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Season 7- Episode 21- Never Going Into a Shell (Champions Cup SF & Super Rugby Round 12)
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It's another fun-filled episode with those American rugby knuckleheads. On this episode, we are looking back at the big action in Champions Cup while sprinkling our thoughts on the Lions (which are now confirmed). We cover all things in Dublin and Bordeaux. Then we jump down to Super Rugby land and round the action, including a big one at Sky Stadium. Plus, we stop at Fort Quincy to recap the Free Jacks match. All this and much more. Grab a drink and join us fam!
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Podcast Introduction and Announcements
00:00:28
Jarrod Dyke
Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
00:00:32
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm Ben Glauser.
00:00:33
Jarrod Dyke
We're here, we're in. It's a day late, but we'll... Actually, that's it's advantageous to our fancy stuff. So but ah that is the upside of it being a day later than the usual.
00:00:43
Grumpy Old Prop
It is.
00:00:44
Jarrod Dyke
but them all But then we'll get things going from there. Anyway, let's crack them while we got them, because while there aren't that many matches to talk about, we do have a lot to talk about.
00:00:56
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:00:58
Grumpy Old Prop
And you know the the good news is that um you know there's not really, like you said, not many matches to talk about. And you know by the time this comes out, i we will all know the the Lions roster.
00:01:12
Grumpy Old Prop
So there'll be no like controversies or just you know disagreements or or anything of of that sort going on that that will pretty pretty much negate everything we just talked about.
00:01:14
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:01:20
Jarrod Dyke
so
00:01:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Actually, no, that's not true. It won't negate anything. The games will still be will still have been played. And Mara Toji is...
00:01:35
Jarrod Dyke
Although, um
00:01:36
Grumpy Old Prop
We already know it is the captain.
00:01:39
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the only one we know.
00:01:40
Jarrod Dyke
rumored to be heavily rumored to be captain.
00:01:40
Grumpy Old Prop
At the... At when we...
00:01:42
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:01:44
Grumpy Old Prop
It's basically all but confirmed.
00:01:45
Jarrod Dyke
when we hit the record button on this thing. Yeah. That's what I saw too. Uh, right.
00:01:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, you didn't hit the...
00:01:50
Grumpy Old Prop
request Wait. Okay.
00:01:50
Jarrod Dyke
So make sure that you buy our good friend.
00:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
did.
00:01:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:01:53
Jarrod Dyke
Besides that one, um, make sure you buy a good friend, George, or fancy where we keep coffee your coffee or beer busy man around this around these times as usual.
00:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
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Discussion on Police Violence and Accountability
00:02:08
Jarrod Dyke
our podcast, by the way. I forgot to say that, but that's okay.
00:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, please do that too.
00:02:11
Jarrod Dyke
That's not that important, honestly. That's not that important, obviously. um There is a description here on this podcast, nor should they be in sports or in life. Again, plethora of topics to pick, and out of the hat we pull.
00:02:27
Grumpy Old Prop
um So this segment was started back in 2020 with the the um murder of George Floyd by police.
00:02:39
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:02:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And every so often we, we return to that topic.
00:02:39
Jarrod Dyke
well
00:02:43
Grumpy Old Prop
And today is a um, kind of a convergence of a couple different, uh, versions of that story. One, um, Tyree Hampton was murdered by police in 2023.
00:02:57
Grumpy Old Prop
And just today his, um, the police, uh, who murdered him were acquitted.
00:02:58
Jarrod Dyke
right
00:03:04
Grumpy Old Prop
So, um, fuck that Jerry. Uh, and you know, fuck the authorities who let that happen um but along with that we have the case of ryan hinton and his father who um upon seeing the body cam footage of his son's murder right ryan's murder um
00:03:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:03:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Which proved that police just lied about the whole thing. And that's the other problem with this is that police lie constantly through their fucking teeth. And that becomes the narrative. People like well, don't point a gun at a cop. He didn't.
00:03:42
Grumpy Old Prop
He didn't. They said he did, but he didn't. He didn't even. There's even I even have a question as to whether that was. um Whether the the gun that they found near him was his. The police drop weapons all the time.
00:03:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um And drugs and other things to to frame people.
00:03:59
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:04:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, second off there, Oh, don't be in a car that was stolen. The car wasn't stolen. That was reported stolen. um apparently somebody, whoever owned it had missed a payment or something like that. So the, uh, whoever sold the car, um, decided to report it stolen.
00:04:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, so these, there's four kids in a car, kind of know not known they did anything wrong. Um, get basically ambushed by police and they run, which, um,
00:04:29
Grumpy Old Prop
and And which ultimately ended in in one of them being shot a couple times and killed.
00:04:33
Jarrod Dyke
Thank you.
00:04:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Proving that, yes, they were right to run because the police were not there to help. um Well, the father goes and sees the dash cam footage and then is clearly distraught and and justifiably so. um And ends up running over it an officer, like basically the first cop he sees on the street um and kills him with his car.
00:04:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is, you know, obviously causing outrage, but this is what I said at the time, five years ago, almost to the day. um You know, if if the system won't hold these police accountable, people will.
00:05:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And will it be the person who pulled the trigger? Not all the time. But you're all part of the system. You all want to claim, oh, we're brothers. Well, then... fucking you know clean house.
00:05:22
Grumpy Old Prop
And for there's people out there who are saying, um well, this was just an innocent cop. No, it was not. Because ah like until the bad cops get rooted out and charged and dealt with accordingly for their crimes, because it's you know the they don't start with murder.
00:05:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um They work up there. Until they get rooted out so that before this happens...
00:05:49
Grumpy Old Prop
you're all You're all the same. you're the part You're a bad person. You're a bad cop if you sit there and and allow it to happen. um So you're all dirty.
00:06:01
Grumpy Old Prop
you're all on the roll You're all oppressive. You're all um bigoted. You're all murderers. So fix it or people, or this is going to happen. Like there's a reason that there's so many people saying he's a hero.
00:06:14
Grumpy Old Prop
And I, ah I side much more with them than the people who were, you know, clutching their pearls about it because it's like, Hey, you only care when people start fighting back, then obviously you don't care about the root cause.
00:06:25
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:06:27
Grumpy Old Prop
You don't want the cause. You don't want the problem to go away. So people are going to make their own justice. That's the the story of the human race. People will make their own justice. And if you don't like that, well, then fucking be responsible.
00:06:41
Grumpy Old Prop
So um and this is something that other countries don't have. Like, I'm betting that 90 percent of our listening audience is like. Police kill somebody like if they kill somebody, that would be like a story for for you like a whole year.
00:06:56
Grumpy Old Prop
um That a police murdered somebody, whereas here it's like a fucking Tuesday.
00:06:56
Jarrod Dyke
Right.
00:07:00
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. It's just any other day.
00:07:02
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, you think there's something wrong with policing and and the way, you know, our our culture is because of that. and or that that Not because of it, but that's... The culture feeds into how the way police operate.
00:07:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we got problems. So... um Stop being bigoted. Stop being like, you know, drop your preconceived notions because your preconceived notions that you might have are, again, i'd say just like so with the result of the murders, like just a result of the culture that if you just really, yeah, like lap it up because it it works for you.
00:07:18
Jarrod Dyke
ye Yeah, we do.
00:07:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, you're going to have problems with the people for whom it does not work. So no sympathy.
00:07:44
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:07:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I just don't know. That's the thing. I'm out of sympathy for people like, you know, especially for obviously for police. i've I've known enough of them personally. I've seen what they do. um No, don't really have much sympathy until you fix your shit.
00:07:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:08:03
Jarrod Dyke
Police yourself first, please.
00:08:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Great. That's just like any, you know, any rugby club. Like I just went through that with with my team is we had to flush a lot of people out so that we could then build up something good.
00:08:16
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:08:16
Grumpy Old Prop
That's the way it works.
00:08:17
Jarrod Dyke
It is.
00:08:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Time to do that with police.
00:08:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but Especially people that carry guns legally.
00:08:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, exactly. Mm-hmm.
00:08:27
Jarrod Dyke
All Make sure that you grab our Patreon. I will... i Probably not going anything to it this week, but I should have some time this weekend. So that'll be good. um And I'll be able
Rugby Match Analyses and Strategies
00:08:38
Jarrod Dyke
to update at least the Super Rugby analytics, which is obviously the big one.
00:08:42
Jarrod Dyke
um But yeah. And if you missed last week or the other week when i when we said this, you can buy single posts. So if you just want to buy one of those Super Rugby analytics sheets, I think it's $3 US.
00:08:57
Jarrod Dyke
Pretty good. Not bad. No.
00:08:58
Grumpy Old Prop
That's not a bad deal.
00:08:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Because it's all the whole basically the whole year at this point. And it's unlikely to change drastically at this point.
00:09:00
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:09:05
Jarrod Dyke
Right. You'll at least have a pretty good idea what's going on.
00:09:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:09:09
Jarrod Dyke
So. Okay.
00:09:15
Jarrod Dyke
To the Aviva.
00:09:20
Jarrod Dyke
I. but Not that. Not like that.
00:09:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, that's right. Sorry. um I scrolled way too far down. but Yeah, that's right.
00:09:30
Jarrod Dyke
Attaboy.
00:09:30
Grumpy Old Prop
That game was first.
00:09:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. who keep Keep it in your shorts there, Chief.
00:09:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Sorry. My bad. I was... Yeah. ah thought I thought was like, wait, aren't we at the Stad... No, no, we're not.
00:09:41
Jarrod Dyke
Nope, nope, nope.
00:09:41
Grumpy Old Prop
we're We're at Viva first.
00:09:41
Jarrod Dyke
we're not there yet. we went' We're going to we're going to the Viva first. And...
00:09:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:09:47
Jarrod Dyke
oh my. I'm...
00:09:50
Grumpy Old Prop
I didn't have this on my bingo board at all.
00:09:52
Jarrod Dyke
No, no. But it... It showed... that attacking rugby rugby can be rewarded and should be rewarded.
00:10:04
Jarrod Dyke
Um, and especially the way, you know, don't, and this is why Ben, I get equally pissed off when we see teams that aren't supposed to win underdogs, whatever, you know, and our, especially our guys, um, just, you know, really don't quite go for it.
00:10:20
Jarrod Dyke
They just, you know, try and hang in there and, and be conservative and whatnot.
00:10:22
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:10:24
Jarrod Dyke
And then,
00:10:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Look, if we stay close, maybe at the end time something good will happen.
00:10:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, if you stay close. Yeah, I mean, it...
00:10:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And usually playing that way does not, it doesn't stay close.
00:10:36
Jarrod Dyke
No. No, it doesn't.
00:10:36
Grumpy Old Prop
It's weird how that works out.
00:10:39
Jarrod Dyke
No. And...
00:10:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Then I said, oh shit, we got to play. Oh, well, we've played 75 minutes of, of shell
00:10:43
Jarrod Dyke
Of shit, and all of a sudden we're going to have to turn it on?
00:10:44
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:10:46
Jarrod Dyke
no it doesn't work like that, guys.
00:10:47
Grumpy Old Prop
for five minutes. not No, no, no.
00:10:49
Jarrod Dyke
You going into your shell is little easier than trying to break out of it. Let's be honest about that.
00:10:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:10:54
Jarrod Dyke
And...
00:10:56
Jarrod Dyke
Northampton weren't really in their shell for most of this game. Bar the last five minutes at the at that goal line.
00:11:00
Grumpy Old Prop
They were not.
00:11:02
Jarrod Dyke
that was about it.
00:11:04
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:11:05
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, I mean, Henry Pollock. Wow.
00:11:13
Grumpy Old Prop
if If he's not a lion by the time you're listening to this, it's going to be shocking.
00:11:17
Jarrod Dyke
Something happened that shouldn't have happened. Like, something fucked up.
00:11:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:25
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, freeman Freeman's on the plane.
00:11:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Shit went wrong.
00:11:26
Jarrod Dyke
that's That's a given at this point.
00:11:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:11:29
Jarrod Dyke
Played his ass off. Like, obviously, i mean, and, you know people will say, well, and he even he says, like, well, I happen to fail.
00:11:30
Grumpy Old Prop
He really did.
00:11:35
Jarrod Dyke
Like, listen, you did a good job of finishing off those moves. One of them was these the easy. I think it was the first one that he just kind of fell over.
00:11:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:11:41
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, well, that that that's a good one. But after the rest of it, like, he put the effort in to get there and put effort in everywhere else, too.
00:11:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:11:48
Jarrod Dyke
So it's not like it's just the try scoring. That's his job, but did everywhere else, too.
00:11:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. But he he defends well. he He does all the things a wing is supposed to do, which ah gives him the freedom to express himself and attack.
00:11:56
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:12:01
Grumpy Old Prop
And he does that really well.
00:12:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. While Leinster didn't do themselves a ton of favors, I felt they got really unlucky when Doris came out because he was having a great start to that second half. He scored the try, ripped the ball off. I don't remember who it was.
00:12:17
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe truck. um And then banged down a 50-22 all in like the first, i don't know, 10 minutes or so. ah And then 50... Where did he come off?
00:12:29
Grumpy Old Prop
And unfortunately, Kaelin Doris will not be a lion. Yeah.
00:12:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it sounds like the injury's a lot worse, which is sad because I had him nailed on as the captain for sure.
00:12:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:12:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:12:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, yeah, I think a lot of people did. And that's why i think that was what it was. It was going to be down to him and and Morrow. And because he's hurt and can't make the tour tomorrow.
00:12:40
Jarrod Dyke
and
00:12:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, sad.
00:12:48
Grumpy Old Prop
So um that's ah and that's a big loss for that for that team, too, because he's kind of valuable.
00:12:57
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he's good. and and then the question becomes who... Who do you pick for number eight? And think the answer's still Tom Willis, honestly.
00:13:10
Grumpy Old Prop
I think so too.
00:13:12
Jarrod Dyke
and And I'm not sure that'll be the case, but...
00:13:13
Grumpy Old Prop
I, and I will say that Vander Fleer made a very good case for himself um to get on the plane.
00:13:20
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:13:20
Grumpy Old Prop
Not that he he, like, not that he, I don't think he needs to um at this point, especially with Doris injured. um That can, I think that kind of locks him into a position too.
00:13:31
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:13:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Unfortunately, that's the, you know, the way these things work, but like, yeah, Tom Willis, Jack Willis,
00:13:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. And, and Vanderfleer and Pollock. Yes. Yes. You know, and then it's a question of who else.
00:13:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it really is.
00:13:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, and but then those are questions too. Like, well, well I mean, I don't know how you can leave Tom Willis off. i don't know how you can leave Jack Willis off. So, but people have done things that I don't know how you can do it before.
00:13:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, well, especially when they both have shown interest, too. Yeah, that we we found ways to fuck this whole thing up before, too, so that wouldn't be a but't be first.
00:13:58
Grumpy Old Prop
So,
00:14:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:14:03
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:14:05
Grumpy Old Prop
I saw Sam Warburton was talking about Falato. Anyway, we're getting we're drifting away from the game. But come on, give me a fucking break with Falato.
00:14:10
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:14:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Get out of here.
00:14:13
Jarrod Dyke
No. yeah ah But yes. it And you know. For Finn Smith to go in. And control things the way he did. In that environment.
00:14:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I think it's hard to keep him off. Like he played outstanding and I don't think people talked enough about it. Um, but there was a lot of talk about, uh, Prendergast and his, um, defensive woes.
00:14:39
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, he there was a little bit of a soft effort on on Pollock, but I think a lot of that was he just misjudged Pollock speed and then just yeah, he he took a half hearted swipe at him, but he he wasn't doing shit for that.
00:14:39
Jarrod Dyke
Which did exist.
00:14:51
Grumpy Old Prop
That was the Pollock was gone.
00:14:52
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah. um
00:14:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Like I know people are going to give him, you know, Pendergrass shit for that, but he's not making that ta like as soon as he missed the angle, he's not making that tackle. So I don't think it's a, oh, he can't defend. I think it's a, okay, he doesn't, there's not of that much film on Pollock and and you don't really know a guy's speed until you see it live. And that, yeah flankers don't move that fast.
00:15:17
Jarrod Dyke
Generally, no. No, he's...
00:15:18
Grumpy Old Prop
So, ah yeah.
00:15:20
Jarrod Dyke
It reminds me of another guy that used to play set that play seven for a lot of teams when he was ah when he was much younger.
00:15:20
Grumpy Old Prop
But I,
00:15:27
Jarrod Dyke
Earl.
00:15:28
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah.
00:15:30
Jarrod Dyke
You know.
00:15:31
Grumpy Old Prop
he's done that so He's done that to a lot of teams and until they realized, oh, no, that guy, he's a runner. we got
00:15:36
Grumpy Old Prop
got to take a a soft angle on him.
00:15:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:15:38
Grumpy Old Prop
Maybe, ah you know, yeah. Yeah.
00:15:38
Jarrod Dyke
Then you got to contain him.
00:15:41
Jarrod Dyke
Then to contain him. But yeah, it was a tough... I'm out of work. And then you know i I don't rate Dingwall super highly in terms of his abilities to ah contribute to the attack, but the luscious hands to set up Ram for that try, I was just like, silky soft.
00:16:03
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, o okay, that's that's the quality that people rave about right there. It only comes out in flashes.
00:16:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:09
Jarrod Dyke
It doesn't come out all the time, but man, that is a hell of a place for it to come out right then and there.
00:16:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It does. No, it's not consistent enough. Right. Right.
00:16:17
Jarrod Dyke
Oof.
00:16:21
Jarrod Dyke
Woof, woof. Yeah, and then they ponied up and and, you know, defended with 14 for, like, 14 minutes.
00:16:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, essentially.
00:16:30
Jarrod Dyke
It was like, woof, woof. That was...
00:16:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, because like as soon as Kemeny was back on, Coles was off.
00:16:35
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yeah.
00:16:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, fuck.
00:16:38
Grumpy Old Prop
And that goal line stand was was something else. And then to win the turnover and...
00:16:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:16:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:16:46
Jarrod Dyke
And we talk about guys that... didn't perform like Snaman really didn't perform.
00:16:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No, that was that that's not... You can't lose that ball.
00:16:56
Jarrod Dyke
and And it was, that was like the, that was like the tip of the iceberg.
00:16:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Come on, man.
00:17:00
Jarrod Dyke
That was, he had a lot of problems on, on Saturday. I didn't understand what was going on.
00:17:03
Grumpy Old Prop
He did. He did. that But yeah. um not Not his best. Not the best game we've ever seen him play.
00:17:10
Jarrod Dyke
No. And yeah, it's been said and I'll say it too, because I'm a fan of the guy. What the fuck are you doing sitting Jordy Barrett?
00:17:23
Jarrod Dyke
mean, he was great for 30 minutes when he came on, no doubt.
00:17:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
Team Selections and Player Performances
00:17:26
Jarrod Dyke
But wouldn't you rather have had that for 80? Like...
00:17:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but who's who is he playing instead of?
00:17:35
Grumpy Old Prop
I guess is the question. mean, yeah, i I don't mean...
00:17:35
Jarrod Dyke
ah Probably Henshaw.
00:17:39
Grumpy Old Prop
That's what i think, but it's one of these like...
00:17:40
Jarrod Dyke
he's a better He's a better attacker than Henshaw and just as good, if not a better defender than Henshaw.
00:17:44
Jarrod Dyke
So so i that's where i would that's where I would have gone.
00:17:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Likely, yeah. um
00:17:51
Grumpy Old Prop
But there's there's a bit of a dance with the girl who brought you kind of situation there. And it's hard because, you know, it's not... I don't know.
00:17:58
Grumpy Old Prop
It's...
00:17:58
Jarrod Dyke
Jordy played the first two knockout games.
00:18:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I know what Henshaw has like been. that It's one of those. He's been there. i think there was maybe a little bit of ah a taking Northampton lightly because of, ah you know they're you know, this was this is the best we've seen the Saints since maybe that finals against Bath.
00:18:22
Jarrod Dyke
Possibly.
00:18:24
Grumpy Old Prop
So I don't know that there was a little, the expectation on the, the Leinster side that they were going to see this from the saints.
00:18:33
Jarrod Dyke
and Shame on them for taking anybody lightly.
00:18:33
Grumpy Old Prop
So I, yeah, not, not really.
00:18:35
Jarrod Dyke
that Don't take someone lightly in Champions Cup. don't In a semifinal, you like like that's a joke. If that's truly what happened, that's a joke, and Leo Cullen should be fired. Plain and simple. You can't take semifinals like half-assed.
00:18:54
Jarrod Dyke
you know the
00:18:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I don't think, I don't think starting Henshaw is, ah is half-assing it, but I think that's the other thing is like, uh, yeah.
00:18:59
Jarrod Dyke
But youre you ain't whole-assing it if you butt if you have Jordy Barrett as an option. There's question about that.
00:19:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm, I'm, I guess ultimately I'm not as high on Geordie Barrett as you are at the moment. I, I've, I haven't seen enough from him lately to warrant being like, Oh, he's got to be in there.
00:19:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Um, So that's, I can see that I can, you know, I can see it both ways, but I'm not sure it's a, it's a, that I'm not sure that that changed the outcome.
00:19:32
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, three-point difference. I think Jordy Barrett's definitely a three-point difference.
00:19:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:39
Jarrod Dyke
But in the end.
00:19:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:19:43
Jarrod Dyke
Much bigger difference on the other day, though. um
00:19:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. That was kind of a,
00:19:47
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and as soon as I saw the Toulouse team come out, I'm like, oh, my God, these guys are decimated, right? Well, not decimated, but this is a... As as mighty as Toulouse that is definitely... um And even still, it's a strong team to go out there, but like...
00:20:03
Jarrod Dyke
know, I'm D'Alebe and and no no Kinghorn or Ramos was like, okay, this is this might actually get interesting.
00:20:09
Grumpy Old Prop
no
00:20:11
Jarrod Dyke
yeah Obviously, you know, DuPont was a huge loss as well. um
00:20:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:20:18
Jarrod Dyke
You know, they're missing some of their some of their second row beef as well. They had Flamant and Mayafu, but I wouldn't, I would bet that you would.
00:20:27
Grumpy Old Prop
and Didn't Mafu come off hurt or is that am I thinking of someone else?
00:20:31
Jarrod Dyke
I don't think so. Yeah, and Castro Ferreira as their their next guy into the into the back row is not someone I would be all that excited about.
00:20:43
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:20:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Jelange came in and it was, it was definitely a force that was a good move, but yeah, Castro Ferret and not so much.
00:20:52
Jarrod Dyke
Nah. Yeah, and Vierge, like, nope, same thing. Like, not all that interested in that.
00:21:02
Jarrod Dyke
Not to say that he hasn't done things before, but this is just a different level, as we were just talking about. It's a semifinal. much It's much, much different.
00:21:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:12
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, I'm not...
00:21:13
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, I definitely was not thinking about Damien Pinot, who I knew came off injured um and that that's going to be problematic. ah
00:21:23
Jarrod Dyke
I mean, that'll be kind problematic for the rest of their season going forward.
00:21:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:29
Jarrod Dyke
Burroughs coming back actually did him a lot of favors.
00:21:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It did.
00:21:32
Jarrod Dyke
So um I thought he played it. I thought he had a great game personally. Obviously LBB just the the one shortly after half time i was like, there goes that.
00:21:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:21:44
Jarrod Dyke
This game is over.
00:21:45
Grumpy Old Prop
That's that's it. We can we can close this book for now.
00:21:49
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that was the end.
00:21:49
Grumpy Old Prop
I think I. When was that? What time was that? um Because i't I didn't watch the film. I think I probably watched 60 minutes and I'm like, I'm good.
00:21:59
Grumpy Old Prop
because that that can't be right, because I saw the time of food and try. So, oh, maybe it was after that that I was like, OK, I'm done. That was 77 minutes. So it was definitely over.
00:22:00
Jarrod Dyke
pick my ass up.
00:22:08
Jarrod Dyke
That was 77. Yeah. yeah dan too Bentayama from this badass falls over. This game's over.
00:22:14
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:22:15
Jarrod Dyke
This game's done.
00:22:15
Grumpy Old Prop
ah
00:22:16
Grumpy Old Prop
And click.
00:22:16
Jarrod Dyke
As much as I love him.
00:22:18
Jarrod Dyke
But, yep. Goodbye. Goodbye. And, you know, there was a little bit of life sprung into the game with Kazzotti going off for the yellow, but...
00:22:26
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:22:27
Jarrod Dyke
And Barassi scored short not too long after that, but, like... Yep.
00:22:31
Grumpy Old Prop
It was not enough time there.
00:22:33
Grumpy Old Prop
was... Mm-hmm.
00:22:33
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:22:36
Jarrod Dyke
and yeah You still needed two scorers, and there was about 20 minutes left, which is not impossible, especially if you're to lose. But the you just feel like you could just feel like the the sense of belief for this team was gone by by halftime, really.
00:22:44
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it's not impossible.
00:22:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:22:53
Jarrod Dyke
And you know partly because of the players were missing, including DuPont, but really just also because Bordeaux came out and smacked him right in the mouth.
00:22:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:23:01
Grumpy Old Prop
I
00:23:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. And it like that was, yeah, the Billy Barry tried they right at, right at half, essentially. um
00:23:12
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, yeah, because I feel like it was at that point, you you think but not, not that point, but going, you know, at halftime, if you're to lose, you're like, okay, let's you're back to that. Okay. If we can just keep this in tight, like we, we if we keep it tight, we we can do something at the end.
00:23:12
Jarrod Dyke
Ouch.
00:23:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And then,
00:23:34
Jarrod Dyke
That didn't happen.
00:23:34
Grumpy Old Prop
BDBRA scored. It's like, okay, no, we can't but can keep in in touch with this game. um
00:23:41
Jarrod Dyke
That did not happen.
00:23:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck.
00:23:42
Jarrod Dyke
Can't confirm.
00:23:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:23:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it it was... Yeah, this was a great show of attacking rugby once again, and obviously this time from Bordeaux, who have been the dominant force in this competition with... You know, they had some... I'd say they've had some sleepy moments in games, but really they...
00:24:05
Jarrod Dyke
They would have had already done enough to get themselves over the line more often than not. So this was probably the most complete performance so far, which is a pretty good time to do it.
00:24:16
Grumpy Old Prop
right it's that's that's the weirdest thing because i've been like bordeaux they're fun to watch i've loved them for a while and it's just like but they're gettable um if you can catch them sleeping you can catch them on a you know they're they've decided to have a smoke break or something um
00:24:31
Jarrod Dyke
hmm.
00:24:34
Grumpy Old Prop
This team does not look like that, and they haven't this year in Champions Cup. They've looked motivated, and that's a scary thing.
00:24:38
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:24:42
Jarrod Dyke
Well, and I think, and he was he's been here, but don't totally dismiss the addition of Pete Samu into this back row.
00:24:49
Grumpy Old Prop
that's I was just about to say that, too, because it's like...
00:24:51
Jarrod Dyke
Because they've they've had some they've had a back row like this without Samu.
00:24:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:24:57
Jarrod Dyke
It was just guys like Diaby and Petty that were just big bruisers, and they weren't super dynamic.
00:25:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:25:05
Jarrod Dyke
And then Pete Samu comes in and brings a ton of dynamism to this whole thing and really makes life hard on other teams because, yeah, you have four guys there, guys can beat you up, and then Samu comes in and is able to you know make moves, make steps, and and run by you.
00:25:20
Jarrod Dyke
So that's definitely a different level. And obviously 90% of their backs can just blow it right by you as well. So it is ah it is a balance that I don't think the back row had for Bordeaux before he came in.
00:25:33
Grumpy Old Prop
no right and i think that's and and also the the leadership that he brings too of um you know he does have that physical presence as little to go along with the the running so it's like dude get on my fucking level let's go and and so he's one of those he'll put the the the forwards on his back in a lot of ways and demand more from them and that's been to me that's the difference too is that i've always seen seen them as you know and obviously you know i'm not one of the one of these like oh you need the physicality you need the physicality um you need
00:25:47
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely. Mm-hmm.
00:26:02
Jarrod Dyke
definitely
00:26:03
Grumpy Old Prop
like But you needed a little bit and applied appropriately. and I think Samu, which is this is really weird to be saying about Pete Samu. I feel very fucking weird about this.
00:26:15
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, considering what we know about him and previously.
00:26:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. this is not's It's so weird that this is not the Pete Samu we saw um in Australia for all these years. It's it's a different different version of him.
00:26:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I like it a lot.
00:26:29
Jarrod Dyke
ah you Yeah, you do I mean, you develop things going on with your your style when you go when you when you take these
00:26:40
Jarrod Dyke
contracts abroad and know, you make yourself better, and that's that's part. The money is definitely a reason that you do it, but also, like, consider the competition and how hard this playing on these teams is and playing in the top 14 is with, you know, you look across from him in this game.
00:26:51
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah right
00:26:57
Jarrod Dyke
You had Jack Willis, who 90% of people in the world have nailed on as a Lions tourist, let alone probably a starter.
00:27:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:27:04
Jarrod Dyke
you know And that's not that's nothing to sniff at by any means whatsoever.
00:27:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:27:07
Jarrod Dyke
and yeah And Willis has also been one of those guys that's benefited from it and changed his game and elevated himself to make himself better and make you know make life hard on other teams more in more ways than he could before.
00:27:24
Jarrod Dyke
pretty Pretty outstanding from him.
00:27:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, we saw that with Skelton too. But I mean, I know he came to Sari's first, but he's still been a monster um as he moves on.
00:27:27
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:27:31
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's... the Yeah. It's like...
00:27:37
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, this is the other reason guys go to this tournament, and that's because there's some good stuff.
00:27:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, we know Australia...
00:27:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:42
Jarrod Dyke
Joey Carbiger must be excited to be along for this armchair ride lately.
00:27:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:27:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Although, you know, with with Panoa, you know do you think they move Burroughs to 14 and have at
Rugby Finals and Implications
00:27:54
Jarrod Dyke
That's a possibility. Or they plug in that donut fucking Ben Rensberg in there and push Moifana to the wing.
00:28:05
Jarrod Dyke
It's a possibility as well. I'd say both are extremely possible.
00:28:07
Grumpy Old Prop
I would not do that. Yeah.
00:28:11
Jarrod Dyke
I like where you're going, and I would prefer to do that myself, but I ain't fucking coaching this team.
00:28:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:17
Jarrod Dyke
So got nothing to say about it.
00:28:18
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Who knows what they will choose? Yeah.
00:28:22
Jarrod Dyke
So we are going to have Saints and Bordeaux in Cardiff in a couple weeks.
00:28:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Exactly as everybody saw it happening at the beginning of the season.
00:28:34
Jarrod Dyke
ah You know, this is good for this is good for the rugby in general, but especially for this tournament. Really, did we want to see Leinster to lose Chapter 5 or whatever the fuck it is?
00:28:44
Grumpy Old Prop
marria
00:28:45
Jarrod Dyke
No.
00:28:45
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:28:46
Jarrod Dyke
i'm I'm glad that at least one of them lost lost and one of these other teams stepped forward. Really, I'm extremely excited that both these teams have said, fuck that bullshit. We need not to have that that happen.
00:28:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:28:56
Jarrod Dyke
and We're in We're going to make like everyone... ah All those bookies going to be like, what the fuck? but
00:29:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Yeah. There is too much in rugby these days that you know you're like you can pretty... reliably predict going into a a competition.
00:29:11
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:29:12
Grumpy Old Prop
And and this is is good for the sport.
00:29:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:29:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Parody and and new teams coming along. Like, you know, Saints might not be having the best premiership season.
00:29:25
Jarrod Dyke
no
00:29:26
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, wouldn't it be hilarious? Now, hold on. Where are they in in the Prem standings? Are they eight?
00:29:31
Jarrod Dyke
Seventh.
00:29:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Okay.
00:29:34
Jarrod Dyke
I believe.
00:29:37
Grumpy Old Prop
they are, yeah, they're seventh tied with, tied with Quinns, but they have, I guess it's what more wins and a high, um, better point differential, but it's like, they're nowhere.
00:29:44
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:29:48
Grumpy Old Prop
i mean, at the moment they need a lot of help to get into, um, they need, yeah, they need to make up 10 points in three matches to get into knockouts.
00:29:58
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i was I was reading the percentages on on them, and whoever was writing it was like, yeah, they they are basically eliminated.
00:30:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:30:05
Jarrod Dyke
I was like, yeah, yep, yep, Quinn's too.
00:30:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:30:07
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:30:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. And so they're going, you know, they're not really going anywhere there, but they're not going to defend their title ah successfully. Um, but they could still win it They could still win even like greater hardware, which, um, good for them.
00:30:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:30:23
Grumpy Old Prop
i'm I'm
Super Rugby Standings and Team Analysis
00:30:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:30:24
Grumpy Old Prop
happy there. Like it's, it is proof that, you know, they've they've just had a down year, um, in the prem. So it just goes to show you can put things together. Um, anyway and in a different style of a different format competition and their shit it's one of those like on any given Friday Saturday Sunday um they could beat anybody or they could lose to anybody
00:30:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:30:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Makes it exciting.
00:30:51
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:30:52
Jarrod Dyke
Makes it exciting.
00:30:55
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, we are, yeah. Yeah, and any year, anytime you can put silverware together, back-to-back years, especially major silverware like your your domestic competition in the and then Champions Cup, it does good for your club.
00:31:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:31:10
Jarrod Dyke
So good on them.
00:31:13
Jarrod Dyke
I haven't done it yet, but potential is obviously still there.
00:31:16
Grumpy Old Prop
It's there.
00:31:17
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go, let's do a quick whip around of ah Super and then we can get onto the superlatives. Blues Force.
00:31:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Nah.
00:31:26
Jarrod Dyke
Force is just so much different in Perth as to anywhere else.
00:31:29
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah they are. Right.
00:31:32
Jarrod Dyke
Really.
00:31:32
Grumpy Old Prop
And yeah, the Blues just were it what took them a little bit to get going. It took 15 minutes before they they got it on the board, but then it was just, okay, we're just going to score.
00:31:44
Grumpy Old Prop
you know we'll We'll do it again. oh Oh, Tiz. Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course.
00:31:48
Jarrod Dyke
Tisano, but that's it.
00:31:49
Grumpy Old Prop
um Right. And as soon as currently Beal scored, it's like, oh, that's that's what this is.
00:31:55
Jarrod Dyke
This is how sad we are right now. This is how sad we are.
00:31:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:32:00
Jarrod Dyke
and what
00:32:03
Jarrod Dyke
um Over to Fiji, though. Again, another team that just finds its way at home, but cannot buy a goddamn point on the road.
00:32:14
Grumpy Old Prop
No. And that's that that's the big difference between Fiji last year and Fiji this year is that they will defend their castle extremely well. um And it's it's really hard to play there. um But they they do not travel well.
00:32:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Not this year anyway.
00:32:27
Jarrod Dyke
No, they've traveled quite poorly, say least.
00:32:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, it's... it's um And I feel... The good news is for the draw, I feel like they found their team that they're going to use more often than not now, which is good.
00:32:44
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:32:44
Grumpy Old Prop
I
00:32:47
Jarrod Dyke
But... um Yeah. It's going to be tough. it's They're...
00:32:52
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, it it also wasn't exactly a...
00:32:53
Jarrod Dyke
theyre
00:32:55
Grumpy Old Prop
The Reds didn't exactly bring their best. Let's put it that way. They brought A-B plus team.
00:33:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:33:05
Grumpy Old Prop
So, yeah.
00:33:09
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:33:09
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, no disrespect to Harry McLaughlin Phillips, but um you're not Tom Lina.
00:33:14
Jarrod Dyke
Tom Lyle is better than you, dude. Sorry. just These are just facts. These are just facts.
00:33:19
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah and you know we'll see him later but that you know Dre Pakejo I love you you're not Daogunu it's just facts and Jock Campbell um yeah I'll move on from that we don't need to finish that thing
00:33:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no. I think they swapped...
00:33:44
Jarrod Dyke
Baddest thoughts. Baddest many thoughts. um
00:33:51
Jarrod Dyke
I did not have this one on my bingo board, truly.
00:33:55
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:33:56
Jarrod Dyke
i The Bale and Sullivan show. Like...
00:34:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Dick.
00:34:01
Jarrod Dyke
If you told me that he was going to do that, I'd be like, you're lying to me. Go fuck yourself.
00:34:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, well...
00:34:07
Jarrod Dyke
I don't appreciate you lying to my face like that.
00:34:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Right?
00:34:11
Jarrod Dyke
But here we are. It happened. was like, ah okay okay. Especially coming off the bench. I was like, I mean, Kenny Nihalo, like, oh, shit.
00:34:18
Grumpy Old Prop
right
00:34:22
Jarrod Dyke
He's he's definitely done, unfortunately. Yeah.
00:34:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I didn't... Yeah.
00:34:27
Jarrod Dyke
yeah it was ah It was an NCI.
00:34:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Which kind of Oh, yeah.
00:34:29
Jarrod Dyke
I was just like, yep, you are done, sir. Yeah, just stepped wrong and went down like ah in a heap.
00:34:33
Grumpy Old Prop
That's right. That's right.
00:34:35
Jarrod Dyke
was like, you're done.
00:34:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:34:37
Jarrod Dyke
That's terrible.
00:34:37
Grumpy Old Prop
That's right.
00:34:39
Jarrod Dyke
That sucks.
00:34:39
Grumpy Old Prop
It is. i also feel that they've just been... like I don't think they've been managing him well. And so theres there's a little bit of me being being angry at at Keynes for that. Because it's like... He's a good player.
00:34:52
Grumpy Old Prop
But he's got... a large frame and 20, how, I don't know how he's only 26. Cause he seems like one of these guys who's like 36. thirty six
00:35:02
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause he's feel, just feels like he's been around for forever.
00:35:02
Jarrod Dyke
Van Rant forever.
00:35:04
Grumpy Old Prop
But, um, I guess he started young, but it's like, he's never been a guy you could just rely on. You could plug in at wing and just keep him there all season. He's been a guy you have to like use a little judiciously.
00:35:04
Jarrod Dyke
hmm. Mm hmm.
00:35:15
Grumpy Old Prop
And I, I feel like Keynes have kind of done him wrong a little bit by putting him at 11 and just leaving him be, um, that could be just by need for the team.
00:35:28
Grumpy Old Prop
Cause he's the best they've got.
00:35:30
Jarrod Dyke
This year, it's probably need, I would say.
00:35:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:35:33
Grumpy Old Prop
um But I would have liked to, you know, it's one of those, i just think they overused him and he broke and that's that, that saddens me, especially when fucking, yeah, the impertinence of his sub to come in and do that.
00:35:33
Jarrod Dyke
Because they they, yeah.
00:35:40
Jarrod Dyke
Distinct possibility. ah I'm not ruling that out.
00:35:49
Jarrod Dyke
I would not have had that on my bingo board by any means whatsoever. um The good news for the cane's sake is I thought... ah There's been a massive improvement from Callan Harkin. There's been a massive improvement from Pune Vi.
00:36:07
Jarrod Dyke
Billy Proctor is back. He is the same wrecking ball pain in the ass that he has been for most of his career. So that is good news for for them.
00:36:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like, what the fuck? He had a couple warm-up games where he didn't really show up. and
00:36:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, he was a terror.
00:36:23
Grumpy Old Prop
He's like, oh yeah, by the way, I'm i'm i'm healthy now.
00:36:25
Grumpy Old Prop
I'm good.
00:36:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:36:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Dick.
00:36:27
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:36:28
Jarrod Dyke
Ruben Ruben love played extremely well. I thought that was extremely impressive with the way he just advanced his game in the last couple of weeks. So great, great to see him in there.
00:36:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:36:37
Jarrod Dyke
Uh, but yeah, and then, so, you know, some of the forwards rolled up their sleeves and and just got to work and, um, I can't wait. i actually can't wait to have Caleb Delaney coming back. I can't believe I said that, but like he's, he he's actually been very good for them.
00:36:51
Jarrod Dyke
And the two got Gallagher. I thought got away with a couple of big, big high shots. i was like, yeah that didn't look good, but nobody looked at it. i was like, okay.
00:36:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, but it's <unk>s Nick Barry. What are you to
00:37:02
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. it TMO as well. um
00:37:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:37:08
Jarrod Dyke
But yeah, so I'm, I'm overall very happy.
00:37:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I think I feel like the TMOs in this, in this competition generally just sit in that, um, that little room they've got, the little bunker they've got. And like,
00:37:18
Jarrod Dyke
They hide the button, I swear.
00:37:21
Grumpy Old Prop
they they I don't know if they even watch the game. I think they're just like chilling and they're like, Oh, Oh, you need me? Like if you call me, I'll, I'll, so I'll start paying attention.
00:37:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I swear to God, they just they play hide the but the button in the booth over there.
00:37:31
Grumpy Old Prop
Hmm.
00:37:31
Jarrod Dyke
And that's what that's what's happening. so but yeah, so I'm, quite frankly, Hurricanes hit the points so much more badly than the Chiefs did.
00:37:41
Grumpy Old Prop
They did. They did. The Chiefs are are good. um Yeah, I didn't... that That's something I probably should have seen coming. It's like... At least, the you know, the performance, if not the ah the result.
00:37:53
Jarrod Dyke
the result
00:37:54
Grumpy Old Prop
You know, because, you know, credit to Keynes. They played a lot better, um especially in the second half. um
00:38:01
Jarrod Dyke
yep yeah well rona got that freaking one at the at the end i was like dude eat it eat it eat it and nope i saw it coming a mile away too i was like god damn it like it was sullivan that threw it i was like god
00:38:02
Grumpy Old Prop
I think think Chiefs were like, okay, if we lose this, it's not the end of the world. And they played like that, which is not... You can't...
00:38:21
Jarrod Dyke
was like, no, no, no, no. Well, there's that. That was fun.
00:38:27
Jarrod Dyke
Definitely had me thinking, this is not going to go well today by when that happened at halftime. But, eh, worked out okay.
00:38:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:38:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep. In the end, was all right.
00:38:35
Jarrod Dyke
Worked out okay.
00:38:37
Jarrod Dyke
Let's go to GIO in Canberra.
00:38:42
Jarrod Dyke
Man, I can't figure out this Waratahs team. The Brumbies are getting back to the way they they usually are. So, goods and bads about that.
00:38:53
Jarrod Dyke
But I can't figure out this freaking Taz team.
00:38:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:38:56
Jarrod Dyke
Like,
00:38:59
Jarrod Dyke
I, they should.
00:39:00
Grumpy Old Prop
They should be better than this. They should be so much better than this.
00:39:02
Jarrod Dyke
And they have Gordon back, even though they get carded in this. They have G. Gordon back. Like, I look at their front row, Bell, Parecki, and Tupou, even if one of them's on the bench, is still something that you would just break your hand off, break someone's hand off if they they told you that was their front row.
00:39:18
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yes.
00:39:21
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:39:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:39:23
Jarrod Dyke
Second row is probably the one place that they're really lacking. I feel like Amadisero needs to step forward because he's probably the best athlete of all of them, but he just hasn't done that yet.
00:39:31
Grumpy Old Prop
you No, and he was pretty good last year. um Not so much this year.
00:39:37
Jarrod Dyke
No. And then ah Gordon's back, but and Wilson did okay when he was in there. I'll give him credit. like That was a tough spot to be in. I'm not... sold on Crichton with, apparently neither is McKellar.
00:39:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, that that's
00:39:49
Jarrod Dyke
Cause he's playing, he's playing Ed Ben this week. So.
00:39:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And that that, to me, I think that's it, is that Edmet is your best option. and And what the fuck are you thinking sitting in? but then That's to been the the difference for for the Taz. If if there's that one think one specific thing I can point to, it's it's that they're they're playing a substandard 10 rather than the guy who was one of the best 10s in the competition last year.
00:40:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:40:19
Grumpy Old Prop
Kind of, that matters.
00:40:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. No cutting an argument on me.
00:40:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Midfield's a little lacking when Fuchetti's not in there. When he's in there, he can he can make out he can cover up a lot of gaps, but...
00:40:25
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Yeah, but... Still, Walden fucking sucks.
00:40:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's terrible. um but O'Donnell's young, so I'll give him time.
00:40:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:40:36
Jarrod Dyke
um And then, yeah, like, they need to find ways to get...
00:40:42
Jarrod Dyke
Joseph Acuso-Souli into space, because...
00:40:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, i don't I don't know why they're not getting too elite, but...
00:40:47
Jarrod Dyke
he's a monster.
00:40:48
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Yeah, I'm also not sure why he can't play 12.
00:40:50
Jarrod Dyke
Ball in hand.
00:40:53
Jarrod Dyke
I think they could. I think they just wanted it full back whatever reason.
00:40:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, he's doing a great job back there, so i'm not I can't really say too much. He scores freaking feels like every other match, but but that's it. that's That's also the thing is he's doing his defensive job. is i don't There's stuff i don't see i don't I don't see and I can't answer those the question,
00:40:59
Jarrod Dyke
I, yeah.
00:41:14
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:41:14
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:41:17
Grumpy Old Prop
but I would want to get him the ball more than they they they are with him at 15.
00:41:21
Jarrod Dyke
I think when i think if if and when Jorgensen's healthy, you can probably put him, Riley, and Kellaway in the same back three, and that's probably kind of, and Kellaway's shown ah very good competency at playing 15, so that's fine. So is Jorgensen as well, to be fair.
00:41:39
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:41:39
Jarrod Dyke
um
00:41:40
Jarrod Dyke
And then you can bump Focchetti to 12, and you can put Sewelly at 13, that's how you get that guy into space, and that's how you get that guy the ball a little bit more, and away we go.
00:41:44
Grumpy Old Prop
ah thirteen 13. Yeah, I wouldn't. That's another option.
00:41:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:41:52
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:41:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Especially when I met at 10.
00:41:56
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, you're welcome, Dan McKellar.
00:41:59
Grumpy Old Prop
We fix it for you, dick.
00:42:02
Jarrod Dyke
You need some fixing at Leicester, apparently. That's why they sent you home.
00:42:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, right. There's a real, we're starting, I'm starting to see a pattern here.
00:42:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, no shit. um And then let's go over to...
00:42:17
Jarrod Dyke
Dunedin. And Highlanders just fall short again. And it's... Oh, man. And it's been so it's it's a guy that's been talked about before and the disappointment around him. And for me, it is Sam Gilbert to a point.
00:42:35
Jarrod Dyke
Like, bags of talent, but... And... Has so many abilities as a back. ah Should be able to put this team you know on his shoulders and say, all right, I can get you guys a little bit further than we have been.
00:42:51
Jarrod Dyke
But he hasn't. And it's disappointing for me.
00:42:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it is.
00:42:55
Jarrod Dyke
you know, Tabataba Nawa has done a great job stepping forward and and playing in the midfield for this team.
00:42:58
Grumpy Old Prop
hmm.
00:42:59
Jarrod Dyke
And I give him loads of credit and he is a bastard to play against having with the Hurricanes having already played against him. But yeah, Gilbert just like, you can't be sitting there telling me that the best Sam Gilbert is worse than the best Thomas Humaga Jensen.
00:43:09
Grumpy Old Prop
Yep.
00:43:21
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, Humaga Jensen, like,
00:43:23
Grumpy Old Prop
do
00:43:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, that's... That's harsh. But yes.
00:43:24
Jarrod Dyke
i think I think we can agree that, though.
00:43:29
Jarrod Dyke
So, and then... and Yeah, Tangy Tao and and and Hurley both getting hurt didn't help.
00:43:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, it doesn't help that they have no... Yeah, but these forwards, I'm i'm also not...
00:43:37
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah. Talk about it. like I see why the Hurricanes let TK out and walk.
00:43:45
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:43:46
Jarrod Dyke
You know, I'm like, hmm. You had potential, but clearly you have not realized it and you've just kind of plateaued and either refused to get better or just aren't simply not getting better.
00:43:51
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:43:55
Grumpy Old Prop
like
00:43:58
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, your best forward is a prop, which is never a good thing. Yeah. And outside of that, your best forward might be Fabian Holland. And that... Yeah.
00:44:12
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, look, ah if I'm wrong, I can be wrong. I i just... um' I don't see anybody better in that...
00:44:19
Jarrod Dyke
No. I agree. no I see different weeks where some of the forwards, one forward looks like they could be better than any but any of the others, but no consistency whatsoever.
00:44:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes. I'll give you that.
00:44:34
Jarrod Dyke
whatsoever and There's a point where
00:44:34
Grumpy Old Prop
There it is. Yeah.
00:44:37
Jarrod Dyke
you're happy to take a different guy stepping forward each week, but you still need the the the the consistency and you need the standard to be a certain way.
00:44:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:44:45
Jarrod Dyke
Like you can't be through the roof and then into the floor then, you know, back to back weeks.
00:44:46
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. yeah
00:44:50
Jarrod Dyke
It just, it isn't good for you. You know, you can be through the roof and then back to earth, which is fine.
00:44:53
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:44:55
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:44:56
Jarrod Dyke
You know, there's a difference between those two things that happens.
00:44:58
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, no, it's, it's, but right. It's your, oh, you're great. and then you're complete detriment to your team.
00:45:03
Jarrod Dyke
yeah
00:45:03
Grumpy Old Prop
Whereas Holland's consistent mediocrity. um
00:45:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Like, you know what you're going to get from him. It's not right.
00:45:11
Jarrod Dyke
terrifyingly quote unquote good.
00:45:15
Jarrod Dyke
ah
00:45:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:18
Jarrod Dyke
oh man. Well, yeah. I'm sorry, Jamie Joseph. You guys are in trouble playing simple.
00:45:22
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:45:24
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. but's so That's that's a, I mean, it's tight enough down there for that fifth and sixth spot that, ah but you know, even fourth, a lot could happen in in three weeks, but boy, oh boy, the word and they're off this week too. So,
00:45:40
Jarrod Dyke
I think they have two matches left.
00:45:43
Grumpy Old Prop
and i'm I'm sure it was ah an emotional game for you on the other side. and um But for for Jackson Garden, Batch Up must have been.
00:45:51
Jarrod Dyke
Playing in the stadium as his brother used to play in.
00:45:54
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:45:55
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:45:55
Grumpy Old Prop
um Yeah, that that could have that must have been something.
00:46:01
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. As much as we're crapping on Highlanders, Moana have been great. you know they' we've We've talked about it for a little while and obviously having a
00:46:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:46:11
Jarrod Dyke
world player of the year type of person like Artie Savella is extremely helpful, but he's, he's made and go ahead.
00:46:11
Grumpy Old Prop
It's...
00:46:15
Grumpy Old Prop
its Yeah. How... How much has he helped Miracle Phylogy achieve his potential?
00:46:21
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, well that's the exact person I was just thinking of. Yeah, and pressure's off Miracle, which is good.
00:46:27
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:46:29
Jarrod Dyke
um And Miracle's now given the space to show what he can do without having to you know be an Artie Savella, because there's there's only one Artie Savella, let's be honest.
00:46:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:46:36
Grumpy Old Prop
Be the man, right.
00:46:39
Jarrod Dyke
you know That's just how it is. um
00:46:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:46:41
Jarrod Dyke
So he's been given the space because teams are like, we cannot let fucking Artie beat us, but... Now a Miracle's beaten some teams too, so it helps.
00:46:47
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, right. Mm-hmm.
00:46:51
Jarrod Dyke
It helps tremendously. And, you know, there their front row has has made leaps and bounds, I would say.
00:46:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:46:57
Jarrod Dyke
you know, there the yeah, the back row's really good between Miracle, ah him, and Buck. I can't remember the other guy's name, but you know who I'm talking about.
00:47:04
Grumpy Old Prop
Tai Loa.
00:47:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, that's the one. Thank you. And, yeah, and then, you know you have a sensational player like Kyron Tamifalow. Like, you know, we talked about, the play of garden bash of Pellegrini, how they're taking pressure off William Pavilion, how he's able to play with more freedom. Like there are good things going on here for Tana Umaga. And I'm, I'm really happy to see that.
00:47:26
Jarrod Dyke
And if we can continue to have some sort of parody between in this league, between Moana, the Drua, you know, force have shown to be assholes at points and times now, which is good.
00:47:38
Jarrod Dyke
Um, yeah, only makes the only makes the competition better. So,
00:47:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And especially credit to Moana for winning on the road. um
00:47:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:47:46
Grumpy Old Prop
that's Just like Fiji, that's been ah you know not easy for them. i mean, it's not easy to win any of these games on the road. um But this is a team that they probably should have beaten going in and they they took care of business. So good really good for them. this is that's ah That's very positive for them.
00:48:04
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, totally. Good stuff for them.
00:48:08
Jarrod Dyke
All right. Let's go to Fort Quince.
00:48:11
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, wait, how many how many teams make the playoffs in this?
00:48:13
Jarrod Dyke
What's up?
Match Highlights and Team Evaluations
00:48:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Is it six?
00:48:16
Jarrod Dyke
Six.
00:48:17
Jarrod Dyke
Six. And then there's some weird weird thing that happens in the first round, and then they figure it out from there.
00:48:17
Grumpy Old Prop
And...
00:48:23
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, like Moana, I mean, Moana's in it. they're they're They're at six.
00:48:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep.
00:48:27
Grumpy Old Prop
So good for good for them.
00:48:30
Jarrod Dyke
Awesome. Let's go to Fort Quincy.
00:48:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is something everybody would like to say this weekend except for Houston.
00:48:37
Jarrod Dyke
You know, there was...
00:48:41
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I mean, their last two trips to New England have not been awesome for them, unfortunately. It was this and then was the Father's Day game two years ago where they just got absolutely housed.
00:48:49
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:48:55
Jarrod Dyke
That was, yeah, I mean, they started off rough and it didn't get it any better.
00:48:59
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, they yeah this this game, they pretty much got a house two. So, I mean, maybe not not maybe not quite as bad, but that wasn't good for them.
00:49:05
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, oh yeah, they did.
00:49:11
Jarrod Dyke
No. No. Really hurt their put themselves in the standings, obviously, for the sake of the Free Jacks there. They're just trying to keep pace with everyone and try to stay in front because, you know, there's good teams in the East. There's no question about that.
00:49:27
Grumpy Old Prop
I question it. I mean, no, there are some. hounds are good.
00:49:30
Grumpy Old Prop
um
00:49:30
Jarrod Dyke
Hounds are good.
00:49:32
Jarrod Dyke
um that Is that this weekend?
00:49:35
Grumpy Old Prop
Yes.
00:49:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:49:38
Grumpy Old Prop
That is Saturday.
00:49:39
Jarrod Dyke
i
00:49:41
Jarrod Dyke
I got a semi just thinking about that.
00:49:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:49:47
Jarrod Dyke
Got to semi. um But yeah, there was an just the boys played brilliantly as well. Like there's no question about it. If you didn't watch the match, go ahead and you're welcome.
00:50:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, it was it's it was a fun match to watch. Really well played by um but New England. Oh, that sucks.
00:50:11
Grumpy Old Prop
Anyway, um yeah, I'm trying to log in to see, or I'm trying to see the stats for it.
00:50:14
Grumpy Old Prop
but Maybe, ah i they on...
00:50:14
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, yeah, I hate that.
00:50:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, but king of the king of the foot race, as it as it was termed, Paula Velicana.
00:50:25
Jarrod Dyke
Who put it in? Did Rue put the kick in? And he's just like, there's space back here, and I think there's only one person that's going to win this thing.
00:50:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, yes.
00:50:32
Jarrod Dyke
Maybe it was Holland's head, but it doesn't matter. It was still...
00:50:34
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it was Rue because it was it was passed out um ah ah past Holland's head to him.
00:50:40
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, so it's like, yep, all right, here.
00:50:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:50:43
Jarrod Dyke
Paula, you go do your thing, and I'm just going to watch you do it. Because this ball is this ball's yours and only yours. And really, that's just how was going to be. so Yeah, it was just an absolutely ridiculous play.
00:50:56
Grumpy Old Prop
There we go. Oh, it's it is. Oh, they don't have anything on the ah on rugby pass. They don't have, ah can't click through into stats or any or or the team or anything.
00:51:02
Jarrod Dyke
The stats or anything. Lame. Lame.
00:51:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Very lame.
00:51:07
Jarrod Dyke
But, yeah, really good performance, and... thinking we're going to Patras back soon, which is only bad news for the rest of the league.
00:51:15
Grumpy Old Prop
It really is, because,
00:51:17
Jarrod Dyke
So, yeah, if they get him back, then, yeah, well, Holland's head didn't play badly by any means whatsoever, especially this, you know, yep.
00:51:18
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:51:25
Grumpy Old Prop
No, he played amazing. He played out of his mind. um Certainly better than than Houston's 10 who was poop who kept dropping the ball.
00:51:35
Jarrod Dyke
but Yeah, they eventually moved him out to wing. They're like, all right, you're done. We're going to hide you on the wing.
00:51:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. And then they they did the same like they the 10 that came in sort the 2022 that came in um still kept they did the same thing.
00:51:48
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:51:51
Grumpy Old Prop
So it's like you guys want to teach your 10s how to catch a highball.
00:51:55
Jarrod Dyke
Nah, you just got to beat people up with your forwards. Don't you know that? Let's see if we can't.
00:51:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:52:01
Grumpy Old Prop
Knuckleheads.
00:52:01
Jarrod Dyke
Sorry, i Ben and I were talking about it on Saturday.
00:52:03
Jarrod Dyke
I'm not a huge fan of their coach. He's kind of...
00:52:07
Grumpy Old Prop
No, and as we mentioned, he's the guy who got in a fight with the S&C coach for for new New York.
00:52:13
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:14
Grumpy Old Prop
Was that back when New York existed?
00:52:15
Jarrod Dyke
The artist formerly known as Rooney.
00:52:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:20
Jarrod Dyke
Pass. Anywho.
00:52:21
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:23
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, and sadly, Banshees fell too, so they're probably going to come in second, maybe third in the league this week, this year. Woof. Because that...
00:52:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Which is understandable. This is the first year and Onix are extremely good, even without their top line players.
00:52:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:52:39
Jarrod Dyke
All their Eagle talent. Yeah. It's pretty ridiculous.
00:52:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Because again, Banshees are without their Eagle talent. So there you go.
00:52:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I you speaks i think it speaks to... You know, the quality of backups that they have and also... What happened with...
00:52:56
Jarrod Dyke
With their coaching. So...
00:52:57
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:52:59
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Um...
00:53:04
Jarrod Dyke
Superlatives. Anybody that has do themselves?
00:53:08
Grumpy Old Prop
A couple guys from the Saints, I'd say. um Yeah, I would say that.
00:53:17
Grumpy Old Prop
um They said Pollock and Freeman and Finn.
00:53:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:53:21
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:53:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Vanderfleer, I thought, was was immense in the loss um in ways that we just haven't seen in a bit.
00:53:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. I think that's an accurate statement.
00:53:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. um Yeah. Like you said there. Yeah. yeah We talked about, um we've talked about Miracle a couple of times already. That was, he was, he's quite good.
00:53:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:46
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. yeah And Ruben Love, got to give him another shout out, like really step forward for the hurricanes and and did well. I think he missed one kick on, on, on the weekend. So yeah, way,
00:54:03
Jarrod Dyke
Way better than what we, like, that's exactly what we need. i don't know if he's going to be able to do that every week. If he can, then I believe in the ability of what this team can do. um he can't, then, know, what we do will be limited.
00:54:15
Jarrod Dyke
But I'm still along for the ride. How about those that spit it a little bit?
00:54:28
Grumpy Old Prop
I mean, Pendergast.
00:54:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Duh.
00:54:31
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:54:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yep, as we saw.
00:54:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Spit it a little bit. um
00:54:36
Grumpy Old Prop
and Shit, who was it? Creighton from Taz.
00:54:40
Jarrod Dyke
Taz. Yep.
00:54:44
Grumpy Old Prop
Clearly not up to snuff.
00:54:44
Jarrod Dyke
Yep.
00:54:46
Jarrod Dyke
Right. I wasn't overly overly impressed. Or I should say, I wasn't as impressed as I usually am with Roman and Tabak. So, sadly, sadly, said he was on my list.
00:54:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair. Yeah.
00:54:56
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah ah
00:55:00
Grumpy Old Prop
oh Oh, fuck. Who was it for the Eagles? um The 10.
00:55:06
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, um Hawkins. Hawkins.
00:55:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Oh, she was so bad.
00:55:10
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:55:10
Grumpy Old Prop
It didn't help that the nines were were useless, but um
00:55:14
Jarrod Dyke
No, it doesn't help that. And Canada's really good.
00:55:16
Grumpy Old Prop
she just kept... yeah can and That's the other thing, is that you're playing a top tier team, but that also means that if you're not up to up up to that quality, you're going to get exposed and
00:55:28
Jarrod Dyke
You're going to get found out very fast.
00:55:29
Grumpy Old Prop
Just kidding getting charged down every you know every time you kick the ball because you take too long. You take three steps instead of one.
00:55:38
Grumpy Old Prop
um like
00:55:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:55:39
Jarrod Dyke
Get it. Get rid of it.
00:55:40
Grumpy Old Prop
Get rid of it. If the ball gets to you, one step, kick it.
00:55:44
Jarrod Dyke
It's got to be gone, man.
00:55:44
Grumpy Old Prop
There's no, right, I'm going to take three steps back you know out towards the player who's charging me. No.
00:55:50
Jarrod Dyke
Well, as as I tell some of my nines, like tell your nine where you want to be led and then that can be part of your steps.
00:55:51
Grumpy Old Prop
One step away from them.
00:55:56
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:55:57
Jarrod Dyke
That's fine. You know, that can be certainly be okay.
00:55:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I mean, it's no, it seemed like she got the ball right on her. And then i felt like to me, she stepped toward like just the wrong way.
00:56:08
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:56:08
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's like, it doesn't matter. Just step the other like, you you you know, i don't think the past led her either way. think it was she just she's used to having time that she didn't have at this level.
00:56:16
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:56:19
Jarrod Dyke
Probably true. Yep. and Any ref coach, young players you want to point out?
00:56:29
Grumpy Old Prop
um the um well this the saints coaching staff certainly ah that takes a lot to win that game um the canes coaching staff
00:56:36
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, Dawson. Yep.
00:56:43
Jarrod Dyke
Good old Scotsman Clark lead law.
00:56:46
Grumpy Old Prop
what the fuck um
00:56:49
Jarrod Dyke
I paused it one. I let the play go through on on the replay one day and Catherine and my mom both looked at me like, I thought they were New Zealand. This guy sounds Scottish. shows was like, yes.
00:56:59
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah
00:56:59
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:57:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:03
Jarrod Dyke
the Yes. ah Yeah, Phil Dowson, big time.
00:57:06
Grumpy Old Prop
That is correct.
00:57:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
00:57:08
Jarrod Dyke
Big time for him.
00:57:10
Jarrod Dyke
great for him Great for him and his coaching staff and giving themselves something to play for at the end of the year. um Yeah, like young player, is it another choice besides Henry Pollock?
00:57:22
Grumpy Old Prop
No.
00:57:23
Jarrod Dyke
Okay. Glad we got that cleared. Glad we got that cleared up. Okay.
00:57:30
Grumpy Old Prop
mean, there weren't many other options, so no.
00:57:32
Jarrod Dyke
No, but still, we i'm sure we could go to I'm sure if we did our homework, we could go find one.
00:57:33
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. I mean, okay, put it this way. Right. There are no other real realistic options. And because, I mean, yeah, the short amount of game time this week.
00:57:46
Grumpy Old Prop
So not many put their hand up. But like, even if there were a lot, it would take a lot to unseat him.
00:57:51
Jarrod Dyke
it Probably still would be Henry Pollack.
00:57:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:57:54
Jarrod Dyke
that's That's fair to say. um Try the week.
00:58:00
Grumpy Old Prop
but There's the Pollock try where he like, who does that from, from, from flanker.
00:58:05
Jarrod Dyke
who
00:58:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Like that's
00:58:07
Jarrod Dyke
Absurd. hoable mention Honorable mention to your guy, though.
00:58:08
Grumpy Old Prop
right to have the, yeah.
00:58:12
Jarrod Dyke
Cam Nordley Calametti for the Free Jacks. the The delicious pass that Jack Rees put in to keep that thing alive.
00:58:15
Grumpy Old Prop
That was a sweet fucking true.
00:58:21
Jarrod Dyke
And we were all like, there this going to come back?
00:58:22
Grumpy Old Prop
he
00:58:23
Jarrod Dyke
And it didn't. were like, yes, this is amazing.
00:58:25
Grumpy Old Prop
No, it didn't. Yeah.
00:58:27
Jarrod Dyke
Allow it on the on the basis of coolness. Allow it.
00:58:30
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. Because it was... Was it Reeves who who put his hand backwards to catch it? Like...
00:58:38
Grumpy Old Prop
making it look, if it was forward, he sold it.
00:58:38
Jarrod Dyke
Yes.
00:58:41
Jarrod Dyke
the paint The picture painted was good, so it's it's okay.
00:58:43
Grumpy Old Prop
Right. It's like in baseball when you have a catcher who frames a pitch where it's like, you know, it may be just outside, but he pulls it back in.
00:58:48
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly. Exactly.
00:58:50
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, that's exactly what what Reeves did.
00:58:52
Grumpy Old Prop
It's like, I'm going to make this, it's like a or you know but better example for for rugby is more of like a line out where it's like, oh, I'm going to reach over with my right hand, even, or, you know, my outside hand, even though, yeah, even though I don't have to.
00:58:53
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:59:01
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, i I've taught my boys that. I've taught my boys that. if it feels like If it feels like it might be a little bit borderline, not straight, as you catch it, put it on your inside shoulder just a little bit and then bring it down and but and give it to us.
00:59:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
00:59:14
Jarrod Dyke
ah Just a little bit. Although, less problematic now they put that new line, which I'm okay with. ah Player of the week.
00:59:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Ah, Freeman.
00:59:25
Jarrod Dyke
Mm-hmm.
00:59:28
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
00:59:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm going to give it to Bale and Sullivan because the Hurricanes needed that win in so many ways.
00:59:34
Grumpy Old Prop
Mm-hmm.
00:59:35
Jarrod Dyke
And to get four grand, a couple of them were just right place, right time. But you do the work to get in the right place at the right time.
00:59:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Hey, that's, yeah, 90% of the job is being there.
00:59:42
Jarrod Dyke
So,
00:59:45
Jarrod Dyke
yep. So, take it. um Dick of the Week.
00:59:51
Grumpy Old Prop
Bale and Sullivan.
00:59:55
Jarrod Dyke
ah yeah um I'm giving it to McKell.
00:59:57
Grumpy Old Prop
with an with an honorable with it With an honorable mention to Daffy Jenkins from last week, he was that much of a dick that it carried over to this week.
01:00:02
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, I know, right. Yeah, I'm giving it to Dan McKellar. I think he's really put his team in the wrong spot with – I can appreciate trying to give a young guy time, but there has to come a point where you pull the plug and say, all right, listen, I need you to come back and do these things to improve, and then we'll consider putting you back into that 10 shirt.
01:00:06
Grumpy Old Prop
Fair enough.
01:00:20
Jarrod Dyke
And i think he took too long. So now the Taz are up against it.
01:00:24
Grumpy Old Prop
Well, I mean, again, we we know where he's been. We've seen see what happens when he leaves and you know real coaching comes in.
01:00:29
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:31
Grumpy Old Prop
So...
01:00:32
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, maybe maybe that'll happen this year too.
01:00:37
Grumpy Old Prop
i feel like the what what has happened at Leicester and Warataz completely, 100% justifies...
01:00:48
Grumpy Old Prop
Lester's decision when and especially the when when people came out of that, uh, the, you know, futures meeting, whatever, whatever they call it, like shocked and like.
01:00:54
Jarrod Dyke
The meeting or whatever it was. Yep. The planning meeting, I think is what they call it, but yeah.
01:00:59
Grumpy Old Prop
Aghast. Yeah.
Upcoming Matches and Predictions
01:01:01
Grumpy Old Prop
They're like, OK, that a lot of this is, is you know the reports are adding up.
01:01:06
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no kidding. All right, um we are into the pick of them.
01:01:13
Grumpy Old Prop
Pick them. Fuck.
01:01:15
Jarrod Dyke
So we start with, sorry, lost my place. God damn it. Get back here.
01:01:21
Grumpy Old Prop
We're going to right where we were just talking about.
01:01:24
Jarrod Dyke
Oh, Lester, would you look at that? Hi, would you look at that? um Yeah, Lester and Sale.
01:01:30
Grumpy Old Prop
i can go with the hosts.
01:01:32
Jarrod Dyke
I am too. I am too.
01:01:34
Grumpy Old Prop
And it's just because i think it's just because they're at home. If it was at sale, I'd probably go with them.
01:01:39
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, i'd say we I'd say we're looking at that too. Ceres Newcastle.
01:01:44
Grumpy Old Prop
ah Same thing for the same reason.
01:01:47
Jarrod Dyke
God, I hope so. bri
01:01:48
Grumpy Old Prop
And I say that because we saw what happened when Saracens went to Nuka.
01:01:52
Jarrod Dyke
I know. Jesus.
01:01:53
Grumpy Old Prop
Let's not talk about that again.
01:01:53
Jarrod Dyke
Please don't please not don't let them do a double on us. We'll be screwed. um Bristol and Bath at the Principality. This will be fun. Let's
01:02:02
Grumpy Old Prop
umm I'm going with Bath.
01:02:04
Jarrod Dyke
see. Same. I think Bristle will be up for it, but I think Bath just will still have too much.
01:02:10
Grumpy Old Prop
Too much class. Gloucester.
01:02:12
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Quinns and Gloucester.
01:02:16
Grumpy Old Prop
Gloucester.
01:02:16
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Same. I'm um um i extremely impressed with the way they've started to just turn it around and turn it on.
01:02:22
Grumpy Old Prop
Right, and I'm unimpressed with Quinns at the moment.
01:02:26
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Agreed.
01:02:26
Grumpy Old Prop
ah There's something... It's just not... It's not clicking for them, and everybody has a shit year. It's like... To me, it's like... When you have... First off, Danny Kerr... Then you no longer have Danny Kerr.
01:02:41
Grumpy Old Prop
Even when you have him, you no longer have him. um Porter is better than him, but he's not what Kerr used to be. um Smith, Don Brandt, Kenningham...
01:02:53
Grumpy Old Prop
and to lesser extent, Will Evans, all having poop years um along with just the injuries that they've had. is not it's It's just when when so many of you guys just poop it, it's...
01:03:00
Jarrod Dyke
yep yeah I think one I think
01:03:05
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah.
01:03:06
Jarrod Dyke
one foot's on the beach for them already yep um
01:03:08
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I think it has been for a bit.
01:03:12
Jarrod Dyke
Exeter and Saints.
01:03:15
Grumpy Old Prop
Saints. I know there won't be the full noise... um but i don't think I don't think they need to be full noise. it's it doesn't It's not the players that are going to determine this. It's the style of play, and if Saints go and just say, look, young guys or other guys, just do your thing, I think that will be enough to beat Exeter.
01:03:34
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:03:37
Grumpy Old Prop
Don't let Daffa Jenkins bait you into punching him, or you know what?
01:03:40
Jarrod Dyke
Hang around.
01:03:42
Grumpy Old Prop
Even if you do, he they're not going to penalize you for it because he's the one who's starting it.
01:03:49
Jarrod Dyke
Exactly.
01:03:49
Grumpy Old Prop
if I swear, if he there's no way there's no way he's on that that team.
01:03:53
Grumpy Old Prop
i don't know why people what people are I don't even know why he's on... wi who It's just... Are you that dire straits?
01:03:53
Jarrod Dyke
Please, no.
01:03:58
Jarrod Dyke
Resist the temptation, Andy. Pick from Ireland, pick from England, maybe from Scotland.
01:04:00
Grumpy Old Prop
Right.
01:04:04
Jarrod Dyke
I'd rather have Gilchrist over Jenkins. That says a lot.
01:04:07
Grumpy Old Prop
Fuck, pick Sam Skinner. I don't care if he's retired. Functionally or whatever.
01:04:12
Jarrod Dyke
Whatever. um Super. if you Only four matches. Druah Blues.
01:04:17
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah. Drew, uh...
01:04:19
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. At home.
01:04:20
Grumpy Old Prop
They're at home. Blues, i'm I'm not convinced by.
01:04:23
Jarrod Dyke
Nope. Taz Reds.
01:04:24
Grumpy Old Prop
And that I don't really like that Blues lineup. Your two best players aren't playing, so.
01:04:30
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah. Taz Reds.
01:04:32
Grumpy Old Prop
Reds.
01:04:33
Jarrod Dyke
Yep. Yep. Despite the loss last week, they're still playing better. Crusaders and Chiefs.
01:04:42
Grumpy Old Prop
um The team that Damien McKenzie is playing for.
01:04:45
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah, I'm going to say that as well. I feel like this is, they brought him back into this game for this reason.
01:04:50
Grumpy Old Prop
Yeah, I think there was a little bit of a, we can lose that match. This is the one they have circled on their count, which is crazy. Like, crazy to think of what happened with Crusaders last year. And now they're tied for top of the table.
01:04:59
Jarrod Dyke
I know, i know.
01:05:02
Grumpy Old Prop
What the fuck? i think I think the Chiefs are like, no, fuck that shit. we'rere
01:05:06
Jarrod Dyke
You will not be after this weekend.
01:05:07
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah No, not on our watch.
01:05:10
Jarrod Dyke
No. Force and Brumby's.
01:05:14
Grumpy Old Prop
It's at the force.
01:05:15
Jarrod Dyke
It's in Perth.
Brumbies' Performance and Podcast Farewell
01:05:17
Grumpy Old Prop
What's that? Yeah, I'm still going with the Brumbies.
01:05:17
Jarrod Dyke
Yeah.
01:05:19
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Same. I think the Brumbies i figure have gotten over there their mid mid-year hump and are good to go. i like And I like Stephen Lachlan a lot.
01:05:30
Grumpy Old Prop
yeah Tiz scores but Brumby's win
01:05:32
Jarrod Dyke
So...
01:05:35
Jarrod Dyke
Same. Agreed. All right. That's that. I'm going to pop over fancy stuff and do some fancy things and all that good stuff. But
01:05:44
Grumpy Old Prop
i
01:05:44
Jarrod Dyke
um yeah um we do appreciate you guys listening to us and enjoy yourselves with rugby and we'll we catch you guys next week. Have a good one, everyone.
01:05:53
Grumpy Old Prop
later
01:05:54
Jarrod Dyke
Cheers.