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Jerry Maguire
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Emma had a rough time with this one. Maybe it's because she accidentally watched the TV edit. Maybe it's her pathological hatred for the lead actor. Maybe it's just not that great of a movie. Nah, couldn't be that. We show people the money, we complete you, you had us at hello. All of that and more as we follow the asshole who wants to be good, Jerry Maguire.
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Reflecting on the Podcast's Beginnings
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Yeah, it's hot and it's gross and everything's terrible, including. Certainly true. True, true of the. um God, we when did we start this? Oh, no, we started this podcast. It's a year before he got elected, actually. know ah Yeah, because I remember. Oh, yeah, I remember because when he got elected the second time I was in rehearsals for the fucking train. Yeah.
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And it was the day after and everyone was real upset and sad, rightfully so. And were just all sitting there
Post-Election Reactions and Struggles
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and director was like, I don't understand why everyone's real upset.
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And I was like, really? Really? Really? Maybe we should have canceled rehearsal. What a loser. Yeah, we canceled our episode.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I think I even like we canceled it the following week. I even put out like a mini episode saying things are terrible. Emma and Katie aren't doing so well. Yeah. We're fine, but like not fine.
Discussion on 'Send Help' and Media Portrayals
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And that continues to be true.
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That continues to be true. Oh, have you seen Send Help? Yes. ah Charlie and I finally watched it the other night. Yeah, it's good. it's it's it's really It's really fun. I like how violent it is.
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I do too. um i did have to cover my eyes a couple of times. Yeah. There was um several moments that we just started realizing that Rachel McAdams started getting hotter as the movie went on and she was like potentially like grosser. you know And she also like left her on for way too long.
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I would have taken that bra off first thing. She still had her bra on like a month in. I mean, yeah, that's fair. Sometimes i I come home and it's been like hours and I suddenly realize I'm like, why am I still wearing a bra? What's wrong with me?
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Like, wrong with me usually it's the first thing off as it come in the door, but sometimes I forget. I mean, i
Body Image and Beauty Standards
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don't know. It's interesting. Like she doesn't have like, huge boobs because like i understand like if you have huge boobs sometimes like especially if you're moving around you need you need to keep your bra on but like yeah yeah you're right exactly yeah yeah and like i texted my friends robert and kelsey about this and kelsey was like emma and you as a member of the uh itty bitty titty committee uh but as someone with larger bosoms
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You're in the medium titty squad, Emma. The medium titty squad. The hands full squad. Exactly.
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Just a little, just a little handful. One for each.
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Like you do. Itty bitty titty committee. Famously featured in today's film. No, not really.
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I've never thought about
Height Perceptions and Clothing Challenges
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Renee Zellweger's breasts come to think of it. I suppose they're small. I think of them all the time. Yes. They're so small. I think about them all the time. It's crazy.
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Every time I see her in this, in Chicago. like i get that Chicago is the first thing I thought of. when you As soon as you said that, I thought, yeah, I guess she does have a small boot. Never, never, never considered Renee Zellweger's boobs.
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not even in this movie like in that black dress she's a little bored gave me unrealistic beauty standards
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she's very small in general yes like she's a teeny tiny little baby five three or something yeah yeah yeah which is good because the protagonist in this was played by tom cruise correct yes you need yeah she's five three nailed it yeah how tall is how tall he's like me okay so he's listed i think i think he's list hold on let's see tom tom cruise height he is listed at five seven which means he's probably about five five because men always add two inches to their listed height men act male actors uh always add two inches to their listed height and women always subtract two inches like
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Unless
Podcasting Reflections and Social Media Strategy
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you're Nicole Kidman or Brooke Shields and you're not fooling anybody. Yep. Pretty much all every every everyone all actors lie about their their listed height. Yeah. One way or another. Yep. One way or another. um Although I would never have the desire to because I'm very proud of my 5'8 stance.
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I thought you were No, I'm i'm very v Oh, there you go. Yeah. But I give off the attitude that I'm 5'9, right? Yeah.
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Well, because I remember one time we were hanging out and you were wearing heels and you were like almost almost even taller than me. So those must been very tall heels. They were my s Sabrina Carpenter boots and it's when we went and saw Two Girls, One Ghost. I remember that exact moment. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was my first time wearing them out. was like, Emma, thank you for wearing these heels. I appreciate it Um... I love my Sabrina. That's true friendship. Yeah.
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Yeah. They're great shoes. And it makes everybody else feel like dwarves and jealous. Well, mean, imagine when I wear heels, like I wear heels very rarely, but like that puts me at like, you know, six, two, six, three. And that's, that's uncomfortable.
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Although like there are so many tall women in this neighborhood, like at work, women who are taller than me come in regularly like just really it's crazy well there's the the woman who lives in my building is like six six or something it's crazy she's so tall she gets these packages in the in the you know in the mailroom downstairs and they're from american tall which is a very expensive website for very tall women yes i love that because i checked it out and i'm like no that's too expensive for me
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But they're so tall. It's for tall people. You're in the tall girl club. yeah I do. I do realize that sometimes I am. I am lucky to only be, you know, very tall and not extremely tall.
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Yeah. Because I can find clothes that fit me. And, you know, if you're 6'6 as a woman, you probably can't. Yeah. And the amount of jokes that probably people throw at you about how you should be playing basketball.
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Yeah. Yeah. Probably gets very obnoxious. but You know, on my two sisters are both around my height, um and none of us were good at at at basketball, um much to the chagrin of my father.
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Yes. As we've mentioned on this podcast multiple times, Katie Spales had all attempts. Oh, have we? Yes. Oh, yeah. I don't remember. Like like I said, like sometimes I'll talk to somebody, like a friend who's like ah like mentioned something I said on the podcast. like I don't remember that. like As soon as we stop recording, I immediately forget everything I said.
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Hey, sometimes it's for the best. Which means that I could go back and like listen to it if I wanted to, and it's like a whole new thing. yeah Exactly. It's a fun little surprise. She's like, oh my god, did that come out of my mouth? Allegedly.
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we're so funny we are so funny we're a hoot and a half um we came up on my boss's um instagram like real the other day like she was scrolling and she was like you guys popped up for the first time and i was just like great that means i need to be doing more work and cutting more clips fabulous so excited for me
Exploring 'Jerry Maguire' and Its Themes
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Yeah, well, you know.
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You know, the world has to know how hilarious we are. And I'm sorry. going to put a little work in. i know. I've been, you know, I've been the reason that the world hasn't been laughing at our jokes in this trying time.
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Well, I mean, I'm not on Instagram at all, so I feel like it's partially my fault as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shouldering the brunt of this. Yeah, but I feel a responsibility for it.
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I feel it. i feel i feel it in my soul. I need to give the people what they want. And that's more clips of us going through the B-movie fanfiction. Oh my god. Surely not more.
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Surely there's only the one clip of us going through the B-movie fanfiction. But there could be more.
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I am disappointed slash... pleased that the p-movie episode is not our least listened to episode nor is it our most listened to episode it is not our most listened to episode is now anyone but you i know who would have thought and then i don't know or de pleuve or whatever the um audric to toe movie is like coming in at second that one once has like lots of listeners did you say o de pleuve don't worry about it
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Which to me sounds like water of pepper. but
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No, like our. yeah, yeah. de prie. Yeah, uh-huh. Yep. Priceless. um Or de prix would be priceless without price. Or de prix.
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No, too much price, yeah. Overpriced, yeah. Or de prix. Ah. Amazing. um Money.
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Famously featured. Showing money to people. Showing oweing someone money. yeah Showing someone currency. Yes. ah That's right, guys. This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie are two athletes. Oh.
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Not who I thought you would pick for us. We're two athletes. No, or, no, Emma and Katie... and Katie's sister slash mom is an accountant for a big ah athletic agency. Hold on. You said sister slash mom?
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yeah So are you casting us as Bonnie Hunt and Jonathan Lipnicki in this? Yep. Yes, I am Fair enough. Would you like to be Bonnie Hunt? I'll be Jonathan Lipnicki.
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It's fine. Either one's fine. they're both They're both the best characters in this movie. um Anyways, and so she she's working for this big agency, and ah this guy that she works with, ah who's much higher up than her, writes a little memo, and... It's a mission statement.
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Sorry. Mission statement. Whatever. And eventually, because of it, gets fired and asks who's coming with me. And for some insane reason, because we're secretly in love with him, we decide, or our mom's going decide that she's going to quit her lucrative accounting job with health insurance and go work for this man who doesn't have a company yet and don't worry about it. And along the way, i guess we kind of
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fall in love but like not really that believable but we get married anyways and then he complains about it well doesn't complain about it but he doesn't act like he wants to be married because he's a dick and also cuba gooding is there and is there he's a football player oscar for this movie it's a very iconic performance i know it is a very iconic performance and i'm not saying that he didn't deserve an oscar for his portrayal in this movie the fact that this movie curated any oscar wins is insane to me uh absolutely insane um he was up again okay so the nominees for best supporting actor in 1997 uh arman mueller stall for shine sure okay
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Edward Norton for Primal Fear. Crazy performance. Like, yeah iconic performance. James Woods in Ghosts of Mississippi. and William H. Macy in Fargo. And Cuba Gooding Jr. for Jerry Maguire. Did you beat Fargo? probably would have voted for William H. Macy in Fargo. Yeah. I mean, Fargo won Best Picture that year. i mean, this was the race, though. It was Fargo versus Jerry Maguire for Best Picture. 100%.
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Absolutely insane. This was... Absolutely insane. Yeah, it would those were the two favorites. Yeah. I understand Fargo, 1000%. Love Fargo. yeah um But yeah, we'll get into my issues with this film as we go on. um But yeah, that's right, guys. I'm Emma.
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And I'm Katie. And of course, today we are talking about the 1996 rom-com drama, Jerry Maguire. Show me the money.
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Written and directed by Cameron Crowe. And this is our first Cameron Crowe. um I imagine what are there you'll probably do every Cameron Crowe movie. You think?
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I mean, Almost Famous. Wait, he didn't do camp Almost Famous, did He did, yeah. Almost Famous is a masterpiece. Yeah, Almost Famous is a masterpiece. Absolutely, 1,000%. And everything else he did is garbage.
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Absolutely not. um He did, well, he didn't direct, but he wrote Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Oh, okay. I'll let him off. I like that movie. He did Say Anything, which is classic rom-com. He did Singles, um which is the only one I haven't seen, but is a classic 90s rom-com.
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um And then he did, what did he do? Oh, Vanilla Sky. He did Vanilla Sky, which we won't be doing. yeah That's the only one that's not a rom-com, really. Didn't he do A Beautiful Mind?
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No, that's Ron Howard. Oh, okay.
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um He did, and then he did a Bunch of Garbage. He made Almost Famous in 2000, A Masterpiece. And then nothing to but garbage since. He did Elizabethtown, which is oh yeah total trash. But we will be on this podcast because it is movie. to talk about Elizabethtown on this movie. is Yeah, we have to. a point yeah um And then he did we Bought a Zoo, which I have not seen. ah And we've mentioned a few times. Yeah, because Aline Brosh McKenna co-wrote it with him. Yeah, and I get it confused with Zookeeper's Wife.
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Right, yes, big difference. Almost no Nazis in We Bought a Zoo. um Very few, if any, Nazis in We Bought a Zoo. And then, of course, he did the trash fire that ruined his career, Aloha.
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Ah, yes. I have seen Aloha. Yeah. avoone A movie starring Bradley Cooper,
Character Dynamics and Growth in 'Jerry Maguire'
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Rachel McAdams, and Emma Stone, and is apparently awful.
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It's terrible. Bad acting, or good acting, can't save that film. It really is a case study in it doesn't matter how talented your actors are, if you don't have a good screenwriter, you're gonna fail. Yeah, 100%. I mean, again, yeah, three of the most charming actors of this generation in that movie couldn't save that um from also like emma stone is cast as an asian person let's just not forget well like like third or fourth generation but still still not problematic still yes yeah uh but her last name is ing emma
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I'm not saying that it and it was okay. I'm just saying that, you know, it was both, it wasn't like she was a first gen, Emma Stone was cast as a Korean American. Sure, sure, yeah.
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Yeah, ah which would be insane. I remember watching that movie and being angry as well. So this tracks, Cameron Crowe. The only one you didn't do this to was Almost Famous because that's one of my favorite films of all time.
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Yeah. Almost Famous. um So here's the difference between like Jerry Maguire and Almost Famous, this because in some ways they're very similar. And a lot of Cameron Crowe movies are same thing with Say Anything. Like these, he writes about people who, he writes about men who suck.
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Yep. And about how like you can not suck. I rewatched The Good Place recently. And one of the things that they talk about on that is like, you know, you don't have to like be a perfect person. Like you have to try to be better and trying to be better is what humanity is all about. Right. Yeah. And I feel like that is a recurring theme in these movies. Now, the question I think that some people have is whether or not the movie knows that this guy sucks. Yeah.
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Yeah. That's the thing. But, I feel like it's pretty strong. There's pretty strong case that this movie knows that he sucks in the in this. Yeah, but then like at one point, it's trying to make you think that he doesn't suck.
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And it's just, I don't know. He makes a lot of, all of his choices that he makes are just stupid. They're just so stupid. And I think that a large part of my opinions with this film, I will put a disclaimer here, is that I just don't like Tom Cruise.
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I don't like him. To me. And I really do. I really don't like him. He makes me insane. yeah ah He is a horrible human. ah Hold on. Hold on. Allegedly.
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Name a nava Tom Cruise movie that you like.
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There's gotta be a Tom Cruise movie that you like. <unk>s None of the Mission Impossible. Wait, have you not seen even seen the Mission in Impossible movies? I've seen Mission Impossible, but like it's not like I'm going to willingly put it on. They're so good.
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Almost all of them are so good. Let's see. Have seen Top Gun Maverick? Top Gun Maverick rules. No. That's so good, Emma. Let's see. What other movies? What about Magnolia?
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no You don't like it or haven't seen it I've never seen it. ah oh man these movies make me want to rip my eyes out wait edge of tomorrow edge of tomorrow masterpiece i enjoyed tropic thunder and i enjoyed rock of ages so okay so two of the worst ones interesting um tropic thunder is not one of the worst ones tropic thunder is just one of the the the ones that couldn't make today interview with a vampire i love interview with a vampire one of the worst ones easily yes fair enough
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Hold on. Have you really not seen Edge of Tomorrow with Emily Blunt? No. But I know it's it's on my it's on my list. It's on my list. So good. Yeah. Oh, I think I liked Risky Business when I first saw it.
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Risky Business is good. Yeah. Hold on. What about... ah Yeah. I mean...
Film's Climax, Iconic Lines, and Emotional Resolution
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it's uh i really like a lot of these movies i i think he's very charming i think he's a really great movie star um i don't know if he's like one of our finest actors or anything and i understand that you know he's related heavily to a problematic allegedly evil cult that hurts people yep um so that that that's that's that's totally um understandable Yeah, I think that it's just like, I believe that Tom Cruise went to this acting school of um the, you know, the inflatable.
00:19:57
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He didn't go to acting school at all. No, but if he had, he went to the acting school for inflatable balloon people that you see at car washes.
00:20:09
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Oh, you mean the like these guys? like Yeah. Yeah. so yeah he's i think he's been I think he's been good. I think he's good i think he's good in this movie. um I think he's great in Magnolia. um I think that he has some really good performances. um There are definitely some other rom-coms that we can do on this on this podcast where we can continue to torture you with Tom Cruise.
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Ugh! It's fine. It's just like, it's just like the combination between this guy sucking, our main character guy sucking, making terrible, terrible choices, like with no, he's making decisions with like no reason behind them just because he thinks it's the quote unquote right thing to do um But really it's the wrong thing to do And then, yeah,
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and if and On top of that, it's played by alleged trash human Tom Cruise. I was just like, this could also be the beginnings of a pedophilic love story. Like, why is he so much more in love with Johnny Lipinski Renee Seliger? Like, what is happening there? That's not okay. it's it's not It's not like that. Jesus Christ.
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It was giving those vibes. No, it was not.
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That's a wild take. um Okay. So let's back up. ah
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Sorry. I told you I had opinions. Okay. So this is the world. Six billion people. When I was a kid, there were only three. That's how the movie starts with an image of earth from space. Okay.
00:21:58
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Yeah, already condescending. It's not... How is it condescending? He says when he was a kid, there were three, and now there's six billion people. And of course, now there's 8.3 billion people. So if that makes you feel old.
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um Jerry Maguire is an asshole. um And he's a sports agent, which is... you know, kind of a job where being an asshole is required. Like you are an asshole. So your client doesn't have to be. And that's true of, of Hollywood agents and sports agents. I feel like this movie is, you know, very thinly veiled um actually about Hollywood, not really about sports um much like, and, and, you know, possibly the music industry as well. Cause every, cause the thing about Cameron Crowe is that all of his movies are,
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know, very heavily about music. um This movie might be the one that's least on the nose. i was going say there weren't so many like musical moments.
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Yeah. There was like only like one or two. And I was. Compared to. sorry Yeah. Oh, I was going say like it really like compared to fricking almost famous where it's like almost all like magical music music moments.
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Yeah. um Yeah. This movie very famously uses Bruce Springsteen's song Secret Garden in a couple of a couple of ways. and it has And it has a great end credit song. But other than that, it's pretty much pretty subdued. The score is by Cameron Crowe's wife of the time, Nancy Wilson from Heart.
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Heard of her.
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Incredible guitarist. um And a lot of it is like acoustic guitar score, which is what she does for a lot of stuff. But she does do other stuff as well. um ah Love her. She's amazing.
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So he's a sports agent and he works for a massive company with Jay Moore. um who Yep. Is again, like this is the kind of asshole that Jerry Maguire was before the movie starts is the idea.
00:24:13
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Like there's this whole preamble in that, like, he was just like, I was an amazing agent and I did all these things. Like, look at these athletes you probably have never heard of, but it starts really young and blah, blah, blah. And um also like, look at me being a boss until one of his hockey players ends up the hospital. Hold on. Okay.
00:24:34
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okay Let's talk about the hockey player scene. The hockey player in the hospital scene is, it's Toby Huss as the um as the the hockey player in the Traction.
00:24:47
Speaker
You keep saying Toby Huss like I should know who that is. Okay, he Toby Huss is a great actor. Toby Huss is already the strongest man in the world from ah Pete and Pete. He's also in one of my favorite TV shows of all time, Halt and Catch Fire, which I may have talked about on the show before. yes you have.
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He's one of the main characters on that. I love him very much. He's an angel. He is, um, ah he's done a lot of stuff. He shows up all the time. Um, his wife is k Christine Cavanaugh, uh, who's a famous voice actor. She's the voice of Babe the Pig, um, which came out the year before this. She's the voice of Chucky from the Rugrats. Yep.
00:25:26
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Um, and, uh, yeah. And then the kid, the kid who says fuck you, which starts the, the whole thing is fucking Drake Bell. Oh, shit. I thought he looked familiar. yeah Jesus. Also, I have to also put a little disclaimer in that um we had a choice of how to watch this film.
00:25:45
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One of them was we could rent it for money or we could watch it with advertisements through my parents' direct TV on AMC+. plus And for whatever reason, AMC+, plus didn't have the normal version of the movie. They only had the TV edit.
00:26:02
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What? He says, frick you or forget you. oh my God. So when when he when in the show me the money scene and he says, who's my motherfucker? What is it? are they saying?
00:26:14
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Who's my mother? Who's my mother? Oh, my God. that's very funny that's so strange the tv edit of jerry mcguire right i mean it's not very explicit or anything like i think it's rated r only for you know pretty mild language there's the one scene where they say motherfucker about 15 times and i guess that's pretty much it yeah they say fuck a few times actually but it's not like you know scorsese movie or anything well there was a lot of flips a lot of fudges and a lot of forgets
00:26:47
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that's so funny it was so funny it took me a minute to realize it took me until that scene to realize it because i was just like forget you i was like well that was weird and then like another scene happened and does it show him flip him off because he flips him off too no it it shows him and walking away yeah he walks away and he kind turns around and he goes like this oh yeah i know they cut that out because i was watching the tv edit I have to say, like, I feel like the TV edit is going to lose some of the emotional beats as well. um I don't know. I just don't believe can't blame my opinion on Jerry Maguire on the TV edit. Well, I'm gonna.
00:27:23
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It's too late. already did.
00:27:29
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Emma's opinion applies only to the TV edit of Jerry Maguire because that's all she's seen if there's no swearing I'm gonna hate it yeah I do like I feel it is it is very funny because sometimes I mean there's there's obviously movies that don't have I mean Babe the Pig is a great example like there's no swearing in Babe the Pig and I love that movie yeah I mean I haven't seen it in 20 years but I think I love that movie it's probably probably holds up Yeah, but like movies about adults doing adult things and nobody curses. I just find unrealistic on its face because it's it's very hard for me to connect with that because that's not a world that I live in.
00:28:08
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Yeah. Well, the weird thing was is that like they cut out all the swearing, but we still got the sex scenes. Well, yeah, there's no nudity in it. So it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, but I just thought it was a weird sort of compromise. I mean, is the never stop fucking me scene in it? They must have just cut that out completely.
00:28:25
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oh yeah. With his fiance? Yeah. No, it just cuts to her saying how she would um totally open to a three-way with a chick. Okay, interesting. Yeah, so in the actual movie, when she goes, it must be a classy lady, it cuts to them banging, standing up, and her screaming, never stop fucking me, which is pretty strange.
00:28:49
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Yeah, I feel like that's a little homophobic. Like, that's a classy lady and then immediately smash cutting to, if you wanted to, I would have a three-way with it. That's, yeah, that's a little sex-negative homophobic. It didn't start immediately to that. It started with like her going, wow! And then banging. And then their conversation started. um Yeah, it wasn't like immediately like, I totally would have a three-way with you.
00:29:13
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Yeah, yeah. Which is fine. People have freeways. Go with God, yeah. Exactly. um Your life. So, yes. he It's about him growing a conscience. And all of that happens right in the first, like, three minutes of the movie. The inciting incident, which is the kid saying fuck you to him, happens, like, six minutes into this movie. Yeah.
00:29:32
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Which, for a two-hour and 15-minute movie, is wild. I mean, that is... A hallmark of Cameron Crowe's writing is this kind of like offbeat screenplay, like pacing kind of thing. Yeah. And that's that's present in all of the movies. Again, I haven't seen Singles. I haven't seen Aloha or We Bought a Zoo. The other ones, that's true.
00:29:54
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I've seen Aloha, but I couldn't tell you the inciting incident because I have tried to black that out of my mind. Yeah, well, we'll watch it eventually. ah um but yeah so basically this hockey player it's his fourth concussion and you know the kid is like asks uh jerry he's like this is fourth concussion and jerry misunderstanding the moment is like nothing's gonna stop your dad you know uh the vr super troopers he says yeah like trying to relate to this kid with like 90 just
00:30:25
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Yeah. G.I. Joe. Well, I mean, he thinks that he's being supportive, but really like the kid is scared for his dad because playing hockey and professional football are both very dangerous. Yes. Because, you know, Jerry doesn't care. It doesn't, doesn't see the humanity in these people and doesn't, doesn't connect with them on a human level. And that is what is, so that is what is happening in this movie. That is the arc of Jerry Maguire.
00:30:49
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He sees them as dollar signs and not people, which is why it leads him to write the mission statement. Yeah.
00:31:00
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not the memo people keep calling it a memo and he keeps correcting them yes yes i almost called a manifesto and then i was like what it is basically a manifesto i mean it is he yeah he one night at the at the hotel where they're all like somewhere i don't know where they are yeah um at a retreat or something he writes up this memo in the middle of the night and is talking about um He says, the things we think and do not say, which is so pretentious.
00:31:32
Speaker
So pretentious. Well, he either gets food poisoning or has a panic attack or a combination of the two. Yeah. And he has this, he grows a conscience, as he says. um And he's like, less clients, less money, caring for them, caring about the game.
00:31:48
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um he goes, he it's 1996, so he has to go to a print shop and print it up. print multiple copies, and yeah put it in the hotel mailboxes of everyone at the company.
00:32:02
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Yep. Which gets him tired. That's Yeah. That's a lot of fucking work. He had many times during this whole spiel to, like, think about it. I think also, like, the whole... I get the idea behind his mission statement, and like i i can't I appreciate it, but I think he did himself a not-solid...
00:32:26
Speaker
He did himself dirty by saying less clients, less money. Say maybe, i don't know, less clients, more focus on the clients or something like that.
00:32:37
Speaker
Don't leave with less money. and he's He's got this this idea. Like, I mean, have you watched all of Hacks? Have you seen Hacks? No. Oh, you should watch Hacks. It's really good. yeah There's a similar thing. The two of the main characters in that are are talent managers, um not agents, but managers. And they have a similar kind of arc where like there is this... like It's not parasocial, but it is an odd relationship that an actor or an athlete has with their agent or manager. um I've never had an agent.
00:33:11
Speaker
I'm seeking representation, if anybody wants yeah to... ah Anybody wants to represent Katie. really agents If anyone's a talent agent, wants to represent Emma, you know, we're, we're, we're available. But you've had an agent. I've had a few. I've had a couple.
00:33:28
Speaker
And I imagine just because of your, you know, the level you were operating at, you didn't have a super personal relationships these did with my first agent.
00:33:38
Speaker
i I had a super personal relationship because she was very old school. And um so like I would call her almost every day. ah Oh, wow. Yeah. But that's how you remind her that you're alive and that she should be submitting you. um It was it was ah advice I had gotten from some but some from other actors that were also represented by her um was just what call her on the phone and go in to like you called her on the phone every day not every day but like a lot just be just be like hey like hey just checking in see how things are going you know you just want to let you know fargo's in town i'd love to be seen for that um yeah i did not get seen for fargo um but uh fargo the tv show that shot in chicago we should say Emma is not in her 50s and auditioned for Chargo, the movie. No, no, no. um
00:34:33
Speaker
And i would... 60s, probably. i would go into her office at the um the... Oh, my God, what was it? It was in South Loop. It was um the not the It was like the, not the cultural center, but like the the performing arts center, the performing arts building. Oh, yeah. um With like the old school elevators and stuff. She had an office there.
00:34:58
Speaker
And I would go there maybe like once every few months to just like meet with her and be like, hey, what's up? Let's talk about my goals yeah and stuff. Just basically annoying the bejesus out of her and just sitting around and talking to her. And i brought it, you know, just trying to get seen.
00:35:15
Speaker
um And how did that work? Fine, but not great. Yeah. yeah um This was also the same agent that every time I would go in told me I had to lose 20 pounds. So.
00:35:29
Speaker
Oh, sure. yeah So I feel like ah there was some dissident there. But, um, was she, was she older? was she She was like in her, I want to say like her eighties, her seventies or her eighties.
00:35:43
Speaker
Like she was, she was up there. Oh, wow. quite, quite, yeah quite old. yeah Um, and very old school. Um, but then my second agent I got during COVID and that one, it was a weird sort of situation because like I got Great time. Great time. It was like 2021, want to say.
00:36:03
Speaker
And I never saw them or met them until I went in for like this meeting with one of their, um it was like a you could opt to go in and meet with their ah social media advisor person and talk about how you can up your social media. And so like I did.
00:36:21
Speaker
And, ah yeah. um And so, like, that was the first time i like, saw a lot of them in person. And then I kept trying to, like, get more FaceTime with them. But then they just didn't care and they just dropped me.
00:36:35
Speaker
um So, whatever. Screw them. I can't even remember the name that so reminds me like the social media thing like that sucks so bad that reminds me of like this girl i knew on twitter like i didn't actually we know we're mute moots on twitter um as they say and she uh she was english and she was auditioning for survivor and she got to like the final cut um like in-person auditions and she was i think she was in the very final cut and they came to her and said
00:37:05
Speaker
you need to get 20,000 Twitter followers um by next year when you can audition again, and then we'll let we'll let you on the show. Like you don't have enough Twitter followers to be on Survivor. Which is insane.
00:37:16
Speaker
What the fuck are we doing? Which is insane. There was no Twitter when Survivor started. Like, why is this all of a sudden a thing? That's true. Because it's all that matters to anybody anymore. Like in much like how, you know, musicals have to be based on movies or preexisting properties. It's all about IP. Yeah. And a person who has 20,000 Twitter followers already is is an IP, is something that you can, mean, 20,000 people doesn't sound like a lot, but in a lot of ways, you know it's you're doing promotion for whatever project that you're on. And that's a way that that you can start at a higher base. It's less work for the agent. It's less work for the company because there's already a fan base there.
00:37:59
Speaker
They don't have to start from the bottom up. Yeah, and that's basically just a requirement for, you know, breaking through at this point. Which is bullshit. Anyways, follow us on Instagram at gogetyourgirlpod. We have about 20,000 followers on Instagram, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it could be 30,000 if you just press that little follow button.
00:38:26
Speaker
um but Yeah, so we're still in the first five minutes of this yeah movie. um he gets applause in the hotel lobby everyone's like oh jerry you're so great and silently they're like how long is he gonna last about yeah yeah they're all just bullshitting him which is you know their job yeah um we learn that so we meet renee zellweger who has a kid most one of the most adorable children to ever be in a movie baby Jonathan Lipnicki who was in basically nothing after this but he's five years old in this movie and he's higher skin the cutest kid in the world the baby vampire in whatever movie with baby vampire I know I believe believe it's called the littlest vampire he was the littlest vampire I mean he's like like I said basically nothing ah he was in The Resident the TV show was he a regular i don't think so
00:39:24
Speaker
No, he was in one episode. There it is. Yeah. He's still, I guess he's still, I guess he's still a working actor. Good for him. Still doing it. But, um, so adorable in this movie. Painfully adorable. know. This kid. Just the cutest.
00:39:39
Speaker
Um, she's on the plane and, uh, she overhears him in first class. She's not in first class. Nope. Telling this his seatmate about how he proposed to his fiance. And she is, you know, she's she's enamored of romance um is how we describe her. She's a romantic. She's a romance addict.
00:40:03
Speaker
Yes. Which we would know nothing about. Absolutely not. um What a loser. and Exactly. Yeah. And she, you know, that's when she says to her son, whoever banged him must be oh no, that's, it's later actually. That's it's just her sister after the airport. whoever ba Whoever bagged him must be a classy lady. And then cut to never stop fucking. Yeah.
00:40:24
Speaker
Um, So, yeah, they get off the plane. um ah She loses her kid because he's climbed onto to the ah baggage. um Yeah, he's climbed onto the dispenser thing. Giving everybody high fives. The baggage carousel. And he's just giving everyone high fives and shaking their hands like a little professional gentleman.
00:40:46
Speaker
That is exactly what I was like when i was a kid. That's adorable. I have always been the most social person. Like, being like my parents, it was very difficult for my parents to explain to me like strangers, or you don't talk to strangers. Because i would just run up to people and start talking to them. love to talk. And I've always been an extrovert, basically. um So yeah, he's the best. And Jerry knows her name, which she's splattered by. she's an accountant for the firm and he helps her find, grab her kid. And they do this thing where he grabs both of their hands and just starts making them swing him. Like, and they're talking to each other and he's going, swing. And we get callback to that and the final scene of the movie, which also made me very mad.
00:41:43
Speaker
The final scene of the movie made? Yes! It cheapened the whole fucking movie, Katie. We'll get to it. We'll get to it. We'll get we'll get to it. Not that there was anything to cheapen. yeah Oh my goodness gracious. um She tells him optimism like that is a revolutionary act. She...
00:42:02
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loved his memo, his mission statement. And she, I think she kind of falls in love with him based on that piece of writing. Yeah. She loves that he's a good guy that he's, well, at least in writing, he's a good guy and he wants to promote, you know, like humanity in the agency and yeah less like treating people like they're toys that they can just sort of like commodities yeah and and so she's she's in love with that and then hearing this like romantic story of how he proposed to his fiancee just like puts a little cherry on the sub on the sunday and she's very lonely uh she lives with her sister bonnie hunt who is a vicious divorcee and
00:42:52
Speaker
see and she's a widow we should say she's 26 26 year old widow she Yeah, and her husband sucked. um Yeah. It was a guy who wasn't very nice to me and then died, she says.
00:43:06
Speaker
um So she has five-year-old, which means that she had that kid when she was 21. I was like, Jesus, the wee that she's a baby. She was a baby having babies.
00:43:20
Speaker
Kelly Preston, John Travolta's wife, RIP, plays his fiancée, who's a very classy Very classy lady. who sucks like he does also works in sports and man yeah she does something she's there at the NFL draft doing something I don't know what she does wearing a like a schoolgirl skirt it's very weird um it's the 90s I don't know what was up um we have and then we have his bachelor party I don't know the timeline on this movie is strange for me because he says on the plane we're getting married in February
00:43:55
Speaker
And then it's his bachelor party. So is it January? Is that when we start? Because the movie ends at Christmas. I think so. Because like the thing that throws threw me off was that I assume we're on the West Coast. I assume we're in LA. Well, it's Los Angeles. Well, mean, they they fly all a bunch of places, but yeah, it's LA. Because it is never not sunny in 75. Yeah.
00:44:19
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they and they they're like, there's palm trees and stuff. it's yeah Yeah, and there's like, no one's wearing a jacket walking around, you know, Christmas decorations. so So, what?
00:44:32
Speaker
um I believe that it must be like January because it's his bachelor party. Eric Stoltz is there, has his cameo. And they have, Eric Stoltz has made this video of interviewing a bunch of Jerry's ex-girlfriends. Yep.
00:44:47
Speaker
um one of whom is lucy lou did you catch her i didn't no i did not so a lot of they may have cut her out who knows what they cut out of the tv edit yeah who knows um and all of them are saying that he's great at friendship he's bad at intimacy and he is alone um he can't be alone he can't be alone where he fills this void in his life with a woman who he you know, treats as part of himself, which is this like theme that starts to, you know, develop throughout the movie. Um,
00:45:28
Speaker
He gets fired. He quits. ah the He gets fired, then he quits. Yeah, he gets fired. And he they have this this very intense scene where he's trying calling everybody and Jay Moore is calling everybody. They're having this battle over the clients. Jerry Maguire gets one client, um Rod Tidwell, played by Cuba Gooding Jr. Yeah, and he keeps him on the phone.
00:45:52
Speaker
So that he loses all the other clients because he's just talking to him and he's just like, well, I guess I i have to like, you know, walk the walk. So I have to be on the phone and actually be my client's agent.
00:46:06
Speaker
And the idea is that like he has written this manifesto about like, you know, less money, personal relationships with clients and his one client, his whole deal is show me the money like this is i mean this was everywhere this was such a huge scene still an iconic scene show me the money show me the money who's my motherfucker you're my motherfucker i love black people screaming on the phone it's very funny It is a good scene. I'm not saying there aren't great scenes in this movie. There's several good scenes that were were nice.
00:46:44
Speaker
And like some of them were the rom-com scenes and i enjoyed them. I just personally dislike Tom Cruise. Allegedly. Yeah, that's fair.
00:46:57
Speaker
um he um He gets one client and then he he has a big speech when he leaves, which I think he's very funny. yeah um He takes a fish and Renee Zellweger agrees to go with him.
00:47:12
Speaker
And they get on the elevator and as on they're going down to the elevator, there is a deaf couple. And he signs something to her and then she kisses him and then they leave and he goes, I wonder what they said.
00:47:25
Speaker
And Renee Zellweger says, he said, you complete me. Keep that in your back pocket for later. Yeah. It's Chekhov's deaf people.
00:47:37
Speaker
the We have Regina King, the fantastic Regina King. the MVP of this movie. cuba beginning junior She is the fucking MVP of this movie. Like, she was my favorite character. In so many scenes, was she just absolutely fabulous. And my favorite thing was she constantly she was like, I'm so sorry. I'm pregnant. I'm angry. Yeah, yeah. She's very pregnant. She is Cuba Gooding Jr.'s wife. They have an amazing relationship. They're so in love. And an adorable son. They have
00:48:08
Speaker
They have a little boy who's also great. The little boys don't have any scenes together. They do. When they go out to dinner later on, they're running around the restaurant and harassing the different patrons of the restaurant while Kibbe Gunner Jr. They're both very extroverted little boys. And they're best friends. And it's the scene when Renee Zellweger and Tom Cruise are sitting staring like empty-souled at...
00:48:37
Speaker
Cuba Goding Jr. and Regina King as they are declaring their love for each other. And then she goes into labor. Yes. um I wanted to say in the montage of where he's calling all of the different... Oh, so we have Jerry O'Connell in this as Cush, who is the number one NFL draft pick. He just wants to play football. Who is his...
00:48:56
Speaker
his star client. Um, and, uh, so we'll get to that in a second, but one of the athletes that they talk to is, um, she's the woman who's like crying and then she's like, I gotta pick up the other line. And she goes, Hey, what's up? He goes, still me.
00:49:11
Speaker
Um, that is Linny from Linny McAllister from home alone. She is the one who says, you're the, what the French call les incompletions.
00:49:23
Speaker
Because i saw her face and i'm like, who is this? I have to know who this is. And it took me a while, honestly, on IMDb to figure out who she was. Was she not in like a lot of other things?
00:49:35
Speaker
No, no, not at all. Wow. Well, good for her. Well, I think is I paused it and then I took like, you know, two or three minutes to figure out who she was. And then I unpaused it and he immediately says her name. So it would have been much yeah but easier to find her if I had played it until he says her name or she does. Cause she, she answers, she answers the other call by saying her name. And i'm like, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:55
Speaker
Oh, well. Anyway. as is life So yes, I love black people. You're my motherfucker. Um, uh, Yeah, so Dorothy, which is Renee Zellweger's character's name, tells him, like, you've got to go get Cush. Like, go fly to Texas and get Cush. So he goes to his house.
00:50:17
Speaker
Beau Bridges is his dad. And... He likes Jerry. He... He likes Jerry. Yeah, he's like... He agrees. He says that we'll have... We'll stay on. I said to myself, if he comes over here, we'll sign with him.
00:50:34
Speaker
um He says, I don't do contracts, but I'm mad at my word and a handshake deal is as solid as oak. And that's a lie. Keep that in your back pocket for later. um a He is, oh, and this is a great, this is a great bet. He is, he so he saw he he has that meeting and he's driving back to the airport and he's trying to find something to sing along to on the radio.
00:50:59
Speaker
He can't, he tries to sing along with a couple of songs it doesn't work. And finally he finds free falling, which is like, A great choice. I mean, Cameron Crowe, all of Cameron Crowe's faults, he makes perfect music choices yeah all the time.
00:51:11
Speaker
So Free Falling, if you're not aware, and I'm talking the audience because I know, sure you know what Free Falling is about. Sorry. The chorus is kind of a punchline, right? Because it's about this guy. It's about this girl. She's wonderful. And i broke her heart. And the chorus is, and I'm free.
00:51:32
Speaker
And then he follows it up with falling. Like, I thought that breaking up with this girl would make me free. But what I'm really doing is drowning. Yeah.
00:51:43
Speaker
And that's exactly what Jerry Maguire is doing throughout the whole movie. He's just free falling. He's he's constantly just flailing. He's trying to, he's trying to, to, become a better person. He's trying to become free. He's trying to do something in his life that doesn't make him feel like a terrible person. um But he's drowning. um And he thinks that a woman can complete him.
00:52:07
Speaker
And, you know, maybe or maybe she doesn't. Yeah. Well, we'll see. They go to the NFL draft. Yep. And he's got two clients at the NFL draft. he's The number one draft pick and and brought good junior and it's really sad because he's just like showing all this attention to um to kush and you know kuba good and juniors like off on the sidelines like well come on but then he does show up for him i mean he's because it's the nfl draft and he's a current player so it's a little odd for him to be there i think i mean i don't know much about again This is this podcast. We don't know anything about sports. But like, he doesn't have to be there because like he calls him and tell and convinces him to come to the NFL yeah draft. um ah Like, I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of current players there, but like, you know, maybe more famous ones than him.
00:53:05
Speaker
He's got, he says he's only got about five years left to play. So he's maybe 30, I would say. Something like that. um Maybe, maybe something like that. Yeah. I don't, yeah. I think most football players don't last much longer than 30, 30. Maybe he's like 28. Your little nushy brains can't handle it. Yeah, They killing people.
00:53:24
Speaker
Allegedly. um There's this great bit where he's he's standing there alone and these kids come up to him and ask him if he's a hootie. Yeah, i ask him if he's hootie. He's like, no, I'm not hootie. Very nice.
00:53:35
Speaker
Very 1996. That's Hootie and the Blowfish, ladies and gentlemen. Pretty much the only time you could... 1996 was the only year you could get away with that joke.
00:53:46
Speaker
um Remember on Friends where Monica makes out with one of the members of Hootie and the Blowfish? No, I didn't watch Friends. It's very dated. im a Yes. um And tells, I mean, so Rod's problem is that he's very arrogant and has this chip on his shoulder for not being as famous as he thinks he's entitled to be. He plays with his head, not his heart.
00:54:20
Speaker
Exactly. Which is what Jerry tells him later. um ah Which is ironic because in his personal relationships, he's very, hard um he he's he he has the intimacy that Jerry doesn't have. Yeah.
00:54:33
Speaker
And he so he takes him around and introduces him to everybody, um lets them see because he's standoffish with the press like he's not he's not good at the self promotion angle of being a famous football yeah star. Right.
00:54:53
Speaker
And so Jerry is like introducing him on the in the lobby and he's like, okay, I got to go see Kush. And this is when he discovers Jerry O'Connell is playing Something in the Way by yeah Nirvana on the acoustic guitar for some For whatever reason.
00:55:09
Speaker
It's the na And he discovers by answering the phone and pretending to be Kush that they secretly already signed a contract with Bob Sugar, Jay Moore's character, the villainous yeah agent. The one that fired Jerry. That was Jerry's mentee who then fired him.
00:55:30
Speaker
And he sucks. He sucks. He's a bad guy. guy Um, uh, As you might expect by someone being played by Jay Moore. Jay Moore tends to play those kind of characters. And then you know he tells Bo Bridges and he's like, you know I thought your handshake was as strong as oak. And Bo Bridges is like, well, we were we signed with him an hour ago when you were in the lobby with the black fella.
00:55:59
Speaker
And you know racism aside, the you know the implication there is that he's never going to be and enough like even with two clients he's never gonna be enough like it doesn't it's it's not enough like you one client is like takes his is his whole job his whole energy has to go into into one person because even when there's only two clients he still like drops the ball somehow
00:56:28
Speaker
um which is unrealistic but it's uh you know it's how he feels in the moment exactly it's It's a lot of bullshit. And, like, you're led to believe that they got, you know, sweet-talked into this contract deal when, in reality, Jerry could have gotten them that deal or better because he had a better personal relationship with... Where? Colorado?
00:56:52
Speaker
san Diego. San Diego. Or... it was No, it was it was it was Colorado. Because he got the San Diego deal and then the... yeah um ah So it was... um uh yes then he breaks up with kelly boston who tells him she doesn't have this sensitivity thing
00:57:13
Speaker
um you screwed up both of our lives um which he you know kind of did um i mean here's the thing does he have the relationship with colorado after he published that that's true we don't know that because that's true yeah And she tells him you can't be alone and he breaks up with her and then she beats him up. Like, it was like aggressive.
00:57:36
Speaker
Like, I thought it was just going to be like yeah that typical rom-com, like slap. No, she like. No, she does Krav Maga. Yeah, she does like a one, two, three punch. Like, not even just a one, two, a one, two, three. Yeah.
00:57:51
Speaker
but She knocks him fully on the ground. Yeah, he has a big old black eye. He's got a black yes to wear sunglasses at night. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's in risky business. Like Corey Hart.
00:58:05
Speaker
i think cory hart sang sunglasses at night i wear my sunglasses at night cory hart nailed it and that is points to thanks he's a cautionary tale he's cloaked in failure um as he says gets wasted he's not a man he's a syndrome um He gets super drunk with Rod and goes to her house because he calls her and she's like, come over, which is crazy. yeah And the entire time we meet the woman oh yeah at her, which she lives with her sister, Bonnie Hunt, who runs like a divorced women's group. And it's all like the stereotypical nineties jaded divorced women just being like, I hate men.
00:58:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's not super sensitive. In any way, shape, or form, no. I don't think this movie passes the Bechdel test. Absolutely Despite having so many prominent female characters, all they talk about men. All they talk about is men. All that ah Renee Zellweir talks about is Jerry. And here's the thing.
00:59:18
Speaker
I thought Renee Zellweir's performance in this was fantastic. I thought she was great. She's good, yeah. thought her character was fucking undercooked. Yeah. Oh, big time. Yeah, big time. Like, I wanted to get a little bit more swooned over by those beautiful, like, romantic shots.
00:59:36
Speaker
Like, there's some iconic romantic shots in this that I'm just like, okay, that's really nice. Like, when they're going out to dinner and she runs out with her shoes off and they're standing there with Bruce Springsteen. is playing Bruce Springsteen. that's a beautiful shot. The ending, obviously, we'll get to it. It's iconic. But, like,
00:59:54
Speaker
what what is what are her likes and dislikes besides jerry mcguire yeah yeah um it is it's crazy because again this movie is two hours and 15 minutes long so there was time yeah it's just it's spread out this is an it's an epic for a rom-com too much time which is unnecessary unnecessary yes too much time Yeah, for sure. It is, ah you know, the it is a the romance is definitely a subplot to the main plot being the internal conflict of Jerry Maguire, which is fine.
01:00:31
Speaker
um Like, men are allowed to have movies about them as well. I guess. But... Whatever. Whatever. They're, yeah, yeah, for sure. Honestly, honestly, I think Regina King's character is probably written than hers. Regina King's character is better written. She has more. Yeah, and a lot of that is because she's pregnant.
01:00:51
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yes. So he's drunk and wearing sunglasses and Bonnie Hunt says, oh, you just tell I pictured you, which is very funny. Um, the, uh, oh, we also forgot earlier at the NFL draft. This is where Jonathan Nikki says the human head weighs eight pounds. There's another classic quote from this movie, which is something that kid was really just going around on set saying to people and they decided to put in the movie. was going to say, that's the first of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts about a movie that she is...
01:01:22
Speaker
fine with jonathan lipnick he showed up on the set one day telling everyone that the human head weighs eight pounds writer producer and director cameron crow liked it so much he wrote it into the script yeah and jerry is so good with him like that is the thing and that is another like between the manifesto and how good he is with her kid, this we understand why she falls in love with him. But it's just, like none of it has to do with her.
01:01:53
Speaker
I know, but like. No, no, it doesn't. But that's that that's intentional. yeah Like that is, that's what she discovers. Like she's 21. She has a kid. At some point her husband dies. He's an asshole. And then he dies. She has to move in with her sister with a five-year-old. And like, and this is one of the things that Rod says, like dating single women is completely different. I mean, dating single women, dating single mothers yeah is completely different because everything is about that kid. And, you know, I think that, you know, we have a better understanding of, you know, ah in in media, I mean, like media has a better understanding of of writing characters like that now than they did in 1996.
01:02:37
Speaker
But like, you know, to a certain extent, yeah, if you're a single mom, your kid is going to be like most of your life, whether you want it to or not. And so when she meets somebody who has that immediate connection with her kid, And she can see as a father figure for him, like that's going to help her fall in love with him. I mean, it it it reminds me, um, it, it happened the moment when Jonathan Lipnicki gives him a hug and kisses him on the cheek. And she is walking to the car. Bonnie hunt. and She's just like, she starts to like tear up. She's like, I've never seen him kiss a man on the cheek like that. Like it's his father before. I've never seen that before. Yeah. And she's like getting teared up about it.
01:03:20
Speaker
And i was just like, But like, do you like him? Yeah, yeah. um ah It reminds me of Mad Men. Have you seen Mad Men? I've seen a few seasons. I haven't seen all of it.
01:03:35
Speaker
Okay, well, there's the scene, there's the the the season the the season finale where he has just gotten recently gotten divorced, and he goes to Disneyland with the kids, and he brings his secretary, Megan, and Megan immediately bonds with the kids and starts acting like a mom, and then he impulsively...
01:03:55
Speaker
asks her to marry him honestly it's a lot like this movie when you think except they took how many seasons to uh you know document um oh my god what's his name john ham's character in mad don draper's uh arc in madman yeah seven um it is but it is it is a similar uh kind of thing like those are both the wrong decision to marry this person just because they have a relationship with your kid yeah um And, ah yeah, so this is when he's drunk. The kid wakes up and goes in to talk to Jerry while he's drunk.
01:04:32
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And this is one of the most, again, the quote the quote that I say the most from this movie, where he's telling him he wants to go to the zoo and Jerry says, the fucking zoo's closed.
01:04:43
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And he goes, you said fuck. Because I won't tell. and then he runs away. um But the fucking zoo's closed, man. I say it all the time. i think we got freaking zoo's closed.
01:05:02
Speaker
Freaking zoo's closed. And this is where she's talking to to to her sister and she says that she wants to be inspired. Yeah. Which, you know, it's like the Democrats.
01:05:16
Speaker
You know, like... We just... We need to be inspired. like Again, a Democrat is is strong for what I would consider myself politically. Democrats need Jerry?
01:05:32
Speaker
Yes! We need somebody who makes you feel like they want to do good. Like like Obama, right? Yeah. The death of hope in this country after 2016 is like the biggest problem for the the left in general. you know what? I think that the World Cup, with all these Europeans coming to America and discovering ranch, it's bringing hope back.
01:05:57
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God's sake.
01:06:04
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So, yeah, he tries to kiss her and then he says, I felt like Clarence Thomas, which is very funny. also a very 90s reference he yes uh and uh she's like no no you're not clarence thomas um and he goes and then we have a whole thing with the sports thing he's trying to get rod at 10 million dollars over four years he goes to the owner of the arizona cardinals who is played by for some reason glenn fry the lead singer of the eagles yeah the owner of the the the football team is glenn fry from the eagles
01:06:41
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Why? I don't know. It's very strange. He also had a solo career where he sang ah The Heat Is On and You Belong to the City. wow. Goodness.
01:06:54
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um Because music, that's why Even terrible music like the Eagles. Allegedly terrible music like the Eagles. um No, the Eagles are legitimately terrible. It's not alleged.
01:07:07
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Um... He tells it like this. The problem with Rod is that he has to have a better attitude. And they have this long scene where they it is another classic line from this movie. to help me help Help me help you.
01:07:19
Speaker
Help me help you. Yeah. Rod says you're hanging on by thread, man. And I dig that about you. but Yeah, so he has this this problem. and Both of them have this problem with intimacy, right? Like, in different ways. um ah And he's out of money. Yeah. And they have that he has this conversation with Renee Zellweger where, like, this is a terrible idea. You want to go out to yeah dinner? She's like, yeah.
01:07:46
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Yep. um He's broke. Or as Renee Zellweger later puts it, he's broke. Broke, broke, broke, broke, broke. Yeah.
01:07:56
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Yeah. Um, that's when she's yelling at Rod, yeah. He says that's more than a dress, that's an Audrey Hepburn movie. See, that's swoon-worthy.
01:08:07
Speaker
Like, this whole little sequence of, like, her showing up in that dress, him saying that line, and her running out without her shoes on. Like, that all, I thought, was very swoon-worthy. But, again... Yeah, that long shot on the dark street where they're in silhouette. yeah So, so beautiful.
01:08:24
Speaker
Doesn't make up for the rest of She... No, and what happens is she gets excited because she needs a dad for her kid and she picks the wrong guy. Or she picks the the guy too soon. Yeah, she picks the guy too soon and like she she feels like she sort of strong holds him into it.
01:08:41
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well yeah kind That's kind of what happens. I mean, it's not her fault, but it is something that happens. um He kisses her on the porch and breaks the string and breaks the strap on her dress and then fixes it.
01:08:56
Speaker
Chad gives him a jazz mixtape. Chad is the au pair. Yeah, yeah he's he's the babysitter, but he refuses to be called a babysitter because he's a man. That's not problematic. They have some sex. yes
01:09:10
Speaker
The next morning, she she tells her sister that she loves him, which is crazy. yeah she She tells him she has this whole like monologue about how she's like in love with him and you know like trying to defend him. And he hears it from the hallway. And it's a scene where like all of a sudden... And then on Jonathan Lipnansky... Lipnansky...
01:09:28
Speaker
cutie patootie little boy comes out and he goes good morning jerry and that's when she realizes that he's had has been in the hallway the entire time and then he makes a reference that bonnie hunt had made at the beginning of this argument so she knows that he heard her but he just kisses her on the cheek um and then is fine but like at the same time is acting from then on he's acting a little awkward Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he doesn't know how to love somebody, and she doesn't really love him. I mean, it's very telling. Again, the movie knows this, because she says, i love him for the man he wants to be, and I love him for the man he almost is.
01:10:11
Speaker
Which I thought was just like, that's not really a compliment. No, and that's the thing. That's the thing about this movie. Like, this is all very intentional. um He could be getting good at cuba gooding jr gets the um the uh contract it's very low uh he decides to regina king convinces him to reject it and stay on his current contract let it end and then sign as a free agent the next year which means that if he gets injured he's fucked and he'll get nothing uh and this is when she says that she can't that he can't afford her for this business with one client and she's going to take this job in san diego which she should have she should have done from the she should have just done to san diego a movie that a a a job that has health insurance or and pays well try um who apparently they keep hinting at has a lot of health issues yeah yeah yeah um he's allergic to a lot of stuff um
01:11:12
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she They pack up the yeah U-Haul. They are, she's leaving. And Bonnie Hunt is in the kitchen going, get in the car, get in the car, get in the car. And he goes and talks to her.
01:11:23
Speaker
And um there's also this thing from the ah the the Bachelor Party video where they all make fun of him saying, I love you too. yeah You know, like, I love you too. yeah Not, like, he doesn't love people. He says he loves people, but he doesn't yeah mean it. Yeah.
01:11:41
Speaker
She's telling him, go back and read what you wrote. You can be better. You can, you're better than the rest of them. And don't forget that. And he says, I know a way we can save on medical and rent. What if we got married?
01:11:54
Speaker
If I said that, would you stay? Right? Like, dude, that's not a proposal. no it's not and he go and he very tellingly he looks at jonathan licknicki in the truck who's very sad to be moving away and then says will you marry yep and that was another moment that i was just like he loves this kid more than he loves renee zeller and that's problematic he does that's a plot point i mean he loves the kid like like he wants to create a family
01:12:27
Speaker
you know but without like understanding what that means really gotta love the mom without loving the the woman yeah exactly exactly um but you know i'm sure that happens i'm sure that i'm sure i'm sure that i don't think it's not sexual jesus my mind immediately went in an inappropriate place I mean, here's the thing. The marriage scene also, they cut to this marriage scene that is so is set solely on Jonathan Menikey. Like, their heads aren't even in the shot. Again, like, it's it's reinforcing at every turn that this marriage is about being a dad more than it is, like, loving this Than husband. Yeah.
01:13:09
Speaker
Yes, yes, being dad versus being husband. And Kiba Good and Journey can kind of see it. And he sees it in the wedding video. Oh, he sees it immediately. That they're watching immediately after the wedding. That's weird. Like, you just did this. Why you watching this now? Why are you guys all watching this?
01:13:25
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Okay, whatever.
01:13:29
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um yeah he looks so nervous and and and miserable. And Renee Zellweger notices. And, like, she knows she made a mistake. but they can't do anything about it. Well, actually they could, but they choose not to.
01:13:43
Speaker
Well, I mean, Cuba going junior asking him, it's like, what is going on? Like, what do you love about her? And she's like, he's like loyalty. Yeah. And like she came with him when he needed somebody and he has, you know, misplaced those feelings. Yeah, space it exactly.
01:13:59
Speaker
um And then he tells him, you know, you play with your head and not your heart. That is not what you're looking for the money. And that is not what inspires people. I'm going to go with you to every game that you play. yeah And so he's on the road every week and he's never yeah home.
01:14:16
Speaker
Which is a pretty much a on purpose. Yeah. Oh, 100%. He's avoiding her. And she says, why do you love me? And he says it he says, why do you love me? And then Jonathan Lipnicki runs in the room and they watch TV. And then I'm like, that's not a reason to be married, people.
01:14:38
Speaker
Yeah. go of um She says, and then she breaks up with him. She says, I took advantage of you. i thought I was in love enough for the both of us. And he's like, I don't like to give up. And she says, we could lose 10 years being yeah polite.
01:14:51
Speaker
She says, he loves my kid and he sure does like me a lot. It so heartbreaking and so sad. Yeah. Yeah. And we cut, oh, throughout the movie we've been cutting to these, like, cutaways of his mentor as a sports agent who keeps, like, giving these aphorisms. And he's like, if this is empty, and he points to his heart, then this, his head, doesn't turn.
01:15:10
Speaker
Yeah. And then it's Monday Night Football, Christmas time. Monday Night Football. This is a big game for Cuba Gooding Jr., um he gets hit hard in a touchdown and he gets knocked unconscious and everybody because it looks like he's dead and it's so heartbreaking yeah i mean like you could break your neck and it's just sort of like jesus fucking christ she thinks that her husband's dead and so she calls jerry or jerry calls um and also it should be said that cuba gooden has he has two brothers one who lost his leg and then one who's just an asshole uh
01:15:43
Speaker
TP is constantly saying how Cuban Jr. is too small to be whatever position he is in football. And it's just the worst time. And she, like, he's talking to her and she's like, my whole life is my family. It doesn't work without him. um And then he wakes up on the field and says, let me enjoy this for minute.
01:16:03
Speaker
And gets up and does this, like, elaborate dance. Like, gets the crowd going. Like, he connects with the crowd for the first time. And and next of Emma's Fun Facts, Emma's Fun Facts, his little touchdown dance was co-choreographed by Paula Abdul.
01:16:21
Speaker
That makes sense. She's a famous choreographer. um there's They go into the like into the press afterward, and he like hugs Jerry, and we cut to, I wrote, famous football player. I looked it up. His name is Troy Aikman. I believe he was the quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys at the time.
01:16:40
Speaker
To Jay Moore and says, how come we don't have a relationship like that? And um ray ah Roy ah talks to Roy.
01:16:51
Speaker
um oh ray it's supposed to be uh jonathan lupnick's character's name is ray uh talks to uh no i guess that should be rod rod yeah rod talks to marcy sorry character's name is very similar it's a typo rod talks to marcy uh which is regina king's character and then jerry realizes that he has no one to talk to and he has no one to share this moment with yeah And then we cut to the women's meeting. Yep.
01:17:16
Speaker
And a bunch of grumpy ladies just talking about how the holidays are hard being a divorced lady. And Renee and Zilger being like, you know what? I've been sitting here for years listening to you guys bitch about dudes. And maybe you're right. Maybe all men suck.
01:17:29
Speaker
This all sucks. Everything sucks. I hate men. Blah, blah, blah. And then Jerry Maguire walks in. And he says, hello. Hello.
01:17:40
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I'm looking for my wife. And then he has his whole little speech. And he has his whole monologue. He's like, I'm good at the living room. This is what I'm good at. yeah And he realizes that, you know, it wasn't like his moment wasn't complete. um He said, I was so close to being complete, to having this perfect moment. And it wasn't complete because I couldn't share it with you.
01:18:02
Speaker
And he says, um because I miss my wife. I love
Emotional Scenes and Sportscasting Highlights
01:18:05
Speaker
you. You complete me. And he starts to say something else. And she interrupts him. And she says, shut up, shut up. And you think she's going to shut him down. And then she says, you had me at hello.
01:18:17
Speaker
yes And it's a swoon worthy moment. Even if it is Tom Cruise. It's a swoon worthy moment. And here's the thing. Like, this is taken out of context people are like you complete me that's not romantic like you shouldn't have to be no like that's what the movie's about yeah watch the movie first yes it is it is very much about an incomplete person na alert who is well sure because she wasn't written completely Correct. Yes, yes, yes. But he's talking about, he's taking something from context that they know about together and putting it into the context of, I have this void in my life now because I know you and I miss you and you are the one that completes this moment is yeah is what he said. And so you have this wonderful moment. also Oh, sorry. Go on.
01:19:12
Speaker
Yeah. ah But also because this whole movie is about him trying to be a complete person and not being able to do Yeah. Yeah. um And it's beautiful and it's nice and they kiss and it's very romantic and spoon worthy. And you're like, great, that's so awesome. And then we get a scene with the interview and you find out Cuba Gooden Jr. has gotten the contract that he wants and he starts crying.
01:19:35
Speaker
And which is what makes the money is what makes him cry, which is funny because they talk about It's, I looked up him too. He's a famous sportscaster. His name is ah ah Roy Firestone and he has this show and they talk about everyone who goes on here cries. He makes all these famous athletes cry.
01:19:53
Speaker
But what makes him cry is that he gets the contract for $11 million. dollars Yeah. um And it's very sweet and it's very nice. And um then the whole movie is undercut by this fucking bullshit of an ending scene.
01:20:07
Speaker
And let me tell you. um So they're walking and it's a nice little callback to the beginning. with It's like the three of them, Renee Zellweger, Tom Cruise, and Jonathan Lipman. keep leman ray in the middle and uh he's doing the little swing thing and they're walking and it's nice and then they're going by a baseball field at a park and you know a foul ball gets out and um jonathan lipnicki picks it up and on all of a sudden he's a superstar thrower and he's a magical baseball player and then you're like whoa watch out i don't i
01:20:49
Speaker
I don't think he's a magical baseball player. He threw the ball over the fence. He's five years old. And the little kids were like, wow, it's not like a rookie of the year situation where he throws it like 80 miles an hour. side by guy I got rookie of the year. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? We're going to end it on this note.
01:21:09
Speaker
We're going to end on magic baseball. Yeah. um I don't feel like it was magical. I feel like it was literally just he threw the ball further than they expected. He threw the ball really good. And everyone was like, whoa, he's a prodigy.
01:21:25
Speaker
Watch out. And then Tom Cruise is like, I mean, we got to I'm not saying we're going to put him in the major leagues, but like we got to start him young. And Renee Zellberg is like, don't even start rolls her eyes and they walk off. And I'm like, what?
Uncertain Endings and Trivia of 'Jerry Maguire'
01:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's not, it doesn't have that, um it doesn't have, like, ah a great ending like a lot of other Cameron Crowe movies have, um where, you know, it's the same thing, like, um you know, Say Anything has this very uncertain ending um with the ah with the two main characters, and this is also, like, there's a there's a bit of finality because of the way way you expect rom-coms to end, but there is, like,
01:22:08
Speaker
a bit of uncertainty because you know that you know things didn't come together in the way they should have um but it does it does fumble that a little bit um it doesn't have the the perfect little button it does uh what's his name comes back the the sports agent and he says um you know i failed as much as i succeeded in this life but i love my wife i love my life and i wish you my kind of success um which is like that, that, that theme of like, you know, maybe you're not the perfect person, but you're trying to be better all the time, which is what I got from this movie. And then it plays shelter from the storm by Bob Dylan over the credits. And like, that's great.
01:22:46
Speaker
And that's Jerry Maguire. Any other thoughts, feelings, opinions? Um, I like this movie a lot. Um, I, but I am,
01:22:59
Speaker
i do like movies about assholes trying to be better people so that's well sometimes i can get around it katie in this particular i couldn't get around it couldn't get around it that's fair that's fair uh just understood made me very angry um do what about charlie's corner oh charlie's corner charlie's corner charlie's corner white governor
01:23:26
Speaker
uh he liked it he thought it was a solid film did he think there were some problems yeah yes not as many as i did he was baffled by yeah my huffing and puffing and groaning and being in like or what come on i apparently was the only one offended by this film fair enough we're all gonna have those mine is apparently jerry mcguire
01:23:52
Speaker
i um I definitely ah foresaw you not being a huge fan of this movie. part Partially sports. Partially Tom Cruise. I feel like if Tom Cruise weren't the main character, I feel like you would have liked the movie more.
Upcoming Discussions and Closing Remarks
01:24:08
Speaker
originally it was supposed to be Winona Ryder and Tom Hanks. And I think I would have liked it then.
01:24:13
Speaker
Oh, he's much older than her. Hey, I don't make the IMDb trivia. I just read it. Hold on. How old is Tom Hanks? So Tom Hanks, 69 years old. So 15 years older than her.
01:24:33
Speaker
Versus Tom Cruise is only like... Tom Cruise, I think, is like six six or seven years older than Renee Zellweger. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah.
01:24:44
Speaker
So that was that movie. um We're gonna... do something
01:24:54
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in the realm of sports because it is the world. oh I love it. okay. So you're pitching a sports movie. We're doing two sports movies back to back. It's a sporty summer. um This is, this one goes out to all the Charles's out there. We're going to be doing. Oh God, I know what we're doing. Bend it like Beckham.
01:25:19
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Oh, okay. I thought you were going to fever pitch. no, no, no. We're going to Bend It Like Beckham. No, no. the the soccer yeah The soccer fever pitch. with No, I know. No, I've never seen that one. But we will be doing Bend It Like Beckham.
01:25:32
Speaker
Bend It Like Beckham. A famous famously not romantic. But it is a rom-com.
01:25:40
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A lesbian rom-com between... There's there's bits of both... There's some subtext. Shall we outro? Let's outro.
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