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Overcoming Performance Anxiety | The Positively Healthy Mom with with Heather Sumlin
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Everyday Courage: Helping Teens Handle Nerves, Pressure & Comparison | With Mental Coach Heather Sumlin
Your teen doesn’t have to be on a big stage to feel big pressure. Asking someone to homecoming, speaking in class, applying for a first job, trying out for a team or pageant – these “everyday performances” can feel huge for them.
In this episode of The Positively Healthy Mom Podcast, host Laura Olinger (teen and parent wellbeing coach and founder of Positively Healthy Coaching) talks with Heather Sumlin, mental management coach and owner of Sumlin Solutions, about how to help teens manage nerves, build confidence, and thrive under pressure in school, sports, pageantry, performing arts, and life.
Together they explore:
✨ What the Mental Management System is and how it was born from Heather’s Olympic champion father
🧠 How self-image is formed and why it matters more than you think
🎤 Practical tools for handling nerves before a speech, tryout, date, or job interview
🙋♀️ How to shift from “What if I mess up?” to “What if this goes well?”
📱 How comparison (especially on social media) quietly erodes confidence
🏅 Why a parent’s main job is to build self-image, not just chase achievements
🤝 How to match your teen’s level of passion instead of pushing harder than they do
Whether your teen is an athlete, a performer, in pageantry, or just trying to navigate everyday teen life, this conversation will give you language, tools, and mindset shifts you can start using with them right away.
👤 About Our Guest: Heather Sumlin
Heather Sumlin is a long-time mental management coach and owner of Sumlin Solutions. After nearly 20 years working alongside her father, an Olympic champion and creator of the Mental Management System, Heather now specializes in helping women and teen girls in subjectively judged sports and performance arenas (like pageantry, cheer, dog sports, public speaking, and more) learn how to control their minds under pressure.
She works with:
- Teen & college athletes
- Pageant contestants
- Performers & competitors
- Parents who want to better support their kids’ mental game
Heather also hosts the podcast “She Wins – Solutions and Stories for Women”, where she shares tools, stories, and strategies to help women win in sport, performance, and life.
🔗 Connect with Heather
🌐 Website: https://www.heathersumlin.com/
📸 Instagram: @heathersumlin
📘 Facebook: Heather Sumlin Mental Coach
▶️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SumlinSolutionsStories
✨ Heather offers a free 20-minute evaluation call through her website for women and parents who want to learn more about working together.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the Positively Healthy Mom podcast, where positive parenting meets well-being.
00:00:10
Speaker
Hello and welcome to today's episode of the Positively Healthy Mom. I'm your host, Laura Olinger, teen and parent well-being coach and founder of Positively Healthy Coaching. And today I'm so excited to introduce you to a friend that I've kind of gotten to know over the past month, Heather Sumlin of Sumlin Solutions. And so Heather, tell us a little bit about, you know, where you're coming from, who you are.
Mental Management Coaching Experience
00:00:35
Speaker
I'm Heather, as you said, I have been a mental management coach for about almost 20 years. My father is an Olympic champion and he created the mental management system as he was preparing for the Olympic games back in the early seventies.
00:00:52
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And he's been teaching it to people across the globe ever since. ah Well, ever since he won the Olympics with it. And I came on board working with him back in the early 2000s, worked with him for about 19 years. And then I started my own company in 2023, Sumlin Solutions, teaching primarily women in subjective graded sports and outlets or competitive outlets, how to control their mind under pressure for competition.
00:01:19
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ah work with a lot of teenagers. I work with a lot of parents and helping them be able to just take the mental management system and apply it. to whatever it is that they're doing in life. I love that. I love that. And I know you do have a focus on pageantry and athletes and also the dog trainers. So it's kind of like really what you teach applies to any type of a performance or and i kind of like anxiety inducing situation where you have to be kind of at your best.
Teen Anxiety and Mental Rehearsal Techniques
00:01:48
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So the reason why i thought today would be so fun is because Teenagers are often in these types of situations, maybe not on a big stage or on a big field, but kind of just everyday life. And so here's my first example.
00:02:04
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The other day, my son was asking ah date to homecoming. He's a freshman in high school. And so I'm sure you've seen it on Instagram. The way it works is they all make a little poster and they go out to the door and write.
00:02:17
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And, you know, this is just, it's a friend of his. It's a girl. They've known each other for a long time. it, But he felt so worried. He was nervous. And he he's like, oh, my gosh. And and I just said, my only advice was, buddy, just do it quick. like i'm like the The longer we kind of allow it to perpetuate. And she lives in our neighborhood. So we just drove over there.
00:02:38
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and I'm like, OK, you could do it. I was like, I wish I had some better you know tips at the time. And I thought, oh, I'll ask Heather when I talk to her. So how would what you teach apply to, like and I don't call that an everyday situation, but like something like that?
00:02:53
Speaker
So it's probably no different than if we're preparing to take a test or we're preparing to compete in any sort of competition. There's that preparation right before that we can do something mentally in order to have a better result. Hopefully he can't control whether or not she says yes. He can't control how she responds, but he can control how he thinks about it.
00:03:16
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ahead of time. So a couple of quick things I would say is mental rehearsal is really helpful. So if he mentally rehearsed how he would like for it to go what does he want to say? Where does he want to stand? How does he want to act and behave? He can even mentally rehearse that she says yes, and she's happy about it. And it goes well, that calms the nerves a little bit. And then also allows the self image to receive a positive imprint.
00:03:40
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So our self-image is growing and shrinking based on what the imprints we give it, what we think about, what we talk about, what we write about, what happens around us, what happens to us, all impacts our self-image positively or negatively, depending on the quality of the imprints we give it.
00:03:55
Speaker
And so if he's deciding in advance, I'm going to believe this is going to go well, self-image is like, it is like you to get a date to homecoming. It's going to be better than if he's thinking, wow, this is going to go poorly.
00:04:07
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then he's more likely to stumble over his words, have a negative experience, whether she has says yes or not. those would be a couple of quick things. Also, if he's super nervous, yawning tends to lower your energy level. So if you're really stressed out, you can always yawn and it kind of naturally calms you.
00:04:26
Speaker
ums The nervous system. Oh, okay. So those are some great tips. And how do you, so, okay, I'm imagining that like, maybe I'm telling him some of these things, like imagining it going well, imagine how you're going to do everything.
00:04:41
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what do you do when you have a teenager who is just so fearful? For example, you know, we all know the big, one of the big, the biggest fear I think of humans is public speaking. And I know you coach, that's kind of one of your, your and main niches that you focus on. And so when you have your pageantry girls that have to answer those questions, how do you coach them on speaking and sounding calm and competent and all those things?
Overcoming Fear and Building Confidence
00:05:07
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Well, action cures fear. So you want to make sure you're practicing and you're getting the reps in especially if it's something that you have to do in front of an audience of people. so making sure that you know the material that you're going to be delivering, making sure you put yourself in stress-filled situations so that you can practice how you're going to handle that.
00:05:27
Speaker
I also think um when it comes to, you mentioned, on stage question, basically that phase of competition and pageantry. In on stage question, the thing that people are probably most afraid of is what is the question? i don't know what they're going to ask me.
00:05:43
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But I think if you know who you are and you know why you're there, you have a better chance of feeling more at home and comfortable in the environment. And so I think knowing why am I here? What is my purpose? Why am I doing this?
00:05:58
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And if you know who you are and why you're present, It lessens the need to be perfect or have to sell yourself too much. And also, I guess one other question that they could ask themselves is, what am I really afraid of?
00:06:12
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What do I think is going to happen? What is the worst case scenario that could possibly happen? And most of the time, it's really not that big of a deal.
00:06:23
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And when they start really walking it back, they start to realize, well, maybe I don't need to be super scared. The other thing I would say is to internalize their nerves maybe differently.
00:06:33
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Maybe they're afraid of how they feel. Maybe they're afraid of their tummies turning or their palms are sweating or their heart is racing. And they're internalizing that as negative. But what if instead of feeling those feelings and thinking they're bad, what if we feel those feelings and we think, wait, this is because I'm going to go do something that's important.
00:06:52
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Yeah. Maybe that makes those feelings actually good or neutral even. Instead of automatically assuming and putting a bad negative label on how I feel, what if I invite those feelings in instead of fighting them away?
00:07:07
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Maybe we won't get overwhelming. Yes, I love that. Those are all such great tips. So it made me um think of a client that I have who is currently trying to get a job. She's a freshman in college and she's had a job before in high school in the summer, but she's on her college campus and there's some little like boutique shops in the town where she's in and she's worried about going to ask for an application or if they're hiring because she says in the past, sometimes what they'll say is, oh, have you filled out our online application? And then she feels stupid.
00:07:40
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and um And so we kind of rehearse this, like, well, what's the worst that can happen if you just go into a coffee shop or go into one of these boutiques and say, are you hiring? And I said, it can be simple. It's like all you have to ask is like one question.
00:07:54
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Like, what is the worst that can happen if you ask that one question? when she thought about it that way, it was actually really helpful because she's like, oh yeah, I guess you're right. I'm like, the worst that can happen is they just say, no, we're not hiring, right? Because she has it in her mind that they're going to think she's dumb. So she's kind of um putting so much emphasis on things that A, she can't control. She doesn't know if they think,
00:08:16
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And B, that A, most most likely will not happen, but C, it's such an outward um focus. And I like what you said about for the pageantry girls, like really thinking about who they are as a person. And that applies to the story I told you about when I had the trouble public speaking when I was in high school running for class president.
00:08:38
Speaker
So remember that whole story and I'm not going to share it today because, um you know, that's part of my whole decider speech that I'm going to be giving on stages at schools and um speaking with groups and and things like that. But I just want to give the idea that I've experienced that as well. And so I wonder how that would have worked for me back then.
00:08:55
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If, for example, I just kind of focused more internally and then same for my client, like if she just focused more internally about what she would bring to this boutique or this coffee shop and how, like what her skills and her talents and not even that, but she's just a cute, bubbly, happy person. Like she'd be so good at customer service or working with clients in a coffee shop or, you know, customers in a coffee shop or in a boutique.
00:09:18
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One thing that comes to mind about your client is, okay, so let's say they said, oh, did you apply online? No, not yet. I wanted to meet you in person first. What's the worst thing that could happen?
00:09:31
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they are going to know you're confident enough to walk in and ask physically for an application. Anybody can go online and fill out a form. But a lot of girls, especially if you're talking a freshman in college, there's a lot of fear just walking in the store and asking a question. Most of them can't even make a phone call.
00:09:49
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And so if she's able to walk up, ask for an application or ask if they're hiring, she already has a leg up on the ones who did only the online application.
00:10:00
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Because what if the hiring manager is the one that she's asking? Yeah. There's a possibility, possibility that there's a positive first impression yeah right off the bat.
00:10:16
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And then she can say, my name is, I'll be applying online here shortly. So I hope to hear from you. When I planted that seed that this is who I am, this is why I'm in here.
00:10:31
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I wanted to introduce myself in person. So then you're taking control over why you're there. As opposed to, ah i feel dumb because I didn't know there was an online application. Oh, no, I'm empowered. I wanted you to know who I was.
00:10:45
Speaker
Hmm, there's such a difference there. i can totally feel those two different ways of showing up. Yeah. So I like the idea of where she's in control. She's in charge. She's saying, no, sorry, I wanted to meet you first. I wanted to check it out before I just blindly.
00:11:01
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Yeah, like you're saying, because you anybody can fill out an online application, but right, very few are have the confidence to go in and make that face-to-face introduction for the first time. And if you think about it, you're applying for the job. And so they should be interviewing you, but you're kind of interviewing them too, right? Yeah. it's You get to choose whether or not you work there.
00:11:22
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Yeah, yeah. And I think oftentimes we look at it from a, oh, I'm the one who's a little bit inferior. i am the one who is a little lower, you know, instead of, wait, I'm taking ownership of my future by choosing where I would like to work.
Job Applications and Confidence Building
00:11:39
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Obviously, they have to have a position open. Obviously, they have to offer that to you. hmm.
00:11:45
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but you're applying for a position. see what I'm saying? Yeah. Let's just take it back a step and walk in confidently and securely.
00:11:56
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You need a job. If they need to hire someone, they're more likely to like you if they see you as confident, secure, and comfortable in your own skin. Yes, yes. Especially in a customer service type industry where that's the main part of the job is you know having the confidence to talk to the customers that come in.
00:12:13
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Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So how would you apply those kind of mental management tools to, for example, the, again, the height, like let's let's use me as the example, you know, the audition or the, and excuse me, campaign speech, I'm running for a class president.
00:12:30
Speaker
So in that situation, the the audience are are the peers, right? Like it's kind of different. I feel like it's like a different energy when it's like, oh, this it could be my future boss. And then versus like your peers, because teenagers like that number one fear is that fear of judgment from their peers. So how can what kind of tips or tools would you give the teenagers her in that type of a situation?
00:12:53
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I think the first thing is going back to, again, your why. Why am I doing this? Why does this matter to me? The other thing that I would say is you have to have the confidence to walk into the room. So you better know why you're walking in there and what you have to offer. and So if we go back in time to the situation that you were in and you were to write out all of the reasons why you think you would make a great president.
00:13:16
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And then you would look at what are all of the things that maybe my peers are looking for in a president? Which ones match me? Mm-hmm. Someone's going to become president. Why not you? Yeah.
00:13:29
Speaker
Instead of asking, well, why me? Ask why not me? I love that question. I love that. i could Why shouldn't it be you? It's going to be someone. Also, how does delivering the speech in front of my student body help me long-term?
00:13:47
Speaker
Could it be that something that you say resonates with someone in one of the seats that you haven't met before that could become a friend? It could be that something that you say resonates with a teacher who has, i don't know, a connection with a potential college. Who knows? You never know who, don't know who knows who. Right.
00:14:05
Speaker
It could be that it helps you build confidence and skills to be able to articulate yourself in front of a large group of people, especially peers, which is way more intimidating than strangers, but that will help you in whatever is next for you. Because in college, you're probably going to have to do that as well.
00:14:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah So instead of looking at what are all the possible things that could go wrong, it's what could go right. Whether I win or not, whether I become the next president or not, what could i go right from this?
00:14:33
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What could be beneficial from this? You're building a resume, you're building connections, you're potentially having new opportunities. The fact that teenagers tend to automatically think about all of the things that could go wrong is something that we want to reverse.
00:14:51
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How about we look for all the opportunities instead of seeing everything in front of us as obstacles? Yes, yes, that's so great. And just for the listeners, by the way, I did win for president since you don't know the whole story. But but um I think of it because this is when I talk to my own kids. You know, I'm the mom of four teenagers and i was talking to my son, my other son.
00:15:14
Speaker
And he was just saying how you know he gets nervous giving a class present like a presentation in front of class, which they have to do all the time. Like in classes, they're always speaking in front of each other. And I have another client that goes to a school where it's um all discussion-based, where they have to sit at a round table.
00:15:31
Speaker
That's how all their classes are conducted. conducted And so she's always nervous about it. And if she knows the answer, and if she's prepared, and if the teacher is going to think this. And so it's weird because I'm not weird, but like I'm noticing all the patterns now.
00:15:43
Speaker
that all of this is focused on the outward other people. It's not focused on self. So everything you're saying makes so much sense. Like that's how you feel empowered because you're putting all the energy back into yourself.
00:15:57
Speaker
What could go well? You know, why, why am I here? What is my purpose? How could this help me? How could this help me long-term? Like it's such a different way of thinking. So I love that. I love that.
00:16:09
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do like It's really fun. My Zoom messed up on me. Okay. Yeah. I could tell something was happening. um I got it. I got it. Oh, great. Okay. You're good. Yeah. I was like seeing my brother tried to call me and then it just messed everything up.
00:16:23
Speaker
Okay. No worries. We're back. We're here. um And so how, what other tips can we, you know, cause the audience that's listening are the moms, but these moms are going to be sharing these tips with their teenagers. So is there anything else that we can think of that would, because I know you coach the parents as well.
00:16:40
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And so how do you support parents in your work and and how can that translate to the listeners today?
Parenting for Positive Self-Image
00:16:49
Speaker
The main job of a parent is to build the self-image of their kids. It's one of our main roles. We may not be taught that. We may not be equipped to do it, but it's something that's so important for us to do.
00:17:02
Speaker
And so when we think about how the self-image grows and shrinks, it's what we think about, talk about, write about, but it's also those environmental influences, which is mom and dad. And what do we tell our kids in order to help them build their self-image or view themselves in a different way?
00:17:18
Speaker
I say praise the character. So if if you see your child that has a really great character or they're making really wise decisions, Praise that over the accomplishment.
00:17:29
Speaker
Yes. Oftentimes we are praised for accomplishment because we can measure it really well, right? You either became class president or you did not. Right. You get the grade or you don't. You're top 10% or you're not. You're on the team or you're not. And oftentimes it's really easy to praise the accomplishment and to put a lot of value on the accomplishment.
00:17:51
Speaker
But I think it's more important to praise the effort. Mm-hmm. matter the outcome to make sure that your child knows that you are their number one support person. mean, don't praise them for nothing. If they did nothing, we need to not praise.
00:18:06
Speaker
Okay. But oftentimes they're going for an opportunity. And if they have a chance to know how much their effort matters to you, who so matter the outcome, they're more likely to continue to go and do another competition in the future.
00:18:23
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's one thing I would say. um Also match their effort. So if you have a child, one of the things my my father wrote a book called Parenting Champions.
00:18:34
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And in it, he talks about matching the participation level. So we have three different participation levels. You're either training to learn. So you're new at the sport.
00:18:45
Speaker
It's new to you or the activity. You're training to win where you're training to compete. So training to compete is in the middle, then there's training to win. And depending on how much effort you're putting in determines really which level you're in. Okay. Well, if you have a child who is training to win, like they care, they're passionate, they're driven, and you're just kind of like interested, you're not matching your kid's dedication. Mm-hmm.
00:19:10
Speaker
And therefore that can be discouraging. Mm-hmm. the worst, the opposite is worse, right? When someone has a child who's just kind of interested, they kind of like it, they don't really care about it, but mom is like so excited about it and thinks they're going to be amazing.
00:19:27
Speaker
Yeah. Watch Dance Moms, you've probably seen it. Oh, yeah. yeah And so you're not in line with what your child's actual effort is, and there's nothing wrong with a kid who's just interested in doing an activity,
00:19:43
Speaker
But there's something wrong when mom mom or dad are talking about these huge goals. Just because child has the capability doesn't mean they have the passion. You have to have the passion to excel. And so those are a couple of things that I would say.
00:19:58
Speaker
I like that. That's something I talk about too. Like you can't want something more than your child wants it and same as a coach. So I can't want something more than my client wants it.
00:20:09
Speaker
So if I'm, because then it's like, um it's almost like I I'm doing the work and I'm pulling the teeth and I'm asking the questions just to like force them to give the right answer.
00:20:20
Speaker
But if they're not truly interested in doing that thing, then it's just like, A, it's a waste of everybody's time, but it's just kind of discouraging to both parties because it doesn't feel connecting. It's like and this disconnecting energy.
00:20:31
Speaker
So yeah, I agree with kind of like letting the child lead as far as showing their level of what you're saying, kind of passion about whatever the activity is. And then I like what you're saying about the parents matching them where they are.
00:20:44
Speaker
That's really, that's really great. um Okay, so what else do have for us? I mean, I know you're full of like a million things just to kind of like wrap up with what you know, this whole concept of is just supporting our kids who are competing or in high stress situations, or even in the everyday situations.
00:21:02
Speaker
I love what you're saying about building that self image in a positive way. Is there anything else that you can kind of round out the conversation with?
Dealing with Comparison in Teenagers
00:21:10
Speaker
One of the biggest challenges that I think that teenagers face is comparison and what happens to them when they're faced with comparison.
00:21:17
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but When we were growing up, at least when I was growing up there, I didn't have a computer in my pocket that I took around with me everywhere. I didn't have a way to compare myself to other people unless I was in front of them pretty much.
00:21:29
Speaker
And now comparison is everywhere. And I think there's one form of comparison that's actually valuable. And that's when you compare yourself to somebody who already is where you want to go. and you utilize that as motivation to get there yourself. That's valuable.
00:21:43
Speaker
So follow people on social media that already have the skills, the qualities, and the things that you want in life. And then learn from them and be inspired by them.
00:21:55
Speaker
But don't compare yourself to people that are maybe your peers in school and count yourself out because of maybe what you believe their life may be like.
00:22:08
Speaker
When you only get to see the highlight reel or you only get to see a smidgen. And so one of the things that I've noticed in pageantry is one of my primary markets, as you said, and comparison is very, very likely there.
00:22:20
Speaker
But it pulls us out of balance. We want to be balanced. do You want your thoughts controlled by you. You want your skills built through deliberate practice and training for whatever the event is. And you want your self-image to be built in such a way that you believe in the ability that you've.
00:22:35
Speaker
created, right? So in order to be balanced, we need those things to be true. Our thoughts are controlled. Our skills are built in our self images both as well. What pulls us out of balance is whenever our thoughts are on something else, we're distracted and our self image is not in line with our skill level, or we don't have the habits and attitudes of someone who can succeed in this environment.
00:22:59
Speaker
In pulls both of those mental processes out of balance. Our thoughts are not on what we need them to be because they're on someone else and something where we are deficient in some way because of what somebody else has or what someone else is doing.
00:23:15
Speaker
And then our self-image takes a hit because any thought we have that's derogatory to ourselves, it's going to decrease our self-image. And therefore we can't even access our skill because we don't believe in ourselves.
00:23:28
Speaker
And so it's very important, I think, that parents understand that comparison is robbing their children of being able to access their full potential. And so don't help them with the comparison.
00:23:41
Speaker
don't bring up the the girl that your daughter thinks is her biggest competitor or her friend to me. Maybe we don't talk about her. Don't bring up, oh, so-and-so on the such-and-such team is putting in way more effort than you are, Johnny.
00:23:57
Speaker
No. Yeah. Like, let's focus on what are the positives in our kids? What are the things that they're doing well? And really feed into the successes and let them see that they're successful.
00:24:12
Speaker
Because right now, a lot of kids don't see themselves as successful, even if they get the grades, even if they get the opportunities on the field, they don't see themselves as successful internally because they're too busy comparing themselves to other people who in their minds have more As parents, we can open their minds up to the things that they are doing well.
00:24:32
Speaker
Something I wish I would have done more of with my kids when they were growing up. here Man, that's so powerful. Like literally everything you just said was so powerful. So would you coach when you're coaching a teenager? Yeah.
00:24:45
Speaker
if they catch themselves comparing? Cause I think it would happen no matter what, right? Like, it's just this kind of automatic thing that we do. How do you help them? Like you just said, refocus or kind of bring the focus back to what needs to be focused on? Like, is that all it takes? Like just you catch yourself, you stop, you redirect or how do do you have a process for that?
00:25:04
Speaker
Some cases that might be all it is, but in some cases they're going to mute their friends online. Like ah in some cases, they're just not going to follow the people that pull their focus, they might not completely unfriend them or unfollow them. They might mute them or just choose to follow people who inspire them, who motivate them and or just not get on social media so much. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:30
Speaker
but Screen time is actually valuable. ah The other thing that I would do is remember ah to qualify sometimes. So maybe if someone else, Let's say in sport, my daughter was a competitive cheerleader.
00:25:43
Speaker
And so I'll use this as an example. If there was someone else on her team who had really great tumbling skills, it could be, wow, she's an incredible tumbler. Well, me too. Or I'm getting there instead of automatically discounting, wow, she's better than me Right.
00:25:58
Speaker
Your self-image doesn't know the difference between you and everybody else. So you can praise and compliment other people all day long. It doesn't hurt your self-image. What hurts your self-image is when you then say, wow, they're amazing. I'm not.
00:26:11
Speaker
Yes. So you've got to just stop stop yourself from completing that sentence into a negative direction. here And you can praise other people all the time. In fact, compliment people.
00:26:24
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it would Receive compliments from people. Enjoy that side of life. But just don't let it go so far as to say they are better than me. They're more important than me. They're more valuable than me.
00:26:36
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When we're all equally important and valuable. Right. They may have better skill. That's fair and that's fine. But that doesn't mean that you don't have something to offer. Mm-hmm.
00:26:47
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Yes. Okay. That's perfect.
Contact Information and Conclusion
00:26:49
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So how can people find you and follow you after our conversation today? I'm on Instagram. It's just my name, Heather Sumlin. And then i have a website. It's also heathersumlin.com.
00:27:00
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So those are some easy ways to find me. i have a podcast called She Wins in which you will be on shortly. She Wins Solutions and Stories for Women, which you can find on YouTube or any podcast channel.
00:27:12
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And those are the main ways to find me. And I do offer a free 20-minute evaluation call if somebody wants to just kind of learn a little bit more and talk to me individually. I do offer that on my website.
00:27:23
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That's fantastic. Well, this has been amazing. I've appreciated our time today and taking your expertise and applying it to kind of my neck of the woods in my world with ah teenagers and their moms and just kind of everyday life situations. So thank you so much. I appreciate it.
00:27:37
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You're welcome.