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Introduction to Trolley Problems
00:00:15
Speaker
I don't know. I think this morning that intro was way too short. Well, good morning. As you can tell, ah we're doing trolley problems this morning. What the fuck is a trolley problem?
00:00:27
Speaker
What's a trolley? I got the definition. It's the whole experiment I like. I know.
00:00:35
Speaker
Go ahead. say just It's basically just moral dilemmas. It is. It is. It absolutely
Ethical Frameworks: Utilitarianism vs. Deontology
00:00:40
Speaker
is. I do want to read what it is real quick. I got it up on the screen. The trolley problem is a famous thought experiment in moral philosophy that presents an ah ethical dilemma.
00:00:50
Speaker
A runaway trolley is heading toward five people on the tracks, but you can divert it to to a sidetrack where only one person is present. The core question is whether you should actively divert the trolley, resulting in one person's death, or do nothing allow five to die.
00:01:09
Speaker
This scenario, first posed by Philippa Foote in 1967, challenges the basis of moral decision-making, forcing a choice between utilitarianism, which is maximizing good for the greatest number, and deontological ethics, following moral rules regardless of outcome.
00:01:29
Speaker
and I think that's more of a content position um and has real world application. It feels like medical, medical ethics and self-driving car technology. And I want to throw in their AI.
00:01:41
Speaker
So this kind of like ties in some previous conversations. Cool. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Humor in Moral Dilemmas
00:01:48
Speaker
And of course, so, you know, my, my, my example of the trolley problem is, Hey, do I either,
00:01:54
Speaker
hit the switch and save my weed stash and bong or and go about and you know have have my awesome sesh or do i just let um michael inlick and click and britney just get ran over by the trolley and save you know depends of beautifully cured marijuana is well more valuable than the three ah oh right man Save the weed.
00:02:20
Speaker
Save the weed. I guess Brittany Glick and Michael's getting a ran over. And now it is the Blaze Network. Woohoo! ah Finally. Finally a good driver at the wheel.
00:02:35
Speaker
Ouch.
Personal Moral Dilemmas
00:02:36
Speaker
and so That's the whole Spock argument, right? Needs of the many outweighs and needs the few type thing. yeah
00:02:45
Speaker
Uh, I always thought of it as kind of a, would you rather sort of, those are similar. Um, not they're exactly the same, just along the same concept. Yeah. Would you rather is mostly just like fun drunk games that you can do with your girlfriend.
00:03:03
Speaker
Um, it's still kind of the same, right? It's still kind of the same. Well, thank you for asking. Um, ladies, oh lad I'm not reading so good today.
00:03:14
Speaker
Um, So on one track, you got your firstborn child. On the other track, a hundred friends and family. Not a family. A hundred friends, acquaintances.
00:03:27
Speaker
One child. Yeah. It's the same kind thing. Okay. So the dilemma is, do I sacrifice my one child for a hundred people or do I sacrifice one hundred people for my one child?
Biological Imperatives in Ethics
00:03:41
Speaker
They're not just people. They're people you know and interact with regularly. They're friends and acquaintances. yeah this is me but this is this is This is me solving this problem.
00:03:51
Speaker
I, being the the the the nihilist, understanding and the belief that there's no such thing as worth, I would have to, my moral decision is would be to let the hundred people die.
00:04:09
Speaker
but and no No, I'm sorry. The other way around. the other way around the other way around let the baby die Let the kid die to save the 100 people. Sorry, I said that backwards.
00:04:19
Speaker
um I would. I'm not saying your bullshit. I'm not at all saying that. But I think, is my kid good or bad? i eat that see okay so That's not a bad question. That's what these thought experiences help with.
00:04:34
Speaker
It's like, okay, you have the initial problem. But before you make your decision, you think of all the different implications, pros and cons on both sides.
00:04:46
Speaker
So I think the biological imperative kicks in. And then you think you save your kid.
00:04:55
Speaker
That's a good point. you say Okay, so what I would say now in this calm, cool, collected setting conversation. I'm going with that, yes. Yeah, as opposed to in the moment.
Purpose and Nature of Trolley Problems
00:05:06
Speaker
That's okay. So that's one thing I want to point about trolley problem thought experiments.
00:05:10
Speaker
they're not all They're not really based in a total realistic realm. No, and they're chilling about time. And a lot of people have a problem with that, but I think it's a fun tool to come at moral dilemmas, not so much as to solve problems, but to maybe help foundationally set your moral path.
00:05:33
Speaker
Does that make sense? Yes. yeah what Yeah. It's a thought experiment. In practice, it's just untenable, I think. because emotion comes into it in that moment.
00:05:45
Speaker
You got fight and fight happening and it's a biological imperative to save the kid. It's an excellent change. That's an interesting point, the the fight, flight, or freeze.
00:05:57
Speaker
What do you do? And a lot of those, some of these thought experiences, and there's a website we're going to bring up that goes through. It builds on the absurdity of of these, and I haven't played it. I've only gone a couple levels, but I'm excited to see where this goes.
00:06:12
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so But I do want to talk about it for a second.
Exploration of Trolley Scenarios
00:06:15
Speaker
um some ah some situations in life is so instantaneous that you don't have time to think about it. So you're stuck on those three Fs, fight, flight, or freeze.
00:06:25
Speaker
And the majority of us, you called it something. So the dough in the hair headlights, when you freeze? Oh, you go tharn. T-H-A-R-N. It's called going tharn. Tharn. There you go. Going tharn.
00:06:39
Speaker
It's the Spider-Man question. Save the girl or the world. Somehow he always does both. I'm glad he said that. I was thinking the same thing. I want to think that being a selfless, well, believing I'm a selfless person, I'm going to throw myself in that train of apparatus and grind myself up in the wheels and stop the train and save everybody but me.
00:07:01
Speaker
Yeah. So before we, again, before we bring up the website, what is your opinion on utilitarianism?
00:07:12
Speaker
Well, you're gonna have to walk me through that because you have way more extensive knowledge on these definitions than I do. Utilitarian is pretty fucking basic. Remember that. I'm dumb, but I'm not worse like you are.
00:07:24
Speaker
Yeah. Utilitarianism is just basically decisions made for the benefit of the majority over the minority. Good the few. They're good of the many. outway news we've Got it. ah Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. for It's very simplistic. Yeah. And so...
00:07:39
Speaker
I think it's a very pragmatic way to look at things. and It is. like decision It is. And then there's the. that's not all So let's say, OK, for let's say you, you're you're you're hiding a bunch of people out that's running from the law.
00:07:55
Speaker
Slavery. So you slavery real quick. OK. There you go. there you there you go the The slave rounder uppers, the whatever they call them back in the day. Yeah, the cops, yeah the bad guy, yeah yeah the cops back then, they bring it on doors, like you got slaves in here, we need, you know, yeah a utilitarian would for the benefit of them the many would lie to the cop to save those many people that they're protecting, you know, because they're good people, you know, they didn't do anything wrong.
00:08:25
Speaker
So you would lie for the ben the betterment of the the the over the the small minority of slavery. You're also involved in it. You don't want to get caught. You're correct. But there's self-service there, too.
00:08:37
Speaker
Yes. And then there's the d deontological position that it would say you you don't lie. you so You say, yeah, they're here. Because either way, no matter, at the end of day, let's...
00:08:53
Speaker
You don't know what the outcome is. Let's say you're standing at the door lying to them and they're sneaking out the back only for you to shut the door and then they get caught by the cops. you don't lie and they get caught because you don't lie.
00:09:08
Speaker
So a deontological person would usually think, you know, those other variables are like, well, if I lie, it might still not say them. So what's the point of lying? i might as well just tell the fucking truth regardless. Why lie to save your own ass?
00:09:24
Speaker
Yeah, but. How'd they get in their house, man? Well, I mean, well, that's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, if you're going if you're going to not lie, then you you're probably most likely understanding the fact that you're going to get rounded up, too, because you're aiding and abetting, I guess.
00:09:41
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In that situation. i'm not answering that fucking door. It's the buzz. And that's the thing about ri row real world issues compared to the trolley problems.
00:09:55
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Also, individuals, basic belief systems.
00:10:02
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You're already.
00:10:05
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i just want to make one nitpicky disagreement on what you're laying out. You do know the outcome. If those slaves get caught, they're going to get beat up bad. You know that. What's happening all over the place was common knowledge. It's not like it was rare.
00:10:18
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yeah It wasn't uniform, but it wasn't rare. There were good slave owners. If that can be said, they owned people. Yeah, i don't think there's such thing as a good slave owner. don't care. There's not to see. Well, there was some that just freed them and but let them live as free on their land, and they stayed there because they had a good... I hate that word. A good partner.
00:10:38
Speaker
yeah But still, there's still some exploitation there. But anyway, we're not going to split hairs over that right now. But anyhow, you knew what was going happen. so I was kind of like the outcomes, but I see what you're saying. Maybe they got caught anyway because of this, that, or the other.
00:10:52
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yeah But you know, if you're helping them, it's because you know they need help.
00:11:00
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Oh, absolutely. I mean, i think most i think i think most people, without really thinking about it, would probably fit in the utilitarian category. Because I think at the end of the day, i think collectively, in mass, we're dumber than we are individually when it comes to doing the right moral thing.
00:11:18
Speaker
Does that make sense? My mentality is a real thing. Yeah, yeah, i think yeah, yeah. Like ah Michigan State wins the national championship, and then they started rolling cars over, setting shit on fire.
00:11:29
Speaker
I was looking westward the night that the Cleveland Cavaliers won the world championship in basketball. I expected to see fires from here. But Cleveland was actually pretty cool.
00:11:43
Speaker
no No major league shit. But people that would never do something like that. see it happening and just join in it because it's happening all around them. It's like the need to fit in me. I'm going the other fucking direction that bringing cops.
00:12:00
Speaker
I don't need cops in my life.
00:12:04
Speaker
oh' a Simple facts. Look, they're doing dumb shit. I can, I might say, so Hey man, this is really dumb. You guys really want to stop doing this or not. Either way, I'm heading over there.
00:12:15
Speaker
I hope you guys don't.
00:12:24
Speaker
There she is.
00:12:29
Speaker
ah ah Everybody needs cocks. Good morning. I want to explore this quote again. on. Can somebody read that? It's too small for my eyes. Hold on. Let blow this up. It says, ought not to use human beings as a means to save others.
00:12:54
Speaker
So there is, as as we as we bring this website up here in a moment and go through some of these trolley problems, I'm more than likely, they're probably going to bring up the fat guy on the bridge. There's one trolley problem. Instead of a switch, in order to save the people, you push a fat man off the bridge in order to stop the trolley.
00:13:13
Speaker
Now, realistically, that can't happen, but we're playing thought experiment. Sure, sure, sure. and that's what that quote is. Like, that would be immoral to sacrifice a person like that's free and can move and full autonomy.
00:13:29
Speaker
It's wrong to sacrifice that person to save the many.
00:13:34
Speaker
Uh, 10 degree. Yeah. But at the same time, i think, I think, um, I'm having a great day. Thank you. Um,
00:13:47
Speaker
i I don't know. I'm on the fence with that because pushing a fat guy or letting one person by the sides of the tracks, to me, doesn't seem very much different.
00:13:59
Speaker
However, except... ah No, I take that back. there's it's that It's different. It's definitely different. but man Yeah, you're actively pushing that person. Yeah. but They were already there in the other situation.
00:14:13
Speaker
This is true. And all you're doing is flipping a switch. But that switch... is one layer removed from the situation. You know what I mean? ah You're pulling your switch rather than your arm doing the physical movie, if that makes sense.
00:14:29
Speaker
It's still your arm doing a physical movie. Yeah. Yeah. In this cartoon, but is Blaze saving a bong over people? Yes. And again, say that's true.
00:14:45
Speaker
I mean, if it was Youngstown Brown or just a bunch of brick, nah. Homies over the brick. Plus, I know want if it's me in that situation, you're in my spot.
00:14:55
Speaker
I know you got some in your pocket. I'm saving your ass. So, Brittany brings up a good point. They do that on the TV show, The Good Place. I'm familiar with the show. I tried watching it. Couldn't get into it.
00:15:06
Speaker
Is that the one with John Candy? is about the It's the funny religious show? No, it's not. John Candy's dead. It's got that shit. Not John Candy. but um Kristen Bell's in it.
00:15:17
Speaker
Not John Candy. Fucking John Goodman. John Goodman. ah think No, no, no, no, no. That's ah The Righteous Gemstones. Okay, okay. I see. Okay, then I'm not...
00:15:29
Speaker
um feel Okay, so I guess my broader point is you see a lot of trolley problems or quote-unquote moral dilemmas in shows, some of which make the shows absolutely better to watch.
00:15:41
Speaker
Breaking Bad is one. That show had some moral dilemmas in there that I think really... Sam Malone from Cheers. Ted Danson, that's who it is. He's still alive?
00:15:56
Speaker
Yes. Oh, wow. The premise of the show was they die, they go to heaven, and then they have to like work. When they get to heaven, they get jobs. What the fuck?
00:16:07
Speaker
Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. That sounds like the American dream continuing you into fucking afterlife. That sucks. Heaven doesn't sound so fun anymore. I've been hearing that.
00:16:18
Speaker
No, ouch. We're sure the taxes are high. It's a nice property. Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho. that's not That's not it at all. Oh, got some pushback.
00:16:28
Speaker
I couldn't make it to the first episode. I just, I hate Kristen Bell's face so fucking much. Look, dude, her and Dax Shepard. The truth comes out, Michael's a Kristen Bell hater.
00:16:40
Speaker
Her and Dax Shepard are idiots, man. The way they were raising their kids, just they're so weird. They're so Hollywood freak. They're just not real people anymore. They're not real people anymore. You have to read into it. They're just weirdos, man.
00:16:54
Speaker
I don't know much about him. I see blurps on the internet every once a while, but I really, i don't get into the Hollywood gossip like that because it's, I find it boring. You would break your hand on her jaw.
00:17:05
Speaker
you know No, I wouldn't. I'm hitting her with
Philosophical Debates: Ethics and Behavior
00:17:08
Speaker
a fucking trolley.
00:17:12
Speaker
Play the game, fool. Play the game. Well, hey, Brittany, this, all right, so Brittany, you should know, and this should be a pleasant idea that If you and Kristen Bell were both on opposite tracks, Michael will most likely save you over the most likely most likely. When's the next show I got to do with her? Oh, ouch.
00:17:33
Speaker
Teasing. teas
00:17:36
Speaker
Well, that that is definitely a case where Brittany gets.
00:17:41
Speaker
So this website, again bring up it also completely negates any possibility of another solution. that's it's You know what I like in the probably experiment to?
00:17:54
Speaker
The Kobayashi Maru. You have to explain that. Trek. Star Trek shit. Oh, okay. Definitely. I like i like Star Trek talk. Kobayashi Maru is an unwinnable scenario in the simulator.
00:18:09
Speaker
Captain Kirk's the only one who ever beat it because he cheated. That was the only way to win was to cheat.
00:18:17
Speaker
And it's kind of the same here. It's like du there's no soute there's a there's no proffered solution. What was the scenario? What's the scenario?
00:18:28
Speaker
Yeah. I'm going to have to go watch that. Yeah. i oh it so It was only brought up in the series and in the movies. But the new ones that J.J. Abrams did, they actually showed Kirk beating Kobayashi Maru.
00:18:43
Speaker
And it again, it's an unwinnable situation. The Romulans draw you into the non-defensive zone, like the non-militarized zone. Oh, it's a war tactic sort of thing. Okay, I'll have to watch the show to get the full. oh Yeah, it wasn't an episode. It was it was ah literally a simulation at Academy.
00:19:00
Speaker
And James C. Kirk is the only captain to ever beat the Kobayashi Maru. But he didn't beat it. He cheated to beat it. What up, Shaman? I thought you were talking about the hot dog guy.
00:19:13
Speaker
Now I'm really lost. let bring this this Let's bring this. Oh, Maru, the little Japanese dude who eats a thousand hot dogs at the fucking thing. eats the hell out Joey Chestnut. Funny thing. I thought that.
00:19:28
Speaker
i thought but there over thought That's great. Thanks. Oh, man. ha that This website I'm going to bring up. It's called neil.fun backslash absurd-trolley-problems backslash.
00:19:45
Speaker
That's easier to remember. I know, right? i should i totally dress I totally forgot to put it in the in the description. But if you just Google absurd tra ah trolley problems, you'll find it It's going to be like the first couple fucking shits. Anyway, so i think I need to refresh this. well yep I'm on level two. i want to start with level one. So, level one. I want to start all over. So, I did turn the sound off because that's going to be annoying as fuck.
00:20:18
Speaker
So, we start off with level one, which is the original the trolley problem. Oh, no. Trolley is heading towards five people. You can pull the lever to divert it.
00:20:29
Speaker
Do you track killing one person instead? What do you do? Michael, pull the lever or do nothing, sir. Pull lever to save four people. Pull the lever to save five people.
00:20:41
Speaker
Well,
00:20:46
Speaker
I want to say I'm pulling the lever and saving those people. But knowing people the way I do, and it might be better to just get rid of four more people around.
00:20:59
Speaker
Well, we don't know what we don't know who these five people are. They could be five bank robbers. Five murderers. You don't know who they are. But also, I do know people's general nature. Four out of five people is a complete nanny. They don't belong.
00:21:14
Speaker
So you're going to do nothing? Yeah, i think it... No, I would... Again, this is just who I hope I am. I'm pulling the lever. Pull the lever. And that's... ah That's one hell of a problem. big anyty lives I'm going to try to think my way out of it. It's going a last second thing.
00:21:36
Speaker
Yank the lever off the thing and just shove in the wheel. You know, it's got to be some other way, man. I want to beat the Kobayashi Baru. I am a Tiberius Kirk. I can bike smoke that shit.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yes. better but fuck it It depends. depends
00:21:56
Speaker
depends on who it is i agree But we don't like, ah but unfortunately these tro trolley problems are are void of any of those, of all that sort of personal information. Yeah, yeah. I almost said bit for a moment.
00:22:16
Speaker
What if you don't have time to ask the questions, MK? That's the point. I mean, that's why and they put them like these. there they the The situations exist in a vacuum with no variables.
00:22:29
Speaker
It's this or that, and that's that. And then, MK, you also have to ask yourself in that situation, what about the liar's paradox? Are they telling the truth or not? When you ask them these questions, I'm just saying.
00:22:44
Speaker
Yeah, so many unknowns on these. So, Michael, did you make up your decision? Do nothing or pull the lever, sir. I'm pulling that lever, man. All right. I mean. Splat one person. seven three on percent 73%. So the cool thing about this is like because it tracks everybody else's choices, it'll it'll tell you kind of how you fall in with the majority of humans or not.
00:23:07
Speaker
And Michael falls into 73% of people agree. So they would have done the same thing. Because of the liar's paradox. People are playing this thing.
00:23:18
Speaker
If you're not answering genuinely and honestly, it doesn't matter. That is a very good point. I'm sure a lot of these, and some of these, I don't know how many, but some of these answers are probably like not the answer the person really would They're just, you know, being a contrarian.
00:23:34
Speaker
Allegedly. Apparently I'm a murderer.
00:23:40
Speaker
alleged Allegedly. Yes, allegedly. Oh, no. A trolley's heading towards five people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing four people instead.
00:23:53
Speaker
What do you do?
00:23:56
Speaker
wish I had, like... Okay, so... I mean, I'm going to get a look at them. I mean... What are they wearing? Are they...
00:24:08
Speaker
I don't know if they're older. um That makes sense. ah You know what? That is a good point. Okay. okay Let's add something to this. go The trolley is heading to five old people.
00:24:22
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Like in their 80s. And the four people that are sitting there that you can say are four pregnant ladies. Yes. Let's do that.
00:24:34
Speaker
It's interesting you say that because this trolley problem was originally... ah thought of it was about abortion arguments for and against anyway the moral dilemma there but anyway that would definitely make me want to kill the the old people more not want to kill them I heard you I heard you I know what's in your heart now I want to save the pregnant women more than I want to save the old people I'm sorry that's what I meant to say words matter for a couple of reasons
00:25:06
Speaker
I mean, A, they're all what ladies. You're their hero now. And you know they put out. They're pregnant. ah I know. I had to make it bad. had to make it bad.
00:25:20
Speaker
Numbers are hard. The lever is fun. Just keep yanking that lever. She's like, fuck it. That's what she said. there's ah there's i mean There's so many different thought experiments. We're going to do this with some other ones, man.
00:25:33
Speaker
Oh, do this this keeps this is only level two. for this is only This is only level two. This will keep getting weirder, apparently. Excellent. So i i okay so I'm adding the idea that it's five. Again, other variables that were left out.
00:25:47
Speaker
That makes it a lot more interesting. Yeah. so i'm So I'm adding this variable. So the five people are old and the other four are women. So I'm doing nothing letting the five old people die. There we go.
00:25:58
Speaker
Me too. now thirty no But see, these 32% of the people didn't have the information I had. Slack. That's matter, right? fifteen Over 15 million votes, though.
00:26:15
Speaker
All right. Oh, here's one. oh no. A trolley is heading toward five people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then your life savings will be destroyed.
00:26:27
Speaker
What would you do? Oh, shit. um My life savings? You can't save zero. I'm pulling the lever. Apparently, I'm out of debt.
00:26:39
Speaker
It destroys my savings. My savings are in the negative. I'm taking that. That's a win. My God, those numbers are fucking scary. Dude, look at those numbers. That's scary. 55%? 57% of people agree.
00:26:55
Speaker
like i mean, I'm glad majority of people fucking agree, but 57%? That's that scary low in my eyes. like yeah I would hope so that number would have been around 80%. We've got to figure it like this.
00:27:11
Speaker
The way communities rally in a lot of cases... They know somebody wiped themselves out to save a bunch of people. They're going to come together and have some kind of a benefit, have to get back on your feet.
00:27:22
Speaker
And again, I'd rather broke and clear conscience than have whatever it is any amount at the expense of others. It's just who I believe I am. And in that situation, um very firm in my belief. That's what i'm going to do.
00:27:40
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, stuff is just stuff. People are people, man. I know. But 43% of people that answer this is fucking greedy ass fucking bastards.
00:27:53
Speaker
Capitalists. No wonder we have a billionaire problem. All right, moving on Level four. Oh, no. a trolley is heading toward five people.
00:28:04
Speaker
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, sacrificing yourself instead. What do you do? Well, o
00:28:16
Speaker
am I going to pull the lever with my dick? My arm tied up. Telekinesis. Telekinesis. Enjoy the dispensary. ah Oh, nice. Well, if that's the case, I'm stopping the trolley with my mind.
00:28:30
Speaker
yeah Damn it. Yeah. Ooh, that's a good one, Shaman.
00:28:40
Speaker
hello Oh, that is a good one. andt yeah I popped it up and I was reading the... I think I wouldn't have a problem sacrificing myself.
00:28:51
Speaker
Alright. Again, it would have been on who those other people are, though. But also, the biological imperative.
00:28:59
Speaker
I was going to say, let's say those five people were all we're like your closest friends and family. You know what I mean? As as compared to five ah five uh, not like five Nazi soldiers. You know what I mean? Sure. Sure.
00:29:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But me being the better person, I hope I am. I would, I would sacrifice myself. I would think I would, but I don't know, man.
00:29:30
Speaker
That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Uh, good again. Yeah. That biological imperative. All right. Let's, um, let's Let's go ahead and pull the lever and sacrifice ourselves.
00:29:43
Speaker
and I'm
Self-Sacrifice and Moral Duty
00:29:44
Speaker
curious to know what the percentage is. 37%. Well, oh my in my opinion, that's high.
00:29:55
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Comparatively, 55% were saving their life savings.
00:30:02
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and no fifty Only 55% were giving up their life savings. yeah This is 37% of people. Yes, the last one, you had to give up your life savings. Only 35% did that. 37% killing themselves for others, I think is actually pretty high and comparatively in those numbers.
00:30:19
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No, no, no. I think it's the opposite.
00:30:24
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You got 100%, 37 100% agreed ourselves. Yes.
00:30:28
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agreed to kill ourselves yes So 63% would kill the other people to save themselves. I think that's worse.
00:30:39
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I guess. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm a moron. No, I'm not. Yeah. i'm so Okay, I'm saying comparatively to the 55% that we're going to, only the 55% are going wipe out their life savings.
00:30:51
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So that's what? 18% difference? Yeah, these are still... difference
00:30:58
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yeah these are still dissatisfied numbers. I mean, it's silly numbers, but I judge i would think that it would be a lot lower than 37% is my point. Fair enough. Considering only 55% were willing to give up their life same age. Ouch.
00:31:12
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Depends on how good my life is going at the time. Yeah, that's a great answer. That's a good point. Asked me that five years ago, i'll be like, just fucking off me right now. No questions asked. This another great point here.
00:31:24
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I sacrifice myself for family and some of my friends, but not for strangers. I have a responsibility to those who care about... yeah yeah like That's sort of like the biological imperative but whatever you're talking about. i Yeah. like i i see I see that a valid a valid point. I absolutely 100% do.
00:31:42
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um Yeah. i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't I wouldn't be mad at it. But what about being the change you want to see in the world?
00:31:54
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self-sacrifice for the greater good. o Oh! The idea... The idea of it's... That's a good point. That's a level... how it should be This is how it should be. this how it should be That's ah kind of like doing the Gandhi thing.
00:32:11
Speaker
Yes, exactly. Yeah. Okay. And, i you know, I want to i want to point something out because I brought that up. When people say peter star...
00:32:23
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When there's protests and people fast and starve themselves. What's that? Go ahead. Can I real quick into introduce a new member of the family? Of course she did that after Brittany left.
00:32:35
Speaker
ah I finally got a name for her. the Bitey McRazorteeth. Bitey McRazorteeth. Dude, she is such a kitten, man. She's a little hunter.
00:32:51
Speaker
and you're right the only change you can actually make in the world yeah the only change you can guarantee anyway you hope you inspire others but that's a big ask man to really give up everything for someone else it's a big ask it's the biggest ask career oh good a short name am
00:33:11
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vi mc i am So oftentimes when that when the topic of of protest and starving oneself and fasting for that protest comes up, it's often thought of as a peaceful protest.
00:33:25
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I don't think that's true. I think starving oneself on the verge of death is kind of violent. but's but What's your take on that? it's not it's it's It's peaceful to to the onlookers because there's no there's no external violence, but it's internal violence.
00:33:44
Speaker
What it is, is it's a look at me, look at me, look at me. This is how we're going to get attention on this thing. I'm announcing to everybody and people are going to start asking questions. Why is this guy, you know, like the ah monks, the Tibetan monks that were lighting themselves on fire in Tiananmen Square.
00:34:01
Speaker
That's the point they're making. All eyes are on that situation. And this is the statement he's making. He's willing to do this. So you will pay attention to what's happening there. Mm-hmm. It's an attention grabber. It brings the media.
00:34:15
Speaker
That's what stuff like that does. Okay, that's an interesting point. I don't quite, yeah, yes and no, I agree with you. I think I agree with you, yes, but I don't think it's for... I think the i think it's that's not a bad idea.
00:34:28
Speaker
But however, I don't want to go deep into... I agree, but I'm saying it's his principles. Yeah. But I don't want to go too deep in this because Brittany and I were about to have a conversation on protests and riots. I had to put a pin in that because I was working. And I told we'll come back around to that.
00:34:47
Speaker
But now I'm thinking about One Tuesday, Thursday morning, us three having a discussion on protests and riots. Sounds good. yeah Anyway, with that being said, let's move on to so more trolley problems. A deeper look into fasting. People do it for spiritual health reasons.
00:35:05
Speaker
And I agree. 100% agree. I'll i'll do it i'll do it for ketosis. especially during beginning of summer and stuff i'm actually about to start another round of ketosis um as long as i can keep the sugar at bay that's my fucking problem um but this for protesting is is actually the possibility of actually killing yourself not for health not for not for spiritual there might be some spiritual there i guess in essence
00:35:39
Speaker
But it's literally to listen to me or I'm going to fucking die a survey. It's to prove a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do... This is so important to be paid attention to.
00:35:51
Speaker
I'm willing to sacrifice myself to get the noise out there. yeah Yeah, because people do... It's a sacrifice, but at the same time, it's for that reason. part leave it and i do I do want to acknowledge that that fasting isn't necessarily for protesting, isn't necessarily violence, isn't necessarily...
00:36:08
Speaker
I'm talking in the specific moment of what Gandhi was doing is internal violence. And I consider protests like that to be violent because of that, even though it's it's it's conventionally accepted to be a peaceful type of protest. Let me ask you this.
00:36:24
Speaker
Do you think that it's potentially insightful? Because you're breathing awareness. Are you going to create friction? Yeah, I think protests could lead to violence. No? Yeah, that well, revolutions are insightful in itself. I know calling it this is a topic for that discussion, Michael.
00:36:46
Speaker
But good question. Good question. Some people want to be remembered for something and are willing to do wild stuff. i Absolutely. Look at the Nonsensical Network. I agree. Now, let's go to level five.
00:37:02
Speaker
i don't know. I like how it's levels. It's supposed to get more absurd, so I'm really curious. Real quick, Blaze. disc The Nonsensical Network is not trying to incite starvation in anybody. Please and thank you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not.
00:37:18
Speaker
Yeah. No, too many starvers out there in anyway. Oh, no. a trolley is heading toward five people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, but then the original copy of the Mona Lisa will be destroyed. What do you do?
00:37:32
Speaker
ah Fuck you. I'm sorry. i put humans over things and art, even though i love art, it's still a thing. So I'm saving the people. There are plenty of reprints. Fuck the Mona.
00:37:43
Speaker
Sorry, Leo. That was an easy one, man. That was a fucking easy one.
00:37:52
Speaker
That number, that's the number i was expecting to see more. I was expecting to see that number more with ninety s with with the saving life savings.
00:38:06
Speaker
You expecting to see 90%? Oh, easily. ah easily and so dude It's no, same you know, you you get those people out there that go, man, that they they they think that art has to live forever.
00:38:21
Speaker
So future generations, a hundred thousand years ago, discover and go, oh, it's just like this, this need of, of, of self-importance is all it is. Here's some great content.
00:38:33
Speaker
That's what it boils down to. She was the two anyway, says MK.
00:38:42
Speaker
Bitches ain't shit, but hoes and drinks. Fuck, Mona.
00:38:48
Speaker
Oh, man. I'm so glad. i Okay. early i I'm just going to caveat. The original plan was to go down free will. And Michael was like, okay.
00:38:59
Speaker
And I'm sitting there. I man. I know. I'm exaggerating. Let me exaggerate. This is my story. And I'm like, you know what? That sounds kind of boring. I'm getting tired of free will myself.
00:39:11
Speaker
And I was watching some Alex O'Connor. And this was brought up. i was like, trolley problems are just fucking bad. So, here we are. Not mad at it. All right.
00:39:23
Speaker
So, we're moving on because that was an easy peasy one because, you know, hashtag fuck Mona. But again, here's where I'm at. I mean, you you got some dickhead teenager doing this for fun.
00:39:34
Speaker
Well, going to see how many people we can kill. I don't know a lot of people that know that this website is out there. I accidentally stumbled upon it yesterday when I was watching...
00:39:47
Speaker
some YouTube videos on trolley problems. I wanted to get a bunch memorized. And I was like, or write them down or something, because it would get some ideas. And I was like, man, that's a, and I stumbled on this, some dude doing the kind of, not the same thing we're doing, but kind of the same thing.
00:40:03
Speaker
And I was like, that just, that looks fun. I bet Michael would love this. Yeah, it's lot fun. Yeah, yes. I'll tell you right now, it has trolls that'll find anything, and they're go to go with it just talk about Oh, yeah, you can. Yeah, I think this does pop up on Reddit. so I'd like to have a plus or minus on that. You know what i mean?
00:40:20
Speaker
There's got to be some kind of haircuts because people are just people. People going people. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. a trolley is heading toward a rich man. The rich man offers you $500,000 to pull the lever, which would divert the trolley and kill someone else. What do you do?
00:40:37
Speaker
This is along the lines of what MK was saying earlier. Would you have killed those people for life savings? This is a whoo. I'll say Richie Rich because that's one person down.
00:40:52
Speaker
I'm going to take that $500,000 and do some good with it. Wait, hold on. So you're going to save the rich man? Yeah, and get that money and then do something good with it. I don't want a big house. i don't want a bunch of things. That's not who I am.
00:41:06
Speaker
But I'll take that money and set up a soup kitchen or something help people out that really need it. Use that rich sucker against himself. Keeping the poor man poor and shit. Taking it down from within. and and there's no saying I can't stab him later. I got $500,000. I'm going to buy my way out of a lot of things.
00:41:22
Speaker
Yeah, but this rich man probably has still has money, so he's still going to be keeping poor people poor. And you just killed the poor person. let's just sure you felt Sure, you opened up a soup kitchen, but you still killed the person.
00:41:34
Speaker
Yeah, I sure did. One, okay I weigh one. The needs of the many, I weigh the needs the few. So you're pulling the lever. If I've got to kill somebody. All right, pull the lever.
00:41:45
Speaker
I may as well make the best of it. Oh, my God,
Biases and Societal Influence in Ethics
00:41:49
Speaker
Michael, you're in the majority on that decision. I'm not surprised. It makes sense. why That makes sense to me. That makes sense logically to me. Okay.
00:41:57
Speaker
Because I know i don't want it for, look, i'll I'll have a better car, sure, but I'm not buying a Maserati or nothing like that. Something reliable, something good, something, you know, practical. I'm starting to realize I'm not that much of a utilitarian. I'm more of a Conti, for sure, or deontological. Because I would have been like, murder is bad. hit bad Murder is bad.
00:42:20
Speaker
then i would weigh i would weigh the value of each person. And I think rich people are less valuable to to me in this world than poor people or lesser lesser rich people.
00:42:33
Speaker
That's just the way I look at it, though. That's so interesting. That's your logic. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But neither of us are wrong. I want to point that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah yeah there's yeah It's a thought. It's a yeah thought. Yeah.
00:42:48
Speaker
And again, we're adding new variables. And, you know, this this is where we find out who we really are if you're answering truthfully. And that's exactly what would do for those reasons. Okay. go Cool, cook cool, cool, cool.
00:43:00
Speaker
All right. And again, lot of money can buy you out of a lot of things. I can still take him out later. Now I'm his best friend. I'll get him sign up for shit. $500,000, $25,000 assassin fee, allegedly. Allegedly. five hundred thousand dollars twenty five thousand dollars assassin fee allegedly
00:43:18
Speaker
That's a down payment. I'm going to blackmail him forever. i have his life in my hands. Ooh, that's, yeah. i i like that. All right. We're going to go to level seven.
00:43:30
Speaker
Oh, shit. I know. I was, level six kind of like, it's getting so fast.
00:43:37
Speaker
Oh, no. A trolley is heading toward five lobsters. Can you pull the lever to divert it to the other track running over a cat instead? What do you do? Fuck the lobsters, man.
00:43:48
Speaker
Fuck to those sea spiders. Fuck those goddamn crustaceans. You know what? Shells are cracked. Put them on the boil, baby.
00:44:01
Speaker
Pull that motherfucking level. No, that's not what I meant to do, Josh. Oh, my God. go back At least I knew i could, but it's it's okay. It's fine. But you know what? I'm glad that, you know, there's more compassion for cats than there are for fucking for humans.
00:44:21
Speaker
ah Dude. People care more about cats over lobsters than people care about humans over money. Bro, a missing kid gets some attention. But you find somebody who's like abusing animals, people will come from other states to hang that guy.
00:44:39
Speaker
It's not fair. Yeah, you're not. They're both bad things. People, man, team people. You're not wrong about that. That is SMEs in like ah in mass. We have messed up social psychology is crazy.
00:44:54
Speaker
Well, think that's trying to apply logic to everybody. will drive you crazy. Oh, no. A trolley is heading toward five people who are sleeping and won't feel pain.
00:45:06
Speaker
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, running over someone who is wide awake instead. What do you do? What is it? Helen Keller and her five deafblind sisters?
00:45:19
Speaker
This is basically the original trolley program problem. Just the the five people are asleep and they won't feel the pain.
00:45:30
Speaker
Which bullshit... You don't think that as soon as I... It's not a fucking bullet train. Yeah. You're going to get ground up like the sausage brother. Yeah. But, okay, let's let's let's say the charlieey the trolley problem in in real works.
00:45:48
Speaker
That was a weird grammar, Josh. Let's say they don't feel the pain. Okay, and so? There's still more death. Yeah, yeah. it's it's I think that's a that variable is is not a deal breaker for me. It wouldn't change my mind from the original one.
00:46:07
Speaker
And based on the lie based on other psychological experiments, I say that doesn't even come into it for most people. Yeah, I would. I bet ah bet we're in the majority. You're fucking kidding me.
00:46:19
Speaker
Wow, it's almost dead on. Wow. That really... bursts that I mean, you would think that this one would be the exact same percentage as the original because the only difference is five people are sleeping.
00:46:36
Speaker
that The fact that they're sleeping made a big difference to people. no Only about maybe, if I remember, it was like 57%. No, that's I'm thinking the money one.
00:46:49
Speaker
I've got what the percentage of the first one. It was like 73%. Damn. but deal That's a huge, huge that statistical difference.
00:47:00
Speaker
My God. Oversleeping. It's the don't feel pain. They're like, they're like, is it over the, uh, racking guilt you'll feel for the rest of your life knowing you cause a whole pain?
00:47:15
Speaker
They don't feel pain might be the ticker. That's a good point. That's the, yeah, because yeah you don't have to listen to their screams. Yeah.
00:47:26
Speaker
Or you can sit there. I, they could have easily have said, instead of sleeping, in a coma unknown if they'll ever wake again or something like that you know what i mean i would i would i would run over i would run over the coma yeah yeah but if they're sedated drug that's never because there's no consent there
00:47:50
Speaker
but's consent It's like murdering fighters. We're talking about the pain factor and the reasons behind it thought Oh, yeah. Okay. you saw you you I mean, I was thinking they were drugged then dragged to the track. No, I'm sorry.
00:48:01
Speaker
Well, how else did you get there? How else did you there? Dexter? does this smell like chloroform to you?
00:48:11
Speaker
Oh, man. that's a i always I would expect that to at least be in the high 50%.
00:48:18
Speaker
Oh, that's a troubling one. My God, society, you're scaring me today. But again, to me, it's a numbers game. it Logically, the needs of the many outweigh the needs it a few. It's just the way that it is.
00:48:30
Speaker
Yeah. In my opinion, that's my opinion. Help the most people. If it's a no-win situation, and help as many as you can. This is interesting because you definitely are coming at this more of a utilitarian way, and I'm coming at more of a Kantian way or deontological way.
00:48:47
Speaker
But I'm just going to say, when I say Conte, I mean Dion's watch. I'm not going to. And we talking fucking language. I don't know what your distinctions are. You're fine. You're fine.
00:48:59
Speaker
So here's all I want to say. And I used to not talk like that, but I started to realize the only reason why i know words and concepts like that is because other people would say it and then I would go look it up myself.
00:49:13
Speaker
So if anybody wants to feel a certain way because they don't know what I'm talking about, do yourself a favor and go look it up. it's That's my best. I don't like giving advice, but and i I don't like structuring my vocabulary for other people.
00:49:27
Speaker
And it gets tedious sometimes to try to do Especially when I'm again trying to just philosophical concepts. Yeah. Well, yeah, just just in simplest form, like, it's like the categorical imperative.
00:49:40
Speaker
I won't murder anyone because I wouldn't, you know, murdering anyone is bad. Yeah. You know, it's not the right thing to do. Yeah, yeah. But killing someone isn't always bad.
00:49:52
Speaker
There's self-defense and et cetera. But murder, the definition of murder, taking one's life without consent, blah, blah, blah. But, you know, it's a categorical imperative. There's moral values I hold no that that will always be wrong no matter who the person is I'm looking at.
00:50:13
Speaker
Some value judgments I make based on the person I'm looking at because some people are better than others and situations are different. But I have categorical imperatives. One is I don't work.
00:50:24
Speaker
One is I do what I want, and what I don't want to do is hurt people, so I don't hurt people. I understand that. i You know my philosophy.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah. I don't want to put it in mentally or spiritually. But my broader point is I find it interesting. you your Your moral found values and mine are different, or we're coming at these differently, but this one, it we overlap, just like in original one.
00:50:51
Speaker
i find i just that I think that was ultimately what was wanting to point out. There's overlaps in moral moral um foundations and moral values. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's important to to point out because I think it bridges some commonality amongst people. is I'd like to point that out when I can.
00:51:10
Speaker
So anyway.
00:51:13
Speaker
Cheers. It is Tuesday morning. It's Tuesday morning. The edibles are kicking in, and I'm talking about trolley problems. I am in heaven right now. Whee!
00:51:25
Speaker
ah And Michael's having fun with it, so it's awesome. Oh, yeah, for sure. It was nice distraction, man. My rib's jacked up. So MK says, I've seen how people fall apart during an emergency situation.
00:51:35
Speaker
Judgment decision making go out the window for most, and that's exactly right. Yeah. It is a thing. And if you get enough panicking people in one space, it's it's infectious.
00:51:47
Speaker
So I want to like keep a cool head up and been in multiple emergency situations and I've saved lives. I don't crack under pressure. I, am ah again, that goes back to the fight, flight or freeze.
00:52:02
Speaker
I had an incident. This was, this is, okay. So I worked with explosives in the air force. I've said this multiple times. So there was an element of danger to my job. But as long as you were like, you follow the safety regs and you're familiar with them, like the job was fairly safe.
00:52:18
Speaker
But one night we were, me and the airman I was with, I won't mention Jessica Richardson's name, but.
00:52:30
Speaker
and the rymes was je The only woman, the only woman, only woman I've ever seen pee her name in the snow. However, I digress. um So classy. i gave I gave her I gave her props on that one. Fucking high five. Anyway, so we're we're reloading the BDU bomb tree with BDU's are like bomb dummy units for for training, but they have cold spots, hot spots. So they have like a little bit of explosive and like 1.3 cold spot shoot out a fucking six foot.
00:53:02
Speaker
uh you know hot spots shoot out a six foot flame they use it during winter this was in Alaska that way it's for training purpose pilots can see where the bombs hit for you know just for target practice cold spots were during the summer was more of because you don't want to burn shit down so I digress so we're restocking the trailer and there's a C block that holds the plunger in the front these are BDU if I remember you can look those up and anyway with the When they're loaded up on the aircraft, the C-block is taken out from behind plunger. So when it hits, the plunger goes in and it initiates the explosive train.
00:53:40
Speaker
So anyway, so I'm pulling out one out of the, out actually I'm picking up out of the the crate to slide into the trailer. And i'm pulling up and the C-block falls out. I'm like, well, that's a bummer.
00:53:53
Speaker
I've been in for a while. this woman had to as long as me, but I know something like that. Set it down, isolate it, call control. They'll leave a message for the the shop that will come by tomorrow, pick it up and fix it.
00:54:09
Speaker
No big emergency. So I'm turning around to let Jessica know, hey, can you call control on the road? And she's running down the fucking road. Her response to that quote unquote emergency was flight.
00:54:25
Speaker
Mine was fight. Some people would have stood there like a deer in the headlights going far and be like, I don't know what to do. There's the differences. Fight, fight, and flight.
00:54:35
Speaker
Yes. Anyway, yeah, I thought that was an interesting story to kind of, yeah, yeah. And I like calling that woman out every time I can in my life. She is not a bad person. She's not a bad person.
00:54:47
Speaker
She's not. was just a. Was she your commanding officer? no, no. She was a subordinate. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, man, if that person's outranking you, what the fuck?
00:55:00
Speaker
You're supposed to be giving orders in that situation. I'm just, flee. Run away. She was in long enough to understand what she did was asinine.
00:55:11
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. ah Remember when something goes wrong? You know what? in that put in that That makes me feel unsafe at work in an environment like that. like I was like, well, now I don't want to take her out on jobs. It's like, right hey, Dewey, you want to go instead?
00:55:28
Speaker
you know what I Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, yeah.
Reflections on Trolley Problems
00:55:31
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Level level nine. Oh, no, a trolley is heading toward five people who tied them who tied themselves to okay remember five people who tied themselves to the track.
00:55:43
Speaker
You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing one person who accidentally tripped on the track and apparently wrapped himself up in rope. And what do you do?
00:55:54
Speaker
Well, they want it that bad. I mean, this this guy's there on accident. They might try to do it again in the future anyway.
00:56:05
Speaker
I see what you mean. They're, they're possibly putting their, your concern, their safety isn't your concern. Kill those emo little bitches.
00:56:16
Speaker
Kill those emo bitches. That's right. ah And Brittany, and Brittany, if you're Brittany, if you're listening, emo punk, I don't know if that's real punk sometimes.
00:56:29
Speaker
Anyway. yeahp they're done So, so you can pull the lever device. So we're pulling the lever. That's what I'm doing. Wait, no, I did the wrong one. God damn it, Josh. I did the wrong one again.
00:56:42
Speaker
Fuck. Oh, that's okay. cause Because we still get to look at the numbers. And the numbers is what I really want to look at. Our decision to actually save the five, but I fucked up the switch.
00:56:54
Speaker
We were 76 agreed with us. So that's not bad. I think that's a yeah ah fairly respectable number. I couldn't get behind that one. 76% of the people kill the four emotes.
00:57:10
Speaker
Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Again, it's logically, that makes sense to me. Given those parameters, that's the win.
00:57:21
Speaker
You I mean, I'm not saying like I'm gonna throw you some props. I love it. I love the way you're reading all these. so Oh, no. like oh yeah no fucking feeling of distress at all. Oh, no. yeah i feel i love all that that edible really is kicking in.
00:57:39
Speaker
Oh,
00:57:42
Speaker
oh no ah okay wellll see if i can the Oh, no. a trolley is heading towards five people. The trall away the levers speeds up the trolley, which might make it less painful. What do you do? See, here's the thing.
00:58:00
Speaker
I had i to stop the funniness so I can read it and actually retain what I'm reading. I can do both. It speeds up the trolley, which might... what
00:58:12
Speaker
They're dying no matter what. Yeah. get Some of their pain. Yes, I'll pull the lever speed it up. i mean it Yeah. want hamburger? Or do you want... You want to paint... yeah i'm like If I can't save your life, I'll least try to make it as less painful as possible.
00:58:31
Speaker
Pink mist. I'm going paint that fucking track red. that Splat! And we, of course, you know what? I feel ah feel happy about that one. 72% of people would.
00:58:48
Speaker
Again, it just seems like a no-brainer, doesn't it? Yeah. and Why would anybody not do the other thing? I mean, through through inaction, they're still responsible for what's happening now.
00:58:59
Speaker
Responsibility is the whole issue here, too. I mean. we'll see i i want say Why are you living this hobo life following these railroad tracks? If you're standing in front of that switch, do you have any responsibility? Let's say... The responsibility choice. looking at it that the person has i think we're looking at it that the the the the the person has two choices when I think they actually have three.
00:59:26
Speaker
One choice is to pull the lever regardless of what the outcome is. The second choice is to consciously not pull the lever because the outcome is either or.
00:59:37
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Or C, not pull the level the lever because you don't want to be involved. Does that make sense? Do you not think not pulling the lever so involves a person?
00:59:49
Speaker
I'm not saying they would get that in the moment. They're trying to self-care, alleviate guilt. i think okay i think i and i think that's where I think that's where the guilt thing lies in. I think if you're sitting there and you feel guilty because you don't know what choice to make, but you end up not pulling the lever, that's you choosing not to, but you feel guilty for having to make that decision.
01:00:12
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It causes anxiety and guilt, and that's what, you know, that it was a hard decision. Compared to somebody that's like, I'm sorry. Whatever. Whatever happens, happens as I walk away. those are so That's what I mean by three different choices.
01:00:28
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ah feel you there. But again, i don't know, man. You're still going to hear the screams and the grinding of bones and shit. You're getting you're getting pcsd either way. You may as well have some fucking action. there Unless, of course unless you course, you're that psychopath that's walking by the switch and be like, osciopath well, i have ah I have a tea time at three, so peace.
01:00:52
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We're speeding this thing up. You know or no No, it's not speeding it up. It's literally, it's like something's happening in the world, and I'm just... gonna not pay attention to it and go about your business yeah yeah so you're by yourself on a train on at the other end of the train the subway train or new york city on the other side of the train uh there's three young kids hood looms street punks harassing a lady yeah i don't see a thing man
01:01:23
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Yeah, it's not my problem. I got my own. Yeah, whatever. Regardless. Exactly. yeah That's inaction and you're still going to feel terrible about it. I should have done something. Unless you're psychopath. Unless you're a psychopath.
01:01:40
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A sociopath. Either or. you work yeah Crazy person. yeah So I just, I think, yeah, yeah. i Again, those are those weird mitigating factors that they're not thinking about. There's always a psychopathy in people and Again, knowing that if if it's completely blind, and you know what I mean? Maybe they are willing to give those kind of answers because they can't track them in that way.
01:02:02
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Yeah. yeah Smart psychopaths are ah very dangerous because they know what people need to hear to stay out there. Dennis Rader, man, not a super intelligent guy, but he killed women for 26 years.
01:02:15
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e The BTK. Anyway. You're good, Seanan. Glad you're back. We just had a couple of good ones, man. Go back and check those out. love to hear your comments later.
01:02:27
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All right. you ready for level 11? I sure. Or do you want to stop at level 10? I can keep going. I'm having fun. Yeah, yeah. Let's fuck around and have some fun. I don't have anything to do until noon. I don't either. I don't either. Shut up. This is fun for me.
01:02:41
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Viewers be damned. I'm having a good time. Oh, no. a trolley is heading toward one guy. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track. But then your Amazon package will be late. What do you do?
01:02:55
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oh dude, I'm pulling that lever. Fuck. it's It's only some wedding stuff for Sue anyway. It'll come tomorrow.
01:03:03
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Ooh. Ooh. There's no package I'm getting if it unless it's a kidney for my kid that I'm going fucking sacrifice a package for a person or a person for a package.
01:03:18
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Legit. Yes. What did I order? Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What did order?
01:03:27
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yeah That's a good one. What if it's Jeff Bezos on the fucking track? Look, that doesn't end right. That's a win-win if you ask I'm not going lie. I get my package on time.
01:03:40
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can believe me or you cannot believe me. You can believe me or not believe me. I wouldn't know Jeff Bezos in a lineup. I wouldn't know. Really?
01:03:50
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Unless he was yelling. It's me Jeff Bezos. You know what I know about Jeff Bezos? He owns Amazon and he flew into space on a cock rocket. That's all I know. I could not pick him out of a crowd.
01:04:02
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I could pick out Elon Musk and I could pick out ah Zuckerberg. Okay. I couldn't. tell you right now i'll i couldn't give you a basic description of then he lose a man he looks he looks like a real the real world version of lex luther
01:04:22
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i like him already fuck superman i am not super he looks like the monopoly man without the class
01:04:32
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Dude, his his new wife, though, my God, she looked like she walked off the plastic factory. My God. Scary. Like she's got that wind-up wheel back here to stretch that skin back.
01:04:49
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i Got him a step-ward wife. Yeah, exactly. I like that one's get that one gets a star brother. He looks like the monopoly man without the class.
01:05:01
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speak Yeah, comments actually over comments, man. Him and Jedi. very It looks like Lexus is working out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be a no brainer. I mean, this is an Amazon package again, unless it's life saving thing for somebody very dear to me. That's an easy choice. It's not even a choice.
01:05:23
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It just simply is what you do. Period. well this There's 23% of people is like, nah, want my motherfucking package. um That's, that's worrisome.
01:05:33
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ah I hope I do iPhone. mother I can't let that go.
01:05:39
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ah i want You know, the thing is, when people are doing this, probably when they're by themselves and they're not goofing off, they're probably, whatever their mood is, what are their experiences in life are, what are their influences, might be drawing that conclusion like, well, I did have a package that was a kidney, and if it would have been late, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? they're like, well, kill that motherfucker.
01:06:05
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So I'm just saying. That's what was saying. Again, exactly. If it's a totally blind test and nobody's going to ever know who answered what, you're more likely to get honest, true answers from lunatics.
01:06:19
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By the way, i want i won the well i won the internet yesterday. You know how you you find something funny like a comment and you're like, oh, you won the internet today. and I had that moment yesterday. you know who Dean Cain is?
01:06:31
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Is that Dean Cain? Yes, I do. Yeah. Oh, do you know what? Without going into detail, you know what's going on currently with him? No, I do not. Anyway, he volunteered for ICE. Whoa. And his his performance in the obstacle course was very lackluster. Anyway, my my whole thing is, plot twist, Dean Cain is really bizarro.
01:06:53
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Superman ain't so Superman.
01:07:00
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So, because it fits the bizarro world in which we're living in. Okay, moving on. So weird. Moving on. We're going to level 12. dead internet done people are Oh, no.
01:07:13
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You want to read this one, sir? Sure. Okay. Oh, no. A trolley is heading towards your best friend. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing five strangers instead.
01:07:24
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What do you do?
01:07:28
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do stuff that Sue lives. I need Sue. Fair enough. That's sissy, man. And again, knowing most people are garbage anyway, that is a definite save because we know a great human being.
01:07:44
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She does good in the world. Those other motherfuckers will probably add to the strike. At least three out of those four motherfuckers are shit. i yeah yeah i'm I'm probably going lose some love on this, but i really can't place my, I mean, I understand your situation being, you know, engaged and all that. I would be a fucking total wreck.
01:08:08
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But I, you know, i can, yeah, I would say, yeah thinking about it, yeah, in that in that kind of context. Yeah, sorry, motherfuckers, y'all getting ran over for her.
01:08:23
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I feel that. Yeah. Yeah. But even you, right? You're. It's a hard one though. Cynical. But you know how people are.
01:08:33
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You know how people are. I love you and Glick. But honestly, i i would struggle if I if if i if i let y'all live and and kill five people. I would have.
01:08:49
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I think I would end up killing myself over time. Legit. Legit. I think I would i would be fucked in the head for having having done something like that. Yeah. Question along the same line of thinking you just killed your homeboy.
01:09:05
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How's that? well that's gonna That's going to fuck me up too. That's going to fuck me up too, but it's not going to fuck me up as five strangers.
01:09:15
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Yeah. Let's add a little sauce. Let's put a little sauce on this burrito, all right? Okay, here. Hold on. Hold on. You wipe out the strangers, and then you find out their obituaries, two of them were family people and stuff like that.
01:09:32
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The other two were known repeat offending violent criminals.
01:09:39
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Well, considering that hindsight or 20-20 is a fallacious... way it to to to come to an conclusion that wouldn't bother me. I understand. Yeah, that wouldn't bother me.
01:09:50
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I would still be more bothered than that my best friend died. then I mean, wouldn't I would be like, well, darn, that sucks, but it wouldn't bother me because I still wouldn't make the same because because i know i can't I know I can't travel back in time and change my mind, so why? I'm not going to lie. I'm just asking, you think that would alleviate some of the guilt?
01:10:13
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ah No. Mm-mm. You were two for two. Yeah.
01:10:21
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Well, we'll see the way I'm looking at it. Two good folks, everyday people. Yeah. You still got rid two people. That's a lot of harm you saved.
01:10:34
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No, I was still... in here no no I know, no, I'm just saying. Oh, well, okay. Well, I mean, yeah, I would be... I would feel like a little less shame. Like, well... It was that's not bad, but I would still feel guilty.
01:10:48
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ah do I mean, over time. I understand that. Yeah. But that's a man. That's an interesting one. What about your friends, family? You have to face them.
01:10:59
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OK, so here's the thing. That's another thing. Because i know we're watching this I know the people that are my friends would most likely sacrifice themselves for the many.
01:11:12
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So when I make the decision to sacrifice them for the many, I would have it in the back of my head that that's what they would do if I was in that situation. And that's what makes that decision a little bit easier to do with that.
01:11:26
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And I say that being from and from the military, And a lot of my friends being people that were already people that were going to sacrifice themselves for the many.
01:11:37
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So like I, because I've lived with people with that mentality already, think that's why I would, I would, sorry, best friend. I love you. But so, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:11:48
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It is a hard one. You motherfucker. but we I thought we were ride or die prick. You just fucking wasted me for four fucking strangers.
01:12:02
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ah You motherfucker. got some weigh on real Are you really? you really I'm saving you anyway, you prick, even though and you do that to me. It makes sense to me. Again, i know most people are aren't worth it.
01:12:19
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You are a good soul. The world's better with you in it. I don't know. Even though even though I combat it because it's a contradiction in my life. But a lot of times I do have that warrior ethos in me from being in the military and having my, having the background that I have, you know, being an army brat and stuff. It was always instilled in me that you sacrifice yourself.
01:12:45
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And so my, my life, has been people surrounding you know people who have surrounded me through professional and friends and stuff has always been people with that sort of same sort of mentality.
01:12:59
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right So I guess instinctually that's what I would do. you know so Because i wonder would gli I'm kind of curious to know what Glick would think, if he would sacrifice us for them or not.
01:13:10
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I don't know. i think he would do what you would do, though, to tell you the truth. ah Here's the other side of this coin we talked about earlier, I think, on the first one. You're not in that actual situation. It's a thought experiment.
01:13:21
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Yeah, absolutely. Emotion comes into play, and don't care what you said on the show. I know. You're going to save me.
01:13:31
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so As long as I yeah i don't over smoke. got weed in my pocket, though. Well, in that case, in that case, I guess if I was meeting up with you to get my stash, I'm like, well, fuck.
01:13:50
Speaker
So on this one, I am definitely pulling the lever. Oh, no. A trolley is heading towards your bed. Okay. Pull the lever. Pull the lever. We'll pull in the lever. Oh, no.
01:14:02
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Splash. Oh, man. I am in the 25 percentile in that one, friends. Man, I am a bad friend, apparently, according to conventional means. According to the silliness that we're engaging in. Yeah. i mean really i mean i don't hold a lot of credence and the validity on these numbers i really don't but give me a plus or minus five seven i mean not even two or three i mean this is not a nielsen rating or not neil three so even in like even in like political polls or polls period did you always got a factor in like a a three five four five point margin of error error error what
01:14:44
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error. So, I mean, like at 75%, it could be like 71, 72%, or could be 76 or 78, but I mean, I'm not saying the numbers are meaningless, but I mean, they're not accurate.
01:14:58
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no, no. But I think it's, I think it's kind of fun. oh absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Cause here's the thing, man. I'm answering this honestly as I can. I mean, I, I know how I act in emergency
Ethical Decisions in Emergencies
01:15:11
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situations. I've been in enough of them.
01:15:13
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yeah Oh, that's I mean, I could be like approaching the track and like my best friend, five strangers. And I noticed something on the strangers that like, oh, they're a group of people that I don't fucking like, you know, and I'm talking my like up like ah a like like that sounded bad.
01:15:31
Speaker
That sounded really bad. But like, um, they could be part of a ah white supremacy group. I don't like, you know what I mean? I see like a Nazi. How are they dressed? are Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. yeah You know, I'm going to, I'm going to observe details like that, but if I'm like, oh I just don't know who these people are. Like, ah, that's good.
01:15:50
Speaker
That's it. Am I saying it's not a hard decision? I'm just saying. Oh, absolutely. My, my non lizard brain would draw that conclusion now. But you're right, in the heat of the moment, like if it's a really There's many factors in that stressful situation that we're not taking. Absolutely. That this test doesn't take into account for it. Oh, yeah, yeah. And again, these trolley problems, a lot of people think they're they're wrong because they're not based in reality.
01:16:16
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But I think people give... I don't think people are looking at what they are when they have that critique Trolley problems. Because it's not about the problems themselves. It's about the conversations you are having talking about these variables.
01:16:30
Speaker
I'm glad you mentioned that. i mean I'm really getting to know who you are. The way you think and shit. I mean, I already kind of knew anyway, but yeah. I was surprised on a couple of our differences, but it's not going to change how I think about it.
01:16:42
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other than Other than I know in my heart, what you said, you're saving me. Motherfucker.
01:16:50
Speaker
I got the key. I don't need a ride. yeah all Here's another thing I like to talk about coming up on these tracks. Why? I don't think these apply to me at all because I'm never going to be hobo bindling it down the fucking tracks.
01:17:03
Speaker
Yeah. A $20 will be all taped to my lapel just hoping for the best trying to can beans. yeah ah Yeah. these have these situations These situations, like this is so unrealistic. I know this one never happened in my life. That's why I mean, that's why I'm going full. But it doesn't make it fun to talk about it.
01:17:21
Speaker
I'm going full fucking Socrates this morning, guys. It's so great, stupid. It's so great, motherfucker.
Philosophical Readings and Reflections
01:17:31
Speaker
All right, where are we going next?
01:17:33
Speaker
I decided to crawl out of my deagenesis barrel and put on the toga and be Socrates. Sorry. yeah was out That was a play-doh joke that I wish that that was that just ruined is ruin on you guys. I fucking love y'all, though.
01:17:56
Speaker
You're welcome. I started listening to the to the dialogues of Plato again last week. God, they're so awesome. Anyway, i haven't read heos I was like 22, think, the last time I delved into that kind of stuff.
01:18:12
Speaker
they I did. It's been a long time since I read them. I just read, I just listened to them on audio book. They're rather short reads, to tell you the truth. They're not that long, if I remember right. But like, just the yeah the first one, ah Apologies, I think it's like a 30 minute listen.
01:18:29
Speaker
The freaking, the preface from the narrator, I think is long. It felt like it was longer. It was weird. Bezo might put you on the tracks. he je You're right. He might put us on the tracks because he's the like on the tracks of a manufacturer assembly line no p break for you and ah work drone work i kind of like in uh socrates to the um oh where was i going with that oh to uh he's like the bobby fisher of philosophy
01:19:08
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Bobby Fischer would play against himself. This the best matches you could get. Soccer teams would argue against themselves.
01:19:17
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I'm sure you knew that. I mean, yeah. Just a comment. We don't have to go in with it. Yeah, well. thought it was a neat comparison because I'm an idiot.
01:19:28
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I want to make it sound like I do. You're outshining me so much. No, you're good. um yeah just i just hope you guys are having fun with the trolley problems. Oh, what is the this? Why is this one blurred?
01:19:42
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Can't see. Oh, no. A trolley is heading toward five people. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing one person instead. At least that's what you think is happening.
01:19:54
Speaker
You've got your glasses and can't see you that well. What do you do?
Decision-Making Under Uncertainty
01:20:00
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My answer is do nothing. Wow. Do nothing.
01:20:05
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Yeah, man. i mean that If it's that blurry, but if this well mean can you hear the people screaming? You got a 50-50 chance. That's a good point. I guess if you can hear them screaming, you might they might be able to tell you.
01:20:20
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And you know there's people there. but take the Take the communication out of it. if If there's no noise, that might be a log. I'm not fucking touching that thing. I'm not a goddamn railroad worker.
01:20:32
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That be my exact instinct in that case. If I can't, my vision does suck. If I don' have my glasses, I'm a middle man only. I got medium range and it's not that great either. Yeah.
01:20:43
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If I can't see, is that even a switch I'm holding? I don't know. Don't press. I can't read it. ah whereas my date don't press press i i can't read it i would See, i would do new I would do nothing. I can't know.
01:20:55
Speaker
My chances are 50-50 no matter if I hit the switch or not, so I would just do nothing. That's what my brain will tell me. Just do nothing. Barring communication with the peoples. like the the said no yeah yeah Let's say they're bound and gagged.
01:21:10
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They're bound and gagged. You can't hear them. there's that You can't hear over the trolley coming down the tracks. But you know, for some reason, somebody he told you that there's people on the tracks.
01:21:25
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That's so weird. How would you know people are on the tracks? Who's telling you this? Anyway. So, but yeah, i would I would do nothing. I would do nothing. Based on just that information, I would do nothing. Go to this location. i will call you on this cell phone in 20 minutes.
01:21:38
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Follow your heart, Shaman says. But it's a dildo. Yeah.
01:21:47
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Inaction. what Well, inaction, but if you can't see... Inaction based on impairment. Inaction in action in this situation is no it's like Schrodinger's fucking cat.
01:22:01
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You don't know. You don't know until after the decision's made, and then the the evil villain gives your glasses back and goes, now see what you've done.
01:22:13
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Yeah. I mean, because no matter what your decision is, you're not going to feel any different about it. I would hope not because you, you, that that responsibility isn't on my shoulders. It's on the shoulders, the person that took, that took that away from me. I guess if I, if, if I couldn't, if I actually lost my glasses, I guess that would be on me, but still I would make the same decision.
01:22:40
Speaker
Yeah. The George Costanza twins. I was spotting. Left and right. ah I was just in the pool. i probably I just came out of the pool. It was just a cold shower.
01:22:52
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Oh man. I'm telling you what, uh, again, I mean, that's just how I am. If I can't see it for sure, i gotta, I gotta know what I'm doing before I'm going to it.
01:23:05
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So you're not, or you pull a lever. I'm not going to pull it either because, um, okay ah if Again, barring using just these informational circumstances, I know sometimes I think for sure what I'm seeing is what I'm seeing.
01:23:21
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And then Sue, who's also blind, will say, what the fuck do you think you're seeing? Because that's not what that is. But yeah, man, I don't i don't see so good, man. All right. wells Both of us are doing nothing.
01:23:36
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The track hit them. Yeah. Apparently, five people died. We know that just because we can watch the graphic after the fact. But, wow, we are in the minority on that.
01:23:48
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But it's not that far apart. Well, no it's got a 10-point difference, sorry. Oh, 45% if I said 95. Yeah, 45, 55. And that's why I'm not pulling the lever.
01:24:00
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I got my glasses on. I can't fucking read. Yeah. yeah i am i Yeah, I don't feel bad about that decision at all. In my opinion, that is irresponsible.
01:24:12
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What, to pull the lever? To pull it? Yes. Yeah, yeah.
01:24:20
Speaker
Yeah, that's one of those situations. It's like, well, either, doesn't matter what the outcome is. It just might as well be that dude that just walks on by.
Familial Ties in Moral Decisions
01:24:30
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Level 14. Oh, Getting deep, getting deep. A trolley is heading towards one of your first cousins. You can pull the lever to divert it to the other track, killing three of your second cousins instead. what do you do?
01:24:45
Speaker
Well, what state do I live in? example yeah don't want to kill my wife. Or sister. yeah you're so my orma Or my mom.
01:24:59
Speaker
drunk Your uncle cousin.
01:25:03
Speaker
Oh, homie. I'm looking at this photo, though. You're right. Didn't pull it. The track would hit the train. Pull it. Yeah. Second cousins are much older than first cousins, aren't they?
01:25:19
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First cousins are older. Second, because your your first cousin's niece would be your second, or daughter would be your second cousin. Oh, uh, I'm going to be honest with you.
01:25:33
Speaker
I don't know any of them. I might as well. We don't do a lot of family, like reunions stuff like that on my mom's side. On my dad's side, I've only got, i don't know.
01:25:46
Speaker
Yeah. I got guess a few cousins, but again, we don't, we never did stay close. Uh, yeah. Fuck my first cousins. If y'all ever hear this, I love you.
01:25:58
Speaker
I just don't, uh, And again, Shaman said earlier, what's in the package? Which cousin?
01:26:06
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I'm going by both. I'm going by all my first cousins. None of y'all watching support me anyway. So, bad and I'm joking. I love y'all. i So, you got me thinking about the H thing.
01:26:21
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And I went with that.
01:26:25
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I decided to go ahead and kill my first cousins. because Because my first cousins and I are all about the same age. And I'm like, well, my second cousins are going to have more life left.
01:26:36
Speaker
they Well, no, my second cousins are their children. Right. So I would think. Yeah, they were like, dude, they would probably, no, save my kid. i'm accurate Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. yeah So i kind of, okay yeah, that's where my brain went as soon as you said,
01:26:54
Speaker
Which one's older? It's like, oh, that got me thinking. So, yeah. Can I invite Sue on this one? Answer one question for Oh, no. A trolley is heading towards one of your first cousins.
01:27:08
Speaker
You can pull a lever to divert it to the other track, killing five of your second cousins instead. What do you do? don't my second cousins.
01:27:19
Speaker
She does nothing, saves the first cousin. She does not know her second cousins. Is second cousin your cousin's children? No, that's the first cousin.
01:27:30
Speaker
What's the second cousin? That like your cousin's kid.
01:27:40
Speaker
She says the second cousin is your mom's cousin or your dad's cousin. She's going to check it. That would also your cousin's your cousins kids your second cousins because it's it's reciprocal.
01:27:59
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um she explain it She just explained it from the other perspective but it's reciprocal. Well it's two cousins versus an uncle's cousin. and so willie cause you're Because she's looking at it from ah generational age but an age thing but her own age.
01:28:21
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But it's, but, but second cousin was she, she just said it from her, her own person. Yeah. She was killing them. cause she didn't know. Yeah.
01:28:31
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Okay. um A second cousin. Is relative with whom you share the same great grandparents. Okay. Your second cousins are. So that's reciprocal.
01:28:43
Speaker
That's where they have this, you have the same great grandparents. Yeah. That's what makes sense. that Oh, I can't. okay i'm go delight it to now You know what? Fuck it. I'm still killing the first generation. with i But I got to sit down and write that down on paper later when I'm not. Let's add names to this. I know. like my I'm blowing my own mind right now. When it starts to like think about relative structures and seconds and like, I just don't talk to them.
01:29:17
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It solves that problem. No joke. 55% of people agree with us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Conclusion and Future Discussions
01:29:23
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Well, Michael, i I just looked at the time not to be a ah party pooper.
01:29:29
Speaker
This is fun. But I do, i might, I gotta get some liquid in me and get some stuff done this morning. um Roger, dodger. So that is, it's let's do one more. let's Let's do one more at level 15 and we'll stop after that.
01:29:43
Speaker
Nice. Let's do one more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. That way I know in my brain where we start because I want to do this again. Sean, if you're listening, let's yeah before we answer Tell us what you would say.
01:29:56
Speaker
Oh, no. trolley is heading towards five elderly people. You can pull the lever to divert to the other track, running over a baby instead. What do you do? who This is a... I'm going to say this is a no-brainer. Everybody's different. But I'm curious what what Shaman would say.
01:30:17
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Give him a moment. um
01:30:21
Speaker
I know what I'm going to do. Me too. And I think everybody that's been listening knows what I'm to do. I'm sure you know what I'm going to do. Oh, yeah. I think so.
01:30:32
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I think you and i I, think this is one of those times you and I will overlap with the same answer. Because it is a no-brainer. Logically speaking, it's just, again, it's the logic in it.
01:30:43
Speaker
yeah I can't find it. I can't follow it. is not I mean, it's it's an ethical question. i mean, you're going to have repercussion Oh, yeah like yeah. Absolutely.
01:30:59
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But at the end of the day, there's nothing I can't rationalize. You know, while he's thinking that, I do want to throw the bio link. ah Look us up on bio link.
01:31:12
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Check out our other shows tomorrow. Yeah, like, share, subscribe. Tomorrow. Wait, no, tonight. Today's Tuesday. my God. We're doing the tuesday a Tuesday a.m. show.
01:31:23
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Tonight, Glick's House of Music. Glick's going to have Phil Brady, Michael's homie. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, Phil Brady. Very talented. Coming down to the garage tonight.
01:31:36
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Might be playing a little acoustic music, too. Nice. So, Michael will be joining y'all as well. It's going to be a great team. Very talented. For real.
01:31:47
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Wednesdays. Wild Card Wednesdays. It's going be tomorrow night. And i think I know what we're doing, but you guys will find out tomorrow. ah Thursday, nothing. Friday, nonsense and chill. Trivia night.
01:31:59
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Western movies. I need to get. Oh, wow. I got to send that flyer out to peeps. um Get some drum up some business. I think we might be able to get some more contestants up there. Getting some more traction from Saturday night's pool of people.
01:32:14
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And I'm going to pull from there some so fun fun individuals. And then. yeah Saturday, i think, let's say they're going to try to bring back Cassius Corner for some wrestling talk. And, the course, Saturday night is nonsensical nonsense. The flagship show, open door challenge where you guys can come up and shoot the shit and put up with crazy wackiness.
01:32:41
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As long as we can put up with you, as long as we can. Some of y'all, I love you. But in small doses. ah Sunday, and unnecessary roughness is back. Football talk and some other sports apparently.
01:32:56
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ah Usually it's just football and what's going on, I think. ah What's going on around football? Did you hear anything about any big home runs so on the football weekend? I have not. I have not.
01:33:07
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I don't even know who the batting champion is no sometimes i'll Sometimes when I'm flipping through the sports paper, I'm like hoping for some Zamboni death.
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just so
01:33:23
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There's a trolley heading toward a stadium. of but but it's a za oh we shouldn't it We should have did Zamboni problems. Instead of the a trolley, it's a fucking Zamboni in a hockey rink. I love Deadpool. I'm going to kill you with a fucking Zamboni.
01:33:40
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and But so yeah, guys, check us out. Oh, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Oh yeah, and that just starts the repetitiveness of it. So anyway, check us out. The loop begins. Oh, yes, sir.
01:33:54
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All right. ah The baby has its whole life ahead, but could be a Hitler. So it seems to me like it's still not a pull or not pull. All right, shaman's on the fence. We ain't waiting for shaman no more.
01:34:09
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What are you doing, Mike? See you later, or Grandma. Running over the baby and said, pull the lever, so do nothing. I would do the same. I would do nothing.
01:34:19
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um Even though the I'm doing nothing to kill four fucking old elderly drivers. who get You would think elderly people would drive faster so they can get there before they die.
01:34:29
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Instead of running over big green boxes.
01:34:36
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I think you're just slightly biased at the moment. I think that's your frustration speaking. Oh, it's not. the last I'm laughing with you, not at you. don't care either way. It's still fun.
01:34:47
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laughters Laughter is laughter. What was the number on that? i it was like in the 70s. We were to agree with us. I hope so. What is up with this? Why is it? Oh, there it goes.
01:35:00
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Oh, there we go. My cursor was over it. Wow, that was that was fun, man. Yeah, yeah. They wanted to do a fun when I had a great time with that.
01:35:11
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yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think the only thing that made it fun was the different stipulations of the actual conversation and discussion about it. The tests themselves are ludicrous. I think we can agree on that.
01:35:23
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This is like prince this vacuum that doesn't count. Like when when I think of chronic contemplations, this is what I was thinking. yeah This this this morning with fucking epic.
01:35:36
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Anyway, I want to thank Shaman, MK, Brittany, and who else stopped by? We had Noah stop by. Thank for stopping by.
01:35:48
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That's everybody. And oh, and no, that's just a
01:35:54
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um but bit of but of that's everybody and oh and you that's just ah ah by Yeah, man, that's about everybody.
01:36:04
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want to thank all y'all motherfuckers. there plenty robots They don't get high. Yeah, fuck them. Fuck them. But, yeah, I'm going go get high on life today. so Great talk, man. This was lot of fun.
01:36:18
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The best chronic contemplation you've got, I think. For me, that was too fun. oh yeah I was on a good one, but, man, that lapsed all the way through. Good job. Good pick, man. Thank you, thank you, tim so thank you. Oh, thank you.
01:36:30
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yeah, I love you. I totally forgot. Thursday morning at 10 a.m. is going to be another kind of contemplation stuff. So I'm not sure what Michael has on deck for us yet, but we'll find out.
01:36:44
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Cool. Until then, Michael, you want to send us out? Thanks for stopping and be great today because you deserve it.
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