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Season 7- Episode 22- Sh*ts & G*ggles (Champions Cup Final & Super Rugby Round 15)
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We return from a mini-hiatus! On this episode, we are discussing the Champions Cup Final that was, and what a doozy. We cover things from the game, the officials and the aftermath (goods & bads). Then, we jump into the land of Super Rugby, limited games, but still plenty to talk about including the big one in Brisbane. It's all this and so much more, grab something cold to drink and join us fam!
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Transcript
Opening Remarks and Apologies
00:00:28
Jarrod Dyke
Hey you everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:33
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, good I mean, we question whether or not we're we're here sometimes.
00:00:36
Grumpy Old Prop
God damn it. Who wrote the question mark? and We're actually doing this.
00:00:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sorry but sorry we've been absent, guys.
00:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:00:43
Jarrod Dyke
There's
Parenting Challenges During a Storm
00:00:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:00:46
Jarrod Dyke
things happening over on this side.
00:00:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Being parents and whatnot is not easy, especially when they're but we're both parents of the kids, the same age, like literally the same
00:00:49
Jarrod Dyke
um there Yeah, yeah, and...
00:00:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and the there was a Norreaster here, which if you don't know what that is, ah it's cold, it's windy, and it's a shit ton rain.
00:00:59
Grumpy Old Prop
There was that too.
00:01:03
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah so that was pretty shit and so it's like a combination of small children and can't take them outside can't really do anything um it means they have a lot of energy and that means that we do do not
00:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
And that sucked.
00:01:12
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:01:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
Rugby Disruptions Due to Weather
00:01:19
Jarrod Dyke
on last Thursday, like I was dealing with like five different headaches because of the the storm.
00:01:24
Jarrod Dyke
trying to play, like, we had to we had to play in it, and so was like, oh. Came out on the right side.
00:01:24
Grumpy Old Prop
right plus your game and yeah
00:01:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I was like, and I think jared's playing to yeah eric Jared's team's playing today. i would go, but I'm not standing outside in this. So I'm just going to sit here and and not be outside.
00:01:37
Jarrod Dyke
No, I don't, I, as an unpaid volunteer, I don't blame you one bit.
00:01:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:01:45
Jarrod Dyke
I felt bad for, like, the admins that had to be there, because there were playoff implications, so all our, like, a couple of our ADs had to be there.
00:01:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
It was like, oh But we won, and justly, we are the we have the number two
Engagement and Support Call
00:02:00
Jarrod Dyke
seed in the tournament. So it'll be good going forward here.
00:02:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is excellent, but well, earn well, earned well done to the the Brookline kids.
00:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
Hopefully. Hopefully.
00:02:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:02:09
Grumpy Old Prop
They've been doing a good job.
00:02:09
Jarrod Dyke
Boys are playing great. Yeah, boys are playing brilliantly. ah Our 10 helps. so
00:02:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, please.
00:02:21
Jarrod Dyke
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00:02:30
Jarrod Dyke
you know me? Is there hole in this thing? Like one that's not supposed to be there?
00:02:37
Jarrod Dyke
It's like leaking down the side. There's one where it's supposed to be, but I'm questioning whether or not there's another one because it just seemed to like find another avenue besides the one I was going for here.
00:02:37
Grumpy Old Prop
There's at least one.
00:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
the only one.
00:02:51
Jarrod Dyke
ah ah make sure that you buy our good friend George, the fancy rugby geek, a coffee or beer, um especially if some of you are winning competitions, covid um or, you know, in contention and or simply just haven't suffered a forfeit because you've listened to George's advice.
00:03:08
Jarrod Dyke
You owe him one of those, please. Okay. all agree on that.
00:03:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Yes.
Critique of Trans Athlete Policies
00:03:15
Jarrod Dyke
There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor nor should there be in sports or in life.
00:03:21
Jarrod Dyke
As we were talking, like, we had something last week were going to do, and we were going try save it, and then Ben's like, there's been so much shit, I actually forgot it, which is sad.
00:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:03:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, I can't remember if we talked about the um not away the the plantation house that burned down. It's been too long anyway.
00:03:36
Jarrod Dyke
a little bit, I think so.
00:03:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay, cool. um Anyway, the one that I wanted to to talk about this week was so I think one of the last times we talked about it about or had this segment anyway, because we potted was um to to shit on Keir Starmer for being a dick and
00:03:40
Jarrod Dyke
At least you and I did.
00:03:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:03:57
Grumpy Old Prop
being a transphobe and and all that business. And um but we're bringing it bringing it back to stateside and talking about Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, who basically did the same thing and is basically banning trans um transgendered people from um playing sports under their
00:04:02
Jarrod Dyke
Because they're harming so many people out there.
00:04:21
Grumpy Old Prop
um there transgender, like their actual, you know, their, their, how they, you know, feel their biology is and and how they identify.
00:04:29
Jarrod Dyke
Identified.
00:04:31
Jarrod Dyke
yep
00:04:31
Grumpy Old Prop
and And he's not letting it happen.
00:04:33
Grumpy Old Prop
He's saying, Nope, bush it depends on the, it, it, the noise the fuck out of me. Cause they're talking about, you know, I've seen all these stats and it's like,
Debate on Safety vs. Discrimination
00:04:43
Grumpy Old Prop
we're talking about a handful of people.
00:04:45
Jarrod Dyke
I think I saw something. It was like 10 in all of the high school athletes in
00:04:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:04:53
Jarrod Dyke
California's like schools. We're talking about maybe 10 people.
00:04:56
Grumpy Old Prop
And right. And like the fact that there's like so much else that's happening in the world.
00:05:01
Jarrod Dyke
It's absurd.
00:05:04
Grumpy Old Prop
This is this is what you, you know, are again, our health care system kills know nationally, like about 70,000 people a year because they can't afford care. And we have like ice storming and, and, you know kidnapping people um under the guise of, of immigration, you know, protecting our borders.
00:05:14
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:05:17
Jarrod Dyke
No, in fact.
00:05:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Just fucking stupid anyway.
00:05:29
Jarrod Dyke
Kiss my ass. Yeah,
00:05:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, the biggest thing you have to deal with is, is trans athletes.
00:05:36
Jarrod Dyke
that's yeah that's where you're going to go with?
00:05:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Like this is the, and, but the thing is it only feeds into transphobia. It only feeds into bigotry and it only makes, vulnerable people more vulnerable and more likely to um to lose more rights and even their lives.
00:05:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:05:51
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's just bullshit.
00:05:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no reason to do it. Like, again, the one the one time I've really had a problem with a trans person competing in sports was, right, which we've discussed before, again, is that um the player for um for Raleigh, who is trans, who
00:06:02
Jarrod Dyke
I remember. Yeah, we discussed this.
00:06:13
Grumpy Old Prop
has transitioned to a man um but still you know plays women's sports and it's like you you know that's the danger i've i've seen plenty of of men who transition to women playing rugby and guess what most them aren't a aren't very good and b don't have anywhere near that big of an advantage so like or and any advantage at all it's like it's it's seamless you you can't fucking tell and so the fuck are we doing?
00:06:42
Grumpy Old Prop
it's It's all in the name of safety. It's not safe.
Rejecting Bigotry and Supporting Allies
00:06:44
Grumpy Old Prop
It's only making people less safe.
00:06:44
Jarrod Dyke
No, that's the guys that they're putting it under, but it's bullshit.
00:06:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right? So much, so many terrible things have been justified by, oh, it's for safety.
00:06:48
Jarrod Dyke
We all know it.
00:06:54
Grumpy Old Prop
it's For who's safety? Who's being protected? Who's being um made unsafe?
00:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:07:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Really? And they never they't want to talk about that. So anyway, out there, stop it. don't Don't buy into this bullshit and seriously don't give these like Nazis and bigots, but you know, there's no, you got to hand it to them on this. No, you don't.
00:07:15
Jarrod Dyke
No, there isn't.
00:07:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Please don't.
00:07:17
Grumpy Old Prop
It's just you're helping justify their violent and and bigoted beliefs and don't do don't do it.
00:07:17
Jarrod Dyke
No, there isn't.
00:07:22
Jarrod Dyke
Mmm. Yeah. Don't.
00:07:27
Jarrod Dyke
No, no, no.
00:07:27
Grumpy Old Prop
There.
00:07:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I've said my piece.
00:07:28
Jarrod Dyke
No more.
00:07:32
Jarrod Dyke
Peace valid. um Okay.
Gratitude to Supporters and Family
00:07:36
Jarrod Dyke
And then make sure that you grab our Patreon. We appreciate everyone's support. We'll, of course, do a nice call out to all our Patreons for the last episode in few weeks' time.
00:07:47
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, we do appreciate everyone that's subscribed to our Patreon and helps us
00:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
justify what we're doing sometimes to our better halves.
00:07:59
Grumpy Old Prop
And it also helps us watch the games because we do basically we draw on that to buy subscriptions and we're going to have to buy a new one.
00:08:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it helps.
00:08:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, parent that's actually... I mean, it it's good. It is. It's annoying because obviously it's another one. And i get and that that line of thought and issue, I'm with you. i agree.
00:08:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Thanks Paramount+.
00:08:21
Jarrod Dyke
It's another one. It's really annoying. But if you're only looking to watch the World Cup internationals and U.S. internationals, that is going to be your jam right there. That's your spot. You don't need to do anything else because they have the next...
00:08:35
Jarrod Dyke
I think they'll walk up for the next like four cycles or something like that. so employee Starting with this fall.
00:08:40
Grumpy Old Prop
But it's so neat. It's like one more thing just for that.
00:08:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
Rugby Broadcast and Subscription Issues
00:08:45
Jarrod Dyke
But ah well here the upside is we got away from flow, which has had many an issue, to say the least.
00:08:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Sucks.
00:08:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but we're not we're not getting away from flow because don't they still have Super Rugby?
00:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
They do, but... We've got... that's That's not within the USA Rugby or World Rugby's control right now. So we have to just take what we get at the moment. they Yes, Flo has competitions that I wish they didn't.
00:09:10
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:09:10
Jarrod Dyke
That's not news. But... Think of it in terms of the growth of the game on this side of the pond. On Paramount+, plus they can put it on CBS Sports Network, they can put it on CBS, and it'll be on cable slash public TV, which Flow had no avenue for that whatsoever.
00:09:20
Grumpy Old Prop
True.
00:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
00:09:30
Jarrod Dyke
You either subscribe to Flow and you had it, or you didn't and you never saw a thing. That was where that was, and that was my biggest issue with USA Rugby having that contract, other than the fact that the feeds fucked up and sucked sometimes, which was also that too.
00:09:44
Grumpy Old Prop
or do we Do we know that they're going to stay away from fucking Hightower?
00:09:49
Jarrod Dyke
Don't
Rugby Punditry: Criticism and Improvement
00:09:50
Jarrod Dyke
know that. I would appreciate if they did.
00:09:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Corbisero, I'd prefer... So here's the thing. it's I feel like it's a sin to speak out against Alex Corbisero, but I also don't think it's his fault.
00:10:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I think they ask him to be a certain way and be like an ambassador and smiley and happy and not as like intellectual about the game when we see him.
00:10:10
Jarrod Dyke
be he He knows so much more than he lets on sometimes.
00:10:13
Jarrod Dyke
And, like, I've heard i've heard him speak about it.
00:10:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:10:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And he has to dumb it down because he can't just tell Hightower, can't just tell Byron Hightower, you're a fucking moron, dude. Like, you're not helping this.
00:10:20
Jarrod Dyke
Wish he would, honestly.
00:10:21
Grumpy Old Prop
And he can't, but yeah.
00:10:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, he's he's put into this, you know, this box by... USA Rugby Peacock and Flow and whatnot. And it's really shameful because that is not...
00:10:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:10:36
Jarrod Dyke
he He can provide so much more for us. I do like... I like Will Hooley. I think he's he's helpful and in a lot of ways towards the game.
00:10:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:10:44
Jarrod Dyke
I think he's got more insights to it than a lot of the other pundits that are out there. So I'm happy to hear... Him chat when he when he has a thing or two to say.
00:10:56
Jarrod Dyke
But, yeah, I just... I think there's good but of it i just That'll be the next step.
00:11:03
Jarrod Dyke
That's the next level. let's Let's fix our punditry just a little bit.
00:11:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:06
Jarrod Dyke
And, yeah, we can go from there.
00:11:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:11:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And look, the good news is that they're still better than having like Indie Good and um like...
00:11:14
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, my God. I was like, oh, why is this Muppet on this thing?
00:11:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and others of that, like, they don't, like, moan constantly.
00:11:18
Jarrod Dyke
Ugh.
00:11:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, the thing is, we don't hear them during the game, which is awesome. Um, because they wouldn't actually, they and they wouldn't moan. They actually tried to grow encouragement of the game. They're just fucking idiots.
00:11:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, Hightower is just an idiot, which I don't understand.
00:11:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:11:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, he's played at a high enough level he should know better, but no. Um, that's true.
00:11:39
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, has he?
00:11:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough. Um.
00:11:43
Jarrod Dyke
but and more One more reason to get him out.
00:11:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um But it's just like, it's it's just, you feel stupid watching these because you're just like, nope, that's wrong. That's just fla fat flat, flat, flat wrong. Like, um you know, it's better than complaining about the game constantly as some, some folks do like Austin and, and Gude and those types of people.
00:11:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:11:57
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:12:01
Jarrod Dyke
Ah, yep. Yeah, yep.
00:12:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, agreed. No argument on me either. Anyway, let's go to... Let's go to the Principality. And...
Rugby Match Analysis and Injuries
00:12:20
Jarrod Dyke
Lots of talking points, and I mean lots of talking points. It's a final...
00:12:25
Jarrod Dyke
And it's nice to have as many talking points as we do. So that's good in a way. So yay. But also like some of them are not good talking points. So there's that as well.
00:12:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I'm still salty about that Pollock try being called back. Like, overall, look, overall, deserving team won.
00:12:43
Jarrod Dyke
oh
00:12:49
Grumpy Old Prop
They played well.
00:12:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:12:52
Grumpy Old Prop
um I thought Northampton had some... incredibly unlucky breaks extremely early in the match that I think have ended up affecting the game. um I thought, you know, you you lose a winger and a fullback in the span of five minutes, less than 10 minutes into a game.
00:13:15
Jarrod Dyke
It's no disrespect to the guys that came on. like Slates was probably one of those ones that were like, yeah, right, that's good.
00:13:15
Grumpy Old Prop
What are you going to do
00:13:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:13:22
Jarrod Dyke
and then But then Litchfield was a ram or Furbank.
00:13:26
Jarrod Dyke
Whichever one it was, doesn't matter.
00:13:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Furbank, because Ram came off.
00:13:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Ram.
00:13:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Ram dropped first.
00:13:32
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. So for Furbank and I was like, oh shit. That's not good.
00:13:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm sorry, it was two minutes apart. There was four minutes into the game.
00:13:39
Jarrod Dyke
So.
00:13:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Furbank came off four minutes. and
00:13:43
Jarrod Dyke
Oh.
00:13:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I also got to say, I'm not sure. I'm not saying it was dirty. But I'm also not going to say it was clean, the um what but Burroughs did to to Furback.
00:13:55
Grumpy Old Prop
He wasn't near the ball. was The ball was well away.
00:13:57
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
00:13:58
Grumpy Old Prop
So why are you why are you taking that line? He wasn't running towards the ball. He was just running it at Furback, it looked like to me. um So I'm not saying there should have been any sanction or and anything for it.
00:14:13
Grumpy Old Prop
um But I just didn't i didn't like that. that's the best way I can put it. Like, I don't, I don't like that.
00:14:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:14:20
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't like what he did there. Um, and they were like Oh, it's just a rugby incident.
00:14:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's fair.
00:14:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm like, I think it was a little bit more than a rugby incident, but I don't know what you could do about it.
00:14:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, would have been hard to say.
00:14:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Um, but other than that and, and yeah,
00:14:33
Jarrod Dyke
yeah, which and then Litchfield had to come off too. Shit, that's right. So they finished with 13 the field?
00:14:40
Grumpy Old Prop
they would finish with 14 at the, towards the end.
00:14:41
Jarrod Dyke
14 at the end, okay.
00:14:43
Jarrod Dyke
Oof. Roof.
00:14:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Once the field came off, they had no, they had nobody left.
00:14:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, Oh, no, I'm sorry. Tom James came on. Because Mitchell played the full bench.
00:14:50
Jarrod Dyke
That's right. That's right.
00:14:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:14:53
Jarrod Dyke
That's right. That's probably what they were thinking too.
00:14:55
Grumpy Old Prop
So to their credit, though, they they played it. they They did field a 5-3. um So it wasn't.
00:15:01
Jarrod Dyke
Thank God. I was um in my brain because Dowson's done this a couple times and gone six too.
00:15:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:15:05
Jarrod Dyke
I'm thinking, oh shit, they are totally fucked. And I forgot that he had gone five, three. i was like, oh, you, yeah. See, see, this is why you go five, three guys, you know?
00:15:14
Grumpy Old Prop
It really is.
00:15:16
Jarrod Dyke
Because you don't need you don't need your whole plan to fall apart because of two back injuries.
00:15:21
Jarrod Dyke
Like, yeah, that sucks. Like, it's it's unlucky, but at the same time, like, it's ah it's a distinct possibility.
00:15:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:15:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:15:30
Jarrod Dyke
You know, that's not an unheard of thing by any means whatsoever. So, yeah, thank God he finally at least did that and was smart about it. I think, yeah, when they...
00:15:42
Jarrod Dyke
And then the final straw, really, for me was, man, I've been doing having to come off and... And Prowse was their option there because they had Coles in already.
00:15:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:15:53
Jarrod Dyke
in the I mean, for me, I would have just slid Coles in and brought Scott Young. As much as I don't like him, I would much rather have Scott Young than Ed Prowse on the field and Coles being a dynamic second row.
00:15:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:04
Grumpy Old Prop
um ah Yeah, I think... Prowse is also not... Yeah, he's not... um i don't even how much she I don't even know how much he's played this year. Like, he he's not...
00:16:14
Jarrod Dyke
Not like the last couple of matches, I think.
00:16:16
Jarrod Dyke
That's it.
00:16:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I guess Chenya Munga has been hurt.
00:16:19
Grumpy Old Prop
um Otherwise, he would have been in there. And that would have been that that's to me, that's a different story.
00:16:21
Jarrod Dyke
Big. Yeah, big.
00:16:24
Grumpy Old Prop
If um my my Inavanua has to come out and Munga comes in, very different story.
00:16:24
Jarrod Dyke
Totally.
00:16:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
um But yeah, I probably would have done what you're saying is put, I guess, got young on and enrolled with that because he's he's a better he's a better player than than Prowse.
00:16:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:41
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:16:42
Grumpy Old Prop
And that's, you should put your better players in. And even if you have, you know, again, I know your plan has been cocked since the, you know the first five minutes, but don't back up mistakes with mistakes. Don't put somebody as, um, honestly, it's mediocre as prowess because Scott Young is at least like serviceable.
00:16:52
Jarrod Dyke
never Never a good thing.
00:17:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, yeah.
00:17:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, then, yeah I mean, yeah rewind to, you know, truck being injured and Pearson being injured, like really like those were three injuries that they couldn't deal with pre-match.
00:17:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that...
00:17:18
Jarrod Dyke
And then, know, during the match, the the three injuries they got hit with were just blah.
00:17:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:17:25
Jarrod Dyke
So, I mean, so in the, in all that case, they stuck with it.
00:17:30
Jarrod Dyke
They, they did, they stuck with it.
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, they there was it was a game...
00:17:34
Grumpy Old Prop
um basically right up until almost the end. Um, no, i guess when was
00:17:39
Jarrod Dyke
um Until the Casio try.
Refereeing Controversies
00:17:41
Grumpy Old Prop
the last try?
00:17:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Uh, Oh, 44 minutes. Yeah. Um, fairly short out there. Yeah. So, but it was still within touch. It was still a a potential. was always the potential for, yeah.
00:17:50
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, up until the last 10, it was still competitive. You know, it was the... Yeah, Luku scored the pen at 44, and then Casio got it at 50-odd.
00:17:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and then again,
00:18:02
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:18:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, if it's 28-25, because...
00:18:04
Grumpy Old Prop
and you know I'm not even going to assume that Finn hits the the conversion um from that that Pollock try.
00:18:09
Jarrod Dyke
It was way out there, so...
00:18:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. ah um But that... I'm sorry. You have to... like So, I get... Did he... There's the letter of the law, and then there's also the the fact that, as referees are instructed, it's the...
00:18:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um the severity of the offense and also its its impact on the play. And um yes, in this house, we stand Ben Tamifuna.
00:18:41
Grumpy Old Prop
But, but he's not making that play.
00:18:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:18:44
Grumpy Old Prop
He's, he's out of the play.
00:18:44
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:18:46
Grumpy Old Prop
He's never making that play.
00:18:46
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:18:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Coles doesn't need to grab me there in that case, but.
00:18:48
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:18:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Pollux, he doesn't have to, but at the same time you do, that's, that's just, that happens in a mall. That's standard mall business.
00:18:56
Jarrod Dyke
That was my thought, too. i was like, he's coming out of the mall. It's really hard for Coles to just let him go instinctively.
00:19:03
Jarrod Dyke
And some someone was talking on... i don't remember which idiot was which talking i was talking about it. But like, oh, you know, it's a set play. So you see him release and you and you naturally grab him. It's like, you're probably naturally grabbing him anyway, whether it's set piece or not.
00:19:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:19:15
Jarrod Dyke
Whether it's the set play or not. Because... this is where we're going. Like, the this is what what happens with them all. You just, you grab the guy in front of you and you don't let him go until, you know, he's either fully pulled away or you, or, you what referee tells you to.
00:19:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:19:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Right. and
00:19:31
Jarrod Dyke
you know, that's about it.
00:19:33
Grumpy Old Prop
And I also think that, like, again, if we had an angle from the from right down the the touchline, I think it would be very like it looked one way from the angle that they showed. But I think if you looked at it from, you know, the the realistic on field perspective.
00:19:49
Grumpy Old Prop
there' that There's too much distance there and time of one is not covering that. in any chance to to catch Pollock before, you know, before he offloads it. And then I saw another thing that somebody's like, oh, but then Pollock held, i can't remember who it was at the time, um that whoever was defending.
00:20:08
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:20:08
Jarrod Dyke
Possibly LuKu that was in that channel.
00:20:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe, but either way, it was ah it was a small grab.
00:20:11
Jarrod Dyke
Or one of the wings.
00:20:13
Grumpy Old Prop
It wasn't, it didn't, it also didn't affect him. And Lange didn't get his arms through, but it's like, he popped, like that, it's too much ticky-tack there. um And if anything, I thought that, the you know, there may have been a forward pass involved there.
00:20:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Although looking at the replay, it it looked pretty flat. So um although Northampton would never score a key try by throwing a forward pass, that that would never happen.
00:20:33
Jarrod Dyke
Considering some of the things... ah
00:20:38
Jarrod Dyke
Never ever. ever Never ever. Yeah, I mean, if we're going to talk about forward passes in this game, there was definitely someone that was like, that's forward.
00:20:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:49
Jarrod Dyke
But, you know, whatever.
00:20:50
Grumpy Old Prop
But there was there was consistency.
00:20:50
Jarrod Dyke
Play on.
00:20:51
Grumpy Old Prop
At the same time, there was consistency. I don't think it was a well-refereed match, but I don't think it affected...
00:20:56
Jarrod Dyke
Oh.
00:20:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Aside from taking away that one try that I don't think should have been taken away, i don't and that that still didn't affect the outcome. Because even if they make the conversion, it's still...
00:21:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:21:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And and I know there's also you know the difference in how they play, and it only takes one penalty at that point, but... um
00:21:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't believe it. So, um yeah, like I said... The team that won deserved it. that was That's a hell of a Bordeaux team. They've had you know such a great tournament and um very deserving winners. and they've got a hell of a stacked team there. Especially the the Wings are just...
00:21:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, the back line was pretty pretty dirty.
00:21:38
Jarrod Dyke
That was a very, very good back line.
00:21:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And Samu playing his balls off this year. um Apparently going back to Australia for some reason. Yeah. Personally, I think he should stay.
00:21:48
Jarrod Dyke
get picked for the Wallabies.
00:21:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Personally, think he should stay away. Yeah, i guess we've got to play for the Wallabies, but...
00:21:54
Jarrod Dyke
i'm
00:21:55
Jarrod Dyke
I have a feeling that's part of it, so
00:21:55
Grumpy Old Prop
I just...
00:21:57
Grumpy Old Prop
I just don't know that he's gonna. I don't think he's... I don't know. Maybe maybe we're in a Will Skelton situation where he's... It's clicked now, and and he's going to maintain this.
00:22:08
Grumpy Old Prop
um But at the same time, I'd i'd like to see more than... one season. But hey, give him a shot. What else you got? I mean, they have, they have, they still have a Gleason. They still got those, that, you know, McRae and Wilson from the Reds.
00:22:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Tisano.
00:22:24
Grumpy Old Prop
there's ah There's plenty of others too.
00:22:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, Tisano, obviously he's got to be in the mix.
00:22:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:22:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, there's so many other players there that
00:22:31
Jarrod Dyke
I presume he's not going to be eligible to play for them during the Lions. Maybe he will be, maybe he won't be.
00:22:39
Grumpy Old Prop
maybe he will be if he's come if he's already committed to coming back.
00:22:42
Jarrod Dyke
Depends. youre Generally speaking, they they won't reset the calendar until the Tri-Nation starts. So we'll see. ah The Rugby Championship, sorry. Fucking rewind my brain on that one.
00:22:55
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah I know what meant.
00:22:57
Jarrod Dyke
but Anyway, so, yeah. i I mean, yeah. You said the things that need to be said about Bordeaux. They were definitely the best team throughout the entire competition this year and fully deserved it.
00:23:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:23:12
Jarrod Dyke
I think we do need to talk a little bit about things that aren't to do with either the team, one, the teams, or
Nika Amishikeli's Appointment Debate
00:23:19
Jarrod Dyke
two, the rugby. We definitely need to talk about that.
00:23:20
Grumpy Old Prop
The zebra?
00:23:25
Jarrod Dyke
um ah I'm terrified that Nika Amishikeli has Alliance Test. How he got this final is beyond me, but the fact that he is going to be refereeing Alliance Test Series series match is...
00:23:43
Jarrod Dyke
Pretty fucking stupid in my opinion.
00:23:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, it's here's the problem. you know Obviously, um Luke Pierce can't do it.
00:23:53
Grumpy Old Prop
so
00:23:54
Jarrod Dyke
Nope.
00:23:55
Grumpy Old Prop
and And to me, and I'm not saying, obviously Luke Pierce has his problems. like Apparently seeing a forward pass is is like a blatant forward, like unbelievably forward pass. um He has problems seeing that somehow.
00:24:10
Grumpy Old Prop
But generally speaking, and and he's the best draft in the world, not because he's so amazing, but because he just makes the fewest mistakes, blatant mistakes.
00:24:21
Grumpy Old Prop
There's just the refereeing right now is ah atrocious. So it's like, um which ka like whatever.
00:24:25
Jarrod Dyke
It's
00:24:28
Jarrod Dyke
it's worthy of a pod special, honestly. It is so fucked in so many ways from top to bottom.
00:24:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:24:37
Grumpy Old Prop
And I mean, I can't like, so it's not that like he doesn't deserve it based on where he is among referees. It's that that's the state of refereeing right now is that it's so bad that each of, I think each of the three referees are just nobody.
00:24:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I want to see ref a game.
00:24:57
Jarrod Dyke
No. Yep.
00:24:59
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:25:00
Grumpy Old Prop
So Keith, does Keith get one that he's the closest to acceptable.
00:25:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, he's got one.
00:25:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And even still, I'm like, I'm yeah.
00:25:08
Jarrod Dyke
It's still not acceptable.
00:25:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, and that's what mean. He's the closest to acceptable. He's like almost there. But not. And that's the best we can get. Like, fuck boys.
00:25:23
Jarrod Dyke
It's terrifying.
00:25:23
Grumpy Old Prop
We got...
00:25:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. I don't understand. I do not understand. Like...
00:25:29
Jarrod Dyke
And some of the explanations he's giving, I'm like, that's not that. Oh, you were an idiot. I especially things. And we'll talk about something deeper than this. But like, I guess more fun at wrestling a guy out of a rock. But he's got his freaking arms around his neck. I'm like, dude, I don't care if he doesn't twist.
00:25:44
Jarrod Dyke
That is not legal.
00:25:46
Jarrod Dyke
Like, if we're basing it on whether it's legal or not, if he twists. Fuck out of here.
00:25:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:25:51
Jarrod Dyke
just put them in a chokehold. Like, there's no way that's legal.
00:25:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:25:55
Jarrod Dyke
Don't base it on such a stupid technicality. It's like, that's foul play. That's all it is. There's nothing else that it is.
00:26:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:26:01
Jarrod Dyke
It's foul play. Penalize it so we knock that shit off because it gets worse and worse and things get nastier and nastier by the minute when you do that shit. So we have to penalize it. and just It's explanations were always just...
00:26:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's it's one it's like...
00:26:16
Jarrod Dyke
Blech.
00:26:20
Grumpy Old Prop
It's almost like if you make a bad decision, don't over-explain it. Just be like, that' that's it.
00:26:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:26:25
Grumpy Old Prop
you know That's my interpretation, we're moving on. I'd have more respect for you that way. But it's like when you back up a shitty call...
00:26:29
Jarrod Dyke
right.
00:26:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And that it goes for Luke Pierce. when in um I can't remember what match it was last week. ah doesn't It certainly doesn't matter. ah Let's just move on and not reference it anymore.
00:26:39
Jarrod Dyke
a
00:26:42
Grumpy Old Prop
No, but like even that... It's like you're really working to make the like the you're it makes it look like you're trying to get it wrong. Like you've you've made your decision that it's going to be this and I'm going to distort reality and say this happened.
00:26:52
Jarrod Dyke
yeah right
00:26:58
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, no, no, no, no. and no He's standing in front of him. He's literally handing the ball forward, like pushing the ball forward the whole time. You can even see the grass cut. grassco
00:27:08
Jarrod Dyke
grid. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:11
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's from from one into the other with a clear no, the hands were never going backwards. Like the facts are there and you have to distort facts or ignore certain facts to to say certain. And it's like, if you're doing that, you just, it's not, it's makes it worse.
00:27:28
Grumpy Old Prop
So anyway, like, as you said, we could, we could talk about this for, for an entire, and entire pod, but ultimately I think that cheapens the the game itself, at least this game, because it was poorly refed, but it's, it's almost like that, uh, Superbowl with the Steelers and Seahawks where yes, the refs were bad, but they were equally bad.
00:27:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:27:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And only the losing team really has a bug up their butt about it, even though they got just as many calls their way as, as we're given up.
00:27:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:27:54
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like, just shut up, move on, play better. Like you played like ass, like there like certainly in in that in this game, the of the three components to the game that, the you know, Bordeaux, Northampton and the ref, the ref was the worst part.
00:28:09
Grumpy Old Prop
But I still don't think that that he affected he affected the outcome because I think Bordeaux were just such class that they were they were winning that game.
00:28:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:28:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:28:17
Grumpy Old Prop
and Saints, especially with their with their their shorthandedness going in and the two injuries. at this like As soon as Furbank was down, i'm like, well, this game's over.
00:28:22
Jarrod Dyke
couple injuries on that. Yeah.
00:28:25
Jarrod Dyke
was like, that's bad news, man.
00:28:25
Grumpy Old Prop
like like Fundamentally, if if Northampton win it, it's a fucking miracle.
00:28:31
Grumpy Old Prop
and And unfortunately, a miracle did not occur.
00:28:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:28:35
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:28:35
Grumpy Old Prop
It would have been awesome, but that was too Yeah.
00:28:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No. We'll get to the zebras in a minute. I do. I do want So let's talk a little bit about Henry Pollock and the Bordeaux treatment of him.
Taunting in Rugby: Ethics and Humor
00:28:53
Jarrod Dyke
I'm, and people are just like, oh, they were taunting him. It's fine. Taunt him. Like, let it, let it be, let let that be a thing and let that be an interest story for rugby.
00:28:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:29:04
Jarrod Dyke
And, but continue to also let Henry Pollock be Henry Pollock because, you know, guys that are willing to be superstars in this league are few and far between, or in this in this sport are few and far between because of the nature of the sport, but at the same time,
00:29:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:29:18
Jarrod Dyke
like that's how you can grow a sport you can get people interested in it and you know i fucking hate conor mcgregor but he was one of the biggest things that happened to at the ufc and you know people were interested in it because of a guy like him so while i don't want henry pollock to turn into conor mcgregor please no um
00:29:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:29:38
Jarrod Dyke
the idea behind it is still valid. And I think if Henry Pollard is going to have a celebration where he, know, puts his fingers on his pulse to check and make sure, you know, everyone's breathing and, you know, Hey, go and check your pulse and make sure that the heartbeat's still going.
00:29:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:29:53
Jarrod Dyke
Cause you ought, you ought to have a heartbeat right now and so on and so forth. So yeah yeah. All right. You want, you want to talk to him a little bit. That's fine. You know, he's a young kid. He can, You can grow from it and learn from it. That's not the issue I have.
00:30:04
Jarrod Dyke
The issue I have is Jefferson Poirot putting his hands on Pollock's neck.
00:30:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:09
Jarrod Dyke
That is a no-no. I'm sorry. I don't care if you're trying to be cute and like pretend to check his pulse. Hands off people's throats, bro.
00:30:09
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:30:16
Jarrod Dyke
That starts fights, hands down.
00:30:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Next heads.
00:30:18
Jarrod Dyke
And Henry Pollock?
00:30:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:21
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:30:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Croins.
00:30:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you start doing that shit, you know, people start throwing fists and Pollock reacted and i have no issue with the way he reacted.
00:30:29
Jarrod Dyke
Like, if someone puts their hands on my throat, they'll be lucky to not believe with a bloody nose. Like, I'm usually going to just react very badly and that's not okay and I don't care if I'm the retaliator.
00:30:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:42
Jarrod Dyke
You're trying to choke me out, I am going to send you into next week.
00:30:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And right.
00:30:45
Jarrod Dyke
You know, that's just how it is.
00:30:47
Grumpy Old Prop
And you there's there's playing around, which obviously and shithousery.
00:30:53
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:30:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Love it. That adds to the game. You put your hand in and i'll I'll go further than that. Even you put your hands on someone else to do it.
00:31:02
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:31:03
Grumpy Old Prop
No, no, that now you're, now you're going over to taunting and, and, and and there's, there's no need for it.
00:31:04
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:31:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like if anything, if, if anything, like, yeah, you won, move on.
00:31:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you won. You won.
00:31:16
Grumpy Old Prop
If anything, you know, we'll be a lot fucking funnier is have a goddamn stethoscope on the sideline, grab the fucking physio stethoscope, but ask me to borrow it.
00:31:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. that That would have been that would been great.
00:31:25
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fucking hilarious.
00:31:29
Jarrod Dyke
That would have been creative and that would have hilarious and it would have been totally cool. been like, yeah, all right, this is good.
00:31:29
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fucking hilarious.
00:31:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like, all right.
00:31:34
Jarrod Dyke
This is funny.
00:31:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Because you see, he's walking over with the South.
00:31:38
Grumpy Old Prop
yet like there's a There's a lead up to it. And you know what? If you're a good sport, i think Henry Pollock would have been a good sport about it just to be like, fuck. Okay, yeah, let's go. like That's funny. That grows the game and it makes it look good.
00:31:48
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:31:50
Grumpy Old Prop
And otherwise, you know now you're you're putting him in a situation where he has to defend himself and nobody looks good from it. So, yeah.
00:31:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:31:58
Grumpy Old Prop
be you know Just like, ah you know as I said, no hands, no heads, no necks, heads, groins, Joe Marler.
00:32:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:32:05
Grumpy Old Prop
um like
00:32:07
Jarrod Dyke
Mm
00:32:08
Grumpy Old Prop
There's funny ways to do things and and and be fucking creative. Don't be don't be crass. Don't be rude. Don't be vulgar. Don't be um disrespectful to someone's personal space like that, especially their vital personal space.
00:32:18
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:32:25
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't do that here.
00:32:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. We want to talk about respect the game. That is disrespectful.
00:32:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:30
Jarrod Dyke
Not Henry Pollock scoring a worldie and then celebrating it in, you know, a great, a great way, a great manner.
00:32:37
Jarrod Dyke
and And just a way that is, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be noted for a long time.
00:32:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:32:43
Jarrod Dyke
So that's not, just that's not disrespecting the game. Shit like that is shit.
00:32:48
Jarrod Dyke
Like what poor poor did. So he's been side last night him as well. So that's good.
00:32:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:32:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. Well, I mean, you know, Perot's never been in, you know, he's never been in trouble like, oh, wait a minute.
00:32:59
Jarrod Dyke
o A little bit here, a little bit there.
Celebration Misunderstanding Resolved
00:33:02
Jarrod Dyke
ah but to put the To end it with ah the lighter note, Damien Pennell riding the zebra.
00:33:02
Grumpy Old Prop
A little
00:33:08
Grumpy Old Prop
bit.
00:33:09
Jarrod Dyke
ah but Oh, man. Were these people not thinking when they put that out there? like There's no way one these idiots is going to climb on this thing, right?
00:33:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, they're gonna get drunk. They're gonna be like, hey, this is a good idea.
00:33:22
Jarrod Dyke
like
00:33:24
Jarrod Dyke
They're all going to grab a bottle of champagne start hammering it down and be like, oh, that's a good idea. Let's do this.
00:33:24
Grumpy Old Prop
They're gonna get on the zebra.
00:33:29
Jarrod Dyke
Because you're you're in a great mood. you just you know You do what feels good at the moment when you're in that type of mood. So it's like, this is a great idea.
00:33:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean...
00:33:35
Grumpy Old Prop
who
00:33:36
Jarrod Dyke
Let's do this.
00:33:37
Grumpy Old Prop
there was a and You know what? It's a fantastic idea because ah the the visual was awesome. And yeah, I love it. um I just feel bad for this, that the zebra was even there.
00:33:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's...
00:33:49
Jarrod Dyke
Poor zebra.
00:33:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. make Have a painted horse.
00:33:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:33:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Paint the horse into a zebra.
00:33:54
Jarrod Dyke
he
00:33:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Do something clever, but I don't know. i don't think... I get it It's that they're mascot and everybody gets a little zebra, but you know the man on the match gets his little zebra, but...
00:34:07
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah i don't get ah i've already done the no discrimination i'm not gonna get into animal abuse on this this pod but we're yeah oh it was play oh fuck i didn't mean i only saw pictures i oh okay i turned it off so i i wasn't sure if it was a real i thought it was a real zebra oh good
00:34:13
Jarrod Dyke
Well, it's good thing it was good it's a good thing was plastic.
00:34:18
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, it was totally plastic. like
00:34:22
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, no, no, no. They had they had those things on. They're just sitting there. that's why i think that's why you i mean I can't imagine trying to freaking hop onto a fucking zebra, like a wild zebra.
00:34:28
Grumpy Old Prop
fuck
00:34:31
Grumpy Old Prop
that's what That's what I wasn't...
00:34:31
Jarrod Dyke
Hell no.
00:34:33
Grumpy Old Prop
i fuck i didn't Like I said, I'd only seen the picture. so I had turned it off by then.
00:34:36
Jarrod Dyke
ah Oh, no, no, no.
00:34:38
Jarrod Dyke
I don't believe those i don't believe that was a real-life zebra.
00:34:38
Grumpy Old Prop
so Oh, thank God.
00:34:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Alright, cool.
00:34:40
Jarrod Dyke
in No way.
00:34:42
Grumpy Old Prop
We don't have to go into that then.
00:34:43
Jarrod Dyke
That would be crazy.
00:34:45
Jarrod Dyke
Like, holy shit
00:34:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh yeah, then definitely somebody's getting on... Getting on the zebra, if it's just a plastic zebra, that that's the least of my concerns.
00:34:53
Jarrod Dyke
shit.
00:34:54
Jarrod Dyke
Following off on the other side, it might be a different story.
00:34:54
Grumpy Old Prop
It's way...
00:34:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Way worse than could have happened to that that plastic zebra. Yeah, exactly.
00:35:01
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Oh, Jesus Christ, yes. Yeah, they'll let him take it back into the locker room.
00:35:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Very quickly.
00:35:06
Jarrod Dyke
That's where it goes bad. That's where it goes really bad.
00:35:11
Jarrod Dyke
turns into like hangover shit. Like, yeah, look at me. I'm fucking the tiger.
00:35:11
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:35:14
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:35:15
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah exactly
00:35:17
Grumpy Old Prop
just
00:35:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. That's where that goes badly. Very quickly that.
00:35:21
Grumpy Old Prop
very quickly
00:35:21
Jarrod Dyke
So no, no, no, that was, that was cool.
00:35:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. I'm okaym i'm thank i'mm glad we had this chat because that that I've been i'd been upset about this thing for for like semi-upset.
00:35:26
Jarrod Dyke
but
00:35:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Like this is hilarious, but also kind of upsetting. And now I can just find it hilarious and not have to worry about the moral implications.
00:35:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. No, no, no. I'm pretty sure that was a plastic zebra.
00:35:37
Grumpy Old Prop
ah thought
00:35:38
Jarrod Dyke
Oh man.
00:35:41
Jarrod Dyke
Right. Oh, man. Let's go to Supers. We'll look at that real quick.
00:35:51
Jarrod Dyke
First one of the weekend.
Highlanders' Season Struggles
00:35:56
Grumpy Old Prop
I tried watching this match. I really, I really did. i think I watched the first half hour and I'm like, um, this sucks.
00:35:59
Jarrod Dyke
I had it on the background.
00:36:02
Jarrod Dyke
I was following the little guy around. I had it on the background. I'm probably, I'm pretty happy. That's what I did instead of trying to intently watch this match.
00:36:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I must've watched at least the first half cause I saw the Joan of Lowe try, but I, I think it was, you know, I don't know. I think I did what maybe into the second half and I'm like, this is just not going anywhere.
00:36:20
Jarrod Dyke
No, it wasn't, it wasn't good at all. um Highlanders. I thought that was going to be better out of them and the season. And they just,
00:36:33
Jarrod Dyke
Quite frankly, been a disappointment.
00:36:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, I didn't think they would be much better than this this season. So I'm kind of, I was hoping, but that's true.
00:36:38
Jarrod Dyke
I was hoping they'd be better. Well, they're freaking... think they'd be bottom of the table.
00:36:44
Grumpy Old Prop
That's fair. I thought they'd be the the worst team in in um and New Zealand, but that's, you know, yeah.
00:36:45
Jarrod Dyke
I thought they'd be at least be in the hunt.
00:36:50
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, you got your wish on that one.
00:36:53
Jarrod Dyke
You definitely got your wish on that one.
00:36:53
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:36:53
Grumpy Old Prop
But yeah they've had some shock. They have had some shocking losses that then they should not be bottom of the table. That's fair.
00:37:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and they've they've they they were talking about it during the match. Like, they've lost close games, but they've lost a lot of close games.
00:37:06
Jarrod Dyke
And that's, you hope that that turns into something different next season, but next season's a long way away. We'll see.
00:37:07
Grumpy Old Prop
of
00:37:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. there's even a thing about that in in NFL where it's like, if, if you know the amount of close games you win is it actually an act, there's like something about how you can, you can more accurately predict the next season because of it.
00:37:29
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:37:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause like they, there's like, um, you know, close wins, close losses, things like that, where it, it, it translates.
00:37:36
Grumpy Old Prop
So if you, if like close losses, you have a lot of close losses, it means you could be good the next year. Um, It ups your percentage, but I don't know that that's going to help the Highland. They have they have so many holes right now.
00:37:49
Grumpy Old Prop
um But again, they got they got a very young team that can get better.
00:37:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:37:52
Grumpy Old Prop
So they've got they've got you know some pieces there. I mean, you know they've got some olders around the the team, but...
00:37:58
Jarrod Dyke
Others less so.
00:38:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, like, like low, uh, but, um, you know, Tevitev and Aoi is experienced. He could, he could, you know, be sticking around. He could be a long-term or guy, at least medium term.
00:38:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, Ratsumo Tevuki-Nipkin's obviously a long-term guy, but man, they, they definitely need some flankers.
00:38:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:38:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Bad.
00:38:22
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, they need some back rowers big time. side TK out and the potential was there for him, but he hasn't performed at all.
00:38:29
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:38:29
Jarrod Dyke
I think that's fair to say.
Player Performances and Praise
00:38:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And they need a nine.
00:38:31
Jarrod Dyke
and just yeah
00:38:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Fakatawa is MLR quality still.
00:38:39
Jarrod Dyke
i think they um I think they have Nines that have moments. for Fakatava, Hasty.
00:38:46
Jarrod Dyke
Was the young kid's name Lennox or something like that?
00:38:47
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't know. i I'd rather have ah Cam than Fakatawa. That's just me. I
00:38:56
Jarrod Dyke
For reference, he's referring to Cam Narley-Calimetti.
00:38:59
Grumpy Old Prop
i am
00:39:02
Jarrod Dyke
Just so everyone knows. To so Brizzy.
00:39:10
Jarrod Dyke
And i Yeah, color me glad. i was i was pretty happy with the performance.
00:39:16
Jarrod Dyke
But the boys...
00:39:16
Grumpy Old Prop
As you should be.
00:39:18
Jarrod Dyke
yeah they You know, this is one of those ones that it definitely felt like the Reds probably should won this game, but we've lost a few games where it felt like we should have won, so I'm glad we were able to snap it from them and say, yes, later, bitches, we out.
00:39:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:39:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:39:32
Jarrod Dyke
know, Brendan Inofo, yeah, awesome. Brett Cameron being back. Holy shit. You have no idea how happy I was when I saw him on the team sheet the other week. I was just like, yes, that dude's not supposed to be here. this is awesome. So now Ruben Lyft can play his natural position. I think he's actually there this week.
00:39:48
Jarrod Dyke
um He's playing fullback this week. So that only helps this team going forward. Billy Proctor coming back is huge as well, obviously.
00:39:56
Grumpy Old Prop
He's been massive.
00:39:58
Jarrod Dyke
He's been absolutely great. And, you know, the back row has been playing well. It sucks that we don't have Yose for a little while, but i'm I'm kind of excited about Flanders coming back, honestly. i was like, oh, I forgot about him.
00:40:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:40:09
Jarrod Dyke
he's He was broken for a little while. So he's sub-quality for sure, but still, like, there's not as much drop-off on it as there could have been if they were looking at pulling in, you know, a pup that isn't ready.
00:40:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:40:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:40:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. um And Reds, you know, we're going to go back to, um you know, making something that'll come up a little later, but kicking for posts instead of going for the corner.
00:40:36
Jarrod Dyke
The first two times all year they kick for posts. Like...
00:40:41
Jarrod Dyke
Ah! I...
00:40:42
Grumpy Old Prop
and you lose by four, four points, which means, which means if you went and scored tries on both of those, even if you didn't convert, that's, that's a tie game.
Match Decisions and Weather Impact
00:40:51
Grumpy Old Prop
And if you converted one, you win. And, and they were, they, the thing is, and, and I don't think you're going to disagree with me on this, but at the time they were out playing the hurricanes.
00:40:54
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man.
00:41:02
Jarrod Dyke
Mm.
00:41:03
Jarrod Dyke
Momentum was with him and I was kind of pooping myself a little bit. I was like, ah, crap.
00:41:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Then to almost.
00:41:07
Jarrod Dyke
This is not good.
00:41:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:41:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, you know, Tate McDermott's try, ah
00:41:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes, please. i want some more of that.
00:41:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:41:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um But then, yeah, the post was just...
00:41:18
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:41:22
Grumpy Old Prop
It didn't make sense because you're out playing the team, the other team, you're getting more possession and you have the possession. And all you're doing is then losing...
00:41:28
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:41:30
Grumpy Old Prop
you know You're you getting your three, but then you're given you're essentially giving away possession. And you know against a team that scores tries for fun.
00:41:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:41:41
Grumpy Old Prop
And just...
00:41:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, we don't... The times we kick for three, I'm usually scratching my head like, why are we doing this? We're better at the other thing. Stop doing this. We don't have great goal kickers right now, mind you, although Brett Cameron, if he shakes off the rust, he is a very good goal kicker.
00:41:55
Jarrod Dyke
But other than that, we don't have a reason to sit there and say, yeah, let's go for posts every time. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:42:02
Jarrod Dyke
What are we doing?
00:42:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:42:03
Jarrod Dyke
Guys...
00:42:03
Grumpy Old Prop
That's like when we... we we yeah we'll We'll come to it later, but we we talked to one of the Freezaks after the match.
00:42:08
Grumpy Old Prop
um Just to ask, we needed to know.
00:42:09
Jarrod Dyke
Mmm.
00:42:11
Grumpy Old Prop
um And it was the same thing. it was like, who? it was like that scene in Do You Good Man? Who ordered the code red? Like, who? who
00:42:18
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yes.
00:42:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Whose call was that kick for posts? and And he answered honestly.
00:42:21
Jarrod Dyke
Uh-huh.
00:42:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And and there was clearly... unhappiness with and and and and and it was for same same reason you know kicking for three just feels like some people are either a trying to be national team or you know test coaches and think that's the way it goes although even at that level it's fucking stupid um
00:42:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:42:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Or B, like I think in this case, i think everybody was saying that, oh, Lina um needs to make his case for the Wallabies that he can kick. So this is now you like you're this is why I hate when, you know, national team coaches do shit like this.
00:42:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:42:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, I'm not going to select you unless I see you do this in a game.
00:43:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like.
00:43:02
Jarrod Dyke
Because, you know, he plays so poorly elsewise.
00:43:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And, and bitch, he's kicking for posts after tries. That's, that's, that's one less point. What the fuck does it matter? What are you trying to, what are you trying to find out? Really? What are you trying to find out with that? Oh, can he, can he, can he actually kick?
00:43:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, bitch, he can kick. Like, stop. fuck Like, if that's the case, if, if the Reds kicked for posts because um Joe Schmidt wants to see Tom Lina kick for posts,
00:43:35
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck? Like, right.
00:43:37
Jarrod Dyke
be the stupidest fucking reason to give away a game.
00:43:41
Grumpy Old Prop
If I'm the Reds coach, I'm like, fuck that. i don't give a fuck what you want to see from this guy.
00:43:44
Jarrod Dyke
ah Make me.
00:43:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you yeah, watch it watch watch him kick.
00:43:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:43:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Watch him kick our conversions. If that's not good enough for you, then fuck you.
00:43:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:43:53
Grumpy Old Prop
I got a team. I got to win. Yeah. um
00:43:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Unless Kiss is going into that job next, by the way.
00:44:00
Grumpy Old Prop
that
00:44:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, there's no then there's no fucking point.
00:44:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And especially, you know, you're this could have that this is been that was basically almost almost for fourth. You're going to give away a home match, potentially, for behind that?
00:44:17
Jarrod Dyke
um top Top three.
00:44:19
Jarrod Dyke
Top three hosts.
00:44:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Top three? Oh, okay.
00:44:21
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Then it's and it's all balls anyway.
00:44:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, top three hosts.
00:44:24
Grumpy Old Prop
You're you're not you're not catching the Brumbies, so...
00:44:27
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:44:28
Jarrod Dyke
No, they blew that the ble that the previous week.
00:44:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Fine.
00:44:30
Jarrod Dyke
But still, if you're only just playing for, you know, shits and giggles, just, you know, go for it.
00:44:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:44:32
Grumpy Old Prop
But still. For pride, but still.
00:44:36
Jarrod Dyke
and Jesus, there's no point in it.
00:44:40
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:44:41
Jarrod Dyke
Anywho...
00:44:44
Jarrod Dyke
Anywho.
00:44:47
Grumpy Old Prop
But good on the the hurricanes showed up.
00:44:47
Jarrod Dyke
So...
00:44:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Speaking of showing up and not showing up.
00:44:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, they did. Yes, they did. And not showing up. Disappointment, like... Man, like, after the Superman performance that Artie Simeo put forward the week before, or two weeks before, whatever the fuck it was, this is just really disheartening in a lot of ways.
00:45:03
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:45:07
Jarrod Dyke
i was like, okay, yeah I'm sitting here thinking, alright, here we go.
00:45:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
00:45:11
Jarrod Dyke
Like, they're gonna give these guys a hell of a game, and this is gonna be fun to watch. It was fun to watch, but if you're only if you're from a certain perspective.
00:45:19
Jarrod Dyke
Like, you know, say a neutral or if you were Chiefs fan.
00:45:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah but Yeah, but I turned it off.
00:45:25
Jarrod Dyke
ah thats says a lot.
00:45:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I think after the the um the the Carter try about 59 minutes, I don't even think I made it. Actually, i don't think I made it that far. It might have been the first 53 minute try. And I was like, you know what?
00:45:39
Grumpy Old Prop
I don't need to see this anymore. It's, it's, I, it was so uncomfortable for me to see Moana getting just pounded like that without really putting up much of a fight.
00:45:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:45:49
Grumpy Old Prop
And I'm like, this is not,
00:45:54
Jarrod Dyke
Sad.
00:45:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm good.
00:45:55
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm I'm going to close the book on this one. And the worst part is like, it doesn't matter how good the the chief's performances was. its It was just against it. They were playing on air, unfortunately, except for the, the you know, obviously he already got his try um because he's going to, and he's going to,
00:46:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Artie's always going to get his.
00:46:10
Grumpy Old Prop
right um you know we didn't get to to you know when we will get to player of the week obviously even even in the well the the game last week where they lost the blues i believe and he was still the best player oh no they beat the blues sorry um but he was the the best player on the on any field anywhere in the world that day um and you know he's still good but damn 85 fuck off
00:46:25
Jarrod Dyke
They beat the Blues. That was what referencing before.
00:46:30
Jarrod Dyke
Wow, head and shoulders. Yeah, no doubt.
00:46:39
Jarrod Dyke
Man, that's a kick right in the pants too. so I almost wonder if there's a point where they're like, all right, we're fucked. Let's look to next week because that's our that's our last shot.
00:46:50
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:46:51
Jarrod Dyke
And I don't know if that was ever... I imagine at some point that entered Tanumaga's mind. But...
00:46:58
Jarrod Dyke
Man, still the ship 85 is pretty...
00:47:03
Jarrod Dyke
Ouch.
00:47:04
Grumpy Old Prop
It's hard.
00:47:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:47:07
Grumpy Old Prop
that's okay, good. Let's make the play. Let's, let's do what we can to make the playoffs, but look who you're playing in the first match.
00:47:13
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. Yeah.
00:47:15
Grumpy Old Prop
If you make it like, uh,
00:47:16
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna know it.
00:47:20
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah.
00:47:20
Jarrod Dyke
Godspeed. Godspeed, everyone. Good luck. um Yeah, and then kind of a wet sloppy one out in Perth.
00:47:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Again, as ah it seems like it always is.
00:47:30
Jarrod Dyke
course
00:47:32
Jarrod Dyke
Seems to be the theme out there. But it goes to super point. I mean, it wasn't this was not a classic by any means whatsoever. The conditions didn't help. yeah know There comes a point where they're just banging the ball back and forth and just like hoping someone fucks up.
00:47:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
00:47:46
Jarrod Dyke
And it's like, okay, this is now exactly what I don't like in rugby.
00:47:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-mm.
00:47:51
Jarrod Dyke
It's like, oh, guys, come on.
00:47:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:47:54
Jarrod Dyke
Come on. Help me out of here.
00:47:59
Jarrod Dyke
But they, I mean, Taz wanted to keep themselves alive.
00:48:02
Jarrod Dyke
Man, if they lost. Dan McKellar was ready throw chairs before. I can only imagine what would have happened otherwise. Yeah.
00:48:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-mm.
00:48:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and now they're in a position where um almost it's all depending on, you know, obviously Moana has something to say about it, but the game next week between Taz Blues is probably going to be winner goes.
00:48:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:48:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:48:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:48:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Winner moves on.
00:48:31
Jarrod Dyke
Well, we'll talk about that during the pick of them and see if we got there.
00:48:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:48:36
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, it does. um that And that ends the fourth season as is too. So that's, yeah.
00:48:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:48:44
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not sure they would have been really in the hunt per se had they won, but.
00:48:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, it's it's all it was all academic before then anyway, so.
00:48:50
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. So that leaves them there. And, you know, it's them Highlanders and to an extent the Blues, talking about the Force, the Druah as well, were just, you know, they left it too late.
00:49:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:49:06
Jarrod Dyke
they got They took way too long to get themselves going and didn't do themselves justice.
00:49:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:49:12
Jarrod Dyke
So they they are they earn they've earned where they are. Plain and simple.
00:49:18
Grumpy Old Prop
ye
00:49:18
Jarrod Dyke
Plain and simple.
00:49:21
Jarrod Dyke
right, superlatives,
00:49:26
Jarrod Dyke
folks that outdid themselves.
00:49:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:49:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd say... I can't even say any of the Chiefs. Because no. um
00:49:42
Jarrod Dyke
Seemed to expect it at at some point, right?
00:49:45
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah. um but Like... and Again, playing a little bit on air. I'd say Ruben Love had ah had himself quite a game.
00:49:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but yeah um Guy in space is bad news. like and that's And that's why I'm glad he'll be able to, I think, yeah, like I said, i think this week he's going to fullback.
00:50:05
Jarrod Dyke
So that's going to help him and and the team in general and, you give them ah someone to get.
00:50:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:11
Jarrod Dyke
I think he was serviceable once he got settled into that 10 role, but really his best position is fullback.
00:50:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:17
Jarrod Dyke
Him in space with, you know some of the guys that they have available to them for wings is going to help tremendously to say the least.
00:50:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't disagree there.
00:50:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he played well. be silly not to mention Penault and his outstanding performance.
00:50:36
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah But did he... I mean, yeah, i obviously he deserves a mention. It's like, i don't know that was an outdoing themselves. That's just Pino being Pino.
00:50:43
Jarrod Dyke
That's true. That's a good point. That's a good point. Coles.
00:50:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:50:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:50:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Colts, yeah, that that was going to be my, you know, getting two tries, playing six, playing it very well. The guy's a fucking class player. I'm guessing he better be on the plane.
00:51:00
Jarrod Dyke
To the Americas, yeah.
00:51:01
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:51:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because he's he's
00:51:03
Jarrod Dyke
Wish they were playing one of those matches closer to here.
00:51:06
Grumpy Old Prop
kind of, yeah, that would be nice. ah um But yeah, he hadn he had himself a hell of a game and in the loss.
00:51:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah. um As much as I shat on Tane Robinson, I thought played pretty well for the but the Highlanders.
00:51:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:21
Jarrod Dyke
The 10.
00:51:22
Jarrod Dyke
Then they pulled him. ah It looked like he picked up something, I think.
00:51:22
Grumpy Old Prop
don't.
00:51:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:51:25
Jarrod Dyke
Because if he didn't, I wouldn't have pulled him.
00:51:27
Jarrod Dyke
Because Cam Miller ended up hitting missing the game-tying the game tying penalty shot there so oops and thank you being an UFO for finally being what I wanted you to be and just doing the job that I asked you that you're asked to do put the damn ball down when it do in the place that it counts the most okay okay that's your job don't try and do more uh
00:51:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:51:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:51:53
Jarrod Dyke
I mean long list of shats it
00:51:58
Grumpy Old Prop
um I did the kind the the whole ref thing combination that denied Pollock that try.
00:52:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Boo. just for that Just for that one segment.
00:52:06
Jarrod Dyke
All you.
00:52:08
Grumpy Old Prop
I didn't like that.
00:52:08
Jarrod Dyke
All you.
00:52:10
Jarrod Dyke
All you.
00:52:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, all you.
00:52:10
Jarrod Dyke
Shame.
00:52:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off.
00:52:11
Grumpy Old Prop
You shat yourself in in that moment. um
00:52:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:16
Grumpy Old Prop
you know we didn't ah we ah We didn't do the MLR whip around. um
00:52:21
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, we didn't.
00:52:21
Jarrod Dyke
That's all right. Because ah we can spit it.
00:52:22
Grumpy Old Prop
No, that's all right.
00:52:23
Grumpy Old Prop
I'd say the the Free Jacks fucking spit the bit.
00:52:26
Jarrod Dyke
um here I mean, talked about a significant moment that caused that that possibly cost us the game.
00:52:32
Jarrod Dyke
So.
00:52:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, okay. There was that they were, they're up seven, nothing and just dominating play and they they kick for posts and miss. And, um, right off of that, they're off, off the, uh, the 22 drop,
00:52:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:52:47
Grumpy Old Prop
um shit, you know, the sequence after that ended up, uh, uh, in the, right.
00:52:52
Jarrod Dyke
Putting DC in the right and the and the wrong end right slash right end of the the field.
00:52:57
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's, um, yeah, but then they, scored and then they scored off of it. So it was like off of that, whatever the, the next you know couple sequences of play ended with, with a try.
00:53:01
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:53:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, well, you gave, you know, had the opportunity to go into the corner and the ref was ah was massively against, you know, in your favor and and you just let them off. And even if you'd hit it, I don't, like the defense has to feel consider it a win.
00:53:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Even if it was 10-0, you'd still consider it a win. And it's...
00:53:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, the the momentum and the way they were just getting put pressure on them, yeah.
00:53:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. I think that there are some coaches just... um And, you know we were told that came from the top. So that decision came from the top.
00:53:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. Yep.
00:53:35
Grumpy Old Prop
The players were against it. And it's like, that's the other thing is the players want to go for the corner.
00:53:37
Jarrod Dyke
Players wanted to go for the corner. Their players were into it.
00:53:40
Grumpy Old Prop
You let them back themselves, especially against ah an inferior opponent.
00:53:42
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:53:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't play that fucking cute game. um
00:53:47
Jarrod Dyke
No, yeah, no, that's
00:53:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So that's that's the one. So Jess asked me the other day, she's like, you know, how do you yeah how do you feel about Ryan Martin compared to Matthew? And unfortunately, you know, that's that's always going to be the comparison here.
00:54:00
Grumpy Old Prop
um And it's like, you know, i at first I liked Martin a lot more than Matt because I didn't know Matthew that well and I've seen what Martin's doing.
00:54:01
Jarrod Dyke
As of right now, yeah.
00:54:08
Grumpy Old Prop
But it's like, you know, they want under Matthew. And Martin, there' he every so often he does some things where the players just don't show up in key games or like there's just something missing there where it's like I think he's trying to
00:54:18
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:54:24
Grumpy Old Prop
I think he might be looking for the next opportunity rather than coaching what's in front of him. um You know, same thing, like I said, but about the others with, with the you
00:54:29
Jarrod Dyke
Which is a shame.
Northampton's European Performance
00:54:32
Grumpy Old Prop
know, with line of kicking.
00:54:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, it's the game. Game matters. Manage the game. Let the players, yeah, back the players. So, he's my shat it.
00:54:40
Jarrod Dyke
Please. Yep. Yeah, he shatted bit. No doubt. um Anyone you want to throw into Coach Young, player, ref category there?
00:54:55
Grumpy Old Prop
No, I don't think there were, I don't think there was any poorly coach. I mean, for the saints, for everything that happened, I think that, you know, they, they were well coached. They were well prepared for that.
00:55:06
Grumpy Old Prop
There was as prepared as they could be given, given their injuries.
00:55:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:55:09
Grumpy Old Prop
And, um, and they showed up, they, they played their balls off in a, um,
00:55:10
Jarrod Dyke
Agreed.
00:55:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, and you know it's sometimes you have seasons where you you know things aren't going well in your club competition, and it it does translate. And the Saints have rocked up every game in the and the Champions Cup, no matter what's happening in the Prem.
00:55:30
Grumpy Old Prop
And this was no different. So good on them.
00:55:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:55:33
Grumpy Old Prop
this this could have been This could have been a lot uglier, then especially the last couple of weeks with that, or the last couple rounds where you beat Leinster.
00:55:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it could have been.
00:55:41
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's a thing.
00:55:43
Jarrod Dyke
That's a thing. Tis a thing. um
00:55:49
Jarrod Dyke
Trial Week?
00:55:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, shoot. I mentioned it earlier. Fuck, which match? Which match? Which match? I didn't write it down. That was my fault. um
00:56:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Was it the...
00:56:05
Jarrod Dyke
One Super Rugby one's there.
00:56:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it was one Super Rugby. I think it was the Reds. I think it was the Tate McDermott try.
00:56:10
Jarrod Dyke
Tate.
00:56:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, that's a good one.
00:56:12
Grumpy Old Prop
that The first one.
00:56:13
Jarrod Dyke
That was a good one.
00:56:13
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:56:14
Grumpy Old Prop
That was a fucking excellent one. Actually, the second one was good, too.
00:56:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:19
Jarrod Dyke
He was good on the day for sure.
00:56:19
Grumpy Old Prop
But I think... the Was it the first one where there was like just tons of interplay and he just finished it?
00:56:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:56:23
Grumpy Old Prop
um with a long run.
00:56:25
Grumpy Old Prop
like i think there was there was some line breakage and then some good play afterwards and then he just finished it.
00:56:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yes. Yes. it was great.
00:56:30
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, that was obviously we'd love the team tries here at the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. So um especially when it's finished by like beautifully by a scrum half running in the open.
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:56:40
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's always a lot of fun. The Kobus Rhynek special.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um
00:56:44
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, his dad was a sprinter.
00:56:48
Jarrod Dyke
Didn't hear that 10 times when he was in the prim, Jesus.
00:56:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:56:51
Jarrod Dyke
i So I had two kind of in my head. um
00:56:56
Jarrod Dyke
the The Carter try where Satiti had the heads upness to grab the kick.
00:56:59
Grumpy Old Prop
her
00:57:01
Jarrod Dyke
I was like was like, he's in front of everyone, but it's all play on.
00:57:04
Jarrod Dyke
So run Wallace, run, and Leroy Carter ended up being the one to finish it. um i ah that I really appreciated that. But I like the Coles second try. There was a lot of ball movement. I think it was the offload at the end from Slate home and that that put Coles away, and Coles was in good support.
00:57:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:20
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, that was pretty that was pretty awesome.
00:57:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Didn't Coles nutmeg somebody for his first try, too?
00:57:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yes, went through the wickets.
00:57:27
Grumpy Old Prop
that you'd never you'd never see that so that's always fun and a true nu met like ah try and nutmeg nutmeg i i don't know how to how else to say that but yeah grounded it right through someone's legs real fun um
00:57:27
Jarrod Dyke
true to wick
00:57:40
Jarrod Dyke
What are you going to do unless you're one of the, I mean, unless you had the wherewithal to get yourself already low and put hands on the floor, you're SOL.
00:57:47
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah right yeah
00:57:48
Jarrod Dyke
You can't do anything down there. It's like a hockey goalie when the puck's right between their legs. It's like, uh-oh, I am in so much trouble here.
00:57:55
Grumpy Old Prop
the
00:57:55
Jarrod Dyke
I can't play that, but also it's right there.
00:57:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:59
Jarrod Dyke
Not good. Not good. So, that yeah, it's really good. Um, anyway, um, player week.
00:58:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Pinal.
00:58:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:58:16
Grumpy Old Prop
best player Best player on the field as he usually is in it in a Champions Cup final.
00:58:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
Portia Woodman-Wickliffe's Achievements
00:58:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Pinal.
00:58:23
Jarrod Dyke
Hard to say otherwise.
00:58:26
Grumpy Old Prop
and Honestly, there wasn't that, like, outside of that match, there really wasn't much competition for it, to be blunt.
00:58:26
Jarrod Dyke
Uh,
00:58:30
Jarrod Dyke
no, no. Well, painfully I went with, um, Portia Woodman-Wickliffe scoring seven tries.
00:58:42
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, that's a longer story that we cannot get into right now because we'll be here until tomorrow morning.
00:58:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, yeah, she deserves, obviously. Yeah.
00:58:49
Jarrod Dyke
Like, let's not do that to ourselves. But she did score seven. So, um...
00:58:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:58:55
Grumpy Old Prop
And so much that she didn't even know how many she scored. Did you see that clip of her after the match? She's like, i lost track of how many I scored.
00:58:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:59:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And and ah think Alice Soper was like, yeah.
00:59:02
Jarrod Dyke
That's a bad... When someone says that, that's like, ooh, that's not good.
00:59:07
Grumpy Old Prop
And Alice Soper, the the um the journalist, was like, seven.
00:59:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah,
00:59:11
Grumpy Old Prop
She's like, seven? It's like, fuck.
00:59:13
Jarrod Dyke
I like Alice.
00:59:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck off. And I saw like the top five...
00:59:16
Jarrod Dyke
She's funny.
00:59:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um Tri-scored in one match um of all time and in women's rugby, and Portia Woodman-Woodcliffe has three of those top five.
00:59:29
Grumpy Old Prop
think She scored eight once and seven twice, or maybe seven three times.
00:59:31
Jarrod Dyke
That sounds right.
00:59:33
Jarrod Dyke
That sounds right. That sounds right.
00:59:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:38
Jarrod Dyke
um Dick of the
00:59:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:59:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, it was, um hold on, the because this is this is actually would have been second week in a row, um Pellegrini from Moana with two really bad ah cards earned in in a row.
00:59:53
Jarrod Dyke
oh Yeah.
00:59:58
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:59:59
Grumpy Old Prop
So, you know, last week maybe there were there were there were alternates, Luke Pierce. um This week, yeah I think because of of, you know, you did it, you fucked around last week, you do it again this week, no, you're you're dick of the week.
01:00:13
Jarrod Dyke
Dick of the week. I gave it to Hamish Stewart, who scored.
01:00:18
Grumpy Old Prop
<unk>
01:00:18
Jarrod Dyke
And the guy's legs taken out from him, and shit happens. Like, it's wet.
01:00:22
Jarrod Dyke
Like, no shit. And he hums the ball at Fergus Lee Warner. It's like, you wonder why that shit kicked off. He got penalized, actually.
01:00:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:28
Jarrod Dyke
Thank you, Gus Gardner, for being on that. Also, Gus Gardner picked up on Champion D'Krebny's shithousery, and I'm glad, because he's a shithouser only.
01:00:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:00:39
Jarrod Dyke
yeah There's nothing else there that he is.
01:00:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay. here's a So here's a question.
01:00:41
Jarrod Dyke
so
01:00:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry. I know i know we're we're outside of that. um range, but it goes back to an earlier point.
01:00:46
Jarrod Dyke
That's right.
01:00:48
Grumpy Old Prop
is Is Gus Gardner slowly becoming one of the better refs in the world?
Referee Gus Gardner's Recognition
01:00:54
Jarrod Dyke
Absolutely. I consider him top five easily. I like him a lot. he had ah He has blunders. There's no question about it.
01:01:02
Jarrod Dyke
and ah and and and
01:01:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:01:04
Jarrod Dyke
But I think for the most part, right, I think for the most part, and really when we're looking at refereeing and not to get too far into the stuff we talked about before, but when we're looking at refereeing, one of the biggest things that I judge on is what do you do in those big decisions?
01:01:05
Grumpy Old Prop
think so does Luke Pierce, as we're saying, so.
01:01:20
Jarrod Dyke
Can you get them right? And can you, you know, do it in a way like, like, can you arrive at the correct decision? And you know, if it's, and especially in the tight margin ones, it's like, Oh, is that, ah is that enough? Is it, isn't it? And you know, it's, it's hard. Like, can you get it right more often than not for me, just gets it right.
01:01:41
Jarrod Dyke
So he has moments where I'm just like, Oh gosh, what the fuck you doing? and
01:01:45
Jarrod Dyke
And makes me want to tear my hair out. But for the most part, those moments are rare compared to someone like James Dolman, who's absolute dog shit.
01:01:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:01:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:01:53
Jarrod Dyke
And you know, the likes.
01:01:54
Grumpy Old Prop
And Fjarty and all that level. All
01:01:57
Jarrod Dyke
Oh Lord. Yeah, exactly.
01:02:00
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly.
01:02:00
Grumpy Old Prop
all right, moving on.
01:02:01
Grumpy Old Prop
ah like um All right, to start.
01:02:02
Jarrod Dyke
Pick. Um, okay. So we got some tables to figure out here. Um,
01:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
You want to start with supers then? Or we how are we doing this?
01:02:11
Jarrod Dyke
no ill No, I mean, we kind of got to figure them both out.
01:02:13
Grumpy Old Prop
OK, well, that's true.
01:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
Because they are, this is the ultimate week week for the rounds, and then we start knockouts for both comps here.
01:02:24
Jarrod Dyke
So for the Prim. So Bathour won no matter what.
01:02:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
01:02:33
Jarrod Dyke
Leicester, let's go through it as the teams are listed.
Leicester's Playoff Prospects
01:02:36
Jarrod Dyke
So Leicester are playing Newcastle. We can assume they're at least going to get four out of that.
01:02:42
Jarrod Dyke
So that's going to be there. and And that's probably them hosting a home home semifinal here.
01:02:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, they're in.
01:02:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:02:49
Jarrod Dyke
So job done there. Then becomes the fun stuff. Sale, Bristol, Gloucester and series all within touching distance of each other.
01:03:00
Jarrod Dyke
um I just don't know. The one team I think that will do the job is Quinn's potentially could could upend Bristol.
01:03:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Sale. Right. Oh, that. Yes. Yep.
01:03:11
Jarrod Dyke
I don't know. As much as I believe, I just don't see how Exeter do it. Let's just...
01:03:19
Grumpy Old Prop
No, there's no.
01:03:19
Jarrod Dyke
Sale out can do the same things that Exeter do better, and then they can do the other stuff.
01:03:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm. Yeah. that i That I sort of can.
01:03:24
Jarrod Dyke
So...
01:03:26
Jarrod Dyke
And Exeter can't do that shit. So I think Sale is in. They're going to they're goingnna play Leicester probably.
01:03:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:32
Jarrod Dyke
Probably at... They're probably going sneak in at like 59 points because they'll probably get four tries, I'm guessing. So then it's a matter of Bristol... Quinns.
01:03:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm hmm.
01:03:43
Jarrod Dyke
Here's the thing.
01:03:46
Jarrod Dyke
What's the thing that's keeping Gloucester and Saris apart right now? I need to look.
01:03:52
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Gloucester have but its point differential.
01:03:52
Jarrod Dyke
Is it wins? Or is it point differential?
01:03:57
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Gloucester are plus 74, Saracen are plus 30.
01:04:01
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, man. and and i Gloucester may sneak in, is what I'm saying, because Saints are probably naming a no-name team this week.
01:04:09
Grumpy Old Prop
That's my thought exactly.
01:04:11
Jarrod Dyke
So... with that. And I would not be shocked if Bristol got overturned by Quinns.
01:04:21
Jarrod Dyke
Does the Quinns have that?
01:04:21
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, you're you're youre you're you're basically stating my pick-em.
01:04:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, there you go.
01:04:24
Grumpy Old Prop
um if we go yeah If I go through it, um i have I have Harlequins beating Bristol.
01:04:29
Grumpy Old Prop
I have Sale beating Exeter. have Gloucester beating Northampton. Obviously, Leicester beats Newcastle at home. And I have Saris beating Beth.
01:04:35
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
01:04:36
Grumpy Old Prop
um I think Beth, or good like again, just in case you don't know, and right all these games kick off at the same time. So you don't know who's doing what. I still think if if anything, if I'm um Van Grand, I'm looking at this saying, I have a free look at potentially my opponent. you know if Basically, if if Bristol and Gloucester spit the bit and Saris get in, this is my first round opponent.
01:05:06
Grumpy Old Prop
And i can get a free look at them starting a change team.
01:05:07
Jarrod Dyke
right
01:05:09
Grumpy Old Prop
give my guys a little bit of rest and and fucking hammer them. Like, the Tarasins are going to give their best. They have to now because they fucking borked it last week a the last round.
01:05:17
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yeah, last round.
01:05:20
Grumpy Old Prop
This is... Thanks, Dix.
01:05:23
Jarrod Dyke
Woo!
01:05:26
Jarrod Dyke
Motor Speedway over there.
01:05:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:05:29
Jarrod Dyke
ah Hope everyone else heard that besides Woo!
01:05:30
Jarrod Dyke
Hmm.
01:05:31
Grumpy Old Prop
I hope the fucking...
01:05:35
Grumpy Old Prop
which is weird because usually that there's i see a lot of cops patrolling this area. so um Because we're right on we're right down the road from them. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a cop go by in in the next couple of minutes.
01:05:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, um but yeah you get a free look at Saris, who might be your first-round opponent. They're going to send their best. You can get a free look at it.
01:05:57
Grumpy Old Prop
It doesn't matter if you win or lose. You're locked into the number one anyway.
Criticism of Northampton's Losses
01:06:00
Grumpy Old Prop
so um that's what i That's what I think might happen there, but I also think that um Gloucester are going to make that a non-factor.
01:06:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm probably right. um Okay, so there's that. So we've got Ben and I are in agreement on
01:06:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So, Saris end up at fifth, which, you know what, though? But that's, again, preseason, you know, for those of us who are Saris fans.
01:06:21
Jarrod Dyke
We were talking about that would be a fine finish, honestly.
01:06:24
Jarrod Dyke
Is it a little disappointing after the way they kind of responded? Yes.
01:06:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:06:28
Jarrod Dyke
But really, looking back at our preseason, we're like, bit this livable.
01:06:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:06:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yes. and And, you know, and ultimately do the, you know, do the deed in, um and Newcastle too.
01:06:34
Jarrod Dyke
You know who ain't going to play fucking Champions Cup rugby next year?
01:06:43
Grumpy Old Prop
How are you going to lose to fucking Newcastle? Even if it's away, you're one of their two wins on the season.
01:06:45
Jarrod Dyke
In Newcastle. Yeah, that's...
01:06:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:06:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Fucking sit on that.
01:06:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, ah you know, Northampton, that game aside, the Newcastle game is, is the, the, the massive disappointment.
01:06:54
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and coughing up both to Quinn's was painful too.
01:07:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. But again, almost to be, you know, one of those kind of to be expected. Like I'm okay with it. I'm much more okay with it than than than the Newcastle because, you know, they there're even if they're sitting on 55 points, they're in the now they're in the driver's seat like this, you know, this week.
01:07:08
Jarrod Dyke
agreed. ah Agreed.
01:07:14
Grumpy Old Prop
and And there's a lot of a different story here. So, you know, and then obviously if they're 56 because of that, because if they get, you know, if they got the bonus point, um if they played well against Newcastle, that now are even different.
01:07:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
01:07:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Now they're they're looking at, you they're locked in. It's just, you know, are they home or away?
Exeter's Absence from Champions Cup
01:07:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:07:32
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, problems.
01:07:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but at least Exeter won't be playing in the Champions Cup Rugby next year and shaming that competition with their bullshit.
01:07:38
Grumpy Old Prop
That's true.
01:07:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:07:43
Jarrod Dyke
right. So yeah, Ben and I are in agreement. Sale, Gloucester, Leicester, Quinn's, and Saracens.
01:07:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:07:54
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Super. I'm super. Thanks for asking.
01:08:01
Jarrod Dyke
right Chiefs have Highlanders. I'm sure they'll do the job there sir for at least four, which means Chiefs end up one, without a doubt.
01:08:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:08:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
Crusaders vs. Brumbies Preview
01:08:13
Jarrod Dyke
Crusaders are at the Brumbies, which will be interesting because that could be a semifinal preview at some point.
01:08:19
Jarrod Dyke
um And winner will end up in either two or three.
01:08:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
01:08:27
Jarrod Dyke
So that'll be interesting.
01:08:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's a, yup.
01:08:31
Jarrod Dyke
You know, Crusaders have have rocked up when at when asked in big moments, so I think the Crusaders do it, and they're going to get two.
01:08:38
Grumpy Old Prop
I have the Brumbies winning.
01:08:39
Jarrod Dyke
Do you?
01:08:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I believe in them more right now.
01:08:41
Jarrod Dyke
Okay.
01:08:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I still I still feel like the Crusaders are a little bit fraudulent.
01:08:49
Jarrod Dyke
They may well be, but so far they haven't been so bad.
01:08:54
Grumpy Old Prop
I know I'm just I'm not. um I'm not feeling it with them yet.
01:09:00
Jarrod Dyke
I ain't feeling it, man.
01:09:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it's like there.
01:09:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm not saying that they're going to be the Crusaders of old, but...
01:09:05
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
01:09:08
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Hurricanes have Moana and can make break a lot of hearts, but quite frankly, i would i'm i would rather stay at four and play whoever that middle seed is next
Hurricanes' Strategic Positioning
01:09:23
Jarrod Dyke
next week than whoever ends up two.
01:09:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
01:09:25
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, please. Yeah.
01:09:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I have the, i have the, I'm not playing Moana. I think that, uh, um, again, Moana have been good, but, don't think they've been quite good enough and the Canes have been pretty on point the last couple weeks.
01:09:44
Grumpy Old Prop
So yeah.
01:09:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, the last few weeks they definitely responded.
01:09:47
Jarrod Dyke
Started the season a little meh.
01:09:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Um,
01:09:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I got to say that there's there's the the one team as as a chief supporter that makes me nervous out of these playoff contenders is the Hurricanes.
01:10:01
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, they go as Cam and Dewey go.
01:10:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And.
01:10:02
Grumpy Old Prop
um
01:10:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:10:06
Jarrod Dyke
They both play of their brains, then they got good shots. But if they don't, then let's see.
01:10:10
Grumpy Old Prop
And they've already jumped up and and nipped the Chiefs for one this year, so.
01:10:13
Jarrod Dyke
that dead that was well that but That helped Sikaris playoff rugby.
01:10:14
Grumpy Old Prop
had Yeah.
01:10:16
Jarrod Dyke
That was huge.
01:10:18
Jarrod Dyke
so
01:10:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't think, yeah, I think they're going to, and maybe Moana come back after last week, but but play better.
01:10:25
Jarrod Dyke
And play better, at least. i don't think there's a question about that.
01:10:27
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah, they'll play, they certainly will play better. I just don't think it's going to be enough.
01:10:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, understandable.
Blues vs. Waratahs Home Advantage
01:10:34
Jarrod Dyke
Reds probably beat the Druah, unfortunately.
01:10:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:10:38
Jarrod Dyke
so That means... Blues-Taz, which is the first game on Saturday for us.
01:10:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
01:10:48
Jarrod Dyke
Who's going to take it? Blues or War-Taz?
01:10:52
Grumpy Old Prop
And I have ah have the Blues because they're at home.
01:10:52
Jarrod Dyke
For all the marbles.
01:10:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's probably what's going to do it.
01:10:59
Jarrod Dyke
I can tell you, whoever the hell's won, whether it's the Chiefs or the Crusaders, they're going to be fuck.
01:11:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:11:08
Jarrod Dyke
God damn it, why?
01:11:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, okay, so put put it this way. you know Obviously, I think the the Chiefs are going to do the job with with the Highlanders. I would much rather see the Waratahs, but I think it's going to be the Blues.
01:11:19
Jarrod Dyke
Obviously. right I can carry on that one. So you and I are one different. I think the Crusaders will do the job. But you believe the Brumbies will keep GIO as a fort.
01:11:28
Grumpy Old Prop
And I got the Brahms.
01:11:33
Jarrod Dyke
That's okay.
01:11:35
Jarrod Dyke
All right, there's that. um We'll quickly spin ourselves over to the fantasy corner.
Closing and Future Plans Discussion
01:11:41
Jarrod Dyke
If you're going to join us there, we'll see you there. If not, appreciate you joining us. Thanks for being patient with us as we work through our parenthood shit, and we'll catch you guys next week, hopefully.
01:11:50
Jarrod Dyke
Have a good one, everyone.
01:11:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Later.
01:11:52
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.