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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fantasy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glazer.
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Grumpy Old Prop: I got feedback and it's midweek games suck in professional rugby.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: But the MLR does not welcome feedback.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's But that's not even really feedback because we've been saying it all along.
Jarrod Dyke: we've always it's always it's like a known fact it's like midweek rugby really sucks on four four days rest yeah i mean let's see we played friday so saturday sunday monday i mean yeah i guess you could call four i don't really like i wouldn't even really call it four
Grumpy Old Prop: It's pretty much been there. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. Let's get three days of rest.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah yeah bullshit i call bull to the shit
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, make sure that you buy our good friend George the Fancy Rugby Geeky Coffee or Beer. He's, as we are, very busy at this time of year, especially with the last weekend of Six Nations coming up here.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: So do that man a favor and show him some love and buy that man a coffee.
Grumpy Old Prop: yes
Jarrod Dyke: There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. um Ben was almost... almost I think he was like psychotically laughing at this when he was just when we just talked about it.
Jarrod Dyke: So um go ahead.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah, because this time, so yeah obviously a lot of these come from within the U.S. This time we're going to go outside the U.S. and we're we're actually going to England to 10 Downing Street where
Jarrod Dyke: Here's a first.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um the Keir Starmer is saying, I no longer believe that a trans woman is um is a woman. And and you're like, what what the fuck is this? What... what what is that?
Grumpy Old Prop: What is that even like, what?
Grumpy Old Prop: I no longer believe like that. First off, what the fuck? That's a weird thing to say. um mostly about anything, but like, uh, basically, ah yeah, I'm just going to go with, and this is, it's this shit.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I don't understand why the Not as far right wing parties in our respective countries can't get their heads out of their asses um and just be like, no, it's like stand up for people. What the fuck?
Grumpy Old Prop: What the fuck? That's your job. And like you. you've So in other words, you've basically defrauded all you know all of your party's voters and. The other thing is, you know, I'm not saying the the way we choose a president here makes much sense because it doesn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: But I got to say, it makes a whole lot more sense than this. what However, this prime minister system works. I don't even quite get how that's done and and why the fuck is this guy? You're like the what the fuck?
Grumpy Old Prop: um I don't see how something like that could happen. It's like, you But at the same time, you know, look how we do with Democrats. It works the same way. So either way, um Britain, this time we get to wag a finger at you for being like us.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Stop being like us.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's that's not a compliment, by the way.
Grumpy Old Prop: to Yeah, like, what the fuck? Get your shit together. And then I'm done.
Jarrod Dyke: If you're keeping score at home, that's not a good thing.
Jarrod Dyke: just Just saying.
Grumpy Old Prop: it Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, man. Yeah, pretty bad. Just ridiculous shit. All right. ah Don't forget the to grab our Patreon. There will be updates coming out this week. I promise i they're all but buttoned up.
Jarrod Dyke: So there there'll be Prem um points again to coming out, and then the Super Ropey sheet will also be coming out. Probably by the time you listen to this, honestly. So be be be if you haven't checked yet, go look right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm listening to this now and it's not out yet. Oh, okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, besides you, you don't you don't count.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair enough. Oh, well, you were talking to me. You were. Oh, gotcha.
Jarrod Dyke: You do not count, sir.
Grumpy Old Prop: I see what's happening now.
Jarrod Dyke: You do not count. No, no, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fine.
Jarrod Dyke: No, All right, um let's go. let's do a quick Six Nations roundup here.
Jarrod Dyke: Italy, France, like, the scoreline flatters France, I think that's fair to say. Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I mean, there was a there was a questionable try late that led to another like easy try late because backs were broken. um
Jarrod Dyke: yeah and they yeah and they were and Italy were chasing the game and they gave one away. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, like that that shit like that happens. um Italy gave them a game, though.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Quite a game really pushed, like really pushed.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean, you even look at the, um, yeah, the points flow. Like it was, it was a game up until like five minutes to go. Almost. It was, um, it was so close.
Jarrod Dyke: yep Yeah, the, yeah, the menagerie. Try menage a try was the was kind of the killer.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I think there there were there were something in that, too.
Jarrod Dyke: And then they got one at the end to just make it look better.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it was so was something I remember not liking it, like not the try itself, obviously.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think there was like a high tackle or something like that, that that helped create a turnover.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And that's how it ended. And then it ended with a try. And it was like, you're going to go back and look at that high tackle. Right. Like or some I wish I could remember.
Jarrod Dyke: Like that meme. Right?
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah You can go look is right.
Jarrod Dyke: Right? Yeah, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah no
Grumpy Old Prop: No. um But yeah, what I really loved about this was how Medusa Fall goes out or gets the yellow.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And they like Italy's like, you know what? We're going to maul on you now. And they did very successfully.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, smartest idea you could have, you know?
Grumpy Old Prop: but But here to me was the coolest part.
Jarrod Dyke: Really was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fall comes back in the game and Italy is like, you know what? We're still going to maul you. And they did. and it worked.
Jarrod Dyke: We feel so good about it that we're going to do it again anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: But that's that that's the that's the the fun part of rugby is when you know you you yes you do something and it you get in an easy way, right? Because they're they're down a player and a massive part of of stopping them all um and youre in in the locks.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And um so they're like, okay, we and they got something right within themselves. And if look, if you're mauling, if you have it right, nobody can stop you.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's one of those things where it like you can you figure out how do you get the leverage. You work with each other. like All all you know six or seven people in there kind of get it. You're on the exact same page. um and you you know You figure out how to find the path of least resistance.
Grumpy Old Prop: And you work with each other to do it. And nobody can stop you. Because
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Usually works out.
Grumpy Old Prop: what people don't understand about the mall is that it's not it's not physical. There's physicality involved. But it really is finding that path of least resistance and it changes mall to mall. There's always there's always a weak spot somewhere.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's just about it's more about finding it, communicating it, and attacking it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And if you get everybody pushing in that on that weak spot, um you'll do well. And they Italy got that. they're like, oh, okay, we had that. They got that that out of their system or into their system and then crushed it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Really almost took France out. I mean, what ah what a hell of a performance.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, lots lots to be happy with for your elite. And again, they're they're also not a team that, like Ireland, when they when they ran France close, they weren't satisfied with just that.
Jarrod Dyke: They won't they were they were they wanted more, so I can appreciate that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. They did. And they they honestly deserved more. they That was a um ah hell of an effort. And it kind of sucks that it didn't work out for them.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, agreed. Let's go up to, go Welford Road. Real quick, we don't need to cover this too long.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm. I don't think I i't didn't watch the second half.
Jarrod Dyke: mean,
Grumpy Old Prop: I was like, I know where this is going.
Jarrod Dyke: i you didn't need to.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm good.
Jarrod Dyke: I had that on in the background when was doing other things.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm like, yeah, it's like I barely made attention, but I can tell you what's happened.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: can tell you exactly what's happened.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Looks like Abby Dow happened. That's about it. You know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, that happened.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: That did happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, she and she um she should have assisted on a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Couple times.
Jarrod Dyke: She didn't give it early enough to kill Dunn. I mean, you get let's be honest. You can never give the ball too early to Ellie kill Dunn.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I like the way you phrase that. Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Never. Like, okay, yes, the defender might not be quite as committed as you want it to be, but like, they're sat there they're sat down enough.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just get the ball.
Jarrod Dyke: Just give.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: give do it and and be done with it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Wasn't hard. um Apparently England lost their first line out in a long time in the Six Nations in this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it was an overthrow that Lana Skelton gobbled up and that was about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Unbelievable. Horrible.
Jarrod Dyke: Clearly, clearly standards are dropping.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just like unacceptable. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, yeah, they're just I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: We call this a team.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know who stops them this fall, honestly.
Jarrod Dyke: I really don't. And that's, that's pressure on them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, i mean, we know Portia Woodman Woodcliffe is is coming out of it.
Jarrod Dyke: But like, seriously,
Grumpy Old Prop: She she wants in.
Jarrod Dyke: she, I did see that. here
Grumpy Old Prop: She wants in. And apparently there's this like 18 year old phenom.
Jarrod Dyke: I did see that.
Grumpy Old Prop: On the blues. At fullback. um So it's possible that. ah now The Ferns may have. Found yet another back three player.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because they you know.
Jarrod Dyke: Tim.
Grumpy Old Prop: They always are running short of them.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, just stick in the centers.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Fuck. Anywho.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's terrifying.
Grumpy Old Prop: that's that's That's it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think it's those two.
Jarrod Dyke: fine
Grumpy Old Prop: because
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Yeah, I don't know who else who else really challenges them unless they...
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, the US could.
Jarrod Dyke: We could if we had our head out our ass, but that's different story for a different day.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's possible.
Jarrod Dyke: wait We'll get there later.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to Rodney Parade. And this, yeah, I mean, it it wasn't it's not as bad as it looks.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was a parade, all right.
Jarrod Dyke: Again, it's another match that's not as bad looks. Sean Lin is, while I won't say he he regrets taking this job, because why would you? He also is just like, oh man, what did I just bite off at the same time?
Jarrod Dyke: Because this is...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's a lot. There's a lot to it.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a project. It's a project.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, it is.
Jarrod Dyke: There's no question about it. And that's not a that's not disrespect to any of the players that are currently in this. there There's lots to learn, some of which is to play with each other, some ofvi some of which is to figure out whether or not you know players are out actually worth the yeah know their weight and whether or not you need to be giving them more caps or should maybe consider cutting ties with some of them.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and An island are clearly on the F like there's no question about it like if last fall wasn't the obvious part this clearly is
Grumpy Old Prop: And.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. um And I saw it like some I think it was a squid said something about how it wasn't that long ago that whales were like two years ahead of Ireland women. and what the hell has happened since then?
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: I mean WRU has done done dirty honestly if we're we're gonna call spade spade
Grumpy Old Prop: which I think is true, because like,
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And to me, I think it was um when I realized the the way this game was going, and I didn't want it to be that way. And, you you know, we we we we kind of We texted about it at the time, but not within this context.
Grumpy Old Prop: But this was right around the time when I was like, oh, this game is just not going to go Wales' way. And that was when Lakey George just um botched that highball and put ah Jazzy Joyce on ah on on like under real pressure as far as she had to go and clean it up.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then um she ran straight into Linda Jugung.
Jarrod Dyke: She ran into the wrong alley.
Grumpy Old Prop: And
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's the wrong one to run into.
Grumpy Old Prop: um yeah, no, don't do that. Run around her, as you said. um But it's like, you know, as but then also, as you said, like George put her in a really bad spot.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, yeah, but it's like two, those were two.
Jarrod Dyke: h
Grumpy Old Prop: It was like, um what was it? I think you you told your player, like if he fucks up, do just what the next thing, chance you get a chance or next thing you get a chance to do, do the right thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like you had two players there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. i Don't back up an error with an error.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And that's what happened there.
Jarrod Dyke: That's how you can play rug play good rugby. is like all right you're always going There's always going to be mistakes, but if you compile them on top of each other, then you're just going to make life way harder than it needs to be.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: And, you know, on the other side of it, if you can just bounce back from an error, then mentally that's great. And obviously for the game, that's great too. So there's a lot, there's lot to do about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And so that right there with, you know George making the error, then jazz making the error. It's like, okay, this is, um, they better like they, they had like, you have about five minutes to turn this around before that becomes not just a thing that happened, but the way, just the way you're playing.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it kind of just was the way they were playing after that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, head and shoulders above this whole thing is Aofi Wafer, like...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Jeezum.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, that's the other thing, like because you look on both sides have players, but if Ireland are playing well together and they they really were the whole way through, not not so much you can do about it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: And the upside for Ireland, and this is what they need to happen more often than not, is... People were getting themselves in better positions, like Jugang, like we talked about before.
Jarrod Dyke: you you she She had two, one of which was a C.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: if if it was I think it was from McCabe off the office off the rock. i was like, ah ah ah I wish I could throw that. I can't throw that shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But in any case, yeah, um Dorothy Wall had a good game. ah Hogan was having a good game. like yeah Brian probably should have stayed of the... They've been a little longer.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that should have been a red. Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I thought so, too. I was so shocked. I wasn't a red. I was like, okay, this is what we're going to go with. All right. um And Yabreen, I thought, had a really good game as well. So, like, yeah, it's but tough. And ah you I look at the team that but certainly the first 15 that Wales have named. it's you If you're Sean Lennon, you've to be really disappointed with the outcome of this game.
Jarrod Dyke: because there's not a bad player. There's actually some really good players that should be putting their hand up and make and taking control of this game. Kira Bevan being one. I think Kira Bevan played badly, but I feel like she she has another level that she can go to and drag the rest of the team with her, and maybe this game becomes competitive if she can.
Jarrod Dyke: you know
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. She usually finds a way to put her stamp on it and and I didn't really see it.
Jarrod Dyke: If you can't get Jazz... Go ahead. Yeah, no, I agree. That's that's where kind of where i was going.
Grumpy Old Prop: like That's the thing. like you know like i I was like, oh yeah, that's right. She was playing nine that game. And it's like it totally you know she and she's at that level where it should be like, ah but like oh yeah, Kiriphaven played that game. like She crushed it and and in a losing effort.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And yeah, she kind of just blended in, which is unfortunate. It happens.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. No, she's better. She is better than that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's not a kind of criticism because that was a well-played game of rugby. um you know, blending in is is good. It's that when you stand out the other way, that's bad. um And she didn't either.
Grumpy Old Prop: didn't do that either. um Yeah, it seems so... It is stacked, though.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: They need to be performing like...
Grumpy Old Prop: You know, competitive and yet yeah, it was a little bit of... It was almost death by a thousand cuts. I think as ah but you were saying, like, it just, okay, there're they're not out of it.
Jarrod Dyke: A little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're not out of it. Like, they're they're playing just into the game, but not enough to... to gain control of it or, and then in the end it was not even enough to stay in it, which kind of, so it's one of those, wow, we like, we just felt like we bled out.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like there was no, we're out of it. We're, we're out of touch from Ireland women.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like the scoreline doesn't really, teams are closer in, talent and ability and the way they played than the scoreline.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, totally.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like Wales just never really, got a grip like good you get the opportunity enough we'll score
Jarrod Dyke: Bothered.
Jarrod Dyke: I guess I'll do it later. Type of stuff.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. All right. ah Let's jump over to the Prem. um Surprise squeaky bum time up at Kingston Park.
Grumpy Old Prop: i no yeah because you look at the teams
Jarrod Dyke: Didn't have it on my bingo board, but really I should should have at the same time because they've been playing so well at home.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they're playing really well at home. um You know, all the cool teams and then Exeter lose to to Newcastle up there. um it ha you know it's it's tough It is a tough place to play. And you look at the team Northampton brought.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not exactly their, you know, their A team.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no.
Jarrod Dyke: No, coming off of their Champions Cup, which I get it, you know, I i do.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then Pearson gets hurt. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But at the same time, like, damn. It's like, oh, boy. you So they got away with one here. And, you know, they ah got up to, I know, what the hell is this damn scoreline?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, it didn't also didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: It was, they were out pretty far. And then they let Newcastle back in.
Grumpy Old Prop: but Yeah, they were.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm not mistaken.
Grumpy Old Prop: they Yes, they did.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, there we go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: That's it. Yeah, the the the James try kind of sealed it, but yeah, they got all the way to 33-15 at one point, and that was that.
Grumpy Old Prop: They were up. They were up ah like 16, 17. Yeah. 18. I bet. yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: eighteen ah been
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and then, yeah I mean, I thought, yeah, Alex Harrell had ah actually a really good game, and I'm glad to see him playing well after and getting tossed from
Grumpy Old Prop: of
Jarrod Dyke: the nether regions in Worcester and, know, Bristol's getting themselves a player with Pepper, which is great.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, because they i need more, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: I thought Blumeyer was outstanding in this game. And, know, I am a big Blumeyer fan, but, man, he is clearly the best player on this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: He will. old yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't think there's a question about that at this point.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah You know, it's not Cameron nailed.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe it says it's someone else. I don't know what we're looking at. Fuck no, it ain't.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not because yeah I was listening to Austin. um
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, fuck that guy. We're going to get to him. Trust me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just just talk all all day about how great Cameron neld was. I saw him a couple times on the first half, um most notably, really most notably. Well, there are a couple times where he did some cool shit. I will give him that.
Grumpy Old Prop: But they were like, you know, one of the most notable things was was the ref coming over and be like, he's talks to me again he's going to the bin like says a word to me again he's going to the bin like he's done i'm done with him he if he says a word i'm out or he's out um yeah but he like yeah he'll fuck off
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, there was and the listen there were some great great scores from both teams in this. Obviously, the Meyer score was wonderful. with um Was it McCallum that he hooked up with? That was awesome.
Grumpy Old Prop: yes
Jarrod Dyke: Tom James' score was a really nice piece of work from everyone, just moving the hands.
Grumpy Old Prop: whom
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and then some effort ones, like like the Pepper the pepper you know pick up and
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: uh, Glister a little bit as well. Like same ideas.
Grumpy Old Prop: even the finn smith try was pretty sweet um yeah right because he had to come in he had to come in way early too yep
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, Finn Smith. Yeah, that was pretty good. and And God, he came away fricking healthy. i was like, u Oh, Oh, go wrap him in wool. You need him in two weeks, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Uh, they may, they may name a full noise team this weekend, trying to prepare for that. Or they may be like, uh, a slightly upgraded version of this. Trying to prepare for the following weekend, going to, going to Leinster.
Jarrod Dyke: don't know if they're playing at Croke Park or if they're playing at the Avivo. It doesn't matter. It's going to be a, it's going to be an event.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, it's, it's yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So at least going fun.
Grumpy Old Prop: The crowd might be hostile.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Let's go over to, yeah, let's go over to the bum crack. That is Sandy Park. um and Another team that kind of get out in front and almost let the opposition back in just a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that was there was no need for that to be this close.
Jarrod Dyke: Almost. Almost.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I mean, here's the thing.
Jarrod Dyke: The play that Bath are doing is just wonderful, and it's what it's what's causing all the havoc all the time. Like, the Annette try, great hands down line from forwards, from forwards.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: You know, Bayless, not dissimilar. the The ball from Spencer, Tamir, just a peach.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's it's it's players everywhere, and you can the rotation that Van Graan is doing makes it very obvious that this is not just... one or two players that are making this happen for them.
Jarrod Dyke: This is a team.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, Finn Russell's on the team. He's probably the best 10 in the world. No shit. I understand that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: But still, there's there's guys around him that are that are going up to trying to go up to his level. And um it almost feels like no matter who's in there, although we'll see who they put in the midfield now, which jumo' was probably going up for a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah,
Grumpy Old Prop: he's around.
Jarrod Dyke: But it's... it's all these players, no matter who's wearing the shirt, like green, for instance, like I didn't have him on that bingo board playing so well. This, I mean, didn't play great, didn't play badly.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah I looked at him and I'm like, this guy's going to ghost. No, you had an impact.
Grumpy Old Prop: my yeah are um
Jarrod Dyke: So, you know, know, and then on the other side, I can count on one hand, the number of guys you're banking on for Exeter. And in this, gap this match, it's Bampa, Brown, Bampa and Hodge.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. And Hodge got handled.
Jarrod Dyke: don't think there's, Yeah, although we he...
Grumpy Old Prop: Hodge got bottled up.
Jarrod Dyke: got so I think he set up one of the Brown Banfield tries. Or maybe he scored.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but I mean, there were times where maybe Hodge of two years ago would have just torched and gone for a try.
Jarrod Dyke: I can't remember who.
Jarrod Dyke: That might be true.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he was getting tracked down little too much. He was getting tackled a little too much for my liking.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: for a guy like of his his qualities and speed. And um he does have some moves to him, as we've seen in the past, but they're not there right now.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there there's just there's too much reliance in Exeter's attack on one guy do you know making things happen like a Hodge or a Brown Bampo. And yeah other than that, i can't I can't tell you who's making the impacts on this team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, that's, that's that's never you know, when has that not been true? Because even before then, it was Sam Simmons. Like,
Jarrod Dyke: Right. That's how Baxter works.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: If he doesn't have one of those guys, he can't he his team won't be successful. That's just how it is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And it's like, if you have a Sam Simmons, great. That's awesome. But yeah he doesn't come along very often. I mean, and and Greg Fisilow, I, yeah, i don't I don't have any, you know, anything particularly against Greg Fisilow, but he's certainly not Sam Simmons.
Jarrod Dyke: No. You shouldn't let him walk when he does.
Grumpy Old Prop: So who else you got?
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: What else you got? Although Brown Bampo seems to be, obviously, I think you mentioned him. He's the guy, but, and he got some,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's playing brilliantly, since especially since Favo Bosa's gone on the shelf.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but well i thought I felt it was a little bit of garbage time tries on his part, like that he didn't get them when they really mattered. He got them close. I mean, OK, so put it this way. If they had scored again to win, then yes, those two tries like.
Grumpy Old Prop: Matter and like we're we're like clutch tries.
Jarrod Dyke: I'd say the first one feels more garbage time than anything. anything
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The second one less so because that put that that brought them close.
Grumpy Old Prop: It did, but at the same time, do you really think, you know, when you go to play Exeter away, like, they're not going to score more than four tries. So I'd bank, i you know, I'd be like, okay. Just because the way they play just doesn't lend to...
Jarrod Dyke: Well, they scored three here, so.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well. No, let's go to four.
Jarrod Dyke: Did they?
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, no, that was a penalty that was a a penalty kick. Sorry.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, because that did them a lot of fucking good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just three tries, so...
Jarrod Dyke: Slayton flaying his fucking ego.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and did me it it did me a ah lot of satisfaction of having the thing that you know kind of ruined the game for them, having their scrum get dismantled by the the second um front row of um ah Bath.
Grumpy Old Prop: the backups yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Granted, those are all guys that would start on most teams, but yeah, that was pretty good.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: and was like, yeah, this is supposed to be your shit, and you just got housed. This is awesome.
Grumpy Old Prop: Also, we we can't move away from this game without finding it hilarious that A, people think that Daffa Jenkins is going to be the plane to Austria. Well, he has no business being on that plane.
Jarrod Dyke: He shouldn't be.
Grumpy Old Prop: um they're They're like, take Chunza before him. um And
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'll agree on that.
Grumpy Old Prop: like, yeah also that that was a stupid fucking lazy, stupid yellow. Yeah. Right in front of the the selector. So... um
Jarrod Dyke: Well done.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, well done. Dumbass.
Jarrod Dyke: just He's just, he's super unimpressive.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Sorry. It's just facts.
Grumpy Old Prop: But he hits all these rocks. Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: don't give a shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like... Yeah, i really don't care. Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Do the work elsewhere, dude. Like, everyone can hit a fucking rock.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: That takes no talent.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And if you're talking about, well, he's got an engine, great. Most guys at that level for the Lions have an engine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: This is not a new thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: You need more than that. He doesn't have it.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like, no, he really doesn't. He can't move the ball. can't really do much with it. um
Jarrod Dyke: like you Like, I've been convinced of Curry being on the plane without a doubt. Him, forget it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: you you You won't convince me of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: and that Yeah, exactly. And we still don't think Curry can play attack at all. It's just that his defense is actually worth it.
Jarrod Dyke: Definitely not an attacking board in that man's body.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, no.
Jarrod Dyke: Definitely not. Zero attacking DNA in that guy. um Yeah, speaking of, let's go let's ah head over to the stoop.
Grumpy Old Prop: like ah yeah Speaking which, he and and this is funny because it's a match he did get over in, but then again, so he got over twice, but so did Johnny Hill.
Jarrod Dyke: It was like...
Grumpy Old Prop: So did...
Jarrod Dyke: oh yeah, I mean, i'm we're not...
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: LCD... Yeah, he got he got it over twice.
Grumpy Old Prop: Jean-Luc Dupri got over.
Jarrod Dyke: Hill got over, like, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm sorry, this game became irrelevant when that fucker went over.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. so But at the same time, like i
Grumpy Old Prop: Quinn still played a pretty open attacking game and played it pretty well. Except for the fact that they didn't. I don't know how I square that. Because I thought they were like attacking pretty well and and doing some good things.
Grumpy Old Prop: But it was just like one small fuck up here or there. And Sale took advantage every time.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm. Yes, they did.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, it's a ruthlessness to them as well in lot of ways.
Grumpy Old Prop: Really... Yeah. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Sale played some open attacking rugby, so it's like, I don't think Quinns were prepared for that. think they were like, okay, we're the ones coming in to play a little bit of rugby. And Sale were like, no, we we'll we'll try our hand at some of this. And it worked. It really worked out well for them and really not for Quinns. That was... even you know but obviously Even by half, it was like, what the fuck are you guys even doing?
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I don't... i
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was like you're trying, but like one yeah again, one little mental mistake, ruining everything. And for a team that wants to be a championship side, you can't keep making little mistakes.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: No. No, no. No, it's not going be any good. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. um Apoku Fodrar. I... i
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, we'll be talking about him later.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, the superlatives on the man really, yeah, he's he's he is the bill. He is the deal.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So good on him. yeah He's showing it. I hope he gets some more England caps because he'll be worth it. I understand Will Stewart is kind of the the guy in the driver's seat right now, but I think he i think you see i think you need to see this guy a lot more.
Grumpy Old Prop: Was.
Jarrod Dyke: he He obviously won't be on the on the plane to Australia, but he's certainly going to get a shot at Argentina.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. He'll be on the plane to Argentina.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, without doubt.
Grumpy Old Prop: he'll be hell He'll be...
Jarrod Dyke: And think good things will happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: He might be like... Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: think good things will happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, that's a... we' We've seen a lot of props like that. But the thing is, when we see a prop who can move in space, it's rare that they can also scrum.
Jarrod Dyke: Which he can.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which he very much can. And there's a reason that you see a lot of the the players like that at that number one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not so much number three. um But no, he's a he's a proper tight head who has some fucking wiggle to him.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Jarrod Dyke: yep
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep, just a wee bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, all right. ah To the Stone X. Wow. um A little bit dodgy to start the game, but man, they figured it out.
Grumpy Old Prop: They settled in.
Jarrod Dyke: And they did. yeah You know, really, if you look at it, The only thing that was truly created was the Harris try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So that's a lot. That's a lot credit to, know, they're talking about it and and I'm not totally convinced it's happening, but there's a lot of talk about, you know the old Wolfpack coming back and,
Jarrod Dyke: If that's back and Fergus Burke is starting to feel way more comfortable in that 10 shirt by the minute. And if that the wheels start to turn over and click and, know, there's still a lot of good things going on with this team.
Jarrod Dyke: you know, the forward pack is looking pretty good, I have to say.
Grumpy Old Prop: who
Jarrod Dyke: Minus the fact that we might have to start out Clary soon, which I'm not really thrilled about. Hopefully Balmain's healthy. um
Grumpy Old Prop: they said no They said he's out for the season.
Jarrod Dyke: Balmain's healthy. Fuck for sake, didn't know that.
Grumpy Old Prop: but They said it's looking like he's out for the season. At least that that's what they said on the broadcast. Yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: I didn't hear that part, damn it. Probably had a kid in my ear.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah it was when Richie was down um one of the times.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, fuck a duck.
Grumpy Old Prop: As I said, I'm kind of disappointed Richie is...
Jarrod Dyke: That's not good.
Jarrod Dyke: As fragile as he is
Grumpy Old Prop: He's fragile. must be Italian. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah that's That's a Christmas story reference. It has nothing to do with the Italians. It's a joke about the... Anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: if you yeah say If you haven't seen a Christmas story, you're good.
Grumpy Old Prop: um its it's Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't care what time it is. Go watch. You're welcome.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah, you'll be right. um But yeah, he's he's very fragile and that's got a... The most important ability is availability. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: We've talked about that least a few times. So yes, but for minus that, hopefully we can get some guys that can hold the scrum.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Cause that's, that can be a problem sometimes. Um, Yeah, I really i like a lot of the way things are going. You know there's, you know, good to see Roddy back and Tobias Elliott's, you know, still been solid like 90 percent of the year.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i think there's a lot of good things going on. um This is this is the way the Saracens need to play. They need to get Fergus Burke into space and let him just make life hard on teams.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm
Jarrod Dyke: And you could see it happen and ah really don't. And the only foot wrong that Tomo put in the last couple of weeks was that intercept try.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm. Yeah, the past.
Jarrod Dyke: Because everything else he's to actually... that That looks almost like the old Nick Tompkins. I think with a little confidence, Tompkins can either just eat that and maybe get an awful little way behind the line or just yeah find a way to chip it over or whatever.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But honestly... this is ah much improved version of Nick Tompkins that we haven't seen for a little while. So I'm happy to see that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, he's clearly stepped up because he knows laws isn't coming back for ah at least a while, if not the season.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm really hoping. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, so yeah, I can appreciate the, the Nick Tompkins that we've seen lately.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. let's let's I would love to see this for the rest of the season. I think to believe it might last beyond this is is probably a little foolhardy. um But either way, he's captured a little bit of magic. Let's hope he he keeps that up.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, the one thing that I so i think I said but right before the match when they were going through the lineups is i mean the Sarri's bench versus... the the Gloucester bench.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was like, it's...
Jarrod Dyke: Glosser's banged up clearly. There's no question about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And, you know, Onyama, Christie, and Gonzo, and Goud, and even Tiz, like, like the the players that they get, and Jinks, obviously, and Carey, who's become not a slouch at all.
Jarrod Dyke: Race. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, this is a...
Jarrod Dyke: Prejects.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's a deep team, and I think that really...
Jarrod Dyke: Yay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep, I saw that. Little Maltry. Sweet.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um this like You can see it as this you know the score really built up second half, especially once the the bench started becoming a factor. It would really was a differentiator, and that's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Hell yeah. ah Deep teams win championships.
Jarrod Dyke: no I'm not overly convinced that Gonzo released on his try, but it's one of those things where it's a judgment call. And because he did it so fast and Leo, Leo sucks, by the way, um because Leo didn't get there fast enough.
Jarrod Dyke: He couldn't make the judgment whether or not he released or not. So he made it happen fast enough that it became irrelevant.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: He's like, yeah, you didn't see it happen. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: hey I, you know, I'm just going to trust his judgment on this one.
Jarrod Dyke: God, that's someone's judgment. He's right there on my shit list of referees for all for that are giving way too much shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep. Hey, but it doesn't, does not mean he was wrong in this instance. I'm just going to, just going to put that out there. because his track record of being very consistently wrong and that was a very dodgy play doesn't mean he was wrong just put in putting that out there
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, he was pretty crap most of the day.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, listen, if he's going to wrong, at least we took advantage of him being wrong.
Grumpy Old Prop: yep he shows the right way for
Jarrod Dyke: um let's go to the gate let's go to the gate um you know bristol are gonna have to figure out and they live by the sword they die by the sword which is what we love about them but at the same time they gonna have to figure out some sort of pragmatism to a point because Ibotoya made a total knucklehead move with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: was like, no, no, no. you dumbass. I watched him do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm like, that's too easy for a read, dude. And as soon as he let it go, i was like, there's guys, you know, Lester is not a super attacking team, but they have the weapons at the same time.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: we have You have to understand that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: like they They're not lacking in their back line from Hassel Collins out to Freddie and even you know a little bit with maybe less less of Dan Kelly, but sometimes when Brownie cast ah has to play out there as well, like, yeah, there's, there's guys that can do bad things out there.
Jarrod Dyke: So don't go just chucking that thing around.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And.
Jarrod Dyke: And he did.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that was the problem. He was like, he was going for a highlight rather than just doing the right thing, because like Hussle Collins played it brilliantly in that, like, he's like, we're if if he gets this pass away, we're fucked anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like if if this pass gets wider than who did he who's he passing to? oh it was a Ben Hardy on Sven Rendsburg. Was it was that right outside of of the toy?
Jarrod Dyke: Yes. Right. Right. and i
Grumpy Old Prop: And if you got that pass away, To Ben Hart, he's gone, right? Because all all that would happen is if OHC isn't right up on him, it's just a quick pass.
Jarrod Dyke: right
Grumpy Old Prop: It's a two-on-one, and I don't care who's out. It must have been Bayley or Lane. they were fast enough to take it that was gone um because you know we we love freddie stewart on this pod but we also recognize that he's not the fastest gentleman on the field and um nor with his with his yeah with his including um advanced height um makes him easier to step in many ways um
Jarrod Dyke: right
Jarrod Dyke: No, his ah his attacking game has improved, no question.
Grumpy Old Prop: So that was a play. So yeah, he came up to make the play. and And instead of just a simple pass, fucking Imitoy is carrying it one hand like a loaf of bread. And it's like you're trying to make a cool looking play rather than a score a try.
Grumpy Old Prop: Unacceptable.
Jarrod Dyke: Speaking of cool-looking plays...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, we the the one that he scored.
Jarrod Dyke: Revalvo.
Grumpy Old Prop: well that. Yeah, ah he did.
Jarrod Dyke: Revalvo made it look good. ibatoya had almost nothing to do with it and the fact that he caught it and put it down.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Although I love those tries again. i be texted this to you too. love those tries where like the guy who scores it, like someone makes a ridiculous pass and the guy who catches it just has to de like be like, okay, I got, i have the ball. I just got to ignore how awesome that was for a second and do my job and back it up so we can score a try.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: And he did that. And as soon as he scored the try, he's like, what the fuck was that pass? What are you doing? Like, how are you doing that?
Jarrod Dyke: Exactly.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like like, it all just comes out then like, yeah,
Jarrod Dyke: And in that moment, it's like, whoa, what the fuck did you just do
Grumpy Old Prop: Like,
Jarrod Dyke: What did you just do
Grumpy Old Prop: like you were getting tackled over there, and all a sudden there was ball in my hand. I don't know how it got there, but okay. What the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: but Holy shit. How did you do that? Yeah, that was that was pretty good. um Yeah. I mean, listen.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah There was another team played, though. Um...
Jarrod Dyke: there wasn't listen and Lister are obviously team that's going to be something to reckon with because they have a solid enough defense and check is not trying to make them you know it was talked about on this broadcast in particular about how the defensive teams yeah okay the defensive teams did kind of stand up this weekend but I wouldn't call Saracens the defensive team at this moment so chill the fuck out with that um
Grumpy Old Prop: move
Grumpy Old Prop: not right now and and i wouldn't call lester a fully defensive team though now with with hassle collins on one side radman on the other that has opened them up so much and it opened up a lot for either and they both scored and even and freddie stewart's were like they've got players on that in that back three now who can make plays and
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Vampire Fleet's fighting for him again, which is great.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Yup. And Pollard's just just stirring the drink. like He's doing a real good job of getting the ball where it needs to be. That opens up so much for guys like you know Henderson, Chessom, and Cracknell. like They've got guys who can kind of do it, but not enough to be like the man.
Grumpy Old Prop: But then you have Hassell Collins and Rodman come in, and both of them, Hassell Collins maybe less so, but Rodman, we've seen, can just be like, yeah, okay, just give me the ball and I'll do some fun with it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, absolutely.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And that just opens it up for the other guys. And they're taking advantage. This is a...
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm not happy about this outcome for Saracens.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, no, I'm not either.
Grumpy Old Prop: I would be much more comfortable with Bristol um ahead of us than Lester sniffing around. Because the way they've been playing lately, Saras match aside, has been ridiculous.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And Saracen's played something special that day. Let's be honest about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah, no, so it wasn't really about Lester.
Jarrod Dyke: there's no I think most people would agree with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: right, um let's go down to Super Rugby. Honest to God, this is one of the more bleh weekends of Super Rugby I've seen in a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was not good.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, Crusader's Blues was tight, but it wasn't quality rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was a boring fucking man. It was it was not a well played.
Jarrod Dyke: It was not a good game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. I shouldn't say boring because it was actually like entertaining, but not for the level of the quality of play.
Jarrod Dyke: No, it was it was interesting because it was so tight, but not so much because, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. It was like, which of these teams is going to win? Because it could go either way. And yeah, is something cool ever going to happen? Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, something cool did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: The AJ Lamb try off Satutu.
Grumpy Old Prop: But I mean, like, yeah, okay. That, yes.
Jarrod Dyke: but um Again, the audacity just to say, don't see what happens. Just flings it out the back door. I'm like, oh, dude. I mean, that's one of those ones that you're going to owe your whole team a rack of beer if you fuck it up.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: But...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's fair.
Jarrod Dyke: Because you hit it, everyone's buying you drinks.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Without a doubt.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then the James O'Connor, I mean, that that, you know, obviously at this point, we all know he's got the clangers.
Jarrod Dyke: he needs to He needs to start.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's not, that's not a surprise. So
Jarrod Dyke: He just needs to start because he makes this team better than Kamara does.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah, he does.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know what the... I mean... I was actually shocked that Kamara hit his conversions in this game ah because he's been terrible off the tee. And we know O'Connor's quality with that kicking.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: So i I mean, if Penny's interested in getting this title over the line, he needs to start playing O'Connor more.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, they, they,
Grumpy Old Prop: Perhaps, but I mean, they did, you know, they interviewed him after the game. and That was one of his comments was like, that's kind of what I came in here to do, like clean up. And, you know, there's especially if late in the game, you need a steady boot. That's where I am.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's where I come in. he's He's basically, I think he made it clear that he doesn't really want the starting job.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's like, I'm good with being the backup. That's not what I see. He didn't sign here to be the starter.
Jarrod Dyke: no
Grumpy Old Prop: So at least that's how it came across. But maybe, of course, he's being, you know, modest about the whole thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, he's probably... I mean, he's definitely turned from what he was when he was younger, when he was just an arrogant little shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So, definitely much more solid head on that man's shoulders now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Not sure I agree with that PK from the from the free Jacks that they just hit, but at the same time, it's a one point game.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh...
Grumpy Old Prop: So.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, they need to win this thing because I want top spot again. And it's within we're within sniffing distance of it, so.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. And L.A.' 's logo looks like a penis, so.
Jarrod Dyke: It does.
Grumpy Old Prop: hilarious.
Jarrod Dyke: That needs a foot. Okay, Oscar. Oh, Jesus.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that's ours.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a big hit.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's ours. That's ours. ah okay Sorry,
Jarrod Dyke: Um, anywho, um, let's go, let's go to Fiji.
Grumpy Old Prop: sorry something cool is happening in the Free Jacks games. Go Jared and I.
Jarrod Dyke: Let's go to Fiji.
Grumpy Old Prop: are
Jarrod Dyke: We're enthralled by the but the, while the quality of play has been quite shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, the competition is good as we were just talking about the ball Blues and Crusaders.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So there go. Um, shocker in a midweek game. Who knew? Um, let's go to Fiji.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Drua and Taz. I mean, Taz let themselves down. i think, i don't think there's any way around this.
Grumpy Old Prop: There is no way around that.
Jarrod Dyke: They've, they've got a,
Jarrod Dyke: Sadly, they have a couple of games this year where they've just really just totally shat it. And there's no there' no question about that in my mind because they've played way better than this, especially with Solii in the lineup.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: like i get it was I understand. It was hot there. The ball was super greasy. BG found a way to score four.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's
Jarrod Dyke: well Three and then the weird one at the end.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, oh, I guess that actually is a law. Damn.
Jarrod Dyke: Just didn't feel right, but it it it made sense in the end after I looked it up. i was like, yeah, okay, this actually makes sense.
Jarrod Dyke: But anyway. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, just not a good game from the Taz.
Jarrod Dyke: i still have to question Dan McKellar on a lot of things.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's a tough place to play. And yeah, well, there's, yeah. I'm just saying that it's a tough place to play um because of that.
Jarrod Dyke: It is
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, you know, the the greasy pill and the weather, it's it's not, yeah and the and the travel, but, you know, this is a team that the Tiles are supposed to be, they're supposed to be competing for the championship and you need to be able to score more than 14 points in a game like this.
Jarrod Dyke: They have the team to do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: They do.
Jarrod Dyke: They have the team to do it. i don't think there's a question about this. And then... You know, they were going to at least a point out of this, and then slowly he picked up the ball in the wrong spot. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's always a guy from league
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I mean, it is. is, but he should know better.
Jarrod Dyke: i i just.
Grumpy Old Prop: don't know they don't have they don't really have rules in league it's just kind of like as long as
Jarrod Dyke: Right. As
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: long as your head's still on your on your shoulders, you're good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, as long as you don't actually punch somebody on even then. Okay. um As long as you don't kill somebody, you can play on, whatever. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, play on. Fuck it. Um...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, i think I think there's a lot that the Taz can like about the team they've been putting out, but the disappointment just comes from their execution, really.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And, yeah, just bleh, bleh, bleh. Anyway, let's move on from this one because it wasn't pretty. Oh, not that was this one either.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Juana and Brumbies. It was in, I believe, what was this, Tongafiji or Samoa? It was not in this New Zealand, I don't believe.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, hold on a sec. I clicked away from the where it was. um Navigation Home Stadium, which I don't know where that is.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, that's not helpful.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck, it would be really nice if they put a, you know,
Jarrod Dyke: What good are you?
Jarrod Dyke: That's not Rugby Pass.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's in New Zealand.
Jarrod Dyke: It is an Izion. Weird. Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah I'm surprised they went away from North Harbor. Okay. Whatever. Up to them, I suppose. Anyway. um Point being, it was an unusual stadium and not one that most people would hang out with.
Grumpy Old Prop: I
Jarrod Dyke: But Brumby's got it done. in the end and they pulled, they adapted to the conditions that were happening and within the, within the stadium much, much better.
Grumpy Old Prop: did.
Jarrod Dyke: um yeah, dude's like where I'm, that looks like my hat.
Grumpy Old Prop: Huh. Except yours doesn't have that. Oh, maybe it's abandoned.
Jarrod Dyke: Mine doesn't have the band. I don't think.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but that I think that might be his glasses Ben.
Jarrod Dyke: also have no idea who this dude is talking.
Grumpy Old Prop: neither.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, yeah, we're, We're getting squirrel events over here. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Looks like a lame Jim Harbaugh.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know. But honestly, I i don't know what else we can say about Moana. That was just really disappointing. If I'm 10 at Moana, I'm pissed about the way the team played in that game because they just found ways to give it away left, right, and center.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: like it was They were handing it to him in a lot of ways.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And if I'm the team, I don't want him mad at me anymore. So they're going to have to pick it the fuck up. like Because, yeah. yeah that's not This is not... except for you know we've We've been talking about how good they are.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's kind of funny because we've been talking about how the Fiji and Drew have been such a disappointment. And Moana have been... um real fun to watch and it's like this weekend for some reason they decided it oh oh your turn this weekend like you guys you guys go for it flip that yeah um but that that does you know
Jarrod Dyke: We're going to flip that around.
Jarrod Dyke: Pretty sure, what's his book? Pretty sure Corey Toole owes someone a beer.
Grumpy Old Prop: uh i'll take it yeah oh that's right that's right that's right
Jarrod Dyke: When he was sliding into the gate there. I was like, oh shit. oh shit
Jarrod Dyke: I think he knocks someone back. He's like, e my bad. I couldn't stop myself. Like, dude, you got jets on your on your on your cleats. It's okay. It's hard to stop that. really is.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, just... I can't think of a single player that played that well for Moana, which is sad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, Filangi, I think, had a moment, and that's about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: and message
Jarrod Dyke: Everyone else, meh.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Just like a bottle of meh. So, yeah, they're going to go home and watch this. I'm sure they went home and watched this ten tape and yeah just got angry all over.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Let's go to FMG. Chiefs Highlanders.
Jarrod Dyke: More entertainment value, but also still still not much else to talk about. ah I like a lot of what the Highlanders have, but they've not really been able to step forward in the manner in which you would hope for.
Jarrod Dyke: So... ah
Grumpy Old Prop: And if you don't step forward, Chiefs are just going to be like, eventually, can just say, you know, let's just score some try boys.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's clear score some tries. You want to score some tries?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no kidding.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'd like to score some tries. Like, yeah, they they build the scoreboard a little bit, obviously, with the penalty kicks because McKenzie loves his boot. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, like, but at the same time, eventually they're going to start putting tries up and yeah. What the, how many has got one?
Jarrod Dyke: They did, and then they kicked a penalty.
Grumpy Old Prop: So no, well, they keep the penalty first and then, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I was like, ah what are you doing? Oh, that's right, they did. You're right.
Grumpy Old Prop: And then it went, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Again, you're you're playing the Chiefs. I understand McKenzie will go to the boot now and again, but the Chiefs can score tries, dude.
Grumpy Old Prop: right.
Jarrod Dyke: You need to be able to keep up with them if you want a shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And then second half.
Jarrod Dyke: And Penn's ain't going to freaking do it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Second half Chiefs came out and was OK, boys, scoring tries now. And they did right from the start. And then they just kept doing it.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, just turned on the gas.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like for fun. but Yeah, they scored.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: They scored one, two, three, four tries in 20 minutes, in 17 minutes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Out a halftime.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: who
Grumpy Old Prop: And then another one at the end just for fun.
Jarrod Dyke: And yeah, the Tanki Aho one just to say we mauled one over too. It's okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. We can also score this way, guys. um Yeah. Highlanders, again, just being... I'm just very disappointed in them. I thought they were going to pick it up, be a little bit better, but every week it just came keeps getting closer to the same old Highlanders from the last couple of years.
Jarrod Dyke: I know, and that's that is disappointing. And they have they have so many good pieces on there. And I know not all them played, but, like, damn, like, it's it's great to see Ratamai Tavuki Nikon's back.
Grumpy Old Prop: They do. They
Jarrod Dyke: Like, that that's that was, we thought we weren't going to see him this year, if ever, again. um So that's great.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Tava Tava Nawa has been a revelation for for them and just, really putting his hand up for all black selection for the France series. Like, but at the same time, like, you know, the 10 shirts been disappointing. i I think that's no doubt about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: um There, some of their, some of their back row has been male. The song hasn't been bad, but after that, it's like, it's just a total of, it's it's just a whole bottle of meh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wasn't Renton good last year or was that just me?
Jarrod Dyke: And I, he wasn't bad. he wasn't, I think he was better than what he's been playing. Let's put it that way.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. So, okay. That maybe that's what it was that I thought that was going to go up and it's gone back down.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's gone back. it It's yeah i've been the same at at best.
Grumpy Old Prop: hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: So, too bad. Too bad for that.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know where to start with this one. Like,
Jarrod Dyke: barf. In so many ways. Barf.
Grumpy Old Prop: I mean
Grumpy Old Prop: i i
Grumpy Old Prop: um so I watched this live and the whole time it was like that ah to me this this this game was a lot like that scene in Pulp Fiction with the yeah adrenaline shot and it the girlfriend Jody on the couch like just kind of nervous but smiling looking back and forth like what the fuck are these guys doing but I'm enjoying it That's kind of where I was with this. It was it was very like, i maliciously enjoyed this match in a way because it was just like, who wants to poop themselves more?
Grumpy Old Prop: Which of you two teams? ah Even even for Ben Donaldson getting his kick charged.
Jarrod Dyke: a good one, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: How is that not the end of the game? You charge him down and you are gone to the races and they couldn't put it away. And then I was like, oh, at that point, to be perfectly blunt, I was rooting for a tie.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because I was like, no, fuck this shit. Like, come on. That's a joke. Score the try.
Jarrod Dyke: and Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But then if you could score the tries, you wouldn't have been in that position.
Jarrod Dyke: No, well, if fucking Callum Harkin had just put the goddamn thing down.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: ah you idiot. Like you fucking idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's that too.
Jarrod Dyke: You owe everyone a rack of beer.
Grumpy Old Prop: There's that too. and then he and then And then he missed the kick at the end.
Jarrod Dyke: You owe everyone around at least.
Grumpy Old Prop: He clanged it off the upright when it was like a gimme.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. And then no, that was love. That was love.
Grumpy Old Prop: That was Love. Oh, are you sure?
Jarrod Dyke: the The drop goal?
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, no, no. The the the the penalty kick.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, that one. Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Love honked the drop goal. Yes. Harkin clanged it at the death.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. With all that said and how poorly the Hurricanes did and in the moments they needed to step up and step forward, Damon Murphy should never referee our game ever again.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, there's that too.
Jarrod Dyke: He is so inconsistent in ah matter of five minutes. We had the same exact, or not the same exact, but near same near, near exact instances of, you know, things at the rock. Number one, the breakdown with him is ridiculous. It is a shit show.
Jarrod Dyke: is an absolute shit show.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And he has no balls. He has no guts or authority. He's just like, yeah, don't do that again ever. It's like,
Grumpy Old Prop: right yeah bin him like that's not a
Jarrod Dyke: fuck you, dude. Like have some freaking, have some guts and say, Hey, come here, go sit asshole. That's not the shit we want in rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: Like that's not hard. And I'm talking about the decrepity fucker that came from, I don't know, 10 yards away just to start some shit. It's like, dude, there's nothing to start except when you came in.
Grumpy Old Prop: you
Jarrod Dyke: So you can kiss my ass and go to the bin and that's what should have happened. But instead, Murphy who has no freaking integrity whatsoever. And just like, meh, we're talking, remember, this is the guy that totally blew it a couple of years ago in the six nations with ah what should have been for all money, a penalty try for Italy and said, no, there's nothing there.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And, Nobody in their right mind said that made sense. Everyone, and I mean everyone, said that's that's total bullshit. So there's a reason he's not been doing too much international rugby because he is, in fact, shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: And the the standards of the officiating, I'm almost done, I promise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Speaking of which.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: the The standards of officiating, and I think we talked about it a couple weeks ago, like the the article about the head of officiating in URC, and how acceptable is what makes someone elite, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Jarrod Dyke: Those two things don't belong in the same conversation. If you're going to be elite, and you should be elite if you're going to do international rugby, then acceptable should not be nowhere.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: um We're talking about one game in your whole season probably.
Jarrod Dyke: So I wouldn't even put the words acceptable in there. I would say this is, you know, everything needs to be good or above, you know, and, you know, great, great and excellent aren't always going to enter the conversation with a good, with a really good referee.
Jarrod Dyke: I get that. but they're still aligned. And, you know, the likes of, and and just the standards, so shit, it's f freaking, you know it's guys like Angus, maybe who's, who sucks ass freaking Damon Murphy, Adam Leal.
Jarrod Dyke: I'm trying to think of the other idiots.
Grumpy Old Prop: the Welsh with her, Evans Crane.
Jarrod Dyke: Woodthorpe. Oh, Evans. God, he's terrible. Holy shit. He's terrible. Like the whole, the whole thing, just whatever's going on with that freaking, with this whole thing with the referees, like,
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Bin it and restart it because this is just unacceptable shit. Like inconsistency. be Be shit, but be shit equally. When you're inconsistent and you see you know the same instance twice and you have a different ruling on each one, that is the telltale sign that you're not a good referee.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: And he's been around long enough that he should be. So.
Grumpy Old Prop: And when it gets chippy, it's the same way. like If shit's getting chippy, it's because you're not doing your job right and then the players are like, well, fuck it.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, no shit.
Jarrod Dyke: Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: like All right, I can do whatever I want now. like no that's No, that's not good.
Jarrod Dyke: No, not good all.
Grumpy Old Prop: And if everybody's yelling at you, then yes, you're definitely fucking shit up.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah. Take the hint, dude. When something like that happens, like take the hint, it means you're just terrible. It really does. All right. um Moving on.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was going to say, speaking of of shit ref rating, I'm trying to figure out what the fuck's going on on the three jacks match. I've been really wishing we had ref mics.
Jarrod Dyke: I couldn't either.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Not that we had the volume up, but what looked like a clear try to me was not allowed, but then he gave LA a yellow to one of their front rows for some reason on that play, and now they have a scrum.
Jarrod Dyke: No. No.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, beats me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, fine. I'm not sure that was the right call in the end, but I would take...
Jarrod Dyke: Well, if I get over the line, I'm not going to care.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah and they're just going to...
Jarrod Dyke: Pick and go the hell out of this thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Okay. We can move on. Um, it's going to be like that for a bit.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah, but but on Friday, they took care of business, which was good.
Grumpy Old Prop: What do we got next? Oh, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They didn't need to do anything crazy in that game, but hey, they got one.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was. Oh, yeah. The whip around.
Jarrod Dyke: All right, there we go. Hopefully that seals the deal.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yay. Yeah. With the yellow, too.
Grumpy Old Prop: having to bring in her ah forward. Yeah. Anyway, um, bringing ah there was the prop who was already came out because he was exhausted. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Nice.
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah, that's good. Plus someone else has to drop out. Excellent, excellent work by the free jacks. um But yeah, on on Friday, like, Anthem's just not a good team and they did what you got to do to a good team to a team that's not a good team.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I mean, Anthem has pushed people push teams close, and the fact that we didn't even get to that point says, you know, how well how well the boys played and how poorly the Anthem played, really.
Grumpy Old Prop: And...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but... Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: True.
Jarrod Dyke: So. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And, you know, I credit to Mitchie and Fricker who both put in ah hell of an effort in their in their losing cause. But it felt a lot of times like it was just the two of them versus the Free Jacks.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, because they were the only ones who were really trying to, like, who were showing up doing stuff.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's not a good thing.
Grumpy Old Prop: I didn't really, so there wasn't much of a threat otherwise.
Jarrod Dyke: Commentary were all about a couple other guys. I was like, I don't see them doing shit. I don't know what you guys talking about.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. I don't know what you're talking about.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Sadly, the Banshees fumbled it a little bit on Saturday. And it has to be said, i mean, shocker of the day, the league is a bunch of morons. um I don't know who decided to schedule this league in the middle of Pac-4, but it unfortunately it totally detracts from it because while there are still some quality players on these teams, this is not dissimilar to when MLR lost all their international players.
Jarrod Dyke: remember those Remember those weeks and how bad those games were?
Grumpy Old Prop: They were not good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, when they were what like when they when we were first talking about this whole thing, like, yeah, it was not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: was not good. So i'm um unfortunately, I'm not shocked at the that the play kind of dropped. ah there's some there There are some very quality players in both teams for this one.
Jarrod Dyke: Banshee's lost like six players, I think, to the U.S. call-ups, so that's no bueno.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But still, you got you got to get the job done when you're at home, and they didn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: But hey.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but at the same time they won on the road with the um very intelligent and and absolutely correct um intentional knock penalty try award like yeah it wasn't not enough certainly not enough forward pass that one um yeah so it's like you stole one you you yeah you literally stole one so okay give one back and it's all you know kind of fair game
Jarrod Dyke: ah I'm sure New York had ah had a few things on their mind.
Jarrod Dyke: be interesting when they when they play Denver. i think they play them in two weeks.
Grumpy Old Prop: plus did you see who wrapped that fucking game
Jarrod Dyke: um Oh, I did.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was so funny.
Jarrod Dyke: i did.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, yeah. Anyway, i Jess was watching it much more closely than I was. um But all i heard all I heard from her while she was just watching it was, I disagree.
Grumpy Old Prop: i disagree Oh, my God. How do you make that call? It was just a constant stream of that.
Jarrod Dyke: That sounds on par for me.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, what are you doing? And then I think there was one play where, like, Tara just allowed something to happen and it ended a try and she's like, see, there you go. You just like, actually just let it play out and things will be all right.
Grumpy Old Prop: You don't have to blow your whistle every two seconds and be, you know, right.
Jarrod Dyke: But then who's going to hear from her? ah how do i get How do I get heard from her if I don't blow my whistle every every five seconds?
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like the people, the people are here to see me, right?
Jarrod Dyke: Shut up. We're talking about...
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: we're we're talking about players that are local um known quantities. And if you can't tell, they're they're not good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Yes, this this particular... No, this a ref. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, former players.
Grumpy Old Prop: Former players who were knobs when they were players, too.
Jarrod Dyke: Sorry.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Anyway, we'll move five
Jarrod Dyke: As we said, no discrimination around here.
Grumpy Old Prop: on.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway, let's go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Where's Julia? would Julia and I need to have a conversation about this.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there you go. Julia, call Ben. He needs to talk to you.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: ah Anyway. All right. um Let's do super illustrious. um Outdid themselves.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Well, there was the one, but we're gonna again we're going to get to him later. um So other than that, outdid themselves. Like, oh, shit. um
Grumpy Old Prop: To me, Ali Hassel Collins has been outdoing himself.
Jarrod Dyke: There you
Grumpy Old Prop: like give I'll give him a shout.
Jarrod Dyke: That's a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: um A lot of Italy.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: lot of the Italy team outdid themselves.
Jarrod Dyke: Solari, yeah, I had her i had her on the on my list.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, so yes, I'll give it yeah that's a good shout for.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And Jamie Blumeyer.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Who just how he does it takes a special kind of player to play that well on a team like that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And Alex Sanderson.
Jarrod Dyke: It does.
Grumpy Old Prop: Who I guess never mind, I'll get to him in a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But we'll get that to that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Jump spoilers.
Jarrod Dyke: um Yeah. um Want to throw Jugang in there. um bill Good to see guys like Rattamay Duviki Nikins and and Billy Proctor back. They both played really well in their returns. Hurl's playing really well, like I talked about before.
Jarrod Dyke: um Tizano, as much as I fucking hate to say it, like, yep, had himself a stormer in a really ugly match. So throw those in there. um Pooed it a little bit.
Grumpy Old Prop: gotta say Marcus Smith pooped himself a little bit
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. on in that same vein, Liliceo.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Didn't play a well for Brumbies, even though they they won, but he just i didn't see I didn't see a lot of good out of him, which is...
Grumpy Old Prop: That's fair.
Jarrod Dyke: Maybe he explains why he's on his way out the door.
Grumpy Old Prop: little bit, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Kind of look around who else pooted a little bit. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wales to a certain extent, but oh, I'd say, you know, Lakey George. i'm going to start with there because it was her first pooing and she was the one who pooed the most, to be honest. And that's not I realize she wasn't the name, the name starter on the day.
Grumpy Old Prop: She had to fill in late and that that's difficult.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: But and there's the fact that she's not. At the level of play of a lot of the rest of those teammates, and that's another.
Jarrod Dyke: It hurts her. Yeah, it hurts the team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: It hurts the team. It really does.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And I'm not trying to know I know i i I say her name a lot and in situations like this, and it's only because I think she can be really, really good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And she needs to to to really take that next step herself.
Jarrod Dyke: ah I'm not laughing at that. did you see what happened?
Grumpy Old Prop: How did that not how is that not our ball?
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I'm ahead of you. Watch.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. oh you dumbass.
Jarrod Dyke: Quick tap, knock it on.
Grumpy Old Prop: like tab I was talking about yeah the like the breakdown before the the the line break there was like it clearly looked like free jacks ball and
Jarrod Dyke: That is the best. ah
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, I thought so too. I did too, but that that's justice right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: that is quick tap on hmm hmm
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah. um I put Moana on my list. Bodhi as well.
Jarrod Dyke: Even like, sorry, Lawson Creighton didn't play well for Taz and he's actually played pretty well for the most part. I'm, I've been impressed by him and I was not necessarily convinced of him right away. So, um, rough coach, young player.
Grumpy Old Prop: um I don't think I have a ref this week as I normally normally don't ah at this point.
Jarrod Dyke: Paul Williams for me from the Druah and Taz game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fair. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Coach, obviously Alex Anderson.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Same. Agreed.
Grumpy Old Prop: And young player. And I... and and i heard this in my head so when we went we were out in in detroit and we had to watch you know whatever on tv to to keep the baby a little bit um she loves musicals so um what was it uh the wizard of oz was on and when i'm watching asher apokufujor do what he was doing ah got in my head asher apokufujor and i'm like fuck that but now i heard i heard it in my head so now you all have to out there too
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah. it's It's in my head, so here, you all can do it, too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I was thinking I had um i had Anderson and Glister as well, but yeah, it's hard to take it away from ah poker bridge jar.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Really good, really good day after him.
Jarrod Dyke: Try the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: That I'm not a Jomo. It betwee a try.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it was between that to the or the lamb try.
Grumpy Old Prop: With the rovo. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Honestly, they're both really good.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Jarrod Dyke: I'll give Satutu this. His was in the wet. That was not fun. That was not fun weather to try that in, but anyway, and he did it well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Well, there was also the...
Jarrod Dyke: So, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: but who Who finished the try that Apoko Forjor started? Was that Curry?
Grumpy Old Prop: Or was that LCD?
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think it was Curry.
Jarrod Dyke: No, not LCD. No, I think it was Curry.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that was...
Jarrod Dyke: Like 90% sure of that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: Player of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that was that was a sweet try. um Again, staying back with Asher Apoko Forjor, that was a way to just...
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, was.
Grumpy Old Prop: show up and be like, yeah, I'm going to you know, in in a you know match with... Just go through the fucking names. um You know, Marcus Smith, Caden Murley, Tyrone Green, Alex Dombrant.
Jarrod Dyke: hmm. Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um And then even on the other side, George Ford.
Grumpy Old Prop: that the The whole back three there of Reed, Roebuck, Carpenter, they're players. And it was Opoku Forjor who just... was tearing up the pitch out of all of them um from the, from the tight end proposition.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Says a lot. Says a lot. um I went with your guy, but not your guy, DMACC.
Grumpy Old Prop: I.
Jarrod Dyke: just I thought he controlled things really well for for the Chiefs and yeah was willing to just... give the ball the air that it needed, which it's really tempting to not sometimes when you're playing a bad team because you're just like, I just want to eat this ball and just not pass it because I can totally run through these guys, which he could, but he didn't.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm-hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He was able you you able to move the ball around well and um really made life hard on um the Highlanders. Granted, the Highlanders are not as good as we hoped, but yeah, the reason that but they also did they also did to the Highlanders what you should do to the Highlanders with how badly they played as well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. It's not like ah not like that's that difficult at that level.
Jarrod Dyke: So there's that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Dick of the week.
Grumpy Old Prop: dick of the week is um shit which one was it was it not with dick skin absolutely to me dick skin and i can't even remember which match he refereed um was it
Jarrod Dyke: What we got?
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Yep, that's a good one.
Jarrod Dyke: The Leicester and Bristol match. I thought he had ah thought he should have sent Kata off. have sent Kata off for his history, honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: there was, and he had some other just, just really shitty calls that, that, um, annoyed the piss out of me.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, that's just me.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, um, what, and hold on.
Jarrod Dyke: No way.
Grumpy Old Prop: the I wish I could, i and I, let me see what they have ah as far as a, a recap. I just remember there being something annoying happening even towards the end of Bristol Lester that, that he just pissed me off the whole time.
Grumpy Old Prop: and i can't remember what it was, but, um,
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: So there you go. Dick skin, you kind of lucked out. I, I had you down as my dick of the week, but I can't exactly remember why.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, ah I'll make this one easy for you, Oz.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that'll work.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, it was...
Grumpy Old Prop: That'll work. That'll work just fine. I know why.
Jarrod Dyke: The amount of, like, it's... You know, that shouldn't be that. That shouldn't be... Shut the fuck up, Austin Healy. You are such an asshole.
Grumpy Old Prop: the
Jarrod Dyke: Like, dude, you're you are you are the detriment of the game, not the benefit, the detriment. People like, oh, he's funny. No, he's ah he's funny to a fucking detriment. That's not the point. That's not the point. I don't care how much of it he makes fun of himself.
Jarrod Dyke: Every time he goes for a whinge about something that's not right when he's wrong, number one.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know no
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, bullshit.
Grumpy Old Prop: right
Jarrod Dyke: Shut the fuck up, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: Flats is funny.
Jarrod Dyke: I like flats and yes, he and Oz get on, but flats is usually just good entertainment.
Grumpy Old Prop: Flats is funny.
Jarrod Dyke: And usually he's got, he's got a point usually too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: you know, he's not always right.
Grumpy Old Prop: He has actual analysis.
Jarrod Dyke: I'll, I'll come out and say that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, but he actually has analysis. Like he will say this and Oz will just be like, that's not the way it should be. And it's like, well, shut up. That's the way it is.
Jarrod Dyke: Shut the hell up, dude.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, and you can't say why it's not the way it should be.
Jarrod Dyke: Nobody cares.
Grumpy Old Prop: You just are like, I don't like that. Okay. Well, and don't look like,
Jarrod Dyke: That's fine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Why why are you here? If all you do is not like what you see, why are you here?
Jarrod Dyke: and Yeah, no shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, and like, why are you the one promoting the game?
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, God.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, why do they choose you and not someone who actually likes what they're doing?
Jarrod Dyke: Tell me about it.
Jarrod Dyke: You ain't kidding, man.
Grumpy Old Prop: So, good call.
Jarrod Dyke: You ain't kidding.
Grumpy Old Prop: Always a good call with Oz.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Fuck him. Anyway, pick him and then we're going scoot and move on to other things.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, sale Saracens. Friday night.
Grumpy Old Prop: I
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I'll be happy to be wrong, but it's a tough place to go on Friday night. Um, feel like we always play there on a Friday night.
Jarrod Dyke: At least the last couple of seasons, I think.
Grumpy Old Prop: i don't mind that it's a Friday night.
Jarrod Dyke: Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: I think that's probably better, but still.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Bath Newcastle.
Grumpy Old Prop: don't they're going to win that game.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's tough one. I'm going to go with the hosts just because it's it's even, but going let that be the differentiator.
Jarrod Dyke: Can't imagine why. Yeah. Lester Quinns.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think I'm also going to go with hosts on this one, but this one for real, that there's not much. that's gonna be This could be a tough match for both teams.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Saints Bristol.
Grumpy Old Prop: I guess the question is,
Grumpy Old Prop: you know what do Saints put out the team kind of like they did last time? Are Bristol going to be super mad about the last one?
Jarrod Dyke: I think it's so so it's a revamped. I think it's a revamped team because they do need to run out before they go to Leinster.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. the They do.
Jarrod Dyke: Okay.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm still going to go with Bristol.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, I'm going to go with the host. Hey, we have one different this week. That's good.
Grumpy Old Prop: There we go. It's been a while.
Jarrod Dyke: ah Yeah, has been a bit. Gloucester Exeter.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gloucester.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, same. ah Super Rugby, Chiefs Force.
Grumpy Old Prop: Chiefs.
Jarrod Dyke: Chiefs. Reds Blues.
Grumpy Old Prop: Love when that happens. um Reds. I think are a better team.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, same.
Grumpy Old Prop: i don't Yeah, I don't trust the Blues. Fuck the Blues.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: This year?
Jarrod Dyke: just
Grumpy Old Prop: i'm What the fuck?
Jarrod Dyke: Same, Brizzy. Like, yep. Moana and Drua. Yay, Freejax won.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yay.
Jarrod Dyke: Need that one.
Grumpy Old Prop: They haven't yet won in my, but it's after the clock's dead and they're up nine. So they've won.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep, they won.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, the clock is red in there and they're up nine. They've won.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, anyway, back to this, uh, we with Moana.
Jarrod Dyke: Same. think they'll bounce back and they're going to play in their backyard.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: So I'll go with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um Highlanders, Crusaders.
Grumpy Old Prop: Gotta say crusaders.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Same. Brumbies, Hurricanes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Brumbies.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Took me too long, but
Jarrod Dyke: i also went I also went with that.
Grumpy Old Prop: at the same time, I didn't want to just be mean and say, oh, Brumbies, easy. that That would be rude.
Jarrod Dyke: No, but listen, I know this this is not...
Grumpy Old Prop: ah um
Jarrod Dyke: ah Listen, there's a lot wrong with the hurricanes, and I'll be the first one to admit it.
Grumpy Old Prop: But also, the Brumbies aren't perfect.
Jarrod Dyke: I hope they can fix it, but no, they're not.
Grumpy Old Prop: The Brumbies aren't perfect. they but this Yeah, this could end up as ah as a King's win, but I just don't. I'm not going to predict that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I need to see it, so... Nope, yeah. Yeah, hurricanes are perfectly capable of bouncing back and fixing everything that went wrong this past weekend. But I need to see it.
Jarrod Dyke: and that's just how it is. All right. um We are going to duck out of here for a minute, and we're going to do some fantasy stuff. um In the meantime, we appreciate everyone that comes along and listens with us.
Jarrod Dyke: We'll see you over the fancy corner if you're not heading over there. Otherwise, well will see youll see you next week, and we appreciate everyone that comes along and listens to us. Enjoy the rugby. Have a good one, everyone.
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
