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But I'm a Cheerleader
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Pride Month continues with this Conversion Camp comedy classic!
First off, there seems to be a problem with Katie's sound in this one, I did what I could to adjust it, but apologies in advance. It should still be listenable, but we'll do out best to prevent that from happening again.
In this episode: we explain Skip-Its to Gen Z, Emma has some ideas for adding communities to the Queer spectrum, a visit to a cow cuddle farm, and we brush on some of the Problems in the World Today.
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Transcript
Theater wedding and LGBTQ+ culture
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I had a little insight into maybe how some of our listenership has spiked. um I was at a wedding this past Friday for ah the director of Ferryman. And um ah so my friend Terry and my friend Emma were getting married. And i my friend Priscilla was there. Is Terry a boy?
00:00:23
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Perry is a boy, yes. Oh. Disappointing, Carrie. It's Pride Month. i'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just specifically to the episode we're talking about today is all. I know. I know. yeah I know. Apologies. It was a very theater-y wedding, so if that helps.
00:00:38
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It does help. But my friend Priscilla was there. The second best thing to being gay is being theatrical. I mean, being a theater kid is in itself. think, honestly, this is my petition.
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Yeah,
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So that is lesbian, bisexual, gay, LGBT, trans, theater kid, ahha queer, intersex, gay,
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unless So just the theater kid in there Extremely unproblematic take I'm sure no one will have a problem with that With straight theater kids inserting themselves Into queer culture It's what we do best Leah Michelle has not already done enough harm ah To the community as a
Podcast growth thanks to Priscilla
00:01:41
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whole. ah But this is, I mean, i feel like she'd be my number one um petitioner if she knew how to read the petition. when i When I say that she's done the most harm to the community, I'm talking about the community of theater kids, not not queer people.
00:01:56
Speaker
Oh, okay. I was taking as... Me and Michelle can't harm queer people because she's not queer. No, but she can insert themselves into their culture. Yes, she can harm theater kids and make, like...
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is The reason people don't like her ah's like it's like the Anne Hathaway thing it's like people like There was a period a few years ago Everybody's like oh god Anne Hathaway iss so annoying it's like She's just a theater kid she'ss just a theater kid jatic and She's And she's a weirdo like Just let her live Let her be her Lea Michele is actually obnoxious. She's very obnoxious. Lin-Manuel Miranda the same way. The backlash on Lin-Manuel Miranda is like, he's just he's just a theater kid. He's just excited.
00:02:38
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Why can't we have things? I was like, why am I not on the floor? i like recording on the floor. i get a little bit more were talking about a wedding and I completely derailed the conversation. That's okay. That is okay. I think it was important to let the people know that Lea Michele is starting a petition
00:02:58
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allegedly to include theater kids on the LGBTQIA plus flag. um And it will just be a little micro sliver of the Les Mis poster.
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Jesus Christ.
00:03:16
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um No theater kids. Don't do that. Um, ah So, yeah, so I was at a wedding and my friend Priscilla was telling me that on her way. So she is an, I want to say archaeologist.
00:03:33
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ah Or what's what ah what's similar to an ah archaeologist? Egyptologist? Paleontologist? No. I want to say archaeologist. Yeah, she's an archaeologist.
00:03:47
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ah Bones and pottery and stuff. Yeah, and like does a lot of research into like history of um people. That'd be anthropology.
00:03:58
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Oh, she's an anthropologist. There we go. She's an anthropologist. Yeah. um I got there eventually. I got there eventually. yep I'm so sorry, Priscilla. She binge listened to our ah podcast on her drive from ah Connecticut down to Florida to do some lab work.
00:04:17
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And then she told all of her coworkers about the podcast. And apparently ah me saying, ah yeah, is apparently now an inside joke with her and several of her coworkers. You saying, yeah, like in what context? text Because apparently I say a lot. Apparently i go, yeah.
00:04:35
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Wow. Yeah. or noticed. Or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. Well, yeah happy to have you, new listeners Florida. Happy to have you Thank you so much. Thank you for listening. Probably.
00:04:49
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fans. amount of bullshit that we talk on here, like, I'm just surprised. They're our biggest fans. Scientists. yeah. Women in STEM.
Visit to Guardians Farm and observations
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Good. Good. I'm glad.
00:05:04
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ah I did something that you would have loved this past Sunday and you know because I sent you tons of pictures that's yes you hung out with cows I hung out with cows cows um my cousin and I and her boyfriend and Charlie and i went to this farm in Southbury called Guardians Farm and i they have calf cuddles and goat cuddles that's very cute And you can pay money to do either goat cuddles or cow cuddles, but you cannot do both for one ticket. You have to pay two different tickets. They're very strict about that.
00:05:42
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Sure. And so we went and we we had chosen we had chosen cow cuddles. We chose calf cuddles. And... We went in and just basically there was about like four or five cows. One of them was just a pregnant cow.
00:05:59
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The other one wasn't he. One was a baby cow. And then the other one was like slightly large, larger than another baby cow. And they all had like really intense. Cause it's, it's a farm that's like run by veterans.
00:06:12
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Um, and it's all white veterans and, And Charlie noticed some problematic artwork in the gift shop. Oh, for God's sake. Come on.
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Like what? Problematic artwork in what way? um He said that I did not witness this, but he said that Trump shirtless riding a horse kind of artwork. No, but he said that he saw something saying, don't tread on me.
00:06:41
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And okay and i was like, woof. All I noticed was they're very like, obviously, because it's run by veterans. They're pro military, pro police.
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And yeah so there was a lot of stuff where if you purchased um like soaps or or like a shampoo or something, it donated money to like the canine unit. And I was like, at least it's going to the dogs. Like, let the dogs have jobs. It's training, training dogs to to be racist. But, you know, that's what Charlie said. post Yeah. In my mind, they're like the they're like the bees and bee movie. And they're just they're just wanting a job.
00:07:22
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um ah and Dogs shouldn't be cops. Don't make dogs cops. Don't make dogs cops. But what if they really, what if it's their lifelong dream? What if they grew up watching um like law and Order and they were like Paw Patrol and they were like this is this is what I want to be when I grow up. Are you going to deny those dogs their dream?
00:07:44
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Yes. Fair. If it hurts ah people that should not be hurt. Yes. Um, but besides that, uh, oh, and then like you could like buy like milk and like yogurt and stuff from the cows. And, um, I got some very nice lotion that was made from milk from the goats.
00:08:10
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and And, um, there was also a meat section. A meat section? That's exactly what I said. was like, wo what? It wasn't any meat from this farm. It wasn't meat from this farm. They didn't even have cow. It was all pigs.
00:08:26
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Oh, God. But I was like, either why what how what if there was cow? Like, what? What?
00:08:37
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Yeah, I feel like they probably know their audience well enough not to do that. But yeah, selling meat at all is a little, it's it's a little, know yeah. yeah And like they sold like eggs, which was totally fine because everybody here in Connecticut sells eggs because everybody has chickens. um But they had they had a wide array of animals. um the The cows were were very lovely. um I personally think we should have gone for the goat cuddles because the goats could sit, were tinier and they could sit in your lap. um goats like to sit in your lap yeah my aunt has goats and she'll go she goes out of the goat pen and like sits down in a chair and the goats just run to jump in her lap they they love it yeah oh god i mean they want to eat your clothes also but they do like to cuddle yeah they do like to cuddle um there was also um ostriches um which were scary very scary absolutely terrifying yeah that my cousin kept saying how much they look like dinosaurs um They basically are. They basically are. There was also runner ducks. Have you ever seen a runner duck run?
Introduction to podcast theme and 'But I'm a Cheerleader'
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No. oh my God. They're the cutest thing. They look like they just have their hands behind their backs, like, or in their pockets. and I've seen those. They're, yeah, those those little guys. They're like, yeah um they're like more vertical than than what you think of as a duck. Yeah. Yeah. They look like little bowling pins. Yeah.
00:09:58
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Yes, they look like bowling pins. But they had a bunch of runner ducks. It was very, very cute. um So yeah, racism and ACAB aside.
00:10:11
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it was It was a fun time. It's nice. I mean, the cows and the goats don't know who who's running there. That's true. That's true. Yeah.
00:10:22
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They just know it as the nice people. Listeners may not know, but i love I love cows. That's a big yeah big thing for me. Katie loves cows. And so the entire time I was like, katie's gonna Katie would love this!
00:10:34
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So many cows! Problematic farm? I guess it's not a farm. It's just a house kind of in the middle of the area. I mean, would you call it a gay conversion farm?
00:10:48
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No. No! It's not.
00:10:52
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It's basically like summer camp. It's like a Victorian house out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Yes. Yes. um Problematic take on human rights.
00:11:04
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Famously seen in today's film. That's right, guys. You guessed it.
Analysis of 'But I'm a Cheerleader' film and themes
00:11:10
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This is ah Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where... Emma and Katie are just a cheerleader, and we're just trying to live our best lives.
00:11:20
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But our parents think that we're a little strange. Just because we, you know, i don't know, have pictures of girls in our locker. And, um...
00:11:32
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ah listen to melissa etheridge and our but think think about cheerleader uh uh skirts and uh and but they don't know that while we open our mouth and let our boyfriend just stick his tongue in there stick his tongue in there he's not a good kisser uh so our parents send us to a I want to say a summer camp for gay conversion because that's what it feels like. It's a gay conversion camp. It absolutely is. Yeah, yeah.
00:12:04
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And we're there with a bunch of other quote-unquote problematic teens. I'm saying quote-unquote because I don't think they're problematic. The parents think they're problematic and they're the problem. ah And ah along the way, we learn a lot like about ourselves including...
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it's okay to be horny for girls. ah And that's that's okay. And then along the way, we fall in love with Clea Duvall. That's right, guys. My name is Emma.
00:12:36
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And I'm Katie. And today we are talking about 1999 movie, But I'm a Cheerleader. Um, ah yes, um it is directed by Jamie Babbitt. Yeah! And written by, so Jamie Babbitt has a story credit, and the screenplay is to Brian Peterson.
00:12:58
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um Jamie Babbitt has not directed another movie that anybody's ever heard of. um She had some shorts. And then there's some stuff that like is just really, really um indie and not an under scene. And then every TV show you've ever seen has yeah at least a couple of episodes directed by Jamie Babbitt. Like literally like every big TV show of the last, I don't know, 25 years has at least one episode directed by Jamie Babbitt. She's everywhere. Get it, girl.
00:13:31
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And then Brian Peterson only has a few writing credits. He wrote some all TV. He's written some episodes of Smallville. And now he works for Brian Murphy. Now he works for Ryan Murphy on 9-1-1-1 Star.
00:13:46
Speaker
On Love Star? Yeah, Brian Murphy is a um um podcaster and um like dropout TV guy. Oh, okay. Not right. Wait, Ryan Murphy runs 9-1-1 Lone Star.
00:14:02
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Yeah. All the 9-1-1 shows are are Ryan Murphy. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's the show runner, but he's the, you know, he's the, I was going to say they're very not gay enough for Ryan Murphy. Yeah. um I don't know. I haven't seen them. My mom watches them and um I don't know. Yeah. and She says that it's a it's a it's an insane show full of like ridiculous plot twists and stuff. So I mean, that's that sounds like Brian Murphy. That's how. Yeah.
00:14:28
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Yeah. Right up his out. This movie has a 43 on Rotten Tomatoes, which is crazy. Insane. It's a cult classic. I don't i don't know if you'd mentioned that. It, of course, stars Natasha Lyonne. Classic. I guess this is her first thing. like What made?
00:14:50
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ah Yeah, it's got to be. It's got to be like one of her first things. Is this before Slums of Beverly Hills? It might not be. I don't know. Because I remember Slums of Beverly Hills was like one of her first things. Yeah. um And she was also like a child star, too. Let's not forget. She she did like TV as a kid.
00:15:08
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but She was in American Pie in 1999, apparently. oh the same year that this came out? Those are two vastly different characters and two vastly different vibes. I've never seen American Pie. We've had this conversation before, I think.
00:15:22
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It's cute. Yeah. um Yeah, she's in Dennis the Menace and she's in Heartburn, the Nora Ephron movie. oh She was on Wee's Playhouse. Yeah.
00:15:35
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where is slums of beverly oh yeah 1998 so it was the year before yeah that was like her big breakout because like she was like a kid star she was on peewee's playhouse she was on like you said um like a bunch of tv and like movies as a kid um but like her big breakout as an adult was slums of beverly hills which led to american pie detroit wreck city and then to this yeah And despite not being gay, has become a lesbian icon, um mostly for doing a several like playing a lot of several gay characters in different movies. Yeah.
00:16:12
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Yeah. Several, several, several, several. um It's just her voice is like raspy. She's got this like I don't care attitude. lot Yeah I mean her voice is significantly less raspy in this movie of course. oh significantly less raspy.
00:16:29
Speaker
And she does not have her signature red hair in this. She's a blonde. Yes yes. So it's very interesting to see her as the like buttoned up like Suzy May homemaker type in this movie.
00:16:43
Speaker
You know, I've, I tried to watch Russian doll. I got like, I watched the first day. This was when it first came out, Caitlin and I watched the first episode of of it and we're like, yeah, that's good. And then we just never watched the rest of it. So I need to go back and watch that. Yeah. Everybody says that.
00:16:54
Speaker
The first season is amazing. The second season, it's pretty good as well, but like they do a lot of timey wimey stuff that you're just like, woa wait sure Because the first season is so laid out that it should just be a limited series I was like why are we doing this It's one of those things that became really popular And then of course they had to do another season Yeah Oh it's Leslie Hedlund And Amy Poehler wrote that show Didn't know that But yeah I love Leslie Hedlund She's a playwright and she's made some movies too Most notably for this podcast Sleeping with other people Which we'll do on the show Yeah yeah But also Bachelorette, which I guess we could do on the show. Not really a rom-com as much as like a dark, what if Bridesmaids was dark?
00:17:41
Speaker
Yeah, what if Bridesmaids and was, everyone in Bridesmaids was terrible? Yes, I mean, the well, they kind of are, but terrible in a less charming and fun way. Exactly, exactly. yeah Which was a stage play that then they turned into a movie.
00:17:55
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Yeah. It Rebel Wilson. Yeah. So we start with the song Chick Habit, which is like this 90s song that's a cover of a 60s French song ah that got that was played in like a bunch of movies and like commercials and stuff um over like um what what we would normally describe as male gazey, but in this case, yeah lesbian gazey. Lesbian gazey. Shots of cheerleaders. yeah Specifically like up upskirts and boob shots. Yeah. Yep. Just a lot of jiggling, a lot of flipping, a lot of... Well, before we get into the plot, what's what's your history with this movie?
00:18:37
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um I saw this movie in college. um in ah i don't i don't i don't think I remember exactly like who had it or who showed it, but it was definitely one of those things where it's like, oh my God, you have to watch this movie. um ah and it was yeah I had never heard of it and like i was just blown away like mostly by the the production design yeah i it's just so rare for a movie to be that theatrical in its um presentation um feels very like John Waters-y slash um like
00:19:15
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not i don't want to say Tim Burton. be Almost Tim Burton. i was going to say Tim Burton. Yeah, almost Tim Burton in the effect that it's like, it's drawing from, i mean, David Lynch, Tim Burton, John Waters all draw from that like nineteen fifty s aesthetic in a um in in different ways this this movie is is doing it in a in a sarcastic um yeah camp normalization of of super straightness um whereas you know those other people are kind of looking on the the dark side i guess john waters would be the closest thing Yeah, I kept thinking John Waters the entire time that I was watching it. i was like, this feels... Yeah, most John Waters movies aren't quite this heightened in terms of ah production design, at least. I mean, they definitely are in yeah script and emotions, but yes but not in, like, the the art direction and stuff, which is just... It's way over the top, yeah.
00:20:13
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Yeah, which it's just... It adds to it so fantastically. Yeah, yeah. I saw this movie as a child. As a child? As a child. um I saw this movie when it first came out. I remember my mom rented it. and Your mom rented, but I'm a cheerleader? Yep.
00:20:31
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Yep, yep, yep. That's crazy to me. I remember seeing it way too young and not really valuing it for what it is. Yeah. um And I don't think I've seen it since I was a child. I remember liking it then.
00:20:45
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um but being very confused about the storyline and the theme and none of her kids are gay that seems like a real waste i well you know for a mom to be open enough to rent but i'm a cheerleader in 1999 and none of her kids be gay is kind of like right right what a way you tried you did your best donna but sadly you did your due diligence yeah That and me dressing up my little brother as Dr. Frankenfurter. How is there no... Really?
00:21:15
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Yes. Wow. I dressed him up as Dr. Frankenfurter. With fishnets and everything? Yes. When I was 15, I want say, and like 12. Oh, okay.
00:21:27
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Or 13? That's pretty young for that. Yeah. And because like I had my little hot topic. You had the Rocky Horror Picture Show when you were what? 15? guess 15 is the one. I think I saw it when I was like 12.
00:21:41
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that's That's a little young. Yeah. yeah Yeah. ah Because my mom loved it. It's not young now, but yeah in in in the early 2000s, late 90s, that's young for that. yeah It was such a different time, it's har for especially for like gay acceptance or anything like that. it's Yes. It's crazy. And especially in the South. like I guess, well you were you in the South when you were 12? No, I was in Connecticut.
00:22:07
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honor Okay, okay. But when I dressed up my brother as Dr. Frankenfurter and made him perform...
00:22:15
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sweet transvestite sweet transvestite because we've gotten the vinyl um and so i dressed him up in my hot topic um corset and my fishnets and like some shorts and may and then he performed sweet transvestite the fact that sean's not gay is it's and he was into that he was like okay with it oh he was so excited i think it was his idea wow good for him good for him right um and ah And, yeah, and then, like, seeing this movie...
00:22:45
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ah I want to say, so it was 1990, 2000, so we were in Connecticut. My mom had rented it. And I remember watching it and like really and liking the movie, but not really understanding or grasping any of the themes. And some a lot of it going over my head um in terms of like what the message of the movie was. And um I hadn't seen it again until last night, um just because like it's like never really... really? Yeah, it's just sort of like...
00:23:16
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not really a movie that you're just like oh I have a craving to watch but I'm a cheerleader I've always like wanted to re-watch it um and but I just like hadn't and it's my one of my cousin's favorite movies um and your cousin is also not gay right she's bi oh okay okay fair enough yeah so she's she's a bisexual queen and i know it's okay stay on the podcast because i've said it before on last pride months and i told her and she was like that's fine okay um well i would hope so yeah because this and um oh what was the one we did with piper pair blow last year well it's not piper pair a blow for sure
00:23:59
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awesome
00:24:03
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um youre just like it's ah Imagine me and you.
Personal history with the film
00:24:07
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Imagine me and you, but I'm a cheeto litter. Hyper para though. Favorite movies. ah That doesn't tell you a little bit about Maddie.
00:24:18
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I don't know what else will. Thanks for listening Maddie. Yeah you're the best. I love you like a sister. ah But I remember watching it then and then I hadn't really watched it. I mean maybe I watched it again in like college but I hadn't really watched it as a full-fledged adult and like it just it landed a lot better as a grown-up and I got all the new. Yeah imagine. um yeah I got all of the jokes and um I really enjoy this movie I really really love it um I'll get to Charlie's Corner later oh
00:24:55
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ah um so we cut to Michelle Williams in this movie yeah maybe Michelle Williams who I mean she was on Dawson's Creek at the time so she probably would have been one of the higher credited actors in this when it came out Yeah. um And ah they're cheerleaders and she's super into being a cheerleader. She's super psyched about it. Yeah. and she goes and ah is in the car with her
Plot and character discussion of 'But I'm a Cheerleader'
00:25:25
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boyfriend. And again, she is just literally, she has her mouth open and he's just licking the inside of her mouth. It's disgusting. He's not a good kisser. I i completely understand what you She's either. Like that's the thing. She's just got her mouth open. and She's literally doing nothing.
00:25:43
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They're just two gaping fish. And then it keeps cutting to her picturing the the upskirts and yeah like the panty shots, basically, as she's making out with him. yeah yeah And it plays this like musical sting every time she like thinks about women sexually. Yes.
00:26:05
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um and um ah then we cut to her her john waters house um it's very john ro house like the vegetables on the plates and like the just super tacky 70s decor and her her father's bud court um ah from um from harold and maude um most famously and then her mom is mink stole who was in a bunch of john waters movies yep And they are just... Like, he has this whole prayer that's specifically like, a Lord, just let us be normal and not... Not gay. Not perverse in any way. And not in any way, like, different from the norm. yeah Because the whole thing is that, like, her everybody knows she's gay except for her. Except for Megan. Yes. Everybody knows that she's gay. And the evidence...
00:27:01
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Because nobody's in her head. The evidence, if it was in a court of law, would not pass mustard. It's circumstantial. But again, like they know her and know how she acts and and probably the the things that she says. So like there's things like that. I mean, it's yeah especially for teens. it like It's usually pretty obvious when someone is. Yeah.
00:27:23
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I'm not saying you can always tell, but like my friends in high school, before they came out of the closet, it was all like, oh, well, yeah, that makes sense. like Obviously, but John is gay. like John's extremely gay. like Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:37
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yeah He was number choir. He's like 15, and he's like, listen, I have something to tell you. And he's like, I'm gay. I'm like, yeah, that I know, man. It's okay. Nobody's really surprised by this. Yeah.
00:27:51
Speaker
We've all been expecting this. yeah um um Yes. So, yeah, because there's a girl in a bikini in a picture in her locker. Yeah. And Melissa Etheridge poster on her wall. And there's a vaginal flower on. Right. um I imagine that she must have made that is what they're saying. Like she's so she like crocheted that or whatever it was. Yeah.
00:28:15
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um and uh but yeah they so they have this intervention for her her and her friends and her her boyfriend and uh and everything and they're like we're sending you to new directions yes who shows up but rupaul rupaul queen queen and charlie was so problematic in 1999 than today yes he was so confused whenever he saw rupaul's name pop up on the credits he was just like wait ru who's RuPaul Charles is that RuPaul like RuPaul he didn't recognize RuPaul out of drag really no no no he did he it's just the when the name popped up in like the opening credits oh in the un opening credits yeah he was like he saw because he's billed as RuPaul Charles and yeah we only know him as RuPaul and um so Charlie was so confused he was like is that the same i was like yeah it is yeah baby RuPaul plays a wannabe straight man in this movie
00:29:10
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I mean, RuPaul is his real name, and that's that's very uncommon for for drag queens. I can't think of him. I mean, I guess Willem is is this is is his real name, too. I guess it happens. Never mind. Yeah.
00:29:26
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Yeah. I don't know. um It was strange. He just had an uncommon name enough for it to work as a drag queen name, I guess. Exactly. Exactly. And now the world just, I mean, he's just so his brand in that you just hear RuPaul. Yeah.
00:29:41
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And you're just like, RuPaul. I mean, it's like crazy that like to be famous as a drag queen in the 90s in general is just crazy. like Right? yeah Yeah.
00:29:52
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He was on Sabrina the Teenage. He was on so many TV shows as RuPaul. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's it's like, again, it's it's despite the the problems that I have with RuPaul, um it's it's hard to to understate like how important like a bridge builder he was in the in the extremely homophobic 90s. It's easy to forget how fucking homophobic the 90s were. This movie is a good reminder of what it was really like.
00:30:20
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um I would imagine more so in the South than in Tennessee. And despite the fact that like when I was in high school, like there were plenty i plenty of out gay friends. It was like, I mean, partially we were in a you know small liberal bubble in Tennessee. But it's like that you know it was it was extremely rough to be queer in the 90s in Tennessee. Yeah.
00:30:45
Speaker
I had zero gay friends in high school. Well, you went to a... I had several that came out yeah years later. yeah, yeah. They had some bisexual friends that were really um gay or lesbian, but said bisexual because it was 2005 and that was more socially acceptable. Sure, yeah, yeah. But they went to public school.
00:31:07
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Right, right. um So they send her off. Oh, they're like, oh yeah, also you're a vegetarian. That's the other thing. Yeah, that was the thing. That was the biggest thing is that that's like their biggest red flag. They were like, you tried to make us eat tofu, you lesbian.
00:31:21
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yeah Which, fair enough. yeah They send her to New Directions, which is a gay conversion camp, which we're doing our best to make to get illegal, but it's it's a rough road. Yeah, I don't understand these are still legal.
00:31:38
Speaker
I mean, they are illegalized in some states, including Illinois and probably Connecticut. I don't know. Most of the Connecticut, yeah. um But, you know, it's a difficult administration at the moment. I don't know if you've heard. The news on the streets.
00:31:55
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And they meet Kathy Moriarty, um who is um from Raging Bull. And Casper! Yeah. And other movies. She's in Casper. Yes.
00:32:06
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She's the lady in Casper. She's the main lady in Casper. oh yeah. I didn't, I didn't remember that she was in that. As soon as she walked out, i was like, oh it's the, it's the villain from Casper. Uh, well Academy Award nominee for, Raging Bull. Um, she was and movies Academy Award nominee of my heart from Casper. Yeah.
00:32:29
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I have not seen Casper in 20 years probably. I thought you stayed for um Music Box of Horrors. No, didn't. i I didn't No, I home. Yeah, I really wanted to stay for Casper, but that was the like 7 a.m. m pick. No, it was the 10 a.m. m pick. Sorry, the 10 a.m. m pick. I couldn't. I couldn't.
00:32:48
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But I have rewatched Casper recently um because it's a fucking classic. It's a great airplane movie. uh yeah that makes sense yeah i remember it's devin sawa and bill yeah coleman and uh christina ricci right yep yep yep daddy bill yeah it's christina ricci oh yeah yeah yeah yep and casper friendly ghost obviously um And um so, yeah, we we get to the house. It's this bright pink and teal Victorian house out in the middle of nowhere. Every room is like completely monochrome yeah of different colors. So like there's like the the green room where literally everything is green.
00:33:32
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Yep. Yeah. it's It's beautiful. I love it. It's it's yeah so evocative. um in this like And it's all 1950s, 1960s decor and styling and everything. yeah Yes. it just This movie, I think, as a whole, has that vibe. And I think it is a lot of the art direction that you described. But a lot of it is also the shots of like, they just don't make indie film films like this anymore. like That just like feel like this...
00:34:00
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mixture of gritty and artistic at the same time. Like, I don't know, there's there was there's something about this movie that just feels really like indie.
00:34:10
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And I just don't get that feeling. I mean, maybe I need to watch more indie films or the fact that like streaming has sort of made indie a little bit more difficult to discern. um But like, it just, it felt so like, oh, I'm going to get smart watching this movie.
00:34:27
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You know? I don't know if it made anybody smart. today It may have made some people gay. We can only hope. We can only hope. um ah Then they show this terrifying video yeah about being recruited into the homosexual lifestyle.
00:34:45
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Go ahead.
00:34:55
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in reality much worse and much scarier than is depicted in this movie yes But like, it's the kind of thing that you kind of have to make fun of. um I have wanted for years to turn this movie into a musical. I think this movie sings. Oh, yes. Apparently they did in England and it flopped. um And people have tried to revive it or get it over here, but it's so far, no, no dice. I think it may have played some like, you know, readings or maybe done a workshop production or something, but yeah Um, I don't know. I don't know. i haven't heard it. I don't know if it's good, but, um, they have the rights. So if you have the rights to this movie and you are willing to give it to Katie Coleman, so she can make a fabulous Broadway award-winning musical, please email us at go get your girl pod.
00:35:47
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Sure. Sure. Um, ah but Chandler and I, uh, years ago talked about doing a, a conversion camp, um, comedy musical um i think that would be fun yeah i love that because i mean like if when you can't cry any anymore you gotta laugh yeah yeah yeah for sure um and it's ah it's a line that would have to be walked but it's it's definitely there have you seen um the miseducation of cameron post No, I haven't.
00:36:17
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Not a comedy. um a An upsetting drama about a gay conversion camp. But the the last shot of it is identical to this movie, weirdly. Oh, God, that's so weird.
00:36:30
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You know what i have seen that depicts um a gay conversion camp? i don't know if you've seen it. um They slash them. I have not seen they slash them. I hear terrible things.
00:36:41
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It's not great. It's not great in any way, shape, or form. And a lot of it is the writing. A lot of it comes from the writing. can tell from the title that the writing is probably not great.
00:36:52
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But, you know, they got they got Kevin Bacon. Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:00
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um The all said that about the but less said about that, the better. So we but then we cut to, there's five steps in the gay conversion program. Step one, admitting you're a homosexual.
00:37:11
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Yep. And who gets to lead her around, Emma? Clea Duvall. Oh, no, not Clea Duvall. So sorry. um My favorite actor, actress of all time, Melanie Lininski. God damn it.
00:37:26
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I was waiting for this. Yes, Melanie Lininski. Melanie Lininski. Melanie Lininski with her actual accent for the first time, like,
00:37:37
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ever i do yeah it's it's uncommon to hear her use her her native New Zealand accent right um ah but ah yes Melanie Linsky that's what I said Melanie Leninsky god damn it
00:37:54
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ah Shows her around, takes her to the aggressively pink room where the girls are are are held. yeah and we meet no other girls that I recognized. Apparently one of them is Catherine Towne, who has done some stuff, is the screenwriter Robert Towne's daughter.
00:38:14
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Oh, i I mean, the girl who who's like the goth girl looks super familiar. That's her. That's Sinead. Yeah. She's that's Catherine Town. She's been in stuff. She was married to Charlie Hunnam briefly. um And then the other main girl there is Clea Duvall.
00:38:30
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play um Yeah. Who plays Graham and is so hot in this movie, like unreasonably hot. so hot so so hot goodness fun we love clay duval we forgive clay duval for um the christmas movie the happiest season oh this is our second katherine town movie did you know that no
00:38:56
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she's also nope she is in blades of glory as female sex addicts Oh, no. Oh, from the, yeah, the the Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting he goes to?
00:39:10
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Yep. Cool. um Will Hurst are never stop rising. um Also, and then the boys, we have two recognizable actors with Kim Cardew as Clayton. And did you recognize? Rufio!
00:39:29
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Fucking Rufio. Fucking Rufio. Dante Basco as Dolph. I was so excited. i because like i did not even clock him as a child and I loved Hook. So much so that I have forced Charlie to watch it and he is continuously forever mad at me about it because it's like three hours long. Here's the thing. Hook is not good.
00:39:52
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Objectively a bad movie, but um you and i saw it when we were babies. yeah So there's a, there's an innate love that comes to it for that. Everybody's got like that, like this movie is bad, but I saw it when I was a little tiny kid and I love it forever. Like it's, I love forever. This and Walt Disney movies are are like that.
00:40:13
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Hook and Waterworld for me. I can't follow you on Waterworld. Caitlin loves Waterworld. I can't do Waterworld. um I've noticed that a lot of like 10 years younger than us, um the the excitement about the upcoming B-movie episode, it's it's tumultuous because a lot of kids, like a lot of people that were 10 years younger than us, they were like littler kids when B-movie came out. And so that's their hook.
00:40:43
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So many people are excited about B-movie. I know. I was just editing B-movie. Thought I would just bring it up again. um i hope all you sickos like the fucking b-movie episode um and uh she's like confronted with this and she's like i thought everyone had those thoughts which is like such a queer like true ism you know it's one of those things where you're like oh i thought that was normal is that not normal and people tell you that things aren't normal and that's the first like it's it's just like
00:41:16
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Like, kids understand things in a way that adults have learned not to. Yeah. it's one of those things where, like... little kids especially like, okay, so this is, um, you know, Michelle and this is her wife. And it's like, oh, she has a wife. And you're like, yeah. And they're like, oh, okay, that's fine. Like yeah if you don't teach kids that something is, is to be hated or or aberrant, um, then they will understand it and take it in because kids just absorb knowledge and the things that you tell them, they will take, to be true so you have to teach kids to hate people who are different than them if you don't they will be fine yeah exactly
00:42:02
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is why we think We should just start over as society.
Society's evolution and cultural discourse
00:42:06
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Start over. think we should just unplug the internet. That's my big thing. Just unplug the internet. Turn it off. yeah Yeah. Shut it down. There's a reason that like to the past like 10 years people have gotten angrier and angrier and madder and madder because like there's more and more um because of the internet because there's more transparency of like saying that people hate other people.
00:42:27
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And kids are just absorbing it um like from, you know, infancy, basically. Yeah. Yeah. which is just Well, and it's like, there's a million Nazis on YouTube who are teaching children how to be Nazis, and even their parents can't stop them from from getting indoctrinated in that. like it's Let's not do that. It's crazy. You ever been to the World II The people aren't coming to convert your children, and the Nazis definitely are. like That's one of the biggest like failings in this generation, is that the the people that everyone tells you to be afraid of are not the people you should actually be afraid of. exactly exactly because you can't make someone gay trust me i've tried
00:43:17
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there's um uh she has a gay she uh so um uh katie moriarty uh what is her name is it mary is that her name leader of the camp?
00:43:31
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The leader of the camp is... Yeah, it's Mary. Okay, so Mary has a son, Rock, who is extremely gay. So gay. And he's got one of those bubble butts. One of those bubble butts that you just want to bite. just want go he and RuPaul are eye-fucking each other throughout the whole movie. and Constantly. like like he's He's always dancing and like doing suggestions. Yeah, and I also...
00:43:57
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can I say something I don't know if you were also thrown off but there's one scene where rock is weed whacking and dancing to his music and he's got a weed whacker out it's a RuPaul song that he's dancing to is it really oh my god I love that um the um the uh subtitle said it yeah ah ah Well, he's like dancing and then he at one point does a skip it move with the weed whacker to which I then freaked out going, oh my God, don't do that with a weed whacker.
00:44:28
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What is wrong with you? I mean, I'm sure there wasn' i'm sure there wasn't a blade on the weed whacker for the actor doing it, but no yeah, in real life, you definitely shouldn't skip it with hey here's the thing. Do the kids listening to this know what skip it is?
00:44:42
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ah Hopefully it was a toy in the nineties. Yeah. So, Skip It was a piece of plastic that you put around your ankle. Kind of like a ball and chain kind of situation, but it was rigid. Yeah. It had thing. had the problem with the ball in the end that would sing songs. Yeah.
00:45:04
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Yeah. yeah And you would spin it on your on your left ankle and jump over it with your right foot. It was like a one-legged jump rope that was attached to your ankle. How do you describe a skippet? This sounds insane. I know, that's so hard. It's like, you know, take one of those little tops from a Coke can and Say you took that little like tabby top from a Coke can and you put put it all around your ankle, but like made it big and put it around your ankle and then made- If you want your ankle to have red circles around it for weeks.
00:45:44
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any um It was a lot of fun. I loved my neighbors. I didn't have Skippet. My friends. And it would count it would count how many times you did it. and like it's yeah no It was super fun. It was just yeah it was a little painful. I mean, I guess, surely, do they still make Skippet? Surely they've they've upgraded the technology. But also, like you could always wear socks. Were you doing a Skippet without socks on?
00:46:06
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i mean, no is still, no, I was definitely doing it with socks on. They still make Skippet, it looks like. Hell yeah. Skip it is a children's toy invented in the 60s?
00:46:17
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No way. yeah Okay, the most popular variants were manufactured by Tiger Electronics in the 80s and 90s. Okay, so the original one is just a ball on a string.
00:46:28
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See here. the The electronic one that played music and counted for you was in the 90s. Okay. Through its advertisements on Nickelodeon. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah.
00:46:40
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Oh my god, now I want to buy Skip it.
00:46:45
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can still buy them? looks like have cushion on it now. Oh, that's good. Yeah. as long as it gets kids out of the house and, you know, away from their TikToks. Yeah, exactly.
00:46:57
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get Let's get Skip It trending on TikTok. Right? go Go do Skip It, kids. go go Go outside. Do a Skip It. um Also, I'm from Tennessee. I didn't wear shoes or socks in the summer ever. What are you talking about?
00:47:11
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Ow.
00:47:14
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owie how do we not all have tetanus um uh so yeah then they are there's Sinead who is shocking herself it appears that she's shocking her her crotch like oh yeah well steve she says from the get-go that she's really into self like pain pain yeah pain turns her on and so the whole like methodology of the personal shocker for anytime you have inappropriate thoughts it's just a sex toy for her Yeah, yeah. She appears to be shocking her clit while masturbating and thinking of Graham because she's super into Graham. Yeah. Oh, she's super into Graham, which problematic. How can you not be? Like, yeah Graham is so cool. Graham is so hot.
00:47:56
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Yeah. But it creates drama for later. Yeah. So yeah, there's different girls here. Melanie Linsky is is honestly a minor character. Like, she gives her the tour at the front, but that's pretty at the beginning, but that's pretty much it. She's like in the background, like licking her lips.
00:48:13
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Yeah, she is.
00:48:18
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There's this super butch girl who has like a mustache and ah like a shaved mohawk. Yeah. And she's like, at the end, it's she has this pretty great gag, but she's like, I'm not gay. i just look like this. Yeah, I know.
00:48:32
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i want wiener. i want wiener just because I like softball and i i don't like dresses doesn't mean that I'm gay. Which is like, I think that's so funny. I think that's such like a well-observed little gay joke to put in this. um they And then there's Sinead, who's like super goth and likes pain, and Graham, who is like the most resistant to the the program and is the most like, she's the only one who curses. She's the only one who, she's like smoking cigarettes and talking about how much she likes eating pussy. Yeah.
00:49:11
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And a lot of it is because she's, you know, ah not spoiled little rich girl, but like she, her parents are loaded. um Well, her mom her dad and her stepmom, her dad is loaded and her dad sent her here because um they caught her and her friend doing it.
00:49:27
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And he said that he'll cut her off and um won't, like, pay for her college if she's gay. And so um you have to, but you're led to believe that, like, she has that whole um sort of stereotype of the ignored child of super wealthy parents of where she's sort of like an afterthought and so she does all of this ah and like she her swearing and her smoking and her like um going against authority is all sort of like a tactic to be like look at me hello i'm a person yeah exactly yeah
00:50:04
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Um, they, uh, and then they, they do a bunch of, uh, of gender activities.
Detailed plot analysis and resolution
00:50:10
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Yep. A lot of gender activities, which apparently, which is all like stereotypical, like 1950s. So women do all the cleaning and, um,
00:50:20
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i'm led to believe you're not led to believe the cooking just the cleaning because they don't do any cooking and like doing any cooking yeah yeah which i thought was actually surprising um and it's just a lot of them on the floor with like a toothbrush cleaning and changing dresses and opera gloves yeah yes right um they They have these ridiculous outfits All the the girls are wearing pink The boys are wearing blue of course Of course um The boys are changing the oil It has this Cut where RuPaul is like Thrusting while he's like doing something Under the car and all the boys are just staring at him And then it cuts back to What are the girls doing at that point It's the same thing it's like up and down And in and out Yeah it's the cleaning Are they vacuuming is that what they're doing it's vacuuming and the lady is the lady from casper is like demonstrating it a la ghost style um oh yeah yeah yeah yeah sort of give the impression of like like you know a dildo yeah yeah get um and then they're they put they there're they're they're trying on wedding dresses yeah the boys are chopping wood Every set. Yeah, they did it.
00:51:37
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It's like combat training. It's ridiculous. And they're all like the fruitiest, like boy like they're all squealing and running and skipping. And like, listen, when gay people make fun of themselves, it's okay to do this. have to emphasize like.
00:51:56
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It's okay for them to do this. It's not okay for other people to do this. Even though most of these actors are straight, I'm giving them a pass. I think that Clay Duvall might be the only actual gay person with the kids.
00:52:16
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You're right. Melanie Linsky and Natasha Lyonne and Catherine Town are all straight. I don't know about i don't know about the other the other girls. i didn't look any i did that It's like I looked everybody up. but yeah Dante Basco and Kit Pardue are both straight, I believe.
00:52:31
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Oh. um Paul's gay. That one guy that one guy's got to be gay, right? the That one guy's got to be gay. The actor, singer, dancer, performer, and homosexual? Yes. There's no way. There's no way. There's no way that guy's not gay.
00:52:46
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Right? Unless that's our bias. Yeah. I'm not going to look it up. I choose to believe. um They're having a lot of fun doing this. Yeah, exactly.
00:52:57
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they Then they they talk about trying to find their root, which is this deeply homophobic concept that there's something that turned them gay in their childhood. yep Which is like, my mother got married in pants.
00:53:10
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I went to an all-girl boarding school. I was born in France. Yes. I had a traumatic bris. It's
00:53:22
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all so dumb. um uh the the boys are playing football and rock is over there like uh masturbating a rake or something he's got a chainsaw it's ridiculous yeah and like all the outfits are so homoerotic like the girls one point are just in like purple lingerie and the boys are in like teeny tiny blue shorts with a see-through um football ballll jersey it's like mesh yeah yeah um Oh yeah so sorry this is step two Rediscovering your gender identity yeah Yes yeah There's also a rad split diopter shot ah Where she's on the phone with her her Parents and the and Kathy Moriarty is Is in focus in the back Love to see a split diopter Then we have Katie's cinematic corner
00:54:15
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um Step three is family therapy where we meet all of their terrible parents. This is where we meet Clea Duvall's dad. We don't meet Melanie Leninsky's because they're in New Zealand.
00:54:26
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They're in New Zealand. Clea Duvall's terrible dad is like throwing F-slurs and ah telling her no college, no car, no trust fund.
00:54:39
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yeah And so... then um so Natasha Lyonne says that her route is when her dad was unemployed and her mom had to like get a job to and to like support the family. and Kathy Moriarty is like, ah, yes, she shouldn't have had to do that. You have no respect for your father. This festering wound. And her dad's like, i I mean, I got another job. It's fine. I got another, I got a better job and it's fine. It was only for nine months. Yeah.
00:55:10
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um and then a paper airplane comes into the yard yeah uh that's like it doesn't have to be like this you can you can do this and i i have to believe that this is a real thing that happens uh there are like gay activists that try to infiltrate and rescue kids from gay conversion camps i i really i hope that that happens a lot at least Yeah, it probably doesn't feel like the like peewee football feeling of these two camps against each other, but. Probably not. No, no, no. I imagine it's much scarier in real life. It's a lot scarier. Yeah, yeah. Versus the like, I just, I want to see the prequel with um Mary and lloyd and Lloyd and see like, what is their backstory? Like, were they married? And then he found out he was gay. um Like what, they obviously have like, history there they seem like they used to like be best friends like what's the history yeah yeah um ah they um she writes a cheer for them uh god is good god is straight um
00:56:19
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And then they say inverts, we will be no more, which is crazy. Like inverts is this like extremely old homophobic term. Like, that yourre it's like that it's the idea like this, like, you know, um you know, fake science concepts that like your sexual desire is inverted towards yourself. And that's why like it's a like homosexuality as selfishism pretty much. Oh, that whole idea of like you just love yourself so much that you just want to have sex with yourself.
00:56:48
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yeah yeah or it's specifically like there's more like to it than that but yeah it's the term invert was like a homophobic term from like the 50s yeah oh um and now she's uh she's starting to get a crush on graham because they've been paired together and are spending time together yeah it's a real enemies to lovers here mm-hmm Real enemies me.
00:57:10
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She is, ah she goes to, she sneaks out to masturbate um and catches Dolph and Clayton, Kit Pardue and Dante Vasco making out and it immediately stitches on them like a little bitch. Right? Which I'm just like, girl, you were just masturbating to the thought of Graham and now you're lashing out.
00:57:34
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Like, what is wrong with you? And she like, she squeals and she says like a bunch of really offensive like insults about them making out. Like I think she says, oh gross, gross, gross. um Like something along those lines, which I'm just like, girl, are you just projecting?
00:57:49
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Like what is going on? She's definitely projecting. That's exactly what's happening. Yeah. um So she snitches on them. Dolph gets thrown out. um And Kit Pardue gets to go live in a literal doghouse. Yeah, which um Charlie, that's what I said, and Charlie turned to me and he goes, oh, it's a Wendy house. And I was like, no, it's a dog house. He's like, no, it's a Wendy house.
00:58:12
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What the fuck is a Is that some kind of British expression? I was like, is are all dog houses in the yeah UK called Wendy houses? He goes, no, dog houses are smaller. That's like a little like house for a child. And I go, oh, you mean like a playhouse? He goes, yeah, we call them Wendy houses because of Peter Pan.
00:58:28
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Does Wendy have a clubhouse in Peter Pan? Yeah, they build her a Wendy house. There's a whole song about it in the musical. Oh, in the, in Neverland, not at her house. Okay, yeah. No, no, no, no. It's a Wendy house. Yeah, she has a Wendy house. You're right, you're right. Which i thought was very sweet and charming, and I was like, okay, it's forever a Wendy house.
00:58:45
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No, it's a playhouse. Um... then we have step four demystifying the opposite sex which again they're back to the 1950s like there's a slideshow of 1950s gender roles which is just cut and paste of like like really bad like cut and paste uh pictures of like not real people do it and she's like has this whole story about it i was like why not just like find some generic like old pictures why are you making this so fake Yeah. But I guess that's the point.
00:59:17
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There's this bit where they, um Graham and Megan, are are sitting next to each other with her arms crossed. And, like, she's very lightly, like, touching her and then, like, leans her fingers onto her arm, which is, like, that's such, like, a like a classic, like, high school, like, old-fashioned crush kind of thing. But Heidi, we're just like, to see that I'm not gonna move my hand if you don't move your hand.
00:59:40
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Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. And if I don't breathe... yeah exactly exactly yeah no um and they talk about it and um they're talking about their like their lives back at home and and we find out that like she says she she doesn't have any friends like she is like completely alone and and natasha leone's like well i thought i had friends and she's like oh did they know you're here and she's like uh yeah yeah they're the ones that snitched on me Yeah, yeah. They have this rose-shaped sponge that they're using to like clean these glasses. It's so yonic. It's ridiculous. Oh my god.
01:00:19
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But like also, where can I get one of those? Yeah, right. It looks like it works out. yeah i Yeah, I need a bottle brush. like it's I've had them before, and like you they just go bad so quickly. You gotta to throw them out and get new ones. um And then they sneak out.
01:00:35
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Yeah, and then they sneak out. They sneak out to go to um the classic gay bar name, ah Cocksucker. That's right.
01:00:46
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When I was in New York, there there was a gay bar called Cock that I went to. Really? Yeah, in, is it in the East Village? and no it was on like Second Avenue. um I guess it was sort of East Village. um ah It's very nice to be called Cock.
01:01:02
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talk i mean like the the closest i've gotten is in in uh soho in london there's a famous gay bar that i used to go to called g-a-y and i was like why don't we just call it gay yeah but it's g-a-y This, I mean, this didn't say, it just had a picture of a rooster on the outside. It didn't say, like, cock on it. It was just that Oh, okay. as was say, no, Katie, in the movie, there's a giant sign that says cocksucker. No, no, no, no. The actual bar, I don't know if it's still there. um ah There's also, i mean, in terms of of New York gay bars that I went to when I was in my early 20s, Sugar Land in Brooklyn was by far the best one.
01:01:40
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Oh, nice. What was I saying? ah We're at Coxsucker. Oh, right. Yeah, so this is when we meet Larry and Lloyd, who were um ah ex ex-gays who were at the um the conversion camp at some at one point and now are living together and... ah love each other and love and they they take them to uh to the gay bar cocksucker and they just want them to know that there's like an alternative way they don't have to convert to being straight if they want to be who they want to be here is what life could be yeah and that is that is something that they they specifically lay out it's like we're not trying to convert you to being gay because yeah nobody does that we're just yeah trying to let we're just showing you that there's another way to live and you should be yourself um uh
01:02:30
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And ah Julie Delpy shows Julie Delpy is there with no lines. Yeah. um This is the same year. no no. This is after Before Sunrise. Before Sunrise is like 97, I think. so she's She's just a featured extra in this.
01:02:46
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She's there. Yeah. she She asked her. No, she does. that She asked her to dance. She has a line. Yeah. Oh, okay. One line. Yeah. She asked her to dance and she's like, no, no, I can't. She's like, and Clay Duvall's like, go dance with her. And so she goes to dance with her and then Clay Duvall dances with Sinead and she grabs her ass and makes Megan jealous. Yep. And Megan runs off and Clay Duvall runs after her. And then they have that whole like tête-à-tête out behind the bar of like, why are you so upset? What's going on? And and she just, and well, you were doing that on purpose and I was doing what on purpose? I just don't understand. na And then they make out.
01:03:23
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And then she stops and she's like, I'm not supposed to like you. And then she goes, but she goes, I want to do that again. and then they make out some more. Yeah. yeah um And then we cut to that one guy doing dead drops. in the Yes.
01:03:35
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So good. So good with his little boa. And then Sinead is pissed. um because but She's had, has a giant crush on Graham.
01:03:46
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Yeah. And she catches that Graham and Megan making out. And so she's just like, well, woof. Now, what I believe happened is that Sinead took the matchbox from cocksucker and put it under um ah Graham's bed. That would be Okay.
01:04:04
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Yeah. Because why would she why would anybody keep the matchbox intentionally unintentionally? I think that that's exactly what happened. um So Mary finds the matchbox for cocksucker under Graham's bed and is immediately like...
01:04:18
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all right, so, you know, we're gonna kick y'all out. Like, what happened? You have to tell us. Um, and she, so she, but, uh, Graham distracts them. It's like, i have I have a crush on Joel. Yeah. Um, and then he says, my cock-sucking days are over, which I love. Yeah.
01:04:38
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Um, And ah this is when her parents are there and her mom tells her, like, you, if you decide to be gay, you can't come home. Like, you can't live that lifestyle under our roof. you' You'd be choosing to cut us out of your life if that's what you choose, which is such a... Just a horrible... Classic, like, anti-gay sentiment that was very prevalent and very real and and still is for a lot of people, unfortunately.
01:05:07
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Um, uh, and then they, they go to protest outside Larry and Lloyd's house. They're, they're, yeah, so they're, they're picketing, um, the, uh, the couple and, and we, this is when we see that they've taken, it they've taken in a kid. Um, um, and that's, that we learned that that's kind of what they do. Um, because they're angels. Uh, because they're angels and they're sweet, they're just sweet, sweet, sweet old gays who, all of these, um,
01:05:37
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kids that they take in are like their children yeah yeah it's bull from night court which means nothing to me but i imagine that some people have seen the television show night court uh and he was one of the main characters on it so there you go okay the only thing i know about night court is that kenneth recreated an episode of 30 rock im thirty rocks yeah i can't because there's a full moon yeah It's an 80s sitcom that I am too young to have seen. um They're pretending to flirt with the boys. This is when one of the guys, I think it's Joel, says, I feel like the aggressor, like, happily.
01:06:17
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Yes! It's so Oh, and Joel, whenever um Graham goes with some cake to Joel and he goes, ah, just there's just so much stuff that I keep forgetting about being straight. Like, get her some cake.
01:06:29
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Get her some cake. Yes.
01:06:34
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And they go step five, which is simulated sexual lifestyle. Yep. And they have to they they have to do everything. they They chop wood. They have to clean the floor. they have to change the oil. They play football. They have a tea party. and They have to write an essay about their root.
01:06:52
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Yep. It's just like one big test. It's like the SATs for being straight. This is when Andre, the the gayest boy, gets sent home. Cause he just like, doesn't, he doesn't pass and it's really sad and he's so upset. And I'm like, Oh buddy. Yeah. And Joel is, is like, um, like trying to defend him. And he goes, uh, the last thing I need is some fruit who just proved he's straight telling me how sexy I am. Yes. Congratulations. Liars. You know who you are and you know what you want and nobody's going to change that shift.
01:07:28
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Um, and then Graham and Megan have sex. Yep. And then they have sex and they get caught. To a song called Glass Vase kelloque Cello Case, which is extremely sapphic.
01:07:41
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Right? um And it's like they're under the covers and like they're lit from like like a flashlight. It's it's it's very sweet. yeah That's very, very sweet. And it's a lot of just like, here's her elbow, here's her knee. Very in like late early
01:07:59
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sex scene yeah sex yeah yeah and she tells her i've never felt like that before except when i was cheerleading uh cheerleading's the one thing that kept me happy just um and she goes uh don't you think i'm jealous that you love something which is very sad oh poor graham um and then what happens emma oh and then um they get caught because what's her face is a jealous biatch um and they have to get their parents brought in and she's just like okay well if you um oh crap what is what does she say to them that they have to say to her that like okay so you're gonna get kicked out and your parents won't take you so you'll be on your own fuck you yes um unless you stay and do the partner simulation with rock and she's like oh yeah
01:08:53
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I don't think that's going to work. And it cuts to him dancing with the weed whacker to RuPaul. This is the weed whacker scene where he's doing the skip it to the weed whacker to where I was whoa. Yeah. Watch out. ah and yeah And yeah. And so then she she obviously offers it also to Clea Duvall. And so Megan turns her down and she gets kicked out and she ends up at um Lloyd's to where Rufio's there. And he's just like, this is actually the best thing that's ever happened to me. Like, I'm comfortable with myself. The guys are really nice. Like, I get my own room. um And, like, I don't have to do all of the nonsense things that we had to do at True Directions. Like, it's it's really great. They're going to help me until I can, like, get back up on my feet and um survive on my own.
01:09:39
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And ah then um Megan's just sort of like, she's so upset because... Clea Deval, Graham, um as like she's leaving with her bags, she passes her and her parents and um she sees that Graham chose to do the simulation with Rock versus leaving with her. And so she's heartbroken and alone because she feels like betrayed, obviously.
01:10:08
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um and so she's like, i just I know that I have to go save her. I know that we have to go save her. And so they they plan a heist. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:10:18
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um uh this is uh this also when um graham's father says this is why your mom graham's stepmother says this is why your mother left are you ready to lose your father yeah yeah jesus wolf jesus christ man And then ah the the highest, oh, then they have the simulation where they're both dressed like Adam and Eve in like little onesies with little like big leaves over their privates. Insane, insane. Yeah, and the girls have a flower their privates. What?
01:10:48
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And they just like go and lie on each other?
01:10:53
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ah Yeah, they they kind of like, um like are, and then they like simulate humping. It's crazy. It's absolutely insane. Yeah. Bizarre. And it's filmed, right? Because because what's her name has a camera. um Yeah, it is. Yeah.
01:11:09
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Yeah. Which you're just like, Jesus fucking Christ. um And then, ah and then it's graduation day. And ah Megan and Rufio have these little like, fatigues on these little baby blue fatigues and they're going to snatch back their loves and bring them back uh save them from a life of pretending to be straight and um yeah then what happens katie um uh they um foreplay is for sissies real men go in unload and pull out ah
01:11:48
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yes Megan is at uh cocksucker but she's too sad to dance they uh they have the graduation where they're all dressed absurdly like the absolutely in latex why is everything so shiny it's all latex it's so because it's like it's like latex yeah or yeah it's gotta be or pleather but it's just insane absolutely insane Yeah, it's it's wild. um ah They come to present their happy heterosexuals. um ah a um
01:12:24
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ah They're walking as as they're coming as grandma's coming down the aisle. um Megan grabs her and pulls her in. She's like, came to get you. She's like, I can't go anywhere. And then she goes back. Dolph and Clayton run off and start making out. And Megan's like, and I have to try again.
01:12:38
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Yeah. And so she she's just like she thinks of the one thing that she can do. And that's cheer. And so she goes and she puts on her cheerleading uniform. And as the ceremony is wrapping up, um she comes down the aisle in her cheerleading uniform and she does a cheer.
01:12:57
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um i didn't write down the cheer. Did you write down the cheer? now it's like, it's one, two, three, four. I won't, I won't take no anymore. Five, six, seven, eight. I want you to be my mate. Something like that. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:14
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not Not the most intelligent cheer, but it gets straight to the point. Yeah. um ah and um she And she says, I love you.
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01:13:25
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And then she Mary yells out after her, you will wallow in the swamp of your homosexual depravity for the rest of your life.
01:13:33
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um And then she runs off and gets in the back of a pickup truck and then... um ah Graham runs after but runs behind her and gets in there and they start making out in the truck drives away they making out so and that's the end of the movie yeah and then there's a there's a quick post-credit scene of a P flag meeting with Budcourt her dad saying that he's proud of his daughter which is very sweet and when her mom is embarrassed yeah yes but it did make me think of Heather's I love my dead gay son
01:14:10
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But it's ah it it isn't there there's a little bit there showing that you know her family does accept her, which which happens. I mean, like there are there are lots of of ways that that parents respond to your kid being queer. And a lot of times the people who respond the worst like can can change and become better people and like accept their kids. And sometimes they don't. And ah that's okay, too. um But it does it does happen. um I personally yeah know some people who whose parents like originally like were you know dealt horribly with them being queer, and now they're they're closer than ever. So it's it's certainly a possibility. And I appreciate that she gets that in this. Yeah, me too. um
01:14:57
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I was looking at differences in the director's cut, which is apparently what we watched. What would did you watch this on? ah We watched it on Hoopla. Or no, not Hoopla. Roku.
01:15:10
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Okay, so I don't know if you watched the director's cut or not. um ah did you You saw the sex scene, so my guess is that it was the director's cut. Because apparently the director's cut cut was the the sex scene was one of the main things that they added back in in the director's cut. They they original cut it out as a regular cut? it wasn't that they cut it out, it was just a little bit more blurry and a little bit less like kind of explicit. Yeah.
01:15:36
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im Also, did you see the scene where they're singing with the guitar? God is good. God is straight.
01:15:45
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No, I don't think. i okay so you didn't see the director's cut because that's the other one. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. um
01:15:58
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Yeah. um Yeah, there's also there's also another scene with the kids where they're talking to them. It says um latent homosexuals would have to rediscover their masculine and feminine side. Graham stands out for rejecting behavior and Mary says psycho gibberish is your only alternative. Otherwise, you'd have to kill yourself, basically.
01:16:19
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so there's like little bits like that. Also, the the video that they show them is much is the much longer in the director's cut. Oh. So, yeah, I watched the director's cut for sure. I guess you saw the... Yeah, them no the theatrical release. That's so interesting. It doesn't seem like there's there's a lot of differences, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
01:16:41
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And it still, I still knew it was a sex scene. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. But it is, it is, um I mean, there's no nudity in it, but it's definitely more, like, explicit. Like, she's, like, kissing her thighs and has her head between her legs and stuff, you oh okay yeah oh no wait i saw her kissing her thighs and having her head okay anyways um so charlie's corner charlie's corner charlie's corner here charlie's corner hi governor i he
01:17:16
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doesn't like joy um i knew that already about him
01:17:22
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It's not that he doesn't like the gays. Charlie loves the gays. He just didn't particularly care for this movie. And I think it's because he doesn't understand this level of late 2000s or late 90s, early 2000s indie camp. I don't think he was raised on John Waters and... um um what's his name, Twin Peaks guy and all of that. I don't i just don't think that he gets it. And so he just was like, I don't understand this. What's happening? Like at one point he was like, why are they Gorsets? I was like, it's a satire!
01:17:59
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um He has just texted me. He said, it is very much of its time. That is what it, yep. Very much And responding, you are very much of your time.
01:18:15
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I just don't think that he got the satire. So yeah that's my personal preference. So we're going to put this in a tally. Charlie has terrible opinions on movies. We're going to put this in ah in a and a negative tally for Charlie's Tasted Movies. um He says he would have enjoyed it when it came out. He says it felt dated watching it for the first time in 2026. Well, it is 27 years old. I don't know what to tell you.
01:18:38
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Yeah. We'll put this we'll put this in in the negative for Charlie's taste in movies, just like his- Along with other masterpieces like Moonstruck and The Princess Bride. Princess Bride.
01:18:51
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And his love for The Decoy Bride and the B-movie. Insane.
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01:18:57
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Insane takes. Ha ha!
01:19:01
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um uh what are we watching next next week emma next week we are going to do a relatively new film that i've wanted to watch for a while um it is got love of my life um gay icon on jonathan groff in it uh it is a nice indian boy oh i don't i haven't seen that I'm very excited. It is apparently really good. apparently really cute. so Great.
01:19:30
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Good night.
01:20:19
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And I'm Katie, and today we are talking about the 1999 movie, But I'm a Cheerleader. And i have to blow my nose, I'm so sorry. Cult classic.
01:20:31
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That's okay. It is a cult classic. Cult classic. Cult classic. Cult classic.
01:20:44
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Cult classic. Cult classic. cult classic cult classic great job vamping by the way called ah but I didn't know what else to say