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Judgement Night with Peter Toatley
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Long time friend of the show, true OG (of many things), Suburban Dad, and Instagram’s Sexiest Man 2023, @threadbareandrumpled. First, we celebrate the triumphant 44th birthday of the one and only Peter Toatley. A raucous episode, we discuss The Bush Years (Not Gavin Rossdale) and the current echoes, Matt is Born Again by Peter’s retelling of seeing Fugazi live. Helly Hansen gets a mention, and about perception versus reality of our American lives.
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Transcript
Introduction to Apocalypse Duds
00:00:03
Speaker
Good evening. I'm Connor. And I'm Batsmith. And you are now listening to Apocalypse Duds. I think I haven't slept really in a little while, so... Yeah, yeah.
00:00:20
Speaker
When Connor texts me at four in the morning, uh, that's when I know that something is off with him. And that has happened a couple of times in the past, like few weeks. I'm not going to explain why I am up at four in the morning, but let's just say that I don't, I don't support research, obviously.
Late Night Music and Radio Memory Lane
00:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I'm up at four in the morning fucking playing music through my Bluetooth speaker like pots in my fucking head randomly and a lot of people on Instagram well not a lot because Instagram sucks sometimes but uh I posted them to Instagram stories because I wanted to be a DJ growing up and I never got that opportunity
00:01:02
Speaker
And so you are now, really, I mean, music that you post like, yeah, yeah. I don't often tell you about it, but it comes down to like, I think.
00:01:15
Speaker
Yeah, if anyone's listening, do people listen to the songs that I post? I have no clue. I don't either. I'll do it here and there, but I'm not religious about watching stories and also not religious about
00:01:33
Speaker
I don't want to hear it coming out of my phone speaker. I never want to hear it coming out of the phone speaker. I feel like I'm never in a position where I want to be listening to music. If I'm out and about looking at Instagram stories, it's a fucking photo app.
00:01:49
Speaker
Yeah, photos with no sound. It's a vicious cycle. Um, I did something a few years ago, like for a couple of months, just as it made me happy, but, uh, I would do, uh, what I called rebels and rogue's late night radio, where I would just post whatever I was listening to. Um, I, I bring it back from time to time. I should probably just make playlists.
00:02:13
Speaker
um and do like but again it goes back to like sitting you know sitting in my room listening to like radio when i was six or eight or whatever the fuck i was and like thinking mimicking those kind of those kind of things like oh like up next we've got hoodie and the ball fish or some shit
00:02:34
Speaker
Dude, yes. And this is something that we wanted to talk about. So really good. Really good. Yeah. And Love Mind. Yeah. Yes. Love Mind. And like, I mean, later on when we were kids, like when I was a kid necessarily, like TRL, you know, Total Request Live. I hadn't thought about that in years. I did the other day. I don't fucking know why. But yeah, like there's that certain kind of thing that is no longer on the radio.
00:03:04
Speaker
like DJs today are just kind of mediocre, like, oh yeah, this is, or they're annoying, you know, but it's mostly just like, oh yeah, this is a white room by queen or by cream, you know, it's just, yeah, I like the idea of being a DJ. There's an editorial aspect that is kind of missing now.
The Decline of Radio and Atlanta's Music Scene
00:03:30
Speaker
Yeah, for sure, for sure. Which maybe is for the best. I think the radio has only gotten so bad because it has been corporatized. Oh, totally.
00:03:46
Speaker
The fucking 96, I think like communications act, like we're clear channel after that, bought up all this fucking radio real estate. I don't, I don't want to go into that right now, but yeah, I'm not talking necessarily about the, like. The announcer voice, but just like.
00:04:09
Speaker
having more of a diverse kind of like thing that all somehow becomes coherent with a through line, but like that's not something that Ray DDA's Zune do these days. Like they got a, you know, they got a playlist and they mostly stick to it. And, you know, that's what I like about the DJ kind of thing is like weaving this thread through a bunch of different songs that
00:04:36
Speaker
Maybe, maybe seem like they're similar, but maybe not. I don't know. Just, this is how I think. This is, ladies and gentlemen, how I think. Yes, and now we know.
00:04:49
Speaker
Yeah, now we know. Yeah, I saw a band that I'm really hyped on last night called Uniform from New York. Shout out Uniform. Sadly, there were like, there was a bunch of shit going on. Like I've told kind of this already, but there were two or three hardcore and or metal and or punk shows.
00:05:18
Speaker
around the city. Harm's Way was playing at the Masquerade, which is a pretty big venue and they're on a record release tour. Brian Jonestown Massacre, which I have to note had the weirdest looking or the weirdest mixture of people in the crowd waiting for that show that I've ever seen in my life.
00:05:41
Speaker
we're playing and then I learned after I went to see uniform with 24 other souls that fucking mud honey played down the street. And this venue, this is my favorite. I feel like I'm contractually obligated to talk about Atlanta on every episode. This is my favorite small venue in Atlanta called Earl. Sorry.
00:06:09
Speaker
What are the top two? My favorite that I go to shows at, not my favorite that I've played, but it's called the Earl. It's a bar and a venue, has like a, I don't know, 250 or so capacity and fucking mud, honey. You played there last night and no one. That would have been insane.
00:06:29
Speaker
I mean, that's like a bucket list set in that small of a venue, and literally no one, myself, my friends that are also into similar shit, knew about it. It sold out almost immediately, and I guess they just didn't promote it at all.
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, but sadly uniform was fucking amazing They played to about 25 people and it really bummed me out and Yeah, I I feel in connection with them Musically and lyrically and I was just like yo man, please don't let this discourage you for playing on again Yeah, I bet that they I bet that they took your
00:07:17
Speaker
I hope so. I hope so. They've been waiting here before and it was great. So I'm holding out hope for that. I missed seeing Mudhoney. I think I could have seen Mudhoney in like maybe 2005 or 2004. Yeah. Yeah. But I just didn't.
00:07:35
Speaker
I like to really like shows that much. Yeah, yeah. I mean, at this point in life, I'm very particular, as I am with everything, about what shows I go to and what ones that I'm just like, yeah, I'll listen to the record. Mud Honey in a 250-person club is fucking insane.
00:07:58
Speaker
Yeah, that would just be like, I didn't even realize they were still touring. Yeah, I didn't either. Yeah, anyway, we had a great interview with Peter totally hashtag suburban dad that we're riding the high off of.
00:08:21
Speaker
yeah it was really excellent i mean just a top top top guy like yeah just always on like knows what more and it's like he always knows what i'm talking about totally totally he always knows what i'm talking about yeah he's just a really sharp guy really sharp guy really sharp dresser
00:08:44
Speaker
Really, yeah, just great taste all the way around. Peter and I connected on, well, we connected on the first episode, but even more so on this one with musical taste, which if anyone listening has listened to five minutes of our show and knows that that's the most important thing to me.
00:09:07
Speaker
Yeah, he randomly tied back something that I had talked about on a previous show with a band from Boston and it was just the most
00:09:23
Speaker
like apocalypse guns type of thing yeah like it was just so fucking good and like you know a lot of a lot of shit that came out in the late like pre-internet boom era um or in a very early like widespread adoption of the internet like late 90s to early 2000s it's just lost
00:09:47
Speaker
I mean, how many pictures do all of us have that, like, we uploaded to Photovocate, which I've probably talked about before, and it's just gone. And, like, finding someone in 2023 that knows this obscure band and is like, oh, yeah, like, it's just wild because a lot of that shit is just gone. And, you know, like,
00:10:13
Speaker
I hate fucking streaming services for
Music Streaming vs Buying: Supporting Artists
00:10:17
Speaker
the most part. I use Spotify because I'm a Luddite and that's the easiest one for me. They have made it hard. They have made it hard and not everybody has a working record or CD player. I'm not saying music should be free. Just a lot of the times. You should just be able to pirate everything. Yeah.
00:10:41
Speaker
Well, you're basically pirating and these bands are making pennies on the dollar. Like, if they were getting paid by these gigantic bucks, it would be one thing. Like, I pay $15 a month for Spotify. Part of that should go to the bands that I listen to. That's not the point. But, you know, there are a lot of obscure things that end up on the platforms. And like, I bought the first music that I bought in a long time.
00:11:09
Speaker
the other day on Bandcamp because I listened to it all the times that I could and I paid five bucks and now I can stream this thing forever. I don't physically own it, but it's an important record. It's an interesting thing living in 2023, but we digress.
00:11:34
Speaker
Yeah, sorry about that. We talk about the, um, yeah, this is, this is an episode that I feel like, uh, embodies what apocalypse does is all about. Uh, we go on rants. Yeah. We talk about politics. Yeah. If there's any question where we stand on most anything, this episode probably answers it. And, uh, yeah.
Listener Support and Peter Totally's Influence
00:12:04
Speaker
Fuck it. This was our chat with Peter Totely coming up. If you like what we do and appreciate what we do and want to send over a buck or two, you're welcome. Connor Spinmo is... Connor.
00:12:25
Speaker
Yeah, at Connor-Fowler, his PayPal is ConnorFowler at gmail.com. Thank you for listening and stay tuned.
00:12:46
Speaker
Ladies, gentlemen, friends, and folks, we are here today with none other than Instagram's sexiest man, Peter, totally 2023, truly an amazing tour de force dresser. It's true, the best dressed person on Instagram easily. He really is, he really is. Looks like he never, never, ever, ever tries. Yes, yes. We gotta start this out by saying, happy fucking birthday, Peter.
00:13:14
Speaker
Thank you so much. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy birthday schedule to Record an interview with our funny cute little show And this man has this man has children. I mean like yeah easily has better better things to be doing Talking to two derelicts, of course Yeah How's how is your day been my man I
00:13:43
Speaker
It was pretty uneventful, you know, I don't know how old you guys are but I'm I just turned 44 Yeah, 44th birthday it becomes very like sort of like it's just yeah Like we we we use I went to work for a little while and I'll tell you I did I
00:14:07
Speaker
I did take the opportunity to do that at the first moon where I was like, I don't want to be at work. I just. Nice. Because I wanted it. I'm going to introduce you as totally artist. No dude. Amazing artist. Really? Like that. What are the perks of being a tattoo artist? If one of them is not to just.
00:14:34
Speaker
I'm not. Not today. I screwed around high school and now I gotta do tattoos for a living. Dude, that sounds pretty fucking perfect, honestly. We used
Birthday Blues and Anxiety Around Gifts
00:14:49
Speaker
the tagline, the clown and the curmudgeon to describe Connor and myself on this program. And I will go on record to say that I hate holidays. And most of all, I hate my fucking birthday.
00:15:07
Speaker
Matt has like so, Matt has like so few bad parts. Yeah. But this is like one of the worst parts. Super screwed. The like birthday Hari-Kari. Yeah, screw generally. It's the only thing that you're allowed to like yourself really. I think that that means that really at heart Matt would like to have some of those like metallic gold balloons that says his birthday. Oh fuck dude.
00:15:30
Speaker
This is for you. And he seems like a little pose with one leg up. You have no idea how awkward that would make me feel. And I will say this. I will say this about me. I think I would love to see that. Oh my god. Dude, I've never had a... A very rustic boot. I've never had a panic attack. That might give me my first one, if I'm being honest.
00:15:58
Speaker
I feel like I need to say this in context or put context around this. Birthday and for me growing up Christian and or I'm a white person or a normal white person, Christmas.
00:16:18
Speaker
Like the amount of anxiety that I get from not knowing what is in a package that's wrapped in this shit. Oh really? I don't maybe like I don't know when it happened but a switch flipped and I hate surprises. I absolute like like I fly by the seat of my pants and most of my life I fucking hate surprises when they're like
00:16:43
Speaker
You would love my house then because I buy, I have to buy all my own gear. Oh yeah. Yeah. I got this lovely Shetland sweater and just the color I want. Fuck yeah. Yeah. That's what it is. I don't want people to spend so much money.
00:17:02
Speaker
on something that I really don't want. I feel like some people have the same reaction that I do from childhood trauma and that is not at all the case. My parents are wonderful and they bought me my first guitar. They bought me a drum set. They bought me a stereo. They bought me all of this shit that I really fucking wanted. But at some point in my adult life, I just became
00:17:32
Speaker
I don't know, just like, so not into receiving gifts because like, I don't- That is the birthday grant. I am the birthday grant. Dude, I will own that. I like love giving gifts. Yeah, exactly! Yeah, I love getting shit for people.
00:17:48
Speaker
I do not love it when I have to fake some sort of emotion about a thing that someone got me that I might like. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I might love it. That's great. But I don't want to be put into that situation of having to show emotion falsely, whatever the case. That's right. Yeah, with people. It's an emotional labor. This might be the point.
00:18:18
Speaker
That's the part you get. Yeah, exactly. Also, for the record, that might be the weirdest tangent that we have gone down on this program since inception. That's probably right. I think that's probably right. I like it. It's the conversations between- Can I make a callback? Can I make a callback to a recent episode? Yes, please do.
00:18:45
Speaker
You were talking to Matt about a band called Officer Man. And I was fucking dying driving in my car because that's like, that's like a, that's a new one. Yeah, they're from Boston. Yeah, that's like an Austin band. Okay.
00:19:01
Speaker
Because that I that's right in the period where I was living in Alston and kind of Roxy holy shit, and I have definitely see I was like officer May I've seen that band more than once and I was like I think I've seen that band There was a thing in Boston called Kaiju big battle. Have you ever heard of that?
00:19:20
Speaker
It was like a, maybe the art institute or like the museum school is like this performance art kind of thing that was like a cross between like Godzilla, like Kaiju monsters and like Lucha Libre wrestling. So they would have shows and it's like this wrestling match, but they would have bands open. And I think that's one of the times I saw Officer May. Fuck! Okay, okay, okay.
00:19:45
Speaker
peter i'm gonna i was like laughing listen this is gonna be the most serious thing that i will ever ask you in my entire life can you find me
00:19:58
Speaker
The, I think they put out, like self-released a record before the one that I was, that my buddy Matt, Shout Out Factors, told me about. That has still been on repeat for like two weeks. Can- Oh, also like, like something that's not on spot. Yeah, yeah, something that is no streaming whatsoever. Do you know what it's called? I might be able to find out, but if you- I'll tell you, if you can email me the, the name, I will keep it hanging out. Okay.
00:20:27
Speaker
sick yeah because there's definitely people i know that are tight in that scene okay the second wow look at that the second part of this question is if any of those those people that uh that may or may not have this record that i don't even know the name of at this moment um have video yeah or photos or anything or that's or a t-shirt
00:20:55
Speaker
Um, which I don't even know exists. I don't know. I feel like I feel called to act. I don't know. I don't know. I imagine it does exist. It's so wild though. Like they have 30s. That was kind of like thoroughly kind of thinned out. They like a lot of the clubs in that end of town are kind of close. Yeah. A lot of that Austin Rock scene is kind of gone as far as I know. That's so sad.
00:21:23
Speaker
Right. Right. I'm going to be emailing you to see if you can turn up any dirt and or.
Fugazi's Influence and Punk's Political Impact
00:21:30
Speaker
And then I was going to, and then that made me think of a clothing related show story that I just think is so hilarious. Oh, fuck yeah. Hit us. And also big part in the theme part of town. I used to have this jacket. It was a mountain of hardware, Chewgatch. It's like a sort of puffer jacket, early puffer jacket. I've looked for one on eBay and Etsy for like six months. I want one so.
00:21:57
Speaker
And I was never like a big Fugazi fan. I was like, you need like you fit today. Not a super Fugazi fan, but it was like that album. I think instrument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a documentary. Yeah. Okay. So when that came out, they played again, I think it was like at the art Institute or the museum school. I don't know. They're kind of synonymous. Same thing in my mind.
00:22:23
Speaker
but they're playing like a gym and we get there and it's just like so crowded and we like get mashed up to the front. And I have this like puffer jacket on, right? And like maybe we're like, I don't want to speak out of turn, but I don't, I don't know. I almost want to say that they have a lightning bolt later open for that. Okay. Oh yeah. Cause that's like,
00:22:45
Speaker
That's like a kind of like a kind of vague memory I have also in like a weird gym and like violence and stuff. And so Fugazi starts playing and I'm like, holy shit, Fugazi has two singers, first of all. I was like, who's that skinny guy? Weird, he's going crazy. So anyway, going crazy.
00:23:06
Speaker
The crowd's surging around and it's getting very violent and getting very hot in this puffer jacket. I'm literally about to lose consciousness. I'm getting mashed in between people, thrown into the pit, out. And finally, I just unzip this puffer jacket. I'm like, I love this fucking jacket. And I just threw it straight up into the air.
00:23:28
Speaker
And that was the last time I saw that jacket. And then I had to like walk home in like the freezing Boston. Yeah. Like sweat. What year would this have been? God, that's what I'm trying to remember. That has to be, what, 1999 to like 2000. OK, so. I can tell you it's before September 11th. I'm pretty sure.
00:23:58
Speaker
Oh dude, this is the perfect fucking segment. This is the perfect segment. I have something to say because I thought during your story that you were going to recount being at the classic Fugazi photo show where he sang a song while hanging upside down in the basketball net.
00:24:19
Speaker
You know what? I don't think so. Yeah, that was like earlier 90s. I don't remember exactly. Yeah, yeah, I know that. But I'll tell you, this scene was the same. It was in a fucking scene. Yeah, totally, totally. And like, yo, you could not have brought up another band that I was fucking rambling on to Connor about yesterday because I woke up with a song from the argument stuck in my head. Oh, that's so funny. No, maybe that's the one. Argument? Oh, yeah, dude.
00:24:46
Speaker
I will say that is, in my opinion, my favorite and the best Fugazi record. Banger from end to end. If you haven't revisited it, you should.
00:25:05
Speaker
I guess I'll spin it up because I feel like I couldn't get into it. I thought minor threat was so superior. I mean, they're both amazing. I mean, that's the thing is I'm more into minor threat and more into that earlier stuff. And Fugazi, I think because of minor threat, I kind of turned up minor threat. Right, yeah. So, okay, I'm going to give you my rundown. I'm like, what is there to give you my art music? This is my rundown of Fugazi.
00:25:31
Speaker
take look back and laugh from minor threat and combine it with yeah combine it with end on end from rights of spring and that is sugasi yeah yeah i mean i think that's pretty yeah like all three bands are
00:25:46
Speaker
And I think when people were trying to get me into Fugazi, I was just a little too... I was like, too young. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. It was like the youth crew guy. I was like... Well, like the alt rock station that I grew up, listening to 99X in Atlanta, which is relaunched recently,
00:26:04
Speaker
They would play Waiting Room on occasion. They had a show called The House of Retro Pleasure where they played like New Wave and punk and like 80s shit. And they would, like the host would play Waiting Room here and there. And like being a 13 year old during that, I had no idea who it was. I had no idea how to find that record, but it made an impact on me. And then like,
00:26:29
Speaker
you know late high school the argument comes out i can buy that shit a hot topic i did and i listened to that like yeah all the time and the furniture seven inch also wait how old did you say you are i'll be 40 in uh on the 13th
00:26:46
Speaker
You're only four years younger than me. That's so cool. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I grew up in the middle of fucking nowhere. Um, so that had a, you know, that had some impact on it. Also being like, being in the note, you know, middle of nowhere in New England versus being in the middle of nowhere in the South is two completely different realms of reality. Like, I don't know if this is civilized. You've never been to Hope Valley, Rhode Island. I mean, I haven't, but okay. So how far is that from Boston?
00:27:17
Speaker
Uh, it's about two and a half hours. Okay. Okay. So that's like, that's kind of synonymous. That's appreciable. Yeah, I think it is. I mean, I grew up in like, like the last place that you would expect that I gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. So we, we are kind of synonymous. Yeah. I don't know, man. Like I wasn't really allowed to go to Atlanta, which is where like every band played that I wanted to see until I was like almost 18.
00:27:47
Speaker
so you know like it was just it was a different thing i feel like i feel like i know plenty of people from new england like various parts that could like travel three hours or two hours to boston because it was just like that's the that's the
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, I listen to a podcast called listening to Fletcher C. Johnson, who is a friend of a friend. And like, I love one of his old bands. And he talks about growing up in, you know, bump up from Vermont. And like, when he got a car, he could finally go to Boston and like got involved in the punk scene in the 90s. And it's like, I kind of have that but not really. Yeah.
00:28:28
Speaker
That's kind of the strength. Totally. Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to make that totally about me. But you mentioned things. Never. And you made me realize we got to talk music way more than we have. So I'm going to change that. Well, listen, this is important. You did say the B word.
00:28:51
Speaker
Uh, boy, I said the B word and it really feels like that time Matt and I had been talking about this. Oh, it's crazy. It feels like everything old is new again. Again, again. Yeah. Yeah. There's no one to watch this drive.
00:29:16
Speaker
Who's going to say what? No, exactly. Now watch this drive. Amazing. Amazing. Like, cause I show that clip to young people sometimes and they're like. Yeah. Real life. That's the president. That's the quote decider guy. I mean, frigging gentlemen compared to. Right.
00:29:42
Speaker
No, seriously. Elegant. Elegant. Elegant evil. Dick Cheney compared to Donald Trump. Yeah. Dick Cheney is an elder statesman. Yeah. And an old hand. Yeah.
00:29:56
Speaker
Emperor Palpatine. There's no Carmen in this world. Let's be honest here, Kissinger's still fucking alive? He's going around nutting chains. How is he still alive? Kissinger and Cheney are going to be the two oldest living human beings ever recorded solely because of their evil. It blows that meme with the fucking, you know,
00:30:27
Speaker
And I think it's going to be like that Twilight Zone episode and Chini's going to trip and his glasses are going to fall off and Kissinger's going to step on him. So you know what's interesting about Dick Chini? He says Chini.
00:30:45
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. Yes. That is the way that they pronounce it. Dick and Cheney. Yeah. Well, he and his daughter can go fuck themselves. I don't give a shit. I was going to say, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Yeah. Dude, so Peter, linking this back to hardcore and punk, and we discussed a lot about your
00:31:09
Speaker
You're kind of growing up on the first episode we did with you over a year ago, which is wild. So me personally, I was...
00:31:22
Speaker
Not really. If it comes to it, it will. But I don't know. You and I, obviously, were kind of like overlapping time periods. And I remember a lot of very adamant anti-Iraq war, hardcore punk.
00:31:40
Speaker
in the like 2003 to five range particularly george w bush international terrorist like the only time my dad ever yelled at me only time he ever yelled at me i wrote on my jeans they must have been levi's 550s or something and i wrote with sharpie george w bush equals international terrorist which i
00:32:04
Speaker
Like, yes, correct. That's hilarious. I was 12. I understood that. But he kicked me out of the car. He drove a Volvo.
00:32:15
Speaker
He drove a Volvo. My dad worked at the Heritage Foundation, so you know he couldn't. He kicked me out of his car. He was like, this is a disgrace to America. How dare you? How dare you? He had this amazing t-shirt that was all of the counties that Bush won in 2004. It said, Bush Country. And it was the whole map.
00:32:44
Speaker
wow yeah so it's like we haven't healed from that yeah yeah i like i wasn't super politically active like i you know i was friends with and like around this like radical music i didn't really know what it meant at the time um in the past like
00:33:04
Speaker
The past, I mean, let's be real, reality is pissing on satire every fucking day of the week. But the last month in particular, the last month in particular, I have picked up on echoes that I kind of internalized back then. And I'm kind of like, I thought about this earlier. Like I just want to know kind of like,
00:33:31
Speaker
how you're feeling at this point, just kind of like living this shit and being like an actual adult then and now. Oh God, I don't know. Yeah, it's crazy. I don't know. I feel like now it's even way more insane. Yeah. Yes. To think about in comparison to that. Right. Right. Right now it's.
00:33:53
Speaker
Well, I mean, we're, we're all so much more connected too, that it just like, it gets amplified so much more. The flow of information is so fast and like the 24 hour megacycle is really true, it never ends. So yeah, I think that, that's certainly true when I was, you know, in 2001, there, you weren't really in the same way to the 2012 cycle. You didn't have a thing in your, at all times where you could just look up the news in a second and you, and you
00:34:25
Speaker
Every country on earth, every violent act that has transpired. You didn't know that. It was different. It's seemingly naive and uninformed world back then. Maybe to our benefit. Right, right. Dude.
00:34:45
Speaker
I mean, that whole thing started in the 90s with the first Iraq War, like watching a missile go down a fucking tunnel, like live in primetime. Yeah, and that thing of like where it's like as an American, it really is this kind of like very abstract thing where you're very definitely watching the show
00:35:13
Speaker
Between entertainment and yeah, yeah exactly and you've got in you guys that you know about it You're in it, but it's like it's not really real in your right, right? But who is that? Who is that? It's rigid the machine Yes It's the battleground. It's the battleground. It's my life Like yeah, I do not nail myself to a cross often. Yeah, but
00:35:43
Speaker
Hark. I have been in the Baltimore city school system for about a decade now. And, uh, dude, I was talking to this teacher. She has been teaching for 27 years. She's from Baltimore. She agrees with me. It's the worst it's ever been. Oh boy. Yeah. It's the worst it's ever been. And next year is going to be worse. Yeah. I've gotten coded five times. Yeah.
00:36:13
Speaker
You know, so it's like, we're not spinning our wheels here. Right. But there's no like, at least fucking Colin Powell had something.
Economic and Educational Challenges in the U.S.
00:36:26
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Condoleezza Rice had something. Now there is nothing. There's just ghouls. Yeah. I mean, it's just a widening gap of like, you know.
00:36:36
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the have-and-have-nots and then the world. What that produces. I say this often. Yielded age, like wealth, and in the same world as, you know, the fucking, I don't mean this. Living abject poverty and like, you know,
00:37:03
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crazy conditions. We got money for war, but I just want to show you. It's the thing, and it gets more insane every year, in my opinion. I was talking to a friend earlier, and her parents are like boomers. Her dad was a cop, like an NYPD cop.
00:37:25
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And, you know, like it was so easy for them to get through life because everything was so fucking cheap and now everything they bought. It's crazy because it's still this world where there's like all these people who totally are living in that world you're describing. Yeah, totally. But there's a large
00:37:49
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people that are very much not living in that world. So, like, I watch it and I'm like, okay, the economy is, like, doing well. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I've got myself, and I'm like, I'm doing okay. And there's people coming into the tattoo shop, and they have no problem spending these sort of, like, in my mind, sort of outreach amounts of money. Right, yeah. And then, at the same time, I'm like, but there's some people out here that are not doing
00:38:19
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but they're very much living that network. So. Boys. My boys. Yeah. My students, my little, little boys, my little boy named. Yeah. He doesn't know the letter B. And so where do you go from there? And what grade is this? Kinder.
00:38:46
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kindergarten. Okay, so it's not so we are yet this is important. We are not yet. Beyond. Right. Yeah. Beyond where he and learn be. Right. We're not plenty of time. But it's like it's soon to be. Here's the thing. Here's the thing is in this world. Now, here's the other wildcard. Is you've got this. I was just reading some article or is like the amount of
00:39:15
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homeschooled kids is in the United States like insane amount, right? And like charter schools and that sort of thing. And like a friend of ours is describing this charter school that we were like basically trying to get our kids into for the last couple of years. And then she's taught us that kids that come out of that school when they get to the high school are like very much behind and totally unprepared for the high school. Like Jesus.
00:39:44
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Thank God we didn't get into that. Right, yeah. No, it's a morass, dude. It's really like. In that public school. Right, right. Do we have states trying? The thing is, we've been here in one of the top four public schools in Rhode Island. Yeah. Which is just this insane real estate market to even buy the smallest piece of property in this area. Yeah.
00:40:13
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Yeah. Yeah. As suburban as you would care to imagine. Consider a suburban dad. That's the episode title. As suburban as you'd care to imagine. Yeah. They all know the letter B out here, but at what cost?
00:40:31
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Yeah, I look at this situation and it's like, yo, these same motherfuckers that are pushing for school vouchers to schools like you just described have been constantly defunding public education to, you know, ram it down where it is because they love this privatization bullshit. Yeah, I mean, it's what I mean. My dad, not to talk about my dad. Yeah, fuck you heritage foundation.
00:41:00
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Well, my dad worked at the Department of Education as a conservative, as a neocon. He worked at the Department of Education. His whole mission was to destroy the Department of Education. Right. And so he did it. You made one mistake. Right. Okay, Connor, I don't want to put you on the spot and we'll cut this out if it doesn't work.
00:41:28
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Do it. Would you like to make your announcement now? This seems kind of perfect. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no. And so I'm Connor Nunez. That's why. What is that? From my grandmother. Okay. From my grandmother. My father's mother, Sylvia Nunez, came from Honduras. Yeah. Okay. And so I take that name because I wish we lived in a matriarchy.
Cultural Heritage and Social Commentary
00:41:50
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Yeah, right.
00:41:52
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see how did i know that i knew you were like latino i'm incognino latino as i lost this one it's kind of flattering like louis ck is that well louis ck louis ck is also incognino latino he's mexican oh god that doesn't make him sister-in-law that doesn't make him sucking less
00:42:20
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Yeah, we did not endorse Louis C.K. on this program. I saw a picture of you with your dad and I was shocked that you said he was conservative because I was like, oh, that's like a guy from like Honduras.
00:42:33
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And what's fucked up is he went to see the clash live in London. My dad is You know making a citizen's around yeah He's understand Unbelievable how does that is the poster child from the you'll get more conservative as you get older trip Yeah, yeah, it's just unbelievable yeah So Peter so
00:43:03
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I was gonna say you've got a couple of kids as we mentioned earlier um do you guys go out all out for Halloween like how was that this year if you do if not we can just totally it's a big holiday boy yeah I'm not really a big Halloween person myself they went to like Jamestown which is like
00:43:28
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Rhode Island. Well, probably not. We have a small estate. But Jamestown is like an island in Rhode Island, one of the middle harbor islands of Rhode Island. How old are the kids? Like five and seven? Six and nine. And so Jamestown is like the preppy. I don't know, man.
00:43:47
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I live in North Kingstown, and the proper little village downtown was on Muffy Aldrich, Saltwater, New England. It was one of the top 10 or 20 New England preppy towns. But Jamestown is kind of a step up from that. Oh, wow. All right. Jamestown is crazy.
00:44:12
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It's like, uh, it's just like, cause Newport is like the yachting sailing capital of the world. So in the sum, like right now, if you looked at the harbor between Jamestown and Newport, it's like relatively, I would say empty. You'll see like some fishing boats. You'll see like a cruise ship here or there. There's some like little yachts and boats like at the marinas and stuff, but in the summer.
00:44:38
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It defies logic, the amount of water crafts that are on the bay at any given moment. It would be like, how can there be this many sailboats sailing at what time on the same wind in this little area? It seems impossible, but it's amazing. And so, yeah, Jamestown is kind of the quiet town side of the bay. You've been to Annapolis?
00:45:06
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I've been to Minneapolis. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm from. Basically. Yeah. I mean, it's, it sounds equivalent a little in a way. Like, like, yeah, it's, it's important. It's crazy. Like I, like, I lived in Rhode Island my whole life and until I worked in Newport and saw like a summer that she never understood like why it's like the sailing capital, like, like, you know, like Helly Hanson. Yeah.
00:45:33
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They have a store in Newport. And I think that that store I've heard sells the most like HeliHands in like in the world. Well, there's a HeliHands in Annapolis too. Oh, really? Like it's like I've never seen anything like it. Like you walk around Newport on like a rainy day and like everybody is in a HeliHands. Yeah. Everybody has their like parka with like reflective shit on it. Like white vest with like their reflectors on it.
00:46:00
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It's crazy. That's serious. You know, I never thought we would talk about Hallie Hanson on the pod, but here we are. But some of that shit's cool. When you had a, what's his name, Patrick on it, he mentioned it as well. Yeah, no, no, no. He's kind of made this in Hallie Hanson. He's kind of, because it's for me. He was. He's a sneak disser. Yeah, he is a sneak disser for sure. Probably where he's from, so he's like, I don't know, it's kind of work. Yeah. But I don't know. He's going to take a trip to Newport. Hallie Hanson's like,
00:46:31
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I have never been to New England. Well because I feel like that's like less
00:46:48
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authentic more. But I feel like it is more authentic. No, I'm not saying it's inauthentic. It's just more. Yeah, wearing it. I feel like it's Heli Hansen is closer to Nike. It kind of but then Barlin. It is. I don't know, man. I feel like nobody knows who Heli Hansen is.
00:47:15
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I feel like it's like you're either an actual sailing person, you're somebody who's into prep stuff, or you're like some like ultra, like beyond like a guy who's into polo sport, like some other level of like, you know, like hype beast that like. Yeah. Cause those are the only people I've ever seen where like, it's like very few environments. My siblings have it. My siblings have it because it's like rare, you know? But you're also saying you're from, are they also in Annapolis?
00:47:45
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Yeah, they live in a place where people actually say it. Yeah. Cause you've been Ohio in a fucking hell of a handsome. You might see somebody in no barber jacket. I feel like more likely in someplace else, but that's like, that's a deep cut. Do you know, let me ask you quickly. Do you know Mr. All? No, what's that? No, no. It's a outdoor brand head. Mr. All.
00:48:15
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I don't think so. They did weird stuff. I mean. What is that? An Italian man? Well, so Howard Head was a Baltimore guy and he invented a certain type of tennis. Yeah. Yeah. And so he made a huge fortune off of that. But in any event, the
00:48:37
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the patriarch of my family, like my step dad's dad, was, he called it the rag trade. He did the rag trade in Mistral. And it was his idea to paint the skis really bright colors. Oh, holy shit! Oh, whoa, like ski Mistral, okay, yeah. So that they would chip off so that the rich people would buy new ones. Oh, wow, that's crazy.
00:49:06
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true stroke of genius. Yeah. Think about sports gear. Yeah. That's how it is. And this is apparently Alexander Schuster's creation.
00:49:17
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what to not, to made not to last. Basically, yeah, no, to make it bright and colorful and like, shippy. I mean, it was also like, that was a very particular time period. Like, I, you know, I made some vintage sports wear, but like, that was very much a like, 80s and 90s creation. And by, I think the turn of the century, it had kind of like faded, you know.
00:49:44
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Like, that is the- With the bright colors? Yeah, well, the bright colors and the like, like, you know, things, of course things got like better and better quality wise. And so like, I, you know, it seems like that was definitely a thing at the beginning, but you know, by the time that the three of us were like burgeoning adults, like that wasn't really the trend anymore.
00:50:11
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, it became oversaturated. Oh, totally, totally. Like that, the super big silhouettes and the really like 90s, like flashy shit. Like that was too much, too much, too much. Absolutely too much. So what did you think about?
00:50:32
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Candy, Peter. This is a key question. Yeah. Because it comes and goes and everyone like people on Reddit were like, ah, I bought five pounds of candy and I didn't get any trick or treaters. You know, it's so weird. I think people go trick or treating. Yeah. It's like so when far between the people I know that have actual trick or treaters, but you have to be in some like vetted, like,
00:50:59
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concentrated neighborhood. I was carefully placing razor blades into each of her feet. I lived with my parents. You know what? I don't think in my life I've ever handed out trick-or-treaters. Yeah, same here. Same here. In all 44 years? I think I've never been on the giving end. And I've always, like, any place I've lived I've bought candy who you've never had trick-or-treaters.
00:51:24
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Like where I live now, it's kind of like, it's a little, it's like slightly too rural to like, you know, there's like a development next to our house, but we really live in the middle of like two fries, you know, it's like kind of like.
00:51:40
Speaker
I didn't grow up with traditional Halloween. Like, we had a fall festival at our church that, like, I would get some candy with. And then... Did you grow up, like, really? Yeah, I grew up Southern Madness, which is... Oh, wow. Like, Bill Hicks has a great bit about, you know, being...
00:51:59
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Now we're peeling back the layers on your feelings. This is therapy this week. Welcome to Apocalypse Duds, Matt Smith trauma. So I don't know why.
00:52:14
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Yeah, so I've told a few people this the past couple of weeks around Halloween because again, I don't give a fuck about holidays. I've never handed out candy either. So we would do the fall festival thing. And I remember dressing up as one of the Ninja Turtles at one point.
00:52:33
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Like, you know, but by the age of like 10, I was just like, oh, this is dumb. So, so I got the wonderful privilege of seeing what is called Judgment Night.
00:52:48
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and not nearly as cool as the movie or the movie soundtrack oh it's great it's great and the soundtrack fucking rules for the most part there's some there's some losers on it legendary the biohazard
00:53:06
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get married. Biohazard and onyx together is just chef's kiss. Okay so judgment night for me was put on by a church and it has various traumatizing scenes like
00:53:20
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Like two teenagers that went drunk driving and they crashed and killed themselves. This teenage girl that had an abortion and they had to show the fetus or whatever. The most insane teenager. I think we know why you don't like holidays.
00:53:46
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I'm driving out of town the other day and I see on the like town marquee judgment night at whatever the fuck church and I was like that's still going on. Holy shit. Dude, dude, what the fuck? You should have crashed judgment night. I wore a Halloween costume. I'm pretty sure and this is like why I don't wear Halloween costume because like
00:54:10
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The world is too unstable to be out somewhere dressed. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Like unprepared, right? So I went to a Halloween party and it was like a bunch of people we knew, like a pretty like small thing, like private kind of event. But we were coming from Boston, so we arrived kind of late and it's me and my friend Ken who were dressed like Vincent and Jules from
00:54:36
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Pulp Fiction but not like the black suit kind of it's like that after they got like cleaned up at Quentin Tarantino's house so I'm like in like a blue t-shirt with like a
00:54:47
Speaker
There's a crazy cat and the mouse slick on it. And he's got a banana slugs t-shirt and the bathing suit shorts. But I still have the mustache and the cherry curl wig. And he's got a ponytail wig on. And we get to this party and we're like, bullshit for a couple. I don't know how long. But a fight breaks out. And it's people I know.
00:55:12
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There's like groups of people I know fighting with each other. So I'm like, fuck, like they shouldn't fight either. And I'm kind of getting in the middle of this moment where I think, I don't want to get knocked out wearing a fake fucking mustache. I'm never going in public wearing a costume again. And by the time that time, the fight had kind of dispersed over the situation.
00:55:40
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I remember just the distinct moment. There's like all this violence about to occur. And I was like, I want to get knocked out wearing a fucking fake mustache. Oh, no, dude. It's dreadful. I can't imagine. But yeah, I would have knocked someone to help. Yeah. I was kicked out of school in the fourth grade. I was James Bond. OK.
00:56:09
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and i had a martini glass and they fucking kicked me out of school like this kid's fucking least yeah they were like this kid clearly an alcoholic he's got an empty drink here
00:56:40
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out of 80s and you have to use that, not Roger Moore. No, Piers Brosnan. Oh, Piers Brosnan. I grew up with like the lamest one of Allegedly. Which is, isn't that Roger Moore? No. Who's the one before Piers Brosnan? License to Kill.
00:56:45
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they kicked me
00:57:02
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What is that one? Why is it a kill? It's Roger Moore, isn't it? Is it? That's the one I grew up with. And I was like, I was like... And Moore is a bore. No, this movie is not very good. Yeah, but there's so much like, he is a tool of the fucking imperialist. He is a fucking like, anyway, I was nine. They wouldn't let me hold my little glass.
00:57:29
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They were not interested in that at all. Just bear it. She wanted to fuck you up. You wouldn't turn in one of your kids for a martini. Doug, if I said to one of my administrators, like, uh... This kid's got a martini glass? I'd turn those into a martini glass in our classroom.
00:57:54
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No, absolutely not. I mean, like, how would they know what a martini glass is, even? Yeah. Really? That's hilarious. Chicken, that's weird. You really think kids in your class don't know what a martini glass is? I would bet you, and this is what when I say, so like, okay, there's an easy way to say that.
00:58:20
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Yeah, there's an easy way to joke. Your illustration somewhere. Yeah. Well, so there's an easy way to joke with children. Yeah. Right. You are familiar with this as a child haver. You say the opposite. Like, oh, I like your Superman costume and it's a Batman costume and the kid is like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:47
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yeah yeah right the kids don't get it yeah i was like yo sick spider-man costume and the kids are like but isn't that just being in kindergarten they're like kind of like what kind of being in kindergarten kind of uh i feel like kids in kindergarten are kind of like in outer space though they're like just coming in from
00:59:16
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There's, there's free in the galaxy. Yeah. Oh yeah. They're like, cause my son, he's like nine and I'm just like seeing them like, Oh wow. He's like becoming like a person who's like in reality. It's such a distinct difference from him. Like even like last summer is like grasp the tangible world. You know, it's crazy.
00:59:45
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And yeah, kids in kindergarten, it's just like, they're in outer space. I think the world is just barely coming into focus. They're golden retriever puppies. They're golden retriever puppies. They know that they're on this planet. They have no idea what they're doing at all.
01:00:08
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They need to know how to read.
Challenges in Education and American Identity
01:00:11
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Oh, that's crazy, though, I feel like. But you think kindergarten kids should know how to read? Oh, my God, buddy, you should know. Dude, my kids did not know my kids did not know how to read a three. It's hard. These kids, these kids are in fucking we live in Whiteyville. These kids don't know if I can read it. They I mean, my son, my son is in third grade now.
01:00:38
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And it was at the end of second grade that he, he went from like, we were like, is this going to be okay? So like, he just like reads like chapter books now in like six months. It was like one day he was like, Oh, I can read now. But it was like we, when he was in kindergarten, there was no hope of him reading nothing. And that was during like COVID. You read with them though. We do read with them. You read with them, don't you?
01:01:07
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the key. That is the fucking key. Yeah, that's kind of the truth. What do you read? What do you read? Tell me please. What do I read? What do you read with your boy? What do I read with him? I mean, what is he into right now?
01:01:27
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Yeah. He's like a, you know, he's like a 70 year old, nine year old. So he's very taken with World War II. Nice. Anything kind of to do with that. He reads this. He's books like he's reading like. What is it? Cold War Correspondent is a book he goes back to a lot. All right. All right. What was what was Pearl Harbor?
01:01:54
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Um, what there's a movie from like, that's from like the, it must be from like the sixties. I would imagine cause Sean Connery is in it and he's like one of the major characters and he's really young. It's called a bridge. Yeah. Say no more bridge too far. Like.
01:02:17
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like if yeah that's more or less the main thing that's like i'll watch cartoons and stuff in between the cleanser palette but it's kind of just like that's fucking rich for him he'll turn into such a freak he'll become such a freak like very like neurodivergently like cross sections of tanks oh yeah he'll tell you everything about every kind of thing yeah war or when this i got a couple
01:02:45
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Here's a weird moment. I was just like at work, like kind of just like looking at the internet and I saw a Saddam Hussein, uh, like desert storm trading card. And I was like, that's so crazy. That thing that, oh, and I bought a, yeah, I have a deck right here.
01:03:04
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I just bought a piece of sealed packs of Desert Storm trading cards. I have a deck right here. Oh my god, you got us out of me. Oh no, that's a playing card. These are baseball cards.
01:03:24
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Yeah, this is. Oh my God. Beastball cards. Oh my God. Oh my God. My God. Nothing has, it's scary. Sadly enough, nothing is captured from the child's imagination. I've never had, we've never had like a behavior modifier like this, like anything where we're like, Hey, you like do this and you're good. Like you can have this, these are just like,
01:03:53
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I don't want to be good at that. Yeah. You know, like you can fucking keep that. The death storm trading cards, my friend. You pop out a pack of these bad boys, dude. He sees an airplane on there. Jesus. It's over. Oh my God. What do we got here? Yeah, C14.
01:04:10
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C. one four one beast. The sheer amount of marketing around Desert Storm is unlike anything I can think of before or since. Like. You do the best. It's like Chris is like a dude like this. Admiral Frank kills him.
01:04:33
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He drives the aircraft carrier. They're so fucking good, dude. Holy shit. They're great. Yeah, like, because I haven't opened these playing cards. Oh, they're going to be great. They're going to be great. They're going to be great. There were playing cards. There were t-shirts. There were hats. There were sports cards. Unbelievable, baby. The face of spades, baby. That's what I'm digging through here for. I just want to set on this scene so bad.
01:05:00
Speaker
Saudi Arabia. A lot of these guys, a lot of these guys don't have. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But Saddam is the ace of spades. What a time to be alive. What a time. Yo, it was just the biggest commercial war of all time. Like, even 9-11 shit can't top the insanity that Desert Storm brought.
01:05:38
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I'm not even talking, I'm not even talking about the things that, that, you know, I'm not talking about like, there wasn't even like, I don't think at first go for there was like the political
01:05:49
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pushback. Oh, definitely not. Definitely not. I'm just saying from a sheer merchandising perspective, that's the craziest shit I've ever seen. I mean, the fact that you can... Go ahead. You can readily come by these cases of cards. It's insane. It's testament to the sheer amount that we're producing. It's just fucking insane.
01:06:18
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Well, cause Charles McFarland talks about this kind of stuff. Yeah. Like war ephemera. Shout out combat threats. Yeah. And I just think like it is what we are. It is what we are, but we don't have to be that way. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever seen that, that early Michael Moore movie, the big one? Yes.
01:06:45
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It's like, it's that, that is like the most like, uh, I feel like that's, that's like the most damning. Yeah. It is just in that one scene, in that one line where it just like describes the United States so perfectly. He's like, we're the big one. He's like, that's, and we never really kind of get past that as a country. We're like, yeah, where did they go?
01:07:10
Speaker
No, dude, and like Michael Moore, I remember seeing, I remember seeing Fahrenheit 9-11 in movie theaters. Yeah. My friend Liam, my best friend Liam and I went to go see this movie. Are we gonna eat this episode? Is this just through you? No, dude, I think people are gonna be like, oh, we always knew. Yeah, I mean, I will say that like me personally, when I talk about shit on Instagram, because that's my biggest platform, and us as a show,
01:07:38
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we get so many good like great feedback for people that are like oh yeah like the the shit that you're talking about is so relevant and nobody else you know in this realm is doing that and like you know it's like i don't know it's just there's
01:08:01
Speaker
there's such crossover there's such uh we didn't have nostalgia for the 2000s like yeah yeah because time we're good and we love george bush and we love god and we love guns and we love much time is a goddamn flat circle and the past the past month has shown me this like this is post 9 11 more than anything more than anything like because i've been
01:08:29
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I've been bouncing up and down, you know, like everybody knows I'm a guy. My mind is somewhere, but like up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down. And it's like, do I just stay in this? Like, you know, in a video game, there's like a thing trapped, right? I'm making it on the.
01:08:59
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That's my energy.
01:09:17
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work. And within this stupid fucking system, we find things that bring us joy like music, like clothing, like film, not my personal, because I have shitty taste in movies.
01:09:34
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uh you know like like the whole purpose of the show is to have these discussions and like find common ground yeah because right apocalypse duds you're saying like clothing that you're gonna wear at the end of the world
01:09:52
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Yes, baby. Exactly. Yes, baby. And that's exactly it. We just, I am not so clever to get it out in the first fuck, you know? Like, I, that line, where will you be when the dollar dies? That's a long shot over from my work as a copywriter, but like, it goes still. Right. Yeah. So, Peter, let's,
01:10:20
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I mean the crazy thing is though is like here's the problem is like as a human being you know we have this like inherent sort of like narcissism about our place in time and in like the universe and like all this like greater shit you know like there was guys in you know ancient rules
01:10:40
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ancient Mesopotamia, they were like, fucking Christ, shit's never been... I guess they didn't say Christ. Shit's never been this bad. How could this be happening? These kids can't say the letter B in the field, you know? And then here we fucking are. You know that how many times, you know, not that I'm some like blind optimist, certainly not, but like, you know, it's like, it's the, it's the, it's the very human short view of time that makes us say,
01:11:10
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what a time to be alive and in this moment we're you know we're at the tipping point of like humanity and you know we very much are but at the same time well you know you know like i we are
01:11:26
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I consider myself three things. I consider myself. Like, I think it's a very arrogant, very incredibly human feeling to say, I'll be present at the end. Right, right. Totally, totally. You know, and like,
01:11:45
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In your, in the moment that we exist, I mean, how, I mean, yeah, how it, it's a very arrogant stuff. You have to. At the time I exist, there were dinosaurs. There was fucking mud. Right. Primordial mud. The primordial stew. But the period of time that Connor Fowler, Matt Smith, and Peter Toltley are on the earth, we've got to fucking watch.
01:12:13
Speaker
It's all going to go down right now. We'll see it. It's hard for me to, you know, my grandmother, not my great grandmother, lived to be over 100 years old. And she told me that she could remember in the town where I was born, where I went to elementary school, Bedford, her grandmother,
01:12:40
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getting on a horse drawn carriage and she was a very heavy set woman and how the carriage would rock back and forth when she was getting on. My grandmother could remember that. My grandmother voted for Barack Obama. So can you imagine the despairing thoughts that fucking human beings had in that lifetime? Can you imagine her not thinking at some point the world will end while I'm on the Earth?
01:13:06
Speaker
No. Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, son of a bitch. God damn it. That was it, man. That is the best thing. Brighten your day and darken your doors. That is the best thing that will ever be said on this show from now to infinity. Yeah, that was a real one.
01:13:33
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I don't know how to close it anyway. I'm happy to call you a friend of the pod, my bud.
01:13:55
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This has been fucking fantastic. I have a way to close. Once again, I feel like we never discussed clothes. I never told you what I'm wearing. I'm wearing the Brooks Brothers. You did! You said your Shetland sweater. We got a college-shaped shirt, Brooks Brothers vintage. We got the Harley of Scotland Shetland cardigan. We got Orvis, olive green corduroy trousers. I got the
01:14:23
Speaker
The Wade socks, these are like all cotton, very chunky socks. I can't remember what the name is, but organic cotton. And I'm at Casa Mia. So I got on the Adidas size. Yeah, dog. Nice dude. You know, it's like the irony is not lost on us that we are a mostly audio only show talking about clothing, but that made it all worth it.
01:14:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Peter. Well, thank you, Jeff. Peter to round. I never told you about my soup either. I made brother Dick. Oh, okay. Yeah. I was going to ask about the. Go for it. Go for it. What is this? I'm not a serious man.
01:15:07
Speaker
that doesn't like anything that's okay what you just said sums up my you know what that kind of makes you're from the south so you know you don't have this moment like yeah right now where it turns from
01:15:32
Speaker
very abruptly from october to november and it is cold suddenly you're gonna swaddle yourself in wool yeah and there have been there have been birthdays of mine in november where it was like 85 degrees and made me want to die yeah yeah well connor's dad is so true though we're living by the circadian rhythms of the earth here i guess you gotta eat soup at certain times i guess i just i don't i i also don't like
01:16:02
Speaker
I also don't like chili. I don't like things that I eat with a spoon. I'm not super into chili. Oh, come on. Oh, my God. I don't like things I eat with a spoon.
01:16:19
Speaker
I'm Matt Smith, I don't like given things! I don't really like a thing! I like a lot of things, I'm just very particular about the things that I like.
01:16:37
Speaker
you don't say this is this is my this is my everyday life you motherfuckers i deal with this shit i deal with my dumb shit all day it's your cross your cross to bear is me being an insane person um
01:16:57
Speaker
I mean, you gotta be ready to get your... I'm also vegan, which complicates it even more. See, I feel like if I was vegan, I would be eaten like, once. Dude, there's a bit. Like all day, right? Yup. Matt has to do things the hard way. I know. I love the hard way. I love the hard way.
01:17:22
Speaker
The aesthetic way. All right. The aesthetic way. That's what it is, dude. It's got to have a hard boot on. All right. We've got to end this roast session slash mat therapy session slash the most loose episode of Apocalypse Duds ever to be recorded.
01:17:42
Speaker
We did this at 8.20 in the evening also, just to quantify that for people. Might become clear. Yeah, might become clear. Anyway, Peter, thank you for coming on. I have one last question for you. What are your top five punk and or hardcore records and or a mix of the two?
01:18:08
Speaker
Oh God, can't you just give me bands? Okay, okay, I'll give you bands. I'll give you bands. Punk or hardcore? You grew up in both. Like, cool. That's really tough. Okay, so I would say as far as punk, I would say Stiff Little Fingers is almost the only punk band. Okay. Okay, all right, all right. Like Stiff Little Fingers is the only thing I really listen to. Still, it's super punk.
01:18:37
Speaker
Every once in a while, I'll get real goofy and I'll put on like an old no effects album just because that's like, as far as hardcore, I would say like, I like, I can still listen to like comeback kid. I can listen to 10 yard fight. I can listen to, is that three? That's three. That's five. That's five total. But come on, man. I want to hear, I want to hear the rest of the hardcore. But wait.
01:19:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I don't listen to a ton of hardcore these days. I'm not holding anything. I listen to, like, folk music and shit. But that's the stuff I grew up on. And I'll tell you, in the last month, I have put on 10 years. Nice! Solid, solid. What was that? Yeah, yeah. But, like, BAME, that's kind of the stuff I grew up on. BAME Converge. Yeah, yeah. Highball. Oh, god damn it. Highball is so fucking good.
01:19:35
Speaker
Yeah, that was a band that raised the egg room. Yeah. Well, yeah, we, like, right now I listen to like, what is it? Uh, John Prine. No, dude. Yes. Yes. We, we definitely have to, that's one of my sisters. We definitely have to talk music. I listen to all this bandage music now too. I listen to a lot of like. Oh, hell yeah.
01:20:00
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Oh, very quickly. And as a truly final question, do you think what do you make of the commingling of the hardcore rap and hardcore punk? It was really into that man. No, no, no, no, no, no. Listen to Lifestyles of the Poor and Eaters. Oh, are you talking about that stuff now? Yeah. Like those like that's what did they call it? It's like a special name and like kids were all like black.
01:20:30
Speaker
Yeah. I know what you're talking about. That is not so bad. The current stuff. I'm just saying like the Big L drums. Oh, yeah. No, I love Big L. It sounds like hardcore. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's that. That's that period. Like we're like Big L onyx. Yeah. Like what is Doss effects? It's like that's a type of
01:21:00
Speaker
New York rap, right? That kind of hardcore rap. Yeah, the heavy hardcore. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no, there's a crossover. I guess that is what it is. I mean, we mentioned the Judgement Night soundtrack, which is literally mostly that. It is literally that kind of crossover. Yeah, you know what that, what it always makes me kind of like,
01:21:21
Speaker
and like nervous and be like, I like that. So I can remember when I was like in high school, it was like, it must've been like the summer after I graduated from high school, maybe. So I was going to go to college and I remember I was watching 120 minutes, I think on MTV.
01:21:41
Speaker
This video came on and it was like corn. And I was like, I'd never heard of this band before. And it was like this black and white video. It's like in a club. It looks like a hardcore show. There was no music for like the first 20 seconds of the video. And I was like, is this about to be the greatest band of all time? And then I started playing and I was like, oh my God.
01:22:02
Speaker
I think I don't like this music anymore. If this is where we're going, if this is where we're fucking going, I'm getting off. Yeah, I feel it. That was a weird time. Yeah, those are terrible. Yeah, terrible for the most part. Even a lot of the shit that I liked in the late 90s and early 2000s really did not age well.
01:22:27
Speaker
Korn was good. Korn was good. They had like an album that was good. They were really trendsetters. I was into such a different kind of music a bad time. I think I was still at Great Edge then.
01:22:44
Speaker
Yeah. I was into punk and hardcore and I like was straight edge from 15. And like, when Lincoln park really hit, I tried to make myself like it for like two months. And then I was just like, this is terrible. Like I'll just go listen to, this is terrible. In like coming out of like, I'm coming out of like a DIY kind of scene.
01:23:13
Speaker
You know, like something that's like a heavy kind of music kind of become like this like mainstream thing. Oh, I'm definitely not part of that. That's not what I mean. So Peter, Peter, were you still into hardcore in like 2004?
01:23:35
Speaker
I know. I kind of wasn't. By 2004, I was more into any stuff. Because 2004, you're talking about the strokes and the scrapes. I think the shows are your and mine. There's a four-year difference in age, but there's
01:23:55
Speaker
Like some overlap, but I was a part of a completely different scene in a lot of ways. So in 2004, one of my favorite bands, hardcore bands, No Warning, who, Ill Blood, Canadian hardcore, just mean as hell, they made a record that was like, they got signed to a major label and they wanted to be in Lincoln Park.
01:24:22
Speaker
The, like, in a nostalgia factor now, like some of it's fine. There were people that liked it at the point, or at that point in time. But a lot of the hardcore scene was just like, the fuck is this shit for the exact reasons you just listed? Yeah. It was just so weird.
Punk Rock's Evolution: Authentic or Commercial?
01:24:41
Speaker
Yeah, it kind of, I mean, it's like kind of the same thing with like punk rock. It's like, at a point, it's like, is it even punk rock anymore? You know, it's like, it was, you know, it did,
01:24:52
Speaker
Are people right when they say, you know, punk rock didn't make it out of like the seventies? No, I don't. So I don't think so. I mean, I know I listen because once you put that on it, you that's when you hit the point of commercializing it. It's part of like capitalism. You're making money off it. Is it the same? Yeah, I I've listened. But like by the time like where I'm listening to it, I'm kind of like
01:25:22
Speaker
You know, it's like a, it's like a commodified like personality type that you can be, that you can buy. But I'll put it to you and both honor and myself, like when you heard minor threat for the first time or when one of us did, it was still as dangerous as it was in its time. Yeah. But here's the difference is when I heard minor threat for the first time was the first probably
01:25:53
Speaker
You could buy, here's how I think about it. When punk rock was punk rock, right, people that wanted to wear bondage pants, I would assume were sewing them inside. Right, right, yeah, okay, yeah, I'd say where you're coming. By the time I was into punk rock, you could buy bondage pants, you could take a bus to New York, and you could go to St. Mark's, and there was a store, I can't remember what it's called, you could buy bondage pants there, or you could go to Boston to this place, Hubba Hubba, and you could buy bondage pants there.
01:26:24
Speaker
By the time I graduated from high school, when corn's coming out, you could go to Hot Topic at the moment by button. So does that tell us everything you know? I think so. I must say, through fashion, at the evolution of what is and what is, perhaps. Yeah. I've been thinking a lot on punk like this week. So that's perfect for this. Through fashion, you can see the evolution of, is it punk rock? It's like a ship of theses.
01:26:54
Speaker
situation.
Wrapping Up: Fashion, Feedback, and Engagement
01:26:57
Speaker
This has been great. Thank you for coming on again and taking time away. My pleasure, gentlemen. Anytime. Peter's going to be a returning guest, I'm sure. We salute the best dressed dad on the internet.
01:27:14
Speaker
Hey, cheers. Suburban Dad, Threadbare and Rumpold out here. Yeah, that takes care of your shot. Threadbare and Rumpold, hashtag Suburban Dad. Yeah, cool. Thank you again, Peter. If you like what you heard.
01:27:33
Speaker
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01:28:03
Speaker
Whoever you are, whoever you are out there, thank you. Because we did change our equipment and it does sound better now. Are you more right? So thank you. Yeah, and also thank you for changing your fucking review because that man on the sea of trolls on the internet, or sorry, in a sea of trolls. Yeah, seriously. That's great. That is a good person. That is a truly good person.
01:28:34
Speaker
Well, thank you for listening to the actual end of our rambling. We appreciate you. And if you'd like to send us an email, which would be sick, apocalypsestuds.gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram, at apocalypsestuds. I am Matt Smith at rebelsrogues. And I'm Connor Nunez.
01:29:01
Speaker
at real Connor Nunez. We all have enough bandwidth to go into the rest of that real talk. But yeah, thanks again for listening. Check back next week. We'll see you then. Cheers.