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She's All That
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To celebrate America's 250th birthday, why not listen to Emma & Katie recap one of Rom-Com's finest films: She's All That. Be silent, be still, supersize those balls, we're diving into the late '90s classic, where a high school bet, one art-loving outsider, and an alarming amount of choreographed prom drama somehow equals true love. We break down the iconic makeover montage, Freddie Prinze Jr.'s questionable decision-making, Rachael Leigh Cook's undeniable charm, and whether this romance actually holds up decades later.
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Introduction and Humorous Banter
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We hate to burn cast. I hate to burn cast. People just don't know our interesting green room conversation about wallpaper. I mean...
00:00:13
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We're both for it. We think it should come back. If I didn't have this stupid, like, crap all over me.
00:00:20
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wallpaper. love it. Like, do you remember our apartment? It has this, like... I remember... It's not stucco. It's like... Katie, it has not been 84 years since I have been to your apartment.
00:00:35
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I know that, but I don't know if you noticed the walls when you were here. There's like... It's like this wall treatment. It's not quite stucco, but it's definitely a stucco-like material yeah that is covering all the walls. It's textured. And...
00:00:49
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Yeah, it's gross. um Because when you hammer a nail into it, it comes off like in yeah in chunks. And you can see the drywall underneath it. And also there's a section behind a bookcase where there's clearly been some water damage and just like there's a giant crack and like pieces are falling off. But if I call the landlord and tell them I want them to come fix it, that means I'd have to move everything out of the dining room.
00:01:16
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I would... take but take God knows how long for them to to come and fix it. So I'm like, don't care. to the ma majority yeah That's a huge hassle.
00:01:29
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Emma and Katie in a nutshell. It's a huge hassle. Let's not do it. I mean, it's like I'm entertaining guests in the dining room a lot, you know? It's where you pod.
00:01:42
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It's where you cast. is. It's where i both pod and cast. Your apartment gives off, um this is like a very specific niche. It gives off Midwest teen who moves to LA in the 90s to make it as a as a movie star's apartment.
00:02:02
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Wow. I feel like that's a read, but I'm not sure how. No, no. it like It's like, you know, she's not super poor because mom and dad are helping her pay rent. um And it's like very California, LA-esque. realize it's getting worse, right? Like maybe some movie star in the 40s lived there or some sad wannabe in the 60s who could only make it in porn lived there.
00:02:30
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Great. Your apartment's really cute. It's the texture on the wall. Emma thinks my apartment is ter is like tragic. No! It gives off... Do you remember Angel? The TV show Angel?
00:02:45
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Of course I remember Angel. Are you talking about Cordelia's haunted apartment? Yes, I'm talking about Cordelia's haunted apartment. That's the vibe. Yeah, okay. Okay, sure, sure. that's That's what I'm getting at. It's giving off Cordelia's haunted LA apartment.
00:03:02
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All those LA apartments that are like motels, like are so scary to me. Like that is where you get serial killed. Like in Veronica Mars as well. Like, Oh yeah. Yeah. oh Or, um, Lady in the Water. Lady in the Water. I never saw a Lady in the Water.
00:03:18
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It's terrible. Don't see it. But they have the it's an apartment complex like that where it's like a motel where they're all facing like a pool. yeah Oh, yeah. I've um I mean, my I've had many a friend live in apartments like that because they're all over Houston.
00:03:31
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I think it's just like anywhere that it's like warm. um But like, yeah, it feels like you're going to a motel or a hotel. um And I mean, the the pool's cool when you're 19 and drunk.
00:03:46
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Sure. Yeah. A lot of things are cool when you're 19 and drunk. The Dave Matthews band is cool when you're 19 and drunk. Yeah. But like, yeah that doesn't make it good. yeah Yeah. It doesn't make it good. it doesn't make it good. Because you don't know when that pool was last cleaned.
00:04:02
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No, you do And fact that there's a bunch of 19-year-olds just skinny dipping in there. Speaking of pool cleaners... oh bull he's a pool installer a pool installer he has his own business he's mr pool yeah he's mr pool uh that's right guys not mr poop but mr pool and not mr pool like oh that's from a sitcom uh what sitcom with me who is mr pool Oh my God. ah It's going to bother me.
00:04:33
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um But that's right, guys. You guessed it.
Podcast Concept Introduction
00:04:36
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This is Go Get Your Girl. This is the podcast where Emma and Katie both attend a high school. We both attend a high school and we're witnessing this from the outside because neither of us should be in this situation. Have you cast? This is Gabrielle Union and Little Kim. Yes, we're Gabrielle Union and Little Kim. You can pick who is who.
00:04:57
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um And we're just witnessing this. And um there's the popular boy in school who is just like, he's good at everything.
00:05:07
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And his family's rich and everything's great. And his girlfriend, who was our friend, decides that she's going to break up with him for a guy from the real world. And so then he, in a moment of...
00:05:21
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We'll get into what we mean by the real world, but let's just move on for now. And he, in a moment of panic, decides with Fast and the Furious that that he... All true.
00:05:34
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Yep. that he That they're going to take someone... to they to prove a point, they're going to take someone who's not popular and make them prom queen. And along the way... So much more happens.
00:05:46
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Feelings arise. Friendships happen. Love blossoms and grows. um Things blow up in their faces. And um we think that this new girl's pretty cool. um Well, she's not new, but but um she's, you know, we think Lainey's pretty great. So don't understand why everyone's trying to get us to vote for Taylor for prom queen when obviously it should be Lainey. Yeah.
00:06:15
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Anyways, that's right, guys. I'm Emma. And I'm Katie. And today we are talking about She's All That from 1999.
Cinderella Film Discussion
00:06:27
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Directed who directed...
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robert iscove who directed um ah A bunch of TV trash in the 80s and 90s. And then in 1997 was granted the opportunity to direct Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella starring Brandy and Whitney Houston. I did not know this. This is actually a really, really fun fact.
00:06:49
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Oh my God. He directed Cinderella? Yeah. Which despite being like, I don't like Rodgers and Hammerstein's Cinderella. i don't know if we had this conversation before, but the songs are pretty bad.
00:07:01
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Yeah. It's not so bad. It's a 90s icon. It's a cultural touchstone for all of us of certain age. Yes. Yes. Brandy, Bernadette Peters.
00:07:12
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Jason Alexander. Jason Alexander. Goldberg. believe it is Bernadette Peters. Is the stepmother, right? Yeah. Whoopi Goldberg. um Victor Gerber. Like...
00:07:23
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It was the first movie, and I mean, we'll have to do it on this podcast, but it was the first movie that um explained to a child like me that um colorblind casting was possible. Don't question it.
00:07:39
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Because look at this job. It's really like, it's a thing that that has been done in theater for a long time. And like, that was really...
00:07:49
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One of the first times it was done on and like a large scale, like TV or a movie that that I saw or remembered, like I can't think of an example that was that big.
00:08:02
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um that was that widely seen yeah before that. And that was 1997, which is crazy. but um But yeah, like people related to each other, like doesn't matter. Just ignore it. Like Victor Garber with and Whoopi Goldberg had an Asian son.
00:08:21
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Yes. um It's all like, um because there's plenty of examples of like, you know, where they they do like cast a traditionally white character with a black actor and then, you know, make that character black, which is not what colorblind casting is. not colorblind casting. Colorblind casting is um these particular actors fit these particular roles and we're going to cast them. Yeah.
00:08:50
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don't worry if they don't look like each other. Yeah. It doesn't matter at all. Yeah. It doesn't matter. Um, it was absolutely beautiful and wonderful. And it is a, um, nostalgic cultural icon that I'm sure that we will have to do on this podcast.
00:09:04
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Yeah. I've seen it pretty recently. It's not very good, but, um, it's don't, don't spit on my childhood. I'm not, I'm not. Well, you're going to be mad about my opinions on this movie then. No. of ah So, yes, he directed that. He also directed um a trilogy of of of teen films.
00:09:25
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Oh. ah this is it start Starting with with this and then the movie Boys and Girls. Do you remember Boys and Girls? Vaguely. um Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's tetralogy or a quadrilogy, if you will. um ah i like a tetralogy.
00:09:42
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Yeah. Save the Last Dance. Oh, yes. Which we will do on this pod. Which is, you know, just garbage. And we will just have to have to talk about on this. of Emma, it's so bad. Save the Last Dance is terrible. Center stage is a fucking masterpiece compared to Save the Last Dance.
00:10:02
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Save the Last Dance gave us gave us ah so many cultural icons. it gave us It introduced Emma to hip hop. it Oh my God, Emma. No, it didn't. Surely not.
00:10:16
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listened to that soundtrack forwards and backwards and all over the place. That was the first time you'd ever heard hip hop. I don't believe you. I mean, it's the first time that I remember hearing hip hop. Texas is crazy. was in Connecticut at the time.
00:10:35
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Well, that's the same thing. What do we got? We got Snoop Dogg. We got ah Casey and Jojo. um Jill Scott. We got some people I've never heard of. Ice Cube, Montel yeah Jordan. so you know Notorious B.I.G. Okay, so like some hip hop and some R&B Q-Tip.
00:10:57
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Yep. All right. never listened to the Say the Last Dance soundtrack. I loved it. An early pink? A very early pink. Like, she's got
Tony's and Colonoscopy Anecdote
00:11:06
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those, like, sunglasses. Tony host pink?
00:11:08
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Yeah. Tony's host. Tony's own host pink. Which? my my i I, you know, I have not seen a play on Broadway in years, and so why would I watch the Tonys? It's just going to make me sad. I was talking to my mom and she was like, oh yeah, I turned it on the Tonys for a little while. I saw Pink. I'm like, oh, is she like, did she do a show? She's like, no, she's hosting it. i was like, yeah Pink is hosting the Tonys? And she goes, yeah. i'm like I'm like, that can't be right, mom. Surely she's not hosting the Tonys. No, she was hosting. And here's the thing. Here's the thing, Katie.
00:11:37
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She did a really fucking good job. She did a really fucking good job. Like it was one of the best Tonys in a while. Oh, before we even get into it.
00:11:49
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I haven't even told the listeners about my colonoscopy. Oh, right. Oh my God. So I watched the Tonys. It's taken me some time to digest the Tonys because i had to watch the Tonys on an only liquid diet, having not that' eaten anything all day and sitting next to Charles eating um pasta that he made for himself with basil infused olive oil. And he went above and beyond for himself. And he never does that for me. And um he was sitting there eating this delicious pasta and I'm there drinking my bone broth and juice and just slowly crying about how i want a breakfast burrito. And then I had to start that terrible drink at about five o'clock and the Tony's, cause I'm on the East coast are on at eight.
00:12:33
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And um so I'm three hours into my colonoscopy prep and anyone who's had a colonoscopy knows how fun that Sarcasm. sarcasm thanks for Thanks for explaining.
00:12:48
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You're welcome. So I'm peeing out of my butt. and Oh my God. And so having to pause the Tonys every five minutes. But um so like the Tonys ends and like I'm enjoying it. i you Wait, do you have a DVR in 2026? How are you pausing the Tonys?
00:13:06
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ah My parents have direct TV. Your parents? Are you you were you at your parents' house? No, but it's all on the internet now.
00:13:17
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Oh, so it's streaming. Oh, I see. streaming And you can pause it. Oh, interesting. Because sometimes stuff streams live and you can't pause it. No, no, no. You can pause it so you can fast forward through the commercials. okay. um Commercials later. So it's like a digital DVR. Interesting. thing yeah Yeah. I never watch anything live. I don't know.
00:13:34
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um We do all the time. and ah And so- you have sports in your house. Yeah. Yeah, so I have a sports boy, a boy who likes sports.
00:13:44
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ah And so I'm watching the Tonys and I'm enjoying it. I get emotional when Book of Mormon comes on the original cast because that musical has such a soft place in my heart. And um then Pink does Chicago, which was fabulous. She fucking crushed it.
00:14:02
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She did all that jazz and she just like rocked it. um And then um we had seen Ragtime and so we were all obviously rooting for Ragtime. i've been pushing charlie to see titanic and the jellicle ball he refuses to go see either he's very confused and asks a thousand questions about the jellicle ball he's like so they're not cats was like no no they're not cats was like then why are they all dressed like cats and i'm like they're not dressed like android webber had a moment of coolness oh
00:14:36
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But like these weirdos, right. Let these weirdos put it in ah like, uh, um, not a drag competition, but what's it called? A ballroom competition.
00:14:48
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A ballroom competition. And which we're not speaking ballroom, like ballroom dancing friends. We're speaking of ballroom dancing in a different sense. Google it, Google it, educate yourselves. Happy pride. yeah,
00:15:03
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But Charlie doesn't understand. And so I'm i'm having to explain to him, well, I have like no energy and I have no patience. And he's like, so then why are they dressed like that? I was like, it's an homage. It's an homage to the original source material, Charles.
00:15:18
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Just tell him to watch Pose. Right? Go the other room, watch three seasons of Pose and don't talk to me. Or is it Brooklyn is Burning? Or what was that documentary? Paris is Burning. Paris is Burning.
00:15:29
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parrot Brooklyn is Burning. Brooklyn is Burning. Paris is Burning. And go and educate yourself on the ballroom culture. Because I can't.
00:15:40
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um And I've had friends that have seen Jellicle Ball and they said it is a mastery in a reinvention while maintaining this, like, integrity of the source material.
00:15:51
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As someone who doesn't care about the integrity of the source material, i it sounds really cool. Yeah, exactly. um And we love Andre DeShields and, you know, he's Deuteronomy.
00:16:05
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And so he's asking me like a thousand questions and I'm just, I just can't take it anymore. And by the end of it I was like, that was fine. He was like, that was a really good Tony's. And I had to like, let it digest and get past my colonoscopy to be like, yeah, that was a really good Tony's.
00:16:21
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Yeah, colonoscopy Tony's is is rough. Yeah, it was really rough. I was so mad and sad. And boy, oh boy, when they kept mentioning two strangers carrying a cake across New York, I just wanted to fucking face face that cake.
00:16:35
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I had to watch the Tony's with um on colonoscopy brain and it sort of painted my Tony's. um I got emotional at weird times. I got angry a lot.
00:16:47
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painted the tonies is such a strange verb for you to choose yeah ancient the saudis um i yeah and uh in terms of my colonoscopy here's some fun facts for you guys um my veins are like so skinny i'm my veins are so skinny oh do they have a hard time with the iv no they found the iv fine Oh, okay. Not in that way. um Because i have very pale skin, so they're able to find my veins.
00:17:20
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But my veins are just like so skinny. The anesthesiologist was like, ooh, putting you under, um this medication is going to get a little spicy. And I was like, oh my god, I'm so skinny.
00:17:32
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Jesus Christ.
00:17:36
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and So that's the last thing I remember before I went under was going, it's going to look going to get a little spicy. And um I felt the saline, which was cold. And i was like, that's not spicy. That's cold. And then it started burning. And I was like, oh, no, no, no. I feel it. And he was like, just deep breath. And I was like, OK, because my veins are just so skinny.
00:17:55
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Stop. um I don't remember. I don't remember anything. Yeah. Yeah. Turns out, like, they don't put you under everywhere. Like, my friends down in Texas that have gotten it. Really?
00:18:07
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My friend, um, she was just, like, high as hell. And she was, she watched hers. Oh, I don't like that at all. I don't want to do that. i don't want that. I don't want to see inside me. Yeah. yeah Anyway, um ah all that being said, back to our regular
Teen Film Directors and Writers Overview
00:18:27
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scheduled program. Streaming along digression. Yep. 10 minutes colonel.
00:18:31
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He directed Save the Last Dance. And he also directed it from Justin to Kelly. And then since then, basically nothing else, as you might expect from someone who directed from Justin to Kelly. Do you think that you can stream from Justin to Kelly on Peacock?
00:18:47
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No, I don't think you can see it anywhere. I think it's um it's gone from the earth. It is like, that is like prime. That's a prime Emma pick for this pod. Of course it is. I don't know why I would be surprised.
00:19:03
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um I haven't seen from Justin to Kelly. I just know its reputation as being one of the worst movies ever made. Yeah, because it's like a beach party, but in Y2K with American Idol. um And also, isn't Justin gay?
00:19:19
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ah No, I don't believe he is. I think that ah Clay Aiken is gay. Oh, that's why I'm thinking of Clay Aiken, and it's not from from Clay to Kelly. Justin Garini is just simply gone.
00:19:32
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okay. like many of the winners of American Idol, yeah simply disappeared. Yeah. Yep. um Yep. Part of the conspiracy that ah what's his face? um Oh, my God. What's his name? The mean judge.
00:19:50
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Simon Cowell. Simon Cowell has to just sort of put them all in a bunker somewhere um so that they can all sing at the aliens when they arrive. Yeah, he's got Reuben stuttered, like locked in a cell somewhere.
00:20:04
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um All right. So the movie is written by Lee Fleming Jr., who has credits on Friends and One Tree Hill and Get Over It, which is, I believe, Midsummer Night's Dream. Is that what Get Over It is? It is. Loosely. Yes. And we will be doing it on this pod. Well, I imagine there's no fairies in it. but they do it in the high school. We'll do it. We'll get over it whenever we get over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get over it.
00:20:34
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And then, of course, a few years ago, he wrote the much maligned ah movie. He's all that the gender swapped revision of this um yeah by the same guy. I didn't realize it was him who wrote it. Oh, I didn't see that one. Did you see that? oh it's real bad. Yeah. I think this movie is bad and that movie is bad.
00:20:54
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I just like I can't I can't I can't digress from it. um Tell me a little bit about your history with this movie, Katie. im Hold on, I've got more. Oh, there's more. Okay. Arlie Fleming also was a writer, among many writers, but it's just funny to see it listed in his filmography, of the 2002 MTV ah Movie Awards, which... Love that....was hosted by Sarah Michelle Gellar and Jack Black. And...
00:21:18
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Like all teen movies that yeah came out between 1980 and 2010, maybe 2005. I'm not sure when exactly the cutoff is. MTV is featured heavily in this film. Oh, yeah.
00:21:32
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Oh, yeah. I was wondering, like, did he work for MTV? Like, how did they get the rights to, like, actually use the real world and not like a foe? um Yeah, because it's um it's Miramax. So it's not, I mean, if it was a Paramount movie, that would be, you know, one thing. Yeah. Because they're owned by the same company. But no, this is Miramax, which I believe was owned by Disney at the time. Oh, is Miramax still around?
00:21:57
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Miramax technically is still around because they still, like, have distribution deals and stuff. But, you know, obviously it's not. I mean, because the because the Weinsteins got kicked out of Miramax.
00:22:09
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Before like the, before everybody found out what an, what an asshole he was. Um, because yeah, because Disney has owned Miramax for a long time and then they kicked them out and and then the Weinstein brothers founded the Weinstein company, um, which in like the mid 2000, the 2010 maybe. I don't remember when exactly that happened.
00:22:29
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Hmm. but um But yeah, Miramax, I think, is still around, but I don't know if they i don't know if they use the the production logo, even if it is technically a Miramax film because of the associations. Yeah, it's a very much like um been tarnished.
00:22:46
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Yeah. So I'm guessing they just paid you know um Viacom, however much it costs for the the MTV stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But yes, so famously, ah m Night Shyamalan, several years ago, claimed that he ghost wrote this movie.
00:23:02
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And um the screenwriter, ah r Lee Fleming Jr., came out and said, no he didn't. Yeah. The director had to come out and say that Knight, as his friends call him, Knight, ah was hired to do a pre-production draft. And he added a bunch of plot points that are still in the movie. And he very much has like, Stuff in the movie is written by Knight And then r lee Fleming Jr. came in And did another draft on top Of that keeping a lot of the things that Knight added but changing the Keeping the dialogue in his Like with his Special take on how teenagers talk Or whatever the quote is It's
00:23:47
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it's screenwriters man Listen I know that I'm a playwright and I probably shouldn't Feel superior to screenwriters but like My God. Like, I just don't see, I don't see how y'all do it. Like, it just seems like a nightmare. ah Yeah.
00:24:05
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You gotta really have your own head up your own butthole. Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, to be a writer at all, you have to have a certain amount of ego because you're like, what I think about needs to be seen by other people.
00:24:17
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Like, yeah you all should pay attention to what I have to say. But like... I don't know. Screenwriters are different. They just are. Yeah. um Watch Sunset Boulevard. I don't know.
00:24:29
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they You can put explosions and stuff and that changes the personality type. It really does. Yeah. um Anyway, so yeah, we've got our cast, which is crazy stacked. It's weird. So fucking stacked.
00:24:46
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Like recognizable names, different. deep deep into the into the post and credit like it's wild um were you also did you get did you see who played soccer player number three um i did not but i recognized him when he came through the door it's milo ventimiglia yeah milo what's his name yeahmo girls it's jess yeah yeah um It's the annoying boyfriend of Rory. Oh, wait, that's all of them. That's all of them.
00:25:21
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Okay, so we start on her extremely high school art. um ah Like, just real cringe ah stuff she's putting out. um So, we oh so of that time, though. It's awesome.
00:25:35
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jen Gen X? They're Gen Xers? No, they're millennials. They're just a few years older than us. Oh, it was giving off major Gen X vibes. Well, it was written by Gen Xers is the thing gotta remember. It's like Dawson's Creek. Like all those like 15 year olds are talking like they're 35 and making references to the 70s. Like it's... That's true.
00:25:56
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It's who wrote it is what matters. um Yes. So um ah we've got two Oscar winners in this cast. We have Kieran Culkin and Anna Paquin, who are the younger siblings of our two leads. Yes.
00:26:11
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We have um Kevin Pollack and Tim Matheson as the dads of the characters. Yep. We have, as the students, we've got Freddie Prinze Jr. Yep. Rachel Lee Cook. Yep. um Usher.
00:26:24
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Yep. Usher. Lil' Kim. Lil' Kim. Gabrielle. Gabrielle Union. um ah ah Paul Walker and somebody else. There's another one. Dulé Hill. Dulé Hill. Yeah. That's crazy. yeah Clea Duvall.
00:26:45
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Clea Duvall. And Eldon Henson. Yep. Just all over the place. um The music is by Stuart Copeland from The Police. I did not know that. Yeah. Famously famous B culture um ah intruder. my God. um Oh, and then we also, of course, we have Matthew Lillard as Brock Hudson.
00:27:13
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Let's not forget Matthew Lillard. And then you get cameos all over the place. And then whoever his girlfriend is. like And then the much forgotten Jodi Lynn O'Keefe or whatever her name is yeah as Taylor Vaughn.
00:27:28
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Yeah. Who I'm sure everyone thought was going places in 1999. I mean, she looked like part of the girl. The only place she went was the Vampire Diaries. Yeah. 20 years later.
00:27:39
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twenty years later The, uh, yes. So, um, Zach Seiler is Freddie Prince Jr. Who's the king of the school in the way that we've talked about high school movies before, where I'm, I've, I've mentioned that like in real life, most of the super popular kids are nice.
Popular Kids and Relationship Drama
00:27:59
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Yeah. I feel because in order to be that popular, like you have to have a broad appeal. Yeah.
00:28:05
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Yeah, Taylor is the exception. she is the stereotype. But the reality is Zach. And it even like comes to play when he starts talking to Laney and she's just like, what do you want me to tour you? Like, I'm not smart. I'm not smart. And he goes, Laney, I have a 4.0 GPA.
00:28:24
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Like, I don't need you to tutor me. Yes, exactly. um ah He got into Harvard, Yale and Dartmouth, which is insane. Yeah, um ah yeah and Princeton.
00:28:37
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Oh, i didn't I didn't see Princeton. um So it is... Yeah, so he is this beloved um figure in high school. Everybody loves him. And it seems that everyone tolerates Taylor um because she is...
00:28:53
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I guess she's hot. She's not that hot, you know? like I mean, she's really pretty for like that. 1999. For 1999, for that aesthetic. Like she... She's tall. Yeah. She's like a model. Yeah. Yeah, she's like a model, I guess. Yeah, she looks like a model.
00:29:10
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um And she's mean in that way that like, you know... Everybody kind of wants to be on your side. Like, you don't want to be under Taylor's thumb.
00:29:21
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um You want her to like you. Which is like... but she's not like Rachel Leigh Cook or Gabrielle Union beautiful, you know? No, but but the whole, like, the funny bit about this movie... Okay, so this movie...
00:29:33
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Charlie has seen this movie. I've made him watch it two times, but every single time he forgets it. And so we watched it again on Saturday. And the same thing happened to me last time we watched this movie, which is famous spoof movie, not another teen movie. Not another teen movie, yeah. It's like almost shot for shot so many of these scenes that you get confused.
00:30:00
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not another teen movie. is good and this movie is bad. that is a hot take. that might be why, listen, I don't say it's great.
00:30:12
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Um... And I don't remember. I haven't seen it in a long time. One time i was like i was like, let's watch not another teen movie. And Caitlin was like, hell yeah. And it was not streaming, not available, even if you paid money. Could not yeah could not be seen. So I don't know. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I am i remember it positively. Yeah. um I'm going to maybe watch it for the show eventually. but Oh, we will. love that movie. definitely think that it's better than this movie. So that that's a reasonable explanation as to why it would supplant it. okay also it's shot in the same high school which is the buffy high school which i recognized immediately which we'll get to my first fun fact later when we get to that scene but um but it um because so much is like directly just copy and pasted but like then spoofified for not another team movie you get some plot points confused
00:31:06
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And so Charlie was like, oh, is it? Oh, i I thought that his her dad was like super, super poor and like an alcoholic. And I was like, no, that's not another teen movie, Charlie. Yeah, your dad's fairly successful pool installer. He has his own company. He's Mr. Pool. He's Mr. Pool.
00:31:24
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Are you thinking of Mr. Plow from The Simpsons? Is that what you're thinking of? Nope. There's a Mr. Pool. i'm gonna I'm going to look it up. I believe you. um But yeah. His truck has been defaced to where someone wrote Mr. Poop on it. And then someone again, and they have they are also drew a big L over it to make it say Mr. Pool again, which I think nice Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Of course. That should have been my first guess.
00:31:48
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Paul Figg's character. Figg. Figg. Figg. Figg, I think. Yeah. Paul Figg's character. Maybe it's Figg. Figg. Don't know. The science teacher was Mr. Poole. I was like, why is it so familiar?
00:32:03
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Sabrina. um um So we have all these yeah high schoolers. Sorry. You're fine. Yeah. There is one of the girls who is another one of the the girls whose actress I didn't write down because she hasn't done anything since this ah is named Chandler, which I love yeah because one of my best friends in the world is a girl named Chandler. it's like, hey, girl named Chandler. i Love to see it.
00:32:26
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um And Taylor Vaughn, who is the bitch queen of the school, has come back from Daytona. And there she met while at MTV Spring Break. And now going to have a digression on MTV Spring Break. We have to explain the listeners. MTV Spring Break.
00:32:44
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What MTV Spring Break was. I had to vaguely explain it to Charles. He knew of it only through um ah Arrested Development and Zach Braff's character on Arrested Development.
00:32:56
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Because forgot they didn't have MTV Spring Break in the UK. um They certainly did. They had it. They had MTV. I know they had MTV in England. So they had MTV Spring Break. It wasn't cultural phenomenon.
00:33:14
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I believe that it wasn't a cultural phenomenon because it's stupid and garbage. yeah And I can't believe it was a cultural phenomenon here. But they definitely, it was there. It was on air. Just it wasn't embraced as it was in America. Well, he had no what the real world was. And so I had to explain that him. Now, that is on him. Because the real world was absolutely a phenomenon. And he just didn't watch it. I'm sorry. The real world was huge. The real world created reality TV.
00:33:46
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Yes, it absolutely did. If you think that Big Brother... that That's an English show, right? is Yeah, yeah. Is it an English version is it Australian? it's No, it's ah one of the two.
00:33:57
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um But I feel like like that's their version of the real world, but it's not. so It's not. I mean, it's different, of course, but I'm saying if you think that the guy who created that, is that Mark Burnett? um Whoever created that.
00:34:08
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If he didn't see the real world and get the idea from that, you're crazy. That is absolutely where it came from. I've seen documentaries on the real world, and I know that it is the creation of reality TV. Because they were like, what we just took bunch of randos and put them in a house and made them get a job, and then we just filmed it? people stopped being nice and started being real? Yeah! can't believe I pulled that out, actually. real world's yaddle. Yeah.
00:34:32
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of The Real World Seattle. I was obsessed with The Real World Seattle. That was my favorite one. um Anyway. The real world. Yes. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Back up. Sorry. Sorry. We have to explain both The Real World and MTV's Spring Break. Yes.
00:34:47
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So, the history of reality television. Yes. I believe the show was called The Family or A Family or An American Family. Yes. And it was in the 80s and it was on PBS. And it was literally like, we're just going to put some cameras in this family's house and watch them.
00:35:06
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Before that, there's the 7-Up series, which is which is British, um where this documentarian, it took a bunch of seven-year-olds. I don't remember how many. There's a lot of them.
00:35:17
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And interviewed all of them and, like, found out about their lives. And it was um it was on, it was a TV documentary. And then every seven years, they've gone in and checked in with them up until this year, where even the the guy who who who started it has passed away and somebody else is finishing it. But 70 Up is coming out this year.
00:35:40
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Oh, my God. And every seven years they've gone back and now they're, they're released theatrically and there's like, you know, and not everybody has participated every time. Some, some people dropped out early. a couple people have died Some people have, um, have been gone for a couple and then come back and like,
00:35:58
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it's It's all over the place. Yeah. But that was first for sure. And then An American Family was like the first TV show, but but it was still on PBS. You know, it was very, do it was more like a documentary than like manufactured reality. The real world is really, yeah, the real world is really the first thing because it started in like,
00:36:16
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I want to say like 1990, 91. That was the first year. It was like the early 90s, like very beginning of the 90s. Like they were wearing outfits from that extras in Sister Act were wearing.
00:36:30
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And I'm not talking about the nuns. Yeah. It was, i believe the first season was New York or LA, one of those. Yeah. And it was get a bunch of Young adults, like early 20s. Mm-hmm. Put them in a house together and they're like, get like a black guy and a racist and a Mormon and a gay person. And like they're, and everybody has to be an asshole pretty much. Yeah. And put them in a house house together and watch them scream at each other. And like, yeah they didn't win anything. It wasn't a game show. It was just like, they had to get jobs and they had to like,
00:37:16
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do challenges sometimes, but there was, everybody stayed in the house the whole time unless you got kicked out, which did happen a few times. Yeah. But like, for the most part, like it was just them living in the house and like just being horrible to each other.
00:37:31
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yeah Yeah. And it was partially like, there was some, there was a bit of it, there was like lifestyle porn where it was like, we're going to give you like the, the sickest apartment anyone's ever seen. Like you're going to live in this firehouse and you know, you're going to, Oh yeah. Like real world Austin.
00:37:47
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um ah Yeah. for Whichever one. Yeah. a And it was just like, everybody was way into it. It was super. And then they did road rules and then they do like road rules, real world challenge, which he mentions on this. Yeah. Cause road rules is like more of a game and they drive across the country and do stuff. um And it was just, it was the beginning of reality. It was the beginning of the end really of art. Yeah. It in the real world.
00:38:15
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That's not to be said that Emma and Katie have not watched the real world. Well, because the thing that they would do is when you're like eight years old at your grandma's house and you have nothing to
Impact of 90s Reality TV
00:38:25
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do on a Saturday and they show the real world marathon from ah noon to eight at every episode, like you can just watch the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. yeah It was like also the beginning of binging.
00:38:38
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Yeah, 100%. 100%. And MTV made it and created it. And then she's all that utilized it for multiple plot points in this. The point of it that we're getting at is to say that everyone in the real world was the worst.
00:38:53
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And yes, Brock, I mean, with a few occasions with a few exceptions, they'd be yeah like the sweetest girl in the world. Let's just put her in there to see how long it takes before she cracks. Yes.
00:39:06
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Um, but Brock is the worst. Yes. So MTV spring break. Okay. explained the real world. You explained MTV spring break. MTV spring break. So let's imagine a world where MTV is like, let's take all these random, um, hot teenagers and 20 something or college kids and 20 somethings.
00:39:30
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And um have a big cool and a big like layout. And we're going to have like musical guests and we're going to have just constant 24 hour footage of them just dancing and partying. And we're just going to broadcast it with our VJs.
00:39:45
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ah That's right. That's video DJ. That's right. Kennedy, downtown Julie Brown, yeah the other Julie Brown, um that one weird kid. What was that? What was that freak's name? um i can't What was the guy's name that was like super buttoned up? He looked the only one that looked like an adult. Oh, Kurt Loder? Kurt Loder.
00:40:07
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Oh, Kurt Loder is great. I'm talking about and who's the there was a there was a freak ah who won the the like reality show want to be a VJ. And he was just like this weird rap guy. I can't think of his name. Yeah.
00:40:19
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Yeah, there were a bunch. I mean, Carson Daly was the most famous one. exactly. Yeah. Amanda Lewis. And they'd usually send they'd usually send Carson Daly down there. Jesse Camp is what thinking of. yes Yeah, Jesse Camp, wannabe of EJ.
00:40:32
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um And yeah, they used they would send Carson Daly down there. They would send Kurt. It was always so funny when they spent sent Kurt down there because he's he's like the only one wearing a shirt and everybody else around him just like kurt loader is was the adult yes i mean he had been in he had been in mtv since like the 80s like i yeah he was like and then he was like the serious one like when you know when somebody died like mtv news kurt loader would come in and tell you about it yeah yeah nine eleven i remember hearing so much about 9-11 from kurt loader yeah he's the only one with gravitas yeah
00:41:10
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um but ah But yeah, so, and then of course it just, let's get these people blackout. Let's get these girls blackout drunk. Let's get these guys blackout drunk. And um Girls Gone Wild came in and took advantage of many in MTV Spring Break.
00:41:26
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But it was just all about um getting people blackout drunk in skimpy little bikinis and just filming them dancing around a pool. That was pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. And people, i watched it.
00:41:40
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And I wasn't like real into MTV spring break as you might guess. Yeah. I developed, it helps develop a very negative body image. Yeah. It'll do that. Yeah. Cause it's like, and again, again, I mean, spring break is still a thing. Um, ah like in Daytona beach and Myrtle beach and all the, in Miami and all those places. Yeah. um where a bunch of college kids all go and the the hotels have these events and there's all this like these like you know marketing and you know red bull has like you know stuff down there yeah i'm sure that's all still happening i think it is yeah but mtv would just go there and then find the hottest people they could yeah and pull them into like behind the velvet rope kind of thing so it's a very like um
00:42:31
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pick me kind of atmosphere down there. Exactly. Yeah. It's ah like, if you're on MTV spring break, like you're hot. Oh, a hundred percent. yeah so all of that being said, we're 46 minutes into the episode. We credits have not ended yet because all of this, she breaks up with him before the credits are over.
00:42:53
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So Taylor Vaughn breaks up with him because while on Dancing on a Float at MTV Spring Break, she yeah meets Matthew Lillard's Brock Hudson, yeah who is from ah the real world. Yes. So all of that information was necessary for you to understand who Brock Hudson is.
00:43:13
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boy.
00:43:15
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oh boy It's going to long one. ah It's also world building, Katie. We had to build the world of what, 1999? Like being a teenager. It's crazy. Like, again, we're going to have to talk about Josie the Pussycats at some point. Which is another one of these things where it's like, it's such a cultural artifact now. Like, I...
00:43:35
Speaker
Would love to show Josie and the Pussycats to some of my like 20 something friends, but I'm going to have to explain so much to them. Like, I don't know if it's going to work. Well, I had to do that with don't know what TRL is.
00:43:45
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They didn't have TRL in the UK. And so like, I to explain to Charlie. They did have it. Just he didn't watch it. yeah They had Top of the Pops. It's aunt and Deck. Just tell him it's Ant and Deck. Yeah. He just like, he didn't get it. And he didn't understand any of the jokes. And he didn't understand any of the cameos. and I was like, oh my God, it's Carson. he was like, who? But Charlie is our age, roughly. Like, I know yeah I'm a couple years older than you. And he's a couple years younger than, I'm a couple years older than you. And he's a couple years younger than you. Yeah.
00:44:14
Speaker
He's got the brain of not only an 85 year old, but also a 16 year old okay i don't know what that means it means he's also into magic the gathering and oh sure sure sure sure he loves gardening and bird watching he's a nerd emma and like it's fine we all love nerds no you don't you famously hate them no no no no no i hate what nerds have done to our culture and i hate those people individual nerds i love like
00:44:49
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Caitlin is a nerd. Like, my God. hu Yeah. um I'm a nerd. We're both nerds too, Emma. Just about different things. Just about different things.
00:45:00
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Anyways, she's all that. Yeah. ah the Heavens. um Where were we? Yes. So immediately he and his best friends, who are Paul Walker and Dulé Hill.
00:45:16
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Yep. start talking about like how he doesn't need her and how like he, he claims that his influence is so great that he can make anyone prom queen, right? It's, it's Pygmalion. The movie is Pygmalion or My Fair Lady, whatever you want to yeah call it. Yeah.
00:45:37
Speaker
And he has um said that you pick the girl. just got that. You just got that it was Pygmalion? No, you didn't.
00:45:49
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Why didn't they have a scene where they're in class reading Pygmalion? How else would I would have known? That's crazy. You're right. You're so right. Usually they would do that. They probably cut it out. I bet they shot it and cut it out.
00:46:01
Speaker
God damn you! Because there's there's only one teacher at this school and she teaches art and she is at prom for some reason. And she always has a feather. She's always carrying a feather. Why is she always carrying a goddamn feather?
00:46:14
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She's an art teacher. It's how you know she's artistic. um ah She, um so yes. So Paul Walker picks Lainey Boggs, who is.
The Central Bet Plot Begins
00:46:24
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Yeah, Lainey Boggs.
00:46:26
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Who is, as he describes her, he said he says something like, I think he says fat I can deal with, which yikes. Yeah. um He also says like, you know, um something else like, like, you know, ugly girls I can deal with. Because the again, the point is the like the, the cultural footprint of this is that she's supposed to be ugly, but they never say she's ugly. No, because she's not, she's obviously not ugly. She's Rachel Lee cook. She's gorgeous. She's scary and inaccessible is how they describe her.
00:46:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um and she is she's like shut off she doesn't like talk to me she hates everybody um she's kind of a bitch everything she um no matter what she's a debbie downer is what she is she is yeah she does wear glasses um she asks her to stop wearing yeah and for some reason wears overalls to school every day which is crazy Her pink cover and overall. You're in Los Angeles. It is hot.
00:47:26
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It matter. She's artsy. Yeah. um So they're like, okay, fine. The bet is i could make Lainey Boggs prom queen in two months. Because yes, it's between the movie takes place between spring break and graduation. Which, yes honestly, a lot of teen movies don't do this. Like, what is the... lot Was it... um Drive Me Crazy has this weird time dilation thing where it's like, it's not prom. It's it's like the Founder's Day dance because they have to have it in the fall. And it's very confusing. Yeah. Just it between spring break and graduation. You can have prom. They do actually give us a timeline in this, which is uncommon for a teen movie. And the thing about this movie is like, I think it really works almost halfway through the movie. And that it it really, really starts to fall apart after the party.
00:48:16
Speaker
But we will get there. I'm so interested to hear how it falls apart. um ah so um she Her art Her art sucks. The art teacher is like,
00:48:30
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What part represents you? It's like, yeah, this is bullshit, Lainey. Like, what you talking about? Clea Duvall, who's one of her peers, who is another art artist and two other girls drinking frappuccinos, tell her that in order to be a great artist, she should just go kill herself.
00:48:47
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She does. Clea Duvall in a um against type casting for her as a goth bitch. Yep, yep.
00:48:59
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Or she's not even goth. She's just, she just has too much eyeliner. um She's a rich art kid. She's a rich art kid. Yeah. She's actually a kind of an interesting character. Like she's um ah ah like just really mean for no reason, which again, like is kind of more accurate to high school. Like yeah the people who were the biggest assholes in my high school were weirdos and and people who, you know, had been either shunned themselves from from, you know, popularity or were shunned by yeah popular people, which, you know, isn't great. You shouldn't do that to anybody. Yeah. But, you know, and probably part of that personality came from that and they probably didn't have great home lives and let's not over psychoanalyze high school students, but... yeah
00:49:50
Speaker
The people who were the people who picked on people generally were, you know, not the, not the super popular kids. Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:01
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um Except for Taylor Vaughn, who is just evil. Yeah. But I mean, she probably has a rough home life. We don't get to know that. um The only thing we hear about her home life was that her mom was homecoming queen.
00:50:15
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Her sister was homecoming queen. Her cousin was homecoming queen. Everybody in her family was homecoming queen. Her sister would have been homecoming queen if not for that scandal on Color Me Bad's yacht or whatever she says. yeah, yeah. Color Me Bad's tour bus, yeah. Yeah.
00:50:31
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i there's ah There's a good gag earlier where um he has this whole conversation with her about, and she tells him the spring break story, where the camera kind of like pulls way back and you realize that everyone sitting outside eating lunch was all listening to them in complete dead silence. And then they notice and everyone starts talking again, which is pretty cute. There's a lot of like tongue in cheek things in this movie that I think that I like a lot.
00:50:58
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Yeah. I mean, yeah there's some laughs in it. It is. There there are. It's not a dour time. Like there's some there's some laughs in it. um Yeah. you say Oh, I was going to say we completely forgot about um ah her art artsy fartsy um friend.
00:51:17
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This is our second Arquette. um It's not Patricia Arquette. What's her name? Alexis Arquette. Alexis Arquette. Who is this?
00:51:28
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Alexis Arquette is. no I know who, I know who she is. Who did she play in the. Be silent. Be still. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. she's met I did not. I didn't recognize her. Yeah, i am yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:51:43
Speaker
That is. ah Yeah, that's fair. um and Be still. Yeah, it's real bad. So we also have Eldon Henson as her gay coded best friend. Yep. um ah who is in the Mighty Ducks and is on Daredevil now. Charlie got real excited. He was so excited when he saw Eldon.
00:52:05
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um But he is an excellent example of how Lainey pushes people away because she constantly is telling him that she he can't eat certain things because... um like the tuna or the cracker company that are the crackers he's going to eat owns a tuna company that doesn't use actual tuna. They use dolphins and X, Y, and Z. She's a Debbie Downer is what she is. And she's also like telling him that he needs to go on a diet. Like she's not nice. She's not nice.
00:52:34
Speaker
But he's he's still her friend anyways, for whatever reason. They've been best friends since they were little kids. yeah Yeah. And he's so lovely and nice and wonderful and supportive and protective. And I love him. And I would murder for this guy.
00:52:47
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Yeah, he's the best. Yeah. um ah so we've got. um So he Zach is like, OK, fine, I'll um I'll become Lainey Boggs's friend and I'll make a prom queen.
00:53:00
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is like, I want you to teach me about art. um And of course, they never do that. no There's never a scene of him of her teaching him about art. They just start hanging out. so confused She's so confused. He goes to her a place of work, which is a Mediterranean Chipotle. And...
00:53:18
Speaker
um and it where She wears a falafel hat. Yeah. Yeah. ah forize your balls emma forize your pis Supersize your balls, your balls. And he is just like, he wants her to quote unquote, educate him on art.
00:53:37
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And she's just like, this has to be a scam. This has to be a scam. But instead, um Eldon, I was just like, well, he can have my ticket for that like art thing that you're doing at that art center tonight. um yeah And Charlie made a really good point after the fact, um because when we see the actual like art, the like performance art piece that ah she's in with Mitch um and some other people, Eldon didn't need to give up his ticket. There were plenty of tickets.
00:54:07
Speaker
Oh, yeah. It was not packed. Yeah. It was nowhere near being sold out. No. um So she takes him to this performance art, which is terrible. Yeah. um ah Just really awful performance art. I mean, I guess it's something that high schoolers would do. Although, you know, Mitch is in college for sure. I saw him as like a full grown adult.
00:54:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how old um she was that point. And bullshit. Yep. and just bullshit um and Lainey decides to play a prank on him when where so she tells them that we have a new artist in our midst. Zach, come up here on stage. And he does real performance art. He actually does really good work. Just improvises it. He does a hacky sack and he starts hacking hacky sack.
00:54:58
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Which again, i had to explain hacky sacks to Charles. He's a soccer player. Um, and he starts talking about the like pressure of being a teen. And then the ball drops me and you know, he, it's a beautiful piece.
00:55:13
Speaker
And he just sort of like crushes it. But then afterwards he's like, tell me how much I suck. And he was like, you didn't suck. You didn't suck. And he goes, no, no, come on. She goes, okay. It was like kind of bad. It was pretty bad. You totally suck.
00:55:25
Speaker
When in reality, piece was so good. The idea, I mean, she's she's definitely like, that's what she finds interesting about him is because she can see the vulnerability in him. She's, when she says, okay, it sucked, she's just saying that to, because that's what he wants to hear. Like, I think that we get that she was really moved by it. Yeah, because of the scene where she's watching it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. um It's, um and and then he,
00:55:59
Speaker
he so yeah he tell He asked her why she wears glasses. And she has he says, don't you have contacts? She goes, i like touching my eyes. he goes, oh, your eyes are really beautiful. And she's like, bullshit, man. Stop this. She goes, nope. Nope, nope, nope.
00:56:10
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You can find your own way home. Goodbye. Get a ride with Mitch. Yep. yeah Shut it down. So then he has to like, and he's constantly having to like restart this sort of connection.
00:56:23
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um yeah And so his next move is to just show up randomly at her house and be like, want to go to the beach? ah and and he runs into her dad who's telling him about stuff that he finds in pool filters and her adorable brother Oscar award winner Kiernan Culkin Yeah, who is wearing hearing aids in this movie that are never commented on. Nope. Or anything, which... Yeah. i Okay, I guess. Maybe there's a scene that was deleted about it because Tana Culkin is of fine sound hearing, to which I'm aware. ah Yeah, yeah. It's definitely a character thing that just, I think, probably got ignored. Yeah. um They talk about ah Wiggage, um which is... I i was going to say Kiernan Culkin asks Zach to play Sega.
00:57:16
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Yeah, he does. yeah um And he's like, let's go to the beach. And she's like, I don't want to go to the beach. i And he is... um and And she's like, okay, well, I'll just hang out and talk to your dad and play Sega with your brother then. And she goes, okay, fine. We'll go to the beach. Yeah. She's like, let me get my suit. And so they go to the beach. And then Fast and the Furious and Lil' Kim and Gabrielle Union and DeLay Hill all show up.
00:57:43
Speaker
And they're like, hey, because um Paul Walker's character like constantly is like trying to win this bet. So he's trying to just like pull the rug out from underneath Zack at any turn just for funsies. Yes. um Also because he's an asshole. Yeah, because he's an asshole. And so he he found out from ah Zach's parents that he was at the beach and he was like, well, I know exactly where at the beach he's going to be. So they just all sort of like bombard Zach and Lainey as they're having this really nice walk down the beach.
00:58:11
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And um then you get... The scene where Gabrielle Union, um Chandler, and Lainey are all laying out, getting sun.
00:58:22
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And Delia Hill's like, you guys want to play some volleyball? And Chandler's like, no no, thank you. And he, he like asks Lainey, he's like, Lainey, you want to play some volleyball? And Chandler interrupts and goes, no, she doesn't.
00:58:34
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She's like, sorry, no offense. And she's like, uh, she's like, I just, I've seen you in gym class. You run like a girl. and she's like I am a girl. She's like, you know what I mean.
00:58:46
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yeah um ah And this is also where she takes off her overalls ah to show her one piece, one piece bathing suit. And um Paul Walker says, check out the Bobos on Super Freak, which is ADR.
00:59:03
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And doesn't match what he's saying. So I don't, I want to know, did he say tits? Cause they say tits earlier. I don't know what he would have said that got, that got changed. There's a few lines like that. There's also a bit where um Freddie Prince Jr. says he can bump monkeys with any girl in this school. Yeah. But his head is turned away from the camera and it's very clearly ADR. So I don't know what the dialogue actually was originally. There's several of those. And I don't know if like they were just worried they were going to get an R. So they like cut a but they eighty yard a bunch of stuff to make sure they got a PG-13 because it's a teen movie. So yeah.
00:59:37
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I don't know. it's I'm sure somewhere on the internet somebody's figured it out. um but ah But yes, they realize that she's hot because she's wearing swimsuit. Yeah, because she's wearing a swimsuit. And she's Rachel Lee Cook.
00:59:51
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um and Yeah, she's she's five foot zero with big boobs. Yes. Rachel Lee fucking cook. And so then they play volleyball, um which she's not good at, um but they all have a really good time and they have a lot of fun. And Gabrielle Union joins Everyone likes her. Yeah. Genuinely likes her. And everyone is nice to her except for Paul Walker. Yep.
01:00:16
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Yep. Everybody is nice. Because he's asshole and he's trying to win the bet. Yeah. Versus everybody else is just being nice because she's hanging out with Zach. Yeah, and she's not being she's not being, you know, weird and and and and ah condescending and and too good for everybody, which is how she behaves in high school generally, yes. Yeah, exactly.
01:00:38
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And so at the end of it, um Paul Walker's like... um Oh, that was so much fun. ah You guys really need to swing by whatever D.L.A. Hill's party is. Preston.
01:00:49
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Preston's party. um And because Preston's parents are out of town and he's hosting a he's hosting a blowout. and And so Lainey, like, you know, feels on the spot. She's like, yeah, okay, whatever. Sure. And then everybody leaves and she's just like, um yeah, I can't go to that.
01:01:09
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um I have stuff to do. And Zach's like, what are you talking about? Like, you just said yes. And she's like, no, I got to clean the house. It's really dirty. Like, I can't. and The house is so gross.
01:01:20
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um And so then he shows up later with the JV soccer team. uh to clean her house and yeah he's just like you said you needed your house clean i brought people to clean your house um and they'll do anything for me because they're the jv team and uh she's like well i don't have anything to wear and then anna pakman walks in and she goes well that's where i come in and she's here to give her a good old-fashioned 90s rom-com makeover Yeah, um which like she is like an aspiring makeup artist, I think is the idea there. Yeah, something. she's like a couple years younger than them, maybe. She's like 16 or so. Yeah, and she goes to she goes to private school, which I always- Oh, she? Yeah. that's why she's wearing the tie. didn't get that. Yeah. She goes to private school and I always gather the fact that like she was a little bit more problematic than Zach, which is why they put her in private school versus letting her go to school. Oh, she in the prom then?
01:02:19
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um Because he takes her as his date. Oh, that's right. Yeah, of course. Yeah. He takes her as his date because... That's right. That's right. Da-doy. Da-doy. So sorry. I watched this movie this morning. um ah yeah um so Yes, this is the this is the makeover scene. um ah We find out that her mom died before she could teach her about, you know, makeup and yeah wearing dresses. um
01:02:52
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yeahp and Her dad is downstairs during this whole bit, confidently answering Jeopardy questions incorrectly, which is a pretty good running gag. Yep. Very, very good. And her brother is eating peanut butter out of a jar, ah just like on his hand. thinking Making cocktails for for Zach with just random ingredients. He's like, are you sure this is a margarita? Yeah. He's like, yeah, absolutely. absolutely Um, ah so they cut all her hair off and get rid of her glasses and and put her in a low cut dress and she walks down the stairs. very beautiful red silk dress.
01:03:34
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To Sixpence None the Richers' Kiss Me, which is the first song I ever learned how to play on the guitar. Yep. It's iconic. The scene is this is rom-com canon. Her walking down the stairs to kiss me and looking up and then Zach with his like jaw on the floor. Like it's a rom-com canon. Every single girl has always wanted slow-mo walk down the stairs to Sixpence and on the Rutgers kiss me moment.
01:04:01
Speaker
Of a certain age. Of a certain age. Of a certain age. I mean, I still do. Every time I dress up for any sort of wedding. If I walk down those stairs and Six Pins Down the Ritcher. And then I stop. and All right, Charlie, hit kiss me.
01:04:14
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hit hit it. Hit it. And then I walk down and then he has to go, whoa.
01:04:24
Speaker
Um, ah yeah. So, um, ah and this is, ah he takes her to the party, which is at this mansion because all these kids are super rich. Yeah.
01:04:36
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Um, and this is where Paul Walker confronts him he's like, Hey, are you mixing business with pleasure? And he's like, no, it's just a bet because he's trying to like tell himself that he doesn't. Yeah. He has a coffee. He's trying to convince himself that he doesn't, but he's catching feels because they're starting to get to know each other and they really enjoy each other's company.
01:04:54
Speaker
um which is really nice. ah Taylor and Brock show up and they're already drunk. Yep. And Brock does a a dance. I don't even know what the song is. I just know it from, it that is the song. It's give it to it's ah Give It To Me Baby by Rick James.
01:05:09
Speaker
yeah Give it to me, baby. Give it to me, baby. Give it to me, give it to me. Give it to me, give it to me. um And it's, again, iconic rom-com canon. Yeah. And she's deeply embarrassed by this. Like previously, like it showed like he he has a tattoo of himself on his arm, which is very funny. He is like, he makes her watch the real world with him in it over and over again while she's trying to like, like kiss on him. And he's like, no, so stop that. Watch.
01:05:35
Speaker
Yeah. um don when This guy sucks so bad. When I go, I'm going to like a, like an interview thing and i don't want to really smell like you're spit. An audition. Like he's trying to turn this into being a celebrity, which.
01:05:47
Speaker
didn't happen for anybody on the real
Character Critiques and Humorous Moments
01:05:49
Speaker
world. Yep. Nope. No, it did not. Did it? Did anybody on the real world get like TV show? feel like somebody did. Somebody. Surely they did. i mean, they did like 20 seasons of that thing. There were a ton of those people. I'm sure somebody got a, um, yes, we meet, um, ah Clay Duvall is sick in the bathroom. And, um, for some reason, Oh, Jamie Chung.
01:06:16
Speaker
I don't know who Jamie Chung is. um She's a movie star um and fashion icon. ah okay har What's his name from Queer Eye?
01:06:31
Speaker
Karamo? I don't know. Karamo? Oh, Karamo was on The Real World? That makes sense. Karamo? Karamo was The Real Yes, Jamie Chung looks familiar.
01:06:41
Speaker
Jamie Chung and Mike the Miz... Mizellin. No, no. I mean, movie star is strong for her.
01:06:52
Speaker
she i know Jamie Chung. Yeah, she's done some things. She's done a lot of stuff. I love Jamie Chung. Okay. I remember being obsessed with her fashion in the early 2000s.
01:07:06
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um She was like a fashion icon. Okay. She was on Days of Our Lives. Yep. She was in, that I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. Okay. She was Mulan on Once Upon a Time.
01:07:19
Speaker
Sure. um ah Wait, was she really? She's Korean. Don't ask those questions. right
01:07:31
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i' ah All right. Anyway. Just another digression is exactly what we needed an hour and 11 minutes into this episode. Exactly. So for some reason she's for some reason, she's nice to Clea Duvall and like gives us her a tissue and Clea Duvall is like, I'm the rich art school girl who got into all the all the art schools you want to go to and you're cleaning up my vomit.
01:07:55
Speaker
Yeah, she's a fucking bitch. and it's it's because, and again, this is because I've seen this movie so many times that every single character I've given a backstory to. So um similar to how Anna Paquin was troubled and did a lot of things that her parents got and got caught by her parents, like doing like a lot of like making out with boys and like sexy time things. And so that's why they put her in Catholic school.
01:08:19
Speaker
Clea Duvall just really wants to be accepted by the popular kids and really, really, really wants what she is witnessing Lainey Boggs doing, which is becoming accepted by them. And, yeah you know, and so she's jealous and that's why she lashes out at Lainey and totally says all of those things when she's drunk. And Lainey in um defense of herself um takes Clea Duvall's makeup bag and um paints her face like a clown.
01:08:49
Speaker
Very well, actually. Very, very well. very, very well. Yes, yes. She had some real surprising colors in that makeup bag that took with her at the party for some reason. It's weird.
01:09:03
Speaker
um Yes. So this is where, and again, now, Taylor, follow through the timeline on this because this is the same day that they went to the beach. Taylor Vaughn has no idea that Zach is hanging out with her.
01:09:18
Speaker
Like, yeah well she and she hasn't seen them together. so Yeah, but it's the same day and it's Saturday. yeah but like she would have seen her friends, right? And like, I think it's like a vibe thing. Like she sees Lenny Bonds. They don't like her. Like, it's not like Gabrielle Union called her from the beach.
01:09:40
Speaker
She just is there and is immediately a bitch to her, so pours her drink on her and is like, you didn't think you were here because people liked you, right? Yeah. You did. Which is this one running thing throughout the movie. Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:55
Speaker
And then she's like, you're going to, are you going to cry? are you yeah go are you going to cry? And then um of course, Lainey runs away and cries. And then she trips and falls and,
01:10:06
Speaker
um and on
Prom Rivalries and School Dynamics
01:10:09
Speaker
stones. She's wearing heels on gravel, yeah. Yep, and I would have completely just ripped up my leg if that was me. Um...
01:10:17
Speaker
But she's perfectly fine. And Zach comes over and he's just like, I'm sorry. She weighs like 85 pounds tops. you know, she's like a little bird. Like it just doesn't give much damage to her when she falls. But still, still like knees first on gravel. Like there's going to be some cuts there. There's going to be some damage. Just like. like but but but little Like a squirrel falling out of a tree. Like it's no big deal. ah
01:10:42
Speaker
um But Zach is there and he's just like, let's get out of here. Don't, don't worry. Don't listen to what they say. Don't listen to what they're talking to. What, like, who the fuck cares? Like, let's just, let's get out of here.
01:10:54
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And so then he takes her home and it's very nice. Yeah. Um, ah yes. Um, and the movie I said really goes off the rails after this point. Um,
01:11:06
Speaker
She's nominated for prom queen. it' seems that Gabrielle Union nominated her and the school like rallies behind her because everybody hates Taylor Vaughn. 47% of the school hates Taylor Vaughn.
01:11:18
Speaker
A lot more than they hate Lainey. Yeah. um ah and And it's cool. Like I and so this brings us to the prom king prom prom queen thing, which like I went to prom twice. yeah Yeah. Junior year and senior year. I could not tell you who would prom queen or king was not in any way.
01:11:40
Speaker
I can't remember if we had prom king or queen or if that was like too not Jesus-y enough. because our Because our prom king was Jesus. Oh, sure. Yeah, your prom king was Jesus.
01:11:55
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um It was, i feel like we did. i don't remember. Actually, yeah, I don't remember. Maybe we didn't have a prom king and prom queen. We had a homecoming queen. yeah Because my friend was homecoming queen and she was like just this. She was kind of an art school girl. She was like the sweetest, like everybody loved Her name was Lauren.
01:12:14
Speaker
She was just that girl who was like not the super, like she didn't hang out with all the popular kids, but she was, she was pretty. um yeah But she was like just an angel that everybody loved. And she was homecoming queen, which is really cute.
01:12:29
Speaker
Um, but I don't remember, I don't remember prom queen or prom. I remember prom, uh, fairly well. I, my senior prom, I, I went with my best friend, um, uh, and we just had a, a, a nice time. That's yeah.
01:12:47
Speaker
Yeah. I don't yeah really remember. Yeah. i okay I don't remember the election. The election wasn't a big deal. Like this is like, campaigning all in the school for weeks before prom. There's posters everywhere. and Like, I don't know if my school did that.
01:13:03
Speaker
I think the public school near me did that. Cause I remember hearing from my public school friends. Um, but my school, like we had homecoming court, but I don't think we had prom king or queen, but, um, but like very much like, this is like a trope of Americana ah of like prom king and queen. oh and for sure. Yeah.
01:13:25
Speaker
yeah It's a very 50s, 60s thing. yeah Yeah. Because then prom king and queen have their first dance together and blah, blah, blah. um But yeah. so um so So everybody's rallying behind Laney and um Taylor's like,
01:13:41
Speaker
what the fuck did I miss something? And, um, uh, and he broke up with her. Brock broke up with her. bro Brock broke up with her because he's going on the real world world rules challenge. And he doesn't need a non-famous girlfriend. Um, who's yeah still in high school. And yeah, yeah,
01:14:01
Speaker
He's 29 in this movie, by the way, Matthew Lillard. I don't know how old the character is supposed to be, but... Yeah. wo um And so then...
Emotional Bonding and Internal Conflicts
01:14:10
Speaker
um Something happens to where Lainey is to... um what what Where do we get to where... um Fast and the Furious asks her to prom.
01:14:26
Speaker
Like he stops her. We've got, we've got a lot more before that. So. Okay. Um, Zach bonds with her. She's painting her mom, who is a photo of Bonnie Bedelia, um, from diehard. Um, poo fun fact, Katie's fun fact.
01:14:42
Speaker
Yeah. Katie's fun fact. Katie's fun fact. Katie's fun fact. Bonnie Bedelia is Kieran Culkin's aunt. Look at that.
01:14:53
Speaker
Yeah. Well, how about that? don't know if that's why they used her in this or or not, but she's, you know, she's also, she's in movies and stuff. She's ah she's ah she's the the the mom the grandma on Parenthood.
01:15:07
Speaker
hello Well, there you go. God, parenthood's so good. um ah ah Oh, and that that's what happens. So he they have this really bonding moment in front of her painting that she's doing, and um she's telling him about how her mom died. And then there's this moment that, you know, screams, kiss each other, but he doesn't go in for the kiss. And so she feels rejected.
01:15:29
Speaker
Here's what happens. They talk about his dad, too, where she's like, um you know, you've been accepted. What school are you going to? I saw on the on the poster outside guidance office that it says it's undecided. So, like, you got into all these schools. I know you did. So where are you going? And he talks about his dad, all this pressure to go to Dartmouth, and he doesn't want to have his dad's life. And it's...
01:15:50
Speaker
Like, yeah, it's like a real problem for a popular, attractive, rich high school person to have, like, which is always hard in these things. Like you have to try to feel sorry for these people with like the most charmed lives in the world. um ah But that is a, that is a real problem he could have. um And he is about to kiss her. And then she says, this isn't just so I'll vote for you for prom king. Right. and Which makes him think about the bet. Yeah.
01:16:17
Speaker
And he feels bad because he likes her and doesn't want this to be about the bed anymore, which is why he doesn't kiss her. Yeah. And then somewhere in this, we get the cafeteria scene where Kieran Culkin is going around asking people if they want fresh pepper.
01:16:32
Speaker
Kieran Culkin is on roller skates. Yeah. With a giant pepper mill asking people. Like, he's just a weird kid, I guess. Like, don't know. I love him so much. There was this kid in my high school who did, like, would do dances and stuff in the cafeteria. Yeah. Like, just because he's weird. And he was kind of like, you know how sometimes popular kids will have, like, a nerd mascot, like, kind of, screech and say by the bell? Yeah, yeah.
01:17:01
Speaker
He wasn't like that, though, because he was unlikable and weird. um ah But it was close. Like, everybody knew who he was for for for certain. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. but But the thing is, I went to a giant high school. Like, my graduating class was like 600 and some. Like, there were thousands of people at my high school. So it was...
01:17:20
Speaker
you know, a little bit more difficult. um yeah It wasn't like, these are the kids and then these are these kids. It was just like, there's so many kids. There's so many kids. Yeah. It was a little different at teeny tiny Christian rich school. I can't imagine what that was like. It must've been completely different. It was horrific. Well, not to mention Christian, but even at a high school with that few kids, with those few yeah
Cameos and Comedic Bullying Scene
01:17:43
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kids. like Yeah. My graduating class was 60 years.
01:17:47
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I want to say like 63, something like that. So yes. ok Tell about the bullies and the pizza. We get the bullies and the pizza. Well, first Karen Culkin goes, you want crushed pepper to some rando who like turns around and wouldn't you know it? Oh my God. It's random cameo, Sarah Michelle Gellar, because you guessed it.
01:18:03
Speaker
First of Emma's fun facts, Emma's fun facts. Just like Katie said earlier, this high school is the high school that they filmed Buffy at. And she was just hanging around because they were also shooting Buffy. And so she was like, and she's dating Freddie Pince Jr. Who she's now been married to for several years in a beautiful, amazing Hollywood marriage that I hope like never dies. Cause I love them. They really got to figure it figured out.
01:18:25
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They really do.
01:18:28
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And so she turns around she goes, no, thank you. ah um And you're like, oh my God. She doesn't say anything because if she had said anything, they would have had to pay her scale. Yeah. So she doesn't say anything.
01:18:39
Speaker
She just like waves her hand and you're like, oh my God, is that Sarah Michelle Gellar? And then two like loser bullies come out and grab Kieran Culkin.
01:18:50
Speaker
One of whom is wearing a t-shirt. That has a gun on it that says yeah kill all artists. Right? And you're just like, what? So fucking funny. Right? Like the biggest laugh I had in this entire movie was his t-shirt that says kill all artists because you know. What?
01:19:08
Speaker
You know, someone in props was like, she's an artist. What if he's wearing a t-shirt that says kill all artists? Wouldn't that be funny? And they put it in. And I just love that. It's so stupid.
01:19:21
Speaker
So stupid. um But so they like force him to look at porn. And then while the other one is. I'm sorry. What is he advocating with kill all artists? Like, what is his worldview? Like, what?
01:19:36
Speaker
That he's an asshole? Yeah, but like, what is the, like, who's the audience for selling a t-shirt that says kill all artists? Like, the person who designs the shirt is by definition an artist.
01:19:50
Speaker
I don't know, Katie. It doesn't make sense to me either. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I won't to interrupt you again. It's okay. Okay. Um, so anyway, so the other one is just picking out his pubes and putting it on the pizza that Sarah Michelle Gellar gave, um, to Kieran Culkin.
01:20:08
Speaker
And, um, and as this is happening, uh, Zach comes in and he's just like, Hey, stop messing with my boy. um what are you doing?
01:20:18
Speaker
And then forces them both to eat pube pizza and it front of the entire school. And it's, a horrific scene that made me want to throw up and I hated it. And I always hate it because it's so gross.
01:20:35
Speaker
Um, American pie coded. Like you just know that American pie came out and they were like, okay, we got to write a new scene. Yeah. We got, we got to show this. We got to show them actually eating pubes.
01:20:48
Speaker
Yeah. No, I don't. um Actually, I don't know.
Prom Invitations and Tension
01:20:50
Speaker
I think these movies came out the same year, actually. So maybe it was just in the air. Yeah. um ah Pubes were in the air. um ah You betcha. And because there's pubes in American. I know I've never seen American Pie, but there its there's pubes in American Wedding.
01:21:04
Speaker
um But we'll get it to that when we do American Pie. not gonna do american pie we have to do american power it's it's it's a rom-com kitty it's a fucking rom-com my god um whatever there's many um layers to rom-coms anyway i think the thing the first thing i thought of was like as soon as he as soon as he's like not around those kids are gonna kill kieran culkin like i don't know like Well, the fur until until the very end, we realized that they both graduated as well um because everyone's name conveniently, our last name starts with S in this. Right. um
01:21:39
Speaker
They, was going to say, like, he's going to be gone in two weeks. What is he going to, what are they going to, what is Karen Culkin going to do when he's gone and can't protect him from these bullies again? They're going to kill him.
01:21:50
Speaker
But they graduated as well, which I guess is fine. so it It all worked out. um It was his save the cat moment. um And yeah.
01:22:00
Speaker
Yeah. And then we get like, um then we get Paul Walker asking Lainey to prom because he's like, well, I guess I got to fuck this up some more. And um she's just like, why why? What are you talking about?
01:22:13
Speaker
Why would I go to prom with you? Go on. hmm. Oh, I thought you were raising hand. Well, I was going to say, um we forgot about the real world fantasy sequence that he has. Oh, yeah. He's conflicted about the bet versus that. And it's got the real world logo on it. And everybody is is dr is like, they're in the real world. Lainey and Taylor and Brock are all the real world housemates with him. Yeah.
01:22:36
Speaker
And Lainey's making fun of him. it's it's It's pretty cute. And he like wakes up and has this, um yeah, this real world nightmare yeah about this anxiety that he feels about what he's done to her. Yeah. um and And so she says, tells Paul Walker, no, I'm not going to go to prom with you.
01:22:53
Speaker
um And he's like, well, he doesn't care about that. He's telling everyone that he's still into Taylor. like Which he's not. Which he's not. No. ducks um yeah At the same time, tim Matheson, who is Zach's dad, um has found his acceptance letters. Yep. And it's, again, a kind of realistic scene where he's like, you know, i don't want to be miserable like you. And he goes, is that what you think? Like, I don't want you to to do whatever I did. I just need you to, be you can't blame me for you refusing to face the fact that the future is coming, which is true, which is what he's actually afraid of. He's actually afraid of,
01:23:29
Speaker
you know, going to college and not suddenly being the king of the school anymore. Yeah. um Which is a real fear. I mean, I get that. Of course it is. Yeah. And his dad sees through it through it immediately, which is nice. And it's like, he's not like cruel to him or anything. He's just like, you know, you're misidentifying the problem here and tells him that, which is yeah surprisingly self-aware for this movie. Yeah.
01:23:51
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. um and so then Laney and Paul Walker are like setting up for prom and well, oh oh Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you're right i'm sorry. i got confused. except for prom.
Prom Night Drama and Fallout
01:24:04
Speaker
And um yeah and um Taylor runs up to Zach and she goes, um so I was picking out my prom dress the other day, but then i remembered that like we never solidified our plans and I just need to know so that we can like coordinate. And he's like, what are you talking about? And she's like, you always said we were going to go to prom together, silly.
01:24:22
Speaker
he's like, I'm not going to prom with you. And she was like, oh, if you're talking about, you're thinking about going with Laney, I think that she's already been spoken for. and conveniently, she's like flirt talking with Paul Walker. um And so he goes over and he's like, Lainey, are you going to the prom with Paul Walker?
01:24:41
Speaker
yeah And she's just like, I mean, yeah. he She's like, why why is that such a big deal? Why is that such a surprise to you? she He says, did he ask you to prom? And she says, are you surprised someone asked me to prom? Because she didn't say she would go with him. She told him, no, she wouldn't go. yeah. yeah And he was like, well, I thought that we were going to go together. And then Paul Walker decides to take this moment to fucking blow everything up and goes, man, you know what? You really need to just sort of like calm down, Zach, because like enough's enough. Like this this is this bet is just sort of like so, so dumb and petty. Like I actually have feelings for Lainey.
01:25:22
Speaker
I actually want to take her to prom, unlike you and this bet and everyone's record scratch. And ah we get what bet? What bet, Zach?
01:25:34
Speaker
What bet? And everything's ruined because Zach has to explain about the bet. um And she says the fuck word, too. Yeah, she says she say fuck off or fuck you. She says, am I a fucking vet? Oh, am I a fucking vet?
01:25:49
Speaker
um and And yeah, she runs she runs away and she's real sad and she's real upset and Zach's blown everything up. Well, Paul Walker blew everything up, but Zach's gotta like fix it and it's you guessed it the day of the prom friends. Um, so, um, Lainey is sad painting and her dad comes down and has like a little heart to heart with her. And he's like, you know, I never really met when your mom died. I didn't really know what to do with you.
01:26:17
Speaker
I didn't know what to do with you. I didn't know what to do. And I didn't mean for you to take on so much her responsibility and to do all of that. And I feel like I failed you. um and um you know, i want you to be able to be a kid.
01:26:31
Speaker
Like, I just never, I've sort of like ignored the fact that you still also need to be a kid. And she's like, I don't know. What are you talking about, dad? And he goes, well, you know, you could start by going to prom with that very nice gentleman upstairs in a suit.
01:26:47
Speaker
And she just goes, what? And she runs up the stairs and we're all maybe expecting to see Freddie Prinze Jr. But no. Well, it I thought it was going to be, again, I've seen this movie multiple times, but I still thought it was going to be Eldon Henson, which why wasn't it? you I know. i know. i know. Who did Eldon Henson go with?
01:27:06
Speaker
ah just Nobody, it seems. His plate of shrimp? Yeah. um And it's Paul Walker. And so she goes to prom with Paul Walker. And then we get a shot of right Freddie Prince Jr. um with Anna Paquin putting a corsage on his sister, taking his sister to prom.
01:27:24
Speaker
um And she's like, you better fix this because you fucked up. ah And then we get a shot of Taylor Vaughn sitting, waiting for Zach to pick her up, even though he never said that he would.
01:27:36
Speaker
And then we're at one of the most infamous proms in all of rom-com history. Deranged prom. What did a magical, amazing prom. It is ushered by DJ.
01:27:48
Speaker
are Ushered by DJ? It is DJed by Usher. Ushered by DJ. What is DJ? What is Usher's name in this movie, honestly? Like, I don't even know. Usher?
01:28:00
Speaker
Is he just playing Usher? Because he doesn't this usher he doesn't have any scenes with any other characters. He is the He does announcements at the school and he's the DJ at the prom, but it always cuts to him by himself. Like he shot all of this in one day alone.
01:28:18
Speaker
Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah. um Does he have a character name? um I'm sure he have no idea. Probably. but ah But yeah. Keep talking. I'm going to find out. Okay. so we get to prom. Everyone's dancing and everyone's having a good time. And um Taylor runs out of nowhere.
01:28:39
Speaker
Well, first Zach. His name DJ. His name is DJ.
01:28:44
Speaker
So it is ushered by DJ. It's DJ by Usher. And Gabriel Union's character's name is Katie and her best friend Chandler. That's so cute. I love that. Chandler, I hope you listen to this one.
01:28:56
Speaker
Yes. um And so... So yeah, so um it DJed by Usher. Everybody's having a good time.
01:29:08
Speaker
Zach immediately sees Lainey and Paul Walker and he's like, oh man, I gotta fix this. And out of nowhere, Taylor comes in and like, grabs him and goes i forgive you don't worry um and then so then they're having this like dance off i fuck each other moment of or like i side eyeing each other ah of these like two couples and then lo and behold usher is like all right dance club get out there and do your thing which i always remember the dance i taught you which is what he said
01:29:40
Speaker
I completely forgot that he, or I didn't even realize he said dance club. For the longest time, I just was going off the fact that this was some weird- I realize he said dance club either. Are you sure he says dance club? Oh, 1,000%. He says, okay, dance club, you do your thing.
01:29:56
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And I was like, oh, this makes a lot more sense now. Because was like- mean, it does it- Yes, because it's dance club. um and um ah to It's very funny because i just watched one of my favorite shows on TV is For All Mankind, which at this point is set in 2012. Like it's it's been going from the 60s up to now it's set in 2012. And they have a whole thing with a flash dance, which is like, you know, no matter how different this world is, it's 2012. So we got to do flash dance, ah flash mob, flash mob, not flash dance. Jesus.
01:30:30
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Yeah, you can't escape it. um You can't escape it. And this is a flash mob in 1999. This is exactly what it is. It's just on a dance floor instead of...
01:30:41
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in the mall or whatever. Yeah, exactly. um and so then you get this absurd scene to, um, Fatboy Slim. Uh, I mean, what else was it going to be? It's 1999. It's going to be the Rockefeller skank. Yeah, exactly. And then, um, then we get,
01:31:01
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Fast and the Furious in the bathroom and he's like oh yeah I'm gonna fuck Taylor I'm gonna fuck not Taylor I'm gonna fuck Lainey Boggs tonight um I got this hotel room I ah spent like so much money in this hotel room it's gonna happen and Dulé Hill's like dude that's not gonna happen for you like absolutely fucking not We definitively learn that none of the girls knew about the vet. Gabrielle Union and she's mad about it. And whatever Chandler's actor's name is. um ah Nobody knew about it. They all genuinely liked her. It was. Yeah. So that that that's important to know. um
01:31:38
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The only people who knew were Dulé Hill and um Paul Walker and Freddie Prinze Jr. Yeah. Yes. So then everybody is just like, no, that's not going to happen. And he's like, what? I spent 300 bucks on this. And then I did our favorite um inflation calendar.
01:31:55
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That's like. Oh, hell yeah. Almost $600 today. Yeah, I imagine. It's a long time ago. He spent a lot of money on this hotel room, assuming that he was going to bang Laney Boggs so that he could get back at his supposed best friend. He's an asshole.
01:32:11
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yeah And um so then Homecoming King and Queen happens. Of course, Zack wins Homecoming King. and a And then we have a tension filled moment where we don't know if it's going to be Lainey or is it going to be Taylor?
01:32:26
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Turns out it's Taylor by like 1%. And um ah Fast the Furious turns to Lainey Boggs and he's just like, hey, you want to get out of here? Like, let's get out of here.
01:32:37
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And so they turn and they're walking away and um it was revealed that ah Eldon, what's his name, was in the bathroom, maybe taking a dump while- He ate a lot of shrimp. He's having some shrimp poops. He had some shrimp poops. He ate an entire shrimp buffet. and um Because Lainey wasn't there to shame him into not eating. Exactly. Jesus Christ, lady.
01:33:03
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And so, um so yeah, so then he runs and he grabs Anna Paquin he tells Anna Paquin in like an asthma infused sort of like way. And then they have to find Zach. And so then they're screaming at Zach while he's giving his acceptance speech to like come and talk to them.
01:33:21
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I don't think prom king and queen give give speeches. like don't think they do either. But Taylor gives a speech where she goes, um thank you to everyone who voted for me and to everyone who didn't. And then they cut her off. The ah the principal like just unhooks her microphone and she starts berating everybody. Yeah, exactly. and worst She's the fucking worst.
01:33:41
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um And then ah they tell Zach and they're like, He's going to take Lainey to a hotel room and he's going to either sexually assault her or they're going to bang and you need to stop it right now.
01:33:53
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And so then he runs out of prom. He is calling every single hotel to try and find out where they are. And he has no idea. And so we don't know. And then we cut to um ah Lainey going back home, opening the door and... ah Kiernan Culkin is getting lessons on how to be a pool installer for the summer. Yeah.
01:34:15
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From his dad. He's going to his dad. And he's like, they're like, Hey, how was the prom, honey? And she goes, Oh, it was fine. And he walks and she walks in.
01:34:26
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um And then we have a really cool shot where it then cuts to Zach. He's standing there waiting for her. FPJ himself.
01:34:38
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Yep. FPJ. And he's like, hey, can we talk? And of course, Lady's dad is like, absolutely. We'll clear the room. You why guys go out into the backyard. um yeah And so then they he's just like, I was so worried because I heard what his name was going to do.
01:34:53
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And she goes, yeah, you know, um i wasn't expecting that. It happened a little too late. But it's a good thing. Sexual assault um is like a big problem. So that's why I always carry around this foghorn.
01:35:06
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and It's an air horn. An air horn. Sorry. It makes the sound of a fog horn. And I set it off right by his ear. So hopefully it didn't do any permanent damage. Yeah. Which we learned that maybe it did.
01:35:22
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Yeah. Maybe it did. And then they go out into the garden and there's twinkle lights that Lainey's dad turns on and um they're talking to each other and he goes, can I have the last dance? And she goes, no, you can have the first.
01:35:38
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Well, he apologizes first and yeah says that, you know, she goes, what
Graduation and Conclusion
01:35:42
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did you lose in the bed? He says, I lost my best friend, just as she taught me that I don't need to learn all the answers. It's real cheesy. um It's like the like, I don't know. I don't know why she forgives him. Like, i they don't, he doesn't do enough to make up for the fact that he doesn't, I don't feel like he convinces the audience well enough that he does that he's sorry for what he does. So it's just, you know, a personal opinion.
01:36:11
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um She's, she says she's going to art school. He says, he's just, where are you going? I've been thinking about art school myself. Yeah. um They make out, we cut to i mean, she's, he's better than her at performance art at the very least. Yeah.
01:36:26
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um We come to graduation and we find out that what he lost in the bet was that he has to graduate naked, which they would have stopped him like way before he got to the point where he's at.
01:36:38
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He throws the soccer ball he was using to cover his junk to Lainey and she laughs. And that's the end of the movie. And it's amazing. And it's fabulous. It's not good, which is what wrote in notes. And it's a classic.
01:36:51
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and Anyways, what are we doing next week? um but Yeah, next week ah we are going to be staying with the kids theme a little bit older. This is college age. We are going to do the Kristen Stewart, Jesse Eisenberg Rompa Adventureland. Have you seen it? Not in a long time. I remember it being very mumblecore.
01:37:14
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um I don't know if I would call it that. I like it. I think it's a good movie. Okay. Well, very exciting. Thank you for listening to Go Get Your Girl. If you like us, tell your friends, and please rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. It helps out a lot, and we would really appreciate it.
01:37:32
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01:37:43
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01:38:00
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