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Paying for College | The Positively Healthy Mom Podcast with Shellee Howard
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🎙 The Positively Healthy Mom Podcast – Featuring Shellee Howard, Founder & CEO of College Ready
Are you a parent with a high school student preparing for college? In this episode, we sit down with Shellee Howard, a Certified Independent College Strategist, best-selling author, and global speaker. With decades of experience and four college graduates of her own, Shellee reveals her proven, personalized approach to:
- Helping students get into their dream colleges
- Graduating debt-free
- Building standout strategies for academic, financial, and personal success
Whether you’re overwhelmed by applications, scholarships, or choosing the right school, this episode gives you practical tools, insider tips, and real-world advice to guide your family through the college admissions process.
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:00
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Welcome to the Positively Healthy Mom Podcast, where positive parenting meets wellbeing.
00:00:10
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Hello everyone, welcome to today's episode of the Positively Healthy Mom. I'm so excited today to introduce to you Shelly Howard, who is founder and, hold on, I lost your title. was going to have you do it, but a founder and CEO of College Ready and a certified independent college strategist who helps families navigate the college admissions process with a proven personalized approach. So Shelly, why don't you tell us, you know, that was a mouthful. What does that mean? What do you do?
Managing College Admissions Stress
00:00:38
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So thank you so much for having me on your show What I get to do is I get to help families navigate something that is actually the second most stressful thing that they're going to go through after purchasing a home, and that is paying for college.
00:00:55
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So what I get to do is work with middle school and high school students and their families to help them find the perfect academic, social, and financial university to get the best return on investment of their education and actually leave college with a job waiting for them. Because most people focus on, let's just talk about getting in.
00:01:19
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also talk about, well, what happens when you get out? What does that look like? So our focus at College Ready is really helping your student find their core values, their gifts, their talents, what they advocate for, because life is going to be so much easier when they adult if they have that information going into college and let that navigate the direction through college into when they actually get a career.
Personal College Application Experiences
00:01:49
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I love that kind of long term thinking right because it is like you said a huge investment in the last thing we want to do is um go broke putting our kids to college, and then have them you know um sitting home after afterwards we don't want them coming back we want send them out so.
00:02:07
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As far as today's conversation, I mean, gosh, there's so much. And as I explained when we met, I have a senior daughter in high school right now. So we are like in this process. I also have two other high schoolers, a freshman and sophomore and a middle schooler.
00:02:20
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And so, you know, these younger kids are watching what she's going through with the essays and the applications. And we've done the visits and our heads are just spinning. Right. And I, and at one point I said to her, honey,
00:02:32
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and you know, it's going to work out, right? Like you're going to get in some place. You're going be happy with where you're getting in I said, what's going on? Like, why are you so overwhelmed? And she goes, well, everybody else is stressed out. So I'm stressed.
00:02:44
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but That's so genuine. love that she said that because she's sharing that she doesn't understand why she's overwhelmed, but everybody else is. So maybe she should be.
00:03:00
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just thing. And I'm like, you don't have to catch their stress, right? Like you have a plan. We haven't, you know, we've been working really hard on
Individuality in College Applications
00:03:07
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this. So what is your first piece of advice to moms or dads and their teenage kids who just feel so stressed and overwhelmed about this?
00:03:16
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Such a great question. So the first thing I would do is I would help them remember that social media is everybody's best day. Okay, parents are posting my kid has the perfect this and the perfect that and then they didn't get in.
00:03:30
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Let me tell you, last year, our students received over $10.3 million dollars in scholarships. There's so much money out there. People don't.
00:03:42
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don't know how to tap into it. So first thing, finances always freak out a family. So when you're thinking about, can we afford it? Should we afford it? They want this, but we can't really afford that.
00:03:57
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We're always looking at how can we make the perfect academic fit? Do they want to be at a school where you have to maintain all A's and take rigorous classes?
00:04:07
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and in order to graduate, or maybe they wanna be a student who does the sorority and the sports and you know has balance of life. And then we get to the social part.
00:04:20
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Many people find their significant other or best friends at university. Are they gonna be where their people are? right And then lastly, looking at what is your student aid index?
00:04:32
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And if you don't know what that is, i highly encourage you when you get off this podcast to Google it. Basically, in the most basic terms, what it is, you put in three or four answers to question on every college must have this on their website. It's called the student aid index.
00:04:54
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And it will then spit out what they think you should be able to pay for their school. Now, keep in mind, I've never had a parent go, yes, I am so excited to pay that.
00:05:06
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That's never happened, right? But here's the thing, you can lower it. it it It is possible to lower It's not just your income. It's also where your assets are held, where your cash is held.
00:05:19
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And so it legally and ethically, you can lower your student aid index to increase scholarships. So again, it's all about knowledge.
00:05:30
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So finding the perfect match school, by far the hardest part in this process. Of course, building their resume is hard, getting a high GPA and test scores and leadership. I get it. it's all It's all challenging, but if you do it right,
00:05:46
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and they're having fun. i have four kids of my own. And my goal was always as mom to be like, don't do it if you're not having fun. It's in genuine, and they're going to see right through it Don't sign up, show up, check the box if it's not essay worthy.
00:06:03
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Don't waste your time. um So in full answer to that, it really comes down to knowing your child. Are they gonna lead this? Because parents, I'm gonna be honest, it has changed significantly since you went to college, at least for me.
00:06:22
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I filled out two applications. I typed it on a typewriter. I put on a postage stamp. I hoped that it would actually get to admissions, right? Following me. And then, my gosh, great.
00:06:35
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They accepted me and that was it. It was so simple compared to what these young people have to endure right now. And so if they are feeling stressed, honor it, but also don't buy into it. Don't, don't, don't be okay with just staying in that place because it doesn't need to be.
00:06:56
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If they have a plan, They are going to feel empowered. They are going to feel confident, right? That is the critical piece in all of this, the financial plan, right? We don't talk about retirement when we're 70.
00:07:12
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We have a plan. We don't buy a home without being pre-qualified. We have a plan. This is the exact same thing. So the plan is why students are feeling overwhelmed because their high schools are not supporting them.
00:07:28
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And if the parent doesn't have the time, desire, or ability, they're feeling really alone for the very first time to navigate such an important and expensive opportunity.
00:07:41
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yeah Yes, yes, that's so true. That's so true. So what would be your next piece of advice? Like, I feel like the next thing would be like, okay, find an expert like
Shelly's Journey to College Strategy
00:07:53
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you, right? Like, tell us like about your experience. Like, how have you helped families? And and what are some cool stories that have happened?
00:08:01
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Well, I think my favorite story is the first story because I never set out to be a college admissions strategist. That was that's not what I thought my plan was. Right.
00:08:12
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My best plan. And, you know, everybody laughed. But I my son, my firstborn, he came home from middle school and he's like, mom I know exactly where I want to go to college and I know exactly what I want to major in.
00:08:26
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Can you help me? And I was shocked because ah like I mentioned, I applied to two schools. I changed my major five times. I got out in four years because that's all dad was willing to pay for. Like I had a totally bad plan. It was disaster.
00:08:41
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the fact that I got a degree, I'm super proud of. But Here's the thing. He was serious. He wanted me to help him. Like I did kicking the soccer ball to teach him how to use both feet or how to write cursive or whatever it was. He came to me.
00:08:58
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So if you're a parent and that's happened, it's a gift because they're reaching out for help. But if they don't reach out to you and they are going internal and they don't want to talk about it,
00:09:10
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That is a warning. That is a, I am freaking out right now. I'm a deer in headlights. Everybody's freaking out about it. I don't even have words to talk about it. So I like to let parents know you're going to have a child that's either on one side or the other. Very few play the middle.
00:09:28
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And having four, i had one all in knew what he wanted and the other three did not. So i can tell you it's helping them really put words to what it is they want for their future.
00:09:42
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So to answer your question is my son, after that, he says, mom, will you help me? I said, of course I'll help you. And what I did, whatever other good parent would do, and I sought advice.
00:09:54
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Well, there wasn't anybody like me. This was 18 years ago and there wasn't ChatGPT or Google or whatever you want to guess with. And so I went to his high school counselor and I said, okay, you tell her what you told me and I'm just going to be here and listen. And he says, yeah, I want to be i want to be a brain surgeon. I want to go to an Ivy League school.
00:10:17
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And she looked at him and said, why would you waste your time or money doing that? They don't make money anymore. And my mom inside of me like wanted to wring a neck.
00:10:28
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And I looked at him and he's like, I guess we're done here. and he starts walking out and he's not like that kind of kid. And I think she struck a nerve. Long story short, I went back to school, got my master's degree. Then I became a certified independent college strategist, started touring 25 colleges a semester and worked with my firstborn for four years, about 20 to 30 hours a week navigating this process.
00:10:58
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He did apply to 12 schools, got into 11, got seven full ride offers, and went to Harvard for free. so It's possible, right?
00:11:10
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Parents, I just want know it's possible. But are you as crazy as I am to do that? I tell people, don't do it. Hire somebody who can navigate this like your CPA would navigate your taxes and save you a boatload of money.
00:11:26
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So that's my that's my real experience. With my other three, I actually paid one of my consultants to tell them what I would tell them because they weren't as compliant as my firstborn.
00:11:40
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And they didn't really think I knew what I was talking about. So I know what that feels like, mamas and dads, because sometimes they you may say brilliant stuff and what they hear is wah, wah, wah, wah and go pick up your clothes off the floor. Right. So.
00:11:58
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It's sometimes hard to deliver this because they know you're not an expert. you Yeah, yeah, that's so true. So how would you advise parents or guide parents um you know to get started? Because I remember what my daughter and I did was, and first of all, we do we do have someone that is helping us. We have an outside person. I was not going to even begin this process without some help. So I am fully on board with um hiring some outside help.
00:12:26
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But one of the things that we did just on our own was look at a map of the United States. And we just kind of started to cross things out and highlight things as far as like where she even wants to be.
00:12:37
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So how do you start the process when you are working with your clients? Like, like, where do you begin? So we actually start with the student because if you have more than one child, you know they're all unique.
00:12:48
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You cannot treat them the same at all. So we first get to know the student. We get to know what's important to them, what gets them excited. We wanna know their core values, their gifts, their talents, what they advocate for.
00:13:02
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because it's not just fitting a square peg in a round hole, right? If you just apply to a school because of the name or the football team or whatever, it's not going to be the right fit. So we start with who is that child, then we do assessments that are high school based assessments,
00:13:22
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And we help them to get clear about what are those things they're just gifted at. You know, everybody's got that thing. then those things that maybe are not that good for them. And we need to figure out how do we minimize that.
00:13:38
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The next thing we do is we talk about careers. So based on what we learn, we help them by giving them, here are some amazing careers that we'd like to talk about. and they're like, I've never even heard of some of these because they're new. They could be AI, they could be tech, they could be whatever.
00:13:56
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And then we we give them resources. Then we talk about how much money they'll make right out of college and five years out of college. And if AI will take over that job in four years.
00:14:09
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So we're taking them all the way out and then bringing them all the way back in because it allows them to do some self-evaluation.
Exploring Careers and Financial Planning
00:14:20
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and if they're truly not sure, we encourage them to do community service in something they think they want to do.
00:14:27
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If they want to be a vet, they need to spend time in a kennel cleaning up after them, right? for Putting them in opportunities where they're helping another person and really finding out about them themselves is a very strong way to find out, yes, I still like that or no, I really don't want to work that hard.
00:14:50
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And or they don't make enough money. Students will be like, yes, $30,000. so I'm like, oh, no. So we have to kind of help them because we do a great job as parents kind of protecting them from all of that.
00:15:05
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And now we're trying to help them to adult without them even understanding what it costs to live on the street next to their parents. That's a big thing.
00:15:15
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They think that life will continue as we know it. And if they pick the wrong career, that is not going to happen, especially if they go into debt or marry somebody who has debt or double debt.
00:15:29
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Yeah, yeah, that's big. I mean, it's so true. So getting back into that, like, how do you minimize that debt? Like, what are your, you know, you talked about this, the index thing, what what other tools or tips can you give us?
00:15:42
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So the first thing is, if you don't know your student aid index, I would encourage you to go um to college ready plan dot info and I can meet with you for 30 minutes and I can guide you through that process.
00:15:57
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It is intimidating. It's a bit like doing like TurboTax. Where you're like, I don't know what they're really asking me, Shelly. So that would be the first thing. um If you are confident in your numbers, you can go to any school's website. I know we were talking, your daughter's considering University of Alabama. My daughter went there.
00:16:18
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We went on University Alabama's website on the financial aid page. It says, Learn your student aid index. Learn how much it's going to cost you to go to University of Alabama.
00:16:29
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It legally has to be on every college website in the U.S. It's mandated. So that's an option. Cost you nothing but your time.
00:16:40
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So you put in the information. Make sure that you put it in exactly what they're asking. And then it's going to pop up a number. And you're going to look at that and go, there is absolutely no way I can pay that. I have other children, i have other responsibilities. And then the the reality hits of now what?
00:16:57
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So you can either pick the most generous colleges to drive down the cost. You can get outside scholarships. Right. You can look at um right now there's a ten thousand dollar scholarship if you're a vegan.
00:17:10
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ah The Coca-Cola scholarships were $25,000 a year. That's when my son got. There are a lot of great scholarships, but don't chase the $50, the $100.
00:17:22
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It will burn them out. And it's really a bait and switch. They're just trying to get your information to refinance your house or sell you a new car. So just be really careful with that. But it really comes down to your college list.
00:17:37
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Your reach schools are going to be the dream. If they get in, don't think they're gonna get a lot of money, okay? Because it's a reach.
00:17:49
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The comfort, they should get a nice chunk of money. The safety, they should get a boatload of money. So it's mentally helping your family navigate what does that look like?
00:18:04
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Here's a perfect example. Your high school counselor has no idea how much your your family can or cannot afford. That's why so many families are in debt because they say, oh, you're good at math, go to MIT.
00:18:16
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Well, yay, they got in into MIT, but they didn't get a dime from MIT. So now they take on all these massive loans. Was that the best thing for that family?
00:18:27
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Depends if they want to go on and get their MBA or PhD or you know what I'm saying? Like, you have to look at the whole scope of what the return on investment is, not just get caught up in the emotion of roll tide.
00:18:45
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I love it. It's so true. And yeah, with multiple kids, right? It's like you get all excited probably with the first child. I know that's kind of where we're at right now. But then, you know, by the time you get to second or third or fourth, you're like, oh gosh, you know, um maybe we overdid it the first time around and then you scale back and then you maybe then you had to feel guilty. but leader I think it's great to have that strategy going into it. So that way you can kind of um plan for all multiple siblings or or whatever that might be.
00:19:10
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um And then as far as just child, kid feeling like they fit in You know, I know that that's part of like what the college visit is all about, like see the other kids. Do you see yourself here?
00:19:24
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But what do you say to a student if they're just not sure, like they they see it and they see like the stereotype? I think that's where a lot of like the social media is coming into play, where it creates a stereotype of the school.
00:19:38
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And if you have a child that's kind of like, you know, not too extreme in this direction or not too extreme in this direction, and they're like, well, but the school is this stereotype and this stereotype, and do I fit in? How do you navigate just like those emotions and having that child? Because the last thing I want personally is to, I'm never going to give my child any advice because I want it to be her decision.
00:20:00
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I can give like my opinion if she asks, but I'm never going tell her what to do because I know that someday, and I'll tell you a little side, side note, my sister, my younger sister, was really ah frustrated for a while with my mom for years because she wanted to go to a certain school. My mom thought it was too far away.
00:20:18
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she said, oh we won't see you unless it's holidays and then you'll have to fly. And so my sister didn't go there. And so she ended up being really upset for years and years and years. So I looked that lesson that I am not going to give my opinion. I'm just going to be there to support her.
00:20:33
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So that being said, and as the professional in the situation, how do you support or guide a student if they're just not sure where or how they fit in? So what we encourage students to do is to um get really clear on their top three to five priorities.
00:20:54
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Very important because it could be very overwhelming or ah an influential friend or family member could say something where they're like, okay, fine. Or no, I'm not going to do that now. And they just, they just even social media.
00:21:09
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So what I help them to do is we take them through what's called a college search and a college match. And what that means is, are they looking for a big school, a small school, East Coast, West Coast, public, private, large, small?
00:21:24
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Do they want to be in a biology class of 500 or of 12? That's different for everyone. They can say yes or no to that. And if they say, I don't know, then I, we because there are some students who do that, then I say, well, tell me what size your class right now is for biology. And they say, oh, 20.
00:21:44
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I love my teacher. Oh, my teacher loves me. We have lunch together. That tells me they need an intimate relationship with their professors. They're not going to like to be in a 500 auditorium and not ever meet their teacher, right?
00:22:03
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So we have conversations and we ask not where they can say yes or no, but it's this or that. Do you want public or private? Well, i don't know. Okay, let's talk about what private pros and cons and public pros and cons. Now what you, I absolutely we want this one.
00:22:21
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So I think we assume as parents that they know more than they know. Even if you've gone on college tours, remember those are sales tours.
00:22:33
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Let's get really clear. They're selling you on their college. So they're going to say every amazing thing that they can about their school. Well, that's confusing when a child goes from school to school to school. They're like, well, like that one.
00:22:49
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Of course they do. They've just been sold pitch, right? But what I encourage families to do is to go to look like four local schools, one private, one public, one big, one small.
00:23:03
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Do not take a college tour. Go around lunchtime or dinnertime and go eat in the commons. Eat at a lot ah one of the restaurants on campus and then look around.
00:23:18
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It is so amazing. If you just look around, they will know if they're people. If everybody's nose is in a computer and nobody's talking, that may be great for one student and not great for another student, right?
00:23:33
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And so think about... When we network as adults, we know when we walk in if there are people or if they're not our people and students do know that.
00:23:44
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And I'm not saying to go to the local school, but you will see that a private is a private is a private and a public's a public's a public. So you get a pretty darn good indicator. The other thing is just let them talk about what they learned on the college tour that they went on. did they were Are they just regurgitating what they learned, the pitch? Or they saying, you know, that dorm room was kind of like shabby.
00:24:13
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Like it was kind of smelly, kind of old. And you're like, ah oh, OK now. That's something as an adult, you might have not have picked up, you were talking to somebody, but if that means something, there's a so social cue there.
00:24:30
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They're concerned about living with multiple people sharing a dirty bathroom. Versus living in a suite, sharing a little kitchen, right? These are some of the things that are going to help your child make that adjustment.
Living Arrangements and Student Satisfaction
00:24:44
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University of Alabama, just to plug, my daughter did live a three-bedroom. They all had their own room with a kitchenette, and they're still all three best friends.
00:24:56
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Yeah. So you know what I'm saying? And where my son, he had a tiny little place at Harvard and I think they had six one bathroom for six guys and it was not pretty.
00:25:09
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So like when I visited, he's like, no, you can't go in there. So just keep in mind, parents, like your kids, they don't want to say anything in in worry that they're going you're going to disagree or that you're going have an opinion or so they're going to be a little guarded and they're going to be a little protective of how they do feel.
00:25:33
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So just kind of have those really side easy conversations about what was your favorite thing on that. visit, you know, and they say, oh, it's the waterfall in front. You're like, okie dokie.
00:25:48
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So just pick up you know, was it the the student, the professor, was it the subject? what What was the thing? And that'll give you a really good insight into what is a good fit for them.
00:26:03
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Yeah. and um Okay. Okay. Stephanie Falkers, more question about just the idea of ah after college and having a career, what if the career that a child chooses is not super lucrative and. Stephanie Falkers, You know it might not make good money ever but they're really passionate about this how like how do you steer, or how do you advise the students.
00:26:26
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So as a parent, please do not tell them, no, I'm not going to pay for it. I have students who dig in and say, fine, I'll do it on my own. And that just equals disaster every single time because they don't know how to do it on their own. And should they they have no assets for collateral to even get a student loan.
00:26:46
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So just know if you dig the line in the sand, I've seen it on so many calls, here's how I've learned to approach it over the years.
00:26:57
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And I had one of my own, so I can speak to it as a parent. um But one student, her parents called me before the before I talked to the daughter and they said, hey, you've got to talk her out of this. She wants to be um a botanist and we are not paying for botany and she's not going to and NYU. And so you've got to change your mind.
00:27:20
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And I said, well, that's not really my role, but what I will do is I'm going help her get clarity about why she wants to be a botanist and how much they make.
00:27:30
Speaker
Okay, that sounds great. So I got on the call and I got super excited when she said, I want to be a botanist. I'm like, that's awesome. So tell me, why do you want to be a botanist? And she goes, I want to save the environment.
00:27:44
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Oh, okay. So really you want to be an environmentalist and you think it's going to be by planting the plants. Interesting.
00:27:55
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So what if you own nurseries? You could like save the planet a lot. And she's like, wow. And all of a sudden that where she was dead set on being a botanist, now she's thinking,
00:28:09
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wait, I need to think bigger than just one plant at a time. And then we started just really growing and and blossoming. And I started sharing with her, what if you can really impact the environment by having a nonprofit and everybody who made a donation, you get to plant a tree. And I go, it could be your your passion, your hobby on top of a career.
00:28:36
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Because do you ever want to buy a new car? Do you ever wanna move out of your parents' home? Do you ever wanna buy new clothes? Because this is what a botanist is going to make. And as long as you are okay with all of that,
00:28:54
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That's great. She's like, no, I love clothes. How do I get more clothes? And all of a sudden we were having a totally different discussion and it was all about honoring.
00:29:06
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What is it about what you want do that gets you excited? And that's all it was. And I do that time and time again with students because they honestly don't know what's, many adults don't know what's coming in the next year or two with AI.
00:29:26
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So we have to be cautious. you Right now, the number one most unemployed major psychology. And it's a great major and everybody loves it, but there's no job called psychology.
00:29:38
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So kids are graduating from college and they're looking for a psychology job and they don't wanna go to school anymore. And now they're in that position of, I wish I would have planned better.
00:29:50
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So helping your child see beyond college is so critical. Also, if your student transfers from one college to another, you can add $100,000 bottom line.
Transferring Colleges and Planning Risks
00:30:03
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ah really and all new friends and the emotion and all of that that goes along with it. Not every class will transfer to the new school. And therefore, you're going to have to take more classes and it's going to take longer.
00:30:19
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So the best thing I can help you parents, i have a I have two bestselling books. One is How to Send Your Student to College Without Losing Your Mind or Your Money. And the second one is The College Admissions Plan Simplified.
00:30:33
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They're on Amazon right now for your listeners for 99 cents. I wanted to make it available for everyone. Please know planning is going to save you so much time, so much money and so much emotion.
00:30:49
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We want our kids to come home when they graduate from college, right? We want them here for the holidays. If this doesn't turn out well, it's not going to be pretty kind of like what happened to your your sister and your mom, I'm guessing.
00:31:02
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Yeah. And that's been, that went on for a long, long time. So yes, yes, I see exactly what you're saying. Like it has to align not only for the short term, but the long term kind of all the things. So the planning is the, is the key to kind of getting it right.
00:31:16
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Or not that there's a perfect, but like as, but as good as possible um it as far as what, what everybody needs and wants. Right. So um all right. So Sherry, how can people find you going forward?
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So it's okay.
Contact Information and Free Strategy Call
00:31:31
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The best way to reach me, um well, actually for your listeners, I'm giving out a 30 minute strategy call and they just go to college ready plan.info.
00:31:41
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And in there, well, they can get on my calendar and we can talk about their their questions or their concerns. um And other than that, the book is on Amazon, books are on Amazon and the website is college ready plan.com.
00:31:56
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Well, I'm sure people will check you out. We'll put the yeah URL in the show notes. So thank you so much, Shelley. We appreciate the information was just so helpful. I hope that everybody, I'm sure everybody got something out of today.
00:32:06
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And again, we look forward to having you come back. My pleasure. Thank you so much.