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S1E8 - The One Where Nana Dies Twice
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:07
Speaker
Well, hello and welcome to the latest episode of the Purple Door podcast. A friend's rewatch pod. I'm your host, Alistair, alongside my good friend, Deanne. Hello, Deanne. Hi, Al. How are you today? Yes, happy days. It's Saturday here. The weather is beautiful. It is warm. And Deanne, we haven't recorded an episode, actually, in a little while, so we're excited to get back to this.
00:00:33
Speaker
Yes, i'm I am pumped. I've got some great trivia. I'm excited. the It's a good episode. It's going to be a good time. It is. So today we're going to
Trivia on Friends Episode
00:00:43
Speaker
be reviewing season one, episode eight, the one where Nana dies twice. why don't we I know we both missed our bamboozled trivia questions. Why don't we just jump right into the questions? Because I've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
00:01:00
Speaker
We'll probably duplicate some one or two, but I came up with seven. Okay. And I have six. So I bet you are. All right. Well, I've got one more. So why don't I go first? Perfect. And what is the name of the lady who tries to set Chandler up with a guy?
00:01:18
Speaker
Oh, o and I had to go back and rewatch this at what for me. Shelly. It is Shelly. It's Shelly. Well done. Good old Shelly. Good old Shelly. She seems like a good workplace buddy to have. She does. She's just a nice person. Well intentioned. And yeah, we like Shelly. Yes. Okay. So what about Chandler makes some people think that he might be homosexual.
00:01:49
Speaker
I think the correct answer will be the quality that he has. yeah yeah which yeah I love that so much. I love the the way that word is used, his could the quality. Yes. And then later, whenever Shelley ah starts to say it and he's just like, ah. Again, right. Well, let's see, when Ross says, who does Ross say Nana is going to be with now that she has died? There's two people.
00:02:17
Speaker
Pop-pop and and Hang on That's actually one of my questions aunt Phyllis. There we go. I knew we double up on at least one pump but But not completely but not completely so I I'm not giving up that question. Well thickens. All right. Oh, yeah, it does. All right So this is a two-part question. Okay. Are you ready?
00:02:43
Speaker
Who was playing in the football game during the funeral, the grave site, and the reception? And what was the score? Oh, actually, this is three parts. OK. I've got too many questions here. I love it. No, go for it. OK. And what was the score with three minutes left in the third quarter? And who who won the game?
00:03:08
Speaker
Well, I will tell you, this is quite fun. One of my questions was, who are the two teams playing? Okay. I was
Friends Trivia Night Event
00:03:15
Speaker
having a little doubt that I'd written this down wrong. So I'm glad that you asked because first of all, I'm going to guess it's the Giants and the Cowboys. That's correct. Okay. I had that written down right, but I did not write down the score. So let's see. I feel like it was a kind of mid range score like 13 10.
00:03:38
Speaker
Very close, 17, 14. Ah, a little more. Yeah, but close. And I don't remember them saying who won, but I do remember all the men going, oh, no, em and then Jack goes down depressed, which would indicate to me the Cowboys won.
00:03:56
Speaker
That's right. That's right.
Quirky Trivia with Phoebe
00:03:58
Speaker
good and Joseph and I ah talked a lot about that questioning because he really enjoyed helping me with trivia on this one. Excellent. Yeah, you had to kind of think about where they're at because they're in New York versus here. Well, yeah know listeners will take a 10-second break from the quiz. Did you happen to see, Dan, the message I sent you on Facebook about the local friends trivia night that it's a bar in prosper in a couple of yes I did see that I sent it to Joseph excellent Kate's Kate's in you if as long
Character Details and Trivia
00:04:35
Speaker
as you're free I know you'll be it so we yeah we may go and we may see if we can promote the podcast somehow
00:04:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. We'll wear our shirts. We'll wear our shirts. And it's funny, again, sorry, listeners, we're were going off topic. I had said to Kate about going to the owner of Eastside, um which is a fantastic local beer garden, if you're ever in the Denton, Texas area, um because I know the old one of the owners, a little bit, and seeing if we could do a French trivia night. Yes. You know, how much fun would that be? That would be so much fun. Oh, man. OK. Let's talk after we've recorded, because I think that'd be a great thing.
00:05:11
Speaker
I've asked you two questions. I'm now going to give you my favorite question because it's Quirky and it's Phoebe. When talking about the afterlife, Phoebe says she has a friend named Debbie who died. Where was she when she was struck by lightning? And I could tell by the look on your face, you know.
00:05:28
Speaker
I do know good old Debbie. She was struck by lightning at a mini golf course. Exactly. A little mini golf course. yeah i Okay. and And my number six question was what happened to Phoebe's best friend from, and I wrote middle school, but they call it junior high, but same thing. Same thing. Ish. Ish. Yeah.
00:05:51
Speaker
Yes, that's just the visual of that. Okay. And so let me, whenever I was talking to Joseph about this and I asked that question to him and he's like, Oh, I don't remember. He's something about, was it a pencil factory? And then he's like, Oh wait, no mini golf. I was like, that's so weird. Why? And then I was, Oh, because that's how you keep score.
00:06:19
Speaker
the scores those tiny ta yeah because i didn't follow that train of thought at all but yeah so quirky maybe so fun now let's see a couple left here what department does Lowell work in oh man i know Brian works in a payroll yes he does does ah Lowell work in accounting or or is it receivable or uh wait no financial services i was going to give you half a point for for attempting but it is financial services well done all right what was chandler having for lunch at work when we're at the beginning whenever he's uh talking with show let's that's not something i can't because he's because he's enjoying something and fluorescent light
00:07:17
Speaker
I have no idea, a ham sandwich. but No, it's a dehydrated Japanese noodles, but it's a cup of tea. Oh, so it is. Yes, I can picture it now. Didn't catch it. That's right. god Next time. All right, I've got two left. Where were Nana and the gang in the photo of her and her friends at the end? Java Joes. Indeed. And did you know that that was one of the original names? Yes, it is. I was going to tell you that.
00:07:48
Speaker
Yeah, it was one of two names that was rejected, I believe. But we can get into that in the episode. Yes. OK,
Monica and Ross' Past
00:07:56
Speaker
how long had Aunt Phyllis been dead? God, no idea.
00:08:06
Speaker
Seven years, seven years. six Oh, this is a complete guess. All right. So close. Six years. I've got one final question for you, and this might be the trickiest. Let's see. okay When Ross climbs into the closet, we see several piles of what magazine on top of the dresser? I'll give you a hint. It's quite a just it's quite not an obvious cover, but just you'll know it. You would know if you saw the cover, even without reading the title.
00:08:39
Speaker
what magazine it is as a distinctive color. Give you a hint. Is it time? No, it's not time, but you're exactly the right track. It's National Geographic. Whoa. They all have that yellow. Yeah. Wow. I don't think you can read it, but they're all tied up with string and have that yellow.
00:08:59
Speaker
Okay. So I'll be honest. I, I watched that scene a few different times and I read some stuff about that. ah Well, whenever he's inside the closet, but, um, I remember there being shoe boxes. Like I don't even remember seeing that. So nice catch. I love that. I was, I used to subscribe to it, which is why it kind of stuck in my head. Do you have any more questions? I have me one more beautiful. So what to trade?
00:09:29
Speaker
does Chandler jokingly say, and whenever Shelley says perfect, and he's like, oh, that could be a problem. Now, had you said, and then he gives her two traits, that would be better than perfect for him. Two traits would be better. I've got absolutely no, I don't remember. But funny joke he's joking, he's joking. And it's ah one of those lines where I laughed,
00:09:59
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It made me laugh out loud. Codependent and self-destructive. Then he'd be interested. Oh, that rings a bell. Yes, which
Episode Plot and Character Interactions
00:10:08
Speaker
stands for Chandler and this frame record. Oh, okay. And it made me think about poor, poor Janice. Oh, we love Janice. Be codependent and... That's right.
00:10:22
Speaker
So I told you before we got, or before we started recording, I've not watched this episode in two weeks. I've just been busy. I was going to rewatch it this morning, but I thought, you know what, it might be fun to record the podcast without having the yeah whole episode really fresh in my mind. I've just got the notes from two weeks ago. And I think that, I think you did much better than me on trivia this week. um Next time I'm watching the episode right before me. Bringing my A game back. So do with that,
00:10:51
Speaker
OK, so let's see. Well, let's dive on into this episode. We start off in Chandler's office, like the break room. And as we talked about, Shelley's trying to set Chandler up with the guy. Good old Shelley. Yeah, it she's got some questionable fashion sense, so I got to be honest. She does. even And while I ah yes, and that's that's what I was going to say. And while we all adored some 90s fashion,
00:11:20
Speaker
That was a good choice.
00:11:26
Speaker
And I was thinking
90s Fashion and Friendship Dynamics
00:11:27
Speaker
even, I don't know, I think it's quite a bold move of her as well, just to assume he's gay. I don't know. It's, you know, I don't know if I would yeah make that assumption and then try to set anyone up.
00:11:40
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Yeah, I don't know. i think yeah would Not without asking some probing questions right first, right? like So what's normally your type? Because then that naturally opens up the conversation.
00:11:55
Speaker
so you know like And I don't think I would set somebody up with some of the opposite sex either, unless I had some background knowledge. You know, if they were a guy and they were married to a woman previously, or I knew they dated, what then I would know they were straight. That's, yeah, I don't know. It just seems like you could be, you could quite easily upset, offend, annoy, I don't know. Yeah, see, I'm way more, and I'm way more nosy and meddlesome than you are, I think. this is I enjoy, I enjoy like some matchmaking and things like that. And so I can say with full confidence, if
Chandler's Romantic Prospects
00:12:35
Speaker
I meet somebody and I'm like, Oh, Hey, I think this might be an interesting or a good match. I think all that in my head, but, and then I, I would check it out with both people prior to saying, Hey, I got somebody, you know,
00:12:49
Speaker
Shelly, i I feel like she was kind of lacking in her matchmaking. Indeed. I respect you shooting your shot and trying to help other people find happiness. right like She kind of made me laugh, too, whenever she said she was going to go flush herself down the toilet. Right. That was just a funny statement. Great visual. Yeah. Well, and it kind of also Chandler and her, it makes sense that they kind of click.
00:13:18
Speaker
You know, their friendship worked. Yeah, they do seem like good friends. I wish we saw more of Shelly. I Well, let's see. We go from there and we transition over to the girls' apartment. um And Chandler's basically saying you can't believe that people thought you was gay. But before we get into this, there's two things I want to discuss in this scene. Well, first of all, could you use chopsticks? Ah, you're going to talk about the utensils, those weird utensils. Yes. Weird utensils.
00:13:46
Speaker
Yes, but yes, I can use chopsticks and I very much. No, I've tried. Very much enjoy. Yeah. Can you use them? And she's shown me how to use them. I, that dexterity. I think I just get frustrated and grab a fork. Oh, I was going to say, so do you use like the little kid ones that are, have the stuff at that top? Yep. Can't even use those properly. If there's something, I probably not practiced to be fair. I've tried a couple of times and I give up quickly.
00:14:16
Speaker
Um, raise my hand and then that guy that asks for a knife and fork. This happened last week when we went out to eat. Oh dang. Yes. But yeah, I'm assuming you noticed these very strange, but kind of cool utensils. Yes. They were weird because they were like chopsticks on one end and then utensils like a, and I couldn't tell if it was a fork and a spoon or a knife and a sport. I couldn't really.
00:14:43
Speaker
Yeah, I can tell what it was. I saw that there was definitely a fork, but then wasn't sure of the other one. But these are the kind of chopsticks I need in my life so I can just spin them around and and nobody would even know. No, nobody would know. Now, did you catch the continuity error in this scene?
00:15:03
Speaker
ah was be yes Yes, whenever Rachel's talking about whenever they were at Phoebe's birthday party, and that was the first time she met Chandler, but we're going to find out later that no, no, no, they knew each other whenever Rachel was in high school. Right. And obviously this is going to happen, but that was an interesting little catch. So obviously we both saw. Yeah.
00:15:30
Speaker
But yeah, that was very funny how they all kind of thought each other could be gay, this, that and the other. Let's see, Paolo calls from Rome and obviously this is this is a time when this is quite exciting, it's quite expensive, getting international phone calls. Can we discuss that? And she answered the other line and passed the phone off while poor Paolo's paying for the phone call. Right.
00:15:57
Speaker
Right. And it's not a cheap phone call in the 90s to call internationally. So yeah, you you make the other person wait. They have an answer machine, you know. Yeah, you you give the international guy the priority, I think, at that point. I would agree. But we are talking about Rachel. We are. We are. You know, so she might not be thinking about the cost of things. I don't know.
00:16:21
Speaker
Yeah. But yeah, Jack is on the other line, Mr. Geller, and he calls to tell Monica and Ross that poor old Nana is passing away. She's had a long life, but it's all over for Nana. So we go over to the hospital. Is Jack and Judy, I didn't look this up. Did we catch Judy's sister's name? No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. I think it's Judy's sister and we think I'm not actually sure. It could be Jack's sister. um but doji i Well, no,
00:16:56
Speaker
because she calls her mom. ah and so That's why I figured it was Judy's sister. And then they both talk about how judgy she was, whenever they're picking out her clothes and everything. That's of course, so it would be her. yeah our partner in Her And then poor old Monica gets the third degree from Judy a bit about her hair.
00:17:18
Speaker
um And Ross consoles, you know, they might be there for hours. Yes. But I do love that Ross and Monica, the reminiscing about Nana, you know, the stealing the sweet and low from it. I think it's restaurants and also from Jack and Judy's house. Yes. And then the fuzzy. Yes. And then the fuzzy mints at the bottom of her purse. That's it. ah since They're like, oh, that's so gross. It's disgusting. We have vintage grandma move, I think. yeah Oh. That kind of stuff.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah, so let's just be honest for a minute. now reagan yeah All right. Do you have any like at the bottom of your backpack and I and you don't obviously carry a purse but like I was cleaning out the bottom or my backpack the other day and I did find some crushed up nerd uh nerd gummy cluster things uh i mean these things they happen if you don't clear it out but do you like if we were gonna find something gross on the bottom of your backpack what would it be
00:18:23
Speaker
You know, it let's I'm trying to think, I've got my backpack right here under my desk. And if I turned it upside down, but right now it's I used it to go on ah got a trip last week. So it's rate pretty clean. But I think sticks of gum would be the thing that would fall out. Now, it's still in the wrapper and untued, but there would be numerous pieces of gum, I think, at the bottom of any one of the bags that I use. OK. Yeah, I think that would be the thing for me.
00:18:50
Speaker
um but yeah the nurse comes out and they said that nana has died now to me that's weird it's weird right they would be in there right they'd be in the room right wouldn't jack and judy be there if they knew she was slowly passing away i would think that all of them probably would have been there right you know i guess yeah even in the 90s it was a pretty standard practice that if you were at end of life you could be in the room with yeah your family with you. I mean, I've only been in that situation once. so We were all in the room for most of the day because we knew it was happening. And I think that I thought that was pretty normal. Did did you find it strange that it was a nurse that came and told them and not a doctor? Yeah, right. Yeah, that seems it seems to be a doctor would have to sign off on that or be the one that would actually pronounce somebody dead. I might be completely wrong.
00:19:48
Speaker
Yeah, but I would figure I figured if he knew it was coming that have to be adopted, but I don't know That's not something I you know, it's just a I guess could be completely wrong I did do a little deep diving into Nana. I wanted to two play time Okay lady called Alice Drummond and the thing and the only thing I recognize her from is is she was the librarian at the beginning of Ghostbusters. Which I didn't quite remember, but then I Googled the picture and I was like, oh yeah, I remember her. Yeah. So she had one of the opening scenes of Ghostbusters. She was also an Ace Ventura pet detective. um and she like she great movie She passed away only a couple of years ago. She lived ah a ripe old age and had a long, long life. So we raise our glasses to Alice Drummond who, yeah, she's just been in all sorts of things.
00:20:39
Speaker
Now, did you find it strange? All right. Well, I say, but she didn't have a name like they never said her. Now, very interesting you bring that up because we do find out her name at a much later date. And I discovered this by accident last night. Oh, um I just share with us more. I will share with you. So we, um, Every night we go to bed, we flick on an episode of Friends. We've gone through phases. We've we've watched The Office numerous times. yeah We've watched several of the shows at night. But right now, we're we' we're going back and doing Friends again. um And the one where the girls lose the apartment to the boys, because they bet, and then Rust comes up with that game, one of the questions is, um what was the name of the grandmother who died that they went to her funeral?
00:21:34
Speaker
and Joey remembers her name and gets the question right. whoa And her name is, it's either, al yeah, it's Althea. Althea, it's an unusual. yeah We don't know it and I happen to air remember thinking we're recording this episode tomorrow. And I didn't know her name until last night. I'd forgotten.
00:21:55
Speaker
How funny. We'll see. I don't know that they ever say it in this episode because I'm sure they don't. I sure don't remember that. I think you'd remember. I would remember Althea that that would stand out. Okay. So speaking of names and the name of this episode is the one where Nana dies twice. Yes. And so literally she dies twice. Like in this episode, had you ever heard of the saying that you die twice?
00:22:27
Speaker
I've not. Okay. I hadn't either, but I sure did take a little Google trail search of down this crazy rabbit hole. But it said that you die twice. And the first time is whenever your body stops living. And then the second time is whenever the last time that your name is spoken. And so I was, I read that last night and I was like, how dark and kind of sad and everything else. But then I'm like,
00:22:56
Speaker
I don't know that we even know that woman's name. Like, how weird is that? Right. So I don't know. But yes, I had never heard that as a saying at all either. So I don't know. I guess it's interesting because if you pass away, but your legacy lives on, you're still but you're not alive, but you're alive in people's hearts and minds.
00:23:18
Speaker
right and that's exactly what it was talking about was people's legacy but yeah yeah that's ten na it's a nice oh and then i went to sleep and had really weird dreams right this probably isn't an episode to watch right before you go to sleep yeah and then take a googled trip of wildness. Okay. Sorry. No, no. This is what the podcast is about. Interesting tangents and philosophical things. But we do go back over to Central Park. Chandler's still trying to work out why people think he's gay and it blames his hair. And at that line of yet you have homosexual hair. I think it's just the alliteration and the way it's said, I found very funny. Ross and Monica come in.
00:24:10
Speaker
committed and of course Nana has now passed away. um Phoebe talks about she doesn't really think that people move on this day with us, her friend Debbie from the golf course which she talked about in the trivia. The one thing that surprised me here was Joey says you're worm food. Now obviously he doesn't come across as a staunch strong Catholic but I know he comes from a big Catholic family And even if he's not practicing, to me, he I wouldn't have thought he'd want to put that out in the universe. That he's basically basically saying he's atheist or not a you know not following Catholicism is the way I interpret it.
00:24:47
Speaker
Yeah, and i I don't know that I even believe that because I don't think that Joey does not seem to be a character that really thinks before whatever pops into his brain comes out of his mouth. right And so I i don't even ah know that I would believe that that's really what his character thinks, ah just perhaps in that moment.
00:25:09
Speaker
just to keep the conversation going this is what I'll say and then you know and then it's like and then he realizes that probably wasn't the best thing to say so so your hair's gay yeah right what ah yes it's it's it's just the way that the way the lines are delivered so funny yeah but I don't think that's what he would think I think He's the kind of person that if you're discussing death or you know big moments, I think he'd fall back onto his Catholic upbringing. Oh, yeah. I think he would anyway. But let's see and remember, jump in if I skip over any thoughts you have. But we go back we over to what we presume is Nana's house. um I got thinking about this and and part of me thought, well, is it Jack and Judy's house? Was Nana living with them? But I think I'm assuming it is Nana's house. OK. What do you think?
00:26:03
Speaker
So I don't I I had first written down Nana's room and then I drew through that and then I wrote apartment because whenever They show the outside before you're inside. It's a building. It's a building so I didn't know if it was an apartment or an assisted living thing or what the situation was but I don't I don't think And also if they were at Jack and Judy's house, it seems that Monica and Jack would have been with them because while, while they're cleaning out Nana stuff, you know, Jack and Monica are looking for coffins. And so they're, they've kind of like divided and conquered right to get these things ready. Um, yeah, which that's a whole nother conversation, but,
00:27:02
Speaker
and So I don't, it it would be very small for it to be her house, you know, because there's a small little twin but bed and her ah dresser was in the closet. Well, I want to ask you about that. What in the world is that about? but Okay. my brand in there So my grandparents, I remember they put and in the guest guest room in their house. They had, they had the dresser from the guest room inside of the closet.
00:27:32
Speaker
Interesting. All right. It looked to me like they could open a couple of the drawers, but maybe not the others. No. I can really tell. And he wasn't moving that dresser or whatever it was anywhere. Right. And I'm like, I don't even know how they got it in there. No, no. I watched that scene a couple of times. It was like, that seems ridiculous, like how they got it in there. But yeah, that's an interesting, interesting catch.
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah so weird. Well let's see we go from there you know they're talking about the clothes to bury Nana in and you know Ross is of course that he's you know actually a bit like a sales associate to shop assistant and I think they do they settle on the burgundy dress I believe yeah but then they have to find the shoes to go with it. and I do quite like that physical comedy of Ross looking like you know he's working in a you know, in a department store or something popping his head around the corner. um I thought that was very well done. And perhaps the reason the closet is there. ah Sorry, yeah the dressers in the closet is to kind of play to that physical comedy. Yes. um And ah well, and even him climbing in there in the first place to get back there. Like, yeah, all you're you're probably absolutely right. But yeah, because that's the weird thing. And
00:28:53
Speaker
I honestly think that my great my grandparents on my dad's side, that's the only time I've ever seen that. so Right. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. When we jump from there back over, let's see, to the girl's apartment and Jack tells Monica he wants to be buried as seen. He wants to surprise people and be a little less predictable.
00:29:14
Speaker
love it i love this scene and we're going to talk a little little bit more about this ah later on but I just I really like the relationship between the two of them. yeah yeah And it's not too often I couldn't I can't think of another time off the top of my head that we have two people sitting there as the main focus right there in those two little seats in front of the window which I think that seating arrangement changes fairly soon but you know there was yeah it's almost like a little Central Park table almost right in front of the big open window or the big yeah the big window. um So yeah, bear in the sea, good old Jack. um Seems like he's had a good life, successful life in many ways, but wants to do something a little edgy, something a little different. And what an odd thing to choose to, and then whenever he's like, you can make a day of it. Right. That's right. Take around the boat. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:10
Speaker
ah Yeah, it's yeah so well done and I don't think they've ever talked, I know that Rachel's dad and rachel you know he sells and Rachel knows how to sell but I don't think Ross and Monica, I don't think they ever know how to, like that's not part of their family, you know, the things that they do. No and it seems like a random thing because he's like you have to get a boat So like they don't have a boat where like Rachel, whenever it's because her, it's her dad's boat, right? Or, Oh, I'm trying to think like whenever she goes sailing or is that Joey's boat that he wins at that auction? Yes. The, the, the Mr. Beaumont. Yeah. yeah
00:30:56
Speaker
yeah I can't wait till we get to that. I know. That's funny. um but but Rachel's dad does have a boat because when, spoiler alert, when Rachel's parents get divorced, one of the arguments is you work and you work and you work on a boat. Whereas Mrs. Green as you work and you work and you work on a marriage, you know, those were things that they were complaining about to Rachel. that The other ah strange spouse, didn't you know, they didn't understand.
00:31:25
Speaker
Yeah. OK. Wow. Wow. maybe Maybe maybe Dr. Green was going to take Mr. Gella out for his final voyage before they launch him into the ocean. And make a day of it. Make a day. Bring some sandwiches and some snacks and some dehydrated noodles and just go for it. to you Well, let's see. We go from there. I love that little scene, but we go from there back to Chandler's, the break room and I've forgotten her name all already. it shelly She apologizes for making the mistake. um I want to talk to you. I don't know if you caught the whiteboard that was in the background um on the break room wall. ah So I saw the posters.
00:32:11
Speaker
Right. There's posters. There's the capability and handicapped poster. And then right underneath that poster, there's one about annoying. And I tried to read that one, but it says, uh, okay. But that's over like by the, the water coolers here. And then is there a sink or something? Yeah, there's a sink or something right there. Okay. And then whenever Shelly sitting at the thing in the background, there's, there's like a refrigerator and a counter I don't I didn't see a white bird okay so it was um whiteboard it was kind of above the sink and we need to go and rewatch it see exactly where it was but it was behind Shelly and kind of zoomed in on it and it said retirement excuse me retirement party for Chuck Fowler November 22nd he has no friends
00:33:06
Speaker
It says that on the whiteboard. So of course, first thing I need to do is look up Chuck Fowler. And I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, because he was a fairly low key guy, but he was a Hollywood producer. um He did Cagney and Lacey and Metlock were his two biggest shows. He produced the two of them. So I didn't know if it was a playful jab, like a running joke, a coincidence. But he does say, retirement party, November 22, he has no friends on the whiteboard.
00:33:36
Speaker
I will, that's, yeah, that's not an accident. That's what I'm thinking. There's, it's either a dig at this guy Chuck Farrer or an inside funny joke, which I would just say it's the latter. I would hope so. I'm sure. Yeah. But now Kate brought up a question. We haven't gone back and looked. Obviously this was done in the background and I don't know if we've seen the, um,
00:33:59
Speaker
the magnetoodle or the whiteboard, whatever is the boys have up on their door. You know that they write messages on Chandler and Joey. Have we even been inside of the boys' apartment yet? We've beaten once where Chandler smokes, at least once. so Several episodes ago, I believe, where Chandler's teaching Joey how to smoke. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we talked about how, I mean, Chandler just loves smoking. But got it changes a lot, their apartment, the first few times we're in it. So it's something I need to go back and check. I wonder if the their message board is there yet. I wonder.
00:34:37
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so I'll need to go back and have a look at that. But yeah, Chuck Fowler, Chuck Fowler, he was a Hollywood producer, many shows, including Matt Lock, Cagney, and Cagney and Lacey. But we head from there back to Nana's. They have gone with the burgundy dress. And then Ross finds the sweet and lows in this kind of famous scene where they start pouring down on his head. And it's funny, but emotional and sweet and touching it all at the same time.
00:35:06
Speaker
yeah Now, quick question for you. If you were going to have some tea, how would you take your tea? Oh, sweet. Or actually, I had tea last night and I got it unsweet, but I put Splenda in it. Well, that's what okay. now She takes one or two Splendas in her tea hot. Uh huh. Let's see. Okay. Now my mom does sweet and low. Right. She does. And it makes this, I remember the first time I saw this episode, it made me think of my mom.
00:35:35
Speaker
because and she still does it. She'll take a couple of extra packets if you're at a restaurant or whatever and she'll she'll take them. So that made me curious about Sweet and Low and it was invented in the 50s and I was shocked that had been around that long. Right.
00:36:01
Speaker
Um, but yeah in the fifties, they, they, they started selling them in 1957. Um, and then in 63, they started selling them in grocery stores for like people to buy. And by the nineties, it was used in about 86% of food service outlets. So like restaurants and all of that 86%.
00:36:27
Speaker
i've never really so kick put that in t I've never really thought about this. like What's it actually made out of? I'm assuming it's healthier than sugar, but maybe not. I don't know. okay soho so it's sweet low we i knew somebody that had deep-dived into this. evil Oh yes well and I'll tell you the deep dive into the artificial sweeteners it's something that Joseph and I go through every few years and then we dive in because there's always something that is being brought out or said to be better or worse or whatever but sweet and low is saccharin and then splenda is
00:37:06
Speaker
and something different, that it's another derivative of its fake sugar. And so there's always less calories, but the chemicals that they use can create like a whole host of different issues. Interesting. The more I think about that, Kate will use that stuff instead of sugar to but i And I do too, but I i don't know if I could tell you the difference between Splendid and Sweet and Little to be honest, but Stevia is the aftertaste. Is the aftertaste? Okay. I will pay attention to that. Stevia is the popular thing that we use at home. Yes, because that's supposed to be the healthy one right now. Yeah, that's some natural plant extract. Okay. Yes. Research that that's what we use.
00:37:48
Speaker
Yes. And the other ones that are in like Diet Coke and all of that, like you've got aspartame or saccharin. That's right. Two big ones. Who knew we would be such an educational podcast? Who knew? knew Every day's a school day. We go from there. We're back in the girls apartment. Everyone's getting ready for the funeral. um Phoebe has this funny line about losing her bearings and they see Rachel's got her polo shoes on and I gri struggle and I know it's a different time. This was 30 years ago, but Chandler just saying, doesn't everyone look nice? I think I would say that if I walked into a room and everyone was dressed up, I don't think anyone would say, well, that's, that would make me question somebody's sexuality. Um, now maybe it was a little less. I don't know, but no, no, that's something I wouldn't think twice about anybody saying cause they did look nice.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah. It's a sad occasion. It's nice for everyone to dress up. Yes. Yeah. but yeah i Wait, wait, but we didn't talk about evening shoes and day shoes. That's right. I missed that with Nana. Yeah. went you' got um and there She's like, oh, that's more of a day shoe. Whatever he has.
00:39:08
Speaker
And I was, and I, I looked at it or the shoes that, um, he passed out. They're the same style of the shoes that I got married in, like they where they're like closed toed, but they have like a strap around the back and the heel is open. And then there's a kind of a wider heel on the back. Right.
00:39:31
Speaker
And i i I was thinking about that and I'm like, I got married, i we had a day wedding, but I don't know that that would have mattered. I just liked those shoes. You know what I mean? And so I was wondering, have you ever heard of like a difference between a day shoe and an evening shoe?
00:39:55
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. I would I would just assume an evening shoe is fancier. And perhaps it's comfortable. You know, it's more about style over comfort, whereas a day shoe might be more comfortable. That's a complete guess. I've got no idea. Yeah, I would assume that that would be the right answer. But I had never heard of it either. No. But I'm also not fancy. So there you go. That could that could be the issue. We are salt of the earth people. but Absolutely.
00:40:26
Speaker
But I, well, but it was kid's shoes. I was gonna say I did work in a department store and I sometimes had to cover shoes, but it was kid's shoes. So I don't think that that would have even come up. Be a bit different. Yeah, they wouldn't have an evening shoe per se. I would hope not. I would hope not too. Okay. Well, let's see. We go out to the graveyard and I've got a few thoughts and questions about this. A beautiful day. Joey has a TV in his pocket, which I know existed, but I suddenly never had one.
00:40:56
Speaker
um weather's great and Ross falls into the grape I've got a couple of quick well one question a couple of questions for you first of all what's the furthest you've ever fallen you ever fallen down a set of stairs or so I fought oh yeah I actually um about six stairs so how far is that let's just go with six stairs worth yeah yeah six stairs worth i've fallen down down that here at my house um and then i've fallen upstairs more than once but ah so probably like six stairs or off a bicycle right i've definitely i fell for bicycles or something i remember that
00:41:46
Speaker
um And then I was just thinking i got thinking about it when Ross fell. I know I've fallen three stairs when I walked up my neighbor's steps, and it was icy. No, it was just snowy. It wasn't even icy. And then I just forgot how many steps they had and somehow missed one and then stumbled a couple of feet and fell. Technically, they don't have a ring camera, I discovered afterwards. Because I did ask them am if they had one, because they thought that would make a great gift for Kate, would be that video. She was in trouble immensely. But it was not caught on camera.
00:42:19
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um But let's see. Now, I am making an inference here that the Cowboys are playing the Giants as we have decided. Oh, fact you know what? Hold that thought for a second. The falling down. Why is there just an open grave with nothing around it to stop or over it? Yeah. oh Yeah. No warning. No, nothing seems very odd to me. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. it was Right. Yeah. But Joey's got the game on and it's during the day. So that tells me it really has to be on a Sunday. Right. So I was thinkable to do the ah funerals on a Sunday, I think.
00:42:55
Speaker
um Because I would have thought no, but of course then I remembered that I'm going to assume that Nana is Jewish or was Jewish. right um even though it's I thought it's potentially possible that Judy converted to Judaism if Jack was Jewish. That was possible. Let's just assume that she was Jewish. And that I found that Jewish funerals can be held on a Sunday if the death occurred on the Sabbath. um Otherwise, the funeral would take place ah late on a Friday evening. That seems to be a thing. And if I've got that wrong, I apologize. But that seems to be what happens traditionally.
00:43:34
Speaker
um You know the and the funerals do happen very quickly after the passing of the person ah generally within 24 hours um Although it seems to me that's not like a hard and fast rule if people need to travel things like that But yeah, so I'm assuming she died on this Saturday was buried on the Sunday, I guess But that just stood out to me. There's something to deep dive into Well, okay, wait. Mm-hmm Now, if that's true, then that means that Chandler works on saturday or sunday Saturdays That's a very good point. Because right whenever rachel i mean whenever Monica and her dad, and then they're cleaning out Nana's closet or room and looking for the clothes and all of that, if they're doing that,
00:44:32
Speaker
Right. That on Saturday, even if she passed Friday night, that it's still the next day. Right. And and then Chandler's at work and everybody is at work. I mean, I suppose it's possibly could be there in the Saturday, but you're right. Probably not with an office full of people. Just if, you know, he had some work to do to catch up on Now, depending on the time of year, if it's the playoffs, sometimes those are on Saturdays. So maybe she could have died on a Thursday channel as a work on the Friday. I'm not sure what time of year it is. Do we have any other than the funeral? It's sunny, but it's cold. OK, so ah the episode aired on November 10th. All right, so that's not NFL playoff time.
00:45:24
Speaker
uh no sticking with the adenal just an interesting just something that i was thinking about the the timeline of these couple of days yeah hu um but we do go from there to the reception i'm assuming this is a jack and judy's house um I haven't really looked at the house through the lens of if it matches their house in previous other episodes we see, but assume it's Jack and Judy's house. Pearl Ross has taken all these pain pills and comes flopping out into the main living area.
00:45:59
Speaker
Let's see, Chandler tries to flirt with, I think it's Andrea. I think that was her name. And then Ross comes out and he's like, man, if you want to be gay, be gay, man, I don't care. Um, and then Andrea's friend was like, I told you or whatever it was. Um, let's see. And all those, as we talked about trivia corner, the men are gathered, like you know, watching the TV. Did you, have what do you remember owning like the first piece of technology that you thought made you really cool? Like this is a cool new thing. Um, no. Oh, yes, I do. yeah I'm like, no, because we never bought anything whenever it was brand new. Like we never had.
00:46:40
Speaker
The new thing right, but I did win a Nintendo Whenever I was in fifth grade, and that was so cool. That's pretty cool but I Think whatever I got my very first iPod and I had like a green one and it was so pretty Yes Yes, I think that was it. I never owned an iPod. I had like a Windows whatever was media player kind of thing I remember getting the iPhone, is it eight? I think it was the first one I got. I had other phones and things before that. I do remember getting a Sega Game Gear from one of the hands, like the Sega equivalent of the Game Boy for Christmas one year. was That was the big gift. That was the thing. And so we need to go back and look at when it was released. It certainly wasn't brand new when I got it. It'd been out a while because I knew that I'd played our friends ones. That was something I wanted.
00:47:40
Speaker
but I remember feeling pretty fancy playing Sonic the Hedgehog on the Game Gear. Yes, that's awesome. I think ah think it had the same name here in the state. Some game systems had different names. Oh, really? Like this Sega in the in the UK, it was called the Mega Drive. I think here it was called the Saturn. I think some of them had a couple of different names. Anyway, I think the Game Gear was fairly universal.
00:48:08
Speaker
We won't go down that rabbit hole just now, but yeah, it's funny, those are some sort of core memories, and you know gig did you know, when you get certain things for the first time. That's true. I had a, okay. So thinking about the handheld games, I had a, a game boy and yeah I thought that was so cool. You put the little cartridge in put us up and, and play. Yeah, that was fun. That was a neat thing too. Yeah. I see them for sale online. They're really cheap. And it's like, I kind of miss, it but I think I just miss that nostalgia. And if I ever bought one, it would be played with for an hour and they'd go in a drawer and they'd never see it again. Right.
00:48:48
Speaker
But they were the good old days, the good old days. Yeah, for sure. That's right. Well, let's see, we go from Monica and her mom have that very heartfelt conversation, right? I think that's at this moment. um Talked about Judy's mother being critical in the earrings. I think Judy finally realizes she's doing what her mother did to her. Right. But then turns around and it's like some things are just better left unsaid. And everybody should just get along. Yeah, don't need to talk about these things.
00:49:19
Speaker
Yes, it's a touching moment. be It would be nice if but ah Monica was able to speak her mind, but maybe she didn't need to. Maybe Judy understood what she was doing. We go back to Chandler's office break room, and which again would make this look like it's not on a Sunday. Although maybe this is the next day. I think we're right. We jump back over there because Lowell comes in. We're right at the end of the episode now.
00:49:50
Speaker
Oh, have I skipped over? Have I skipped over a bit? Yeah, because they were there and Jack's like, now I'm depressed. And then they went we went to the coffee house where they were looking at the pictures. That's right. Yep. I've completely missed that note. You're absolutely right. Oh, okay. Yeah, the guys looking through the old pictures of Nana and her friends, we had the trivia, ah the bamboozle question about that.
00:50:15
Speaker
the naked Ross photos. That's right. Right. and and yeah And I think you looked into Java Joes a little bit like I did. The name Java Joes. Yes. And I, ah's how I arrived at that was one of the names that they had originally instead of central part. Yeah. There was Java Joes and then I knew show was going to be called Cafe Insomnia. That was the first name. Really?
00:50:40
Speaker
grily Yeah, that's, it's a real, I'm sure it's gone now. It was a real coffee shop in Hollywood, which Marta Kaufman used to drive by in Hollywood. So she wanted to create a show that was like ah this cafe that she, the coffee house that she used to drive by called Cafe Insomnia. So I know that was the ah original thought for the name of the show before it was going to be six of one and friends like us. And they had other working titles. I assumed that they were going to call what is now Central Park Cafe Insomnia, but that actually I don't know. um But yeah, it's definitely a name for the show. But then Java Joes would have been a lot of fun too. Although Central Park gives such as a good nod to New York. ah Seems to be the best name. I like that one a lot. Yeah.
00:51:26
Speaker
But then yep, excuse me. We do go back to Chandler's break room a law comes in and he didn't think Chandler was gay um But that Chandler going I could get Brian I could get Brian oh and Hey Brian and And then he just keeps walking yeah, yeah, just like he's just he knows he's kind of being caught so you just have nervousness or whatever keeps talking but i got thinking about this So Lowell says, and this was kind of my something new, something from the episode that made me think. Lowell says that they're talking about people being gay, and Lowell uses the term radar. um So it got me thinking about the now antiquated term gaydar, which is used in various comedy things about if somebody could tell somebody was gay or not. It's used in The Office. There's an episode where Jim says quite like, yeah, from Sharper Image or something.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah. um So I've got to think about that term, gaydar, when was that first used? And it was actually used, ah he it had been used for over a decade before this episode came out. um It was in several journals, including a newspaper called The Village Voice that was put out in New York. um Because I got thinking, I wonder if that term gaydar, which, like you said, is not used really now, but was in comedies.
00:52:52
Speaker
if it predated or post dated this episode and it had been around for a long time. Interesting that they just talked about a gay radar and not that which. Yeah, huh. It's interesting, you know, these terms kind of are acceptable and funny and then they kind of, you know, society moves on a little bit from them, but I don't know, I just found it interesting. um See where that term came from. Yeah. Let's think, get sorry, go ahead.
00:53:22
Speaker
Oh, I just wanted to talk about Lowell for a minute. yeah You know, one of the things that Shelly says at the very beginning is that Lowell is funny and he's cute. And Lowell makes the comment because he's like, you know, how are you or whatever? He's like, it's like Mardi Gras without paper mache heads.
00:53:46
Speaker
And that sounds so much like a Chandler line to me. ah You know, like that's his humor. And I'm like, you know, if he was, that probably would have been a good match because they would be having the same kind of humor, you know. and witty Yeah. It would have been a good, one you're absolutely right. I didn't catch that. Yeah. That is something that Chandler could easily say.
00:54:14
Speaker
Very interesting. Sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, I was just going to say, see, I'm metal subbed and constantly looking for similarities and matches. but that could In another universe, that could have been a really good match. That would be fansy oh they'd be interesting. I wonder if Chandler met his, if he met his match in a humor sense, because that's so much of his identity, if it would drive him crazy.
00:54:43
Speaker
the somebody else does, or if they would just be two peas in the pot. I guess we'll never know. um you That's a good point because Monica is not funny. like That's not her saying. And Janice isn't funny. So I don't know. Interesting. That could be a point.
00:55:07
Speaker
Well, let's see, I think we're kind of at the end of this episode. So, um you know, we're thinking about who are our Gunther Central Park, who our favorite character of the episode is. Who did you really like? Who stood out for you in this episode? Chandler. Chandler is just funny all the time. And then I liked that he tried something new with his hair.
00:55:31
Speaker
And the one which is funny to me because now that I have said that and pointed that out he made the comment right before that scene about isn't my hair and Then he wears it all slicked back and different the next time, you know or even couple of things that No, I like that just now popped into my brain but yeah, no Chandler's just funny and quick and ah Chandler is hard to beat and he is. But this week, Chandler's not my gun to Central Park. um I've got a real soft spot for Jack Geller. I really do. I love the relationship that he and Monica has, like and he's like a girl dead kind of stereotypically. like he This isn't the first time we see just the two of them together, the which later seasons when she breaks up with Richard, you know he shows up
00:56:26
Speaker
He genuinely seems to really adore his, like, and enjoy spending time with his daughter and is protective and loving and sweet. And I think, I think he knows that Judy is overbearing and he kind of balances that out. He's not going to try and correct Judy or change that because I think he probably knows he's been married long enough. That's not going to change. Well, and he met her mom.
00:56:51
Speaker
yeah Yeah, exactly. um I think he balances that out with a sort of a softness towards Monica. Of course, he ends up giving her a Porsche and things like you know later on in the show. So for me, we don't see too much of Jack Geller, so I think he gets it for me this week. That's so nice. Yeah. old Good old Jack Geller. Now, if you were going to score the set of 10 Coffee Cups, where would this episode fall for you?
00:57:20
Speaker
I would be about a seven, a seven. seven or eight with a decaf, but seven. and Like I said, of half a point. yeah yeah I think I would probably, 16 seems too low and eight is too high. So I think I would probably fall in the set. It's a funny episode. There's funny lines, um um ah several that we've talked about that stand out for me. So I think again, a solid seven for me. Um,
00:57:53
Speaker
Yeah, a good one, a good one that we both enjoyed. But as we've talked about, as this podcast grows, we're going to try and add some more sections. Please get in touch with listener mail if you have any thoughts. We've started to post on various social media outlets and in a couple of Facebook groups. I'm hoping that we can um get more of you involved and create a really cool Purple Door podcast community. um Next week, the episode we're going to discuss is the one where underdog gets away. But Deanna, any final thoughts?
00:58:24
Speaker
Um, no, just be careful and don't have any really big falls. All right. Stay safe out there, everyone. And on that note, thank you very much for tuning in to the Purple Door podcast.