
Jarrod Dyke: Sad.
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm I'm going to close the book on this one. And the worst part is like, it doesn't matter how good the the chief's performances was. its It was just against it. They were playing on air, unfortunately, except for the, the you know, obviously he already got his try um because he's going to, and he's going to,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Artie's always going to get his.
Grumpy Old Prop: right um you know we didn't get to to you know when we will get to player of the week obviously even even in the well the the game last week where they lost the blues i believe and he was still the best player oh no they beat the blues sorry um but he was the the best player on the on any field anywhere in the world that day um and you know he's still good but damn 85 fuck off
Jarrod Dyke: They beat the Blues. That was what referencing before.
Jarrod Dyke: Wow, head and shoulders. Yeah, no doubt.
Jarrod Dyke: Man, that's a kick right in the pants too. so I almost wonder if there's a point where they're like, all right, we're fucked. Let's look to next week because that's our that's our last shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: And I don't know if that was ever... I imagine at some point that entered Tanumaga's mind. But...
Jarrod Dyke: Man, still the ship 85 is pretty...
Grumpy Old Prop: It's hard.
Jarrod Dyke: Ouch.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's okay, good. Let's make the play. Let's, let's do what we can to make the playoffs, but look who you're playing in the first match.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: If you make it like, uh,
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna know it.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Godspeed. Godspeed, everyone. Good luck. um Yeah, and then kind of a wet sloppy one out in Perth.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, as ah it seems like it always is.
Jarrod Dyke: course
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Seems to be the theme out there. But it goes to super point. I mean, it wasn't this was not a classic by any means whatsoever. The conditions didn't help. yeah know There comes a point where they're just banging the ball back and forth and just like hoping someone fucks up.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's like, okay, this is now exactly what I don't like in rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-mm.
Jarrod Dyke: It's like, oh, guys, come on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Come on. Help me out of here.
Jarrod Dyke: But they, I mean, Taz wanted to keep themselves alive.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-mm.
Jarrod Dyke: Man, if they lost. Dan McKellar was ready throw chairs before. I can only imagine what would have happened otherwise. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, and now they're in a position where um almost it's all depending on, you know, obviously Moana has something to say about it, but the game next week between Taz Blues is probably going to be winner goes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Winner moves on.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, we'll talk about that during the pick of them and see if we got there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, it does. um that And that ends the fourth season as is too. So that's, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not sure they would have been really in the hunt per se had they won, but.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, it's it's all it was all academic before then anyway, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. So that leaves them there. And, you know, it's them Highlanders and to an extent the Blues, talking about the Force, the Druah as well, were just, you know, they left it too late.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: they got They took way too long to get themselves going and didn't do themselves justice.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So they they are they earn they've earned where they are. Plain and simple.
Grumpy Old Prop: ye
Jarrod Dyke: Plain and simple.
Jarrod Dyke: right, superlatives,
Jarrod Dyke: folks that outdid themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: I'd say... I can't even say any of the Chiefs. Because no. um
Jarrod Dyke: Seemed to expect it at at some point, right?
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah. um but Like... and Again, playing a little bit on air. I'd say Ruben Love had ah had himself quite a game.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. but yeah um Guy in space is bad news. like and that's And that's why I'm glad he'll be able to, I think, yeah, like I said, i think this week he's going to fullback.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's going to help him and and the team in general and, you give them ah someone to get.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he was serviceable once he got settled into that 10 role, but really his best position is fullback.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Him in space with, you know some of the guys that they have available to them for wings is going to help tremendously to say the least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I don't disagree there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he played well. be silly not to mention Penault and his outstanding performance.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah But did he... I mean, yeah, i obviously he deserves a mention. It's like, i don't know that was an outdoing themselves. That's just Pino being Pino.
Jarrod Dyke: That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point. Coles.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Colts, yeah, that that was going to be my, you know, getting two tries, playing six, playing it very well. The guy's a fucking class player. I'm guessing he better be on the plane.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: To the Americas, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, because he's he's
Jarrod Dyke: Wish they were playing one of those matches closer to here.
Grumpy Old Prop: kind of, yeah, that would be nice. ah um But yeah, he hadn he had himself a hell of a game and in the loss.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yeah. um As much as I shat on Tane Robinson, I thought played pretty well for the but the Highlanders.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The 10.
Grumpy Old Prop: don't.
Jarrod Dyke: Then they pulled him. ah It looked like he picked up something, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Because if he didn't, I wouldn't have pulled him.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Because Cam Miller ended up hitting missing the game-tying the game tying penalty shot there so oops and thank you being an UFO for finally being what I wanted you to be and just doing the job that I asked you that you're asked to do put the damn ball down when it do in the place that it counts the most okay okay that's your job don't try and do more uh
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean long list of shats it
Grumpy Old Prop: um I did the kind the the whole ref thing combination that denied Pollock that try.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Boo. just for that Just for that one segment.
Jarrod Dyke: All you.
Grumpy Old Prop: I didn't like that.
Jarrod Dyke: All you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, all you.
Jarrod Dyke: All you.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: Shame.
Grumpy Old Prop: You shat yourself in in that moment. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know we didn't ah we ah We didn't do the MLR whip around. um
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, we didn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, that's all right.
Jarrod Dyke: That's all right. Because ah we can spit it.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'd say the the Free Jacks fucking spit the bit.
Jarrod Dyke: um here I mean, talked about a significant moment that caused that that possibly cost us the game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, okay. There was that they were, they're up seven, nothing and just dominating play and they they kick for posts and miss. And, um, right off of that, they're off, off the, uh, the 22 drop,
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um shit, you know, the sequence after that ended up, uh, uh, in the, right.
Jarrod Dyke: Putting DC in the right and the and the wrong end right slash right end of the the field.
Grumpy Old Prop: So it's, um, yeah, but then they, scored and then they scored off of it. So it was like off of that, whatever the, the next you know couple sequences of play ended with, with a try.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, well, you gave, you know, had the opportunity to go into the corner and the ref was ah was massively against, you know, in your favor and and you just let them off. And even if you'd hit it, I don't, like the defense has to feel consider it a win.
Grumpy Old Prop: Even if it was 10-0, you'd still consider it a win. And it's...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, the the momentum and the way they were just getting put pressure on them, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I think that there are some coaches just... um And, you know we were told that came from the top. So that decision came from the top.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: The players were against it. And it's like, that's the other thing is the players want to go for the corner.
Jarrod Dyke: Players wanted to go for the corner. Their players were into it.
Grumpy Old Prop: You let them back themselves, especially against ah an inferior opponent.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Don't play that fucking cute game. um
Jarrod Dyke: No, yeah, no, that's
Grumpy Old Prop: So that's that's the one. So Jess asked me the other day, she's like, you know, how do you yeah how do you feel about Ryan Martin compared to Matthew? And unfortunately, you know, that's that's always going to be the comparison here.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And it's like, you know, i at first I liked Martin a lot more than Matt because I didn't know Matthew that well and I've seen what Martin's doing.
Jarrod Dyke: As of right now, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it's like, you know, they want under Matthew. And Martin, there' he every so often he does some things where the players just don't show up in key games or like there's just something missing there where it's like I think he's trying to
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he might be looking for the next opportunity rather than coaching what's in front of him. um You know, same thing, like I said, but about the others with, with the you know, with line of kicking.
Jarrod Dyke: Which is a shame.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, it's the game. Game matters. Manage the game. Let the players, yeah, back the players. So, he's my shat it.
Jarrod Dyke: Please. Yep. Yeah, he shatted bit. No doubt. um Anyone you want to throw into Coach Young, player, ref category there?
Grumpy Old Prop: No, I don't think there were, I don't think there was any poorly coach. I mean, for the saints, for everything that happened, I think that, you know, they, they were well coached. They were well prepared for that.
Grumpy Old Prop: There was as prepared as they could be given, given their injuries.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And, um, and they showed up, they, they played their balls off in a, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, and you know it's sometimes you have seasons where you you know things aren't going well in your club competition, and it it does translate. And the Saints have rocked up every game in the and the Champions Cup, no matter what's happening in the Prem.
Grumpy Old Prop: And this was no different. So good on them.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: this this could have been This could have been a lot uglier, then especially the last couple of weeks with that, or the last couple rounds where you beat Leinster.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it could have been.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's that's a thing.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a thing. Tis a thing. um
Jarrod Dyke: Trial Week?
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, shoot. I mentioned it earlier. Fuck, which match? Which match? Which match? I didn't write it down. That was my fault. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Was it the...
Jarrod Dyke: One Super Rugby one's there.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think it was one Super Rugby. I think it was the Reds. I think it was the Tate McDermott try.
Jarrod Dyke: Tate.
Grumpy Old Prop: that The first one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, that's a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: That was a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was a fucking excellent one. Actually, the second one was good, too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But I think... the Was it the first one where there was like just tons of interplay and he just finished it?
Jarrod Dyke: He was good on the day for sure.
Grumpy Old Prop: um with a long run.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: like i think there was there was some line breakage and then some good play afterwards and then he just finished it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Yes. it was great.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, that was obviously we'd love the team tries here at the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. So um especially when it's finished by like beautifully by a scrum half running in the open.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's that's always a lot of fun. The Kobus Rhynek special.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. um
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, his dad was a sprinter.
Jarrod Dyke: Didn't hear that 10 times when he was in the prim, Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i So I had two kind of in my head. um
Jarrod Dyke: the The Carter try where Satiti had the heads upness to grab the kick.
Grumpy Old Prop: her
Jarrod Dyke: I was like was like, he's in front of everyone, but it's all play on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So run Wallace, run, and Leroy Carter ended up being the one to finish it. um i ah that I really appreciated that. But I like the Coles second try. There was a lot of ball movement. I think it was the offload at the end from Slate home and that that put Coles away, and Coles was in good support.
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah, that was pretty that was pretty awesome.
Grumpy Old Prop: Didn't Coles nutmeg somebody for his first try, too?
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, went through the wickets.
Grumpy Old Prop: that you'd never you'd never see that so that's always fun and a true nu met like ah try and nutmeg nutmeg i i don't know how to how else to say that but yeah grounded it right through someone's legs real fun um
Jarrod Dyke: true to wick
Jarrod Dyke: What are you going to do unless you're one of the, I mean, unless you had the wherewithal to get yourself already low and put hands on the floor, you're SOL.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah right yeah
Jarrod Dyke: You can't do anything down there. It's like a hockey goalie when the puck's right between their legs. It's like, uh-oh, I am in so much trouble here.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Jarrod Dyke: I can't play that, but also it's right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Not good. Not good. So, that yeah, it's really good. Um, anyway, um, player week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Pinal.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: best player Best player on the field as he usually is in it in a Champions Cup final.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Pinal.
Jarrod Dyke: Hard to say otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Honestly, there wasn't that, like, outside of that match, there really wasn't much competition for it, to be blunt.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh,
Jarrod Dyke: no, no. Well, painfully I went with, um, Portia Woodman-Wickliffe scoring seven tries.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, that's a longer story that we cannot get into right now because we'll be here until tomorrow morning.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, yeah, she deserves, obviously. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, let's not do that to ourselves. But she did score seven. So, um...
Grumpy Old Prop: And so much that she didn't even know how many she scored. Did you see that clip of her after the match? She's like, i lost track of how many I scored.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And and ah think Alice Soper was like, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a bad... When someone says that, that's like, ooh, that's not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Alice Soper, the the um the journalist, was like, seven.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: She's like, seven? It's like, fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: I like Alice.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck off. And I saw like the top five...
Jarrod Dyke: She's funny.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Tri-scored in one match um of all time and in women's rugby, and Portia Woodman-Woodcliffe has three of those top five.
Grumpy Old Prop: think She scored eight once and seven twice, or maybe seven three times.
Jarrod Dyke: That sounds right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That sounds right. That sounds right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Dick of the
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, it was, um hold on, the because this is this is actually would have been second week in a row, um Pellegrini from Moana with two really bad ah cards earned in in a row.
Jarrod Dyke: oh Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, you know, last week maybe there were there were there were alternates, Luke Pierce. um This week, yeah I think because of of, you know, you did it, you fucked around last week, you do it again this week, no, you're you're dick of the week.
Jarrod Dyke: Dick of the week. I gave it to Hamish Stewart, who scored.
Grumpy Old Prop: <unk>
Jarrod Dyke: And the guy's legs taken out from him, and shit happens. Like, it's wet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, no shit. And he hums the ball at Fergus Lee Warner. It's like, you wonder why that shit kicked off. He got penalized, actually.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Thank you, Gus Gardner, for being on that. Also, Gus Gardner picked up on Champion D'Krebny's shithousery, and I'm glad, because he's a shithouser only.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah There's nothing else there that he is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. here's a So here's a question.
Jarrod Dyke: so
Grumpy Old Prop: Sorry. I know i know we're we're outside of that. um range, but it goes back to an earlier point.
Jarrod Dyke: That's right.
Grumpy Old Prop: is Is Gus Gardner slowly becoming one of the better refs in the world?
Jarrod Dyke: Absolutely. I consider him top five easily. I like him a lot. he had ah He has blunders. There's no question about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and ah and and and
Grumpy Old Prop: think so does Luke Pierce, as we're saying, so.
Jarrod Dyke: But I think for the most part, right, I think for the most part, and really when we're looking at refereeing and not to get too far into the stuff we talked about before, but when we're looking at refereeing, one of the biggest things that I judge on is what do you do in those big decisions?
Jarrod Dyke: Can you get them right? And can you, you know, do it in a way like, like, can you arrive at the correct decision? And you know, if it's, and especially in the tight margin ones, it's like, Oh, is that, ah is that enough? Is it, isn't it? And you know, it's, it's hard. Like, can you get it right more often than not for me, just gets it right.
Jarrod Dyke: So he has moments where I'm just like, Oh gosh, what the fuck you doing? and
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And makes me want to tear my hair out. But for the most part, those moments are rare compared to someone like James Dolman, who's absolute dog shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And you know, the likes.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Fjarty and all that level. All
Jarrod Dyke: Oh Lord. Yeah, exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: all right, moving on.
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah like um All right, to start.
Jarrod Dyke: Pick. Um, okay. So we got some tables to figure out here. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: You want to start with supers then? Or we how are we doing this?
Jarrod Dyke: no ill No, I mean, we kind of got to figure them both out.
Grumpy Old Prop: OK, well, that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: Because they are, this is the ultimate week week for the rounds, and then we start knockouts for both comps here.
Jarrod Dyke: So for the Prim. So Bathour won no matter what.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Leicester, let's go through it as the teams are listed. So Leicester are playing Newcastle. We can assume they're at least going to get four out of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they're in.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's going to be there. and And that's probably them hosting a home home semifinal here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So job done there. Then becomes the fun stuff. Sale, Bristol, Gloucester and series all within touching distance of each other.
Jarrod Dyke: um I just don't know. The one team I think that will do the job is Quinn's potentially could could upend Bristol.
Grumpy Old Prop: Sale. Right. Oh, that. Yes. Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know. As much as I believe, I just don't see how Exeter do it. Let's just...
Grumpy Old Prop: No, there's no.
Jarrod Dyke: Sale out can do the same things that Exeter do better, and then they can do the other stuff.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm. Yeah. that i That I sort of can.
Jarrod Dyke: So...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And Exeter can't do that shit. So I think Sale is in. They're going to they're goingnna play Leicester probably.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Probably at... They're probably going sneak in at like 59 points because they'll probably get four tries, I'm guessing. So then it's a matter of Bristol... Quinns.
Jarrod Dyke: Here's the thing.
Jarrod Dyke: What's the thing that's keeping Gloucester and Saris apart right now? I need to look.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Gloucester have but its point differential.
Jarrod Dyke: Is it wins? Or is it point differential?
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Gloucester are plus 74, Saracen are plus 30.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man. and and i Gloucester may sneak in, is what I'm saying, because Saints are probably naming a no-name team this week.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's my thought exactly.
Jarrod Dyke: So... with that. And I would not be shocked if Bristol got overturned by Quinns.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, you're you're youre you're you're basically stating my pick-em.
Jarrod Dyke: Does the Quinns have that?
Grumpy Old Prop: um if we go yeah If I go through it, um i have I have Harlequins beating Bristol.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there you go.
Grumpy Old Prop: I have Sale beating Exeter. have Gloucester beating Northampton. Obviously, Leicester beats Newcastle at home. And I have Saris beating Beth.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I think Beth, or good like again, just in case you don't know, and right all these games kick off at the same time. So you don't know who's doing what. I still think if if anything, if I'm um Van Grand, I'm looking at this saying, I have a free look at potentially my opponent. you know if Basically, if if Bristol and Gloucester spit the bit and Saris get in, this is my first round opponent.
Grumpy Old Prop: And i can get a free look at them starting a change team.
Jarrod Dyke: right
Grumpy Old Prop: give my guys a little bit of rest and and fucking hammer them. Like, the Tarasins are going to give their best. They have to now because they fucking borked it last week a the last round.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Yeah, last round.
Grumpy Old Prop: This is... Thanks, Dix.
Jarrod Dyke: Woo!
Jarrod Dyke: Motor Speedway over there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Hope everyone else heard that besides Woo!
Grumpy Old Prop: I hope the fucking...
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: which is weird because usually that there's i see a lot of cops patrolling this area. so um Because we're right on we're right down the road from them. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a cop go by in in the next couple of minutes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Anyway, um but yeah you get a free look at Saris, who might be your first-round opponent. They're going to send their best. You can get a free look at it.
Grumpy Old Prop: It doesn't matter if you win or lose. You're locked into the number one anyway. so um that's what i That's what I think might happen there, but I also think that um Gloucester are going to make that a non-factor.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm probably right. um Okay, so there's that. So we've got Ben and I are in agreement on
Grumpy Old Prop: So, Saris end up at fifth, which, you know what, though? But that's, again, preseason, you know, for those of us who are Saris fans.
Jarrod Dyke: We were talking about that would be a fine finish, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Is it a little disappointing after the way they kind of responded? Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But really, looking back at our preseason, we're like, bit this livable.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yes. and And, you know, and ultimately do the, you know, do the deed in, um and Newcastle too.
Jarrod Dyke: You know who ain't going to play fucking Champions Cup rugby next year?
Grumpy Old Prop: How are you going to lose to fucking Newcastle? Even if it's away, you're one of their two wins on the season.
Jarrod Dyke: In Newcastle. Yeah, that's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Fucking sit on that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, ah you know, Northampton, that game aside, the Newcastle game is, is the, the, the massive disappointment.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and coughing up both to Quinn's was painful too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But again, almost to be, you know, one of those kind of to be expected. Like I'm okay with it. I'm much more okay with it than than than the Newcastle because, you know, they there're even if they're sitting on 55 points, they're in the now they're in the driver's seat like this, you know, this week.
Jarrod Dyke: agreed. ah Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And there's a lot of a different story here. So, you know, and then obviously if they're 56 because of that, because if they get, you know, if they got the bonus point, um if they played well against Newcastle, that now are even different.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Now they're they're looking at, you they're locked in. It's just, you know, are they home or away?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, problems.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but at least Exeter won't be playing in the Champions Cup Rugby next year and shaming that competition with their bullshit.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's true.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: right. So yeah, Ben and I are in agreement. Sale, Gloucester, Leicester, Quinn's, and Saracens.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: All right. Super. I'm super. Thanks for asking.
Jarrod Dyke: right Chiefs have Highlanders. I'm sure they'll do the job there sir for at least four, which means Chiefs end up one, without a doubt.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Crusaders are at the Brumbies, which will be interesting because that could be a semifinal preview at some point.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um And winner will end up in either two or three.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's a, yup.
Jarrod Dyke: So that'll be interesting.
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Crusaders have have rocked up when at when asked in big moments, so I think the Crusaders do it, and they're going to get two.
Grumpy Old Prop: I have the Brumbies winning.
Jarrod Dyke: Do you?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. I believe in them more right now.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: I still I still feel like the Crusaders are a little bit fraudulent.
Jarrod Dyke: They may well be, but so far they haven't been so bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: I know I'm just I'm not. um I'm not feeling it with them yet.
Jarrod Dyke: I ain't feeling it, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's like there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'm not saying that they're going to be the Crusaders of old, but...
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Okay. Hurricanes have Moana and can make break a lot of hearts, but quite frankly, i would i'm i would rather stay at four and play whoever that middle seed is next next week than whoever ends up two.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah, please. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I have the, i have the, I'm not playing Moana. I think that, uh, um, again, Moana have been good, but, don't think they've been quite good enough and the Canes have been pretty on point the last couple weeks.
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, the last few weeks they definitely responded.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Started the season a little meh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I got to say that there's there's the the one team as as a chief supporter that makes me nervous out of these playoff contenders is the Hurricanes.
Grumpy Old Prop: And.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, they go as Cam and Dewey go.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They both play of their brains, then they got good shots. But if they don't, then let's see.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they've already jumped up and and nipped the Chiefs for one this year, so.
Jarrod Dyke: that dead that was well that but That helped Sikaris playoff rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: had Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That was huge.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I don't think, yeah, I think they're going to, and maybe Moana come back after last week, but but play better.
Jarrod Dyke: so
Jarrod Dyke: And play better, at least. i don't think there's a question about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Yeah, they'll play, they certainly will play better. I just don't think it's going to be enough.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, understandable. Reds probably beat the Druah, unfortunately.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: so That means... Blues-Taz, which is the first game on Saturday for us.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Who's going to take it? Blues or War-Taz?
Grumpy Old Prop: And I have ah have the Blues because they're at home.
Jarrod Dyke: For all the marbles.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's probably what's going to do it.
Jarrod Dyke: I can tell you, whoever the hell's won, whether it's the Chiefs or the Crusaders, they're going to be fuck.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: God damn it, why?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, okay, so put put it this way. you know Obviously, I think the the Chiefs are going to do the job with with the Highlanders. I would much rather see the Waratahs, but I think it's going to be the Blues.
Jarrod Dyke: Obviously. right I can carry on that one. So you and I are one different. I think the Crusaders will do the job. But you believe the Brumbies will keep GIO as a fort.
Grumpy Old Prop: And I got the Brahms.
Jarrod Dyke: That's okay.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, there's that. um We'll quickly spin ourselves over to the fantasy corner. If you're going to join us there, we'll see you there. If not, appreciate you joining us. Thanks for being patient with us as we work through our parenthood shit, and we'll catch you guys next week, hopefully.
Jarrod Dyke: Have a good one, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
